Carp Chronicles. Well that was an eye opener.
In reply to Post #1
If your talking about the alleged use of hormones. It's been done to death on here.
If your talking about the alleged use of hormones. It's been done to death on here.
In reply to Post #1
Ask me about eight fifties!
Ask me about eight fifties!
In reply to Post #3
Ken
Tell me about someone catching 8 50s and I'll show you someone allegidly using very underhand tactics!
Trev
Ken
Tell me about someone catching 8 50s and I'll show you someone allegidly using very underhand tactics!
Trev
In reply to Post #4
Apparently Ken invented it 😜😜😂 Shhhh!
Apparently Ken invented it 😜😜😂 Shhhh!
In reply to Post #5
Gosh
Gosh
Have I missed something,what is it that all the successful anglers are using to catch.
In reply to Post #7
Bait
Bait
In reply to Post #6
If it is true and at the moment its not proven as far as im aware? i personally do believe there is some truth to the rumours , not only is it morally wrong it is disgraceful and terrible for our pastime
If it is true and at the moment its not proven as far as im aware? i personally do believe there is some truth to the rumours , not only is it morally wrong it is disgraceful and terrible for our pastime
In reply to Post #9
Gosh
Gosh
Can't you stick to the other half a dozen threads that are running on this....
In reply to Post #8
Deffo the bait, after all those tons and tons of hemp and corn that have gone in these venues, all of a sudden they have gone absolutely mental for it lol
Soon they will be telling us it's the 10kg of chopped worn that's doing the magic
Deffo the bait, after all those tons and tons of hemp and corn that have gone in these venues, all of a sudden they have gone absolutely mental for it lol
Soon they will be telling us it's the 10kg of chopped worn that's doing the magic
So many threads on this hormone subject, Who cares what others do.......just go fishing and enjoy......
In reply to Post #13
Usually I think most people would agree with “who cares” comment.
However, on this subject, due the warnings by those that are educated on the matter that these chemicals can damage the whole lakes echo systems - everyone should care!
Usually I think most people would agree with “who cares” comment.
However, on this subject, due the warnings by those that are educated on the matter that these chemicals can damage the whole lakes echo systems - everyone should care!
In reply to Post #13
I would usually be like that in general,but if they're doing something that would affect my angling,then I would want to know what exactly the f**k they were at. Are these substances pharmaceutical type growth stimulants for animals like cattle,or the stuff those muscle types whack into them at the local gym?
I would usually be like that in general,but if they're doing something that would affect my angling,then I would want to know what exactly the f**k they were at. Are these substances pharmaceutical type growth stimulants for animals like cattle,or the stuff those muscle types whack into them at the local gym?
I'm sure a lot of people have read the same papers as I have since this all came to light. The holy grail was always a substance that would draw fish in from far and wide. It seems like this may be it.
But.......if it causes involuntary abortion in mammals, what kind of c**t would knowingly put it in a lake.
But.......if it causes involuntary abortion in mammals, what kind of c**t would knowingly put it in a lake.
In reply to Post #16
After the conservatives voted down the amendment to stop water companies pumping sh#t into our rivers, and now the emergence of this, fishing is f##ked isnt it
After the conservatives voted down the amendment to stop water companies pumping sh#t into our rivers, and now the emergence of this, fishing is f##ked isnt it
In reply to Post #10
Team England members Farriers Bluebell Breasenose 🤔
Team England members Farriers Bluebell Breasenose 🤔
Heard something last night which suggests it may be more widespread than just limited to names with big company backing and carp matches....chap I spoke to said he couldn't let the cat out of the bag but it's going on more than we think...he alluded to tuitions...
In reply to Post #13
Time to delete all these "branch off threads re hormone/s, its getting boring now
Time to delete all these "branch off threads re hormone/s, its getting boring now
In reply to Post #13
Would normally agree with this kind of sentiment but this situation has occurred on my lake and it does seem to have impacted the Angling for others and has certainly created a bad atmosphere on the syndicate. A real shame.
Would normally agree with this kind of sentiment but this situation has occurred on my lake and it does seem to have impacted the Angling for others and has certainly created a bad atmosphere on the syndicate. A real shame.
In reply to Post #22
IF true....yes its a real shame, but its also a shame that there are far too many threads that turn out with the same subject.
There is a dedicated thread towards this subject.
IF true....yes its a real shame, but its also a shame that there are far too many threads that turn out with the same subject.
There is a dedicated thread towards this subject.
In reply to Post #3
The only time I saw 8 fifties was in the early hours of a Sunday morning in a club called the 99 in barrow...
All wined up and lined up ready to be escorted home like some zombie movie sponsored by Avon (cosmetics not rods(
The only time I saw 8 fifties was in the early hours of a Sunday morning in a club called the 99 in barrow...
All wined up and lined up ready to be escorted home like some zombie movie sponsored by Avon (cosmetics not rods(
In reply to Post #16
Completely agree with you What kind of c**t would knowingly put it into a lake
I have a feeling people may try to plead ignorance to escape the wrath which in my opinion should be not be accepted with something as severe as this or will people attempt to brush it under the carpet like already appears to be happening by some
Completely agree with you What kind of c**t would knowingly put it into a lake
I have a feeling people may try to plead ignorance to escape the wrath which in my opinion should be not be accepted with something as severe as this or will people attempt to brush it under the carpet like already appears to be happening by some
Not a clue if there is any truth in all the allegations being thrown around or not.
I do know though that if I was one of those being accused, id be making sure that everyone knew that I was completely innocent of all the accusations, and that any further allegations that were aimed in my direction would be treated as libel and a solicitor would be taking the matter up with those making them.
Its these lads livelihood, if there's no truth to the stories then some muck usually sticks and the fact that they were innocent will not matter. If the bait company they are with don't come out and deal with it soon then they will pay as well. I can't imagine for one moment that they'd accept being associated with this kind of unethical practice. Its gone on long enough now and needs putting to bed as soon as possible.
I do know though that if I was one of those being accused, id be making sure that everyone knew that I was completely innocent of all the accusations, and that any further allegations that were aimed in my direction would be treated as libel and a solicitor would be taking the matter up with those making them.
Its these lads livelihood, if there's no truth to the stories then some muck usually sticks and the fact that they were innocent will not matter. If the bait company they are with don't come out and deal with it soon then they will pay as well. I can't imagine for one moment that they'd accept being associated with this kind of unethical practice. Its gone on long enough now and needs putting to bed as soon as possible.
I listened to this podcast who is actually meant to be using it? Just says rumours being around certain names
In reply to Post #27
See post 18...
See post 18...
In reply to Post #21
"It's getting boring now"
This is just the beginning. Carp angling as we know it is getting harder to find, hence why some have jacked it in entirely. Personally, I think it would be a travesty to let the practice be swept under the carpet until an ecological disaster occurs, and usually that's coupled with "WhY WaSn'T SoMeThInG SaId SoOnEr?"
Keep talking about it until it's inclusion is on the list of every rule book in the country. Our angling and the attention of the Anti's depends on it. Imagine if the Greta types got onto this? They would be fewmin, and rightly so.
"It's getting boring now"
This is just the beginning. Carp angling as we know it is getting harder to find, hence why some have jacked it in entirely. Personally, I think it would be a travesty to let the practice be swept under the carpet until an ecological disaster occurs, and usually that's coupled with "WhY WaSn'T SoMeThInG SaId SoOnEr?"
Keep talking about it until it's inclusion is on the list of every rule book in the country. Our angling and the attention of the Anti's depends on it. Imagine if the Greta types got onto this? They would be fewmin, and rightly so.
Google this: Kevin Hewitt Nash Podcast and watch from about 2hr 30 mins. Then scroll down the comments below the video. Names are mentioned...
Other than that, I have no idea what they are on about, but I know Sam and Pete (Carp Chronicles) have touched a nerve.
Other than that, I have no idea what they are on about, but I know Sam and Pete (Carp Chronicles) have touched a nerve.
In reply to Post #30
Hopefully bring an end to carp team england, biggest load of tosh I've ever known.
Hopefully bring an end to carp team england, biggest load of tosh I've ever known.
In reply to Post #30
Spot on Ken.
Spot on Ken.
In reply to Post #32
And just think, the chavvy anglers that found carping over lockdown probably cant see the problem with it!
And just think, the chavvy anglers that found carping over lockdown probably cant see the problem with it!
I bet they use things from the food/drinks industry for example energy drinks its then about breaking down the compounds into more concentrated solution
In reply to Post #34
90 +% of ingredients come from the food industry
90 +% of ingredients come from the food industry
In reply to Post #32
If this is proven, and it's a big IF, would it leave any "anglers" using it open to prosecution? Probably not from a fish or fishery point of view, but maybe for the missuse of a licensed drug. I would imagine the RCVS would take a dim view of any of it's members writing prescriptions for drugs to be used outside their licensing conditions.
If this is proven, and it's a big IF, would it leave any "anglers" using it open to prosecution? Probably not from a fish or fishery point of view, but maybe for the missuse of a licensed drug. I would imagine the RCVS would take a dim view of any of it's members writing prescriptions for drugs to be used outside their licensing conditions.
I vaguely remember reading a report many years ago about Coarse Fish and Trout congregating in the vicinity of clean water outlets from Sewage Works, high levels of dissolved estrogen from contraceptive pills was found to be the cause, which was still present in the water.
It's a while ago, but fish were changing sex and all sorts of abnormalities were found off memory.
It's a while ago, but fish were changing sex and all sorts of abnormalities were found off memory.
In reply to Post #32
I tend not to pay much attention as to who's catching what these days, but when I first heard about this hormone crap I straight away thought of a bcac match won by a mainline pair, I've never seen a response to bait like it.
And that's the problem for me, for all I know this just a rumour dreamt up by some jealous mug, but now, you can get a very good angler have a great session with the fish in front of them and the rumour mill will go again
I tend not to pay much attention as to who's catching what these days, but when I first heard about this hormone crap I straight away thought of a bcac match won by a mainline pair, I've never seen a response to bait like it.
And that's the problem for me, for all I know this just a rumour dreamt up by some jealous mug, but now, you can get a very good angler have a great session with the fish in front of them and the rumour mill will go again
In reply to Post #32
I certainly get where you're coming from, end of the day, this has to be confirmed and not just hearsay or conjecture.
I've mentioned this on here before: a very good friend of mine over the course of 3 days I believe literally emptied a place which had some very good anglers fishing it at the time and was busy. My friend didn't use anything other than a certain dog food which he pilled in...they went mental for it, hanging themselves. Could it have been that the fish were all lacking something that my mate had in his bait, who knows. What I'm getting at is that some anglers do have big hits from time to time and that the bait they're using being free from some sort of 'special' could have come into play, all the time? Hmm, I don't know.
I totally agree that if these substances are being used, they need to be banned if they end up polluting waters.
I certainly get where you're coming from, end of the day, this has to be confirmed and not just hearsay or conjecture.
I've mentioned this on here before: a very good friend of mine over the course of 3 days I believe literally emptied a place which had some very good anglers fishing it at the time and was busy. My friend didn't use anything other than a certain dog food which he pilled in...they went mental for it, hanging themselves. Could it have been that the fish were all lacking something that my mate had in his bait, who knows. What I'm getting at is that some anglers do have big hits from time to time and that the bait they're using being free from some sort of 'special' could have come into play, all the time? Hmm, I don't know.
I totally agree that if these substances are being used, they need to be banned if they end up polluting waters.
In reply to Post #39
Still available as far as I'm aware, BAF have it on their website.
Still available as far as I'm aware, BAF have it on their website.
In reply to Post #40
I cut that from the post as I had a search around just to make sure of what I was saying and came across a thread on here. Just ignore that last part of my post 👍
I cut that from the post as I had a search around just to make sure of what I was saying and came across a thread on here. Just ignore that last part of my post 👍
In reply to Post #41
You were actually partially right. Whilst it can be bought, it cannot be used in any feed. So can only be used in hookbaits that won't be ingested.
You were actually partially right. Whilst it can be bought, it cannot be used in any feed. So can only be used in hookbaits that won't be ingested.
How do you make a hormone
Don't pay her😁
I'll get my coat
Don't pay her😁
I'll get my coat
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What did he mean by the this?
What did he mean by the this?
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In reply to Post #30
Just had a watch, he looked a bit panicky when he was probed by the bloke asking the questions, who obviously clearly thinks something dodgy has been going on
Just had a watch, he looked a bit panicky when he was probed by the bloke asking the questions, who obviously clearly thinks something dodgy has been going on
In reply to Post #47
I'm still curious as to why Hassan's suspicion was so strong. He really would not let it go would he.
I'm still curious as to why Hassan's suspicion was so strong. He really would not let it go would he.
There is clearly a whole lot more to all of this than is common knowledge online. Just some of the stuff posted on here has been incredible. The biggest bit of information for me was posted in a thread, long before it even blew up recently. Someone posted on here a patent link, where someone called 'Moore' had patented some type of hormone for use in fishing bait (which just ran out). Funnily enough, the firm who sponsor the angler from the podcast that everyone is pointing fingers at, ends in Moore. Probably just coincidence obviously as I'm sure it's a popular name. But don't tell me this is all totally bull crap, when there have been patents applied for previously. That has been done for very good reason.... On that patent link, it talks of hormones previously thought to be only attractants for mating... Now also being used in a feed inducing way.
Quote from the patent link, still there on this forum in the hormone thread...."Previously fish sex hormones were considered only to have a role in sexual reproduction, however the present invention shows that these hormones can be used to induce feeding behaviour in fish. In particular a fish attracting composition is disclosed which contains at least one fish sex hormone which functions as a sex pheromone"
Then there's Rob Hughes, the England carp match manager, was being VERY vocal that it was all ********, that everyone should just be quiet and forget all about it.... Then he suddenly went VERY quiet.
This is not going to go away now. Clearly there is some very serious stuff that needs addressing. Clearly the carp fishing community does not want anything to do with this absolute stupidity... Just going by the public reaction to this over the past week.
****ing Joeys the lot of them if any of this is true. I've been dumbfounded all week, hoping to be told at some point that it's all rubbish. Why is no one directly involved telling me and everyone else that it's all rubbish?
Quote from the patent link, still there on this forum in the hormone thread...."Previously fish sex hormones were considered only to have a role in sexual reproduction, however the present invention shows that these hormones can be used to induce feeding behaviour in fish. In particular a fish attracting composition is disclosed which contains at least one fish sex hormone which functions as a sex pheromone"
Then there's Rob Hughes, the England carp match manager, was being VERY vocal that it was all ********, that everyone should just be quiet and forget all about it.... Then he suddenly went VERY quiet.
This is not going to go away now. Clearly there is some very serious stuff that needs addressing. Clearly the carp fishing community does not want anything to do with this absolute stupidity... Just going by the public reaction to this over the past week.
****ing Joeys the lot of them if any of this is true. I've been dumbfounded all week, hoping to be told at some point that it's all rubbish. Why is no one directly involved telling me and everyone else that it's all rubbish?
In reply to Post #48
Hats off to the guy for that too..
Hats off to the guy for that too..
In reply to Post #42
If you mean DMPT, I do not think for one second that this is what could be responsible for these big catches. I've been using if for years at very careful levels and results are inconclusive at best!
If you mean DMPT, I do not think for one second that this is what could be responsible for these big catches. I've been using if for years at very careful levels and results are inconclusive at best!
In reply to Post #51
Yes, were talking about DMPT. Tee Cee has edited his post, but neither of us were suggesting it was resposible for these catches.
Yes, were talking about DMPT. Tee Cee has edited his post, but neither of us were suggesting it was resposible for these catches.
A 'new' angle here.... Just throwing it out there...
You were all about to get sold 'something'.... And this has backfired.
That would not surprise me. It's a lot better than wholesale cheating too. I actually hope and would prefer this was some sales ploy for 'something', all gone wrong now.
Patents running out, then suddenly this. A guess could be, that someone was about to sell the potion mentioned in that patent link. It was previously patented until now, maybe it was about to get sold into the UK carp bait market.
You were all about to get sold 'something'.... And this has backfired.
That would not surprise me. It's a lot better than wholesale cheating too. I actually hope and would prefer this was some sales ploy for 'something', all gone wrong now.
Patents running out, then suddenly this. A guess could be, that someone was about to sell the potion mentioned in that patent link. It was previously patented until now, maybe it was about to get sold into the UK carp bait market.
In reply to Post #49
What I find to be a concern is the possibility of inexperienced/at all costs larraping this in and the consequences thereafter.
Deffo get the cheating aspect of it all.
What I find to be a concern is the possibility of inexperienced/at all costs larraping this in and the consequences thereafter.
Deffo get the cheating aspect of it all.
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In reply to Post #53
I think that patent and Dr Andrew Moore's involvement was in relation to Ultrabite, which ties in with the dates Ultrabite was on sale.
I think that patent and Dr Andrew Moore's involvement was in relation to Ultrabite, which ties in with the dates Ultrabite was on sale.
In reply to Post #57
Thanks Ged. I should have stuck to not commenting like the past week.
They really need to come out and say something now... Otherwise it just leads to people having to form their own conclusions, like I just did, wrongly.
Thanks Ged. I should have stuck to not commenting like the past week.
They really need to come out and say something now... Otherwise it just leads to people having to form their own conclusions, like I just did, wrongly.
In reply to Post #58
it can still be... (just forget about patent)... you call it backfired, some might call it best advertising possible... Time will tell... people just need to know that when somebody is selling "edge" in a bottle it doesnt have to be the same edge that brought the results... especially if that is of controversial background and it is better used intimate to stay on top with results...
it can still be... (just forget about patent)... you call it backfired, some might call it best advertising possible... Time will tell... people just need to know that when somebody is selling "edge" in a bottle it doesnt have to be the same edge that brought the results... especially if that is of controversial background and it is better used intimate to stay on top with results...
In reply to Post #58
Interestingly though, that whole ultrabite thing went nowhere, despite all the blurb about it etc, very few anglers showed any interest in it at all, I certainly didn't feel inclined to even try it. Same goes for the amino acid podcast with Dr Patrick Mills whereby just 2 AA's in exact ratio's was a key discovery ( which is very interesting for me). But a handful of video's on you tube has everyone wetting their pants over what's being used, just shows the power that google has now.
Interestingly though, that whole ultrabite thing went nowhere, despite all the blurb about it etc, very few anglers showed any interest in it at all, I certainly didn't feel inclined to even try it. Same goes for the amino acid podcast with Dr Patrick Mills whereby just 2 AA's in exact ratio's was a key discovery ( which is very interesting for me). But a handful of video's on you tube has everyone wetting their pants over what's being used, just shows the power that google has now.
In reply to Post #59
You strike a very good point. Any of the linked anglers or bait companies will always struggle when they release a "edge" type bait going forward as the captures used to promote it will always be questioned
And i think the match scene will take a hammering from it all now because of this.
You strike a very good point. Any of the linked anglers or bait companies will always struggle when they release a "edge" type bait going forward as the captures used to promote it will always be questioned
And i think the match scene will take a hammering from it all now because of this.
In reply to Post #59
True. I believe CC Moore sold out of bloodworm as soon as that video hit you tube, maybe it was the addition of it that worked just then, never has for me in the same way, or even close though. Maybe also, the liquid was just the carrier for something else? Citric acid for instance? This could be all that it is, a well dissolved amount into a liquid mix 'could' do this, certainly using it in a bait has benefits at the correct levels but in water dilution it is possible to really increase amounts, it would work better in shallow water and is available from the supermarket, application is the key, so maybe, just maybe this (or something similar) is all it is and no one has been stroke pulling. Time will tell though..!
True. I believe CC Moore sold out of bloodworm as soon as that video hit you tube, maybe it was the addition of it that worked just then, never has for me in the same way, or even close though. Maybe also, the liquid was just the carrier for something else? Citric acid for instance? This could be all that it is, a well dissolved amount into a liquid mix 'could' do this, certainly using it in a bait has benefits at the correct levels but in water dilution it is possible to really increase amounts, it would work better in shallow water and is available from the supermarket, application is the key, so maybe, just maybe this (or something similar) is all it is and no one has been stroke pulling. Time will tell though..!
In reply to Post #62
CC Moore sold out of bloodworm as soon as that video hit you tube
Just shows you how daft people are then after he specifically said it was something that you wouldn't even associate with fishing
CC Moore sold out of bloodworm as soon as that video hit you tube
Just shows you how daft people are then after he specifically said it was something that you wouldn't even associate with fishing
In reply to Post #63
TBH I'm not sure of the timeline of events; was the Nash interview maybe 6 months later?
TBH I'm not sure of the timeline of events; was the Nash interview maybe 6 months later?
In reply to Post #64
Am i the only one checking in EVERY hour for the latest gossip updates....??
Regards Tad.
Am i the only one checking in EVERY hour for the latest gossip updates....??
Regards Tad.
In reply to Post #65
I think rob Hughes has deleted his FB post about the matter.. I imagine there will be a lull now while they speak to their people and see what best way forward is to deal with it.
I think rob Hughes has deleted his FB post about the matter.. I imagine there will be a lull now while they speak to their people and see what best way forward is to deal with it.
In reply to Post #66
I didn't see the Rob Hughes comment but suspect it was him telling everyone to pipe down and there was nothing in it....
Next move of those to whom the fingers are being pointed will be very interesting, they stand to lose a lot, not least their credibility.
I didn't see the Rob Hughes comment but suspect it was him telling everyone to pipe down and there was nothing in it....
Next move of those to whom the fingers are being pointed will be very interesting, they stand to lose a lot, not least their credibility.
In reply to Post #67
Bring back the good old days carp fishing from the 60's and 70's, glad I am coming to the end of my days carp fishing, too commercial and a complete rat race these days!
When too much money being available becomes an issue this usually means a down turn, football is a good example.
Good luck to the catch at all costs brigade, I am sure your days are numbered, like mine (getting old now)!
Bring back the good old days carp fishing from the 60's and 70's, glad I am coming to the end of my days carp fishing, too commercial and a complete rat race these days!
When too much money being available becomes an issue this usually means a down turn, football is a good example.
Good luck to the catch at all costs brigade, I am sure your days are numbered, like mine (getting old now)!
In reply to Post #53
The thing I find strange is that one of the names banded about belongs to a bait company who's owner has been very vocal about testing baits for these substances. Either said name is innocent, or said bait company and owner will end up feeling a tad let down. The next few weeks are going to be interesting, as one of the accused is going to be bringing out a statement/post soon.
The thing I find strange is that one of the names banded about belongs to a bait company who's owner has been very vocal about testing baits for these substances. Either said name is innocent, or said bait company and owner will end up feeling a tad let down. The next few weeks are going to be interesting, as one of the accused is going to be bringing out a statement/post soon.
In reply to Post #69
I'm a bit confused by some comments I've just read by Kev Hewitt on the munch baits Facebook post.
In the podcast with Hassan, he states with absolute conviction that his edge (which he basically says triggers an involuntary feeding response) isn't a carp fishing related product that it's taken him years to find and refine.
In the munch baits comments four months later, he says it's bloodworm liquid
I'm a bit confused by some comments I've just read by Kev Hewitt on the munch baits Facebook post.
In the podcast with Hassan, he states with absolute conviction that his edge (which he basically says triggers an involuntary feeding response) isn't a carp fishing related product that it's taken him years to find and refine.
In the munch baits comments four months later, he says it's bloodworm liquid
In reply to Post #70
Well spotted.
I just asked him about it on that thread so let's see if there's a response.
Edit: He got back to me quickly:
I haven't listened back but I'm sure I said it can't be purchased from a tackle shop. Ccmoore bloodworm is only available on the ccmoore website as they don't supply tackle shops with this product.
Hope this clears it up buddy 👍
I'll have a listen back later to remind myself what he said in the podcast.
Well spotted.
I just asked him about it on that thread so let's see if there's a response.
Edit: He got back to me quickly:
I haven't listened back but I'm sure I said it can't be purchased from a tackle shop. Ccmoore bloodworm is only available on the ccmoore website as they don't supply tackle shops with this product.
Hope this clears it up buddy 👍
I'll have a listen back later to remind myself what he said in the podcast.
In reply to Post #71
what about the bit where he said, " if I put 100 things on a list you wouldn't pick this one"....I think we would all have picked bloodworm!
Edit...I've just put this to him.
Kevs response..." people never chose the obvious mate. That's the point. People want to believe it's hormones so they can bully and troll me on online. That's the modern world we live in I'm afraid.
How has everyone missed the bit where I say anyone using hormones should be banned from every fishery in the country?
Either way like I've said previous that part of the interview was a bit of a wind up and pre planned which looking back was a poor error in judgment on mine and Hassan's part."
what about the bit where he said, " if I put 100 things on a list you wouldn't pick this one"....I think we would all have picked bloodworm!
Edit...I've just put this to him.
Kevs response..." people never chose the obvious mate. That's the point. People want to believe it's hormones so they can bully and troll me on online. That's the modern world we live in I'm afraid.
How has everyone missed the bit where I say anyone using hormones should be banned from every fishery in the country?
Either way like I've said previous that part of the interview was a bit of a wind up and pre planned which looking back was a poor error in judgment on mine and Hassan's part."
In reply to Post #71
Just listened back to that bit and he does say "you can't buy it from a tackle shop" but he also says, "you wouldn't associate it with fishing"......
he also goes onto say about mixing things together and getting the quantities right so it could well be that the base or carrier is indeed liquid bloodworm but he is obviously adding something to it. He does say it is "freely available and completely legal" to be fair.
Just listened back to that bit and he does say "you can't buy it from a tackle shop" but he also says, "you wouldn't associate it with fishing"......
he also goes onto say about mixing things together and getting the quantities right so it could well be that the base or carrier is indeed liquid bloodworm but he is obviously adding something to it. He does say it is "freely available and completely legal" to be fair.
In reply to Post #73
Fairy dust...he's using fairy dust, ground up unicorn horn and bloodworm as the carrier. Sorted 👌
Fairy dust...he's using fairy dust, ground up unicorn horn and bloodworm as the carrier. Sorted 👌
In reply to Post #73
From what he said in the podcast to what he has written in that munch baits post in relation to what Spod and Yonny have questioned him on doesn't come across great. Seems like he is just digging himself further and further into a hole.
I can understand him wanting to hold on to a edge as much as possible but he is skilled enough regardless of it by all accounts. Why not come out and just say what it is and prove himself? Vs the damage to his personal and sponsor brand that is (rightly or wrongly) being done now.
From what he said in the podcast to what he has written in that munch baits post in relation to what Spod and Yonny have questioned him on doesn't come across great. Seems like he is just digging himself further and further into a hole.
I can understand him wanting to hold on to a edge as much as possible but he is skilled enough regardless of it by all accounts. Why not come out and just say what it is and prove himself? Vs the damage to his personal and sponsor brand that is (rightly or wrongly) being done now.
In reply to Post #70
Did you also see the comment where he said the questions were staged to get the biggest reach. There is no way anyone would agree to get railroaded by a company your not sponsored by and possibly end up ruining your career solely to help them get more views.
Did you also see the comment where he said the questions were staged to get the biggest reach. There is no way anyone would agree to get railroaded by a company your not sponsored by and possibly end up ruining your career solely to help them get more views.
Quite how a bloodworm liquid from a carp fishing bait company isn't a fishing related I'm not sure. He's also paid to market CCM products, so if that was the answer would he really be keeping it in on the low? No.
And you can buy the liquid bloodworm from tackle shops. It's on the Todber website as for sale and in stock for one. So that was another porky.
I wasn't one for the witch-hunt, but he's not doing himself any favours is he?
And you can buy the liquid bloodworm from tackle shops. It's on the Todber website as for sale and in stock for one. So that was another porky.
I wasn't one for the witch-hunt, but he's not doing himself any favours is he?
In reply to Post #77
Im 100% on innocent until proven guilty because randomly pointing fingers doesn't help anything, but he isn't doing himself any favours in the slightest. He should of just kept his mouth shut.
Im 100% on innocent until proven guilty because randomly pointing fingers doesn't help anything, but he isn't doing himself any favours in the slightest. He should of just kept his mouth shut.
In reply to Post #77
Bloodworm also has never produced extraordinary catches for anyone else as far as I'm aware..
Bloodworm also has never produced extraordinary catches for anyone else as far as I'm aware..
In reply to Post #78
To be fair to him he is the only one that is being targeted but there have been other names mentioned who are not being mentioned. His answer unequivocally states that he is not using hormones and he is very firm on that. I don't know what he is using but let's not make this too personal.
To be fair to him he is the only one that is being targeted but there have been other names mentioned who are not being mentioned. His answer unequivocally states that he is not using hormones and he is very firm on that. I don't know what he is using but let's not make this too personal.
In reply to Post #80
Did the others do a podcast bragging about how they can turn up on any swim at any lake and catch loads of fish? Or bragging about how they only need to fish the days to win matches while everyone else does shifts all night?
I'm afraid he bought on all the attention and finger pointing himself being smug on that podcast. If he could have kept his mouth shut about how great he is it may have all gone under the radar.
Did the others do a podcast bragging about how they can turn up on any swim at any lake and catch loads of fish? Or bragging about how they only need to fish the days to win matches while everyone else does shifts all night?
I'm afraid he bought on all the attention and finger pointing himself being smug on that podcast. If he could have kept his mouth shut about how great he is it may have all gone under the radar.
In reply to Post #81
It's not just keeping his mouth shut on podcasts. You put your face out there people aren't always going to like you. You find me one person in the media lime light who doesn't get both good and bad press. He is also commenting on posts that don't even mention him or anyone by name. If he is not associated with it why would he feel the need to comment on posts that are not about him? Its no different then me comment on drink driving posts say "I ONLY DRINK PEPSI WHILE DRIVING AND I HAVE PROOF". I didn't watch the Nash Podcast until after I saw him go all defensive on social media retaliating to posts that weren't aimed at him. He is his own worst enemy at the moment
It's not just keeping his mouth shut on podcasts. You put your face out there people aren't always going to like you. You find me one person in the media lime light who doesn't get both good and bad press. He is also commenting on posts that don't even mention him or anyone by name. If he is not associated with it why would he feel the need to comment on posts that are not about him? Its no different then me comment on drink driving posts say "I ONLY DRINK PEPSI WHILE DRIVING AND I HAVE PROOF". I didn't watch the Nash Podcast until after I saw him go all defensive on social media retaliating to posts that weren't aimed at him. He is his own worst enemy at the moment
In reply to Post #80
Tbf I've seen Maker targeted too. I saw a FB post from him last night that I took as a direct response to all the speculation. It was a shot of him at Linear as a young kid with the story of how he caught 30 carp in 2 nights. For me that's a message to any accusers..... "I've been having silly hits for years so give it a rest" kinda thing. He has a point.
Tbf I've seen Maker targeted too. I saw a FB post from him last night that I took as a direct response to all the speculation. It was a shot of him at Linear as a young kid with the story of how he caught 30 carp in 2 nights. For me that's a message to any accusers..... "I've been having silly hits for years so give it a rest" kinda thing. He has a point.
In reply to Post #83
That's half the thing here. These guys are clearly good anglers, have lots of time and fish heavily stocked runs waters. If I had the elixir I would be camped out at Burghfield, not Farriers or Linear!!
That's half the thing here. These guys are clearly good anglers, have lots of time and fish heavily stocked runs waters. If I had the elixir I would be camped out at Burghfield, not Farriers or Linear!!
In reply to Post #84
Likewise mate.
Likewise mate.
In reply to Post #85
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In reply to Post #79
I'm watching it again now and there is absolutely no way is he describing using bloodworm
in any form.
I'm watching it again now and there is absolutely no way is he describing using bloodworm
in any form.
In reply to Post #84
I agree, maybe good anglers
Trouble is, whatever they have done before is now history, all they will be remembered for is hormones
I agree, maybe good anglers
Trouble is, whatever they have done before is now history, all they will be remembered for is hormones
Man artificially selects genetic strains of fish, rears in captivity, releases into further captivity where the fish biomass wouldn't be supported by nature alone and become reliant on feed their bodies aren't evolved to survive on, pulls it out of the water and gives it a human name....
But these hormones are playing with nature man
But these hormones are playing with nature man
In reply to Post #87
No, you're right but that was what he referred to on Fb this morning as his edge on the Munch baits page.
No doubting at all that Kevin is a phenomenal fish catcher, listening to all of that Nash podcast makes you think he has been a machine for many years..! (I'm not implying anything by saying that either!)
No, you're right but that was what he referred to on Fb this morning as his edge on the Munch baits page.
No doubting at all that Kevin is a phenomenal fish catcher, listening to all of that Nash podcast makes you think he has been a machine for many years..! (I'm not implying anything by saying that either!)
Without wishing to trawl through has anything actually been confirmed that he is using hormones? Like he has admitted it I don't wanna here my fathers sisters nephew heard such and such
In reply to Post #89
Man artificially selects genetic strains of fish, rears in captivity, releases into further captivity where the fish biomass wouldn't be supported by nature alone and become reliant on feed their bodies aren't evolved to survive on, pulls it out of the water and gives it a human name
Man does it to earn a living, purely a business and does not care about the history of the pastime, all he is bothered about is creating monsters to pull in the £s. Man fishes for them to try and make a name for himself and has no respect for the history of the pastime by trying to claim a record with such a ****ter, quite ironic?
Man uses a hormone to boost his catches to unreal levels and promotes his catches as genuine and does not admit to it, mmmmmm
Man artificially selects genetic strains of fish, rears in captivity, releases into further captivity where the fish biomass wouldn't be supported by nature alone and become reliant on feed their bodies aren't evolved to survive on, pulls it out of the water and gives it a human name
Man does it to earn a living, purely a business and does not care about the history of the pastime, all he is bothered about is creating monsters to pull in the £s. Man fishes for them to try and make a name for himself and has no respect for the history of the pastime by trying to claim a record with such a ****ter, quite ironic?
Man uses a hormone to boost his catches to unreal levels and promotes his catches as genuine and does not admit to it, mmmmmm
In reply to Post #92
Can you prove it though
Can you prove it though
In reply to Post #93
Apparently Mulder and Scully are on it,The Truth Is Out There
Apparently Mulder and Scully are on it,The Truth Is Out There
In reply to Post #94
Fair play to the guy......looks like he has developed a style of fishing that he is confident in and has been consistently catching for some years........add to that he has found an edge that works and wants to keep it quiet sounds logical to me......
All bygone edges were only that until the masses piled in.... hair rigs, HNV bollies, bolt rigs, fluoro pops, stiff rigs, fish meals etc etc
Fair play to the guy......looks like he has developed a style of fishing that he is confident in and has been consistently catching for some years........add to that he has found an edge that works and wants to keep it quiet sounds logical to me......
All bygone edges were only that until the masses piled in.... hair rigs, HNV bollies, bolt rigs, fluoro pops, stiff rigs, fish meals etc etc
In reply to Post #93
You believe different?
You believe different?
In reply to Post #92
Man ,is greedy and egotistical seeking kudos ,and recognition in search of false prophet and enlightenment..
Whilst man himself is controlled and does not always realise it..!!
Man ,is greedy and egotistical seeking kudos ,and recognition in search of false prophet and enlightenment..
Whilst man himself is controlled and does not always realise it..!!
In reply to Post #91
No one has admitted anything and nothing has been proved mate.
No one has admitted anything and nothing has been proved mate.
In reply to Post #98
As I suspected, and are people actually surprised?? We use feed stimulants, we use various powdered stimulants? People have mentioned dmpt and other such things, big plus point for British bait manufacturers they don't have to list ingredients I guarantee they are in there somewhere
As I suspected, and are people actually surprised?? We use feed stimulants, we use various powdered stimulants? People have mentioned dmpt and other such things, big plus point for British bait manufacturers they don't have to list ingredients I guarantee they are in there somewhere
In reply to Post #97
Man goes on modern day podcast to talk about his catches....
Why is that any different to the old days where Rod, Kev, Zen, Tim etc etc used to publicise all their fantastic catches in the rags.....
Nothing is any different just that some who don't like social media shouldn't use it then spout off on a carp forum.,.
Man goes on modern day podcast to talk about his catches....
Why is that any different to the old days where Rod, Kev, Zen, Tim etc etc used to publicise all their fantastic catches in the rags.....
Nothing is any different just that some who don't like social media shouldn't use it then spout off on a carp forum.,.
In reply to Post #100
"Man goes on modern day podcast to talk about his catches...."
Which put into context given his response, people are suspicious of the captures.
"Man goes on modern day podcast to talk about his catches...."
Which put into context given his response, people are suspicious of the captures.
In reply to Post #99
None of the things we use in bait will hold fish in numbers (other than quantity) then once they have moved off, pull them back in when re-introduced in a match situation where there's a lot of decent baits going in.
None of the things we use in bait will hold fish in numbers (other than quantity) then once they have moved off, pull them back in when re-introduced in a match situation where there's a lot of decent baits going in.
In reply to Post #99
Why is that any different to the old days where Rod, Kev, Zen, Tim etc etc used to publicise all their fantastic catches in the rags.....
