Anyone find out today at Rayleigh angling direct what project x from omc was
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Would love to know myself. Got a feeling it's a spring loaded lead arrangement, I know that sounds daft but ive seen a few people suspect this too
Would love to know myself. Got a feeling it's a spring loaded lead arrangement, I know that sounds daft but ive seen a few people suspect this too
if hamidi is involved it will be over hyped ***** that carp fishing should never have been without.
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Do you have any evidence to back this up
Do you have any evidence to back this up
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After seeing him crying his eyes out on social media over it it better be pretty revolutionary
After seeing him crying his eyes out on social media over it it better be pretty revolutionary
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Apparently puts100% of all fish on the bank (seriously)
Apparently puts100% of all fish on the bank (seriously)
It's a braided hook link material with a slightly different brown hue - apparently it was carefully selected from the Dulux colour range.
Apparently it's a revolutionary method of presenting a bait to carp but off the hook, via a “hair” which is attached to the hook, with the bait fixed on with a needle and a “stop” to keep it in place on the “hair”. Ali is going to call it the “hair rig” and it will be a game changer.
You heard it here first
You heard it here first
It could be a type of bait ingredient which contains carefully programmed nano-robots. Upon ingestion, the nanobots attach to the host and re-program the hosts neurons to snaffle any complimentary boilie indiscriminately. The range of boilie detection is approximately 200 miles via ultra-sonic electromagnetic waves. The signal is so strong that carp that have been re-programmed have attempted to fly - much to the dismay of the Environmental Agency. Furthermore, for a small fee you can have a software-laced additive added to the ingredient which cause the carp to simply swim towards a signal dispersed from the spreader block of the new OMC Products "The Wavelength" landing net. Simply put, the carp will swim right into your net, thus saving you money on rods and reels etc. I could be wrong though.
The Peeps that have had a sneak peak have probably been sworn to secrecy on pain of having to sit through Ali tv show on constant loop. Pain worse than death surely. 
But has already been mentioned its probably some sort of sprung loaded lead hooklenght arrangement that's triggered when a fish picks up the bait.. but who knows.. Its got us talking about it. So Ali marketing know how is doing it's thing. Could be the edge in Angling that we've all been waiting four
But has already been mentioned its probably some sort of sprung loaded lead hooklenght arrangement that's triggered when a fish picks up the bait.. but who knows.. Its got us talking about it. So Ali marketing know how is doing it's thing. Could be the edge in Angling that we've all been waiting four
If it is some sort of lead clip arrangement that gives a bungee/retracting hooklink effect I don't think it's a terrible idea. Not ground breaking but the existing solutions I've seen have flaws. The Nash material can do weird stuff as it gets wet and coil up. The Renyard method with pole elastic is a bit of a faff and you can't drop the lead. Sometimes it helps if you can or the rules dictate you must.
I'm more interested in the Jason Hayward idea. Apparently this is now with Korda. He comes across as a more straightforward bloke and genuinely seems excited.
I'm more interested in the Jason Hayward idea. Apparently this is now with Korda. He comes across as a more straightforward bloke and genuinely seems excited.
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I remember seeing a spring loaded inline lead arrangement many years ago in Carpworld. Can't remember much about it other than it being slated with regards to fish safety. Anyone else remember it?
I remember seeing a spring loaded inline lead arrangement many years ago in Carpworld. Can't remember much about it other than it being slated with regards to fish safety. Anyone else remember it?
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What is the Jason Hayward idea prey tell?
What is the Jason Hayward idea prey tell?
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I remember this being in carpworld. Can't remember for the life of me what it was called though. I sort of remember the advert as well. Even then the idea wasn't new, pretty sure there was a spring loaded device that worked in a similar vein developed in the 60's. I'm sure someone will know what it was!
I remember this being in carpworld. Can't remember for the life of me what it was called though. I sort of remember the advert as well. Even then the idea wasn't new, pretty sure there was a spring loaded device that worked in a similar vein developed in the 60's. I'm sure someone will know what it was!
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He hasn't said
But apparently it's going to change angling as we know it
Was mentioned on hi Korda podcast
He hasn't said
But apparently it's going to change angling as we know it
Was mentioned on hi Korda podcast
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Yea, he's tight lipped but very enthusiastic about it. No idea what it is.
Yea, he's tight lipped but very enthusiastic about it. No idea what it is.
Pete Castle had something he said would change carp fishing forever too? Not sure what ever cane of that, I unfollowed him online as he kept bleeting on about people stealing his "inventions"
.looking forward to seeing what the OMC thing is, my bet is its Kicker that looks like an earthworm. Game changer.
.looking forward to seeing what the OMC thing is, my bet is its Kicker that looks like an earthworm. Game changer.
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my bet is its Kicker that looks like an earthworm. Game changer
Oi, I use red crimp covers for that reason, I've just registered the idea so no-one can copy it.
Wasn't it Carp-R-Us who made the original bloodworm aligners, followed by Enterprise?
my bet is its Kicker that looks like an earthworm. Game changer
Oi, I use red crimp covers for that reason, I've just registered the idea so no-one can copy it.
Wasn't it Carp-R-Us who made the original bloodworm aligners, followed by Enterprise?
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seems like he enemy no1 this Ali bloke....
seems like he enemy no1 this Ali bloke....
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Well he does seem like he's on a one man war path to single handedly destroy everything we love about carp fishing. But other than that, I don't know why people dislike him.
Well he does seem like he's on a one man war path to single handedly destroy everything we love about carp fishing. But other than that, I don't know why people dislike him.
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Said it on another thread, but I reckon it's à bit of plastic that makes it easier to tie up the extended d-rig Roger Bacon uses.
Said it on another thread, but I reckon it's à bit of plastic that makes it easier to tie up the extended d-rig Roger Bacon uses.
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seems like he enemy no1 this Ali bloke
Well I think as a bloke he probably is a very NICE man ? its just he has a very irritating over acting annoying manner and needs to calm down
if he took it down a few notches and stopped the vomit inducing kiss me on the lips and all that spew on the TV series he thought maybe it was funny ??
I have a few gay m8s so Im certainly NOT homophobic but I just wanted to punch him in the lips lol
so he has now got himself an army of haters and its his own making
I do genuinely wish him luck in his new business venture and hope he comes up with some winners and makes it a success
seems like he enemy no1 this Ali bloke
Well I think as a bloke he probably is a very NICE man ? its just he has a very irritating over acting annoying manner and needs to calm down
if he took it down a few notches and stopped the vomit inducing kiss me on the lips and all that spew on the TV series he thought maybe it was funny ??
I have a few gay m8s so Im certainly NOT homophobic but I just wanted to punch him in the lips lol
so he has now got himself an army of haters and its his own making
I do genuinely wish him luck in his new business venture and hope he comes up with some winners and makes it a success
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He's not everyone's cup of tea and I doubt he cares, but as you've said, if he can release some quality bits and genuine innovation then we should all welcome it
He's not everyone's cup of tea and I doubt he cares, but as you've said, if he can release some quality bits and genuine innovation then we should all welcome it
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Not exactly set the world alight so far. Had a look on their website and once I got past the marketing ploy of the ex footballer, it's got a few gimmicks that'll you see on day tickets and some Enterprise knock offs.
I'll always credit the Korda lot for the increase in complete cretins on the bank thanks to them bringing our strange little obsession to the masses. ****ing bored of picking up "anglers" rubbish up on a monday evening.
Not exactly set the world alight so far. Had a look on their website and once I got past the marketing ploy of the ex footballer, it's got a few gimmicks that'll you see on day tickets and some Enterprise knock offs.
I'll always credit the Korda lot for the increase in complete cretins on the bank thanks to them bringing our strange little obsession to the masses. ****ing bored of picking up "anglers" rubbish up on a monday evening.
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Unless he slags off the Solar Brolly...
Unless he slags off the Solar Brolly...
Pause the new omc chods away video on you tube at 1:14 you'll see it there
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Yes good spot
Yes good spot
In reply to Post #26
Yeah for sure, doesn't look like anything on the market currently so it's most likely that.
Yeah for sure, doesn't look like anything on the market currently so it's most likely that.
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Looks like the arm along the top holds in the ridge and I guess tension from the hook side releases that and the cartridge shoots back towards the lead
Looks like the arm along the top holds in the ridge and I guess tension from the hook side releases that and the cartridge shoots back towards the lead
just use a drone to drop it in from as well lol
he hasn't even designed it himself, like everything else,he's just the marketing guy like he was at korda with the privilege of sticking his company's name on it that's funded by some high street fashion designer
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Have you seen how many companies that guy from ted baker owns lol
Have you seen how many companies that guy from ted baker owns lol
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Authentic Brands Group own Ted Baker don't they and about 50 other companies
Authentic Brands Group own Ted Baker don't they and about 50 other companies
In reply to Post #32
Fair play to Ali. Secured a million in investment and he's trying his best. It will either succeed or it won't. Simple as that. Cash burn is the enemy but if he can ride it out then the riches could be significant.
Fair play to Ali. Secured a million in investment and he's trying his best. It will either succeed or it won't. Simple as that. Cash burn is the enemy but if he can ride it out then the riches could be significant.
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Has he slept with your wife?
Has he slept with your wife?
If OMC, or any company for that matter, release a gadget that 'recoils' to set the hook I predict that just about every decent fishery in the land will ban them straight away.
Thanks to Dave (Baitman on here) many, many fishery owners are in daily contact nowadays and I can guarantee that such a product would be discussed.
To be clear things like Nash Triggalink and Steve Renyards rig just add in elasticity, they don't snatch back to set the hook.
Thanks to Dave (Baitman on here) many, many fishery owners are in daily contact nowadays and I can guarantee that such a product would be discussed.
To be clear things like Nash Triggalink and Steve Renyards rig just add in elasticity, they don't snatch back to set the hook.
In reply to Post #36
Possibly could not be spring loaded but on a lever system instead... looking at the picture from that youtube video it appears the lead sits above actual plastic clip system.
Will be interesting to see it once unveiled, will be surprising if its revolutionary but you never know.
Possibly could not be spring loaded but on a lever system instead... looking at the picture from that youtube video it appears the lead sits above actual plastic clip system.
Will be interesting to see it once unveiled, will be surprising if its revolutionary but you never know.
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I definitely remember something like that, but can't remember where I saw it.
I definitely remember something like that, but can't remember where I saw it.
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I suspect that will not be too far away.
I suspect that will not be too far away.
I've never really known where to post this - however here seems pretty good.
I don't think that alcohol and drug abuse has made this up so desperately hoping someone can remember the description below.
I reckon 20-30 years ago. There was a tiny sinking spod that held about 4 baits, one being your hook bait, unsure how it was ‘set' (maybe PVA) but you cast it out and then the 3 or four baits sprung out and in the process the hooklink straightened. Please can someone tell me what it was? In my head I played with this ‘bullet' type thing in a shop. Apologies if I have made this up...
I don't think that alcohol and drug abuse has made this up so desperately hoping someone can remember the description below.
I reckon 20-30 years ago. There was a tiny sinking spod that held about 4 baits, one being your hook bait, unsure how it was ‘set' (maybe PVA) but you cast it out and then the 3 or four baits sprung out and in the process the hooklink straightened. Please can someone tell me what it was? In my head I played with this ‘bullet' type thing in a shop. Apologies if I have made this up...
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Of you've made it up ring Ali quick,he will love that and probably pay you a small fortune whilst ****ing and crying over his cornflakes
Of you've made it up ring Ali quick,he will love that and probably pay you a small fortune whilst ****ing and crying over his cornflakes
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Nope you never made it up either that or we've both had the same drink and drug induced thoughts
I had a couple It was a small black boilie rocket that was lead weighted at the nose and the swivel in the lead came through the rocket end of the rubber mould it was used as a free running weight on the line that dispensed bait near your hooklink, it took four boilies loaded against the tension of a spring they were held in place by two pegs that slotted in the fins and PVA was then wrapped around the pegs and pushed into the moulding of the fins to hold in place once cast into the pond PVA would melt and fire the boilies out the back, I seem to remember it was a Gardner tackle product, Korum copied it later as like a boilie dropper/feeder except now it's used independently for just baiting.
Nope you never made it up either that or we've both had the same drink and drug induced thoughts
I had a couple It was a small black boilie rocket that was lead weighted at the nose and the swivel in the lead came through the rocket end of the rubber mould it was used as a free running weight on the line that dispensed bait near your hooklink, it took four boilies loaded against the tension of a spring they were held in place by two pegs that slotted in the fins and PVA was then wrapped around the pegs and pushed into the moulding of the fins to hold in place once cast into the pond PVA would melt and fire the boilies out the back, I seem to remember it was a Gardner tackle product, Korum copied it later as like a boilie dropper/feeder except now it's used independently for just baiting.
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That's the kiddy, thank you I seem to remember a guy telling me he put his hook bait in as well and cast onto island and tease back into water so pva makes sense!
Anyhoo... back to Ali grizzling and the wonder product
That's the kiddy, thank you I seem to remember a guy telling me he put his hook bait in as well and cast onto island and tease back into water so pva makes sense!
Anyhoo... back to Ali grizzling and the wonder product
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You absolutely haven't made this up as i was one of the early testers, it was carptech innovations that made it. It was essentially a mini spring loaded spod which enabled you to add a few freebies then your hookbait on top, pva tape was wrapped around a couple of pegs moulded into the fins to secure it in flight, then underwater the whole lot jettisoned and you had a baited area at ranges unobtainable for most at the time.
You absolutely haven't made this up as i was one of the early testers, it was carptech innovations that made it. It was essentially a mini spring loaded spod which enabled you to add a few freebies then your hookbait on top, pva tape was wrapped around a couple of pegs moulded into the fins to secure it in flight, then underwater the whole lot jettisoned and you had a baited area at ranges unobtainable for most at the time.
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If you are really old , like me , you may know a gadget simular to this idear was about , and apparently hooked everything from a stickleback to a carp and all in-between . I'm sure it was in Kevin Maddox era , and did not last long for that reason . Was it around in the early days at waveny valley , scratching my head .
Got to agree , think lake owners might frown upon it , as if something went wrong a live rig left in the lake that strikes itself would not be great .
Can't jump the gun untill it's all out , but ONC love to drag stuff out 👍 , makes for good adverts .
If you are really old , like me , you may know a gadget simular to this idear was about , and apparently hooked everything from a stickleback to a carp and all in-between . I'm sure it was in Kevin Maddox era , and did not last long for that reason . Was it around in the early days at waveny valley , scratching my head .
Got to agree , think lake owners might frown upon it , as if something went wrong a live rig left in the lake that strikes itself would not be great .
Can't jump the gun untill it's all out , but ONC love to drag stuff out 👍 , makes for good adverts .
I can't imagine how you could make anything that's sensitive enough to actually work before the full weight if the lead is lifted, that would survive being cast. Unless some kind of pva peg is involved.
Interesting ti see how it works. I wonder who will be the first person to put 2 or 3 of them on one rig.
Interesting ti see how it works. I wonder who will be the first person to put 2 or 3 of them on one rig.
how does it reset if you get picked up and ejected or a crayfish dicks about with it?
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I imagine it doesn't. Just becomes a normal rig i suppose. I imagine it'd be hard to come out once that's been set off though. A fish will already have contact with the hook for it to engage at which point it fully pulls it in. I think it's a good idea and will
Put a small number of extra fish on the bank. Most are already done by the time it's used I imagine
I imagine it doesn't. Just becomes a normal rig i suppose. I imagine it'd be hard to come out once that's been set off though. A fish will already have contact with the hook for it to engage at which point it fully pulls it in. I think it's a good idea and will
Put a small number of extra fish on the bank. Most are already done by the time it's used I imagine
I think the only people who will buy it will be those who feel they need to catch every fish that goes near their hook.
Hopefully it won't result in more damage to the fish than we already do
Didn't Marc cunnington write about the “wonder rig” in the syndicate series.....
So it must be his lol
Hopefully it won't result in more damage to the fish than we already do
Didn't Marc cunnington write about the “wonder rig” in the syndicate series.....
So it must be his lol
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If it is some sort of spring loaded trigger device then I think vaguely remember reading that these sort of devices are in breach of the fisheries regulations.
If it is some sort of spring loaded trigger device then I think vaguely remember reading that these sort of devices are in breach of the fisheries regulations.
the omc lipper ripper
The Magic Twig soon to be shown on the 6th August
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Gonna be a load of nonsense let's face it. Give him credit his marketing and hype is second to none and people will buy it thinking it will make a difference. I'd imagine it's also been done before in some sort of form.
Gonna be a load of nonsense let's face it. Give him credit his marketing and hype is second to none and people will buy it thinking it will make a difference. I'd imagine it's also been done before in some sort of form.
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It better be good after he cried about it
It better be good after he cried about it
I never used to mind hamidi at first, he.was always a marketing man at korda but nothing over the top.....now with omc and this other blokes money his desperation has sent his aggressive marketing and throw it down your throat tactics to another level, everything that comes out is next level according to hamidi, how did we ever survive before omc came along...you could say he's a marketing genius, I call it pushy,annoying and way over the top...if his products are that good they'll sell themselves....
In reply to Post #56
Where do you go after that , auto wind in , auto landing nets , the only excuse to go fishing will to be to light the BBQ and wait to hold a fish 🙄
Where do you go after that , auto wind in , auto landing nets , the only excuse to go fishing will to be to light the BBQ and wait to hold a fish 🙄
In reply to Post #56
I guess it depends on what you view online. I would not have a scooby doo about the latest fad, TV programme, or which match angler is growing tits because of the amount of hormones they're using, simply because I don't engage in it. My social media is VERY minimal when it comes to angling, I think that has helped my bank balance too, as I've now got a nack of sticking with something I'm confident in.
Always makes me chuckle, people spend hundreds if not thousands on a trip to France, then spend a ton on the latest greatest bait they have absolutely zero confidence in because they have never used it.
Madness.
I guess it depends on what you view online. I would not have a scooby doo about the latest fad, TV programme, or which match angler is growing tits because of the amount of hormones they're using, simply because I don't engage in it. My social media is VERY minimal when it comes to angling, I think that has helped my bank balance too, as I've now got a nack of sticking with something I'm confident in.
Always makes me chuckle, people spend hundreds if not thousands on a trip to France, then spend a ton on the latest greatest bait they have absolutely zero confidence in because they have never used it.
Madness.
In reply to Post #56
I agree with a lot that you say here, having now used a lot of the products (just cause its marginally cheaper than other big names) I can actually say most of it is top quality.
The soft coated braid, the putty and the PVA products are absolutely spot on in particular.
I agree with a lot that you say here, having now used a lot of the products (just cause its marginally cheaper than other big names) I can actually say most of it is top quality.
The soft coated braid, the putty and the PVA products are absolutely spot on in particular.
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I'd have to agree on the quality with the few pieces I've used. Can't fault any of it so far, but I have only used a few bits to be fair
I'd have to agree on the quality with the few pieces I've used. Can't fault any of it so far, but I have only used a few bits to be fair
So a twig that self hooks....
For the eagle-eyed, you can google the patent application online which pretty much confirms exactly what “Product X” is.
In reply to Post #61
"A device for triggering an automatic strike action in a fishing rig"
A smaller version of this, that is made to look like a twig. lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqjahw_qNB4
"A device for triggering an automatic strike action in a fishing rig"
A smaller version of this, that is made to look like a twig. lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqjahw_qNB4
I think if he markets anything like that in the UK then he's dead in the water.
It's the sort of thing you see on eBay coming from China when you dismiss it thinking they know nothing about the UK fishing culture.
It's the sort of thing you see on eBay coming from China when you dismiss it thinking they know nothing about the UK fishing culture.
In reply to Post #63
That'll be banned just about everywhere very quickly.
That'll be banned just about everywhere very quickly.
In reply to Post #64
Yea not for me , I'll stick with my running rigs lol
Yea not for me , I'll stick with my running rigs lol
In reply to Post #64
Very true, but there is a whole generation (that's he's had a good hand in creating) of the catch at all costs brigade, that will buy these in the bucket load.
I cant see how it would work, i cannot see how it would be too dissimilar to the Nash hook link that was elasticated,
Time will tell
Very true, but there is a whole generation (that's he's had a good hand in creating) of the catch at all costs brigade, that will buy these in the bucket load.
I cant see how it would work, i cannot see how it would be too dissimilar to the Nash hook link that was elasticated,
Time will tell
The Nash Triggalink is still going, not sure how many use it. I'm sure it was a podcast with Shelley saying he swears by it but I could be wrong.
It's odd, the OMC stuff so far hasn't been awful, I've got a couple of bits and can't complain, however I do feel this is being made out to be so good it's likely to be a huge let down, the way they are going on about it you'll never miss a bite again, which takes away part of why I go imo
It's odd, the OMC stuff so far hasn't been awful, I've got a couple of bits and can't complain, however I do feel this is being made out to be so good it's likely to be a huge let down, the way they are going on about it you'll never miss a bite again, which takes away part of why I go imo
In reply to Post #68
IMO Nash Triggalink is one of the best things Kevin ever thought up
its 100% caught me some very big fish on some hard French lakes that had never seen it I was worried it was going to be discontinued and so I bought dozen spools still used it the last time I went carping and caught too
IMO Nash Triggalink is one of the best things Kevin ever thought up
its 100% caught me some very big fish on some hard French lakes that had never seen it I was worried it was going to be discontinued and so I bought dozen spools still used it the last time I went carping and caught too
In reply to Post #69
I've heard many say the same, and also say it was likely to be discontinued. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it!) I've become confident enough in a couple of rigs now that I rarely change to something new, but I could definitely do with giving it a go at some point
I've heard many say the same, and also say it was likely to be discontinued. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it!) I've become confident enough in a couple of rigs now that I rarely change to something new, but I could definitely do with giving it a go at some point
In reply to Post #67
Triggalink is in no way self striking, it just adds an element of elasticity to the hooklength, the fish still has to tighten up to the lead to be hooked.
Triggalink is in no way self striking, it just adds an element of elasticity to the hooklength, the fish still has to tighten up to the lead to be hooked.
If it is some sort of self-hooking device with a size 6 being catapulted anywhere around a fishes head then as many have said already it will be banned everywhere.....even Hamidi isn't stupid enough to put all the hype behind a product that wouldn't sell....
If it is a device which somehow 'snaps' like a mouse trap when disturbed, won't almost ALL carp eventually become ridiculously wary of everything on the lake bed associated with baits and rigs?
Don't most of us use self resetting rigs in case of bird life and nuisance species? This would just be a pain to have to keep reeling in and checking. A fish moving near it and wafting the hookbait potentially setting it off? Or a roach moving your hookbait. Or even liners potentially?
It all sounds like something Mark Cunnington made up?
just seen a video about the person that designed the lippa rippa and hamidi claiming its going to change all disciplines of angling....
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1027681965334647?s=yWDuG2&fs=e
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1027681965334647?s=yWDuG2&fs=e
In reply to Post #75
They definitely deserve a hand granade in their bivvy
They definitely deserve a hand granade in their bivvy
In reply to Post #76
Is it really called a lippa rippa? Not exactly a name that should appeal to a proper angler
Is it really called a lippa rippa? Not exactly a name that should appeal to a proper angler
In reply to Post #78
🤣 no I'm not sure what it's called,
🤣 no I'm not sure what it's called,
In reply to Post #78
It's called the magic twig.
It's called the magic twig.
I hope it has bluetooth:XD
I really don't like the guy (no hate or something similar, just pffff), but he's good at making people talk and guess, and hate to admit it, i'm curious now.
I really don't like the guy (no hate or something similar, just pffff), but he's good at making people talk and guess, and hate to admit it, i'm curious now.
In reply to Post #80
the magic twig ffs,sounds like a kids book... the lippa rippa sounds alot better
the magic twig ffs,sounds like a kids book... the lippa rippa sounds alot better
In reply to Post #82
I did post the name in post 53,I wanted read ppls views on it I can't wait for Sunday now its sooo exciting
I did post the name in post 53,I wanted read ppls views on it
I can't wait for Sunday now its sooo exciting
In reply to Post #83
It looks like a twig but it is not self hooking, it is a small chip that is trigged once it passes the net cord, phrases can be controlled via any mobile (down load the app). You can choose a snapping sound that suggests you've lost it, or the Danny mode that says BOSH, GET IN THAT NET, GET IN THAT NET, GET IN THAT NETTTTTTT
different languages will be available and a special edition Penning version that uses really long words incorrectly
It looks like a twig but it is not self hooking, it is a small chip that is trigged once it passes the net cord, phrases can be controlled via any mobile (down load the app). You can choose a snapping sound that suggests you've lost it, or the Danny mode that says BOSH, GET IN THAT NET, GET IN THAT NET, GET IN THAT NETTTTTTT
different languages will be available and a special edition Penning version that uses really long words incorrectly
I've just pitched a new product idea to OMC via email called "Da Pumpa". "Da Pumpa" is a small pump which can be slipped on your "spot" in the margin. Once there, once "da pumpa" is turned on, the pump will begin to drain the water from the lake. Most overstocked carp puddles will take roughly 3 days to empty, thus benefitting the unemployed carp dosser the most. Once the lake is devoid of any water, simple turn off "da pumpa", walk into the lake (preferably using a pair of "wadaz" waders which I've also pitched (they are just waders with a cool name)), and pick out your target fish so you can take a picture to post it on facebook.
In reply to Post #85
Haha nice one!
Haha nice one!
hamidi saying 12 pickups on camera,12 hooked fished from 6 different lakes in 5 countrys or something like that.....he'll basically tell us what he wants us to know to sell the the product....I trust him as much as I do politician's after finding out they had swims taped off at Grenville,pre baited for them,using particle which is banned and zamora caught his pb from an out of bounds area...oh and using bait boats too which he just failed to mention on the film they put out.
In reply to Post #87
I despise this technique of manufactured demand and product unveiling. It's just like Nike Jordans, Prime drinks, Taylor Swift tickets, ruins it for the every day man on the street who just wants to enjoy a hobby.
But luckily we still have other brands we can use so it's not so much of a problem, there's no monopoly.
I despise this technique of manufactured demand and product unveiling. It's just like Nike Jordans, Prime drinks, Taylor Swift tickets, ruins it for the every day man on the street who just wants to enjoy a hobby.
But luckily we still have other brands we can use so it's not so much of a problem, there's no monopoly.
I walk away from a blank with the fire burning,the questions running through my mind.....gimmicks like this will appeal to hamidis audience,the fan boys, the "I buy all your gear I'll definetly be having this" comments you read on social media..the catch at all costs brigade.
In reply to Post #89
It's all very embarrassing isn't it
It's all very embarrassing isn't it
In reply to Post #89
They won't be using it if fisheries ban it
They won't be using it if fisheries ban it
In reply to Post #91
haha that would be funny
haha that would be funny
In reply to Post #92
Surely he's not that much of an idiot to release a dangerous product
Surely he's not that much of an idiot to release a dangerous product
In reply to Post #89
absolutely spot on..
absolutely spot on..
In reply to Post #90
This thread certainly is
Hamidi is releasing another bit of plastic. Who cares? Some people on here seem to be obsessed with him.
Getting angry at a social media advert, then reading all the comments to get even more angry at the people who aren't angry is not healthy behaviour
More fishing, less social media, less anger, less plastic..this is the way...
This thread certainly is
Hamidi is releasing another bit of plastic. Who cares? Some people on here seem to be obsessed with him.
Getting angry at a social media advert, then reading all the comments to get even more angry at the people who aren't angry is not healthy behaviour
More fishing, less social media, less anger, less plastic..this is the way...
In reply to Post #95
Clearly spent time reading it though more fishing less reading
Clearly spent time reading it though
more fishing less reading
In reply to Post #96
I'm only trying to help these poor frustrated Hamidi disciples. Do they hate him, do they love him? It must be so confusing. It's an act of kindness to try and release them from his shackles.
I'm only trying to help these poor frustrated Hamidi disciples. Do they hate him, do they love him? It must be so confusing. It's an act of kindness to try and release them from his shackles.
In reply to Post #97
The wait will be over tomorrow,can't wait read the comments once it's actually shown
The wait will be over tomorrow,can't wait read the comments once it's actually shown
In reply to Post #98
I don't have Facebook, so will prepare myself for the backlash on here. He's certainly done a great job of winding people up if there's a countdown to the reveal
I don't have Facebook, so will prepare myself for the backlash on here. He's certainly done a great job of winding people up if there's a countdown to the reveal
In reply to Post #99
Don't need have facebook to view the pages
Don't need have facebook to view the pages
In reply to Post #100
He is an expert , if you shout , and he certainly does, that every item from omc is the very best on the market as long and hard as he does then it gets people attention. He could sell houses .
He is an expert , if you shout , and he certainly does, that every item from omc is the very best on the market as long and hard as he does then it gets people attention. He could sell houses .
In reply to Post #98
Going to be fun 🤪
Going to be fun 🤪
6pm tonight,I hope you've all got your alarms set and could there be a few red faces.What are you all going say if it's an amazing product
In reply to Post #104
Yeah he's over the top but there is worse out there
Yeah he's over the top but there is worse out there
still none the wiser what it actually does apart from him telling us it's amazing and if you don't use it your at a disadvantage to someone that does
Hermit Rig
In reply to Post #106
It's a tube of plastic with two arms that lock in place when your rig is picked up the arms fling open and the clip inside shoots back so it hooks the fish.At least that's how I think it works
It's a tube of plastic with two arms that lock in place when your rig is picked up the arms fling open and the clip inside shoots back so it hooks the fish.At least that's how I think it works
essentially what everyone thought it was going to be. i think it will work but i wonder if all fishery owners will like it. the difference between this and the hermit rig is this is essentially "loaded" form what i can tell.
I've just watched it. It's still going to rely massively on rig mechanics by the looks. The hook needs to take hold and put strain on the so called twig. So if the rigs set up poor and dosent initially ***** it won't work.
Tight line fishing I can't see it changing much as a heavy lead and tight line takes are normally savage.
Slack line it may work better to create a bolt effect.
Certainly don't think it was worth waiting and crying over but all the best to them
Tight line fishing I can't see it changing much as a heavy lead and tight line takes are normally savage.
Slack line it may work better to create a bolt effect.
Certainly don't think it was worth waiting and crying over but all the best to them
In reply to Post #108
Well I've got a lot more questions than answers, though to be fair I couldn't watch the whole video. Just skipped to bits that looked kinda interesting.
I'm struggling to take the opinion of the inventor and promoter as gospel. Will be interesting to see some independent reviews in the future.
Will it cause tangles like a adjustable zig?
will it go off too quickly, like Phillip Schofield ina school?
Will have the strength to withstand snaggy conditions?
What happens when it gets dragged into silt?
I think I'll leave it for now.
Well I've got a lot more questions than answers, though to be fair I couldn't watch the whole video. Just skipped to bits that looked kinda interesting.
I'm struggling to take the opinion of the inventor and promoter as gospel. Will be interesting to see some independent reviews in the future.
Will it cause tangles like a adjustable zig?
will it go off too quickly, like Phillip Schofield ina school?
Will have the strength to withstand snaggy conditions?
What happens when it gets dragged into silt?
I think I'll leave it for now.
In reply to Post #108
it should be called the fomo rig, they're trying to install the fear of missing out over everyone if you're not using it.
it should be called the fomo rig, they're trying to install the fear of missing out over everyone if you're not using it.
In reply to Post #112
Rig snapped off in lake , fish picks it up and it goes off then hooks it 🤔 , with fisheries banning plastic as it's still fishing on a lost rig imagine one that sets the hook as well .
Rig snapped off in lake , fish picks it up and it goes off then hooks it 🤔 , with fisheries banning plastic as it's still fishing on a lost rig imagine one that sets the hook as well .
I wonder how many accidents there will be,someone is bound to fire it off and get a rig in their hand
Well he confirmed that it's a self striking rig. I've banned all self striking rigs at my place. I feel that could inflict damage on soft mouthed fish and really doesn't feel right to me.
what the video showed was a very neat all perfectly lay presentation on a very clean bottom, what if the "magic twigg" is sat vertical.
also if you crack off and the fish dumps the lead off the lead clip, there's now more plastic to risk getting caught up in weed and snags.
also if you crack off and the fish dumps the lead off the lead clip, there's now more plastic to risk getting caught up in weed and snags.
In reply to Post #116
Where can I see the video, any links please.
I'm not on twitter, insta or other annoyances.
Where can I see the video, any links please.
I'm not on twitter, insta or other annoyances.
In reply to Post #117
you tube
you tube
Surely if you chuck one of these out with bag of pellets on the hook it will go off in mid air? Can't see it beating a very sharp hook and heavy lead anytime soon. It's a no from me.
In reply to Post #119
I posted that if we are now in a situation where the rig strikes setting the hook for you we are one step away from just going fishing only to light the BBQ , it was tongue in cheek , but Ali thought it was hilarious 🤔
I posted that if we are now in a situation where the rig strikes setting the hook for you we are one step away from just going fishing only to light the BBQ , it was tongue in cheek , but Ali thought it was hilarious 🤔
In reply to Post #119
Wrong,there are grooves in the tube so you can tie it off with pva.This stops it springing open if using mesh bags or going for a big cast
Wrong,there are grooves in the tube so you can tie it off with pva.This stops it springing open if using mesh bags or going for a big cast
In reply to Post #121
After just watching it again, if you crack off/get snapped the fish is going to be towing that piece of plastic around with the two arms splayed open,perfectly positioned to get snagged/caught up in weed,branches and whatever else is on the bottom of a lake bed....ill be very suprised if any fishery allows this to be used
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After just watching it again, if you crack off/get snapped the fish is going to be towing that piece of plastic around with the two arms splayed open,perfectly positioned to get snagged/caught up in weed,branches and whatever else is on the bottom of a lake bed....ill be very suprised if any fishery allows this to be used
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i think its a step to far personally, i thnk if i hooked every carp that ever picked up my rig then it sort of ruins it for me. i like the fact that i can get done by carp (i think🤔 
and fish can be good at getting rid of rigs, and therefore why certain carp avoid getting caught. i duno carnt really explain it but just dosnt sit right with me wich is strange coz i allways try and make my rigs better, but when the ultimate rig comes along i dont like it. who knows it might not be as good as ali is making out. although i must say having hooked every carp that picked it up is bloody good, because anyone who has seen korda or cyp films will know that doesn't happen normally
and fish can be good at getting rid of rigs, and therefore why certain carp avoid getting caught. i duno carnt really explain it but just dosnt sit right with me wich is strange coz i allways try and make my rigs better, but when the ultimate rig comes along i dont like it. who knows it might not be as good as ali is making out. although i must say having hooked every carp that picked it up is bloody good, because anyone who has seen korda or cyp films will know that doesn't happen normally
In reply to Post #122
Once those arm bend a bit it there will be trouble with its effectiveness also. I'm guessing it will be around 10 quid for three in a pack. Interesting to see how this pans out.
Once those arm bend a bit it there will be trouble with its effectiveness also. I'm guessing it will be around 10 quid for three in a pack. Interesting to see how this pans out.
In reply to Post #122
My exact thoughts when i watched it were about a fish getting snagged if you ever had a crack off.... lot of plastic and no way for mainline to part from it of the leadclip
Also seen comments ref the side arm design and damage to fish in net etc
My exact thoughts when i watched it were about a fish getting snagged if you ever had a crack off.... lot of plastic and no way for mainline to part from it of the leadclip
Also seen comments ref the side arm design and damage to fish in net etc
In reply to Post #122
That's shocking
That's shocking
In reply to Post #127
The bloke is a great salesman . He is very lucky that every item omc sell is the best in the world 😁 , and of you shout it long and hard enough people believe it . Break it down they sell the majority of the same gear as many many companies, even the clothing is nothing special , and can be bettered from lots of other places , even sports shops .
So other than this twig / rat trap he has to push hard , but he lost me on day one with dropping everything he was using /pushing , rods/reels/buzzers /bivvys all went out the window , and which he assured everyone was the best 🤔 shows he has the morals and standards of a good salesman 👍
The bloke is a great salesman . He is very lucky that every item omc sell is the best in the world 😁 , and of you shout it long and hard enough people believe it . Break it down they sell the majority of the same gear as many many companies, even the clothing is nothing special , and can be bettered from lots of other places , even sports shops .
So other than this twig / rat trap he has to push hard , but he lost me on day one with dropping everything he was using /pushing , rods/reels/buzzers /bivvys all went out the window , and which he assured everyone was the best 🤔 shows he has the morals and standards of a good salesman 👍
In reply to Post #122
I just don't think that it works! I watched the video last night and, let's be honest, if I thought it would get me extra bites then I would consider it. The very fact that the terrapin didn't set it off just showed that it won't work. Those pulls the terrapin was making were considerably more powerful than a fish handling the bait and then ejecting it or, more likely, it falling out of its' mouth. IMO each of the fish shown was hooked by the lead as per usual. I'm not a hater btw!
I just don't think that it works! I watched the video last night and, let's be honest, if I thought it would get me extra bites then I would consider it. The very fact that the terrapin didn't set it off just showed that it won't work. Those pulls the terrapin was making were considerably more powerful than a fish handling the bait and then ejecting it or, more likely, it falling out of its' mouth. IMO each of the fish shown was hooked by the lead as per usual. I'm not a hater btw!
In reply to Post #129
Nobody's a hater , just making comments, but in your own fishing unless you see the fish pick it up and see it crack open you will never know . Clever thing is as it goes over the net and it's tripped you will always think it's done the trick when the carp could have made the mistake anyway .
Nobody's a hater , just making comments, but in your own fishing unless you see the fish pick it up and see it crack open you will never know . Clever thing is as it goes over the net and it's tripped you will always think it's done the trick when the carp could have made the mistake anyway .
Not sure how you put a photo up but from the image that's shows the 3 different lead sizes I can't see the arms out like in post 122. When I watched the vid I felt it was the lead that hooked the fish. Like other have said feels very much like a sales tactic to get into to your head that you need it.
Not a hater, but no, no, no and once again no for so many reasons
In reply to Post #131
I'll not be using it, want the least amount of crap on my line, don't even use lead clips, just a run ring with the lug cut to allow the lead to discharge if snagged. Can imagine day ticket waters banning as fish trailing even more stuff if line breaks
I'll not be using it, want the least amount of crap on my line, don't even use lead clips, just a run ring with the lug cut to allow the lead to discharge if snagged. Can imagine day ticket waters banning as fish trailing even more stuff if line breaks
Watched the vid. Still not sure how it works? But as Ali mentioned they will go further into the mechanics at a later date. First impressions. It does look a bit cumbersome. Great biggin of plastic between the lead and hooklenght. Actually preferred the inventors heath Robinson version, a lot neater.
Don't think hes going to get many takers with the bearded Yellow wader strap brigade. Doubt it would sit to well on there little leaded stiff link set ups. No matter how effective it turns out to be. But I'm sure there not the demographic OMC are aimed at anyway. As for the Peeps saying its not fish friendly. It's no less friendly than that bent piece of metal we all have on the end anyway.
Good luck to Ali anyway.if it helps people put a few more fish on the Bank. That's all good in my eyes.
Don't think hes going to get many takers with the bearded Yellow wader strap brigade. Doubt it would sit to well on there little leaded stiff link set ups. No matter how effective it turns out to be. But I'm sure there not the demographic OMC are aimed at anyway. As for the Peeps saying its not fish friendly. It's no less friendly than that bent piece of metal we all have on the end anyway.
Good luck to Ali anyway.if it helps people put a few more fish on the Bank. That's all good in my eyes.
In reply to Post #134
I would also worry about it getting snagged in the net mesh. That's how a lot of mouth tears occur IMO
I would also worry about it getting snagged in the net mesh. That's how a lot of mouth tears occur IMO
In reply to Post #134
Also just watched it.
The vid doesnt overly excite me, but as stated previously, there's more to come.
In the clips of the takes, i couldnt exactly see what was going on, didnt see the "arms" open post the take, but that may well just have been me.
jury open in my book.
It will however, be very interesting to see what the country's lake owner's think of it, not the ones they have possible connections with.
Also just watched it.
The vid doesnt overly excite me, but as stated previously, there's more to come.
In the clips of the takes, i couldnt exactly see what was going on, didnt see the "arms" open post the take, but that may well just have been me.
jury open in my book.
It will however, be very interesting to see what the country's lake owner's think of it, not the ones they have possible connections with.
In reply to Post #132
yeah very much this.
a solution looking for a problem.
its "another" piece of plastic being introduced into "our" fishing when i think we should be trying to remove the amount of such things that we are using.
i mean is there a demand for such a thing?
there must be for them to put some much effort into it as they attempt to find something which hooks EVERYTHING all the time.
what happened to being there and enjoying all that fishing has to offer its not just all about catching is it?
and for the record im not hating on OMC as i like the look of some of the other products they supply
yeah very much this.
a solution looking for a problem.
its "another" piece of plastic being introduced into "our" fishing when i think we should be trying to remove the amount of such things that we are using.
i mean is there a demand for such a thing?
there must be for them to put some much effort into it as they attempt to find something which hooks EVERYTHING all the time.
what happened to being there and enjoying all that fishing has to offer its not just all about catching is it?
and for the record im not hating on OMC as i like the look of some of the other products they supply
In reply to Post #137
Some the stuff they produce is in the main aimed very squarely at a market demographic that most won't be in .
When you add silly hats , ready made leaders , tied to a ready made rig , with a bright aligner , a bright baitscrew , now something that hooks the fish for you , then you know who will buy it .
But as Maylin said "miss quote" ....... who are we to judge when they are just having fun 🤔
Some the stuff they produce is in the main aimed very squarely at a market demographic that most won't be in .
When you add silly hats , ready made leaders , tied to a ready made rig , with a bright aligner , a bright baitscrew , now something that hooks the fish for you , then you know who will buy it .
But as Maylin said "miss quote" ....... who are we to judge when they are just having fun 🤔
As someone else said, if the arms open, surely once the fish is in the net it's a disaster waiting to happen?
In reply to Post #122
Surely that is going to snag in the mesh every time!? I might have the wrong end of the stick (or twig!) here.....I hope so!
Surely that is going to snag in the mesh every time!? I might have the wrong end of the stick (or twig!) here.....I hope so!
FWIW. At least he gives credit to the inventor-hope he gets a good cut on royalties! Not sure his sample rate is meaningful in any way tho. 15 takes? Thats hardly conclusive.I'm sure product development in other industries would have a much larger sample before deciding to manufacture and distribute.
In reply to Post #136
lake owners like embyro !
lake owners like embyro !
In reply to Post #142
banned product already
banned product already
Very annoying video, managed 3 minutes and still don't know anything about the mechanics. Just put it on a table and show what it does?!
The turtle was indeed pulling hard, so i don't see why a carp would set it off.
So, here we go, bad marketing. I get the teasing, but obscuring the functioning only puts people off.
The turtle was indeed pulling hard, so i don't see why a carp would set it off.
So, here we go, bad marketing. I get the teasing, but obscuring the functioning only puts people off.
In reply to Post #139
i would assume its engineered to separate / collapse in the same type of way as the prongs on a sea weight?
i would assume its engineered to separate / collapse in the same type of way as the prongs on a sea weight?
Not sure how it works if the terrapin did not set it off tugging away at it? Surely that's the sort of bite you don't want to miss.
It's a no from me I'm out!
Don't think the Terrapin managed to move the lead and that appears to be key. The way I see it the product works like;
1 - Fish picks up hookbait
2 - Fish feels pr!ck of hook
3 - fish moves, feels weight of lead
4 - lead moving causes Twig thing to operate, thus "striking" the hook home
Hamidi kept on saying, "there's none of the usual head-shaking" which a carp would naturally do as the weight of the lead is felt. The headshaking, as we know can throw the hook but if the Twig thing has engaged and hit the hook home, the fish is hooked.
I can certainly see the theory behind it and how it would work but at the end of the day you still need the carp to pick up your hookbait and engage the lead for the Twig thing to do its job. I suppose the marketing people at OMC will tell us it converts those missed opportunities, and maybe it would?
It's the safety element that concerns me, crack off and you have got a live trigger rig sat there waiting to nail a fish or tether a caught fish if your line had snapped. Can you fish it with a drop-off style lead clip or would this negate the weight needed to trigger the twig? And as others have said, what about the twig tangling in the landing net mesh?
will be interesting to see the actual mechanics but can see most fisheries banning them as there are so many variables...
1 - Fish picks up hookbait
2 - Fish feels pr!ck of hook
3 - fish moves, feels weight of lead
4 - lead moving causes Twig thing to operate, thus "striking" the hook home
Hamidi kept on saying, "there's none of the usual head-shaking" which a carp would naturally do as the weight of the lead is felt. The headshaking, as we know can throw the hook but if the Twig thing has engaged and hit the hook home, the fish is hooked.
I can certainly see the theory behind it and how it would work but at the end of the day you still need the carp to pick up your hookbait and engage the lead for the Twig thing to do its job. I suppose the marketing people at OMC will tell us it converts those missed opportunities, and maybe it would?
It's the safety element that concerns me, crack off and you have got a live trigger rig sat there waiting to nail a fish or tether a caught fish if your line had snapped. Can you fish it with a drop-off style lead clip or would this negate the weight needed to trigger the twig? And as others have said, what about the twig tangling in the landing net mesh?
will be interesting to see the actual mechanics but can see most fisheries banning them as there are so many variables...
Seen on Facebook that several lakes have banned this already and rightly so. It's not good etiquette for a start, it's catch at all costs and additional tethering up risk should a rig be lost. In lesser experienced anglers hands I think this has potential to cause great harm.
Glad fisheries are reacting quickly
Glad fisheries are reacting quickly
In reply to Post #148
Nuddock wood lake and lodges have already banned it. Think there will be a fair few who follow.
Nuddock wood lake and lodges have already banned it. Think there will be a fair few who follow.
In reply to Post #150
it will be interesting to see what the fishery management page members think, i know its on there at the mo
it will be interesting to see what the fishery management page members think, i know its on there at the mo
Somewhere in the far corner of my brain I recall this sort of thing to be unlawful. So I checked and found this in the Thames area byelaws.
"In the Thames byelaw area, you must not use any device that is designed to hook a fish automatically."
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/regional-rod-fishing-byelaws-south-east-region
"In the Thames byelaw area, you must not use any device that is designed to hook a fish automatically."
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/regional-rod-fishing-byelaws-south-east-region
In reply to Post #150
As have Farlows and New Celtic Lakes. Assume my feed will be full of other lakes following suit in the next day or so
As have Farlows and New Celtic Lakes. Assume my feed will be full of other lakes following suit in the next day or so
In reply to Post #152
I'd be crying too after this. Can't believe they have gone this far with such a flawed product. A total disaster imo. Doesn't matter which carp tigers want to buy the product if there's nowhere to use it.
I'd be crying too after this. Can't believe they have gone this far with such a flawed product. A total disaster imo. Doesn't matter which carp tigers want to buy the product if there's nowhere to use it.
In reply to Post #152
Wow.
Wow.
In reply to Post #148
Have watched all the current 'takes' vids and in no instance have the arms released? Has the finished product negated this aspect perhaps? Being honest I'm going to buy a set out of curiosity and make my judgement then - and being honest I expect many of the auto-haters on here will also be doing so!
Have watched all the current 'takes' vids and in no instance have the arms released? Has the finished product negated this aspect perhaps? Being honest I'm going to buy a set out of curiosity and make my judgement then - and being honest I expect many of the auto-haters on here will also be doing so!
In reply to Post #156
He just went live on facebook to address concerns. One of which was the arms snagging in the net or weed. He said if the pressure is so great the arms will snap. He tried to demonstrate it and it just bent back and didnt snap. Whoops.
He just went live on facebook to address concerns. One of which was the arms snagging in the net or weed. He said if the pressure is so great the arms will snap. He tried to demonstrate it and it just bent back and didnt snap. Whoops.
In reply to Post #150
Yep, immediately banned at fallows, expecting places like Thorpe lea and so on to follow
Yep, immediately banned at fallows, expecting places like Thorpe lea and so on to follow
In reply to Post #158
He thinks he is going to talk them around to allowing them on their lakes, i doubt very much he will be successful in that.
He thinks he is going to talk them around to allowing them on their lakes, i doubt very much he will be successful in that.
In reply to Post #159
This will go down in history on how not to launch a product.
Its been banned before its even been released.
This will go down in history on how not to launch a product.
Its been banned before its even been released.
In reply to Post #160
Thos is somewhere in line with those gel baits from warvick...
Thos is somewhere in line with those gel baits from warvick...
In reply to Post #157
Lol just watched it he couldnt snap them for love or money ha.
What I would say though is why was the arms not reversed ie pointing towards lead not hook. This way the arms are spread agains the flow of travel reeling in a fish making it far less likely to get snagged
Lol just watched it he couldnt snap them for love or money ha.
What I would say though is why was the arms not reversed ie pointing towards lead not hook. This way the arms are spread agains the flow of travel reeling in a fish making it far less likely to get snagged
In reply to Post #160
you're right its a complete car crash... i suppose its got people talking about it but im not sure any publicity is good publicity in this case. personally i'm looking for ways to reduce the amount of plastic i use in my fishing
you're right its a complete car crash... i suppose its got people talking about it but im not sure any publicity is good publicity in this case. personally i'm looking for ways to reduce the amount of plastic i use in my fishing
In reply to Post #163
Any publicity is good publicity in most companies eyes, but this will be bad for his PR tbh, continually bigging this up, then totally destroyed by social media who immense see the immediate flaws he tried to disguise or ignore
Any publicity is good publicity in most companies eyes, but this will be bad for his PR tbh, continually bigging this up, then totally destroyed by social media who immense see the immediate flaws he tried to disguise or ignore
In reply to Post #157
the whole start of the live was basically saying that if this causes any damage it's the anglers fault for not unhooking a fish in the net instantly. He mentions no more risk than lead clips, hook and anti-tangle sleeves, three components he's also using on his set up.
Be interesting to get it in the hands of people that can test this stuff independently.
the whole start of the live was basically saying that if this causes any damage it's the anglers fault for not unhooking a fish in the net instantly. He mentions no more risk than lead clips, hook and anti-tangle sleeves, three components he's also using on his set up.
Be interesting to get it in the hands of people that can test this stuff independently.
In reply to Post #151
Just seen on my Facebook feed that Twynersh Fisheries have banned it and it ain't even out yet...
Just seen on my Facebook feed that Twynersh Fisheries have banned it and it ain't even out yet...
In reply to Post #166
If I was a fishery owner what incentive is there for me to allow it ?
The stock is their most valuable asset and this increases risk of issues. Even a blind man can see it getting snagged in the net and ripping mouths as well snagging in weed etc...
No point him having a go at fishery owners they don't owe him anything.
If I was a fishery owner what incentive is there for me to allow it ?
The stock is their most valuable asset and this increases risk of issues. Even a blind man can see it getting snagged in the net and ripping mouths as well snagging in weed etc...
No point him having a go at fishery owners they don't owe him anything.
Hope Ali only ordered a minimum amount and not 200,000 🫢
anyone own an OMC rig ready ?
In reply to Post #164
This product is being attacked for good reasons, and it goes far beyond anyone's perceived dislike of Ali and the company. I for one like him and usually find him entertaining. There are, however, so many issues with this product in terms of fish safety. It is simply unacceptable. It will undoubtedly catch in the mesh and many anglers are not experienced enough at handling fish without this potential problem. Would it cause me a problem with the fish in the net, no it wouldn't, but then I've been fishing for decades and would find a way around the problem. Unfortunately, I'm not the typical carp angler nowadays. I also note that in order to cast long distances or to attach phone nuggets or PVA mesh, he will have to use a PVA cable tie on every cast. Unless you are a brilliant caster, who gets it right first time every time then you will soon get hacked off tying a cable tie to a wet bit of plastic every single time.
It's also massive. Magic twig, more like crazy log!
The issue of the EA bylaws is also an interesting one. Potentially that kills it dead, just like that.
Either way, I don't normally get wound up about things like this but this product is a complete disaster both for the company and for the fish if it ever actually gets used anywhere.
This product is being attacked for good reasons, and it goes far beyond anyone's perceived dislike of Ali and the company. I for one like him and usually find him entertaining. There are, however, so many issues with this product in terms of fish safety. It is simply unacceptable. It will undoubtedly catch in the mesh and many anglers are not experienced enough at handling fish without this potential problem. Would it cause me a problem with the fish in the net, no it wouldn't, but then I've been fishing for decades and would find a way around the problem. Unfortunately, I'm not the typical carp angler nowadays. I also note that in order to cast long distances or to attach phone nuggets or PVA mesh, he will have to use a PVA cable tie on every cast. Unless you are a brilliant caster, who gets it right first time every time then you will soon get hacked off tying a cable tie to a wet bit of plastic every single time.
It's also massive. Magic twig, more like crazy log!
The issue of the EA bylaws is also an interesting one. Potentially that kills it dead, just like that.
Either way, I don't normally get wound up about things like this but this product is a complete disaster both for the company and for the fish if it ever actually gets used anywhere.
I'm not an Ali hater, he's annoying yes, but so are many others in all walks of life.
I'm not keen on the invention, it smacks of desperation. It doesn't help that the original inventor uses the phrase “ what can I make that will strike for me whilst I'm tucked up safe and warm in my bivvy.” That phrase smacks of lack of responsibility for your own actions, abdicating the hooking of a fish to a piece of plastic.
A lot of anglers who are non carpers abhor the bolt rig as a self hooking monstrosity which is against the spirit of angling and this will incense them further. God help us if the anti's get hold of this. The story is out there for them if they join up the dots. Can you imagine it - “ they drive to a lake and park up behind a manicured spot, send out a drone to find the fish and then send out a boat to this spot which drops the hook and bait. They then skulk in a tent with a bed (sometimes with heaters), watch videos on a pad and go to sleep until a fish picks up the bait and a device automatically hooks them. They then reel it in ( the only bit of physical effort) and take a picture which they then put on social media and throw the fish back in for the next angler to catch”
It's about as far removed from the public perception of an angler strolling down a river with a rod on a misty morning for an hours fishing as you can get.
Will lakes ban this device? - yes. Will people buy this device and use it where it's not banned ? - yes. Will people use it where it is banned? - yes. Will OMC make money? - yes. Will there be a non carping backlash or anti angler backlash? - who knows, but if it does it may be worth digging out the float rod and waders and head for the river on a misty morning.
I'm not keen on the invention, it smacks of desperation. It doesn't help that the original inventor uses the phrase “ what can I make that will strike for me whilst I'm tucked up safe and warm in my bivvy.” That phrase smacks of lack of responsibility for your own actions, abdicating the hooking of a fish to a piece of plastic.
A lot of anglers who are non carpers abhor the bolt rig as a self hooking monstrosity which is against the spirit of angling and this will incense them further. God help us if the anti's get hold of this. The story is out there for them if they join up the dots. Can you imagine it - “ they drive to a lake and park up behind a manicured spot, send out a drone to find the fish and then send out a boat to this spot which drops the hook and bait. They then skulk in a tent with a bed (sometimes with heaters), watch videos on a pad and go to sleep until a fish picks up the bait and a device automatically hooks them. They then reel it in ( the only bit of physical effort) and take a picture which they then put on social media and throw the fish back in for the next angler to catch”
It's about as far removed from the public perception of an angler strolling down a river with a rod on a misty morning for an hours fishing as you can get.
Will lakes ban this device? - yes. Will people buy this device and use it where it's not banned ? - yes. Will people use it where it is banned? - yes. Will OMC make money? - yes. Will there be a non carping backlash or anti angler backlash? - who knows, but if it does it may be worth digging out the float rod and waders and head for the river on a misty morning.
Berners Hall have banned it already
Kieth Moors recons it's a load of ******** 🫢
I do think a lot of fisheries that have already banned it are all just getting caught up in the hysteria. No one really knows how it works yet.
Wil
l be interesting to see whether Danny Fairbrass Embryo fisheries ban it or not
Wil
l be interesting to see whether Danny Fairbrass Embryo fisheries ban it or not
In reply to Post #174
That would be a nail in its coffin if his old boss turns him over
That would be a nail in its coffin if his old boss turns him over
In reply to Post #162
I think this may be a prime example of a typical product thats not been field tested by guys who will tell Ali exactly what they think. I think some of these companies have field testers who literally just tell the companies what they want to hear. "Oh its amazing" "oh you have done so well" "this is the best thing since sliced bread". I think alot of these products lack genuine constructive feedback. I saw he posted something about a day shelter on his instagram a while back, which was a concept and it got so many obvious flaws with it but he was going on like it has been tried and tested, but by who? People who will tell you what you want to hear so they keep you sweet and in their good books. I'm all for inovation, this may well open the door to further ideas, but its obviously got big flaws, like the fact he couldnt snap the legs on it after saying they would snap etc and why the legs are not the other way around.
I think this may be a prime example of a typical product thats not been field tested by guys who will tell Ali exactly what they think. I think some of these companies have field testers who literally just tell the companies what they want to hear. "Oh its amazing" "oh you have done so well" "this is the best thing since sliced bread". I think alot of these products lack genuine constructive feedback. I saw he posted something about a day shelter on his instagram a while back, which was a concept and it got so many obvious flaws with it but he was going on like it has been tried and tested, but by who? People who will tell you what you want to hear so they keep you sweet and in their good books. I'm all for inovation, this may well open the door to further ideas, but its obviously got big flaws, like the fact he couldnt snap the legs on it after saying they would snap etc and why the legs are not the other way around.
In reply to Post #176
On weedy waters to me a big no no. Turn it the other way around you've a nice weed rake.
Imagine that if you get broken off.
My syndicate has already looked at it and banned it 👍🏼
On weedy waters to me a big no no. Turn it the other way around you've a nice weed rake.
Imagine that if you get broken off.
My syndicate has already looked at it and banned it 👍🏼
In reply to Post #177
They wont be allowed on my lake.
They wont be allowed on my lake.
In reply to Post #178
They ONLY thing that is sharp that should be on any rig, for any species is a hook
End of
They ONLY thing that is sharp that should be on any rig, for any species is a hook
End of
In reply to Post #171
I'm not sure this is going to give the antis any more ammo than they already have - as we already know - WE put sharp bits of metal in fishes mouths for our pleasure . . .FACT.
Whilst I'm all for fish-care a lot of it in recent years has been driven by the immense amount of £ in the industry and the cost to fishery owners in protecting their stock for the benefit of subsequent captors (as well as the fish themselves) . . .quite rightly we have ALL also been made to feel guilty (or perhaps less) about our pleasure / previous practices by investing in the best fish-care products to mitigate the fishes obvious distress and our joy before we slip them back . . .bit of an oxymoron whatever new fangled fish catching device we choose to use or not IMHO . . .
I'm not sure this is going to give the antis any more ammo than they already have - as we already know - WE put sharp bits of metal in fishes mouths for our pleasure . . .FACT.
Whilst I'm all for fish-care a lot of it in recent years has been driven by the immense amount of £ in the industry and the cost to fishery owners in protecting their stock for the benefit of subsequent captors (as well as the fish themselves) . . .quite rightly we have ALL also been made to feel guilty (or perhaps less) about our pleasure / previous practices by investing in the best fish-care products to mitigate the fishes obvious distress and our joy before we slip them back . . .bit of an oxymoron whatever new fangled fish catching device we choose to use or not IMHO . . .
I've listened to Ali and his live this afternoon,he is absolutely panicking...he's telling everyone that's its as safe as any other rig out there, how.much pressure is it going to take to snap them arms off?? to me when he folded them back it looked to bend more than snap....how much weed is it going to take to snap them whilst a fish is attatched to a hook on the other end of it...how does he know how it reacts after a crack off, no way on this earth is that safe being pulled through weed .
In reply to Post #181
I would say it's dead in the water but no water is going to allow them so it's just ****ed
I would say it's dead in the water but no water is going to allow them so it's just ****ed
In reply to Post #181
love his video, when he tried to snap the arm!
It didnt ???????????????????????????????????????????????????/
"its a million % safe"
worst comment ever
love his video, when he tried to snap the arm!
It didnt ???????????????????????????????????????????????????/
"its a million % safe"
worst comment ever
In reply to Post #181
In the fb comments he is now saying they fold back and not snap, retracting from his original claim. Surely this would have been highlighted by field testers, how can something so obvious be missed? If the subject of snagging had been put fwd during developement you would think he would have a hard and fast, confident answer to such and obvious question...but he hadnt... he fluffed it for all to see. Again, why are the field testers not highlighting these issues? Bonkers.
In the fb comments he is now saying they fold back and not snap, retracting from his original claim. Surely this would have been highlighted by field testers, how can something so obvious be missed? If the subject of snagging had been put fwd during developement you would think he would have a hard and fast, confident answer to such and obvious question...but he hadnt... he fluffed it for all to see. Again, why are the field testers not highlighting these issues? Bonkers.
In reply to Post #183
He kept on saying the arms will snap, but he couldn't snap them. A huge PR disaster imo, and tbh, expecting them to have a delayed release with modifications
He kept on saying the arms will snap, but he couldn't snap them. A huge PR disaster imo, and tbh, expecting them to have a delayed release with modifications
In reply to Post #185
looking at he arm design, even at the point of snapping, theres a "Catch" point in the arm pit that will snag
looking at he arm design, even at the point of snapping, theres a "Catch" point in the arm pit that will snag
My Facebook feed has gone into meltdown with this rubbish.
Fisheries everywhere banning it, there is a microsoft team video meeting with Ali and his boy's bigging it up. I can't wait.
Fisheries everywhere banning it, there is a microsoft team video meeting with Ali and his boy's bigging it up. I can't wait.
In reply to Post #186
Those arms need to be made of a plastic with an element of elasticity in for for them to spring and have the desired function, he could not snap them for this reason as it looks like theyve not put a weak point at the base either. Whoops.
Those arms need to be made of a plastic with an element of elasticity in for for them to spring and have the desired function, he could not snap them for this reason as it looks like theyve not put a weak point at the base either. Whoops.
In reply to Post #187
is that on fisheries management page
is that on fisheries management page
In reply to Post #188
they NEED a smooth weak point at the joint
they'd sell more too
they NEED a smooth weak point at the joint
they'd sell more too
In reply to Post #189
Yes mate.
The info for the meeting is there, but then the guy will add you to the email list and send an invite.
Yes mate.
The info for the meeting is there, but then the guy will add you to the email list and send an invite.
