What's your thoughts on this, totally risk less or a bit irresponsible. Initially I thought best place to be as I've heard most saying. But starting to see more folks saying it's irresponsible much safer to stay home.
What's your thoughts on syndicates and club lakes which are gated obviously all Anglers coming and going will be handling the padlock codes etc? Plus general hygiene on the bank is never the best.......
Thoughts?
What's your thoughts on syndicates and club lakes which are gated obviously all Anglers coming and going will be handling the padlock codes etc? Plus general hygiene on the bank is never the best.......
Thoughts?
In reply to Post #1
As most anglers are solitary why should it be an issue
Stick in your swim and it's all ok
As most anglers are solitary why should it be an issue
Stick in your swim and it's all ok
In reply to Post #1
I miss fishing. But I'm not that desperate to go that I'm prepared to take any risks with my health or other people's. For that reason I'm gonna give it a miss till some normality resumes. I shall content myself with making pop ups, tying rigs and watching stuff on YouTube.
Virtually all my waters are closed until June 16th so I would only be fishing day tickets for a few months anyway. Giving that up doesn't seem that much of a sacrifice in the grand scheme of things.
There's growning evidence to suggest that our coronavirus infection curve is mirroring that of Italy. They implemented a partial lockdown at 200 deaths, similar to us. That failed to flatten their infection curve so they went on to introduce a virtual house arrest/curfews etc. That's almost certainly going to happen here in about two to three weeks, so ultimately the decision is going to be taken out of our hands anyway.
I miss fishing. But I'm not that desperate to go that I'm prepared to take any risks with my health or other people's. For that reason I'm gonna give it a miss till some normality resumes. I shall content myself with making pop ups, tying rigs and watching stuff on YouTube.
Virtually all my waters are closed until June 16th so I would only be fishing day tickets for a few months anyway. Giving that up doesn't seem that much of a sacrifice in the grand scheme of things.
There's growning evidence to suggest that our coronavirus infection curve is mirroring that of Italy. They implemented a partial lockdown at 200 deaths, similar to us. That failed to flatten their infection curve so they went on to introduce a virtual house arrest/curfews etc. That's almost certainly going to happen here in about two to three weeks, so ultimately the decision is going to be taken out of our hands anyway.
In reply to Post #3
Can't help but agree mate, I'm absolutely gagging to go especially with it coming into prime time now and unlike you my syndicate is open! Just feel it's a a bit selfish and irresponsible maybe. Especially my thoughts on all the Anglers coming and going handling the same gate/padlock.
It's just the thought of getting it in that way but not knowing initially or at all and then passing it on to friends or family possibly... tough one and much tougher times!
Can't help but agree mate, I'm absolutely gagging to go especially with it coming into prime time now and unlike you my syndicate is open! Just feel it's a a bit selfish and irresponsible maybe. Especially my thoughts on all the Anglers coming and going handling the same gate/padlock.
It's just the thought of getting it in that way but not knowing initially or at all and then passing it on to friends or family possibly... tough one and much tougher times!
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In reply to Post #4
Buy some disposable rubber gloves
Buy some disposable rubber gloves
Other countries are already doing lock downs.
A lock down here is inevitable.
I am self employed and will be affected like others as will have no income while not being able to go out to work if it comes to that.
Going fishing will not be deemed essential by the Government unfortunately.
And so it will have to be put on hold.
I will be over the moon to be proved wrong though.
A lock down here is inevitable.
I am self employed and will be affected like others as will have no income while not being able to go out to work if it comes to that.
Going fishing will not be deemed essential by the Government unfortunately.
And so it will have to be put on hold.
I will be over the moon to be proved wrong though.
In reply to Post #7
Yeah self employed too mate. As it stands I've still got work I doubt for much longer...
Yeah self employed too mate. As it stands I've still got work I doubt for much longer...
In reply to Post #8
I just hope we will all have our businesses left at the end of all this.
Bloody nightmare.
I just hope we will all have our businesses left at the end of all this.
Bloody nightmare.
Ok here's my take on it. So far when the government has asked the general population to do something, it's largely been ignored. Firstly they asked for people not to go to pubs, but they did anyway. So then the pubs were ordered to close. Secondly people were asked not to panic buy, they did, so the government got all the supermarket bosses to impose two and three item limits. Next they asked people to stay at home, and yesterday the Lake District had one of the busiest days on record and west wittering beach was forced to close due to unprecedented numbers of visitors. Again completely ignoring the very reasonable government requests. So a lock down is inevitable now I'm afraid.
But what will stop huge numbers of self employed people from staying at home? Lack of income, that's what. So expect to see early this week the government introduce financial support for the self employed that mirrors that already in place for the employed. Once that's done I think you'll quickly see all but essential shops and factories told to close and very rapidly after that a full lock down unless you have a damn good reason to be outside.
But what will stop huge numbers of self employed people from staying at home? Lack of income, that's what. So expect to see early this week the government introduce financial support for the self employed that mirrors that already in place for the employed. Once that's done I think you'll quickly see all but essential shops and factories told to close and very rapidly after that a full lock down unless you have a damn good reason to be outside.
In reply to Post #10
I hope they do help the self employed partly so we can do the right thing and stay home but also because before long no ones gonna wanting work to be done anyway and I definitely wouldn't blame them! Obviously I'm basing this on self employed tradesmen like myself but obviously all self employed are gonna need the help.
some year 2020s gonna be
I hope they do help the self employed partly so we can do the right thing and stay home but also because before long no ones gonna wanting work to be done anyway and I definitely wouldn't blame them! Obviously I'm basing this on self employed tradesmen like myself but obviously all self employed are gonna need the help.
some year 2020s gonna be
This chart lists the amount of deaths in Italy and those in the uk but two weeks apart. As you can see we mirror their infection rate and a partial shutdown failed to stop theirs. We have the luxury of a two week window to try to do something before our numbers spiral like this. But only if we use that two week window. So my take is expect a full lockdown very soon.
In reply to Post #10
Fishing is quite isolated and the risk of contacting COVID-19 whilst at the lake is low however you still need to drive there and risk having an accident and ending up in hospital or using our emergency services.
Driving to work if you cannot work from home, getting food/medicine shopping or going to doctors/hospital I would class as essential for the time being.........going fishing is not.....stay at home and give the needy a chance....
Fishing is quite isolated and the risk of contacting COVID-19 whilst at the lake is low however you still need to drive there and risk having an accident and ending up in hospital or using our emergency services.
Driving to work if you cannot work from home, getting food/medicine shopping or going to doctors/hospital I would class as essential for the time being.........going fishing is not.....stay at home and give the needy a chance....
In reply to Post #5
Use antibacterial wipes on your hands after touching locks gates etc..
Use antibacterial wipes on your hands after touching locks gates etc..
Good to see tescos being proactive.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1258607/tesco-price-hike-coronavirus-shopping-stockpiling-supermarkets-uk-covid-1
Not profiteering at all, just hit the poorest in society.
****s.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1258607/tesco-price-hike-coronavirus-shopping-stockpiling-supermarkets-uk-covid-1
Not profiteering at all, just hit the poorest in society.
****s.
In reply to Post #14
Provided we are not under lock down in the next couple of week (which we will be!), I'm generally comfortable with going fishing....
Partly because the lake I fish generally has 2-5 anglers within about 5/6 acres, so plenty of space - Isolation is simple.
I can even pay via card, so I dont even need to hand over the cash!
Sure - there are gates/padlocks - a bit of practical hygiene can help mitigate these risks (gel / gloves) and given I'll need fuel at somepoint in the next few months, I'm going to have to touch something at somepoint!
All in all....its safer in a field than joining the scrum in Tescos at the moment!
Provided we are not under lock down in the next couple of week (which we will be!), I'm generally comfortable with going fishing....
Partly because the lake I fish generally has 2-5 anglers within about 5/6 acres, so plenty of space - Isolation is simple.
I can even pay via card, so I dont even need to hand over the cash!
Sure - there are gates/padlocks - a bit of practical hygiene can help mitigate these risks (gel / gloves) and given I'll need fuel at somepoint in the next few months, I'm going to have to touch something at somepoint!
All in all....its safer in a field than joining the scrum in Tescos at the moment!
In reply to Post #16
I was planning on going in the week if we are all allowed out.
I fish a small club water of 6 acres most I've ever seen fishing is 4 others so plenty of room. The only thing I can see being an issue is the toilet and padlock on gate.
But when you start thinking - if I need to get petrol / food / bait that's extra stops.
You also have to think about people's mental health and how good a session outdoors can be for some people.
I was planning on going in the week if we are all allowed out.
I fish a small club water of 6 acres most I've ever seen fishing is 4 others so plenty of room. The only thing I can see being an issue is the toilet and padlock on gate.
But when you start thinking - if I need to get petrol / food / bait that's extra stops.
You also have to think about people's mental health and how good a session outdoors can be for some people.
In reply to Post #17
I've been out since thursday evening only managed to bag a 14lb common but the weather is crap. There was six of us plus a few feeder fisherman. I'll keep going until they announce total lockdown I'm alot more isolated down here.
I've been out since thursday evening only managed to bag a 14lb common but the weather is crap. There was six of us plus a few feeder fisherman. I'll keep going until they announce total lockdown I'm alot more isolated down here.
In reply to Post #18
Embryo waters all shut from 5pm Monday.
Embryo waters all shut from 5pm Monday.
In reply to Post #12
It really is interesting and quite scary when you see it like that.
Where did you find that chart fella?
It really is interesting and quite scary when you see it like that.
Where did you find that chart fella?
In reply to Post #1
I want to go fishing but I know it's going to be busy and if I do I don't want to be at risk. We all know most of the people who fish the same lake's as we do.. I believe that most councils should shut all parks as most people are still getting out and it's kind of defeating the object after seeing how busy the parks have been on the news. Lots of parks have fishing lake's lots of club lake's could shut if they are to busy with so many people not being at work. It's crazy
If the UK dose bring in full lock down then unless you live out in the sticks you can get away with been out. I know we all want to go out especially as the weather gets better. Like you say every one is going to touch the gates locks toilets on lake's who really cleans them top to bottom..
Your going to get in your motor touch your door handle gear stick radio steering wheel and all the other buttons.. After touching the lock gate and such.. Keep clean keep safe keep away if you don't want it. That's how I look at it
I want to go fishing but I know it's going to be busy and if I do I don't want to be at risk. We all know most of the people who fish the same lake's as we do.. I believe that most councils should shut all parks as most people are still getting out and it's kind of defeating the object after seeing how busy the parks have been on the news. Lots of parks have fishing lake's lots of club lake's could shut if they are to busy with so many people not being at work. It's crazy
If the UK dose bring in full lock down then unless you live out in the sticks you can get away with been out. I know we all want to go out especially as the weather gets better. Like you say every one is going to touch the gates locks toilets on lake's who really cleans them top to bottom..
Your going to get in your motor touch your door handle gear stick radio steering wheel and all the other buttons.. After touching the lock gate and such.. Keep clean keep safe keep away if you don't want it. That's how I look at it
In reply to Post #20
I'm a member on a VW forum. There was a lengthy chat about whether people should get out in their campers one last time before lock down. One of the other members posted the chart up. Although there are several others on the net that give the same figures.
I'm a member on a VW forum. There was a lengthy chat about whether people should get out in their campers one last time before lock down. One of the other members posted the chart up. Although there are several others on the net that give the same figures.
In reply to Post #22
My missus is an infection control lead nurse...one of the main difference we will see here apparently is in the allocation of ventilators.
The Italian death rate is very high because when anyone fronted up with corona symptoms they were automatically ventilated no matter what leading to them running out very quickly...whereas here because of the lesson learnt it will be done on merit so hopefully the mortality rate here will not be as high.
My missus is an infection control lead nurse...one of the main difference we will see here apparently is in the allocation of ventilators.
The Italian death rate is very high because when anyone fronted up with corona symptoms they were automatically ventilated no matter what leading to them running out very quickly...whereas here because of the lesson learnt it will be done on merit so hopefully the mortality rate here will not be as high.
In reply to Post #23
In answer to the op...I'd say lockdown in this country is inevitable.
Over the past day I've seen people having a large gathering at a children's party and trading estates full to capacity with people shopping for all sorts of unnecessary nonsense.
As per usual knob head mentality will ruin it for all of us.
In answer to the op...I'd say lockdown in this country is inevitable.
Over the past day I've seen people having a large gathering at a children's party and trading estates full to capacity with people shopping for all sorts of unnecessary nonsense.
As per usual knob head mentality will ruin it for all of us.
In reply to Post #12
That's a pretty striking comparison, hopefully the separation over the last three days continues. I've also been checking the who stats (easiest to find via the link in post 57 of the left and Labour thread) before leaving the house of a morning, the UK and US were pretty even before an astronomical jump today, if that continues they'll overtake the Italian deaths in a week.
My conscience won't let me have a day out in the country while my family are in London. Both for their sake and at risk of carrying it without knowing
That's a pretty striking comparison, hopefully the separation over the last three days continues. I've also been checking the who stats (easiest to find via the link in post 57 of the left and Labour thread) before leaving the house of a morning, the UK and US were pretty even before an astronomical jump today, if that continues they'll overtake the Italian deaths in a week.
My conscience won't let me have a day out in the country while my family are in London. Both for their sake and at risk of carrying it without knowing
I think the media need to start pushing these figures. The government has tried to be reasonable and people have took the piss. So now I think they need to get real and frighten people.
I see now there is a 36 year old nurse with no underlying issues critically ill on a ventilator. And people decide to go to the ****ing Lake District and potter round the shops for the weekend. What's wrong with these ****ing people?
I see now there is a 36 year old nurse with no underlying issues critically ill on a ventilator. And people decide to go to the ****ing Lake District and potter round the shops for the weekend. What's wrong with these ****ing people?
Embryo lakes are all shut as of tomorrow evening
I want to say this...
I manage my own fishery,no one fishes it apart from me,and my son....I could go and live there,however this is not right,I have NO interest or desire to fish at this time,it does not sit well with me,...I don't want to make any unwarranted journeys at all,the government says,no unessential journeys,fishing is just a hobby,and family,friends and the public are far more important..
Tomorrow I'm feeding the stock, planting some pads,checking, the electric fencing,then I'm done...because lockdown is now coming...
All those greedy,selfish ,uncaring people who carried on drinking etc,those who travelled to Scotland,Wales and Devon and Cornwall etc,and the holiday parks,second homeowners, and private cottage rental firms..
Takes good long hard look at your priorties and how you live your lives because what you do right now will impact upon another human..
I manage my own fishery,no one fishes it apart from me,and my son....I could go and live there,however this is not right,I have NO interest or desire to fish at this time,it does not sit well with me,...I don't want to make any unwarranted journeys at all,the government says,no unessential journeys,fishing is just a hobby,and family,friends and the public are far more important..
Tomorrow I'm feeding the stock, planting some pads,checking, the electric fencing,then I'm done...because lockdown is now coming...
All those greedy,selfish ,uncaring people who carried on drinking etc,those who travelled to Scotland,Wales and Devon and Cornwall etc,and the holiday parks,second homeowners, and private cottage rental firms..
Takes good long hard look at your priorties and how you live your lives because what you do right now will impact upon another human..
In reply to Post #26
A young woman in Poland died not long after giving birth I'm sure I heard also
A young woman in Poland died not long after giving birth I'm sure I heard also
I'm hoping my syndicate stays open. Fairly quiet and can get you car behind each peg which isolates you. No risk vs going to the supermarket.
Going through it myself been self isolating since last week started with the mad cough, then couldn't talk without my throat and lungs burning started coughing up blood in my phlegm and also had sickness and high temperatures on my head and chest but that went as quick as it started. Luckily touch wood im almost through it. My chest is still not great and had pains in my kidneys this morning. The issue I have with the government is they should've locked down weeks ago and only haven't due to the economy as they dont want the pound to drop. They will only test you if your basically rushed in dying as there's not enough tests which I've been told by 2 different doctors over the phone. My mother in law is a nurse and she's worse than me and she cant even get tested so whatever figures they show is not a true account of how many people do actually have it as it doesn't affect everyone the same.
In reply to Post #31
Jesus mate sounds awful, there's no doubt although the angler in me is gagging to get out and no idea how I'll cope with no angling for potentially the next few months or more lol, hearing stuff like that and obviously everything going on in our country, Europe and the rest of the world, angling clearly can wait and really I guess we need to focus on staying safe and not putting others at risk.
Nice bit of input from everyone, with plenty of time on my hands in the coming weeks can see me on here a lot more than I have been in the past.
Jesus mate sounds awful, there's no doubt although the angler in me is gagging to get out and no idea how I'll cope with no angling for potentially the next few months or more lol, hearing stuff like that and obviously everything going on in our country, Europe and the rest of the world, angling clearly can wait and really I guess we need to focus on staying safe and not putting others at risk.
Nice bit of input from everyone, with plenty of time on my hands in the coming weeks can see me on here a lot more than I have been in the past.
In reply to Post #31
There was a study in Italy a couple of weeks ago. They tested a huge number of people in an infected village and I think that for every one person that was ill, another ten had the virus but with absolutely no symptoms.
I'm glad you are on the mend. Even if you didn't have the actual virus, whatever it was sounds nasty. But from what you've described I bet you've had it.
There was a study in Italy a couple of weeks ago. They tested a huge number of people in an infected village and I think that for every one person that was ill, another ten had the virus but with absolutely no symptoms.
I'm glad you are on the mend. Even if you didn't have the actual virus, whatever it was sounds nasty. But from what you've described I bet you've had it.
In reply to Post #32
That's enough to push anyone over the edge.
That's enough to push anyone over the edge.
In reply to Post #32
Worst thing is in my situation you dont actually know if you've had it and have built up some sort of immunity to it or if it's some of type of other mad flu cos they wont test because the nhs dont have the funds.
Believe me I cant wait to get the rods out I've been driving the misses crazy watching fishing on YouTube and I reckon she will divorce before my 2 week isolation is up lol
Worst thing is in my situation you dont actually know if you've had it and have built up some sort of immunity to it or if it's some of type of other mad flu cos they wont test because the nhs dont have the funds.
Believe me I cant wait to get the rods out I've been driving the misses crazy watching fishing on YouTube and I reckon she will divorce before my 2 week isolation is up lol
In reply to Post #35
I've decided to stay in. Going fishing DOES increase the risk of A catching and B spreading. Just not worth it.
I've decided to stay in. Going fishing DOES increase the risk of A catching and B spreading. Just not worth it.
In reply to Post #35
I guess the divorce is at least one positive of getting it.
I guess the divorce is at least one positive of getting it.
In reply to Post #33
Been told by 2 doctors they believe it is the virus but unless I deteriorate where I'm rushed into a isolation ward then I will never know. My wife has only had a headache and my 2 young girls have only had a slight cough thank god. So reckon the Italian village thing is probably quite accurate. I'm lucky tho only just gone through pneumonia in December so thought it would hit me a lot harder. Will say tho I've eaten huge amounts of manuka honey medical grade and broccoli and a lot of fruit which has seemed to ease the symptoms
Been told by 2 doctors they believe it is the virus but unless I deteriorate where I'm rushed into a isolation ward then I will never know. My wife has only had a headache and my 2 young girls have only had a slight cough thank god. So reckon the Italian village thing is probably quite accurate. I'm lucky tho only just gone through pneumonia in December so thought it would hit me a lot harder. Will say tho I've eaten huge amounts of manuka honey medical grade and broccoli and a lot of fruit which has seemed to ease the symptoms
In reply to Post #38
Blimey you have been lucky then if your lungs were already weakened. One thing I've not really seen mentioned much again is the effect that smoking is having on the mortality rate. In the early stages in italy it was reported that one reason the death toll was so much higher was due to the high number of smokers. But recently that seems to be missing from the reports im reading.
Blimey you have been lucky then if your lungs were already weakened. One thing I've not really seen mentioned much again is the effect that smoking is having on the mortality rate. In the early stages in italy it was reported that one reason the death toll was so much higher was due to the high number of smokers. But recently that seems to be missing from the reports im reading.
In reply to Post #28
I live in a seaside village and it was packed today with outsiders, absolutely shocking behaviour.
Obviously these people are not listening to advice and just don't care..... lock down the hotspots of infections like London ASAP I say. With any luck this will happen in the next week.
I live in a seaside village and it was packed today with outsiders, absolutely shocking behaviour.
Obviously these people are not listening to advice and just don't care..... lock down the hotspots of infections like London ASAP I say. With any luck this will happen in the next week.
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In reply to Post #42
Two weeks ago Boris was in a hospital joking about how he was shaking hands with Corona patients. A few days ago he was talking about visiting his elderly mother for Mother's Day. On Tuesday (?) his dad was on TV telling people to go down the pub. On Friday the schools were open.
It's no good railing against the public for failing to understand the seriousness of the situation when it hasn't been taken seriously. The messaging is very, very mixed. Most people don't watch the news. Most people don't trust politicians. This is all well known and the government is not acting in a way that takes it into account.
Lockdown, 24/7 public info messaging. Every other country is doing it and they have more hospital capacity than us. It's the only thing that will work.
Two weeks ago Boris was in a hospital joking about how he was shaking hands with Corona patients. A few days ago he was talking about visiting his elderly mother for Mother's Day. On Tuesday (?) his dad was on TV telling people to go down the pub. On Friday the schools were open.
It's no good railing against the public for failing to understand the seriousness of the situation when it hasn't been taken seriously. The messaging is very, very mixed. Most people don't watch the news. Most people don't trust politicians. This is all well known and the government is not acting in a way that takes it into account.
Lockdown, 24/7 public info messaging. Every other country is doing it and they have more hospital capacity than us. It's the only thing that will work.
In reply to Post #43
You can't blame politicians for people ignoring advice. Were being told clearly what to do, you see this on the tele, in papers, on the radio, across social media.... its everywhere....
When were in lockdown it'll be because so many people just ignored advice on purpose.
How serious do you need when you see the death toll increasing daily?
You can't blame politicians for people ignoring advice. Were being told clearly what to do, you see this on the tele, in papers, on the radio, across social media.... its everywhere....
When were in lockdown it'll be because so many people just ignored advice on purpose.
How serious do you need when you see the death toll increasing daily?
In reply to Post #36
I'm out for a session tomorrow.
Only one on the lake.
I should be safe.
So should the fish....
I'm out for a session tomorrow.
Only one on the lake.
I should be safe.
So should the fish....
In reply to Post #43
Quote****Most people don't watch the news
Really? Given the current situation I would think most do watch it now.
Quote****Most people don't watch the news
Really? Given the current situation I would think most do watch it now.
In reply to Post #45
What happens if your car breaks down on the way there, or have an accident and need hospital attention etc? That's why no unnecessary journeys, it's not just no gatherings of people.
Right now fishing isn't important. It'll still be there when this is over.
What happens if your car breaks down on the way there, or have an accident and need hospital attention etc? That's why no unnecessary journeys, it's not just no gatherings of people.
Right now fishing isn't important. It'll still be there when this is over.
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In reply to Post #48
People are ignoring the warnings, I live very near West Wittering and I'm convinced many have jumped on the self isolating as an excuse not to work.
People are ignoring the warnings, I live very near West Wittering and I'm convinced many have jumped on the self isolating as an excuse not to work.
In my job we have had to close the restaurant, bar and spa, although at the moment the hotel and golf course is still open. If the hotel gets closed, as it is likely to, there will still need to be a skeleton staff day and night to keep maintenance and security. So from 100 odd staff, there will be 10-12 who have to stay on, the rest will be put on furlough.
I feel for the owners having to work out who!
I know Anglian Water have shut all their fisheries and country parks, which puts my self isolation on my holiday up the creek as I had planned on fishing. It also increases my risk if I have to stay at home as I would then need to mix with people when I need to top up my gas and electric cards at the local shops, compared to using no energy while fishing.
One thing though, the government has said that to go into second home on the coast is non essential travel, so may stop a few pulling a fast one.
I took my dog for her morning walk yesterday morning, Sunday, there were more people walking around the parks, in groups, than normal. There were more cars on the road coming into and out of Ipswich than usual for a Sunday.
Social distancing is not being adhered to.
I feel for the owners having to work out who!
I know Anglian Water have shut all their fisheries and country parks, which puts my self isolation on my holiday up the creek as I had planned on fishing. It also increases my risk if I have to stay at home as I would then need to mix with people when I need to top up my gas and electric cards at the local shops, compared to using no energy while fishing.
One thing though, the government has said that to go into second home on the coast is non essential travel, so may stop a few pulling a fast one.
I took my dog for her morning walk yesterday morning, Sunday, there were more people walking around the parks, in groups, than normal. There were more cars on the road coming into and out of Ipswich than usual for a Sunday.
Social distancing is not being adhered to.
In reply to Post #49
southend sea front was rammed yesterday, cues around the block at pitsea tescos. cues round the block cosco west Thurrock..
southend sea front was rammed yesterday, cues around the block at pitsea tescos. cues round the block cosco west Thurrock..
The only people responsible for the spread of this Chinese disease are the Chinese government who knew about the problem months before finally admitting it.
Avian Flu-China
SARS-China
Covid 19-China.
And flights from Gatwick to both China and Italy are still available as of this morning.
Avian Flu-China
SARS-China
Covid 19-China.
And flights from Gatwick to both China and Italy are still available as of this morning.
In reply to Post #49
Totally agree with the post below that a lot of people are milking it and seeing this as some sort of public holiday
Totally agree with the post below that a lot of people are milking it and seeing this as some sort of public holiday
The advice is to only travel for essential journeys - although we all love fishing that is most certainly not essential travel. And how about if you get ill while you're on the bank? If paramdeic assistance is needed there's agood chance that'll be the helicopter being called out. All because you thought the blanket advice doesn't apply to you.
Doing anything but essential travel is irresponsible to put it mildly. Don't think it'll happen to you? I sincerely hope it doesn't. You may well get the full blown virus and be OK but what about those you pass it onto... They may not be so lucky.
Please don't give me that c r a p about being isolated on the bank. You're not. You still have to travel there, you still have to interact with people on the way there / way back. Be responsible, please.
Doing anything but essential travel is irresponsible to put it mildly. Don't think it'll happen to you? I sincerely hope it doesn't. You may well get the full blown virus and be OK but what about those you pass it onto... They may not be so lucky.
Please don't give me that c r a p about being isolated on the bank. You're not. You still have to travel there, you still have to interact with people on the way there / way back. Be responsible, please.
In reply to Post #54
I'm on the Isle of Wight now servicing and repairing sewage pumping stations and treatment plants, don't think we are on the key workers list.
I'm on the Isle of Wight now servicing and repairing sewage pumping stations and treatment plants, don't think we are on the key workers list.
In reply to Post #54
Not quite sure how any travel that involves leaving your house, getting your car and driving it is irresponsible?
My take on it is that if I go from my house, to my van, to the unfished quarry that no one ever goes to, barrow to it and fish, then back in my van, and back in house, who is at risk?? It's not essential but if it harms no one then what is the issue with it?
Not quite sure how any travel that involves leaving your house, getting your car and driving it is irresponsible?
My take on it is that if I go from my house, to my van, to the unfished quarry that no one ever goes to, barrow to it and fish, then back in my van, and back in house, who is at risk?? It's not essential but if it harms no one then what is the issue with it?
Let's be honest the most dangerous place at the moment is the supermarkets.Massive crowds and no social distancing there
In reply to Post #57
Super markets and garage forecourts
Super markets and garage forecourts
In reply to Post #55
Yes you are, sewage needs to carry on working regardless just like keeping the leccy on, water supplies, internet etc...
Yes you are, sewage needs to carry on working regardless just like keeping the leccy on, water supplies, internet etc...
In reply to Post #56
That's just you though. My news feed on facey is full of people going to places like linear or farlows or one of the many other busy open access lakes.
Not being flippant here but you cannot predict the future. You don't know who you'll bump into while out and about.
That's just you though. My news feed on facey is full of people going to places like linear or farlows or one of the many other busy open access lakes.
Not being flippant here but you cannot predict the future. You don't know who you'll bump into while out and about.
In reply to Post #60
Why are all the golf course open, no one even seems to be talking about that being stopped...
Why are all the golf course open, no one even seems to be talking about that being stopped...
In reply to Post #1
I'm not desperate to get out at the moment but normally at this time of year I'd be putting in a bait order and visiting the tackle shop to get the necessary stuff needed to start up again in the next few weeks.
I've decided against ordering bait as I need the freezer space for food at the moment (not even sure if the bait companies are still operating at the moment as I presume they're struggling to source ingredients like eggs for example).
Tackle shop seem like an unnecessary journey and contact with people but obviously I could shop on-line.
As far as my tickets are concerned I have three, one syndicate and two clubs:
Syndicate is closed for the close season but renewals are due by 1st May, that's £450
Club lake 1 is open and renewals are due 1st April too, I was due to do a work party next Sunday which reduces the renewal cost by £50 but I'm assuming that's now off (although not officially heard) so that renewal will be £210
Club lake 2 is also open and renewals are due 16th June, again you need to do a work party to reduce the cost by £30 but these have been cancelled so that renewal will now be £70 In addition the lake is in a public park which I suspect may end up being closed.