Because they were catching a couple of fish on a good night, not 20. Even allowing for stocking densities, and I can never remember anyone saying the fish came to Rod - he just knew where they'd be.....
Why is that any different to the old days where Rod, Kev, Zen, Tim etc etc used to publicise all their fantastic catches in the rags.....
Because they were catching a couple of fish on a good night, not 20. Even allowing for stocking densities, and I can never remember anyone saying the fish came to Rod - he just knew where they'd be.....
In reply to Post #103
Exactly that
Exactly that
In reply to Post #104
"a couple of fish on a good night" your having a laugh
hair rigs, mass baiting with hemp, tiger nuts etc etc etc absolutely battered them when all around were struggling
"a couple of fish on a good night" your having a laugh
hair rigs, mass baiting with hemp, tiger nuts etc etc etc absolutely battered them when all around were struggling
In reply to Post #101
I comprehend it totally....hes asked a straight question about using hormones and says he is not using such substances....cant get any clearer than that.......
I comprehend it totally....hes asked a straight question about using hormones and says he is not using such substances....cant get any clearer than that.......
In reply to Post #105
The difference was, those guys weren't fishing overstocked puddles, chucking out 3 spods of magic juice and hauling with plastic corn as hookbait.
Incomparable times IMHO
The fish need to have a sporting chance else what's the point and where's the skill?
I'm sure that half the fun for someone like Mr Hearn is in the chase, the planning, the watching. Finally topped off by the capture.
The difference was, those guys weren't fishing overstocked puddles, chucking out 3 spods of magic juice and hauling with plastic corn as hookbait.
Incomparable times IMHO
The fish need to have a sporting chance else what's the point and where's the skill?
I'm sure that half the fun for someone like Mr Hearn is in the chase, the planning, the watching. Finally topped off by the capture.
Maybe it's time for random dope tests for carp anglers
The bait that is
If they go for the actual anglers then the sport is screwed
The bait that is
If they go for the actual anglers then the sport is screwed
In reply to Post #106
Because he'd obviously just admit it ....
Because he'd obviously just admit it ....
In reply to Post #106
It's the inconsistencies in his comments/posts that are causing suspicion and not doing him any favours...
It's the inconsistencies in his comments/posts that are causing suspicion and not doing him any favours...
In reply to Post #110
To be fair, watching that Nash video, I'm lead to think that it's something else that's in his magik elixir and not hormones. It's the way he comes across, imagine you've got something that's totally on the up and up that no-one is using and you get put on the spot, how would you react? I know if I was put on the spot, I'd look well sketchy especially so on a video broadcast to the wider carp fishing community. The other thing as I've mentioned in this thread and in the bait section; got to think of the 'special' people. Some of the things I've seen anglers do just blows my mind...no finkin grasshopper.
You know, he could we'll be pulling in loads of alcohol in his mix and bagging off of it.
To be fair, watching that Nash video, I'm lead to think that it's something else that's in his magik elixir and not hormones. It's the way he comes across, imagine you've got something that's totally on the up and up that no-one is using and you get put on the spot, how would you react? I know if I was put on the spot, I'd look well sketchy especially so on a video broadcast to the wider carp fishing community. The other thing as I've mentioned in this thread and in the bait section; got to think of the 'special' people. Some of the things I've seen anglers do just blows my mind...no finkin grasshopper.
You know, he could we'll be pulling in loads of alcohol in his mix and bagging off of it.
In reply to Post #111
I agree, he is definitely not intending on giving anything away and if it is genuine then who can blame him? Could be anything; he said many times he is always experimenting (much like many of us) but maybe he has just found something that is extremely effective when combined with considerable skillset to begin with. Let's hope this is all it is!
I agree, he is definitely not intending on giving anything away and if it is genuine then who can blame him? Could be anything; he said many times he is always experimenting (much like many of us) but maybe he has just found something that is extremely effective when combined with considerable skillset to begin with. Let's hope this is all it is!
Many will look at finger-pointing, speculation, and conjecture. Not many will say well done for finding something that works and works well. Many are reading into something that isn't there. This guy has found something that is golden so why should he give up his golden egg. I would stick a middle finger up to all of you and let my pics do the talking. Green-eyed monsters aren't pretty and many need to get a grip on what this pastime is all about. Live and let live.
In reply to Post #113
And what if he and the others in question are using something as dangerous and unethical as some claim? Will you still say it's fine?
And what if he and the others in question are using something as dangerous and unethical as some claim? Will you still say it's fine?
In reply to Post #108
Quality - Tru dat . . .
Quality - Tru dat . . .
In reply to Post #114
What if? Do you think we the angling fraternity now need to be policed and our baits checked before we start fishing? Like I said, get a grip... Our waters have bigger things to be worried about than some Joe using whatever. Concern yourselves with your own angling and crack on.
What if? Do you think we the angling fraternity now need to be policed and our baits checked before we start fishing? Like I said, get a grip... Our waters have bigger things to be worried about than some Joe using whatever. Concern yourselves with your own angling and crack on.
In reply to Post #116
But when this stuff has potential to wipe out waters ,and angling In general, then it's everyone's problem, isn't it. If you can't see that, well then you are plain stupid
But when this stuff has potential to wipe out waters ,and angling In general, then it's everyone's problem, isn't it. If you can't see that, well then you are plain stupid
In reply to Post #114
Of course not: no-one is saying that..
Of course not: no-one is saying that..
In reply to Post #117
"But when this stuff has potential to wipe out waters ,and angling In general, then it's everyone's problem, isn't it. If you can't see that, well then you are plain stupid"
What stuff? Again assumptions, allegations, speculation. Finger-pointing scare mongering gossiping fish wives. No evidence what so ever as to whats gone on, zero, zip nothing!!! Whos the stupid one again?
"But when this stuff has potential to wipe out waters ,and angling In general, then it's everyone's problem, isn't it. If you can't see that, well then you are plain stupid"
What stuff? Again assumptions, allegations, speculation. Finger-pointing scare mongering gossiping fish wives. No evidence what so ever as to whats gone on, zero, zip nothing!!! Whos the stupid one again?
In reply to Post #116
Not really... There are people out there that look forward to ban fishin alltogether... Give them enough ammunition and they will have an easy ride.
Not really... There are people out there that look forward to ban fishin alltogether... Give them enough ammunition and they will have an easy ride.
In reply to Post #116
I wonder if they can get hold of a dip, like at raves and what-not that turns a dye a certain colour which alerts to a dodgy substance, rigs get checked, nets dipped, no?
In all seriousness, as a poster has already mentioned earlier on in this thread, he's been offered said dodgy substance and from what he knows is more widely used, if that is the case, that is quite worrying. I have no idea what this hormone is or what it does, what I do know was that back in the 90's fish were changing sex due to high levels of hormones in the water on the Lea relief channel, now imagine if this gets widely used and pilled into baits, do you think that would be a negative or a net positive for a given body of water?
I wonder if they can get hold of a dip, like at raves and what-not that turns a dye a certain colour which alerts to a dodgy substance, rigs get checked, nets dipped, no?
In all seriousness, as a poster has already mentioned earlier on in this thread, he's been offered said dodgy substance and from what he knows is more widely used, if that is the case, that is quite worrying. I have no idea what this hormone is or what it does, what I do know was that back in the 90's fish were changing sex due to high levels of hormones in the water on the Lea relief channel, now imagine if this gets widely used and pilled into baits, do you think that would be a negative or a net positive for a given body of water?
In reply to Post #116
If it was my livelihood at stake than absolutely. Some of those waters contain carp worth £1000s. I think I'd want to know if some bellend is dumping something dangerous into it just for trophy shots and a consultancy.
If it was my livelihood at stake than absolutely. Some of those waters contain carp worth £1000s. I think I'd want to know if some bellend is dumping something dangerous into it just for trophy shots and a consultancy.
In reply to Post #119
You. You are the stupid one.
You. You are the stupid one.
In reply to Post #118
He was.
He was.
I cannot believe that so many people are in denial about the use of hormones, just because no one has any proof doesn't mean it's not going on, use your eyes and ears and your mind. You will be saying next otters don't eat carp so we don't need to worry just because you haven't seen it with your own eyes.
The crack on lads each to his own attitude could result in serious ecological implications. Tricking fish into thinking it's time to spawn cannot really do them any good can it. It might not kill them straight away but it doesn't take much of an imagination to think it must seriously mess them about.
And as for fishing, what's the point if we don't need to worry about location and bait and all the other factors that determine what we catch, just spomb out this stuff and they come to you...we might as well take up golf.
As for the trade, why are they not speaking out, yes I'd be embarrassed if one of my staff was using this stuff but better out in the open than silence, and what about the fishery owners, the worst in me says they don't care because those big catches are good publicity for their waters.
The crack on lads each to his own attitude could result in serious ecological implications. Tricking fish into thinking it's time to spawn cannot really do them any good can it. It might not kill them straight away but it doesn't take much of an imagination to think it must seriously mess them about.
And as for fishing, what's the point if we don't need to worry about location and bait and all the other factors that determine what we catch, just spomb out this stuff and they come to you...we might as well take up golf.
As for the trade, why are they not speaking out, yes I'd be embarrassed if one of my staff was using this stuff but better out in the open than silence, and what about the fishery owners, the worst in me says they don't care because those big catches are good publicity for their waters.
In reply to Post #124
Behave yourself Toronto, have a read of some fishing literature available before The Internet was invented.
I don't need to list out for you all the waters that were around pre 2000 that only got stocked in the 60's and 70's by people shifting the odd fish around between Leisure Sport waters. The fish weren't grown in stock ponds and chucked in lakes at 30lb like they are these days. That's a comparatively new thing (in the scheme of things).
The CS website says of Farriers "between 250-300 fish with an average weight of 30lb". Impressive stocking levels no?
Places like Redmire were the exception to the rule, a bit of a freak really. I don't recall many, if any waters that were jam packed with 30-40lb'ers, that's why people started going to France is it not?
And no, I've never been to Redmire nor am I likely to. I wish I'd been 30 years ago though.
Have you?
Behave yourself Toronto, have a read of some fishing literature available before The Internet was invented.
I don't need to list out for you all the waters that were around pre 2000 that only got stocked in the 60's and 70's by people shifting the odd fish around between Leisure Sport waters. The fish weren't grown in stock ponds and chucked in lakes at 30lb like they are these days. That's a comparatively new thing (in the scheme of things).
The CS website says of Farriers "between 250-300 fish with an average weight of 30lb". Impressive stocking levels no?
Places like Redmire were the exception to the rule, a bit of a freak really. I don't recall many, if any waters that were jam packed with 30-40lb'ers, that's why people started going to France is it not?
And no, I've never been to Redmire nor am I likely to. I wish I'd been 30 years ago though.
Have you?
In reply to Post #127
I cannot believe that so many people are in denial about the use of hormones, just because no one has any proof doesn't mean it's not going on, use your eyes and ears and your mind. You will be saying next otters don't eat carp so we don't need to worry just because you haven't seen it with your own eyes.
My thoughts too
I'm waiting for the get out of jail statements, 10kg of bloodworm heads, mussel lips, lobworms knackers, au natural
Ask the audience?
50/50?
Call a friend?
its a errr, urrr
I cant wait until Joe average gets his hands on the "fake" ingredient, plans to rape a lake and then realises, it was a pack of lies
I cannot believe that so many people are in denial about the use of hormones, just because no one has any proof doesn't mean it's not going on, use your eyes and ears and your mind. You will be saying next otters don't eat carp so we don't need to worry just because you haven't seen it with your own eyes.
My thoughts too
I'm waiting for the get out of jail statements, 10kg of bloodworm heads, mussel lips, lobworms knackers, au natural
Ask the audience?
50/50?
Call a friend?
its a errr, urrr
I cant wait until Joe average gets his hands on the "fake" ingredient, plans to rape a lake and then realises, it was a pack of lies
In reply to Post #127
So if it's going on, how long has it been going on? If it's going on, what has been the impact of it? No one knows because its hearsay and speculation. The world is still turning (thats if youre not a flat earther) If we go on about things that we need to ban or police before they happen we would be very busy indeed, concerning ourselves with what could be. What fun youd be at a party.
So if it's going on, how long has it been going on? If it's going on, what has been the impact of it? No one knows because its hearsay and speculation. The world is still turning (thats if youre not a flat earther) If we go on about things that we need to ban or police before they happen we would be very busy indeed, concerning ourselves with what could be. What fun youd be at a party.
In reply to Post #130
Bet your the sort of bloke who moans the loudest when things go tits up
Bet your the sort of bloke who moans the loudest when things go tits up
In reply to Post #131
He's the big "I am" with that name too...
He's the big "I am" with that name too...
In reply to Post #130
Spot the modern day carp angler....
Spot the modern day carp angler....
Has anyone mentioned the lake owners and if they know what is going into their lake? If it was my lake and someone was ripping it apart with something possibly dodgy or dangerous to the stock and livelihood, I would demand the answer and take any appropriate action.
If it isn't dodgy and he is still fishing there, that should answer the whole safety aspect of the theories.
If it isn't dodgy and he is still fishing there, that should answer the whole safety aspect of the theories.
In reply to Post #105
But not totally battering them in match situations - being able to stop putting bait in, have fish move off and then pull them back off baited areas a fair distance away.
The putting a bit of hemp or tigers in and the hair never did that. They'd trip up fish in the swim, but not one 100yds away!
But not totally battering them in match situations - being able to stop putting bait in, have fish move off and then pull them back off baited areas a fair distance away.
The putting a bit of hemp or tigers in and the hair never did that. They'd trip up fish in the swim, but not one 100yds away!
In reply to Post #105
DP
DP
Going further back into the thread, regards the England carp team anglers. As with all aspects of life there are levels to peoples different levels of skills, success and attributes. Having seen good fishermen and fished alongside some England anglers in competitions, they totally on another level. Work rate, accuracy, reading the conditions, timing etc etc. it is like a county footballer stepping up to pro level and being totally swallowed up.
However.....
Having fished a match recently alongside 3 England anglers in pairs, and them getting 2 of the top 3 from different ends of the lake it is a different class in some respects.
One pair fishing next to one of the England boys, watched the fish close in, swim through a channel past all of their bait and their rods to the England lads bait and rods and drop straight on it time and time again. In disbelief I can add 😄
However.....
Having fished a match recently alongside 3 England anglers in pairs, and them getting 2 of the top 3 from different ends of the lake it is a different class in some respects.
One pair fishing next to one of the England boys, watched the fish close in, swim through a channel past all of their bait and their rods to the England lads bait and rods and drop straight on it time and time again. In disbelief I can add 😄
In reply to Post #137
Don't doubt they are skilful, however, you can only catch what's in front of you and carp match's pending stock density are hit and miss, it's death at the drawbag in a lot of cases, hot swims, the flyers, unless you have something special where the fish swim through a channel, ignore all other peoples bait to get to yours
Don't doubt they are skilful, however, you can only catch what's in front of you and carp match's pending stock density are hit and miss, it's death at the drawbag in a lot of cases, hot swims, the flyers, unless you have something special where the fish swim through a channel, ignore all other peoples bait to get to yours
In reply to Post #138
Sure its not April 1st with all the rubbish and conspiracy theories being banded about on here....
If there was such an additive that can pull fish from hundreds of yards and make them feed then every match fisherman, fly fisherman, bass fisherman etc would be onto it along with the multi billion pound world fishing industry...
or maybe us humble carp anglers have stumbled upon something ground breaking......I really think not....
Sure its not April 1st with all the rubbish and conspiracy theories being banded about on here....
If there was such an additive that can pull fish from hundreds of yards and make them feed then every match fisherman, fly fisherman, bass fisherman etc would be onto it along with the multi billion pound world fishing industry...
or maybe us humble carp anglers have stumbled upon something ground breaking......I really think not....
In reply to Post #139
I'd disagree that everyone would be doing it. Because some have ethics and most won't have any way of obtaining, what has been rumoured to be, prescription only substances illegally.
And a good job too. If every angler was doing it then angling would be banned extremely quickly.
I'd disagree that everyone would be doing it. Because some have ethics and most won't have any way of obtaining, what has been rumoured to be, prescription only substances illegally.
And a good job too. If every angler was doing it then angling would be banned extremely quickly.
In reply to Post #139
It's not so far fetched maybe...
If sharks can detect blood in the water at 1 part per million, then maybe other fish and other substances could have a similar effect.
Not that I'm endorsing the practice as it possibly is here.
I'm not one to be won over by hype of miracle additives or named anglers. Especially not in this case
It's not so far fetched maybe...
If sharks can detect blood in the water at 1 part per million, then maybe other fish and other substances could have a similar effect.
Not that I'm endorsing the practice as it possibly is here.
I'm not one to be won over by hype of miracle additives or named anglers. Especially not in this case
In reply to Post #141
Well, the first person has spoken on facebook. The person is question is talking about claiming damages etc and for the people that have posted such allegations to apologise via the social media platforms. I haven't actually seen his name being posted at all by anyone on any social media platforms?
Well, the first person has spoken on facebook. The person is question is talking about claiming damages etc and for the people that have posted such allegations to apologise via the social media platforms. I haven't actually seen his name being posted at all by anyone on any social media platforms?
In reply to Post #142
Say that again?
Say that again?
In reply to Post #142
It could be because he used to fish alot of carp matches with the other guy.He has given 72hours for removal of posts and apologies,be interesting to see how this develops
It could be because he used to fish alot of carp matches with the other guy.He has given 72hours for removal of posts and apologies,be interesting to see how this develops
In reply to Post #143
What part ?
What part ?
In reply to Post #145
All of it. It reads like gibberish.
All of it. It reads like gibberish.
In reply to Post #145
Who has spoken on Facebook?
Who has spoken on Facebook?
In reply to Post #147
Mark Bartlett
Mark Bartlett
In reply to Post #146
Reads perfectly fine
Reads perfectly fine
In reply to Post #148
Same statement on Kev Hewitt page as well?
Same statement on Kev Hewitt page as well?
In reply to Post #149
I'm struggling here. Sort of got the jist of it. Thinking more of others that English might not be their first language.
I'm struggling here. Sort of got the jist of it. Thinking more of others that English might not be their first language.
In reply to Post #59
Yes,
Yes,
In reply to Post #151
I've amended it slightly. I hope this helps everyone on here understand what I was trying to say.
I've amended it slightly. I hope this helps everyone on here understand what I was trying to say.
In reply to Post #153
This is better than any soap opera.... somebody wrote an interesting comment to the statement: "I do not, or have Ever used any illicit substance's which cannot be used in and around an Aquatic environment." so someone asked What about "illicit substances" that can be used in/around aquatic environment?? Saga continues
This is better than any soap opera.... somebody wrote an interesting comment to the statement: "I do not, or have Ever used any illicit substance's which cannot be used in and around an Aquatic environment." so someone asked What about "illicit substances" that can be used in/around aquatic environment?? Saga continues
In reply to Post #153
Cheers dude 👍
Cheers dude 👍
Kev Hewitt and Mark Bartlett have both just released the exact same statement on Facebook.
I would like to start off with saying thank you for all of the support I have received of late in regard of the false allegations, lies and defamation of character which have been made both directly and indirectly against me.
I have not responded earlier or discussed matters upon legal advice, also whilst evidence has been collated so the appropriate writs and claims for damages can be served accordingly to all persons involved with these false allegations with no evidence or proof against me.
I do not, or have Ever used any illicit substance's which cannot be used in and around an Aquatic environment.
I condemn any use of the alleged substances which have been suggested.
I can say that I have to date never seen another angler using such types of these so called “substance's”
I would say that to anyone who has created damaging content,posts, comments lies etc to consider your position, I will allow a 72hour window of opportunity for you to post an apology/retraction statement on your social media platforms or name who has given you false information to avoid any further legal action.
Again Thank you all who have supported me on this matter and that have been disgusted by the actions of a few, it has caused me a great deal of stress, issues and grief. Along with unnecessary abuse and mental impact. I do not wish for this to continue for ether myself or others as it will have a detrimental impact on their lives and well being.
Enjoy your fishing people ❤️
I would like to start off with saying thank you for all of the support I have received of late in regard of the false allegations, lies and defamation of character which have been made both directly and indirectly against me.
I have not responded earlier or discussed matters upon legal advice, also whilst evidence has been collated so the appropriate writs and claims for damages can be served accordingly to all persons involved with these false allegations with no evidence or proof against me.
I do not, or have Ever used any illicit substance's which cannot be used in and around an Aquatic environment.
I condemn any use of the alleged substances which have been suggested.
I can say that I have to date never seen another angler using such types of these so called “substance's”
I would say that to anyone who has created damaging content,posts, comments lies etc to consider your position, I will allow a 72hour window of opportunity for you to post an apology/retraction statement on your social media platforms or name who has given you false information to avoid any further legal action.
Again Thank you all who have supported me on this matter and that have been disgusted by the actions of a few, it has caused me a great deal of stress, issues and grief. Along with unnecessary abuse and mental impact. I do not wish for this to continue for ether myself or others as it will have a detrimental impact on their lives and well being.
Enjoy your fishing people ❤️
In reply to Post #153
What was the question
What was the question
In reply to Post #155
In reply to Post #154
Ah, see, there's plenty of those but none of them that I know of are “illicit”, they've been available for breeding koi and other fish for years.
Ah, see, there's plenty of those but none of them that I know of are “illicit”, they've been available for breeding koi and other fish for years.
In reply to Post #156
I've no idea who these blokes are and what they've supposedly caught but I did feel for them and thought if it was all lies they'd be fuming..
Zero respect for threats to grass people up to the internet police though 🐀
I've no idea who these blokes are and what they've supposedly caught but I did feel for them and thought if it was all lies they'd be fuming..
Zero respect for threats to grass people up to the internet police though 🐀
In reply to Post #160
Hopefully the legal jive is just to get people to pull posts. Would hate to hear that people have been taken to court over this.
On a positive note: this could in a way highlight that there are dodgy substances out there and must not be put in lakes/gravel pits and the likes.
Hopefully the legal jive is just to get people to pull posts. Would hate to hear that people have been taken to court over this.
On a positive note: this could in a way highlight that there are dodgy substances out there and must not be put in lakes/gravel pits and the likes.
In reply to Post #146
In reply to Post #161
At least 25G a pop for a libel or deformation case might get expensive
At least 25G a pop for a libel or deformation case might get expensive
In reply to Post #159
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In reply to Post #161
Anyone else think it's probably aimed at him Shelley after his post on Instagram of the two of them? Would make sense that mark posted about it.
I also noted that the wording around illicit substances that cannot be used... is a very much of a vague statement. Plenty of substances that are illegal to possess without certification can be used in the aquatic environment. They are used for fish farming globally.
Anyone else think it's probably aimed at him Shelley after his post on Instagram of the two of them? Would make sense that mark posted about it.
I also noted that the wording around illicit substances that cannot be used... is a very much of a vague statement. Plenty of substances that are illegal to possess without certification can be used in the aquatic environment. They are used for fish farming globally.
In reply to Post #165
Maker posted it too so unlikely imo. Aimed at everyone.
Maker posted it too so unlikely imo. Aimed at everyone.
In reply to Post #154
Exactly that, what a ****ing joke
On the grounds of..?
Cheap springs to mind
Exactly that, what a ****ing joke
On the grounds of..?
Cheap springs to mind
In reply to Post #156
If they are taking legal advice they should have got their counsel to prepare the statement, because that one is not very well written.
If they are taking legal advice they should have got their counsel to prepare the statement, because that one is not very well written.
In reply to Post #169
I get you TC, I just miss simpler times when everyone and his dog wasn't chasing the dollar and likes.
Maybe we”re actually in agreement lol
I get you TC, I just miss simpler times when everyone and his dog wasn't chasing the dollar and likes.
Maybe we”re actually in agreement lol
In reply to Post #100
Man has contradicted himself, whilst not reading or understanding other man's post...
Man ,new,..must learn ways of carpforun speak..lol..
Ha,ha...
Man has contradicted himself, whilst not reading or understanding other man's post...
Man ,new,..must learn ways of carpforun speak..lol..
Ha,ha...
In reply to Post #164
Another guy Wayne mansford has posted same statement on Instagram. Never heard of him 🤔
All these same statements reek of a coluded cover up to me.
Another guy Wayne mansford has posted same statement on Instagram. Never heard of him 🤔
All these same statements reek of a coluded cover up to me.
In reply to Post #172
Isn't Hughes a Lawyer aka England team manager 😉
Isn't Hughes a Lawyer aka England team manager 😉
In reply to Post #173
England team manager, lol. The absolute state of noddys infecting/ infesting carp angling. Stay in your own lane nods!
England team manager, lol. The absolute state of noddys infecting/ infesting carp angling. Stay in your own lane nods!
In reply to Post #172
I am gonna post that statement too.
People are totally gonna think I catch a lot of fish.
I am gonna post that statement too.
People are totally gonna think I catch a lot of fish.
In reply to Post #156
To be fair to them their denial is emphatic and surely we should take it at face value!? I don't know any of them, never met them, but that's no reason to not accept their word. We all have our little edges and guard them closely and they also deserve that right....I suspect that they are just bloody good anglers yet it's easier to pretend that they are using some ridiculous mythical product.
Let's hope this stops everybody going down this hormone wormhole....dread to think what is going to be chucked into our waters after this!
It was an intriguing story but let's hope that, like all stories, it has come to an end.
To be fair to them their denial is emphatic and surely we should take it at face value!? I don't know any of them, never met them, but that's no reason to not accept their word. We all have our little edges and guard them closely and they also deserve that right....I suspect that they are just bloody good anglers yet it's easier to pretend that they are using some ridiculous mythical product.
Let's hope this stops everybody going down this hormone wormhole....dread to think what is going to be chucked into our waters after this!
It was an intriguing story but let's hope that, like all stories, it has come to an end.
In reply to Post #175
Lol 😆
Lol 😆
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In reply to Post #176
All seems a bit odd to me posting exact same statement. Nothing personal about it. Ambiguous to say the least. If you were going to come out and post something like that why not say " I do not and never will use hormone substances in my fishing"
But let's get the dustpan and brush out and move on eh
All seems a bit odd to me posting exact same statement. Nothing personal about it. Ambiguous to say the least. If you were going to come out and post something like that why not say " I do not and never will use hormone substances in my fishing"
But let's get the dustpan and brush out and move on eh
I've been out fishing today,..simple stuff,you know, bit of float fishing and some marginal quiver tipping..
Had some good perch to 2lb,14oz...some nice roach,nice peaceful time...
Seems so far removed from carp angling,shame carping has gone this way,was ,it seems once a nice pursuit,now look at it ..
Money ,greed ,false rumours,true rumours,threats of litigation..
Soon as money and over popularity becomes evident,becomes the road to self ruination,a bit like football...and we all know what football has become...
'Man sees into the future,carp fishing impoding'and bringing down the rest of angling with it potentially..
No conspiracy theory needed here,carping is on a downward spiral...wait and see...
Had some good perch to 2lb,14oz...some nice roach,nice peaceful time...
Seems so far removed from carp angling,shame carping has gone this way,was ,it seems once a nice pursuit,now look at it ..
Money ,greed ,false rumours,true rumours,threats of litigation..
Soon as money and over popularity becomes evident,becomes the road to self ruination,a bit like football...and we all know what football has become...
'Man sees into the future,carp fishing impoding'and bringing down the rest of angling with it potentially..
No conspiracy theory needed here,carping is on a downward spiral...wait and see...
In reply to Post #180
Nice size perch that mate 👌
Nice size perch that mate 👌
In reply to Post #180
Tip my hat to that 👍
Tip my hat to that 👍
In reply to Post #182
Thanks both...
Chap I went with,cane n pin,sometimes a bit of old skool glass,Mitchell's, caps ,and homemade gear,floats a proper proper angler...do you know what he's brilliant at fishing ,far,far better than me,anyway today was a special day ,because he equalled his roach pb ,caught in 1977..been trying for a genuine two ever since...
We exchanged gifts,me a maids pasty,him a lemon drizzle cake,shook hands and fished..
Not a mention of litigation or anything other than enjoying the day...
Proper fishing,proper company...how it should be,
Things have changed...we ALL need to change our outlook towards carp angling because it'll go to the dogs..!
Thanks both...
Chap I went with,cane n pin,sometimes a bit of old skool glass,Mitchell's, caps ,and homemade gear,floats a proper proper angler...do you know what he's brilliant at fishing ,far,far better than me,anyway today was a special day ,because he equalled his roach pb ,caught in 1977..been trying for a genuine two ever since...
We exchanged gifts,me a maids pasty,him a lemon drizzle cake,shook hands and fished..
Not a mention of litigation or anything other than enjoying the day...
Proper fishing,proper company...how it should be,
Things have changed...we ALL need to change our outlook towards carp angling because it'll go to the dogs..!
In reply to Post #172
An England team angler.
An England team angler.
In reply to Post #179
All England or ex-England anglers. All have done very well in competitive fishing,
All England or ex-England anglers. All have done very well in competitive fishing,
In reply to Post #180
So much money available from big brands, sponsorships, competition prize money in excess of £25k, etc etc.
What is the annual profit of Korda, Mainline, Fox, Free Spirit??
Money and greed, Same way football has gone along with many professional sports.
Sadly, this is the case.
So much money available from big brands, sponsorships, competition prize money in excess of £25k, etc etc.
What is the annual profit of Korda, Mainline, Fox, Free Spirit??
Money and greed, Same way football has gone along with many professional sports.
Sadly, this is the case.
Football is a poor comparison ... the product of "football" is far improved since the explosion of financial investment and TV coverage. Carp angling has done the opposite unfortunately,
In reply to Post #187
So much money available from big brands, sponsorships, competition prize money in excess of £25k, etc etc.
What is the annual profit of Korda, Mainline, Fox, Free Spirit??
Enough money for a comfortable living at the very top tier of these companies maybe, but come a run or two down the heirachy ladder and the money earnt probably drops off dramatically.
£25k is peanuts prize money for winning an elite competition and in terms of hours committed, a pretty poor retun. I think its too easy to blame money, but in reality there isnt a great deal on offer anyway.
The biggest problems in angling has always been ego and jealousy and that will never change .... and more recently social media, All of which have a connection to each other,
So much money available from big brands, sponsorships, competition prize money in excess of £25k, etc etc.
What is the annual profit of Korda, Mainline, Fox, Free Spirit??
Enough money for a comfortable living at the very top tier of these companies maybe, but come a run or two down the heirachy ladder and the money earnt probably drops off dramatically.
£25k is peanuts prize money for winning an elite competition and in terms of hours committed, a pretty poor retun. I think its too easy to blame money, but in reality there isnt a great deal on offer anyway.
The biggest problems in angling has always been ego and jealousy and that will never change .... and more recently social media, All of which have a connection to each other,
In reply to Post #188
It's a double edged sword. More choices, better tech. More plebs on the bank.
It's a double edged sword. More choices, better tech. More plebs on the bank.
In reply to Post #184
Off the back of that link
The only way I can see that if this is being put into a water by unscrupulous anglers is a dye in the water that then highlights it and action could then be taken, obviously the reaction with the dye and the reaction thereafter would be dependent on how much gear is going in. Bearing in mind that this is just my own mental gymnastics at play here, places are already dyed and how such a thing could be implemented alongside waters that currently dye their waters is anyone's guess.
Until this tread went up, I had no idea about any of this. What's mentioned in that link is a great worry, I mean, ****s leaving packaging in the bushes, the hell's wrong with people? So you're packing up and doing the right thing grabbing litter in your swim that was there before you started fishing that could potentially adversely affect your own health, c..ts springs to mind, top speed c..ts!
Off the back of that link
The only way I can see that if this is being put into a water by unscrupulous anglers is a dye in the water that then highlights it and action could then be taken, obviously the reaction with the dye and the reaction thereafter would be dependent on how much gear is going in. Bearing in mind that this is just my own mental gymnastics at play here, places are already dyed and how such a thing could be implemented alongside waters that currently dye their waters is anyone's guess.
Until this tread went up, I had no idea about any of this. What's mentioned in that link is a great worry, I mean, ****s leaving packaging in the bushes, the hell's wrong with people? So you're packing up and doing the right thing grabbing litter in your swim that was there before you started fishing that could potentially adversely affect your own health, c..ts springs to mind, top speed c..ts!
In reply to Post #184
a good one, says a lot and the point they make with lets stop to pretend it is not happening is the the one people should focus on.
a good one, says a lot and the point they make with lets stop to pretend it is not happening is the the one people should focus on.
In reply to Post #193
*Tell someone THEY'RE stupid
Ffs
*Tell someone THEY'RE stupid
Ffs
In reply to Post #193
What a bellend
What a bellend
In reply to Post #194
Welcome to generation Facebook noj. ....
Welcome to generation Facebook noj. ....
In reply to Post #193
Anyone else remember far enough back when carp angling was a hobby?
And angling in general was an individual pastime to be enjoyed.
I love this picture and as I get older it gets more meaningful
And angling in general was an individual pastime to be enjoyed.
I love this picture and as I get older it gets more meaningful
Having now read the statements, and trawled all the way back through this utter s**t show of a thread it's shown me what I suspected and what we have all known for a long time there are a lot of jealous little children in carp angling. There are also a lot of ‘council estate scientists' ‘mad experts in aquatic ecology' and all round idiots who simply can't accept there are people out there better than them.
The other funny thing is people posting slander on social media platforms and forums thinking they aren't accountable for it, Kev mentions defamation of character posts a statement and people on here laugh it off, I actually hope he goes through with it then there will be a lot of idiots getting legal notices and suddenly cacking themselves
The other funny thing is people posting slander on social media platforms and forums thinking they aren't accountable for it, Kev mentions defamation of character posts a statement and people on here laugh it off, I actually hope he goes through with it then there will be a lot of idiots getting legal notices and suddenly cacking themselves
In reply to Post #199
The YouTube follow up posted below is interesting, clear evidence of it happening, even one guy admitting to using it before. And the statement which I found most interesting was the one where they said that "if named anglers were using it they will surely stop now" .
In reply to Post #199
You seriously think he will be paying for legal action against Facebook comments?
You seriously think he will be paying for legal action against Facebook comments?
In reply to Post #199
so you don't find it odd 4 anglers have all posted exact same questionable statement? Threatening legal action on the basis of what?! No one from what I can tell has mentioned their names, you cant just threaten legal just because they feel like people might think its them. End of the day the carp chronicles have proof etc of the substance being used, maybe not by the mentioned anglers but its a problem and needs to be addressed. And if your a known angler and that's your job to be out there promoting etc and you have some suspicious catches using same tactics which most other anglers also use and hormones are also being used, then I think its only normal for questions to be asked.
so you don't find it odd 4 anglers have all posted exact same questionable statement? Threatening legal action on the basis of what?! No one from what I can tell has mentioned their names, you cant just threaten legal just because they feel like people might think its them. End of the day the carp chronicles have proof etc of the substance being used, maybe not by the mentioned anglers but its a problem and needs to be addressed. And if your a known angler and that's your job to be out there promoting etc and you have some suspicious catches using same tactics which most other anglers also use and hormones are also being used, then I think its only normal for questions to be asked.
In reply to Post #199
Its one things saying you will go after people for defamation of character, its another actually doing it.
Whilst, if he is innocent, this statement will hopefully put a line through it for him, the scale of actually doing what his statement reflects is huge, would require a large amount of funding and i cant see many barristers taking it on as a case personally.
Its one things saying you will go after people for defamation of character, its another actually doing it.
Whilst, if he is innocent, this statement will hopefully put a line through it for him, the scale of actually doing what his statement reflects is huge, would require a large amount of funding and i cant see many barristers taking it on as a case personally.
In reply to Post #203
No it doesn't, it's all just jealous apparently
No it doesn't, it's all just jealous apparently
In reply to Post #205
There is of course jealousy, loads of it in carp fishing its shocking I agree with that. On the flip side there is a lot of brown nosing to these anglers and alike, thinking they are all friendly with them. Some of the comments are embarrassing, even known anglers replying playing dumb to the matter. Not saying there is a conspiracy going on but this is definitely getting brushed under the carpet lets face it. Hopefully a 'no hormone use in a fishing situation' will be a rule rolled out across the industry as a minimum and anyone using it who is caught faces the consequences.
There is of course jealousy, loads of it in carp fishing its shocking I agree with that. On the flip side there is a lot of brown nosing to these anglers and alike, thinking they are all friendly with them. Some of the comments are embarrassing, even known anglers replying playing dumb to the matter. Not saying there is a conspiracy going on but this is definitely getting brushed under the carpet lets face it. Hopefully a 'no hormone use in a fishing situation' will be a rule rolled out across the industry as a minimum and anyone using it who is caught faces the consequences.