In reply to Post #1
the most soulless item of tackle that could possibly be released in this day and age
the most soulless item of tackle that could possibly be released in this day and age
this could could go down aswell as the stove heated sleeping bag that kept popping up on here 🤣🤣🤣
In reply to Post #191
cheers mate
have you got my e-mail
cheers mate
have you got my e-mail
In reply to Post #187
The problem is he wants to be seen as the new lenny Middleton, ie the greatest fishing inventor etc, but in all his haiste, has completely forgotten fish safety in his hurry to get the item out. He's ****ed it right up and will have lost much of sny creditabilty he may have had as a result of this, and to even frantically do live podcasts to show its safe, then fail in his demonstration, shows how unthought the item is
The problem is he wants to be seen as the new lenny Middleton, ie the greatest fishing inventor etc, but in all his haiste, has completely forgotten fish safety in his hurry to get the item out. He's ****ed it right up and will have lost much of sny creditabilty he may have had as a result of this, and to even frantically do live podcasts to show its safe, then fail in his demonstration, shows how unthought the item is
In reply to Post #195
The main problem is simply investors wanting a return
The main problem is simply investors wanting a return
In reply to Post #196
And field testers just telling him what he wants to hear to keep him sweet, either that or he doesnt listen to them.
And field testers just telling him what he wants to hear to keep him sweet, either that or he doesnt listen to them.
In reply to Post #197
Standard desperate wanabes
anything for a free beanie
Standard desperate wanabes
anything for a free beanie
Just been banned on my syndicate, not going well for him so far, and I have nothing at all against him. But seems a bit ill conceived.
In reply to Post #136
This..... exactly what stood out to me when I watched.
Not mentioned on a thread full of posts with agendas as usual; try and be a bit more open minded \ constructive, guys gals.
Anyhows...
When the fish took the bait \ bolts, I didn't see the arms open \ reaction element?
Am I missing something, or did it do what it says on the tin?
This..... exactly what stood out to me when I watched.
Not mentioned on a thread full of posts with agendas as usual; try and be a bit more open minded \ constructive, guys gals.
Anyhows...
When the fish took the bait \ bolts, I didn't see the arms open \ reaction element?
Am I missing something, or did it do what it says on the tin?
Well, this could go down as one of the worst product launches i have witnessed. He ought to have discussed it more with fishery managers before making it so public.
Lets be honest the main thing he has brought to the table is a loaded rig... rigs with some form of elasticity have been around for a long while they just havnt been pre tensioned. In this respect, taking morals out of it, it seems to work. I can understand how it will probably convert more pick-ups.
The main issue he has to address is the safety. That seems to be the number one issue that has come up and i think he will need to go back to the drawing board.
There have already been some good suggestions in this post on how to make it safer.
I do think its a matter of time before this or something like this is brought to market safely. The "box" has been opened at this point. There will only be the morals of the concept to discussed about then. That is an entirely differnt arguemnt in my opinion.
Lets be honest the main thing he has brought to the table is a loaded rig... rigs with some form of elasticity have been around for a long while they just havnt been pre tensioned. In this respect, taking morals out of it, it seems to work. I can understand how it will probably convert more pick-ups.
The main issue he has to address is the safety. That seems to be the number one issue that has come up and i think he will need to go back to the drawing board.
There have already been some good suggestions in this post on how to make it safer.
I do think its a matter of time before this or something like this is brought to market safely. The "box" has been opened at this point. There will only be the morals of the concept to discussed about then. That is an entirely differnt arguemnt in my opinion.
In reply to Post #200
Would you allow it if you owned a fishery?
Would you allow it if you owned a fishery?
My local lake has said until they see 1 in the flesh it won't be banned, which I think is pretty sensible.
In reply to Post #188
Will prob snap when the plastic goes brittle in winter water temps. I Still won't be using it. Looks aloud of cack. And I bet it won't even make the shelves of tackle shops.
Will prob snap when the plastic goes brittle in winter water temps. I Still won't be using it. Looks aloud of cack. And I bet it won't even make the shelves of tackle shops.
Just had a thing come up on my FB feed.. Twigs are banned at Albans Lakes London Colney,.
In reply to Post #204
Crazy Log. It's absolute rubbish
Crazy Log. It's absolute rubbish
Looking at the design, I'm surprised it doesn't have some form of internal system to cock it and perhaps a button to release it when needed..it currently just looks a bit of a mess and I can see why people are concerned about fish safety.
In reply to Post #204
Coking Farm and Festival have banned them along with Brothers Lake in France.
Coking Farm and Festival have banned them along with Brothers Lake in France.
Unfortunately
Some People can't even set up a simple lead clip properly
What chance do they have for this lol
Still not for me
Some People can't even set up a simple lead clip properly
What chance do they have for this lol
Still not for me
In reply to Post #148
It's the safety element that concerns me
Nuff said. Case closed
It's the safety element that concerns me
Nuff said. Case closed
Regardless of thoughts, one thing he has managed to do is get the entire Carp World talking about a product, whether people like it or not 😂
It's not for me personally, however I'm sure in time many will use it, I'd imagine many fisheries stances will soften personally as I'd assume the research has been done regarding fish safety but it's certainly got everyone talking.
Time will tell, maybe we'll be talking about this in 5 years time wondering what all the fuss was about
It's not for me personally, however I'm sure in time many will use it, I'd imagine many fisheries stances will soften personally as I'd assume the research has been done regarding fish safety but it's certainly got everyone talking.
Time will tell, maybe we'll be talking about this in 5 years time wondering what all the fuss was about
In reply to Post #211
the stove heated sleeping bag got everyone talking,that was a **** idea too
the stove heated sleeping bag got everyone talking,that was a **** idea too
Mid 80's around the period of the "spider rig" and the "bungee rig", their was an adaptation of the "bungee rig" based on a very short length of pole elastic about an inch long or a biro spring in a short length of biro tube about 3 inch long that was tensioned and one end of the tube fastened to the lead and the other to your hook length. When a fish pulled on it, it released a pin which caused the elastic or spring to recoil hooking the fish. The hook length was also fastened to the biro tube.
I gave it a miss, it was too much messing about and was unethical and it went into obscurity as fast as it appeared like the bungee rig and spider rig plus on a longish chuck it would "spring" itself unless in a pva bag.
I gave it a miss, it was too much messing about and was unethical and it went into obscurity as fast as it appeared like the bungee rig and spider rig plus on a longish chuck it would "spring" itself unless in a pva bag.
In reply to Post #212
As I say, I don't think this is a great idea 😂😂 I do think however it will end up being just one of those things that is about, and will probably catch fish
As I say, I don't think this is a great idea 😂😂 I do think however it will end up being just one of those things that is about, and will probably catch fish
Reynard has been on the Tins again and is claiming he Invented everything in carp fishing, saying this is a rip off of his inline lead with a bit of pole elastic jammed in it.
I'm going to give it try and see for myself the ifs and buts of its safety.......rather than opinions from the forum no it alls.......
In reply to Post #216
best ask fishery manager first
oh and it "know" it alls
best ask fishery manager first
oh and it "know" it alls
In reply to Post #217
The magic twig.... now you see it now you dont.
The magic twig.... now you see it now you dont.
Ali looks like he's aged 30 years in his latest vid 😳
Heard today their gonna be priced at £10 for 2 of them
In reply to Post #219
I thought that myself,I seen the launch video and the one early this morning...then by lunch Time when he done the rushed q&a session he looks like he's aged 30 years...can only assume there's alot of dollar riding on this.
I thought that myself,I seen the launch video and the one early this morning...then by lunch Time when he done the rushed q&a session he looks like he's aged 30 years...can only assume there's alot of dollar riding on this.
In reply to Post #218
Magic Twig.......
Or Tragic Rig
Magic Twig.......
Or Tragic Rig
In reply to Post #222
more like a **** stick
more like a **** stick
In reply to Post #224
thats normally a Ben Batterburg post
thats normally a Ben Batterburg post
In reply to Post #225
Whether it's safe in a net , whether it's safe after a crack off , whether it's simular to the bungee the morals behind a rat trap going off setting the hook could be a step to far .
The fact that when you land a fish the trap would have been released means you will never know if you have caught because of it , or it was a coincidence when it's happening without the luxury of a camera 🤔 , for that reason it will still sell , but I won't be buying them .
Whether it's safe in a net , whether it's safe after a crack off , whether it's simular to the bungee the morals behind a rat trap going off setting the hook could be a step to far .
The fact that when you land a fish the trap would have been released means you will never know if you have caught because of it , or it was a coincidence when it's happening without the luxury of a camera 🤔 , for that reason it will still sell , but I won't be buying them .
In reply to Post #226
In reply to Post #187
Fisheries everywhere banning it
really already ?
well personally I think thats the right decision its bad enough idiots go fishing /camping get pissed and or high get woken up EVENTUALLY
by a fish thats hooked itself on a hair rig or ronny without the bloody rig deliberately self hooking !!
same as a lot of lake owners banning fake baits that carry on fishing after a snap off
Fisheries everywhere banning it
really already ?
well personally I think thats the right decision its bad enough idiots go fishing /camping get pissed and or high get woken up EVENTUALLY
by a fish thats hooked itself on a hair rig or ronny without the bloody rig deliberately self hooking !!
same as a lot of lake owners banning fake baits that carry on fishing after a snap off
Crazy 🤪 deffo needs a ban, keep it simple. Looks like a death rig to me.
In reply to Post #229
I can see why a few places will ban this off the bat.
I think the principal was good but the design could have been better
I can see why a few places will ban this off the bat.
I think the principal was good but the design could have been better
In reply to Post #215
Now that was a tragic watch
Now that was a tragic watch
In reply to Post #230
Tbh i think a lot of the flack he is getting partly due to the sheer amount of prolonged and over the top promotion and hype for it prior to showing it off on Sunday night.
The bigger you build something the harder it will fall unless you get it 100% right. And for so many to raise the same concerns in such a small amount of time suggests that it isnt 100%.
And he cant complain about such a big backlash after spending several months stuffing "project X" down our throats
As usual i think once it settles down, there will be somewhere in the middle where it will sit between wonder rig and death rig... as with most items of rigs.
Personally i don't see the need to have a self striking device if you have a good enough "self hooking" rig with a sharp hook presented correctly
Tbh i think a lot of the flack he is getting partly due to the sheer amount of prolonged and over the top promotion and hype for it prior to showing it off on Sunday night.
The bigger you build something the harder it will fall unless you get it 100% right. And for so many to raise the same concerns in such a small amount of time suggests that it isnt 100%.
And he cant complain about such a big backlash after spending several months stuffing "project X" down our throats
As usual i think once it settles down, there will be somewhere in the middle where it will sit between wonder rig and death rig... as with most items of rigs.
Personally i don't see the need to have a self striking device if you have a good enough "self hooking" rig with a sharp hook presented correctly
In reply to Post #215
Quote.... Reynard has been on the Tins again and is claiming he Invented everything in carp fishing, saying this is a rip off of his inline lead with a bit of pole elastic jammed in it.
Quote.... Reynard has been on the Tins again and is claiming he Invented everything in carp fishing, saying this is a rip off of his inline lead with a bit of pole elastic jammed in it.
In reply to Post #233
Tbh we are on the edge of morality as we catch fish with sharp hooks , but a self striking device don't sit well with me . His argument about everyone should get in the water or reach in the net and unhook fish to back up his product is grabbing at straws as most of the time this never happens ,on lots of daytickets and club lakes as he well knows . It's demographic targets are fishing such venues , and without doubt see the odd snap off where live rigs will end up actually having the ability to drive the hook home with no help from an angler .
Obviously repeatedly backing up his product by using the owner of Grenville as clearing it will help as he has seen it in action , but some of the claims are farcical as they can't be proved that they would not have been the same without the twig 🤔 , but if I owned a lake they would not be used .
Tbh we are on the edge of morality as we catch fish with sharp hooks , but a self striking device don't sit well with me . His argument about everyone should get in the water or reach in the net and unhook fish to back up his product is grabbing at straws as most of the time this never happens ,on lots of daytickets and club lakes as he well knows . It's demographic targets are fishing such venues , and without doubt see the odd snap off where live rigs will end up actually having the ability to drive the hook home with no help from an angler .
Obviously repeatedly backing up his product by using the owner of Grenville as clearing it will help as he has seen it in action , but some of the claims are farcical as they can't be proved that they would not have been the same without the twig 🤔 , but if I owned a lake they would not be used .
I feel for him, in the light of a new day.
He's set up OMC and has taken what is a brilliant idea and made a total hash of it. Does it look very problematic, yes, but this is the English way, the tipping point to bullying - I fell for it too. Had the initial reaction be, wow, how can we get round the drawbacks, then he could have woken up to the outcome he hoped for, rather than the £1000s of wasted investment.
A small company that got it monumentally wrong, and the video of yesterday compounded the issue - especially the ‘what about this, what about that we stick hooks in fish' it was personal and passionate but very I'll advised.
The good this product launch has done, is shown that more testing, prototypes etc. are needed but with a backdrop of rip off companies and china copying stuff in days. It hopefully has also made a few people understand that elasticity in rigs, used sensibility can be a real edge, certainly one I have employed since the hermit rig - changing to suit particular challenges.
So whilst I too may be enjoying the memes - I do have sympathy for him, and hope he comes back stronger and that the twig in a new guise is a success not just for OMC but for fishing in general. Sometimes, when we are enjoying someone's misery, we should also have enough about ourselves to understand their nights sleep was probably very rough.
He's set up OMC and has taken what is a brilliant idea and made a total hash of it. Does it look very problematic, yes, but this is the English way, the tipping point to bullying - I fell for it too. Had the initial reaction be, wow, how can we get round the drawbacks, then he could have woken up to the outcome he hoped for, rather than the £1000s of wasted investment.
A small company that got it monumentally wrong, and the video of yesterday compounded the issue - especially the ‘what about this, what about that we stick hooks in fish' it was personal and passionate but very I'll advised.
The good this product launch has done, is shown that more testing, prototypes etc. are needed but with a backdrop of rip off companies and china copying stuff in days. It hopefully has also made a few people understand that elasticity in rigs, used sensibility can be a real edge, certainly one I have employed since the hermit rig - changing to suit particular challenges.
So whilst I too may be enjoying the memes - I do have sympathy for him, and hope he comes back stronger and that the twig in a new guise is a success not just for OMC but for fishing in general. Sometimes, when we are enjoying someone's misery, we should also have enough about ourselves to understand their nights sleep was probably very rough.
In reply to Post #236
Elasticity is totally different from a self striking device , it's driving the hook home not just holding it in place , a step to far for me , but I'm old with different standards . People will 100% buy it on the first day , OMC will make bucket loads out of it so he ain't got anything to worry about .
Elasticity is totally different from a self striking device , it's driving the hook home not just holding it in place , a step to far for me , but I'm old with different standards . People will 100% buy it on the first day , OMC will make bucket loads out of it so he ain't got anything to worry about .
In reply to Post #237
Different standards? I am quite happy with my standards and elasticity brings with it a great deal of help regards anti ejection - which is aligned to self hooking.
As per my post, I am not advocating its use, just trying not to jump on the bandwagon and feel a little bit of empathy for OMC and take some positives from the complete car crash that is the twig.
Different standards? I am quite happy with my standards and elasticity brings with it a great deal of help regards anti ejection - which is aligned to self hooking.
As per my post, I am not advocating its use, just trying not to jump on the bandwagon and feel a little bit of empathy for OMC and take some positives from the complete car crash that is the twig.
In reply to Post #238
Although many of us will obviously have lots of concerns about this product, being new an all, and the fact its OMC, of which, like many companies have their haters and fans, it does drive wedges between people.
The post below, is a great post, and one i think we should take note of. when the product becomes available, lots will buy it, so i guess then, the true picture of the product will come to the surface
Although many of us will obviously have lots of concerns about this product, being new an all, and the fact its OMC, of which, like many companies have their haters and fans, it does drive wedges between people.
The post below, is a great post, and one i think we should take note of. when the product becomes available, lots will buy it, so i guess then, the true picture of the product will come to the surface
In reply to Post #233
The official reveal on Sunday showed Twigs in packaging, that looked ready to go.. whole thing was about to be launched and then the consumer reality hit.. its a monumental misjudgement at least.. Think its gone from OMC..to OMG
The official reveal on Sunday showed Twigs in packaging, that looked ready to go.. whole thing was about to be launched and then the consumer reality hit.. its a monumental misjudgement at least.. Think its gone from OMC..to OMG
In reply to Post #237
Yes I'm agreeing with you , elasticated rigs have been used for a very long time but they are totally different from what is effectively a rat trap going off . As iv said he has nothing to worry about , many will buy it .
Yes I'm agreeing with you , elasticated rigs have been used for a very long time but they are totally different from what is effectively a rat trap going off . As iv said he has nothing to worry about , many will buy it .
In reply to Post #241
I don't think they will. Not twice anyway. Imagine having to add pva tape or cable tie before every cast where you give it the biggun, add a nugget or an pva bag. That's the reality. Even those happy to able or allowed to use the product will soon get sick of that.
I don't feel for Ali. Normally I really would, but in this case the product is dangerous.
I don't think they will. Not twice anyway. Imagine having to add pva tape or cable tie before every cast where you give it the biggun, add a nugget or an pva bag. That's the reality. Even those happy to able or allowed to use the product will soon get sick of that.
I don't feel for Ali. Normally I really would, but in this case the product is dangerous.
I wonder how his zoom meeting with fishery owners went last night
In reply to Post #244
For years we have all tried to conceal our rigs leads etc from the might elusive carp son how the hell dos this lump of plastic help in concealment
Mr carp will be laughing his head off when he sees this sitting on the lake bed sorry but to me it's just another item to cause tangles etc plus seen ali explain about using in pva bags realy was the final nail for me
It be like casting a carrier bag
For years we have all tried to conceal our rigs leads etc from the might elusive carp son how the hell dos this lump of plastic help in concealment
Mr carp will be laughing his head off when he sees this sitting on the lake bed sorry but to me it's just another item to cause tangles etc plus seen ali explain about using in pva bags realy was the final nail for me
It be like casting a carrier bag
In reply to Post #245
For the target market it will sell easy , for the weekend angler on a dayticket water that want to put as much chance in his favour as possible they will use without a second thought . When you see lake owners regularly putting up posts about really bad rigs teathering or trailing carp it will be interesting to see their views on this , as people can't be trusted to use things as they were meant .
For the target market it will sell easy , for the weekend angler on a dayticket water that want to put as much chance in his favour as possible they will use without a second thought . When you see lake owners regularly putting up posts about really bad rigs teathering or trailing carp it will be interesting to see their views on this , as people can't be trusted to use things as they were meant .
In reply to Post #244
Last time i saw this much internet frenzy within the carping fraternity, was with the issue of "hormone use". Must admit, the majority of OMC haters greatly outweighs those that reserve judgement. I prefer to use common sense and avoid "certain products", that "might" seem dodgy, and whoever manufactures the item, makes absolutely no difference. I most definately steer away from such gimmicks.
Fisheries have been quick to jump on the bandwagon and ban this item. One question though ... has DF´s klor "bent hook" received this much attention ? "Bent hooks" were banned outright, back in the day, due to so-called mouth damage, which is "enemy number 1", when it comes down to "fish safety", but Korda went against the grain and released it anyway. Have the majority of fisheries banned this item
Don´t matter who the company is, if they release a "potentially dodgy product", without indepth scrutiny, then they deserve all the stick they´re likely to get from the kangaroo court
Personally, i wouldn´t ever consider having such a product in my tackle box, no matter how effective it might seem, but unfortunately, that´s what "modern day carping" has become, ruined by social media whores, outshining the genuine bloggers keeping it real. Looks like OMC have made a BIG blunder marketing this product, with serious repercussions
The ONLY edge an angler will ever need, is experience over time, learning from your mistakes and adjusting accordingly, due to the circumstances thrown before you, on any given day. Common sense & etiquette is definately lacking nowadays, unfortunately.
Last time i saw this much internet frenzy within the carping fraternity, was with the issue of "hormone use". Must admit, the majority of OMC haters greatly outweighs those that reserve judgement. I prefer to use common sense and avoid "certain products", that "might" seem dodgy, and whoever manufactures the item, makes absolutely no difference. I most definately steer away from such gimmicks.
Fisheries have been quick to jump on the bandwagon and ban this item. One question though ... has DF´s klor "bent hook" received this much attention ? "Bent hooks" were banned outright, back in the day, due to so-called mouth damage, which is "enemy number 1", when it comes down to "fish safety", but Korda went against the grain and released it anyway. Have the majority of fisheries banned this item
Don´t matter who the company is, if they release a "potentially dodgy product", without indepth scrutiny, then they deserve all the stick they´re likely to get from the kangaroo court Personally, i wouldn´t ever consider having such a product in my tackle box, no matter how effective it might seem, but unfortunately, that´s what "modern day carping" has become, ruined by social media whores, outshining the genuine bloggers keeping it real. Looks like OMC have made a BIG blunder marketing this product, with serious repercussions
The ONLY edge an angler will ever need, is experience over time, learning from your mistakes and adjusting accordingly, due to the circumstances thrown before you, on any given day. Common sense & etiquette is definately lacking nowadays, unfortunately.
I wonder what type of water this has been tested on. He mentions Grenville which are obviously big fish, but has it been tested on small fish on the runs type waters a lot of the new anglers start out on. The type of place which are generally much smaller and younger fish with softer mouths. There are a couple of these places near to me and the mouths are so soft I can see them getting torn up , especially when using the small barbless hooks these places generally want you to use.
I think these will appeal to the younger camping angling crew who are there for the booze and social as much as the fishing. They are probably the target consumer anyway for OMC products and other social media advertising brands like Korda.
In reply to Post #249
1,2,3... Here come "cheap" copies...
1,2,3... Here come "cheap" copies...
In reply to Post #249
Unfortunately, the "instant angler" dominating most waters nowadays, will jump on this product without hesitation Technical advancement is inevitable, BUT, should be an alternative for those "physically challenged", and not an outright replacement. Right tool for the right job, in the right hands ... "nail gun" or "hammer and nail" Well, used wisely and correctly, shouldn´t matter In this case ... Magic Twig gets a for me personally.
Unfortunately, the "instant angler" dominating most waters nowadays, will jump on this product without hesitation
Technical advancement is inevitable, BUT, should be an alternative for those "physically challenged", and not an outright replacement. Right tool for the right job, in the right hands ... "nail gun" or "hammer and nail" Well, used wisely and correctly, shouldn´t matter In this case ... Magic Twig gets a for me personally.
I honestly don't want to see anyone struggle and have nothing against Ali Hamidi but this is a case of a lot of time and money being invested in a product that has to work, hence the scurry on social media to say how safe the product is. Anyone that has a modicum of intelligence combined with fishing experience can see straight away that those prongs will go straight through landing net mesh and snag, even if he claims these will snap they'll still be snagged potentially damaging fishes mouths, especially if they try and power off in the net .. in recent years it's all been about fish welfare and using kit that is safer to use .. OMC has just released a product that goes completely against that in my opinion 👍
In reply to Post #48
There's 3 versions...light, medium and heavy triggered from 4.5oz, 6.5oz and 8.5oz of tension.
So in theory the heavy triggered with 5oz of lead is exerting 13.5oz of force on the hook? seems savage in my mind.
There's 3 versions...light, medium and heavy triggered from 4.5oz, 6.5oz and 8.5oz of tension.
So in theory the heavy triggered with 5oz of lead is exerting 13.5oz of force on the hook? seems savage in my mind.
In reply to Post #247
Not quite sure the klor hook is anywhere near the same as the bent hooks that were banned. Werent they long shank nailers types, and actually hook bent at 45 degrees? And the issues with the moth damage, was more from snagging in the net? Not sure the klor is long enough to contribute towards that. I dont use klor hooks fyi
Not quite sure the klor hook is anywhere near the same as the bent hooks that were banned. Werent they long shank nailers types, and actually hook bent at 45 degrees? And the issues with the moth damage, was more from snagging in the net? Not sure the klor is long enough to contribute towards that. I dont use klor hooks fyi
In reply to Post #253
How is it anymore savage than reeling one in? Snag fishing?
How is it anymore savage than reeling one in? Snag fishing?
Before i comment, this product is not for me. I wont be buying them, im not sure its a product the fishing world needed.
But as per normal with this forum, and modern society as a whole, there seems to be a lot of a lot of strong opinion on this product, and none of it coming from any hands on experience. Theres a lot of people allowing their negative feelings on Ali Hamidi to come into their preformed opinion on this aswell. I feel the backlash on this would be far less if someone else had released this.
Lets not be those middle class white kids jumping on a bad wagon to protest about whats in vogue to protest about, with little to no real information.
2 things, lets at least try and give him some credit, that fish safety was considered when coming up with this, he is a carp angler afterall, so has hopefully considered this. Time will tell otherwise. He talks about unhooking the fish in the net straight away. Anyone who gives a slight toss about mouth damage should be doing this the best they can every time. Wether its unhooking it, or if not possible, removing as much of the line and rig components as possible, before handling the fish and lifting it anywhere.
And its something new, its not just a twist on something everyone else makes. Its a genuine different idea.
As said, not for me, but ill reserve judgement till i actually see one in the flesh, and have something to base my opinions on
But as per normal with this forum, and modern society as a whole, there seems to be a lot of a lot of strong opinion on this product, and none of it coming from any hands on experience. Theres a lot of people allowing their negative feelings on Ali Hamidi to come into their preformed opinion on this aswell. I feel the backlash on this would be far less if someone else had released this.
Lets not be those middle class white kids jumping on a bad wagon to protest about whats in vogue to protest about, with little to no real information.
2 things, lets at least try and give him some credit, that fish safety was considered when coming up with this, he is a carp angler afterall, so has hopefully considered this. Time will tell otherwise. He talks about unhooking the fish in the net straight away. Anyone who gives a slight toss about mouth damage should be doing this the best they can every time. Wether its unhooking it, or if not possible, removing as much of the line and rig components as possible, before handling the fish and lifting it anywhere.
And its something new, its not just a twist on something everyone else makes. Its a genuine different idea.
As said, not for me, but ill reserve judgement till i actually see one in the flesh, and have something to base my opinions on
I'm hoping there will be a case to store my twigs in released also 🫢
In reply to Post #255
True
True
Matt Collins and myself challenged several aspects of the device with Ali and Mike in the video call.
Ali's main defence was that many things we use can add a degree of risk to the fish if used. I said that this is adding a further level of risk, and it's something that really isn't need edge.
So increasing the percentage of risk to a fish just seems unacceptable.
For fishery managers and owners the fish welfare must come first. Many old school anglers on better quality waters will also care for the fish and want to look after them for years to come.
I told Ali that his customers would probably come from the day ticket anglers who chase a quick result at any cost, as they will catch what they want and then move to another fishery, they don't have the 'connection' with the fish stocks.
I don't doubt it will convert a few pick ups into runs that may have otherwise been ejected, but this is greatly outweighed by the increased risk of mouth damage from picking up weed or snags, and especially once the fish is in the net. Any thrashing in the net and the device can easily snag the mesh and cause extensive mouth damage.
For me it's just an unacceptable extra risk.
Ali's main defence was that many things we use can add a degree of risk to the fish if used. I said that this is adding a further level of risk, and it's something that really isn't need edge.
So increasing the percentage of risk to a fish just seems unacceptable.
For fishery managers and owners the fish welfare must come first. Many old school anglers on better quality waters will also care for the fish and want to look after them for years to come.
I told Ali that his customers would probably come from the day ticket anglers who chase a quick result at any cost, as they will catch what they want and then move to another fishery, they don't have the 'connection' with the fish stocks.
I don't doubt it will convert a few pick ups into runs that may have otherwise been ejected, but this is greatly outweighed by the increased risk of mouth damage from picking up weed or snags, and especially once the fish is in the net. Any thrashing in the net and the device can easily snag the mesh and cause extensive mouth damage.
For me it's just an unacceptable extra risk.
In reply to Post #259
No idea who matt collins is or of his importance to your post. And in the interest of a balanced argument, what were Alis responses to those points raised?
No idea who matt collins is or of his importance to your post. And in the interest of a balanced argument, what were Alis responses to those points raised?
In reply to Post #260
Isn't he the one who owns the French carp lake?
Beau solei or whatever it's called ?
Isn't he the one who owns the French carp lake?
Beau solei or whatever it's called ?
In reply to Post #259
From your comments, referencing his reply... sounds like he doesn't really have a firm defence / argument. I am honestly baffled that they looked at their design, with the prongs and didn't realise the potential issues.
The fact they soldiered on suggests to me they are either deluded in their own hype, or blinded by money.... or both, and this is why I have no time for him.
From your comments, referencing his reply... sounds like he doesn't really have a firm defence / argument. I am honestly baffled that they looked at their design, with the prongs and didn't realise the potential issues.
The fact they soldiered on suggests to me they are either deluded in their own hype, or blinded by money.... or both, and this is why I have no time for him.
In reply to Post #262
Just trying to save their job at this point I would imagine.
Just trying to save their job at this point I would imagine.
In reply to Post #261
Yes, that's him. He has a YouTube channel, he is very analytical in his approach.
https://m.youtube.com/@matthewcollinsangler
And wrt Ali's response to our concerns, he said that many aspects of carp fishing had some level of risk and this is no worse that others....
I said that this is an additional level of risk, on top of whatever else an angler is doing, so it then multiplies the risk percentage.
Omc are committed to the product so I don't expect them to agree that it is a hazard to hooked fish. Ali says the item is already in production and the tooling is done for this and the other alternative devices (for different lead set ups) so it's very unlikely that any alterations will be made.
Yes, that's him. He has a YouTube channel, he is very analytical in his approach.
https://m.youtube.com/@matthewcollinsangler
And wrt Ali's response to our concerns, he said that many aspects of carp fishing had some level of risk and this is no worse that others....
I said that this is an additional level of risk, on top of whatever else an angler is doing, so it then multiplies the risk percentage.
Omc are committed to the product so I don't expect them to agree that it is a hazard to hooked fish. Ali says the item is already in production and the tooling is done for this and the other alternative devices (for different lead set ups) so it's very unlikely that any alterations will be made.
In reply to Post #262
Even just reversing the prongs would make it 'look' safer
Even just reversing the prongs would make it 'look' safer
In reply to Post #263
OMC have huge financial backing, their accounts show over £750k cash in the bank, so I think they are probably going to be ok, but what it means is that the marketing drive will carry on regardless.
OMC have huge financial backing, their accounts show over £750k cash in the bank, so I think they are probably going to be ok, but what it means is that the marketing drive will carry on regardless.
In reply to Post #265
The arms going one way are a weed collector when you are attached to the fish...
The arms going the other way are a weed collector if you have a break off....
Although the arms can bend back it still leaves a shorter but stiffer section that will collect weed and catch on any branch.
Ali tried to compare it to a lead clip that had dropped the lead and the lead retaining arm was facing back towards the angler. It all sounded like clutching at straws.
When the issue of it being a self striking device and would fall foul of the salmon and freshwater fisheries act he said it was a matter of degrees, but would speak with a mate of his at the angling trust and try and get some clarification.
So it seems that they were unaware of this possible issue...
The arms going one way are a weed collector when you are attached to the fish...
The arms going the other way are a weed collector if you have a break off....
Although the arms can bend back it still leaves a shorter but stiffer section that will collect weed and catch on any branch.
Ali tried to compare it to a lead clip that had dropped the lead and the lead retaining arm was facing back towards the angler. It all sounded like clutching at straws.
When the issue of it being a self striking device and would fall foul of the salmon and freshwater fisheries act he said it was a matter of degrees, but would speak with a mate of his at the angling trust and try and get some clarification.
So it seems that they were unaware of this possible issue...
In reply to Post #262
You and me too Vince, I still can't get over how utterly desperate one would have to be to even bring such a contraption to market.
The even more worrying fact is he thinks masses of “people who fish for Carp” (I can't even type Carp Anglers) would be desperate enough to actually use it, what the hell was he thinking??????
What's wrong with a simple basic Startle Rig??? It does just the same in a totally safe way, and has done for decades just using the weight of the Lead.
You and me too Vince, I still can't get over how utterly desperate one would have to be to even bring such a contraption to market.
The even more worrying fact is he thinks masses of “people who fish for Carp” (I can't even type Carp Anglers) would be desperate enough to actually use it, what the hell was he thinking??????
What's wrong with a simple basic Startle Rig??? It does just the same in a totally safe way, and has done for decades just using the weight of the Lead.
In reply to Post #268
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ChasingChunks/permalink/6745952372123117/
looks like this contraption has already proven what people are saying regarding fish safety....Read the comments
looks like this contraption has already proven what people are saying regarding fish safety....Read the comments
In reply to Post #266
Omc might be ok but cant imagine any owner tolerating employes that come up with such a fail.
Omc might be ok but cant imagine any owner tolerating employes that come up with such a fail.
In reply to Post #270
Being devils advocate it proves nowt! It's a crack-off, they happen all the time, twig or no twig!!
Being devils advocate it proves nowt! It's a crack-off, they happen all the time, twig or no twig!!
In reply to Post #270
Seem a far more rational and open minded bunch on there than we have on here. Hardly damning evidence of anything is it, and a lot more open minded discussion taking place
Seem a far more rational and open minded bunch on there than we have on here. Hardly damning evidence of anything is it, and a lot more open minded discussion taking place
In reply to Post #273
This happened at a French lake 'Prunet' OMC were using to test the twig, snspped off over 100m of line with the rig. Said rig was found with trailing fish. The angler found out OMC had been there thebweek before and contacted Ali H with a pic of the rig etc, who asked him not to show or tell anyone about it. I havevseen the messages from him about it. It's a dangerous rig in the wrong hands or a dangerous rig in the right hands who have an accident
This happened at a French lake 'Prunet' OMC were using to test the twig, snspped off over 100m of line with the rig. Said rig was found with trailing fish. The angler found out OMC had been there thebweek before and contacted Ali H with a pic of the rig etc, who asked him not to show or tell anyone about it. I havevseen the messages from him about it. It's a dangerous rig in the wrong hands or a dangerous rig in the right hands who have an accident
In reply to Post #275
Messages ive seen on facebook make no mention of a trailing fish. Just being snagged up on it.
And its something he was trying to keep under wraps for promotional and patent reasons. Of course he would ask for it not to be made public. People are jumping to conclusions to help push an agenda
Messages ive seen on facebook make no mention of a trailing fish. Just being snagged up on it.
And its something he was trying to keep under wraps for promotional and patent reasons. Of course he would ask for it not to be made public. People are jumping to conclusions to help push an agenda
In reply to Post #276
Have you pre ordered some
Have you pre ordered some
In reply to Post #277
No, i just dont jump on band wagons. I try and base my decisions and opinions on facts, not the tripe spouted on the internet.
When any of the experts on here actually get theirs hands on one of these, i might take into account what they say. Until then, ill reserve judgement
No, i just dont jump on band wagons. I try and base my decisions and opinions on facts, not the tripe spouted on the internet.
When any of the experts on here actually get theirs hands on one of these, i might take into account what they say. Until then, ill reserve judgement
In reply to Post #1
Zero sympathy.
All that hype, and the vast majority who are looking at the product can see through the pushy Marketing 101 bull****. The safety aspects should have been discussed on release before GenPop stuck their oar in. It would have saved all this. Then again, it's Ali. The tears, the bombastic language, and the whole cloak and dagger ******** surrounding the product came first.
"We have this brilliant thing. You cannot see it, but trust me, it's changed my life and it'll change yours. Just pay us £10 and you too can be in the same catatonic state like me.....just watch these videos as proof!"
Exactly the same narrative as the nutnuts preaching on religious channels.
Zero sympathy.
All that hype, and the vast majority who are looking at the product can see through the pushy Marketing 101 bull****. The safety aspects should have been discussed on release before GenPop stuck their oar in. It would have saved all this. Then again, it's Ali. The tears, the bombastic language, and the whole cloak and dagger ******** surrounding the product came first.
"We have this brilliant thing. You cannot see it, but trust me, it's changed my life and it'll change yours. Just pay us £10 and you too can be in the same catatonic state like me.....just watch these videos as proof!"
Exactly the same narrative as the nutnuts preaching on religious channels.
In reply to Post #276
Compared to many lead set ups, this is probably the least safe. I just cannot see how a carp can storm into a thick weed bed and get itself back out in the event of a crack off.
Those "breakable" arms add another element of tethering, even if the lead is ejected. There are far far safer lead set ups.
Just watched the footage of the Grenville fish picking up the hookbait. "There's none of this head shaking on the spot". Mate, it shook its head four times, plus the poxy thing doesn't even engage when the lead is dragged across the lovely clean bottom after the hook is already buried in the fishes lip.
Oh well, at least you can say you've made carp fishing history by catching the biggest carp on an underwater camera eh?
Compared to many lead set ups, this is probably the least safe. I just cannot see how a carp can storm into a thick weed bed and get itself back out in the event of a crack off.
Those "breakable" arms add another element of tethering, even if the lead is ejected. There are far far safer lead set ups.
Just watched the footage of the Grenville fish picking up the hookbait. "There's none of this head shaking on the spot". Mate, it shook its head four times, plus the poxy thing doesn't even engage when the lead is dragged across the lovely clean bottom after the hook is already buried in the fishes lip.
Oh well, at least you can say you've made carp fishing history by catching the biggest carp on an underwater camera eh?
In reply to Post #278
What facts do you need,anyone with eyes and half a brain can see its dangerous.I hope it gets banned from every water in the country
What facts do you need,anyone with eyes and half a brain can see its dangerous.I hope it gets banned from every water in the country
In reply to Post #281
The rate it's going that will be more of less there within a matter of days . Omc are going to take a big hit on this I think
The rate it's going that will be more of less there within a matter of days . Omc are going to take a big hit on this I think
In reply to Post #282
It's massive!!
It's massive!!
In reply to Post #281
Just been banned on both BCSG waters too.
Just been banned on both BCSG waters too.
In reply to Post #280
It wasn't a Grenville fish...
It wasn't a Grenville fish...
Safety aside, actually looking at it, I can't see how it has any benefit at all.
It looks like you have to pull the elastic to set it, and the two prongs them lock it in place. Say the elastic took 2lb of pressure to pull into that position, it looks like it then needs just over 2lb of pressure to then pull the elastic a little bit further so that it can release. If does nothing that it wouldn't do if those 2 prongs weren't there.
Now, it if was like a mouse trap, and took a tiny amount of pressure to release, bit then suddenly hit with a full force of the 2lb of elastic, I could see that having some kind of benefit. Unless I'm missing something I don't see that it does anything at all?
It's like that hermit rig. All the elastic does is slow down the time it takes untill the fish feels the full weight of the lead. The elastic can't apply any pressure like people seem to think. It can't apply more pressure than the lead already does. The only reason that it works, we'll, I'm not convinced it does, but the only thing it does is to soften the lead during head shakes.
It looks like you have to pull the elastic to set it, and the two prongs them lock it in place. Say the elastic took 2lb of pressure to pull into that position, it looks like it then needs just over 2lb of pressure to then pull the elastic a little bit further so that it can release. If does nothing that it wouldn't do if those 2 prongs weren't there.
Now, it if was like a mouse trap, and took a tiny amount of pressure to release, bit then suddenly hit with a full force of the 2lb of elastic, I could see that having some kind of benefit. Unless I'm missing something I don't see that it does anything at all?
It's like that hermit rig. All the elastic does is slow down the time it takes untill the fish feels the full weight of the lead. The elastic can't apply any pressure like people seem to think. It can't apply more pressure than the lead already does. The only reason that it works, we'll, I'm not convinced it does, but the only thing it does is to soften the lead during head shakes.
In reply to Post #281
Not just this country I saw a French lake post not to bring them
Not just this country I saw a French lake post not to bring them
In reply to Post #287
Felt a bit too harsh saying all carp waters around the globe
Felt a bit too harsh saying all carp waters around the globe
In reply to Post #286
I sort of agree - but the hermit and the way I use elastic isn't to increase shock, it is to take up the slack between the hook and the lead, to stop the small amount of slack that allows a fish to shake out the hook, usually without coming into contact of the lead. It's very easy to shake a hook out on mono but try the same with a bit of thin pole elastic and it's a lot tougher even as a human!
I sort of agree - but the hermit and the way I use elastic isn't to increase shock, it is to take up the slack between the hook and the lead, to stop the small amount of slack that allows a fish to shake out the hook, usually without coming into contact of the lead. It's very easy to shake a hook out on mono but try the same with a bit of thin pole elastic and it's a lot tougher even as a human!
Wonder what mr fairbrass thinks about it / will embryo ban it!? I also think we will be seeing a lot of bailiffs rig checking now! 
it's hideous what planet is hamidi on!!
it's hideous what planet is hamidi on!!
ive seen 2.fisheries coming out and supporting it tonight
In reply to Post #291
Which ones? I've been having a discussion with a mate of mine and we both agree it's various dangerous properties and it's pointlessness as we see it in fishing
Which ones? I've been having a discussion with a mate of mine and we both agree it's various dangerous properties and it's pointlessness as we see it in fishing
In reply to Post #292
parkfield on the wirral and todber Manor fisheries,both showing alis latest reel catching a fish saying how safe it is
parkfield on the wirral and todber Manor fisheries,both showing alis latest reel catching a fish saying how safe it is
In reply to Post #293
I'll be staying away from it and them then, thanks
I'll be staying away from it and them then, thanks
In reply to Post #293
Parkfield is my local
Parkfield is my local
I think I'll stick to side hooked par-boiled potatoes and leave the plastic nick nacks to fat Simmo chasers
In reply to Post #293
That will be a fishery that sells the full range of OMC 🤔
That will be a fishery that sells the full range of OMC 🤔
I'm guessing when or if fairbrass bans them on his waters it could be world war 3
I genuinely cannot understand ?
why any self respecting Angler would ever want a spring loaded self hooking device ?
I mean what level of satisfaction can you get from it ? oh I cast that in exactly the right spot with the right bait and when to bed and wondered if I would get woken up by a fish being hooked for me !
why any self respecting Angler would ever want a spring loaded self hooking device ?
I mean what level of satisfaction can you get from it ? oh I cast that in exactly the right spot with the right bait and when to bed and wondered if I would get woken up by a fish being hooked for me !
In reply to Post #299
there is a new clip on the OMC insta of Ali playing a fish caught with the "help" of the twig and to me it looks like the arms did not even spring open, and when he is unhooking the fish in the net he is trying to cover the twig with his hand the whole time... surely you would show it to the camera in full detail if it had worked and not hide it, especially when all you talk about the whole clip is that bloody thing and how great it is
there is a new clip on the OMC insta of Ali playing a fish caught with the "help" of the twig and to me it looks like the arms did not even spring open, and when he is unhooking the fish in the net he is trying to cover the twig with his hand the whole time... surely you would show it to the camera in full detail if it had worked and not hide it, especially when all you talk about the whole clip is that bloody thing and how great it is
In reply to Post #299
My thoughts fella , and I put that to Ali saying at that point we are just turning up to light the BBQ , which he laughed at 🙄. Aside the thought of snapped of rigs being very much live out in the water , the actual fact of having basically a rat trap going off is a step to far for me .
But that's me , and I'm not the target punter I'm sure , if others feel the need crack on
My thoughts fella , and I put that to Ali saying at that point we are just turning up to light the BBQ , which he laughed at 🙄. Aside the thought of snapped of rigs being very much live out in the water , the actual fact of having basically a rat trap going off is a step to far for me .
But that's me , and I'm not the target punter I'm sure , if others feel the need crack on
OMC has just released the new box for holding the Magic Twig. I believe it can hold over 50,000
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ali is saying that the magic clip from being closed to then the arms opening is only 1.3cm, he said thats the reason why it they look closed
Plus - as the arms now snap easily if stuck in the net or snagged, and they are a tenner for two(?) - that will make an insanely expensive fishing trip if you're dumping a lead and replacing a twig every time you catch a fish. They'll all be looking for bait at £3 a kilo now!
Great marketing
Great marketing
Does anybody know the actual legal entity of One More Cast as i can't find it at Companies House Under that name (or OMC Ltd) nor can I find an Ali Hamidi listed as a Director for anything resembling that name?
Many thanks.
Many thanks.
In reply to Post #305
Nocturnal flow
Nocturnal flow
For what it's worth, I'm happy to see fisheries anywhere/everywhere ban the creation/abomination. Surely its better for a fishery to ban it in a pre emptive move to eliminate the risk of POTENTIAL issues with snagging or fouling before any more damage to mouths occur?? We all know of trailers in venues that can cause horrendous scarring etc...let's NOT risk contributing to the threat!
In reply to Post #307
I think as a salesman, Ali deserves some credit. He could literally sell ice to Eskimos..... or in this case, magic twigs to noddys.
I think as a salesman, Ali deserves some credit. He could literally sell ice to Eskimos..... or in this case, magic twigs to noddys.
In reply to Post #305
They have obviously formed a subsidiary company.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/2mdpRfWoamv95jRGZ7Jn90Y-TrU/appointments
They have obviously formed a subsidiary company.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/2mdpRfWoamv95jRGZ7Jn90Y-TrU/appointments
In reply to Post #309
Companies often have a different online trading name.
Companies often have a different online trading name.
In reply to Post #308
Not disputing his ability to sell one bit, but I wasn't questioning that. My concern lies with potential issues arising from its use and the wise IMO move for fisheries to ban it before release.
Not disputing his ability to sell one bit, but I wasn't questioning that. My concern lies with potential issues arising from its use and the wise IMO move for fisheries to ban it before release.
In reply to Post #311
This is the thing, our hobby / the industry doesn't need good salesmen. It needs good products.
This is the thing, our hobby / the industry doesn't need good salesmen. It needs good products.
In reply to Post #312
Agreed but there's so many gullible people out there attracted to fishing by gadgets, social media and shiny toys.
Agreed but there's so many gullible people out there attracted to fishing by gadgets, social media and shiny toys.
https://www.anglingtimes.co.uk/news/stories/carp-angling-community-divided-over-omcs-recently-revealed-magic-twig-product/#
Angling Times article which puts both sides of the argument without hysteria.
Just for balance.
Angling Times article which puts both sides of the argument without hysteria.
Just for balance.
In reply to Post #314
OK I've changed my mind.
I've got my GPS bait boat, fish finder, drone, underwater camera and now this.
Just need something to reel in and land the fish and the jobs a goodun
OK I've changed my mind.
I've got my GPS bait boat, fish finder, drone, underwater camera and now this.
Just need something to reel in and land the fish and the jobs a goodun
In reply to Post #315
there are electric reels available to sea anglers so have the reeling in problem solved there
there are electric reels available to sea anglers so have the reeling in problem solved there
In reply to Post #315
Read my post 171
Just trying to add balance with the AT article and reduce the amount of foam and spittle flying about.
Also good debates on Maggot Drowners, carp squad and Barbel Fishing World amongst others.
Read my post 171
Just trying to add balance with the AT article and reduce the amount of foam and spittle flying about.
Also good debates on Maggot Drowners, carp squad and Barbel Fishing World amongst others.
In reply to Post #317
The only debate is around the ethics of an automatic hooking rig. That's an interesting debate. Would I use one, no.....but I would have done when I was younger and hungrier. There's arguments on both sides.
There's no debating this magic twig though. It's a terrible product. It will rip fish mouths in the mesh.....NO DOUBT of it.
What will kill the product sadly isn't the ethics re fish damage m, it will be the fact that it just doesn't work and has to be pva taped before every cast.
The only debate is around the ethics of an automatic hooking rig. That's an interesting debate. Would I use one, no.....but I would have done when I was younger and hungrier. There's arguments on both sides.
There's no debating this magic twig though. It's a terrible product. It will rip fish mouths in the mesh.....NO DOUBT of it.
What will kill the product sadly isn't the ethics re fish damage m, it will be the fact that it just doesn't work and has to be pva taped before every cast.
In reply to Post #317
Sorry although I replied to your post my comments weren't directed at you and yes you had already said what I said in171
Thanks for the link
Sorry although I replied to your post my comments weren't directed at you and yes you had already said what I said in171
Thanks for the link
https://carpsquad.com/one-more-cast-magic-twig/?utm_content=cmp-true
This is another article as mention in post 314
This addresses both sides of the issue also. What is particularly interesting is the writers assessment of the followers of innovation and ‘improvements' (his words not mine) in carp angling versus the view of old school anglers who been around a while and don't buy in to the ‘catch at any cost' viewpoint.
The safety concerns are bullet point also. Quite a well written article
This is another article as mention in post 314
This addresses both sides of the issue also. What is particularly interesting is the writers assessment of the followers of innovation and ‘improvements' (his words not mine) in carp angling versus the view of old school anglers who been around a while and don't buy in to the ‘catch at any cost' viewpoint.
The safety concerns are bullet point also. Quite a well written article
Can't help thinking that Mr Hamidi will be grinning at the fact that this thread runs to 8 pages after just a few days.
This gadget 'strikes' for the angler, and as such is unethical? Really? Isn't that just an evolution of what most modern rigs do already?
I can only speak for myself, but I haven't 'struck' a run for years. I dash to the rod (probably unnecessarily when not fishing near snags), pick up the rod and tighten the spool. Maybe everyone else is sitting next to their rods striking at any movement of the line where it enters the water, but I doubt it.
I first heard the whole 'unethical' argument in the late 70s/early 80s when the idea of bite alarms was viewed with outrage by some. I'm sure the same eye rolling and tutting took place with the introduction of monofilament lines, the fixed spool reel, and all the way back to the first metal hook - I'm sure they were viewed as cheating by the hooks-carved-out-of-snail-shell KIR brigade.
I can't imagine Ali Hamidi flogging something which would really put fish in danger. Like him or loathe him, he's not satan.
What are the chances of 'a design tweak to address concerns' which sees the arms snap off as soon as they get bent back a fraction. Very few would survive the landing of a fish, and they're five quid each. Fish care and turnover guaranteed!
This gadget 'strikes' for the angler, and as such is unethical? Really? Isn't that just an evolution of what most modern rigs do already?
I can only speak for myself, but I haven't 'struck' a run for years. I dash to the rod (probably unnecessarily when not fishing near snags), pick up the rod and tighten the spool. Maybe everyone else is sitting next to their rods striking at any movement of the line where it enters the water, but I doubt it.
I first heard the whole 'unethical' argument in the late 70s/early 80s when the idea of bite alarms was viewed with outrage by some. I'm sure the same eye rolling and tutting took place with the introduction of monofilament lines, the fixed spool reel, and all the way back to the first metal hook - I'm sure they were viewed as cheating by the hooks-carved-out-of-snail-shell KIR brigade.
I can't imagine Ali Hamidi flogging something which would really put fish in danger. Like him or loathe him, he's not satan.
What are the chances of 'a design tweak to address concerns' which sees the arms snap off as soon as they get bent back a fraction. Very few would survive the landing of a fish, and they're five quid each. Fish care and turnover guaranteed!
In reply to Post #321
Even putting to one side the obvious increased possibility of fish damage the practicalities of it aren't good either. To fish any distance the arms need to be pva'd, now I'm not a bad caster but we all need a few attempts to hit the spot so how's that going to work, re tying pva to a wet magic stick with wet hands after each cast ??!!
And if fishing a weedy water, he says the prongs bend back and snap when going through weed and even if the survive that they're then likely to go through the mesh of a landing net, again he says they will snap when bent back, so you've now netted your fish, a prong goes through the mesh, the fish trys to power off in the net and supposedly the prongs bend and snap. At 3 or 5 quid each not only are they not good for fish welfare, they'd be a ridiculously expensive way of fishing if you fish a weedy lake and catch a lot of fish ??!!
Even putting to one side the obvious increased possibility of fish damage the practicalities of it aren't good either. To fish any distance the arms need to be pva'd, now I'm not a bad caster but we all need a few attempts to hit the spot so how's that going to work, re tying pva to a wet magic stick with wet hands after each cast ??!!
And if fishing a weedy water, he says the prongs bend back and snap when going through weed and even if the survive that they're then likely to go through the mesh of a landing net, again he says they will snap when bent back, so you've now netted your fish, a prong goes through the mesh, the fish trys to power off in the net and supposedly the prongs bend and snap. At 3 or 5 quid each not only are they not good for fish welfare, they'd be a ridiculously expensive way of fishing if you fish a weedy lake and catch a lot of fish ??!!
In reply to Post #322
They won't snap or bend back in the mesh. The mesh will catch on the end of the arm nearest to the main body of the twig. The strongest part. The angles will be totally against it snapping. It will catch nearly every time, often at the top of the mesh. They know it's a big problem hence the back peddling re everybody should unhook the carp in the net in the water.....which most don't do!
They won't snap or bend back in the mesh. The mesh will catch on the end of the arm nearest to the main body of the twig. The strongest part. The angles will be totally against it snapping. It will catch nearly every time, often at the top of the mesh. They know it's a big problem hence the back peddling re everybody should unhook the carp in the net in the water.....which most don't do!
Ps has anybody else seen the Hitler video on Instagram. It is beyond funny!
In reply to Post #323
As I said, even for us that do unhook in the net you can not account for a fish powering off in the net after you've just netted it, it's a product that's not needed and will cause a lot of issues ...
As I said, even for us that do unhook in the net you can not account for a fish powering off in the net after you've just netted it, it's a product that's not needed and will cause a lot of issues ...
In reply to Post #324
Had me in stitches yesterday
Had me in stitches yesterday
In reply to Post #321
Can't help thinking that Mr Hamidi will be grinning at the fact that this thread runs to 8 pages after just a few days.
I know one lot who will be - Poachers!!! What a gift they have been given, no need for visible Bungee's pegged to the bank anymore.
Can't help thinking that Mr Hamidi will be grinning at the fact that this thread runs to 8 pages after just a few days.
I know one lot who will be - Poachers!!! What a gift they have been given, no need for visible Bungee's pegged to the bank anymore.
In reply to Post #324
Funniest thing I've seen in ages
Funniest thing I've seen in ages
In reply to Post #323
in the fb reel that hamidi released yesterday, he unhooks the fish in the net that often he had to take his watch off for the one he had on film
in the fb reel that hamidi released yesterday, he unhooks the fish in the net that often he had to take his watch off for the one he had on film
In reply to Post #324
any link
any link
In reply to Post #329
Hes full of ****,watched some old videos and he never unhooked the fish in the net on the ones I watched
Hes full of ****,watched some old videos and he never unhooked the fish in the net on the ones I watched
In reply to Post #327
That thought occurred to me too . A missed market opportunity no doubt.
Might be a market in the American prepper/ zombie apocalypse market; but they probably just use circle hooks,which do the same job. If your going to catch a fish , and come back a day or two later ,to kill and eat it, fish safety kind of goes out of the equation.
That thought occurred to me too . A missed market opportunity no doubt.
Might be a market in the American prepper/ zombie apocalypse market; but they probably just use circle hooks,which do the same job. If your going to catch a fish , and come back a day or two later ,to kill and eat it, fish safety kind of goes out of the equation.
In reply to Post #330
I'd love to see the Hitler video.
If no links how about the title we can search for
I'd love to see the Hitler video.
If no links how about the title we can search for
In reply to Post #333
I saw it on Instagram. Can't recall whose feed it was on. Worth finding. It's brutal!
I saw it on Instagram. Can't recall whose feed it was on. Worth finding. It's brutal!
In reply to Post #333
I've got it saved on my phone but can I upload it here or would I need a link?
I've got it saved on my phone but can I upload it here or would I need a link?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0Uu39kBxeUWnMjw2Mg9WH89U3raHHgk27c67XPYcoT3iejHfwzTHC59sHqNQw36kPl&id=100003272022964&sfnsn=scwspwa
that's funny 🤣🤣🤣
In reply to Post #329
In the same video magic stick didnt even deploy lol he reels fish in with prongs still in position. Wtf??
In the same video magic stick didnt even deploy lol he reels fish in with prongs still in position. Wtf??
In reply to Post #336
I've watched lots of the Hitler rant vids, this is up there with the best. Ali probably doesn't deserve half the stick he gets. Sometimes though, you reap what you sow.
I've watched lots of the Hitler rant vids, this is up there with the best. Ali probably doesn't deserve half the stick he gets. Sometimes though, you reap what you sow.
Can't help thinking that Mr Hamidi will be grinning at the fact that this thread runs to 8 pages after just a few days.
Bad publicity isnt always good publicity ... Just as Gerald Ratner ....
I do feel a bit for Ali though .... He must be feeling under tremendous pressure .... Problem is he uses social media heavily, and get it wrong and its brutal on there, and combined with the hype he generated before release and resulting negative reaction since release he is in a proper pickle!
If this doesnt turn round it wouldnt surprise me if he was removed as the "face" of OMC. They are now bordering becoming a laughing stock with a small amount of credabiliity waining fast ... and that is very difficult to reverse.
Bad publicity isnt always good publicity ... Just as Gerald Ratner ....
I do feel a bit for Ali though .... He must be feeling under tremendous pressure .... Problem is he uses social media heavily, and get it wrong and its brutal on there, and combined with the hype he generated before release and resulting negative reaction since release he is in a proper pickle!
If this doesnt turn round it wouldnt surprise me if he was removed as the "face" of OMC. They are now bordering becoming a laughing stock with a small amount of credabiliity waining fast ... and that is very difficult to reverse.
In reply to Post #340
Holy ****, LOL
Holy ****, LOL
In reply to Post #341
I wonder what the rest of the tackle industry actually think about this product?
I wonder if the "inventor" took it elsewhere before OMC and got turned down due to the stir it would create?
I wonder what the rest of the tackle industry actually think about this product?
I wonder if the "inventor" took it elsewhere before OMC and got turned down due to the stir it would create?
I instantly hate it. It epitomises everything I hate about modern carp fishing.
Magic twig, hormones, baiting poles; why fecking bother ffs.
Magic twig, hormones, baiting poles; why fecking bother ffs.
In reply to Post #343
It would be very interesting to be sitting at Korda now ... and know their reaction .... i imagine some will have an element of sympathy for Ali .... but business is business and it would take someone very brave/unorthodox to vocalise that.
I do think Ali's marketing style is of its time (circa early days of Korda) and that amount of hysteria/excitement/over the top marketing is now pretty "dated" ..... Korda's marketing has definately been toned down in recent years and are all the better for it imo.
It would be very interesting to be sitting at Korda now ... and know their reaction .... i imagine some will have an element of sympathy for Ali .... but business is business and it would take someone very brave/unorthodox to vocalise that.
I do think Ali's marketing style is of its time (circa early days of Korda) and that amount of hysteria/excitement/over the top marketing is now pretty "dated" ..... Korda's marketing has definately been toned down in recent years and are all the better for it imo.
In reply to Post #341
It's a strange take feeling sorry for him. Also I can't see him being removed as the face of his own company. It's mainly Facebook and Instagram he uses and the feedback on there is overwhelmingly positive. There's literally millions of sycophants dying to disappear up his arse... Which I think is part of the problem.
It's a strange take feeling sorry for him. Also I can't see him being removed as the face of his own company. It's mainly Facebook and Instagram he uses and the feedback on there is overwhelmingly positive. There's literally millions of sycophants dying to disappear up his arse... Which I think is part of the problem.
In reply to Post #346
Although his own pages has lots of loyal followers supporting him and the idea, i dont see that on the general pages.
I feel sorry for him because of the pressure he must be under due to the continued witch hunt. It has been a relentless and in some cases a vindictive onslaught. This can take an enormous toll on someone. Problem is social media is a double edge sword. Hopefully things will settle down again in a few days.
Dont get me wrong .... the product is awful and so is his over the top marketing strategies so im not his biggest fan either but i dont wish him any ill.
If its deemed by the investors to be good for the company that Ali takes a step back then I dont think he will have a choice. The other option is to bring in someone along side him with a calmer/mature nature to add credability and steady the ship.
Although his own pages has lots of loyal followers supporting him and the idea, i dont see that on the general pages.
I feel sorry for him because of the pressure he must be under due to the continued witch hunt. It has been a relentless and in some cases a vindictive onslaught. This can take an enormous toll on someone. Problem is social media is a double edge sword. Hopefully things will settle down again in a few days.
Dont get me wrong .... the product is awful and so is his over the top marketing strategies so im not his biggest fan either but i dont wish him any ill.
If its deemed by the investors to be good for the company that Ali takes a step back then I dont think he will have a choice. The other option is to bring in someone along side him with a calmer/mature nature to add credability and steady the ship.
In reply to Post #340
Excellent parody, up there with the best
Excellent parody, up there with the best
In reply to Post #347
I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. This rig is dangerous. You only have to look at it to spot the flaws. If it was a dodgy baseball cap or a fading shirt I would have sympathy and zero interest in this whole thing. But this product WILL damage a lot of fish. There's no doubt about it that it will get caught in the mesh and cause damage.
Ali is a great character. Brilliant marketeer perhaps. But he is not a product developer and has bitten off more than he can chew here. Somebody told me once of the effort and investment that was required of Korda when they developed their heli safe system. It was phenomenal, a big outlay even for a firm like Korda. Ali has not got the funds or the people for what is a very complex, tricky product, and it shows.
It's worth it though for that Hitler video!
I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest. This rig is dangerous. You only have to look at it to spot the flaws. If it was a dodgy baseball cap or a fading shirt I would have sympathy and zero interest in this whole thing. But this product WILL damage a lot of fish. There's no doubt about it that it will get caught in the mesh and cause damage.
Ali is a great character. Brilliant marketeer perhaps. But he is not a product developer and has bitten off more than he can chew here. Somebody told me once of the effort and investment that was required of Korda when they developed their heli safe system. It was phenomenal, a big outlay even for a firm like Korda. Ali has not got the funds or the people for what is a very complex, tricky product, and it shows.
It's worth it though for that Hitler video!
In reply to Post #349
splitting hairs, but I think the problem is that he HAS got the money, his investers are multimillionaires. Precisely because they have practically unlimited funds, they have sat around in meetings and developed things like the tackle box that velcros to your rod, and now taken on this monstrosity.
splitting hairs, but I think the problem is that he HAS got the money, his investers are multimillionaires. Precisely because they have practically unlimited funds, they have sat around in meetings and developed things like the tackle box that velcros to your rod, and now taken on this monstrosity.
In reply to Post #351
Thats quality
Thats quality
In reply to Post #347
They should get Steve renyard in, he's invented everything from the wheel to sliced bread.