That's £730 worth of tickets I need to renew with no idea whether I'll actually be allowed to go fishing or not.
Not sure what to do tbh, it's a lot of money to lose if I can't go but at the same time I'll probably never be able to get those tickets back if I do drop them.
I'm not desperate to get out at the moment but normally at this time of year I'd be putting in a bait order and visiting the tackle shop to get the necessary stuff needed to start up again in the next few weeks.
I've decided against ordering bait as I need the freezer space for food at the moment (not even sure if the bait companies are still operating at the moment as I presume they're struggling to source ingredients like eggs for example).
Tackle shop seem like an unnecessary journey and contact with people but obviously I could shop on-line.
As far as my tickets are concerned I have three, one syndicate and two clubs:
Syndicate is closed for the close season but renewals are due by 1st May, that's £450
Club lake 1 is open and renewals are due 1st April too, I was due to do a work party next Sunday which reduces the renewal cost by £50 but I'm assuming that's now off (although not officially heard) so that renewal will be £210
Club lake 2 is also open and renewals are due 16th June, again you need to do a work party to reduce the cost by £30 but these have been cancelled so that renewal will now be £70 In addition the lake is in a public park which I suspect may end up being closed.
That's £730 worth of tickets I need to renew with no idea whether I'll actually be allowed to go fishing or not.
Not sure what to do tbh, it's a lot of money to lose if I can't go but at the same time I'll probably never be able to get those tickets back if I do drop them.
In reply to Post #61
I don't know. Call them and ask them?
I don't know. Call them and ask them?
In reply to Post #61
Maybe part of the sinister masterplan is to get rid of all golfers too....
Maybe part of the sinister masterplan is to get rid of all golfers too....
In reply to Post #64
I have heard all the golfers are just going with the swing of things and are going to club together
I have heard all the golfers are just going with the swing of things and are going to club together
In reply to Post #65
In reply to Post #65
In reply to Post #61
I have just driven past out local course....car park is packed and they are all out in their little groups. They are probably all high risk aswell 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I have just driven past out local course....car park is packed and they are all out in their little groups. They are probably all high risk aswell 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
In reply to Post #68
Natural selection at work
Natural selection at work
In reply to Post #62
i've ordered a lot of bait today from ABS because I don't know when they will close and for how long etc. Got some freezer space and will be fishing as much as poss up until the lockdown.
i've ordered a lot of bait today from ABS because I don't know when they will close and for how long etc. Got some freezer space and will be fishing as much as poss up until the lockdown.
In reply to Post #70
Blimey how much bait are you intending on using between now and tomorrow night?
Blimey how much bait are you intending on using between now and tomorrow night?
In reply to Post #71
Do you think it will be that soon Wayne?I think London will be soon if people do not listen.It does not help that Boris did not seem to take it seriously at first either
Do you think it will be that soon Wayne?I think London will be soon if people do not listen.It does not help that Boris did not seem to take it seriously at first either
In reply to Post #72
We will be on lockdown by the end of the day.
Unfortunately the chav society of today are more interested in mcdonalds closing than self isolating its a shocking state of affairs it really is!!!
We will be on lockdown by the end of the day.
Unfortunately the chav society of today are more interested in mcdonalds closing than self isolating its a shocking state of affairs it really is!!!
In reply to Post #73
I just hope we all get through it safely,my mum is in her late 70's and got copd but trying to make her listen is bloody hard.She is as stubborn as an old mule
I just hope we all get through it safely,my mum is in her late 70's and got copd but trying to make her listen is bloody hard.She is as stubborn as an old mule
In reply to Post #73
I live 100 yards from the beach and the beach car park was full yesterday and also this morning and they were parking on the grass and queuing up into the car park to get fish and chips. There all a bunch of inconsiderate *****s.
I live 100 yards from the beach and the beach car park was full yesterday and also this morning and they were parking on the grass and queuing up into the car park to get fish and chips. There all a bunch of inconsiderate *****s.
In reply to Post #72
As soon as they can finance the self employed then I think we will get lock down. No daily borris update at 5pm but he is set to address the nation later according to the sky news app.
As soon as they can finance the self employed then I think we will get lock down. No daily borris update at 5pm but he is set to address the nation later according to the sky news app.
In reply to Post #75
But your selling the bog rolls and ice cream at 1000% mark up.
But your selling the bog rolls and ice cream at 1000% mark up.
In reply to Post #77
What he didn't tell you is he owns the chip shop.
What he didn't tell you is he owns the chip shop.
In reply to Post #61
While at the moment most (if not all) golf courses are still open, club houses are not well most of them! Obviously bar and sit down eating facilities have stopped but clubs are still allowed to provide take away food services which I do find strange
Golf clubs are taking extra precautions in regard to contact on the golf course, ball washers removed are or of use, rakes removed, golfers instructed not to touch the flags or clubs now starting to remove the flags completely and so on and so on. Competitions involving many members meeting and teeing off at the same time (shotgun start as it is known) have been cancelled to minimise social contact, in line with measures already taken in a lot of Europe of totally closing down golf courses will no doubt follow here, though personally I think there is less risk than people still going to supermarkets, though obviously they cannot be closed.
While at the moment most (if not all) golf courses are still open, club houses are not well most of them! Obviously bar and sit down eating facilities have stopped but clubs are still allowed to provide take away food services which I do find strange
Golf clubs are taking extra precautions in regard to contact on the golf course, ball washers removed are or of use, rakes removed, golfers instructed not to touch the flags or clubs now starting to remove the flags completely and so on and so on. Competitions involving many members meeting and teeing off at the same time (shotgun start as it is known) have been cancelled to minimise social contact, in line with measures already taken in a lot of Europe of totally closing down golf courses will no doubt follow here, though personally I think there is less risk than people still going to supermarkets, though obviously they cannot be closed.
In reply to Post #79
I spoke with my Spanish colleague about this last Thursday. He said the UK's mind set will completely change on this in 2 weeks time when the exponential rate of increase begins to show and everyone will regret that last outing they decided to go on.
Sadly people haven't been following guidelines so until the government enforces lockdown it is likely we'll end up in the same state.
The quicker people listen, the quicker it will be over..... perhaps until the 2nd wave hits in the autumn...😬
I spoke with my Spanish colleague about this last Thursday. He said the UK's mind set will completely change on this in 2 weeks time when the exponential rate of increase begins to show and everyone will regret that last outing they decided to go on.
Sadly people haven't been following guidelines so until the government enforces lockdown it is likely we'll end up in the same state.
The quicker people listen, the quicker it will be over..... perhaps until the 2nd wave hits in the autumn...😬
In reply to Post #78
Looks like lockdown will be announced at 20.30hrs tonight.I hope they put a strict penalty in place on people who ignore this
Looks like lockdown will be announced at 20.30hrs tonight.I hope they put a strict penalty in place on people who ignore this
In reply to Post #80
Sadly it will probably be the sensible people who have followed the guidelines who will be the most affected, the other ¨invincible¨ idiots can then pat themselves on their backs for their actions!
Sadly it will probably be the sensible people who have followed the guidelines who will be the most affected, the other ¨invincible¨ idiots can then pat themselves on their backs for their actions!
In reply to Post #80
Never mind that ! When's the next instalment coming on YouTube ?
Never mind that ! When's the next instalment coming on YouTube ?
In reply to Post #83
Official.
No fishing for at least 3 weeks.
Official.
No fishing for at least 3 weeks.
In reply to Post #84
Yep. Decision has been made. YOU DONT GO FISHING. STAY IN. STAY SAFE. PROTECT THE NHS. PROTECT LIVES
Yep. Decision has been made. YOU DONT GO FISHING. STAY IN. STAY SAFE. PROTECT THE NHS. PROTECT LIVES
In reply to Post #85
Thats a pain ive got every friday booked off of until middle of April i was going to out for 48hrs every weekend
I'll have cancel them tomorrow.
Thats a pain ive got every friday booked off of until middle of April i was going to out for 48hrs every weekend
I'll have cancel them tomorrow.
In reply to Post #86
Well that's pissed me right off. Unable to work and unable to fish. Gonna also have to cancel bait order 1st thing as they wint be able to make it. Fed up is an understatement
Well that's pissed me right off. Unable to work and unable to fish. Gonna also have to cancel bait order 1st thing as they wint be able to make it. Fed up is an understatement
In reply to Post #87
But still healthy and alive,surely that's the main thing
But still healthy and alive,surely that's the main thing
In reply to Post #84
It's a bit like the old close season. Although I'm pzd off about it it, I am also feeling an echo of the anticipation and excitement I used to get as a kid.
It's a bit like the old close season. Although I'm pzd off about it it, I am also feeling an echo of the anticipation and excitement I used to get as a kid.
In reply to Post #88
Yup - that's that!
Garden is going to be master piece....
Until my lad humps a ball at 60mph through my prize petunias
Yup - that's that!
Garden is going to be master piece....
Until my lad humps a ball at 60mph through my prize petunias
In reply to Post #89
And think of all that bait your going to roll over the next three weeks..
And think of all that bait your going to roll over the next three weeks..
In reply to Post #91
And all the clever rigs I might tie and never use
And all the clever rigs I might tie and never use
In reply to Post #89
I agree. It'll be interesting to see what the waters and fish look like when we've sorted this.
I agree. It'll be interesting to see what the waters and fish look like when we've sorted this.
Having spent a life time knowing about wells disease I have issue going.
I went last night had the place to myself along come a stranger and I apologised and requested we stand two metres and he was understanding.
The members of my syndicate have already discussed and put this into practice way before the government rolled it out.
I went last night had the place to myself along come a stranger and I apologised and requested we stand two metres and he was understanding.
The members of my syndicate have already discussed and put this into practice way before the government rolled it out.
In reply to Post #84
Where did you see that?
Where did you see that?
In reply to Post #10
Wow so not the case the government has followed the general con-censors lagging behind people's decisions. Super markets put into practice what was common sense. Parents stopped their children from going to school prior to the governments advice and companies removed their apprentices from college before the government intervened. In fact they government are so behind the curve it's baffling.
Wow so not the case the government has followed the general con-censors lagging behind people's decisions. Super markets put into practice what was common sense. Parents stopped their children from going to school prior to the governments advice and companies removed their apprentices from college before the government intervened. In fact they government are so behind the curve it's baffling.
In reply to Post #43
Agreed.
Agreed.
I wait to hear with baited breath I hope I can go as it charges me batteries and I am more productive for it .
In reply to Post #98
Is that in reply to something. Where are you hoping to go ?
Is that in reply to something. Where are you hoping to go ?
In reply to Post #99
Oh dam. I read the thread again, found the announcement.
Oh dam. I read the thread again, found the announcement.
Had 2 messages with in 15 mins of Boris's announcement from both lake owners I fish that they are closed.
Glad it's been done as I was going today but had decided against it and now it's official so decision taken out of my hands
Stay save and we'll soon be back on the bank sooner than later hopefully
Glad it's been done as I was going today but had decided against it and now it's official so decision taken out of my hands
Stay save and we'll soon be back on the bank sooner than later hopefully
In reply to Post #101
Reading and district angling has now closed all of its waters,
and your not even allowed on the rada property,
And they are asking all anglers fishing to leave as well,
Announced on their Facebook page,
So heads up
Reading and district angling has now closed all of its waters,
and your not even allowed on the rada property,
And they are asking all anglers fishing to leave as well,
Announced on their Facebook page,
So heads up
In reply to Post #102
Bound to get a few anglers out this weekend trying their luck.
Bound to get a few anglers out this weekend trying their luck.
In reply to Post #103
They have said bailiffs will be patrolling the waters to make sure,
If I'm honest, if anyone is caught fishing, they should have there ticket taken and banned from the waters
The one thing that will come out of the waters shutdown, is it's going to be like the old close season
And the anticipation and (well for a lot) the excitement of getting back on the bank,
Just like it was in the old close season days 👍
They have said bailiffs will be patrolling the waters to make sure,
If I'm honest, if anyone is caught fishing, they should have there ticket taken and banned from the waters
The one thing that will come out of the waters shutdown, is it's going to be like the old close season
And the anticipation and (well for a lot) the excitement of getting back on the bank,
Just like it was in the old close season days 👍
In reply to Post #104
If sticking to the rules then bailiffs can't patrol the water?
If sticking to the rules then bailiffs can't patrol the water?
In reply to Post #104
There must be at least 6 people fishing on the lakes near me at moment. I spotted 6 cars/vans in car parks and 5 bivvies on lakes. dread to think what the weekend will be like.
There must be at least 6 people fishing on the lakes near me at moment. I spotted 6 cars/vans in car parks and 5 bivvies on lakes.
dread to think what the weekend will be like.
In reply to Post #106
I'd love it if they were fined and all tackle confiscated. Thick bell ends.
I'd love it if they were fined and all tackle confiscated. Thick bell ends.
In reply to Post #107
Bit harsh considering they may have been there before Boris made the call
Bit harsh considering they may have been there before Boris made the call
In reply to Post #104
I think this will be going on a lot longer than June the 16th tbh?
I think this will be going on a lot longer than June the 16th tbh?
To be honest I think there should be a punishment, the more people go out the longer this lockdown will carry on, which means even less fishing. If we stay away in 3-4 weeks we could all be dangling by the late spring early summer. 🤞🤞
In reply to Post #110
I truly hope so but got a nasty feeling this will last a tad longer
I truly hope so but got a nasty feeling this will last a tad longer
In reply to Post #111
No reason it should if we all obey the guidelines.They sorted it in Wuhan doing what was suggested.They are now saying they might get a second wave of it from people returning to the country with it
No reason it should if we all obey the guidelines.They sorted it in Wuhan doing what was suggested.They are now saying they might get a second wave of it from people returning to the country with it
In reply to Post #108
Yeah but it doesn't take long to pack up and go home either...
It's clear that some people are going to ignore the instruction and act selfishly to just go fishing anyway. This means that lake owners / bailiffs need to go out and police it, putting themselves at risk potentially.
And as said on here, if people continue to ignore the instructions then it will only become more strict and be prolonged further.
I'm expecting it to get worse before restrictions are lifted. When troops are recalled from overseas and given training in peacekeeping and social disorder strategies, there's clearly something else in the plan...
Yeah but it doesn't take long to pack up and go home either...
It's clear that some people are going to ignore the instruction and act selfishly to just go fishing anyway. This means that lake owners / bailiffs need to go out and police it, putting themselves at risk potentially.
And as said on here, if people continue to ignore the instructions then it will only become more strict and be prolonged further.
I'm expecting it to get worse before restrictions are lifted. When troops are recalled from overseas and given training in peacekeeping and social disorder strategies, there's clearly something else in the plan...
Got this in an email this morning.
The Angling Trust has now created a dedicated support helpline for angling organisations. You can access details of the helpline, along with information about financial support that could be available to angling organisations and businesses promised by the Government as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic and its associated impact, on our dedicated support pages.
Clubs, fisheries and other angling organisations can access this information here.
https://joinanglingtrust.net/covid19-orgs/?dm_i=3XSU,143VV,46D9LZ,3WV8I,1
We must all do what is required of us by the Government and work together to fight this pandemic. Therefore until further notice we should all refrain from fishing. This is about saving lives and supporting the NHS.
In regards to the current restrictions announced by the Government on Monday 23 March 2020 it is clear that the only permitted activities that have been specified are walking, running and cycling for the purpose of local daily exercise. Today we have written to the Sports Minister highlighting the benefits to both physical health and mental wellbeing that angling provides and that we are ready and prepared to offer whatever support the government or Sport England require now or in the future to get people back fishing as soon as is safely possible.
The Angling Trust has now created a dedicated support helpline for angling organisations. You can access details of the helpline, along with information about financial support that could be available to angling organisations and businesses promised by the Government as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic and its associated impact, on our dedicated support pages.
Clubs, fisheries and other angling organisations can access this information here.
https://joinanglingtrust.net/covid19-orgs/?dm_i=3XSU,143VV,46D9LZ,3WV8I,1
We must all do what is required of us by the Government and work together to fight this pandemic. Therefore until further notice we should all refrain from fishing. This is about saving lives and supporting the NHS.
In regards to the current restrictions announced by the Government on Monday 23 March 2020 it is clear that the only permitted activities that have been specified are walking, running and cycling for the purpose of local daily exercise. Today we have written to the Sports Minister highlighting the benefits to both physical health and mental wellbeing that angling provides and that we are ready and prepared to offer whatever support the government or Sport England require now or in the future to get people back fishing as soon as is safely possible.
In reply to Post #113
I'm staying in and only leaving the house if absolutely essential.My health and my families comes before any fishing.Its simply just not worth it
I'm staying in and only leaving the house if absolutely essential.My health and my families comes before any fishing.Its simply just not worth it
In reply to Post #114
Sadly we still have idiots jogging in groups, or walking dogs together around the local parks, or they were when I walked Sky this morning. Every time I saw someone coming I simply changed direction, zig zagging my way across the park with her. She got let off the lead inside the old tennis court enclosure on Chantry Park in Ipswich.
I saw one woman with her dog off the lead, as another dog was playing her dog ran up to play as well. She had to go retrieve it, and was most definitely within 2metres of the owners.
On my way back I had to go to the local shop, still some items out of stock, breakfast cereals and bread, so to find essentials will have to go further afield.
The golf course and hotel at Ufford Park where I work is totally closed down and the 'essentials' chosen. Even though officially on holiday I have to go do the year end stocktake then I will be on furlough.
Yes I am peeved I can't go fishing, it would be total self-isolation and I did argue the point on the Alton Water Facebook page when they closed the Anglian Water Parks before the AT announcement.
I'm also willing to bet that local residents will still be walking their dogs around the reservoir, even though it is supposedly closed. It is such a size you would need constant ranger patrols around all 12miles of footpaths!
Sadly we still have idiots jogging in groups, or walking dogs together around the local parks, or they were when I walked Sky this morning. Every time I saw someone coming I simply changed direction, zig zagging my way across the park with her. She got let off the lead inside the old tennis court enclosure on Chantry Park in Ipswich.
I saw one woman with her dog off the lead, as another dog was playing her dog ran up to play as well. She had to go retrieve it, and was most definitely within 2metres of the owners.
On my way back I had to go to the local shop, still some items out of stock, breakfast cereals and bread, so to find essentials will have to go further afield.
The golf course and hotel at Ufford Park where I work is totally closed down and the 'essentials' chosen. Even though officially on holiday I have to go do the year end stocktake then I will be on furlough.
Yes I am peeved I can't go fishing, it would be total self-isolation and I did argue the point on the Alton Water Facebook page when they closed the Anglian Water Parks before the AT announcement.
I'm also willing to bet that local residents will still be walking their dogs around the reservoir, even though it is supposedly closed. It is such a size you would need constant ranger patrols around all 12miles of footpaths!
Dave Lane's Facebook Post:
So, Covid 19 and fishing...this is a tricky one and I can see both sides of the argument here.
Realistically, however, I think the choice is not ours to make anymore.
I fully understand those who say that they are in perfect isolation on the bank, just look at how I fish, I would literally be a one man isolation unit.
I still need fuel, though, food and other supplies and how many other anglers are fortunate/mad enough to fish my sort of waters?
Commercial fisheries are busy anyway, potentially more so now.
One man handing out tickets to the many, mates sharing a brew, photographing each other's fish.
What about match angling?
We all love our fishing and, even in these terrible times, you should not feel guilty or be made to think that way for still giving it a level of personal importance.
Fishing is our safe space, our place of mental well being and you cannot just turn that off.
Realistically, however, I have been in contact today with the owners of some of the larger syndicate groups and they are closing the gates, they have been instructed by the government to close.
Most commercial fisheries are already shut.
We are just one tiny cog in a huge wheel that needs to stop turning for a little while to help prevent the spread of this terrible virus.
It will pass.
A lot of us remember this time of year as the traditional closed season, three months without angling, not three weeks!
During this time we used to perform a total overhaul of our tackle, re-spool with fresh line, tie new rigs, replace those tatty, lost or broken items that needed it.
We would plan and dream of the season to come, stare at maps of the lake, plot the downfall of our target fish, and we survived.
This time around it will be, hopefully, a much shorter closed season and we are actually doing it to save lives.
Think about that bit for a minute because there is a HUGE reality out there, a global pandemic, and that my friends is bigger than all of us.
I am in no position to tell others what to do but let's not create a divide between those that do and those that don't fish throughout this.
We all understand the urge and we are all in a position to assess if we can stay within the government guide lines.
We can do this people.
So, Covid 19 and fishing...this is a tricky one and I can see both sides of the argument here.
Realistically, however, I think the choice is not ours to make anymore.
I fully understand those who say that they are in perfect isolation on the bank, just look at how I fish, I would literally be a one man isolation unit.
I still need fuel, though, food and other supplies and how many other anglers are fortunate/mad enough to fish my sort of waters?
Commercial fisheries are busy anyway, potentially more so now.
One man handing out tickets to the many, mates sharing a brew, photographing each other's fish.
What about match angling?
We all love our fishing and, even in these terrible times, you should not feel guilty or be made to think that way for still giving it a level of personal importance.
Fishing is our safe space, our place of mental well being and you cannot just turn that off.
Realistically, however, I have been in contact today with the owners of some of the larger syndicate groups and they are closing the gates, they have been instructed by the government to close.
Most commercial fisheries are already shut.
We are just one tiny cog in a huge wheel that needs to stop turning for a little while to help prevent the spread of this terrible virus.
It will pass.
A lot of us remember this time of year as the traditional closed season, three months without angling, not three weeks!
During this time we used to perform a total overhaul of our tackle, re-spool with fresh line, tie new rigs, replace those tatty, lost or broken items that needed it.
We would plan and dream of the season to come, stare at maps of the lake, plot the downfall of our target fish, and we survived.
This time around it will be, hopefully, a much shorter closed season and we are actually doing it to save lives.
Think about that bit for a minute because there is a HUGE reality out there, a global pandemic, and that my friends is bigger than all of us.
I am in no position to tell others what to do but let's not create a divide between those that do and those that don't fish throughout this.
We all understand the urge and we are all in a position to assess if we can stay within the government guide lines.
We can do this people.
In reply to Post #117
To put everything into perspective, Michael Gove has announced that he believes it's perfectly acceptable to visit ab allotment. Now an allotment would be far busier than my syndicate!
So long as we keep to the social distancing rules I really don't see the issue, but it all depends on the venue I guess. I could go to my syndicate and not see someone for days... It's probably safer than being in my garden!
To put everything into perspective, Michael Gove has announced that he believes it's perfectly acceptable to visit ab allotment. Now an allotment would be far busier than my syndicate!
So long as we keep to the social distancing rules I really don't see the issue, but it all depends on the venue I guess. I could go to my syndicate and not see someone for days... It's probably safer than being in my garden!
In reply to Post #102
My club D.D.A.P.S has closed all lakes and changed the locks to prevent access.
My club D.D.A.P.S has closed all lakes and changed the locks to prevent access.
In reply to Post #118
Your syndicate could get busier if it were opened and the members were all off work?
Your syndicate could get busier if it were opened and the members were all off work?
In reply to Post #120
Medway valley have done the same closed lakes and changed all the locks.
Medway valley have done the same closed lakes and changed all the locks.
In reply to Post #121
my syndicate water is open, my club water is shut and the local park lakes are also shut.
my syndicate water is open, my club water is shut and the local park lakes are also shut.
I guess the thing is it's got to be across the board. Imagine anglers still fish, then golfers still play, then the local bowls club then the swimming club and before you know it everyone's finding a way to get round the ban by finding an excuse as to why their particular hobby isn't unsafe or an infection risk. I think we've all just got to put up with it for a while and accept these aren't normal times and so there's gonna be disruption to normal activities.
I look at it this way, if we'd had news that a particular terrorist organisation was about the launch multiple attacks in every town and the government had said they'll do their best to stop it, but some of you will get killed if you don't stay inside, would you go fishing and risk orphaning your kids, widowing your wife, breaking your parents hearts. I know I wouldn't for the sake of three weeks carp fishing.
I look at it this way, if we'd had news that a particular terrorist organisation was about the launch multiple attacks in every town and the government had said they'll do their best to stop it, but some of you will get killed if you don't stay inside, would you go fishing and risk orphaning your kids, widowing your wife, breaking your parents hearts. I know I wouldn't for the sake of three weeks carp fishing.
In reply to Post #123
You are talking some serious sense just lately.I hope that's not one of the symptoms
You are talking some serious sense just lately.I hope that's not one of the symptoms
In reply to Post #118
Gove is a buffoon
Gove is a buffoon
In reply to Post #124
I always talk sense. Nonsense.
I always talk sense. Nonsense.
Hi Having had time today to trawl through faceache its become obvious that there's a definite minority that APPEAR to think it acceptable to be out and about fishing either today or thru the weekend or whinge and whine about venue closures. Are they oblivious or just ignorant of the situation? If some lakes are staying open they are acting irresponsibly to say the least for reasons already mentioned on here...as a rule we are a fairly sociable bunch and this is EXACTLY what we should be avoiding.
This is the 1st time over 30 years I am in position where a syndi ticket is a personally viable financial purchase. Only a fortnight ago I purchased said ticket..I now find myself unable to either fish it or even walk around it..Its a sickening situation to be in .
Driving home from work this afternoon ( Im classed as an essential worker ) it was alarming to see people out and about as if nothing was wrong....Dog walkers...Families in a park...families out for bike rides who fail the 2m gap by a furlong! What part of distancing DONT they grasp...its this continually moronic behaviour which could lead to further draconian measures...TOTAL LOCKDOWN as per Italy and or troops on the streets possibly acting with less restraint than our Police would demonstrate.
Think Laneys post was spot on tbh. He has contractual obligations to fulfil through his fishing but has decided to step back until things calm down.
I have no idea how many on here actually properly remember the close season as it was..be interesting to see. I agree it would be quite nice to rediscover a 'new June 16th' whenever that is. Like most of us I take it for granted that I can go dangling whenever I want these days.
Andy
This is the 1st time over 30 years I am in position where a syndi ticket is a personally viable financial purchase. Only a fortnight ago I purchased said ticket..I now find myself unable to either fish it or even walk around it..Its a sickening situation to be in .
Driving home from work this afternoon ( Im classed as an essential worker ) it was alarming to see people out and about as if nothing was wrong....Dog walkers...Families in a park...families out for bike rides who fail the 2m gap by a furlong! What part of distancing DONT they grasp...its this continually moronic behaviour which could lead to further draconian measures...TOTAL LOCKDOWN as per Italy and or troops on the streets possibly acting with less restraint than our Police would demonstrate.
Think Laneys post was spot on tbh. He has contractual obligations to fulfil through his fishing but has decided to step back until things calm down.
I have no idea how many on here actually properly remember the close season as it was..be interesting to see. I agree it would be quite nice to rediscover a 'new June 16th' whenever that is. Like most of us I take it for granted that I can go dangling whenever I want these days.
Andy
In reply to Post #127
Remember the close season? My main waters still have it. It didn't go away for a lot of people. I still remember being astonished when my mate told me that canals weren't going to have to shut anymore.
Remember the close season? My main waters still have it. It didn't go away for a lot of people. I still remember being astonished when my mate told me that canals weren't going to have to shut anymore.
In reply to Post #128
I only ask as I haven't fished a venue with a close season in donkeys years,also the number of youngsters on recently into angling in general probably wouldn't know anything about it!
I only ask as I haven't fished a venue with a close season in donkeys years,also the number of youngsters on recently into angling in general probably wouldn't know anything about it!
In reply to Post #129
2001 - Foot and Mouth - angling, walking in parks etc all stopped to protect livestock and agriculture - everyone followed the guidelines
2020 - COVID 19 - non essential activities stopped to protect the elderly and vulnerable - half of us still think its ok to golf and fish etc
Sad to see how our attitudes have changed in only 20 years........!!!!!!
2001 - Foot and Mouth - angling, walking in parks etc all stopped to protect livestock and agriculture - everyone followed the guidelines
2020 - COVID 19 - non essential activities stopped to protect the elderly and vulnerable - half of us still think its ok to golf and fish etc
Sad to see how our attitudes have changed in only 20 years........!!!!!!
In reply to Post #127
Dog walkers...Families in a park...families out for bike rides who fail the 2m gap by a furlong! What part of distancing DONT they grasp...
All "permitted activities" and how does a family with kids manage distancing? Family groups still allowed as far as I know.
Why not think before labelling people morons from your nice high horse, which seems to have a tilt to the right.
Dog walkers...Families in a park...families out for bike rides who fail the 2m gap by a furlong! What part of distancing DONT they grasp...
All "permitted activities" and how does a family with kids manage distancing? Family groups still allowed as far as I know.
Why not think before labelling people morons from your nice high horse, which seems to have a tilt to the right.
FFS will everyone in here stop with the billy big ******** I'm more isolated than you ****!
Its 3 weeks but probably longer so get used to it. Ive got a 12 week sentence and haven't even thought about going fishing or even cleaning my gear.
My father is 93 and has walked to the local farm shop every morning for papers and milk for 30 years. I took an hour to talk him out of he went this morning and asked if they could deliver. No problems Reg stay safe!