In reply to Post #206
Spot on mate. Definitely trying to brush it under the carpet going on. It's gone too far for that to happen though fortunately
Spot on mate. Definitely trying to brush it under the carpet going on. It's gone too far for that to happen though fortunately
In reply to Post #199
100% jealousy!!! It is a f..... bloodworm liquid
100% jealousy!!! It is a f..... bloodworm liquid
In reply to Post #206
Asking questions is fine but some of the comments made towards these anglers is not on.If it comes out to be true and people have real evidence it has been going on then yes they deserve whatever comes their way.Has anyone on here actually got evidence,I have seen two of the anglers take oxlease apart in the snow.They were putting no bait out at all,just zigs 2 foot off the bottom,were they cheating and doing something then because I certainly saw no special liquids or powders
Asking questions is fine but some of the comments made towards these anglers is not on.If it comes out to be true and people have real evidence it has been going on then yes they deserve whatever comes their way.Has anyone on here actually got evidence,I have seen two of the anglers take oxlease apart in the snow.They were putting no bait out at all,just zigs 2 foot off the bottom,were they cheating and doing something then because I certainly saw no special liquids or powders
In reply to Post #209
You wouldnt see them though would you? Nobody is going to advertise the fact they are using this stuff
You wouldnt see them though would you? Nobody is going to advertise the fact they are using this stuff
In reply to Post #210
They were putting no bait out at all,could it have been put on a tiny black piece of foam and pulled fish in from all over the lake.I doubt it very much and one of them tied a rig up whilst we were talking to them and got the foam out of the packet it comes in.He must of had the hormone already coated on it I'm guessing
They were putting no bait out at all,could it have been put on a tiny black piece of foam and pulled fish in from all over the lake.I doubt it very much and one of them tied a rig up whilst we were talking to them and got the foam out of the packet it comes in.He must of had the hormone already coated on it I'm guessing
In reply to Post #209
The regs at bluebells have seen whatever it is a certain angler uses, shown to them by angler quite openly. Someone should ask one of them.
The regs at bluebells have seen whatever it is a certain angler uses, shown to them by angler quite openly. Someone should ask one of them.
In reply to Post #211
Who knows? That's my point. People jumping to defend these guys just don't know. If they are using it they should be hung out to dry, if they aren't then anyone naming them specifically should be held accountable for that. It's way too up in the air for anyone to say for sure who is and isn't using or has or hasn't used it in the past. What's clear is this has and is going on, and as a whole angling needs to deal with it. And that means addressing it and not just ignoring it,putting it down to jealousy, or all the other nonsense being spouted about just get on with your own angling. We won't have our own angling much longer with that attitude.
Who knows? That's my point. People jumping to defend these guys just don't know. If they are using it they should be hung out to dry, if they aren't then anyone naming them specifically should be held accountable for that. It's way too up in the air for anyone to say for sure who is and isn't using or has or hasn't used it in the past. What's clear is this has and is going on, and as a whole angling needs to deal with it. And that means addressing it and not just ignoring it,putting it down to jealousy, or all the other nonsense being spouted about just get on with your own angling. We won't have our own angling much longer with that attitude.
In reply to Post #213
What happened to innocent until proven guilty,if certain names are found to be up to no good then what should happen to them.Should they lose their jobs,pay hefty fines,stoned in the streets with 3.5oz leads,what else
What happened to innocent until proven guilty,if certain names are found to be up to no good then what should happen to them.Should they lose their jobs,pay hefty fines,stoned in the streets with 3.5oz leads,what else
In reply to Post #214
Nothing happened to innocent until proven guilty, as I've said it needs dealing with either way. And yes they should lose their jobs etc and face bans if guilty . As an example If you drive for a living and lose your licence, you lose your job. Why should this be any different? It won't get proven now anyway because anyone high profile will stop using it. For now at least
Nothing happened to innocent until proven guilty, as I've said it needs dealing with either way. And yes they should lose their jobs etc and face bans if guilty . As an example If you drive for a living and lose your licence, you lose your job. Why should this be any different? It won't get proven now anyway because anyone high profile will stop using it. For now at least
In reply to Post #215
I guess we will all have to see what happens
I guess we will all have to see what happens
In reply to Post #216
Nothing much will I don't think, not to anyone known anyway unless they are one of the guilty ones and continue to use it.
Nothing much will I don't think, not to anyone known anyway unless they are one of the guilty ones and continue to use it.
In reply to Post #216
This would never go to court, although maybe people shouldn't throw stones without firmer evidence than hearsay.
If it did, then the process would not start with the anglers. It would start with where the hormone was sourced, and if vets have bought in from suppliers at either elevated levels, or cannot account for all they have supplied to. If there was a vet/vet nurse that was in relationship with an angler that was suspected of using it, and that vet/vet nurse could not account for their purchases/dispensing on the product/s, then there could be enough for a case... If people's pockets are deep enough.
This would never go to court, although maybe people shouldn't throw stones without firmer evidence than hearsay.
If it did, then the process would not start with the anglers. It would start with where the hormone was sourced, and if vets have bought in from suppliers at either elevated levels, or cannot account for all they have supplied to. If there was a vet/vet nurse that was in relationship with an angler that was suspected of using it, and that vet/vet nurse could not account for their purchases/dispensing on the product/s, then there could be enough for a case... If people's pockets are deep enough.
In reply to Post #218
Could be that's it's brought over from somewhere were laws etc are too lax. You could have shady vets over here, I'd be more inclined to think of who it's been supplied to would most likely be the ones doling this stuff out. Until someone is caught or fesses up, well never really know with it just being pure speculation from all parties concerned.
Could be that's it's brought over from somewhere were laws etc are too lax. You could have shady vets over here, I'd be more inclined to think of who it's been supplied to would most likely be the ones doling this stuff out. Until someone is caught or fesses up, well never really know with it just being pure speculation from all parties concerned.
In reply to Post #219
Remember when edges couldnt be bought in tackle shops and were something you wouldnt associate with carp and fishing? Well not anymore... "I don't use anything that cannot be purchased from a tackle shop or ccmoore website...."
Remember when edges couldnt be bought in tackle shops and were something you wouldnt associate with carp and fishing? Well not anymore... "I don't use anything that cannot be purchased from a tackle shop or ccmoore website...."
In reply to Post #220
*bloodworms*
Woman's period juices.... 🤢 Blood & worms. Cracked the code 😀
*bloodworms*
Woman's period juices.... 🤢 Blood & worms. Cracked the code 😀
In reply to Post #193
I'm not sure you even qualify as Zulu-Male with posts like that. This isn't facebook.
I'm not sure you even qualify as Zulu-Male with posts like that. This isn't facebook.
In reply to Post #222
Think you mean gamma male, the omega male being the lowest 👈
Think you mean gamma male, the omega male being the lowest 👈
In reply to Post #193
* They're
Or their stupid what?
* They're
Or their stupid what?
In reply to Post #223
It was a quick screengrab, my bad without a thorough check. But it'll give the keyboard warriors something to jump on and get their post count up on here. If this thread has highlighted anything, it's a lot of folks have some serious time on their hands and need a life outside the internet, fkn helmets. I can see now why so many give this forum a wide berth. And why this place is in decline with this Bunch of clicky jealous sad c**ts.
It was a quick screengrab, my bad without a thorough check. But it'll give the keyboard warriors something to jump on and get their post count up on here. If this thread has highlighted anything, it's a lot of folks have some serious time on their hands and need a life outside the internet, fkn helmets. I can see now why so many give this forum a wide berth. And why this place is in decline with this Bunch of clicky jealous sad c**ts.
In reply to Post #225
You're still on it though 😂
You're still on it though 😂
In reply to Post #225
yea i have a 9 till 5 desk job so always got this open on a tab
yea i have a 9 till 5 desk job so always got this open on a tab
In reply to Post #225
the irony is immense
the irony is immense
In reply to Post #227
Amazing how we can work and post at the same time ain't it...
Amazing how we can work and post at the same time ain't it...
In reply to Post #229
Alpha's don't multitask - that there's women's work......
Alpha's don't multitask - that there's women's work......
In reply to Post #225
A thorough check
It's the 3rd word
And people are jealous? Of what? being a thick ****?
A thorough checkIt's the 3rd word
And people are jealous? Of what? being a thick ****?
In reply to Post #225
That told em
That told em
In reply to Post #230
Or just people with some sort of intelligence...
Or just people with some sort of intelligence...
In the statement, they don't actually deny using hormones. Just not using illicit substances. In any case, t least they have denied something
In reply to Post #225
Stay mad bro.
Pro tip: stay away from Tumblr meme's, they're proper s4it. That meme gave me Cancer.
Stay mad bro.
Pro tip: stay away from Tumblr meme's, they're proper s4it. That meme gave me Cancer.
Right as bradders said asking questions is fine, but he makes his living from angling, Facebook comments can ruin a reputation, unless people post irrefutable proof of him doing it it's defamation and slander, we live in a modern world, social media posts especially ones like the ones I have seen are 100% admissible in court, it would be a class action lawsuit against multiple people, plus there is legal aid, plus the posts on here suggesting Cc Moore are involved they 100% have the money to bring a class action suit against multiple people, why do you think so few outright name the anglers?? Because they can get sued, you all bang on about people waking up to what's going on, but are blind to the fact the minute you post on a social media site or public forum you leave a digital footprint that is ridiculously easy to trace.
In reply to Post #236
Legal aid is not applicable for Liable or deformation cases. Class actions are not permitted in the United Kingdom per se although we do have collective forms of litigation available such as “Group Litigation Orders”.
What are people jealous of exactly?
Legal aid is not applicable for Liable or deformation cases. Class actions are not permitted in the United Kingdom per se although we do have collective forms of litigation available such as “Group Litigation Orders”.
What are people jealous of exactly?
If people are using substances legal or illegal that induce involuntary feeding and pull fish in from all over the lake then it is a very sad day for angling this is just catch at any cost with most skill sets and sporting chance gone out of the window.
In my view if things like this are being used by anglers to deceive other anglers, earn money through sponsorship deals or prize money . promoting companies etc, then any such person or people covering it up would never have any respect of mine or the vast majority of anglers i have spoken to.
In my view if things like this are being used by anglers to deceive other anglers, earn money through sponsorship deals or prize money . promoting companies etc, then any such person or people covering it up would never have any respect of mine or the vast majority of anglers i have spoken to.
In reply to Post #236
Check you out.
So bods on the internet point accusing fingers towards some anglers and their feels gots hurted? Do me a favour. The mental anguish part of their posts was comical. What are you, you one of their fluffers on your days off?
Check you out.
So bods on the internet point accusing fingers towards some anglers and their feels gots hurted? Do me a favour. The mental anguish part of their posts was comical. What are you, you one of their fluffers on your days off?
In reply to Post #237
Fine wrong terminology group litigation order
Fine wrong terminology group litigation order
In reply to Post #240
You're still not understanding or how a group litigation works are you 😂
You're still not understanding or how a group litigation works are you 😂
In reply to Post #241
If you think I'm wrong do explain
If you think I'm wrong do explain
In reply to Post #242
He already did.
He already did.
In reply to Post #236
So CCmoore is going to stump up £150k+ to take out a lawsuit against multiple randoms on FFacebook for what gain? To force them to delete their comments
If there is no evidence any of them have done anything wrong, then this will all blow over in a few weeks or months. If they drag it though the courts it will stay relevant for years untill it's settled.
Honestly I have no doubt some peoole use illicit substances, but I wouldn't belive they are used at a high level, I just couldn't see it being done without people catching on and someone blabbing. People never keep their mouth shut.
But the fact a few people have been accused, and then suddenly threatened legal action ect has made me question that. It just seems weird to me. I think they were better off saying nothing rather than a scripted press release.
So CCmoore is going to stump up £150k+ to take out a lawsuit against multiple randoms on FFacebook for what gain? To force them to delete their comments
If there is no evidence any of them have done anything wrong, then this will all blow over in a few weeks or months. If they drag it though the courts it will stay relevant for years untill it's settled.
Honestly I have no doubt some peoole use illicit substances, but I wouldn't belive they are used at a high level, I just couldn't see it being done without people catching on and someone blabbing. People never keep their mouth shut.
But the fact a few people have been accused, and then suddenly threatened legal action ect has made me question that. It just seems weird to me. I think they were better off saying nothing rather than a scripted press release.
In reply to Post #236
To be successful with a defamation case you need to be able to clearly demonstrate the comments have had a direct impact on a loss of income. How can he or anyone prove they have lost money directly because of a Facebook post saying he allegedly used a hormone as a bait..... it's the same argument as someone saying he did do it.... Neither have any proof.
To be successful with a defamation case you need to be able to clearly demonstrate the comments have had a direct impact on a loss of income. How can he or anyone prove they have lost money directly because of a Facebook post saying he allegedly used a hormone as a bait..... it's the same argument as someone saying he did do it.... Neither have any proof.
In reply to Post #245
How else can they try and silence people?
How else can they try and silence people?
In reply to Post #246
Maybe they could ask mo salah... he managed to shut 50000 mancs up last weekend....
Maybe they could ask mo salah... he managed to shut 50000 mancs up last weekend....
In reply to Post #247
In reply to Post #247
**** off
**** off
In reply to Post #245
A bait company had a lawyer send me threats after I wrote some stuff about their bait and their bait maker on Facebook.
It just ended with the lawyer giving me up after 5-6 emails and stopped replying.
The trick seem to be to ask a lot of questions, one at the time. Every reply the lawyer write cost the insulted party a lot of money.
A bait company had a lawyer send me threats after I wrote some stuff about their bait and their bait maker on Facebook.
It just ended with the lawyer giving me up after 5-6 emails and stopped replying.
The trick seem to be to ask a lot of questions, one at the time. Every reply the lawyer write cost the insulted party a lot of money.
In reply to Post #250
Brilliant! The best way to deal with situations like that... Unfortunately my ex wife used this tactic 🙈😂 Sorry, completely off topic but sort of made me giggle in a masochistic way...
Brilliant! The best way to deal with situations like that... Unfortunately my ex wife used this tactic 🙈😂 Sorry, completely off topic but sort of made me giggle in a masochistic way...
In reply to Post #251
An interesting post by Steve Renyard on Insta.... Good luck to him telling it like it is....
An interesting post by Steve Renyard on Insta.... Good luck to him telling it like it is....
In reply to Post #244
People have blabbed though, Carp Chronicles have said they've even had people tell them that they've used it and even fishery owners that have suspected it's use. But as well as not naming people for obvious reasons (these threats of legal action), retrospectively it's impossible to prove any specific individual has used it - so any individual that has used it, can quite confidently deny all knowledge and threaten legal action against their accusers.
That's why the names thing is pointless, what matters is that it's out in the open now and hopefully it's use should vastly drop.
People have blabbed though, Carp Chronicles have said they've even had people tell them that they've used it and even fishery owners that have suspected it's use. But as well as not naming people for obvious reasons (these threats of legal action), retrospectively it's impossible to prove any specific individual has used it - so any individual that has used it, can quite confidently deny all knowledge and threaten legal action against their accusers.
That's why the names thing is pointless, what matters is that it's out in the open now and hopefully it's use should vastly drop.
In reply to Post #253
If those anglers have used said substance and caught on it, if they then stop using said substance, surely their catch rate will now drop, thus raising suspicion even further ??
If those anglers have used said substance and caught on it, if they then stop using said substance, surely their catch rate will now drop, thus raising suspicion even further ??
In reply to Post #254
They won't stop using it now. If it's easy to hide in your spod mix or freebies for instance.
Who's going to notice if it's only a small amount of powder/liquid added to either?
They won't stop using it now. If it's easy to hide in your spod mix or freebies for instance.
Who's going to notice if it's only a small amount of powder/liquid added to either?
In reply to Post #252
What has he said?
Trouble with all these mugs who are supposed to have been using it, it has the potential to seriously damage genuine people's catches and that is way out of order, somebody thinks your a cheat when you are not
Not a good image at all
What has he said?
Trouble with all these mugs who are supposed to have been using it, it has the potential to seriously damage genuine people's catches and that is way out of order, somebody thinks your a cheat when you are not
Not a good image at all
In reply to Post #256
Well, the two Carp Chronicles podcasts have disappeared off iTunes.
Well, the two Carp Chronicles podcasts have disappeared off iTunes.
In reply to Post #257
Ffs and Spotify.
As I thought dustpan and brush job. The higher powers have spoken.
Ffs and Spotify.
As I thought dustpan and brush job. The higher powers have spoken.
In reply to Post #256
The more you think about it – the ramifications from the actions of just a handful I presume “Fish at all cost brigade” is scary!!!!
Who the hell is going to buy a Carp magazine anymore, when the contents have the potential of having zero credibility?
Who's going to take any notice of a sponsored angler promoting bait anymore?
I can unfortunately see all well known "Carp" anglers all being tarred with the same brush, even if they are 100% legit.
I hope the ones who have been doing these utterly stupid practices realise just what they have done.
Why the hell could they not just rely on good old Skill like most of us do, I won't ever dream of using a Baitboat, Deeper or stupid Drone as I don't want to cheat myself - it's me trying to outwit a wild creature on a level playing field of my choosing.
Now people using Hormones! Makes my ethics look rather trivial.
The more you think about it – the ramifications from the actions of just a handful I presume “Fish at all cost brigade” is scary!!!!
Who the hell is going to buy a Carp magazine anymore, when the contents have the potential of having zero credibility?
Who's going to take any notice of a sponsored angler promoting bait anymore?
I can unfortunately see all well known "Carp" anglers all being tarred with the same brush, even if they are 100% legit.
I hope the ones who have been doing these utterly stupid practices realise just what they have done.
Why the hell could they not just rely on good old Skill like most of us do, I won't ever dream of using a Baitboat, Deeper or stupid Drone as I don't want to cheat myself - it's me trying to outwit a wild creature on a level playing field of my choosing.
Now people using Hormones! Makes my ethics look rather trivial.
In reply to Post #258
Yep been taken down of all media platforms.. managed to listen to both. And to be honest they didnt tell you a lot.. So I wouldn't of thought it's for legal reasons.. Maybe Sam might come on here and tell us why? That's if hes not on the the Run from the Carp fishing Illuminarte..
Yep been taken down of all media platforms.. managed to listen to both. And to be honest they didnt tell you a lot.. So I wouldn't of thought it's for legal reasons.. Maybe Sam might come on here and tell us why? That's if hes not on the the Run from the Carp fishing Illuminarte..
In reply to Post #260
Agree... there wasnt a single thing on them why should they be afraid of legal actions... maybe there are some other actions involved... hope they say why they removed them...
Agree... there wasnt a single thing on them why should they be afraid of legal actions... maybe there are some other actions involved... hope they say why they removed them...
In reply to Post #259
Well said Defiant One.... And i thought it was just me that had'nt sold out to the boat,deeper, drone... edges(cough)..... :(
Well said Defiant One.... And i thought it was just me that had'nt sold out to the boat,deeper, drone... edges(cough)..... :(
In reply to Post #252
I thought that as well;
steve_renyard
I see the carpworld is being turned upside down which is about time . There's too many people falsely betraying the ideology of our awesome sport in another guise. I've been involved in this game 44 years now literally from its inception. Too see the **** put out today sickens me and many of the top boys that invented our sport . Apart from misleading the public our new world takes away the love of one man trying to outwit his quarry . The art of fishing is precious and that will always be deep rooted in my bones . Play with fire expect to get burnt . You learn what you can and crack on . Have a nice day everyone
Read into that what you will....
I thought that as well;
steve_renyard
I see the carpworld is being turned upside down which is about time . There's too many people falsely betraying the ideology of our awesome sport in another guise. I've been involved in this game 44 years now literally from its inception. Too see the **** put out today sickens me and many of the top boys that invented our sport . Apart from misleading the public our new world takes away the love of one man trying to outwit his quarry . The art of fishing is precious and that will always be deep rooted in my bones . Play with fire expect to get burnt . You learn what you can and crack on . Have a nice day everyone
Read into that what you will....
In reply to Post #259
Similar thoughts to me Keith, poor show
Similar thoughts to me Keith, poor show
In reply to Post #263
Just to be clear, I'm not being pedantic, just point out nonsense when I see it.
"I've been involved in this game 44 years now literally from its inception."
Fishing specifically for carp has been around much longer than this sentence makes out. Take Gerry on here for instance, he's being fishing for carp since the 60's...the old fart 😁
The rest of what he says I agree with and is on point.
Just to be clear, I'm not being pedantic, just point out nonsense when I see it.
"I've been involved in this game 44 years now literally from its inception."
Fishing specifically for carp has been around much longer than this sentence makes out. Take Gerry on here for instance, he's being fishing for carp since the 60's...the old fart 😁
The rest of what he says I agree with and is on point.
In reply to Post #263
I read that he clearly knows naff all like the rest of us, if he did then surely he would of spoken out about it sooner?
I read that he clearly knows naff all like the rest of us, if he did then surely he would of spoken out about it sooner?
In reply to Post #245
I never said it would be easy lol
I never said it would be easy lol
In reply to Post #267
You said:-
"Facebook comments can ruin a reputation, unless people post irrefutable proof of him doing it it's defamation & slander "
I said:-
It's no defamation
You said:-
"Facebook comments can ruin a reputation, unless people post irrefutable proof of him doing it it's defamation & slander "
I said:-
It's no defamation
In reply to Post #245
One of the anglers owns a fishery,if suddenly bookings started to drop on the back of these allegations is that grounds to sue for defamation.
One of the anglers owns a fishery,if suddenly bookings started to drop on the back of these allegations is that grounds to sue for defamation.
In reply to Post #266
He fished bluebell regularly. He knows what's going on. The regular on there have been all over trying to obtain the secret since long before the CC podcast came out. Why they've all kept quiet is beyond me tbh.
He fished bluebell regularly. He knows what's going on. The regular on there have been all over trying to obtain the secret since long before the CC podcast came out. Why they've all kept quiet is beyond me tbh.
In reply to Post #269
The real funny thing is. Look at all the comments on these guys public statements. Most anglers have no idea that these guys have been accused of anything. People only know that these guys think they are being accused, because they have put out statements saying they are innocent.
Has anyone actually publicly accused these guys? Becasue from an outsiders point of view. It looks like people have been talking about the use of illicit substances being used, and a random group of people have put out statements saying its not them and threatening legal action
The real funny thing is. Look at all the comments on these guys public statements. Most anglers have no idea that these guys have been accused of anything. People only know that these guys think they are being accused, because they have put out statements saying they are innocent.
Has anyone actually publicly accused these guys? Becasue from an outsiders point of view. It looks like people have been talking about the use of illicit substances being used, and a random group of people have put out statements saying its not them and threatening legal action
In reply to Post #271
Comments have been directed at them directly on their Facebook pages.Im glad I don't do any form of social media apart from this forum
Comments have been directed at them directly on their Facebook pages.Im glad I don't do any form of social media apart from this forum
In reply to Post #269
Its not
There would have to be a clear link to the cancellation of a booking to a specific post for it to be considered. Then for it to be worthwhile enough to pursue it would have be a repeat of that instance a huge amount of times.
ie. I want to cancel my booking because Joe bloggs wrote xyz about you on facebook and i believe it and as such do not want to fish you lake.
You really think this is going to happen enough times? Or you think people are just going to ring and say change of plan/ or more then likely just not turn up.
Its not
There would have to be a clear link to the cancellation of a booking to a specific post for it to be considered. Then for it to be worthwhile enough to pursue it would have be a repeat of that instance a huge amount of times.
ie. I want to cancel my booking because Joe bloggs wrote xyz about you on facebook and i believe it and as such do not want to fish you lake.
You really think this is going to happen enough times? Or you think people are just going to ring and say change of plan/ or more then likely just not turn up.
In reply to Post #273
I was just asking because surely people can't just post things online for everyone to see and there be no repercussions
I was just asking because surely people can't just post things online for everyone to see and there be no repercussions
In reply to Post #274
Why not the Sun makes a business out of it
I'm not saying it right at all, some of the stuff i have read was out of order. I'm just saying that its actually hard to follow through and get a result from.
From the second podcast that has since been took down they quite clearly claimed it wasn't any of the 3 who have been closely linked to it all. And as a lot have said there no solid evidence to link anything to anyone using any type of hormone
Why not the Sun makes a business out of it
I'm not saying it right at all, some of the stuff i have read was out of order. I'm just saying that its actually hard to follow through and get a result from.
From the second podcast that has since been took down they quite clearly claimed it wasn't any of the 3 who have been closely linked to it all. And as a lot have said there no solid evidence to link anything to anyone using any type of hormone
In reply to Post #272
Where? You're telling me comments have been directed at them on social media, but you don't use social media?
I havent seen these comments where are they?
Where? You're telling me comments have been directed at them on social media, but you don't use social media?
I havent seen these comments where are they?
In reply to Post #275
Thats true about the Sun I have just asked a mate who is well up on things like this.He said it would be really hard for it to go any further but if they got decent solicitors involved and the comments have reached a big enough audience then they could go for libel.Im not sure how that would work as I have never had any dealings with the law as I'm a good boy
Thats true about the Sun
I have just asked a mate who is well up on things like this.He said it would be really hard for it to go any further but if they got decent solicitors involved and the comments have reached a big enough audience then they could go for libel.Im not sure how that would work as I have never had any dealings with the law as I'm a good boy
In reply to Post #276
It's on their Facebook pages apparently,my mate keeps me upto date on the goings on.It is believable a carp angler doesn't use twitter,insta,or Facebook you know
It's on their Facebook pages apparently,my mate keeps me upto date on the goings on.It is believable a carp angler doesn't use twitter,insta,or Facebook you know
In reply to Post #278
So second hand information with no proof?
Has anyone here seen anything posted. Where is it?
So second hand information with no proof?
Has anyone here seen anything posted. Where is it?
In reply to Post #279
I've said before I've not seen one post where there names have been mentioned in using said substance, so I do not see how legally they have any leg to stand on at all. Its their decision(or bad advice) to bring out that statement based on them thinking its about them.
I've said before I've not seen one post where there names have been mentioned in using said substance, so I do not see how legally they have any leg to stand on at all. Its their decision(or bad advice) to bring out that statement based on them thinking its about them.
In reply to Post #279
He screenshots the page then sends it me,unless he's really good at making things up then that's proof enough for me.If you're that bothered go find it
He screenshots the page then sends it me,unless he's really good at making things up then that's proof enough for me.If you're that bothered go find it
In reply to Post #281
I've looked that's why I'm asking. I haven't seen anythjng anywhere and I've been looking. I've asked several people and they haven't seen anything either.
Could you share the screen shots or at least let us know where it was posted?
I've looked that's why I'm asking. I haven't seen anythjng anywhere and I've been looking. I've asked several people and they haven't seen anything either.
Could you share the screen shots or at least let us know where it was posted?
In reply to Post #172
I was Wayne and the boss of farlows that turned up and caught 50 fish between them when no one else on the lake could get a single bite.
They were using a bait boat, catching until they packed up, then the next people moved in and couldn't get a take.. It does make you wonder, especially in the carp comp where Wayne was in a usually very quite swim and caught 10 times more the everyone else.
I can't just to be down to rigs and bait can it??
I was Wayne and the boss of farlows that turned up and caught 50 fish between them when no one else on the lake could get a single bite.
They were using a bait boat, catching until they packed up, then the next people moved in and couldn't get a take.. It does make you wonder, especially in the carp comp where Wayne was in a usually very quite swim and caught 10 times more the everyone else.
I can't just to be down to rigs and bait can it??
In reply to Post #282
I haven't got them now but they were off one of the anglers facebook pages
I haven't got them now but they were off one of the anglers facebook pages
In reply to Post #285
This seems like a massive over reaction to some comments that noone else seems to have seen or be able to find no?
This seems like a massive over reaction to some comments that noone else seems to have seen or be able to find no?
In reply to Post #286
It's upto the individual to decide that,if they have done nothing wrong and its just people hiding behind keyboards then imo it's out of order.If they have done it then they deserve the fallout from it and any punishment from employers or sponsors and fisheries banning them so be it.
It's upto the individual to decide that,if they have done nothing wrong and its just people hiding behind keyboards then imo it's out of order.If they have done it then they deserve the fallout from it and any punishment from employers or sponsors and fisheries banning them so be it.
You can't threaten legal action against a vague accusation of using something that hasn't been named and which therefore nobody knows is legal or illegal. The statements they have put out almost fan the flames because they suggest that the 'accused' are aware of the illegality of what it is they may or may not have been using...still with me? ....
In reply to Post #284
Sounding more and more like, I'm Spartacus
Busted
Sounding more and more like, I'm Spartacus
Busted
In reply to Post #288
Exactly that they're sphincters are twitching!!
Exactly that they're sphincters are twitching!!
Just seen a post in the discount thread
10 per cent off CC Moore stuff...
One for the conspiracy theorists among you
10 per cent off CC Moore stuff...
One for the conspiracy theorists among you
In reply to Post #291
Thanks for sharing that
Just been looking for some flea treatment for the dog on the veterinary sites, not much discount sadly, noticed that the price of hormones has gone up by 80% for some reason, grab them now before we sell out? I blame Brexit
Thanks for sharing that
Just been looking for some flea treatment for the dog on the veterinary sites, not much discount sadly, noticed that the price of hormones has gone up by 80% for some reason, grab them now before we sell out? I blame Brexit
In reply to Post #292
Don't worry Chris; just heard on the radio you can get free Hormone treatment for the menopause on the NHS now.
Don't worry Chris; just heard on the radio you can get free Hormone treatment for the menopause on the NHS now.
In reply to Post #293
Heard similar Keith, also at the side of certain lakes?
Heard similar Keith, also at the side of certain lakes?
In reply to Post #294
I'm not joking Chris, I nearly choked on my brew when I heard it - envisaged loads of desperate Carp Anglers dragging their girlfriends & wives off to the doctors
I'm not joking Chris, I nearly choked on my brew when I heard it - envisaged loads of desperate Carp Anglers dragging their girlfriends & wives off to the doctors
In reply to Post #295
Just see if you can get a free 5ml, show him your tits if you have too
I wasn't joking either Keith
Just see if you can get a free 5ml, show him your tits if you have too
I wasn't joking either Keith
In reply to Post #288
Spot on
Spot on
In reply to Post #284
Agreed. To be honest, despite it not wanting to be a backpeddling podcast, the second one was exactly that. I saw the length of the podcast and thought "ah, here comes the arse covering exercise"
The first podcast had more than enough info to implicate certain individuals, and both podcasts seem to contradict who they were poionting the finger at. I guessed two of them just whilst listening. Days prior, a bait company was bragging that one of the anglers caught a quarter of Farriers stock in one hit. I mean, come on. We all know on 99% of waters, especially any water worth its salt, If you're clubbing them on one spot, it's going to go quiet at some point. The fact that a quarter of the stock decided to nail themselves tells you something about carps intelligence. After all, it's not the bait or it's additions is it........................................ (sorry, I leaned on the keyboard. Honest)
As I said in a previous post, no-one is going to risk losing their livelihood and get into financial difficulties by losing a court case over bloodworm liquid.
Agreed. To be honest, despite it not wanting to be a backpeddling podcast, the second one was exactly that. I saw the length of the podcast and thought "ah, here comes the arse covering exercise"
The first podcast had more than enough info to implicate certain individuals, and both podcasts seem to contradict who they were poionting the finger at. I guessed two of them just whilst listening. Days prior, a bait company was bragging that one of the anglers caught a quarter of Farriers stock in one hit. I mean, come on. We all know on 99% of waters, especially any water worth its salt, If you're clubbing them on one spot, it's going to go quiet at some point. The fact that a quarter of the stock decided to nail themselves tells you something about carps intelligence. After all, it's not the bait or it's additions is it........................................ (sorry, I leaned on the keyboard. Honest)
As I said in a previous post, no-one is going to risk losing their livelihood and get into financial difficulties by losing a court case over bloodworm liquid.
In reply to Post #298
Can't really see any of those accused having any credibility going forward. Like someone said before, there are much better anglers than them but for some time their catches have been unusually high. Interesting manifold has been mentioned, dont know him from anything but crete lakes match which again for an average angler did exceptionally well.
Can't really see any of those accused having any credibility going forward. Like someone said before, there are much better anglers than them but for some time their catches have been unusually high. Interesting manifold has been mentioned, dont know him from anything but crete lakes match which again for an average angler did exceptionally well.
In reply to Post #299
In reply to Post #300
The types of waters they're fishing pay a big part in it too, all these suspected anglers are fishing the same type of lakes, heavily stocked day tickets full of bigguns. I'm in no doubt they're fantastic anglers and can really capitalise on a situation in front of them but I don't recall any of them fishing any real head banging waters fishing for the biggest carp in the country, instead they're playing the numbers game on day tickets and picking up the big ones inbetween.
IF this is true and they're using some sort of hormone that groups the fish up directly over your rigs, there's no good using it on somewhere with 20 fish in 50 acres, those heavily stocked lakes play right into the scenario.
There's some sort of truth in this, Kev Hewitt said as much in the podcast before back tracking and saying it's bloodworm Those goons putting out that Defamation of character and libel statement last night was just them trying to nip this in the bud.
The types of waters they're fishing pay a big part in it too, all these suspected anglers are fishing the same type of lakes, heavily stocked day tickets full of bigguns. I'm in no doubt they're fantastic anglers and can really capitalise on a situation in front of them but I don't recall any of them fishing any real head banging waters fishing for the biggest carp in the country, instead they're playing the numbers game on day tickets and picking up the big ones inbetween.
IF this is true and they're using some sort of hormone that groups the fish up directly over your rigs, there's no good using it on somewhere with 20 fish in 50 acres, those heavily stocked lakes play right into the scenario.
There's some sort of truth in this, Kev Hewitt said as much in the podcast before back tracking and saying it's bloodworm
Those goons putting out that Defamation of character and libel statement last night was just them trying to nip this in the bud.
In reply to Post #300
It's not being widely used because it's a prescription medicine with good reason as someone has already stated it can induce abortions in mammals !!
It's not being widely used because it's a prescription medicine with good reason as someone has already stated it can induce abortions in mammals !!
In reply to Post #302
From what info I've managed to search out – there's a synthetic hormone that was developed to mimic the natural hormone signal all fish species release to tell each other to congregate in an area to spawn.
And was developed in Australia/America so it could be used to congregate all species into a selected area to electro fish or net all the invasive species out ,while being able to still return native species back unharmed.
From what info I've managed to search out – there's a synthetic hormone that was developed to mimic the natural hormone signal all fish species release to tell each other to congregate in an area to spawn.
And was developed in Australia/America so it could be used to congregate all species into a selected area to electro fish or net all the invasive species out ,while being able to still return native species back unharmed.
In reply to Post #303
The hormone that's being used in the UK is used by vets & is only available on prescription equine & cattle
The hormone that's being used in the UK is used by vets & is only available on prescription equine & cattle
In reply to Post #304
Probably the same one.
Probably the same one.
In reply to Post #305
Could well be under a different brand name
Could well be under a different brand name
In reply to Post #303
From what info I've managed to search out – it's a synthetic hormone that was developed to mimic the natural hormone signal all fish species release to tell each other to congregate in an area to spawn.
That's the difference for me, hung there in numbers!
Bloodworm
I've dabbled with it on and off over the years, used to scrape it as a kid from local waters with some top local match anglers and used to pick the match packs up cheap, the left overs, used it in all forms, you name it, Ive tried it, liquidised bloodworm and joker in baits, soaked pellets, ground baits etc if it was that good I would still be using it, used it mixed with mussels and other stuff too, same as most other anglers I guess
Ps. Got a tub in my freezer now with liquidised mussels lol
Absolutely well and truly no doubt in my mind what's happened/ happening, not natural feeding behaviours for starters, shoaled up for...
From what info I've managed to search out – it's a synthetic hormone that was developed to mimic the natural hormone signal all fish species release to tell each other to congregate in an area to spawn.
That's the difference for me, hung there in numbers!
Bloodworm
I've dabbled with it on and off over the years, used to scrape it as a kid from local waters with some top local match anglers and used to pick the match packs up cheap, the left overs, used it in all forms, you name it, Ive tried it, liquidised bloodworm and joker in baits, soaked pellets, ground baits etc if it was that good I would still be using it, used it mixed with mussels and other stuff too, same as most other anglers I guess
Ps. Got a tub in my freezer now with liquidised mussels lol
Absolutely well and truly no doubt in my mind what's happened/ happening, not natural feeding behaviours for starters, shoaled up for...
In reply to Post #307
All hail the mighty bloodworm 🪱
All hail the mighty bloodworm 🪱
Ok so if it's proven he is using it it's kinda like the fluoroscein in goo controversy, you could pour a 5lt bottle into a 25 acre lake and it would come back as trace amounts surely
In reply to Post #309
How much do you think the natural ones are the fish emit when spawning!!!
How much do you think the natural ones are the fish emit when spawning!!!
In reply to Post #309
Poor analogy 😂 Sharks & blood would be a better one !!
Poor analogy 😂 Sharks & blood would be a better one !!
In reply to Post #309
That's the wrong way to look at it. Instead, think about the way DMPT has to be used, it has to be used as a hookbait only because of the harmful affects putting it in free offerings, same would go for this hormone.