They should get Steve renyard in, he's invented everything from the wheel to sliced bread.
The comment that I've seen on various platforms is that Ali wouldn't release something that was potentially harmful to carp, which he clearly has.
This just goes to prove that there are many anglers out there who can't look at an item or rig and see any inherent flaws.
This just goes to prove that there are many anglers out there who can't look at an item or rig and see any inherent flaws.
In reply to Post #354
The truth is it will sell in the thousands marketed as something that will catch carp that you would have not have . There are people new to carp fishing or jumped stait into it who buy readymade everything, have limited time on dayticket waters who want to put any advantage out there , it's aimed at them I suspect .
The truth is it will sell in the thousands marketed as something that will catch carp that you would have not have . There are people new to carp fishing or jumped stait into it who buy readymade everything, have limited time on dayticket waters who want to put any advantage out there , it's aimed at them I suspect .
In reply to Post #353
He invented salt. He went to the Himalayas on horseback and discovered it deep in the mines.
He invented salt. He went to the Himalayas on horseback and discovered it deep in the mines.
In reply to Post #356
How long before someone puts a hook on strait onto the quick clip spinner style 🤔 .
How long before someone puts a hook on strait onto the quick clip spinner style 🤔 .
I wonder what tackle shops will refuse to stock it?
In reply to Post #357
You mean like Fly Anglers have been doing for decades
You mean like Fly Anglers have been doing for decades
In reply to Post #359
Imagine someone puts the twig onto a chod setup , with hook link strait off of it 🤔 , of course nobody would do that eh 🙄
Imagine someone puts the twig onto a chod setup , with hook link strait off of it 🤔 , of course nobody would do that eh 🙄
In reply to Post #360
Or puts 5 in a row.
Or puts 5 in a row.
In reply to Post #360
Ah , I thought you was referring to Ali's ex's latest "Re-Invention".
I agree totally with you this "Twig" thing is just asking for problems, I just can't get my head around what he was thinking
Edit: "5 in a Row" hence my post about it being a gift to poachers
Ah , I thought you was referring to Ali's ex's latest "Re-Invention".
I agree totally with you this "Twig" thing is just asking for problems, I just can't get my head around what he was thinking
Edit: "5 in a Row" hence my post about it being a gift to poachers
In reply to Post #358
Where do you draw the line?
There's "dangerous" items of tackle on every shelf and stand in every tackle shop in the country. Rods are dangerous since they might get you electrocuted. Hooks, knives, gas, leadcore, miles of extremely strong braid or mono, carp sacks and retainers etc, and the vast amounts of bits and pieces that, in the wrong hands can easily make death rigs. The idea that shops should be policing products that are legitimately available to market is unworkable.
In my opinion, the only reasonable censorship / banning should be instigated by fisheries that don't want a product used at their venues; that could be the magic twig, or leadcore, or barbed hooks, whatever they choose. If enough fisheries ban it, then a product will end up discontinued anyway.
Where do you draw the line?
There's "dangerous" items of tackle on every shelf and stand in every tackle shop in the country. Rods are dangerous since they might get you electrocuted. Hooks, knives, gas, leadcore, miles of extremely strong braid or mono, carp sacks and retainers etc, and the vast amounts of bits and pieces that, in the wrong hands can easily make death rigs. The idea that shops should be policing products that are legitimately available to market is unworkable.
In my opinion, the only reasonable censorship / banning should be instigated by fisheries that don't want a product used at their venues; that could be the magic twig, or leadcore, or barbed hooks, whatever they choose. If enough fisheries ban it, then a product will end up discontinued anyway.
You can now see why Danny didn't give him a partnership at Korda.
I don't suppose anyone on here wants 50,000 dry wall raw plugs with quick clip built in? Handy for Christmas light hanging and probably lots of other things? Great for boot fairs... asking for a friend...
Oh and my mates a plumber who can fit some work in if you need anything.
I know, I know... I am trying not to be cruel
Oh and my mates a plumber who can fit some work in if you need anything.
I know, I know... I am trying not to be cruel
In reply to Post #365
OMC have now posted footage of a carp being caught using the twig.... someones slowed the video down... guess what.... the thing doesnt even operate! The arms stay in and its actually the 4oz lead that nails it.
OMC have now posted footage of a carp being caught using the twig.... someones slowed the video down... guess what.... the thing doesnt even operate! The arms stay in and its actually the 4oz lead that nails it.
In reply to Post #366
this really isnt going well is it
this really isnt going well is it
In reply to Post #366
please put a link to it on here
please put a link to it on here
In reply to Post #368
Go on Ali Hamidi facebook and his recent post check the comments section
Go on Ali Hamidi facebook and his recent post check the comments section
In reply to Post #290
Why aren't they already rig checking though? That's what makes this whole thing seem like bandwagon jumping to me. I've never once had a rig checked anywhere I've fished, but I bet half the noddies on day tickets are fishing death rigs with lead clip tail rubbers rammed on so they'll never come off, amongst other rubbish.
I get that this thing is something else that could be abused, but there's plenty of everyday items out there now that nobody is even bothering to check.
As I've pointed out elsewhere, there have been multiple matches with 1,000lb+ of Carp caught in 5 hours recently. That's over 3lb of fish per minute - now are those carp being looked after? Of course not, they're being dragged out as fast as possible, hook out and thrown in a net to be weighed piled up on top of one another. Why is a small carp not as important s a big one? It's the fishing equivalent of battery hens, starving fish massively overstocked and crammed into mud puddles for ‘sport'.
That's where we should start looking if the sport gave a sh*t about fish care as a whole, but because they're 3-10lb stockies they're apparently not worth our time as ‘big' carp anglers.
Why aren't they already rig checking though? That's what makes this whole thing seem like bandwagon jumping to me. I've never once had a rig checked anywhere I've fished, but I bet half the noddies on day tickets are fishing death rigs with lead clip tail rubbers rammed on so they'll never come off, amongst other rubbish.
I get that this thing is something else that could be abused, but there's plenty of everyday items out there now that nobody is even bothering to check.
As I've pointed out elsewhere, there have been multiple matches with 1,000lb+ of Carp caught in 5 hours recently. That's over 3lb of fish per minute - now are those carp being looked after? Of course not, they're being dragged out as fast as possible, hook out and thrown in a net to be weighed piled up on top of one another. Why is a small carp not as important s a big one? It's the fishing equivalent of battery hens, starving fish massively overstocked and crammed into mud puddles for ‘sport'.
That's where we should start looking if the sport gave a sh*t about fish care as a whole, but because they're 3-10lb stockies they're apparently not worth our time as ‘big' carp anglers.
In reply to Post #299
Sharpened hook, 4oz+ lead, self-resetting rig like a Ronnie that gives you multiple chances if you've been done by a fish. Even with basic rigs, being woken up with a hooked fish is exactly what happens
Sharpened hook, 4oz+ lead, self-resetting rig like a Ronnie that gives you multiple chances if you've been done by a fish. Even with basic rigs, being woken up with a hooked fish is exactly what happens
If people are thinking of fish safety with the Magic Twig wait until the Chinese copy's start appearing there bound to be fish safe LOL
In reply to Post #370
Difference is this item doesn't need to be "abused" to be potentially harmful to the fish. Use it exactly as the manufacturer recommends and you could still have a very good chance of damaging the fish.
Difference is this item doesn't need to be "abused" to be potentially harmful to the fish. Use it exactly as the manufacturer recommends and you could still have a very good chance of damaging the fish.
To me this is nothing more than ali hamidi trying to inscribe his name into the carp fishing hall of fame with regards to pioneering the way people fish because of what he done,the anticipation building upto the unveiling of this product,the crying,the hype and when the masses looked at it and didn't like what they seen,whether that be on a moral ground or fish safety perspective he's had to come out of his corner swinging.....it wasn't meant to be like this,in hamidis world the magic twigg (what a awful name) was supposed to be a game changer like the hair rig,hnv boilies,carbon rods and dare I say it the spomb in recent years.
Not for me, but .... if we're so concerned for fish welfare, don't do it. Ali's not the only one who can be accused of hypocrisy. Korda sell barbed hooks, but, hey, guess what? Gigantica has a barbless rule. Fishing methods at rainbow lake? Snag fishing? Leadcore? Wandering away from rods.....
Methinks this is more about him than the product itself.
Just saying.....
Methinks this is more about him than the product itself.
Just saying.....
In reply to Post #375
I am surprised Korda still sells leadcore. Also, Danny is STILL advocating using lead clips as running rigs.
I am surprised Korda still sells leadcore. Also, Danny is STILL advocating using lead clips as running rigs.
In reply to Post #374
Fortune and Glory 😁 , ( Indiana Jones ) 😜
Fortune and Glory 😁 , ( Indiana Jones ) 😜
In reply to Post #374
well, he's certainly going down in modern crap fishing now
well, he's certainly going down in modern crap fishing now
In reply to Post #378
Modern crap fishing
What's he gonna be remembered for, king of gob *****s
Modern crap fishing
What's he gonna be remembered for, king of gob *****s
In reply to Post #374
dare I say it the spomb in recent years.
I was once told a story that a clever guy called Brian had designed and prototyped a new type of Spod that opened up when it made contact with the waters surface. Decided he would take his idea to a large tackle company, meet the product development guy call Ali and got told "That will never take off, waste of time"
Brian walked away and launched the the Spomb onto the market
dare I say it the spomb in recent years.
I was once told a story that a clever guy called Brian had designed and prototyped a new type of Spod that opened up when it made contact with the waters surface. Decided he would take his idea to a large tackle company, meet the product development guy call Ali and got told "That will never take off, waste of time"
Brian walked away and launched the the Spomb onto the market
In reply to Post #380
whoops
whoops
In reply to Post #370
The ultimate conclusion to that train of thought is to not stick 'ooks in 'em in the first place.
Be careful what you wish for.
The ultimate conclusion to that train of thought is to not stick 'ooks in 'em in the first place.
Be careful what you wish for.
In reply to Post #382
I think you've misinterpreted the post.
I think you've misinterpreted the post.
Simon Crow has just posted a reel on Instagram say the twig is just a reinvention of a self hooking rig he published in a book he wrote in 1997. It was basically a short piece of pole elastic tensioned on a short piece of stiff rig tubing coming of the hook length swivel. Almost identical to the fellas version who went to Hamidi with the idea. Simon then went on to say he submitted this rig in an article to Tim Paisley at Carpworld. Who rejected it on the grounds that the Angling world didn't need this rig in it.
As has been mentioned a few times. There's nothing new in carp fishing..
As has been mentioned a few times. There's nothing new in carp fishing..
In reply to Post #376
Leadclips are much safer running. Don't buy into the BS.
Leadclips are much safer running. Don't buy into the BS.
Anyone else noticed that the filed patent claim is marked as "ceased" I presume this means that he has no claim on a self hooking mechanism as so many others have been published and are in the public domain from the last 60 years. I wonder if this means other companies e.g. in china will start copying this.. I hope to god not for the fishes sake!
In reply to Post #384
YES!!!!! I have been wanting to dig this book out of my loft to take a pic of this rig, its definitely not "his new invention" at all.
YES!!!!! I have been wanting to dig this book out of my loft to take a pic of this rig, its definitely not "his new invention" at all.
In reply to Post #385
No they really aren't
No they really aren't
A lot of people are digging Ali but just remember someone has brought an idea (new or not) to OMC for the wider audience.
Its just been banned on all my waters.
In reply to Post #389
People are digging him because of the tacky and irritating way in which he went about bringing it to market as well as the ethics of a 'self-hooking' rig component.
Crying on the internet over a plastic thing a fisherman can tie to his line for example.
People are digging him because of the tacky and irritating way in which he went about bringing it to market as well as the ethics of a 'self-hooking' rig component.
Crying on the internet over a plastic thing a fisherman can tie to his line for example.
In reply to Post #390
They're not really launching this price of **** still are they? Guaranteed mouth ripper. Pls tell me it's dead.
They're not really launching this price of **** still are they? Guaranteed mouth ripper. Pls tell me it's dead.
In reply to Post #392
I reckon it will go ahead
I reckon it will go ahead
It's not even self hooking. Just look at how it works, it takes more pressure to 'activate' the twig, than the amount of pressure it can apply. It's not self hooking.
All it does is make your hook length elasticated, but only after the fish is hooked.
All it does is make your hook length elasticated, but only after the fish is hooked.
Surely The Nora rig does the same thing as the Twig but without a big bit of plastic https://youtu.be/wQ3N8xQwMDE
I'm really not an expert on this... (or many other things - thought I'd say it first)
So I was asking an older angler who has forgotten more than I'll ever know about it all and his take - from reading about it - was that it's a similar approach to a 'bungee rig'
Is he right?
So I was asking an older angler who has forgotten more than I'll ever know about it all and his take - from reading about it - was that it's a similar approach to a 'bungee rig'
Is he right?
I don't see how that inch and a half length of plastic could store enough tensioned energy to ‘strike' back with any considerable force. I'm not sure it's even supposed to. If the ‘mouth ripper' accusations reference this action I think it's likely they are misunderstanding the product and OTT.
I'd like to see a demo of this action into something soft and fleshy like a fruit to see just how much force/damage it imparts.
I do agree that the snaggy pop out arms are a major oversight and should be re-designed.
It's another piece of plastic that isn't necessary. What sets this apart is the frothing excitement, for whatever reason, that Ali Hamidi may come unstuck. The reality is that even if every lake in the country bans it and every item in the initial factory order goes in the bin they will still be in business. The financial backers didn't get to the position they are now by risking a whole company's cash flow and revenue on one item.
Sorry if that disappoints some people.
I'd like to see a demo of this action into something soft and fleshy like a fruit to see just how much force/damage it imparts.
I do agree that the snaggy pop out arms are a major oversight and should be re-designed.
It's another piece of plastic that isn't necessary. What sets this apart is the frothing excitement, for whatever reason, that Ali Hamidi may come unstuck. The reality is that even if every lake in the country bans it and every item in the initial factory order goes in the bin they will still be in business. The financial backers didn't get to the position they are now by risking a whole company's cash flow and revenue on one item.
Sorry if that disappoints some people.
In reply to Post #398
We had that linky poo earlier
We had that linky poo earlier
In reply to Post #1
I have herd that Ali and the product designer did not cover themselves in glory on a video call with fishery managers about the twig rig the night after it was announced. Wont give blow by blow details but were not very well prepared and didn't have answers to questions that were asked.
I have herd that Ali and the product designer did not cover themselves in glory on a video call with fishery managers about the twig rig the night after it was announced. Wont give blow by blow details but were not very well prepared and didn't have answers to questions that were asked.
In reply to Post #395
No.
This is just another bungee rig, there are many versions of it, hermit, etc.
Progressive tension and the stretch helps stop ejection to a small extent.
The twig is actually a trigger. They should have called it the trigger rig
No.
This is just another bungee rig, there are many versions of it, hermit, etc.
Progressive tension and the stretch helps stop ejection to a small extent.
The twig is actually a trigger. They should have called it the trigger rig
In reply to Post #401
But it doesn't trigger untill the full force of the bungee section has been reached. To truly be a trigger rig, it would need to trigger with much less force than the force it could apply, like a mouse trap.
But it doesn't trigger untill the full force of the bungee section has been reached. To truly be a trigger rig, it would need to trigger with much less force than the force it could apply, like a mouse trap.
In reply to Post #402
It's pre-tensioned, and when there is a significant pull to spring/release the trigger it then pulls back.
It's pre-tensioned, and when there is a significant pull to spring/release the trigger it then pulls back.
In reply to Post #401
the "twigger" rig
the "twigger" rig
Will this thread be one of the longest in Carpforum history
In reply to Post #406
No it will probably be locked soon.
No it will probably be locked soon.
In reply to Post #403
Yes, a significant pull.
It's like when you stretch a bungee across your barrow and hook it on. When you want to unhook it. You have to pull the bungee with more force to stretch it even further so you can unhook it. It doesn't suddenly then add loads of force, you were already applying that force.
Yes, a significant pull.
It's like when you stretch a bungee across your barrow and hook it on. When you want to unhook it. You have to pull the bungee with more force to stretch it even further so you can unhook it. It doesn't suddenly then add loads of force, you were already applying that force.
In reply to Post #408
That's a good comparison.
It needs a bigger pull to then release the stored energy (pre-tensioned elastic) but then it snaps back.
If the "trigger" was too delicate (like a mouse trap) the every passing roach would set it off.
That's a good comparison.
It needs a bigger pull to then release the stored energy (pre-tensioned elastic) but then it snaps back.
If the "trigger" was too delicate (like a mouse trap) the every passing roach would set it off.
In reply to Post #409
So not only dangerous, now completely pointless
So not only dangerous, now completely pointless
In reply to Post #409
Yeah I think that's why this kind of rig could ever work with today's technology at least. If it really did trigger with very little pressure it would truly be a game changer, bit I just can't see that being viable in any situation other than when you had an underwater camera to check. Or would need to trigger only from hook pressure, not when the bait was lifted.
Yeah I think that's why this kind of rig could ever work with today's technology at least. If it really did trigger with very little pressure it would truly be a game changer, bit I just can't see that being viable in any situation other than when you had an underwater camera to check. Or would need to trigger only from hook pressure, not when the bait was lifted.
I guess you can't just nick a pva bag on the hook and lob it out
In reply to Post #412
I've been away, but OMC have put another video of a young lad playing a fish caught on the twig, and yet again, the springer release has not activated, so what is the point of having more rigid plastic on your rig?
I've been away, but OMC have put another video of a young lad playing a fish caught on the twig, and yet again, the springer release has not activated, so what is the point of having more rigid plastic on your rig?
In reply to Post #413
And that's with a 4.5 lead I guess. Which is way more than I ever use.
And that's with a 4.5 lead I guess. Which is way more than I ever use.
In reply to Post #415
Hintlesham Fisheries have tested it and allowing it on their water.
Hintlesham Fisheries have tested it and allowing it on their water.
In reply to Post #414
He pur post up about a new video and a 2.5oz lead can be used
He pur post up about a new video and a 2.5oz lead can be used
why would a fishery use the words "great addition to any tackle box" like they have done????....that's been scripted for them imo ....wouldn't the fishery just say its safe or not and not a big sales pitch to go with it
In reply to Post #418
Sound scripted , sounds a compromised quote 🤔 .
I asked on one post , as it's got a quick clip one end can you join 2 toghter for double the bang . Said in jest , but without doubt someone will try it , someone will put a hook strait on it Ronnie style , someone will use it choddy style , someone will crack off , someone will cast it up a tree , good luck to fishery owners with that .
Sound scripted , sounds a compromised quote 🤔 .
I asked on one post , as it's got a quick clip one end can you join 2 toghter for double the bang . Said in jest , but without doubt someone will try it , someone will put a hook strait on it Ronnie style , someone will use it choddy style , someone will crack off , someone will cast it up a tree , good luck to fishery owners with that .
In reply to Post #412
Well that's me buggered then
Well that's me buggered then
In reply to Post #419
What happens if like me some waters are not deep in certain areas,you can see the swans knecking for food what happens if the it's that sensitive it can hook bird life
What happens if like me some waters are not deep in certain areas,you can see the swans knecking for food what happens if the it's that sensitive it can hook bird life
take away the arguement of fish getting tethered towing them arms through weed in the event of a crack off/being snapped, from what I've seen the fish are hooked way before this device goes off,for it to go off it needs resistance to activate the spring.....the only way you get resistance is if the hooks in,penetrated and the fish moving away, the lightest is 4 5 oz of pressure and a carp sucking a bait in wouldn't create that much pressure.
also what if your fishing a pop up rig,the bait suspended off the bottom on a ronnie,shr or a multi rig means the bait wouldn't have no resistance against the twigg, yet again the fish would have to be hooked and already pulled against the weight of the lead or in this age the twigg......
so not only is it dangerous in the case of a crack off /being snapped but its pointless.
also what if your fishing a pop up rig,the bait suspended off the bottom on a ronnie,shr or a multi rig means the bait wouldn't have no resistance against the twigg, yet again the fish would have to be hooked and already pulled against the weight of the lead or in this age the twigg......
so not only is it dangerous in the case of a crack off /being snapped but its pointless.
In reply to Post #422
So is it the device tangling in the net is less of an issue, the bigger issue is that the device will likely pull hooks THROUGH lips of hooked fish leaving the point exposed to snag in the net once landed and cause damage.
If the fish is hooked well and then the device triggers it'll pull the hook through the lip surely?
So is it the device tangling in the net is less of an issue, the bigger issue is that the device will likely pull hooks THROUGH lips of hooked fish leaving the point exposed to snag in the net once landed and cause damage.
If the fish is hooked well and then the device triggers it'll pull the hook through the lip surely?
In reply to Post #423
No more than you pulling on the other end with a rod?
Someone else said it further down, that it takes more pressure to release than what it can exert.
No more than you pulling on the other end with a rod?
Someone else said it further down, that it takes more pressure to release than what it can exert.
In reply to Post #421
You should be moving your baited hooks from the areas if swans are feeding on them. Hugely irresponsible to leave them
You should be moving your baited hooks from the areas if swans are feeding on them. Hugely irresponsible to leave them
In reply to Post #423
the safety aspects aside, for this to be triggered it need resistance, only way it gets resistance is from a fish being hooked already.. the device then goes off, but why is this required??? the fish is already hooked....the device pulls inwards as the fish is swimming away...I don't think any type of spring in that small capacity under water would be enough to damage a fish.. but the whole things unnecessary as the fish is already hooked...the bungee affect may help stop lead bounce if your lucky....the safety aspects alone are a good enough reason not to use this, but now the hooking features are next to pointless as the fish need to be hooked to trigger the mechanism
the safety aspects aside, for this to be triggered it need resistance, only way it gets resistance is from a fish being hooked already.. the device then goes off, but why is this required??? the fish is already hooked....the device pulls inwards as the fish is swimming away...I don't think any type of spring in that small capacity under water would be enough to damage a fish.. but the whole things unnecessary as the fish is already hooked...the bungee affect may help stop lead bounce if your lucky....the safety aspects alone are a good enough reason not to use this, but now the hooking features are next to pointless as the fish need to be hooked to trigger the mechanism
In reply to Post #423
The arms will snag in the net after netting the fish. Apparently according to a post I saw where the rig had been tested they had no problems if the device was allowed to drop into the bottom of the net and the fish was unhooked in the net in the water. The desperate *****s that buy these won't do that though. No way. It's appallingly designed and desperate.
The arms will snag in the net after netting the fish. Apparently according to a post I saw where the rig had been tested they had no problems if the device was allowed to drop into the bottom of the net and the fish was unhooked in the net in the water. The desperate *****s that buy these won't do that though. No way. It's appallingly designed and desperate.
https://youtu.be/p2aV_KVh7eU
Explanation video on YouTube just released. He does like the sound of his voice. 100% success rate 😂
Explanation video on YouTube just released. He does like the sound of his voice. 100% success rate 😂
In reply to Post #427
Ali's comment about always unhooking a fish in the net is plain daft, it's simply not possible in many swims.
Ali's comment about always unhooking a fish in the net is plain daft, it's simply not possible in many swims.
In reply to Post #425
Not possible if it's overgrown and very few swims and suffer from water levels and it's never happened to me as I Chuck food in edge to try to get them away from my areas,I'm saying in general also including other birds who can dive and pick up a bait.
Not possible if it's overgrown and very few swims and suffer from water levels and it's never happened to me as I Chuck food in edge to try to get them away from my areas,I'm saying in general also including other birds who can dive and pick up a bait.
I think in this case its going to be One more Cockup for Ali as the presidering general of opinion is people are unsure the safety of the item.
In reply to Post #429
Most of the big res's and old Industrial Lakes/Lodges around here in Lancashire, you would need a bloody snorkel to un-hook in the margins
Most of the big res's and old Industrial Lakes/Lodges around here in Lancashire, you would need a bloody snorkel to un-hook in the margins
In reply to Post #428
If you read the comments on YouTube it seems people are loving the idea
If you read the comments on YouTube it seems people are loving the idea
Reading all these comments I don't understand why everyone is getting so twiggered by a piece of terminal tackle.......
Lead clips can get hooked in nets, leadcore can get bunched up with debris and lock up in weed! So many things CAN happen but generally don't!
It's good to see actual lake owners trying the product and making a decision on its safety rather than jumping on the “ I don't like Ali “ bandwagon........
Lead clips can get hooked in nets, leadcore can get bunched up with debris and lock up in weed! So many things CAN happen but generally don't!
It's good to see actual lake owners trying the product and making a decision on its safety rather than jumping on the “ I don't like Ali “ bandwagon........
In reply to Post #434
I dont think it's a don't like Ali bandwagon,it's good some fisheries are giving it a chance.I worry about the idiots using it more than the product itself,I can't see some of the idiots out there unhooking fish in the net after their tenth can of Stella and fourth spliff
I dont think it's a don't like Ali bandwagon,it's good some fisheries are giving it a chance.I worry about the idiots using it more than the product itself,I can't see some of the idiots out there unhooking fish in the net after their tenth can of Stella and fourth spliff
In reply to Post #435
Agreed Tony but the same applies for any terminal tackle.......some of the lead set ups you see are shocking!
Agreed Tony but the same applies for any terminal tackle.......some of the lead set ups you see are shocking!
In reply to Post #435
I don't think it's a hate OMC or Ali , but the promotion attracts comments as enthusiastic as the hype . It's relentless being told every item is the best you can get but it builds a following . Ali is very good at it , and all the other stuff is just normal carp gear , but this item is causing so many comments because as a fish product it a step to far , well for me anyway.
I don't think it's a hate OMC or Ali , but the promotion attracts comments as enthusiastic as the hype . It's relentless being told every item is the best you can get but it builds a following . Ali is very good at it , and all the other stuff is just normal carp gear , but this item is causing so many comments because as a fish product it a step to far , well for me anyway.
In reply to Post #436
Thats upto the fishery owner to check rigs,I do think this twig adds a bit too much risk to a set up but time will tell
Thats upto the fishery owner to check rigs,I do think this twig adds a bit too much risk to a set up but time will tell
The daft thing is that you have to search out the marketing to be exposed to it. It's not like the adverts on ITV or in a magazine like Carpology; with these you have to put up with it while viewing or reading the content. To see OMC marketing their products you have to watch their own Youtube videos or follow their own social media.
People actively search out and watch the videos, then come on here to whinge about how Ali is a pain in the backside and everything is overhyped
People in this thread are hanging on very word he's putting out there just to say what an idiot he is
People actively search out and watch the videos, then come on here to whinge about how Ali is a pain in the backside and everything is overhyped
People in this thread are hanging on very word he's putting out there just to say what an idiot he is
In reply to Post #439
I haven't actively searched. I just followed the links on here.
I haven't actively searched. I just followed the links on here.
In reply to Post #440
So you were duped into watching Hamedi videos you wanted to avoid? Naughty forum links.
So you were duped into watching Hamedi videos you wanted to avoid? Naughty forum links.
One of my concerns with this device is that often you get liners from fish brushing against the line, fins picking up the line, fish feeding next to the bait and sort of side cheek the bait or if they flank on the spot, if they happen to hit the hook link this could triggers the rig and you could get foul hooking anywhere on the fish which could cause a lot of damage. I'm surprised that I haven't read this concern anywhere yet.
In reply to Post #428
https://youtu.be/ZSHO_JOR8fU
Another explanation video just added to YouTube for fishing in weed etc
https://youtu.be/ZSHO_JOR8fU
Another explanation video just added to YouTube for fishing in weed etc
In reply to Post #442
If its enough to trigger it, it would foul hook them anyway, just through the rig mechanics
If its enough to trigger it, it would foul hook them anyway, just through the rig mechanics
In reply to Post #435
Have you read the start of this thread, pre release, and the various other omc threads. Particularly the first one when he announced he was leaving korda. People had judged this product before release, because of ali hamindi. Hell of a lot of people out there on the hate Ali bandwagon
Have you read the start of this thread, pre release, and the various other omc threads. Particularly the first one when he announced he was leaving korda. People had judged this product before release, because of ali hamindi. Hell of a lot of people out there on the hate Ali bandwagon
In reply to Post #443
If you slow down the footage of the fish at the end. It is already hooked before it even turns away from the camera and the twig doesn't set off until the lead is lifted off the bed of the lake.
If you slow down the footage of the fish at the end. It is already hooked before it even turns away from the camera and the twig doesn't set off until the lead is lifted off the bed of the lake.
In reply to Post #445
There are without doubt those who think he is marmite , I follow most carp related items released to market out of curiosity in case it's an improvement on the items I use now , but that goes for all company's out there . Other than a box you strap to your rod to eliminate a problem that ain't there , and this thing , all the others are just variants of products out there already . People looking for the short cut will buy it , I see issues , I see issues of casting out a trap but I'm not the target market , as with a lot of the stuff .
There are without doubt those who think he is marmite , I follow most carp related items released to market out of curiosity in case it's an improvement on the items I use now , but that goes for all company's out there . Other than a box you strap to your rod to eliminate a problem that ain't there , and this thing , all the others are just variants of products out there already . People looking for the short cut will buy it , I see issues , I see issues of casting out a trap but I'm not the target market , as with a lot of the stuff .
I think when all said and done and even IF proven 100% safe
I really can't see myself using this product it's just another pointless product just designed to take money out of an easily influenced anglers pocket.
Kids have grown up with Ali on the tv so are likely to buy into his sales patter.
As they say
All publicity is good publicity and boy has he got it with this product.
I really can't see myself using this product it's just another pointless product just designed to take money out of an easily influenced anglers pocket.
Kids have grown up with Ali on the tv so are likely to buy into his sales patter.
As they say
All publicity is good publicity and boy has he got it with this product.
Hmmmm....”All publicity is good publicity” has been mentioned a few times.
I can't help thinking that Gerald Ratner and more recently Budweiser may disagree
I can't help thinking that Gerald Ratner and more recently Budweiser may disagree
In reply to Post #445
So you think people have an issue with this product just because its Ali who has released it
So you think people have an issue with this product just because its Ali who has released it
In reply to Post #450
He is now putting out photos of using it on korda heli safe. .. Pathetic...
He is now putting out photos of using it on korda heli safe. .. Pathetic...
In reply to Post #450
Not sure thats what i said, is it. Quite obvious what i meant
Not sure thats what i said, is it. Quite obvious what i meant
why not attach the twigg to a lead clip,a 3.5oz lead and tie the main line onto the quick change swivel where the hooklength would go,cast it out into the lake and wind it in simulating a fish swimming through weed,snags etc with a lead attached and see what happens...if it snagg in the weed/snags,if the arms bend back like ali says they will.... also if you belive what ali says,the lead clip is redundant as the the fish shaking its head will be absorbed by the spring,so the lead clip will never dump the lead on the take only when it pulls through weed if your lucky
In reply to Post #452
People are slating the product as its dangerous not just because of Ali,yes quite a few people can't stand him but they are entitled to their opinion
People are slating the product as its dangerous not just because of Ali,yes quite a few people can't stand him but they are entitled to their opinion
In reply to Post #454
People were slating it before they even knew what it was, and that slating, was because of Ali Hamidi and their view on him. I replied to your message where you suggested that there is no ali hamidi hate bandwagon
And yes people are entitled to their opinions. But it would be nice of they were a little more open minded with them wouldnt it.
People were slating it before they even knew what it was, and that slating, was because of Ali Hamidi and their view on him. I replied to your message where you suggested that there is no ali hamidi hate bandwagon
And yes people are entitled to their opinions. But it would be nice of they were a little more open minded with them wouldnt it.
In reply to Post #455
I dont like the guy,I use omc putty as its spot on,best I've used since kryston heavy metal..I don't not use it because I don t like his pushy aggressive sales tactics...I don't like the way he tries make everyone believe they'll catch less if theyre not using his products and the people.next to you are...would I use this product if it was safe, definitely not as it doesn't interest me....what I don't like is the arrogance of him when people.are blatantly pointing out the flaws in the product,he tried blagging saying the arms snap,they didn't!!!!,he said the arms were put that way so they didn't snag weed and debris when playing a fish in...but its OK for a fish to tow it through weed after a snap/crack off!!!!
he says it's activated by the fish, but the fish has to be hooked already to create enough pressure to activate the twigg.
so to sum it up, yes I dislike his sales and marketing tactics...would I use a product that's fit for purpose even though its made by omc,yes I would.
I dont like the guy,I use omc putty as its spot on,best I've used since kryston heavy metal..I don't not use it because I don t like his pushy aggressive sales tactics...I don't like the way he tries make everyone believe they'll catch less if theyre not using his products and the people.next to you are...would I use this product if it was safe, definitely not as it doesn't interest me....what I don't like is the arrogance of him when people.are blatantly pointing out the flaws in the product,he tried blagging saying the arms snap,they didn't!!!!,he said the arms were put that way so they didn't snag weed and debris when playing a fish in...but its OK for a fish to tow it through weed after a snap/crack off!!!!
he says it's activated by the fish, but the fish has to be hooked already to create enough pressure to activate the twigg.
so to sum it up, yes I dislike his sales and marketing tactics...would I use a product that's fit for purpose even though its made by omc,yes I would.
In reply to Post #456
It's not mainstream media, you have to go to either OMC or Ali's content and press play to see all the stuff you are saying you dislike.
If you don't like it why do you watch it? If this thread is anything to go by you are watching everything he puts out. Why put yourself through it?!
It's not mainstream media, you have to go to either OMC or Ali's content and press play to see all the stuff you are saying you dislike.
If you don't like it why do you watch it? If this thread is anything to go by you are watching everything he puts out. Why put yourself through it?!
Looking forward to hearing which tackle shops decline to stock this product.
In reply to Post #457
it's shared on the various groups I'm in on face book
it's shared on the various groups I'm in on face book
In reply to Post #459
And those groups force you to press play and watch every video, even if you dislike the content? I'm genuinely curious why you would watch videos that wind you up?
And those groups force you to press play and watch every video, even if you dislike the content? I'm genuinely curious why you would watch videos that wind you up?
In reply to Post #460
they don't wind me up, im not sitting there shaking watching them,just dislike his pushy selling tactics
they don't wind me up, im not sitting there shaking watching them,just dislike his pushy selling tactics
In reply to Post #455
Yes it would but unfortunately that is not the way of the world,Ali can be too over the top and annoying as hell.I have a couple of omc bits and they're good but the over selling of things can get on your tits
Yes it would but unfortunately that is not the way of the world,Ali can be too over the top and annoying as hell.I have a couple of omc bits and they're good but the over selling of things can get on your tits
And now a vid of the initial testing has been released.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/847340909967028?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V
https://www.facebook.com/reel/847340909967028?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V
It's been banned by D D.A.P S. On all waters.
In reply to Post #464
But according to the clubs statement it's on the basis that it contravenes a Thames Water byelaw. There is no comment from them regarding it's viability as a usable piece of tackle.
But according to the clubs statement it's on the basis that it contravenes a Thames Water byelaw. There is no comment from them regarding it's viability as a usable piece of tackle.
In reply to Post #464
Good on them. Shouldnt see the light of day. Banned on all my waters.
Good on them. Shouldnt see the light of day. Banned on all my waters.
In reply to Post #435
dont think it's a don't like Ali bandwagon,it's good some fisheries are giving it a chance.I worry about the idiots using it more than the product itself,I can't see some of the idiots out there unhooking fish in the net after their tenth can of Stella and fourth spliff
Are these "idiots" as you put them actually safe to care for the carp full stop, not just when using the twig.
dont think it's a don't like Ali bandwagon,it's good some fisheries are giving it a chance.I worry about the idiots using it more than the product itself,I can't see some of the idiots out there unhooking fish in the net after their tenth can of Stella and fourth spliff
Are these "idiots" as you put them actually safe to care for the carp full stop, not just when using the twig.
In reply to Post #467
There is a potential for miss use , and the people drawn to them as a short cut are most likely to do so. Iv posted before , twig with hook strait on it Ronnie style , 2 twigs linked together for big snap when the ratrap goes off 🤔 , strait on leader choddy style etc . Think it will sell well , the brand has a following by the looks of it.
There is a potential for miss use , and the people drawn to them as a short cut are most likely to do so. Iv posted before , twig with hook strait on it Ronnie style , 2 twigs linked together for big snap when the ratrap goes off 🤔 , strait on leader choddy style etc . Think it will sell well , the brand has a following by the looks of it.
In reply to Post #467
Thats upto the fishery to decide,unfortunately some fisheries don't care and just want the money
Thats upto the fishery to decide,unfortunately some fisheries don't care and just want the money
It even looks a bit like an anchor. So much potential to snag a fish up
In reply to Post #470
Especially in the net!
Especially in the net!
In reply to Post #471
No no no,you unhook the fish in the net have you not watched any of the videos
No no no,you unhook the fish in the net have you not watched any of the videos
https://nice-baits.com/omc-magic-twig-for-carp-fishing/
This is the scary bit.
This is a company that seems to specialise in baits for foreign venues so is probably on the Continent. Some of the waffle about elasticity seems a bit odd but that may be a bit of a translation error.
The scary bit is the paragraph ‘Target Audience and Appeal' and the sub paragraphs ‘Younger Demographic' and ‘Balancing Socialising and Serious Fishing'.
If this is from a fishing company then we're all ****ed!
This is the scary bit.
This is a company that seems to specialise in baits for foreign venues so is probably on the Continent. Some of the waffle about elasticity seems a bit odd but that may be a bit of a translation error.
The scary bit is the paragraph ‘Target Audience and Appeal' and the sub paragraphs ‘Younger Demographic' and ‘Balancing Socialising and Serious Fishing'.
If this is from a fishing company then we're all ****ed!
In reply to Post #473
Was that entire article written by Chat GPT?
Was that entire article written by Chat GPT?
in stores now for them wanting to try it,just seen parkfield have them and angling direct saying they have them
In reply to Post #474
It's a bit **** isn't it
It's a bit **** isn't it
In reply to Post #476
One More Catching 🙄 , could be I'm old 😆 .
As an aside to this lot , do you think any of the other major players would have brought this to market , do you think some have a different moral compass or not 🤔
One More Catching 🙄 , could be I'm old 😆 .
As an aside to this lot , do you think any of the other major players would have brought this to market , do you think some have a different moral compass or not 🤔
In reply to Post #477
As a concept I imagine that many of the big companies would look at a similar device. I can't think of one that would have released it in its current form though.
As a concept I imagine that many of the big companies would look at a similar device. I can't think of one that would have released it in its current form though.
In reply to Post #477
Considering there has been self hooking rigs that do the exact same as the magic twig since the 70s (and maybe even earlier), Carpworld magazine refused to publish one of the versions because "its unethical and the carp world doesn't need this sort of rig" which then went on to be published in Simon Crows book in 1997, I'm sure all the big players have looked at making something like this and agreed with Carpworld so never productized anything like this. Ali decided to be that person who went in the opposite direction to the other companies as he saw it as a quick way to be the person who "revolutionized" the carp rig with his "new invention" and line his pocket with the money from people who don't think its unethical and will buy the next thing that is advertised as being the next big carp catching tool that you need.
Considering there has been self hooking rigs that do the exact same as the magic twig since the 70s (and maybe even earlier), Carpworld magazine refused to publish one of the versions because "its unethical and the carp world doesn't need this sort of rig" which then went on to be published in Simon Crows book in 1997, I'm sure all the big players have looked at making something like this and agreed with Carpworld so never productized anything like this. Ali decided to be that person who went in the opposite direction to the other companies as he saw it as a quick way to be the person who "revolutionized" the carp rig with his "new invention" and line his pocket with the money from people who don't think its unethical and will buy the next thing that is advertised as being the next big carp catching tool that you need.
In reply to Post #479
...and you can guarantee they will sell out (conveniently) in another of his manufactured demand scams. Just like PRIME drink where all the kids were queuing round the block for it. People say live and let live but I don't want the tackle industry to head in the direction Ali is moving it. His influence on social media is enormous, literally thousands of disciples.
...and you can guarantee they will sell out (conveniently) in another of his manufactured demand scams. Just like PRIME drink where all the kids were queuing round the block for it. People say live and let live but I don't want the tackle industry to head in the direction Ali is moving it. His influence on social media is enormous, literally thousands of disciples.
In reply to Post #472
I can't remember the last fish I didn't unhook in the net gotta be nearly 10/15 years ago.
I think they are calmer in the water so it's actually easier.
TBF it's probably now 3 since I last went, but even so.
I can't remember the last fish I didn't unhook in the net gotta be nearly 10/15 years ago.
I think they are calmer in the water so it's actually easier.
TBF it's probably now 3 since I last went, but even so.
In reply to Post #481
I can't remember the last time I unhooked a fish in the net, not saying I've never done it, just don't remember ever doing it.
Surely it means getting into the water or getting yourself into a really uncomfortable position, I'm too old for that!
I can't remember the last time I unhooked a fish in the net, not saying I've never done it, just don't remember ever doing it.
Surely it means getting into the water or getting yourself into a really uncomfortable position, I'm too old for that!
The lake I have fished for the last 15 years has got platforms so I unhook fish in the net as it's easy and convenient unless it's a tricky hookhold where I need closer inspection and assisted ( forceps) unhooking or more light on the subject.
On the sloping, muddy banks less so as it can be difficult if not impossible both for fish and angler.
On the sloping, muddy banks less so as it can be difficult if not impossible both for fish and angler.
In reply to Post #483
I just get covered in mud lol
All my fishing is days now
I just get covered in mud lol
All my fishing is days now
In reply to Post #465
They say its also contrary to the rule that all members are expected to behave in a gentlemenly and sportmanlike manner. There's been a few lost their tickets for contravening that rule over the years.
They say its also contrary to the rule that all members are expected to behave in a gentlemenly and sportmanlike manner. There's been a few lost their tickets for contravening that rule over the years.
In reply to Post #485
Did anyone calculate how much 3rod set up last meter costs now if you use all the shiny bits that they say you cant catch without? More than 100?
Did anyone calculate how much 3rod set up last meter costs now if you use all the shiny bits that they say you cant catch without? More than 100?
In reply to Post #486
I don't really understand what your post means? Could you please explain a bit more?
I don't really understand what your post means? Could you please explain a bit more?
In reply to Post #487
Basically if you buy all the gadgets / end tackle that the tackle company's promote , it's probably costing £30 ish a rod, with hooks, hook length, weight leadcore etc etc.
Well that's how i read it
Basically if you buy all the gadgets / end tackle that the tackle company's promote , it's probably costing £30 ish a rod, with hooks, hook length, weight leadcore etc etc.
Well that's how i read it
In reply to Post #487
How much does it cost to set up 3 rods? Last meter so from leader/tubing down... Leader, magic stick, heli safe, special lead, hooklinks, all the beads and swivels etc...
How much does it cost to set up 3 rods? Last meter so from leader/tubing down... Leader, magic stick, heli safe, special lead, hooklinks, all the beads and swivels etc...
Well keeping back on topic, ive took the plunge and bought a pack of 3, gonna repurpose as a weed rake, and when I'm not using them fishing, my nephew can use as a grappling hook for his action man.
Winner winner chicken dinner
Winner winner chicken dinner
In reply to Post #490
"Pack of 3" They only come in packs of 2 so that you have to buy two packs if you want to use them on 3 rods.... yet another marketing ploy to sell you twice as much and line Ali's pockets.... winner winner half a plate of chicken dinner....
"Pack of 3" They only come in packs of 2 so that you have to buy two packs if you want to use them on 3 rods.... yet another marketing ploy to sell you twice as much and line Ali's pockets.... winner winner half a plate of chicken dinner....
In reply to Post #489
9.99 for a pack of 2 a mate sent me a screen shot of them we were discussing them today as he popped down to me as I was fishing,as I've had my first carp in 12 months yesterday,I said to him I'd rather work hard at catching a carp than cheat(is that the right word) or maybe make things easy for myself if I used this twig thingy,I showed my brother other night he's a match fisherman and even he said it doesn't look safe in many ways
9.99 for a pack of 2 a mate sent me a screen shot of them we were discussing them today as he popped down to me as I was fishing,as I've had my first carp in 12 months yesterday,I said to him I'd rather work hard at catching a carp than cheat(is that the right word) or maybe make things easy for myself if I used this twig thingy,I showed my brother other night he's a match fisherman and even he said it doesn't look safe in many ways
In reply to Post #492
Iv said that they will sell by the bucket load , and I predict that fishery owners will back track especially if they have on site tackle shops 🤔 .
Iv said that they will sell by the bucket load , and I predict that fishery owners will back track especially if they have on site tackle shops 🤔 .
In reply to Post #493
I dont think fisheries will see a drop in customers if the anglers can't use the twig
I dont think fisheries will see a drop in customers if the anglers can't use the twig
In reply to Post #494
Lol of course.
All the clubs and syndicates around me are full with waiting lists so I very much doubt that will ever happen...
Twigless
Lol of course.
All the clubs and syndicates around me are full with waiting lists so I very much doubt that will ever happen...
Twigless
In reply to Post #473
Yeah, about the continent.
Normally i consider myself lucky not being confronted with all the rules and regulations british angling seems synonymous with, but in this case all for the better.
I thought we would dodge this bullet by omc not being available on the continent, but alas, alixpress also delivers here through his webshop, including p&p just 18 euro for two!
Hope not too many continental anglers fall for this crap, i still don't see the magic, hell in the net, and just forget unhooking in the net if your fishing isn't center parcs style.
The memes are funny though:XD
Yeah, about the continent.
Normally i consider myself lucky not being confronted with all the rules and regulations british angling seems synonymous with, but in this case all for the better.
I thought we would dodge this bullet by omc not being available on the continent, but alas, alixpress also delivers here through his webshop, including p&p just 18 euro for two!
Hope not too many continental anglers fall for this crap, i still don't see the magic, hell in the net, and just forget unhooking in the net if your fishing isn't center parcs style.
The memes are funny though:XD
Out of pure curiosity I have ordered a pack of twigs, I want to physically look at them and understand exactly how they work although if i was subsequently 1% concerned about safety, (which no doubt i will be) I wont actually use them, even though they are allowed on my water.....
Will feedback...
Will feedback...
In reply to Post #497
Isn't that a bit like buying Playboy “for the interesting articles”??
Isn't that a bit like buying Playboy “for the interesting articles”??
In reply to Post #498
Seems its closer to buying Playgirl
To see if you like men lol
Seems its closer to buying Playgirl
To see if you like men lol
Some of the comments on Facebook are unbelievable,one idiot even posted "This might go down in history as the most successful launch ever".It's proved they do walk amongst us,****ing idiots everywhere.I just hope my club bans them and pronto
In reply to Post #499
very good.
I am just genuinely interested to see a product it in the flesh and then pass judgement rather than write it off because everyone else has. OK, it will be a tenner down the drain, (although I might sell them on eBay at a profit once they go out of stock everywhere) but like I said, it is genuine curiosity.
There are a couple of features I am really interested in like the lead-clip arrangement and whether you could actually drop the lead as well as there being enough force before the lead drops for the thing to work properly, I suspect not.
I was speaking to a guy on my syndicate this weekend and his first impression, just like mine and everyone elses was, (and still is) negative but he hasn't seen one in the flesh either. We have an OMC sponsored angler on our lake and the chap generally struggles, so we agreed it will be interesting to see if he all of a sudden starts clubbing them out!
very good.I am just genuinely interested to see a product it in the flesh and then pass judgement rather than write it off because everyone else has. OK, it will be a tenner down the drain, (although I might sell them on eBay at a profit once they go out of stock everywhere) but like I said, it is genuine curiosity.
There are a couple of features I am really interested in like the lead-clip arrangement and whether you could actually drop the lead as well as there being enough force before the lead drops for the thing to work properly, I suspect not.
I was speaking to a guy on my syndicate this weekend and his first impression, just like mine and everyone elses was, (and still is) negative but he hasn't seen one in the flesh either. We have an OMC sponsored angler on our lake and the chap generally struggles, so we agreed it will be interesting to see if he all of a sudden starts clubbing them out!
In reply to Post #501
Surely if he's an omc sponsored angler he's been using them before they are released to the morons (sorry public)
Surely if he's an omc sponsored angler he's been using them before they are released to the morons (sorry public)
Lad just showed up on the lake this morning and showed me them.
Honest opinion is on weedy and snaggy lakes they're a massive no. It's like a mini anchor once open. The arms are in no way as flimsy as he said they were on the video.
The click is fairly harsh but not enough to rip a carps mouth but again this is only going by feel.
Just don't see the Appel at all if the rigs done it's job and the leads set the hook that's all I require. So it's a no from me
Honest opinion is on weedy and snaggy lakes they're a massive no. It's like a mini anchor once open. The arms are in no way as flimsy as he said they were on the video.
The click is fairly harsh but not enough to rip a carps mouth but again this is only going by feel.
Just don't see the Appel at all if the rigs done it's job and the leads set the hook that's all I require. So it's a no from me
In reply to Post #502
I don't think he has, there was apparently only a select few who got to field-test.....
I don't think he has, there was apparently only a select few who got to field-test.....
In reply to Post #504
Probably Bobby Zamora and has the guy who Invented it got any more mentions from alli,I get the impression alli is taking all the credit now unless I'm wrong
Probably Bobby Zamora and has the guy who Invented it got any more mentions from alli,I get the impression alli is taking all the credit now unless I'm wrong
rh fisheries are allowing them
In reply to Post #506
Not really a shock with them
Not really a shock with them
In reply to Post #506
Run by an idiot that's why.
Run by an idiot that's why.
In reply to Post #508
The video he's posted proves just that,it's not going cause any issues he thinks and wants anglers feedback
The video he's posted proves just that,it's not going cause any issues he thinks and wants anglers feedback
In reply to Post #509
The wording yet again...."a brilliant addition to your tackle box"
I'm no the earth Is flat type of guy but these are the words of Ali hamidi would use,not Rob Hales.that makes an extortionate amount of money from his lakes and the bait he sells
The wording yet again...."a brilliant addition to your tackle box"
I'm no the earth Is flat type of guy but these are the words of Ali hamidi would use,not Rob Hales.that makes an extortionate amount of money from his lakes and the bait he sells
In reply to Post #510
I'm glad a water I like fishing has banned it,they waited to see it and have made the decision
I'm glad a water I like fishing has banned it,they waited to see it and have made the decision
In reply to Post #511
have p.a made a statement yet??
have p.a made a statement yet??
In reply to Post #512
No,I'm quite shocked considering Redesmere can get very weedy
No,I'm quite shocked considering Redesmere can get very weedy
In reply to Post #507
I've fished monument just the once and came away thinking it was well run. Totally opposite to the unkempt lake I usually fish, but I enjoyed it all the same.
One of their rules is that fish must NOT be unhooked in the water, which is contradictory to Ali's statement on the twig though
I've fished monument just the once and came away thinking it was well run. Totally opposite to the unkempt lake I usually fish, but I enjoyed it all the same.
One of their rules is that fish must NOT be unhooked in the water, which is contradictory to Ali's statement on the twig though
In reply to Post #488
I'd hate to add up the value of all the rig bits I have in my tackle boxes, then add the line and leads. Ridiculous.
I'd hate to add up the value of all the rig bits I have in my tackle boxes, then add the line and leads. Ridiculous.
Is all this chat about its safety etc and lakes banning it a massive deflection from its actual function? I'm yet to see any underwater footage of the thing actually triggering? Am I missing something? Has anyone actually seen anyfootage what so ever of this thing triggering to catch a carp that likely would not have been caught without it.
In reply to Post #516
the fish has to be hooked for the device to activate, totally pointless
the fish has to be hooked for the device to activate, totally pointless
In reply to Post #517
Exactly this. Jobs already done I don't need to spend an extra tenner
Exactly this. Jobs already done I don't need to spend an extra tenner
In reply to Post #516
Nope. I personally think they spent a load of money and then when they tested and saw what we can see they thought we better get the spin machine working not only to make the money back but to make a huge profit from their following. I use tackle that suites my fishing and from who ever sells the best for that job but it seems that people are very tribal when it comes to brands.
Nope. I personally think they spent a load of money and then when they tested and saw what we can see they thought we better get the spin machine working not only to make the money back but to make a huge profit from their following. I use tackle that suites my fishing and from who ever sells the best for that job but it seems that people are very tribal when it comes to brands.
In reply to Post #519
In this case it has more to do with dislike for the guy promoting said brand.
In this case it has more to do with dislike for the guy promoting said brand.
In reply to Post #516
Totally agree. It will have piqued the interest of the noddies, who don't give a damn about fish care. They will only get the message when they realise the product is garbage, won't work and you have to use a pva tie for every decent cast.....with wet hands and wet components.
Totally agree. It will have piqued the interest of the noddies, who don't give a damn about fish care. They will only get the message when they realise the product is garbage, won't work and you have to use a pva tie for every decent cast.....with wet hands and wet components.
In reply to Post #521
That's why you have to buy 4 for 3 rods, so 1 can dry out ready for the next cast..This thing is never going to be a success
That's why you have to buy 4 for 3 rods, so 1 can dry out ready for the next cast..This thing is never going to be a success
In reply to Post #520
Quote... In this case it has more to do with dislike for the guy promoting said brand.
I have avoided commenting on this. But I would say that you are 100% right. And also the man underneath who said it's all tribal. Carp fishing is totally tribal. Many sponsored anglers making comments, who would never say **** all if their own company brought it to market.
I do not know Ali. I have two good friends who do know him well personally (one for thirty plus years) and both really like him. I trust both of them, so he must be alright. As someone who makes their living from carp fishing, I like him for one thing, he has brought a massive amount of anglers into our sport over the last decade. He is the public face of carp fishing really isn't he. We live in a media age, and Ali has embraced that.
That's also the reason that a lot of older anglers absolutely hate him though, because everywhere is as busy as now. I also personally heavily disagree with 'Cheshire mere' Ali, now teaching all the yewts that Big Rig type waters are all tickerty boo, simply because of a new business venture. The whole ethos seems to have changed overnight. Me and him are around the same age, but we could not be more different people, or anglers, at totally opposite ends of both of those spectrums.
I wonder what Ali would do publicity wise, with our hook baits? A lot better than me, that's for sure.
The staged crying? Over a of bit of Chinese plastic, that are about to sell for a tenner for two..... Come on, fack me that's scraping the barrel just a little bit.
I almost think they wanted to cause this reaction, but it's now gone a little bit to far, and bit back. Marketing it, as a self striking component, is just so incredibly naive if you really think about it. That has always been a no no. Even worse when the targeted audience is more novice anglers. Dividing carp fishing, and publicly creating a **** storm over something like this, is really not cool at all in today's age. All field sports are under pressure from the do gooders. Giving them ammo, is not cool at all.
Mike Hutchinson who is involved with OMC, is one of the old Cemex/RMC lakes crew. I cannot see him allowing anything actually dangerous to be brought to market. Surely not. Ali has started up a new business, with big funding everyone keeps saying. So they had to come up with something 'big' fast. I hope it works out for him/them. I am sure he will have learned a lesson from all this if it does.
Quote... In this case it has more to do with dislike for the guy promoting said brand.
I have avoided commenting on this. But I would say that you are 100% right. And also the man underneath who said it's all tribal. Carp fishing is totally tribal. Many sponsored anglers making comments, who would never say **** all if their own company brought it to market.
I do not know Ali. I have two good friends who do know him well personally (one for thirty plus years) and both really like him. I trust both of them, so he must be alright. As someone who makes their living from carp fishing, I like him for one thing, he has brought a massive amount of anglers into our sport over the last decade. He is the public face of carp fishing really isn't he. We live in a media age, and Ali has embraced that.
That's also the reason that a lot of older anglers absolutely hate him though, because everywhere is as busy as now. I also personally heavily disagree with 'Cheshire mere' Ali, now teaching all the yewts that Big Rig type waters are all tickerty boo, simply because of a new business venture. The whole ethos seems to have changed overnight. Me and him are around the same age, but we could not be more different people, or anglers, at totally opposite ends of both of those spectrums.
I wonder what Ali would do publicity wise, with our hook baits? A lot better than me, that's for sure.
The staged crying? Over a of bit of Chinese plastic, that are about to sell for a tenner for two..... Come on, fack me that's scraping the barrel just a little bit.
I almost think they wanted to cause this reaction, but it's now gone a little bit to far, and bit back. Marketing it, as a self striking component, is just so incredibly naive if you really think about it. That has always been a no no. Even worse when the targeted audience is more novice anglers. Dividing carp fishing, and publicly creating a **** storm over something like this, is really not cool at all in today's age. All field sports are under pressure from the do gooders. Giving them ammo, is not cool at all.
Mike Hutchinson who is involved with OMC, is one of the old Cemex/RMC lakes crew. I cannot see him allowing anything actually dangerous to be brought to market. Surely not. Ali has started up a new business, with big funding everyone keeps saying. So they had to come up with something 'big' fast. I hope it works out for him/them. I am sure he will have learned a lesson from all this if it does.
After a couple of weeks - for me it seems fairly clear. If you take a totally objective view.
No matter what the size of the thing, whether it works as intended or not the simple facts that didn't need testing are:
Every fish you land has to go in dead centre of the net and not make any lunges until safely in the folds of the bottom.
You need to be able to safely unhook the fish in the water - I do anyway/ try to, but I use barbless hooks for 90% of my fishing - also there are always shallow type swims where it is safer to remove the fish from the water - or I have had hook holds that you simply can't unhook in the water.
For me - and I have fished for carp for well over 40 years - the above two basic requirements are impossible to meet 100% of the time - so forget rig ethics, it is not safe and can never be. The fins will get caught in net meshes - it will happen less with good angling - but it will happen.
If I had a lake I would ban it. If I had a shop I would not stock it. If I had a business no matter what the cost of tooling and patents I would not bring it to market - I would be clever enough to believe the ‘we got this wrong' is a better long term strategy that shows honesty and integrity.
You don't need to like or dislike Ali or his company. I can't think of a single product that has debuted that risks damage more than this. Lead core maybe? But that was evolution from other types of fishing- can be used safely and wasn't invented for profit.
Hormones, get you more bites - but they are dangerous and illegal- if they were just dangerous would someone bring them to market - with Ali like instructions how to mitigate the serious consequences- would we be debating it?
I hope Ali builds a successful brand, I wish him the very best - I also wish he had enough about him to never release this god awful product. If 75% of people can use it properly 90% of the time, that's a hell of a lot of ripped mouths.
As for the ‘be convinced' ‘try it' brigade it's shameful absolutely shameful. Double hook rigs are safe some of the time - if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck....guess what?
No matter what the size of the thing, whether it works as intended or not the simple facts that didn't need testing are:
Every fish you land has to go in dead centre of the net and not make any lunges until safely in the folds of the bottom.
You need to be able to safely unhook the fish in the water - I do anyway/ try to, but I use barbless hooks for 90% of my fishing - also there are always shallow type swims where it is safer to remove the fish from the water - or I have had hook holds that you simply can't unhook in the water.
For me - and I have fished for carp for well over 40 years - the above two basic requirements are impossible to meet 100% of the time - so forget rig ethics, it is not safe and can never be. The fins will get caught in net meshes - it will happen less with good angling - but it will happen.
If I had a lake I would ban it. If I had a shop I would not stock it. If I had a business no matter what the cost of tooling and patents I would not bring it to market - I would be clever enough to believe the ‘we got this wrong' is a better long term strategy that shows honesty and integrity.
You don't need to like or dislike Ali or his company. I can't think of a single product that has debuted that risks damage more than this. Lead core maybe? But that was evolution from other types of fishing- can be used safely and wasn't invented for profit.
Hormones, get you more bites - but they are dangerous and illegal- if they were just dangerous would someone bring them to market - with Ali like instructions how to mitigate the serious consequences- would we be debating it?
I hope Ali builds a successful brand, I wish him the very best - I also wish he had enough about him to never release this god awful product. If 75% of people can use it properly 90% of the time, that's a hell of a lot of ripped mouths.
As for the ‘be convinced' ‘try it' brigade it's shameful absolutely shameful. Double hook rigs are safe some of the time - if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck....guess what?
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this is a picture that someone has put on Facebook, you're not telling me a fish towing that through a weed bed or snags isnt going to get snagged??
The lead won't be able to come off the lead clip as the twig will tangled in weed and debris, The fish won't be able to shake the lead off the lead clip due to the spring absorbing the head shakes.
In reply to Post #524
That's an excellent post.
I agree ref the shameful ‘just give it a go' argument.
Internet fishing genius Jordan Realtree put it bestthe other day on Facebook or Instagram when they tries to get him to give it a go. His response was that he didn't need to tread in dog turd to know that it was a dog turd
This whole product is a dog turd!
No hate for Ali from me or his brand. There is now though and I wouldn't touch a single product of theirs after this.
That's an excellent post.
I agree ref the shameful ‘just give it a go' argument.
Internet fishing genius Jordan Realtree put it bestthe other day on Facebook or Instagram when they tries to get him to give it a go. His response was that he didn't need to tread in dog turd to know that it was a dog turd
This whole product is a dog turd!
No hate for Ali from me or his brand. There is now though and I wouldn't touch a single product of theirs after this.
In reply to Post #525
I've not seen it personally to know if it's dangerous mate, apart from in memes. I don't follow any fishing social media like that, I never watch any of it, never have, never will. I would rather insert hot pins into both eyes.
My comments below, were solely on what I have read on this thread, and comments on Faceache.
My comments were regards many people saying you need the lead to set the hook first, so it's all a bit pointless as a self hooking rig. So why market it as that in the first place?
Looking at your photo though Andy.... OMFGG!!!! On the take, in a weedy pit that will rip their faces to bits as they charge off though a weedbed, no wonder so many lakes are banning it.
It's very simple... Forget the self hooking sales patter, get those stupid god awful fins off of the side and just have the elastication to keep the hook in.
Ali's target audience will lap it up, they will sell just as many anyway.... Without causing all of this what's going on now.
I am a bit surprised that no one has asked the question (unless I missed it)... Where are all the prime UK carp caught on this contraption too? If it did what it's supposed too, surely the inventor is the new Terry Hearn right? Got an album stuffed full of premium big UK carp, as he has gone around testing his product?
I've not seen it personally to know if it's dangerous mate, apart from in memes. I don't follow any fishing social media like that, I never watch any of it, never have, never will. I would rather insert hot pins into both eyes.