His argument was he's had a long life but when pointed out at the end its not only his life but my mother realisation dawned! If he can change and adapt so can you!
So stay safe the fish will still be there in the summer and mad for a bit of bait.
Hopefully we won't have the off grid guesting for kudos brigade acting like pratts.
Its 3 weeks but probably longer so get used to it. Ive got a 12 week sentence and haven't even thought about going fishing or even cleaning my gear.
My father is 93 and has walked to the local farm shop every morning for papers and milk for 30 years. I took an hour to talk him out of he went this morning and asked if they could deliver. No problems Reg stay safe!
His argument was he's had a long life but when pointed out at the end its not only his life but my mother realisation dawned! If he can change and adapt so can you!
So stay safe the fish will still be there in the summer and mad for a bit of bait.
Hopefully we won't have the off grid guesting for kudos brigade acting like pratts.
In reply to Post #1
What's happening at the various syndicates then,if they're closed are they offering people refunds or reductions ?
What's happening at the various syndicates then,if they're closed are they offering people refunds or reductions ?
In reply to Post #133
Why would they? You wouldn't get it when flooded, after a fish kill etc
Why would they? You wouldn't get it when flooded, after a fish kill etc
In reply to Post #133
I'd have thought it's just a fact of life and members would just put up with it. Leases still need to be paid for. Stock still need paying for, swim building, tree work will all still need to be done in the coming season. I always look as the money I pay for syndicate tickets as the funds to keep the club running, with the bonus that I get to fish it occasionally thrown in. If I based my tickets on whether I actually used them, I'd probably drop at least two of the three. But the way I see it I'm the perfect member, I pay my subs each year, do all my work parties, attend the agm, then don't actually fish them. To survive they'll still need all our subs.
I'd have thought it's just a fact of life and members would just put up with it. Leases still need to be paid for. Stock still need paying for, swim building, tree work will all still need to be done in the coming season. I always look as the money I pay for syndicate tickets as the funds to keep the club running, with the bonus that I get to fish it occasionally thrown in. If I based my tickets on whether I actually used them, I'd probably drop at least two of the three. But the way I see it I'm the perfect member, I pay my subs each year, do all my work parties, attend the agm, then don't actually fish them. To survive they'll still need all our subs.
In reply to Post #135
The syndicate I am on and bailiff has shut down for the 3 initial weeks.
Statement from the fishery manager put out to the members regarding membership is:-
"If the situation continues into the season then memberships will be extended into next season pro-rata."
We don't have a close season as such. The season runs May 1st to end of March but if you do two work parties over the winter you can fish the April.
Message only sent out over the last couple of hours on our FB and WhatsApp group and no-one disagreeing or complaining so far.
The syndicate I am on and bailiff has shut down for the 3 initial weeks.
Statement from the fishery manager put out to the members regarding membership is:-
"If the situation continues into the season then memberships will be extended into next season pro-rata."
We don't have a close season as such. The season runs May 1st to end of March but if you do two work parties over the winter you can fish the April.
Message only sent out over the last couple of hours on our FB and WhatsApp group and no-one disagreeing or complaining so far.
In reply to Post #133
Who in the syndicate is going to refund you.
Who in the syndicate is going to refund you.
In reply to Post #135
I am positive that Anglian Water are extending permit life by the close down period, yet not all syndicate or season ticket fisheries will be able to afford to.
This social distancing, I'm again sure that some of the groups I have seen together are not family groups, not when they split up and go different ways when they finish their dog walk. A couple of guys earlier today, as I tied my dog up outside the shop, again, no social distance between them, mates getting close exactly as they would if they hadn't seen each other for a while.
On the Coronavirus itself, there have been many people who had a minor cold or case of flu, or even showed no symptoms. A headache, sniffles, dry cough, pretty much what you get with any flu, or absolutely nothing, yet because symptoms are or were so mild were not tested, and they recovered. Yet sadly their mother or father who has had a lung disease previously unknown or had underlying conditions died, and the cause has been reported as Coronavirus. There are very few that Coronavirus or Covid-19 has killed directly.
Please don't think me flippant or uncaring, I do care.
I worry for my daughter who is an essential worker, she is a Care Home Manager. The people she has to care for, what she must be facing every day. Every NHS worker, every shop staff worker, lorry driver who is at risk. Even worse is some of these, those who have been infected, but have no symptoms, could still be passing it on.
The current estimate from Scientist.org I think it is, is that in the UK the Coronavirus will be responsible for 1,400 more deaths than 'usual' in UK. Yet the seasonal flu is responsible for around 6-8,500 each year.
I am not of the opinion that the current lockdown is best for the health of all of us, I think it is possibly being used to get Coronavirus spread, so we get some immunity from future outbreaks. How many people in your circle are infected? your circle includes your shop staff as well as your family or lockdown group. Do they have symptoms? Is that a smokers cough or a dry cough...
Many, many people could self-isolate or reduce their risk of infection, by going fishing, by hiding in their mountain hut, or by total quarantine, total self-isolation in their home as per 'monsieur le gamer' .
Adding in any needing to leave the house, you add risk.
I know many people who like being on their own away from the world, it is a habit.
Sadly because guidelines put forward by the government, for whatever reason, were ignored, we have been put on lockdown.
I am positive that Anglian Water are extending permit life by the close down period, yet not all syndicate or season ticket fisheries will be able to afford to.
This social distancing, I'm again sure that some of the groups I have seen together are not family groups, not when they split up and go different ways when they finish their dog walk. A couple of guys earlier today, as I tied my dog up outside the shop, again, no social distance between them, mates getting close exactly as they would if they hadn't seen each other for a while.
On the Coronavirus itself, there have been many people who had a minor cold or case of flu, or even showed no symptoms. A headache, sniffles, dry cough, pretty much what you get with any flu, or absolutely nothing, yet because symptoms are or were so mild were not tested, and they recovered. Yet sadly their mother or father who has had a lung disease previously unknown or had underlying conditions died, and the cause has been reported as Coronavirus. There are very few that Coronavirus or Covid-19 has killed directly.
Please don't think me flippant or uncaring, I do care.
I worry for my daughter who is an essential worker, she is a Care Home Manager. The people she has to care for, what she must be facing every day. Every NHS worker, every shop staff worker, lorry driver who is at risk. Even worse is some of these, those who have been infected, but have no symptoms, could still be passing it on.
The current estimate from Scientist.org I think it is, is that in the UK the Coronavirus will be responsible for 1,400 more deaths than 'usual' in UK. Yet the seasonal flu is responsible for around 6-8,500 each year.
I am not of the opinion that the current lockdown is best for the health of all of us, I think it is possibly being used to get Coronavirus spread, so we get some immunity from future outbreaks. How many people in your circle are infected? your circle includes your shop staff as well as your family or lockdown group. Do they have symptoms? Is that a smokers cough or a dry cough...
Many, many people could self-isolate or reduce their risk of infection, by going fishing, by hiding in their mountain hut, or by total quarantine, total self-isolation in their home as per 'monsieur le gamer' .
Adding in any needing to leave the house, you add risk.
I know many people who like being on their own away from the world, it is a habit.
Sadly because guidelines put forward by the government, for whatever reason, were ignored, we have been put on lockdown.
In reply to Post #134
So if you'd booked a holiday or say a ticket to a concert and now can't go would you be happy to lose your money ?
I watch ice hockey and this season got cancelled with 5 out of 27 season ticket home games left unplayed, but you can claim that missing ticket money back pro rata.
Presumably the same would apply to football if the season didn't finish.
I don't see the difference just because it's fishing.
So if you'd booked a holiday or say a ticket to a concert and now can't go would you be happy to lose your money ?
I watch ice hockey and this season got cancelled with 5 out of 27 season ticket home games left unplayed, but you can claim that missing ticket money back pro rata.
Presumably the same would apply to football if the season didn't finish.
I don't see the difference just because it's fishing.
In reply to Post #139
I was a member of a local golf club for a number of years, the cost of membership was a lot, (and I do mean a LOT), more expensive than any syndicate.
During the winter months the course could be closed for weeks, sometimes a month or two if the weather was particularly bad. We didn't get refunds, nor expect them. It was just "one of those things"....
I was a member of a local golf club for a number of years, the cost of membership was a lot, (and I do mean a LOT), more expensive than any syndicate.
During the winter months the course could be closed for weeks, sometimes a month or two if the weather was particularly bad. We didn't get refunds, nor expect them. It was just "one of those things"....
In reply to Post #132
Spot on. Do as your told for xxxx sake.
Spot on. Do as your told for xxxx sake.
In reply to Post #141
Told by who? The government. or you and the other poster who clearly thinks he has the biggest Billy b******s and the best isolation story, contradicting the point I think he was trying to make
Told by who? The government. or you and the other poster who clearly thinks he has the biggest Billy b******s and the best isolation story, contradicting the point I think he was trying to make
In reply to Post #142
He was right though, this is likely to be months not weeks, and I admire the resolve of the people on here who say that they are not going to get in their car for any reason other than the shops.
For probably 3 months they are just going to do the same little walk round the block where they live every day, never tempted to get in the car and go somewhere a bit different or nicer if they know a place where they can avoid all contact with anyone
As time goes on mental health will become a bigger issue, no matter how nice your family and home is, everyone will struggle being couped up for months
He was right though, this is likely to be months not weeks, and I admire the resolve of the people on here who say that they are not going to get in their car for any reason other than the shops.
For probably 3 months they are just going to do the same little walk round the block where they live every day, never tempted to get in the car and go somewhere a bit different or nicer if they know a place where they can avoid all contact with anyone
As time goes on mental health will become a bigger issue, no matter how nice your family and home is, everyone will struggle being couped up for months
In reply to Post #143
I have a nice little river a 10 minute walk from home, give it 3 weeks and I might be sorely tempted to have an hour at dawn.
I'm still able to work but my Mrs is stuck home with the kids, right now I have to put there needs first
I have a nice little river a 10 minute walk from home, give it 3 weeks and I might be sorely tempted to have an hour at dawn.
I'm still able to work but my Mrs is stuck home with the kids, right now I have to put there needs first
In reply to Post #144
arent rivers closed
arent rivers closed
In reply to Post #143
It will be weeks if people listen to the guidelines but unfortunately they don't seem to be
It will be weeks if people listen to the guidelines but unfortunately they don't seem to be
In reply to Post #146
Not when millions of people are still having to go into work it won't be! We are ****ed for many months to come at best
Not when millions of people are still having to go into work it won't be! We are ****ed for many months to come at best
In reply to Post #147
Does not help when bellends are sunbathing in parks,If it carries on this way we won't recover.
Does not help when bellends are sunbathing in parks,If it carries on this way we won't recover.
I've just been past a large factory near where I work. The boss is an absolute toss piece apparently. He uses as many Eastern European's as he can so he can bully them and pay them minimum wages. He buses then in to work in minibuses. There was a group of at least 50 people standing outside waiting for their transportation at shift change. I've actually seen with my own eyes the boarder force raiding his factory. You think a guy who cares so little about his own staff is gonna shut of his own accord? No chance. It's selfish pigs like him who will end up either getting us even stricter lockdowns with curfews etc or dragging it on for months.
Trouble is he's laughing as it makes flatbreads for Indian food so he will claim his factory Is a key supplier. I bet he's already doubling his prices
Trouble is he's laughing as it makes flatbreads for Indian food so he will claim his factory Is a key supplier. I bet he's already doubling his prices
In reply to Post #143
Yes i will do whatever im told by goverment at this critical time. What bit of stay at home dont you get? Non essential travel? If you want to flout the advice thats down to you...id call that being stupid but hey ho your entitled to your veiws....as are we all.
Yes i will do whatever im told by goverment at this critical time. What bit of stay at home dont you get? Non essential travel? If you want to flout the advice thats down to you...id call that being stupid but hey ho your entitled to your veiws....as are we all.
In reply to Post #139
I haven't lost my money, the sindycate is still there, I'm still a member and free to go soon as the government say its OK. One thing I will say though, I am positive nobody will ask for a refund or parcial refund, they will renew next year and for as long as they are physically capable.
I haven't lost my money, the sindycate is still there, I'm still a member and free to go soon as the government say its OK. One thing I will say though, I am positive nobody will ask for a refund or parcial refund, they will renew next year and for as long as they are physically capable.
In reply to Post #150
I get you, I do. I'm lucky I work from home so have been able to stay isolated a lot more than a lot of people can, and only go out for essential shopping.
When I read through this thread there are some great messages, but it won't all appeal to everyone. For example, there are a lot of young anglers out there, teenagers in general don't respond well to the bullying pack mentality of an older generation telling them to do as they're told. Often it has the opposite effect.
Some people will have the resolve and support not to go out for anything except food for 6 months, but not many. Luckily they're are lots on here. They're not going to get in the car to go fishing, nor are they going to pop for a non-essential shop because their family is losing their s**t and everyone needs a chocolate /sweet pick me up.
They're also not going to increase the demand for other people to travel around, by ordering stuff from amazon to keep them and their family occupied while couped up at home.
I do believe there is some room for maintaining one's sanity and being better able to remain strong for those around us. If the areas you might go to are busy then obviously they should be avoided. If the guy earlier wants to walk 10 minutes to his local river and sees no-one along the way he's had his mental boost with less risk than someone going to the co-op for a chocolate bar or meeting one friend at a time for a walk. The same could be said for a syndicate lake where people are 30 yards away from each other
I get you, I do. I'm lucky I work from home so have been able to stay isolated a lot more than a lot of people can, and only go out for essential shopping.
When I read through this thread there are some great messages, but it won't all appeal to everyone. For example, there are a lot of young anglers out there, teenagers in general don't respond well to the bullying pack mentality of an older generation telling them to do as they're told. Often it has the opposite effect.
Some people will have the resolve and support not to go out for anything except food for 6 months, but not many. Luckily they're are lots on here. They're not going to get in the car to go fishing, nor are they going to pop for a non-essential shop because their family is losing their s**t and everyone needs a chocolate /sweet pick me up.
They're also not going to increase the demand for other people to travel around, by ordering stuff from amazon to keep them and their family occupied while couped up at home.
I do believe there is some room for maintaining one's sanity and being better able to remain strong for those around us. If the areas you might go to are busy then obviously they should be avoided. If the guy earlier wants to walk 10 minutes to his local river and sees no-one along the way he's had his mental boost with less risk than someone going to the co-op for a chocolate bar or meeting one friend at a time for a walk. The same could be said for a syndicate lake where people are 30 yards away from each other
Have a look on Netflix at my secret terrius season 1 episode 10 at 53 minutes for 6 minutes or so.It was filmed 2 years ago.A little bit spooky
In reply to Post #152
Yes mate defo see what your saying on all counts. Just think its time for everyone to do the biz and help keep the deaths down by trying to take tbe advice we are being giving. Think seeing a few of our leading lights condoning poaching and going fishing has annoyed me although in the main anglers are conforming. Mental health defo an issue with out a doubt because even thoughs who have no issues are going up the wall let alone those of us that do! Lol good luck and stay sane m8!
Yes mate defo see what your saying on all counts. Just think its time for everyone to do the biz and help keep the deaths down by trying to take tbe advice we are being giving. Think seeing a few of our leading lights condoning poaching and going fishing has annoyed me although in the main anglers are conforming. Mental health defo an issue with out a doubt because even thoughs who have no issues are going up the wall let alone those of us that do! Lol good luck and stay sane m8!
In reply to Post #154
You thinking of getting the quill and ink out Micky whilst there's no angling
You thinking of getting the quill and ink out Micky whilst there's no angling
In reply to Post #145
I could fluff chuck for the trout, but I suspect the close season will be over by the time we're out of this.
I also said I'd be sorely tempted, not that I will
I could fluff chuck for the trout, but I suspect the close season will be over by the time we're out of this.
I also said I'd be sorely tempted, not that I will
In reply to Post #152
The bullying pack mentality of an older generation". What are you on? People have had two weeks of continuous requests and reminders to be sensible, compassionate and responsible and a considerable number in all age groups have rejected this. These are the self centred, swaggering, bullying, know it all of all generations. People who are so soft and spoiled that they don't believe the world is a real place with real consequences.
The bullying pack mentality of an older generation". What are you on? People have had two weeks of continuous requests and reminders to be sensible, compassionate and responsible and a considerable number in all age groups have rejected this. These are the self centred, swaggering, bullying, know it all of all generations. People who are so soft and spoiled that they don't believe the world is a real place with real consequences.
In reply to Post #157
I agree.
I agree.
In reply to Post #157
Well put and succinct rather than my rambling early input. I apologise for that! Lets all stay safe and get through this.
Oh for a brexit or Delkim v Fox thread
Well put and succinct rather than my rambling early input. I apologise for that! Lets all stay safe and get through this.
Oh for a brexit or Delkim v Fox thread
In reply to Post #157
Agreed but as you say will go unheeded by many
Agreed but as you say will go unheeded by many
In reply to Post #157
These are the cocks that caused panic buying 
These are the cocks that caused panic buying
In reply to Post #161
I had to queue 6ft apart for 30 mins to get into Morrison's today. However at least there were items on the shelves to buy, unlike last week.
I had to queue 6ft apart for 30 mins to get into Morrison's today. However at least there were items on the shelves to buy, unlike last week.
Try to put your scepticism to one side and listen to this.
https://youtu.be/cq_iq2cxpf8
https://youtu.be/cq_iq2cxpf8
And if this ****ing antiquated site dragged itself into the 21st century posting links would be a cinch.
Flights to Spain and Italy this morning, less tube trains to discourage travel meaning people cramming onto fewer carriages, Cheltenham Gold Cup still went ahead, WTF is going on?
Flights to Spain and Italy this morning, less tube trains to discourage travel meaning people cramming onto fewer carriages, Cheltenham Gold Cup still went ahead, WTF is going on?
In reply to Post #164
Nope still with Queen Victoria
And I don't mean Eastenders 🤣🤣🤣
Linky No Worky
Nope still with Queen Victoria
And I don't mean Eastenders 🤣🤣🤣
Linky No Worky
In reply to Post #154
Cheers m8. Let's hope in 3 weeks time if everyone can be sensible we can start to go back to normal, but I think it's going to get harder before our gets easier
Good luck to you to though
Cheers m8. Let's hope in 3 weeks time if everyone can be sensible we can start to go back to normal, but I think it's going to get harder before our gets easier
Good luck to you to though
In reply to Post #165
Amended minus the Zuckerberg deceit.
Amended minus the Zuckerberg deceit.
In reply to Post #166
I hope you're right but I reckon it will be longer as people aren't doing what they are supposed to be doing.
I hope you're right but I reckon it will be longer as people aren't doing what they are supposed to be doing.
In reply to Post #164
Ongoing Cluster****
Shut fecking Construction down Now
Will solve the London issue
Ongoing Cluster****
Shut fecking Construction down Now
Will solve the London issue
In reply to Post #168
In reply to Post #170
My cousin is working on a big site in London. Even though he's self employed he told me three days ago he'd like the site shut down. He said no one was taking any notice of the distancing rules, he'd seen guys spitting on the floor and he reckoned half the blokes on his site never wash their hands even after using the loo, then go into the canteen at break time. I wouldn't want to be on a tube train with them on a normal day, let alone during a pandemic. Couple that with the fact that loads of them pile into the same cars to get to site cos parking is at a premium and you see why it's a disaster waiting to happen.
There was a guy on the radio this morning apparently who called in to say he had it, but was still travelling to work on the tube to his building job. They should hunt that ****er down and lock him up. The sooner they shut down all non essential businesses the better. Not just sites, but all factories that ain't making essential goods. My mate told me today one of his friends is still going to the factory where he's employed, they make TV cables, how the **** is that an essential business?
This will get very much worse and go on very much longer unless these morons are simply forced to stay at home. I'm self employed. I'm losing money every day but I'm not gonna take the piss that's for sure.
My cousin is working on a big site in London. Even though he's self employed he told me three days ago he'd like the site shut down. He said no one was taking any notice of the distancing rules, he'd seen guys spitting on the floor and he reckoned half the blokes on his site never wash their hands even after using the loo, then go into the canteen at break time. I wouldn't want to be on a tube train with them on a normal day, let alone during a pandemic. Couple that with the fact that loads of them pile into the same cars to get to site cos parking is at a premium and you see why it's a disaster waiting to happen.
There was a guy on the radio this morning apparently who called in to say he had it, but was still travelling to work on the tube to his building job. They should hunt that ****er down and lock him up. The sooner they shut down all non essential businesses the better. Not just sites, but all factories that ain't making essential goods. My mate told me today one of his friends is still going to the factory where he's employed, they make TV cables, how the **** is that an essential business?
This will get very much worse and go on very much longer unless these morons are simply forced to stay at home. I'm self employed. I'm losing money every day but I'm not gonna take the piss that's for sure.
In reply to Post #172
In fact I'd go a stage further and say we should require a permit to travel. Like they've done in Italy and France if people won't respect the rules.
A 21 year old girl with no medical conditions died from it today. A 35 year old guy as well apparently. When are these thick as **** people gonna wise up and take some notice.
In fact I'd go a stage further and say we should require a permit to travel. Like they've done in Italy and France if people won't respect the rules.
A 21 year old girl with no medical conditions died from it today. A 35 year old guy as well apparently. When are these thick as **** people gonna wise up and take some notice.
In reply to Post #172
Seen loads of 2m Peter infringements
People just don't get it Sitting alongside each other at lunch FFS
Working too close
Travelling on tubes and trains TOO close
Despite Countless warnings
I understand WHy peeps continue
Government says it's OK
No work No PAY
Who pays the Rent / mortgage ?
Despite promises? You ain't getting paid guys
But what's a few construction workers deaths matter in the grand scheme of things
Seen loads of 2m Peter infringements
People just don't get it Sitting alongside each other at lunch FFS
Working too close
Travelling on tubes and trains TOO close
Despite Countless warnings
I understand WHy peeps continue
Government says it's OK
No work No PAY
Who pays the Rent / mortgage ?
Despite promises? You ain't getting paid guys
But what's a few construction workers deaths matter in the grand scheme of things
In reply to Post #173
Calling people morons because they are going to work is a bit harsh. A lot don't have much of a choice, go work or don't get paid and maybe lose your job...
Calling people morons because they are going to work is a bit harsh. A lot don't have much of a choice, go work or don't get paid and maybe lose your job...
In reply to Post #174
It's going one of two ways
It's either overblown panic over nothing
OR a ****storm brewing
It's going one of two ways
It's either overblown panic over nothing
OR a ****storm brewing
In reply to Post #176
****storm brewing,all because people are not listening
****storm brewing,all because people are not listening
In reply to Post #166
Be lucky if it's 3 months let alone 3 weeks
Be lucky if it's 3 months let alone 3 weeks
In reply to Post #174
But what's a few construction workers deaths matter in the grand scheme of things
Chances are the construction workers like most people will get over this virus, the problem is they can pass it onto others and some of them might die. You will never know if you have done this but can you live with a clear conscience?
But what's a few construction workers deaths matter in the grand scheme of things
Chances are the construction workers like most people will get over this virus, the problem is they can pass it onto others and some of them might die. You will never know if you have done this but can you live with a clear conscience?
In reply to Post #178
How long did it take Wuhan to start recovering and I'm sure Italy are now seeing less of an increase in cases.The only reason it should take months here is because of the selfish attitude of some
How long did it take Wuhan to start recovering and I'm sure Italy are now seeing less of an increase in cases.The only reason it should take months here is because of the selfish attitude of some
In reply to Post #180
Is China recovering? They kept things under wraps for at least a month at the start. Are they still testing for infection, do we know? No tests = no reported cases.
I'm not tin foil hatting, genuine questions.
It's either a global threat or it isn't. Tube trains packed, flights between lockdown countries and the UK, some mass gatherings banned, others not... I'm seriously ****ed off with the lack of clarity here.
Is China recovering? They kept things under wraps for at least a month at the start. Are they still testing for infection, do we know? No tests = no reported cases.
I'm not tin foil hatting, genuine questions.
It's either a global threat or it isn't. Tube trains packed, flights between lockdown countries and the UK, some mass gatherings banned, others not... I'm seriously ****ed off with the lack of clarity here.
In reply to Post #181
I think that is what is causing most of the problems here.It feels like mixed messages.From what I'm seeing around here people are just not bothered and are carrying on with life as normal
I think that is what is causing most of the problems here.It feels like mixed messages.From what I'm seeing around here people are just not bothered and are carrying on with life as normal
In reply to Post #180
Upward spike sadly 😩
Upward spike sadly 😩
In reply to Post #182
TOO true
Can you work from home ?
Nope
Oh it's OK then travel to London from Where ever Then
Everyone else confined to barracks
TOO true
Can you work from home ?
Nope
Oh it's OK then travel to London from Where ever Then
Everyone else confined to barracks
In reply to Post #182
I know a few people and to be honest it's not a lot but they never bother with the news preferring a life of Sky Movies and Netflix. Maybe there's a whole group of people who are oblivious like this lot
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I know a few people and to be honest it's not a lot but they never bother with the news preferring a life of Sky Movies and Netflix. Maybe there's a whole group of people who are oblivious like this lot
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In reply to Post #172
Unfortunately I'm one of these 'morons' as you so eloquently put it that at present have to work. Admittedly I'm not on a building site as I'm in engineering supplying parts for what is essential equipment right now. Am i happy about being potentially exposed, absolutely not and believe you me i wouldn't be doing it if I didn't have to but needs must right now. The rest of the shop floor staff are all in the same unfortunate position right now but we are practicing the government guidelines regarding social distancing and cleanliness and I'm incredibly proud of the people around me who technically could have self isolated but have carried on as they know what they know what they are producing matters right now. I totally understand the other side of the argument and completely agree with the sentiments but i really don't think calling people morons is appropriate. Theres a good percentage of nhs people out there right now doing all they can knowingly at great risk to themselves helping the unfortunate victims of this horrible virus but you wouldn't call them morons would you.
Unfortunately I'm one of these 'morons' as you so eloquently put it that at present have to work. Admittedly I'm not on a building site as I'm in engineering supplying parts for what is essential equipment right now. Am i happy about being potentially exposed, absolutely not and believe you me i wouldn't be doing it if I didn't have to but needs must right now. The rest of the shop floor staff are all in the same unfortunate position right now but we are practicing the government guidelines regarding social distancing and cleanliness and I'm incredibly proud of the people around me who technically could have self isolated but have carried on as they know what they know what they are producing matters right now. I totally understand the other side of the argument and completely agree with the sentiments but i really don't think calling people morons is appropriate. Theres a good percentage of nhs people out there right now doing all they can knowingly at great risk to themselves helping the unfortunate victims of this horrible virus but you wouldn't call them morons would you.
In reply to Post #172
The vast majority of these “morons” would happily stay at home on 80% wages (or whatever deal is offered to the self-employed tomorrow) but Boris is more interested in the economy, so he won't give the order for them to close, plus the bosses of such businesses have their hands tied by shareholders and/or owners. The net result is that people are forced to go into work.
It'll be interesting as this develops politically, as I have little doubt there will be calls from some quarters that the Tory party have blood on their hands. And rightly so. Give a clear order, all genuinely non-essential businesses to close, end of. Anything else is profit before people.
The vast majority of these “morons” would happily stay at home on 80% wages (or whatever deal is offered to the self-employed tomorrow) but Boris is more interested in the economy, so he won't give the order for them to close, plus the bosses of such businesses have their hands tied by shareholders and/or owners. The net result is that people are forced to go into work.
It'll be interesting as this develops politically, as I have little doubt there will be calls from some quarters that the Tory party have blood on their hands. And rightly so. Give a clear order, all genuinely non-essential businesses to close, end of. Anything else is profit before people.
In reply to Post #186
I'm in engineering supplying parts for what is essential equipment right now
If that's the case then the moron tag doesn't apply to you just like it doesn't apply to NHS staff providing essential services.
I'm in engineering supplying parts for what is essential equipment right now
If that's the case then the moron tag doesn't apply to you just like it doesn't apply to NHS staff providing essential services.
In reply to Post #187
He hasn't yet given the orders, if he gives orders from the outset he will be called an authoritarian and so has asked people to do the right thing and for a short while he was applauded by many for the way things have been handled.
Asking isn't working so maybe now is the time to start ordering people about?
He hasn't yet given the orders, if he gives orders from the outset he will be called an authoritarian and so has asked people to do the right thing and for a short while he was applauded by many for the way things have been handled.
Asking isn't working so maybe now is the time to start ordering people about?
In reply to Post #173
I produced the required proof in letters for my team today to keep on them in case there is a requirement to prove their need to be travelling.
Job done.
My team and I are key workers.
I produced the required proof in letters for my team today to keep on them in case there is a requirement to prove their need to be travelling.
Job done.
My team and I are key workers.
If you read my post you'll see I was referring to people ignoring social distancing, ignoring basic hygiene, spitting on floors and admitting they are travelling on packed tube trains when they have been confirmed as having covid19 as morons. Not people travelling for essential work.
I'm self employed. I'm still working but I'm doing it in accordance with the very clear rules. And they definitely don't state travel on public transport when you are sick!