That's the wrong way to look at it. Instead, think about the way DMPT has to be used, it has to be used as a hookbait only because of the harmful affects putting it in free offerings, same would go for this hormone.
I don't know why this stood out from the crowd but it did...
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."
George Carlin
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."
George Carlin
In reply to Post #313
Insightful and on topic
Insightful and on topic
In reply to Post #312
My point is where is the data?? Where is the proof?? Cos there is none and it wasn't a poor analogy he is allegedly using this in his bait there fore it's being heavily diluted and again it would show up in trace amounts at best which will have no ecological impact unless someone can prove it does??
My point is where is the data?? Where is the proof?? Cos there is none and it wasn't a poor analogy he is allegedly using this in his bait there fore it's being heavily diluted and again it would show up in trace amounts at best which will have no ecological impact unless someone can prove it does??
In reply to Post #315
What happens if everyone is using it and the fish start spawning mid winter? Or 12 times a year?
Ecologically at the levels used it's not doing damage. By one person on the lake, at low enough levels to not induce spawning and only attract fish and stimulate some form of feeding response.
Why not look at the bigger picture if this substance becomes mainstream?
You can buy it in from China without a prescription. There's talk of a hormone used in cattle and horse breeding but it only takes a look closer to our quarry to find fish hormones that do the same as mentioned previously. Just need a carrier oil and your well away. It's not hard to find what it is or it's use if you know where to look.
What happens if everyone is using it and the fish start spawning mid winter? Or 12 times a year?
Ecologically at the levels used it's not doing damage. By one person on the lake, at low enough levels to not induce spawning and only attract fish and stimulate some form of feeding response.
Why not look at the bigger picture if this substance becomes mainstream?
You can buy it in from China without a prescription. There's talk of a hormone used in cattle and horse breeding but it only takes a look closer to our quarry to find fish hormones that do the same as mentioned previously. Just need a carrier oil and your well away. It's not hard to find what it is or it's use if you know where to look.
In reply to Post #315
People have admitted using it, how much more proof do you need?
People have admitted using it, how much more proof do you need?
In reply to Post #312
I do not think DMPT is harmful.
Everything used in a feed bait is supposed to be on the list of approved feed additives or feed items. That something is not on this list does not make it harmful. It might well be human feed grade or natural but as long as it is not on that list it is not to be used in something that is ingested by the fish.
I do not think DMPT is harmful.
Everything used in a feed bait is supposed to be on the list of approved feed additives or feed items. That something is not on this list does not make it harmful. It might well be human feed grade or natural but as long as it is not on that list it is not to be used in something that is ingested by the fish.
In reply to Post #315
I've not seen any proof provided either, surely common sense would dictate that putting hormones in a watery environment in whatever form is used to carry that hormone is a possible recipe for disaster especially so if herds of fish are in close proximity of suggested hormones? The only stuff I've found so far is the injected form of hormones for fish breading with the included papers quite clearly saying that this is harmful.
Eh, instead of me waffling on, why don't you go and find your own information about such things, I mean, I could link papers and evidence, but isn't it of value to you if you find this stuff out for yourself?
I've not seen any proof provided either, surely common sense would dictate that putting hormones in a watery environment in whatever form is used to carry that hormone is a possible recipe for disaster especially so if herds of fish are in close proximity of suggested hormones? The only stuff I've found so far is the injected form of hormones for fish breading with the included papers quite clearly saying that this is harmful.
Eh, instead of me waffling on, why don't you go and find your own information about such things, I mean, I could link papers and evidence, but isn't it of value to you if you find this stuff out for yourself?
In reply to Post #198
*Anyone else remember far enough back when carp angling was a hobby?*
yep, it was just b4 all the tackle barrons turned up! circa 1989.....
*Anyone else remember far enough back when carp angling was a hobby?*
yep, it was just b4 all the tackle barrons turned up! circa 1989.....
In reply to Post #320
Cant blame the industry its a victim of its own success plus the digital era has fueled it. It is what it is. Like everything, money comes first. So no point moaning about it. Just hope this hormone issue gets some sort of resolution.
Cant blame the industry its a victim of its own success plus the digital era has fueled it. It is what it is. Like everything, money comes first. So no point moaning about it. Just hope this hormone issue gets some sort of resolution.
In reply to Post #304
I've heard the same thing, I think it's already been named (and dismissed) in another thread, the most intriguing thing I also heard is that one of the 3 amigo's Mrs is a vet
I've heard the same thing, I think it's already been named (and dismissed) in another thread, the most intriguing thing I also heard is that one of the 3 amigo's Mrs is a vet
In reply to Post #322
Dons Sherlock Holmes hat. Hmm, so the plot thickens eh Watson?
Dons Sherlock Holmes hat. Hmm, so the plot thickens eh Watson?
In reply to Post #323
No idea what the stuff is ,but from what I've read it can be harmful if inhaled ,can cause impotence in males , induce miscarriage's in women . Now one of the waters i fish is a farm irrigation reservoir ,if this stuff gets on food produce are we going to see other problems .
No idea what the stuff is ,but from what I've read it can be harmful if inhaled ,can cause impotence in males , induce miscarriage's in women . Now one of the waters i fish is a farm irrigation reservoir ,if this stuff gets on food produce are we going to see other problems .
In reply to Post #324
Amazing how quiet they have gone,
Amazing how quiet they have gone,
In reply to Post #325
it will be very interesting to see the accused "anglers" catch results going forward now
it will be very interesting to see the accused "anglers" catch results going forward now
In reply to Post #317
Prove it??
Prove it??
Surely though this hormone can be used when injected stimulate the carp into releasing its eggs/milting but the person who mentioned it being used in electro fishing to group the carp up, operative word there group them up is there proof it tricks them into spawning when it's diluted in water?? Cos no offence guys that's crazy when you consider even with 30 anglers on a lake using it the dilution rate will make all this a moot point
In reply to Post #328
I think you're missing the point that they can detect it in tiny amounts, as they only put out tiny amount naturally. The shark analogy is perfect
I think you're missing the point that they can detect it in tiny amounts, as they only put out tiny amount naturally. The shark analogy is perfect
In reply to Post #328
You on a long blanking streak or something? Seem to be really keen for this product to be accessible for the masses.
As anglers we mess around with all sorts of things to get a bite. But anyone that is happy to mess around with nature and the physiology of fish is a wrong'un. What sort of gratification can you get from not having to do any work to catch a carp?
What you fail to understand is that if everyone uses it at safe levels that multiplies up to be not safe levels. If everyone was using it, then someone uses a bit more to get the fish to them. Soon enough you have fish spawning all the time. And ultimately dying from stress. If you're an advocate for hormone use to catch carp then may the carp gods smite you with an eternal blank!
You on a long blanking streak or something? Seem to be really keen for this product to be accessible for the masses.
As anglers we mess around with all sorts of things to get a bite. But anyone that is happy to mess around with nature and the physiology of fish is a wrong'un. What sort of gratification can you get from not having to do any work to catch a carp?
What you fail to understand is that if everyone uses it at safe levels that multiplies up to be not safe levels. If everyone was using it, then someone uses a bit more to get the fish to them. Soon enough you have fish spawning all the time. And ultimately dying from stress. If you're an advocate for hormone use to catch carp then may the carp gods smite you with an eternal blank!
In reply to Post #320
Yep
And what a mess it is turning out to be
Greedy ****s and fame seekers, everything what is wrong with the pastime for me
Yep
And what a mess it is turning out to be
Greedy ****s and fame seekers, everything what is wrong with the pastime for me
In reply to Post #322
Oh dear, really
Oh dear, really
Plenty of comments about if X amount is applied in X acres of water 'it becomes a moot point...... Its not about quantities.At the end of the day its a principle! Yes,we all pull strokes once in a while, but this is ,to put it simply UNACCEPTABLE..End of
In reply to Post #329
Thank-you
Thank-you
In reply to Post #333
Thats it, it is unacceptable at any level what so ever fish are drawn to the swim involuntary feeding or taking through frustration It is not angling at all. Gone of the days when watercraft
Any angler with any principles should be outraged at this and the ones that aren't are not true anglers
Thats it, it is unacceptable at any level what so ever fish are drawn to the swim involuntary feeding or taking through frustration It is not angling at all. Gone of the days when watercraft
Any angler with any principles should be outraged at this and the ones that aren't are not true anglers
In reply to Post #335
IIRC, In one of the podcasts it was alleged that packaging for a hormone, or hormone mimicking substance was found in the bushes at an undisclosed fishery. If true it certainly implies someone unknown is using it. As it was discarded in the bushes maybe it also gives some insight to the type of "angler" prepared to use it.
IIRC, In one of the podcasts it was alleged that packaging for a hormone, or hormone mimicking substance was found in the bushes at an undisclosed fishery. If true it certainly implies someone unknown is using it. As it was discarded in the bushes maybe it also gives some insight to the type of "angler" prepared to use it.
In reply to Post #336
Yeah yeah, but how many ppm was distributed into those bushes? Asking for a friend.
Yeah yeah, but how many ppm was distributed into those bushes? Asking for a friend.
Few weeks in now and still none of the “superstars” have come forward to condone it, maybe they have known about it for years, maybe they are on it....who knows, when lots of dollar is involved people do strange things.
Undoubtedly a hormone of some sort has been used - either liquid form Lutalyse or the pea shaped hormone gland (Sparsholt blokes will know the scientific name) being removed from fish and messed about with, crushed or whatever and added to a carrier. General practice amongst fish farmers to stimulate spawning, and yes, the fish subsequently are killed.
The above sounds like something out of a cheap sci fi film but, nothing surprises me with the multi million pound “industry” called Carp (cough) angling (not sure angling is the right word anymore).
Give it a few weeks and it will all go quiet as the next turbo Ronnie ultimate carp rig will be the next talking point. The superstars and “legends” will then return to click bait social
Media flashing up multiple hits of fish on a “quick overnighter”...
Don't forget - it's all about watercraft and staying up all night listening to showing fish......righto then.
Undoubtedly a hormone of some sort has been used - either liquid form Lutalyse or the pea shaped hormone gland (Sparsholt blokes will know the scientific name) being removed from fish and messed about with, crushed or whatever and added to a carrier. General practice amongst fish farmers to stimulate spawning, and yes, the fish subsequently are killed.
The above sounds like something out of a cheap sci fi film but, nothing surprises me with the multi million pound “industry” called Carp (cough) angling (not sure angling is the right word anymore).
Give it a few weeks and it will all go quiet as the next turbo Ronnie ultimate carp rig will be the next talking point. The superstars and “legends” will then return to click bait social
Media flashing up multiple hits of fish on a “quick overnighter”...
Don't forget - it's all about watercraft and staying up all night listening to showing fish......righto then.
In reply to Post #338
Don't forget - it's all about watercraft and staying up all night listening to showing fish......righto then.
Said it for a long time, the amount of information, quality baits and rigs that are available these days, carpfishing is a pretty level playing field, anybody who thinks any different has been conditioned by bluffers for a long time.
The difference is finding feeding fish and giving them a bait that they like or are willing to accept. Start with pressured fish and getting them to readily accept a bait is something else.
Of all the years I have fished time is the biggest asset for any carp angler, can't catch fish when you are at work, at home or doing family things, fact.
The difference between a good angler and a bad angler is, the good angler will have good watercraft skills, can find the fish and feeding spots quite quickly, the best anglers are also adaptable to the situation. Give me a kid with a bag of mainline and a week and I am sure he can catch a carp with a little bit of guidance, it's done for us
The whole media machine has conditioned carp anglers more than the anglers have conditioned the fish themselves! Any experienced angler can see this. Catching carp is not rocket science but it does require a serious level of commitment to be consistent and that's where most people get it wrong
Enter the hormone and this completely swings this balance. It is clear to see, it's a game changer beyond belief, no doubt, but you cannot help thinking that the whole carp scene and a lot of people's catches over the last few years are seriously questionable and tarnished because of a few mongs by the sounds of it trying to “claim fame” and who will not stand up and be counted,. If they had stood up and said, “yep, we have been using hormones, I don't think it would be such a problem, probably opposite, amazing!!!
However, the health, environment and the impact on the fish would have put a rather grey cloud over this and that is why people are not, and never will admit to using it but I guess the carp world knows different though
Don't forget - it's all about watercraft and staying up all night listening to showing fish......righto then.
Said it for a long time, the amount of information, quality baits and rigs that are available these days, carpfishing is a pretty level playing field, anybody who thinks any different has been conditioned by bluffers for a long time.
The difference is finding feeding fish and giving them a bait that they like or are willing to accept. Start with pressured fish and getting them to readily accept a bait is something else.
Of all the years I have fished time is the biggest asset for any carp angler, can't catch fish when you are at work, at home or doing family things, fact.
The difference between a good angler and a bad angler is, the good angler will have good watercraft skills, can find the fish and feeding spots quite quickly, the best anglers are also adaptable to the situation. Give me a kid with a bag of mainline and a week and I am sure he can catch a carp with a little bit of guidance, it's done for us
The whole media machine has conditioned carp anglers more than the anglers have conditioned the fish themselves! Any experienced angler can see this. Catching carp is not rocket science but it does require a serious level of commitment to be consistent and that's where most people get it wrong
Enter the hormone and this completely swings this balance. It is clear to see, it's a game changer beyond belief, no doubt, but you cannot help thinking that the whole carp scene and a lot of people's catches over the last few years are seriously questionable and tarnished because of a few mongs by the sounds of it trying to “claim fame” and who will not stand up and be counted,. If they had stood up and said, “yep, we have been using hormones, I don't think it would be such a problem, probably opposite, amazing!!!
However, the health, environment and the impact on the fish would have put a rather grey cloud over this and that is why people are not, and never will admit to using it but I guess the carp world knows different though
In reply to Post #327
Jeez there really is no sense is there..
Jeez there really is no sense is there..
In reply to Post #339
I still can't get my head around why the hell you would even contemplate doing it, put it this way-
To promote a bait companies product you need one thing
To endorse a tackle company's product you need one thing
To write Magazine Articles you need one thing
“Credibility”
Shame there's not a re-set button to around 1985 as far as Carp Fishing is concerned.
I still can't get my head around why the hell you would even contemplate doing it, put it this way-
To promote a bait companies product you need one thing
To endorse a tackle company's product you need one thing
To write Magazine Articles you need one thing
“Credibility”
Shame there's not a re-set button to around 1985 as far as Carp Fishing is concerned.
In reply to Post #338
Yes, easy to get cynical especially if you've been fishing while. I try not to, don't always succeed mind! The type of places where you can escape it all and do some proper fishing are few and far between. They do exist and I'm lucky enough to have found one this year. Small membership, like minded individuals all of the old school.
Yes, easy to get cynical especially if you've been fishing while. I try not to, don't always succeed mind! The type of places where you can escape it all and do some proper fishing are few and far between. They do exist and I'm lucky enough to have found one this year. Small membership, like minded individuals all of the old school.
In reply to Post #341
No credibility needed, just pictures of fish.
No credibility needed, just pictures of fish.
In reply to Post #338
Staying up all night that's dedication 4 u, and a turbo Ronnie new 1, never had it so good
Staying up all night that's dedication 4 u, and a turbo Ronnie new 1, never had it so good
In reply to Post #341
I think for many you're right there. Credibility is vital if you want to be a respected angler.
However, for some people it's simply fame and perhaps financial reward they are chasing and that maybe does just equate to 'lots of photos' of big fish.
It's a maturity thing perhaps
I think for many you're right there. Credibility is vital if you want to be a respected angler.
However, for some people it's simply fame and perhaps financial reward they are chasing and that maybe does just equate to 'lots of photos' of big fish.
It's a maturity thing perhaps
In reply to Post #345
Yes usually by 50 there all washed up with nowhere to go,
Yes usually by 50 there all washed up with nowhere to go,
In reply to Post #338
So the products that are allegedly being used are actually used in aquaculture, am I being stupid (it wouldn't the first time) but if that is true then doesn't that make the Facebook statements of innocence rather meaningless.
So the products that are allegedly being used are actually used in aquaculture, am I being stupid (it wouldn't the first time) but if that is true then doesn't that make the Facebook statements of innocence rather meaningless.
In reply to Post #347
Remember, it's not illicit if it's from a carp in the first place...or meant to replicate it anyway.
Remember, it's not illicit if it's from a carp in the first place...or meant to replicate it anyway.
The major problem, as i see with the hormone super bat additive that will come out from this debarcle, is there is currently literally thousands of w@nkers of so called carp anglers currently spending hours and hours on google scouring the internet to find out exactly what has been used and where they can purchase it from, who dont give a flying @@@@ that's is possibly illegal, unethical and just want to be able to copy there idols.
I'm glad I'm a member of 2 small syndicates with only 12 members on each, the day ticket waters will be even more of a circus than they are currently.......
I'm glad I'm a member of 2 small syndicates with only 12 members on each, the day ticket waters will be even more of a circus than they are currently.......
I couldn't listen to more than 5 minutes of the 1st deleted podcast, but an amusing thing I noticed was that it began with a sponsor's plug, naturally.. toting the latest wonder flavours, tipped to blow everything else away from testing....
Then to put forward an argument against the use of these chemicals on the grounds of an unfair advantage, well it's hypocritical. Do we think a bait company would shelve an environmentally safe product that had fish crawling up your line? Would they ****.. it'd be £00's for a drop of it!
Focus should be on the wider environment, because being brutally honest the fish in question don't have the rosiest looking future as it is with angling pressure and repeat captures.
And who put some blokes that go fishing on such a high pedestal they settle squabbles in a bloody court room?
Absolutely pathetic
Then to put forward an argument against the use of these chemicals on the grounds of an unfair advantage, well it's hypocritical. Do we think a bait company would shelve an environmentally safe product that had fish crawling up your line? Would they ****.. it'd be £00's for a drop of it!
Focus should be on the wider environment, because being brutally honest the fish in question don't have the rosiest looking future as it is with angling pressure and repeat captures.
And who put some blokes that go fishing on such a high pedestal they settle squabbles in a bloody court room?
Absolutely pathetic
In reply to Post #350
Couple of things
Who said the substances being used are environmentally safe? If they are prescription only products then they have only been tested for the use they are to be prescribed for, which isn't drawing fish into your swim on the promise of a bit of nookie just so they can be caught in their confusion.
No bait, not the best bait in the world draws fish into your swim from a distance. I make my own baits and am always looking for new ingredients, but the best I hope for is that I can find a bait that fish in the baits vacinity will find irresistible. I still want the challenge of finding the fish or a spot they will visit. These substances under discussion do not appently work on this basis, they draw fish from far and wide... Including your swim and mine.
The use of these substances is both environmentally risky and downright selfish, no idea who has used them but if it's you reading this hang your head in shame you are not an angler, and if you are considering using them just don't.
Couple of things
Who said the substances being used are environmentally safe? If they are prescription only products then they have only been tested for the use they are to be prescribed for, which isn't drawing fish into your swim on the promise of a bit of nookie just so they can be caught in their confusion.
No bait, not the best bait in the world draws fish into your swim from a distance. I make my own baits and am always looking for new ingredients, but the best I hope for is that I can find a bait that fish in the baits vacinity will find irresistible. I still want the challenge of finding the fish or a spot they will visit. These substances under discussion do not appently work on this basis, they draw fish from far and wide... Including your swim and mine.
The use of these substances is both environmentally risky and downright selfish, no idea who has used them but if it's you reading this hang your head in shame you are not an angler, and if you are considering using them just don't.
In reply to Post #351
Nobody said they were safe??
I'm saying think about the environment because it's quite the opposite.
So if you stumbled across a concoction that did what these chemicals do completely organically and without harming the fish you wouldn't follow through with it? Pull the other one
Nobody said they were safe??
I'm saying think about the environment because it's quite the opposite.
So if you stumbled across a concoction that did what these chemicals do completely organically and without harming the fish you wouldn't follow through with it? Pull the other one
In reply to Post #350
Normally find your repetitive misery pretty boring But I have to admit that I also appreciated the irony of a podcast about what seems to be the carp fishing holy grail bait ingredient (all be it possibly illegal) foreworded by an advert for new ‘industry shaking' flavours.
I'm not sure if there was also irony in the statement about it not being illicit if it's already naturally from the carp..If that was the case with all controlled pharmaceuticals we could all legally be tripping on DMT and injecting pure adrenaline all week long.
Normally find your repetitive misery pretty boring
But I have to admit that I also appreciated the irony of a podcast about what seems to be the carp fishing holy grail bait ingredient (all be it possibly illegal) foreworded by an advert for new ‘industry shaking' flavours. I'm not sure if there was also irony in the statement about it not being illicit if it's already naturally from the carp..If that was the case with all controlled pharmaceuticals we could all legally be tripping on DMT and injecting pure adrenaline all week long.
The whole saga is bad news... all i know is anyone who i personal know who i find out has used any of this sxxx will be shunned for evermore.
In reply to Post #353
That's a bit unfair. I've been at least 30% positive throughout the warmer months
That's a bit unfair. I've been at least 30% positive throughout the warmer months
In reply to Post #355
You need a new calculator.
You need a new calculator.
In reply to Post #356
You do know his name is Jon Doomsday don't you
You do know his name is Jon Doomsday don't you
In reply to Post #357
In reply to Post #331
agree!
* fame seekers*
in other words..... morons!
agree!
* fame seekers*
in other words..... morons!
In reply to Post #359
All gone very quiet. Is that the end of hormonegate?
All gone very quiet. Is that the end of hormonegate?
In reply to Post #360
It hasn't on korda facebook page,someone even put a picture of what the hormone is and called for cheats to be sacked
It hasn't on korda facebook page,someone even put a picture of what the hormone is and called for cheats to be sacked
In reply to Post #361
Is that the Korda Developments page? What thread is it on?
Is that the Korda Developments page? What thread is it on?
In reply to Post #362
Rob burgess perfectly balanced corn one
Rob burgess perfectly balanced corn one
In reply to Post #363
DELETE
DELETE
In reply to Post #364
I think the cats well and truly out the bag by now anyway, I've seen it mentioned 2/3 times on here already. It's not like it's easy to buy anyway. Unless your wife works with horses that is
I think the cats well and truly out the bag by now anyway, I've seen it mentioned 2/3 times on here already. It's not like it's easy to buy anyway. Unless your wife works with horses that is
In reply to Post #361
Not seen it but all I can say is, all these “heroic” mass captures of epic proportions, the stuff of legend, what a shower of *****
Totally and utterly disrespectful to the genuine anglers out there and a disgrace to the pastime, has the potential to cast a very dark cloud over all the people who have gave it their all over the last few years
Give me a working man who goes fishing for a passion anyday
Not seen it but all I can say is, all these “heroic” mass captures of epic proportions, the stuff of legend, what a shower of *****
Totally and utterly disrespectful to the genuine anglers out there and a disgrace to the pastime, has the potential to cast a very dark cloud over all the people who have gave it their all over the last few years
Give me a working man who goes fishing for a passion anyday
In reply to Post #366
Very well said.
Very well said.
In reply to Post #366
Well said.
Genuinely think the carp match scene is doomed now over this, there will always be questioned and allegations made on any big hit of fish in a match.
Well said.
Genuinely think the carp match scene is doomed now over this, there will always be questioned and allegations made on any big hit of fish in a match.
In reply to Post #368
Think you are right, it needed bringing back into proportion IMO..
Think you are right, it needed bringing back into proportion IMO..
In reply to Post #368
It's strange that I've never met anyone who follows carp matches. I'm sure there must be loads of people who do, but i can't say I've ever met anyone who doesn't think the England carp team should go into room 101.
It's strange that I've never met anyone who follows carp matches. I'm sure there must be loads of people who do, but i can't say I've ever met anyone who doesn't think the England carp team should go into room 101.
In reply to Post #366
I'm a bit lost.
I am looking for a liquid, that isn't used for fishing that I can get form a supermarket and it would be the last hing I would pick from a list of 30 things. This thing is not sold in tackle shops, works best in shallow water and guarantees a bite. It is sold by a certain bait company, but only to the trade and not direct to the public. This should be pretty easy to nail down, as there can't be many things that a bait company cell that aren't for fishing . I wouldn't pick duress love lube, so that could be it but then again I don't know if it's on the list or if the bait company sell it. It's safe to use, but not sold in tackle shops....
It's like one of those games where you stick the post it on your head.
Now I wouldn't want to cast aspersions on anyone, but sometimes even the best of us have to stop digging...
I'm a bit lost.
I am looking for a liquid, that isn't used for fishing that I can get form a supermarket and it would be the last hing I would pick from a list of 30 things. This thing is not sold in tackle shops, works best in shallow water and guarantees a bite. It is sold by a certain bait company, but only to the trade and not direct to the public. This should be pretty easy to nail down, as there can't be many things that a bait company cell that aren't for fishing . I wouldn't pick duress love lube, so that could be it but then again I don't know if it's on the list or if the bait company sell it. It's safe to use, but not sold in tackle shops....
It's like one of those games where you stick the post it on your head.
Now I wouldn't want to cast aspersions on anyone, but sometimes even the best of us have to stop digging...
It reminds me of king of the hill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1029PjJJUnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1029PjJJUnk
In reply to Post #371
Its BLOODWORM.....
Its BLOODWORM.....
In reply to Post #374
In reply to Post #373
Spot on!
Loved King of the Hill, great show
Spot on!
Loved King of the Hill, great show
In reply to Post #374
Oh...
.. ...
So what the hell am I going to do with all this love lube I bought then?
(Free hit everyone)
Oh...
.. ...
So what the hell am I going to do with all this love lube I bought then?
(Free hit everyone)
In reply to Post #371
Idk why but i always think he's talking about Hand Sanitizer.
Idk why but i always think he's talking about Hand Sanitizer.
Taken from KH Facebook page This is a joint statement from Mark Bartlett, Kevin Hewitt, Wayne Mansford, Ryan Need and Tom Maker.
First of all we would like to like to say how much we are humbled by the support from so many of you following the ridiculous allegations made against us.
As you know we have been taking this matter seriously and also legally as we felt we had to make a stand. This was more than ‘Internet gossip' and needed stopping. We have now received written evidence and apologies which confirm the allegations we untrue.
After thoroughly investigating this matter, it was commenced by one individual Mr Stephen White through a podcast making false allegations and which he has now admitted doing and has withdrawn his allegations and the podcast has been removed. Unfortunately, a number of others added and spread these unfounded claims for their own gratification.
We applaud the people who have submitted apologies & statements of retraction within the 72 hour period, which has taken an honest stance, to correct their own actions.
We all feel that this type of abuse, trolling and ‘keyboard warriors' with no consideration of any impact, is totally unacceptable in any sport of which we are continuing legal proceedings accordingly.
This type of abuse can seriously affect mental well-being and have a financial impact, we must all play our part in trying to reduce this happening in future by not giving these individuals the flatform and attention they thrive on. If they took as much time and effort in improving and researching their fishing, then maybe they might be happier within our sport. There is no room for false allegations by keyboard warriors.
Once again we would like to thank everyone for their support and please enjoy your fishing.
First of all we would like to like to say how much we are humbled by the support from so many of you following the ridiculous allegations made against us.
As you know we have been taking this matter seriously and also legally as we felt we had to make a stand. This was more than ‘Internet gossip' and needed stopping. We have now received written evidence and apologies which confirm the allegations we untrue.
After thoroughly investigating this matter, it was commenced by one individual Mr Stephen White through a podcast making false allegations and which he has now admitted doing and has withdrawn his allegations and the podcast has been removed. Unfortunately, a number of others added and spread these unfounded claims for their own gratification.
We applaud the people who have submitted apologies & statements of retraction within the 72 hour period, which has taken an honest stance, to correct their own actions.
We all feel that this type of abuse, trolling and ‘keyboard warriors' with no consideration of any impact, is totally unacceptable in any sport of which we are continuing legal proceedings accordingly.
This type of abuse can seriously affect mental well-being and have a financial impact, we must all play our part in trying to reduce this happening in future by not giving these individuals the flatform and attention they thrive on. If they took as much time and effort in improving and researching their fishing, then maybe they might be happier within our sport. There is no room for false allegations by keyboard warriors.
Once again we would like to thank everyone for their support and please enjoy your fishing.
In reply to Post #379
Well at least they had the balls to put a name in the statement, more than the podcast did.
If there is evidence that an illegal substance being used, but the people who are too scared to name and shame with supporting evidence then imo that's almost as bad as the use itself.
If it's true and you have evidence, just grow a pair and out it rather than a fluffy podcast which starts off selling flavours, dances around any facts then gets pulled.
As for that statement...
The whole thing is embarrassing for everyone involved.
Well at least they had the balls to put a name in the statement, more than the podcast did.
If there is evidence that an illegal substance being used, but the people who are too scared to name and shame with supporting evidence then imo that's almost as bad as the use itself.
If it's true and you have evidence, just grow a pair and out it rather than a fluffy podcast which starts off selling flavours, dances around any facts then gets pulled.
As for that statement...
The whole thing is embarrassing for everyone involved.
I listened to both the Carp Chronicles podcast and I dont seem to remember any of these names being mentioned. So cant see the need to take them down and issue apologises.. I'm confused..
In reply to Post #379
"continuing legal proceedings accordingly"
That is lower than a snakes belly. So the guys retracted what they had said, yet still they want to drag them through the courts. Of the very little respect I ever had for these anglers that had accusations made against them, I've now zero respect. Dirty, dirty, dirty behaviour.
I can see this seriously backfiring on these clowns. If you make your sincere apologies, it should be left at that. To then take thing further, man, I can see this haunting them for years to come. Real bad move on their part. Should have let it be. Just to be clear: I'm thinking of what the wider carp communities opinion will have of these people.
"continuing legal proceedings accordingly"
That is lower than a snakes belly. So the guys retracted what they had said, yet still they want to drag them through the courts. Of the very little respect I ever had for these anglers that had accusations made against them, I've now zero respect. Dirty, dirty, dirty behaviour.
I can see this seriously backfiring on these clowns. If you make your sincere apologies, it should be left at that. To then take thing further, man, I can see this haunting them for years to come. Real bad move on their part. Should have let it be. Just to be clear: I'm thinking of what the wider carp communities opinion will have of these people.
In reply to Post #382
I think they are implying that they are taking legal actions against “keyboard warriors”.....
I think they are implying that they are taking legal actions against “keyboard warriors”.....
In reply to Post #382
They are not taking action against those that have retracted their comments or those that have apologised
They are not taking action against those that have retracted their comments or those that have apologised
In reply to Post #384
I'd be suing them if I was Stephen White, ridiculous.That podcast never mentioned anyone yet they have openly mugged him off.
They not taking any legal action just a load of further bull**** let's face it to get the heat off.
I'd be suing them if I was Stephen White, ridiculous.That podcast never mentioned anyone yet they have openly mugged him off.
They not taking any legal action just a load of further bull**** let's face it to get the heat off.
In reply to Post #383
Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell what the score is and where This'll end up. It's not looking pretty either way. Real shame in all honesty.
Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell what the score is and where This'll end up. It's not looking pretty either way. Real shame in all honesty.
In reply to Post #384
They're bank tramps, they might get a bit of sponsorship and winnings here and there but they're not rolling in money, it's all ********, there's no court proceedings.
They're bank tramps, they might get a bit of sponsorship and winnings here and there but they're not rolling in money, it's all ********, there's no court proceedings.
In reply to Post #382
So who they taking legal proceedings against then?? Sam from the podcast or there guest Steven White??
They didnt accuse anyone. Just bought to light the alleged use of hormones in Carp fishin.. who they been taking legal advice from.. Bob down the Dog & Duck who done Jury service for two weeks so knows about these things..
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So who they taking legal proceedings against then?? Sam from the podcast or there guest Steven White??
They didnt accuse anyone. Just bought to light the alleged use of hormones in Carp fishin.. who they been taking legal advice from.. Bob down the Dog & Duck who done Jury service for two weeks so knows about these things..
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In reply to Post #385
If they genuinely were taking legal action, that statement would have been written by a lawyer. It clearly isn't because it is in pigeon English!
If they genuinely were taking legal action, that statement would have been written by a lawyer. It clearly isn't because it is in pigeon English!
In reply to Post #389
It's embarrassing
It's embarrassing
In reply to Post #373
How uncanny it's that!!! 😂😂😂
How uncanny it's that!!! 😂😂😂
In reply to Post #390
Isn't it just. I'm on my pit and just finished getting the rods out, thought I'd take a gander to see what's been posted on here and I read the most recent posts on this thread. I'm exasperated the way carp angling has gone.
Threats of legal action coz some bobs on the I ternetz said some nasty things'. FFS! Glad I don't fish the places where the likes of these lot fish. Dreadful.
Isn't it just. I'm on my pit and just finished getting the rods out, thought I'd take a gander to see what's been posted on here and I read the most recent posts on this thread. I'm exasperated the way carp angling has gone.
Threats of legal action coz some bobs on the I ternetz said some nasty things'. FFS! Glad I don't fish the places where the likes of these lot fish. Dreadful.
In reply to Post #387
Do you know the salary some of these guys pick up from their tackle companies
Do you know the salary some of these guys pick up from their tackle companies
In reply to Post #393
It's about 30k give or take plus other bits and pieces depending who you are.
It's about 30k give or take plus other bits and pieces depending who you are.
In reply to Post #382
Can you imagine if some anglers did go to the lengths of legal proceedings against people talking bull**** about them on social media because a friend told them something that was not true
Can you imagine if some anglers did go to the lengths of legal proceedings against people talking bull**** about them on social media because a friend told them something that was not true
A lot of people use the threat of legal action to hide their guilt. Just saying, not accusing
surely I they're all using/were using the product their catch rates are going to drastically slow down.
In reply to Post #397
That is going to be the interesting bit about this... can't wait to see how ‘the accused' get on in matches in the future. I guess their future results will help us all determine whether they were ‘guilty' or not?
That is going to be the interesting bit about this... can't wait to see how ‘the accused' get on in matches in the future. I guess their future results will help us all determine whether they were ‘guilty' or not?
In reply to Post #393
Even if they earned £100k a year, which they don't, it's soon swallowed up with loads of individual legal cases. It's all ********, nobody will get sued.
Even if they earned £100k a year, which they don't, it's soon swallowed up with loads of individual legal cases. It's all ********, nobody will get sued.
In reply to Post #393
Peanuts.
Peanuts.
In reply to Post #399
Nobody has or will get sued.
And they wont stop using either, addicts.
Nobody has or will get sued.
And they wont stop using either, addicts.
In reply to Post #379
Christ, whos written that, a 9 year old ??
If they want to be taken seriously, they need someone composing their statements who can string a few sentences together, and someone to proof read it before they post it. Awful.
Christ, whos written that, a 9 year old ??
If they want to be taken seriously, they need someone composing their statements who can string a few sentences together, and someone to proof read it before they post it. Awful.
In reply to Post #402
They're just trying to keep the trolls off their flatform
Little pussies threatening to tell the teacher, what an embarrassment
They're just trying to keep the trolls off their flatform
Little pussies threatening to tell the teacher, what an embarrassment
In reply to Post #402
If these idiots were serious dont you think they would of spent £250 on a solicitors letter to this forums owner asking for this thread to be taken down?
Guilty as charged
If these idiots were serious dont you think they would of spent £250 on a solicitors letter to this forums owner asking for this thread to be taken down?
Guilty as charged
In reply to Post #404
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but are all the names mentioned part of the ‘England Carp Team' or whatever they want to call themselves?
And is the manager of said team, Rob Hughes, not a qualified lawyer? They made enough of a song and dance about it on his Carp Cast bits.
This is pure conjecture, but would the manager of a team who is well versed in the law at the very least spell check a public statement from his team members?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but are all the names mentioned part of the ‘England Carp Team' or whatever they want to call themselves?
And is the manager of said team, Rob Hughes, not a qualified lawyer? They made enough of a song and dance about it on his Carp Cast bits.
This is pure conjecture, but would the manager of a team who is well versed in the law at the very least spell check a public statement from his team members?
In reply to Post #405
Did they now figure out what they are using or are they still changing stories every few hours?
Did they now figure out what they are using or are they still changing stories every few hours?
In reply to Post #406
No, it's not available from tackle shops and the last thing you'd choose out of a list of 100 things but it's CC Moore bloodworm liquid
No, it's not available from tackle shops and the last thing you'd choose out of a list of 100 things but it's CC Moore bloodworm liquid
Legal action? lower than a snakes belly springs to mind
Why, because some “anglers” whoever they really are have been called out for using a hormone substance that is prescribed by a medical professional to give them a distinct and unfair advantage over others. In return falsified catch results to claim fame and then not admit to it when questioned
All this to try and save face, i guess there is something in the old saying “cheats never win”
Busted is the word we are looking for I guess? disgraceful could be another, as is trying to threaten legal action to silence the masses. It's a pastime based on merit and respect that's why people have taken serious offence, I guess they feel cheated?