My comments below, were solely on what I have read on this thread, and comments on Faceache.
My comments were regards many people saying you need the lead to set the hook first, so it's all a bit pointless as a self hooking rig. So why market it as that in the first place?
Looking at your photo though Andy.... OMFGG!!!! On the take, in a weedy pit that will rip their faces to bits as they charge off though a weedbed, no wonder so many lakes are banning it.
It's very simple... Forget the self hooking sales patter, get those stupid god awful fins off of the side and just have the elastication to keep the hook in.
Ali's target audience will lap it up, they will sell just as many anyway.... Without causing all of this what's going on now.
I am a bit surprised that no one has asked the question (unless I missed it)... Where are all the prime UK carp caught on this contraption too? If it did what it's supposed too, surely the inventor is the new Terry Hearn right? Got an album stuffed full of premium big UK carp, as he has gone around testing his product?
In reply to Post #527
That's an interesting point TC. The fins are a disaster. Little anchors. If they had just introduced a spring mechanism, internally, to use elasticity rather than a shock, it could have had merit.
That's an interesting point TC. The fins are a disaster. Little anchors. If they had just introduced a spring mechanism, internally, to use elasticity rather than a shock, it could have had merit.
In reply to Post #527
As you know mate none of the top anglers will use it. Nothing to do with sponsorships etc....it's because they know just from looking at it that it won't work and is not safe.....
As you know mate none of the top anglers will use it. Nothing to do with sponsorships etc....it's because they know just from looking at it that it won't work and is not safe.....
In reply to Post #526
No hate for Ali from me or his brand. There is now though and I wouldn't touch a single product of theirs after this.
No hate for him or their firm but you wouldn't use a single product of theirs. Sounds a bit like hate to me.
No hate for Ali from me or his brand. There is now though and I wouldn't touch a single product of theirs after this.
No hate for him or their firm but you wouldn't use a single product of theirs. Sounds a bit like hate to me.
In reply to Post #529
I feel a bit silly for my first post now after looking at that photo Andy posted. I am so clueless nowadays as I am bolted up 7 days a week working. I have watched all this going on, believing some of it is just hate for Ali.
But after looking at Andy's photo... I am actually dumbfounded. What the actual ****???
The ****ing stupidity of that right there, is actually quite scary. It's a sight to behold.
Midlandman, mate I meant the inventor.... Not any top anglers. No one would would look at that thing without creasing up laughing. I meant, if the contraption was all it was meant to be... The inventor himself would be some carp catching machine.
And then you have the Big Rig type lakes all declaring that thing in the photo is safe??
I feel a bit sick. We are sorry for their actions Mr Leney, Mr Middleton, Mr Hutchinson et al up in the sky.... For they simply do not have a clue, not looking at that photograph below they do not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th3DPAX27sA&t=2s
(Please turn that into a link for me)
I feel a bit silly for my first post now after looking at that photo Andy posted. I am so clueless nowadays as I am bolted up 7 days a week working. I have watched all this going on, believing some of it is just hate for Ali.
But after looking at Andy's photo... I am actually dumbfounded. What the actual ****???
The ****ing stupidity of that right there, is actually quite scary. It's a sight to behold.
Midlandman, mate I meant the inventor.... Not any top anglers. No one would would look at that thing without creasing up laughing. I meant, if the contraption was all it was meant to be... The inventor himself would be some carp catching machine.
And then you have the Big Rig type lakes all declaring that thing in the photo is safe??
I feel a bit sick. We are sorry for their actions Mr Leney, Mr Middleton, Mr Hutchinson et al up in the sky.... For they simply do not have a clue, not looking at that photograph below they do not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th3DPAX27sA&t=2s
(Please turn that into a link for me)
In reply to Post #527
Maybe I understood Ali wrong, but I'm sure he said they trialed ot for several years, in multiple countries, and caught 4 fish?
He spoke about all the underwater filming they did, but I think we only saw 2 seperate clips of fish picking it up, and one was a sh****r.
Maybe I understood Ali wrong, but I'm sure he said they trialed ot for several years, in multiple countries, and caught 4 fish?
He spoke about all the underwater filming they did, but I think we only saw 2 seperate clips of fish picking it up, and one was a sh****r.
In reply to Post #523
That's also the reason that a lot of older anglers absolutely hate him though
I think the reason why people “hate” him is simple. He and his former chums have Konditioned a generation and brought carp fishing from a peaceful pastime where people had respect for each other and just went about their business to a circus full of gob *****s, liars, bull****ters and people that “need” to be famous
As for the product, any company that launched that deserves everything it gets, never mind Ali bonga, fish safety really is number 1 if people really give a ****, that is horrendously poor. If anything we should be trying to minimise end tackle to virtually nothing ffs
That's also the reason that a lot of older anglers absolutely hate him though
I think the reason why people “hate” him is simple. He and his former chums have Konditioned a generation and brought carp fishing from a peaceful pastime where people had respect for each other and just went about their business to a circus full of gob *****s, liars, bull****ters and people that “need” to be famous
As for the product, any company that launched that deserves everything it gets, never mind Ali bonga, fish safety really is number 1 if people really give a ****, that is horrendously poor. If anything we should be trying to minimise end tackle to virtually nothing ffs
In reply to Post #525
What if a fish tries to go through branches and it's 2 branches close together and the line has gone through won't the legs on sides stop it going through further into a snag so surely will damage the fish.
And also if it wasn't Omc bringing it out I could see a lesser named company bringing it out say a NGT or similar
What if a fish tries to go through branches and it's 2 branches close together and the line has gone through won't the legs on sides stop it going through further into a snag so surely will damage the fish.
And also if it wasn't Omc bringing it out I could see a lesser named company bringing it out say a NGT or similar
In reply to Post #533
Your pretty much spot on their Chris, what I hear off actual real Anglers all the time - is that they think a certain few companies have just used Carp fishing as their “Cash Cow” with a total disregard for the consequences of their actions, the only goal has been profit, profit, profit!
This “thing” proves this observation beyond all doubt.
Your pretty much spot on their Chris, what I hear off actual real Anglers all the time - is that they think a certain few companies have just used Carp fishing as their “Cash Cow” with a total disregard for the consequences of their actions, the only goal has been profit, profit, profit!
This “thing” proves this observation beyond all doubt.
In reply to Post #535
Greedy ****s milking it to death Keith trying to cash in on the sheep, easy money
The only thing they give a **** about is the £s
Greedy ****s milking it to death Keith trying to cash in on the sheep, easy money
The only thing they give a **** about is the £s
In reply to Post #525
I don't know how anyone can claim this is safe after seeing pics like this, i have never liked ali since his days on redesmere but this is taking things to another level and promoting and putting this on the market he is going to be responsible for badly harming and possibly killing fish
I don't know how anyone can claim this is safe after seeing pics like this, i have never liked ali since his days on redesmere but this is taking things to another level and promoting and putting this on the market he is going to be responsible for badly harming and possibly killing fish
In reply to Post #538
Agreed. That photo is actually quite chilling.
Agreed. That photo is actually quite chilling.
In reply to Post #536
How can you say that about the likes of Korda,they are doing more than most other companies with the Embryo waters.I know Korda are responsible for the TV shows and bringing carping to the masses which has seen a huge influx of idiots but at least they're putting something back
How can you say that about the likes of Korda,they are doing more than most other companies with the Embryo waters.I know Korda are responsible for the TV shows and bringing carping to the masses which has seen a huge influx of idiots but at least they're putting something back
In reply to Post #538
Anyone who claims that thing is safe, or defends it after looking at that photograph Andy posted, is an absolutely clueless ****. It's quite simple.
Anyone who claims that thing is safe, or defends it after looking at that photograph Andy posted, is an absolutely clueless ****. It's quite simple.
In reply to Post #539
That photograph certainly had that effect on me. How can anybody even start to imagine that thing is safe when a carp rips off on the bite, with those arms splayed out is so beyond me.
Any **** who says them arms will fold back or break.... Put some braid down the side of that fin to the very bottom, and then wrap it around your finger.... Give it a good pull and see what happens. The plastic fin will flex at the top, but ANYTHING that travels to the bottom of the fin against the contraption body will meet a real force.... Nothing like the bendy tip section of the fin.
Your fingers gone if you try it, and you do not need to be a genius to understand that. Think of how the arm on a lead clip works. The bottom of the lug is solid. The lead has to travel to the bendy bit to disengage. When a carp tears off, the lugs on those contraption fins are facing the fish. Anything it goes charging through, strands of weed will bunch down at the strongest lug point of the fin and cause some crazy pressure on the hook link.
Words fail me.
They need to do some serious, serious backtracking real fast, and get them fins off that thing.
That photograph certainly had that effect on me. How can anybody even start to imagine that thing is safe when a carp rips off on the bite, with those arms splayed out is so beyond me.
Any **** who says them arms will fold back or break.... Put some braid down the side of that fin to the very bottom, and then wrap it around your finger.... Give it a good pull and see what happens. The plastic fin will flex at the top, but ANYTHING that travels to the bottom of the fin against the contraption body will meet a real force.... Nothing like the bendy tip section of the fin.
Your fingers gone if you try it, and you do not need to be a genius to understand that. Think of how the arm on a lead clip works. The bottom of the lug is solid. The lead has to travel to the bendy bit to disengage. When a carp tears off, the lugs on those contraption fins are facing the fish. Anything it goes charging through, strands of weed will bunch down at the strongest lug point of the fin and cause some crazy pressure on the hook link.
Words fail me.
They need to do some serious, serious backtracking real fast, and get them fins off that thing.
In reply to Post #540
From what I hear, I assume – with most of these Embryo waters being Club waters that are run on a none-profit basis.
I presume Embryo comes in fits a Otter Fence, bill the Club, the water is then run as a day ticket/book on water until the funds are accumulated to pay off the Otter fence, then the water reverts back to a “None-profit making club water” Correct Tony?
From what I hear, I assume – with most of these Embryo waters being Club waters that are run on a none-profit basis.
I presume Embryo comes in fits a Otter Fence, bill the Club, the water is then run as a day ticket/book on water until the funds are accumulated to pay off the Otter fence, then the water reverts back to a “None-profit making club water” Correct Tony?
In reply to Post #543
I believe Embryo take over the lease and it's run as a syndicate,they will not step on anybodies toes to get a water.I think a club or lake owner has to approach them to take it on,I know they have day ticket waters too,im not 100% sure on the club then taking the water back on though Keith
I believe Embryo take over the lease and it's run as a syndicate,they will not step on anybodies toes to get a water.I think a club or lake owner has to approach them to take it on,I know they have day ticket waters too,im not 100% sure on the club then taking the water back on though Keith
In reply to Post #544
You have pretty much confirmed that the water is then run on a profit basis, probably based on the formula of number of swims per acres = x amount of profit per 24hours, dare I say it "Now a nice little Cash Cow"
You have pretty much confirmed that the water is then run on a profit basis, probably based on the formula of number of swims per acres = x amount of profit per 24hours, dare I say it "Now a nice little Cash Cow"
In reply to Post #545
The prices are not that high compared to alot of syndicates Keith
The prices are not that high compared to alot of syndicates Keith
In reply to Post #540
Jimmy Saville may have molested a load of kids, but he gave a lot back through charity.
Jimmy Saville may have molested a load of kids, but he gave a lot back through charity.
In reply to Post #547
Bit of a sick comparison
Bit of a sick comparison
In reply to Post #547
That's a rather cruel analogy.
That's a rather cruel analogy.
In reply to Post #547
Hahahha
Hahahha
Oh bore off lads. A joke is a joke
In reply to Post #548
It's true though. You cannot dismiss all the bad things people do just because they do some good. It's like praising Shell or BP for planting a few trees. Consumerism and capitalism are the absolute death of this sport.
It's true though. You cannot dismiss all the bad things people do just because they do some good. It's like praising Shell or BP for planting a few trees. Consumerism and capitalism are the absolute death of this sport.
In reply to Post #552
Embryo does a great job of providing fencing at cost for clubs, but also they've taken over leases that clubs held and now run them as day ticket or syndi venues resulting in the loss of an accessible and open water. They've opened up a lot of waters that had no fishing previously which is great though. Probably about levels out in the end. Although you can't replace accessible and cheap club waters with pay as you fish waters.
I thought the business model was the income from day tickets, syndi and exclusive waters offset the labour costs on the fencing side of things as well as the upkeep of the waters too.
Embryo does a great job of providing fencing at cost for clubs, but also they've taken over leases that clubs held and now run them as day ticket or syndi venues resulting in the loss of an accessible and open water. They've opened up a lot of waters that had no fishing previously which is great though. Probably about levels out in the end. Although you can't replace accessible and cheap club waters with pay as you fish waters.
I thought the business model was the income from day tickets, syndi and exclusive waters offset the labour costs on the fencing side of things as well as the upkeep of the waters too.
In reply to Post #552
What are other tackle companies putting back into this hobby of ours
What are other tackle companies putting back into this hobby of ours
In reply to Post #551
Sick joke
Sick joke
In reply to Post #542
There wont be any back tracking mate.
i find it baffling people dont get why the gizmo is an issue.
I also would love to know what other tackle manufactures think of it all
There wont be any back tracking mate.
i find it baffling people dont get why the gizmo is an issue.
I also would love to know what other tackle manufactures think of it all
In reply to Post #556
Nash banned it on his lakes so no chance they will be copying it
Nash banned it on his lakes so no chance they will be copying it
In reply to Post #557
Will Korda ban it next?
Will Korda ban it next?
In reply to Post #556
I actually pity anyone that sees no problem with it,they mustn't understand rig safety one bit any fisherythat allows it deserve to lose fish being snagged or tethered...unfortunately cash is king and most of them allowing this device either sell it in their shop or allow hamidi to film on their waters giving them free publicity
I actually pity anyone that sees no problem with it,they mustn't understand rig safety one bit any fisherythat allows it deserve to lose fish being snagged or tethered...unfortunately cash is king and most of them allowing this device either sell it in their shop or allow hamidi to film on their waters giving them free publicity
In reply to Post #525
Excellent picture and exactly why I ordered a packet of twigs to test out for myself, (non fishing situation) to see how it actually works. My concern was indeed this, could a fish hook itself on the twig and also eject the lead.....I couldn't see how it was physically possible and this appears to bac the theaory up...
Excellent picture and exactly why I ordered a packet of twigs to test out for myself, (non fishing situation) to see how it actually works. My concern was indeed this, could a fish hook itself on the twig and also eject the lead.....I couldn't see how it was physically possible and this appears to bac the theaory up...
In reply to Post #556
I've said to a couple of lake owners its great - anyone that defends it can just be banned without checking their rigs
I've said to a couple of lake owners its great - anyone that defends it can just be banned without checking their rigs
I think it was designed as an automatic / self hooking rig, and they were informed of the byelaws stating these things are not allowed, they have then significantly upped the strength of pull prequired to activate the spring effect - which effectively renders it pretty useless.
What happens next is you will have people modifying the spring / elastic bungee inside to make the trigger release under a lot less pressure.
What happens next is you will have people modifying the spring / elastic bungee inside to make the trigger release under a lot less pressure.
In reply to Post #562
When I had a look at one the other day the 4.5oz resistance one will defiantly hook bream and tench no worries. When the leads plugged it will be even easier to trigger. Have lipless bream across the country
When I had a look at one the other day the 4.5oz resistance one will defiantly hook bream and tench no worries. When the leads plugged it will be even easier to trigger. Have lipless bream across the country
In reply to Post #562
Carp anglers with a brain, have been adapting , and altering / improving rigs since floating crust was invented. It's just the way people's brains work.(some). However some draw the line at developments that have potential for fish damage. You surely wouldn't use a bait that was absolutely irresistible to carp , if it was ultimately poisonous to them in the long term. The catch at no cost brigade, probably would anyway.
Carp anglers with a brain, have been adapting , and altering / improving rigs since floating crust was invented. It's just the way people's brains work.(some). However some draw the line at developments that have potential for fish damage. You surely wouldn't use a bait that was absolutely irresistible to carp , if it was ultimately poisonous to them in the long term. The catch at no cost brigade, probably would anyway.
In reply to Post #552
Well said.
When you have danced with the devil you have shown your true colours, they don't give one **** about anything other than the “hard sell” £££££££
Unless they are still trying to paint a false picture that now fits with “folk” because they are now out of place...
What a bunch of ****ing knob heads, carp angling cocks wearing a Rolex, leave it to the real people, the ones with a true passion, not an invested interest
Well said.
When you have danced with the devil you have shown your true colours, they don't give one **** about anything other than the “hard sell” £££££££
Unless they are still trying to paint a false picture that now fits with “folk” because they are now out of place...
What a bunch of ****ing knob heads, carp angling cocks wearing a Rolex, leave it to the real people, the ones with a true passion, not an invested interest
In reply to Post #565
So I shouldn't go fishing because I have Rolex watches
So I shouldn't go fishing because I have Rolex watches
In reply to Post #566
Not necessarily
But I'd avoid ormsgill reservoir and pilsworth if I were you...
Not necessarily
But I'd avoid ormsgill reservoir and pilsworth if I were you...
In reply to Post #567
Bit dodgy are they
Bit dodgy are they
In reply to Post #568
If 'shameless' was set on a fishery...
If 'shameless' was set on a fishery...
In reply to Post #569
That's where Scozza lives isn't it
That's where Scozza lives isn't it
In reply to Post #562
When we had the video call with Ali and I mentioned the self striking element being against fishery bylaws he didn't have a clue about it and said he's ask his mate at the angling trust to look into it for him... but the horse has already bolted...
When we had the video call with Ali and I mentioned the self striking element being against fishery bylaws he didn't have a clue about it and said he's ask his mate at the angling trust to look into it for him... but the horse has already bolted...
In reply to Post #531
Just to add...
I do think the twig is an abomination in terms of fish safety and ethics as well as finding Ali and the hype marketing irritating AF.
All of these in combination have contributed to the discussion, however, Ali being who he is, an irritant from the Korda stable, has made it all the more worse than it would have otherwise been I reckon.
Just to add...
I do think the twig is an abomination in terms of fish safety and ethics as well as finding Ali and the hype marketing irritating AF.
All of these in combination have contributed to the discussion, however, Ali being who he is, an irritant from the Korda stable, has made it all the more worse than it would have otherwise been I reckon.
In reply to Post #572
That could be one of the reasons Danny didn't give him what he wanted,maybe Danny had enough of his antics and childish behaviour
That could be one of the reasons Danny didn't give him what he wanted,maybe Danny had enough of his antics and childish behaviour
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/19/anglers-self-triggering-hook-device/
In reply to Post #574
That will give the anti brigade great ammunition
That will give the anti brigade great ammunition
In reply to Post #575
How can you trust someone who on a Friday said that Trakker tempests , delkims buzzers and bobbins , diawa rods and reels were the very best , and on the Monday they were dropped like a hot potato 🙄 . Searching for a different item to bring to market to make OMC just more than an average carp company means you sell your morals as well
How can you trust someone who on a Friday said that Trakker tempests , delkims buzzers and bobbins , diawa rods and reels were the very best , and on the Monday they were dropped like a hot potato 🙄 . Searching for a different item to bring to market to make OMC just more than an average carp company means you sell your morals as well
In reply to Post #571
It's this part right here that I do not understand Baitman. How on Earth anyone ever thought that it would be okay, is totally baffling.
Clear stupidity. They can scream that they are being bullied now as much as they want. They created all of this, deliberately as well in my view. The lack of simple understanding of the market is shocking. It's all well and good courting all the novice anglers.... But they are about to find out that their novice clientele, will not hang around to long... Not when all and sundry are calling them nods and laughing at them.
Joss, the newspaper link that Carpman printed below is just the start mate, you know that better than most. The revulsion this is causing among carp anglers and lake owners..... What do you honestly think that the antis are going to make of all this? He is playing with real fire and needs to backtrack. Just hold your hands up, admit you got it slightly wrong and get the fins off. He is making himself a total laughing stock. That laughing, will soon turn to something else if they start causing real chaos in the world outside our hobby with this contraption. They will change the game alright, by ****ing it up completely!
Get those stupid fins off of the side. You can't have a commercial self striking rig contraption. Any ****ing idiot could have told him that. Clearly, the media man is great at publicity, but has absolutely ZERO clue when it comes to product, or even anglers morals in our hobby. None whatsoever.
It's this part right here that I do not understand Baitman. How on Earth anyone ever thought that it would be okay, is totally baffling.
Clear stupidity. They can scream that they are being bullied now as much as they want. They created all of this, deliberately as well in my view. The lack of simple understanding of the market is shocking. It's all well and good courting all the novice anglers.... But they are about to find out that their novice clientele, will not hang around to long... Not when all and sundry are calling them nods and laughing at them.
Joss, the newspaper link that Carpman printed below is just the start mate, you know that better than most. The revulsion this is causing among carp anglers and lake owners..... What do you honestly think that the antis are going to make of all this? He is playing with real fire and needs to backtrack. Just hold your hands up, admit you got it slightly wrong and get the fins off. He is making himself a total laughing stock. That laughing, will soon turn to something else if they start causing real chaos in the world outside our hobby with this contraption. They will change the game alright, by ****ing it up completely!
Get those stupid fins off of the side. You can't have a commercial self striking rig contraption. Any ****ing idiot could have told him that. Clearly, the media man is great at publicity, but has absolutely ZERO clue when it comes to product, or even anglers morals in our hobby. None whatsoever.
In reply to Post #574
Omc owned by Hamidi 😂
Omc owned by Hamidi 😂
In reply to Post #567
Pmsl
Pmsl
In reply to Post #577
They can scream that they are being bullied now as much as they want
Is that what they are saying lol
They stand on a soap box trying to sell the latest thing (£) which is stupidly dangerous and because people disagree with them they are being bullied ffs, classic
Maybe we are all green eyed monsters too
They can scream that they are being bullied now as much as they want
Is that what they are saying lol
They stand on a soap box trying to sell the latest thing (£) which is stupidly dangerous and because people disagree with them they are being bullied ffs, classic
Maybe we are all green eyed monsters too
In reply to Post #577
This is what I posted two weeks ago in my fishery management group...
This is what I posted two weeks ago in my fishery management group...
In reply to Post #580
After looking at Andy's photo on here yesterday, curiosity got the better and I had to go have a look. I'd seen a couple of comments previous, only because faceache friends had commented on things.
First two posts I saw, were referencing being bullied, or bullies never win, something like that in the hash-tags.
After looking at Andy's photo on here yesterday, curiosity got the better and I had to go have a look. I'd seen a couple of comments previous, only because faceache friends had commented on things.
First two posts I saw, were referencing being bullied, or bullies never win, something like that in the hash-tags.
In reply to Post #581
I only saw it properly yesterday. As explained before, I am lost to the outside world these days because of work. I don't consume any of this type of media at all. I warned on here a month or two ago, about carpers being very careful consuming certain types of media. The underwater cameras would appear to be the new selling tool.
You were bang right Dave. You hit the nail on the head completely.
Yesterday I went to have a look after all I wrote. Loads of photos of customers now online with the product. There is no going back for them it seems. There is a ****ing spring in it, not elastic. A ****ing metal spring. It just gets worse and worse. Everything I wrote yesterday about the lug strength next to the contraptions body, and what will happen on the bite, as a fish charges off through weed.... Well this photo right here shows that very clearly. Any weed is going to gather and bunch at the bottom of that lug as a fish rips off. Forget the bendy end bit, that is just to set the trap. All pressure will be on the bottom of the fin, at the strongest point. I cannot comprehend how stupid this all is.
He can chat about his friends at the Angling Trust all he wants as you or someone else mentioned previously... RDAA were among the first big fishing clubs to ban it, and they are intrinsically linked with the AT as far as I know! Fairplay to Kevin Nash for banning it from his lakes too. That's a statement.
I only saw it properly yesterday. As explained before, I am lost to the outside world these days because of work. I don't consume any of this type of media at all. I warned on here a month or two ago, about carpers being very careful consuming certain types of media. The underwater cameras would appear to be the new selling tool.
You were bang right Dave. You hit the nail on the head completely.
Yesterday I went to have a look after all I wrote. Loads of photos of customers now online with the product. There is no going back for them it seems. There is a ****ing spring in it, not elastic. A ****ing metal spring. It just gets worse and worse. Everything I wrote yesterday about the lug strength next to the contraptions body, and what will happen on the bite, as a fish charges off through weed.... Well this photo right here shows that very clearly. Any weed is going to gather and bunch at the bottom of that lug as a fish rips off. Forget the bendy end bit, that is just to set the trap. All pressure will be on the bottom of the fin, at the strongest point. I cannot comprehend how stupid this all is.
He can chat about his friends at the Angling Trust all he wants as you or someone else mentioned previously... RDAA were among the first big fishing clubs to ban it, and they are intrinsically linked with the AT as far as I know! Fairplay to Kevin Nash for banning it from his lakes too. That's a statement.
In reply to Post #583
Well done this really needs focusing on. You're right about the arms, it's the join that will catch on landing net mesh, weed etc. at this point it will be unbreakable. We all know that weed is like a snowball. A tiny bit becomes a small bit which becomes a medium bit which becomes a weedbed.
I'm livid. Not going to let this drop. Any body who endorses, uses or sells this is adding a nail into fishings coffin.
Well done this really needs focusing on. You're right about the arms, it's the join that will catch on landing net mesh, weed etc. at this point it will be unbreakable. We all know that weed is like a snowball. A tiny bit becomes a small bit which becomes a medium bit which becomes a weedbed.
I'm livid. Not going to let this drop. Any body who endorses, uses or sells this is adding a nail into fishings coffin.
In reply to Post #583
Just seen on facebook (the algorithm doing it's job) some lake owner in France (crystal waters) tested it by casting it through some weed a couple of times and declaring it safe and good to go. Biggest fish in the lake is 83lb
No mention of crack offs, or landing fish and getting tangled in the net (which is still my biggest concern)
Just seen on facebook (the algorithm doing it's job) some lake owner in France (crystal waters) tested it by casting it through some weed a couple of times and declaring it safe and good to go. Biggest fish in the lake is 83lb
No mention of crack offs, or landing fish and getting tangled in the net (which is still my biggest concern)
In reply to Post #583
They could take it off the market today . It won't change the fact there are thousands out there now . All ready to potentially damage the carps mouths. You can ban it from any fisheries but they will still be used by the same people who break rules.
This product is a sad day for real angling. Will he care no its just the fame he wants .
They could take it off the market today . It won't change the fact there are thousands out there now . All ready to potentially damage the carps mouths. You can ban it from any fisheries but they will still be used by the same people who break rules.
This product is a sad day for real angling. Will he care no its just the fame he wants .
It wouldn't surprise me if one or two companies aren't developing/looking at a similar sort of thing,time will tell.
What shocks me is there are people who think it's acceptable.people will buy it though.
This is why I hate the modern just add water carp scene.
What shocks me is there are people who think it's acceptable.people will buy it though.
This is why I hate the modern just add water carp scene.
In reply to Post #584
Those arms wont break easy...there's literally NO weak point in the "armpit".
The more i see this, the more i think how ridiculous i think this product is
Those arms wont break easy...there's literally NO weak point in the "armpit".
The more i see this, the more i think how ridiculous i think this product is
for me this breaks down to two parts,
1) Does the angling Community need such a device, a self hooking device (but doesn't self hook as the fish needs to be hooked to activate the device) The Anti's will be all over this.
2) the safety aspect of this of which there are many.
Starting from the actual set up of the device on a lead clip, if you're wanting to drop the lead,the cushioning of the spring will negate the ability for the carp to shake the lead off the lead clip. likewise in the event of a crack off or being snapped not only will the carp not be able to get rid of the lead by shaking its head, the lead isn't going to pull off the clip as the twig will be taking all the pressure whilst going through the weed,debris and snags
Once hooked and the fish bolts,this is one of ali's usp's of the twig,no finicky takes just one toners,if the fish bolts through weed and them arms are open they'll stop a carp pretty dam quick as the twig gathers weed.
Any crack offs or line parting,even if the lead has come off,them arms sticking out are going to gather weed,debris and caught in snags.
Once netted, the arms are likely to catch in the net, ali recommends unhooking all fish in the net but the target audience for thus device is likely to never have done that and also its not always possible even for experience anglers or terrain of the banks etc.
Aswell as all the above I question the actual working of the device, if your fishing with pop up,ronnie,shr,multi rig the fish is in no way in direct contact with the device as it tilts down and feeds on the pop up, the fish will have to be hooked and moving off to actually activate the device, infact I question that for this device to go off at all the fish has to be hooked from the off to create the pressure to activate the device.
If someone came to any tackle manufacturer and said ive got this device, but it comes with all the above problems.....how many of the manufacturers would say we love it,let's press on and release it
1) Does the angling Community need such a device, a self hooking device (but doesn't self hook as the fish needs to be hooked to activate the device) The Anti's will be all over this.
2) the safety aspect of this of which there are many.
Starting from the actual set up of the device on a lead clip, if you're wanting to drop the lead,the cushioning of the spring will negate the ability for the carp to shake the lead off the lead clip. likewise in the event of a crack off or being snapped not only will the carp not be able to get rid of the lead by shaking its head, the lead isn't going to pull off the clip as the twig will be taking all the pressure whilst going through the weed,debris and snags
Once hooked and the fish bolts,this is one of ali's usp's of the twig,no finicky takes just one toners,if the fish bolts through weed and them arms are open they'll stop a carp pretty dam quick as the twig gathers weed.
Any crack offs or line parting,even if the lead has come off,them arms sticking out are going to gather weed,debris and caught in snags.
Once netted, the arms are likely to catch in the net, ali recommends unhooking all fish in the net but the target audience for thus device is likely to never have done that and also its not always possible even for experience anglers or terrain of the banks etc.
Aswell as all the above I question the actual working of the device, if your fishing with pop up,ronnie,shr,multi rig the fish is in no way in direct contact with the device as it tilts down and feeds on the pop up, the fish will have to be hooked and moving off to actually activate the device, infact I question that for this device to go off at all the fish has to be hooked from the off to create the pressure to activate the device.
If someone came to any tackle manufacturer and said ive got this device, but it comes with all the above problems.....how many of the manufacturers would say we love it,let's press on and release it
In reply to Post #587
I've decided I won't be buying any OMC products. I dont like the morals of the company. So why pay there wages . Its a shame we can't do the same with the water companies.
I've decided I won't be buying any OMC products. I dont like the morals of the company. So why pay there wages . Its a shame we can't do the same with the water companies.
In reply to Post #590
If you are applying that logic, someone making a bit of fishing tackle and the water companies are the least of the moral problem....
If you are applying that logic, someone making a bit of fishing tackle and the water companies are the least of the moral problem....
Clearly it's going to get caught in the net and cause serious mouth damage. But the very moment I looked at Andy's photo of the carp being landed, with the plastic prongs sticking right out and facing the fish.... I could see in an instant what is going to happen on the bite in a weedy pit! There will be no mouth damage in the net.... Because that thing is going to rip their mouth off as they charge through a weedbed on the bite (standard procedure). That will unhook them, but ripping the hook out! Get a bite.... Screaming run, get to the rod as it stops... Wind in a pair of carps lips.
Armpit is the perfect description Joss. The contraption has to land the fish, line does not run through it like a lead clip. So the contraption HAS to be strong obviously.
That photo exposing the spring, you can clearly see the strength of the armpit of those fins. They are fused into the body of the contraption itself. The force a big carp can exert when it goes charging off is immense. That's why when they are tethered, they will just rip their own face off.
On weedy pits... That thing is going to destroy the fishes mouths so rapidly. It's going to rip the hook out before the angler even makes it to the rod. I think they have really ****ed up big time personally. Weedless, soulless holes in the ground. That's the market. **** the rest of carp fishing. **** the consequences. A loaded metal spring, similar to what a gun has. That's how the anti's will see this. It's so wrong on two completely different levels for carp fishing.
I am likely not going to comment on this anymore, it's such a wind up. I will say something really bad.
Armpit is the perfect description Joss. The contraption has to land the fish, line does not run through it like a lead clip. So the contraption HAS to be strong obviously.
That photo exposing the spring, you can clearly see the strength of the armpit of those fins. They are fused into the body of the contraption itself. The force a big carp can exert when it goes charging off is immense. That's why when they are tethered, they will just rip their own face off.
On weedy pits... That thing is going to destroy the fishes mouths so rapidly. It's going to rip the hook out before the angler even makes it to the rod. I think they have really ****ed up big time personally. Weedless, soulless holes in the ground. That's the market. **** the rest of carp fishing. **** the consequences. A loaded metal spring, similar to what a gun has. That's how the anti's will see this. It's so wrong on two completely different levels for carp fishing.
I am likely not going to comment on this anymore, it's such a wind up. I will say something really bad.
In reply to Post #592
“ Weedless, soulless holes in the ground. That's the market. **** the rest of carp fishing. **** the consequences. ”
Target audience judging by the people defending it, and the waters allowing it.
“ Weedless, soulless holes in the ground. That's the market. **** the rest of carp fishing. **** the consequences. ”
Target audience judging by the people defending it, and the waters allowing it.
In reply to Post #574
The problem with Ali's ambition he could be the one whom actually succeeds in only putting anglers and the sport in a negative light.
Not looking forward to getting covered in orange paint...
The problem with Ali's ambition he could be the one whom actually succeeds in only putting anglers and the sport in a negative light.
Not looking forward to getting covered in orange paint...
In reply to Post #592
Say it TC. This one's a bit different to the usual niggles. You've got more sway than the rest of us. You're highly respected and put things across in a very straightforward manner.
This one's a real problem.
Say it TC. This one's a bit different to the usual niggles. You've got more sway than the rest of us. You're highly respected and put things across in a very straightforward manner.
This one's a real problem.
In reply to Post #594
Go a bit further in to the whole crack off thing, it's a metal spring which won't degrade or potentially snap like elastic would. I get that design wise this is exactly why they use it but cmon, having the worst case fail safe of the device breaks apart and leaves the arms behind would surely have been a good idea?
Go a bit further in to the whole crack off thing, it's a metal spring which won't degrade or potentially snap like elastic would. I get that design wise this is exactly why they use it but cmon, having the worst case fail safe of the device breaks apart and leaves the arms behind would surely have been a good idea?
In reply to Post #594
I would also add that when buying items from now on if a tackle company is stocking these products I may consider taking my money elsewhere..
I would also add that when buying items from now on if a tackle company is stocking these products I may consider taking my money elsewhere..
Firstly i dont agree with any self hooking contraptions, but putting this aside, as I see it the reason for the fins is to hold /set the spring loaded mechanism,
This could be designed with out the need for fins, would this cost of money in development , yes no doubt, but it could be done, very similar deign but locks a slightly different way.
Just thinking off the top of my head cylindercal casing that locks with out the need for fins could be designed, there are other items which lock for other purposes ( not in fishing) a very small ball bearing on s spring, similar to the idea of bales cabinet latch could be incorporated and I'm sure other less dangerous things could be designed. Or even if you must use fins ones that detach totally upon activation, he could then sell the spare fins and make even more money.
Or the best option,one i prefer is.... Hold your hand up say you got so caught up in the making of the rig, the safety factor was totally over looked and you got it so wrong,
This could be designed with out the need for fins, would this cost of money in development , yes no doubt, but it could be done, very similar deign but locks a slightly different way.
Just thinking off the top of my head cylindercal casing that locks with out the need for fins could be designed, there are other items which lock for other purposes ( not in fishing) a very small ball bearing on s spring, similar to the idea of bales cabinet latch could be incorporated and I'm sure other less dangerous things could be designed. Or even if you must use fins ones that detach totally upon activation, he could then sell the spare fins and make even more money.
Or the best option,one i prefer is.... Hold your hand up say you got so caught up in the making of the rig, the safety factor was totally over looked and you got it so wrong,
In reply to Post #590
You can vote out the cahnts that have allowed it.
You can vote out the cahnts that have allowed it.
In reply to Post #599
Firstly all other bungee type rigs do not snap back like a rat trap .
Secondly lots of fishery owners are back tracking and getting twitchy as most of the target money spenders may well want to use it 🤔
Thirdly my no publicity water has no banned it , because they don't need to 😉
Firstly all other bungee type rigs do not snap back like a rat trap .
Secondly lots of fishery owners are back tracking and getting twitchy as most of the target money spenders may well want to use it 🤔
Thirdly my no publicity water has no banned it , because they don't need to 😉
In reply to Post #600
Looked on Facebook earlier and noticed a lot more lakes have banned it since release.
Also read some nod moaning that he had to pva tape the rig before every cast and was winding it in triggered!
Looked on Facebook earlier and noticed a lot more lakes have banned it since release.
Also read some nod moaning that he had to pva tape the rig before every cast and was winding it in triggered!
Tell you what this ain't half great at weeking out the fishery owners who don't have a clue. See that French lake that have tested it and can't find anything wrong. They tested it by casting it in the weed and seeing of it snagged up. That's it. Didn't snag up, safe to use. Nobody has suggested that is a safety concern. Are these people just complete idiots?
In reply to Post #602
I really wish I knew how to share videos.
Go on the Face book Redmire Pool Open Group. A guy on there has bought one and reviews it. It is damning to say the least. It wants the granny sharing out of it.
I really wish I knew how to share videos.
Go on the Face book Redmire Pool Open Group. A guy on there has bought one and reviews it. It is damning to say the least. It wants the granny sharing out of it.
In reply to Post #603
Currently waiting for my join request to be approved to see it.
Currently waiting for my join request to be approved to see it.
In reply to Post #602
I've just watched that video. The plastic seems to bend like the cap on a biro. No way is that snapping off. If it catches on anything the carps lip is taking all the strain not an inch of spring.
I've just watched that video. The plastic seems to bend like the cap on a biro. No way is that snapping off. If it catches on anything the carps lip is taking all the strain not an inch of spring.
In reply to Post #605
It's the memory in the plastic as well. Once stretched back it stays stretched back.....in exactly the shape of my castable weed rake!!!
It's the memory in the plastic as well. Once stretched back it stays stretched back.....in exactly the shape of my castable weed rake!!!
In reply to Post #605
It would be interesting to see how much bend on a rod it would take to trigger . Might show a few it's a waste of time in the first place. 🤔
It would be interesting to see how much bend on a rod it would take to trigger . Might show a few it's a waste of time in the first place. 🤔
From the guys review on the Redmire page, he's tried to break the arms,bent them all the way back on themselves.
what's worrying is the shape of them returning to after he's bent them back.
what's worrying is the shape of them returning to after he's bent them back.
In reply to Post #608
Maybe baitman can verify this as only passed on to me
A question was asked on the teams call as to what the make up of the plastic is and OMC didn't know?
Maybe baitman can verify this as only passed on to me
A question was asked on the teams call as to what the make up of the plastic is and OMC didn't know?
In reply to Post #533
I think the reason why people “hate” him is simple. He and his former chums have Konditioned a generation and brought carp fishing from a peaceful pastime where people had respect for each other and just went about their business to a circus full of gob *****s, liars, bull****ters and people that “need” to be famous
I absolutley agree with this .... Korda marketing was awful to begin with and is partly responsible for changing carp fishing forever. Some of it bad (as described above) but also some good (product range, embryo, underwater filming, TV etc and generally dragging carp fishing kicking and screaming into a modern world!).
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With regards the "bad" (imo) i do think Korda have thankfully "softened" in recent years (especially since Ali has left) .... and for me, is much more palatable.
Ali on the otherhand seems hell bent on staying in "full on/shouty/chavvy" mode (maybe, because it was such a successful tactic for Korda?) but I do think times have changed/moved on and this along with this type of product risks his own and OMC's future in the long term.
When i heard his interview on one of the podcasts around I actually warmed to him far more in this environment. I hope he has a good support network around him, as i do think he must be under immense pressure with this.
I think the reason why people “hate” him is simple. He and his former chums have Konditioned a generation and brought carp fishing from a peaceful pastime where people had respect for each other and just went about their business to a circus full of gob *****s, liars, bull****ters and people that “need” to be famous
I absolutley agree with this .... Korda marketing was awful to begin with and is partly responsible for changing carp fishing forever. Some of it bad (as described above) but also some good (product range, embryo, underwater filming, TV etc and generally dragging carp fishing kicking and screaming into a modern world!).
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With regards the "bad" (imo) i do think Korda have thankfully "softened" in recent years (especially since Ali has left) .... and for me, is much more palatable.
Ali on the otherhand seems hell bent on staying in "full on/shouty/chavvy" mode (maybe, because it was such a successful tactic for Korda?) but I do think times have changed/moved on and this along with this type of product risks his own and OMC's future in the long term.
When i heard his interview on one of the podcasts around I actually warmed to him far more in this environment. I hope he has a good support network around him, as i do think he must be under immense pressure with this.
In reply to Post #610
I thought kordas marketing was always pretty balanced, they brought out thinking tackle, and then the free DVD's which were always pretty good. I thought Ali leaving to go it alone (albeit with massive funding) was pretty arrogant and I can imagine Korda were a bit pissed as well. In the same way I didn't like the effect Angling Direct had on our pastime, I don't like the direction Ali is taking, with this thing being the final straw. I will always consciously avoid OMC products as a result.
I will say again, the army of pro OMC people on his social media is absolutely mind blowing.... BUT... a massive online following does not mean massive sales. This 'all publicity is good publicity' is a complete myth. Many of these young lads just want the interaction with someone 'famous'
I thought kordas marketing was always pretty balanced, they brought out thinking tackle, and then the free DVD's which were always pretty good. I thought Ali leaving to go it alone (albeit with massive funding) was pretty arrogant and I can imagine Korda were a bit pissed as well. In the same way I didn't like the effect Angling Direct had on our pastime, I don't like the direction Ali is taking, with this thing being the final straw. I will always consciously avoid OMC products as a result.
I will say again, the army of pro OMC people on his social media is absolutely mind blowing.... BUT... a massive online following does not mean massive sales. This 'all publicity is good publicity' is a complete myth. Many of these young lads just want the interaction with someone 'famous'
In reply to Post #602
Crystal Waters?
That actually shocks me knowing the owner and Drafty
Crystal Waters?
That actually shocks me knowing the owner and Drafty
In reply to Post #609
Ali didn't know, but he asked the omc tech guy who was on the call and he did offer a response but I don't know the detail.
Ali didn't know, but he asked the omc tech guy who was on the call and he did offer a response but I don't know the detail.
Does anyone know if the EA in the Thames area have looked at this yet to see if it falls foul of the byelaw around automatic hooking devices?
I know it doesn't operate like that but it was originally marketed as pretty much that. “Hook every carp that comes near you”
A big market to lose is the Thames area!
I know it doesn't operate like that but it was originally marketed as pretty much that. “Hook every carp that comes near you”
A big market to lose is the Thames area!
In reply to Post #614
I think its been mentioned earlier in the thread and it's banned
I think its been mentioned earlier in the thread and it's banned
In reply to Post #614
I've read that the EA have said they mean devices that are made to be left unattended..but that could just be internet hearsay
I've read that the EA have said they mean devices that are made to be left unattended..but that could just be internet hearsay
I cannot believe how many ppl on YouTube and omc Facebook are defending this contraption
In reply to Post #617
Sheep 🐑
Sheep 🐑
Haven't heard of this thing before, but my main two problems with it are these:
1: It's going to get caught in a net and cause mouth damage, those plastic clips on the side will get stuck in most mesh, which is always going to be a problem - especially with more novice anglers.
2: Presumably, for the self-hooking spring-back mechanism to work, the swivel which attaches to the hooklength, must be very firmly attached or fixed to the twig itself, (so it will work) so I don't see how it would pull away or detatch if snagged in weed.
Lastly, I don't really see what problem it solves... If you're using a well balanced, correctly tied rig presented correctly, with a sharp hook - a normal rig should work fine.
1: It's going to get caught in a net and cause mouth damage, those plastic clips on the side will get stuck in most mesh, which is always going to be a problem - especially with more novice anglers.
2: Presumably, for the self-hooking spring-back mechanism to work, the swivel which attaches to the hooklength, must be very firmly attached or fixed to the twig itself, (so it will work) so I don't see how it would pull away or detatch if snagged in weed.
Lastly, I don't really see what problem it solves... If you're using a well balanced, correctly tied rig presented correctly, with a sharp hook - a normal rig should work fine.
In reply to Post #618
Exactly that, look at the pictures of it in post 608, that is truly horrendous, snag me up.com
So much for fish safety, all these years of advocating that people must drop the lead
Exactly that, look at the pictures of it in post 608, that is truly horrendous, snag me up.com
So much for fish safety, all these years of advocating that people must drop the lead
In reply to Post #620
they made alot of money advocating dropping leads
they made alot of money advocating dropping leads
In reply to Post #620
This is what interests me the most, I cannot see with a normal leadclip arrangement how the lead can possibly drop/eject...?
This is what interests me the most, I cannot see with a normal leadclip arrangement how the lead can possibly drop/eject...?
Everything I said about the armpit strength, and ripping big carps faces off as they bolt through weed on the bite, can be seen so clearly here.
5kg of boilies hanging off of those ****ing arms.
Sad times for carp angling right now. The saddest.
Better for the minority within carp fishing to know that you're all in fact complete nods.... Than to start screaming it from the rooftops, and confirm it to the whole world. Any lake owners claiming this is safe, hang your totally clueless heads in shame.
If you cannot see how this contraption is going to rip their faces off, you are a ****. None of these people should be allowed anywhere near ****ing Lego bricks, let alone rig components being sold to the novice masses. Not if this is the results. It's so scary that it defies belief.
5kg of boilies hanging off of those ****ing arms.
Sad times for carp angling right now. The saddest.
Better for the minority within carp fishing to know that you're all in fact complete nods.... Than to start screaming it from the rooftops, and confirm it to the whole world. Any lake owners claiming this is safe, hang your totally clueless heads in shame.
If you cannot see how this contraption is going to rip their faces off, you are a ****. None of these people should be allowed anywhere near ****ing Lego bricks, let alone rig components being sold to the novice masses. Not if this is the results. It's so scary that it defies belief.
It really is disgraceful that they are not doing anything about this product if ali had anything about him he would stand up and admit there are problems with the arms and pull the product.
The denials and claims that this product is safe is also utterly disgraceful these people need to take a long hard look at themselves grow some balls and admit they got it wrong.
The denials and claims that this product is safe is also utterly disgraceful these people need to take a long hard look at themselves grow some balls and admit they got it wrong.
I totally agree TC.
I'm absolutely shocked this has been released.
After 20 years doing everything we can to protect our quarry in the event of a mishap, overnight, we have a plastic anchor permanently attached to a hook length
When a poor fish dies because of this, the only saving grace is it is going to be very easy to realise why the death occurred on the basis of this anchor being attached to the poor animal - and we'll very easily know where we need to go looking to explain it.
Probably the darkest moment I recall in the sport - I don't really want to fish anywhere where I fear people might be using this horror show along side me. I certainly won't visit venues that permit it. Sensibly, all my clubs have outlawed it but I was intending on doing a few nights on Linear next month - that's absolutely not happening now.
It tells you everything you need to know about those behind this abhorrent piece of equipment.
I'm absolutely shocked this has been released.
After 20 years doing everything we can to protect our quarry in the event of a mishap, overnight, we have a plastic anchor permanently attached to a hook length
When a poor fish dies because of this, the only saving grace is it is going to be very easy to realise why the death occurred on the basis of this anchor being attached to the poor animal - and we'll very easily know where we need to go looking to explain it.
Probably the darkest moment I recall in the sport - I don't really want to fish anywhere where I fear people might be using this horror show along side me. I certainly won't visit venues that permit it. Sensibly, all my clubs have outlawed it but I was intending on doing a few nights on Linear next month - that's absolutely not happening now.
It tells you everything you need to know about those behind this abhorrent piece of equipment.
In reply to Post #626
Its below on this page
Its below on this page
Rumour has it that Chris Yates was seen yesterday fishing the River Nadder for gudgeon using a Magic Twig.
In reply to Post #625
I fully believe it will kill carp , judging by some of the support a lot of so called anglers and lake owners will be oblivious to it, could you imagine the outcry and god forbid a known big fish or special fish gets tethered and dies from this contraption.
Just to clarify i don't think any carp should have to suffer the risk of being tethered by this needless device.
Ali and omc you really need to wake up to the potential danger this thing can cause
I fully believe it will kill carp , judging by some of the support a lot of so called anglers and lake owners will be oblivious to it, could you imagine the outcry and god forbid a known big fish or special fish gets tethered and dies from this contraption.
Just to clarify i don't think any carp should have to suffer the risk of being tethered by this needless device.
Ali and omc you really need to wake up to the potential danger this thing can cause
In reply to Post #629
If you actualy watch the lads YouTube who do the underwater filming you will see the magic twig does not even trigger when the carp picks up the bait and shakes its head.
I find it hard to belive that the 1inch bit of elastic that's inside will even set the hook the only thing I can see this doing is giving it abit of stretch when playing the fish. Nothing the nash trigger link can't do.
Sharp hooks and heavy leads is the way forward
From what I can tell its just good marketing to catch the angler not the fish.
If you actualy watch the lads YouTube who do the underwater filming you will see the magic twig does not even trigger when the carp picks up the bait and shakes its head.
I find it hard to belive that the 1inch bit of elastic that's inside will even set the hook the only thing I can see this doing is giving it abit of stretch when playing the fish. Nothing the nash trigger link can't do.
Sharp hooks and heavy leads is the way forward
From what I can tell its just good marketing to catch the angler not the fish.
In reply to Post #630
It's a metal spring, not elastic inside
It's a metal spring, not elastic inside
In reply to Post #608
No idea why they cannot put a rebate in the arms at the bend so that it can snap off / bend fully back on itself at the very least . . .tool change £ cost presumably but not a massive amendment. Great idea poorly considered and executed - wonder if the original inventor has gone into hiding?
No idea why they cannot put a rebate in the arms at the bend so that it can snap off / bend fully back on itself at the very least . . .tool change £ cost presumably but not a massive amendment. Great idea poorly considered and executed - wonder if the original inventor has gone into hiding?
In reply to Post #632
Product is not aimed at real anglers , it's aimed at deciples who praise every "best ever" product , you won't change a sheep's mind 🙄
Product is not aimed at real anglers , it's aimed at deciples who praise every "best ever" product , you won't change a sheep's mind 🙄
Even if it was safe which obviously it's not how is anything like this a good idea for the sport?
Its comforting to see a lot of like minded thinkers on this theme. The minute I saw it I thought that I hope to god fisheries and clubs generally see sense on this device.
I think, largely, most have and the general sentiment on this thread makes my more happy that we are largely rational anglers.
I think, largely, most have and the general sentiment on this thread makes my more happy that we are largely rational anglers.
In reply to Post #635
I can see why he needs a marquee product because with all of his hot air they only have standard stuff available . Every item is a copy of most company's gear , their latest release ..... bait floss . Fair play they have different designs in clothing , but clothing is just a personal choice . The rain jacket with electrical tape on the seams is a laugh , sold as a design feature 🤔 , and waterproof / resistance hats etc made by sealskin , when you can buy sealskin stuff anyway . If he makes a living out of it fair play , but just having a following who agree with every word you say won't help .
Because I was low on my normal coated hooklength I even bought a spool of OMC , it's very average at best .
I can see why he needs a marquee product because with all of his hot air they only have standard stuff available . Every item is a copy of most company's gear , their latest release ..... bait floss . Fair play they have different designs in clothing , but clothing is just a personal choice . The rain jacket with electrical tape on the seams is a laugh , sold as a design feature 🤔 , and waterproof / resistance hats etc made by sealskin , when you can buy sealskin stuff anyway . If he makes a living out of it fair play , but just having a following who agree with every word you say won't help .
Because I was low on my normal coated hooklength I even bought a spool of OMC , it's very average at best .
In reply to Post #636
And I bet there's a hell of a lot of anglers now who wouldn't touch any of their products. I certainly won't.
And I bet there's a hell of a lot of anglers now who wouldn't touch any of their products. I certainly won't.
In reply to Post #637
I think for every one of us that disaproves and can see its a death trap there's many more of his followers ordering using and see no problems whatsoever,just read the comments on groups etc, calling anyone that diaproves haters,negative....its unbelievable that they actually sit on the banks at the weekend and see no problem with it
I think for every one of us that disaproves and can see its a death trap there's many more of his followers ordering using and see no problems whatsoever,just read the comments on groups etc, calling anyone that diaproves haters,negative....its unbelievable that they actually sit on the banks at the weekend and see no problem with it
In reply to Post #638
They are dire anglers. Zero experience, just like me when I started out and I can tell you now the 20 year old me would have used it. Definitely. And then got pissed off that I didn't catch more fish and had to pva every cast.
They are dire anglers. Zero experience, just like me when I started out and I can tell you now the 20 year old me would have used it. Definitely. And then got pissed off that I didn't catch more fish and had to pva every cast.
In reply to Post #638
Embryo are not allowing its use at the moment and are still waiting to make a decision,I think they will ban it though
Embryo are not allowing its use at the moment and are still waiting to make a decision,I think they will ban it though
In reply to Post #639
will it be a staple item in a decades time though? the new generation of carper using it from the get go? Is there a danger carping goes further downhill?
will it be a staple item in a decades time though? the new generation of carper using it from the get go? Is there a danger carping goes further downhill?
In reply to Post #640
Just had an email saying its now banned from Twyford Reserve and all the other Dinton waters.
Just had an email saying its now banned from Twyford Reserve and all the other Dinton waters.
In reply to Post #641
I doubt it, seeing as the general consensus from the underwater footage is that it doesn't even work.
I doubt it, seeing as the general consensus from the underwater footage is that it doesn't even work.
In reply to Post #640
Not easy for Embryo. I was told that they really didn't want to be seen to be attacking Ali and making it personal especially before they had seen the product. I don't think anybody really thought the product would be as bad as it is.
Not easy for Embryo. I was told that they really didn't want to be seen to be attacking Ali and making it personal especially before they had seen the product. I don't think anybody really thought the product would be as bad as it is.
Despite the Ali/Danny history, I will be absolutely shocked if this is permitted on Korda venues.
I can see this being a defining moment for their relationship.
I can see this being a defining moment for their relationship.
In reply to Post #640
Where've you seen this? I'm on one of their waters and not seen anything yet.
Daz
Where've you seen this? I'm on one of their waters and not seen anything yet.
Daz
In reply to Post #646
Buy one and chuck it out quick - you'll haul and become the new Korda marketing guru!
Buy one and chuck it out quick - you'll haul and become the new Korda marketing guru!
Hilarious this thread
Seems a lot need to give their head a good wobble .
Keep em coming I'm in stitches 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mary Whithouse would be so proud .
If it's carp care most are concerned about then why not give up fishing , after all the hooks aren't exactly good for them either .
Train spotting would be a good place to start to repent your participation in this barbaric sport 🫢
Seems a lot need to give their head a good wobble .
Keep em coming I'm in stitches 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mary Whithouse would be so proud .
If it's carp care most are concerned about then why not give up fishing , after all the hooks aren't exactly good for them either .
Train spotting would be a good place to start to repent your participation in this barbaric sport 🫢
In reply to Post #646
I emailed them
I emailed them
In reply to Post #648
Hooks are fine, what said hook is attached too, however isnt
Hooks are fine, what said hook is attached too, however isnt
In reply to Post #650
nothing to do with Mary Whitehouse or being "woke". This is very simple. This is a massive backwards step for carp fishing, how anyone can't see that is beyond me. If you agree with this you might as well just chuck trebles out.
Over the last few years there's been massive steps forward in carp care and educating anglers how to look after their catch. And quite rightly too.
I am hoping that the backlash against this product that so evident in this thread actually ripples down to the target audience and they're actually a bit embarrassed to tie the thing on, a sort of peer pressure being applied to cause people to really think twice about using it.
nothing to do with Mary Whitehouse or being "woke". This is very simple. This is a massive backwards step for carp fishing, how anyone can't see that is beyond me. If you agree with this you might as well just chuck trebles out.
Over the last few years there's been massive steps forward in carp care and educating anglers how to look after their catch. And quite rightly too.
I am hoping that the backlash against this product that so evident in this thread actually ripples down to the target audience and they're actually a bit embarrassed to tie the thing on, a sort of peer pressure being applied to cause people to really think twice about using it.
In reply to Post #651
ali's target market couldn't give a flying *****,in their eyes were the ones that are wrong and it the best invention ever and safe because "ali" said it is
ali's target market couldn't give a flying *****,in their eyes were the ones that are wrong and it the best invention ever and safe because "ali" said it is
In reply to Post #652
Anyone seen the other picture of hanging a couple of kilos of boilie on it ?
https://share.icloud.com/photos/06a1q5B_zOLVGv046tLYho5HQ
Anyone seen the other picture of hanging a couple of kilos of boilie on it ?
https://share.icloud.com/photos/06a1q5B_zOLVGv046tLYho5HQ
In reply to Post #653
Further down in the thread
Further down in the thread
There is an entire difference between "caring" for the animal we pursue for entertainment and downright subjecting it to unnecessary risk.
There's a reason we use propolis, mats, lead clip systems, breakaway hook links, all these items are configured to maximise the quarry's safety in a relatively stressful situation.
There's very good reason that we do our best to minimise undue stress and "the hook argument" doesn't address the fundamental problem with this gadget.
This device is such a solid step back from what we have moved to. Fishing happens, that's the bottom line but we try and be as humane as we possibly can be, hence all the creativity to be so. But, this device is an absolute horror. It leaves a 2 inch plastic anchor fixed to the hook length when things go wrong. Where's the break point? Where's the drop off? All the things we have become used to, safety on a safe rig. But why? Why is there such risk? Has Ali and crew become so blinded to create this item that the safety aspect has been lost on the way? Is it a desperation?
The actual item won't even achieve its real intended aim for the reasons we've all previously discussed and, if it was safe, that would be sort of acceptable. But it isn't, it leaves such a danger on the hook length - the poor animals won't have a chance attached to that trying to squeeze between tree roots in their normal habitat or pushing through dense weed beds.
If anyone can't see this, I'm at an absolute loss - the sport has taken a wrong turn and simply saying "well don't use hooks" creates an argument that is weak and without substance.
There's a reason we use propolis, mats, lead clip systems, breakaway hook links, all these items are configured to maximise the quarry's safety in a relatively stressful situation.
There's very good reason that we do our best to minimise undue stress and "the hook argument" doesn't address the fundamental problem with this gadget.
This device is such a solid step back from what we have moved to. Fishing happens, that's the bottom line but we try and be as humane as we possibly can be, hence all the creativity to be so. But, this device is an absolute horror. It leaves a 2 inch plastic anchor fixed to the hook length when things go wrong. Where's the break point? Where's the drop off? All the things we have become used to, safety on a safe rig. But why? Why is there such risk? Has Ali and crew become so blinded to create this item that the safety aspect has been lost on the way? Is it a desperation?
The actual item won't even achieve its real intended aim for the reasons we've all previously discussed and, if it was safe, that would be sort of acceptable. But it isn't, it leaves such a danger on the hook length - the poor animals won't have a chance attached to that trying to squeeze between tree roots in their normal habitat or pushing through dense weed beds.
If anyone can't see this, I'm at an absolute loss - the sport has taken a wrong turn and simply saying "well don't use hooks" creates an argument that is weak and without substance.
ali hamidi messaged me a few weeks on the eve of this being released after I raised my view on the safety aspects of this device....I only replied tonight when I came across the message again whilst looking for someone in my contacts on messnger...I wasn't abusive tonight,far from it...here's his reply
Hi Andy, your opinion is based on no usage or facts, just opinion. You're communicating with people that have extensively used and tested something. So your opinion without data is just opinion. We have data and usage and ticks in all boxes otherwise it would never have come out. Please remember I faced similar abuse when I was the front man heralding the Goo 12 years ago! It was called “drain cleaner”, would harm fish, blah blah, but look what happened? So whilst I appreciate your concerns, we shared the same perspective on design elements and used it and have caught literally hundreds of carp all perfect, no tears, no damage and flawless performance. Don't judge a book by just it's appearance, actually use something in a fishing situation to gauge true results.
Have a lovely evening.
Really appreciate your concern, but rationally consider would I ever use a product in my fishing Everywhere or release one that would be any worse than what we already use readily in carp fishing? Let time be the judge. Not out of water opinion. The proof is in the pudding.
Hi Andy, your opinion is based on no usage or facts, just opinion. You're communicating with people that have extensively used and tested something. So your opinion without data is just opinion. We have data and usage and ticks in all boxes otherwise it would never have come out. Please remember I faced similar abuse when I was the front man heralding the Goo 12 years ago! It was called “drain cleaner”, would harm fish, blah blah, but look what happened? So whilst I appreciate your concerns, we shared the same perspective on design elements and used it and have caught literally hundreds of carp all perfect, no tears, no damage and flawless performance. Don't judge a book by just it's appearance, actually use something in a fishing situation to gauge true results.
Have a lovely evening.
Really appreciate your concern, but rationally consider would I ever use a product in my fishing Everywhere or release one that would be any worse than what we already use readily in carp fishing? Let time be the judge. Not out of water opinion. The proof is in the pudding.
In reply to Post #657
Send him the picture and video
Send him the picture and video
In reply to Post #657
What an utter deluded cock,it seems even the tide is turning on omv Facebook page.Hes took to barring people if they question this tragic twig
What an utter deluded cock,it seems even the tide is turning on omv Facebook page.Hes took to barring people if they question this tragic twig
In reply to Post #653
5kg to be precise
5kg to be precise
In reply to Post #659
he offered to call me to discuss my concerns to which I politely declined, from his response there is absolutely no point....no matter what he said it wouldn't convince me its safe
he offered to call me to discuss my concerns to which I politely declined, from his response there is absolutely no point....no matter what he said it wouldn't convince me its safe
In reply to Post #657
That goo stuff. Was the Ghostbusters fluorescent stuff?
Do people catch more using it than not?
That goo stuff. Was the Ghostbusters fluorescent stuff?
Do people catch more using it than not?