I'm self employed. I'm still working but I'm doing it in accordance with the very clear rules. And they definitely don't state travel on public transport when you are sick!
In reply to Post #155
Lol i will indeed mate! Lol or i might get with it and do a ranting blog type thingy although i may have to poke fun at several modern day trends.... tuitions...perch fishing...blogs...oh the list would be endless... all tongue in cheek i hasten to add! Lol
Lol i will indeed mate! Lol or i might get with it and do a ranting blog type thingy although i may have to poke fun at several modern day trends.... tuitions...perch fishing...blogs...oh the list would be endless... all tongue in cheek i hasten to add! Lol
In reply to Post #180
Or because Boris hasn't done a proper lock down so it will still be getting transmitted by those at work
Or because Boris hasn't done a proper lock down so it will still be getting transmitted by those at work
In reply to Post #193
Isn't it the aim to try and slow the spread so as not to overwhelm the NHS?
Isn't it the aim to try and slow the spread so as not to overwhelm the NHS?
In reply to Post #194
How will stopping all work an isolating everyone not slow the spread? If you aren't mingling with others then it can't be spread. Virus don't spread themselves, we spread them.
How will stopping all work an isolating everyone not slow the spread? If you aren't mingling with others then it can't be spread. Virus don't spread themselves, we spread them.
Has there been any specific laws passed yet regarding fishing during Covid-19 , someone on my syndicate page is suggesting there has?
In reply to Post #196
Who gives a *****, stay at home...
Who gives a *****, stay at home...
In reply to Post #196
Yes. It's called the law of not being a complete Hampton.
Tell your syndicate buddy that it's really simple. Rather than give a list of 50,0000 things you aren't allowed to do. They've given a short list of things you are allowed to do. Tell him to read that list and compare it to whatever he's considering doing, hang gliding, lion taming, organising a Druid festival, whatever it is, if it's not on the list then it's BANNED.
You might want to point him in the direction of www.am-i-being-a-bellend.com.
Yes. It's called the law of not being a complete Hampton.
Tell your syndicate buddy that it's really simple. Rather than give a list of 50,0000 things you aren't allowed to do. They've given a short list of things you are allowed to do. Tell him to read that list and compare it to whatever he's considering doing, hang gliding, lion taming, organising a Druid festival, whatever it is, if it's not on the list then it's BANNED.
You might want to point him in the direction of www.am-i-being-a-bellend.com.
In reply to Post #195
You said Boris hasn't done a proper lock down so it will spread, not just by those working, everyone has to shop and some will catch it that way, fuel pumps etc.
You said Boris hasn't done a proper lock down so it will spread, not just by those working, everyone has to shop and some will catch it that way, fuel pumps etc.
Loads are ignoring the warnings, saw loads of people parked at country locations today even ones with the car parks closed they were parking at the roadside and walking themselves or dogs. See a few out racing around in fast cars at stupid speeds as well.
In reply to Post #200
Apparently the police will have powers to stop people and make them account for their movements and fine them if they feel it's necessary.
I hope they start doing it straight away. Whilst we still have some time. My wife saw a group of young mums out today, strolling along in the sunshine, all their kids playing together.
She wound down the car window and asked them if they were thick as ****. They were all genuinely confused.
I give up. Fine um I say.
Apparently the police will have powers to stop people and make them account for their movements and fine them if they feel it's necessary.
I hope they start doing it straight away. Whilst we still have some time. My wife saw a group of young mums out today, strolling along in the sunshine, all their kids playing together.
She wound down the car window and asked them if they were thick as ****. They were all genuinely confused.
I give up. Fine um I say.
In reply to Post #201
That's the problem though,too many grey areas.So I'm allowed out with my wife and 3 children because we are from the same household.We can go a walk around the streets and to the park where there could be another 20 families doing the same.Its bull**** lockdown should be that only going out for food or keyworkers.There is plenty of ways to exercise inside the house or in your garden,too much rule bending will keep this going on for months not weeks
That's the problem though,too many grey areas.So I'm allowed out with my wife and 3 children because we are from the same household.We can go a walk around the streets and to the park where there could be another 20 families doing the same.Its bull**** lockdown should be that only going out for food or keyworkers.There is plenty of ways to exercise inside the house or in your garden,too much rule bending will keep this going on for months not weeks
In reply to Post #202
So you use common sense and don't go into the park, same as all the rest should have done when they saw one family already there.
They're not grey areas, it's easy.
So you use common sense and don't go into the park, same as all the rest should have done when they saw one family already there.
They're not grey areas, it's easy.
In reply to Post #199
Of course, but take workplaces out as much as possible will reduce the spread. Couple that with less work placed accidents will happen which again reduce workload on the NHS. Should have been done weeks ago before it was allowed to spread like it is.
Of course, but take workplaces out as much as possible will reduce the spread. Couple that with less work placed accidents will happen which again reduce workload on the NHS. Should have been done weeks ago before it was allowed to spread like it is.
In reply to Post #202
+1
+1
In reply to Post #203
Are you for real,people have even been travelling from Nottingham to go to parts of Staffordshire Moorlands,Astbury mere country park has been busier today than in the middle of summer.A lockdown should be keyworkers and 1 family member going to the supermarkets as little as possible.If anyone else is caught on the roads/streets they get fined.Too many people still carrying on as if nothing is happening
Are you for real,people have even been travelling from Nottingham to go to parts of Staffordshire Moorlands,Astbury mere country park has been busier today than in the middle of summer.A lockdown should be keyworkers and 1 family member going to the supermarkets as little as possible.If anyone else is caught on the roads/streets they get fined.Too many people still carrying on as if nothing is happening
In reply to Post #206
Tesco´s are doing the 1 person shopping thing, except when you queue up with your semi disabled wife (as I did today), wait in a queue for 1/2 hour and passed maybe 6 or 7 Tesco staff in control of the self isolation and then as you approach the entrance are informed that only 1 of you can go into the store, well that is not good planning. I was not impressed at all especially as I then witnessed quite a few couples, 1 adult with a teenager, a family of 5 (both adults in attendance), all allowed into the store. I did make a complaint politely and from that point people arriving and joining the queue were correctly advised, so well done on that, it wasn´t rocket science for Tesco´s to sort that out from the beginning, but obviously it was to apply it to everybody. Whilst waiting I tried to warn a few people about the restrictions in place, but some people just don´t want to play ball, "I am going to the pharmacy and he is doing the shopping", a couple in their 30´s obviously unable to multitask!
Tesco´s are doing the 1 person shopping thing, except when you queue up with your semi disabled wife (as I did today), wait in a queue for 1/2 hour and passed maybe 6 or 7 Tesco staff in control of the self isolation and then as you approach the entrance are informed that only 1 of you can go into the store, well that is not good planning. I was not impressed at all especially as I then witnessed quite a few couples, 1 adult with a teenager, a family of 5 (both adults in attendance), all allowed into the store. I did make a complaint politely and from that point people arriving and joining the queue were correctly advised, so well done on that, it wasn´t rocket science for Tesco´s to sort that out from the beginning, but obviously it was to apply it to everybody. Whilst waiting I tried to warn a few people about the restrictions in place, but some people just don´t want to play ball, "I am going to the pharmacy and he is doing the shopping", a couple in their 30´s obviously unable to multitask!
In reply to Post #207
I'm doing the shopping in the morning and getting an elderly couple across the road their's.It could be interesting if I encounter any selfish bellends as I'm not the most patient of people when it comes to people like that.Just been reading strict rationing could be coming very soon due to these panic buying *****s
I'm doing the shopping in the morning and getting an elderly couple across the road their's.It could be interesting if I encounter any selfish bellends as I'm not the most patient of people when it comes to people like that.Just been reading strict rationing could be coming very soon due to these panic buying *****s
In reply to Post #208
Currently those taking the pee face a colossal fine of £30, rediculous, many I have seen today parking up for a walk in the woods have been pensioners.
Currently those taking the pee face a colossal fine of £30, rediculous, many I have seen today parking up for a walk in the woods have been pensioners.
In reply to Post #208
There's a real difference in attitude among people, some have been able to work from home, retired or whatever, staying in a bubble, and getting a solid message. stay at home. Only go out when you really need to.
Others tho, the message is less clear, stay at home, unless you have to go to work, not just key workers but any job in an industry that hasn't yet been shut down. Oh and you can go out to exercise. Only shop for essentials, but feel free to order what you like online, meaning warehouse staff and delivery drivers tke more risks so you can have that trampoline to shut your kids up for 5 minutes
There's a real difference in attitude among people, some have been able to work from home, retired or whatever, staying in a bubble, and getting a solid message. stay at home. Only go out when you really need to.
Others tho, the message is less clear, stay at home, unless you have to go to work, not just key workers but any job in an industry that hasn't yet been shut down. Oh and you can go out to exercise. Only shop for essentials, but feel free to order what you like online, meaning warehouse staff and delivery drivers tke more risks so you can have that trampoline to shut your kids up for 5 minutes
In reply to Post #210
You don't happen to know if those trampolines work on wives do you? If so I think they might sell out pretty fast. Most blokes I know would love to shut their old woman up for five minutes.
You don't happen to know if those trampolines work on wives do you? If so I think they might sell out pretty fast. Most blokes I know would love to shut their old woman up for five minutes.
In reply to Post #210
That's why this lockdown is ******** and to read all you get is a £30 fine is pathetic.I understand people need to make a living,I do too and so does my wife who is self employed but is it really worth costing people their lives
That's why this lockdown is ******** and to read all you get is a £30 fine is pathetic.I understand people need to make a living,I do too and so does my wife who is self employed but is it really worth costing people their lives
In reply to Post #211
They cover the freshly dug soil well
If you can't bring yourself to do that just wait till she's bouncing really high, then lift one side to make her your neighbours problem
They cover the freshly dug soil well
If you can't bring yourself to do that just wait till she's bouncing really high, then lift one side to make her your neighbours problem
In reply to Post #212
I agree mate, I'm still going to work but my family are locked up. I could get it and infect them all before I'd even know.
No help from the government till June so I have to work while I can.
I agree mate, I'm still going to work but my family are locked up. I could get it and infect them all before I'd even know.
No help from the government till June so I have to work while I can.
In reply to Post #133
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In reply to Post #214
Why June?That seems strange or are they hoping we will all be back to work by then so have to payout less
Why June?That seems strange or are they hoping we will all be back to work by then so have to payout less
In reply to Post #216
It'll take them that long to get the ball rolling, by which time people will be up **** creek..
I expect work will pick up again soon because the country can't afford not to
The whole situation could change when the antibody tests come in, I bet 000s have had it
It'll take them that long to get the ball rolling, by which time people will be up **** creek..
I expect work will pick up again soon because the country can't afford not to
The whole situation could change when the antibody tests come in, I bet 000s have had it
In reply to Post #216
I dunno mate, I've tried to avoid the news so only caught that snippet, I know a few tradesmen looking to put the vans to use doing deliveries. We're allowed to work, supposed to work, but 90% of jobs just vanished, and half the jobs left you can't the materials
I dunno mate, I've tried to avoid the news so only caught that snippet, I know a few tradesmen looking to put the vans to use doing deliveries. We're allowed to work, supposed to work, but 90% of jobs just vanished, and half the jobs left you can't the materials
In reply to Post #216
like noj says - it'll take them that long to get it sorted. my understanding from the press conference is that HMRC will be dealing with it all and they only have a finite number of staff (along with it being financial year end too which is really unfortunate timing...)
it does seem that he (rishi) has come up with a fair system.
not perfect, but definitely a huge step in the right direction. bearing in mind he was thrown into the job only a matter of weeks ago i have to say i'm impressed with him - and i don't often say that about politicians!
like noj says - it'll take them that long to get it sorted. my understanding from the press conference is that HMRC will be dealing with it all and they only have a finite number of staff (along with it being financial year end too which is really unfortunate timing...)
it does seem that he (rishi) has come up with a fair system.
not perfect, but definitely a huge step in the right direction. bearing in mind he was thrown into the job only a matter of weeks ago i have to say i'm impressed with him - and i don't often say that about politicians!
In reply to Post #218
You are only supposed to work if you are a key worker.
You are only supposed to work if you are a key worker.
Both clubs I'm currently a member of have closed inline with the Government guidelines and rightly so, why take the risk.
We have seen social distancing & isolation being blatantly flouted even after being told over & over, embarrassing and totally irresponsible, though it comes as no surprise.
Feel for those who's firms/contractors have not closed, unless they have a few quid put by they are under enormous pressure to keep working until they are told otherwise.
All the best everyone and be as safe as you can.
We have seen social distancing & isolation being blatantly flouted even after being told over & over, embarrassing and totally irresponsible, though it comes as no surprise.
Feel for those who's firms/contractors have not closed, unless they have a few quid put by they are under enormous pressure to keep working until they are told otherwise.
All the best everyone and be as safe as you can.
my mrs just asked, if all theese fisherman who are still going fishing, if they catch something can the fish catch corona virus...its going to be a long lockdown with her I can see it.. 
In reply to Post #222
Fish can only catch the virus if anglers exchange body fluids with them.
Fish can only catch the virus if anglers exchange body fluids with them.
In reply to Post #220
Wrong
Wrong
In reply to Post #223
There are some on here that would.....
There are some on here that would.....
In reply to Post #220
Wrong, they say building works are key workers, they say manufacturering jobs are key workers. Really isn't the case unless building hospitals or making medical supplies or food etc
Wrong, they say building works are key workers, they say manufacturering jobs are key workers. Really isn't the case unless building hospitals or making medical supplies or food etc
In reply to Post #224
Not wrong, they have said it several times and have said there is a list of key workers.
Not wrong, they have said it several times and have said there is a list of key workers.
In reply to Post #227
You don't have to be a key worker to work as I understand it. Think about those working in manufacturing (they do not appear on the list). The specified key workers (healthcare, education, public services, food, government, utilities and transport) won't get very far if the equipment they need isn't available. Manufacturing has to carry on where possible.
You don't have to be a key worker to work as I understand it. Think about those working in manufacturing (they do not appear on the list). The specified key workers (healthcare, education, public services, food, government, utilities and transport) won't get very far if the equipment they need isn't available. Manufacturing has to carry on where possible.
In reply to Post #229
This is the issue I was having earlier in the week. I had several breakdowns to attend to but all the merchants were shut so I couldn't repair anything. Thankfully now most have opened with new safety measures in place. For instance at plumb centre we aren't allowed in branch. We log into our online accounts, pay for the materials up front, they pick the order, we call them from outside and they leave them outside the door for us.
It's not perfect but it allows us to get people's hot water and heating back on. But I won't be able to do that if the replacement parts aren't being manufactured.
This is the issue I was having earlier in the week. I had several breakdowns to attend to but all the merchants were shut so I couldn't repair anything. Thankfully now most have opened with new safety measures in place. For instance at plumb centre we aren't allowed in branch. We log into our online accounts, pay for the materials up front, they pick the order, we call them from outside and they leave them outside the door for us.
It's not perfect but it allows us to get people's hot water and heating back on. But I won't be able to do that if the replacement parts aren't being manufactured.
In reply to Post #231
Exactly. I'm still working (one of just 3 guys of a usual 65 left in our office now!) in manufacturing. We supply into medical devices amongst other things. We're not on the list of key workers but we can't stop.
Look at the F1 teams. They're hardly key workers but they're now temporarily manufacturing ventilators. They need to work.
Exactly. I'm still working (one of just 3 guys of a usual 65 left in our office now!) in manufacturing. We supply into medical devices amongst other things. We're not on the list of key workers but we can't stop.
Look at the F1 teams. They're hardly key workers but they're now temporarily manufacturing ventilators. They need to work.
In reply to Post #232
Manufacturing medical supply's is key regardless of normal business.
Manufacturing medical supply's is key regardless of normal business.
In reply to Post #233
I'm with you here Goose , key workers only , I'm self employed and have industrial jobs to complete , I also have loads of paperwork to do in an office but I'm staying home
I'm with you here Goose , key workers only , I'm self employed and have industrial jobs to complete , I also have loads of paperwork to do in an office but I'm staying home
In reply to Post #233
We're talking about the official list of key workers though buddy; healthcare, education, public services, food, government, utilities and transport.
No engineering manufacturers. No F1 teams.
At my place we don't manufacture medical supplies. We manufacture standard components that can be used in most industries. Some medical suppliers buy off-the-shelf from us. There is a difference.
The point I'm making is that workers outside the official list of key workers are allowed to work if they cannot work from home. It is permitted.
We're talking about the official list of key workers though buddy; healthcare, education, public services, food, government, utilities and transport.
No engineering manufacturers. No F1 teams.
At my place we don't manufacture medical supplies. We manufacture standard components that can be used in most industries. Some medical suppliers buy off-the-shelf from us. There is a difference.
The point I'm making is that workers outside the official list of key workers are allowed to work if they cannot work from home. It is permitted.
In reply to Post #235
It just illustrates what I said in post 210, to some the rules are clear and simple and morons everywhere are ignoring them, others have to go to work(if there is any) and the message from gov is carry on
It just illustrates what I said in post 210, to some the rules are clear and simple and morons everywhere are ignoring them, others have to go to work(if there is any) and the message from gov is carry on
In reply to Post #236
https://youtu.be/HlEFrbLeDks
https://youtu.be/HlEFrbLeDks
In reply to Post #237
For some reason the vid won't work.
For some reason the vid won't work.
In reply to Post #237
To travel to work where absolutely necessary
This has been clarified many times over by government and press, as well as many industry bodies
To travel to work where absolutely necessary
This has been clarified many times over by government and press, as well as many industry bodies
In reply to Post #239
All work is absolutely necessary in order to earn a living. This is where the country needs clarity.
All work is absolutely necessary in order to earn a living. This is where the country needs clarity.
In reply to Post #240
that's what the wage subsidy packages are for surely.
in the case of F1 teams as an example, making bits of Lewis Hamilton's car isn't essential, BUT, if they are now supporting the making of medical equipment then the need for them to work has shifted.
that's what the wage subsidy packages are for surely.
in the case of F1 teams as an example, making bits of Lewis Hamilton's car isn't essential, BUT, if they are now supporting the making of medical equipment then the need for them to work has shifted.
In reply to Post #241
Exactly buddy.
Exactly buddy.
In reply to Post #240
My brother is a scientist working on cattle, Bse , he's been given a letter stating he's a key worker for travel. A mate is a haz-chem tanker driver and so has he. Other people I know are working and have no letter. Definitely need clarity for the reason you mentioned.
My brother is a scientist working on cattle, Bse , he's been given a letter stating he's a key worker for travel. A mate is a haz-chem tanker driver and so has he. Other people I know are working and have no letter. Definitely need clarity for the reason you mentioned.
In reply to Post #243
Where did they get the letters? Their employer? I don't think it's from the government?
Unlike France there is currently no need for a letter in this country as far as I'm aware.
Where did they get the letters? Their employer? I don't think it's from the government?
Unlike France there is currently no need for a letter in this country as far as I'm aware.
In reply to Post #244
My employer is issuing us with letters in the next few days in case we get stopped by police travelling to and from work.
My employer is issuing us with letters in the next few days in case we get stopped by police travelling to and from work.
In reply to Post #245
I see.
There is actually no need - yet.
I see.
There is actually no need - yet.
In reply to Post #246
Yes mate the employer, I believe they approached the government for clarification if the employees were key workers and the answer was yes.
Yes mate the employer, I believe they approached the government for clarification if the employees were key workers and the answer was yes.
Boris has it now.
In reply to Post #248
This is what happens when you tell the country to stay 2m apart with your advisers 1m either side of you lol.
This is what happens when you tell the country to stay 2m apart with your advisers 1m either side of you lol.
My work has letters for us too......haven't bothered printing one yet although I'm not back until Monday.....
In reply to Post #244
Our letters were given to us by our employer, the letter states our names, the company business, what we supply and where we are supplying to, the place of work i have to travel to and the hours when it is open and hours we may travel.
The company believes we will need them
I am an engineer for a large food manufacturing company, before the key worker lists were announced we were told we would be classed as key and also others that make things for medical or just to keep services working (water gas etc)for these companies .
The enforced social distancing at work that started 2 weeks ago included queing outside with 2 metre gap, allowed in 1 at a time , have to sit at seperate tables during breaks, one entrance on site another off, the shift end times have changed so the shift leaving site will have left before the shift arriving
Our letters were given to us by our employer, the letter states our names, the company business, what we supply and where we are supplying to, the place of work i have to travel to and the hours when it is open and hours we may travel.
The company believes we will need them
I am an engineer for a large food manufacturing company, before the key worker lists were announced we were told we would be classed as key and also others that make things for medical or just to keep services working (water gas etc)for these companies .
The enforced social distancing at work that started 2 weeks ago included queing outside with 2 metre gap, allowed in 1 at a time , have to sit at seperate tables during breaks, one entrance on site another off, the shift end times have changed so the shift leaving site will have left before the shift arriving
In reply to Post #251
I think you will need the letter sooner or later mate.
I think you will need the letter sooner or later mate.
In reply to Post #192
Good
Micky's bed time carp stories blog might have mileage, nice bit of classical mood music. Tenchy has the fireside scene stitched up.
Good
Micky's bed time carp stories blog might have mileage, nice bit of classical mood music. Tenchy has the fireside scene stitched up.
In reply to Post #249
Maybe he wasn't clear on the instructions. Not heard anything lately from the self isolating celebrities maybe their sniffle has turned worse or was just a sniffle.
Maybe he wasn't clear on the instructions.
Not heard anything lately from the self isolating celebrities maybe their sniffle has turned worse or was just a sniffle.
In reply to Post #254
A couple of my neighbours have let their kids play out the front together all afternoon completely ignoring the government warning. Selfish idiots probably sick of having them locked up indoors and wanted some peace and just sent out for few hours to get them out their hair.
A couple of my neighbours have let their kids play out the front together all afternoon completely ignoring the government warning. Selfish idiots probably sick of having them locked up indoors and wanted some peace and just sent out for few hours to get them out their hair.
Will HS2 still go ahead in the light of what this is going to cost the nation?
In reply to Post #256
I'd like to think no, but looking at the amount of work/damage that they've already done and I can't see them pulling the plug. I think they will just keep delaying and delaying the end of the project to spread the cost out. I bet it over runs for years.
I'd like to think no, but looking at the amount of work/damage that they've already done and I can't see them pulling the plug. I think they will just keep delaying and delaying the end of the project to spread the cost out. I bet it over runs for years.
A mate today had to go round 3 shops today to pick up simple painkillers, paracetamol and ibuprofen.
I had to go round 4 just to find one with any bread left.
When I walked Sky earlier the park was busy, more dog walkers than ever. Those dogs have probably had more walks in the past few days than in the whole of last month.
I managed to walk down to a local park lake, nobody fishing today, and a council employee litter picking who said he thought fishing was probably the best self isolation going, but the numpties, his words, were bivvying up right next to each other, so rangers were 'asking them' to leave.
Another lake I walked around, don't know if there are any fish left as it is right next to the river and had furry friends.
Yes, I probably strayed over my hour😳😖, but did have a good look to see if I could see anything. Until we get clarification, although I don't agree with it, I won't fish.
I see a lake near Ely has been reopened on request by the local council
I had to go round 4 just to find one with any bread left.
When I walked Sky earlier the park was busy, more dog walkers than ever. Those dogs have probably had more walks in the past few days than in the whole of last month.
I managed to walk down to a local park lake, nobody fishing today, and a council employee litter picking who said he thought fishing was probably the best self isolation going, but the numpties, his words, were bivvying up right next to each other, so rangers were 'asking them' to leave.
Another lake I walked around, don't know if there are any fish left as it is right next to the river and had furry friends.
Yes, I probably strayed over my hour😳😖, but did have a good look to see if I could see anything. Until we get clarification, although I don't agree with it, I won't fish.
I see a lake near Ely has been reopened on request by the local council
In reply to Post #258
I had the final email to say the last of my tickets officially closed today, which is understandable. Even if you are isolated in a swim on my waters, you still need to unlock several gates, so all the members are handling the same padlocks. Then there's the door handles on the toilets, the club huts, bait freezers, drinking water taps etc etc. Even ignoring the advice about not undertaking non essential travel, theres plenty of points of transmission between complete strangers there. So I'm glad they've shut them for a while. The sooner this is over with the better.
Here's a nice thought, by the time you go fishing again, the clocks will have changed, the evenings will be longer and probably a lot warmer. All those winter clothes you were wearing the last time you fished will be a distant memory.
Can't wait.
I had the final email to say the last of my tickets officially closed today, which is understandable. Even if you are isolated in a swim on my waters, you still need to unlock several gates, so all the members are handling the same padlocks. Then there's the door handles on the toilets, the club huts, bait freezers, drinking water taps etc etc. Even ignoring the advice about not undertaking non essential travel, theres plenty of points of transmission between complete strangers there. So I'm glad they've shut them for a while. The sooner this is over with the better.
Here's a nice thought, by the time you go fishing again, the clocks will have changed, the evenings will be longer and probably a lot warmer. All those winter clothes you were wearing the last time you fished will be a distant memory.
Can't wait.
In reply to Post #248
And Matt Hancock, Secretary of State for Health and Social Care.
Nadine Dorries returned to Parliament three days ago after having coronavirus.
Strange how these politicians can be tested though when most ill people can't...
And Matt Hancock, Secretary of State for Health and Social Care.
Nadine Dorries returned to Parliament three days ago after having coronavirus.
Strange how these politicians can be tested though when most ill people can't...
In reply to Post #260
I don't mind them getting tested. I'm not running the country in a time of National Emergency. I think I can wait a while.
I don't mind them getting tested. I'm not running the country in a time of National Emergency. I think I can wait a while.
In reply to Post #260
Not strange at all to test the people that run the country.
Not strange at all to test the people that run the country.
I mentioned earlier in the thread that my cousin has been working on a large site in London and he'd been disgusted with the behaviour of his fellow workers. Well I've found out this morning that when he heard that his site wasn't going to close, he jacked his job and walked off site. The final straw for him was coming into work and finding they had no running hot water.
One of the reasons I think the gov don't want to close sites is most are self employed/ subie's and the government know this and don't want to pay them if there off
In reply to Post #264
Why are some lakes still open and the owners saying its OK u can self isolate here, ffs are they proffesinal health scientists now, the government has told all fisheries to close as fishing is not essential travel, its all about cash with some these fishery owners
Why are some lakes still open and the owners saying its OK u can self isolate here, ffs are they proffesinal health scientists now, the government has told all fisheries to close as fishing is not essential travel, its all about cash with some these fishery owners
Site rules
Q1..Please can I use a stepladder.........
Answer..No
Q2..Please can I take my hard hat off for 2 minutes while I work in a place where I can't fit my head in if I keep it on.........
Answer..No
Q3..Please can I use a perfectly good drill that has a PAT test out of date by 1 day while I await re-testing........
Answer..No
Q4..Please can I run an extension lead across the floor for 5 minutes ...........
Answer..No
Q5..Please can I use another trades mobile scaffold which I am trained to build......
Answer..On many sites No
Q6..Please can I undo my chin strap in a building with enclosed windows when the temperature is about 90 degrees......
Answer..On many sites, No
Q7..Should I go to work on site when there is a global pandemic that is the most contagious thing ever known to man, travel on the tube squeezed in as usual with hundreds of other people, use a finger scanner for access and get in a small lift with 10 other blokes and a lift driver that stays in there all day........
Answer..Yes
Ok thanks.....as long as my health, safety and well-being remains your top priority I will crack on 👍🏼
Q1..Please can I use a stepladder.........
Answer..No
Q2..Please can I take my hard hat off for 2 minutes while I work in a place where I can't fit my head in if I keep it on.........
Answer..No
Q3..Please can I use a perfectly good drill that has a PAT test out of date by 1 day while I await re-testing........
Answer..No
Q4..Please can I run an extension lead across the floor for 5 minutes ...........
Answer..No
Q5..Please can I use another trades mobile scaffold which I am trained to build......
Answer..On many sites No
Q6..Please can I undo my chin strap in a building with enclosed windows when the temperature is about 90 degrees......
Answer..On many sites, No
Q7..Should I go to work on site when there is a global pandemic that is the most contagious thing ever known to man, travel on the tube squeezed in as usual with hundreds of other people, use a finger scanner for access and get in a small lift with 10 other blokes and a lift driver that stays in there all day........
Answer..Yes
Ok thanks.....as long as my health, safety and well-being remains your top priority I will crack on 👍🏼
In reply to Post #266
Agree that's not on.
Agree that's not on.
In reply to Post #266
Pooter that is the best summary of a building site i have read in years they just make things up as they go along especially if the job falls behind schedule the more they will look the other way
Pooter that is the best summary of a building site i have read in years they just make things up as they go along especially if the job falls behind schedule the more they will look the other way
In reply to Post #266
Bear in mind building development is currently massive, so big that many pension funds are heavily invested along with banks etc, even councils have invested the council tax we all pay into local development company's which I feel never should have been allowed to happen. Ever wondered why developers have been given planning permission to build on flood planes, landfill sites and formerly protected green belt areas,
Bear in mind building development is currently massive, so big that many pension funds are heavily invested along with banks etc, even councils have invested the council tax we all pay into local development company's which I feel never should have been allowed to happen. Ever wondered why developers have been given planning permission to build on flood planes, landfill sites and formerly protected green belt areas,
In reply to Post #268
Totally agree. The Last month of a job anything goes. H&S goes out the window, I see it on every job I go on,Im a Groundworks manager so usually see a job from start to finish and it's crazy some of the things the principle contractor try to get the lads to do towards the later phasers of the job.