What's the saying, sometimes you have to look in the mirror at YOURSELF and reflect. Don't try and blame others, blame yourself. You get what you get
Why, because some “anglers” whoever they really are have been called out for using a hormone substance that is prescribed by a medical professional to give them a distinct and unfair advantage over others. In return falsified catch results to claim fame and then not admit to it when questioned
All this to try and save face, i guess there is something in the old saying “cheats never win”
Busted is the word we are looking for I guess? disgraceful could be another, as is trying to threaten legal action to silence the masses. It's a pastime based on merit and respect that's why people have taken serious offence, I guess they feel cheated?
What's the saying, sometimes you have to look in the mirror at YOURSELF and reflect. Don't try and blame others, blame yourself. You get what you get
like previously mentioned,the only legal advice theyve taken is pick the phone up to Rob Hughes....if legal advice had been given they would have given them a prepared statement to issue....
I'm not one to pick up people's literacy and spelling as mine isn't the best,however in this case you would think they would have taken the time to at least spellcheck or asked the so called legal professional they consulted to write it for them.
I'm not one to pick up people's literacy and spelling as mine isn't the best,however in this case you would think they would have taken the time to at least spellcheck or asked the so called legal professional they consulted to write it for them.
In reply to Post #410
''Interesting what Ian Russel says about the BCAC HERE (@2hrs 45seconds)''
Methinks Ian knows......
''Interesting what Ian Russel says about the BCAC HERE (@2hrs 45seconds)''
Methinks Ian knows......
In reply to Post #379
Quote... After thoroughly investigating this matter, it was commenced by one individual Mr Stephen White through a podcast making false allegations and which he has now admitted doing and has withdrawn his allegations and the podcast has been removed. Unfortunately, a number of others added and spread these unfounded claims for their own gratification.
This part here is simply not true. Long before the podcast, in fact all year long these rumours have been flying around on the bank of carp pits. I've never heard of Stephen White, and I've never listened to any podcast. Although no names whatsoever were mentioned, I was being told about this hormone supposedly being used in carp matches and then apparently taken to big fish syndicates as early as spring this year. It was a whisper going around all year.
All that podcast done was put the matter into the wider public's knowledge.
I am guessing that this is the first post ever put onto this forum from Brazil 🇧🇷 😂
Quote... After thoroughly investigating this matter, it was commenced by one individual Mr Stephen White through a podcast making false allegations and which he has now admitted doing and has withdrawn his allegations and the podcast has been removed. Unfortunately, a number of others added and spread these unfounded claims for their own gratification.
This part here is simply not true. Long before the podcast, in fact all year long these rumours have been flying around on the bank of carp pits. I've never heard of Stephen White, and I've never listened to any podcast. Although no names whatsoever were mentioned, I was being told about this hormone supposedly being used in carp matches and then apparently taken to big fish syndicates as early as spring this year. It was a whisper going around all year.
All that podcast done was put the matter into the wider public's knowledge.
I am guessing that this is the first post ever put onto this forum from Brazil 🇧🇷 😂
In reply to Post #409
That from Ian is probably the most damning thing I've personally heard so far.
When was that podcast broadcast Chuffy?
That from Ian is probably the most damning thing I've personally heard so far.
When was that podcast broadcast Chuffy?
And another thing.... How do you sue people... When it was yourself who put this information out there in the first place via that Nash podcast? A podcast they now say was preplanned and staged?
That Nash podcast where he first talks about it... Let's have it right... He fans the flames that he lit himself. It would be very hard to sue people after that I'd imagine.
I'm probably just jet lagged... But none of it makes no sense to me.
That Nash podcast where he first talks about it... Let's have it right... He fans the flames that he lit himself. It would be very hard to sue people after that I'd imagine.
I'm probably just jet lagged... But none of it makes no sense to me.
In reply to Post #414
Are any of them Nash sponsored? If not it was a nice bit of ambushing asking him about it on a Nash podcast 😂
Are any of them Nash sponsored? If not it was a nice bit of ambushing asking him about it on a Nash podcast 😂
In reply to Post #413
When was that podcast broadcast Chuffy?
26/09/21
I am guessing that this is the first post ever put onto this forum from Brazil 🇧🇷 😂
I may have beaten you to that one
When was that podcast broadcast Chuffy?
26/09/21
I am guessing that this is the first post ever put onto this forum from Brazil 🇧🇷 😂
I may have beaten you to that one
In reply to Post #409
Just watched this. Ian 100% knows what's going on.
Speaks volumes by saying next to nothing.
Just watched this. Ian 100% knows what's going on.
Speaks volumes by saying next to nothing.
In reply to Post #417
I've met Ian at the club lakes I fish. Sat and had a brew with Ian and Ron Buss many times, genuine bloke, thoughtful and fishes away from everyone quietly, absolute gentleman. As you say Andy, those comments from Ian are the most poignant of this whole saga.
I've met Ian at the club lakes I fish. Sat and had a brew with Ian and Ron Buss many times, genuine bloke, thoughtful and fishes away from everyone quietly, absolute gentleman. As you say Andy, those comments from Ian are the most poignant of this whole saga.
In reply to Post #371
It´s " Hor-Munga ... turns Red Letter days into Red Letter hours "
It´s " Hor-Munga ... turns Red Letter days into Red Letter hours "
Be very interested to hear what Stephen White thinks of this now; afterall the podcast CLEARLY stated that no names would be mentioned, AND THEY WERE NOT. My view is that the podcast by Sam and Pete had every right to discuss this, and I applaud them for doing so, Baitworks also covered it recently and went closer to the names suggested mainly due to the attention the subject has gained in the last month or so.
Legal proceedings would not stand any chance of success, so these can simply be considered tactics to reduce online finger pointing etc. No lawyer would even consider taking this on I'd imagine..
Legal proceedings would not stand any chance of success, so these can simply be considered tactics to reduce online finger pointing etc. No lawyer would even consider taking this on I'd imagine..
In reply to Post #416
What Ian said suggests to me he knows exactly what has been going on.The fact he does not do the bcac,he's got mates and does not want to upset anyone.How many have been doing this and for how long,it is not looking good
What Ian said suggests to me he knows exactly what has been going on.The fact he does not do the bcac,he's got mates and does not want to upset anyone.How many have been doing this and for how long,it is not looking good
In reply to Post #420
Gonna listen to CCPodcast again, to hear if any indirect clues are stated, that directly pinpoint said individuals, to get a better understanding.
Funny thing though, the first podcast with Bill C wasn´t aired, due to possible legal implications, so that interview was "put on hold", presumably after Sam & Pete sought legal advice before airing said podcast. So, i assume they should´ve done the same, with the more touchy subject regarding the issue of hormones ? Aren´t these podcasts edited before going online, to remove any "possible" incriminating evidence, which could lead to legal issues ???
Gonna listen to CCPodcast again, to hear if any indirect clues are stated, that directly pinpoint said individuals, to get a better understanding.
Funny thing though, the first podcast with Bill C wasn´t aired, due to possible legal implications, so that interview was "put on hold", presumably after Sam & Pete sought legal advice before airing said podcast. So, i assume they should´ve done the same, with the more touchy subject regarding the issue of hormones ? Aren´t these podcasts edited before going online, to remove any "possible" incriminating evidence, which could lead to legal issues ???
In reply to Post #422
The biggest mistake was made when they removed the podcast.. they lost all credibility by doing that in my book but even without any they are still way above "other" side, whoever that is.
The biggest mistake was made when they removed the podcast.. they lost all credibility by doing that in my book but even without any they are still way above "other" side, whoever that is.
In reply to Post #414
The original podcast when a certain angler look stunned by the question is now said to be ‘plotted' for reach and clicks. I would say the said angler and interviewer have a awful lot to answer for and have certainly risked theirs and their sponsors reputations.
So if we believe the above, and we should as it is verbatim from the angler, then we have to assume that certainly one individual courted this controversy and has spent the last few weeks, backpedaling and retro fitting some answers... all for clicks and attention.
When the attention is full on, then we get the “mental health, it's not fair” line. I'd say that is very self-indulgent and rather than go on the attack, maybe the public statement should be about apologising for the sht storm HE caused. The same from the Nash podcast team who has half the idiots searching through the worlds chemicals!
If I brought my employers into disrepute then I would have a high price to pay, they would also respond to protect their reputation. What they would not allow me to do is to take the moral high ground and go all out attack. If this was a couple of two Bob firms I could understand, but for the industry to stay silent when they are fully aware of the noise is shameful.
You then get to the actual point that Chemo refers to in the pod cast, if it is impossible to win, then the insurers of match events better check the policies, as that is 100s of £1000s, that wouldn't need highly paid lawyers once the first case is settled. Entry money, expenses and interest.
This is unlikely to ever come out, and the only chance a certain anglers has is surely to ignore the backslapping, and say “I read this all wrong, and am sorry to the fishing world, not for what I haven't used but the storm and possible damage I caused in pursuit of clicks”. Pod casts, and the trade and all of fishing should be discussing this, auditing the supply chain to prove angling is clean as it can be, not be hushed by some bedroom written post on the exact platform certain anglers are complaining about
The original podcast when a certain angler look stunned by the question is now said to be ‘plotted' for reach and clicks. I would say the said angler and interviewer have a awful lot to answer for and have certainly risked theirs and their sponsors reputations.
So if we believe the above, and we should as it is verbatim from the angler, then we have to assume that certainly one individual courted this controversy and has spent the last few weeks, backpedaling and retro fitting some answers... all for clicks and attention.
When the attention is full on, then we get the “mental health, it's not fair” line. I'd say that is very self-indulgent and rather than go on the attack, maybe the public statement should be about apologising for the sht storm HE caused. The same from the Nash podcast team who has half the idiots searching through the worlds chemicals!
If I brought my employers into disrepute then I would have a high price to pay, they would also respond to protect their reputation. What they would not allow me to do is to take the moral high ground and go all out attack. If this was a couple of two Bob firms I could understand, but for the industry to stay silent when they are fully aware of the noise is shameful.
You then get to the actual point that Chemo refers to in the pod cast, if it is impossible to win, then the insurers of match events better check the policies, as that is 100s of £1000s, that wouldn't need highly paid lawyers once the first case is settled. Entry money, expenses and interest.
This is unlikely to ever come out, and the only chance a certain anglers has is surely to ignore the backslapping, and say “I read this all wrong, and am sorry to the fishing world, not for what I haven't used but the storm and possible damage I caused in pursuit of clicks”. Pod casts, and the trade and all of fishing should be discussing this, auditing the supply chain to prove angling is clean as it can be, not be hushed by some bedroom written post on the exact platform certain anglers are complaining about
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Whole thing is embarrassing. Bloody fools using this stuff think we are all idiots. Think some stupid legal statement written by joey essex is going to take heat off. Me thinks not. What I would be doing is random testing throughout the bcac of mixes. By an unknown person. Don't let them know and catch them red handed. That's if they will still be using it. Very risky.
Whole thing is embarrassing. Bloody fools using this stuff think we are all idiots. Think some stupid legal statement written by joey essex is going to take heat off. Me thinks not. What I would be doing is random testing throughout the bcac of mixes. By an unknown person. Don't let them know and catch them red handed. That's if they will still be using it. Very risky.
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Just to clarify, Bill's first episode was published and then removed due to Bill himself requesting it whilst he sorted a few things out. We had no need to seek legal advice re the Bill episode. There was nothing sinister going on there.
This is all new territory for us, and I admit that we should have been more vigilant in editing the recent podcast. I stand by what I stated in the intro- I really did not want unfounded finger pointing to ensue. Unfortunately it seems as though I was nieve to think that it wouldn't.
Just to clarify, Bill's first episode was published and then removed due to Bill himself requesting it whilst he sorted a few things out. We had no need to seek legal advice re the Bill episode. There was nothing sinister going on there.
This is all new territory for us, and I admit that we should have been more vigilant in editing the recent podcast. I stand by what I stated in the intro- I really did not want unfounded finger pointing to ensue. Unfortunately it seems as though I was nieve to think that it wouldn't.
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Can definately see one ore two taking a "brief hiatus", due to mental anguish, brought on by unsubstantiated, personal online attacks. Wait for the tsunami to die down
The carping fraternity and powers at be, should be shouting at the top of their voices, to nip this in the bud, and publicly protest against the use of illegal substances within the sport.
Can definately see one ore two taking a "brief hiatus", due to mental anguish, brought on by unsubstantiated, personal online attacks. Wait for the tsunami to die down
The carping fraternity and powers at be, should be shouting at the top of their voices, to nip this in the bud, and publicly protest against the use of illegal substances within the sport.
In reply to Post #425
Ive been shafted by muppets on waters where if you catch to much thay cry and make up shi$ just to pull you down to there level, now I know f all , but boys if u done f all wrong fish more catch shi$ loads and say f off
Ive been shafted by muppets on waters where if you catch to much thay cry and make up shi$ just to pull you down to there level, now I know f all , but boys if u done f all wrong fish more catch shi$ loads and say f off
In reply to Post #427
The squirming he was doing on that podcast, a picture can paint a 1000 words!
The squirming he was doing on that podcast, a picture can paint a 1000 words!
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I wonder what Angling Direct make of this?
I wonder what Angling Direct make of this?
In reply to Post #426
Brave of Sam & Pete( and Stephen), discussing this issue on their podcast, despite the fact that they knew it would rustle afew feathers, so to speak, but since this topic has been doing the rounds within carping circles, it HAD TO BE BROUGHT TO LIGHT, rather sooner than later. Good job for doing that Unfortunately, the well intentioned expectations somehow took a wrong turn and ricocheted in another direction, serving someone elses personal agenda and source of reference, which unfortunately tainted the podcast,
Brave of Sam & Pete( and Stephen), discussing this issue on their podcast, despite the fact that they knew it would rustle afew feathers, so to speak, but since this topic has been doing the rounds within carping circles, it HAD TO BE BROUGHT TO LIGHT, rather sooner than later.
Good job for doing that Unfortunately, the well intentioned expectations somehow took a wrong turn and ricocheted in another direction, serving someone elses personal agenda and source of reference, which unfortunately tainted the podcast,
In reply to Post #427
Pair of filed down horns & he's the spit of HellBoy 😂
Pair of filed down horns & he's the spit of HellBoy 😂
In reply to Post #416
Quote... I may have beaten you to that one.
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It's crazy here today mate. I got off the plane yesterday and there was random people, crying everywhere. Some really famous singer from here died in a plane crash yesterday.
She was only 26. Marília Mendonça her name was I'm sure in your game you know who she is. The equivalent of Adele dying suddenly for the English I suppose. Quite sad how badly people here have been affected by it. Literally a nation in mourning today.
Quote... I may have beaten you to that one.
Ah yeah I forgot about you 😂
It's crazy here today mate. I got off the plane yesterday and there was random people, crying everywhere. Some really famous singer from here died in a plane crash yesterday.
She was only 26. Marília Mendonça her name was I'm sure in your game you know who she is. The equivalent of Adele dying suddenly for the English I suppose. Quite sad how badly people here have been affected by it. Literally a nation in mourning today.
What I find interesting, is that as far as I know, none of the big names have come out and condemned what's happening.
Also, the same applies to some of the sponsors, you'd have thought they wouldn't be happy with any negative publicity.
I mean look what's happening with regards Yorkshire Cricket. One whiff of racism and all their sponsors bailed (Pun Intended) and an Ex England captain gets booted off the BBC over it.
Also, the same applies to some of the sponsors, you'd have thought they wouldn't be happy with any negative publicity.
I mean look what's happening with regards Yorkshire Cricket. One whiff of racism and all their sponsors bailed (Pun Intended) and an Ex England captain gets booted off the BBC over it.
In reply to Post #436
Exactly. Says it all really. Looking after eachother. Said from start it will just get brushed under carpet. Too much reputation and money involved.
Exactly. Says it all really. Looking after eachother. Said from start it will just get brushed under carpet. Too much reputation and money involved.
In reply to Post #437
I can't imagine Peter Drennan is very happy. He's been shafted once before when the Drennan Team England match fishing accounts didn't add up. Pulled the plug after something like 25 yrs of sponsorship for the team. Be interesting to see what he does.
I can't imagine Peter Drennan is very happy. He's been shafted once before when the Drennan Team England match fishing accounts didn't add up. Pulled the plug after something like 25 yrs of sponsorship for the team. Be interesting to see what he does.
In reply to Post #437
100%. Everyone that's been at it knows that nobody can ever prove what's been going on, so they can flat out deny it and issue any legal threats they want to put anyone that's knows the score off speaking out.
Ian Russell makes it clear as day in that podcast he knows what's going on.
100%. Everyone that's been at it knows that nobody can ever prove what's been going on, so they can flat out deny it and issue any legal threats they want to put anyone that's knows the score off speaking out.
Ian Russell makes it clear as day in that podcast he knows what's going on.
In reply to Post #437
The biggest single edge an angler can have is time. The second is large amounts of quality bait. People tend to want to bait while they are fishing rather than in preparation to their visit, some days before. The average angler does not have the above or they see prebaiting as a waste. But look at G. Ellis. An ordinary angler by reputation but one who is not afraid to step outside of the box, and bait heavily. His results are generally above average because of it. You might look upon him and suggest he is cheating while he is not. You can do the same as him, but you do not. I think we are being quick to look for the biggest of smoking guns, but when in reality. there is nothing to see here, just competent anglers. I spent some time looking after fisheries. The same five percent of the anglers would catch ninety percent of the fish. They weren't using hormones or chemicals, they just understood fish and water really well.
The biggest single edge an angler can have is time. The second is large amounts of quality bait. People tend to want to bait while they are fishing rather than in preparation to their visit, some days before. The average angler does not have the above or they see prebaiting as a waste. But look at G. Ellis. An ordinary angler by reputation but one who is not afraid to step outside of the box, and bait heavily. His results are generally above average because of it. You might look upon him and suggest he is cheating while he is not. You can do the same as him, but you do not. I think we are being quick to look for the biggest of smoking guns, but when in reality. there is nothing to see here, just competent anglers. I spent some time looking after fisheries. The same five percent of the anglers would catch ninety percent of the fish. They weren't using hormones or chemicals, they just understood fish and water really well.
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to me,anyone that knows what's going on,and for whatever reason won't come out and say so then they are as guilty in all of this as the people doing it...too many people not wanting to lose their cushy number within the industry by rocking the boat and putting their head above the parapet.
to me,anyone that knows what's going on,and for whatever reason won't come out and say so then they are as guilty in all of this as the people doing it...too many people not wanting to lose their cushy number within the industry by rocking the boat and putting their head above the parapet.
In reply to Post #441
...case in point:
Miss Georgina Ballentyne caught the largest salmon ever caught on rod and line. It has often been said her female pheromones were impossible for the salmon to resist. The truth is she was with the best guide and persisted when everyone else had given up and gone in.
...case in point:
Miss Georgina Ballentyne caught the largest salmon ever caught on rod and line. It has often been said her female pheromones were impossible for the salmon to resist. The truth is she was with the best guide and persisted when everyone else had given up and gone in.
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In reply to Post #441
Would you be willing to risk being sued and potentially lose everything you have? How exactly are you going to prove what's happened in the past? Nothing is going to stand up in court, even if someone's Mrs is a vet or whatever then that's a totally legitimate purchase of said hormone and means nothing.
Would you be willing to risk being sued and potentially lose everything you have? How exactly are you going to prove what's happened in the past? Nothing is going to stand up in court, even if someone's Mrs is a vet or whatever then that's a totally legitimate purchase of said hormone and means nothing.
In reply to Post #440
I agree that persistent heavy baiting of the same spot is a very good tactic, and underused in that many can't/won't put the time and money into it.
In the cases being discussed the anglers specifically said that they had not pre baited or put any prep work in. Listen to the Kevin Hewitt Nash podcast.
I agree that persistent heavy baiting of the same spot is a very good tactic, and underused in that many can't/won't put the time and money into it.
In the cases being discussed the anglers specifically said that they had not pre baited or put any prep work in. Listen to the Kevin Hewitt Nash podcast.
Some people on here have a very Hollywood view of our legal system. Do people know how much defamation/slander/libel cases cost to take through court? If the statements against them are true there is no chance that it would be worth risking all that money.
If people know that this illegal substance is being used and know this to be 100% true then they should have some morals, protect the sport that we all love and speak out. All this dancing around the subject is embarrassing.
If people know that this illegal substance is being used and know this to be 100% true then they should have some morals, protect the sport that we all love and speak out. All this dancing around the subject is embarrassing.
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They all know that this will bring the end of the booming industry. How many videos, articles, etc can you make when the customer base has little faith? It's not just the users of it that will suffer. The entire industry would. It's why they are brushing it under the rug. Problem is, the damage is already done. I don't think they'll be many anglers that see a big hit of fish and dont immediately think “on the hormone probably” and discount it.
They all know that this will bring the end of the booming industry. How many videos, articles, etc can you make when the customer base has little faith? It's not just the users of it that will suffer. The entire industry would. It's why they are brushing it under the rug. Problem is, the damage is already done. I don't think they'll be many anglers that see a big hit of fish and dont immediately think “on the hormone probably” and discount it.
In reply to Post #446
Great point, and to add another...
If I make a discovery of a new product, process or service at work, the intellectual property (ip) belongs to my employer, its in my contract.
If a consultant of a bait Company discovers a great edge whilst under contract to said company, why on earth would they not report, develop and commercialise the opportunity, especially on the back of such a wave of publicity, surely this is the perfect storm, assuming the product or edge is above board and legit?
Moreover, how would you feel if your consultants had a super 'edge', whilst working and representing your company potentially taking salary, free or discounted products, publicly endorsing the company and brand, yet failed to divulge said edge???
To me, whatever has gone on and whomever has done it, something does not ring true, there is no logical explanation that I can think of that is marketable or equitable, which leads me, as a reasonable man to believe the 'edge' is neither.....
Great point, and to add another...
If I make a discovery of a new product, process or service at work, the intellectual property (ip) belongs to my employer, its in my contract.
If a consultant of a bait Company discovers a great edge whilst under contract to said company, why on earth would they not report, develop and commercialise the opportunity, especially on the back of such a wave of publicity, surely this is the perfect storm, assuming the product or edge is above board and legit?
Moreover, how would you feel if your consultants had a super 'edge', whilst working and representing your company potentially taking salary, free or discounted products, publicly endorsing the company and brand, yet failed to divulge said edge???
To me, whatever has gone on and whomever has done it, something does not ring true, there is no logical explanation that I can think of that is marketable or equitable, which leads me, as a reasonable man to believe the 'edge' is neither.....
In reply to Post #444
Civil court is totally different to criminal court.
A libel or slander case has to be paid to be 'prosecuted', it is a civil case, not a criminal case. In other words, the person or persons who feel they have been wronged, libelled etc. have to pay to take it to court. If they win, then they will get costs returned in the form of the judgement.
It may not be a guarantee as it is not judge and jury, just the judges decision, until he decides a jury is required I believe, to examine specific material relevant to the case.
Civil court is totally different to criminal court.
A libel or slander case has to be paid to be 'prosecuted', it is a civil case, not a criminal case. In other words, the person or persons who feel they have been wronged, libelled etc. have to pay to take it to court. If they win, then they will get costs returned in the form of the judgement.
It may not be a guarantee as it is not judge and jury, just the judges decision, until he decides a jury is required I believe, to examine specific material relevant to the case.
In reply to Post #446
I know how the legal system works. I also know that it doesn't matter how true you know something is, if you can't stone cold prove it (how's anyone going to do that in this situation?) then you would lose should it ever go to court. Then you'd be liable for said other party's massive costs and probably end up with you and your kids homeless. Who's to say RH wouldn't fund it, knowing full well they would win? Would you risk it?
I know how the legal system works. I also know that it doesn't matter how true you know something is, if you can't stone cold prove it (how's anyone going to do that in this situation?) then you would lose should it ever go to court. Then you'd be liable for said other party's massive costs and probably end up with you and your kids homeless. Who's to say RH wouldn't fund it, knowing full well they would win? Would you risk it?
In reply to Post #449
Who said anything about criminal court? How can you win a case if someone sues you for something you've said, but with zero proof?
‘Yeah but he's had all those big hits, everyone knows he's on the sauce, listen to the podcasts!' Isn't going to cut it. So you lose, then as you said, pay the other party's costs, and you're ruined.
There are people with deep pockets who have a vested interest here, why do you think anybody who's said something has retracted their statements?
Easy to say ‘if someone knows it's happening then they need to speak up' when it's not your house on the line.
Who said anything about criminal court? How can you win a case if someone sues you for something you've said, but with zero proof?
‘Yeah but he's had all those big hits, everyone knows he's on the sauce, listen to the podcasts!' Isn't going to cut it. So you lose, then as you said, pay the other party's costs, and you're ruined.
There are people with deep pockets who have a vested interest here, why do you think anybody who's said something has retracted their statements?
Easy to say ‘if someone knows it's happening then they need to speak up' when it's not your house on the line.
In reply to Post #448
Out of interest..Anyone seen the bcac results for the last 4 years ? Uncanny the names and catches that dominate at the top. 2019 is laughable the weight differences between the top 2 and the rest. Bare in mind I'm pretty sure these matches alot of anglers are doing same thing and in well stocked waters. Ian Russell knows the score.
Out of interest..Anyone seen the bcac results for the last 4 years ? Uncanny the names and catches that dominate at the top. 2019 is laughable the weight differences between the top 2 and the rest. Bare in mind I'm pretty sure these matches alot of anglers are doing same thing and in well stocked waters. Ian Russell knows the score.
In reply to Post #450
Let's assume that nobody would make the accusations on record (in print, social media, Internet forum etc) without being 100% certain that they know that their statement is true. I would hope that was a given.
Let's also assume that the rumoured ‘substance' is a legitimate controlled veterinary medicine, available by prescription but being used to lure fish rather than the purpose for which it was prescribed.
Correct, the burden of truth is with the person making the statement. The most straightforward way to defend is to prove the statement to be true. In order to do that the substance has to be named and the source of prescription would be investigated and identified. While this was being investigated the source would more than likely be suspended. If found to be providing false prescription then struck off, losing their livelihood.
You then have the accusation of applying this ‘substance' into a waterway for financial gain. Would the EA choose to investigate as a criminal activity?
The whole process could cost hundreds of thousands of pounds. Other than those individuals being accused, which company or philanthropist with deep enough pockets has enough interest to take these risks and why?
Let's assume that nobody would make the accusations on record (in print, social media, Internet forum etc) without being 100% certain that they know that their statement is true. I would hope that was a given.
Let's also assume that the rumoured ‘substance' is a legitimate controlled veterinary medicine, available by prescription but being used to lure fish rather than the purpose for which it was prescribed.
Correct, the burden of truth is with the person making the statement. The most straightforward way to defend is to prove the statement to be true. In order to do that the substance has to be named and the source of prescription would be investigated and identified. While this was being investigated the source would more than likely be suspended. If found to be providing false prescription then struck off, losing their livelihood.
You then have the accusation of applying this ‘substance' into a waterway for financial gain. Would the EA choose to investigate as a criminal activity?
The whole process could cost hundreds of thousands of pounds. Other than those individuals being accused, which company or philanthropist with deep enough pockets has enough interest to take these risks and why?
In reply to Post #421
Crikey, he won't enter any more as he knows he won't win.
Crikey, he won't enter any more as he knows he won't win.
The main difference between criminal law and civil law is ; in criminal law it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt, where as civil law is based on the balance of probability... it's easier to prove in civil law as the burden of proof is less....
Let's just say i posted some comments on this forum which someone wanted to sue me for....in criminal law they would have to prove 100% it was me that posted the comments, in court i could argue my mate jimmy, john and peter all know my log in details and it might have been them who posted the comments,(which would create reasonable doubt) the police would then have to prove beyond reasonable doubt it was me, by getting the IP address of where the comments were posted from and proving it was me, where as in civil law they would just have to convince the judge that on the balance of probability it was me.....
Also the police could interview jimmy, john and peter under caution, and if they lied in court they could get prosecuted...where as the police will not get involved in civil cases, and jimmy and co could refuse to speak to the prosecution under civil law..... proving the comments were made by XXX person would be hard, unless it was a podcast etc. they would also have to prove they have suffered financial loss due to the comments.....
It's all Bollox no one will be getting sued, you could if you reallly wanted make fake online accounts and go mad trolling, the personal costs to track the person down and sue would be astronomical and would take months if not years in legal fees.
Let's just say i posted some comments on this forum which someone wanted to sue me for....in criminal law they would have to prove 100% it was me that posted the comments, in court i could argue my mate jimmy, john and peter all know my log in details and it might have been them who posted the comments,(which would create reasonable doubt) the police would then have to prove beyond reasonable doubt it was me, by getting the IP address of where the comments were posted from and proving it was me, where as in civil law they would just have to convince the judge that on the balance of probability it was me.....
Also the police could interview jimmy, john and peter under caution, and if they lied in court they could get prosecuted...where as the police will not get involved in civil cases, and jimmy and co could refuse to speak to the prosecution under civil law..... proving the comments were made by XXX person would be hard, unless it was a podcast etc. they would also have to prove they have suffered financial loss due to the comments.....
It's all Bollox no one will be getting sued, you could if you reallly wanted make fake online accounts and go mad trolling, the personal costs to track the person down and sue would be astronomical and would take months if not years in legal fees.
In reply to Post #455
Which is why in the real world (not the tiny, tiny % of people that are worried about a fishing competition) you virtually never hear of anyone suing for stuff said on the net. Apart from the odd WAG bitching in public!
Which is why in the real world (not the tiny, tiny % of people that are worried about a fishing competition) you virtually never hear of anyone suing for stuff said on the net. Apart from the odd WAG bitching in public!
In reply to Post #456
Libel deformation cases are the reserve of the wealthy in the UK due to the exorbitant costs which can easily spiral into the hundreds of thousands!! I believe the Wagatha Christie case is somewhere in the region of £600,000 per plaintiff
Libel deformation cases are the reserve of the wealthy in the UK due to the exorbitant costs which can easily spiral into the hundreds of thousands!! I believe the Wagatha Christie case is somewhere in the region of £600,000 per plaintiff
Reading all of this, the hardcore barbel boys had it right all along. No wonder they snear at carp anglers with utter distain and total contempt. Carp angling is up the swanny.
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Just bite your lip and don't get involved Mark you Joey.
Just bite your lip and don't get involved Mark you Joey.
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I had a proper rant... These match fishing nods are really starting to wind me up now. They are urinating all over everything we all love. The fallout from all this is going to be longggggg.
All so pointless. ****ing podcasts. ****ing carp matches. They need to jog on back to the Avenue with the former Korda bloke who's about to start putting Israeli carp on mainstream TV.... Because it's easy innit.
Clearly Korda were subduing this sort of thing before. Hats off to Korda I say.
I had a proper rant... These match fishing nods are really starting to wind me up now. They are urinating all over everything we all love. The fallout from all this is going to be longggggg.
All so pointless. ****ing podcasts. ****ing carp matches. They need to jog on back to the Avenue with the former Korda bloke who's about to start putting Israeli carp on mainstream TV.... Because it's easy innit.
Clearly Korda were subduing this sort of thing before. Hats off to Korda I say.
In reply to Post #461
I've said before on this board it's not just the match guys using this method of gaining an advantage over other anglers. It's been used on the continent that I know of with devastating results for over 18 months ( admitted it came from the match world) on recreational trips. Hard to stop when you can guarantee a catch filled week when the cost of a blank could be £2k+ plus holiday time etc.
Israeli carp and the people involved in filling our lakes are bell ends mate. Have a good trip
I've said before on this board it's not just the match guys using this method of gaining an advantage over other anglers. It's been used on the continent that I know of with devastating results for over 18 months ( admitted it came from the match world) on recreational trips. Hard to stop when you can guarantee a catch filled week when the cost of a blank could be £2k+ plus holiday time etc.
Israeli carp and the people involved in filling our lakes are bell ends mate. Have a good trip
What's the story on social media, are people still raising the issue?
The silence from the tackle and bait companies represented is shocking. In any other ‘sport' the club/team/sponsor would be forced to investigate if a representative had been accused of cheating.
If the Anglers Times/ Carpfeed had any journalists worth their salt they should be on the case too.
The silence from the tackle and bait companies represented is shocking. In any other ‘sport' the club/team/sponsor would be forced to investigate if a representative had been accused of cheating.
If the Anglers Times/ Carpfeed had any journalists worth their salt they should be on the case too.
In reply to Post #459
I can't wait til you come back through customs.
“Have you got any illegal substances sir?”
“Er no I use a curing process and years of hard graft you cheeky sod”
I can't wait til you come back through customs.
“Have you got any illegal substances sir?”
“Er no I use a curing process and years of hard graft you cheeky sod”
In reply to Post #463
If you think about it, the reason they don't want this to be resolved is because if it is proven then every future competition will have to be tested to ensure it or anything similar is not present in any competitors baits. The cost and logistics of this would be so prohibitive as to render the event unfeasible.
Of course they could make all entrants sign an affidavit to say they aren't using any prohibited substances. Who would believe them?
If you think about it, the reason they don't want this to be resolved is because if it is proven then every future competition will have to be tested to ensure it or anything similar is not present in any competitors baits. The cost and logistics of this would be so prohibitive as to render the event unfeasible.
Of course they could make all entrants sign an affidavit to say they aren't using any prohibited substances. Who would believe them?
In reply to Post #465
Let's face it, many carp anglers feel that match fishing for money is a stain on the pastime anyway. Maybe the greed of the cheats could have put it to bed for good.
If they can't police what chemicals people are putting into the lakes then they shouldn't be allowed to use the lakes and abuse the stock. The sponsors of these events should at least want some answers.
Let's face it, many carp anglers feel that match fishing for money is a stain on the pastime anyway. Maybe the greed of the cheats could have put it to bed for good.
If they can't police what chemicals people are putting into the lakes then they shouldn't be allowed to use the lakes and abuse the stock. The sponsors of these events should at least want some answers.
In reply to Post #463
Tackle companies probably don't care. But the bait companies should make a statement as potentially there bait has been sold to the public under false pretences.
Tackle companies probably don't care. But the bait companies should make a statement as potentially there bait has been sold to the public under false pretences.
In reply to Post #467
The bigger worry is that IF anyone admitted to it, what would happen to their competition winnings.......???
Obviously IF they had placed in any comps.
Allegedly, as they say on HIGNFY
The bigger worry is that IF anyone admitted to it, what would happen to their competition winnings.......???
Obviously IF they had placed in any comps.
Allegedly, as they say on HIGNFY
In reply to Post #468
I mentioned this earlier on in the thread or on the other one. The legal challenges will come because some of the prize money is significant isn't it.
I mentioned this earlier on in the thread or on the other one. The legal challenges will come because some of the prize money is significant isn't it.
In reply to Post #461
Lot of truth in that
Soon, hormones, 40lb stock fish and the likes will become accepted and dare I say it, credible, because all these shallow ****s trying to claim fame from the past time will drive it down this route even if they have not already!!!
It's ****ed, the very foundations of the pastime such as special old fish, the chase, the capture, the merit that comes with it are becoming a distant past and that's down to fame seekng ****s trying to promote themselves with any ****ter that they can get in their hands on, no respect for history of the pastime or anything else, just their OWN personal gains
It's simple, publicity bans. It will stop all the bollox and take fishing back to what it should be, man in pursuit of big old carp because it's his passion, not to feed his desire and be the tool for self promotion
Just imagine that, a water where catches could not be posted in public media etc. There would be no shallow or sickly ****s because they had nothing to gain, just genuine people going about their business for the love of big old carp
Lot of truth in that
Soon, hormones, 40lb stock fish and the likes will become accepted and dare I say it, credible, because all these shallow ****s trying to claim fame from the past time will drive it down this route even if they have not already!!!
It's ****ed, the very foundations of the pastime such as special old fish, the chase, the capture, the merit that comes with it are becoming a distant past and that's down to fame seekng ****s trying to promote themselves with any ****ter that they can get in their hands on, no respect for history of the pastime or anything else, just their OWN personal gains
It's simple, publicity bans. It will stop all the bollox and take fishing back to what it should be, man in pursuit of big old carp because it's his passion, not to feed his desire and be the tool for self promotion
Just imagine that, a water where catches could not be posted in public media etc. There would be no shallow or sickly ****s because they had nothing to gain, just genuine people going about their business for the love of big old carp
In reply to Post #470
I agree with what you are saying, however if what you wish for came true, then there would be only word of mouth. If you know the right people your in. Otherwise your oblivious and irrelevant. The carp scene would go back to where it was 45 years ago when I started. Secret Squirrel. No merchandise no innovation for lack of investment. Waters would become neglected and fish would die. Like it or not the future will not be the same as the past. Just look at what Wraysbury has become. The purists may not like it but it is the future. That or lakes get backfilled and turned into housing estates.