In reply to Post #657
Hi Andy, your opinion is based on no usage or facts, just opinion. You're communicating with people that have extensively used and tested something. So your opinion without data is just opinion
Classic
Without getting the book of psychology out he is basically saying shut the **** up, you know nothing. Communicating, you're not even worth talking too lol. So whilst I appreciate your concerns (**** off ****)
And when you have self promoted yourself to be one of the pastimes biggest influencers what the **** does anybody else know, emphasis on self promotion like the rest of the monkeys. Fame and £
Hi Andy, your opinion is based on no usage or facts, just opinion. You're communicating with people that have extensively used and tested something. So your opinion without data is just opinion
Classic
Without getting the book of psychology out he is basically saying shut the **** up, you know nothing. Communicating, you're not even worth talking too lol. So whilst I appreciate your concerns (**** off ****)
And when you have self promoted yourself to be one of the pastimes biggest influencers what the **** does anybody else know, emphasis on self promotion like the rest of the monkeys. Fame and £
In reply to Post #663
Imagine being a field tester for him. Dare to highlight any potential issues or give constructive feedback, he would just shoot you down. I'd imagine his "field testers" tell him what he wants to hear to keep him sweet. Prob happens a hell of alot in carp fishing to be honest. Field testers too afraid to question a product for fear of being booted out or disliked by their gaffa.
Imagine being a field tester for him. Dare to highlight any potential issues or give constructive feedback, he would just shoot you down. I'd imagine his "field testers" tell him what he wants to hear to keep him sweet. Prob happens a hell of alot in carp fishing to be honest. Field testers too afraid to question a product for fear of being booted out or disliked by their gaffa.
Im more than happy to bow to his wealth of experience,it's just a shame that him being so superior than me he can't see all the glitches,flaws and safety problems of the contraption he's dragged to market
In reply to Post #665
Agree
Agree
In reply to Post #665
He will be balls deep in financial commitments. Patents and royalties so far will be into thousands. And this won't be out of his pocket, so he will be fighting his corner just to save face. The guy is totally driven by cash. You can see why korda wouldn't want him as a partner.
He will be balls deep in financial commitments. Patents and royalties so far will be into thousands. And this won't be out of his pocket, so he will be fighting his corner just to save face. The guy is totally driven by cash. You can see why korda wouldn't want him as a partner.
In reply to Post #657
What a condescending Muppet he is.
How can so many people see the issue with this item and yet he can't?
Truth is he can see what we see but is more interested in the money.
Shame on him.
What a condescending Muppet he is.
How can so many people see the issue with this item and yet he can't?
Truth is he can see what we see but is more interested in the money.
Shame on him.
In reply to Post #667
Exactly this....his investors would have thought he was the dogs danglers in the carp fishing fraternity..... out comes this awful product and they will be questioning him big time......
God knows how much they have invested in this, and they really need it to sell it in the masses to get their money back and a return on investment.
Most waters its banned on and yes the sheep will buy, but id suggest at least 50% of anglers wont touch this with a barge pole...... if it was safe a lot would have purchased out of curiosity and may be not actually used it....
This has the potential to be a gigantic f@ck up, and i bet the investors are thinking what have we done with this clown.
Exactly this....his investors would have thought he was the dogs danglers in the carp fishing fraternity..... out comes this awful product and they will be questioning him big time......
God knows how much they have invested in this, and they really need it to sell it in the masses to get their money back and a return on investment.
Most waters its banned on and yes the sheep will buy, but id suggest at least 50% of anglers wont touch this with a barge pole...... if it was safe a lot would have purchased out of curiosity and may be not actually used it....
This has the potential to be a gigantic f@ck up, and i bet the investors are thinking what have we done with this clown.
In reply to Post #669
Don't generally do facebook, but just had a quick look, he's even saying use this when snag and weed fishing,,,,think he's been smoking weed....the guy is genuinely deluded....
TBH, I sort of seen a different side to him on monster carp when he sorted out the stray puppies, as a dog lover myself, i thought he was a tosser before that episode, and then genuinely started to like the guy, and thought there is Ali the genuine person which come through on this episode and he also had a TV persona, which is what was shown on the TV shows.... Which is no different than 90% of celebs.....
But after seeing the face book posts and relentless marketing, i have changed my opinion again, the guys a first class gobsh@te
Don't generally do facebook, but just had a quick look, he's even saying use this when snag and weed fishing,,,,think he's been smoking weed....the guy is genuinely deluded....
TBH, I sort of seen a different side to him on monster carp when he sorted out the stray puppies, as a dog lover myself, i thought he was a tosser before that episode, and then genuinely started to like the guy, and thought there is Ali the genuine person which come through on this episode and he also had a TV persona, which is what was shown on the TV shows.... Which is no different than 90% of celebs.....
But after seeing the face book posts and relentless marketing, i have changed my opinion again, the guys a first class gobsh@te
In reply to Post #670
It wasn't about the puppies, it was about him.
Everything is about him, hence why I have watched absolutely zero content with him in it for about 10 years.
What makes me giggle is him advertising the fact its being sold abroad. The Czech post got taken down sharpish when facebook kindly translated all the comments from target market...
It wasn't about the puppies, it was about him.
Everything is about him, hence why I have watched absolutely zero content with him in it for about 10 years.
What makes me giggle is him advertising the fact its being sold abroad. The Czech post got taken down sharpish when facebook kindly translated all the comments from target market...
In reply to Post #671
The puppies was all show , if he cared a jot he would have driven to his local rescue place at home , we have enough rescue puppy problems let alone importing them .
The puppies was all show , if he cared a jot he would have driven to his local rescue place at home , we have enough rescue puppy problems let alone importing them .
In reply to Post #669
His investors would be over the moon at 50% of anglers at £10 a box......
His investors would be over the moon at 50% of anglers at £10 a box......
In reply to Post #671
Spot on.
Spot on.
In reply to Post #651
Agreed, but the bottom line is still hypocritical. We don't do what we do for the fishes welfare.
Coarse angling is arguably a 'cruel' field sport, if you think about it, despite the very best of fish care.
Agreed, but the bottom line is still hypocritical. We don't do what we do for the fishes welfare.
Coarse angling is arguably a 'cruel' field sport, if you think about it, despite the very best of fish care.
In reply to Post #675
Why do you do it then?
Are you saying that because it's cruel we should throw out the fish care element of our sport and just treat the fish poorly like trout and sea angling, even though we put them back?
Why do you do it then?
Are you saying that because it's cruel we should throw out the fish care element of our sport and just treat the fish poorly like trout and sea angling, even though we put them back?
In reply to Post #676
Exactly.
You cannot hide behind "its cruel" to somehow justify an abhorrent monstrosity of a contraption, fixed to the hook length. a plastic anchor if you will.
We've moved on from death rigs. This is moving us straight back.
Exactly.
You cannot hide behind "its cruel" to somehow justify an abhorrent monstrosity of a contraption, fixed to the hook length. a plastic anchor if you will.
We've moved on from death rigs. This is moving us straight back.
In reply to Post #675
Sell your gear and take up golf
Sell your gear and take up golf
In reply to Post #677
completely agree
completely agree
In reply to Post #673
The twig is being promoted strongly on the (newish) US website Www.carpangler.com
Beyond words for our bait-naive unpressured fish. Poor inexperienced customer base🙁
The twig is being promoted strongly on the (newish) US website Www.carpangler.com
Beyond words for our bait-naive unpressured fish. Poor inexperienced customer base🙁
In reply to Post #677
I'm not, the twig is an awful thing and has no place.
It's just that so many coarse anglers lose sight of what they are really involved in, but perhaps that's a separate thread to this and taking the twig debacle off topic.
I'm not, the twig is an awful thing and has no place.
It's just that so many coarse anglers lose sight of what they are really involved in, but perhaps that's a separate thread to this and taking the twig debacle off topic.
In reply to Post #678
No thanks, quite happy sticking sharpened steel in fishes mouths like the rest of us, thanks.
No thanks, quite happy sticking sharpened steel in fishes mouths like the rest of us, thanks.
In reply to Post #682
Its an entirely different discussion - if twig advocates use that as a counter argument, then why are they not bow fishing for carp? Just take the barbarity to the absolute extreme.
Fishing is legal and permitted but the overarching expectation is that we will do what we can to minimise hurt to the animals in the best way we can and that involves protecting them from being tethered, should matters take a bad turn.
This monstrosity has no consideration for that aspect at all. It doesn't brake away, it doesn't snap, its fixed to the hook. I remain shocked it was brought to market in this form. Somewhere, along the way, the firm behind it became blinded by the intention and lost sight of what really matters in our pursuit.
After years and years of tackle trying to do the right thing, we now attach plastic anchors to hook lengths. The more I think about it, the more I wonder what was going on in certain people's minds whilst sat at the cad machine. Its like an episode of the Apprentice, but darker.
Its an entirely different discussion - if twig advocates use that as a counter argument, then why are they not bow fishing for carp? Just take the barbarity to the absolute extreme.
Fishing is legal and permitted but the overarching expectation is that we will do what we can to minimise hurt to the animals in the best way we can and that involves protecting them from being tethered, should matters take a bad turn.
This monstrosity has no consideration for that aspect at all. It doesn't brake away, it doesn't snap, its fixed to the hook. I remain shocked it was brought to market in this form. Somewhere, along the way, the firm behind it became blinded by the intention and lost sight of what really matters in our pursuit.
After years and years of tackle trying to do the right thing, we now attach plastic anchors to hook lengths. The more I think about it, the more I wonder what was going on in certain people's minds whilst sat at the cad machine. Its like an episode of the Apprentice, but darker.
In reply to Post #675
Slightly disagree.
Yeap, we stick hooks in them for our pleasure, but that is, or should be only a small part of carp, or any angling (with the exception of fishing for food)
The lengths alot of real anglers, and fishery managers, owners, lease holders etc go to, to ensure that the fish are healthy is way beyond the actual capture. add to that the environments we look after that all wildlife can, and do benefit from.
My point being, that if capturing carp, and releasing them, if it effected them that much, they simply wouldn't grow and flourish.
where it all falls down is when people are prepared to catch a fish at all costs, mainly to fish for likes on social media with all their sad hashtags. Death rigs for said self gratification is beyond my mental understanding of angling.
For me, its all about reducing said risk of harm.
But i do agree, if we break it down to the bear bones, then sticking hooks in fish for our pleasure isn't the best advert.
It's a little bit like what i do for a living. I teach animal welfare and issue licences all over the country for the purpose of slaughter. Sounds absolutely crazy doesnt it!
We are, afterall going to kill it for food, but the welfare of said animal is paramount for the animals well being and meat quality
Slightly disagree.
Yeap, we stick hooks in them for our pleasure, but that is, or should be only a small part of carp, or any angling (with the exception of fishing for food)
The lengths alot of real anglers, and fishery managers, owners, lease holders etc go to, to ensure that the fish are healthy is way beyond the actual capture. add to that the environments we look after that all wildlife can, and do benefit from.
My point being, that if capturing carp, and releasing them, if it effected them that much, they simply wouldn't grow and flourish.
where it all falls down is when people are prepared to catch a fish at all costs, mainly to fish for likes on social media with all their sad hashtags. Death rigs for said self gratification is beyond my mental understanding of angling.
For me, its all about reducing said risk of harm.
But i do agree, if we break it down to the bear bones, then sticking hooks in fish for our pleasure isn't the best advert.
It's a little bit like what i do for a living. I teach animal welfare and issue licences all over the country for the purpose of slaughter. Sounds absolutely crazy doesnt it!
We are, afterall going to kill it for food, but the welfare of said animal is paramount for the animals well being and meat quality
In reply to Post #684
The core of the debate is that carping is for pleasure but the rational anglers do as much in their power as you say to minimise risk, hurt and general harm. My comment was to address those that suggest "if you don't like this twig, then don't fish" - that argument makes little sense if any.
Focusing on this horror device, that's where the problem is for me. The fishing (as a pursuit) is just that, but do it safely - but when, as you say, people get seduced into catch at all costs - that's poor form.
And back to the Twig, even if it did work in its current form, I still wouldn't want part of it because it epitomises that catch at all costs mentality AND its shaped like a fecking anchor :(
Animals will die because of this horror show.
The core of the debate is that carping is for pleasure but the rational anglers do as much in their power as you say to minimise risk, hurt and general harm. My comment was to address those that suggest "if you don't like this twig, then don't fish" - that argument makes little sense if any.
Focusing on this horror device, that's where the problem is for me. The fishing (as a pursuit) is just that, but do it safely - but when, as you say, people get seduced into catch at all costs - that's poor form.
And back to the Twig, even if it did work in its current form, I still wouldn't want part of it because it epitomises that catch at all costs mentality AND its shaped like a fecking anchor :(
Animals will die because of this horror show.
the capesthorne estate manager has just banned the twig from all estate lakes and syndicates and rightly so
In reply to Post #685
Totally agree mate
Totally agree mate
In reply to Post #686
A good move by Geoff.
And also the pa committee will be discussing it at their next meeting.
A good move by Geoff.
And also the pa committee will be discussing it at their next meeting.
In reply to Post #686
Thats brilliant news I hope PA follow and ban it on all club waters
Thats brilliant news I hope PA follow and ban it on all club waters
In reply to Post #686
I wonder how Ali feels about it being banned on a lake he cut his teeth on,also got a hook named after it I think 🤔
I wonder how Ali feels about it being banned on a lake he cut his teeth on,also got a hook named after it I think 🤔
In reply to Post #690
Whilst many have got/had their concerns re this subject, you seem rather more animated than most?
Whilst many have got/had their concerns re this subject, you seem rather more animated than most?
Weed test. Results as expected. Death trap!
https://youtu.be/yARHRbOiDcU
https://youtu.be/yARHRbOiDcU
In reply to Post #691
I think a few others have posted just as much about it and their concerns
I think a few others have posted just as much about it and their concerns
In reply to Post #693
indeed, just your posts seem rather stronger?
only asking, not fussed
indeed, just your posts seem rather stronger?
only asking, not fussed
In reply to Post #694
no place for this in modern fishing
no place for this in modern fishing
In reply to Post #695
don't tie a hooklink on just use it as a spot rake seems to work remarkably well.....
don't tie a hooklink on just use it as a spot rake seems to work remarkably well.....
In reply to Post #696
Tie it to a tree and hang your airdry bag from it?
Use it to lift your scales up?
Tie it to a tree and hang your airdry bag from it?
Use it to lift your scales up?
In reply to Post #696
A fiver is nothing for a weed rake, winning!
A fiver is nothing for a weed rake, winning!
In reply to Post #698
Could also be used as scale holder... Carp only go to 100lb cca.
Could also be used as scale holder... Carp only go to 100lb cca.
In reply to Post #693
Mate, you're way too obvious. In all the past OMC threads you are very vocal \ negative.
You obviously have crossed the guy in the past and\or just can't stand him? Chill down a bit.
BTW, I don't like this product and don't think it should be allowed, but then nor do I think 'semi-fixed' Leadclips and\or Barbed Hooks should be allowed.
But this Twig has gone a bit too far IMO.
However, I think there is an agenda from some people in this thread (obviously yourself), and not very balanced, decent discussion.
What has been lost is the fact that it seems this product doesn't seem to accomplish what it's been designed to do, consistently anyway. The label (photo) on the tin proves that.
Mate, you're way too obvious. In all the past OMC threads you are very vocal \ negative.
You obviously have crossed the guy in the past and\or just can't stand him? Chill down a bit.
BTW, I don't like this product and don't think it should be allowed, but then nor do I think 'semi-fixed' Leadclips and\or Barbed Hooks should be allowed.
But this Twig has gone a bit too far IMO.
However, I think there is an agenda from some people in this thread (obviously yourself), and not very balanced, decent discussion.
What has been lost is the fact that it seems this product doesn't seem to accomplish what it's been designed to do, consistently anyway. The label (photo) on the tin proves that.
In reply to Post #700
to be fair to braders I don't think he has been anymore vocal than me, I will openly admit and have done in this thread I'm not hamidis no1 fan based on his pushy throw it down your throat marketing and sales tactics.
any respect i did have went down the pan when they fished Grenville they had the swims taped off,used particle,used bait boats all banned on grenville and zamora caught his pb fish from an out of bounds area and he denied it all....there's nothing this bloke wouldn't do for a sale or to market his company.
EDIT: I will add that my dislike of the person doesn't cloud my judgement on products,happy to use something suitable for me,priced right amd fit for purpose like I've also said on here.....I use the omc putty and think it's great, it's this particular product the twig that is absolutely disgraceful its even been tested let alone released.
to be fair to braders I don't think he has been anymore vocal than me, I will openly admit and have done in this thread I'm not hamidis no1 fan based on his pushy throw it down your throat marketing and sales tactics.
any respect i did have went down the pan when they fished Grenville they had the swims taped off,used particle,used bait boats all banned on grenville and zamora caught his pb fish from an out of bounds area and he denied it all....there's nothing this bloke wouldn't do for a sale or to market his company.
EDIT: I will add that my dislike of the person doesn't cloud my judgement on products,happy to use something suitable for me,priced right amd fit for purpose like I've also said on here.....I use the omc putty and think it's great, it's this particular product the twig that is absolutely disgraceful its even been tested let alone released.
In reply to Post #701
I have been also unusually vocal on this thread. I really feel that it is important and cannot express strongly enough just what a disgraceI think it is that this has been brought to market. On a personal level I have no thoughts either way regarding Ali or the company prior to this product.
I have been also unusually vocal on this thread. I really feel that it is important and cannot express strongly enough just what a disgraceI think it is that this has been brought to market. On a personal level I have no thoughts either way regarding Ali or the company prior to this product.
In reply to Post #702
Its certainly raised a few emotions
Its certainly raised a few emotions
I'm betting Mr Fairbrass is thinking Ali leaving Korda has worked out really well.
For him.
For him.
In reply to Post #702
Agree with that post 👍 , same from me.
Also do you think fishery owners will back track so as not to alienate potential customers , obviously those close and friendly with the omc brand stand out already , but there must be squeaky bums with some owners to see which way things go 🤔
Agree with that post 👍 , same from me.
Also do you think fishery owners will back track so as not to alienate potential customers , obviously those close and friendly with the omc brand stand out already , but there must be squeaky bums with some owners to see which way things go 🤔
In reply to Post #705
like you say, the people with working relationships with omc is obvious,grenville,alot of filming and publicity for them, rh fisheries,ali's filmed on numerous occasions on his waters, parkield angling stock omc products and allow it on their pond...just three I can think of off the top of my head.
like you say, the people with working relationships with omc is obvious,grenville,alot of filming and publicity for them, rh fisheries,ali's filmed on numerous occasions on his waters, parkield angling stock omc products and allow it on their pond...just three I can think of off the top of my head.
In reply to Post #706
The ultimate slap in the face is one of the fisheries chuck a 70lb in , and a day later gets caught on it 😁😁😁 , off the top of my head the fish could be called "Big Twig Rig" 😂
The ultimate slap in the face is one of the fisheries chuck a 70lb in , and a day later gets caught on it 😁😁😁 , off the top of my head the fish could be called "Big Twig Rig" 😂
In reply to Post #706
The point at which this will become extremely fruity is when the inevitable happens.
A fish is found with this in its mouth and there's no hiding place then. It's not like an anonymous clip or swivel. It's "that". And then there is no hiding place.
The brand will not survive that.
The point at which this will become extremely fruity is when the inevitable happens.
A fish is found with this in its mouth and there's no hiding place then. It's not like an anonymous clip or swivel. It's "that". And then there is no hiding place.
The brand will not survive that.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR19ENxWEu0GNMFI0zXyQNS4O-Ys7SHds6EPWLNEaVS9o6M6AVl_4M4ly1g&v=yARHRbOiDcU&feature=youtu.be
Think this vid shows exactly how safe this shocking product is. Sorry if already been posted
Think this vid shows exactly how safe this shocking product is. Sorry if already been posted
Angling Times advert in 1965
In reply to Post #700
The obvious hatred for Hamindi, suggests to me that hes been through a few peoples wives/girlfriends/boyfriends. It was evident before the product was revealed.
Theres an educated/adult discussion about a matter, then theres this forum/facebook/the playground
The obvious hatred for Hamindi, suggests to me that hes been through a few peoples wives/girlfriends/boyfriends. It was evident before the product was revealed.
Theres an educated/adult discussion about a matter, then theres this forum/facebook/the playground
In reply to Post #710
and even is 1965 (when they didn't have CAD software) they could make this contraption without snagging arms lol. and it clearly didn't take off then either...
And I'm sure all these pieces of evidence will show that their patents aren't worth the paper they were printed on.... although this does open it up to cheap copies which could actually be made safer or they could end up with more death traps on the market
and even is 1965 (when they didn't have CAD software) they could make this contraption without snagging arms lol. and it clearly didn't take off then either...
And I'm sure all these pieces of evidence will show that their patents aren't worth the paper they were printed on.... although this does open it up to cheap copies which could actually be made safer or they could end up with more death traps on the market
In reply to Post #701
Fair enough.
As you've been so vocal in this thread, can you just clarify your main reasons against the Twig, compared to a 'semi fixed' lead clip?
BTW, I'm all in, I hate the thing...
Fair enough.
As you've been so vocal in this thread, can you just clarify your main reasons against the Twig, compared to a 'semi fixed' lead clip?
BTW, I'm all in, I hate the thing...
The safety aspect of this of which there are many is what concerns me.
Starting from the actual set up of the device on a lead clip, if you're wanting to drop the lead,the cushioning of the spring will negate the ability for the carp to shake the lead off the lead clip. likewise in the event of a crack off or being snapped not only will the carp not be able to get rid of the lead by shaking its head, the lead isn't going to pull off the clip as the twig will be taking all the pressure whilst going through the weed,debris and snags
Once hooked and the fish bolts,this is one of ali's usp's of the twig,no finicky takes just one toners,if the fish bolts through weed and them arms are open they'll stop a carp pretty dam quick as the twig gathers weed.
Any crack offs or line parting,even if the lead has come off,them arms sticking out are going to gather weed,debris and caught in snags.
Once netted, the arms are likely to catch in the net, ali recommends unhooking all fish in the net but the target audience for thus device is likely to never have done that and also its not always possible even for experience anglers or terrain of the banks etc.
Aswell as all the above I question the actual working of the device, if your fishing with pop up,ronnie,shr,multi rig the fish is in no way in direct contact with the device as it tilts down and feeds on the pop up, the fish will have to be hooked and moving off to actually activate the device, infact I question that for this device to go off at all the fish has to be hooked from the off to create the pressure to activate the device.
The primary role of the leadclip when first released was the ease of being able to drop the lead if required,with the use of the twig between hook and lead clip I dont even see how it is possible,add to that the usual user error of forcing the tail rubber aswelll then it cant be a good combination at all.....
Starting from the actual set up of the device on a lead clip, if you're wanting to drop the lead,the cushioning of the spring will negate the ability for the carp to shake the lead off the lead clip. likewise in the event of a crack off or being snapped not only will the carp not be able to get rid of the lead by shaking its head, the lead isn't going to pull off the clip as the twig will be taking all the pressure whilst going through the weed,debris and snags
Once hooked and the fish bolts,this is one of ali's usp's of the twig,no finicky takes just one toners,if the fish bolts through weed and them arms are open they'll stop a carp pretty dam quick as the twig gathers weed.
Any crack offs or line parting,even if the lead has come off,them arms sticking out are going to gather weed,debris and caught in snags.
Once netted, the arms are likely to catch in the net, ali recommends unhooking all fish in the net but the target audience for thus device is likely to never have done that and also its not always possible even for experience anglers or terrain of the banks etc.
Aswell as all the above I question the actual working of the device, if your fishing with pop up,ronnie,shr,multi rig the fish is in no way in direct contact with the device as it tilts down and feeds on the pop up, the fish will have to be hooked and moving off to actually activate the device, infact I question that for this device to go off at all the fish has to be hooked from the off to create the pressure to activate the device.
The primary role of the leadclip when first released was the ease of being able to drop the lead if required,with the use of the twig between hook and lead clip I dont even see how it is possible,add to that the usual user error of forcing the tail rubber aswelll then it cant be a good combination at all.....
In reply to Post #714
(Not in response to your post Andy, just too far back to the op for the reply button, nearly 50 pages now..!)
The underlying problem with all this isn't about who dislikes Hamidi and this god awful contraption, it's that his loyal followers on social media will and have bought into it, blindly unaware of the implications of using it. That is the result of years of marketing bollox that him and korda etc have nurtured.
This is what I mean, OMC FB post:
"Paul Stratton - Angler (me)
How are you going to feel should you hook a good fish and suffer a line break? Still gonna sleep at night??
Reply
5 h
Lee McNally
Paul Stratton - Angler exactly the same situation if you're not using this? Fish can still get snagged from a break without the twig so maybe best to not put a line in the water at all..."
End quote/
So we can't educate everyone against this, nor can we police it, what happens will happen, we just have to live with hearing about the carnage that will ensue unless the tackle shops get pressured into not selling it, they are profiting also so if any fish damage and deaths do occur as a direct consequence of inappropriate use they are partly responsible.
(Not in response to your post Andy, just too far back to the op for the reply button, nearly 50 pages now..!)
The underlying problem with all this isn't about who dislikes Hamidi and this god awful contraption, it's that his loyal followers on social media will and have bought into it, blindly unaware of the implications of using it. That is the result of years of marketing bollox that him and korda etc have nurtured.
This is what I mean, OMC FB post:
"Paul Stratton - Angler (me)
How are you going to feel should you hook a good fish and suffer a line break? Still gonna sleep at night??
Reply
5 h
Lee McNally
Paul Stratton - Angler exactly the same situation if you're not using this? Fish can still get snagged from a break without the twig so maybe best to not put a line in the water at all..."
End quote/
So we can't educate everyone against this, nor can we police it, what happens will happen, we just have to live with hearing about the carnage that will ensue unless the tackle shops get pressured into not selling it, they are profiting also so if any fish damage and deaths do occur as a direct consequence of inappropriate use they are partly responsible.
In reply to Post #715
Off topic but if you don't want to reply to someone's post use the green reply button that's towards the left.
Off topic but if you don't want to reply to someone's post use the green reply button that's towards the left.
In reply to Post #716
Some have the latest post to the bottom so would have to scroll down to read that and then back to the top for the genedal reply button
Some have the latest post to the bottom so would have to scroll down to read that and then back to the top for the genedal reply button
In reply to Post #717
I'm unable to find any OMC stuff on faceache, either they've blocked me for telling the truth or I've dreamt the whole twig thing up. I've been quite vocal about the failings of this item, both waters I fish have already banned them, and it looks like OMC have banned me 🤣🤣🤣
I'm unable to find any OMC stuff on faceache, either they've blocked me for telling the truth or I've dreamt the whole twig thing up. I've been quite vocal about the failings of this item, both waters I fish have already banned them, and it looks like OMC have banned me 🤣🤣🤣
In reply to Post #717
I never knew that
👍
I never knew that
👍
In reply to Post #715
Well said
Well said
In reply to Post #715
Great point. You've got the worst anglers using the worst product!!!
As I said earlier the 20 year old, noddy me would have used it as well so I do get it. Thankk God it is banned by every water I fish, even if it isn't...it is, if you know what I mean!
Great point. You've got the worst anglers using the worst product!!!
As I said earlier the 20 year old, noddy me would have used it as well so I do get it. Thankk God it is banned by every water I fish, even if it isn't...it is, if you know what I mean!
In reply to Post #721
i think the people posting on here about hating Ali are completely barking up the wrong tree. I have absolutely no issue with him whatsoever. My view is entirely based on this product and the harm that will inevitably come from using it.
Cottington Lakes has banned them for the time being - good. Seems there's a growing groundswell of opinion here that logic based, not emotionally based, that this just isn't a thing we should be tying on the end of our lines.
i think the people posting on here about hating Ali are completely barking up the wrong tree. I have absolutely no issue with him whatsoever. My view is entirely based on this product and the harm that will inevitably come from using it.
Cottington Lakes has banned them for the time being - good. Seems there's a growing groundswell of opinion here that logic based, not emotionally based, that this just isn't a thing we should be tying on the end of our lines.
In reply to Post #722
I've developed a bit of hate for him, mainly because he has such an influence both internally but also to the wider world, he's on mainstream tv for god's sake. The heavy marketing was one thing but since he openly lied about the products safety (arms not snapping, etc etc) and his flat denial of any potential issues, he can do one.
I've developed a bit of hate for him, mainly because he has such an influence both internally but also to the wider world, he's on mainstream tv for god's sake. The heavy marketing was one thing but since he openly lied about the products safety (arms not snapping, etc etc) and his flat denial of any potential issues, he can do one.
It's banned on all embryo waters now also
Got to be a bit of a kick in the nuts to Ali that the Korda owned Embryo lakes have banned it. Looks like he could have done with the support from them. If they'd of come out and said it's fine to use I think maybe more lakes would have allowed it. But the fact it's been banned for the lakes of a fellow tackle manufacturer speaks volumes
In reply to Post #723
I have to agree on the dislike for him after the lies and disregard he has come forward with over this product. I can imagine it's not just anglers that are feeling this way and that will impact him massively going forward. The reluctance from Ali to see the need for changing the product and the issues is a real shame and for me, he has lost a lot of credibility.
I hope that the tv companies take note and do not air anything with the twig!
I have to agree on the dislike for him after the lies and disregard he has come forward with over this product. I can imagine it's not just anglers that are feeling this way and that will impact him massively going forward. The reluctance from Ali to see the need for changing the product and the issues is a real shame and for me, he has lost a lot of credibility.
I hope that the tv companies take note and do not air anything with the twig!
In reply to Post #724
That'll be the killer
That'll be the killer
In reply to Post #725
Nash banned it pretty much straight away,Korda at least took a look at it and decided to ban it.
Nash banned it pretty much straight away,Korda at least took a look at it and decided to ban it.
In reply to Post #727
I hope so.
I hope so.
Now banned on all embryo lakes
In reply to Post #730
See post 724
See post 724
In reply to Post #731
Imagine working for a company and comming up with such a fail of a product? What company tolerates that and doesnt sack you?
Imagine working for a company and comming up with such a fail of a product? What company tolerates that and doesnt sack you?
DDAPS banned it. You might not know of this club but will have heard
Of iconic Dartford Lakes.
Of iconic Dartford Lakes.
In reply to Post #732
I agree. OMC looks like a joke now. Even the biggest Nod is going to think twice before buying one of their hoodies now!
I agree. OMC looks like a joke now. Even the biggest Nod is going to think twice before buying one of their hoodies now!
In reply to Post #734
I doubt it,he's still got his little fanboys.I keep seeing one nod posting on his Facebook how great the product is
I doubt it,he's still got his little fanboys.I keep seeing one nod posting on his Facebook how great the product is
In reply to Post #735
They'll have nowhere to fish before long. Surely they can't all fit around Rob Hales' stew ponds?
They'll have nowhere to fish before long. Surely they can't all fit around Rob Hales' stew ponds?
Embryo was the nail.
I expect that was a challenge for all involved due to the interpersonal relations and history. But they still said no.
That's how bad this monstrosity is.
I expect that was a challenge for all involved due to the interpersonal relations and history. But they still said no.
That's how bad this monstrosity is.
In a FB post... this was Alis justification for its orientation..... what happens if a fish is left trailing it
https://ibb.co/Bqd688Y
(Not sure how to imbed the pic on here?)
https://ibb.co/Bqd688Y
(Not sure how to imbed the pic on here?)
In reply to Post #738
Says it all. Admits that it catches obstructions, but fine to reel in so you will get your rigs back after the cast but not so good for the carp. He really doesn't give a damn does he😡
Says it all. Admits that it catches obstructions, but fine to reel in so you will get your rigs back after the cast but not so good for the carp. He really doesn't give a damn does he😡
In reply to Post #738
What a condescending little ***** Ali is
What a condescending little ***** Ali is
Been following this thread for quite a while and have read through pretty much everything. Completely agree with the dangers to the fish of this product, something that should have been considered from the start of development.
Putting all of that aside, I think the fact that I can't see how the product actually works the way it's claimed makes it even more embarrassing. In my opinion it's simply an active elasticated/sprung rig. The spring only comes into play once the full mass of the lead is used to overcome the locked arms. Then regardless of the force of the spring, it still can only act against the lead, so can't exert more force than the mass of the lead itself (which the hook has already seen when the spring was activated).
For example, assuming the spring had 20z of energy to exert, it can only react against the lead, therefore, it would just move the lead towards the fish, not 'pull' the hook into the fish anymore than the mass of the lead. (this ignores the initial need of 20oz of force to activate the spring)
To me it simply is an overly complicated(and dangerous) way to have an elasticated rig.
Putting all of that aside, I think the fact that I can't see how the product actually works the way it's claimed makes it even more embarrassing. In my opinion it's simply an active elasticated/sprung rig. The spring only comes into play once the full mass of the lead is used to overcome the locked arms. Then regardless of the force of the spring, it still can only act against the lead, so can't exert more force than the mass of the lead itself (which the hook has already seen when the spring was activated).
For example, assuming the spring had 20z of energy to exert, it can only react against the lead, therefore, it would just move the lead towards the fish, not 'pull' the hook into the fish anymore than the mass of the lead. (this ignores the initial need of 20oz of force to activate the spring)
To me it simply is an overly complicated(and dangerous) way to have an elasticated rig.
In reply to Post #741
The claims are false, simple as that.
You are spot on that the force required to activate is the lead weight which can not be physically increased unless it gets snagged or plugged in the lake bed. The spring can only increase force upon the attached element that has the least mass, so unless your fishing for Gudgeon for example, the retained energy in the spring will act upon the lead, not the fish. It can't really make any difference to the hooking potential if the fish has already picked up the lead required to activate it.
But, all that aside, ethically, it's a wrong un, and if OMC believe that it genuinely is an honest product developed as Hamidi states, (as they clearly have little understanding of physics and product development), then they need to take a very long hard look at themselves in the mirror..
The claims are false, simple as that.
You are spot on that the force required to activate is the lead weight which can not be physically increased unless it gets snagged or plugged in the lake bed. The spring can only increase force upon the attached element that has the least mass, so unless your fishing for Gudgeon for example, the retained energy in the spring will act upon the lead, not the fish. It can't really make any difference to the hooking potential if the fish has already picked up the lead required to activate it.
But, all that aside, ethically, it's a wrong un, and if OMC believe that it genuinely is an honest product developed as Hamidi states, (as they clearly have little understanding of physics and product development), then they need to take a very long hard look at themselves in the mirror..
Just had a look on his Facebook page, I didn't realise there were so many fanboy sheep out there blowing smoke up his @rse. The first time I saw this monstrosity it made me shudder, I can't understand there's that many people that think this is the business.
In reply to Post #743
I wonder if omc were the first one "inventor" aproached or some other bigger company turned him down first.
I wonder if omc were the first one "inventor" aproached or some other bigger company turned him down first.
This has got to be the longest running thread in the history of carpforum and everyone is agreeing,that is one thing we can thank One Mighty Cockup for
I wonder how long he will keep saying "its totally safe" until there is a redesign and he puts out a press release saying "we listened to all your concerns and although we felt it was safe we have redesigned it so that you have total peace of mind...... introducing the all new redesigned Twig 2.0" as if they really care about what we think and that he has done us a favour and we should now buy it.
Just had my text message from RK saying it's banned on all the waters, anyone caught with it loses their ticket,
Right decision I think.
Right decision I think.
In reply to Post #746
Probably got millions of stock to sell first because they thought it would change carp fishing and everyone would be buying it.
Massive loss if they have to bin it all.
Probably got millions of stock to sell first because they thought it would change carp fishing and everyone would be buying it.
Massive loss if they have to bin it all.
In reply to Post #748
what amazes me is that they ever brought this to market. Surely at the product development meetings some experienced angler in the group would have said "hang on a minute....." or does AH have such sway that it just got forced through, who knows.
what amazes me is that they ever brought this to market. Surely at the product development meetings some experienced angler in the group would have said "hang on a minute....." or does AH have such sway that it just got forced through, who knows.
In reply to Post #749
That's what I don't get either....
Someone must have said..."hold on pal, this looks like a feckin anchor" oh yeah and "how does it detach on a crack off?"
I can only imagine it was an Apprentice moment. There's people in a room, hyping themselves, caught up in the "revolutionary" hyperbole and forget the bigger picture.
Next thing the plans are in China and next thing, the placcy anchor is on a boat over to AD.
What a stupid move.
That's what I don't get either....
Someone must have said..."hold on pal, this looks like a feckin anchor" oh yeah and "how does it detach on a crack off?"
I can only imagine it was an Apprentice moment. There's people in a room, hyping themselves, caught up in the "revolutionary" hyperbole and forget the bigger picture.
Next thing the plans are in China and next thing, the placcy anchor is on a boat over to AD.
What a stupid move.
In reply to Post #749
When the fishery management group had the video call with Ali and his design guy I said to Ali that maybe he was getting advice and feedback from people who were just too "connected" to point out the issues. Whether they were genuinely not seeing it, or maybe no one wanted to speak up and tell the boss, like in the joke Hitler videos...
I said he could have got great impartial honest feedback if he'd have come and asked us earlier.
He was worried about confidentiality etc, but now that isn't the issue...
He's certainly got all the publicity he could only have dreamed of
When the fishery management group had the video call with Ali and his design guy I said to Ali that maybe he was getting advice and feedback from people who were just too "connected" to point out the issues. Whether they were genuinely not seeing it, or maybe no one wanted to speak up and tell the boss, like in the joke Hitler videos...
I said he could have got great impartial honest feedback if he'd have come and asked us earlier.
He was worried about confidentiality etc, but now that isn't the issue...
He's certainly got all the publicity he could only have dreamed of
In reply to Post #746
Twig 2.0 or MK2 is pointless, it is too late already as there are potentially thousands of the original out there so the damage has been done already. Hamidi won't admit he has dropped a bollock and announce a product recall, even if he did, how many anglers would actually send them back?
The best hope is that waters up and down the country continue to ban it rendering it useless...
Twig 2.0 or MK2 is pointless, it is too late already as there are potentially thousands of the original out there so the damage has been done already. Hamidi won't admit he has dropped a bollock and announce a product recall, even if he did, how many anglers would actually send them back?
The best hope is that waters up and down the country continue to ban it rendering it useless...
I was quite surprised to see that Finn Lewis, (Wildman series on Cyp) bigging the twig up, he's obviously just got a bit of a deal with them but he always struck me as a traditionalist angler....
In reply to Post #753
That does comes as something of a shock.
That does comes as something of a shock.
In reply to Post #753
some people will sell their soul for momey
some people will sell their soul for momey
In reply to Post #740
ive been waiting for the tackle trade to respond, banning it is a serious response
ive been waiting for the tackle trade to respond, banning it is a serious response
In reply to Post #751
He could have requested a "Do Not Disclose" notice. Very easy to issue.
He could have requested a "Do Not Disclose" notice. Very easy to issue.
He reckons he's already sold 300k. Take that however you see fit.
In reply to Post #758
so thats basically 15'000 people buying two packs since most people use 3 rods. That surprises me. I mean on the plus side thats 60'000 twigs, hopefully he only put in a minimum order which is almost depleted and can try and make a new safe version 2... or just stop selling them..
so thats basically 15'000 people buying two packs since most people use 3 rods. That surprises me. I mean on the plus side thats 60'000 twigs, hopefully he only put in a minimum order which is almost depleted and can try and make a new safe version 2... or just stop selling them..
Will be interesting to see how the European carp fraternity reacts, there is a huge huge market out there and this will probably give his company the vast majority of his sales.
In reply to Post #759
Not 30k, 300k! But I imagine he has got his eyes on the European market and won't be too fussed if it's banned into oblivion back home. Apparently a former employer of Hamidi was approached and rejected it on ethical grounds...
Not 30k, 300k! But I imagine he has got his eyes on the European market and won't be too fussed if it's banned into oblivion back home. Apparently a former employer of Hamidi was approached and rejected it on ethical grounds...
In reply to Post #758
Bo!!ocks has he...
Bo!!ocks has he...
In reply to Post #763
Problem is in a month or so there will be numerous china copies available everywhere... One can only hope that plastic will be of bad quality so they will fall apart lile spombs etc do...
Problem is in a month or so there will be numerous china copies available everywhere... One can only hope that plastic will be of bad quality so they will fall apart lile spombs etc do...
In reply to Post #764
I honestly don't think you could copy this and make it any more dangerous
I honestly don't think you could copy this and make it any more dangerous
In reply to Post #761
"Not 30k, 300k" I was assuming that was the amount of money not the actual amount of products.
"Not 30k, 300k" I was assuming that was the amount of money not the actual amount of products.
In reply to Post #764
I don't think with all the bans in place there is not enough revenue to encourage someone to copy and reproduce in China.
Most of our consumer electrical goods are made out there, they typically have the best of everything when it comes to manufacturing capabilities.
I don't think it's the Chinese fault more like the person getting them to do it who is probably some clueless western person trying to make a quick ££
I don't think with all the bans in place there is not enough revenue to encourage someone to copy and reproduce in China.
Most of our consumer electrical goods are made out there, they typically have the best of everything when it comes to manufacturing capabilities.
I don't think it's the Chinese fault more like the person getting them to do it who is probably some clueless western person trying to make a quick ££
In reply to Post #758
300k of these ****ing carp killers. There had better not be.
300k of these ****ing carp killers. There had better not be.
In reply to Post #766
I may be out of date, but it used to cost approx £15K to bring a product to market.
Design, Tooling, packaging, marketing etc
I may be out of date, but it used to cost approx £15K to bring a product to market.
Design, Tooling, packaging, marketing etc
He's suddenly gone very quiet on the twig front now Embryo and Gigantica have banned them, so has the OMC page.
In reply to Post #766
Quote on the US FB site by Kieran Ryder ‘OMC UK Commercial Mgr'
“.... honestly bud, give it ago. Europe sold out, England only has a few heavy left ... shows amongst the noise there is plenty of people realising how effective this is
A lot of very inexperienced carp fishermen over here 😢😢😢
Quote on the US FB site by Kieran Ryder ‘OMC UK Commercial Mgr'
“.... honestly bud, give it ago. Europe sold out, England only has a few heavy left ... shows amongst the noise there is plenty of people realising how effective this is
A lot of very inexperienced carp fishermen over here 😢😢😢
In reply to Post #771
France is full of Joeys, so doesn't surprise me at all.
France is full of Joeys, so doesn't surprise me at all.
All hype... if they have sold 300,000 of that death rig contraption it would really show the state of our hobby... utter rubbish and self hype.
You should all see the state of one of his (Hamidi) FB comments of yesterday night.
He's dug in so deeply, he clearly sees no way back and despite all the obviousness, carp care and survival has been deleted from his rationality radar....
" Well The Magic Twig is firmly here to stay...and I hope in that time just a tiny amount of the population actually cast one out and fish with them. Then draw some accurate personal data. If not, have no opinion at all and let those loving them enjoy their journey. We will support them and ensure they have great success with the product. It's times like these when you really have a love for your most loyal supporters. Always there for us! "
He's dug in so deeply, he clearly sees no way back and despite all the obviousness, carp care and survival has been deleted from his rationality radar....
" Well The Magic Twig is firmly here to stay...and I hope in that time just a tiny amount of the population actually cast one out and fish with them. Then draw some accurate personal data. If not, have no opinion at all and let those loving them enjoy their journey. We will support them and ensure they have great success with the product. It's times like these when you really have a love for your most loyal supporters. Always there for us! "
In reply to Post #780
Sadly, ive deleted two members personal attack comments on each other.
keep it nice chaps, no need to spoil things and get this important thread locked
Sadly, ive deleted two members personal attack comments on each other.
keep it nice chaps, no need to spoil things and get this important thread locked
In reply to Post #780
So in essence, he is basically saying right there that you need to spend a tenner with him first... To even allow you to have an opinion about his death rig?
This just gets worse and worse. It becomes more and more of a sick joke every single day they keep it on sale.
So in essence, he is basically saying right there that you need to spend a tenner with him first... To even allow you to have an opinion about his death rig?
This just gets worse and worse. It becomes more and more of a sick joke every single day they keep it on sale.
In reply to Post #782
If he wanted an ounce of respect back, he would be more conciliatory in his responses. I don't think he is self aware enough to do it or have that attribute in his psyche.
Its fairly sad to watch and embarrassing for him. He must be so deeply into this that he believes he can't get out.
If he wanted an ounce of respect back, he would be more conciliatory in his responses. I don't think he is self aware enough to do it or have that attribute in his psyche.
Its fairly sad to watch and embarrassing for him. He must be so deeply into this that he believes he can't get out.
In reply to Post #783
Have RK made a stance on it yet?
Have RK made a stance on it yet?
In reply to Post #784
Banned on all their waters according to an earlier post
Banned on all their waters according to an earlier post
In reply to Post #785
Good if correct
Good if correct
In reply to Post #786
It is correct.
Today I've seen with my own eyes the strength of the twig. Lifted a 6.2kg bucket of water. The strengthening arms were cut off and it held a 5kg bucket of water with no signs of snapping or even bending backwards.
Seriously, this thing is a danger. And if OMC adapt it so the arms do break, are we going to end up with plastic arms all over the lake bed. Which imo is just as bad.
It is correct.
Today I've seen with my own eyes the strength of the twig. Lifted a 6.2kg bucket of water. The strengthening arms were cut off and it held a 5kg bucket of water with no signs of snapping or even bending backwards.
Seriously, this thing is a danger. And if OMC adapt it so the arms do break, are we going to end up with plastic arms all over the lake bed. Which imo is just as bad.
In reply to Post #781
I didn't see the slanging match. It's a shame it's happened, and this has been a very emotive subject.
Is there any option to lock people out of a thread, or give a suspension rather than an outright ban.
I didn't see the slanging match. It's a shame it's happened, and this has been a very emotive subject.
Is there any option to lock people out of a thread, or give a suspension rather than an outright ban.
In reply to Post #788
I think only their silly posts were removed, correct Joss?
I think only their silly posts were removed, correct Joss?
In reply to Post #783
Always hard to imagine what financial pressure the company is under, be it internal (ROI) or external. It does appear from the outside that OMC are pretty desperate to recoup as much money back as possible, ignoring all of the negative discussion. Kind of reminds me of old Johnson and brexit.
Always hard to imagine what financial pressure the company is under, be it internal (ROI) or external. It does appear from the outside that OMC are pretty desperate to recoup as much money back as possible, ignoring all of the negative discussion. Kind of reminds me of old Johnson and brexit.
In reply to Post #790
Twigxit?
We have to laugh lads
Twigxit?
We have to laugh lads
In reply to Post #788
i always like to give people a fair chance mate.
i always like to give people a fair chance mate.
In reply to Post #789
yes mate
yes mate
In reply to Post #790
Million went in to begin with. That was down approx £300k in first year. Second year accounts due very soon, which won't reflect the Death Twig. Pocket money to Ray Kelvin....but not play money.
Million went in to begin with. That was down approx £300k in first year. Second year accounts due very soon, which won't reflect the Death Twig. Pocket money to Ray Kelvin....but not play money.
Forget the magic twig.
Behold the logger.
https://youtu.be/R7KY9ZtIWLk?si=xI6iwVvaEJ8drOfT
Behold the logger.
https://youtu.be/R7KY9ZtIWLk?si=xI6iwVvaEJ8drOfT
In reply to Post #795
Gets all its power from the sun. 😂
Gets all its power from the sun. 😂
In reply to Post #795
Thats quality
Thats quality
In reply to Post #795
He's a nice bloke aswell, met him a few times on the bank when i was a member of lymm anglers
He's a nice bloke aswell, met him a few times on the bank when i was a member of lymm anglers
In reply to Post #795
Brilliant, a proper p1ss take
Brilliant, a proper p1ss take
In reply to Post #799
Lots more bans rolled in over the last 24 hours.
Its great to see that the vast, vast majority of water owners/controllers have the sense to stop the use of this dangerous device.
Lots more bans rolled in over the last 24 hours.
Its great to see that the vast, vast majority of water owners/controllers have the sense to stop the use of this dangerous device.
In reply to Post #795
In reply to Post #801
My mate watched Ali live Facebook last night , said he ignored questions on the twig , including a cracker from someone who asked " did you see the 5 kg hanging on the arms" , he had a great opportunity to put his case , but I'm afraid his video of " the arms will snap off " and he could not do it showed the extensive testing was just mates . It must be hard for him as this was the only thing that is different on the market from OMC .
My mate watched Ali live Facebook last night , said he ignored questions on the twig , including a cracker from someone who asked " did you see the 5 kg hanging on the arms" , he had a great opportunity to put his case , but I'm afraid his video of " the arms will snap off " and he could not do it showed the extensive testing was just mates . It must be hard for him as this was the only thing that is different on the market from OMC .
Crystal Waters just posted a video from their testing. They landed a fish, problem free they said, but interestingly one of the arms was missing when landed. So either it got snagged up and the arm snapped off, or it just fell off on its own accord.
Safety questions out the way, that's £5 down the pan.
Safety questions out the way, that's £5 down the pan.
In reply to Post #803
ali did say it will work with one arm only, but there is more flex in the device with one arm.
ali did say it will work with one arm only, but there is more flex in the device with one arm.
In reply to Post #804
I expect that's why he is on a blocking mission on socials because he doesn't want the critique as there is no rational arguments he can provide as an adequate defence.
However, sticking one's fingers in one's ears will not win a debate. It will simply allow it to evolve even further out of his control.
I expect that's why he is on a blocking mission on socials because he doesn't want the critique as there is no rational arguments he can provide as an adequate defence.
However, sticking one's fingers in one's ears will not win a debate. It will simply allow it to evolve even further out of his control.
In reply to Post #803
there is definitely a pattern of fisheries allowing these things, most if not all have a working relationship with ali or know him,some have tackle shops onsite selling omc products...any review of the twig from any of these can be taken with a pinch of salt
there is definitely a pattern of fisheries allowing these things, most if not all have a working relationship with ali or know him,some have tackle shops onsite selling omc products...any review of the twig from any of these can be taken with a pinch of salt
In reply to Post #806
They all sound the same and have a few similar phrases. Like it being a good addition to your tackle box. Why would a fishery say that when reviewing its safety? Sounds like they got a script to stick to loosely.
I just can't wait for the twig v2 where the arms do snap off and OMC get rammed for plastic pollution, considering they play on eco credentials with paper packaging, etc.
They all sound the same and have a few similar phrases. Like it being a good addition to your tackle box. Why would a fishery say that when reviewing its safety? Sounds like they got a script to stick to loosely.
I just can't wait for the twig v2 where the arms do snap off and OMC get rammed for plastic pollution, considering they play on eco credentials with paper packaging, etc.
In reply to Post #807
I don't even understand what this Tragic Trig is trying to achieve:
It doesn't ‘fire' when fish are lightly hooked, as evidenced by the terrapin. No extra, finicky bites will be converted to runs.
It only fires after a certain pressure has been exerted by the lead, ie after the fish has been hooked.
It has swivels at both ends, a big ‘no no' back in the day.
It has arms which act like hooks.
You need to apply PVA before every cast.
It will definitely catch in the mesh on many occasions.
If snagged or weeded up the anchors will not break and will only widen, thus worsening the problem.
The plastic has memory, once fully splayed out they stay that way. The rig should be chucked away, but most won't!
It will reduce casting range and accuracy.
It's expensive.
The benefits are precisely zero!
I don't even understand what this Tragic Trig is trying to achieve:
It doesn't ‘fire' when fish are lightly hooked, as evidenced by the terrapin. No extra, finicky bites will be converted to runs.
It only fires after a certain pressure has been exerted by the lead, ie after the fish has been hooked.
It has swivels at both ends, a big ‘no no' back in the day.
It has arms which act like hooks.
You need to apply PVA before every cast.
It will definitely catch in the mesh on many occasions.
If snagged or weeded up the anchors will not break and will only widen, thus worsening the problem.
The plastic has memory, once fully splayed out they stay that way. The rig should be chucked away, but most won't!
It will reduce casting range and accuracy.
It's expensive.
The benefits are precisely zero!
In reply to Post #808
Exactly everything you state. Its bonkers but nods will be nods.
Exactly everything you state. Its bonkers but nods will be nods.
In reply to Post #809
Do we think Uncle Jim will do a Cypography interview about this contraption where he shares his view on it, as an exclusive, one off pay per view show, let's say £14.95
Do we think Uncle Jim will do a Cypography interview about this contraption where he shares his view on it, as an exclusive, one off pay per view show, let's say £14.95
Back in the early '70's the first club I joined had a rule stating that "The auto-strike is banned" I didn't have a clue what one was, but often wondered. In a FB discussion about the twig someone posted an advertising pic of the auto-strike dated 1965, it was a telescopic tube similar to the twig but without the arms. The cocking/release mechanism appeared to be enclosed within the tube. Had AH copied this near 60 year old design there would have been far less of an outcry on the safety front. I can't ever remember it getting talked about in the mags or on the bank, so guess it's production was short lived. Maybe the fish catching ethics were a lot higher them days, if not the fish care once on the bank.
I think other organisations will be unhappy over this we already have bad press regarding RSPCB what happens if any bird life gets caught on this and tethered up and left to die and this monstrosity is attached to it especially if it's a big bird like a swan or geese that can easily pick up a rig without diving.
In reply to Post #811
Perhaps another tackle with reintroduce a version of the 'auto-strike'? No flaying arms so no breaching of copyright.
The catch ethics won't change but with a bit of though it could get it past the safety concerns?
I hope it doesn't happen......just saying.
Perhaps another tackle with reintroduce a version of the 'auto-strike'? No flaying arms so no breaching of copyright.
The catch ethics won't change but with a bit of though it could get it past the safety concerns?
I hope it doesn't happen......just saying.
Cmon I'm sure you load of old women can make it to 1000 posts 🫢
In reply to Post #815
easily
have you bought some death traps yet
easily
have you bought some death traps yet
In reply to Post #815
definitely,the fish casualties,torn mouth and other horror stories are yet to happen... this is just the start of it.
definitely,the fish casualties,torn mouth and other horror stories are yet to happen... this is just the start of it.
In reply to Post #815
I am sure
I am sure
In reply to Post #818
We can do it!
We can do it!
In reply to Post #819
even Les quis complex just banned it
even Les quis complex just banned it
In reply to Post #820
Ive banned it.
Ive banned it.
In reply to Post #821
from which fishery???
from which fishery???
In reply to Post #822
Just my house mate
Just my house mate
In reply to Post #823
🤣🤣🤣 fair play...ive banned it too then
🤣🤣🤣 fair play...ive banned it too then
In reply to Post #823
That's a pisser,count me in on the banned fishery list too
That's a pisser,count me in on the banned fishery list too
In reply to Post #825
Just seen it on YouTube someone using it as a great weed rake
Just seen it on YouTube someone using it as a great weed rake
In reply to Post #826
https://youtu.be/xe77YUJcFNo?si=FenG_aAQeSayDN4Q
Seems the EA have made a statement regards the Twig
https://youtu.be/xe77YUJcFNo?si=FenG_aAQeSayDN4Q
Seems the EA have made a statement regards the Twig
Only 173 to go chaps 🤔
In reply to Post #827
That guy has misinterpreted what he has been told by the EA.
If the EA have confirmed that the Magic Twig falls foul of the angling bylaws in the Thames Water region then a private fishery cannot override that bylaw and allow its use.
That guy has misinterpreted what he has been told by the EA.
If the EA have confirmed that the Magic Twig falls foul of the angling bylaws in the Thames Water region then a private fishery cannot override that bylaw and allow its use.
In reply to Post #828
Well done for helping to bump the numbers up, you'll soon make the magic 1000.
Well done for helping to bump the numbers up, you'll soon make the magic 1000.
In reply to Post #829
If it has been confirmed by the EA as prohibited in a particular region, the decision to use it on a private basis would be moot. That part of what he says doesn't line up. Its not for individuals to determine when a regulation does or does not apply to them; they will have statutory power, unless, again, there's something in that or related regulations that caveats the restriction in some way. I haven't read the entire bylaw, just the pertinent section 4.
What would be truly important for this particular thread of discussion is having a very clear, legal and agreed definition of "hook a fish automatically" which is what the bylaw states and thus is the nub of this particular debate.
The words of the regulation are clear but we need to get to that understood definition first; what is the true meaning of that phrase. If this does hook automatically (and most of us know the smoke and mirrors into how it really can't) but if it is determined that it does, then it simply couldn't be permitted in that region (unless a regulatory caveat as mentioned above were to permit it). That wouldn't make sense though.
If it has been confirmed by the EA as prohibited in a particular region, the decision to use it on a private basis would be moot. That part of what he says doesn't line up. Its not for individuals to determine when a regulation does or does not apply to them; they will have statutory power, unless, again, there's something in that or related regulations that caveats the restriction in some way. I haven't read the entire bylaw, just the pertinent section 4.
What would be truly important for this particular thread of discussion is having a very clear, legal and agreed definition of "hook a fish automatically" which is what the bylaw states and thus is the nub of this particular debate.
The words of the regulation are clear but we need to get to that understood definition first; what is the true meaning of that phrase. If this does hook automatically (and most of us know the smoke and mirrors into how it really can't) but if it is determined that it does, then it simply couldn't be permitted in that region (unless a regulatory caveat as mentioned above were to permit it). That wouldn't make sense though.
In reply to Post #831
In reply to Post #831
If you watch that video fish was already hooked therefore Ali will say it's not self hooking 😂😂😂 banned on both my syndicates and you will be if caught using it , in my opinion I can see it getting pulled from sale even accounting for the cost of production,
If you watch that video fish was already hooked therefore Ali will say it's not self hooking 😂😂😂 banned on both my syndicates and you will be if caught using it , in my opinion I can see it getting pulled from sale even accounting for the cost of production,
In reply to Post #832
DP oops ,,, helps the numbers tho 🤷🏼♂️😂😂
DP oops ,,, helps the numbers tho 🤷🏼♂️😂😂
In reply to Post #831
Will the bylaw apply to the logger?
Will the bylaw apply to the logger?
In reply to Post #831
I would say that all the rigs used for carpfoshing, could be considered to “hook a fish automatically”, hence the fact you get a run, and not just a little movement tht you need to strike.
I would say that all the rigs used for carpfoshing, could be considered to “hook a fish automatically”, hence the fact you get a run, and not just a little movement tht you need to strike.
In reply to Post #836
a device that is triggered is on another level
a device that is triggered is on another level
In reply to Post #837
Yep, there's a big difference between the Fish using its own momentum to hook itself by choice and a miniaturised bloody Bear trap going off!
Yep, there's a big difference between the Fish using its own momentum to hook itself by choice and a miniaturised bloody Bear trap going off!
In reply to Post #838
Leighton buzzard angling club have just officially banned it. Super weedy waters so a no brainer. We bought some to have a look at, and they really are a joke. Returned them for a refund. Browns angling have sold out
Leighton buzzard angling club have just officially banned it. Super weedy waters so a no brainer. We bought some to have a look at, and they really are a joke. Returned them for a refund. Browns angling have sold out
In reply to Post #837
But the bye law doesnt mention a device does it? (Genuine question) I havent seen it, just going off this thread. And as said previosuly, this device is not for me, i dont agree with it, i can see the dangers. but there has to be some care taken around the arguments against it, we dont want to create an issue that has not previously existed. Maybe the bye law states a device and its a mute point, but something worth considering
definition of automatic
(of a device or process) working by itself with little or no direct human control.
But the bye law doesnt mention a device does it? (Genuine question) I havent seen it, just going off this thread. And as said previosuly, this device is not for me, i dont agree with it, i can see the dangers. but there has to be some care taken around the arguments against it, we dont want to create an issue that has not previously existed. Maybe the bye law states a device and its a mute point, but something worth considering
definition of automatic
(of a device or process) working by itself with little or no direct human control.
In reply to Post #839
Also, ive seen a lot of anger directed at omc and hamindi, over this. And i may have missed it, but doesnt seem to be anything in relation to the shops stocking it.
Surely if people want to send a message, boycoting the shops selling them, is far more effective than going at him on facebook, which clearly isnt working. Money talks at the end of the day. If the shops suffer, they wil stop stocking it. Plenty out there who wont/dont stock it for people to use
Also, ive seen a lot of anger directed at omc and hamindi, over this. And i may have missed it, but doesnt seem to be anything in relation to the shops stocking it.
Surely if people want to send a message, boycoting the shops selling them, is far more effective than going at him on facebook, which clearly isnt working. Money talks at the end of the day. If the shops suffer, they wil stop stocking it. Plenty out there who wont/dont stock it for people to use
In reply to Post #842
The shop I use have a omc account and won't stock the twig,there is a video on YouTube now of a young lad using it.I think one comment sums it up perfectly,it says that the lad is exactly the kind of person Ali knew would buy this.That is not the comment word for word but its the generally jist of it,unfortunately its out there now and people will use it even if banned.
The shop I use have a omc account and won't stock the twig,there is a video on YouTube now of a young lad using it.I think one comment sums it up perfectly,it says that the lad is exactly the kind of person Ali knew would buy this.That is not the comment word for word but its the generally jist of it,unfortunately its out there now and people will use it even if banned.
In reply to Post #842
He's sold loads just for the sake of seeing it and trialling. Our club has bought some, as have hundreds of others and anglers themselves. He's made enough just from that alone.
If it really falls foul of the thames byelaws that's a huge area. It includes Oxfordshire, Berkshire, London areas. It's vast and very busy angler wise. It's a massive market which will impact sales no end.
He's sold loads just for the sake of seeing it and trialling. Our club has bought some, as have hundreds of others and anglers themselves. He's made enough just from that alone.
If it really falls foul of the thames byelaws that's a huge area. It includes Oxfordshire, Berkshire, London areas. It's vast and very busy angler wise. It's a massive market which will impact sales no end.
In reply to Post #842
DP
DP
No comment from the Angling Trust on an item of tackle that by all accounts 'could' be detrimental to fish safety, there's a surprise given that Ali Hamedi is listed as an ambassador.
In reply to Post #844
Not sure. I'd imagine the return on the initial run of them being made is pretty low. All the monet spent flying a film crew round the world to try get footage of ot working, they must have hundreds and hundreds of thousands riding on it.
The irony is, if it truly was a game changer, all they needed to do was send that footballer bloke to linear amd let him outfish everyone else.
Not sure. I'd imagine the return on the initial run of them being made is pretty low. All the monet spent flying a film crew round the world to try get footage of ot working, they must have hundreds and hundreds of thousands riding on it.
The irony is, if it truly was a game changer, all they needed to do was send that footballer bloke to linear amd let him outfish everyone else.