Totally agree. The Last month of a job anything goes. H&S goes out the window, I see it on every job I go on,Im a Groundworks manager so usually see a job from start to finish and it's crazy some of the things the principle contractor try to get the lads to do towards the later phasers of the job.
In reply to Post #262
Pity we can't test for honesty and wisdom at the same time
Pity we can't test for honesty and wisdom at the same time
In reply to Post #271
Ain't that the truth
Just reading on a Facebook group about people walking round their local lakes baiting.
Seems some condone it for exercise.
Drive there, if car breaks down or have an accident, contact with other people.
Open up gate(s)/padlock, other people touching it.
Lame excuse just to prebait imho.
Ain't that the truth
Just reading on a Facebook group about people walking round their local lakes baiting.
Seems some condone it for exercise.
Drive there, if car breaks down or have an accident, contact with other people.
Open up gate(s)/padlock, other people touching it.
Lame excuse just to prebait imho.
In reply to Post #266
Sounds like an ISG site lol
Sounds like an ISG site lol
In reply to Post #272
Take the tickets off them. They'll be no loss to a water.
Take the tickets off them. They'll be no loss to a water.
In reply to Post #272
I hope they've got a lot of bait because they might be prebaiting for a quite some time
I hope they've got a lot of bait because they might be prebaiting for a quite some time
In reply to Post #272
They may doing it for a very long time if cases keep rising.
They may doing it for a very long time if cases keep rising.
In reply to Post #276
Only rising cos bellends are not listening to what they are being told
Only rising cos bellends are not listening to what they are being told
In reply to Post #277
True but there are a lot of them, as a service engineer I'm driving all over the place keeping sewage treatment and pumping stations working mostly in the countryside and the amount of dickheads in flash cars overtaking me in 30mph limits is unreal, had one that must have been doing seventy in a village. Been a few serious accidents this week as well and hope they are investigated and if found they were not on essential business they are made to pay for all the costs of clearing up and hospital.
True but there are a lot of them, as a service engineer I'm driving all over the place keeping sewage treatment and pumping stations working mostly in the countryside and the amount of dickheads in flash cars overtaking me in 30mph limits is unreal, had one that must have been doing seventy in a village. Been a few serious accidents this week as well and hope they are investigated and if found they were not on essential business they are made to pay for all the costs of clearing up and hospital.
In reply to Post #278
It's crazy what's going on but as soon as China has killed the amount of people it wants worldwide then they will release the antidote
It's crazy what's going on but as soon as China has killed the amount of people it wants worldwide then they will release the antidote
In reply to Post #279
Or governments have squeezed enough out of the banks that they need to be propped up by the state who then not only tax all your in and outgoing money but also own your debt and future interest payments
Or governments have squeezed enough out of the banks that they need to be propped up by the state who then not only tax all your in and outgoing money but also own your debt and future interest payments
In reply to Post #280
Money and taxes are not that important to me at the moment,so long as people get through what is going on safe and well I could not give a flying ****.They can increase my taxes,take all my savings so long as everybody I care about and love see the back of this ****storm
Money and taxes are not that important to me at the moment,so long as people get through what is going on safe and well I could not give a flying ****.They can increase my taxes,take all my savings so long as everybody I care about and love see the back of this ****storm
In reply to Post #277
That was my view, less people out will avoid any contact.
I was of the feeling of go fishing if well spaced out on bank. Until I looked at bigger picture of long term having to fill up with fuel more often, car accidents/breakdowns and having to call rescue services out.
Amount of people coughing (what seems like on purpose) very near others, seems more apparent recently.
But is that what people are more aware of now I assume.
That was my view, less people out will avoid any contact.
I was of the feeling of go fishing if well spaced out on bank. Until I looked at bigger picture of long term having to fill up with fuel more often, car accidents/breakdowns and having to call rescue services out.
Amount of people coughing (what seems like on purpose) very near others, seems more apparent recently.
But is that what people are more aware of now I assume.
In reply to Post #282
Isn't that deliberate cough a way of saying keep 2 metres away from me?
Isn't that deliberate cough a way of saying keep 2 metres away from me?
In reply to Post #281
Couldn't agree more. Stay alive, work together and protect each other. Sort all the other crap(money) out later. But keep an eye on the greedy, cynical, grasping smartarses who are and will look to take advantage.
Couldn't agree more. Stay alive, work together and protect each other. Sort all the other crap(money) out later. But keep an eye on the greedy, cynical, grasping smartarses who are and will look to take advantage.
Everybody take a deep breath (try not to cough) and read/watch THIS and stay calm, please
In reply to Post #285
Ok I've read that so what conclusion do we come to?
Ok I've read that so what conclusion do we come to?
In reply to Post #286
That's up to you, did you watch any of the videos as well?
That's up to you, did you watch any of the videos as well?
In reply to Post #281
The **** storm will continue for a decade or more mate
Not sure any virus has ever been eradicated but plenty of people have starved and frozen to death during the ‘good times'
The deaths are horrific, I don't doubt that. Months on end of no economic activity will be catastrophic.
Make sure your house is secure in the coming months!!!!!
The **** storm will continue for a decade or more mate
Not sure any virus has ever been eradicated but plenty of people have starved and frozen to death during the ‘good times'
The deaths are horrific, I don't doubt that. Months on end of no economic activity will be catastrophic.
Make sure your house is secure in the coming months!!!!!
In reply to Post #287
No didn't watch the videos there's only so many I can watch.
My conclusion is there is no conclusion just the Guardian doing its stuff.
No didn't watch the videos there's only so many I can watch.
My conclusion is there is no conclusion just the Guardian doing its stuff.
In reply to Post #289
As opposed to the sun, star, express, fail, torygraph, times......
As opposed to the sun, star, express, fail, torygraph, times......
In reply to Post #290
Exactly, I'd rather listen to one of the world's leading figues on pandemics rather than a journalist or 'Susan off Facebook'
Perspectives on the Pandemic: Dealing with Coronavirus, a fiasco in the making?
most people won't be bothered to watch it, rather get info in soundbites/clickbait off Facebook etc
Exactly, I'd rather listen to one of the world's leading figues on pandemics rather than a journalist or 'Susan off Facebook'
Perspectives on the Pandemic: Dealing with Coronavirus, a fiasco in the making?
most people won't be bothered to watch it, rather get info in soundbites/clickbait off Facebook etc
In reply to Post #290
I didn't intentionally try to make it political but I'm sure those you mention are doing their stuff as well as Susan on Facebook or youtube.
I prefer to listen to the NHS, I don't believe in the conspiracy theories going around so if they've got it wrong then I believe at least they didn't do it on purpose.
I didn't intentionally try to make it political
but I'm sure those you mention are doing their stuff as well as Susan on Facebook or youtube.I prefer to listen to the NHS, I don't believe in the conspiracy theories going around so if they've got it wrong then I believe at least they didn't do it on purpose.
In reply to Post #292
They haven't got anything wrong at all it's just the way what is happening is being interpreted, a prime example to me is the 'Nightingale Hospitals'. Now as far as I can tell most people are taking that as a sure sign we are on the brink of Armageddon and that within the year life will be like a scene from a Mad Max film. Or could it be, as I see it, is it actually the case that the hospitals are being battered by this because they still have to deal with running the Oncology Wards, the Thoracic Wards, the Maternaity Wards, the A+E depts etc etc etc, none of the everyday stuff that a hospital deals with has gone away, so why not build temp hospitals where all the people riddled with CV can be put so as to let the hospitals return to dealing with all the **** they normally have to deal with and also get the infected away from all the other 'normal' patients?
But hey, maybe it's just me.
They haven't got anything wrong at all it's just the way what is happening is being interpreted, a prime example to me is the 'Nightingale Hospitals'. Now as far as I can tell most people are taking that as a sure sign we are on the brink of Armageddon and that within the year life will be like a scene from a Mad Max film. Or could it be, as I see it, is it actually the case that the hospitals are being battered by this because they still have to deal with running the Oncology Wards, the Thoracic Wards, the Maternaity Wards, the A+E depts etc etc etc, none of the everyday stuff that a hospital deals with has gone away, so why not build temp hospitals where all the people riddled with CV can be put so as to let the hospitals return to dealing with all the **** they normally have to deal with and also get the infected away from all the other 'normal' patients?
But hey, maybe it's just me.
In reply to Post #293
Isolation hospital's are nothing new. It's been done for thousands of years with plagues, disease etc. Some that were for TB I remember as a kid. It works.
Isolation hospital's are nothing new. It's been done for thousands of years with plagues, disease etc. Some that were for TB I remember as a kid. It works.
In reply to Post #293
That sounds the best use of a temporary hospital to me and thought that's what they would be used for.
I'm doing as I'm told and keeping indoors, not because I believe I will die if I get the disease but I don't want to unknowingly spread it to someone who I may never meet but won't be able to cope and may sadly will die.
That sounds the best use of a temporary hospital to me and thought that's what they would be used for.
I'm doing as I'm told and keeping indoors, not because I believe I will die if I get the disease but I don't want to unknowingly spread it to someone who I may never meet but won't be able to cope and may sadly will die.
In reply to Post #293
Something about the numbers we are being given doesn't seem to add up to me:
10,000 cv cases, 1,200 hospitals in the uk (including private) shouldn't our hospitals be able to handle these extra people? That's about 8-9 extra patients per hospital (assuming all have been hospitalised).
Something about the numbers we are being given doesn't seem to add up to me:
10,000 cv cases, 1,200 hospitals in the uk (including private) shouldn't our hospitals be able to handle these extra people? That's about 8-9 extra patients per hospital (assuming all have been hospitalised).
In reply to Post #296
It's not as simple as that mate.
Think of the other contributing factors.
Expected increase over the coming weeks
Huge numbers of NHS staff unable to work
Specific need for intensive care and isolated facilities.
So many other things alongside the basic numbers that make the maths of cases divided by hospitals a redundant figure
Edit - it's a bit like saying there are 250 carp in the lake and 10 anglers, so they will all catch 25 fish....
It's not as simple as that mate.
Think of the other contributing factors.
Expected increase over the coming weeks
Huge numbers of NHS staff unable to work
Specific need for intensive care and isolated facilities.
So many other things alongside the basic numbers that make the maths of cases divided by hospitals a redundant figure
Edit - it's a bit like saying there are 250 carp in the lake and 10 anglers, so they will all catch 25 fish....
In reply to Post #293
There is something not right about the virus,how it started and how it's spread
There is something not right about the virus,how it started and how it's spread
In reply to Post #296
The distribution of cases isn't uniform. Large population area's seem to show rapid plumes of infections, overwhelming the area's hospital capacity. Plus you've had a 10 year drive to make the NHS "more efficient" that means you cut out over capacity as it's deemed a waste. Not so good when a pandemic hits you.
The distribution of cases isn't uniform. Large population area's seem to show rapid plumes of infections, overwhelming the area's hospital capacity. Plus you've had a 10 year drive to make the NHS "more efficient" that means you cut out over capacity as it's deemed a waste. Not so good when a pandemic hits you.
In reply to Post #297
25 in the whole of Hereford
Over 200 just in my London borough
That said, I'm sure there's hundreds of thousands of cases worldwide going untested, possibly millions
I think the average number of deaths this time of year is above 10k per week
25 in the whole of Hereford
Over 200 just in my London borough
That said, I'm sure there's hundreds of thousands of cases worldwide going untested, possibly millions
I think the average number of deaths this time of year is above 10k per week
In reply to Post #298
There is something not right about the virus,how it started and how it's spread
If you watch the video I put up earlier, there is every chance that without the media and the panic created it could have actually gone unnoticed and just been seen as a slight 'bump' in the normal flu/corona statistics experienced every year
There is something not right about the virus,how it started and how it's spread
If you watch the video I put up earlier, there is every chance that without the media and the panic created it could have actually gone unnoticed and just been seen as a slight 'bump' in the normal flu/corona statistics experienced every year
In reply to Post #299
I understand that, it's just how many of the 10,000 have actually been hospitalised? And how many are just staying home with mild symptoms? I.e Boris. ( Don't actually expect anyone to know this, I'm just thinking out loud).
I understand that, it's just how many of the 10,000 have actually been hospitalised? And how many are just staying home with mild symptoms? I.e Boris. ( Don't actually expect anyone to know this, I'm just thinking out loud).
In reply to Post #301
This is what I was thinking ( I've not watched your link yet chuffy). I believe that covid 19 Has accounted for around 2% of the total deaths in this country since the first cv19 death.
This is what I was thinking ( I've not watched your link yet chuffy). I believe that covid 19 Has accounted for around 2% of the total deaths in this country since the first cv19 death.
In reply to Post #302
Most people are not tested unless they hospital treatment if this helps.
The NHS stopped testing people in car parks over 2.5 weeks ago.
Most people are not tested unless they hospital treatment if this helps.
The NHS stopped testing people in car parks over 2.5 weeks ago.
In reply to Post #302
Don't forget we're about 2 weeks behind somewhere comparable like Italy.
Italy has, as of yesterday 22,407 closed cases of COVID-19.
12,384 recovered/discharged
10,023 dead.
Lots of extra intensive care cases in specific areas clearly.
Without comprehensive testing the real figures are unknown.
Don't forget we're about 2 weeks behind somewhere comparable like Italy.
Italy has, as of yesterday 22,407 closed cases of COVID-19.
12,384 recovered/discharged
10,023 dead.
Lots of extra intensive care cases in specific areas clearly.
Without comprehensive testing the real figures are unknown.
In reply to Post #303
We are only at the start of this, it will get worse, we are absolutely heading down the Italy/Spain path. Everybody is fully aware that our NHS is stretched at the best of times, social distancing and I would prefer stronger measures is the best defence we currently have in our armoury.
People spread viruses, and the fact that this one has managed to go worldwide in 2 months in differing climatic conditions tells me that this is a strong, virulent infection.
We have been given the simplest instruction ever to save lives, stay at home and having just read the news that police had to break up a 25 strong karaoke party over the weekend tells me all I need to know about some of the clowns that inhabit this country.
We are only at the start of this, it will get worse, we are absolutely heading down the Italy/Spain path. Everybody is fully aware that our NHS is stretched at the best of times, social distancing and I would prefer stronger measures is the best defence we currently have in our armoury.
People spread viruses, and the fact that this one has managed to go worldwide in 2 months in differing climatic conditions tells me that this is a strong, virulent infection.
We have been given the simplest instruction ever to save lives, stay at home and having just read the news that police had to break up a 25 strong karaoke party over the weekend tells me all I need to know about some of the clowns that inhabit this country.
In reply to Post #291
I don't wish to appear rude but..... I watched it up to the point where your man said it may get worse or it may not be as bad as predicted. In other words, he doesn't know. Also that a global lockdown would be disastrous.
No **** Sherlock.
Stay in unless food buying or emergency, its that simple.
101 phone line isn't working, my useless **** neighbours son is still going out in the evening.
I don't wish to appear rude but..... I watched it up to the point where your man said it may get worse or it may not be as bad as predicted. In other words, he doesn't know. Also that a global lockdown would be disastrous.
No **** Sherlock.
Stay in unless food buying or emergency, its that simple.
101 phone line isn't working, my useless **** neighbours son is still going out in the evening.
In reply to Post #307
I don't think anyone knows the true extent of what's going to be the final outcome.We better hope this malaria drug gets out to the doctors ASAP.
I don't think anyone knows the true extent of what's going to be the final outcome.We better hope this malaria drug gets out to the doctors ASAP.
In reply to Post #308
Don't believe anything that China says, people I sade are saying the government are allocating thousand of mobile furnaces, each capable of dealing with 30 body's at a time and these people say the death toll is hundreds of thousands and still rising. Unless you are there and protected enough to be able to travel around you will never know the truth.
Don't believe anything that China says, people I sade are saying the government are allocating thousand of mobile furnaces, each capable of dealing with 30 body's at a time and these people say the death toll is hundreds of thousands and still rising. Unless you are there and protected enough to be able to travel around you will never know the truth.
In reply to Post #309
One polite question: how come China has thousands of mobile furnaces?
One polite question: how come China has thousands of mobile furnaces?
In reply to Post #310
Should have been incinerators, they use them all over the country to dispose of waste, apparently. Don't remember seeing any when I was there but that was 20 years ago.
Should have been incinerators, they use them all over the country to dispose of waste, apparently. Don't remember seeing any when I was there but that was 20 years ago.
In reply to Post #307
Where did I or anyone else say ignore advice on social distancing? Watch the whole video before you start giving it the
and at post #309 the 'mobile incinerators' is actually one or two that was sent to Wuhan to deal with excess medical waste not bodies, again fear mongering that comes out of all the bull****, this was started by and exiled billionaire with a political grudge
The actual story
Fact Check of the senastionalised version
Where did I or anyone else say ignore advice on social distancing? Watch the whole video before you start giving it the
and at post #309 the 'mobile incinerators' is actually one or two that was sent to Wuhan to deal with excess medical waste not bodies, again fear mongering that comes out of all the bull****, this was started by and exiled billionaire with a political grudge
The actual story
Fact Check of the senastionalised version
In reply to Post #309
The malaria drug is in the UK not China.Its on another thread on here.It sounds very positive and a bit of light at the end of the tunnel.If I'm honest I do truly believe this has been done on purpose,maybe that's just me though
The malaria drug is in the UK not China.Its on another thread on here.It sounds very positive and a bit of light at the end of the tunnel.If I'm honest I do truly believe this has been done on purpose,maybe that's just me though
In reply to Post #312
Clearly what I actually wrote wasn't simple enough, I never suggested you were saying anything about your post. Did you read mine or just fly off the handle?
Clearly what I actually wrote wasn't simple enough, I never suggested you were saying anything about your post. Did you read mine or just fly off the handle?
In reply to Post #301
Well said.
Every year the NHS is overwhelmed, or very close to it, with flu, and people using A&E as a drop in centre for every ailment, from a hangnail, to a scratch. Many of these visits should/could be treated at the GP or by our own sense. You have a sniffle, sneeze, a reasonably serious cold, you don't need the doctor, you get paracetamol and STAY at home, if it gets worse then book a GP appointment.
However, businesses have stopped paying sick pay and SSP is not payable until off work for three days.
The call for 250,000 retired NHS staff, that got 400,000 + volunteers, that number of frontline staff should have been still employed by the NHS, instead they kept on accountants and managers. Accountants who refuse to spend a penny unless they can help it, and managers and accountants who draw big wages.
This has lead to a shortage of equipment, no new ventilators, not enough facemasks and demoralised staff.
Suddenly the NHS is having equipment and staff thrown at them.
Now with coronavirus, the MAJORITY of sufferers have no more than a tickly dry cough, or maybe earache or a sore throat. That is it.
It is a tiny percentage who get anything more. You probably know someone who has or has had it.
A tiny minority get something worse, or it exacerbates underlying conditions, the existing recovering heart attack sufferer (as an example), but if the person dies, it is all being placed firmly on the fault of coronavirus by the media. The NHS is duty bound to report that the patient had coronavirus.
If a person has the misfortune to get flu and coronavirus, according to the media, coronavirus caused the death.
Every year worldwide, flu causes between 250,000 and 650,000 deaths on its own, in a season usually from October to March, April or May.
The coronavirus season has also been October to March so far.
Taiwan, right next to China, is not in any state of lockdown, people are living a pretty normal life. The differences, minimal cases, Taiwan stopped all flights in from China immediately. All people self isolate on any symptoms and tested, they then get hospitalised. Any people on flights in are quarantined.
This massive panic, from a health minister, that coronavirus will cause 20,000 deaths, yet other figures that it will only cause 1,400 directly attributable to coronavirus.
Well said.
Every year the NHS is overwhelmed, or very close to it, with flu, and people using A&E as a drop in centre for every ailment, from a hangnail, to a scratch. Many of these visits should/could be treated at the GP or by our own sense. You have a sniffle, sneeze, a reasonably serious cold, you don't need the doctor, you get paracetamol and STAY at home, if it gets worse then book a GP appointment.
However, businesses have stopped paying sick pay and SSP is not payable until off work for three days.
The call for 250,000 retired NHS staff, that got 400,000 + volunteers, that number of frontline staff should have been still employed by the NHS, instead they kept on accountants and managers. Accountants who refuse to spend a penny unless they can help it, and managers and accountants who draw big wages.
This has lead to a shortage of equipment, no new ventilators, not enough facemasks and demoralised staff.
Suddenly the NHS is having equipment and staff thrown at them.
Now with coronavirus, the MAJORITY of sufferers have no more than a tickly dry cough, or maybe earache or a sore throat. That is it.
It is a tiny percentage who get anything more. You probably know someone who has or has had it.
A tiny minority get something worse, or it exacerbates underlying conditions, the existing recovering heart attack sufferer (as an example), but if the person dies, it is all being placed firmly on the fault of coronavirus by the media. The NHS is duty bound to report that the patient had coronavirus.
If a person has the misfortune to get flu and coronavirus, according to the media, coronavirus caused the death.
Every year worldwide, flu causes between 250,000 and 650,000 deaths on its own, in a season usually from October to March, April or May.
The coronavirus season has also been October to March so far.
Taiwan, right next to China, is not in any state of lockdown, people are living a pretty normal life. The differences, minimal cases, Taiwan stopped all flights in from China immediately. All people self isolate on any symptoms and tested, they then get hospitalised. Any people on flights in are quarantined.
This massive panic, from a health minister, that coronavirus will cause 20,000 deaths, yet other figures that it will only cause 1,400 directly attributable to coronavirus.
In reply to Post #315
So what are we saying here, most countries in the world are all going about this the wrong way and we should all be following the advice of a small minority of people who have their own alternative views and who's voices seem to be mainly heard through Youtube?
So what are we saying here, most countries in the world are all going about this the wrong way and we should all be following the advice of a small minority of people who have their own alternative views and who's voices seem to be mainly heard through Youtube?
In reply to Post #312
All seems plausible.
Also there is a drug that appears to be favourable for trials and has helped a very old man with underlying health issues to a full recovery if reports are to be believed.
'Actemra'.
Its an old drug that's well used to treat rheumatoid arthritis patients and a side effect Is that it stops the body sending fluid to the lungs..🤞🤞
All seems plausible.
Also there is a drug that appears to be favourable for trials and has helped a very old man with underlying health issues to a full recovery if reports are to be believed.
'Actemra'.
Its an old drug that's well used to treat rheumatoid arthritis patients and a side effect Is that it stops the body sending fluid to the lungs..🤞🤞
In reply to Post #317
There are a number of drugs that are used to treat viruses, but all of them are to treat symptoms and problems caused by the virus and they can be valuable in keeping a person alive while their immune system fights the virus. If it wins you live, if it loses you die. There is not a single drug that will kill a virus in your system. We can do it with bacterial infection using antibiotics that kill bacteria.
There is a lot of crossover between cancer and viral research, some cancers being linked to viruses. This is the holy grail and it has still not been found. No wonder drug exists. Wish it did. Best case is a safe and fully effective vaccine as fast as possible
There are a number of drugs that are used to treat viruses, but all of them are to treat symptoms and problems caused by the virus and they can be valuable in keeping a person alive while their immune system fights the virus. If it wins you live, if it loses you die. There is not a single drug that will kill a virus in your system. We can do it with bacterial infection using antibiotics that kill bacteria.
There is a lot of crossover between cancer and viral research, some cancers being linked to viruses. This is the holy grail and it has still not been found. No wonder drug exists. Wish it did. Best case is a safe and fully effective vaccine as fast as possible
I wonder who's bright idea it was to spend 6 million quid sending letters to every household?
Don't worry the tax payers will pick up the bill, they won't notice given they are liable for billions already. Most will have read it in the news stories, those who haven't won't bother anyway
And the new nightingale hospital has huge signs and branding over it, why?
I'm sure the paramedics know where it is and if you're either dying or leaving after treatment what good is ****ing signage!?
We know how to waste money in this country, spend it on people not needless crap ffs
Don't worry the tax payers will pick up the bill, they won't notice given they are liable for billions already. Most will have read it in the news stories, those who haven't won't bother anyway
And the new nightingale hospital has huge signs and branding over it, why?
I'm sure the paramedics know where it is and if you're either dying or leaving after treatment what good is ****ing signage!?
We know how to waste money in this country, spend it on people not needless crap ffs
In reply to Post #319
In reply to Post #318
Don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with my post but seem to be posting common sense..👍
The drug I posted seems to prevent the current pneumonia complications associated with the current high mortality rate. 👍👎
Anyway, wishing all best health and wishes at this trying time..
Don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with my post but seem to be posting common sense..👍
The drug I posted seems to prevent the current pneumonia complications associated with the current high mortality rate. 👍👎
Anyway, wishing all best health and wishes at this trying time..
In reply to Post #316
The Government wouldn't be building new hospitals and sourcing ventilators to cope with 10's of thousands of critically ill patients unless they had expert opinion from leading virologists that they would be needed. The worst of this will probably be in a week to two weeks time, but then surely it will flair up again if the relax the isolation guidelines?
Personally I think anyone found ignoring the guidelines should have their details taken and entered onto a database, if they susequently get ill and there is a shortage of ventilators they shouldn't get one.
I think this will be an issue for months to come. Yes if you are in good health then it shuldn't be a major problem but there is no guarantee of that. Personally I have two members of my immediate family that will probably die if they get it.
The Government wouldn't be building new hospitals and sourcing ventilators to cope with 10's of thousands of critically ill patients unless they had expert opinion from leading virologists that they would be needed. The worst of this will probably be in a week to two weeks time, but then surely it will flair up again if the relax the isolation guidelines?
Personally I think anyone found ignoring the guidelines should have their details taken and entered onto a database, if they susequently get ill and there is a shortage of ventilators they shouldn't get one.
I think this will be an issue for months to come. Yes if you are in good health then it shuldn't be a major problem but there is no guarantee of that. Personally I have two members of my immediate family that will probably die if they get it.
Put this in the other thread too but it's worth the repeat I reckon
https://youtu.be/pvEWOBAzHf4
Better than a letter from boris....
https://youtu.be/pvEWOBAzHf4
Better than a letter from boris....
In reply to Post #322
Agreed. Keep yourself and family safe
Agreed. Keep yourself and family safe
In reply to Post #315
Good post Nick
I read that the flu strain that came in around the time of beast from the east killed 50000 but didn't really get much media attention or panic. If this happened in the 80's I doubt we would be in lockdown.
Personally I think in the long term there will be more in indirect deaths from this - depression, alcoholism, drug use, suicide.
It will be interesting to see how Sweden come out of this who have adopted a slightly different approach to other European countries.
Good post Nick
I read that the flu strain that came in around the time of beast from the east killed 50000 but didn't really get much media attention or panic. If this happened in the 80's I doubt we would be in lockdown.
Personally I think in the long term there will be more in indirect deaths from this - depression, alcoholism, drug use, suicide.
It will be interesting to see how Sweden come out of this who have adopted a slightly different approach to other European countries.
In reply to Post #321
Not disagreeing with what you said but I feel the only immediate response from all of us should be to do the simple things we have been asked. There will be no instant solution to this. If the scientific community hit the jackpot, great. But until then simple, dull and boring will get it done. Like winter fishing.
Not disagreeing with what you said but I feel the only immediate response from all of us should be to do the simple things we have been asked. There will be no instant solution to this. If the scientific community hit the jackpot, great. But until then simple, dull and boring will get it done. Like winter fishing.
In reply to Post #325
Has Sweden adopted a different approach or are they just a week or two behind us and 4 weeks or so behind Italy, only time will tell.
Has Sweden adopted a different approach or are they just a week or two behind us and 4 weeks or so behind Italy, only time will tell.
Well Belarus's President reckons Vodka and saunas will fix it, good luck with that
In reply to Post #328
He should be ashamed spreading miss information, it's VODKA, CURRY AND SAUNA.
He should be ashamed spreading miss information, it's VODKA, CURRY AND SAUNA.
I notice that RH Fisheries have kept the syndicates open by the use of crafty wording in their announcement:
Syndicates: They will remain open to members, because the government have said you can visit your local park for exercise. Therefore, I am happy for the members to visit the fisheries for their exercise as an alternative to parks if you wish to.
There will be far less people present and you can enjoy the fresh air on your own.
Please stay safe and we look forward to seeing you soon.
All at RH Fisheries.
Syndicates: They will remain open to members, because the government have said you can visit your local park for exercise. Therefore, I am happy for the members to visit the fisheries for their exercise as an alternative to parks if you wish to.
There will be far less people present and you can enjoy the fresh air on your own.
Please stay safe and we look forward to seeing you soon.
All at RH Fisheries.