I agree with what you are saying, however if what you wish for came true, then there would be only word of mouth. If you know the right people your in. Otherwise your oblivious and irrelevant. The carp scene would go back to where it was 45 years ago when I started. Secret Squirrel. No merchandise no innovation for lack of investment. Waters would become neglected and fish would die. Like it or not the future will not be the same as the past. Just look at what Wraysbury has become. The purists may not like it but it is the future. That or lakes get backfilled and turned into housing estates.
In reply to Post #470
Absolutely, would love to see more publicity bans. Getting fed up of film crews and drones on the lakes I fish. They just attract the glory boys. Fortunately, one of my tickets does have a publicity ban, needless to say its the most chilled with no 'celebrities'....
Absolutely, would love to see more publicity bans. Getting fed up of film crews and drones on the lakes I fish. They just attract the glory boys. Fortunately, one of my tickets does have a publicity ban, needless to say its the most chilled with no 'celebrities'....
In reply to Post #458
I do all forms of angling from Barbel, Chub, Pike, Cat, Grayling, Fly/Trout, and I am good friends with loads of general coarse/pleasure anglers, take it from me it's not just the Barbel Boys who utterly despise what Carp Fishing has turned into.
I hear it first-hand all the bloody time!
I do all forms of angling from Barbel, Chub, Pike, Cat, Grayling, Fly/Trout, and I am good friends with loads of general coarse/pleasure anglers, take it from me it's not just the Barbel Boys who utterly despise what Carp Fishing has turned into.
I hear it first-hand all the bloody time!
In reply to Post #473
I think a lot of carp anglers despise what it's become as well.
I think a lot of carp anglers despise what it's become as well.
In reply to Post #474
I think a lot of carp anglers despise what it's become as well.
Yep very true, me included.
When I started Carp Fishing all those years ago, I used to think "They have got it so good down south" Now I think "Boy I'm a lucky sod being up North!" On the 4 waters I fish, they have been meticulously kept to the same ethos and standards as back in the 80/90's
I think a lot of carp anglers despise what it's become as well.
Yep very true, me included.
When I started Carp Fishing all those years ago, I used to think "They have got it so good down south" Now I think "Boy I'm a lucky sod being up North!" On the 4 waters I fish, they have been meticulously kept to the same ethos and standards as back in the 80/90's
I predict carping is peaking,...there is only so many times the wheel can be reinvented..
There is very little individual skill in carp angling now,compared to the likes of a time served all round angler,who knows how to do shotting patterns, tie spade end hooks in the dark, play and land fish with a rod that actually bends ,and brings a smile on the face regardless of size,or species..
Carping is one dimension, its all done for you,all in a packet off the Internet or on YouTube.. now,I believe those who haven't done the apprenticeship on the smaller species,and don't know,or want to learn about other species,harder species to catch,are missing out,..these so called instant carp fishers,are most likely not true anglers in their entirety, but got caught up in the hype ,the gadgets,the tattooed sleeves,the beards,the drone,the deeper..the marketing, the money ,the stupid high prices of some places to fish..
It was once said, carp angling saved course fishing,now I believe carp fishing,could do the opposite to the past time we all say we love,..
Myself I set my own rules,I avoid busy lakes,I avoid other anglers,I avoid lakes with very big fish,because with big fish comes big heads,or people with some sort of ego..and so,like my father predicted,although I love carping ,slowly and surely I find my self heading back to real angling,on the smaller species..
Carping is a circus,...as for these Hormones real, otherwise or imagined,or just plain jealous other people ,it's all going to potentially go mammeries up...
Money ,greed ,and ego...!
There is very little individual skill in carp angling now,compared to the likes of a time served all round angler,who knows how to do shotting patterns, tie spade end hooks in the dark, play and land fish with a rod that actually bends ,and brings a smile on the face regardless of size,or species..
Carping is one dimension, its all done for you,all in a packet off the Internet or on YouTube.. now,I believe those who haven't done the apprenticeship on the smaller species,and don't know,or want to learn about other species,harder species to catch,are missing out,..these so called instant carp fishers,are most likely not true anglers in their entirety, but got caught up in the hype ,the gadgets,the tattooed sleeves,the beards,the drone,the deeper..the marketing, the money ,the stupid high prices of some places to fish..
It was once said, carp angling saved course fishing,now I believe carp fishing,could do the opposite to the past time we all say we love,..
Myself I set my own rules,I avoid busy lakes,I avoid other anglers,I avoid lakes with very big fish,because with big fish comes big heads,or people with some sort of ego..and so,like my father predicted,although I love carping ,slowly and surely I find my self heading back to real angling,on the smaller species..
Carping is a circus,...as for these Hormones real, otherwise or imagined,or just plain jealous other people ,it's all going to potentially go mammeries up...
Money ,greed ,and ego...!
In reply to Post #470
Wished a lake I used to be on had a publicity ban.It would of stopped some bellend making a Facebook page for it,totally ruined the place
Wished a lake I used to be on had a publicity ban.It would of stopped some bellend making a Facebook page for it,totally ruined the place
In reply to Post #471
Things change, I think we are all aware and f that. It's the change for the worse that grinds me
They will be back filling them or stocking them with other species when everybody is sick to the back teeth of where we are now. Far too many fame seekers which in turn drives supply and demand
instant anglers with instant fish with instant results, the word plastic springs to mind. Good fishery management with realistic stocking is the only way to sustain this pastime for the future for me.
Anyway, where were with hormones.
Things change, I think we are all aware and f that. It's the change for the worse that grinds me
They will be back filling them or stocking them with other species when everybody is sick to the back teeth of where we are now. Far too many fame seekers which in turn drives supply and demand
instant anglers with instant fish with instant results, the word plastic springs to mind. Good fishery management with realistic stocking is the only way to sustain this pastime for the future for me.
Anyway, where were with hormones.
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In reply to Post #479
Perfect
Perfect
In reply to Post #476
One lake I fish has now produced a 40lb plus fish and it's very difficult to get a swim. Let alone a swim that give you a good chance of a fish. 5 years ago you could turn up midweek and see hardly another car in the car park. It's a bloody circus now.
One lake I fish has now produced a 40lb plus fish and it's very difficult to get a swim. Let alone a swim that give you a good chance of a fish. 5 years ago you could turn up midweek and see hardly another car in the car park. It's a bloody circus now.
In reply to Post #481
Well mate,same...recently I planned to fish my local ressi,I don't go there all the time,but have loved it for fishing near 40 yrs,..
So I turn up, on Monday 7am,..only to basically bucket my swim,I have ,never ever,ever,had to bucket a swim on any lake before..
Literally other 'anglers'chucking stuff willy nilly on their barrows as fast as they could ..
I was saddened..
Well mate,same...recently I planned to fish my local ressi,I don't go there all the time,but have loved it for fishing near 40 yrs,..
So I turn up, on Monday 7am,..only to basically bucket my swim,I have ,never ever,ever,had to bucket a swim on any lake before..
Literally other 'anglers'chucking stuff willy nilly on their barrows as fast as they could ..
I was saddened..
In reply to Post #476
So.......anyway we can stop the rot???
So.......anyway we can stop the rot???
In reply to Post #481
Try some hormone, swim choice sounds irrelevant
Sad if you are a regular and it turns into circus though
Still waters out there though
Try some hormone, swim choice sounds irrelevant
Sad if you are a regular and it turns into circus though
Still waters out there though
Guys, i understand the moral disgust you are venting, i also fully agree that many waters in the uk, france and now even in holland are laughable, etc etc, but exactly what law dictates that an unknow substance is illegal? Is there even a list with substances not allowed, and i'm not talking maggots here.
Anyways, it does clear up that silly "got a clear spot here, lets's spod it to death" approach , cause finding a clear spot can not be enough for such results.
Anyways, it does clear up that silly "got a clear spot here, lets's spod it to death" approach
, cause finding a clear spot can not be enough for such results.
In reply to Post #483
Can we stop the rot?
A very good question indeed,I don't know mate ,myself I can individually remove myself from modern carping and the associated bs and dramas,many cannot or don't want or wish to,or even worse don't know any better..
I've said it before,I'm getting my trad kit spot on,...proper fishing,proper aspirations and my own self made mindset of enjoying angling..
Change has to come from within ourselves and angling in general..I have stopped watching TV,brainwashing the masses,same for angling ,I don't follow anyone or anything,my own path...I catch loads of fish all species,
All on my own terms...
Can we stop the rot?
A very good question indeed,I don't know mate ,myself I can individually remove myself from modern carping and the associated bs and dramas,many cannot or don't want or wish to,or even worse don't know any better..
I've said it before,I'm getting my trad kit spot on,...proper fishing,proper aspirations and my own self made mindset of enjoying angling..
Change has to come from within ourselves and angling in general..I have stopped watching TV,brainwashing the masses,same for angling ,I don't follow anyone or anything,my own path...I catch loads of fish all species,
All on my own terms...
This has taken carp fishing into the realms of cycling, Russian athletics and body building. If a record gets broken in any of these sports a lot of people will just think the competitor was on the gear. Big hits in fishing will now be viewed as worthless as well.
I've gotta be honest apart from the Maker fella I have no idea who the other people releasing the statement are. So I will use him as an example. Let's say he rocks up a linear for the gazillionth time (other venues are available) and bangs out a load of fish. So he plasters them all over social media, hashtagging the **** out of his bait sponsor. Well all credibility of that capture is gone cos no ones gonna believe it was done using his current bait. I bet they are well happy with him. Can you imagine the sarky comments every time he does a catch report.
I find the statement a bit odd. It's like when my kids were little and they'd come down stairs and say something like “I just want you to know that the broken tv in my room is nothing to do with me”
As long as someone didn't accuse me of kiddy fiddling or rape etc I wouldn't give two hoots when a load of faceless morons on the internet thought of my fishing. This has been a complete PR disaster for them. As far as I can tell, no one has named them, yet they've set about trying to trash their own reputations. Absolute madness.
I've gotta be honest apart from the Maker fella I have no idea who the other people releasing the statement are. So I will use him as an example. Let's say he rocks up a linear for the gazillionth time (other venues are available) and bangs out a load of fish. So he plasters them all over social media, hashtagging the **** out of his bait sponsor. Well all credibility of that capture is gone cos no ones gonna believe it was done using his current bait. I bet they are well happy with him. Can you imagine the sarky comments every time he does a catch report.
I find the statement a bit odd. It's like when my kids were little and they'd come down stairs and say something like “I just want you to know that the broken tv in my room is nothing to do with me”
As long as someone didn't accuse me of kiddy fiddling or rape etc I wouldn't give two hoots when a load of faceless morons on the internet thought of my fishing. This has been a complete PR disaster for them. As far as I can tell, no one has named them, yet they've set about trying to trash their own reputations. Absolute madness.
In reply to Post #471
Wraysbury is the epitome of what carp fishing has become - Horton being it's ridiculous progenitor -, that being centrally geared around money, and loads of it, which I'd go as far to say is worse of for it. Carp fishing has become a joke, and a very bad joke at that, I mean, carp matches? FFS!
It's true to say that the genie won't be able to be put in its bottle, more than likely somewhere along the way either people will move on to the next thing, I don't know, catching big shark, or carp fishing will just fizzle out of its own accord or be banned for some reason or another.
I wholeheartedly applaud people keeping their mouths shut so as to stop the silly words coming out, I encourage it. Even if Maddocks never told anyone about the hair rig, people would have still caught fish on floats/swim feeders, you name it. Even if Wilton had never put pen to paper in regards to HNV baits, fish to this day get caught on stuff like sweetcorn, funnily enough Yates's record the Bishop fell to the golden grains, you know? Don't get caught up in the thinking that if tackle companies or similar didn't have involvement with development that new ideas/strategies/evolutionary concepts would never get created, people do the aforementioned just because...
Anglers broadcasting where they're fishing/what they're catching/how they're catching has played a large part in carp fishing's gradual demise. By watching carp fishing content, all you're doing is encouraging anglers to put more videos out there which only attracts yet more anglers, which ends up with places becoming more busy, the fish become harder to catch so people will find yet more ingenious ways to catch carp at all costs with the net result in the whole thing being one great big giant cluster f..k race to the bottom.
Wraysbury is the epitome of what carp fishing has become - Horton being it's ridiculous progenitor -, that being centrally geared around money, and loads of it, which I'd go as far to say is worse of for it. Carp fishing has become a joke, and a very bad joke at that, I mean, carp matches? FFS!
It's true to say that the genie won't be able to be put in its bottle, more than likely somewhere along the way either people will move on to the next thing, I don't know, catching big shark, or carp fishing will just fizzle out of its own accord or be banned for some reason or another.
I wholeheartedly applaud people keeping their mouths shut so as to stop the silly words coming out, I encourage it. Even if Maddocks never told anyone about the hair rig, people would have still caught fish on floats/swim feeders, you name it. Even if Wilton had never put pen to paper in regards to HNV baits, fish to this day get caught on stuff like sweetcorn, funnily enough Yates's record the Bishop fell to the golden grains, you know? Don't get caught up in the thinking that if tackle companies or similar didn't have involvement with development that new ideas/strategies/evolutionary concepts would never get created, people do the aforementioned just because...
Anglers broadcasting where they're fishing/what they're catching/how they're catching has played a large part in carp fishing's gradual demise. By watching carp fishing content, all you're doing is encouraging anglers to put more videos out there which only attracts yet more anglers, which ends up with places becoming more busy, the fish become harder to catch so people will find yet more ingenious ways to catch carp at all costs with the net result in the whole thing being one great big giant cluster f..k race to the bottom.
In reply to Post #479
Rmfho....brilliant!
Rmfho....brilliant!
In reply to Post #473
I can well believe it, if truth be told, generally speaking I can't stand "carp anglers", they make my skin crawl, so much so i fish places with not a lot in that only a few like minded souls tread the same paths and share the bank with.
Since I first caught my first ever proper carp back in 81, I've mostly fished for them. I do fish for other species,.as a matter of fact I'll be out next weekend watching a float drift down my local river, happy to catch whatever comes my way 👍
I can well believe it, if truth be told, generally speaking I can't stand "carp anglers", they make my skin crawl, so much so i fish places with not a lot in that only a few like minded souls tread the same paths and share the bank with.
Since I first caught my first ever proper carp back in 81, I've mostly fished for them. I do fish for other species,.as a matter of fact I'll be out next weekend watching a float drift down my local river, happy to catch whatever comes my way 👍
In reply to Post #476
so true..
so true..
In reply to Post #486
I hear you! So I know as individuals we can escape and do some 'proper angling', be that for carp or any other species.But I'd love someone in the limelight to call this all out, not just dodgy bait but everything to do with modern day carp fishing. I know I'm probably dreaming.
I hear you! So I know as individuals we can escape and do some 'proper angling', be that for carp or any other species.But I'd love someone in the limelight to call this all out, not just dodgy bait but everything to do with modern day carp fishing. I know I'm probably dreaming.
In reply to Post #492
Yes mate,..I see what you mean,...I don't think anyone will stand up to be counted, you see I have experienced this myself ,on another emotive subject,a subject that I warned everyone about,..a lot,I never gave up..!
Although....and..
However,one person did stand up to be counted,above the parphet,and this person ,by bringing the carp chronical ,hormone situation to light has done that ,the same person who helped me and , ironically angling as a whole..on the other subject,or at least brought it out into the open..
People should never ever be afraid to tell the truth of a situation,even if inadvertently it somehow goes against them..
Yes mate,..I see what you mean,...I don't think anyone will stand up to be counted, you see I have experienced this myself ,on another emotive subject,a subject that I warned everyone about,..a lot,I never gave up..!
Although....and..
However,one person did stand up to be counted,above the parphet,and this person ,by bringing the carp chronical ,hormone situation to light has done that ,the same person who helped me and , ironically angling as a whole..on the other subject,or at least brought it out into the open..
People should never ever be afraid to tell the truth of a situation,even if inadvertently it somehow goes against them..
Is this the only forum where this topic is being discussed ?? I'm only a member on here so don't know.
It seems strange that the two podcasts were removed from YouTube, when they didn't name anybody, but threads like this one and the one in the bait section which are full of information about the alleged goings on, are still active. If the alleged perpetrators have had the podcasts removed, then surely they would want as much of the information that's out there, removed as well ??
It seems strange that the two podcasts were removed from YouTube, when they didn't name anybody, but threads like this one and the one in the bait section which are full of information about the alleged goings on, are still active. If the alleged perpetrators have had the podcasts removed, then surely they would want as much of the information that's out there, removed as well ??
We could do with a few things happening:
A whistleblower comes out and anonymously puts the information officially on record.
One or more lakes name the substance(s) and ban their use.
Angling trust or another organisation makes a statement clarifying the situation.
The discussions NEED to continue, and eventually someone will put something on record. That's always how these things pan out.
A whistleblower comes out and anonymously puts the information officially on record.
One or more lakes name the substance(s) and ban their use.
Angling trust or another organisation makes a statement clarifying the situation.
The discussions NEED to continue, and eventually someone will put something on record. That's always how these things pan out.
Can someone please point me in the direction of the ian Russel podcast as for some reason I can't get the link to work. Cheers
In reply to Post #496
I think Mr Russell's message is so much more powerful than anything else said:
He's stayed quiet and doesn't enter matches anymore
He is one of the best match type anglers around
He thinks they are currently unwinable
He goes about his angling, without the need to get into a load of bll****
I think Mr Russell's message is so much more powerful than anything else said:
He's stayed quiet and doesn't enter matches anymore
He is one of the best match type anglers around
He thinks they are currently unwinable
He goes about his angling, without the need to get into a load of bll****
What I find so sad in this sorry mess is the absolute silence from the carp fishing industry, tackle companies, bait firms, fishery managers... The whole lot of you need to hang your heads in shame, you more than anybody know what's going on.
Here is an issue that could have far reaching negative effect on the industry but not one prepared to step out and show some leadership, spineless the lot of them.
Here is an issue that could have far reaching negative effect on the industry but not one prepared to step out and show some leadership, spineless the lot of them.
In reply to Post #499
maker has just been on B1. 3x 40s 6 x 30s and a gazillion 20s. just saying.
maker has just been on B1. 3x 40s 6 x 30s and a gazillion 20s. just saying.
In reply to Post #499
It wouldn't surprise me one bit that Mr Fairbrass will pipe up about this and no doubt condemn any such usages of hormones and be a leading figure in getting this out of fishing. I don't know him personally, but from what I've seen of him, he comes across as genuine in respect of fish care and fisheries as a whole.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit that Mr Fairbrass will pipe up about this and no doubt condemn any such usages of hormones and be a leading figure in getting this out of fishing. I don't know him personally, but from what I've seen of him, he comes across as genuine in respect of fish care and fisheries as a whole.
In reply to Post #501
I think that's a good shout actually. He appears to have the kind of drive and determination that will be necessary too, health allowing of course.
I think that's a good shout actually. He appears to have the kind of drive and determination that will be necessary too, health allowing of course.
In reply to Post #502
1OO %
1OO %
In reply to Post #503
I know my own individual actions are quite limited in effect, but I have recently unliked/unfollowed a number of high profile anglers from all my social media accounts and I will be much more critical/skeptical when it comes to choosing bait in the future. Not sure what else any lay person can do, but I feel like I've done something.
I know my own individual actions are quite limited in effect, but I have recently unliked/unfollowed a number of high profile anglers from all my social media accounts and I will be much more critical/skeptical when it comes to choosing bait in the future. Not sure what else any lay person can do, but I feel like I've done something.
In reply to Post #500
It's on the linear Facebook page, comments disabled. https://www.facebook.com/806081532748504/posts/4630423223647630/?d=n
It's on the linear Facebook page, comments disabled. https://www.facebook.com/806081532748504/posts/4630423223647630/?d=n
In reply to Post #502
. . .could be a good business move on his part . . .destroy the reps of the competition and bring out a new hormone free, safe as houses, feel free to use in ridiculous quantities, killer bait . . .Krab & Bludverm? . . .
. . .could be a good business move on his part . . .destroy the reps of the competition and bring out a new hormone free, safe as houses, feel free to use in ridiculous quantities, killer bait . . .Krab & Bludverm? . . .
In reply to Post #483
Yes, go and fish for something else
I've just come back from a 24hr Barbel session on the tidal Trent. £80 for the year, 1.5 miles of river and I had nearly a mile to myself. It's only ever busy at the start of the season, and by busy I mean there's a guy 100 yards to the side of you...
I'm struggling to even bring myself to get back into the circus of Carp fishing these days.
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Yes, go and fish for something else
I've just come back from a 24hr Barbel session on the tidal Trent. £80 for the year, 1.5 miles of river and I had nearly a mile to myself. It's only ever busy at the start of the season, and by busy I mean there's a guy 100 yards to the side of you...
I'm struggling to even bring myself to get back into the circus of Carp fishing these days.
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In reply to Post #507
That looks stunning
That looks stunning
In reply to Post #507
I've got a S****horpe ticket for just the same thing.
I've got a S****horpe ticket for just the same thing.
In reply to Post #507
love that . . .
Barbel are also fast becoming my new passion . . .on a small (15 members) Warks Avon syndy . . .rarely if ever see another soul . . .
love that . . .
Barbel are also fast becoming my new passion . . .on a small (15 members) Warks Avon syndy . . .rarely if ever see another soul . . .
In reply to Post #506
The Kormone 🤣
The Kormone 🤣
In reply to Post #505
Lol. S4its getting real, real fast
Lol. S4its getting real, real fast
In reply to Post #500
There's no doubt about his ability as a carp catcher he is machine like in his effort. I just hope there is nothing to taint his catches.
There's no doubt about his ability as a carp catcher he is machine like in his effort. I just hope there is nothing to taint his catches.
In reply to Post #499
My sentiments exactly, Bob
The carp industry should be shouting at the top of their voices, BUT, the silence is deafening
Why ? Because they either choose not to believe it, OR know the extensive repercussions that will follow, drastically affecting their businesses, as a result of this going on public record.
This whole issue leaves a bad taste in my mouth
My sentiments exactly, Bob
The carp industry should be shouting at the top of their voices, BUT, the silence is deafening
Why ? Because they either choose not to believe it, OR know the extensive repercussions that will follow, drastically affecting their businesses, as a result of this going on public record.
This whole issue leaves a bad taste in my mouth
In reply to Post #501
I may not agree with the Korda marketing model, advertorials and the Hamidi years, but I do agree with you about Danny Fairbrass. (I did like his getting his backside out into shops himself, his determination to sell his leads).
The Embryo fisheries, an attempt to protect fishing from otter predation, maybe he does need to go hand in hand and show our lovely RSPCA what has happened with numbers of otters being above carrying level.
If he spoke out against any use of hormones I am certain the angling market from manufacturers to anglers would sit up and take notice and clean up its act.
I may not agree with the Korda marketing model, advertorials and the Hamidi years, but I do agree with you about Danny Fairbrass. (I did like his getting his backside out into shops himself, his determination to sell his leads).
The Embryo fisheries, an attempt to protect fishing from otter predation, maybe he does need to go hand in hand and show our lovely RSPCA what has happened with numbers of otters being above carrying level.
If he spoke out against any use of hormones I am certain the angling market from manufacturers to anglers would sit up and take notice and clean up its act.
In reply to Post #515
Simple really, send Danny/Korda an email telling them your booked onto Gigantica and ask if it's ok to lace your bait with hormone once you arrive.
Post up your reply
Simple really, send Danny/Korda an email telling them your booked onto Gigantica and ask if it's ok to lace your bait with hormone once you arrive.
Post up your reply
In reply to Post #475
Your waters are a rarity Keith, every credit.
Your waters are a rarity Keith, every credit.
In reply to Post #515
You'd like to think so wouldn't you. Same with Rob Hughes, but he's told everyone to forget it, hasn't he ??
You'd like to think so wouldn't you. Same with Rob Hughes, but he's told everyone to forget it, hasn't he ??
In reply to Post #515
What if a Korda sponsored angler is using it 😉
What if a Korda sponsored angler is using it 😉
In reply to Post #516
I very much doubt it would be printable in the British press.
I very much doubt it would be printable in the British press.
Makes you wonder what would happen if Carpworld was still in existence. Editorial maybe, letters page?
Let's not forget the role of fisheries here. How many have been lost by clubs, remodelled to make money. New fisheries dug and developed all the time all on the same principles. Swims packed in, grossly overstocked, 100 fish to the acre is not unusual. Drive to your swim, chalets and lodges. Competing for the number of 30,s, 40,s and 50s they can offer. Many so called syndicates are no better.
There are lots of people who catch carp, very few carp anglers with fewer and fewer carp waters to fish.
Lake 5-10 acres, 1 round, 1long Island, 5 ft deep, no weed, no snags, drive to swim, drive to shops, toilet etc. Pay £30 for 24 hours hire of a swim the size of a tennis court. Barbecue, booze, drugs, music. Every numpty catches. Sound familiar. And it's not just small commercials is it?
Money, money, money
There are lots of people who catch carp, very few carp anglers with fewer and fewer carp waters to fish.
Lake 5-10 acres, 1 round, 1long Island, 5 ft deep, no weed, no snags, drive to swim, drive to shops, toilet etc. Pay £30 for 24 hours hire of a swim the size of a tennis court. Barbecue, booze, drugs, music. Every numpty catches. Sound familiar. And it's not just small commercials is it?
Money, money, money
In reply to Post #522
Waters like that around here,im just glad I don't fish them and never will.If that is all that was on offer I would give up and go sea fishing
Waters like that around here,im just glad I don't fish them and never will.If that is all that was on offer I would give up and go sea fishing
In reply to Post #522
100% agree..
100% agree..
In reply to Post #522
Here's the thing: in all what you wrote, there's a silver lining to that dark cloud of yours. The places you sketch out, to my mind are asylums, where all the crazies go packed in like sardines to have their fun...well away from places that I fish, and thank Christ for them.
Be thankful of your Berners Hall's, ya Brasenose's, Wraysbury's et al of this world 👍
Here's the thing: in all what you wrote, there's a silver lining to that dark cloud of yours. The places you sketch out, to my mind are asylums, where all the crazies go packed in like sardines to have their fun...well away from places that I fish, and thank Christ for them.
Be thankful of your Berners Hall's, ya Brasenose's, Wraysbury's et al of this world 👍
I had a lake to myself recently, and a guy i know called me asking if anyone was on. It was just me, all on my own, he said he might be up later.
Later on he called me to say he had gone to the other lake down the road, after he found out there was A swim free. A swim. Literally one swim free, so he chose to jump in there. The stocks are similar. But he chose the lake with one swim free, rather than the lake with one swim taken.
I was absolutely speechless. Either he absolutely hates me. Or people have a completely different view of an enjoyable session than me.
Later on he called me to say he had gone to the other lake down the road, after he found out there was A swim free. A swim. Literally one swim free, so he chose to jump in there. The stocks are similar. But he chose the lake with one swim free, rather than the lake with one swim taken.
I was absolutely speechless. Either he absolutely hates me. Or people have a completely different view of an enjoyable session than me.
In reply to Post #526
I was the only bloke on a 100+ acre pit this weekend, lully 👍
I was the only bloke on a 100+ acre pit this weekend, lully 👍
In reply to Post #526
Herd mentality, like 80% of them that go to the football week in week out, don't know any different so just keep going for years on end its just how it is
Herd mentality, like 80% of them that go to the football week in week out, don't know any different so just keep going for years on end its just how it is
Catch 22. Bit like people dislike bait boats but can't argue it's invaluable to elderly or less able people to enjoy fishing.
Well you'd be hard pressed to negotiate a 100 acre pit if you were an 80 year old stroke victim or had no legs.
****ting in a bucket is also an acquired taste some never develop
Plus, if you fish an empty lake who is going to see the ridgemonkey sticker on your non ridgemonkey bucket
Well you'd be hard pressed to negotiate a 100 acre pit if you were an 80 year old stroke victim or had no legs.
****ting in a bucket is also an acquired taste some never develop
Plus, if you fish an empty lake who is going to see the ridgemonkey sticker on your non ridgemonkey bucket
Like many I feel so strongly about this
I'm sorry but watching that original Nash podcast interview given by one of the anglers was like watching another Prince Andrew car crash interview, I'm not sure what he expected from it.
Knowing what I know there's only a number of substances that have the ability to cause that reaction in fish he alluded to and described on the Nash Podcast Interview! His body language and demeanour spoke volumes. If what he was describing was 100% legit don't you think the bait companies would be selling it by the bucket load publicising it and making a fortune out of it?
I'm sorry but in my eyes those anglers have lost all credibility especially with the way they have reacted to the situation. Blaming the Carp Chronicles Podcast when they hadn't named any names. The only naming that's been done has been themselves with the joint statements. A statement that looked like it had been written by a 5 year old and raised more questions than it does answers. For them to state they have taken legal advice and having the audacity to threaten legal action for any criticism they receive when the statement was far from professionally written is just laughable.
Hats off to the Carp Chronicles podcast for their professionalism and raising awareness about all this and putting their heads above the parapet when much of the industry so far has remained shamefully silent. There was nothing wrong with any of the content they published, in fact I'd like to see the podcast put back up and if they get threatened and bullied with legal action again I suggest we all get behind the Carp Chronicles Podcast and set up a gofundme page to support them.
I'm sorry but watching that original Nash podcast interview given by one of the anglers was like watching another Prince Andrew car crash interview, I'm not sure what he expected from it.
Knowing what I know there's only a number of substances that have the ability to cause that reaction in fish he alluded to and described on the Nash Podcast Interview! His body language and demeanour spoke volumes. If what he was describing was 100% legit don't you think the bait companies would be selling it by the bucket load publicising it and making a fortune out of it?
I'm sorry but in my eyes those anglers have lost all credibility especially with the way they have reacted to the situation. Blaming the Carp Chronicles Podcast when they hadn't named any names. The only naming that's been done has been themselves with the joint statements. A statement that looked like it had been written by a 5 year old and raised more questions than it does answers. For them to state they have taken legal advice and having the audacity to threaten legal action for any criticism they receive when the statement was far from professionally written is just laughable.
Hats off to the Carp Chronicles podcast for their professionalism and raising awareness about all this and putting their heads above the parapet when much of the industry so far has remained shamefully silent. There was nothing wrong with any of the content they published, in fact I'd like to see the podcast put back up and if they get threatened and bullied with legal action again I suggest we all get behind the Carp Chronicles Podcast and set up a gofundme page to support them.
I'd like to know why the angling industry isn't speaking out against anglers using unlicensed use of substances, allegedly pheromones and appear to be turning a blind eye to it?
Which leads me to think that this is widely being used by many high profile anglers and becoming a major problem within the industry!
If companies continue to bury their heads in the sand and continue to sponsor anglers who use these substances they are in effect condoning their use.
At the very least companies should publicly state which side of the fence they sit on so us anglers can make an informed choice on whether to continue to support their brand or boycott them as the case may be!
Is worrying that alleged rumours of the England Team Members using them have been circulating, it seems legal action has been threatened over anyone discussing this but no mention of an official independent investigation over their possible use, taking place?
Where is the Anglng Trust on this and what do they have to say, seeing as they appoint Carp Team England?
It is in anglings best interests that an independent investigation does take place as it allegedly involves anglers that are representing the country. Sweeping all this under the carpet is just unprofessional, shameful and irresponsible.
Maybe companies such as Fox, Avid, ESP, CC Moore, Mainline, Sticky Baits and DNA Baits would like to make a public statement on where they stand over alleged rumours linking anglers they sponsor to using suspicious substances?
Which leads me to think that this is widely being used by many high profile anglers and becoming a major problem within the industry!
If companies continue to bury their heads in the sand and continue to sponsor anglers who use these substances they are in effect condoning their use.
At the very least companies should publicly state which side of the fence they sit on so us anglers can make an informed choice on whether to continue to support their brand or boycott them as the case may be!
Is worrying that alleged rumours of the England Team Members using them have been circulating, it seems legal action has been threatened over anyone discussing this but no mention of an official independent investigation over their possible use, taking place?
Where is the Anglng Trust on this and what do they have to say, seeing as they appoint Carp Team England?
It is in anglings best interests that an independent investigation does take place as it allegedly involves anglers that are representing the country. Sweeping all this under the carpet is just unprofessional, shameful and irresponsible.
Maybe companies such as Fox, Avid, ESP, CC Moore, Mainline, Sticky Baits and DNA Baits would like to make a public statement on where they stand over alleged rumours linking anglers they sponsor to using suspicious substances?
In reply to Post #531
Well said
Get ready for the big cover up
It's out there, been used, cheating to enhance catches, end of story. Case closed
Well said
Get ready for the big cover up
It's out there, been used, cheating to enhance catches, end of story. Case closed
In reply to Post #530
Well said
Well said
In reply to Post #529
"****ting in a bucket is also an acquired taste some never develop"
Bit posh ain't ya, a bucket? Say what? Sounds all a bit too middle class to me
Sainsbury's bag mate 👍 Always get asked on a Friday "why so many bags sir" when I'm asking for extra bags at the checkout, me: "oh, for fishing" if only she knew...hunched over a bag having a turn out later that night
"****ting in a bucket is also an acquired taste some never develop"
Bit posh ain't ya, a bucket? Say what? Sounds all a bit too middle class to me
Sainsbury's bag mate 👍 Always get asked on a Friday "why so many bags sir" when I'm asking for extra bags at the checkout, me: "oh, for fishing" if only she knew...hunched over a bag having a turn out later that night
In reply to Post #532
Brilliant post.
The angling trust need support, so surely it is a mixture of your ideas. They should make a statement to say they will investigate it but need support. A go fund me page and a proper plan to properly look into the issue. Surely with money and inertia behind them they could look not at the water and anglers but at the supply chain. This stuff isn't easy to get, and there will be a chain of custody for a prescribed drug. I honest believe that it wouldn't take a central body too long to track any ‘suspicious' supply.
It's a shame carpworld has gone as im sure they wouldn't have been able to ignore it.
As for the Pod cast WHY are they not asking Hassan and Nash be brought to account? Why can the counties top supplier and multinational company discuss and yet Steve White can't?
Why Is Said angler not threatening legal action against Hassan personally?
Mental health is very important and I fully understand that people's families and livelihoods could be impacted however, it needs investigating and clearing up now. We squeal about otters, pollution and such but IF true this is fishing eating itself from the inside out.
Image the media if hunters were drugging foxes to attract them to a certain area to be chased and torn to bits? This could go nuclear if it's not dealt with by within angling and highlighting any possible dangers
Brilliant post.
The angling trust need support, so surely it is a mixture of your ideas. They should make a statement to say they will investigate it but need support. A go fund me page and a proper plan to properly look into the issue. Surely with money and inertia behind them they could look not at the water and anglers but at the supply chain. This stuff isn't easy to get, and there will be a chain of custody for a prescribed drug. I honest believe that it wouldn't take a central body too long to track any ‘suspicious' supply.
It's a shame carpworld has gone as im sure they wouldn't have been able to ignore it.
As for the Pod cast WHY are they not asking Hassan and Nash be brought to account? Why can the counties top supplier and multinational company discuss and yet Steve White can't?
Why Is Said angler not threatening legal action against Hassan personally?
Mental health is very important and I fully understand that people's families and livelihoods could be impacted however, it needs investigating and clearing up now. We squeal about otters, pollution and such but IF true this is fishing eating itself from the inside out.
Image the media if hunters were drugging foxes to attract them to a certain area to be chased and torn to bits? This could go nuclear if it's not dealt with by within angling and highlighting any possible dangers
In reply to Post #531
They all know what has been going on and they also know the gravy train will be coming to an end if it comes to light that hormones sprinkled on top of bait negates the need for ay of their fandago rigs and pap they peddle and mesmerise people with.
Starting to see the true colours of some of these apparent "legends" and "superstars" of this "hobby". Not a ****ing proper word from any of them....weak individuals.
Just look at the Ian Russell podcast FFs - doesn't get much more obvious than that.
Also i don't buy into that people are some sort of magicians and catch wherever they go...total balls, you can teach a monkey to carp fish nowadays. Everything is on a plate. Biggest edge in carp fishing nowadays (behind cattle hormones) is sat in a tent 5 days a week on the bank....nothing else. NH recent podcast summed it up, everywhere is rammed, one in, one out...even on the continent.
Is total ***** all of it and "legends" have now been caught with their pants down and back peddling. Matey turned up and had 3 x 40's and 9 x 30's in half an hour..............it all means **** all anymore.
They all know what has been going on and they also know the gravy train will be coming to an end if it comes to light that hormones sprinkled on top of bait negates the need for ay of their fandago rigs and pap they peddle and mesmerise people with.
Starting to see the true colours of some of these apparent "legends" and "superstars" of this "hobby". Not a ****ing proper word from any of them....weak individuals.
Just look at the Ian Russell podcast FFs - doesn't get much more obvious than that.
Also i don't buy into that people are some sort of magicians and catch wherever they go...total balls, you can teach a monkey to carp fish nowadays. Everything is on a plate. Biggest edge in carp fishing nowadays (behind cattle hormones) is sat in a tent 5 days a week on the bank....nothing else. NH recent podcast summed it up, everywhere is rammed, one in, one out...even on the continent.