In reply to Post #846
I think if the angling trust get involved in one particular company's product it puts them in a very difficult position in the future and alienates that particular company.
if it was a method of catching using tackle available from all company's and constructed in a way that resulted in a death rig then I think it would be different but I don't think they will alienate one company in this way.
I think if the angling trust get involved in one particular company's product it puts them in a very difficult position in the future and alienates that particular company.
if it was a method of catching using tackle available from all company's and constructed in a way that resulted in a death rig then I think it would be different but I don't think they will alienate one company in this way.
30g of injection moulded plastic and a spring in a cardboard box does not take hundreds of thousands of pounds to put on the shelves.
The ‘inventor' likely got a few packets of hooks upfront and the promise of a fortune in future royalties. A few Ryanair flights and more hooks to the carp anglers with cameras for the YouTube video. The rest of the marketing is being done for free by the hate campaign.
I got asked by a non angling friend the other day what I thought of this magic twig thing. His words were ‘apparently it's taking the fishing world by storm'
The idea that people seem to have that this product will bring down an operation with multi million pound backing is naive. It might not do the numbers they hoped, and Ali looks like a fish hating plonker, but it's not going to bankrupt anyone.
The ‘inventor' likely got a few packets of hooks upfront and the promise of a fortune in future royalties. A few Ryanair flights and more hooks to the carp anglers with cameras for the YouTube video. The rest of the marketing is being done for free by the hate campaign.
I got asked by a non angling friend the other day what I thought of this magic twig thing. His words were ‘apparently it's taking the fishing world by storm'
The idea that people seem to have that this product will bring down an operation with multi million pound backing is naive. It might not do the numbers they hoped, and Ali looks like a fish hating plonker, but it's not going to bankrupt anyone.
In reply to Post #836
I think you make a fair point. I started carp angling free lining or with a float, and tbh, i laughed and looked down upon those using the self hooking mechanism called bolt rig. This thing by omc is dangerous, but as i see it only adds something after the hooking, a bit like a fully loaded springer.
All in all, if you want it banned i think you have to find another angle than fish automatically.
Anyways, we've looked at this thing from many angles now and i'm starting to believe it's nothing but utter crap, adds nothing, and therefore after the initial hype, will die a silent death.
I think you make a fair point. I started carp angling free lining or with a float, and tbh, i laughed and looked down upon those using the self hooking mechanism called bolt rig. This thing by omc is dangerous, but as i see it only adds something after the hooking, a bit like a fully loaded springer.
All in all, if you want it banned i think you have to find another angle than fish automatically.
Anyways, we've looked at this thing from many angles now and i'm starting to believe it's nothing but utter crap, adds nothing, and therefore after the initial hype, will die a silent death.
In reply to Post #849
I reckon OMC are nowhere near making any profit yet though. Seem to remember one of the owners, possibly the fashion / sealskinz guy put £1 million in.
My lake just banned it.
I reckon OMC are nowhere near making any profit yet though. Seem to remember one of the owners, possibly the fashion / sealskinz guy put £1 million in.
My lake just banned it.
In reply to Post #848
Don't expect too much from the Angling Trust. I messaged them two years ago suggesting they should make a statement regarding the use of hormones in angling, other than a reply stating they would forward my message to their campaigns team, nothing.
Don't expect too much from the Angling Trust. I messaged them two years ago suggesting they should make a statement regarding the use of hormones in angling, other than a reply stating they would forward my message to their campaigns team, nothing.
In reply to Post #850
The fact it has a swivel at either end and therefore cannot be dropped / ejected in a break off is a fundamental step backwards. Then the fact it's a weed rake, then the fact it doesn't really work... It's not really got much going for it has it
The fact it has a swivel at either end and therefore cannot be dropped / ejected in a break off is a fundamental step backwards. Then the fact it's a weed rake, then the fact it doesn't really work... It's not really got much going for it has it
In reply to Post #851
It's highly unlikely that they would have expected to turn a profit in the first few years. They are trying to establish a multi million pound international brand, not open a sandwich shop.
It's highly unlikely that they would have expected to turn a profit in the first few years. They are trying to establish a multi million pound international brand, not open a sandwich shop.
In reply to Post #849
You're forgetting they have to pay to have the mould made, and that isn't cheap at all!
You're forgetting they have to pay to have the mould made, and that isn't cheap at all!
In reply to Post #855
Depends on your definition of cheap.
It doesn't cost hundreds of thousands of pounds for something like this twig though. If it did we wouldn't have all the cheap knock off internet tackle companies.
Mass production of billions of different little bits of plastic and the competition to make them mean that the cost to produce injection moulds is lower than it once was. Particularly if you have manufacturing experience and know where to go. You would assume these guys will know that information between them.
Depends on your definition of cheap.
It doesn't cost hundreds of thousands of pounds for something like this twig though. If it did we wouldn't have all the cheap knock off internet tackle companies.
Mass production of billions of different little bits of plastic and the competition to make them mean that the cost to produce injection moulds is lower than it once was. Particularly if you have manufacturing experience and know where to go. You would assume these guys will know that information between them.
I work for an extrusion company. Tooling is not cheap, that will be at least 20k and plastic pellet has never been more expensive than it is at present, thanks to the oil price and energy costs. Then pop on your patent, your upfront royalty fee along with solicitors fees. You're easily into 5 figures before you start production. He will also have price breaks, the more they run, the less per 1000 he will pay. He's under a lot of pressure to ensure this sells.
In reply to Post #849
I think an awful lot of money would go into Patent attorneys. 2 years development, and this is the best they could come up with, I'd bet they finished this design within 2 weeks, and the rest of the time was spent throwing bags of cash at the patent office.
I think an awful lot of money would go into Patent attorneys. 2 years development, and this is the best they could come up with, I'd bet they finished this design within 2 weeks, and the rest of the time was spent throwing bags of cash at the patent office.
In reply to Post #857
Again, it's all relative. Five figures is expensive for a one man band trying to get a new product out. Zamora used to earn that a month and he's not even the money behind it.
Again, it's all relative. Five figures is expensive for a one man band trying to get a new product out. Zamora used to earn that a month and he's not even the money behind it.
TACKLE SHOPS ... it's evident that sadly there's a lot of people out there that can't see the issues with this product, many of which are inexperienced and taken in by Ali's marketing.
Any self respecting tackle company starting with Angling Direct should set a precedent and refuse to stock this product. Any of us that first saw pictures of it and understood how it worked could see all the potential problems. Sadly there are a lot of inexperienced anglers out there that just don't see the issues and will buy it .. Come on guys, find your morals and stop stocking it so that there's no potential of this being used on any fisheries??????
Any self respecting tackle company starting with Angling Direct should set a precedent and refuse to stock this product. Any of us that first saw pictures of it and understood how it worked could see all the potential problems. Sadly there are a lot of inexperienced anglers out there that just don't see the issues and will buy it .. Come on guys, find your morals and stop stocking it so that there's no potential of this being used on any fisheries??????
If you don't want buy a twig you can now buy their most advanced cap yet.Im not sure how advanced a cap can be,you could also get bait floss in a tin
In reply to Post #861
I cant believe no one's mentioned, in Ali's defence, the game changing bait screw with a hole in it, so you can tie a bait to the screw. Now thats finding a complicated solution to a problem that doesn't exist
I cant believe no one's mentioned, in Ali's defence, the game changing bait screw with a hole in it, so you can tie a bait to the screw. Now thats finding a complicated solution to a problem that doesn't exist
In reply to Post #862
Ideal for inserting some barbed wire through in order to create his latest death rig.
Ideal for inserting some barbed wire through in order to create his latest death rig.
In reply to Post #862
Well at least it's new. That's something, I guess.
Not like the new game changing Korda hook clip, that's going to absolutely revolutionise Caro fishing. Same as the one ESP have been selling for years
Well at least it's new. That's something, I guess.
Not like the new game changing Korda hook clip, that's going to absolutely revolutionise Caro fishing. Same as the one ESP have been selling for years
In reply to Post #864
To be fair isn't the korda one smaller and better suited for hooks than the esp one?
The magic twig did very well overshadowing that korda release.
To be fair isn't the korda one smaller and better suited for hooks than the esp one?
The magic twig did very well overshadowing that korda release.
In reply to Post #865
Think they're exactly the same thing? The esp one is just a Ronnie clip without the swivel
Think they're exactly the same thing? The esp one is just a Ronnie clip without the swivel
Would i get away with one of these in a solid bag ?
In reply to Post #867
size of the bag would be like a carrier bag
size of the bag would be like a carrier bag
In reply to Post #868
Re: the comment on the patent costs...one could apply themselves and do it personally by following the application process but if one is to secure the services of an IP lawyer, then fairly pricey. Mediocre IP lawyers are pricey, half decent more so. Everything is billable and the process to gain a patent is lengthy. Can be in excess of a year.
I speak as being part of that sector (not intellectual property) but law generally.
Re: the comment on the patent costs...one could apply themselves and do it personally by following the application process but if one is to secure the services of an IP lawyer, then fairly pricey. Mediocre IP lawyers are pricey, half decent more so. Everything is billable and the process to gain a patent is lengthy. Can be in excess of a year.
I speak as being part of that sector (not intellectual property) but law generally.
In reply to Post #853
Wasn't saying it has much going for it (on the contrary), just that the angle from which some suggest to ban the rake (automatic hooking) doesn't hold up.
Look, we on the continent have a different fishing culture, in over 40 years of fishing i've had my license checked twice, that's it. So the risk of this thing being used and thus abused here is way bigger. So i'm hoping that the uk anglers can get this thing cancelled, simple. In this day and age complaining seems to work best regardless of any laws, and this is my whole point, i don't see how the bylaw of automatic hooking could be used against it.
Wasn't saying it has much going for it (on the contrary), just that the angle from which some suggest to ban the rake (automatic hooking) doesn't hold up.
Look, we on the continent have a different fishing culture, in over 40 years of fishing i've had my license checked twice, that's it. So the risk of this thing being used and thus abused here is way bigger. So i'm hoping that the uk anglers can get this thing cancelled, simple. In this day and age complaining seems to work best regardless of any laws, and this is my whole point, i don't see how the bylaw of automatic hooking could be used against it.
In reply to Post #869
Trust lawyers to make a simple process drawn out and costly. Like buying a house.
Trust lawyers to make a simple process drawn out and costly. Like buying a house.
I think Ali has two choices now.
He either doubles down and hope this all blows over with nothing of note coming out due to it's usage IE. pictures of tethered carp, severe mouth damage etc.
or...
He listens to the angling public and brings out a mark II version, highlighting the fact he has our concerns at heart etc. He would get a small amount of my respect back for that, but he'll have to sort out the yes men around him who thought this was a great idea.
In my eyes, if he doesn't listen to concerns raised and one single fish dies as a result, he may as well pack it in entirely and crawl back under his marketing text books, because you deserve everything that's coming to you if you ignore (or in his case, openly mock) the people who have concerns about the quarry in their lake.
Not a lot gets my goat me in angling. Actually, that's a lie. A lot has got my goat, and a lot has stemmed from the days of Ali and his ilk shoving cameras underwater and turning this weird pastime into a "dip in/dip out" activity populated by an increasing large amount of cretins. Ali is a massive part of this new era, and if his stubbornness contributes to fish deaths then he can **** off far far away as far as I'm concerned.
He either doubles down and hope this all blows over with nothing of note coming out due to it's usage IE. pictures of tethered carp, severe mouth damage etc.
or...
He listens to the angling public and brings out a mark II version, highlighting the fact he has our concerns at heart etc. He would get a small amount of my respect back for that, but he'll have to sort out the yes men around him who thought this was a great idea.
In my eyes, if he doesn't listen to concerns raised and one single fish dies as a result, he may as well pack it in entirely and crawl back under his marketing text books, because you deserve everything that's coming to you if you ignore (or in his case, openly mock) the people who have concerns about the quarry in their lake.
Not a lot gets my goat me in angling. Actually, that's a lie. A lot has got my goat, and a lot has stemmed from the days of Ali and his ilk shoving cameras underwater and turning this weird pastime into a "dip in/dip out" activity populated by an increasing large amount of cretins. Ali is a massive part of this new era, and if his stubbornness contributes to fish deaths then he can **** off far far away as far as I'm concerned.
In reply to Post #871
You do have to accept that buying a house is a reasonably sizable, significant and costly endeavour, so the £2 or 3k it might cost you will likely protect you in the long run.
And, for clarity, we do have to read a shed load of books on the journey to protect your house purchase. You could always read those books, then sit the 100 hrs of exams yourself to save the £3k.
Anyway, back to abhorrent rig construction.
You do have to accept that buying a house is a reasonably sizable, significant and costly endeavour, so the £2 or 3k it might cost you will likely protect you in the long run.
And, for clarity, we do have to read a shed load of books on the journey to protect your house purchase. You could always read those books, then sit the 100 hrs of exams yourself to save the £3k.
Anyway, back to abhorrent rig construction.
In reply to Post #873
Aideykey. We think alike.
I don't think Hamidi has the self awareness to sort this out. His MO to date suggests he's on a continual collision course. He will reap what he is sowing
Aideykey. We think alike.
I don't think Hamidi has the self awareness to sort this out. His MO to date suggests he's on a continual collision course. He will reap what he is sowing
In reply to Post #874
Most of them have sold from the angling direct website, its ridiculous, I feel sorry for those carp in the noddy lakes.
Most of them have sold from the angling direct website, its ridiculous, I feel sorry for those carp in the noddy lakes.
A new acronym for this?
NPDR
Noddy puddle death rig.
NPDR
Noddy puddle death rig.
In reply to Post #844
Well it won't because the chances of getting your rod licence checked are minimal to non existent , the chances of the EA doing rig checks is even less likely. It's down to clubs and commercial fisheries ( including what some people call syndicates ) to get banned. Most clubs are very slow to react to things , either addressing issues at a monthly meeting or have committees that are so out of touch it may remain unaddressed until an AGM if someone can be bothered to raise it.
Well it won't because the chances of getting your rod licence checked are minimal to non existent , the chances of the EA doing rig checks is even less likely. It's down to clubs and commercial fisheries ( including what some people call syndicates ) to get banned. Most clubs are very slow to react to things , either addressing issues at a monthly meeting or have committees that are so out of touch it may remain unaddressed until an AGM if someone can be bothered to raise it.
In reply to Post #877
I think it's fairly clear a lot of fisheries, syndicates, clubs are banning it; the EA's stance is largely irrelevant.
I think it's fairly clear a lot of fisheries, syndicates, clubs are banning it; the EA's stance is largely irrelevant.
In reply to Post #878
To be fair the EA stance on most angling matters is irrelevant.
To be fair the EA stance on most angling matters is irrelevant.
In reply to Post #872
Too late for a MK2, the market is already flooded with the death rig MK1.
The only way he can salvage this IMO is to hold his hands up, admit he has dropped a huge bollock and instigate a product recall. To ensure that anglers return the ones they have purchased he will have to give some sortvof incentive such as a voucher...Will cost them thousands but he's got a brand to save....
Too late for a MK2, the market is already flooded with the death rig MK1.
The only way he can salvage this IMO is to hold his hands up, admit he has dropped a huge bollock and instigate a product recall. To ensure that anglers return the ones they have purchased he will have to give some sortvof incentive such as a voucher...Will cost them thousands but he's got a brand to save....
The part that will have the pressure dial on 11 for him is that there's a mainstream TV show already filmed I expect and let's face it, knowing him this horror is littered through that show in another constant marketing push.
The upshot is that he'll be selling his gadget to a market that a significant percentage of are telling him that this thing is incompatible with angling norms.
I bet that part alone is providing for sleepless nights. Extreme editing? Its going to need something else brand damage will get worse.
The upshot is that he'll be selling his gadget to a market that a significant percentage of are telling him that this thing is incompatible with angling norms.
I bet that part alone is providing for sleepless nights. Extreme editing? Its going to need something else brand damage will get worse.
In reply to Post #873
Seem to manage ok in a lot of other countries.
Mind you, our last move took just over 2 weeks. Amazing how efficient they can be when they want to go on holiday and it's coming up to their year end 🤔
Seem to manage ok in a lot of other countries.
Mind you, our last move took just over 2 weeks. Amazing how efficient they can be when they want to go on holiday and it's coming up to their year end 🤔
In reply to Post #881
Although this is a step to far in my eyes I keep up with OMC and all the other tackle company's, always looking at products that might be better than what I'm using now . Not hating OMC but they have produced nothing at all 🤔 . Clothing is a personal thing , it's ain't bad but his sheep keep saying how great it is when it still looks just like any other branded carp company . Hooks are all the same , wide , curve , choddy , iv got his blend coated braid , very average , so he needed something no other company made , hence I think they rushed head long into this unique OMC twig with no regard to morals or etiquette.
Latest cap is tactical , for heaven sake do people fall for this 🤔 , it might be ok looking but when it rained I pulled my hood up .
Although this is a step to far in my eyes I keep up with OMC and all the other tackle company's, always looking at products that might be better than what I'm using now . Not hating OMC but they have produced nothing at all 🤔 . Clothing is a personal thing , it's ain't bad but his sheep keep saying how great it is when it still looks just like any other branded carp company . Hooks are all the same , wide , curve , choddy , iv got his blend coated braid , very average , so he needed something no other company made , hence I think they rushed head long into this unique OMC twig with no regard to morals or etiquette.
Latest cap is tactical , for heaven sake do people fall for this 🤔 , it might be ok looking but when it rained I pulled my hood up .
In reply to Post #878
It will become very relevant to the Thames region once they finally make their position known.
It will become very relevant to the Thames region once they finally make their position known.
In reply to Post #881
Maybe producers and other people on tv where it will be aired dont know yet about this potentialy harmfull (in some areas or countries illegal) device that he is using when filming... Pretty sure they dont want to be accused of promoting behavior like that.
Maybe producers and other people on tv where it will be aired dont know yet about this potentialy harmfull (in some areas or countries illegal) device that he is using when filming... Pretty sure they dont want to be accused of promoting behavior like that.
In reply to Post #883
Of course people fall for it.
Do you really think a £400 rod is 8 times more effective than a £50 one? Marketing catches people, not fish. John Wilson would out fish most 'carpers' with a bit of split cane and an old Mitchell ffs.
This twig thing?
I've an idea - let's all not buy it. And it'll eventually go away.
Of course people fall for it.
Do you really think a £400 rod is 8 times more effective than a £50 one? Marketing catches people, not fish. John Wilson would out fish most 'carpers' with a bit of split cane and an old Mitchell ffs.
This twig thing?
I've an idea - let's all not buy it. And it'll eventually go away.
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Cmon one last effort to break the 1000 barrier
Cmon one last effort to break the 1000 barrier
In reply to Post #887
Getting there
Getting there
In reply to Post #887
You're doing a grand job helping 😂
You're doing a grand job helping 😂
In reply to Post #887
I think secretly you're are enjoying the thread whilst watching your fishing dvds
I think secretly you're are enjoying the thread whilst watching your fishing dvds
In reply to Post #890
And playing with his twig.
And playing with his twig.
In reply to Post #891
In reply to Post #891
Hope his activates better than alis in videos
Hope his activates better than alis in videos
In reply to Post #890
Ah you remembered I'm touched
Regarding this thread I have watched with interest .
Obviously would never bother with anything like the twig as I have never been that desperate .
Hardly ever drop fish , and very rarely struggle .
I'm just so enthralled how this piece of tackle has gripped the carp world with utter contempt for Ali and his I'll conceived product .
Well that's my slant on it so look forward to seeing this go past the 1000 mark .
Ah you remembered I'm touched
Regarding this thread I have watched with interest .
Obviously would never bother with anything like the twig as I have never been that desperate .
Hardly ever drop fish , and very rarely struggle .
I'm just so enthralled how this piece of tackle has gripped the carp world with utter contempt for Ali and his I'll conceived product .
Well that's my slant on it so look forward to seeing this go past the 1000 mark .
In reply to Post #894
you're welcome
you're welcome
In reply to Post #893
Not as his age,needs viagra just so doesn't piss on his slippers
Not as his age,needs viagra just so doesn't piss on his slippers
In reply to Post #889
Only marginally more informative than his dull, trolling posts on various fb groups of the same subject.
Only marginally more informative than his dull, trolling posts on various fb groups of the same subject.
In reply to Post #886
At the risk of going off topic I'm thinking of buying a 13ft 3.5lb.5lb set of rods. The korda Kaizen are 3 tines the price of the Gardner Covert rods. Are they 3 times better? I doubt it. BTW the Kaizen rods are being reduced on the ebay site I'm watching so maybe they aren't selling so well.
At the risk of going off topic I'm thinking of buying a 13ft 3.5lb.5lb set of rods. The korda Kaizen are 3 tines the price of the Gardner Covert rods. Are they 3 times better? I doubt it. BTW the Kaizen rods are being reduced on the ebay site I'm watching so maybe they aren't selling so well.
In reply to Post #894
Your best mate Keith has banned it from his lake though hasn't he?? Is that really why you're not using it??
899 .....not far to go.
Your best mate Keith has banned it from his lake though hasn't he?? Is that really why you're not using it??
899 .....not far to go.
In reply to Post #899
https://youtube.com/shorts/vrNWbe5w1nY?si=o_48eD-kvZBlkAkp
Not the sort of video I'd watch as he's make me turn off but another “Omc tester”
https://youtube.com/shorts/vrNWbe5w1nY?si=o_48eD-kvZBlkAkp
Not the sort of video I'd watch as he's make me turn off but another “Omc tester”
I can't wait until his ITV show.
I still get the ‘fish like the rain don't they and come to the top' now I will have Malcolm at the wedding and Wendy at work telling me about a brilliant thing they saw for carp catchers whilst channel hopping.
KMN
I still get the ‘fish like the rain don't they and come to the top' now I will have Malcolm at the wedding and Wendy at work telling me about a brilliant thing they saw for carp catchers whilst channel hopping.
KMN
In reply to Post #898
If you want really better they need to be 'carpy' black. Or camou. Or 11 ft. Or whatever this weeks 'edge' is..
If you want really better they need to be 'carpy' black. Or camou. Or 11 ft. Or whatever this weeks 'edge' is..
official response from the team -
“Innovation is a constant presence in fishing as anglers look for ways to catch their quarry more efficiently. However, we would always encourage people to adhere to both national and local fishery byelaws which can be found on the Environment Agency website here
- https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-rod-fishing-byelaws-for-england-freshwater-fishing-with-a-rod-and-line
Within this legal framework it is for clubs and fishery owners to decide what angling methods are permissible on their waters taking into consideration the welfare of their stock and the nature of their fisheries. Further advice from the EA would certainly be welcome and we are aware that the Environment Agency are working with fisheries and other stakeholders including ourselves to decide whether any additional regulatory control is required. The amount of interest that has been shown is an indication of just how seriously carp and other anglers take the issue of fish welfare.”
Intrigued on what the Angling trusts view on the matter do I asked them that was their response
“Innovation is a constant presence in fishing as anglers look for ways to catch their quarry more efficiently. However, we would always encourage people to adhere to both national and local fishery byelaws which can be found on the Environment Agency website here
- https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-rod-fishing-byelaws-for-england-freshwater-fishing-with-a-rod-and-line
Within this legal framework it is for clubs and fishery owners to decide what angling methods are permissible on their waters taking into consideration the welfare of their stock and the nature of their fisheries. Further advice from the EA would certainly be welcome and we are aware that the Environment Agency are working with fisheries and other stakeholders including ourselves to decide whether any additional regulatory control is required. The amount of interest that has been shown is an indication of just how seriously carp and other anglers take the issue of fish welfare.”
Intrigued on what the Angling trusts view on the matter do I asked them that was their response
In reply to Post #903
Or in other words
Nothing to do with us, you lot deal with it
Or in other words
Nothing to do with us, you lot deal with it
In reply to Post #903
One of Ali's mates is one of the top guys at the Angling Trust...
Probably why they have been selling his magic face ripper and they are unlikely to come out with any statement to advise against its use.
One of Ali's mates is one of the top guys at the Angling Trust...
Probably why they have been selling his magic face ripper and they are unlikely to come out with any statement to advise against its use.
If we hit a 1000 posts,I think there should be a prize for the person who is number post 1000
In reply to Post #906
Umm, what could the prize be.........
Umm, what could the prize be.........
In reply to Post #907
Being banned from the forum?
Being banned from the forum?
In reply to Post #906
Pack of Twigs?
Pack of Twigs?
In reply to Post #909
Pack of Twiglets?
Pack of Twiglets?
In reply to Post #910
maybe we could get in touch with hamidi and see if he would arrange for the winner to have a 1 to 1 session on how to safely set the twig up
maybe we could get in touch with hamidi and see if he would arrange for the winner to have a 1 to 1 session on how to safely set the twig up
I've just banned the Magic Twig on the little brook at the bottom of my garden. I've deemed it too dangerous for the minnows and bullheads.
In reply to Post #906
I reckon there's a mod somewhere just waiting to strike when it hits 999....
I know I would be 😀
I reckon there's a mod somewhere just waiting to strike when it hits 999....
I know I would be 😀
Tin hat on but My club water has allowed them so I will be giving them a try.......
In reply to Post #914
Should really be someone with 999 posts making the 1000th.
Should really be someone with 999 posts making the 1000th.
In reply to Post #916
In reply to Post #916
he never changes
he never changes
Banned at les quis complex
In reply to Post #920
who Wayne
who Wayne
In reply to Post #921
To be banned on all PAAS waters. Decision made.
To be banned on all PAAS waters. Decision made.
In reply to Post #922
Banned on all Warrington aa waters too.
Banned on all Warrington aa waters too.
In reply to Post #922
Where have you seen this?not had any email yet but I hope it's true
Where have you seen this?not had any email yet but I hope it's true
In reply to Post #923
good if true
good if true
In reply to Post #924
It's in the thread on the pa fb page, Heapey Bob posted it.
An email will go out in the next day or two.
It's in the thread on the pa fb page, Heapey Bob posted it.
An email will go out in the next day or two.
that's 2 massive north west clubs that's banned it, not sure on lymm.
In reply to Post #927
I cant see lymm allowing this contraption, i know the committee has changed recently, but from my previous experience with them they were very pro fish safety so I would be suprised if it hasn't been banned.
Also the chap who done the logger video is on the committee so i expect it will be banned soon if not already
I cant see lymm allowing this contraption, i know the committee has changed recently, but from my previous experience with them they were very pro fish safety so I would be suprised if it hasn't been banned.
Also the chap who done the logger video is on the committee so i expect it will be banned soon if not already
In reply to Post #926
Excellent news
Excellent news
It says on the front page of the thread
917 posts
But it's actually 930 strange ..
917 posts
But it's actually 930 strange ..
In reply to Post #930
There were a few posts deleted
There were a few posts deleted
In reply to Post #931
Gotta be careful for the real 1000 post then lol
Gotta be careful for the real 1000 post then lol
In reply to Post #933
Ouch !!
Ouch !!
Loving all these scenarios you lot are cobbling together .
Absolutely hilarious , no wonder the forum is not taken seriously these days .
Absolutely hilarious , no wonder the forum is not taken seriously these days .
In reply to Post #935
Alot of this is your fault for mentioning 1000 posts
Alot of this is your fault for mentioning 1000 posts
In reply to Post #933
That made me wince! Lol
That made me wince! Lol
In reply to Post #936
You could always lock the thread.
You could always lock the thread.
In reply to Post #938
now that would spoil it, might do when it reaches 1001 posts
now that would spoil it, might do when it reaches 1001 posts
In reply to Post #939
This one is going 5000,, this is only the beginning there is so much to still look forward to...
This one is going 5000,, this is only the beginning there is so much to still look forward to...
In reply to Post #935
I'm guessing you would use the death twig
I'm guessing you would use the death twig
In reply to Post #941
Banned on Pegasus lakes in fr.
Banned on Pegasus lakes in fr.
In reply to Post #941
Of course he would he's an Ali fan boy.
Of course he would he's an Ali fan boy.
In reply to Post #921
You was banned before me Joss.......
You was banned before me Joss.......
In reply to Post #944
ive never been banned from anywhere mate
ive never been banned from anywhere mate
Wait until the first poor animal, from a minority fishery is found locked on to a death anchor between sunken tree roots.
THEN watch the carnage....
THEN watch the carnage....
banned @ lake desire France
the baitworks podcast talk about the twig this month,they tell it as it is.
In reply to Post #948
Where can this be found mate, as looked on faceache and YouTube and nowt
Where can this be found mate, as looked on faceache and YouTube and nowt
In reply to Post #949
here: https://baitworks.libsyn.com/
here: https://baitworks.libsyn.com/
In reply to Post #949
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/carp-fishing-podcast/id1428392409?i=1000626438061
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/carp-fishing-podcast/id1428392409?i=1000626438061
In reply to Post #950
Been listening to fishing podcasts since about 2012, I think the first one ever was Graeme Pullen from TA fishing, so to not even realise Baitworks had one is shocking on my behalf! Downloaded about 6 of them
Been listening to fishing podcasts since about 2012, I think the first one ever was Graeme Pullen from TA fishing, so to not even realise Baitworks had one is shocking on my behalf! Downloaded about 6 of them
In reply to Post #952
It's probably the only one worth listening to these days. The preamble with Mark and Mike is always pretty interesting and they seem to be able to look further outside of the box for guests than the others.
It's probably the only one worth listening to these days. The preamble with Mark and Mike is always pretty interesting and they seem to be able to look further outside of the box for guests than the others.
Mark hits the nail on the head with every comment,he said as soon as as he seen it from the off he could see all the flaws in it and he couldn't believe that someone in hamidis position didn't see all the same things as everyone else does...he also commented about the love that hamidid did with the fishery owners and hamidid called them all niave for seeing the flaws and banning it.....Mark also said he cannot think what fishery are allowing it are actually thinking...hamidis made no friends over this and Mark also said it will be quite damaging to omc's reputation such an epic failure
In reply to Post #954
How far into the podcast is the chat about it. I haven't got the time to listen to 3hrs of it at the mo
How far into the podcast is the chat about it. I haven't got the time to listen to 3hrs of it at the mo
In reply to Post #951
Just listened. High-profile anglers (if you will) condemning it in this way will be the death knell for the twig I reckon.
Just listened. High-profile anglers (if you will) condemning it in this way will be the death knell for the twig I reckon.
In reply to Post #954
Mark is an angler, hamidi isn't. To me that's it in a nutshell.
Mark is an angler, hamidi isn't. To me that's it in a nutshell.
In reply to Post #955
starts around 54 mins
starts around 54 mins
In reply to Post #956
they are not saying nothing that us mere mortals didn't say straight from the off, It's so God dam obvious the problems with it but the arrogance of hamidi sees him in the position he's in now
they are not saying nothing that us mere mortals didn't say straight from the off, It's so God dam obvious the problems with it but the arrogance of hamidi sees him in the position he's in now
In reply to Post #960
Magic twig catch reports coming in thick and fast according to the OMC Instagram page.
Magic twig catch reports coming in thick and fast according to the OMC Instagram page.
Have a look at Elliot Symak's Facebook page....a proper old school carper who has actually purchased the twig and looked at it in his own lakes....
In reply to Post #963
And don't forget his follow up post where he says it's nothing but a weed rake and a danger to fish. He has banned it on his syndicate lake.
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02wMTCbyZDW1Eafz1H8E3k8Xje4qxgF1VWaoywXdsPP11ZSxyFrfukgbCgVY3dxZt3l&id=100005652707984&post_id=100005652707984_pfbid02wMTCbyZDW1Eafz1H8E3k8Xje4qxgF1VWaoywXdsPP11ZSxyFrfukgbCgVY3dxZt3l
And don't forget his follow up post where he says it's nothing but a weed rake and a danger to fish. He has banned it on his syndicate lake.
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02wMTCbyZDW1Eafz1H8E3k8Xje4qxgF1VWaoywXdsPP11ZSxyFrfukgbCgVY3dxZt3l&id=100005652707984&post_id=100005652707984_pfbid02wMTCbyZDW1Eafz1H8E3k8Xje4qxgF1VWaoywXdsPP11ZSxyFrfukgbCgVY3dxZt3l
In reply to Post #964
Were you on the live chat where Ali called fisheries that banned it naive?
Were you on the live chat where Ali called fisheries that banned it naive?
In reply to Post #965
What's also disturbing is the amount of FB posts from "anglers" who can't see an issue with it, and think it's all Ali haters jumping on the band wagon.
What's also disturbing is the amount of FB posts from "anglers" who can't see an issue with it, and think it's all Ali haters jumping on the band wagon.
In reply to Post #966
It doesnt help the amount of people that slated the product before its reveal, and the amount of posts before and since, where peoples personal feelings about Ali hamidi are bought into the debate.
In particular, the comments made before the release give the argument about Ali haters some credit
It doesnt help the amount of people that slated the product before its reveal, and the amount of posts before and since, where peoples personal feelings about Ali hamidi are bought into the debate.
In particular, the comments made before the release give the argument about Ali haters some credit
In reply to Post #967
Regardless to some peoples views about ali which may be a fair point that shouldn't stop all his followers from being able to think for themselves and recognise the fish safety flaws in this product and its potential as a death rig.
I still cannot understand anyone that defends it and thinks this is a safe product to use
Regardless to some peoples views about ali which may be a fair point that shouldn't stop all his followers from being able to think for themselves and recognise the fish safety flaws in this product and its potential as a death rig.
I still cannot understand anyone that defends it and thinks this is a safe product to use
In reply to Post #968
No it doesnt stop them thinking for themselves, but it does give them something to use as a comeback against rational arguments doesnt it, which is exactly what they are doing. People will see what they want to see, and use the irrational, Ali is a knobhead comments, against rational arguments being made against the product.
People know that smoking is bad for them, doesnt stop them doing it does it. The public, are morons
No it doesnt stop them thinking for themselves, but it does give them something to use as a comeback against rational arguments doesnt it, which is exactly what they are doing. People will see what they want to see, and use the irrational, Ali is a knobhead comments, against rational arguments being made against the product.
People know that smoking is bad for them, doesnt stop them doing it does it. The public, are morons
In reply to Post #967
Some, myself included, banned the Twig (all loaded self hooking rigs) before even seeing it purely on the basis of it (them) being unethical.
Once I saw the rig for the first time I knew it was a very bad design from a fish welfare point of view. It's as clear as day.
Ali's attitude towards fishery owners who banned it and anglers that voiced their concerns about it is absolutely disgraceful and I have absolutely zero respect for him as a man now.
Some, myself included, banned the Twig (all loaded self hooking rigs) before even seeing it purely on the basis of it (them) being unethical.
Once I saw the rig for the first time I knew it was a very bad design from a fish welfare point of view. It's as clear as day.
Ali's attitude towards fishery owners who banned it and anglers that voiced their concerns about it is absolutely disgraceful and I have absolutely zero respect for him as a man now.
In reply to Post #965
I was on the live chat that Ali did with the fishery management group.
I wish it was recorded, but I doubt OMC would have released it as they were really struggling with the questions and points against it that were pointed out.
Very naive of OMC and Ali to think this is a worthy product.
I was on the live chat that Ali did with the fishery management group.
I wish it was recorded, but I doubt OMC would have released it as they were really struggling with the questions and points against it that were pointed out.
Very naive of OMC and Ali to think this is a worthy product.
In reply to Post #970
Yeah, but banning something based on its mechanics, is different from slating something before youve even seen it, and bringing personal opinions about someone involved, into that argument.
Yeah, but banning something based on its mechanics, is different from slating something before youve even seen it, and bringing personal opinions about someone involved, into that argument.
In reply to Post #972
Ali is well, Ali. I used to think he was loud but seemed a decent sort however since this debacle, he's taken on quite a different external image; not a particularly endearing or marketable one.
Whatever one does or does not think of him, there is simply no escape from the fact that the item he is directly responsible for bringing to market is ill thought out and fundamentally flawed on safety grounds.
What may or may not have been said about him before or after the item's release is one matter but the way he is now responding to the public and those involved at the supply level of this sport (i.e. lake owners) is frankly unfathomable; from a person that has an education based in marketing. There's a time for contrition and self awareness in order that they maximise any chance of winning back vast swathes of the public that can see right through this danger device. He seems hell bent on ignorance and argument and I can only assume that is because he has dug in so.deeply, there's no way out for him. This really has a very worrying end to it I fear. I hope he is able to see some sensible way out of what's happening. When a fish eventually is found tethered to this, which will happen, the real problems will begin for him and heaven knows what he ends up thinking and doing.
Ali is well, Ali. I used to think he was loud but seemed a decent sort however since this debacle, he's taken on quite a different external image; not a particularly endearing or marketable one.
Whatever one does or does not think of him, there is simply no escape from the fact that the item he is directly responsible for bringing to market is ill thought out and fundamentally flawed on safety grounds.
What may or may not have been said about him before or after the item's release is one matter but the way he is now responding to the public and those involved at the supply level of this sport (i.e. lake owners) is frankly unfathomable; from a person that has an education based in marketing. There's a time for contrition and self awareness in order that they maximise any chance of winning back vast swathes of the public that can see right through this danger device. He seems hell bent on ignorance and argument and I can only assume that is because he has dug in so.deeply, there's no way out for him. This really has a very worrying end to it I fear. I hope he is able to see some sensible way out of what's happening. When a fish eventually is found tethered to this, which will happen, the real problems will begin for him and heaven knows what he ends up thinking and doing.
In reply to Post #969
What does that say about the people using the dislike from others for ali as a defence?
All that is saying to me is they cannot think for themselves and are backing what i fully believe is a very dangerous item of tackle on the grounds of ali is disliked, that is anything but a rational defence and shouldn't be used a comeback.
It is quite clear to me that whether or not people like or dislike ali the product is dangerous item of tackle and should not have been released and ali and others irrational defence of it is not doing themselves any favours at all
What does that say about the people using the dislike from others for ali as a defence?
All that is saying to me is they cannot think for themselves and are backing what i fully believe is a very dangerous item of tackle on the grounds of ali is disliked, that is anything but a rational defence and shouldn't be used a comeback.
It is quite clear to me that whether or not people like or dislike ali the product is dangerous item of tackle and should not have been released and ali and others irrational defence of it is not doing themselves any favours at all
In reply to Post #974
Still goes back to the first live video he did I'm afraid , " look they bend back and snap " 😲😲😲 , but it did not and he fluffed around with it in his hand , game up at that point .
Still goes back to the first live video he did I'm afraid , " look they bend back and snap " 😲😲😲 , but it did not and he fluffed around with it in his hand , game up at that point .
Just been to Angling Direct (where they didn't have what I wanted) and they had some Twigs in stock so had a look. Looks and feels like a prototype. Bloke behind the counter tells me that they're selling by the bucketload, in shops and online.
In reply to Post #976
Not going to say anything else is he
Not going to say anything else is he
In reply to Post #976
Yeah to all the people that want to look at them and make up their mind. Our club bought 2 packs, so did about 5 of my friends. No wonder they are selling. Can imagine half of not more of sales will be one time sales of this nature.
Yeah to all the people that want to look at them and make up their mind. Our club bought 2 packs, so did about 5 of my friends. No wonder they are selling. Can imagine half of not more of sales will be one time sales of this nature.
In reply to Post #972
Did they slate something they had not seen, or did they rightly presume it was going to be overhyped *****?
However, I don't think anyone thought it would be worse than what it actually is. EVERYTHING about the release has been shocking. What doesn't surprise me though, is the sheer nauseating adoration by grown men for another male who merely sells pieces of plastic for a living, and will quite happily put carp at risk just to get a "like" on facebook, as seen by the equally as nauseating pre planned videos and pictures of recent captures
"look Ali, I caught an 8lb ****ter, works a treat mate, eff the haters bruv"
Did they slate something they had not seen, or did they rightly presume it was going to be overhyped *****?
However, I don't think anyone thought it would be worse than what it actually is. EVERYTHING about the release has been shocking. What doesn't surprise me though, is the sheer nauseating adoration by grown men for another male who merely sells pieces of plastic for a living, and will quite happily put carp at risk just to get a "like" on facebook, as seen by the equally as nauseating pre planned videos and pictures of recent captures
"look Ali, I caught an 8lb ****ter, works a treat mate, eff the haters bruv"
In reply to Post #978
Yes, I think a lot of sales will be to the people who are curious to see it for themselves. I can't see the repeat sales doing so well.
Yes, I think a lot of sales will be to the people who are curious to see it for themselves. I can't see the repeat sales doing so well.
In reply to Post #974
Well these brand hangeronerers dont think for themselves do they. So the anti ali comments are another string to their bows of thinking that by defending it, and doing it publicly, and kissing peoples arses, they will get sponsored.
They cant argue with rational arguments, so they will ignore the rational arguments, and use theirrational comments made and concentrate on those
Well these brand hangeronerers dont think for themselves do they. So the anti ali comments are another string to their bows of thinking that by defending it, and doing it publicly, and kissing peoples arses, they will get sponsored.
They cant argue with rational arguments, so they will ignore the rational arguments, and use theirrational comments made and concentrate on those
In reply to Post #979
Being right in their presumptions, doesnt mean than people werent slating it before it was revealed, and adding their dislike for Ali as an extra
Being right in their presumptions, doesnt mean than people werent slating it before it was revealed, and adding their dislike for Ali as an extra
18 to go 🫢
17 now I have helped 🤔
17 now I have helped 🤔
what's bugging me about this whole thing since it's disaster of a launch is the lengths hamidi and omc are going to to try and make it look less disastrous and more sellable...the edited film where the arm is miraculously found in the net, picks it up and states " still usable though " also the fishery owners talking off the same script using the line " would be a great addition to any tackle box"
theyre all in it together to try and make this contraption sellable, it's a joke and so obviously scripted,like the early advert angling times done.....anyone associated with this thing should hang their heads in shame to even be associated with such a device...
theyre all in it together to try and make this contraption sellable, it's a joke and so obviously scripted,like the early advert angling times done.....anyone associated with this thing should hang their heads in shame to even be associated with such a device...
In reply to Post #984
spot on
spot on
In reply to Post #984
That Baitworks podcast was excellent. Very damning and considered.
That Baitworks podcast was excellent. Very damning and considered.
In reply to Post #986
Nearly there 😂😂
Nearly there 😂😂
In reply to Post #987
but not quite
but not quite
In reply to Post #976
Won't be buying anything from them again then..
Won't be buying anything from them again then..
In reply to Post #984
Including the retailers
Including the retailers
I know bluebell have banned it but what about linear, horseshoe, orchid etc? Have they as well? Glad my local club have
linear aren't arsed if it kills a few fish along the way,they've thousands upon thousands of carp.....cash sales through the till though £££££
In reply to Post #991
They are all in the Thames valley area where this is banned by the EA as per the bylaws. So whether they want to ban it or not, it isn't allowed.
They are all in the Thames valley area where this is banned by the EA as per the bylaws. So whether they want to ban it or not, it isn't allowed.
In reply to Post #993
Somebody just commented on alis page that he spent 90pounds on twigs and now he cant use them anywhere... I always said avarage carp anglers IQ is 66 but will probably have to go under 60 after this twig fiasco...
Somebody just commented on alis page that he spent 90pounds on twigs and now he cant use them anywhere... I always said avarage carp anglers IQ is 66 but will probably have to go under 60 after this twig fiasco...
I was very surprised to see a comment from Bernie Loftus almost endorsing them. He is the first 'respectable' angler I have seen come out and say to give them a chance. Most others have been very quiet about the topic, or just downright said they think it's u safe.
In reply to Post #994
You have only got to read deaffred's trolling posts to see its well under 60
You have only got to read deaffred's trolling posts to see its well under 60
Let the countdown begin...
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3
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2
2
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1
1
In reply to Post #999
0
I cheated
0
I cheated
In reply to Post #995
Might have been a pound note in it for him.
Might have been a pound note in it for him.
In reply to Post #994
If that **** spent £90 on twigs he must have been expecting to lose quite a few of them.
If that **** spent £90 on twigs he must have been expecting to lose quite a few of them.
In reply to Post #1002
I'm guessing he bought 3 packs of each weight...6 packs of each weight would be 3 rods and 3 spare... hamidi isn't stupid selling them un 2s is he
I'm guessing he bought 3 packs of each weight...6 packs of each weight would be 3 rods and 3 spare... hamidi isn't stupid selling them un 2s is he
In reply to Post #1000
Marketing isn't screaming from the rooftops (bankside/boat) that something is a ‘game changer', ‘revolutionary' without substantiation (proof).
Good marketing is taking a truth about a product and telling it to your audience in a way that is compelling, engaging and gives them a reason to act (find out more / purchase).
It's also understanding your audience - in this case, passionate, cynical anglers who get promised ‘prod Y' will catch you bigger & more fish than 'product x' did a few days before - over and over again. Follow these rules and a brand generates trust & loyalty eg. Daiwa / Shimano / Korda / Sticky / Thinking Anglers / JAG etc.
OMC are nowhere near this, they've brought an ill conceived, dangerous, ethically questionable piece of plastic out that even fails in its own demo films - it's not even fit for purpose (use of pva tape on a cast).
Tbh, all they had to do was bring out some well designed goretex, breathable jackets for a decent price, a 'stay sharp' hook (after 10 fish) or a catty modelled on a black widow with a range of 100m that doesn't snap.
I watched Dave Lane look at different hooks, line, bivvies, bags etc. and genuinely develop considered items of tackle that were ‘better quality, more durable, more effective - 360 hook etc.' That's product development - it's not asking a plumber for a self hooking screw plug.
Imagine if it worked....was not a weed / net anchor or ethically questionable, if it was concealed inside an in-line lead and was 100% efficient.
A more considered headline / intro would be, “They'll still get away with it...but not often.”
OMC's approach would be more “Give em some stick, get twiggy with it.”
Because of Ali's presence on ITV and exposure across the fishing media, OMC are using this as leverage for distribution, awareness and sales - but it's PR not Marketing.
We're lucky in Holland, really lucky, club waters and river fed lakes with unknown stocks - not ‘rainbow trout' style day tickets offering instant gratification with a 'catch at all costs' generation posting pasties on the gram to a grime soundtrack.
F-that, f-baitboats, f-gravel swims, f-onsite cafes, f-carp with damaged mouths, f-10yr waiting lists, f-buckets behind the swim and f-the tragic twig.
Marketing isn't screaming from the rooftops (bankside/boat) that something is a ‘game changer', ‘revolutionary' without substantiation (proof).
Good marketing is taking a truth about a product and telling it to your audience in a way that is compelling, engaging and gives them a reason to act (find out more / purchase).
It's also understanding your audience - in this case, passionate, cynical anglers who get promised ‘prod Y' will catch you bigger & more fish than 'product x' did a few days before - over and over again. Follow these rules and a brand generates trust & loyalty eg. Daiwa / Shimano / Korda / Sticky / Thinking Anglers / JAG etc.
OMC are nowhere near this, they've brought an ill conceived, dangerous, ethically questionable piece of plastic out that even fails in its own demo films - it's not even fit for purpose (use of pva tape on a cast).
Tbh, all they had to do was bring out some well designed goretex, breathable jackets for a decent price, a 'stay sharp' hook (after 10 fish) or a catty modelled on a black widow with a range of 100m that doesn't snap.
I watched Dave Lane look at different hooks, line, bivvies, bags etc. and genuinely develop considered items of tackle that were ‘better quality, more durable, more effective - 360 hook etc.' That's product development - it's not asking a plumber for a self hooking screw plug.
Imagine if it worked....was not a weed / net anchor or ethically questionable, if it was concealed inside an in-line lead and was 100% efficient.
A more considered headline / intro would be, “They'll still get away with it...but not often.”
OMC's approach would be more “Give em some stick, get twiggy with it.”
Because of Ali's presence on ITV and exposure across the fishing media, OMC are using this as leverage for distribution, awareness and sales - but it's PR not Marketing.
We're lucky in Holland, really lucky, club waters and river fed lakes with unknown stocks - not ‘rainbow trout' style day tickets offering instant gratification with a 'catch at all costs' generation posting pasties on the gram to a grime soundtrack.
F-that, f-baitboats, f-gravel swims, f-onsite cafes, f-carp with damaged mouths, f-10yr waiting lists, f-buckets behind the swim and f-the tragic twig.
In reply to Post #1004
May have been said before, but none else think Marc Cunningham saw this coming?
Carpers rig = magic twig
BMC = OMC
🤔
May have been said before, but none else think Marc Cunningham saw this coming?
Carpers rig = magic twig
BMC = OMC
🤔
In reply to Post #1005
I think you've been smoking too much wakky bakky mate
I think you've been smoking too much wakky bakky mate
In reply to Post #1004
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In reply to Post #976
Echo this statement - my local AD (Cov) yesterday had sold out and when asked the chap confirmed that they have been 'flying out of the doors' . . . reality is in this area most syndicate/members lakes have banned them so the targeted day ticket target audience will continue to destroy the already destroyed mouths from those overstocked puddles regardless . . .
Echo this statement - my local AD (Cov) yesterday had sold out and when asked the chap confirmed that they have been 'flying out of the doors' . . . reality is in this area most syndicate/members lakes have banned them so the targeted day ticket target audience will continue to destroy the already destroyed mouths from those overstocked puddles regardless . . .
In reply to Post #1000
To be fair... those 4 posts are the most interesting in this thread for a while.. ...
To be fair... those 4 posts are the most interesting in this thread for a while.. ...
In reply to Post #1009
In reply to Post #1008
Time for Barbless Hook only rule then?
The only good thing that could come from this product.
Time for Barbless Hook only rule then?
The only good thing that could come from this product.
In reply to Post #1004
Marketing isn't screaming from the rooftops (bankside/boat) that something is a ‘game changer'
I agree with you but that's what put Korda on the scene when he was there, gob ***** front man selling to the sheep. Everything don't seem so Pukka now
Marketing isn't screaming from the rooftops (bankside/boat) that something is a ‘game changer'
I agree with you but that's what put Korda on the scene when he was there, gob ***** front man selling to the sheep. Everything don't seem so Pukka now
In reply to Post #1000
and there was going to be a prize too
and there was going to be a prize too
In reply to Post #1013
Let me guess...
A game changing device for carp anglers....?
Let me guess...
A game changing device for carp anglers....?
I'm amazed it got this far to be honest .
Some of the comments on here are absolute comedy gold .
And some peeps really need to chill otherwise they will end up with a coronary .
Some of the comments on here are absolute comedy gold .
And some peeps really need to chill otherwise they will end up with a coronary .
In reply to Post #1015
Deaf, strangely, you seem the most agitated without actually saying anything of substance.
...typed whilst whiling away another night time blank 😄
Deaf, strangely, you seem the most agitated without actually saying anything of substance.
...typed whilst whiling away another night time blank 😄
In reply to Post #1014
i wouldnt have been so cruel to do that
i wouldnt have been so cruel to do that
In reply to Post #1015
And yet here you are.
And yet here you are.
In reply to Post #1018
AGAIN
AGAIN
In reply to Post #1005
I'll have to finish reading them all to find out. A few pages of Vol. VII to go, before Black Mirror, Vol. 2's.
I'll have to finish reading them all to find out. A few pages of Vol. VII to go, before Black Mirror, Vol. 2's.
In reply to Post #1015
Kind of ironic coming from someone who's prone to the odd breakdown or ten.
Kind of ironic coming from someone who's prone to the odd breakdown or ten.
In reply to Post #1020
Thanks for the reminder
I got the newest one through when it came out
I'll have to take that on holiday with me
Thanks for the reminder
I got the newest one through when it came out
I'll have to take that on holiday with me
In reply to Post #1022
For so many sold catch reports are thin on the ground , well thinner compared to waters and clubs banning it 🤔
For so many sold catch reports are thin on the ground , well thinner compared to waters and clubs banning it 🤔
In reply to Post #1023
Probably something to do with the type of people who are buying them.
Probably something to do with the type of people who are buying them.
In reply to Post #1023
Have you seen the recent pics on FB from Hayton Lakes (no idea where that is) with them catching a carp that was already trailing a twig rig with a load of weed balled around it. Needless to say they've now banned it and advised anyone using it will get a lifetime ban. Yet another poor image, I'm shocked they are still being sold
Have you seen the recent pics on FB from Hayton Lakes (no idea where that is) with them catching a carp that was already trailing a twig rig with a load of weed balled around it. Needless to say they've now banned it and advised anyone using it will get a lifetime ban. Yet another poor image, I'm shocked they are still being sold
In reply to Post #1025
Check out his latest Instagram post, about the haters.
He's getting on my tits now...
Check out his latest Instagram post, about the haters.
He's getting on my tits now...
In reply to Post #1025
Just seen the post. The fishes mouth had been badly damaged per the captor. FFS!
Just seen the post. The fishes mouth had been badly damaged per the captor. FFS!
In reply to Post #1025
Like all companies OMC after the £££££££££££££££££££££££££
Like all companies OMC after the £££££££££££££££££££££££££
As mentioned repeatedly...this was inevitable and now we all know where to look for a key reason why this has happened.
The brand behind it are on absolutely dangerous ice.
The brand behind it are on absolutely dangerous ice.
In reply to Post #1028
Lol people are putting up those photos of tethered fish in his comments on fb and he is deleting them non stop... Somebody will have a bussy day lol
Lol people are putting up those photos of tethered fish in his comments on fb and he is deleting them non stop... Somebody will have a bussy day lol
In reply to Post #1004
Love this post, but the last part, absolute gem -
and f-the tragic twig
Love this post, but the last part, absolute gem -
and f-the tragic twig
In reply to Post #1025
Ali is going to be on the phone 24/7 and running around putting out fires with his amazing pr skills.
Despiration
Ali is going to be on the phone 24/7 and running around putting out fires with his amazing pr skills.
Despiration
In reply to Post #1032
From what I've been told (I don't follow him or OMC as I have no interest in either so needs to be 2nd hand info), he is simply deleting and blocking people rather than responding now. Have a few friends who have been blocked today as a result of commenting on the recent pics
From what I've been told (I don't follow him or OMC as I have no interest in either so needs to be 2nd hand info), he is simply deleting and blocking people rather than responding now. Have a few friends who have been blocked today as a result of commenting on the recent pics
Prince Albert have now announced its banned on ALL waters
In reply to Post #1025
They deleted photos now after ali called them...
They deleted photos now after ali called them...
In reply to Post #1028
"Like all companies OMC after the £££££££££££££££££££££££££"
That is generally the purpose of most businesses, to make money
"Like all companies OMC after the £££££££££££££££££££££££££"
That is generally the purpose of most businesses, to make money
In reply to Post #1035
shocking. A lot of sell outs in angling. Even carpology are pushing other OMC products without stating it's paid partnership content on socials.
The general consensus amongst anglers, fisheries and even some tackle shops is that it needs binning, hopefully it'll be enough to push the product in to a grave. It also helps the EA have stated it IS banned in the Thames Valley catchment due to it falling foul of the bylaw. Huge area covering oxfordshire, berkshire, the CV and surrounding areas.
shocking. A lot of sell outs in angling. Even carpology are pushing other OMC products without stating it's paid partnership content on socials.
The general consensus amongst anglers, fisheries and even some tackle shops is that it needs binning, hopefully it'll be enough to push the product in to a grave. It also helps the EA have stated it IS banned in the Thames Valley catchment due to it falling foul of the bylaw. Huge area covering oxfordshire, berkshire, the CV and surrounding areas.
In reply to Post #1037
The carpology video on youtube was an obvious PR exercise.
That's actually wound me up that the lake owner has done a 360. I wonder what some of their customers are thinking, basically being told they no matter what happens, it's their fault.
The carpology video on youtube was an obvious PR exercise.
That's actually wound me up that the lake owner has done a 360. I wonder what some of their customers are thinking, basically being told they no matter what happens, it's their fault.
In reply to Post #1033
No interest in OMC, which is obviously why you keep posting about it
No interest in OMC, which is obviously why you keep posting about it
In reply to Post #1040
He absolutely bottled it.
He absolutely bottled it.
In reply to Post #1039
Think these are my 1st comments on the thread. I care nothing about the brand, but the existence of this product does concern me
Think these are my 1st comments on the thread. I care nothing about the brand, but the existence of this product does concern me
In reply to Post #1040
WTF? I can't believe even with this evidence Ali has managed to blame it on the angler and has somehow sweet talked this guy into allowing it on his lake again... crazy!
WTF? I can't believe even with this evidence Ali has managed to blame it on the angler and has somehow sweet talked this guy into allowing it on his lake again... crazy!
In reply to Post #1043
I simply don't understand why the fishery owner would u turn.
What is there "to bottle"? He's seen a fish, attached to this mini anchor and it balled in weed. That's it, end of story.
Its clearly not going to end here either. The aesthetic means this will be regular and repeated. I really don't see a natural way out for this device.
I simply don't understand why the fishery owner would u turn.
What is there "to bottle"? He's seen a fish, attached to this mini anchor and it balled in weed. That's it, end of story.
Its clearly not going to end here either. The aesthetic means this will be regular and repeated. I really don't see a natural way out for this device.
In reply to Post #1044
Owner must want the ticket money compared to the odd fish death , even the most experienced angler can crack off , less so than newbies, but it's newbies buying this item and certain lakes attracting them .
Owner must want the ticket money compared to the odd fish death , even the most experienced angler can crack off , less so than newbies, but it's newbies buying this item and certain lakes attracting them .
Perhaps the next post from Hayton Lakes will contain the words “ a great addition to any anglers tackle box”.
Smells of fish to me
Smells of fish to me
In reply to Post #1046
And to quote the angler who retrieved the fish, the mouth was badly damaged thanks to the twig. Rather than recall the product Ali has smooth talked the owner. OMC is a disgrace.
And to quote the angler who retrieved the fish, the mouth was badly damaged thanks to the twig. Rather than recall the product Ali has smooth talked the owner. OMC is a disgrace.
In reply to Post #1047
As is the fishery for being able to be talked round. Probably got promised a video on there or some sort of promotion in return.
Ali really has dug his hole, climbed in and is slowly burying himself. The image he may have had is long gone and it's makes sense why he went his own way. Guy thought he was gods gift to angling, it must hurt realising he isn't.
As is the fishery for being able to be talked round. Probably got promised a video on there or some sort of promotion in return.
Ali really has dug his hole, climbed in and is slowly burying himself. The image he may have had is long gone and it's makes sense why he went his own way. Guy thought he was gods gift to angling, it must hurt realising he isn't.
In reply to Post #1048
and have you seen the latest "back in stock" underwater videos on Ali's instagram? 3 different fish picking up the rig and none of the twigs actually trigger in the video, the fish is clearly hooked from hitting the lead, lead is well and truly lifted and then the fish bolts off, meanwhile the twig is still not activated... sooooo even the people who are using it under Ali's instructions are not using a lead big enough so that the twig is triggered before the lead is lifted.... I guess these people are perhaps the sort of person that Ali is blaming for not using it correctly??? just shows what a gimmick this piece of crap really is and how it is definitely not needed and just causes a hazard to the fish...
and have you seen the latest "back in stock" underwater videos on Ali's instagram? 3 different fish picking up the rig and none of the twigs actually trigger in the video, the fish is clearly hooked from hitting the lead, lead is well and truly lifted and then the fish bolts off, meanwhile the twig is still not activated... sooooo even the people who are using it under Ali's instructions are not using a lead big enough so that the twig is triggered before the lead is lifted.... I guess these people are perhaps the sort of person that Ali is blaming for not using it correctly??? just shows what a gimmick this piece of crap really is and how it is definitely not needed and just causes a hazard to the fish...
In reply to Post #1049
He's dug his hole. He's now sat in it. This story has a bad ending.
He's dug his hole. He's now sat in it. This story has a bad ending.
In reply to Post #1050
Will it though,I reckon OMC will be fine even after this
Will it though,I reckon OMC will be fine even after this
In reply to Post #1051
I want to say "I hope that the magic twig dies" but after all the defending, the lack of though that went into the product, the lack of fish safety that Ali has, the way he has dealt with people who are questioning it and the clear back handers he's giving people to allow it or big it up I actually hope OMC goes under.. I for certain will never buy any of their stuff after this....
I want to say "I hope that the magic twig dies" but after all the defending, the lack of though that went into the product, the lack of fish safety that Ali has, the way he has dealt with people who are questioning it and the clear back handers he's giving people to allow it or big it up I actually hope OMC goes under.. I for certain will never buy any of their stuff after this....
In reply to Post #1051
Yes they will survive , when you blunderbuss us with loads of " the best on the market" some will be fine . Iv said all along that I look at all company's products , tbh all OMC is just average stuff called a silly name . Curve , chod , wide gape , coated hooklengths , aligners , it goes on but nothing other than the twig that you can't get from multiple carp orientated people. When he started up I was interested to see how he would just not copy Korda but more or less has , other than clothing and tbh korda does that fine , so I was a bit disappointed.
Tbh ND have pushed innovation more .
Yes they will survive , when you blunderbuss us with loads of " the best on the market" some will be fine . Iv said all along that I look at all company's products , tbh all OMC is just average stuff called a silly name . Curve , chod , wide gape , coated hooklengths , aligners , it goes on but nothing other than the twig that you can't get from multiple carp orientated people. When he started up I was interested to see how he would just not copy Korda but more or less has , other than clothing and tbh korda does that fine , so I was a bit disappointed.
Tbh ND have pushed innovation more .
In reply to Post #1053
Maybe, if these are failing so often, we should be asking what this new hook pttern is as that seems to be the thing doing the do
Maybe, if these are failing so often, we should be asking what this new hook pttern is as that seems to be the thing doing the do
In reply to Post #1054
The Lock hook I think its called
The Lock hook I think its called
In reply to Post #1055
Weird coincidence I actually looked at this water as may be staying in the area with the grandkids and their runs water may have been handy , well thats a miss .
Weird coincidence I actually looked at this water as may be staying in the area with the grandkids and their runs water may have been handy , well thats a miss .
In reply to Post #1051
only because of the backing by his sugar daddy!!!!
Any credibility that omc were gaining has long gone, Any person of sane mind and basic fishing knowledge can see its flaws,the danger it poses and the risks to fishes health not only in normal use,but in the event of a crack off or line parting......Not only that but the fish has to be hooked for the device to work and activate the twig.