In reply to Post #329
But the Vodka measure they say to have is only 50ml a day, that's the amount you have that leads you wanting more. Sod that
But the Vodka measure they say to have is only 50ml a day, that's the amount you have that leads you wanting more. Sod that
In reply to Post #330
Always a few greedy beggars. Hell hath no fury like a vested interest masquerading as a moral principle. Everybody needs to stay at home. Fishing is not a vital or essential activity.
Always a few greedy beggars. Hell hath no fury like a vested interest masquerading as a moral principle. Everybody needs to stay at home. Fishing is not a vital or essential activity.
In reply to Post #330
Thing is he knows you are allowed one hours exircise in the same place and travelling is only for essential's, this is so when we are locked down for months members can't get a refund as he will claim he was open.
Thing is he knows you are allowed one hours exircise in the same place and travelling is only for essential's, this is so when we are locked down for months members can't get a refund as he will claim he was open.
In reply to Post #333
And if ever anyone was in doubt that RH was a money grabbing low life tool with no-ones interest apart from his own, there's the evidence.
Absolute cnut.
And if ever anyone was in doubt that RH was a money grabbing low life tool with no-ones interest apart from his own, there's the evidence.
Absolute cnut.
In reply to Post #334
If people keep their distance and use common sense, so what?
Fishing can continue, more son on club and syndicate waters, if people use their common sense.
Try and be a bit more open minded.
If people keep their distance and use common sense, so what?
Fishing can continue, more son on club and syndicate waters, if people use their common sense.
Try and be a bit more open minded.
I'm gonna take a different view on this..... ok, the journey may be non essential. However, what's the difference between travelling to a lake in car than travelling to the supermarket for food? Much more likely to encounter covid 19 there than at a syndicate lake. That said one would hope anyone with symptoms wouldn't venture out. People much more likely to go for supplies with symptoms. Fishing might not be exercise, but it is leisure.
May not be the most popular view, but consider this. You don't manage risk by adding more risk. Does someone who goes fishing on a lake with restricted access add more risk to the current situation?
May not be the most popular view, but consider this. You don't manage risk by adding more risk. Does someone who goes fishing on a lake with restricted access add more risk to the current situation?
In reply to Post #336
Yes. They travel. Chance of an accident. Possible clogging up of roads. Use of emergency services. Picking up infection from petrol pump etc etc etc etc. Very different to essential shopping for food/survival.
It is not exercise. This has been confirmed. Anyone that goes is a ****, end of.
You've correctly said you don't manage risk with more risk. 100% agree.... And there is more risk going out than staying at home. It is not necessarily the fishing per ser that adds the risk, it is the activities that surround it, that do. And if everyone took the same view, then we are f ked...
Yes. They travel. Chance of an accident. Possible clogging up of roads. Use of emergency services. Picking up infection from petrol pump etc etc etc etc. Very different to essential shopping for food/survival.
It is not exercise. This has been confirmed. Anyone that goes is a ****, end of.
You've correctly said you don't manage risk with more risk. 100% agree.... And there is more risk going out than staying at home. It is not necessarily the fishing per ser that adds the risk, it is the activities that surround it, that do. And if everyone took the same view, then we are f ked...
In answer to 335 and 336. Going fishing is not an essential journey. It a selfish and spoiled self indulgence in a time of national emergency that is causing hundreds of deaths and will cause thousands/tens of thousands more. I despair of the nitwits who share our society.
In reply to Post #335
Open minded. Oh ffs. You have been told to stay at home. You know better eh? Imagine if everyone thought like you... Who defines exactly which Fisheries are 'safe'? Its not just angling, any group could throw up the same argument.
Open minded. Oh ffs. You have been told to stay at home. You know better eh? Imagine if everyone thought like you... Who defines exactly which Fisheries are 'safe'? Its not just angling, any group could throw up the same argument.
In reply to Post #339
The simplest instruction ever to save lives, stay at home and still people question it. It's pretty easy, the quicker people screw the nut the quicker some semblance of normality will resume.
The simplest instruction ever to save lives, stay at home and still people question it. It's pretty easy, the quicker people screw the nut the quicker some semblance of normality will resume.
In reply to Post #339
Waisting your time mate, it would appear some anglers are just as selfish as the greed driven ones keeping venues open.
So how many members does for example RH on each sindycate? And how many swims? Pound to a pinch members outnumber swim by some margin so if all these take him at his word as open and turn up then what happens?
Waisting your time mate, it would appear some anglers are just as selfish as the greed driven ones keeping venues open.
So how many members does for example RH on each sindycate? And how many swims? Pound to a pinch members outnumber swim by some margin so if all these take him at his word as open and turn up then what happens?
In reply to Post #340
It isn't really as simple as it sounds though is it? After all we are humans, not robots. We aren't meant to be sat in a small box 24/7, especially, in some cases, all alone.
If this goes on for longer than 3 weeks, I can see people becoming very tired of it...
It isn't really as simple as it sounds though is it? After all we are humans, not robots. We aren't meant to be sat in a small box 24/7, especially, in some cases, all alone.
If this goes on for longer than 3 weeks, I can see people becoming very tired of it...
In reply to Post #342
Nobody said it would be a doddle but it is REALLY simple. Stay at home.
Nobody said it would be a doddle but it is REALLY simple. Stay at home.
In reply to Post #342
I'm tired of it after a week and very soon I'm going to get extremely tired of it but it's something we need to do.
I'm tired of it after a week and very soon I'm going to get extremely tired of it but it's something we need to do.
In reply to Post #337
I disagree. It's about reducing contact with people. Anyone, anywhere can have an accident. Risk cannot be eliminated. You reduce it and minimise it. A handful of healthy anglers visiting a limited access lake does not increase risk of transmission to others. It's not a social gathering, which is what the travel restrictions are aimed at.
People going about daily business is a much bigger risk. Anyone going out with symptoms.... now that's irresponsible.
I disagree. It's about reducing contact with people. Anyone, anywhere can have an accident. Risk cannot be eliminated. You reduce it and minimise it. A handful of healthy anglers visiting a limited access lake does not increase risk of transmission to others. It's not a social gathering, which is what the travel restrictions are aimed at.
People going about daily business is a much bigger risk. Anyone going out with symptoms.... now that's irresponsible.
In reply to Post #344
Playing devil's advocate here; do you (or anyone) think you could do this for, say, 12weeks?
Playing devil's advocate here; do you (or anyone) think you could do this for, say, 12weeks?
In reply to Post #339
Speaking to friends who do other activities, I think the same discussion is being had by many other groups.
I don't think the motocross track one was very convincing, but it seems its OK to drive your mountain bike to a bike venue because cycling is on the list.
BTW, looks like numbers of new cases have now leveled out for a few days, so that must be a good sign
Speaking to friends who do other activities, I think the same discussion is being had by many other groups.
I don't think the motocross track one was very convincing, but it seems its OK to drive your mountain bike to a bike venue because cycling is on the list.
BTW, looks like numbers of new cases have now leveled out for a few days, so that must be a good sign
In reply to Post #345
And who defines what is a 'limited access lake'. God? How many car accidents or breakdowns are there in a year in the UK?... and how many of those happen if you don't leave your house?
Both syndicates I am member of are shut. One is a BCSG water... That's pretty limited membership. As regards the other one, you will lose your ticket if even seen on the water.
It HAS to be draconian for a while. People need to grow up, man up, and stop being self obsessed, self absorbed idiots. The quicker we all just do what we are told, the quicker we will all be out again doing what we love.... Safely.
And who defines what is a 'limited access lake'. God? How many car accidents or breakdowns are there in a year in the UK?... and how many of those happen if you don't leave your house?
Both syndicates I am member of are shut. One is a BCSG water... That's pretty limited membership. As regards the other one, you will lose your ticket if even seen on the water.
It HAS to be draconian for a while. People need to grow up, man up, and stop being self obsessed, self absorbed idiots. The quicker we all just do what we are told, the quicker we will all be out again doing what we love.... Safely.
In reply to Post #345
This is another exercise in self justification. 1 trip a week for food, travel for essential medication and treatment, support for needy people and a local one hour session of exercise. Otherwise stay inside. We have got phones, computers, game consoles, books, crafts, hobbies, gardens, DIY, and cooking. The list is endless. You beat an incurable, infectious and for some deadly disease by breaking the chain of infection. If everybody does it we win.
This is another exercise in self justification. 1 trip a week for food, travel for essential medication and treatment, support for needy people and a local one hour session of exercise. Otherwise stay inside. We have got phones, computers, game consoles, books, crafts, hobbies, gardens, DIY, and cooking. The list is endless. You beat an incurable, infectious and for some deadly disease by breaking the chain of infection. If everybody does it we win.
In reply to Post #346
Yes
Yes
In reply to Post #348
Police are out on the roads today pulling the joy riders, not before time, personally I think they should have a huge detention centre for those that can't be trusted to follow the simple rules.
Police are out on the roads today pulling the joy riders, not before time, personally I think they should have a huge detention centre for those that can't be trusted to follow the simple rules.
In reply to Post #351
The met would have to have a recruitment drive to stop everyone out round here.
The met would have to have a recruitment drive to stop everyone out round here.
In reply to Post #337
Before you fire off at me, I am not fishing, I am staying at home other than essential supplies and walking my dog.
If I need to put petrol in the car, it will be to do my essential shopping. I'm not walking a 15kilo bag of dog food 2 miles back from the pet food store, or 2 miles back from Sainsbury's with my normal groceries.
I actually filled my car up with petrol at the start of March, I still have half a tank left, so to go fishing wouldn't need to top up, or to do my shopping, but you get my drift.
Driving to and from the water, an accident could happen, as it could on the way to and from work, or on the way to the supermarket. No difference in risk.
I gave my views earlier in the thread, here are some simple figures for you about how the NHS in this country is in such a state.
There were 4900 ventilators in this country at the start of the Coronavirus crisis. Around 100 counties and health areas across the whole of the UK. 49 ventilators on average per area or county, across every hospital in the area. The UK was sadly short of ventilators, even BEFORE the start of coronavirus.
Sorry, I don't blindly follow the media frenzy, or even the 'misinformation' that politicians and media peddle.
As has been said by a few in this thread, if it were not for the media hype, then the deaths that are being put down to coronavirus would be just a slight increase for one years figures.
20,000 coronavirus deaths is the figure being quoted by government health advisors; 20,000 people expected to die with coronavirus, yet those 20,000 are infected, but WITH existing underlying health conditions, and would have died anyway, either now or within 6 months.
You are being force fed fiddled figures to make it sound worse.
Yet other figures from other sources, John Hopkins Hospital, Scientist.org reckon the deaths solely down to coronavirus in UK will be 1,400.
Do I agree with lockdown as it stands?
No. Close pubs, restaurants, gyms, the places where person to person transmission is highest risk. Work from home wherever possible. If you are ill, use common sense, don't go into work (I made my point on that a long way earlier in the thread), but continue to allow outdoor sports.
Then we need to find out from recovered patients exactly how ill they were, but we sure don't know exactly how many have recovered
Before you fire off at me, I am not fishing, I am staying at home other than essential supplies and walking my dog.
If I need to put petrol in the car, it will be to do my essential shopping. I'm not walking a 15kilo bag of dog food 2 miles back from the pet food store, or 2 miles back from Sainsbury's with my normal groceries.
I actually filled my car up with petrol at the start of March, I still have half a tank left, so to go fishing wouldn't need to top up, or to do my shopping, but you get my drift.
Driving to and from the water, an accident could happen, as it could on the way to and from work, or on the way to the supermarket. No difference in risk.
I gave my views earlier in the thread, here are some simple figures for you about how the NHS in this country is in such a state.
There were 4900 ventilators in this country at the start of the Coronavirus crisis. Around 100 counties and health areas across the whole of the UK. 49 ventilators on average per area or county, across every hospital in the area. The UK was sadly short of ventilators, even BEFORE the start of coronavirus.
Sorry, I don't blindly follow the media frenzy, or even the 'misinformation' that politicians and media peddle.
As has been said by a few in this thread, if it were not for the media hype, then the deaths that are being put down to coronavirus would be just a slight increase for one years figures.
20,000 coronavirus deaths is the figure being quoted by government health advisors; 20,000 people expected to die with coronavirus, yet those 20,000 are infected, but WITH existing underlying health conditions, and would have died anyway, either now or within 6 months.
You are being force fed fiddled figures to make it sound worse.
Yet other figures from other sources, John Hopkins Hospital, Scientist.org reckon the deaths solely down to coronavirus in UK will be 1,400.
Do I agree with lockdown as it stands?
No. Close pubs, restaurants, gyms, the places where person to person transmission is highest risk. Work from home wherever possible. If you are ill, use common sense, don't go into work (I made my point on that a long way earlier in the thread), but continue to allow outdoor sports.
Then we need to find out from recovered patients exactly how ill they were, but we sure don't know exactly how many have recovered
In reply to Post #342
We've done this for just over a week!!! Compared to some of the things I've done this is an absolute doddle, go home at night and watch tv / sort out my fishing tackle. Simples
Would attitudes be a bit different if the vast majority of the population were in the at risk class?
We've done this for just over a week!!! Compared to some of the things I've done this is an absolute doddle, go home at night and watch tv / sort out my fishing tackle. Simples
Would attitudes be a bit different if the vast majority of the population were in the at risk class?
In reply to Post #353
Must be wonderful to have a totally honest and reliable source of figures and information unlike all the other 65 million gullible idiots in the UK. I have 2 underlying health conditions but was certainly not planning on dying in the next 6 month as part of a small blip in the statistics. The government have used the NHS to identify not 20,000 but 1,500,000 people who are at extreme risk from covid 19. Just a bit bigger blip in the stats.
Must be wonderful to have a totally honest and reliable source of figures and information unlike all the other 65 million gullible idiots in the UK. I have 2 underlying health conditions but was certainly not planning on dying in the next 6 month as part of a small blip in the statistics. The government have used the NHS to identify not 20,000 but 1,500,000 people who are at extreme risk from covid 19. Just a bit bigger blip in the stats.
I'm actually allowed to travel – someone has to go and feed the Stock Ponds, but even then I'm not taking the Pee, twice a week - three max and combining the journey with anything else that requires a journey at the same time.
I drove up the M65 at dinner time - not a single vehicle as far as I could see in the distance and just the same in the rear view mirror, seemed weird.
I could go fishing on a pair of totally private secure Lakes, no one would even know/see me, I could go out in my Kayak for total self-isolation unless someone drops from the sky that is. But when the rest of the population are griming it – so should I.
I do know one lot who are seriously taking the Pee thou – Cyclists, never seen so many.
I drove up the M65 at dinner time - not a single vehicle as far as I could see in the distance and just the same in the rear view mirror, seemed weird.
I could go fishing on a pair of totally private secure Lakes, no one would even know/see me, I could go out in my Kayak for total self-isolation unless someone drops from the sky that is. But when the rest of the population are griming it – so should I.
I do know one lot who are seriously taking the Pee thou – Cyclists, never seen so many.
In reply to Post #349
Not diy please, I'm much more likely to be a drain on the NHS with 15 minutes of power tool use than 15 minutes driving
Not diy please, I'm much more likely to be a drain on the NHS with 15 minutes of power tool use than 15 minutes driving
In reply to Post #348
One that doesn't constitute a social gathering, where you can practice social distancing as per government guidelines. I would be safer on both of my waters than in ANY supermarket or any other place where i can buy the things that i need.
This is not about being self absorbed, self obsessed or being an idiot. And the potential for me breaking down on any trip doesn't increase or decrease wherever l go.
Again, you miss the point that the travel restrictions are about reducing social contact and the risk of transferring infection from house to house and that simply going shopping is a much bigger risk to everyone than leaving the home to go fishing.
Or put it another way, being in a car on your own driving is not a risk in itself because in the car you are isolated.
I guess we won't agree but we don't have to. It's ok to disagree.
One that doesn't constitute a social gathering, where you can practice social distancing as per government guidelines. I would be safer on both of my waters than in ANY supermarket or any other place where i can buy the things that i need.
This is not about being self absorbed, self obsessed or being an idiot. And the potential for me breaking down on any trip doesn't increase or decrease wherever l go.
Again, you miss the point that the travel restrictions are about reducing social contact and the risk of transferring infection from house to house and that simply going shopping is a much bigger risk to everyone than leaving the home to go fishing.
Or put it another way, being in a car on your own driving is not a risk in itself because in the car you are isolated.
I guess we won't agree but we don't have to. It's ok to disagree.
In reply to Post #348
Limited access? Easy. All non day ticket waters
I'm not sure why a car breaking down would cause a problem?
@post 349
DIY and gardens? Not much you can do as you can't buy anything.
Hobbies? Mines fishing mainly. And football. Gym..
Crafts? I'm not a 63 year old women
Books? Fair point.
Games console? Neither am I a 14 year old boy
Computers? Meh
Phones? Pfft
@351
Detention centres for people that don't follow the rules? Have we become a police state?
Limited access? Easy. All non day ticket waters
I'm not sure why a car breaking down would cause a problem?
@post 349
DIY and gardens? Not much you can do as you can't buy anything.
Hobbies? Mines fishing mainly. And football. Gym..
Crafts? I'm not a 63 year old women
Books? Fair point.
Games console? Neither am I a 14 year old boy
Computers? Meh
Phones? Pfft
@351
Detention centres for people that don't follow the rules? Have we become a police state?
In reply to Post #345
I think you are being very selfish with your views, the best way to reduce contact is to STAY AT HOME!! i despair at the views of some i am going to work nearly every day and working longer hours more shifts putting myself at risk so people can have food when they have to go out to the supermarkets.
My sister works for the nhs in a very stressful job and has continued to work putting herself at risk to help others why do some idiots think its ok to go out for non essential travel and hobbies , id be far happier if she didn't go to work instead of helping the idiots that are making this situation a lot worse!!
I think you are being very selfish with your views, the best way to reduce contact is to STAY AT HOME!! i despair at the views of some i am going to work nearly every day and working longer hours more shifts putting myself at risk so people can have food when they have to go out to the supermarkets.
My sister works for the nhs in a very stressful job and has continued to work putting herself at risk to help others why do some idiots think its ok to go out for non essential travel and hobbies , id be far happier if she didn't go to work instead of helping the idiots that are making this situation a lot worse!!
In reply to Post #353
Hi Nick,
Re your opinion on the lockdown, I hear what you say, because my syndicate has only 20 members on a 25 acre pit and we could easily adopt social distancing, providing nobody needs a hand landing a turbo charged fish and photos taken etc. To expect all anglers on all waters to strictly stick to the distancing rule is unrealistic. Human nature is such that a minority will flout the guidelines, like the weekend before last, when 1000s flocked to parks and beaches having a social, which then prompted the government to impose the lockdown.
Don't blame the government, blame the idiots who presumably think they are immortal.
BB.
Hi Nick,
Re your opinion on the lockdown, I hear what you say, because my syndicate has only 20 members on a 25 acre pit and we could easily adopt social distancing, providing nobody needs a hand landing a turbo charged fish and photos taken etc. To expect all anglers on all waters to strictly stick to the distancing rule is unrealistic. Human nature is such that a minority will flout the guidelines, like the weekend before last, when 1000s flocked to parks and beaches having a social, which then prompted the government to impose the lockdown.
Don't blame the government, blame the idiots who presumably think they are immortal.
BB.
In reply to Post #358
simply going shopping is a much bigger risk to everyone than leaving the home to go fishing.
Agreed but you have to go food shopping or most do, you dont have to go fishing.
simply going shopping is a much bigger risk to everyone than leaving the home to go fishing.
Agreed but you have to go food shopping or most do, you dont have to go fishing.
In reply to Post #348
Agreed NM. There is a non essential travel ban. Angling is not on the essential travel list. I'd take the cards off anyone found angling during this period. Show's you're a chancer and no loss to the water.
Agreed NM. There is a non essential travel ban. Angling is not on the essential travel list. I'd take the cards off anyone found angling during this period. Show's you're a chancer and no loss to the water.
The thing is when rules are set they have to be for everyone or it will be chaos. Can you imagine the government putting into measures to sort out the biggest crisis this country's seen since ww2 and boris addressing the nation and saying “right outdoor sports are ok as long as you promise, hand on heart, not to be naughty and get too close to anyone, now off you go and be good”
Maybe they should apply this logic to all our other laws as well. How about “we've changed the law on drink driving, if you're a big bloke and you've had a decent curry then you'll probably be alright, so crack on”
On the point about people dying anyway. This has given me the proper hump. My god daughter is 23, she was my bridesmaid and unfortunately she was born with some health issues meaning that if she gets a lung infection she has breathing difficulties. She's needed a lot of operations during her short life. But she is otherwise ok. Today I received news that she is in isolation in hospital. If she contracts covid19 make no mistake it will kill her. But according to some on here, she's just a statistic and so somehow she doesn't count. I will be sure to phone her terrified parents and tell them not to worry as she was probably gonna die anyway. I'm sure that will be great comfort to them. There's some people on here that should take a very long look at themselves and put themselves in other people's shoes for five minutes.
Maybe they should apply this logic to all our other laws as well. How about “we've changed the law on drink driving, if you're a big bloke and you've had a decent curry then you'll probably be alright, so crack on”
On the point about people dying anyway. This has given me the proper hump. My god daughter is 23, she was my bridesmaid and unfortunately she was born with some health issues meaning that if she gets a lung infection she has breathing difficulties. She's needed a lot of operations during her short life. But she is otherwise ok. Today I received news that she is in isolation in hospital. If she contracts covid19 make no mistake it will kill her. But according to some on here, she's just a statistic and so somehow she doesn't count. I will be sure to phone her terrified parents and tell them not to worry as she was probably gonna die anyway. I'm sure that will be great comfort to them. There's some people on here that should take a very long look at themselves and put themselves in other people's shoes for five minutes.
In reply to Post #358
I would usually agree that we may not agree and its fine to agree to disagree. Perhaps you would agree that there are times when it is not alright to disagree. The current lethal pandemic being one of those times. Let's agree to agree that if not doing what we want to do, but doing what we must do to save even one life is the only thing to do. Fishing is none essential, full stop.
I would usually agree that we may not agree and its fine to agree to disagree. Perhaps you would agree that there are times when it is not alright to disagree. The current lethal pandemic being one of those times. Let's agree to agree that if not doing what we want to do, but doing what we must do to save even one life is the only thing to do. Fishing is none essential, full stop.
In reply to Post #358
Hi Blackfield,
You and I may be perfectly safe and sensible going fishing and observing the guidelines, and it may seem unreasonable to you, but it's not about us, it's about the other guys.
The minority of idiots who will flout the rules and risk spreading the virus.
Then if fishing was allowed, then rough shooters, bird watchers, country walkers, beach combers, wildlife watchers etc. will all insist on doing their thing. Then you have a recipe for chaos.
Unfortunately, rules have to be based on the lowest common denominator.
BB.
Hi Blackfield,
You and I may be perfectly safe and sensible going fishing and observing the guidelines, and it may seem unreasonable to you, but it's not about us, it's about the other guys.
The minority of idiots who will flout the rules and risk spreading the virus.
Then if fishing was allowed, then rough shooters, bird watchers, country walkers, beach combers, wildlife watchers etc. will all insist on doing their thing. Then you have a recipe for chaos.
Unfortunately, rules have to be based on the lowest common denominator.
BB.
In reply to Post #366
Agreed and It seems we have our fair share of common denominators on here
Edit
Perhaps that's a little unfair maybe a handful or so
Agreed and It seems we have our fair share of common denominators on here
Edit
Perhaps that's a little unfair maybe a handful or so
In reply to Post #337
Spot on
Spot on
In reply to Post #364
100% agree, this is so true everyone thinks it won't effect them or there families. Until it does then it's all I wish I never done this or that. Can't believe some companies are still open offering bait. Please stay at home, it's crap we know but it will save lives and we can get back to normality quicker.
100% agree, this is so true everyone thinks it won't effect them or there families. Until it does then it's all I wish I never done this or that. Can't believe some companies are still open offering bait. Please stay at home, it's crap we know but it will save lives and we can get back to normality quicker.
I'm sticking to the rules,but then again I wonder how many accidents there has been in the home with many self isolating..im the worlds worse for falling down the stairs.and thats sober..
In reply to Post #370
Not been on for a few days and still can't believe this is still carrying on! Stay in Stay safe the fish aren't going anywhere 😀
Not been on for a few days and still can't believe this is still carrying on! Stay in Stay safe the fish aren't going anywhere 😀
In reply to Post #371
Got a mate who's got the virus and been put on one of those new Dyson ventilators ..... He's picking up nicely ...
Got a mate who's got the virus and been put on one of those new Dyson ventilators ..... He's picking up nicely ...
In reply to Post #373
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In reply to Post #366
Never have I read a more true thread response.
We have to make rules suitable for ....deleted... all.
Never have I read a more true thread response.
We have to make rules suitable for ....deleted... all.
In reply to Post #377
Another mate i know is a yacht builder and working from home.......His sails have gone through the roof....
Another mate i know is a yacht builder and working from home.......His sails have gone through the roof....
In reply to Post #379
One of the main symptoms of Covid-19 is a loss of taste.
My wife rang the emergency number when I started laughing at Mrs Brown's Boys.....
One of the main symptoms of Covid-19 is a loss of taste.
My wife rang the emergency number when I started laughing at Mrs Brown's Boys.....
As we are on lockdown and no fishing within this would it be acceptable to guest a few SSSi waters as I have 250 acres of them within walking distance, I mean you have to do it by stealth and on your own anyway so would still very much be isolating......
In reply to Post #381
Give it a month or 2 and it will be interesting to see if anyone gets the odd sneaky session in
Give it a month or 2 and it will be interesting to see if anyone gets the odd sneaky session in
In reply to Post #380
Supposedly Greggs are getting around the ban by implementing a new Drone delivery service.....
An official source however said it was all pie in the sky
Supposedly Greggs are getting around the ban by implementing a new Drone delivery service.....
An official source however said it was all pie in the sky
In reply to Post #381
There's still fishing going on we're lakes are open
There's still fishing going on we're lakes are open
In reply to Post #382
A month or two? Have you noticed how quiet this thread has gone after only a week and a half
A month or two? Have you noticed how quiet this thread has gone after only a week and a half
In reply to Post #382
Give it a month or 2 and it will be interesting to see if anyone gets the odd sneaky session
Months.......nah more like now.......
Give it a month or 2 and it will be interesting to see if anyone gets the odd sneaky session
Months.......nah more like now.......
In reply to Post #392
Had a walk (exercise) couple times last week round a very local syndicate water I'm no longer a member of..... 3 bivvys on there both times I passed there... people out there doing it now
Had a walk (exercise) couple times last week round a very local syndicate water I'm no longer a member of..... 3 bivvys on there both times I passed there... people out there doing it now
In reply to Post #393
Did you give them a good talking too?
Did you give them a good talking too?
In reply to Post #394
Not my place mate....the fishery owners responsibility not mine !
Not my place mate....the fishery owners responsibility not mine !
In reply to Post #394
Very stupid thing to do, next thing people will all think there Corona police with plenty of violent incidents occurring......
Very stupid thing to do, next thing people will all think there Corona police with plenty of violent incidents occurring......
In reply to Post #395
you could contact the fishery owners...
you could contact the fishery owners...
In reply to Post #398
And hardly any on the roads it would appear.
And hardly any on the roads it would appear.
So when this all first kicked off they were going on about delaying the spread until we get warmer weather. Was that to ease the general winter strain on the NHS or Does the warm weather affect the virus spreading
In reply to Post #399
There around were I live but there not stopping anyone
There around were I live but there not stopping anyone
In reply to Post #401
Don't they still wear pointy hats and ride bicycles ware you live.
Don't they still wear pointy hats and ride bicycles ware you live.
In reply to Post #400
I think the former. Less strain on NHS services in the warmer months makes sense.
I think the former. Less strain on NHS services in the warmer months makes sense.
In reply to Post #402
Yep,they haven't got anything else to do because there normally sat in McDonald's
Yep,they haven't got anything else to do because there normally sat in McDonald's
In reply to Post #403
As I thought. Makes sense
As I thought. Makes sense
In reply to Post #405
Hi Beny,
As well as that, I read that the virus has an optimum temp. requirement of around 10°C and that science hopes that very warm summer temps. will reduce its survival.
BB.
Hi Beny,
As well as that, I read that the virus has an optimum temp. requirement of around 10°C and that science hopes that very warm summer temps. will reduce its survival.
BB.
In reply to Post #80
2 Weeks later and people are slowing it down. This weekend is the test
2 Weeks later and people are slowing it down. This weekend is the test
In reply to Post #406
In reply to Post #400
They didn't want any delay to the spread if they did they would have brought the lock down in 2-3 weeks before they did, read up on Dominic Cummings and you will understand why. As to you other point they don't know if warmer weather effects the virus but what they do know is during this time is the rate of chest related problems drop but until then there will be many daily deaths.
They didn't want any delay to the spread if they did they would have brought the lock down in 2-3 weeks before they did, read up on Dominic Cummings and you will understand why. As to you other point they don't know if warmer weather effects the virus but what they do know is during this time is the rate of chest related problems drop but until then there will be many daily deaths.