Is total ***** all of it and "legends" have now been caught with their pants down and back peddling. Matey turned up and had 3 x 40's and 9 x 30's in half an hour..............it all means **** all anymore.
In reply to Post #517
Cheers Dan, your spot on there mate from what I'm hearing, witnessing and reading on threads like this. And it's all because of one thing – they are run strictly on a none profit basis, purely for the love of the sport.
~ I presume from what I've read these Hormones trick all species into thinking its spawning time?
If so it would be very easy to spot if someone was using them on a water that has Pike/Cats stocked – they would be fighting like hell with each other, especially male Cats.
Cheers Dan, your spot on there mate from what I'm hearing, witnessing and reading on threads like this. And it's all because of one thing – they are run strictly on a none profit basis, purely for the love of the sport.
~ I presume from what I've read these Hormones trick all species into thinking its spawning time?
If so it would be very easy to spot if someone was using them on a water that has Pike/Cats stocked – they would be fighting like hell with each other, especially male Cats.
In reply to Post #531
Could the Angling Trust raise the matter with the Environment Agency, since the latter are charged with avoiding pollution and have greater powers for investigation?
Could the Angling Trust raise the matter with the Environment Agency, since the latter are charged with avoiding pollution and have greater powers for investigation?
In reply to Post #538
Let's face it nothing is happening any further. Disgusting. Makes me want to pack it in if indeed it does get swept under carpet.
Let's face it nothing is happening any further. Disgusting. Makes me want to pack it in if indeed it does get swept under carpet.
Perhaps if everybody with a concern was to actually contact the Angling Trust then something might happen
Plenty of contact emails here, I would suggest the general ‘admin' or fisheries enforcement contact for your area..
https://anglingtrust.net/contact-us/
It's up to all of us to stop this being brushed aside.
Plenty of contact emails here, I would suggest the general ‘admin' or fisheries enforcement contact for your area..
https://anglingtrust.net/contact-us/
It's up to all of us to stop this being brushed aside.
In reply to Post #536
Amen. Listened to the NH podcast again the other day. A lot of what he said was bang on.
Amen. Listened to the NH podcast again the other day. A lot of what he said was bang on.
In reply to Post #530
One thing I would really like to know is who has put the pressure on Sam and Pete to pull the two podcasts down? I listened to both and they did not name anyone who may be involved in this, so why are these frank discussions hidden from view now? Only Sam and Pete will know this, and Stephen of course. And what have they been threatened with if they chose not to remove the podcast?
Personally, I remain unconvinced that Kev Hewitt has done anything wrong, I do 100% believe he has discovered something that outperforms anything else being used by a massive amount, but until it is proven otherwise I do believe that what he has discovered is legit and quite rightly he should keep it to himself. If you listen to the whole podcast it becomes pretty clear that he has had an extraordinary ability to catch numbers of carp in a session for a long time, and some of the match scenario's described confirm this unquestionably. Some will say that maybe he has been using something 'dodgy' for a long time then, and you may be right, I do just hope not.. Btw, I don't know or have ever met him..
Saying all that, I remained adamant that Lance Armstrong was clean for years until I heard through another pro what the deal really was and the sadness I felt was indescribable..
One thing I would really like to know is who has put the pressure on Sam and Pete to pull the two podcasts down? I listened to both and they did not name anyone who may be involved in this, so why are these frank discussions hidden from view now? Only Sam and Pete will know this, and Stephen of course. And what have they been threatened with if they chose not to remove the podcast?
Personally, I remain unconvinced that Kev Hewitt has done anything wrong, I do 100% believe he has discovered something that outperforms anything else being used by a massive amount, but until it is proven otherwise I do believe that what he has discovered is legit and quite rightly he should keep it to himself. If you listen to the whole podcast it becomes pretty clear that he has had an extraordinary ability to catch numbers of carp in a session for a long time, and some of the match scenario's described confirm this unquestionably. Some will say that maybe he has been using something 'dodgy' for a long time then, and you may be right, I do just hope not.. Btw, I don't know or have ever met him..
Saying all that, I remained adamant that Lance Armstrong was clean for years until I heard through another pro what the deal really was and the sadness I felt was indescribable..
In reply to Post #540
Just sent an email
Just sent an email
In reply to Post #542
Is it a coincidence that two of the names used to fish matches together and empty places.Is it coincidence that another angler who catches more than others goes out with an other anglers sister.It could all just be a massive coincidence I suppose 🤔
Is it a coincidence that two of the names used to fish matches together and empty places.Is it coincidence that another angler who catches more than others goes out with an other anglers sister.It could all just be a massive coincidence I suppose 🤔
What is the name of this stuff? No legal reason not to name it. As long as no accusations are made naming individuals or organisations there are no grounds for libel, defamation or slander.
Is this stuff freely and legally available?
Is it harmful to humans or other animals?
Are we talking about a chemical or compound that is harmful to fish and the aquatic environment?
Does this stuff stimulate a powerful feeding response through a physiological response as with drugs, without the sensory stuff like smell, colour, taste, or texture.
Why in this case does stimulating a powerful spawning urge help with feeding response? In my experience just before and during spawning carp feed very little if at all and the more turned on they get, the less they feed.
If there are people out there with the answer to these and other questions there is no legal reason not answer them.
Let's stop the gossip and whispers and have a few facts.
Is this stuff freely and legally available?
Is it harmful to humans or other animals?
Are we talking about a chemical or compound that is harmful to fish and the aquatic environment?
Does this stuff stimulate a powerful feeding response through a physiological response as with drugs, without the sensory stuff like smell, colour, taste, or texture.
Why in this case does stimulating a powerful spawning urge help with feeding response? In my experience just before and during spawning carp feed very little if at all and the more turned on they get, the less they feed.
If there are people out there with the answer to these and other questions there is no legal reason not answer them.
Let's stop the gossip and whispers and have a few facts.
In reply to Post #545
Have a back look through this thread and the hormone thread in the bait section its named in both from memory.
One has a link to a scientific paper which fully explains how it works.
Have a back look through this thread and the hormone thread in the bait section its named in both from memory.
One has a link to a scientific paper which fully explains how it works.
In reply to Post #545
Lutalyse allegedly
Lutalyse allegedly
In reply to Post #547
Well it can come in various branded form. I believe the actual substance is PGF2A .
Well it can come in various branded form. I believe the actual substance is PGF2A .
In reply to Post #544
Still not enough to prove anything except they are best mates, if I had a serious edge (and believe me I've been trying seriously hard to find one!) I would share with my 2 best mates, as I do give them my hookbaits etc now..
Still not enough to prove anything except they are best mates, if I had a serious edge (and believe me I've been trying seriously hard to find one!) I would share with my 2 best mates, as I do give them my hookbaits etc now..
In reply to Post #550
Having read that document It seems its actually the 'scent' given off by the host fish that has been implanted with the PGF2A, and that even heavily diluted this remains attractive. So I don't think they are just pumping this drug in to lakes. Is it possible if it is happening someone has sacrificial fish that's implanted in this way and the output is then harvested?
Having read that document It seems its actually the 'scent' given off by the host fish that has been implanted with the PGF2A, and that even heavily diluted this remains attractive. So I don't think they are just pumping this drug in to lakes. Is it possible if it is happening someone has sacrificial fish that's implanted in this way and the output is then harvested?
In reply to Post #549
An interesting read. At the end of the paper it reports that the implants are much less effective (one tenth) outside a spawning period.
An interesting read. At the end of the paper it reports that the implants are much less effective (one tenth) outside a spawning period.
In reply to Post #551
I think you're getting ahead of yourself. This document just describes the use of it as a fish attractant in the US (over 10 years ago) and gives a bit of background detail. The general idea of pheromones has been around for 20 years. It was always a matter of time until someone decided it would be a good idea to use it in bait as an attractor.
The scary bit is the other uses of this stuff, for inducing birth or even abortion in horses and cattle.
I think you're getting ahead of yourself. This document just describes the use of it as a fish attractant in the US (over 10 years ago) and gives a bit of background detail. The general idea of pheromones has been around for 20 years. It was always a matter of time until someone decided it would be a good idea to use it in bait as an attractor.
The scary bit is the other uses of this stuff, for inducing birth or even abortion in horses and cattle.
In reply to Post #551
From all the different sources (podcasts, published docs, faceache etc) it sounded as it was just added to a carrier substance (soil was quoted in one instance) and spombed into the swim. As it fell through the water Colum you would get sufficient dispersal.
From all the different sources (podcasts, published docs, faceache etc) it sounded as it was just added to a carrier substance (soil was quoted in one instance) and spombed into the swim. As it fell through the water Colum you would get sufficient dispersal.
In reply to Post #552
That would still be a 100% more effective then it not being in the water at all
That would still be a 100% more effective then it not being in the water at all
In reply to Post #555
Sort of Spod homeopathy?
Sort of Spod homeopathy?
In reply to Post #556
Of a fashion.
Just think about it... if there was zero of it in the lake and you added 100ml, its still 100% more then was in the lake to begin with if regardless of if its 90% effective or 10% effective
Of a fashion.
Just think about it... if there was zero of it in the lake and you added 100ml, its still 100% more then was in the lake to begin with if regardless of if its 90% effective or 10% effective
In reply to Post #542
That end couple of lines sums it up for me.... the silence is deafening at the moment... only time will tell if that wall comes down and this is just the tip of the iceberg..... or not! All i know is ive got 3 rods out... wind blowing through my hair and not a hormone or pheromone in sight.... i hope! Lol
That end couple of lines sums it up for me.... the silence is deafening at the moment... only time will tell if that wall comes down and this is just the tip of the iceberg..... or not! All i know is ive got 3 rods out... wind blowing through my hair and not a hormone or pheromone in sight.... i hope! Lol
Works better in shallow water as well.
UPLOADED in 2010
So which is it as I've seen various people just in this thread stating what they think it is when the truth is no one other than those if using it.
The main difference between hormones and pheromones is that hormones act inside the body, changing the functions and behavior of the animal whereas pheromones act on another animal of the same species by changing the behavior.
I would say Pheromones but then it could be Unicorn piss 50/50 with Irn-Bru on a low simmer for all I know as with all the other semi professional virgins posting their thoughts.
So which is it as I've seen various people just in this thread stating what they think it is when the truth is no one other than those if using it.
The main difference between hormones and pheromones is that hormones act inside the body, changing the functions and behavior of the animal whereas pheromones act on another animal of the same species by changing the behavior.
I would say Pheromones but then it could be Unicorn piss 50/50 with Irn-Bru on a low simmer for all I know as with all the other semi professional virgins posting their thoughts.
In reply to Post #557
You are quite right my friend. Excuse my silly joke. By “effective” the authors were referring to their goal of gathering carp together for removal. An angler might have different thoughts about what is “effective”.
You are quite right my friend. Excuse my silly joke. By “effective” the authors were referring to their goal of gathering carp together for removal. An angler might have different thoughts about what is “effective”.
Well, for what's it's worth, I've emailed Danny Fairbrass. Worth a punt; let's see what comes of it.
In reply to Post #543
Nice one mate, me too
Nice one mate, me too
I don't know if anyone has even considered this, here goes...
Say you're an unscrupulous type that wanted to rob up someone's fishery? Add a drop of juice, you know? All in all, this is one massive mess on reflection.
Say you're an unscrupulous type that wanted to rob up someone's fishery? Add a drop of juice, you know? All in all, this is one massive mess on reflection.
In reply to Post #563
It needs doing mate,the more people that ask the more chance they will have to take notice.I hope that will be the case anyway
It needs doing mate,the more people that ask the more chance they will have to take notice.I hope that will be the case anyway
In reply to Post #562
Nice one,I hope he replies
Nice one,I hope he replies
In reply to Post #564
Even worse - if someone used it in a Drinking Water supply reservoir, and it got picked up in the regular checks!
Does not even bear thinking about what the reaction would be from the authorities.
Even worse - if someone used it in a Drinking Water supply reservoir, and it got picked up in the regular checks!
Does not even bear thinking about what the reaction would be from the authorities.
In reply to Post #558
Not been scratching your nuts then?
Not been scratching your nuts then?
In reply to Post #567
Plenty of oestrogen messing up our river systems for them to need to worry about animal hormones.
Also why is everyone so focussed on a cattle hormone when the fish equivalent is much more accessible to purchase??
Plenty of oestrogen messing up our river systems for them to need to worry about animal hormones.
Also why is everyone so focussed on a cattle hormone when the fish equivalent is much more accessible to purchase??
In reply to Post #568
Not this trip ive had man flu so wasnt in the mood lol
Not this trip ive had man flu so wasnt in the mood lol
In reply to Post #570
Use your left hand, it's like someone else is doing it. Makes it worth the effort
Use your left hand, it's like someone else is doing it. Makes it worth the effort
In reply to Post #558
wind blowing through my hair and not a hormone or pheromone in sight.
Who you trying to kid? We've all seen your barnet. I reckon there's plenty of dodgy products been rubbed into that over the years.
wind blowing through my hair and not a hormone or pheromone in sight.
Who you trying to kid? We've all seen your barnet. I reckon there's plenty of dodgy products been rubbed into that over the years.
In reply to Post #573
Au natural....pmsl
Au natural....pmsl
I've sent an email to the EA. At that level I don't think they care about fisheries but I cannot find a contact for a fisheries officer.
In reply to Post #576
Doubt anyone with any evidence will be willing to speak to authorities considering they won't speak to carp anglers about the truth.
At best the EA can put the pollution crime unit on it. Not sure where you emailed but I'd say the incident hotline would be the place to report it to. But then unless anglers are caught red handed using the stuff it won't go anywhere. Same as illegally moving carp around.
Doubt anyone with any evidence will be willing to speak to authorities considering they won't speak to carp anglers about the truth.
At best the EA can put the pollution crime unit on it. Not sure where you emailed but I'd say the incident hotline would be the place to report it to. But then unless anglers are caught red handed using the stuff it won't go anywhere. Same as illegally moving carp around.
In reply to Post #577
Two page spread in the Anglers mail this week.... All pretty inconclusive tbh .... No big (cough) name prepared to go on record with any evidence or finger pointing...All a bit of a white wash....
Two page spread in the Anglers mail this week.... All pretty inconclusive tbh .... No big (cough) name prepared to go on record with any evidence or finger pointing...All a bit of a white wash....
In reply to Post #578
Just the same in the Angling Times.
Just the same in the Angling Times.
Anglers Mail closed over a year ago, must be the Angling Times.
In reply to Post #579
And on here, a lot of posts gone missing.
I guess there must be a mod on HRT and didn't find it funny, which one though
And on here, a lot of posts gone missing.
I guess there must be a mod on HRT and didn't find it funny, which one though
In reply to Post #582
I saw that.
For me that is the reaction of an innocent man. Happy to make fun of the accusation.
The legal BS threatened by others raises questions imo.
I saw that.
For me that is the reaction of an innocent man. Happy to make fun of the accusation.
The legal BS threatened by others raises questions imo.
You'd have to have deep pockets to hormone the Orient!
In reply to Post #583
My thoughts exactly.
My thoughts exactly.
In reply to Post #583
Nail on the head Ian! That's exactly how you would expect someone to react when they have nothing to hide. But then he's a great angler... Not an illusion.
If I was TM I would be getting as far away from these other blokes as is possible. This will leave a stain indefinitely whatever happens from here on in.
Battyberg 😂
Nail on the head Ian! That's exactly how you would expect someone to react when they have nothing to hide. But then he's a great angler... Not an illusion.
If I was TM I would be getting as far away from these other blokes as is possible. This will leave a stain indefinitely whatever happens from here on in.
Battyberg 😂
In reply to Post #582
That has got to be one of the best complements you could ever have....
If there is a substance that anglers have been accused of using that is as good as reported on this thread and throughout social media, and you haven't been using this product but your angling has been so good that people are convinced your cheating.
Well done Pecky
That has got to be one of the best complements you could ever have....
If there is a substance that anglers have been accused of using that is as good as reported on this thread and throughout social media, and you haven't been using this product but your angling has been so good that people are convinced your cheating.
Well done Pecky
In reply to Post #582
Best way to react to things like this. Laugh it of and throw it back at em.. Getting all defensive and throwing threats about is not the way to make things go away..
Anyway,didnt no Peckys name was in the frame. But I suppose anyone who has above average results is going to have an accusing finger pointed in there direction at some point over this..
Best way to react to things like this. Laugh it of and throw it back at em.. Getting all defensive and throwing threats about is not the way to make things go away..
Anyway,didnt no Peckys name was in the frame. But I suppose anyone who has above average results is going to have an accusing finger pointed in there direction at some point over this..
In reply to Post #583
That's the trouble, opened up a whole can of worms, cheating ****s
Cracking photo though that
I would be aware of multiple catches
That's the trouble, opened up a whole can of worms, cheating ****s
Cracking photo though that
I would be aware of multiple catches
In reply to Post #588
I think some peeps have missed the joke here with Darrell. Battenberg posts a lot of tongue in cheek stuff... I don't think for 1 second he was serious here!
I think some peeps have missed the joke here with Darrell. Battenberg posts a lot of tongue in cheek stuff... I don't think for 1 second he was serious here!
In reply to Post #582
And just like that i think darrel peck is a top bloke!
And just like that i think darrel peck is a top bloke!
In reply to Post #590
Some of the Battenburg emails are absolutely brilliant. I don't know how true it is but I was told that some of the manufacturers had sent him solicitors letters telling him to stop, which I'm pretty sure he just ignores
Good on Darrell, far too many people take carp fishing and themselves WAY too seriously. The joint statement that was released, presumably written by one of their kids was an embarrassing PR disaster.
To paraphrase Mr Shakespeare “they doth protest too much? we thinks”
Some of the Battenburg emails are absolutely brilliant. I don't know how true it is but I was told that some of the manufacturers had sent him solicitors letters telling him to stop, which I'm pretty sure he just ignores
Good on Darrell, far too many people take carp fishing and themselves WAY too seriously. The joint statement that was released, presumably written by one of their kids was an embarrassing PR disaster.
To paraphrase Mr Shakespeare “they doth protest too much? we thinks”
In reply to Post #592
Indeed the Sharpie ones are hilarious!!
He received a six figure payout from one manufacturer sniff sniff 😉
Indeed the Sharpie ones are hilarious!!
He received a six figure payout from one manufacturer sniff sniff 😉
In reply to Post #592
What's the battenberg thing all about? Saw it in his post but didn't get it 😂
What's the battenberg thing all about? Saw it in his post but didn't get it 😂
In reply to Post #594
Ben Battenburg Serial internetTroll apparently.
Ben Battenburg Serial internetTroll apparently.
In reply to Post #595
I think its all tongue and cheek, people taking it the wrong way. He I just a joker 🃏 😜
I think its all tongue and cheek, people taking it the wrong way. He I just a joker 🃏 😜
In reply to Post #572
I'm a bit lost, has Kevin Hewitt removed his ‘legal warning' and if so does that mean the podcasts and discussions can continue?
After all the hurt and fuss and the mental health struggles this has caused I can't think why you would remove this post? Surely getting the subject spoken about not just clears any misunderstandings but also raises the profile of potential issues that seem to have merit given the feedback of some noted anglers?
Is this going to be an end to all talk of it? Do the major sponsors not need to make statements to protect their hard won reputations and restore faith in their products?
I'm a bit lost, has Kevin Hewitt removed his ‘legal warning' and if so does that mean the podcasts and discussions can continue?
After all the hurt and fuss and the mental health struggles this has caused I can't think why you would remove this post? Surely getting the subject spoken about not just clears any misunderstandings but also raises the profile of potential issues that seem to have merit given the feedback of some noted anglers?
Is this going to be an end to all talk of it? Do the major sponsors not need to make statements to protect their hard won reputations and restore faith in their products?
In reply to Post #597
Please rearrange the following words into a well known phrase.....
''Under swept carpet''
Normal service resumed.
Please rearrange the following words into a well known phrase.....
''Under swept carpet''
Normal service resumed.
In reply to Post #598
Crete lakes match won, top weight and biggest fish. Almost unbelievable.
Crete lakes match won, top weight and biggest fish. Almost unbelievable.
In reply to Post #599
are you suggesting Rob Burgess won the match by means of foul play?
are you suggesting Rob Burgess won the match by means of foul play?
In reply to Post #597
Do the major sponsors not need to make statements to protect their hard won reputations and restore faith in their products?
Since they have not, proves that they CHOOSE to believe that this whole issue is just down to " jealousy towards certain individuals, by internet trolls ", and nothing else.
Feels like carp anglers, in general, have been deeply, royally shafted after dropping the soap in the shower, and expected to say thank you, after, , without even knowing/realising that they´ve been violated
Unfortunately, the issue at hand, has a very short "shelflife", and those concerned, are patiently waiting for the fuse to fizzle out ... it´s a dud,
Do the major sponsors not need to make statements to protect their hard won reputations and restore faith in their products?
Since they have not, proves that they CHOOSE to believe that this whole issue is just down to " jealousy towards certain individuals, by internet trolls ", and nothing else.
Feels like carp anglers, in general, have been deeply, royally shafted after dropping the soap in the shower, and expected to say thank you, after, , without even knowing/realising that they´ve been violated
Unfortunately, the issue at hand, has a very short "shelflife", and those concerned, are patiently waiting for the fuse to fizzle out ... it´s a dud,
In reply to Post #601
i bet no ones recieved court papers relating to libel proceedings as threatened !!
i bet no ones recieved court papers relating to libel proceedings as threatened !!
In reply to Post #601
Just seen a certain someone is having it off in Oxfordshire with 3 40's and a shed load more and there seems to be a lot of deleted comments on sticky's post about it lol so seems they don't care too much as long as said Angler is still hauling
Just seen a certain someone is having it off in Oxfordshire with 3 40's and a shed load more and there seems to be a lot of deleted comments on sticky's post about it lol so seems they don't care too much as long as said Angler is still hauling
In reply to Post #603
Someone had a mega session at Trent View recently. not one comment about using anything untoward. Not a "name".
Looks like people only care to accuse of the people that financially gain from carping. At least make it consistent.
Someone had a mega session at Trent View recently. not one comment about using anything untoward. Not a "name".
Looks like people only care to accuse of the people that financially gain from carping. At least make it consistent.
In reply to Post #604
Does seem after a little hiatus they are all back. I've fished some of these waters with these guys, 10 years ago catch results were comparable to mine. Dont think I've slipped back, nor do I think they have improved to a point where the catches can be explained.
Does seem after a little hiatus they are all back. I've fished some of these waters with these guys, 10 years ago catch results were comparable to mine. Dont think I've slipped back, nor do I think they have improved to a point where the catches can be explained.
In reply to Post #603
Sticky baits not bothered about the use of illicit substances .... Well that's whole new can of worms 😂
Sticky baits not bothered about the use of illicit substances .... Well that's whole new can of worms 😂
In reply to Post #603
Far too late now. The damage is now done so expect the comments
And if that is a genuine catch the response is very very sad indeed but totally expected
A lot or people's credibility and achievements will be questioned now for a very long time thanks to a few idiots
Saying that, if you just go about your business it's not a problem at all
Far too late now. The damage is now done so expect the comments
And if that is a genuine catch the response is very very sad indeed but totally expected
A lot or people's credibility and achievements will be questioned now for a very long time thanks to a few idiots
Saying that, if you just go about your business it's not a problem at all
In reply to Post #606
Mmmm... An interesting business model.
Mmmm... An interesting business model.
In reply to Post #606
Well that's Sticky off my list of baits I will use, saying nothing is paramount to denial its happening, who's next, I can see a lot of bait companies going on my "will not touch with a barge pole" list.
Well that's Sticky off my list of baits I will use, saying nothing is paramount to denial its happening, who's next, I can see a lot of bait companies going on my "will not touch with a barge pole" list.
In reply to Post #609
If you're waiting for them to bring statements out then you may be back on the Spam.
If you're waiting for them to bring statements out then you may be back on the Spam.
In reply to Post #604
I didn't accuse anyone, just stated that one of the rumoured users of this substance has had a great session and the bait company he uses are deleting comments off the report about his results, so my post was more about the bait company rather than the angler
I didn't accuse anyone, just stated that one of the rumoured users of this substance has had a great session and the bait company he uses are deleting comments off the report about his results, so my post was more about the bait company rather than the angler
Did steve renyard recently leave sticky baits shortly after an instagram post where it looked like he was having a pop at people using hormones, or has that not got anything to do with it
Apologies if it has nothing at all to do with it?
Apologies if it has nothing at all to do with it?
In reply to Post #611
Several people I know have had better than normal results recently, none are sponsored or doing anything untoward, it's been unusually mild here of late, fish feeding up before the big freeze? Who knows but I wouldn't expect any bait company to punish an angler without proof, innocent till proven otherwise.
Several people I know have had better than normal results recently, none are sponsored or doing anything untoward, it's been unusually mild here of late, fish feeding up before the big freeze? Who knows but I wouldn't expect any bait company to punish an angler without proof, innocent till proven otherwise.
In reply to Post #611
Yes I know. I was commenting about those same people leaving the comments on sticky and other pages but only for these “names”
Yes I know. I was commenting about those same people leaving the comments on sticky and other pages but only for these “names”
In reply to Post #613
I was more just saying that they are obviously deleting comments to protect themselves and the angler from bad press, but they've not (to my knowledge) released a statement of support to the angler saying its not true, which I would have expected, more they just hoping the whole thing just goes away.
I was more just saying that they are obviously deleting comments to protect themselves and the angler from bad press, but they've not (to my knowledge) released a statement of support to the angler saying its not true, which I would have expected, more they just hoping the whole thing just goes away.
In reply to Post #614
Oh OK sorry for the misunderstanding 👍🏻
Oh OK sorry for the misunderstanding 👍🏻
In reply to Post #615
Thing is they don't fish with them and watch over them 24/7, very difficult situation for any sponsor, defend them and get tarred with the same.
Thing is they don't fish with them and watch over them 24/7, very difficult situation for any sponsor, defend them and get tarred with the same.
In reply to Post #600
He is a good fisherman...
I saw him at Farlows, it was fishing really badly and he seriously could only get one rod out as he was getting so many takes.. Amazing!
He is a good fisherman...
I saw him at Farlows, it was fishing really badly and he seriously could only get one rod out as he was getting so many takes.. Amazing!
In reply to Post #617
I just think that it's an amazing collaboration between the bait companies,a group of friends and teammates using different edges all having similar results.
This liquid that isn't associated with fishing, can't be bought in a tackle shop, but can be bought direct by the trade from a bait company, is obviously different to an edge that other bait companies have which their sponsored anglers are using.
It's like one of those riddles
I am a liquid
I am not associated with fishing
I can't be bought in a fishing shop
I am available via a bait company
But not from all bait companies
I would not be picked from a list of 30 everyday things
I work best in shallow water
What am I ?
I'll go first,
Are you a cinnamon swirl, Tesco value range?
I just think that it's an amazing collaboration between the bait companies,a group of friends and teammates using different edges all having similar results.
This liquid that isn't associated with fishing, can't be bought in a tackle shop, but can be bought direct by the trade from a bait company, is obviously different to an edge that other bait companies have which their sponsored anglers are using.
It's like one of those riddles
I am a liquid
I am not associated with fishing
I can't be bought in a fishing shop
I am available via a bait company
But not from all bait companies
I would not be picked from a list of 30 everyday things
I work best in shallow water
What am I ?
I'll go first,
Are you a cinnamon swirl, Tesco value range?
In reply to Post #619
Ohhhhhh.... Brussel sprout juice.... Thats defo not in my top 30....... Ever
Ohhhhhh.... Brussel sprout juice.... Thats defo not in my top 30....... Ever
In reply to Post #620
Ohhhhhh.... Brussel sprout juice.... Thats defo not in my top 30....... Ever
Please can you delete this post to stop people experimenting.
This is a joint statement between me and my mate, prepared by my lawyer. I have not and would not ever use Brussels sprouts juice. Please remove all references of this by 7pm and issue an apology to stop further legal action. Vegetables in aquaculture can be very dangerous and posts like this will have people exploring radishes, cabbage and even asparagus. The only clue I am prepared to give, is you are looking in the wrong aisle. Enjoy your fishing
Ohhhhhh.... Brussel sprout juice.... Thats defo not in my top 30....... Ever
Please can you delete this post to stop people experimenting.
This is a joint statement between me and my mate, prepared by my lawyer. I have not and would not ever use Brussels sprouts juice. Please remove all references of this by 7pm and issue an apology to stop further legal action. Vegetables in aquaculture can be very dangerous and posts like this will have people exploring radishes, cabbage and even asparagus. The only clue I am prepared to give, is you are looking in the wrong aisle. Enjoy your fishing
In reply to Post #619
not sure its available from a bait company lol
not sure its available from a bait company lol
In reply to Post #619
Breakdown:
I am not associated with fishing
I can't be bought in a fishing shop
I am available via a bait company
But not from all bait companies
So it's from agriculture or from the human food chain.
Only a select few bait companies can buy it in; this will be down to supply. It needs to be bought in bulk to make it cost effective or simply its a Cat A/B/C product which means you need a license to buy it in and store on site which not every bait company will be able to obtain.
I am a liquid
I work best in shallow water
Working well in shallow water would suggest it needs to dissipate/spread in the water column/area to work best. So it's something that needs water movement to be effective. Sounds like an oil possibly. Apparently said liquid has been witnessed at bluebell to be orange.
Breakdown:
I am not associated with fishing
I can't be bought in a fishing shop
I am available via a bait company
But not from all bait companies
So it's from agriculture or from the human food chain.
Only a select few bait companies can buy it in; this will be down to supply. It needs to be bought in bulk to make it cost effective or simply its a Cat A/B/C product which means you need a license to buy it in and store on site which not every bait company will be able to obtain.
I am a liquid
I work best in shallow water
Working well in shallow water would suggest it needs to dissipate/spread in the water column/area to work best. So it's something that needs water movement to be effective. Sounds like an oil possibly. Apparently said liquid has been witnessed at bluebell to be orange.
In reply to Post #623
It is the new orange bloodworms... Ordinary bloodworms that get blood sucked out and are then injected with pure orange juice... It is time consuming work that is why that liquid is so rear.
It is the new orange bloodworms... Ordinary bloodworms that get blood sucked out and are then injected with pure orange juice... It is time consuming work that is why that liquid is so rear.
In reply to Post #623
you boys are actually starting to believe its not PGF2A!? Come on.....
you boys are actually starting to believe its not PGF2A!? Come on.....
In reply to Post #625
im sure, those that are using it, have hoped, eventually this would all die down and be forgotten. Which, by the looks of it, is happening.
Partly, Id guess, at not being able to prove who is using it as theres no test, it doesnt smell or taste so near impossible to detect.
Once its all forgotten, there continue to use and abuse it. Perhaps, more shrewdly.
im sure, those that are using it, have hoped, eventually this would all die down and be forgotten. Which, by the looks of it, is happening.
Partly, Id guess, at not being able to prove who is using it as theres no test, it doesnt smell or taste so near impossible to detect.
Once its all forgotten, there continue to use and abuse it. Perhaps, more shrewdly.
In reply to Post #623
Apparently said liquid has been witnessed at bluebell to be orange.
I knew it was Irn Bru all along.....
Apparently said liquid has been witnessed at bluebell to be orange.
I knew it was Irn Bru all along.....
In reply to Post #625
PGFA2 it could well be. I'd assume it's CPE though.
PGFA2 it could well be. I'd assume it's CPE though.
In reply to Post #628
Never heard of CPE whats that then
Never heard of CPE whats that then
In reply to Post #629
Carp pituitary extract. Basically crushed up pituitary glands of carp. It's what is used in the aquaculture industry for artificial spawning.
Not sure why everyone jumped to cow and horse hormones tbh when there's some closer to home.
Carp pituitary extract. Basically crushed up pituitary glands of carp. It's what is used in the aquaculture industry for artificial spawning.
Not sure why everyone jumped to cow and horse hormones tbh when there's some closer to home.
In reply to Post #630
still gives same result at the end of the day, and morally wrong. does it not need to be injected into the fish though?
still gives same result at the end of the day, and morally wrong. does it not need to be injected into the fish though?
In reply to Post #631
Injected the same as pgf2a is in to horses and cows. Hasn't stopped people saying pgf2a is being used though.
Injected the same as pgf2a is in to horses and cows. Hasn't stopped people saying pgf2a is being used though.
In reply to Post #632
thats true.
thats true.
In reply to Post #630
Because it's something not used in aquaculture by all accounts which is why people are looking at cattle products and not aquaculture ones
Because it's something not used in aquaculture by all accounts which is why people are looking at cattle products and not aquaculture ones
In reply to Post #634
Was that referenced or was it not used in the fishing industry?
Was that referenced or was it not used in the fishing industry?
In reply to Post #635
Didn't hear the original podcast which kicked it all off myself but I'm sure it was stated that it's nothing to do with the aquatic industry rather than in angling.
Didn't hear the original podcast which kicked it all off myself but I'm sure it was stated that it's nothing to do with the aquatic industry rather than in angling.
In reply to Post #636
In the nash podcast he says not associated with fishing and not on sale in the fishing market. Not sure about the aquaculture thing but I didn't get a chance to listen to the full CC podcast.
In the nash podcast he says not associated with fishing and not on sale in the fishing market. Not sure about the aquaculture thing but I didn't get a chance to listen to the full CC podcast.
In reply to Post #621
sad news is 5% of carp anglers give a f, the rest just carry on being fed *****
sad news is 5% of carp anglers give a f, the rest just carry on being fed *****
In reply to Post #636
I thought that the statement released by those who had been using it said it wasn't from the angling world but from aquaculture, which unfortunately means they did not deny it was hormones, I wish they had as people will be looking now.
Trouble is I don't believe anything that's being said anymore... I've lost all respect for both bait and tackle companies and as for fishery owners, they just don't care, someone catching loads of fish is good for business, if it all goes belly up they can easily buy more carp....disgusting
I thought that the statement released by those who had been using it said it wasn't from the angling world but from aquaculture, which unfortunately means they did not deny it was hormones, I wish they had as people will be looking now.
Trouble is I don't believe anything that's being said anymore... I've lost all respect for both bait and tackle companies and as for fishery owners, they just don't care, someone catching loads of fish is good for business, if it all goes belly up they can easily buy more carp....disgusting
In reply to Post #637
In the carp chronicles podcast, they made it pretty clear that they were NOT implicating Kevin Hewitt.
In the carp chronicles podcast, they made it pretty clear that they were NOT implicating Kevin Hewitt.
In reply to Post #640
The conversation was about what KH said in the podcast. Just have a little read down the page.
The conversation was about what KH said in the podcast. Just have a little read down the page.
In reply to Post #626
That's the one
The good news is people don't forget and they will continue to ridicule their catches, credibility zero, damage done, cheating ****s
That's the one
The good news is people don't forget and they will continue to ridicule their catches, credibility zero, damage done, cheating ****s
In reply to Post #639
I guess you could technically say CPE isn't a hormone. It's the gland that produces hormones.
I guess you could technically say CPE isn't a hormone. It's the gland that produces hormones.
In reply to Post #641
I know but throughout this thread the two things keep getting conflated. The CC podcast had proper substantial evidence of people using hormones, evidence from fishery owners etc. The Kev Hewitt podcast seems to be quite unfortunate in that the way he's made his edge out to be secret, implicates him, but I would personally forget about Kev Hewitt and follow the CC route because the guy on there said he had actually spoken to people who used the stuff.
I know but throughout this thread the two things keep getting conflated. The CC podcast had proper substantial evidence of people using hormones, evidence from fishery owners etc. The Kev Hewitt podcast seems to be quite unfortunate in that the way he's made his edge out to be secret, implicates him, but I would personally forget about Kev Hewitt and follow the CC route because the guy on there said he had actually spoken to people who used the stuff.
I dont think for a second what Kev spoke about in the Nash podcast was any kind of illicit substance. I dont think he would be that stupid to have said what he said, I think it was just very unfortunate timing of him saying it.
I would say what he said it absolutely dissapointing for anyone that follows anglers like him though. People spend money buying the exact bait and rigs they use, and for him to go and say that he has secret edges that he uses is pretty disgusting tbh.
If you want to keep your fishing a secret that's fine, we all do, that's why we don't put ourselves out in the public eye, we don't go around telling people lies about the way you fish, and tell people to buy this and that , how any of his followers still follow him after that is beyond me. I would be seriously pissed off if I had been following his advice only to find out it wasn't the whole truth.
I would say what he said it absolutely dissapointing for anyone that follows anglers like him though. People spend money buying the exact bait and rigs they use, and for him to go and say that he has secret edges that he uses is pretty disgusting tbh.
If you want to keep your fishing a secret that's fine, we all do, that's why we don't put ourselves out in the public eye, we don't go around telling people lies about the way you fish, and tell people to buy this and that , how any of his followers still follow him after that is beyond me. I would be seriously pissed off if I had been following his advice only to find out it wasn't the whole truth.