The target market for omc is the newbie,the sheep,the hamidi omc fanboy, the "sign me cap for me please ali" type...unfortunately he's now implying that these type don't have the knowledge or experience to use the contraption, so the very people that will be buying it and using it are the same very people that shouldn't be using it according to hamidi. The blokes constantly moving the goal posts,its everyone else's fault except his or his design team or testing team.....the blokes a dick and this whole shower of **** has confirmed what I already thought
only because of the backing by his sugar daddy!!!!
Any credibility that omc were gaining has long gone, Any person of sane mind and basic fishing knowledge can see its flaws,the danger it poses and the risks to fishes health not only in normal use,but in the event of a crack off or line parting......Not only that but the fish has to be hooked for the device to work and activate the twig.
The target market for omc is the newbie,the sheep,the hamidi omc fanboy, the "sign me cap for me please ali" type...unfortunately he's now implying that these type don't have the knowledge or experience to use the contraption, so the very people that will be buying it and using it are the same very people that shouldn't be using it according to hamidi. The blokes constantly moving the goal posts,its everyone else's fault except his or his design team or testing team.....the blokes a dick and this whole shower of **** has confirmed what I already thought
I saw, with great amusement I have to say, that someone mentioned OMC and BMC in this thread and hinted at a prophetic correlation between the two. BMC - Black Mirror Cult - was the opening book in Volume 2 of The Syndicate Series which was published in 2012. In the book the BMC were an ethical carping organisation dead set against the use of any carp caught being used in a commercial manner to help sell or promote any carp orientated merchandise. Of course, being a Syndicate book, not everything was as it appeared...! At the time of writing it in 2011, nearly ten years had passed since The Syndicates Part VII and I felt the most pressing subject I could satirize would be commercialism within the carping world. Now I have to say the 'Magic Twig' row has almost made that book look understated and whatever the opposite of far fetched might be. Personally, I've nothing against Ali, but to me the driving force behind the twig is, sadly, a desperate attempt to give OMC a 'unique' product to single themselves out against all the other identikit end tackle brands. The product is clearly more dangerous to use than other types of rigs and what it actually is supposed to do is also highly dubious. As many others have stated, once the twig is detonated the job has already been done because the force required to do so can only be supplied by an already hooked fish. Add into the equation the need to PVA the thing every time to you cast out in order to stop it prematurely going off , the added cost and the over complication it causes then you really do have a pointless product. The funny thing is, it won't stop you catching and I can see many people falling for the fact that a fired twig has 'done the business' when in reality it hasn't. 'In spite of not because of', as the old expression goes.
All that said, my main beef is that if things carry on like this, I'm going to be well out of business because literally you couldn't make it up .
Just my opinion for what it's worth everybody
, the added cost and the over complication it causes then you really do have a pointless product. The funny thing is, it won't stop you catching and I can see many people falling for the fact that a fired twig has 'done the business' when in reality it hasn't. 'In spite of not because of', as the old expression goes. All that said, my main beef is that if things carry on like this, I'm going to be well out of business because literally you couldn't make it up
.Just my opinion for what it's worth everybody
In reply to Post #1058
When's the next book due Mark?
When's the next book due Mark?
In reply to Post #1058
It was the way that OMC is seen as one big happy carp loving family, just here to help you catch fish. Just join our social media and our poster boys will give all the likes to any post you put on. And here's our gift to you - the answer to Luke the Christian Carpers prayers - a rig so amazing you'll never fail. What a gift (available in two types, in 3 weights and you'll need two packets of each for your 3 rods. God bless, we're not in it for the money btw). Even has a pic of a chunk caught on the rig by one of the poster boys.
Then turns out they don't really care about the hallowed carps safety. And anyone that doesn't comply is thrown out/blocked from the exulted leaders page.
And don't forget the shady money man in the background, wanting a return on his investment....
You deffo have a touch of the Agnes Nutter about you Mark.....
It was the way that OMC is seen as one big happy carp loving family, just here to help you catch fish. Just join our social media and our poster boys will give all the likes to any post you put on. And here's our gift to you - the answer to Luke the Christian Carpers prayers - a rig so amazing you'll never fail. What a gift (available in two types, in 3 weights and you'll need two packets of each for your 3 rods. God bless, we're not in it for the money btw). Even has a pic of a chunk caught on the rig by one of the poster boys.
Then turns out they don't really care about the hallowed carps safety. And anyone that doesn't comply is thrown out/blocked from the exulted leaders page.
And don't forget the shady money man in the background, wanting a return on his investment....
You deffo have a touch of the Agnes Nutter about you Mark.....
In reply to Post #1059
Won't be for a while tbh. It's a huge commitment writing around 100,000 words and The Italian's Job was published less than a year ago. I keep toying with the notion of an audio book version of The Syndicate Series because my choices have recently been widened thanks to Google Books offering free AI narration. Going to gave a play with it over the winter and see if it's any good
Won't be for a while tbh. It's a huge commitment writing around 100,000 words and The Italian's Job was published less than a year ago. I keep toying with the notion of an audio book version of The Syndicate Series because my choices have recently been widened thanks to Google Books offering free AI narration. Going to gave a play with it over the winter and see if it's any good
In reply to Post #1060
It's all coincidence... or is it? Like the Good Omens reference 😊
It's all coincidence... or is it? Like the Good Omens reference 😊
In reply to Post #1061
You need to punt the whole lot to Guy Ritchie. Imagine the film he could make of the books.
Into his Field Sports, too.
Could Vinnie Jones, make the ideal Rambo?
You need to punt the whole lot to Guy Ritchie. Imagine the film he could make of the books.
Into his Field Sports, too.
Could Vinnie Jones, make the ideal Rambo?
In reply to Post #1061
I have thought for some time that your tales would work as audio books very well. I nominate Paul Whitehouse as narrator, he could do all the parts.
I have thought for some time that your tales would work as audio books very well. I nominate Paul Whitehouse as narrator, he could do all the parts.
In reply to Post #1064
I think omc are playing it like José Mourinho , building an us against them situation , shifting blame etc . Very disappointed in fishery owners blatently seeing a problem then backtracking looking a fool .
I think omc are playing it like José Mourinho , building an us against them situation , shifting blame etc . Very disappointed in fishery owners blatently seeing a problem then backtracking looking a fool .
In reply to Post #1065
Some people on here outraged by this product and the companies ethics, yet still promoting their products?
Some people on here outraged by this product and the companies ethics, yet still promoting their products?
In reply to Post #1066
Promoting what 🤔
Promoting what 🤔
In reply to Post #1067
Putty
Putty
In reply to Post #1068
didn't realise putty put carps health in danger?? this whole.**** show has taken a whole different twist since I bought the tub of putty and I won't on principle now buy any omc product or buy anything from angling direct or any other retailer that actively promotes and pushes the death rig
didn't realise putty put carps health in danger?? this whole.**** show has taken a whole different twist since I bought the tub of putty and I won't on principle now buy any omc product or buy anything from angling direct or any other retailer that actively promotes and pushes the death rig
In reply to Post #1068
surely lead is far more of an impact than tiny bits of putty with the amount of leads people "drop"
surely lead is far more of an impact than tiny bits of putty with the amount of leads people "drop"
In reply to Post #1070
That was a reply to a question, about my original point
That was a reply to a question, about my original point
In reply to Post #1071
you mentioned putty, i may have mis interpreted you meaning
you mentioned putty, i may have mis interpreted you meaning
Banned on Ringwood waters
Now banned on Bayeswater and Gary isn't one for having too many rules.
In reply to Post #1073
And Christchurch AC waters too
And Christchurch AC waters too
In reply to Post #1076
One of their lakes(lakeside)I think has a 40 in it if it's still alive
One of their lakes(lakeside)I think has a 40 in it if it's still alive
I was worried I was being too much of a traditionalist I'm not liking this product, but this shows me nope there are thankfully alot of anglers who still prefer the carp to have a chance to make us look silly.
However the bloody thing doesn't actually work well most of the vids and the package itself show it not set off, but more importantly I think someone mentioned the baitworks pod so I listened and mark hits the nail on the head if you get cut off that contraption will equal a dead carp if the lake is snaggy or weedy
I'm against banning things for the sake of it but this product is the typical fish at all costs that Ali is trying to market his company for and I'm glad it's getting banned left right and centre kinda says it all that one of the few allowing it is RH fisheries and their pellet force feeding mantra means they don't mind if one of their big uns gets tethered will just force feed a load more and a local to me that is very much that fish at all cost type place are allowing it
However the bloody thing doesn't actually work well most of the vids and the package itself show it not set off, but more importantly I think someone mentioned the baitworks pod so I listened and mark hits the nail on the head if you get cut off that contraption will equal a dead carp if the lake is snaggy or weedy
I'm against banning things for the sake of it but this product is the typical fish at all costs that Ali is trying to market his company for and I'm glad it's getting banned left right and centre kinda says it all that one of the few allowing it is RH fisheries and their pellet force feeding mantra means they don't mind if one of their big uns gets tethered will just force feed a load more and a local to me that is very much that fish at all cost type place are allowing it
In reply to Post #1078
Fortunately it's such a dire product that it won't be too popular. Read on Facebook a lad saying it had taken 5 wraps off his cast it was so big and cumbersome. Made me think there will be a lot of crack offs due to people forcing the casts.
Genuinely surprised they have not recalled it
Fortunately it's such a dire product that it won't be too popular. Read on Facebook a lad saying it had taken 5 wraps off his cast it was so big and cumbersome. Made me think there will be a lot of crack offs due to people forcing the casts.
Genuinely surprised they have not recalled it
In reply to Post #1079
To recall it he would have to finally admit he was wrong im not sure his ego could take that after the massive hole he has dug himself defending the product and pressure he has put on people.
I fully believe along with many others that this is a death rig that will kill fish a lot of us have already seen pics of the fish trailing the twig along with a ball of weed, and ali's response to that!
To recall it he would have to finally admit he was wrong im not sure his ego could take that after the massive hole he has dug himself defending the product and pressure he has put on people.
I fully believe along with many others that this is a death rig that will kill fish a lot of us have already seen pics of the fish trailing the twig along with a ball of weed, and ali's response to that!
In reply to Post #1080
Most of his disciples fish weed free muddy holes. So its not a problem
Most of his disciples fish weed free muddy holes. So its not a problem
In reply to Post #1081
I told him this on the live video link... speachless
I told him this on the live video link... speachless
In reply to Post #1079
I think recalling it would be a huge problem for OMC most of their products up to now don't require massive outlays on tooling, for that product they will have spent a truckload on tooling to produce it, and as others have pointed out Ali's ego won't allow it anyway, can see his ego rampant when he called the hundreds of lake owners and managers who have banned it naive, Ali needs to learn some hubris, I suspect the EA may look at the Thames bye law for this thing and make it country wide
I think recalling it would be a huge problem for OMC most of their products up to now don't require massive outlays on tooling, for that product they will have spent a truckload on tooling to produce it, and as others have pointed out Ali's ego won't allow it anyway, can see his ego rampant when he called the hundreds of lake owners and managers who have banned it naive, Ali needs to learn some hubris, I suspect the EA may look at the Thames bye law for this thing and make it country wide
In reply to Post #1083
A real business man would let it drift out of the news to stop it damaging omc , promote other game changers , and let it go out of production with " manufacturing problems " . Once you have built up a siege situation with a blind following it's hard to stop . Hard situation for OMC but shows korda dodged a bullet with him as he was a bit grinding with them . He has done some good stuff , not breaking the arms live on Facebook was a killer , but his ego is now stuck having to defend.
A real business man would let it drift out of the news to stop it damaging omc , promote other game changers , and let it go out of production with " manufacturing problems " . Once you have built up a siege situation with a blind following it's hard to stop . Hard situation for OMC but shows korda dodged a bullet with him as he was a bit grinding with them . He has done some good stuff , not breaking the arms live on Facebook was a killer , but his ego is now stuck having to defend.
In reply to Post #1084
like you say ,he could of let his run its course, not pushed it and the **** show would have died down,those that wanted or seen the need to use it would have on the few waters allowing it...
The problem he has is the Grand fishing adventure is heavily based around this contraption, Isn't he having a premier at a London cinema......The blokes a fame thirsty parasite funded by a sugar daddy that designs **** angling clothes.
like you say ,he could of let his run its course, not pushed it and the **** show would have died down,those that wanted or seen the need to use it would have on the few waters allowing it...
The problem he has is the Grand fishing adventure is heavily based around this contraption, Isn't he having a premier at a London cinema......The blokes a fame thirsty parasite funded by a sugar daddy that designs **** angling clothes.
In reply to Post #1085
''The blokes a fame thirsty parasite funded by a sugar daddy that designs **** angling clothes.''
And the winning quote goes to......
''The blokes a fame thirsty parasite funded by a sugar daddy that designs **** angling clothes.''
And the winning quote goes to......
We can look at all the reasons why Ali hasnt taken it off the market but the bottom line is he has done unrepairable damage to his own reputation and angling in general in continueing down this ridiculous denial when everyone bar a handful of clowns with vested interests have all agreed its a death/mouth tearing contraption that has no place in angling whatsoever and theres no way a clever man like him does not know this. But instead he has chosen the ignore and blame game and appealed to anglers who know no better.... shame on him.
In reply to Post #1087
He's getting a bit of a kicking the the comments of the latest OMC vid on the tube.
He's getting a bit of a kicking the the comments of the latest OMC vid on the tube.
In reply to Post #1088
Probably should be reporting it to get it taken down and demonitised.
Probably should be reporting it to get it taken down and demonitised.
I've legitimately had a nightmare where I was kidnapped and forced to fish for bloated pet carp at Grenville Lake using a magic twig - I don't think fishing gets any worse than that
In reply to Post #1090
You know the place where there are all these rules for the fee paying members that are now searching for baitboats for sale pages 😜
You know the place where there are all these rules for the fee paying members that are now searching for baitboats for sale pages 😜
In reply to Post #1088
It's like a really sleazy customer visiting the ultimate UK carp brothel!
In fact, that would have been a good title for the video!
It's like a really sleazy customer visiting the ultimate UK carp brothel!
In fact, that would have been a good title for the video!
In reply to Post #1088
It will be interesting to see if he attends any of the shows next year, as I feel this just isn't going away.
If they showcase the rig on ITV, I don't think it's going to the sport any favours. Personally I think we should be thinking of ways we can get it pulled from the shelves, because Mr ego isn't going to.
It will be interesting to see if he attends any of the shows next year, as I feel this just isn't going away.
If they showcase the rig on ITV, I don't think it's going to the sport any favours. Personally I think we should be thinking of ways we can get it pulled from the shelves, because Mr ego isn't going to.
In reply to Post #1093
So he goes to a English super water that has strict rules for members that are laying out a considerable amount of money to fish there , uses a baitboat 🤔 , then makes a film showcasing his "skills" , and all iv herd is how the owner of Grenville runs a tight ship , how on earth did he and his fishery get caught up in this 🤔
So he goes to a English super water that has strict rules for members that are laying out a considerable amount of money to fish there , uses a baitboat 🤔 , then makes a film showcasing his "skills" , and all iv herd is how the owner of Grenville runs a tight ship , how on earth did he and his fishery get caught up in this 🤔
In reply to Post #1094
££££
££££
In reply to Post #1090
"bloated pet Carp at Grenville"
You obviously know nothing about the venue then....completely understand all the anti-twig stuff though...
"bloated pet Carp at Grenville"
You obviously know nothing about the venue then....completely understand all the anti-twig stuff though...
One of the big issues here is the fact he's target audience is the inexperienced day ticket angler who doesn't know there arse from there elbow. When the biggest and best clubs and day tickets in the country are banning it because it's not safe as well as no decent anglers coming out in support you know the product itself is unsafe. He deletes all comments that talk against it or have pictures of it being unsafe creating an eco chamber of arse lickers and noddys lapping it up.
We walk a fine line with the do gooders as it is and I can honestly say this tragic twig will result in more fish deaths than ever it's only going paint all us anglers with the same brush. It needs to be taken off the shelves but the likes of AD won't because it sells.
Think this is a slippery slope if not addressed sooner rather than later. Especially with it being showcased on t.v.
We walk a fine line with the do gooders as it is and I can honestly say this tragic twig will result in more fish deaths than ever it's only going paint all us anglers with the same brush. It needs to be taken off the shelves but the likes of AD won't because it sells.
Think this is a slippery slope if not addressed sooner rather than later. Especially with it being showcased on t.v.
In reply to Post #1095
I just can't see why the "respected" owner of Grenville would get involved , even for money .
As Indiana Jones said " fortune and Glory " 😅😅
I just can't see why the "respected" owner of Grenville would get involved , even for money .
As Indiana Jones said " fortune and Glory " 😅😅
In reply to Post #1096
Totally agree. I know lads who have fished there. Could be moody at times but get it right and one heck of a reault is achievable.
From what I hear with the helping hands that were given prior to and during this session, a result was a formality!
Totally agree. I know lads who have fished there. Could be moody at times but get it right and one heck of a reault is achievable.
From what I hear with the helping hands that were given prior to and during this session, a result was a formality!
In reply to Post #1100
Grenville, contrary to what some would have you believe, is not an easy water at all. Huge head of fish granted but blanks are common.
Believe it or not, the members are on the whole very relaxed about the "filming" weeks, which happen after the water has closed for its usual pre-spawning break. No members fish during these periods and the companies that do, (OMC, DNA, Fox etc) pay a premium for the privilege. Yes to a certain degree "normal" rules do not apply but not to the extent that the owner would allow anything to affect fish welfare.
Regarding Grenville and the Twig I can't comment further than it can be a very weedy water but the owner would not put anything or anyone above the health of his fish.
Grenville, contrary to what some would have you believe, is not an easy water at all. Huge head of fish granted but blanks are common.
Believe it or not, the members are on the whole very relaxed about the "filming" weeks, which happen after the water has closed for its usual pre-spawning break. No members fish during these periods and the companies that do, (OMC, DNA, Fox etc) pay a premium for the privilege. Yes to a certain degree "normal" rules do not apply but not to the extent that the owner would allow anything to affect fish welfare.
Regarding Grenville and the Twig I can't comment further than it can be a very weedy water but the owner would not put anything or anyone above the health of his fish.
In reply to Post #1101
If he permitted "that device" on there (I'm certainly not giving the brand a click on the video), then the owner of the lake clearly didn't exercise a sensible safe protocol in the way that you imply he 'must have' by virtue of his perceived fish care sensibilities.
No rational angler/lake owner can look at a permanently attached, "plastic anchor" with splaying arms and think its a safe item to chuck in one's lake.
If he permitted "that device" on there (I'm certainly not giving the brand a click on the video), then the owner of the lake clearly didn't exercise a sensible safe protocol in the way that you imply he 'must have' by virtue of his perceived fish care sensibilities.
No rational angler/lake owner can look at a permanently attached, "plastic anchor" with splaying arms and think its a safe item to chuck in one's lake.
In reply to Post #1102
Understand your point entirely. I'm not implying anything and am certainly not the owners spokesman, far from it, just saying what i know about the chap and his lake.
Understand your point entirely. I'm not implying anything and am certainly not the owners spokesman, far from it, just saying what i know about the chap and his lake.
In reply to Post #1103
Understood. And I have. Seems fairly clear to me.
Understood. And I have. Seems fairly clear to me.
In reply to Post #1102
I've decided to make my own version on the cheap. Simply obtain some large rawl plugs and permanently attach to lead and hooklink. This version has none the advantages of the original, (there are none to have), but it absolutely has the same disadvantages, and consequent potential lethality. It also makes dangerous fishing (not angling, clearly) considerably cheaper allowing more cash to be spent on overpriced hats. Winner winner......
I think he has gone so far down this cul de sac now that he can't change direction.
I've decided to make my own version on the cheap. Simply obtain some large rawl plugs and permanently attach to lead and hooklink. This version has none the advantages of the original, (there are none to have), but it absolutely has the same disadvantages, and consequent potential lethality. It also makes dangerous fishing (not angling, clearly) considerably cheaper allowing more cash to be spent on overpriced hats. Winner winner......
I think he has gone so far down this cul de sac now that he can't change direction.
In reply to Post #1103
Apologies, I'll retract the word "pet" and replace it with the phrase "synthetically bloated mud pigs".
Apologies, I'll retract the word "pet" and replace it with the phrase "synthetically bloated mud pigs".
In reply to Post #1106
Thus demonstrating your ignorance even further...
Thus demonstrating your ignorance even further...
In reply to Post #1101
Owner probably knows full well his members wouldnt use it anyway. Id imagine all members are vetted before being accepted to ensure they aint noddys. Id be very suprised if experienced/decent anglers would go anywhere near the twig.
Similar to when lakes ban or allow leadcore for instance. if you trust your anglers are all responsible then its usually allowed. (Im not comparing the twig to leadcore btw, just an example)
Owner probably knows full well his members wouldnt use it anyway. Id imagine all members are vetted before being accepted to ensure they aint noddys. Id be very suprised if experienced/decent anglers would go anywhere near the twig.
Similar to when lakes ban or allow leadcore for instance. if you trust your anglers are all responsible then its usually allowed. (Im not comparing the twig to leadcore btw, just an example)
In reply to Post #1108
Ah , but his silence is not a good look is it 🤔
Ah , but his silence is not a good look is it 🤔
The Warren in Essex has banned it
so basically the only people allowin it are fisheries that are mates with hamidi, fisheries that have shops onsite that sell omc stuff,ones he's phoned up and begged for it to be allowed and muddy **** holes where the owners don't give a ****
In reply to Post #1101
The fact he's allowing the twig to be used disproves your comment about fish welfare in one fell swoop. He has put hob knobbing it with high profile Hamidi above fish welfare.
The fact he's allowing the twig to be used disproves your comment about fish welfare in one fell swoop. He has put hob knobbing it with high profile Hamidi above fish welfare.
In reply to Post #1112
Totally agree Andy. Anyone that permits the use of that device has motives other than fish safety at the forefront.
Totally agree Andy. Anyone that permits the use of that device has motives other than fish safety at the forefront.
In reply to Post #1113
Agree , those allowing it are not doing so for the right reasons, and considering Grenville has rules that were meant to protect his stock it looks like fame , glory , and fortune has overcome them 🤔
Agree , those allowing it are not doing so for the right reasons, and considering Grenville has rules that were meant to protect his stock it looks like fame , glory , and fortune has overcome them 🤔
OMG Please make it stop. Everyone's got a price so stop playing holier than thou... Money talks and these companies pay through the nose to fish that place during closures. the kind of money Grenville has had off Hamidi, I'm surprised he didn't throw in his wife.
In reply to Post #1112
I can understand how you may come to that solution.
Fact is the owner treats his fish like his Children so maybe, as he witnessed all of the fish Hamidi landed during his last visit to the lake, he has seen enough to be assured it is as safe as any other piece of end tackle we use, after-all that is what Hamidi keeps on preaching.
Not defending anything or anyone here, just playing Devils advocate.
I can understand how you may come to that solution.
Fact is the owner treats his fish like his Children so maybe, as he witnessed all of the fish Hamidi landed during his last visit to the lake, he has seen enough to be assured it is as safe as any other piece of end tackle we use, after-all that is what Hamidi keeps on preaching.
Not defending anything or anyone here, just playing Devils advocate.
In reply to Post #1116
It sounds very much like you are defending Spod.
As stated previously to you, he cannot be treating his "fish like his children" if he's happy to permit tethers to be chucked into the playground where they are skipping and playing ball.
Hiding behind the devil's advocate position is simply that, you are hiding behind a phrase, nothing more.
It sounds very much like you are defending Spod.
As stated previously to you, he cannot be treating his "fish like his children" if he's happy to permit tethers to be chucked into the playground where they are skipping and playing ball.
Hiding behind the devil's advocate position is simply that, you are hiding behind a phrase, nothing more.
In reply to Post #1117
Out of your 48 posts made on this forum, 38 have been on this thread. You talked about "motives" earlier - what's yours?
Out of your 48 posts made on this forum, 38 have been on this thread. You talked about "motives" earlier - what's yours?
In reply to Post #1118
In this instance? To show the ABSOLUTE HORROR that this device is. Very clear to all isn't it? Or am I being too vague?
In this instance? To show the ABSOLUTE HORROR that this device is. Very clear to all isn't it? Or am I being too vague?
In reply to Post #1119
haha, no you're not being vague.
*Playing Devils Advocate* - should this thing be banned on waters without snags, weed etc?
Somewhere that it can't actually cause an issue? From what I can tell - having inspected them in the local tackle shop - they're going to be fine in weedless, snag free, featureless holes in the ground.
haha, no you're not being vague.
*Playing Devils Advocate* - should this thing be banned on waters without snags, weed etc?
Somewhere that it can't actually cause an issue? From what I can tell - having inspected them in the local tackle shop - they're going to be fine in weedless, snag free, featureless holes in the ground.
In reply to Post #1120
I cannot see a place for this in ANY venue. Weeds or otherwise.
Not that it needs repeating, but let's do that anyway...
1. It's fixed to the hook length, it's not configured to break away
2. It has the aesthetic of an anchor
3. Its arms splay in the direction of the hook, thus worst situation when being towed on crack off
4. Its plastic so there "forever" once broken off the main line
We have spent 20 years+, up until contemporary times configuring and creating rigs where the idea of fixing an item to the hook is an absolute no no. Never mind one with the attributes this device has.
Whatever the configuration of the lake is, I see no situation where the use of this is justifiable. If a carp takes one of these that are paired off the main line, on the lake bed, the animal's chances became very poor. Its dragging its little anchor for a long, long time. OR it becomes so desperate, that it tries to tear its mouth. But I expect its more likely to just tether and die.
I cannot see a place for this in ANY venue. Weeds or otherwise.
Not that it needs repeating, but let's do that anyway...
1. It's fixed to the hook length, it's not configured to break away
2. It has the aesthetic of an anchor
3. Its arms splay in the direction of the hook, thus worst situation when being towed on crack off
4. Its plastic so there "forever" once broken off the main line
We have spent 20 years+, up until contemporary times configuring and creating rigs where the idea of fixing an item to the hook is an absolute no no. Never mind one with the attributes this device has.
Whatever the configuration of the lake is, I see no situation where the use of this is justifiable. If a carp takes one of these that are paired off the main line, on the lake bed, the animal's chances became very poor. Its dragging its little anchor for a long, long time. OR it becomes so desperate, that it tries to tear its mouth. But I expect its more likely to just tether and die.
In reply to Post #1121
Well, there's not a "need" for a lot of things in carp fishing, so that's a moot point really.
Your points 1-4 could apply to lots of different bits and pieces that get attached to the end of our lines.
We've all seen rigs / set ups - made with what should be safe components - that are anything but safe, due to issues created by the user. There are many other items that have the potential to create death rigs - barbed hooks, leadcore + other leaders, loads of bits of metal all over hooklinks, etc. If this is really all about fish care, then those things (and probably loads of other things) should be banned on all waters too - unless you want to argue that it's the anglers responsibility to ensure they're using rigs and components are safe for any given situation (which I would agree with wholeheartedly). The same logic would apply to this thing too.
If a venue wants to ban it, that's down to them. However, this whole notion of a blanket ban for an item or bit of equipment that may cause issues in a specific scenario doesn't seem viable.
Well, there's not a "need" for a lot of things in carp fishing, so that's a moot point really.
Your points 1-4 could apply to lots of different bits and pieces that get attached to the end of our lines.
We've all seen rigs / set ups - made with what should be safe components - that are anything but safe, due to issues created by the user. There are many other items that have the potential to create death rigs - barbed hooks, leadcore + other leaders, loads of bits of metal all over hooklinks, etc. If this is really all about fish care, then those things (and probably loads of other things) should be banned on all waters too - unless you want to argue that it's the anglers responsibility to ensure they're using rigs and components are safe for any given situation (which I would agree with wholeheartedly). The same logic would apply to this thing too.
If a venue wants to ban it, that's down to them. However, this whole notion of a blanket ban for an item or bit of equipment that may cause issues in a specific scenario doesn't seem viable.
In reply to Post #1122
Your paragraph 3 read in conjunction with my points.
I have not seen a contemporary (years) device configured in the way this is. The "other" things you talk of are generally set up and configured to pair away should the worst happen.
This is not. It's fixed, its shape is counter to escape and I find it unfathomable that it went from an idea to sale in its current form.
It really needs to be outlawed everywhere, else, all we have learned to date in terms of maximising safety stood for nothing. Its fixed on and it is not right.
Your paragraph 3 read in conjunction with my points.
I have not seen a contemporary (years) device configured in the way this is. The "other" things you talk of are generally set up and configured to pair away should the worst happen.
This is not. It's fixed, its shape is counter to escape and I find it unfathomable that it went from an idea to sale in its current form.
It really needs to be outlawed everywhere, else, all we have learned to date in terms of maximising safety stood for nothing. Its fixed on and it is not right.
In reply to Post #1123
A dangerous set up is a dangerous set up, regardless of what it consists of. Leadcore and barbed hooks can cause serious (fatal) issues in certain scenarios and in the wrong hands. Venues ban them, shops still sell them.
Conversely, there are scenarios where this twig thing will not be problematic. As such, the call to ban an item outright is illogical. I think the fisheries are doing it the right way and taking the decisions themselves, whether they ban it or not, it has to be their choice and that choice is specific to the circumstances of their venue and not the worst case scenario that you and I can dream up. If that's how things worked then nothing would be on the shelves and none of us would even be here discussing it.
A dangerous set up is a dangerous set up, regardless of what it consists of. Leadcore and barbed hooks can cause serious (fatal) issues in certain scenarios and in the wrong hands. Venues ban them, shops still sell them.
Conversely, there are scenarios where this twig thing will not be problematic. As such, the call to ban an item outright is illogical. I think the fisheries are doing it the right way and taking the decisions themselves, whether they ban it or not, it has to be their choice and that choice is specific to the circumstances of their venue and not the worst case scenario that you and I can dream up. If that's how things worked then nothing would be on the shelves and none of us would even be here discussing it.
In reply to Post #1124
It's brilliant to see that the vast, vast majority of clubs, syndicate controllers and private water owners up and down the United Kingdom can see this device and the risks it poses and have consequently outlawed its use.
Further, its also very comforting to note that alongside that, rational, right minded anglers are in agreement.
It's brilliant to see that the vast, vast majority of clubs, syndicate controllers and private water owners up and down the United Kingdom can see this device and the risks it poses and have consequently outlawed its use.
Further, its also very comforting to note that alongside that, rational, right minded anglers are in agreement.
In reply to Post #1125
Totally agree 👍
Totally agree 👍
If it was really all about fish care then the obsessed could also post 50 times on the sewage threads or the otter threads. They might have views on barbless hooks or leadcore. They don't because it's not. Ali must be paying plenty of rent for all the heads he seems to live inside.
In reply to Post #1125
It's actually more comforting that it's the venues that ultimately get to decide and not people on the internet who have an axe to grind. Have a good one.
It's actually more comforting that it's the venues that ultimately get to decide and not people on the internet who have an axe to grind. Have a good one.
In reply to Post #1128
...and that's not too many is it, relatively....? RKB
...and that's not too many is it, relatively....? RKB
In reply to Post #1125
"vast vast majority"....really? I can think of a few old boys clubs that won't even know of it's existence
"vast vast majority"....really? I can think of a few old boys clubs that won't even know of it's existence
In reply to Post #1124
That's a great point.
Once again being Devils Advocate, (I'm not defending anything @cbailey, certainly not the Twig) is it any worse than, for example, the Korda Heli-Safe? Something that actually advocates "safety" in its title but is in fact (potentially) a death rig which drops the lead and leaves a fish trailing yards of leadcore behind it to get snagged up in whatever?
The lakes will Police the Twig and any other piece of end tackle to be fair. If they feel something is "safe" then that's their opinion, thereafter the Angler has a choice whether to use something or not....
That's a great point.
Once again being Devils Advocate, (I'm not defending anything @cbailey, certainly not the Twig) is it any worse than, for example, the Korda Heli-Safe? Something that actually advocates "safety" in its title but is in fact (potentially) a death rig which drops the lead and leaves a fish trailing yards of leadcore behind it to get snagged up in whatever?
The lakes will Police the Twig and any other piece of end tackle to be fair. If they feel something is "safe" then that's their opinion, thereafter the Angler has a choice whether to use something or not....
In reply to Post #1130
Let's make a list of who's permitting it and who's banning it eh?
Every club I am connected with or involved with in some capacity have banned it in the north.
I would say the vast, vast, majority have. List the ones that permit it if you would, I think we can quite easily get a list together of those that outlaw it.
Let's make a list of who's permitting it and who's banning it eh?
Every club I am connected with or involved with in some capacity have banned it in the north.
I would say the vast, vast, majority have. List the ones that permit it if you would, I think we can quite easily get a list together of those that outlaw it.
In reply to Post #1132
To be fair, you would have to add a third column, (which would be the longest by far) for those that haven't done either!
To be fair, you would have to add a third column, (which would be the longest by far) for those that haven't done either!
In reply to Post #1132
Old geezer did a post and it got removed
Old geezer did a post and it got removed
In reply to Post #1134
Yes, because it was a pointless idea then, and it's a pointless idea now.
I don't care if some lake that I am never going to fish has banned something. When I fish somewhere, I check the rules and abide by them. If I am not fishing somewhere, their rules simply don't matter to me, whether we're talking about leadcore, hooks, fish retention, bait boats, 48 hours in a swim, anything.
If something isn't banned at a venue, it doesn't mean I'll use it either.
Ultimately, I'll just ensure that I adapt my standard approach if the rules dictate that I need to.
Yes, because it was a pointless idea then, and it's a pointless idea now.
I don't care if some lake that I am never going to fish has banned something. When I fish somewhere, I check the rules and abide by them. If I am not fishing somewhere, their rules simply don't matter to me, whether we're talking about leadcore, hooks, fish retention, bait boats, 48 hours in a swim, anything.
If something isn't banned at a venue, it doesn't mean I'll use it either.
Ultimately, I'll just ensure that I adapt my standard approach if the rules dictate that I need to.
In reply to Post #1135
Yes, because it was a pointless idea then
Only in your opinion certainly not in mine
the POINT was to save people going out wasting their hard earned cash on buying the gadget only to find the venue they planned to fish had banned it
by having a list of the venues that banned it ( lots are day ticket) it would help you but as normal
thick ***** ruined a good thread and rather than moderate it the mods chose the easy route and removed it as far as I can tell I dont know I was in hospital when it got removed
Yes, because it was a pointless idea then
Only in your opinion certainly not in mine
the POINT was to save people going out wasting their hard earned cash on buying the gadget only to find the venue they planned to fish had banned it
by having a list of the venues that banned it ( lots are day ticket) it would help you but as normal
thick ***** ruined a good thread and rather than moderate it the mods chose the easy route and removed it as far as I can tell I dont know I was in hospital when it got removed
In reply to Post #1134
ahhh the banned list post? I guess mine will get deleted then. We do know the extent though, don't we
But if admin doesn't like it, then I'll follow their lead..... in the same way anglers should follow the water's outlawed kit rules
ahhh the banned list post? I guess mine will get deleted then. We do know the extent though, don't we
But if admin doesn't like it, then I'll follow their lead..... in the same way anglers should follow the water's outlawed kit rules
In reply to Post #1135
I didn't care if it stayed or not
It's a bit like the football or boxing thread
I'm now not Interested in either so don't read them threads very often
So here's a question
How many people fishing next to someone using this piece of tat would try to preach to the person using it
Or would you just mind your own business and keep your gob shut?
I didn't care if it stayed or not
It's a bit like the football or boxing thread
I'm now not Interested in either so don't read them threads very often
So here's a question
How many people fishing next to someone using this piece of tat would try to preach to the person using it
Or would you just mind your own business and keep your gob shut?
In reply to Post #1139
I wouldn't fish a water that permitted them.
And thus, if they were being used by me, I would be telling the angler.
I wouldn't fish a water that permitted them.
And thus, if they were being used by me, I would be telling the angler.
In reply to Post #1136
it was beyond moderation, so moving to mod room was indeed the easier and less time consuming exercise.
The best and probably the more normal route when visiting a fishery would be to check rules before you go anyway
it was beyond moderation, so moving to mod room was indeed the easier and less time consuming exercise.
The best and probably the more normal route when visiting a fishery would be to check rules before you go anyway
In reply to Post #1141
Or just go onto faceache and type in magic twig banned lol
Or just go onto faceache and type in magic twig banned lol
In reply to Post #1142
contrary to belief, Mods do have jobs and family aswel as looking at whinging posts
contrary to belief, Mods do have jobs and family aswel as looking at whinging posts
In reply to Post #1143
It's a thankless task
I've been mod and admin on forums
People think you are around 24 hours a day
It's a thankless task
I've been mod and admin on forums
People think you are around 24 hours a day
In reply to Post #1143
I totally appreciate the (free) effort admins put in to forums - will always take the admin's side in a debate, even if I'm the other side of it.
I totally appreciate the (free) effort admins put in to forums - will always take the admin's side in a debate, even if I'm the other side of it.
In reply to Post #1145
think we all tend to try our best and let things run until they get too silly. If a thread has countless stupid comments that are in the main, not valid, its just as easy to get rid of it.
Shame for the decent posts that contribute sensibly
hey ho, its the world of fat fingers hey
think we all tend to try our best and let things run until they get too silly. If a thread has countless stupid comments that are in the main, not valid, its just as easy to get rid of it.
Shame for the decent posts that contribute sensibly
hey ho, its the world of fat fingers hey
Yep best put to bed
In reply to Post #1147
indeed Sir
indeed Sir
Ridiculous contraption that should be shelved not only by the owner of the idea but also by the tackle shops selling it, shame on them all.
In reply to Post #1124
I disagree with you there i think it should have a total ban, it would have to be an exceptionally clear lake with no underwater debris or obstructions whatsoever.
Even a weed and snag free venue could have, some form of margin vegetation, a branch that has fell in, variance in depth bar drop off etc, it could just drag on the bottom due to the splayed arms that do not easily break off which could all pull a hook in further or tear the mouth.
I am convinced it is a very dangerous design that should not have been brought to the market at all, i really do not understand anyone that defends it
I disagree with you there i think it should have a total ban, it would have to be an exceptionally clear lake with no underwater debris or obstructions whatsoever.
Even a weed and snag free venue could have, some form of margin vegetation, a branch that has fell in, variance in depth bar drop off etc, it could just drag on the bottom due to the splayed arms that do not easily break off which could all pull a hook in further or tear the mouth.
I am convinced it is a very dangerous design that should not have been brought to the market at all, i really do not understand anyone that defends it
regardless of what people think about each other on here, as considerate responsible conscientious anglers we have a duty to provide the absolute best care for the fish we catch.
That care starts way before we even put a hook in their mouth or lay them on a mat out of water.
That care starts way before we even put a hook in their mouth or lay them on a mat out of water.
In reply to Post #1150
agree re the design,
Im baffled as to those who think its actually "OK"
If AH pulled the product from the market, that would make him far more "popular" to his wider audience.
Thinking of those "Arms"...wouldn't they have been better off that they aren't "Fixed" and they should detach on the take? once ejected, and customer purchases arms separately?
The arms could have easily be made from a material that breaks down fairly quickly....potato starch for one, therefore less damaging to the environment than plastic
agree re the design,
Im baffled as to those who think its actually "OK"
If AH pulled the product from the market, that would make him far more "popular" to his wider audience.
Thinking of those "Arms"...wouldn't they have been better off that they aren't "Fixed" and they should detach on the take? once ejected, and customer purchases arms separately?
The arms could have easily be made from a material that breaks down fairly quickly....potato starch for one, therefore less damaging to the environment than plastic
In reply to Post #1152
Yes it would be better if they wasn't fixed and could detach and like you say would have to be made from something that breaks down quickly, but maybe there would be another way of designing it without the external arms
Yes it would be better if they wasn't fixed and could detach and like you say would have to be made from something that breaks down quickly, but maybe there would be another way of designing it without the external arms
In reply to Post #1145
So whatever your opinion on something is, that changes based on whoever has the authority in the room/group etc? Brown nosing then?
And because people are able to take a more objective view on something, doesnt mean that they agree or disagree, they just have the ability to be objective about it. Doesnt make their opinion on something any less valid, or that they are hiding behind a phrase as you put it.
So whatever your opinion on something is, that changes based on whoever has the authority in the room/group etc? Brown nosing then?
And because people are able to take a more objective view on something, doesnt mean that they agree or disagree, they just have the ability to be objective about it. Doesnt make their opinion on something any less valid, or that they are hiding behind a phrase as you put it.
In reply to Post #1153
In the abattoir, we trailed a product to reduce the cerebral fluid escaping the captive bolt hole left after shooting cattle.
The reason for this was, Government thought that any tissues or fluid deemed as SRM (Specified Risk Material) could be zoonotic, meaning a disease from an animal could jump species to humans (zoonosis) during BSE (mad cow disease) crisis.
The product was approx, from memory, 3 inches in length, tapered from the thinnest point of 9mm to the thick end of up to 14mm, dependant on size of captive bolt used.
They were made of a composite with the main ingredient being potato starch. They were as hard as plastic when dry and went soft after 18 - 24 hours, dependant on temperatures, and up to 72 hours to completely dissolve.
Surely what i said earlier would work for a detachable arm?
I'll send AH my invoice
In the abattoir, we trailed a product to reduce the cerebral fluid escaping the captive bolt hole left after shooting cattle.
The reason for this was, Government thought that any tissues or fluid deemed as SRM (Specified Risk Material) could be zoonotic, meaning a disease from an animal could jump species to humans (zoonosis) during BSE (mad cow disease) crisis.
The product was approx, from memory, 3 inches in length, tapered from the thinnest point of 9mm to the thick end of up to 14mm, dependant on size of captive bolt used.
They were made of a composite with the main ingredient being potato starch. They were as hard as plastic when dry and went soft after 18 - 24 hours, dependant on temperatures, and up to 72 hours to completely dissolve.
Surely what i said earlier would work for a detachable arm?
I'll send AH my invoice
In reply to Post #1154
the old saying goes
Its not what one says, its they way one says it
i love a good ole debate, but blimmey, some people dont half get excited over nothing these days
the old saying goes
Its not what one says, its they way one says it
i love a good ole debate, but blimmey, some people dont half get excited over nothing these days
In reply to Post #1155
They were made of a composite with the main ingredient being potato starch. They were as hard as plastic when dry and went soft after 18 - 24 hours, dependant on temperatures, and up to 72 hours to completely dissolve.
Surely what i said earlier would work for a detachable arm?
The trouble is that people will want to leave them out in the water for 48 hrs and then the arms will be gone or of course they will have to remember how long the arms have been in the water for so that they can change them regularly when on a long session...... ah **** what am I talking about, from all the advertising and this contraption being so awesome the fish will always be caught within a few minutes of casting so nothing to worry about..... not that it would really make any difference because the fish is already hooked from the weight before the thing even triggers anyway
They were made of a composite with the main ingredient being potato starch. They were as hard as plastic when dry and went soft after 18 - 24 hours, dependant on temperatures, and up to 72 hours to completely dissolve.
Surely what i said earlier would work for a detachable arm?
The trouble is that people will want to leave them out in the water for 48 hrs and then the arms will be gone or of course they will have to remember how long the arms have been in the water for so that they can change them regularly when on a long session...... ah **** what am I talking about, from all the advertising and this contraption being so awesome the fish will always be caught within a few minutes of casting so nothing to worry about..... not that it would really make any difference because the fish is already hooked from the weight before the thing even triggers anyway
In reply to Post #1157
I get the time frame, but soft to 24hrs and gone in 72 hours?
im 200% confident timings of dissolving could be altered during the making of the product
I get the time frame, but soft to 24hrs and gone in 72 hours?
im 200% confident timings of dissolving could be altered during the making of the product
In reply to Post #1157
I have a suspicion that the kind of people that leave baits out for 48 hours aren't the type of people that would use twigs
I have a suspicion that the kind of people that leave baits out for 48 hours aren't the type of people that would use twigs
In reply to Post #1159
Redesigned or not a castable rat trap is a step to far in my eyes .
Redesigned or not a castable rat trap is a step to far in my eyes .
In reply to Post #1160
There's always solutions to problems, but i tend to agree with what your aiming at
There's always solutions to problems, but i tend to agree with what your aiming at
In reply to Post #1154
Objectivity is a two way street Heff.
If your opinion is that a "for" view or a middling view is more objective than an "against" view then arguably, your opinion on that is more subjective than objective.
What isn't objective though is making a statement of opinion then repeatedly saying "I'm only playing devil's advocate". That is absolutely hiding behind a phrase. Just state the opinion, then back it up. Or, listen to the counter argument and be convinced. If we all just keep repeating "devil's", what's the point in anything?
Objectivity is a two way street Heff.
If your opinion is that a "for" view or a middling view is more objective than an "against" view then arguably, your opinion on that is more subjective than objective.
What isn't objective though is making a statement of opinion then repeatedly saying "I'm only playing devil's advocate". That is absolutely hiding behind a phrase. Just state the opinion, then back it up. Or, listen to the counter argument and be convinced. If we all just keep repeating "devil's", what's the point in anything?
In reply to Post #1160
I entirely agree Carpbourne.
The safety at crack off is my main concern but the actual device itself from an aim perspective crosses a boundary that doesn't need to be crossed.
And what is particularly irksome is how the great believe himself, H, sees his acts as some sort of disruptive angling influence. If crossing boundaries and making unsafe tackle is the definition, then yes he is. But in terms of "forwarding the pursuit". He is absolutely not. He's put the whole thing back.
I entirely agree Carpbourne.
The safety at crack off is my main concern but the actual device itself from an aim perspective crosses a boundary that doesn't need to be crossed.
And what is particularly irksome is how the great believe himself, H, sees his acts as some sort of disruptive angling influence. If crossing boundaries and making unsafe tackle is the definition, then yes he is. But in terms of "forwarding the pursuit". He is absolutely not. He's put the whole thing back.
In reply to Post #1162
Of course someone can be objective, that's the whole point of a debate....to put a possible viewpoint across for discussion.
Of course someone can be objective, that's the whole point of a debate....to put a possible viewpoint across for discussion.
In reply to Post #1162
Eloquently put, but id suggest looking up the definitions of objectively and subjectively as i think you may have them the wrong way round
And what you are basically saying, is that people shouldnt discuss anything with an open mind. Have an opinion, give it, explain it, then shut up. Or listen to someone elses opinion then change your mind and shut up.
Eloquently put, but id suggest looking up the definitions of objectively and subjectively as i think you may have them the wrong way round
And what you are basically saying, is that people shouldnt discuss anything with an open mind. Have an opinion, give it, explain it, then shut up. Or listen to someone elses opinion then change your mind and shut up.
In reply to Post #1165
I don't think I have Heff
What I am saying is that if one has an opinion, it's very easy to chuck it into the fray but not stand behind it. And a perfect defence to that is to suggest that you are simply throwing ideas out there.
I don't think I have Heff
What I am saying is that if one has an opinion, it's very easy to chuck it into the fray but not stand behind it. And a perfect defence to that is to suggest that you are simply throwing ideas out there.
In reply to Post #1165
It is possible to have an open mind. Listen to someone else's thesis, and still come to the conclusion that they are full of s!!t.
It is possible to have an open mind. Listen to someone else's thesis, and still come to the conclusion that they are full of s!!t.
In reply to Post #1166
It's also easy to simply dismiss something that you don't agree with instead of acknowledging a suggestion and putting a reasoned response across.....
It's also easy to simply dismiss something that you don't agree with instead of acknowledging a suggestion and putting a reasoned response across.....
In reply to Post #1167
That's a slightly harsher viewpoint but nonetheless, the essence of the point 😁
I'd hope we all have open minds to understand and possibly learn from another's view on a particular matter, but, objectively (as that's the word of the evening) this one seems impossible to rationalise.
Its shape and the way it attaches..how anyone can see past that is a mystery
That's a slightly harsher viewpoint but nonetheless, the essence of the point 😁
I'd hope we all have open minds to understand and possibly learn from another's view on a particular matter, but, objectively (as that's the word of the evening) this one seems impossible to rationalise.
Its shape and the way it attaches..how anyone can see past that is a mystery
In reply to Post #1169
I don't think there is a single poster on this thread who has said/suggested that they as an individual feel that the Twig is remotely acceptable though?
I don't think there is a single poster on this thread who has said/suggested that they as an individual feel that the Twig is remotely acceptable though?
In reply to Post #1170
That sounds extremely positive then 👍
That sounds extremely positive then 👍
Is the whole point of the forum, not to discuss subjects though. As spod says, no one on here, that ive seen anyway, agrees with this product. But it exists and some people have discussed it and the surrounding issues. Others seem to be refusing to accept any subject raised other than its dangerous and should be banned everywhere, by everyone, end of, mic drop.
Perhaps getting rid of the forum, taking the discussion out, and just having polls with limited options is the way to go
Perhaps getting rid of the forum, taking the discussion out, and just having polls with limited options is the way to go
In reply to Post #1172
Let's stretch the debate out then as to why it's right to exist/use (whether we agree with that viewpoint or not).
Will that spice up the thread?
I can't think of a single aspect of it that makes sense. Mic drop or otherwise. I would be intrigued on another's view as to why it's acceptable, aside from "fishery A uses it".
Let's stretch the debate out then as to why it's right to exist/use (whether we agree with that viewpoint or not).
Will that spice up the thread?
I can't think of a single aspect of it that makes sense. Mic drop or otherwise. I would be intrigued on another's view as to why it's acceptable, aside from "fishery A uses it".
I've said I don't like the thing - think it's dangerous and should be banned everywhere- I can't believe AH has continued to back this ridiculous idea unabated. But in the style of my Mrs there are certainly positives.
I have never heard fish safely and conscious talked about this much, a great thing.
It opens the minds of us to what rig problems we may want to solve.
It has shown that innovation is not just about being first to market.
Just those three things have advanced places like this forum. The people who previously cast out ‘should be ok rigs' thinking deeper about the side effects of poor rigs.
People thinking about proper rig mechanics and can shock and elasticity be an Ed vantage.
Finally and we've all done it - thought up something good only for someone to say ‘what about blah'
Inadvertently AH could actually have done fisherman a favour, by creating a herd mentality that has seen straight through this ridiculous idea. I wish he'd admit it, lick his wounds and try again, as we learn the antis get more ammunition.
Like many things in life, race, religion, sexuality and even football it is when something so bad appears that people come together - a debate, not one about the twig, but about caring for our fish and ethics. So yes it's a bad idea, yes it may cause fishing pain, but in a small way it bonds anglers that previously survived on bitching about stuff that really doesn't matter.
Long live proper debates and opinions, eventually even the deaf hear
I have never heard fish safely and conscious talked about this much, a great thing.
It opens the minds of us to what rig problems we may want to solve.
It has shown that innovation is not just about being first to market.
Just those three things have advanced places like this forum. The people who previously cast out ‘should be ok rigs' thinking deeper about the side effects of poor rigs.
People thinking about proper rig mechanics and can shock and elasticity be an Ed vantage.
Finally and we've all done it - thought up something good only for someone to say ‘what about blah'
Inadvertently AH could actually have done fisherman a favour, by creating a herd mentality that has seen straight through this ridiculous idea. I wish he'd admit it, lick his wounds and try again, as we learn the antis get more ammunition.
Like many things in life, race, religion, sexuality and even football it is when something so bad appears that people come together - a debate, not one about the twig, but about caring for our fish and ethics. So yes it's a bad idea, yes it may cause fishing pain, but in a small way it bonds anglers that previously survived on bitching about stuff that really doesn't matter.
Long live proper debates and opinions, eventually even the deaf hear
In reply to Post #1157
The real problem is those arms and device itself doesnt do anything as we saw from all the videos... Fish already properly hooked... So muu point really... Maybe ali should be selling unvisible twigs... Idiots would still buy...
The real problem is those arms and device itself doesnt do anything as we saw from all the videos... Fish already properly hooked... So muu point really... Maybe ali should be selling unvisible twigs... Idiots would still buy...
In reply to Post #1175
He is selling "The Emperor's New Clothes" to people . It's clever showing a few underwater clips and saying that's what happens every time , but the truth is you can't prove it . With the rat trap on your line it will be sprung every fish you land surely , as even if it's hook traditionally against the rig as you play it the pressure will set the rat trap off at some point 🤔 . Then some loud bloke will shout "there you go hook a duck"
The Emperor's New Clothes
He is selling "The Emperor's New Clothes" to people . It's clever showing a few underwater clips and saying that's what happens every time , but the truth is you can't prove it . With the rat trap on your line it will be sprung every fish you land surely , as even if it's hook traditionally against the rig as you play it the pressure will set the rat trap off at some point 🤔 . Then some loud bloke will shout "there you go hook a duck"
The Emperor's New Clothes
In reply to Post #1173
That's not a debate on this Forum though, there's no-one on here (openly anyway) suggesting that it is acceptable or right to exist/use.
That's not a debate on this Forum though, there's no-one on here (openly anyway) suggesting that it is acceptable or right to exist/use.
In reply to Post #1177
But thats the argument isn't it? That if this existence of any thread is to debate the point, if we are not debating it, then what on earth are we talking about. Either go hypothetical then or go home is the essence of the point
That seems to be one angle
But thats the argument isn't it? That if this existence of any thread is to debate the point, if we are not debating it, then what on earth are we talking about. Either go hypothetical then or go home is the essence of the point
That seems to be one angle
Are we aiming for 1500 or 2000 on this thread 🤔
Hmmmm lots of debate going on, seems to be getting under control again though.
Anyway despite long posts, various hypothesis, manufacturing points, fish safety, moral ethics of the device and even the sanity of Mr Hamidi, one factor has been over looked
It's a really **** name
Magic Twig FFS. Sounds like it's been named by a 5 year old.
Play nice
Anyway despite long posts, various hypothesis, manufacturing points, fish safety, moral ethics of the device and even the sanity of Mr Hamidi, one factor has been over looked
It's a really **** name
Magic Twig
FFS. Sounds like it's been named by a 5 year old.Play nice
In reply to Post #1178
For me the debate is not whether the Twig is right or wrong or acceptable, (it is obvious that this thread provides a resounding "no" from the vast majority in that respect) but more-so why it is being allowed on certain waters and is the Twig, in reality, any worse than other items of end tackle that we chuck out into ponds day in day out?? (that is one of Hamidi's favourite lines of defence after all).
For me the debate is not whether the Twig is right or wrong or acceptable, (it is obvious that this thread provides a resounding "no" from the vast majority in that respect) but more-so why it is being allowed on certain waters and is the Twig, in reality, any worse than other items of end tackle that we chuck out into ponds day in day out?? (that is one of Hamidi's favourite lines of defence after all).
In reply to Post #1181
really???????????
of course it is. What other item that we sling out
1. doesn't detach fairly easily from the business end in the event of a breakage
2. definitely acts like a rake and "wants" to gather crap on the retrieve if it's been activated.
This really is a total no brainer surely?
really???????????
of course it is. What other item that we sling out
1. doesn't detach fairly easily from the business end in the event of a breakage
2. definitely acts like a rake and "wants" to gather crap on the retrieve if it's been activated.
This really is a total no brainer surely?
In reply to Post #1182
Exactly, for the repeated reasons I recently posted and summarised in Matty's post below - this is worse. It absolutely IS the worst carp terminal tackle I have seen in contemporary times.
Exactly, for the repeated reasons I recently posted and summarised in Matty's post below - this is worse. It absolutely IS the worst carp terminal tackle I have seen in contemporary times.
In reply to Post #1182
To be crystal clear, I'm not trying to say the Twig is anything other than horrific....!!
OK, what about the Korda Heli-Safe, an item that actually has the word "safe" in it's description? Lead drops, which it is designed to do, line snaps and a fish is trailing 6ft of leader around that could get tangled around tree roots etc?
I am not saying that the Hel-Safe is on a par with the Twig but it could be argued it is as dangerous in the wrong hands/circumstances.
To be crystal clear, I'm not trying to say the Twig is anything other than horrific....!!
OK, what about the Korda Heli-Safe, an item that actually has the word "safe" in it's description? Lead drops, which it is designed to do, line snaps and a fish is trailing 6ft of leader around that could get tangled around tree roots etc?
I am not saying that the Hel-Safe is on a par with the Twig but it could be argued it is as dangerous in the wrong hands/circumstances.
In reply to Post #1184
Leaders are bad enough as it is. I don't agree with their use either - but I am less vehement in my disagreement than with something that has the aesthetic of a plastic anchor.
Leaders are bad enough as it is. I don't agree with their use either - but I am less vehement in my disagreement than with something that has the aesthetic of a plastic anchor.
In reply to Post #1185
i don't use leaders but i know plenty that do, good anglers that I have very very rarely seen have a breakage. They're not in the same league as this monstrosity.
I am finding this whole thing very disconcerting. Its a death trap plain and simple - and it's aimed at anglers that still don't really understand the difference between a safe rig and a dangerous rig to start with! i still see people on day ticket waters tying the hooklink direct to the eye of the swivel - what chance have we got of those anglers stopping to think logically about using the twig? none whatsoever.
snags on things in the lake easily
snags in the net easily (even by Ali's own admission)
won't detach in the event of a break
It's all very very sad that he even brought this to market - even more sad now he's defending the indefensible. Perhaps the way forward is to boycott en masse any outlets selling it and take your business elsewhere. That will make the retailers think.
i don't use leaders but i know plenty that do, good anglers that I have very very rarely seen have a breakage. They're not in the same league as this monstrosity.
I am finding this whole thing very disconcerting. Its a death trap plain and simple - and it's aimed at anglers that still don't really understand the difference between a safe rig and a dangerous rig to start with! i still see people on day ticket waters tying the hooklink direct to the eye of the swivel - what chance have we got of those anglers stopping to think logically about using the twig? none whatsoever.
snags on things in the lake easily
snags in the net easily (even by Ali's own admission)
won't detach in the event of a break
It's all very very sad that he even brought this to market - even more sad now he's defending the indefensible. Perhaps the way forward is to boycott en masse any outlets selling it and take your business elsewhere. That will make the retailers think.
In reply to Post #1184
i agree, the whole mechanics after a crack off or line parting with a heli set up is the weight of the lead applying enough downward pressure for the swivel to remove the top bead and in theory the lead should provide enough weight for the hooklength to slide all the way off...I looked into the heli safe and won't use it as with no lead its impossible for the above to happen...its no where near as crude or obvious as the twig and no where near the amount of.people use helicopter set ups,living in the North West I don't have mich choice with the silty meres etc
i agree, the whole mechanics after a crack off or line parting with a heli set up is the weight of the lead applying enough downward pressure for the swivel to remove the top bead and in theory the lead should provide enough weight for the hooklength to slide all the way off...I looked into the heli safe and won't use it as with no lead its impossible for the above to happen...its no where near as crude or obvious as the twig and no where near the amount of.people use helicopter set ups,living in the North West I don't have mich choice with the silty meres etc
In reply to Post #1186
Not sure what you mean when you say tying the hook link to the eye of the swivel? Did you mean the swivel on the lead?
Not sure what you mean when you say tying the hook link to the eye of the swivel? Did you mean the swivel on the lead?
In reply to Post #1187
Swings and round abouts with helisafes, and leaders
In the event of a crack off, it works as a normal heli set up.
When actually hooking a fish, the safest rig, is one that gets it in. Dropping the lead assists in that instance, especially in a weedy lake. If you get cut off no matter what rig you use, you are leaving that fish, towing the same amount of line. But generally, once the leads dropped, fish come up in the water further away from most stuff that could cut you off. Anything can tether a fish. Leadless, it doesnt work as a heliscopter rig, with lead attached still would granted, but it wont leave anymore line than a leadclip for example
And leaders, unleaded in this case, is far less likely to cause a tethering, that the meters of mono left behind it. The springing mono is the issue with most tetherings. The leader however going through pads, weedbeds etc is a lot less likely to be cut. So increasing the chances of landing the fish, and safely returning it, with no rigs whatsover attached to it still
Swings and round abouts with helisafes, and leaders
In the event of a crack off, it works as a normal heli set up.
When actually hooking a fish, the safest rig, is one that gets it in. Dropping the lead assists in that instance, especially in a weedy lake. If you get cut off no matter what rig you use, you are leaving that fish, towing the same amount of line. But generally, once the leads dropped, fish come up in the water further away from most stuff that could cut you off. Anything can tether a fish. Leadless, it doesnt work as a heliscopter rig, with lead attached still would granted, but it wont leave anymore line than a leadclip for example
And leaders, unleaded in this case, is far less likely to cause a tethering, that the meters of mono left behind it. The springing mono is the issue with most tetherings. The leader however going through pads, weedbeds etc is a lot less likely to be cut. So increasing the chances of landing the fish, and safely returning it, with no rigs whatsover attached to it still
In reply to Post #1180
It's a really **** name
Magic Twig FFS. Sounds like it's been named by a 5 year old
to be fair, the company name isnt much better
It's a really **** name
Magic Twig FFS. Sounds like it's been named by a 5 year old
to be fair, the company name isnt much better
In reply to Post #1190
Cool tool is a bit lame also
Cool tool is a bit lame also
After nearly 1200 posts have we established if it's good or bad?
I have had 3x40s, 3x50s and a 60 using it so it's a thumbs up from me........
I have had 3x40s, 3x50s and a 60 using it so it's a thumbs up from me........
In reply to Post #1190
when hamidi was messaging me (he's now stopped) I did say to him the name sounds like a kids story book.....he said wait till the book comes out after the launch 😂😂😂😂 not sure its gone to plan for him
when hamidi was messaging me (he's now stopped) I did say to him the name sounds like a kids story book.....he said wait till the book comes out after the launch 😂😂😂😂 not sure its gone to plan for him
In reply to Post #1193
And how many times has it “activated”
And how many times has it “activated”
In reply to Post #1197
that could be hamidis next line of defence
that could be hamidis next line of defence
In reply to Post #1198
Perhaps that might be his next business venture, selling tamed otters to catch fish for you - "OMC Da Otterz". Absolute gamechanger.
Perhaps that might be his next business venture, selling tamed otters to catch fish for you - "OMC Da Otterz". Absolute gamechanger.
In reply to Post #1199
Would probably be safer than stick.
Would probably be safer than stick.
In reply to Post #1186
Correct on all points.
Correct on all points.
In reply to Post #1194
It is a book!!!
About a little girl who complains to the wind it has blown all the apples off a tree so the wind gives the girl a 'Magic Twig' that produces an endless supply of apples.