In reply to Post #382
I'm chewing at the bit now, but behaving myself.
A mate was telling me about a radio interview with a police commissioner on LBC I think he said it was. The police in West Midlands are not enforcing people not fishing or 'essential travel'. The PC said as long as people have a valid excuse to drive, even if that is to a country spot for their exercise, then they are allowing it, yet in Scotland it is no driving other than to shops or medical aid for the vulnerable.
Sounds like each police force is choosing different guidelines!
Personally, I can walk my dog around a couple of lakes and along the river. On the park lake, open access, I know anglers who bivvy up have been turfed off, yet a family fishing the day weren't.
The island lakes, I have wandered around, with a pocketful of dog biscuits to see if there are any carp left in there, although I know otters were about.
I've not seen any chub on the river either, even though I know the rivers don't open until 16th June, it is worth looking.
My local Voluntary bailiff is also walking the rivers.
Sadly, as I have pointed out earlier in the thread, with easily found figures available from Google, the NHS is regularly overwhelmed in flu season from October/November to March/April.
The warmer weather should also help reduce virus spread.
I heard that a care home has had a number of elderly die, think it was 10 in two weeks, really sad.
I'm chewing at the bit now, but behaving myself.
A mate was telling me about a radio interview with a police commissioner on LBC I think he said it was. The police in West Midlands are not enforcing people not fishing or 'essential travel'. The PC said as long as people have a valid excuse to drive, even if that is to a country spot for their exercise, then they are allowing it, yet in Scotland it is no driving other than to shops or medical aid for the vulnerable.
Sounds like each police force is choosing different guidelines!
Personally, I can walk my dog around a couple of lakes and along the river. On the park lake, open access, I know anglers who bivvy up have been turfed off, yet a family fishing the day weren't.
The island lakes, I have wandered around, with a pocketful of dog biscuits to see if there are any carp left in there, although I know otters were about.
I've not seen any chub on the river either, even though I know the rivers don't open until 16th June, it is worth looking.
My local Voluntary bailiff is also walking the rivers.
Sadly, as I have pointed out earlier in the thread, with easily found figures available from Google, the NHS is regularly overwhelmed in flu season from October/November to March/April.
The warmer weather should also help reduce virus spread.
I heard that a care home has had a number of elderly die, think it was 10 in two weeks, really sad.
i don't think there's any evidence yet to suggest the virus doesn't spread in hot weather.
I know other viruses are adversely affected by heat but given that Iran (as an example of a hotter country) is estimated to have over 55000 cases and over 3000 deaths, I don't think we should be believing Trumps statement that it 'dies in April'...
Don't get me wrong, I'm hopeful as everyone is, but let's not state it as fact yet eh?
It is possible that some of the underlying conditions could be less serious in the summer and that will hopefully have a knock on effect. Fingers crossed...
I know other viruses are adversely affected by heat but given that Iran (as an example of a hotter country) is estimated to have over 55000 cases and over 3000 deaths, I don't think we should be believing Trumps statement that it 'dies in April'...
Don't get me wrong, I'm hopeful as everyone is, but let's not state it as fact yet eh?
It is possible that some of the underlying conditions could be less serious in the summer and that will hopefully have a knock on effect. Fingers crossed...
In reply to Post #7
We are all in this together. Dont you see. We cannot go fishing, no matter how safe it is or the canoeists will come out, the wild campers will come out, the four wheel drivers will come out...and we have lost.
Although our Health Secretary is himself struggling with the message:
Stay at home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives.
We are all in this together. Dont you see. We cannot go fishing, no matter how safe it is or the canoeists will come out, the wild campers will come out, the four wheel drivers will come out...and we have lost.
Although our Health Secretary is himself struggling with the message:
Stay at home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives.
In reply to Post #411
It's a bit of a misconception that Iran is a very hot country it's sumners are hot but in winter it is bitterly cold. It suffers from the cold air streams coming from Russia. Also what most people don't realise is that Iran is quite mountainous, it's tallest mountains are higher than the Alps and it has lots of ski resorts. According to my weather app the temperature in Tehran was 14° today.
It's a bit of a misconception that Iran is a very hot country it's sumners are hot but in winter it is bitterly cold. It suffers from the cold air streams coming from Russia. Also what most people don't realise is that Iran is quite mountainous, it's tallest mountains are higher than the Alps and it has lots of ski resorts. According to my weather app the temperature in Tehran was 14° today.
In reply to Post #10
People are NOT ignoring the government advice and subsequent instruction. Most people are staying indoors. The media are very keen in showing people outdoors in parks within cities but these people are only a minute proportion of the population. Again; Stay at Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives. You do not want to catch this virus nor watch members of your family die.
People are NOT ignoring the government advice and subsequent instruction. Most people are staying indoors. The media are very keen in showing people outdoors in parks within cities but these people are only a minute proportion of the population. Again; Stay at Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives. You do not want to catch this virus nor watch members of your family die.
In reply to Post #415
Not directly replying to you sorry..
I've just seen a young a lad on Instagram who has been fishing today even tagged the fishery, apologies ive not read any of this thread yet, isn't this illegal?
Not directly replying to you sorry..
I've just seen a young a lad on Instagram who has been fishing today even tagged the fishery, apologies ive not read any of this thread yet, isn't this illegal?
In reply to Post #411
True, and importantly the NHS is less pressured in the spring and summer weather so can deal with virus patients more effectively
True, and importantly the NHS is less pressured in the spring and summer weather so can deal with virus patients more effectively
I'm no expert but I have a friend in India who says that the virus does not survive for long when temps get above 28 degrees. Thats one day in August then !
In reply to Post #418
Boy racers and bikers have been tearing up and down the local bypass all day it's a joke they are more likely to have an accident tearing about in their bikes and cars driving like idiots and will end up taking up the much needed ambulances and paramedics when they crash.
Boy racers and bikers have been tearing up and down the local bypass all day it's a joke they are more likely to have an accident tearing about in their bikes and cars driving like idiots and will end up taking up the much needed ambulances and paramedics when they crash.
In reply to Post #15
Surely you realise they have our best interest at heart. Use your local shop.
Surely you realise they have our best interest at heart. Use your local shop.
In reply to Post #419
Yes yet more selfish idiots, on saturday afternoon the post had just been delivered to my street the post van set off around 10 mins later sound of sirens then air ambulance landed on the school playing fields, turns out some bellend racing on his motorbike lost control and crashed into post van.
Yes yet more selfish idiots, on saturday afternoon the post had just been delivered to my street the post van set off around 10 mins later sound of sirens then air ambulance landed on the school playing fields, turns out some bellend racing on his motorbike lost control and crashed into post van.
In reply to Post #421
Idiots
I live 2 minutes drive from a huge hospital and I hear them tearing up the road at all hours knowing that ambulances will be nearby....
Idiots
I live 2 minutes drive from a huge hospital and I hear them tearing up the road at all hours knowing that ambulances will be nearby....
lots of cars jumping red lights around my way.
In reply to Post #348
Spot on, save lives
Spot on, save lives
In reply to Post #424
Just heard there will be around of applause for courier and delivery drivers.
It could be anytime between 7 am and 9 pm......
Just heard there will be around of applause for courier and delivery drivers.
It could be anytime between 7 am and 9 pm......
In reply to Post #416
Can somebody let me know where I report a fishery that is still open? Keep seeing a young lad on my Instagram fishing at this certain fishery every couple days..
Can somebody let me know where I report a fishery that is still open? Keep seeing a young lad on my Instagram fishing at this certain fishery every couple days..
In reply to Post #426
You dont know the facts and dont you think the authorities have enough on their plate!
You dont know the facts and dont you think the authorities have enough on their plate!
In reply to Post #426
We're all jealous and we all want to go fishing but there is no need to grass folks up. It's not like they're sitting in the pub with others.
We're all jealous and we all want to go fishing but there is no need to grass folks up. It's not like they're sitting in the pub with others.
In reply to Post #427
Crikey I wish i had never asked - it's a busy day ticket fishery, takes one person to spread germs on a lock etc, hence my worries, just trying to do my bit..
Crikey I wish i had never asked - it's a busy day ticket fishery, takes one person to spread germs on a lock etc, hence my worries, just trying to do my bit..
In reply to Post #428
It's more the worry of it being spread on locks etc, it looks a busy day ticket water. Just trying to help out but I'll leave it..
It's more the worry of it being spread on locks etc, it looks a busy day ticket water. Just trying to help out but I'll leave it..
In reply to Post #428
Keeping it quite is one thing but is this the chap that's broadcasting that he's fishing on Instagram?
With stupidity like that he's opening himself up to be grassed on.
Keeping it quite is one thing but is this the chap that's broadcasting that he's fishing on Instagram?
With stupidity like that he's opening himself up to be grassed on.
In reply to Post #431
I do not know who you're referring to, but with posts such as ‘one of 4 from today' etc he's really not keeping it quiet!
I do not know who you're referring to, but with posts such as ‘one of 4 from today' etc he's really not keeping it quiet!
In reply to Post #432
This bloke
Keep seeing a young lad on my Instagram fishing at this certain fishery every couple days
This bloke
Keep seeing a young lad on my Instagram fishing at this certain fishery every couple days
In reply to Post #433
Amazes me why anyone would even want to go at the minute, health v Fishing absolute no brainier
Amazes me why anyone would even want to go at the minute, health v Fishing absolute no brainier
In reply to Post #433
Pm sent
Pm sent
In reply to Post #428
I don't see it as grassing Yonny. The guy said it's a young lad. There's plenty of bad households in this country without this never before known lockdown possibly making it worse in the home. There could be a problem or it just needs a bit of reeducation for the lad. Either way it's better to find out and keep an eye out for people in my book.
I don't see it as grassing Yonny. The guy said it's a young lad. There's plenty of bad households in this country without this never before known lockdown possibly making it worse in the home. There could be a problem or it just needs a bit of reeducation for the lad. Either way it's better to find out and keep an eye out for people in my book.
In reply to Post #437
Fair point buddy. I see it as grassing for the simple reason that if I was still a young lad I'd probs be doing the same lol (minus the broadcasting it).
Fair point buddy. I see it as grassing for the simple reason that if I was still a young lad I'd probs be doing the same lol (minus the broadcasting it).
In reply to Post #438
I know what you mean, I'd have done anything as a kid to get out. But these are different times mate.
I know what you mean, I'd have done anything as a kid to get out. But these are different times mate.
In reply to Post #439
In reply to Post #427
Costing live, or are some exempt
Costing live, or are some exempt
In reply to Post #434
Saw at least 3 bivvies on Littleton south tonight whilst driving out of London, I gather no one is patrolling this water where TH filmed the tunnels video.
Saw at least 3 bivvies on Littleton south tonight whilst driving out of London, I gather no one is patrolling this water where TH filmed the tunnels video.
In reply to Post #430
Fecking Corona police everywhere nowadays........Grassing on people fishing, grassing on going to the shops, grassing on someone turning up at a house etc etc etc.......
Fecking Corona police everywhere nowadays........Grassing on people fishing, grassing on going to the shops, grassing on someone turning up at a house etc etc etc.......
In reply to Post #443
So just do what's advised and hopefully be out of the **** earlier. 😀😀😀
So just do what's advised and hopefully be out of the **** earlier. 😀😀😀
In reply to Post #426
F**k him mate, grass him up. He's broadcasting it on social media. If we all just did whatever we wanted to the banks would be rammed and it would be spreading even faster. Regardless of his opinion, the rules apply to him
Im seeing what this virus is doing to people, first hand on a daily basis and tbh it is grim. Its the only thing that has genuinely frightened me for the last 20 years . Everyone should stick to the rules
Those that think that it doesnt apply to them for whatever reason are either thick, selfish or most likely both
F**k him mate, grass him up. He's broadcasting it on social media. If we all just did whatever we wanted to the banks would be rammed and it would be spreading even faster. Regardless of his opinion, the rules apply to him
Im seeing what this virus is doing to people, first hand on a daily basis and tbh it is grim. Its the only thing that has genuinely frightened me for the last 20 years . Everyone should stick to the rules
Those that think that it doesnt apply to them for whatever reason are either thick, selfish or most likely both
In reply to Post #443
Someone had a bonfire out the paddocks behind our estate 8 people from the village called the fire brigade!! The family were burning stuff they'd cleared from the paddocks in the daytime. People really have so little to do than scrutinise others every single movement at the minute and it's shocking.
Someone had a bonfire out the paddocks behind our estate 8 people from the village called the fire brigade!! The family were burning stuff they'd cleared from the paddocks in the daytime. People really have so little to do than scrutinise others every single movement at the minute and it's shocking.
In reply to Post #443
nothing to do with being a paid up member of the corona police, it was a statement about people blatantly fishing and going against government advice. Me personally am itching to get back to work and return to normality and idiots like whom I saw last night are taking the pi55 tbh especially as its in full view of the traffic on the M3
nothing to do with being a paid up member of the corona police, it was a statement about people blatantly fishing and going against government advice. Me personally am itching to get back to work and return to normality and idiots like whom I saw last night are taking the pi55 tbh especially as its in full view of the traffic on the M3
I saw a bloke walking with carp gear in hand heading to the local lake this morning. T@@t.
In reply to Post #448
Not many can predict wind direction changes, not even you.
It's a phenomena called consideration, in other words, other people exist alongside you, let's spare a little thought for them. Burning rubbish can wait, if it was only organic matter it will break down, if not then it will still be there for you later.
However, if one self centred clown decides their actions are just fine another dozen will follow suit.
Not many can predict wind direction changes, not even you.
It's a phenomena called consideration, in other words, other people exist alongside you, let's spare a little thought for them. Burning rubbish can wait, if it was only organic matter it will break down, if not then it will still be there for you later.
However, if one self centred clown decides their actions are just fine another dozen will follow suit.
In reply to Post #461
should we not have bbqs then either?
Considering no smoke would blow in to any houses regardless if wind direction. And if it did reach them
It would not be but a mere whiff, not thick enough to severely affect anyone with any respiratory illnesses, covid19 related or not. Is it the worst thing in the world?
The whole nations seems to be jumping on the slightest of actions and branding people murderers. It's mental.
should we not have bbqs then either?
Considering no smoke would blow in to any houses regardless if wind direction. And if it did reach them
It would not be but a mere whiff, not thick enough to severely affect anyone with any respiratory illnesses, covid19 related or not. Is it the worst thing in the world?
The whole nations seems to be jumping on the slightest of actions and branding people murderers. It's mental.
In reply to Post #462
This is why I used the term 'phenomena' to describe the act of showing consideration for others,it's like it's some sort of mythical state of being rumoured to exist but nobody willingly subscribes to.
There goes the "me,me,me" entitlement generation.
This is why I used the term 'phenomena' to describe the act of showing consideration for others,it's like it's some sort of mythical state of being rumoured to exist but nobody willingly subscribes to.
There goes the "me,me,me" entitlement generation.
In reply to Post #463
just seems as though all this negativity to anyone stepping out their house or going about their business will ruin the country quicker than the virus will. A bonfire at any time of the year could cause distress to anyone with any respiratory illness, so why now are people calling the fire brigade but they never have done before? I suppose that's The question, not whether it's right or wrong to have one
just seems as though all this negativity to anyone stepping out their house or going about their business will ruin the country quicker than the virus will. A bonfire at any time of the year could cause distress to anyone with any respiratory illness, so why now are people calling the fire brigade but they never have done before? I suppose that's The question, not whether it's right or wrong to have one
In reply to Post #446
Someone had a bonfire out the paddocks behind our estate 8 people from the village called the fire brigade
How do you know it was 8 people?
Did the fire brigade turn up?
Someone had a bonfire out the paddocks behind our estate 8 people from the village called the fire brigade
How do you know it was 8 people?
Did the fire brigade turn up?
In reply to Post #464
Hi Greekskii,
I think what Pooter is implying is that rules are not made to apply to sensible people, they are made to restrict the activities of the feckless and stupid who will follow suit to what they see another idiots doing.
BB.
Hi Greekskii,
I think what Pooter is implying is that rules are not made to apply to sensible people, they are made to restrict the activities of the feckless and stupid who will follow suit to what they see another idiots doing.
BB.
In reply to Post #466
You got it.
You got it.
In reply to Post #465
The local Facebook group. They did indeed. They saw it and left. I gather the “raging inferno” reported which was actually a smouldering heap by the evening was not deemed worthy of being put out. Bare in mind the fire was started at around 3pm but people started moaning on Facebook and reporting it hours afterwards.
The local Facebook group. They did indeed. They saw it and left. I gather the “raging inferno” reported which was actually a smouldering heap by the evening was not deemed worthy of being put out. Bare in mind the fire was started at around 3pm but people started moaning on Facebook and reporting it hours afterwards.
In reply to Post #466
I'm still just wondering why now, with this virus a bonfire isn't acceptable because respiratory illnesses exist outside of ones bought on by this virus.
Pooter do you oppose bonfires and bbqs year round? Or just now? If so, can you explain why when respiratory illness exist year round.
I'm still just wondering why now, with this virus a bonfire isn't acceptable because respiratory illnesses exist outside of ones bought on by this virus.
Pooter do you oppose bonfires and bbqs year round? Or just now? If so, can you explain why when respiratory illness exist year round.
In reply to Post #468
So the fire brigade got 8 separate calls, did they turn up?
Maybe it was the time 3pm especially if it's a smelly fire where manmade materials are being burned.
Although there is no law it is considered inconsiderate to have a fire at that time, it's more neighbourly to start fires at dusk.
So the fire brigade got 8 separate calls, did they turn up?
Maybe it was the time 3pm especially if it's a smelly fire where manmade materials are being burned.
Although there is no law it is considered inconsiderate to have a fire at that time, it's more neighbourly to start fires at dusk.
In reply to Post #470
Yes they did turn up. I said that. And they drove off. It was brambles and wood burning only. I walked past it on my daily exercise. 8 people on the Facebook post said they'd called it in so unless they lied the emergency services got 8 calls about it.
No one reported it until about 6/7pm. The fire was gone, it was smouldering by then. The time that it is neighbourly time have one.
Again, I'm indifferent to if they should have one or not but last year they had them weekly and never did a fire engine show up or anyone moan on Facebook. This is my point, why have people suddenly started opposing everything anyone does?
Yes they did turn up. I said that. And they drove off. It was brambles and wood burning only. I walked past it on my daily exercise. 8 people on the Facebook post said they'd called it in so unless they lied the emergency services got 8 calls about it.
No one reported it until about 6/7pm. The fire was gone, it was smouldering by then. The time that it is neighbourly time have one.
Again, I'm indifferent to if they should have one or not but last year they had them weekly and never did a fire engine show up or anyone moan on Facebook. This is my point, why have people suddenly started opposing everything anyone does?
In reply to Post #471
why have people suddenly started opposing everything anyone does?
I don't think they have, I don't think this incident is coronavirus related.
Fire brigade should only turn up if a bonfire is out of control so to me it's more than nosey neighbours they should be done for making multiple unnecessary emergency calls.
why have people suddenly started opposing everything anyone does?
I don't think they have, I don't think this incident is coronavirus related.
Fire brigade should only turn up if a bonfire is out of control so to me it's more than nosey neighbours they should be done for making multiple unnecessary emergency calls.
In reply to Post #471
I read this thread every night after work, and I'm going to have to stop as it just keeps on highlighting what is wrong with our society. I'm in the military so I suppose being told what to do is the norm, but all we have been asked to do is stay at home, not split the atom, put a man on the moon or open heart surgery. Thats it, yes its boring, yes it's frustrating, but it's that easy. The simplest way of saving a life ever, FACT as Rafa would say.
I'm threaders with driving home every night seeing the local Tour de France of people who have never seen a bike before, groups of kids, the list goes on. People think that cos the sun is out and we've done 2.5 weeks its job done, embarrassing.
I read this thread every night after work, and I'm going to have to stop as it just keeps on highlighting what is wrong with our society. I'm in the military so I suppose being told what to do is the norm, but all we have been asked to do is stay at home, not split the atom, put a man on the moon or open heart surgery. Thats it, yes its boring, yes it's frustrating, but it's that easy. The simplest way of saving a life ever, FACT as Rafa would say.
I'm threaders with driving home every night seeing the local Tour de France of people who have never seen a bike before, groups of kids, the list goes on. People think that cos the sun is out and we've done 2.5 weeks its job done, embarrassing.
In reply to Post #473
A huge thankyou to you and the rest of you guys and ladies that are serving the nation .My uncle did 36 years in the R.A.F and my nephew did a stint but had to be medically discharged.If I could go back,I would join the military
A huge thankyou to you and the rest of you guys and ladies that are serving the nation
.My uncle did 36 years in the R.A.F and my nephew did a stint but had to be medically discharged.If I could go back,I would join the military
In reply to Post #473
You're absolutely right.
Thanks for being there for us all mate
You're absolutely right.
Thanks for being there for us all mate
In reply to Post #469
I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse but, as has been pointed out on numerous posts that this is not the best time for people to be serving their own interests.
The answer to your question are the words 'global pandemic' and the point I'm trying to get across is "consideration for others".
It's a concept of collective responsibility, not the individuals sense of self entitlement.If you don't understand that there's little more I can say.
I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse but, as has been pointed out on numerous posts that this is not the best time for people to be serving their own interests.
The answer to your question are the words 'global pandemic' and the point I'm trying to get across is "consideration for others".
It's a concept of collective responsibility, not the individuals sense of self entitlement.If you don't understand that there's little more I can say.
In reply to Post #476
You didn't answer the question though did you? Do you oppose them all year round and have done for a long time or just now?
What is different to lighting a fire now than this time last year? Respiratory illnesses existed then too did they not? Also how does extremely low, non dangerous levels of smoke in the air increase chances of catching this virus?
You're the one avoiding questions and trying to tell me that people shouldn't feel entitled and light a fire.
You didn't answer the question though did you? Do you oppose them all year round and have done for a long time or just now?
What is different to lighting a fire now than this time last year? Respiratory illnesses existed then too did they not? Also how does extremely low, non dangerous levels of smoke in the air increase chances of catching this virus?
You're the one avoiding questions and trying to tell me that people shouldn't feel entitled and light a fire.
In reply to Post #477
I wouldn't bother answering Pooter. If he replies then ignore it, let him have the last word if he needs it, the rest of us will understand
I wouldn't bother answering Pooter. If he replies then ignore it, let him have the last word if he needs it, the rest of us will understand
In reply to Post #478
I'm not going to continue, he clearly doesn't read the responses and cannot work out that his questions have been answered, albeit in a way he cannot or will not try to understand.
I'm not going to continue, he clearly doesn't read the responses and cannot work out that his questions have been answered, albeit in a way he cannot or will not try to understand.
In reply to Post #478
I'm sure you have had to put that twice today
I'm sure you have had to put that twice today
In reply to Post #480
Yes to save time I copied, modified and pasted it
Yes to save time I copied, modified and pasted it
In reply to Post #473
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In reply to Post #488
Great, people please stay at home etc, we all know
Great, people please stay at home etc, we all know
It's going to be a long lockdown for some posters if they carry on with the way they are posting.
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Drove past 2 syndicates today, both had 2/3 cars in the car parks.
In reply to Post #493
Whilst the majority of people behave in a thoughtful manner there are always going to be some that think it doesn't matter personally,I hope not they get banned for life. I did see a tackle company running a YouTube video after the lock down sadly and I won't purchase any of those terminal Tackle because of it.
Whilst the majority of people behave in a thoughtful manner there are always going to be some that think it doesn't matter personally,I hope not they get banned for life. I did see a tackle company running a YouTube video after the lock down sadly and I won't purchase any of those terminal Tackle because of it.
In reply to Post #494
It was probably filmed before the lockdown went in to effect?
It was probably filmed before the lockdown went in to effect?
In reply to Post #473
Spot on mate. I work for a large care organisation as a medic/fire marshall/trainer so have currently been working 7 day weeks to pick up the slack as many of our staff over the UK are having to self isolate either through symptoms, other family member symptoms or being in an 'At Risk' category.
I am blown away with just how difficult it seems for some people!!! The news was showing parks full of people over the weekend. I see more cyclists daily now than I used to see in a year, everyone seems to be running, the car parks are closed near nature palks on my routes so instead the roads are filled with cars parked badly.
I would literally give my right nut to be made to stay in my house all day!!! We have internet, satellite TV, DAB radio, millions of books available for download, food delivered to our doors but still we get the idiots out and about. Last week I was working at a site that had 3 ambulance call outs over 3 days and each time they took forever to arrive, speaking with the crew it was pretty much the same story, dealing with runners, clyclists or hikers who had taken a tumble, wasting scarce PPE to deal with them. The guys who came on the friday said they had been out to more drink related accidents in the last week that the last 3 months!!
I am sad to say my Grandfathers who fought in the wars would be turing in their graves, back then you stayed in when told, ate whatever you could and got on with life. When people were told to hunker down in the old tube stations and the country was dark and still....they did just that for as long as it took. Now you would get a load of idiots running around, waving torches in the air, inviting bombs to be dropped on them just because they don't like being told what to do!
Credit to you for your service mate and stay safe.
Spot on mate. I work for a large care organisation as a medic/fire marshall/trainer so have currently been working 7 day weeks to pick up the slack as many of our staff over the UK are having to self isolate either through symptoms, other family member symptoms or being in an 'At Risk' category.
I am blown away with just how difficult it seems for some people!!! The news was showing parks full of people over the weekend. I see more cyclists daily now than I used to see in a year, everyone seems to be running, the car parks are closed near nature palks on my routes so instead the roads are filled with cars parked badly.
I would literally give my right nut to be made to stay in my house all day!!! We have internet, satellite TV, DAB radio, millions of books available for download, food delivered to our doors but still we get the idiots out and about. Last week I was working at a site that had 3 ambulance call outs over 3 days and each time they took forever to arrive, speaking with the crew it was pretty much the same story, dealing with runners, clyclists or hikers who had taken a tumble, wasting scarce PPE to deal with them. The guys who came on the friday said they had been out to more drink related accidents in the last week that the last 3 months!!
I am sad to say my Grandfathers who fought in the wars would be turing in their graves, back then you stayed in when told, ate whatever you could and got on with life. When people were told to hunker down in the old tube stations and the country was dark and still....they did just that for as long as it took. Now you would get a load of idiots running around, waving torches in the air, inviting bombs to be dropped on them just because they don't like being told what to do!
Credit to you for your service mate and stay safe.
In reply to Post #497
Thanks mate, I just wish more got it like you.
Thanks mate, I just wish more got it like you.
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In reply to Post #497
its getting a bit more silly now.
I work in the utility sector with electricity so do some work from home and out and about 2 or 3 days a week on site.
My other half is an A&E Nurse running a red zone covid reception at a hospital on the front line ( bless her)
we are both seeing more traffic on the road day on day now as this is essentially week 4 of lockdown and weekends are a joke with obvious visitors to houses near to us and families meeting for lovely times when the sun is out !!!!!!
its getting a bit more silly now.
I work in the utility sector with electricity so do some work from home and out and about 2 or 3 days a week on site.
My other half is an A&E Nurse running a red zone covid reception at a hospital on the front line ( bless her)
we are both seeing more traffic on the road day on day now as this is essentially week 4 of lockdown and weekends are a joke with obvious visitors to houses near to us and families meeting for lovely times when the sun is out !!!!!!
In reply to Post #500
Yep and people driving like idiots on the quieter roads - I saw a transit van overtaking other cars in a 30 limit last week... as to the fishing, well, a certain lake in the Corringham area (best known for catfish) has been allowing the lockdown breakers in. I guess because it's so close to a lot residential properties they think they can get away with it? Pal of mine did report it to Police - we don't know if they acted though. Incredibly selfish behaviour from the owner and guests alike.
Yep and people driving like idiots on the quieter roads - I saw a transit van overtaking other cars in a 30 limit last week... as to the fishing, well, a certain lake in the Corringham area (best known for catfish) has been allowing the lockdown breakers in. I guess because it's so close to a lot residential properties they think they can get away with it? Pal of mine did report it to Police - we don't know if they acted though. Incredibly selfish behaviour from the owner and guests alike.
In reply to Post #497
“Last week I was working at a site that had 3 ambulance call outs over 3 days and each time they took forever to arrive, speaking with the crew it was pretty much the same story, dealing with runners, clyclists or hikers who had taken a tumble, wasting scarce PPE to deal with them”
Sorry. I'm calling bull**** on this.
I do not believe that enough cyclists, runners or hikers have “taken a tumble” to delay an ambulance on what are now largely empty roads.
“Last week I was working at a site that had 3 ambulance call outs over 3 days and each time they took forever to arrive, speaking with the crew it was pretty much the same story, dealing with runners, clyclists or hikers who had taken a tumble, wasting scarce PPE to deal with them”
Sorry. I'm calling bull**** on this.
I do not believe that enough cyclists, runners or hikers have “taken a tumble” to delay an ambulance on what are now largely empty roads.