In reply to Post #645
I dont think that's fair. We all have "edges". I'm quite open with my fishing but I never give everything away. Lets face it you cant expect to catch more than others if you're telling them exactly what you're up to. And for someone that makes a living from fishing, catching more than others is important. I doubt any of the "top anglers" give away all their secrets in the public domain.
I dont think that's fair. We all have "edges". I'm quite open with my fishing but I never give everything away. Lets face it you cant expect to catch more than others if you're telling them exactly what you're up to. And for someone that makes a living from fishing, catching more than others is important. I doubt any of the "top anglers" give away all their secrets in the public domain.
In reply to Post #646
I agree, Yonny. But if I was suffering stress, anguish and mental health problems due to having a secret edge I'd be spilling the beans.
I agree, Yonny. But if I was suffering stress, anguish and mental health problems due to having a secret edge I'd be spilling the beans.
In reply to Post #645
If people follow known anglers and emulate their supposed tactics, then more fool them.
If people follow known anglers and emulate their supposed tactics, then more fool them.
In reply to Post #645
Bless you Sam for thinking that some of these bait companies have any honest morals whatsoever. 😂
I'll share a little story with you... It involves the bloke who is now head media honcho at the very bait company who sponsors Kev. Jimmy he goes by. He contacted me seven years ago, when our business had not long started... But was doing incredible results from the start. He wanted some free hook baits... Told me he was going to France with Ali Hamidi etc to make a Korda video. He said he would love to take our hook baits after clubbing so many fish in the UK on them... And would get them on the Korda video. Fair enough I thought... So I sent him a load of coated S1 & S2 barrels for free. There was three of them fishing.. Ali and the other fella caught two I think... Jimmy caught 18 on our S1, something like that...
At the end of the video... Ali asks Jimmy why he's had this result... Jimmy holds up a handful of our S1 barrels to camera.. And proceeds to tell Ali how it's the special hook baits HE MAKES. Goes onto comment how HE cures them.. And HE hard coats them HIMSELF. What a hero.
I learnt very quickly what scummy dishonest little rats most of these blokes are. They would sell their own granny for a few strips of boilie stops. That video is still online somewhere for all to see.
The saddest part of that story... Is it's not unique.., I have tonnes of similar stories involving the BIGGEST carp in the land. I dread to think exactly how much bait has been sold to you lot dishonestly off the back of us... When the bait companies know exactly what the fish were actually caught on. They don't care... And actually encourage it!
One of our anglers who rips everywhere to bits with them... Was offered £5k a year... A free Dinton gold card and all the bait he could use earlier this year... To STOP saying he'd caught them on our hook baits.... John earns good money, he's a top floor layer, he has morals and is a proper bloke.... He told them to poke the consultancy and free bait he was already on and moved to a different company who would allow him to be honest....John will always get WHATEVER he needs from us until the day he does not want our hook baits... Others never had his morals... But that's all stories for another day 😂
Bless you Sam for thinking that some of these bait companies have any honest morals whatsoever. 😂
I'll share a little story with you... It involves the bloke who is now head media honcho at the very bait company who sponsors Kev. Jimmy he goes by. He contacted me seven years ago, when our business had not long started... But was doing incredible results from the start. He wanted some free hook baits... Told me he was going to France with Ali Hamidi etc to make a Korda video. He said he would love to take our hook baits after clubbing so many fish in the UK on them... And would get them on the Korda video. Fair enough I thought... So I sent him a load of coated S1 & S2 barrels for free. There was three of them fishing.. Ali and the other fella caught two I think... Jimmy caught 18 on our S1, something like that...
At the end of the video... Ali asks Jimmy why he's had this result... Jimmy holds up a handful of our S1 barrels to camera.. And proceeds to tell Ali how it's the special hook baits HE MAKES. Goes onto comment how HE cures them.. And HE hard coats them HIMSELF. What a hero.
I learnt very quickly what scummy dishonest little rats most of these blokes are. They would sell their own granny for a few strips of boilie stops. That video is still online somewhere for all to see.
The saddest part of that story... Is it's not unique.., I have tonnes of similar stories involving the BIGGEST carp in the land. I dread to think exactly how much bait has been sold to you lot dishonestly off the back of us... When the bait companies know exactly what the fish were actually caught on. They don't care... And actually encourage it!
One of our anglers who rips everywhere to bits with them... Was offered £5k a year... A free Dinton gold card and all the bait he could use earlier this year... To STOP saying he'd caught them on our hook baits.... John earns good money, he's a top floor layer, he has morals and is a proper bloke.... He told them to poke the consultancy and free bait he was already on and moved to a different company who would allow him to be honest....John will always get WHATEVER he needs from us until the day he does not want our hook baits... Others never had his morals... But that's all stories for another day 😂
In reply to Post #649
Shysters everywhere
Shysters everywhere
In reply to Post #649
he has morals and is a proper bloke
Nuff said, close the thread
It really is a sad place where carpfishing is right now, all he's fame seekers milking it for their own gains, look at me, sad ****ing carp angler
It all started to go wrong once companies knew they could make a killing from it, the advertisement campaigns that started to saturate the good stories in carp magazines, the video promotion era, the falsified image that carpin is cool and the desperate need for fame, roll it forward 15 or 20 years and look where we are now ffs what a ****ing joke
he has morals and is a proper bloke
Nuff said, close the thread
It really is a sad place where carpfishing is right now, all he's fame seekers milking it for their own gains, look at me, sad ****ing carp angler
It all started to go wrong once companies knew they could make a killing from it, the advertisement campaigns that started to saturate the good stories in carp magazines, the video promotion era, the falsified image that carpin is cool and the desperate need for fame, roll it forward 15 or 20 years and look where we are now ffs what a ****ing joke
In reply to Post #651
Social media is awash with wannabes, the other day I saw someone who was delighted to be made a consultant of a lead company 😂
Social media is awash with wannabes, the other day I saw someone who was delighted to be made a consultant of a lead company 😂
In reply to Post #650
I have only ever had dealings with one bait company, when I was younger I put a few pics in that carp mag that was weekly, as the geez seemed a ok bloke, big mistake half my fish were on tigers but thay suddenly were on his f in bait, happens all the time , lies lies and more lies.
I have only ever had dealings with one bait company, when I was younger I put a few pics in that carp mag that was weekly, as the geez seemed a ok bloke, big mistake half my fish were on tigers but thay suddenly were on his f in bait, happens all the time , lies lies and more lies.
Too many precious people in the bait side of Carp angling these days, sponsored anglers scared to tell the truth, bait companies putting pressure on anglers to name drop their bait in return for a few £'s less per kilo, wannabe's who are so desperate to get a "bait deal" they lie through their teeth and the media darlings who literally don't give a toss as long as they are catching and their free bait keeps coming.
In reply to Post #648
We're talking about young kids here though. Being fed bull**** by fully grown men.
I certainly wouldn't be pleased if I was a young impressionable youth who had bought all the crap he says he uses, and then he went and said how he has other edges he doesn't tell people about.
If he wants to keep his fishing private, stop making money by telling people how he's fishing lol.
We're talking about young kids here though. Being fed bull**** by fully grown men.
I certainly wouldn't be pleased if I was a young impressionable youth who had bought all the crap he says he uses, and then he went and said how he has other edges he doesn't tell people about.
If he wants to keep his fishing private, stop making money by telling people how he's fishing lol.
In reply to Post #655
Thing is it happens in all walks of life
Thing is it happens in all walks of life
In reply to Post #656
Doesn't make it right though does it. The reason it carries on happening is because people don't call it out.
Doesn't make it right though does it. The reason it carries on happening is because people don't call it out.
In reply to Post #657
I never said it was right, but it happens in all walks if life, everywhere you look, people promoting the apparent next best thing
I never said it was right, but it happens in all walks if life, everywhere you look, people promoting the apparent next best thing
In reply to Post #658
There are companies out there who have morals and do things properly. They are a minority but they do exist. Those who lie or sell their soul always get found out in the end!
There are companies out there who have morals and do things properly. They are a minority but they do exist. Those who lie or sell their soul always get found out in the end!
In reply to Post #659
Very true, and good to know
Very true, and good to know
In reply to Post #655
bit like Rednap and them Sketchers adverts ..........
bit like Rednap and them Sketchers adverts ..........
In reply to Post #659
The same also goes for some anglers Gav. It's funny how these anglers and companies tend to be drawn together😂😂
The same also goes for some anglers Gav. It's funny how these anglers and companies tend to be drawn together😂😂
In reply to Post #649
Many have known the industry is full of fluffers and liars for years, yet if you had said the same five-ten years ago, you would have been accused of being "jealous" by people who don't work in the industry, never have, and claim they are billy big spuds because they got picked along with 50 others to be a "brand ambassador" or whatever nonsense these companies come out with for promotion.
A mate once told me to "follow the money" and someone else said "question everything". It puts you in good stead for life, and thankfully kept me out of an industry which has got worse through greed. People often ask when the bubble will burst? Well, it burst over a decade ago. People just keep filling the bottle up though hoping the bubbles will be bigger next time. Same end result.
Many have known the industry is full of fluffers and liars for years, yet if you had said the same five-ten years ago, you would have been accused of being "jealous" by people who don't work in the industry, never have, and claim they are billy big spuds because they got picked along with 50 others to be a "brand ambassador" or whatever nonsense these companies come out with for promotion.
A mate once told me to "follow the money" and someone else said "question everything". It puts you in good stead for life, and thankfully kept me out of an industry which has got worse through greed. People often ask when the bubble will burst? Well, it burst over a decade ago. People just keep filling the bottle up though hoping the bubbles will be bigger next time. Same end result.
In reply to Post #662
The way I see the angling world is this. You can take note of what social media shows you, occasionally it will direct you to a good product or a good story. Also some or the best anglers in the U.K. are on social media and it's the only way you will ever get an insight to what they do. I always like to see what Lee petty is up to, or James salmons or any of the dozens of brilliant anglers out there who just go fishing! Sure, it's full of helmets who would sell there own gran for a pot of pop ups but isn't that the same in society in general? We only see the glory don't we, never the blanks or cock ups. We love to shoot people down or disregard a capture for whatever reason. Social media is full of people I can't stand but I just flick past them or don't follow them and my life is so much better without negativity. The stroke pullers, time bandits, glory hunters of this world are probably happy doing what they do so let them crack on! If it comes to light that they have been pumping hormones into lakes then they will labelled forever. I have spent my angling life going wherever I want, paid for by my job, having a family that matters more than carp, but more importantly....I have loved every minute of it. I'm on the bank now and I'm loving it to the max even though the carp are playing hard ball. Don't drown in a sea of negativity, don't copy everyone, just fish with your mates and on your own terms and be honest with yourself! If you are any good at it, someone will spot you and that free tin of pop ups will find its way to you!! Don't forget to post the pics up 🕺🏼😂
The way I see the angling world is this. You can take note of what social media shows you, occasionally it will direct you to a good product or a good story. Also some or the best anglers in the U.K. are on social media and it's the only way you will ever get an insight to what they do. I always like to see what Lee petty is up to, or James salmons or any of the dozens of brilliant anglers out there who just go fishing! Sure, it's full of helmets who would sell there own gran for a pot of pop ups but isn't that the same in society in general? We only see the glory don't we, never the blanks or cock ups. We love to shoot people down or disregard a capture for whatever reason. Social media is full of people I can't stand but I just flick past them or don't follow them and my life is so much better without negativity. The stroke pullers, time bandits, glory hunters of this world are probably happy doing what they do so let them crack on! If it comes to light that they have been pumping hormones into lakes then they will labelled forever. I have spent my angling life going wherever I want, paid for by my job, having a family that matters more than carp, but more importantly....I have loved every minute of it. I'm on the bank now and I'm loving it to the max even though the carp are playing hard ball. Don't drown in a sea of negativity, don't copy everyone, just fish with your mates and on your own terms and be honest with yourself! If you are any good at it, someone will spot you and that free tin of pop ups will find its way to you!! Don't forget to post the pics up 🕺🏼😂
In reply to Post #664
Great use of the word helmet 🪖 ⛑ 😂😂
Great use of the word helmet 🪖 ⛑ 😂😂
New Fox video,tag line is catch when nobody else is!The secret is worms
In reply to Post #666
The best bait out there on lots of lakes.
The best bait out there on lots of lakes.
In reply to Post #663
Nail on the head mate. ‘Fluffers'... Great word to describe some carp anglers these days. Bit of fluffing going on in this very thread. Fluffers 😂
Nail on the head mate. ‘Fluffers'... Great word to describe some carp anglers these days. Bit of fluffing going on in this very thread. Fluffers 😂
In reply to Post #664
We don't have ‘team members'... We have never needed them. Anglers buy our products, for one reason, because they work. We have never been in carp angling, to drum up business from saps. We have never had that need. If that need ever arises, I'll give up the game in a heartbeat.
There are only three anglers in the last ten years whom have ever had anything they want or need from us for free. One is John Cash, top floor layer... Dinton top rod... Working family man. Another is Ricci Connolly, Wingham top rod, owns a million pound plus business, working family man. The other was Micky Gray, postie, working family man.
If you are smart/clever, you will see a pattern there...
I could have had a Terry Hearn corkball on sale for an amount of money a year a few years back... I turned it down. Not because I could not afford it. Because we have always tried to do things on results, and nothing else whatsoever.
There are only three anglers in the last ten years whom have ever had anything they want or need from us for free. One is John Cash, top floor layer... Dinton top rod... Working family man. Another is Ricci Connolly, Wingham top rod, owns a million pound plus business, working family man. The other was Micky Gray, postie, working family man.
If you are smart/clever, you will see a pattern there...
I could have had a Terry Hearn corkball on sale for an amount of money a year a few years back... I turned it down. Not because I could not afford it. Because we have always tried to do things on results, and nothing else whatsoever.
In reply to Post #670
Thay all have bottle blond hair, could b wrong
Thay all have bottle blond hair, could b wrong
In reply to Post #670
Rare species, carp anglers that aren't social media whors.
Rare species, carp anglers that aren't social media whors.
In reply to Post #670
In reply to Post #665
It's my favourite term right now 😂😂
It's my favourite term right now 😂😂
In reply to Post #665
A Helmet. No doubt containing a knob head .
A Helmet. No doubt containing a knob head .
Some of these anglers are so desperate for success and be a “name” it is clear they will do anything. Makes me smile when they talk about their hobby being there job and how jealous people are.
I'm not and never have been jealous! In fact far from it.
Fishing is my escape from reality and work and I would hate it to become something I had to do.
So to all you “names” you craic on making your videos and plugging your tackle and whoring your hobby.
I'll just go fishing and love my time on the bank.
I'm not and never have been jealous! In fact far from it.
Fishing is my escape from reality and work and I would hate it to become something I had to do.
So to all you “names” you craic on making your videos and plugging your tackle and whoring your hobby.
I'll just go fishing and love my time on the bank.
In reply to Post #676
Anyone who is envious of somebody who sleeps in a tent 4 nights a week, sh*ts in a bucket and scrapes £25k a year by relentlessly chatting b**locks on the internet is welcome to it as far as I'm concerned.
Anyone who is envious of somebody who sleeps in a tent 4 nights a week, sh*ts in a bucket and scrapes £25k a year by relentlessly chatting b**locks on the internet is welcome to it as far as I'm concerned.
In reply to Post #676
In reply to Post #677
Succinct & spot on 😂
Succinct & spot on 😂
In reply to Post #677
100% bang on.
100% bang on.
In reply to Post #677
If you think that these blokes earn anywhere near that amount you are very much mistaken.
It has always been a massive misconception among carp anglers about how much these blokes earn trust me. They earn FA.
TH & a few others earn okay, no where near what you'd think. The rest, FA seriously. I have more money on a horse running in the Hennessy next weekend than most of these blokes get a year. Full timers who live on the breadline in reality. Free kit yes... Lots of wonga no.
It's all an illusion. Poor kids on the internet think they are going to earn a fortune... They could not be more wrong.
If you think that these blokes earn anywhere near that amount you are very much mistaken.
It has always been a massive misconception among carp anglers about how much these blokes earn trust me. They earn FA.
TH & a few others earn okay, no where near what you'd think. The rest, FA seriously. I have more money on a horse running in the Hennessy next weekend than most of these blokes get a year. Full timers who live on the breadline in reality. Free kit yes... Lots of wonga no.
It's all an illusion. Poor kids on the internet think they are going to earn a fortune... They could not be more wrong.
In reply to Post #681
so true...
so true...
In reply to Post #681
I thought they drove around in G reg Vauxhall Astras because it was Carpy 😂
I thought they drove around in G reg Vauxhall Astras because it was Carpy 😂
In reply to Post #681
And the horse is..... ?
You're right about the illusion of getting YouTube wealthy. One or two exceptional examples but they're as rare as unicorn poo
And the horse is..... ?
You're right about the illusion of getting YouTube wealthy. One or two exceptional examples but they're as rare as unicorn poo
In reply to Post #681
It's never been lost on me that the ones who earn the serious wedge from the industry aren't the ones daft enough to be out on the banks four nights a week. There's big money to be made in this game, if you're not silly enough to think you'll earn it catching fish.
It's never been lost on me that the ones who earn the serious wedge from the industry aren't the ones daft enough to be out on the banks four nights a week. There's big money to be made in this game, if you're not silly enough to think you'll earn it catching fish.
In reply to Post #685
Do people actually think anglers make lots of money on the bank?
Do people actually think anglers make lots of money on the bank?
In reply to Post #681
Hence the term, bank tramp, that's all 99.9% of them are.
Hence the term, bank tramp, that's all 99.9% of them are.
In reply to Post #686
I don't think anyone is under the impression that you can get paid a decent wage just to fish. The higher profile seem to have titles like ‘media manager' which I guess they get paid a wage for. Add two or three of these ‘jobs' together and I'm guessing you could scrape a living.
I'd rather have a career that means that I'm comfortable financially and can fish without anybody knowing who I am or what I'm doing. Each to their own I guess.
I don't think anyone is under the impression that you can get paid a decent wage just to fish. The higher profile seem to have titles like ‘media manager' which I guess they get paid a wage for. Add two or three of these ‘jobs' together and I'm guessing you could scrape a living.
I'd rather have a career that means that I'm comfortable financially and can fish without anybody knowing who I am or what I'm doing. Each to their own I guess.
In reply to Post #688
Coaching pays a decent wage but there aren't that many doing that !!
Coaching pays a decent wage but there aren't that many doing that !!
In reply to Post #689
Those who can't; teach.
I don't actually merit that phrase when it comes to actual education, but it seems to fit better in this context.
Those who can't; teach.
I don't actually merit that phrase when it comes to actual education, but it seems to fit better in this context.
In reply to Post #688
I agree with a lot of you have said in this thread
I fish for myself
If I want to go I go if I don't want to go I don't go
I buy what bait and tackle I want to use
Aqua NGT Cotswold it's my choice then
And I even put it all in the same bag shock horror lol
Maybe it's not an illegal substance but they have found a decent quality and amount of CBD oil to use.....
Hemp is an attractor so why not
Have you seen how many carpers are hanging around 1 spliff lol
I agree with a lot of you have said in this thread
I fish for myself
If I want to go I go if I don't want to go I don't go
I buy what bait and tackle I want to use
Aqua NGT Cotswold it's my choice then
And I even put it all in the same bag shock horror lol
Maybe it's not an illegal substance but they have found a decent quality and amount of CBD oil to use.....
Hemp is an attractor so why not
Have you seen how many carpers are hanging around 1 spliff lol
In reply to Post #690
As I said not many coaching a few of the most high profile media savvy guys but as you mentioned a pretty grim existence
As I said not many coaching a few of the most high profile media savvy guys but as you mentioned a pretty grim existence
Wandered a bit off topic here IMO, but if you are really interested to know if it is possible to earn a living fishing, the I can tell you that, yes, it is.
In reply to Post #693
Ah....
But you do have to be good though Ken. Or lucky. Or have a bag full of hormone boilies...
Back on thread
Ah....
But you do have to be good though Ken. Or lucky. Or have a bag full of hormone boilies...
Back on thread
In reply to Post #684
Quote... And the horse is?
Fiddlerontheroof, Ladbroke trophy (Hennessy) sat @ Newbury Mal.
I'm on it at 14-1 & 12-1 antepost. It's only 7 or 8-1 now. Better to wait until Saturday morning now, rather than back it today.
Quote... And the horse is?
Fiddlerontheroof, Ladbroke trophy (Hennessy) sat @ Newbury Mal.
I'm on it at 14-1 & 12-1 antepost. It's only 7 or 8-1 now. Better to wait until Saturday morning now, rather than back it today.
In reply to Post #693
I know exactly what the best in the business get Ken...
It maybe possible to scrap a living, I'm sure you done okay out of Haithes... But, please don't imply to people it's a decent living most of these blokes make... Because it's simply not. It's all part of the great carp fishing illusion.
I will bet you fishing did not pay for your home mate, you working hard in a real job for many years did that.
I have a son, if he had wanted to sit on the bank fishing for a living, I would have literally kicked his ass to hell & back. He works for a private paramedic firm, has his air ambulance certification and earns around £67k a year without over time. His current over time is for Netflix on the set of the Witcher. He earns VERY well for that. He could NEVER earn that sort of money by carp fishing... Not a chance.
How did you get on in France?
I know exactly what the best in the business get Ken...
It maybe possible to scrap a living, I'm sure you done okay out of Haithes... But, please don't imply to people it's a decent living most of these blokes make... Because it's simply not. It's all part of the great carp fishing illusion.
I will bet you fishing did not pay for your home mate, you working hard in a real job for many years did that.
I have a son, if he had wanted to sit on the bank fishing for a living, I would have literally kicked his ass to hell & back. He works for a private paramedic firm, has his air ambulance certification and earns around £67k a year without over time. His current over time is for Netflix on the set of the Witcher. He earns VERY well for that. He could NEVER earn that sort of money by carp fishing... Not a chance.
How did you get on in France?
In reply to Post #696
I used to guide for £300/day. Boring as hell but with a tip.id take home 4. As an aside, some of the grouse keepers are buying houses with their tips at the moment.
I used to guide for £300/day. Boring as hell but with a tip.id take home 4. As an aside, some of the grouse keepers are buying houses with their tips at the moment.
In reply to Post #697
But that's not sitting on the bank carp fishing is it? That's a job involved in fishing. And even that, you would not be working everyday being honest would you?
There are very well known blokes in carp fishing, that have never done a days work in their lives. They have full timed it for 20+ years. Carp anglers assume they earn great money... The reality is they get £5-10k a year and were always on benefits. For some of them that money only started in the past few years.
There are only a very few blokes who earn half decent money JUST from sitting on the bank carp fishing. Most of them are on the TV and work for one company, and even they are working in reality too. It's pretty much only TH who can command decent dollar on his name alone.
Books can bring in sensible money. But even that bubble has burst.
But that's not sitting on the bank carp fishing is it? That's a job involved in fishing. And even that, you would not be working everyday being honest would you?
There are very well known blokes in carp fishing, that have never done a days work in their lives. They have full timed it for 20+ years. Carp anglers assume they earn great money... The reality is they get £5-10k a year and were always on benefits. For some of them that money only started in the past few years.
There are only a very few blokes who earn half decent money JUST from sitting on the bank carp fishing. Most of them are on the TV and work for one company, and even they are working in reality too. It's pretty much only TH who can command decent dollar on his name alone.
Books can bring in sensible money. But even that bubble has burst.
In reply to Post #693
Don't make us laugh .
Big difference between earning a living and poncing free pop-up's.
Don't make us laugh .
Big difference between earning a living and poncing free pop-up's.
In reply to Post #698
Look at Ritchie McDonald
He hasn't got a pot to piss in didnt they do a collection or something for him on his Facebook page a couple of years ago?
Frank Warwick said on his Korda podcast he hasn't got a clue what he can do after fishing ends as he hasn't got a pension to back him up.
Living the dream!! Lol
Look at Ritchie McDonald
He hasn't got a pot to piss in didnt they do a collection or something for him on his Facebook page a couple of years ago?
Frank Warwick said on his Korda podcast he hasn't got a clue what he can do after fishing ends as he hasn't got a pension to back him up.
Living the dream!! Lol
In reply to Post #700
Yeah but they've got an album full of fish to get them by 😂
Yeah but they've got an album full of fish to get them by 😂
In reply to Post #701
Not that I disagree lads, but I'd prefer to spend my life doing what I love than working all my life (like I have) and dying with a healthy bank account. Swings and roundabouts innit. All about balance I guess.
Not that I disagree lads, but I'd prefer to spend my life doing what I love than working all my life (like I have) and dying with a healthy bank account. Swings and roundabouts innit. All about balance I guess.
In reply to Post #702
Agreed work life balance is important but dying in abject poverty nah
Agreed work life balance is important but dying in abject poverty nah
In reply to Post #702
Certainly a balance, one night a week and being able to live a comfortable life and look after my family suits me.
Certainly a balance, one night a week and being able to live a comfortable life and look after my family suits me.
Not sure why the only options here seem to be to either sit on the bank for 4 nights a week and be poor. Or get a decent job and work 50 stressful hours a week then do a night at the weekend.
I don't want to do either.
I don't want to do either.
In reply to Post #705
Agreed I get bored after a couple nights when I fish . Couldn't do it full time. Spending time with friends and family much more important. Plus a bit of golf and drinking thrown in. I actually feel sorry for guys that just want to fish every day.
Agreed I get bored after a couple nights when I fish . Couldn't do it full time. Spending time with friends and family much more important. Plus a bit of golf and drinking thrown in. I actually feel sorry for guys that just want to fish every day.
In reply to Post #705
Do people actually work 50hrs a week Geeez
Do people actually work 50hrs a week Geeez
In reply to Post #706
Agreed, apart from a yearly trip to France which is slightly different, anything over 48 hours for me starts to get boring, especially when your mates are texting to say come down the pub. But, I have no issue with those who spend their lives on the bank, it's their choice and everyone is different, it's what makes the world go round I suppose
Agreed, apart from a yearly trip to France which is slightly different, anything over 48 hours for me starts to get boring, especially when your mates are texting to say come down the pub. But, I have no issue with those who spend their lives on the bank, it's their choice and everyone is different, it's what makes the world go round I suppose
In reply to Post #705
I don't think anyone has mentioned a 50 hour week. Or only fishing at the weekend.
I don't think anyone has mentioned a 50 hour week. Or only fishing at the weekend.
In reply to Post #709
Terry Hearn bought his house off his book sales and believe me, it's a small cottage. Worth a few quid now where it is but there isn't the money in sitting on the bank catching carp.
Everyone wants different things and if you could do 300 odd nights a year with no life outside of fishing, no family, no holidays or no lavish things, I suppose you don't need lots of money. Look at Nick Helier, he glamorised his lifestyle, I felt a bit sorry for him.
Personally, I'd rather work my arse off, occasionally going fishing among other pleasures but put a stable foundation in and retire early and go fishing when I want, if I want to.
Terry Hearn bought his house off his book sales and believe me, it's a small cottage. Worth a few quid now where it is but there isn't the money in sitting on the bank catching carp.
Everyone wants different things and if you could do 300 odd nights a year with no life outside of fishing, no family, no holidays or no lavish things, I suppose you don't need lots of money. Look at Nick Helier, he glamorised his lifestyle, I felt a bit sorry for him.
Personally, I'd rather work my arse off, occasionally going fishing among other pleasures but put a stable foundation in and retire early and go fishing when I want, if I want to.
In reply to Post #710
Personally I'd prefer to win the lottery and retire, fish when I want and not have a care in the world.
Personally I'd prefer to win the lottery and retire, fish when I want and not have a care in the world.
In reply to Post #711
It's all about a balance. Dont burn yourself out. If I had a job in angling I know I would get board and skint. I've seen time bandits on a few lakes, it becomes a slog thay get lazy eat **** talk **** and dont catch much
It's all about a balance. Dont burn yourself out. If I had a job in angling I know I would get board and skint. I've seen time bandits on a few lakes, it becomes a slog thay get lazy eat **** talk **** and dont catch much
In reply to Post #712
The days of paying consultants is over I think.
Why pay one man to sit fishing with your products when 20 more lads will just buy your things and promote for free. I can think of a few anglers who were paid in the past and they now find it hard to earn anything from fishing.
I'm happier working all week and fishing at the weekends. And fishing in the winter but working more in summer. I'm pale and hate the sun 😂😂
The days of paying consultants is over I think.
Why pay one man to sit fishing with your products when 20 more lads will just buy your things and promote for free. I can think of a few anglers who were paid in the past and they now find it hard to earn anything from fishing.
I'm happier working all week and fishing at the weekends. And fishing in the winter but working more in summer. I'm pale and hate the sun 😂😂
In reply to Post #713
FFS can we get back to slagging imaginary anglers off for using or not using imaginary or not illegal or not substances 😡
FFS can we get back to slagging imaginary anglers off for using or not using imaginary or not illegal or not substances 😡
In reply to Post #714
Lol
Lol
Its a funny old thing because i always say each to their own but....dont come moaning to me when your selling the big issue with nowhere to life....no savings...no pension... no equity just because you took the easy route and decided to bum on the bank. Marks post is spot on....very very few earn enough from fulltime fishing to have home comforts and a good life away from the bankside...because trust me when the chips have been down going home to family has got me through hard times not an album full of carp but il temper that by reiterating...each to their own.
In reply to Post #710
Fully agree, it's easy to imagine it is all fame and fortune for the chosen ones; though NH has shown it's far from it if you read between the lines, if you can be bothered.
I'm perhaps in the fortunate position of having a job (business) that I love more than my fishing, and it's sometimes a toss up between 2 nights on the banks or pushing ahead with something going on at work, either way I'm fulfilled. Getting there though takes years, hard work and commitment, so a 'job' (read 'just over broke') in fishing make me think why tf would I want that? It's not a job, it's getting whored by those up the food chain that do have jobs and are earning, the anglers are their tools, literally in some cases..
Fully agree, it's easy to imagine it is all fame and fortune for the chosen ones; though NH has shown it's far from it if you read between the lines, if you can be bothered.
I'm perhaps in the fortunate position of having a job (business) that I love more than my fishing, and it's sometimes a toss up between 2 nights on the banks or pushing ahead with something going on at work, either way I'm fulfilled. Getting there though takes years, hard work and commitment, so a 'job' (read 'just over broke') in fishing make me think why tf would I want that? It's not a job, it's getting whored by those up the food chain that do have jobs and are earning, the anglers are their tools, literally in some cases..
In reply to Post #1
Getting slightly back on topic.... I had to laugh when a certain angler, apparently involved in all this debacle, during an advert for upcoming video pronounced (sic) “carp but on steroids” either he was taking the piss or it completely went over his head!! 😉
Getting slightly back on topic.... I had to laugh when a certain angler, apparently involved in all this debacle, during an advert for upcoming video pronounced (sic) “carp but on steroids” either he was taking the piss or it completely went over his head!! 😉
In reply to Post #718
Is that the one where they've done a video on a lake which is virtually a garden pond titled the power of the worms and catching doubles? I've only seen the trailer on Facebook but couldn't help but laugh at this video surfacing after the BCAC win at linear where they reported smashed it using worms has been put into doubt.
Is that the one where they've done a video on a lake which is virtually a garden pond titled the power of the worms and catching doubles? I've only seen the trailer on Facebook but couldn't help but laugh at this video surfacing after the BCAC win at linear where they reported smashed it using worms has been put into doubt.
In reply to Post #719
Had to look it up, apparently set in Croatia going by the flag in the thumbnail
Had to look it up, apparently set in Croatia going by the flag in the thumbnail
In reply to Post #720
At least the fish are used to "substance" there
At least the fish are used to "substance" there
In reply to Post #716
because trust me when the chips have been down going home to family has got me through hard times not an album full of carp but il temper that by reiterating...each to their own.
Sanity at last, it's about pleasure and enjoyment for me but everything else is second, priority's
Giving up your family or anything beyond this is just totally sad imho, sad, think about it!!!, done it, but at the time it was right, not just for the fishing
because trust me when the chips have been down going home to family has got me through hard times not an album full of carp but il temper that by reiterating...each to their own.
Sanity at last, it's about pleasure and enjoyment for me but everything else is second, priority's
Giving up your family or anything beyond this is just totally sad imho, sad, think about it!!!, done it, but at the time it was right, not just for the fishing
In reply to Post #722
I've been in that boat mate.it hurt.
I've been in that boat mate.it hurt.
In reply to Post #723
For me, it was the right thing to to do at the time
The reality is, family is EVERYTHING
Carp is just a fascinating pastime
For me, it was the right thing to to do at the time
The reality is, family is EVERYTHING
Carp is just a fascinating pastime
In reply to Post #724
What got me in to carping was the unknown , people talked In hushed voices and I was not in the inner circle, plus I'm fairly ugly and could not get a bird
What got me in to carping was the unknown , people talked In hushed voices and I was not in the inner circle, plus I'm fairly ugly and could not get a bird
In reply to Post #725
Same here mate, went fishing instead of raves
Kept me away from drugs and girls
Now fishing is more like the rave scene, hormones and sex everywhere
More like Rock and roll 🎣😂
Same here mate, went fishing instead of raves
Kept me away from drugs and girls
Now fishing is more like the rave scene, hormones and sex everywhere
More like Rock and roll 🎣😂
In reply to Post #725
Don't give up hope,if Scozza can find someone,there is hope for everyone
Don't give up hope,if Scozza can find someone,there is hope for everyone
In reply to Post #726
Friday night we made 10 oz mixes and smelt of monster crab, a winning combo
Friday night we made 10 oz mixes and smelt of monster crab, a winning combo
In reply to Post #728
I smelled of weed and sex
Probably explains why I'm a failure in fishing and life in general
I smelled of weed and sex
Probably explains why I'm a failure in fishing and life in general
In reply to Post #726
Fcuk that.
Big up the Exdous, Orange, Camden Palace, Astoria, Buzbies, Hippodrome, Roller Express, Dreamscape, Spiral Tribe, Bagleys, Base Box, The Grid, The Dungeons, The Sanctuary, Tiffanies Yarmouth Crew.
Nuff respect. I'm outta here. Peace.
Fcuk that.
Big up the Exdous, Orange, Camden Palace, Astoria, Buzbies, Hippodrome, Roller Express, Dreamscape, Spiral Tribe, Bagleys, Base Box, The Grid, The Dungeons, The Sanctuary, Tiffanies Yarmouth Crew.
Nuff respect. I'm outta here. Peace.
In reply to Post #730
Agree . . . I drank in the Horse & Barge . . .wasn't waiting to get back on Savay, was waiting to get the call and bomb round the M25 / Up the M40 wherever and whenever . . .Biology, Energy, Back to the Future, Sunrise, Helter Skelter, Dreamscape, Pandemonium, Yikes (The Slough Centre) and my personal favourite - Insanity at the Crypt in Deptford . . .total hardcore before the Church service on Sunday mornings - not very religious let me tell you
Would still do it now but have decided to be sensible, have a family and fish instead . . . .
Agree . . . I drank in the Horse & Barge . . .wasn't waiting to get back on Savay, was waiting to get the call and bomb round the M25 / Up the M40 wherever and whenever . . .Biology, Energy, Back to the Future, Sunrise, Helter Skelter, Dreamscape, Pandemonium, Yikes (The Slough Centre) and my personal favourite - Insanity at the Crypt in Deptford . . .total hardcore before the Church service on Sunday mornings - not very religious let me tell you
Would still do it now but have decided to be sensible, have a family and fish instead . . . .
In reply to Post #727
You still living with that bloke Braders?
Live life in the fast lane, fish, rave repeat
And get to the other end in double quick time
You still living with that bloke Braders?
Live life in the fast lane, fish, rave repeat
And get to the other end in double quick time
In reply to Post #731
Ooooh I'd forgotten about Helter Skelter at Milwaukee's in Rushden. Good call.
Ooooh I'd forgotten about Helter Skelter at Milwaukee's in Rushden. Good call.
In reply to Post #733
Milwaukee's..... heart of the Nene valley
Milwaukee's..... heart of the Nene valley
In reply to Post #733
Don't remember much but remember the Helter Skelter I went to was in a muddy field in Banbury . . .much like a lot of the early doos and mimicked later on by the Spiral Tribe / 'Traveller' events etc . . . . .
Don't remember much but remember the Helter Skelter I went to was in a muddy field in Banbury . . .much like a lot of the early doos and mimicked later on by the Spiral Tribe / 'Traveller' events etc . . . . .
And we have another change of topic
Thread has obviously run it's course.
Btw.
Braintree Barn was were it was at in 89-91 and as I went to school with Liam Howlett and we did our early raving days with each other 91-94 was following them around wherever they played. Good times, from what I remember .
Thread has obviously run it's course.
Btw.
Braintree Barn was were it was at in 89-91 and as I went to school with Liam Howlett and we did our early raving days with each other 91-94 was following them around wherever they played. Good times, from what I remember .
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