I read it to my little boy every now and then
It is a book!!!
About a little girl who complains to the wind it has blown all the apples off a tree so the wind gives the girl a 'Magic Twig' that produces an endless supply of apples.
I read it to my little boy every now and then
In reply to Post #1193
That's nothing I used it on a very hard UK water guesting and had them all out 64,61,60,57,54,53,50,48,43, and loads of 30,s and 20,s .
It's the nuts 🥜
Hoping for a consultancy or a bait deal as I have arrived at last .
OMC my hero's and Ali is a top top geezer👌👍👍👍🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣
I even made a DVD of this epic hauling 🫢
That's nothing I used it on a very hard UK water guesting and had them all out 64,61,60,57,54,53,50,48,43, and loads of 30,s and 20,s .
It's the nuts 🥜
Hoping for a consultancy or a bait deal as I have arrived at last .
OMC my hero's and Ali is a top top geezer👌👍👍👍🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣
I even made a DVD of this epic hauling 🫢
In reply to Post #1203
I believed you then until you said ali is a top geezer
I believed you then until you said ali is a top geezer
In reply to Post #1204
That's even funnier 🤣😂🤣😂
That's even funnier 🤣😂🤣😂
In reply to Post #1205
Was in a tackle shop where they have them on the counter , and was shown bending the arms back / not snapping . I might be old and want my stuff to look neat , but it's a hideous thing , like tying a ball point pen onto your hooklength 🙄. They sold a fair few , tbh people are curious I think ,rather than desperate enough to use it .
Was in a tackle shop where they have them on the counter , and was shown bending the arms back / not snapping . I might be old and want my stuff to look neat , but it's a hideous thing , like tying a ball point pen onto your hooklength 🙄. They sold a fair few , tbh people are curious I think ,rather than desperate enough to use it .
It's something new. People will want to try. It's created a **** storm on social media. And now gone very quite. Ali's work is done.
In reply to Post #1207
Be interesting to see if fisheries row back on bans 🤔 , or if owners were trying to look like they had fish care and standards . I know there was a "banned" list going at one point , so would be more interesting to see "allowed" list to see if it's money oriented decisions . Nowhere near me allows it , my syndicate have banned it , but as I was told those fishing it would never lowered themselves to use it anyway . Things may of gone quiet because all the major players have banned and made a stance and have no need to say any more , but I was shocked to see it used at Grenville, who's owner was always held up as someone who was strict on fish care .
Facebook not flooded with catch reports , let's hope that the people who it's aimed out give up with it , or run out of PVA for each cast 😁
Be interesting to see if fisheries row back on bans 🤔 , or if owners were trying to look like they had fish care and standards . I know there was a "banned" list going at one point , so would be more interesting to see "allowed" list to see if it's money oriented decisions . Nowhere near me allows it , my syndicate have banned it , but as I was told those fishing it would never lowered themselves to use it anyway . Things may of gone quiet because all the major players have banned and made a stance and have no need to say any more , but I was shocked to see it used at Grenville, who's owner was always held up as someone who was strict on fish care .
Facebook not flooded with catch reports , let's hope that the people who it's aimed out give up with it , or run out of PVA for each cast 😁
In reply to Post #1208
The idea that all carp anglers are posting catch reports on Facebook (or any other social media) is for the birds. People are using it. People are catching on it. Just worry about your own fishing and you'll be fine.
The idea that all carp anglers are posting catch reports on Facebook (or any other social media) is for the birds. People are using it. People are catching on it. Just worry about your own fishing and you'll be fine.
In reply to Post #1209
Listened to the baitworks podcast about it the other day. Perfectly summed up the issues.
Listened to the baitworks podcast about it the other day. Perfectly summed up the issues.
In reply to Post #1209
The people that this thing is aimed at are a Facebook angling generation hence I thought some of the carp pages would see more traffic , or Ali talking up catches using it 😁. Hoping it just fades away 👍.
My angling is just fine 🙂 , other than after 50 years carp fishing its harder to find somewhere to lay my hat 👍
The people that this thing is aimed at are a Facebook angling generation hence I thought some of the carp pages would see more traffic , or Ali talking up catches using it 😁. Hoping it just fades away 👍.
My angling is just fine 🙂 , other than after 50 years carp fishing its harder to find somewhere to lay my hat 👍
In reply to Post #1212
Although I'm really against this crap bit of tat I thought I'd have to have a closer look so I got the owner of one to show me . It confirmed all I had , and lots on here , had thought . It's hideous , but the big thing was the arms were bent open ( not by me as I did not pay for it ) and they just slayed open no breaking . Things have quietened down a bit with only some fisheries allowing it , and those are the type of places that the people it's aimed at would probably fish anyway . I'm hoping that after the initial sales that people will get bored of using the PVA , and realise that it may well have made no difference of getting the bite . Trouble is that no matter what the rat trap is sprung during the fight and you can't prove it one way or another 🙄.
Although I'm really against this crap bit of tat I thought I'd have to have a closer look so I got the owner of one to show me . It confirmed all I had , and lots on here , had thought . It's hideous , but the big thing was the arms were bent open ( not by me as I did not pay for it ) and they just slayed open no breaking . Things have quietened down a bit with only some fisheries allowing it , and those are the type of places that the people it's aimed at would probably fish anyway . I'm hoping that after the initial sales that people will get bored of using the PVA , and realise that it may well have made no difference of getting the bite . Trouble is that no matter what the rat trap is sprung during the fight and you can't prove it one way or another 🙄.
In reply to Post #1214
Nasty.
I think Ali should use that photo to get himself out of the ****, say he has made a honest mistake, withdraw the product and take the hit in order that OMC survives.
Nasty.
I think Ali should use that photo to get himself out of the ****, say he has made a honest mistake, withdraw the product and take the hit in order that OMC survives.
In reply to Post #1214
To be fair, I fail to see how the mechanics of the Magic Twig have caused that to happen. It looks like the hook point has been exposed whilst in the net, got caught in the net and it's pulled out of the fish, the fish has moved down the line through movement, and the tapered rubber bit has opened up the hole.
In reply to Post #1217
Looks to me me like the hook has gone through the lip and grabbed the net, during moving the fish in the net looks like it's moved and dragged it through its lip
Said all I want to below, look at the size of it ffs!!!
Looks to me me like the hook has gone through the lip and grabbed the net, during moving the fish in the net looks like it's moved and dragged it through its lip
Said all I want to below, look at the size of it ffs!!!
In reply to Post #1218
But it shows that
A - small fish can set it off
Or
B - that we will never know if it does or does not go off other that when playing any size fish in 😡
C - that he will ride the storm out for fortune and Glory .
But it shows that
A - small fish can set it off
Or
B - that we will never know if it does or does not go off other that when playing any size fish in 😡
C - that he will ride the storm out for fortune and Glory .
In reply to Post #1214
Sounds like a quality water 👍
Sounds like a quality water 👍
I mean it's obvious in my mind that it should be globally banned but I don't think that picture is the smoking gun people will want it to be
In reply to Post #1212
That happens when the hook is in the mesh and you stupidly lift the net with the hook still attached, the weight of the fish then causes more damage and makes them slide down to the lead arrangement. Had the same happen to me last night, but myself and the bailiff had the sense to unhook the fish in the net first. It doesn't happen often, but a bit of common sense prevents these obvious hit job photos from occurring.
Not sure whats worse now. The twig itself, or people using these type of photos as a stick to hit Ali with despite THEM being the moron in that scenario and causing more distress to a badly hooked fish.
That happens when the hook is in the mesh and you stupidly lift the net with the hook still attached, the weight of the fish then causes more damage and makes them slide down to the lead arrangement. Had the same happen to me last night, but myself and the bailiff had the sense to unhook the fish in the net first. It doesn't happen often, but a bit of common sense prevents these obvious hit job photos from occurring.
Not sure whats worse now. The twig itself, or people using these type of photos as a stick to hit Ali with despite THEM being the moron in that scenario and causing more distress to a badly hooked fish.
Where's post 1214 gone?
In reply to Post #1223
Ali has obviously been on the phone to the mods lol
Ali has obviously been on the phone to the mods lol
In reply to Post #1223
not guilty
not guilty
My club today
Important ........
———————————————-
“The Magic Twig”
The Committee have met to discuss the subject of the Magic Twig.
After close inspection, rigorously testing it out in various ways and listening to other feedback from numerous sources.
We have come to the conclusion that if we allowed it to be used on society venues, it would be detrimental to the wellbeing of our stock.
We have therefore decided to ban its use on all society waters.
This rule will come into effect as soon as the word has been passed to every member via the next newsletter.
Could all Facebook members spread the word, so that people don't waste their money purchasing something that they can't use.
Thank you.
The Committee
Important ........
———————————————-
“The Magic Twig”
The Committee have met to discuss the subject of the Magic Twig.
After close inspection, rigorously testing it out in various ways and listening to other feedback from numerous sources.
We have come to the conclusion that if we allowed it to be used on society venues, it would be detrimental to the wellbeing of our stock.
We have therefore decided to ban its use on all society waters.
This rule will come into effect as soon as the word has been passed to every member via the next newsletter.
Could all Facebook members spread the word, so that people don't waste their money purchasing something that they can't use.
Thank you.
The Committee
In reply to Post #1226
Just see that post, use of plastic baits getting banned also
Just see that post, use of plastic baits getting banned also
In reply to Post #1227
The committee do NOT like to rush lol
The committee do NOT like to rush lol
In reply to Post #1228
Imagin a plastic bait on a rat trap rig , spliced to leadcore 🤔
Imagin a plastic bait on a rat trap rig , spliced to leadcore 🤔
In reply to Post #1223
What did it say? I can retrieve it from the database if it's important...
What did it say? I can retrieve it from the database if it's important...
In reply to Post #1230
it was a picture from a warrington water where the fishes mouth had been ripped, yes there was a twig attatched the damage was probably done by the hook going through the mouth and tore the mouth when caught in the net.
it was a picture from a warrington water where the fishes mouth had been ripped, yes there was a twig attatched the damage was probably done by the hook going through the mouth and tore the mouth when caught in the net.
In reply to Post #1230
It was a photo of a tench stuck in the net.
It was a photo of a tench stuck in the net.
In reply to Post #1232
The rat trap on a line clip setup is bad , but the latest OMC advert shows it spliced to a leadfree leader , making it even more dangerous. I know his ego won't let it go , but surely showing a new product attached to it is taking the piss .
The rat trap on a line clip setup is bad , but the latest OMC advert shows it spliced to a leadfree leader , making it even more dangerous. I know his ego won't let it go , but surely showing a new product attached to it is taking the piss .
Noticed on the grand fishing adventure when Ali caught that sturgeon that the twig hadn't been activated when he was landing it! a great bit of kit that puts more fish on the bank 
In reply to Post #1234
As well as the rules of the lake not applying to him again!, when Jo/e Public has to follow them🤷♂️
As well as the rules of the lake not applying to him again!, when Jo/e Public has to follow them🤷♂️
Anyone seen the new under fishing video on YouTube? I'm pretty sure it's these guys that did the filming for Ali.
At the very beginning a bird dives down, lifts the rig and it doesn't trigger. Next scene a carp drops down, it triggers and gets away with it. The next scene the rig is in the deck, triggered, and gets hooked.
Ali is full of ****. Safety issues aside, the thing doesn't even work and these clips prove it.
At the very beginning a bird dives down, lifts the rig and it doesn't trigger. Next scene a carp drops down, it triggers and gets away with it. The next scene the rig is in the deck, triggered, and gets hooked.
Ali is full of ****. Safety issues aside, the thing doesn't even work and these clips prove it.
In reply to Post #1236
I've seen a few of their video's, as soon as I noticed that they were using that god awful contraption I unsubscribed..
I've seen a few of their video's, as soon as I noticed that they were using that god awful contraption I unsubscribed..
In reply to Post #1237
Seems OMC waited for the dust to settle , but just put out a video showcasing all the massive carp you can catch if you only give them some money for a rat trap .
Seems OMC waited for the dust to settle , but just put out a video showcasing all the massive carp you can catch if you only give them some money for a rat trap .
In reply to Post #1237
Yeah me too, bloody annoying from my fellow countrymen. First i was like, ok, nice niche they have found, well done, and then this. Pfff.
Yeah me too, bloody annoying from my fellow countrymen. First i was like, ok, nice niche they have found, well done, and then this. Pfff.
OMC Twigate, YouTube trailer...
Was Ali right all along or still a you decide!
Was Ali right all along
or still a you decide!
In reply to Post #1240
Ready for the we have listened to feedback and here is twig 2 at a new higher cost that the OMC fan boys will still buy
Ready for the we have listened to feedback and here is twig 2 at a new higher cost that the OMC fan boys will still buy
In reply to Post #1241
It appears to show Ali knew and had proof of its safety, if true!. Shows them trying to snag it up etc, just saying what I saw.
It appears to show Ali knew and had proof of its safety, if true!. Shows them trying to snag it up etc, just saying what I saw.
In reply to Post #1242
Begs the question if he had this all along why he let his sales suffer for a year and not answer all the critics straight away? Seems like a terrible business decision to be honest.
Begs the question if he had this all along why he let his sales suffer for a year and not answer all the critics straight away? Seems like a terrible business decision to be honest.
In reply to Post #1242
Begs the question if he had this all along why he let his sales suffer for a year and not answer all the critics straight away? Seems like a terrible business decision to be honest.
Begs the question if he had this all along why he let his sales suffer for a year and not answer all the critics straight away? Seems like a terrible business decision to be honest.
the v2 is the magic wand, it still begs the question,the fish is already hooked to even activate the contraption....anyone that sees the necessity to use it surely must realise the fish is already hooked, so then why use it at all,just to get a one toner everytime as the fish bolts after having the hook sunk in even further than it was
I'm not an Ali basher, in fact I admire him for leaving Korda comfort zone and having the bollox to give it ago him self
But 2 things don't make sense to me. If you had the videos and evidence all along to disprove most of the industry on a controversial product why wait a year to put it out there, secondly why the need to rename it the wand if the twig was so safe and good?
But 2 things don't make sense to me. If you had the videos and evidence all along to disprove most of the industry on a controversial product why wait a year to put it out there, secondly why the need to rename it the wand if the twig was so safe and good?
I think everyone needs to calm down a bit and see what comes across in this video there putting out. Just saying..
In reply to Post #1247
To me the comments are fair, especially re business sense...and very calm for here...sometimes 🤣
I'm looking forward to the video, a lot of hostility has been thrown Alis way, and not in a nice way either from what I understand.
Anyone old enough to remember Southpark, it reminds me of the angry crowd scenes, or the Monty Python witch scenes......burn him
I'll admit, he can be like Marmite.
To me the comments are fair, especially re business sense...and very calm for here...sometimes 🤣
I'm looking forward to the video, a lot of hostility has been thrown Alis way, and not in a nice way either from what I understand.
Anyone old enough to remember Southpark, it reminds me of the angry crowd scenes, or the Monty Python witch scenes......burn him
I'll admit, he can be like Marmite.
I couldn't care less what comes out in the video it's a product that's not needed. The rig mechanics ***** the fish. And the lead sets the hook what more to it is needed ?
A armless twig called the wand.
Skip to the end of the trailer video and it gives a link to the full video, that's unlisted.
Interesting (or not!) that Korda and OMC are both doing today at 5pm for their 'big' youtube drops...
In reply to Post #1243
You know what they say about publicity don't you? Anyway I mentioned this on his Facebook post and apparently he didn't release the footage at the time due to some kind of confidentiality.
Personally I think that's horse*hit, he could have alleviated all the safely concerns regarding the twig there and then by releasing the footage but fact is everyone was talking about him and OMC for weeks and weeks putting them both in the limelight.
You know what they say about publicity don't you? Anyway I mentioned this on his Facebook post and apparently he didn't release the footage at the time due to some kind of confidentiality.
Personally I think that's horse*hit, he could have alleviated all the safely concerns regarding the twig there and then by releasing the footage but fact is everyone was talking about him and OMC for weeks and weeks putting them both in the limelight.
I don't buy any of what he's said, he's done all this footage after the **** storm, for the contraption to be activated the fish has to have already straightened the hooklength...so it's got to be hooked surely to God....the marketing side if him is playing on people's emotions,missing out on pb's,missing out on the best seasons ever,missing out on it making them happy, being worse off than other people that are using it.... of it was that good originally whys he redeveloped it???? it's an eyesore,it's unnecessary and my opinion hasn't changed,he's a *****.
All the fisheries that banned the Magic Twig are now going to have to ban the Magic Wand as well.
Reading this post is comical and I Can't believe how bent of shape people are over an item of tackle.......real world problems I guess......
People hanging off his every word just to say how much they dislike him. It's sad that grown men give so much head space to willing another man to fail.
I don't think that link should of been on the trailer,the links gone now
In reply to Post #1258
...deliberate again...hmm
...deliberate again...hmm
In reply to Post #1259
It's hilarious to see there's so many that think he's such a marketing genius he's doing all this stuff on purpose. Purposely released the twig to cause an uproar and have better sales on the wand...
Everyone forgetting at korda he didn't make business decisions like he does at OMC. He might be a marketing whizz but clearly business decisions aren't a strong point.
He's hoping this wand is magic and will revive the business, sadly he's mistaken.
It's hilarious to see there's so many that think he's such a marketing genius he's doing all this stuff on purpose. Purposely released the twig to cause an uproar and have better sales on the wand...
Everyone forgetting at korda he didn't make business decisions like he does at OMC. He might be a marketing whizz but clearly business decisions aren't a strong point.
He's hoping this wand is magic and will revive the business, sadly he's mistaken.
In reply to Post #1256
There's an old Chinese proverb which says, " If you see something strange and ignore it, it's strangeness will vanish". Just ignore him, don't watch his vids or buy his products. Why stress yourself with such triviality.
There's an old Chinese proverb which says, " If you see something strange and ignore it, it's strangeness will vanish". Just ignore him, don't watch his vids or buy his products. Why stress yourself with such triviality.
I've just seen the 50 second clip and there's a photo popped up of him with “Omc”shaved into his Mohican and it's even shaped like the twig rig as well absolutely stupid and the hairstyle makes him look like a wannabe MMA fighter as well,and all the fan boys saying “ignore the haters” & “we love you hamidi” etc pathetic really
In reply to Post #1262
To be fair the haters are pathetic too......
To be fair the haters are pathetic too......
In reply to Post #1263
Their stuff is aimed at a different demographic to me , so I'm safe and don't look at it anymore . I thought it would be good to have another development type company , but the silly names etc show it's aimed at tictok / Facebook / smash anglers . Some of the gear may be good , but it's put me off bothering and I walk past their tackle stands . Morally it's on the edge of what I think we need , just one step away from a more fierce twig , or some bright spark will take it further .
Their stuff is aimed at a different demographic to me , so I'm safe and don't look at it anymore . I thought it would be good to have another development type company , but the silly names etc show it's aimed at tictok / Facebook / smash anglers . Some of the gear may be good , but it's put me off bothering and I walk past their tackle stands . Morally it's on the edge of what I think we need , just one step away from a more fierce twig , or some bright spark will take it further .
Get your wands out.
In reply to Post #1262
It's only a haircut for f@#k sake..
Well, I've now had a chance to watch the twig gate vid. And it seems the magic twig is no more a fish killer than anyother piece of plastic we attach to the end of our line.
The Magic wand. With a bit more forethought buttons rather than arms would of saved himself a whole heap of trouble in the first place. But he got there in the end
Still looks a barstard though..
It's only a haircut for f@#k sake..
Well, I've now had a chance to watch the twig gate vid. And it seems the magic twig is no more a fish killer than anyother piece of plastic we attach to the end of our line.
The Magic wand. With a bit more forethought buttons rather than arms would of saved himself a whole heap of trouble in the first place. But he got there in the end
Still looks a barstard though..
This is embarrassing 😳 just watched it - never heard so much **** ,desperate! The arms maybe smaller but it will still snag in nets for one most responsible fisheries owner will ban it and rightly so !
just watched it - never heard so much **** ,desperate! The arms maybe smaller but it will still snag in nets for one most responsible fisheries owner will ban it and rightly so !
if it was that safe, whys he changed it, if the twig/ wand hooks every fish,why does he sell every component for every rig imaginable as it wouldn't be needed as the twig would hook with a knotless knot and a semi sharp hook.
he's a salesman and this is his attempt to launch the wand.....its nothing more than a product launch.....you'll only see the footage he wants you to see.
he's a salesman and this is his attempt to launch the wand.....its nothing more than a product launch.....you'll only see the footage he wants you to see.
In reply to Post #1268
Think he's just put more fuel on the fire 🔥 can't believe what he was saying!
Think he's just put more fuel on the fire 🔥 can't believe what he was saying!
In reply to Post #1266
So he did that research and testing with the twig only to come out with a new version a year later.
So he did that research and testing with the twig only to come out with a new version a year later.
In reply to Post #1270
I don't understand his argument for holding back all this unseen footage to protect the sport ??
In one clip he actually proves it does acts as a weed rake !!
Why is now being replaced if it was so safe ?
I can see everyone banning the new version as there is nothing to gain for the fishery to allow it.
I don't understand his argument for holding back all this unseen footage to protect the sport ??
In one clip he actually proves it does acts as a weed rake !!
Why is now being replaced if it was so safe ?
I can see everyone banning the new version as there is nothing to gain for the fishery to allow it.
In reply to Post #1270
As he says. He's spent hundreds of thousands on new injection moulds, staff fine, etc for the sole purpose of pleasing the naysayers....
In the real world, he realised other people were right, even if they went about it the wrong way and made a mk2 that is better and what he should have done in the first place. He's now trying to sell it. The twig won't be in stock anywhere even if he says it'll still be sold.
As he says. He's spent hundreds of thousands on new injection moulds, staff fine, etc for the sole purpose of pleasing the naysayers....
In the real world, he realised other people were right, even if they went about it the wrong way and made a mk2 that is better and what he should have done in the first place. He's now trying to sell it. The twig won't be in stock anywhere even if he says it'll still be sold.
exactly, it's just a product launch video....I hope everywhere bans this too as it's just not needed
In reply to Post #1273
Half the ***** you have is probably not needed........
Half the ***** you have is probably not needed........
In reply to Post #1274
flour d rig and a wafter 95% of the time these days on a heli set up as I fish a silty water
flour d rig and a wafter 95% of the time these days on a heli set up as I fish a silty water
In reply to Post #1271
Because the biggest take away from the situation of a trailer was that the line itself is the number 1 safety issue. Provides fuel for the fire of the anti fishing brigade. Never seen a magic twig in the flesh before but could understand the concerns of people. Having now seen the footage, it's no more of a risk than pretty much any other set up.
When you think about it logically, when playing a fish through weed, once whatever your chosen lead setup is has collected the initial clump of weed, any other weed collected is just gathering around the initial small clump. That's no different to it getting caught on top of a heli safe, top of tubing, round a lead clip or anything else.
I don't understand the people with the attitude of he's just trying to line his pockets/why the need for a mk2 if it's safe etc. It's a bloody business and as such, yes, they want to make money. The same as any other company in the entire world. How many other items of tackle are released that work fine and then a short while later a new version is released?
I also don't understand the whole 'I don't like hamidi so ******** to OMC' thing and don't get why it matters? Do people think all the biggest corporations in the world are made up of people you like? I've never once thought to myself whilst buying a TV 'I bet the bloke who developed this is a ***** so I'm not going to buy it'. Seems very odd to me and something that I only really see to this degree in carp fishing.
I don't really care for the weird names of the products, it's all a bit confusing to me and Ali obviously has a big personality that probably isn't my cup of tea. But I bet i could still have a pint with him and have a nice time? I don't think I've ever met a fisherman I couldn't talk to? We've all got that mutual interest that seems to ignite many a happy conversation.
Because the biggest take away from the situation of a trailer was that the line itself is the number 1 safety issue. Provides fuel for the fire of the anti fishing brigade. Never seen a magic twig in the flesh before but could understand the concerns of people. Having now seen the footage, it's no more of a risk than pretty much any other set up.
When you think about it logically, when playing a fish through weed, once whatever your chosen lead setup is has collected the initial clump of weed, any other weed collected is just gathering around the initial small clump. That's no different to it getting caught on top of a heli safe, top of tubing, round a lead clip or anything else.
I don't understand the people with the attitude of he's just trying to line his pockets/why the need for a mk2 if it's safe etc. It's a bloody business and as such, yes, they want to make money. The same as any other company in the entire world. How many other items of tackle are released that work fine and then a short while later a new version is released?
I also don't understand the whole 'I don't like hamidi so ******** to OMC' thing and don't get why it matters? Do people think all the biggest corporations in the world are made up of people you like? I've never once thought to myself whilst buying a TV 'I bet the bloke who developed this is a ***** so I'm not going to buy it'. Seems very odd to me and something that I only really see to this degree in carp fishing.
I don't really care for the weird names of the products, it's all a bit confusing to me and Ali obviously has a big personality that probably isn't my cup of tea. But I bet i could still have a pint with him and have a nice time? I don't think I've ever met a fisherman I couldn't talk to? We've all got that mutual interest that seems to ignite many a happy conversation.
In reply to Post #1276
His company targets a certain demographic with the products they bring out, I don't fit into this.
His company targets a certain demographic with the products they bring out, I don't fit into this.
In reply to Post #1277
Anyone who thinks that adding a plastic product via 2 extra swivels in the setup offeres no more problems to a normal leadclip rig is wrong by a long way because it does . Wether it has caused issues yet is irrelevant because many lakes have banned it so reports of it happening will not be available , it's not for me but I don't suppose Ali will lose sleep over that 😁.
Regards the other products , I was looking forward to more choice and new items , but tbh most are just copy's of existing stuff , although a couple of their kickers were just what I was looking for but that ain't going to make him rich . It's hard to re invent the wheel , we use lines , hooks , just variants but it's about choices .
Anyone who thinks that adding a plastic product via 2 extra swivels in the setup offeres no more problems to a normal leadclip rig is wrong by a long way because it does . Wether it has caused issues yet is irrelevant because many lakes have banned it so reports of it happening will not be available , it's not for me but I don't suppose Ali will lose sleep over that 😁.
Regards the other products , I was looking forward to more choice and new items , but tbh most are just copy's of existing stuff , although a couple of their kickers were just what I was looking for but that ain't going to make him rich . It's hard to re invent the wheel , we use lines , hooks , just variants but it's about choices .
In reply to Post #1276
I think that sums it up really. I was fishing on the top with a ESP Surface missile 2 Fridays ago and even as streamlined as it is it still picked up and clumped weed, weed which can make any rig a death rig trap by clogging the line. I've posted this many times on the forum but you take rig tubing, snap the mainline off a decent way from it and try pulling the rig free..barely gets a mention and lots of folks inluding me use rig tubing at times.
People say the twig is banned here there and everywhere but when browsing Ebay and I come accross it, it's always sold well in the sold numbers, so it is appealing to a someone and OMC have their sales. To contradict that, I recently had a sales e-mail from a company and the 1st x pages were OMC, for whatever reason.
I can't help but think anglings changing, the Carp is the end of a process, and the process is being made more important than the Carp. The vidoes where they hold the Carp for 3 minutes to camera describing the process, wtf, I'd like to hold them underwater for the same time, see how stressed they get. If the antis wanted any purported proof of cruelty it's there and it's everywhere, in nearly all the vids.
Angling used to be about the whole experience, now it's heads down, powerbank on head in phone all day checking social media for the next big thing that will catch more Carp, those are the anglers OMC is targeting. I can't help but think Ali is one step ahead again marketing wise and while it doesn't appeal to older anglers the youth are the future and they don't care what anyone thinks, more power to them. I guess time will tell, without being too pesimistic, the angling market is a tough one to crack, will OMC manage it, or enough of a portion of it to survive, I guess time will tell.
I think that sums it up really. I was fishing on the top with a ESP Surface missile 2 Fridays ago and even as streamlined as it is it still picked up and clumped weed, weed which can make any rig a death rig trap by clogging the line. I've posted this many times on the forum but you take rig tubing, snap the mainline off a decent way from it and try pulling the rig free..barely gets a mention and lots of folks inluding me use rig tubing at times.
People say the twig is banned here there and everywhere but when browsing Ebay and I come accross it, it's always sold well in the sold numbers, so it is appealing to a someone and OMC have their sales. To contradict that, I recently had a sales e-mail from a company and the 1st x pages were OMC, for whatever reason.
I can't help but think anglings changing, the Carp is the end of a process, and the process is being made more important than the Carp. The vidoes where they hold the Carp for 3 minutes to camera describing the process, wtf, I'd like to hold them underwater for the same time, see how stressed they get. If the antis wanted any purported proof of cruelty it's there and it's everywhere, in nearly all the vids.
Angling used to be about the whole experience, now it's heads down, powerbank on head in phone all day checking social media for the next big thing that will catch more Carp, those are the anglers OMC is targeting. I can't help but think Ali is one step ahead again marketing wise and while it doesn't appeal to older anglers the youth are the future and they don't care what anyone thinks, more power to them. I guess time will tell, without being too pesimistic, the angling market is a tough one to crack, will OMC manage it, or enough of a portion of it to survive, I guess time will tell.
I think it is necessary to be able to separate the product from the person.
Ali is brash, loud and in your face, in fact everything that I am not, so I can't identify with him but do not dislike him. I've never met him so have no reason to. I thought the tears were a bit over the top but hardly a world shattering event.
I don't like the product regardless of which company markets it. Every company has good, not so good and occasionally really **** products. I don't see the need for this product, don't like it's construction so it doesn't have a place in my tackle box, along with a lot of other products. Whether it can be proved 100% safe would not make me want to buy it. I just don't need it.
I posted on this thread in the early 100's posts that the inventor ( who has gone well below the radar since selling it to OMC) said the device was dreamed up when he thought “ what can I make that will strike for me whilst I'm tucked up safe and warm in my bivvy.” That comment says all I need to know for it not to be in my tacklebox.
Ali is brash, loud and in your face, in fact everything that I am not, so I can't identify with him but do not dislike him. I've never met him so have no reason to. I thought the tears were a bit over the top but hardly a world shattering event.
I don't like the product regardless of which company markets it. Every company has good, not so good and occasionally really **** products. I don't see the need for this product, don't like it's construction so it doesn't have a place in my tackle box, along with a lot of other products. Whether it can be proved 100% safe would not make me want to buy it. I just don't need it.
I posted on this thread in the early 100's posts that the inventor ( who has gone well below the radar since selling it to OMC) said the device was dreamed up when he thought “ what can I make that will strike for me whilst I'm tucked up safe and warm in my bivvy.” That comment says all I need to know for it not to be in my tacklebox.
In reply to Post #1279
Well said . . .
38 pages of posts just add to the mans marketing proficiency; seems a whole generation has been born that thrives off drama and he knows exactly how to manipulate it. . .he pretty much admits this when waffling on about his annoyingly off-centre (disturbs my OCD) Mr T mohican . . .looks more like an overgrown brazilian to me
The facts are -
1 - Its only fishing
2 - We all have a choice; buy one or don't
Well said . . .
38 pages of posts just add to the mans marketing proficiency; seems a whole generation has been born that thrives off drama and he knows exactly how to manipulate it. . .he pretty much admits this when waffling on about his annoyingly off-centre (disturbs my OCD) Mr T mohican . . .looks more like an overgrown brazilian to me
The facts are -
1 - Its only fishing
2 - We all have a choice; buy one or don't
In reply to Post #1281
I think the days of 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' are long gone. Most lakes banned the twig, this pretty much proves my point. It won't sell as much if you can't use it on most venues.
I think the days of 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' are long gone. Most lakes banned the twig, this pretty much proves my point. It won't sell as much if you can't use it on most venues.
Just Seems to be flogging a dead horse to me, anything to get it into the market.
Sometimes “you” need to let it go.
Sometimes “you” need to let it go.
In reply to Post #1255
"All the fisheries that banned the Magic Twig are now going to have to ban the Magic Wand as well."
That would depend on the wording of their ban. Personally I banned all
self striking rigs after seeing what other worse monstrosities were out
there on the internet.
One of the main reasons for banning them is that having a rig that
potentially acts like a mousetrap just didn't sit well with me.
"All the fisheries that banned the Magic Twig are now going to have to ban the Magic Wand as well."
That would depend on the wording of their ban. Personally I banned all
self striking rigs after seeing what other worse monstrosities were out
there on the internet.
One of the main reasons for banning them is that having a rig that
potentially acts like a mousetrap just didn't sit well with me.
In reply to Post #1282
The guy is proof of how to build a brand from zip to a 1st division player in a fraction of the time any of the other also rans have taken . . .irrespective of whether anyone hates or rates one or ten of his products, he's got a consistently increasing amount of shelf space at AD and people are talking about OMC . . .fishing is the side show; sales and brand affiliation is the key
The guy is proof of how to build a brand from zip to a 1st division player in a fraction of the time any of the other also rans have taken . . .irrespective of whether anyone hates or rates one or ten of his products, he's got a consistently increasing amount of shelf space at AD and people are talking about OMC . . .fishing is the side show; sales and brand affiliation is the key
In reply to Post #1285
He was given £1 million investment by the owner of ted baker. I would argue half of the lads on here could do a better job with that backing.
He was given £1 million investment by the owner of ted baker. I would argue half of the lads on here could do a better job with that backing.
In reply to Post #1286
With all due respect . . .£1M in a competitive market is a drop in the ocean; his owners will be tracking their return on investment on a daily basis - and with the utmost respect to the lads on here . . . . . . . . .
With all due respect . . .£1M in a competitive market is a drop in the ocean; his owners will be tracking their return on investment on a daily basis - and with the utmost respect to the lads on here . . . . . . . . .
In reply to Post #1287
Half of them would've spent it on tin foil hats, bully xl's and ivermectin.
Half of them would've spent it on tin foil hats, bully xl's and ivermectin.
In reply to Post #1288
Bit harsh . . (but probably fair) . . .
Bit harsh . . (but probably fair) . . .
In reply to Post #1288
DP twerp
DP twerp
In reply to Post #1286
From Ray Kelvin whom left ted baker amid claims of inappropriate behaviour towards staff.
Not the best advertisement...
From Ray Kelvin whom left ted baker amid claims of inappropriate behaviour towards staff.
Not the best advertisement...
In reply to Post #1288
In reply to Post #1288
Or a lack of gullible trust in professional liars and an ability to acknowledge the truth when it is eventually allowed to be presented.
Boosted much ? Good lad.
Or a lack of gullible trust in professional liars and an ability to acknowledge the truth when it is eventually allowed to be presented.
Boosted much ? Good lad.
In reply to Post #1293
Why are the ones that call everyone snowflakes so easily triggered by anything vaguely critical/observationally correct 😂
Yep, fully boosted, being tracked by the Deep Bait (iykyk) 5G network and my DNA is being mutated as we speak. Baaaaaaasaaa!
Why are the ones that call everyone snowflakes so easily triggered by anything vaguely critical/observationally correct 😂
Yep, fully boosted, being tracked by the Deep Bait (iykyk) 5G network and my DNA is being mutated as we speak. Baaaaaaasaaa!
In reply to Post #1294
Q.E.D.
Q.E.D.
Well, watched it and I'm erring on Alis side re the twig and the new wand, no more or less dangerous than what's already out there imo, let alone that trailer line snagging. One aspect of it that's sticking in my head is the extending bit re if it snags but again I don't think that's a issue, that's just me with memories of the early elasticated feeders in coarse fishing that were death traps and got banned, quite right too!
Any issues in the net are down to poor angling not the product, it can happen with lead clips and at times even leads can get through the mesh, let alone hooks getting caught up.
Full kudos for changing the design, (I wasn't born yesterday), I can't see any reason for folks not to give it a go. I would like to know if the little wings give as easily under pressure.
Personally it's not for me, stuck in my ways, but if I were on a water where I was losing out to those using it I might give it a go.
As a aside, and a direct concequence of watching the vid (he wins...lol) I went on E-bay to look at those hooks, he's not wrong re fast selling, one seller alone near 5000 sales, but are they any good!
Any issues in the net are down to poor angling not the product, it can happen with lead clips and at times even leads can get through the mesh, let alone hooks getting caught up.
Full kudos for changing the design, (I wasn't born yesterday), I can't see any reason for folks not to give it a go. I would like to know if the little wings give as easily under pressure.
Personally it's not for me, stuck in my ways, but if I were on a water where I was losing out to those using it I might give it a go.
As a aside, and a direct concequence of watching the vid (he wins...lol) I went on E-bay to look at those hooks, he's not wrong re fast selling, one seller alone near 5000 sales, but are they any good!
In reply to Post #1296
I still don't think that anyone will ever lose out to people who are using it.
It still (in my mind at least) addresses an issue that doesn't exist
I still don't think that anyone will ever lose out to people who are using it.
It still (in my mind at least) addresses an issue that doesn't exist
In reply to Post #1296
At a glance, I thought the hook looked good. Need to get a packet and compare against a Krank.
At a glance, I thought the hook looked good. Need to get a packet and compare against a Krank.
In reply to Post #1298
I'm a big fan of the Krank and that's what caught my eye with the Lock, like the straight point, costs a bit more though!
I'm a big fan of the Krank and that's what caught my eye with the Lock, like the straight point, costs a bit more though!
In reply to Post #1299
If its the lock hooks don't bother,the points blunt too easily
If its the lock hooks don't bother,the points blunt too easily
In reply to Post #1300
That's not good! On the subject of hook blunting I watched a video (full 360 deg in river camera) by The Ginger Fisherman a few weeks back, sat there thinking modern Carp anglers would have kittens watching this, they'd have replaced that hook multiple times, never mind the presentation
If your bored watch it by clicking here it's a good watch...the amount of times I said he'll have it now.....no!
That's not good! On the subject of hook blunting I watched a video (full 360 deg in river camera) by The Ginger Fisherman a few weeks back, sat there thinking modern Carp anglers would have kittens watching this, they'd have replaced that hook multiple times, never mind the presentation
If your bored watch it by clicking here it's a good watch...the amount of times I said he'll have it now.....no!
In reply to Post #1295
A slightly **** Australian 80's band. Are they involved as well?
A slightly **** Australian 80's band. Are they involved as well?
In reply to Post #1302
It's a clever thing , when you brain will never know if you caught a fish because you used a twig or not 🤔 , because you can't prove it one way or the other 👍
It's a clever thing , when you brain will never know if you caught a fish because you used a twig or not 🤔 , because you can't prove it one way or the other 👍
In reply to Post #1301
I watch him alot,really good angler and catches a fair few along the way
I watch him alot,really good angler and catches a fair few along the way
I still can't get past what activates it, I watched the video and it's the hooklentgh being straightened under pressure releases the and activates the mechanism like a mouse trap....surely for the fish to put enough pressure on the device the fish is hooked, the device then drives the hook home causing them to bolt as it scares the **** out of them and therefore a one toner....but surely the fish was hooked before the device is activated.
In reply to Post #1305
Hence my post , you can't prove it one way or another while you are fishing.
Hence my post , you can't prove it one way or another while you are fishing.
In reply to Post #1302
I thought they made hifi connecting cables
I thought they made hifi connecting cables
In reply to Post #1286
At the end of the day, we're talking about a brand with zero notable items of tackle, being funded by shady affiliates, fronted by an over excitable chap with a mohawk who waxes lyrical yet produces absolutely nothing of substance, apart from one dangerous item which gave an unwarranted level of confidence to a level of angler that this industry has produced and encouraged.
That's Carp Angling in 2024, Bruv.
At the end of the day, we're talking about a brand with zero notable items of tackle, being funded by shady affiliates, fronted by an over excitable chap with a mohawk who waxes lyrical yet produces absolutely nothing of substance, apart from one dangerous item which gave an unwarranted level of confidence to a level of angler that this industry has produced and encouraged.
That's Carp Angling in 2024, Bruv.
In reply to Post #1308
Agreed , marketing .
Agreed , marketing .
''At the end of the day, we're talking about a brand with zero notable items of tackle, being funded by shady affiliates, fronted by an over excitable chap with a mohawk who waxes lyrical yet produces absolutely nothing of substance, apart from one dangerous item which gave an unwarranted level of confidence to a level of angler that this industry has produced and encouraged.
That's Carp Angling in 2024, Bruv. ''
And to top it off he's a Liverpool fan.....
That's Carp Angling in 2024, Bruv. ''
And to top it off he's a Liverpool fan.....
whatever peoples opinions .... there is definately seems to be a mellowing of hate towards this, and even the start of a swing in favour of Ali/wand since the latest film (ive not seen it)
In reply to Post #1311
you're right, there's a big following...im not sure if most of these are fan boys that always were on board and the type of angler hamidi is targeting, on todber manors fb page there's alot of love for it...
you're right, there's a big following...im not sure if most of these are fan boys that always were on board and the type of angler hamidi is targeting, on todber manors fb page there's alot of love for it...
If catching a fish means that much to you that you need to even think about using a contraption like this then go ahead .
But seriously you need to think whether fishing is actually for you..
But seriously you need to think whether fishing is actually for you..
In reply to Post #1313
there's plenty out there unfortunately, I. not sure what's going through their heads to even consider it
there's plenty out there unfortunately, I. not sure what's going through their heads to even consider it
I still don't buy into his notion that the twig is a safe rig and if ali really thought it was a safe rig why spend a considerable amount of money developing a "mk2" version?
I'm also of the opinion that the newer wand version along with the original twig is an unneeded item of tackle.
I'm also of the opinion that the newer wand version along with the original twig is an unneeded item of tackle.
In reply to Post #1313
Fishing is different things to different people, as long as the fish don't suffer it's got nothing to do with me what they're using to enjoy their hobby.
Fishing is different things to different people, as long as the fish don't suffer it's got nothing to do with me what they're using to enjoy their hobby.
In reply to Post #1313
Loosely speaking, there are two types of angler. Those who watch Passion for Angling/Whitehouse and Mortimer, and those who buy the magic twig.
Ali can do what he wants, I didn't really mind him until he went completely over the top with that ‘haircut' and increasingly frantic social media swamping. I just unfollowed him and OMC though rather than care about it, I'm just not the demographic he's after but plenty are.
Loosely speaking, there are two types of angler. Those who watch Passion for Angling/Whitehouse and Mortimer, and those who buy the magic twig.
Ali can do what he wants, I didn't really mind him until he went completely over the top with that ‘haircut' and increasingly frantic social media swamping. I just unfollowed him and OMC though rather than care about it, I'm just not the demographic he's after but plenty are.
In reply to Post #1315
Lots of videos from omc showing carp that are hooked and bolting and it's not even triggered.
A crock of shyte.
Lots of videos from omc showing carp that are hooked and bolting and it's not even triggered.
A crock of shyte.
In reply to Post #1318
Yes i totally agree with you
Yes i totally agree with you
In reply to Post #1314
Smash anglers ............. Just add water .
Smash anglers ............. Just add water .
In reply to Post #1313
Not aimed at you, but generally to your point..
With the assumption that both are safe, which contraption is a bigger departure from traditional course fishing towards catch at call costs..
A small piece of plastic that by general consensus on here does very little, if anything to aid hooking and in turn catching a fish.
A plastic remote controlled boat that allows anybody to drop a bait anywhere on a lake with satellite guided accuracy. The fish are no longer alerted by casting, can be located using sonar and areas that would be unfishable with rod and line and were previously completely safe refuge are now fair game..
Not aimed at you, but generally to your point..
With the assumption that both are safe, which contraption is a bigger departure from traditional course fishing towards catch at call costs..
A small piece of plastic that by general consensus on here does very little, if anything to aid hooking and in turn catching a fish.
A plastic remote controlled boat that allows anybody to drop a bait anywhere on a lake with satellite guided accuracy. The fish are no longer alerted by casting, can be located using sonar and areas that would be unfishable with rod and line and were previously completely safe refuge are now fair game..
In reply to Post #1318
Spot on.
Spot on.
In reply to Post #1321
Very good example of hypocrisy......
Very good example of hypocrisy......
In reply to Post #1321
My question is
is this kind of thing necessary in angling in the first place.
What does this actually offer the angler generally
Like you say There is still the second point in, does it actually work anyway?
I certainly wouldn't be paying £5 a pop for one anyway.
I have no problem with a bait boat. A bait boat can help a disabled person to get out on the bank, an underwater camera on a boat is a different kettle of fish.
whilst people are talking about the twig then it's doing its job isn't it.
Both are banned on my club lakes so I personally don't have to worry about either.
My question is
is this kind of thing necessary in angling in the first place.
What does this actually offer the angler generally
Like you say There is still the second point in, does it actually work anyway?
I certainly wouldn't be paying £5 a pop for one anyway.
I have no problem with a bait boat. A bait boat can help a disabled person to get out on the bank, an underwater camera on a boat is a different kettle of fish.
whilst people are talking about the twig then it's doing its job isn't it.
Both are banned on my club lakes so I personally don't have to worry about either.
In reply to Post #1324
It's aimed at Facebook / tictok anglers who hope to shortcut success , because as iv posted before you can never know if you have caught because of using it or not as the trap will be sprung 🤔.
The situation with a twig is there could be 5 swivels of different sizes on some rigs , that can't be good .
He won't get rich through me , but there are people that are buying them so he won't worry about it . I can see through the emperor's new clothes .
It's aimed at Facebook / tictok anglers who hope to shortcut success , because as iv posted before you can never know if you have caught because of using it or not as the trap will be sprung 🤔.
The situation with a twig is there could be 5 swivels of different sizes on some rigs , that can't be good .
He won't get rich through me , but there are people that are buying them so he won't worry about it . I can see through the emperor's new clothes .
Desperate tackle for desperate people who fish ,I'll not use the word angler..
It's all about money ..sales,media exposure ..
It's all about money ..sales,media exposure ..
In reply to Post #1323
Exactly that and Beyonce post, I was going to put something similar in my earlier post
Imagine a convo with a none angler
What does that do mate (twig/wand) ...I get it.
How much is that bait boat...7k...jaw hits the floor
How much are those reels...3K...look of utter bewilderment
Yet we post from our ivory towers about a aid to angling yet a traditionalist would call us out too, where does it stop. The comment about those watching certain programmes is exactly right, it's a mentality and there is, in my mind, a traditional modern angler, this forum has lots of them. I fit i to that category but I won't critique the Tiktok generation, who am I to say what's right if fish safety isn't compromised.
Exactly that and Beyonce post, I was going to put something similar in my earlier post
Imagine a convo with a none angler
What does that do mate (twig/wand) ...I get it.
How much is that bait boat...7k...jaw hits the floor
How much are those reels...3K...look of utter bewilderment
Yet we post from our ivory towers about a aid to angling yet a traditionalist would call us out too, where does it stop. The comment about those watching certain programmes is exactly right, it's a mentality and there is, in my mind, a traditional modern angler, this forum has lots of them. I fit i to that category but I won't critique the Tiktok generation, who am I to say what's right if fish safety isn't compromised.
In reply to Post #1324
I got no problem with a bait boat that can help a disabled person, just not happy that some instant angler that can't cast using one.
I got no problem with a bait boat that can help a disabled person, just not happy that some instant angler that can't cast using one.
In reply to Post #1328
What if I've been fishing for years, but a bit **** at casting? Why should I be disadvantaged against the disabled angler next to me?
What if I've been fishing for years, but a bit **** at casting? Why should I be disadvantaged against the disabled angler next to me?
In reply to Post #1329
Even if you are brilliant at casting the person with a bait boat still has 50% more chance of catching.
I think you should say if you used a boat when posting catches. 🙂
Even if you are brilliant at casting the person with a bait boat still has 50% more chance of catching.
I think you should say if you used a boat when posting catches. 🙂
In reply to Post #1330
50% - ? Where did you get that from - statsrus.com?
A boat is only any good if you sail it to where you believe the fish are / might be - the same applies to casting . . . on my lake I'm an average angler, can cast to every spot but still use a boat by choice because I want to. My catch rate is distinctly average; there are better anglers who don't use boats that catch more, and noddier anlgers that do use boats that catch less . .
Work that one out
PS. No-one uses twigs or waves magic wands however . .
50% - ? Where did you get that from - statsrus.com?
A boat is only any good if you sail it to where you believe the fish are / might be - the same applies to casting . . . on my lake I'm an average angler, can cast to every spot but still use a boat by choice because I want to. My catch rate is distinctly average; there are better anglers who don't use boats that catch more, and noddier anlgers that do use boats that catch less . .
Work that one out
PS. No-one uses twigs or waves magic wands however . .
In reply to Post #1328
I suppose it depends on your own moral compass
And where you draw the line
Throwing sticks
Baiting poles
Bite alarms
Drones
Carbon rods
Maybe I'm just too old
I suppose it depends on your own moral compass
And where you draw the line
Throwing sticks
Baiting poles
Bite alarms
Drones
Carbon rods
Maybe I'm just too old
In reply to Post #1332
Even good old TH uses a baitboat 😜
Iv not really commented about it's safety , other than it's an extra bit of plastic the wrong side of a leadclip , adding 2 extra swivels at least to the rig . Personally it a moral thing , it's one clever dick away from coming out with a super version , or 2 added together, or variants that step over the line further.
Even good old TH uses a baitboat 😜
Iv not really commented about it's safety , other than it's an extra bit of plastic the wrong side of a leadclip , adding 2 extra swivels at least to the rig . Personally it a moral thing , it's one clever dick away from coming out with a super version , or 2 added together, or variants that step over the line further.
My water has just confirmed the wand is fine so I'm going to give it a bash........
When the magic twig came out I decided I would never purchase a product from OMC.
And that's my standpoint.
And that's my standpoint.
In reply to Post #1335
Same here. Won't watch anything they have done on YouTube since either
Same here. Won't watch anything they have done on YouTube since either
In reply to Post #1332
'm no saint either, and i don't know where exactly to draw the line, but i do know the likes of hamidi and all he represents are way over it and will sooner rather than later kill our hobby. Either because all waters are chavishized and you just don't want to be there or the ethical dilemma of fishing (for fun) is becoming so blatant that i will have to admit the anti's have more than just a valid point.
'm no saint either, and i don't know where exactly to draw the line, but i do know the likes of hamidi and all he represents are way over it and will sooner rather than later kill our hobby. Either because all waters are chavishized and you just don't want to be there or the ethical dilemma of fishing (for fun) is becoming so blatant that i will have to admit the anti's have more than just a valid point.
In reply to Post #1332
Don't forget the fixed spool reel, Mr Crabtree is emphatic in his condemnation of how it reduces the skill necessary to fish effectively. Jus' sayin'.
Don't forget the fixed spool reel, Mr Crabtree is emphatic in his condemnation of how it reduces the skill necessary to fish effectively. Jus' sayin'.
I saw the rebrand on YT to the wand (well mk2 anyway) and when I've said anything about it being dangerous I got a bit of stick from the fan boys,but I will never use this and like others have said I'll stick to catching my 6 fish and above a year which I'm than happy with on a public lake or my local canal my way not by using this 💩
Why the deleted posts?
In reply to Post #1318
I agree, and sadly, this factor had been missed.
I agree, and sadly, this factor had been missed.
In reply to Post #1341
Quote.... Why the deleted posts?
I saw what you posted. Nail on the head I thought
Quote.... Why the deleted posts?
I saw what you posted. Nail on the head I thought
In reply to Post #1341
No idea why a post was deleted.
Would either have been a slip of the finger by a MOD on their mobile, or they didn't like the post.
I might go rummage in the database later and find the post...maybe even undelete it, depends on it's content.
No idea why a post was deleted.
Would either have been a slip of the finger by a MOD on their mobile, or they didn't like the post.
I might go rummage in the database later and find the post...maybe even undelete it, depends on it's content.
So I assume there is a new version - will the weed rake still be avaliable?
In reply to Post #1345
The new version addresses the arms sticking out , and I think the original will disappear. Not for me , but I'm sure his target will buy it .
The new version addresses the arms sticking out , and I think the original will disappear. Not for me , but I'm sure his target will buy it .
In reply to Post #1346
https://youtu.be/6ob0bPdF54I?si=_atYjsyWjAH9lI3O
Worth a look
https://youtu.be/6ob0bPdF54I?si=_atYjsyWjAH9lI3O
Worth a look
In reply to Post #1347
Just watched that. Danny done well to do that whole video with a French accent
spotted this video too
Just watched that. Danny done well to do that whole video with a French accent
spotted this video too
In reply to Post #1348
It does not get any better. I can't get over that recent video. I never watch stuff like that normally, but BenB is Ali's new best mate/field tester now so I had to have a little watch. Well funny. Even without the stupid weed rake arms, that despite what he says about folding back against the fish would do massive damage to a big carp charging through weed on the bite. Sometimes in heavy weed even a lead clip is to much. Those things are massive, with a clip too. Even without those arms, a great big plastic object in front of a lead clip is simply far to much. It's the fact that he cannot see that he is wrong. That is what gets me more than anything. Despite every sensible fishery in the UK banning it, he still comes back fighting with a MK2 and everyone is simply wrong.
When your own industry in droves is telling you no, surely you have to at some point sit back and say to yourself... "Maybe I'm not looking at this objectively, lots of money involved". But none of it. Blinkers on, everyone else is wrong, and here is the MK2 now we have sold all the MK1. Ballsy, I'll give him that.
I understand that there are backers and it's business, but jeez.
The actual concept of a buffer is a brilliant one. Forget the self hooking part that means it has to be massive, make it smaller and combined WITH a clip. One product.
I'd buy it.
It does not get any better. I can't get over that recent video. I never watch stuff like that normally, but BenB is Ali's new best mate/field tester now so I had to have a little watch. Well funny. Even without the stupid weed rake arms, that despite what he says about folding back against the fish would do massive damage to a big carp charging through weed on the bite. Sometimes in heavy weed even a lead clip is to much. Those things are massive, with a clip too. Even without those arms, a great big plastic object in front of a lead clip is simply far to much. It's the fact that he cannot see that he is wrong. That is what gets me more than anything. Despite every sensible fishery in the UK banning it, he still comes back fighting with a MK2 and everyone is simply wrong.
When your own industry in droves is telling you no, surely you have to at some point sit back and say to yourself... "Maybe I'm not looking at this objectively, lots of money involved". But none of it. Blinkers on, everyone else is wrong, and here is the MK2 now we have sold all the MK1. Ballsy, I'll give him that.
I understand that there are backers and it's business, but jeez.
The actual concept of a buffer is a brilliant one. Forget the self hooking part that means it has to be massive, make it smaller and combined WITH a clip. One product.
I'd buy it.
In reply to Post #1349
I'd buy 3 , link them all together and would go off like a machine gun 😜.
Tongue in cheek , but do you think someone has not thought of something like that , the variants on this could be worse than the original, Temu will kill it
I'd buy 3 , link them all together and would go off like a machine gun 😜.
Tongue in cheek , but do you think someone has not thought of something like that , the variants on this could be worse than the original, Temu will kill it
In reply to Post #1350
I know that it's an abomination. I completely understand that.
I'm not sure you quite grasped what I was saying here....."The actual concept of a buffer is a brilliant one. Forget the self hooking part that means it has to be massive, make it smaller and combined WITH a clip. One product."
If that is what came out in the first place, a slightly larger than normal lead clip, with the buffer part from that thing AFTER the 'supposedly' self hooking part has gone off. Internal, no silly arms, no self hooking system... Just that buffer to help keep the hook in and stop it being shook out during the fight. That's a brilliant concept. Not his concept, I think that is Steve Reynards Hermit rig. But if that is what came out from them in production, I think he would have killed it.
I would have purchased that above.
That is not what has happened. Of course Temu will rip the Twig off. Of course this is horrifying. I was actually trying to be nice about it all. My comments about Ben were tongue in cheek too
I know that it's an abomination. I completely understand that.
I'm not sure you quite grasped what I was saying here....."The actual concept of a buffer is a brilliant one. Forget the self hooking part that means it has to be massive, make it smaller and combined WITH a clip. One product."
If that is what came out in the first place, a slightly larger than normal lead clip, with the buffer part from that thing AFTER the 'supposedly' self hooking part has gone off. Internal, no silly arms, no self hooking system... Just that buffer to help keep the hook in and stop it being shook out during the fight. That's a brilliant concept. Not his concept, I think that is Steve Reynards Hermit rig. But if that is what came out from them in production, I think he would have killed it.
I would have purchased that above.
That is not what has happened. Of course Temu will rip the Twig off. Of course this is horrifying. I was actually trying to be nice about it all. My comments about Ben were tongue in cheek too
In reply to Post #1351
So, artificially aiding hooking isn't o.k but artificially aiding hook retention is..degrees of difference, anglers minds are magical places
EDIT, I want them to bring in those auto fighting sea reels to the coarse scene, no problem keeping hooks in then.
So, artificially aiding hooking isn't o.k but artificially aiding hook retention is..degrees of difference, anglers minds are magical places
EDIT, I want them to bring in those auto fighting sea reels to the coarse scene, no problem keeping hooks in then.
In reply to Post #1352
Again, in your haste to argue with me and impress you little pals, you don't even understand what's being said.
The problem is the size of the Twig and added lead clip. Removing the self hooking part makes the contraption much smaller, alleviating that size when a fish charges through a weedbed on the bite. The contraption is so big, with extended arms pointing the wrong way. Nothing to do with ethics as you are trying to say. All to do with the size of the contraption itself. Does the action of your rod which keeps the hook in count too? Jeez.
Serious subject. I should not have commented. You carry on old boy.
Again, in your haste to argue with me and impress you little pals, you don't even understand what's being said.
The problem is the size of the Twig and added lead clip. Removing the self hooking part makes the contraption much smaller, alleviating that size when a fish charges through a weedbed on the bite. The contraption is so big, with extended arms pointing the wrong way. Nothing to do with ethics as you are trying to say. All to do with the size of the contraption itself. Does the action of your rod which keeps the hook in count too? Jeez.
Serious subject. I should not have commented. You carry on old boy.
In reply to Post #1353
Again...haste...my pals...old boy..wth...I understand fully but thanks for your observation.
I was actually commenting on your upgraded (quote brilliant) idea, you know the smaller one without arms, just the buffering effect, the one I directly replied too..but you woudn't let that stop you trying to have a pop, would you.
Every month near as dammit you throw a hissy fit and everyone who dares to disagree with you gets it in the neck and is in cahoots with everyone else who you disagree with, who's next. You mainly keep your diatribe to the bait section but now you're spamming and throwing inuendos here too. You make people not want to post through fear of what you'll come out with next.
You mentioned you'd keep to the bait section but it isn't enough for you is it, no one wanting to play in there anymore so you couldn't resist.
How many more people are you going to try and bully off the forum, and more importantly, get away with it.
Again...haste...my pals...old boy..wth...I understand fully but thanks for your observation.
I was actually commenting on your upgraded (quote brilliant) idea, you know the smaller one without arms, just the buffering effect, the one I directly replied too..but you woudn't let that stop you trying to have a pop, would you.
Every month near as dammit you throw a hissy fit and everyone who dares to disagree with you gets it in the neck and is in cahoots with everyone else who you disagree with, who's next. You mainly keep your diatribe to the bait section but now you're spamming and throwing inuendos here too. You make people not want to post through fear of what you'll come out with next.
You mentioned you'd keep to the bait section but it isn't enough for you is it, no one wanting to play in there anymore so you couldn't resist.
How many more people are you going to try and bully off the forum, and more importantly, get away with it.
In reply to Post #1354
Quote... You mentioned you'd keep to the bait section but it isn't enough for you is it, no one wanting to play in there anymore so you couldn't resist.
What are you waffling on about? I made a comment on a thread about the Twig. You have come and directly quoted me, with laughing faces, trying to be smarmy and clever. Because you are a silly old sausage, you don't even understand what is even being spoken about. So I've explained it for you. Now you have the ump.
You are telling me where I am allowed to post now? Thanks forum policeman. I'll bear it in mind next time. This is exactly why I stay in the SHB thread. This right here promo team member.
Quote... You mentioned you'd keep to the bait section but it isn't enough for you is it, no one wanting to play in there anymore so you couldn't resist.
What are you waffling on about? I made a comment on a thread about the Twig. You have come and directly quoted me, with laughing faces, trying to be smarmy and clever. Because you are a silly old sausage, you don't even understand what is even being spoken about. So I've explained it for you. Now you have the ump.
You are telling me where I am allowed to post now? Thanks forum policeman. I'll bear it in mind next time. This is exactly why I stay in the SHB thread. This right here promo team member.
In reply to Post #1354
Quote...You mainly keep your diatribe to the bait section but now you're spamming and throwing inuendos here too.
Could you explain to me also how my comments in this thread about a serious issue, are spamming? You are talking absolute rubbish and making it up as you go along. You came here after my post about the Twig, because you wanted this argument. Pure and simple. I'm not replying to you. I'm certainly not telling you where you can and cannot post. You clearly did not even read the previous posts, you had something else on your mind eh.
I stick to the SHB thread, because you lot and your ilk will not do this on there. You will get jogged on if you do and you already know it. So now, you will just do this, if I post anywhere else. Just like right now for all to plainly see.
You have diverted this. Because you wanted too. I hope you get some free method mix for it or something nice like that. Keep up the great work. In a few weeks if you do really well, you might even get a few strips of bait stops chucked in too. I should not have posted in this thread. Should have known that one of you would be all over me instantly.
Look at what you did. You are saying that you knew what reaction you would get. So why did you do it, apart from to cause trouble? Well done.
Quote...You mainly keep your diatribe to the bait section but now you're spamming and throwing inuendos here too.
Could you explain to me also how my comments in this thread about a serious issue, are spamming? You are talking absolute rubbish and making it up as you go along. You came here after my post about the Twig, because you wanted this argument. Pure and simple. I'm not replying to you. I'm certainly not telling you where you can and cannot post. You clearly did not even read the previous posts, you had something else on your mind eh.
I stick to the SHB thread, because you lot and your ilk will not do this on there. You will get jogged on if you do and you already know it. So now, you will just do this, if I post anywhere else. Just like right now for all to plainly see.
You have diverted this. Because you wanted too. I hope you get some free method mix for it or something nice like that. Keep up the great work. In a few weeks if you do really well, you might even get a few strips of bait stops chucked in too. I should not have posted in this thread. Should have known that one of you would be all over me instantly.
Look at what you did. You are saying that you knew what reaction you would get. So why did you do it, apart from to cause trouble? Well done.
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