In reply to Post #503
There are not as many ambulances on the road,they have got lots of staff off.Military are being asked to help to drive the ambulances and ex paramedics to come out of retirement too.I know because my father in law is doing exactly that.So it may well not be so unbelievable that they are struggling to keep up with calls being received
There are not as many ambulances on the road,they have got lots of staff off.Military are being asked to help to drive the ambulances and ex paramedics to come out of retirement too.I know because my father in law is doing exactly that.So it may well not be so unbelievable that they are struggling to keep up with calls being received
Hi All
As an expat it's very upsetting to hear the news coming out of the UK in the press and on the forum especially the numbers. Some of the press pics of people ignoring the lockdown are shocking and will probably have contributed to extra deaths that should have been avoided.
Wishing all form members good health during these dark times and I hope you all come out the other side.
Stay safe
Jon
As an expat it's very upsetting to hear the news coming out of the UK in the press and on the forum especially the numbers. Some of the press pics of people ignoring the lockdown are shocking and will probably have contributed to extra deaths that should have been avoided.
Wishing all form members good health during these dark times and I hope you all come out the other side.
Stay safe
Jon
In reply to Post #505
Don't think for a moment that it's a UK problem only, there's selfish idiots in every country. The idiots in Australia that packed Bondi Beach even after restrictions were in place no doubt caused the needless deaths of many many people. Similarly for Parisians that ignored restrictions until Macron got tough.
The French were hardly doing as requested until Macron threw the toys out the pram and brought in increased fines and the attestation for all travel.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/world/europe/coronavirus-france-macron-travel-ban.html
France had already closed schools, cafes, restaurants and nonfood shops, as well as Paris parks. But the French government was taken aback by the casualness with which the French, and particularly Parisians, greeted the earlier restrictions on Sunday. The parks were full and there were crowds along the embankments and at the outdoor markets and pushing into bakeries and small food shops.
“There was something shocking about it,” Hervé Berville, a legislator who is close to Mr. Macron, said in a telephone interview Monday. “The French are not respecting the security warnings,” he said. “People are not following social distancing.” He said that it was “shocking'' that people were ignoring health professionals and “the advice coming from the highest levels of government.''
So Mr. Macron tried to convey the urgency of the need to follow the order to stay home — or else. “Any violation of these rules will be penalized,'' he said in Monday's speech. The French Interior Minister, Christophe Castaner, said those caught outside without a valid reason would be fined.
In Australia we had similar disregard for restrictions :
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison ordered the closure of most venues from Monday, including pubs, casinos, gyms and cinemas.
The move followed concern from authorities that people were disregarding health and government warnings to avoid large gatherings in recent days - including by flocking to Sydney's popular Bondi Beach.
Don't think for a moment that it's a UK problem only, there's selfish idiots in every country. The idiots in Australia that packed Bondi Beach even after restrictions were in place no doubt caused the needless deaths of many many people. Similarly for Parisians that ignored restrictions until Macron got tough.
The French were hardly doing as requested until Macron threw the toys out the pram and brought in increased fines and the attestation for all travel.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/world/europe/coronavirus-france-macron-travel-ban.html
France had already closed schools, cafes, restaurants and nonfood shops, as well as Paris parks. But the French government was taken aback by the casualness with which the French, and particularly Parisians, greeted the earlier restrictions on Sunday. The parks were full and there were crowds along the embankments and at the outdoor markets and pushing into bakeries and small food shops.
“There was something shocking about it,” Hervé Berville, a legislator who is close to Mr. Macron, said in a telephone interview Monday. “The French are not respecting the security warnings,” he said. “People are not following social distancing.” He said that it was “shocking'' that people were ignoring health professionals and “the advice coming from the highest levels of government.''
So Mr. Macron tried to convey the urgency of the need to follow the order to stay home — or else. “Any violation of these rules will be penalized,'' he said in Monday's speech. The French Interior Minister, Christophe Castaner, said those caught outside without a valid reason would be fined.
In Australia we had similar disregard for restrictions :
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison ordered the closure of most venues from Monday, including pubs, casinos, gyms and cinemas.
The move followed concern from authorities that people were disregarding health and government warnings to avoid large gatherings in recent days - including by flocking to Sydney's popular Bondi Beach.
In reply to Post #506
Australia is probably not the best reference to make your point
They've had under 70 deaths
Australia is probably not the best reference to make your point
They've had under 70 deaths
In reply to Post #507
The point was about people ignoring movement restrictions. There's idiots everywhere and they will allow the disease to spread and kill people as a result of their actions. France being an example close to the UK that's been hit hard even though they have ( apparently ) the best health service in the world.
It's not just a UK problem.
As to why some areas are affected more by the Virus there are some theories about as it's obviously affecting some countries much more so than others regardless of their lock downs. We'll have a better idea next year. You'd have expected some highly populated areas to be decimated by it but they have hardly any deaths whilst other cities have been hit hard (New York).
For some countries you have to question their death figures as they are reporting such low figures. Is it under reporting or another factor ( currently unknown ) reducing deaths? .. We'll have a better idea next year when more research has been done.
The point was about people ignoring movement restrictions. There's idiots everywhere and they will allow the disease to spread and kill people as a result of their actions. France being an example close to the UK that's been hit hard even though they have ( apparently ) the best health service in the world.
It's not just a UK problem.
As to why some areas are affected more by the Virus there are some theories about as it's obviously affecting some countries much more so than others regardless of their lock downs. We'll have a better idea next year. You'd have expected some highly populated areas to be decimated by it but they have hardly any deaths whilst other cities have been hit hard (New York).
For some countries you have to question their death figures as they are reporting such low figures. Is it under reporting or another factor ( currently unknown ) reducing deaths? .. We'll have a better idea next year when more research has been done.
In reply to Post #509
sh*t music too....
sh*t music too....
In reply to Post #501
So can a fishery open or not during the current lock down, is it illegal or down to the owner to decide. There are syndicates open near to me whilst mine is rightly shut.
No point in making any law if you don not have the resource to police it
And as for people travelling unnecessarily well perhaps an announcement in several other languages may help
So can a fishery open or not during the current lock down, is it illegal or down to the owner to decide. There are syndicates open near to me whilst mine is rightly shut.
No point in making any law if you don not have the resource to police it
And as for people travelling unnecessarily well perhaps an announcement in several other languages may help
In reply to Post #511
don't think you are allowed to say,i replied to post 501 asking if it was of 2 waters that was open and my post was removed..
don't think you are allowed to say,i replied to post 501 asking if it was of 2 waters that was open and my post was removed..
In reply to Post #504
Yet even before coronavirus there weren't enough paramedics and ambulances available.
I think it was earlier in the thread I made the point about seeing a road traffic collision in front of me before the lockdown. One child and two elderly injured. The police were asking for paramedic assistance and were told it was a 2 hour wait. The two police officers and myself were giving first aid treatment once the road was cleared.
Yet even before coronavirus there weren't enough paramedics and ambulances available.
I think it was earlier in the thread I made the point about seeing a road traffic collision in front of me before the lockdown. One child and two elderly injured. The police were asking for paramedic assistance and were told it was a 2 hour wait. The two police officers and myself were giving first aid treatment once the road was cleared.
In reply to Post #513
That's what happens when budgets are cut
That's what happens when budgets are cut
In reply to Post #509
One of my club waters that was, the cheeky sod.
On the plus side the old bill were walking round it a couple of days later so that should put people off poaching it!
One of my club waters that was, the cheeky sod.
On the plus side the old bill were walking round it a couple of days later so that should put people off poaching it!
In reply to Post #514
That's what happens when you allow mass immigration of 500k per year every year since the mid 80s.
Used to be capped off at 16k per year before that...and no government since the Bliar has had the balls to stop it for fear of being bashed to death with the racist stick.
That's what happens when you allow mass immigration of 500k per year every year since the mid 80s.
Used to be capped off at 16k per year before that...and no government since the Bliar has had the balls to stop it for fear of being bashed to death with the racist stick.
In reply to Post #516
I don't get that mate, there are hundreds of foreign workers in the NHS putting their lives on the line dealing with this virus. Without them we would be in a proper state!
Also, a racist stick or European one?
Probably same as all these Romanians that they are now asking to come over to pick all the cabbages and rest of the veg because none of these lazy people on the dole want the work, probably happier sat in the council house smoking pot all day for free, lazy people
While ever we are paying giro's out and offering housing to lazy people who contribute nothing we will need all the foreign works we can to do the jobs that they won't. Don't blame them, blame the lazy people who won't get off their arses and do a days work. Start at home first for me
I don't get that mate, there are hundreds of foreign workers in the NHS putting their lives on the line dealing with this virus. Without them we would be in a proper state!
Also, a racist stick or European one?
Probably same as all these Romanians that they are now asking to come over to pick all the cabbages and rest of the veg because none of these lazy people on the dole want the work, probably happier sat in the council house smoking pot all day for free, lazy people
While ever we are paying giro's out and offering housing to lazy people who contribute nothing we will need all the foreign works we can to do the jobs that they won't. Don't blame them, blame the lazy people who won't get off their arses and do a days work. Start at home first for me
In reply to Post #516
Your hospital doesn't have any immigrant staff then?
Watch the news and look at the people who are losing their lives caring for us all.
Your hospital doesn't have any immigrant staff then?
Watch the news and look at the people who are losing their lives caring for us all.
In reply to Post #516
In reply to Post #518
I don't work in a hospital... My wife does though and I'm a key worker too so wind your necks in the lot of you.
I don't work in a hospital... My wife does though and I'm a key worker too so wind your necks in the lot of you.
In reply to Post #521
Wind your own neck in, you daft sod.
Wind your own neck in, you daft sod.
Why the **** we are bringing over EU residents to pick Fruit is beyond me, plenty of EU citizens already here to keep doing it......what this has to with Fishing I do not know.....
In reply to Post #523
It doesn't, neither does comments about immigrants unless they are eating our carp again lol. Yesterday's chip wrappers Wayne
It doesn't, neither does comments about immigrants unless they are eating our carp again lol. Yesterday's chip wrappers Wayne
Certain midlands waters are still going strong lake exclusive booking and people travelling down from as far as Scotland. Groups have rang up and cancelled because of the virus they have lost there deposit and the lakes have been sold again for that week. It's outrageous obviously the owner knows its wrong as he has not posted anything on social media about the captures. Across the lakes he ownes it could be 200 people a week coming from all over for exclusive bookings.
In reply to Post #525
Seriously?
Seriously?
In reply to Post #525
Afraid so yonny. It's madness.
In reply to Post #528
Agreed.
Care to name the fisheries mate?
Agreed.
Care to name the fisheries mate?
Yonny think West Midlands. controversial waters and fish and you won't be far away.
In reply to Post #530
Gotcha. Silly question in hindsight lol.
Gotcha. Silly question in hindsight lol.
In reply to Post #530
We probably all know where you are talking about but just a reminder..
No naming of persons or waters on the basis of unsubstantiated rumours
These topics will be deleted or moved into the Moderators area for review.
We probably all know where you are talking about but just a reminder..
No naming of persons or waters on the basis of unsubstantiated rumours
These topics will be deleted or moved into the Moderators area for review.
Always the same people yonny. Cam I never named the water just Incase it upset people. If my post is not allowed please delete no offence was intended.
In reply to Post #533
I get that mate, just reminding people that's all.
I get that mate, just reminding people that's all.
In reply to Post #534
My fault for asking lads, apologies
My fault for asking lads, apologies
In reply to Post #535
naughty boy, don't do it again
naughty boy, don't do it again
In reply to Post #536
Had an email from the environment agency this morning. It's simple and clear and reminds us that the lockdown and social distancing....
'...means that none of us should be leaving our houses to go fishing.'
I wonder if that will make a difference though.....
'...means that none of us should be leaving our houses to go fishing.'
I wonder if that will make a difference though.....
Saw this on the Angling Trust's FB page, from today's Telegraph
In reply to Post #539
Positive news and hopefully will be sooner rather than later. No problem in practicing social distancing effectively on a golf course or fishing lake and will do wonders for a lot of people's mental health.
Positive news and hopefully will be sooner rather than later. No problem in practicing social distancing effectively on a golf course or fishing lake and will do wonders for a lot of people's mental health.
Hi guys a newbie here so be gentle
As a sufferer of mental health fishing is not just a sport it is such important part of my life and just seeing that article has just given me an important and welcome lift.Im obviously 100% behind social distancing and the lockdown and so proud of the way most people have observed the rules but cant wait to get back out.Ive been following your forum for sometime now but not really one that's confident posting on forums but hey ho here's the first of many.Hope every one is safe and well and cant wait to get back out
As a sufferer of mental health fishing is not just a sport it is such important part of my life and just seeing that article has just given me an important and welcome lift.Im obviously 100% behind social distancing and the lockdown and so proud of the way most people have observed the rules but cant wait to get back out.Ive been following your forum for sometime now but not really one that's confident posting on forums but hey ho here's the first of many.Hope every one is safe and well and cant wait to get back out
In reply to Post #541
Welcome mate, great post and i think you speak for us all...
Welcome mate, great post and i think you speak for us all...
In reply to Post #541
As Spod says - welcome.
It's not so bad on here - and mostly some really good advice when you need it.
I think a lot of us are recognising our fishing as being important in different ways while we aren't allowed to go.
Chuffy - let's keep our fingers crossed eh?
As Spod says - welcome.
It's not so bad on here - and mostly some really good advice when you need it.
I think a lot of us are recognising our fishing as being important in different ways while we aren't allowed to go.
Chuffy - let's keep our fingers crossed eh?
In reply to Post #541
Great first post
Great first post
In reply to Post #538
I see two fellas yesterday fishing the river
I see two fellas yesterday fishing the river
In reply to Post #545
if you see them again push them in
if you see them again push them in
In reply to Post #541
Hi Afc, you've made your first post which made perfect sense, didn't start an arguement about boilie stops or something equally trivial, and didn't ask how to flog stuff. That probably puts you in the mods' Top Posts Of The Week list. Post with confidence!
Hi Afc, you've made your first post which made perfect sense, didn't start an arguement about boilie stops or something equally trivial, and didn't ask how to flog stuff. That probably puts you in the mods' Top Posts Of The Week list. Post with confidence!
Thanks guys looking forward to chatting to you guys
After all that's happening at the moment I would rather give my fishing gear away to people rather than just write silly posts just to get to the 100!!! Unfortunately at the moment like every one else just want to go fishing but know that patience is the key but would rather sign up to your forum to have sensible chats regarding fishing baits etc and use it as a way to communicate with other anglers wether its advice on tackle venues etc.👍
In reply to Post #545
But it's closed season on rivers, I hope they were using social distancing.!
But it's closed season on rivers, I hope they were using social distancing.!
In reply to Post #547
Hi Afc
As Jon says
Hi Afc
As Jon says
In reply to Post #541
Well said
Well said
In reply to Post #541
Don't be afraid to post AFCdon. hope you get back fishing soon!
Don't be afraid to post AFCdon. hope you get back fishing soon!
In reply to Post #1
Just seen someone on Instagram posting/bragging about fishing with the fish he has caught that's fishing at a well known lake near to where I live. Thing is the lake only got found out less then two weeks ago that they were letting people on and they are at it again!!
Be interesting to see the local fishing Facebook groups all kick off again as it got very heated on there the last time they were caught out!
Just seen someone on Instagram posting/bragging about fishing with the fish he has caught that's fishing at a well known lake near to where I live. Thing is the lake only got found out less then two weeks ago that they were letting people on and they are at it again!!
Be interesting to see the local fishing Facebook groups all kick off again as it got very heated on there the last time they were caught out!
In reply to Post #545
Just back from a walk with the dog along my local river and there is a fella fishing hold as brass. It really does beggar belief.
Just back from a walk with the dog along my local river and there is a fella fishing hold as brass. It really does beggar belief.
In reply to Post #555
Without trying to be controversial did he be appear to be British because without a language or cultural barrier to overcome surely everyone would realise there's a close season and a lockdown in place.
Without trying to be controversial did he be appear to be British because without a language or cultural barrier to overcome surely everyone would realise there's a close season and a lockdown in place.
In reply to Post #556
I have no idea but even if there was a language barrier. There are signs put up by the controlling club at each access point in 5 languages. I have called the EA. Really does my brain in.
I have no idea but even if there was a language barrier. There are signs put up by the controlling club at each access point in 5 languages. I have called the EA. Really does my brain in.
In reply to Post #557
You've done your bit it's now up to the EA earn their keep
You've done your bit it's now up to the EA earn their keep
In reply to Post #541
Welcome buddy. it's great in here,just don't say you prefer Delks over Fox and you'll be sweet.
Welcome buddy. it's great in here,just don't say you prefer Delks over Fox and you'll be sweet.
Fishing over here in Belgium allowed again from may 4th onwards!
Live press conference just finished on tv.
Well happy!
Live press conference just finished on tv.
Well happy!
In reply to Post #560
That's a result. Hope we follow on soon behind you. Will businesses be starting to come out of lockdown as well on May 4th ?
That's a result. Hope we follow on soon behind you. Will businesses be starting to come out of lockdown as well on May 4th ?
In reply to Post #561
All shops open again may 11, but with social dinstancing rules still going and masks required.
Pubs and restaurants stay closed till at least june 8, so plenty of time for me to go fishing.
All shops open again may 11, but with social dinstancing rules still going and masks required.
Pubs and restaurants stay closed till at least june 8, so plenty of time for me to go fishing.
In reply to Post #562
How can you have social distancing in a pub or a restaurant and still be able to get enough people in there to able to make it worth opening? How do you eat and drink with a mask on?
Looks like we are all heading to Belgium for fishing soon then :-)
How can you have social distancing in a pub or a restaurant and still be able to get enough people in there to able to make it worth opening? How do you eat and drink with a mask on?
Looks like we are all heading to Belgium for fishing soon then :-)
In reply to Post #563
That's why pubs and restaurants stay closed for at least 6 more weeks.
And the Belgian borders stay closed for non-essential traffic, so no invading Belgium for fishing yet.
That's why pubs and restaurants stay closed for at least 6 more weeks.
And the Belgian borders stay closed for non-essential traffic, so no invading Belgium for fishing yet.
In reply to Post #564
I suppose the good news is they must be pretty confident you'll be well over the worst of it by June then. Fingers crossed.
I suppose the good news is they must be pretty confident you'll be well over the worst of it by June then. Fingers crossed.
In reply to Post #560
May the 4th be with you.
It's an old one I suppose but still relevant.
May the 4th be with you.
It's an old one I suppose but still relevant.
We never had a fishing lockdown over here in germany, just contact rules.
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020-04-25/police-fine-anglers-for-making-long-journeys-to-cambridgeshire-lakes/
Some people do get caught.
Some people do get caught.
In reply to Post #568
If we all did that !! Some proper selfish clowns out there.....
If we all did that !! Some proper selfish clowns out there.....
In reply to Post #568
From Lowestoft
From Lowestoft
In reply to Post #570
Who could it possibly be?
Who could it possibly be?
In reply to Post #571
In reply to Post #571
Yeah right yeah
Yeah right yeah
In reply to Post #1
Police break up anti-lock down rally headed by Jeremy Corbyn's brother. Link
If Jeremy would have won the election I reckon this crisis would all be over by now........
Light touch paper. Retreat to a safe distance. Enjoy the fireworks.
Police break up anti-lock down rally headed by Jeremy Corbyn's brother. Link
If Jeremy would have won the election I reckon this crisis would all be over by now........
Light touch paper. Retreat to a safe distance. Enjoy the fireworks.
In reply to Post #574
Yea the lock down maybe, the NHS would be overwhelmed, the UK would be in the biggest depression ever paying trillions to bail out the eu.
Yea the lock down maybe, the NHS would be overwhelmed, the UK would be in the biggest depression ever paying trillions to bail out the eu.
In reply to Post #565
We can only hope there isn't a resurgence
We can only hope there isn't a resurgence
In reply to Post #574
And if that vagrant was PM and caught COVID 19 as did Boris then Diane Abbot would have been in charge
And if that vagrant was PM and caught COVID 19 as did Boris then Diane Abbot would have been in charge
In reply to Post #577
Yes but on the bright side only about 200 people would have died. If the tally was 19,200 and 800 people died the following day that would be about right wouldn't it? I forgot, maths isn't Diane's strong subject, is it?
Yes but on the bright side only about 200 people would have died. If the tally was 19,200 and 800 people died the following day that would be about right wouldn't it? I forgot, maths isn't Diane's strong subject, is it?
Beginning to understand what has happened to carp angling in the last 30 years.
In reply to Post #579
It's gone to ****
It's gone to ****
In reply to Post #577
Oh Jesus imagine that imbecile running the country
Oh Jesus imagine that imbecile running the country
In reply to Post #580
Yep, unless you can buy your way out of the mess.
Yep, unless you can buy your way out of the mess.
Great update on the angling trust Facebook guys
In reply to Post #583
its just their thoughts, nothing formal or agreed by the government. Sorry to put a dampener on it, but it means nothing.
its just their thoughts, nothing formal or agreed by the government. Sorry to put a dampener on it, but it means nothing.
In reply to Post #583
Hmmmm... "local only"... Not sure how that could be managed on a syndicate....
My syndicate have previously had interaction with the Angling Trust and they were beyond useless.
Hmmmm... "local only"... Not sure how that could be managed on a syndicate....
My syndicate have previously had interaction with the Angling Trust and they were beyond useless.
In reply to Post #586
Just saw on the BBC news you should only travel for as long as you excercise I hour jog = 1 hour travelling? Now I wouldn't expect to travel to Cambridgeshire from my north London home but feel the Colne valley should be acceptable
Michael
Just saw on the BBC news you should only travel for as long as you excercise I hour jog = 1 hour travelling? Now I wouldn't expect to travel to Cambridgeshire from my north London home but feel the Colne valley should be acceptable
Michael
In reply to Post #578
It's so lucky that we have Priti Patel looking out for us instead
It's so lucky that we have Priti Patel looking out for us instead
In reply to Post #586
My local season ticket water is around 5 miles from my front door.
It can take me less time to drive there than it does to get the 2 miles into town.
My local season ticket water is around 5 miles from my front door.
It can take me less time to drive there than it does to get the 2 miles into town.
In reply to Post #589
Yep, and that's the problem about any specification of distance Nick, and I bet at rush hour, it would take miles longer to get into your town too.
Yep, and that's the problem about any specification of distance Nick, and I bet at rush hour, it would take miles longer to get into your town too.
In reply to Post #590
Doesn't even need to be just rush hour.
On Saturday's if football was on I would have to leave mine at 1.30 to be at work 15miles away for 3pm. No way to avoid football traffic as that comes into Ipswich from almost every direction.
The 5 miles to the reservoir at any time is 15minutes tops as it is all back roads, nowhere to get snarled up.
Doesn't even need to be just rush hour.
On Saturday's if football was on I would have to leave mine at 1.30 to be at work 15miles away for 3pm. No way to avoid football traffic as that comes into Ipswich from almost every direction.
The 5 miles to the reservoir at any time is 15minutes tops as it is all back roads, nowhere to get snarled up.
Will be interesting, if it is lifted, how they interpret "local"....bearing in mind the "exercise must be for longer than the journey" rule.....my syndicate is 30 miles away, about a 45 minute drive.....
Luckily I know the back roads well....
Luckily I know the back roads well....
In reply to Post #583
These suggestions cause an issue for any syndicates that supply the nets, mats and slings.
I'll just buy some more so I've one of everything for each member, but this could be a ballache for waters with lots of members.
These suggestions cause an issue for any syndicates that supply the nets, mats and slings.
I'll just buy some more so I've one of everything for each member, but this could be a ballache for waters with lots of members.
In reply to Post #593
Many fisheries have dips to minimise the spread of fish disease could the same dips be used agaist Corona Virus? worth looking into as we are told acni bacterial sanitisers with a minimum of 60% alcohol protect us from the virus something similar in the dips?
Just a thought.
Michael
Many fisheries have dips to minimise the spread of fish disease could the same dips be used agaist Corona Virus? worth looking into as we are told acni bacterial sanitisers with a minimum of 60% alcohol protect us from the virus something similar in the dips?
Just a thought.
Michael
I saw a now deleted thread which was about a midlands fishery being fished under the heading of "security"......personally as long as it is kept to a minimum, using very local members and is to protect the fishery as a business then i really don't see a problem.
One complex i am on has had some problems during lockdown so have introduced a voluntary bailiff programme. There are 7 lakes on the complex, 1 angler per lake at any time. It is keeping the place trouble free and protecting the stock. This was fully discussed with the local Police beforehand who had absolutely no problem with it at all and said it was perfectly acceptable in the circumstances..............how is this different from a client of mine who operates a builders yard, he's had 2 members of staff in around the clock to protect the business....
There's a lot of self-righteousness being preached at the moment, (generally, not just in fishing) probably by the same people who were climbing over each other to panic buy bog rolls before the lockdown.....
One complex i am on has had some problems during lockdown so have introduced a voluntary bailiff programme. There are 7 lakes on the complex, 1 angler per lake at any time. It is keeping the place trouble free and protecting the stock. This was fully discussed with the local Police beforehand who had absolutely no problem with it at all and said it was perfectly acceptable in the circumstances..............how is this different from a client of mine who operates a builders yard, he's had 2 members of staff in around the clock to protect the business....
There's a lot of self-righteousness being preached at the moment, (generally, not just in fishing) probably by the same people who were climbing over each other to panic buy bog rolls before the lockdown.....
In reply to Post #595
I agree Spod.
I have been for one walk round the lake I fish and guess what, someone poaching. The club was notified and they called the cops but they could really do with having someone there round the clock. In fact it's a no brainer imo.
I agree Spod.
I have been for one walk round the lake I fish and guess what, someone poaching. The club was notified and they called the cops but they could really do with having someone there round the clock. In fact it's a no brainer imo.
In reply to Post #596
I know of at least two fisheries that are having two people on at any given time for security purposes
I know of at least two fisheries that are having two people on at any given time for security purposes
In reply to Post #597
I can see the sense in people being present for security. Isn't that what bailiffs are for?
Different thing than people just deciding lockdown doesn't apply to them and posting on instagram...
The drive / exercise guideline says that your drive shouldn't be longer than your exercise, not that you should try and match them. It's also based on the guidance that exercise is mobile and active, not sitting by the side of a lake unfortunately....
I can see the sense in people being present for security. Isn't that what bailiffs are for?
Different thing than people just deciding lockdown doesn't apply to them and posting on instagram...
The drive / exercise guideline says that your drive shouldn't be longer than your exercise, not that you should try and match them. It's also based on the guidance that exercise is mobile and active, not sitting by the side of a lake unfortunately....
In reply to Post #598
My syndi is an hour and a half from me, if I then do 24 hours (as a bailiff) is that ok, confusing isn't it?
My syndi is an hour and a half from me, if I then do 24 hours (as a bailiff) is that ok, confusing isn't it?
In reply to Post #597
Wheras the water I bailiff stopped fishing under guidance from the council when the lockdown began 5 weeks ago and is now experiencing poaching. I suggested to the club yesterday that the 7 bailiffs should be allowed to fish on a rota to keep the lake safe, but was told that the council oversee everything, therefore no fishing at all until the country given the go ahead. And the madness of it all is that the lake has 100's of runners, walkers, cyclists etc going around it daily but we cant fish and keep the stock safe.
Wheras the water I bailiff stopped fishing under guidance from the council when the lockdown began 5 weeks ago and is now experiencing poaching. I suggested to the club yesterday that the 7 bailiffs should be allowed to fish on a rota to keep the lake safe, but was told that the council oversee everything, therefore no fishing at all until the country given the go ahead. And the madness of it all is that the lake has 100's of runners, walkers, cyclists etc going around it daily but we cant fish and keep the stock safe.
In reply to Post #600
Agree, madness.
Agree, madness.
In reply to Post #599
I'd say that journey is valid if you are going to bailiff for that time - but I'm not the rule maker.
(imagine if I was - that really would be confusing! 'Free cider Wednesdays' could be a big hit - but changing the national anthem to 'You'll Never Walk Alone' might not be so popular...)
As always, there are people with reasonable approaches and those who are just taking the p*ss. And when the vast majority of anglers are itching to get on the bank, there's always going to be some tetchiness when they see that a bailiff is doing a 24 hour session on a deserted lake... (not a dig at you)
Let's hope we get some lifting of restrictions soon eh?
I'm off to find the application form for Boss of the UK...
I'd say that journey is valid if you are going to bailiff for that time - but I'm not the rule maker.
(imagine if I was - that really would be confusing! 'Free cider Wednesdays' could be a big hit - but changing the national anthem to 'You'll Never Walk Alone' might not be so popular...)
As always, there are people with reasonable approaches and those who are just taking the p*ss. And when the vast majority of anglers are itching to get on the bank, there's always going to be some tetchiness when they see that a bailiff is doing a 24 hour session on a deserted lake... (not a dig at you)
Let's hope we get some lifting of restrictions soon eh?
I'm off to find the application form for Boss of the UK...
Great listening-piece from Rob Hughes on The Spodcast on Youtube regarding Covid-19 and fishing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20EsjKbH5H4&t=1122s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20EsjKbH5H4&t=1122s
It is ok being at the lake to protect the stock but any type of insurance claim for an accident will be laughed away by insurers so I would advise extreme caution, as for people fishing I think its taking the piss.
Why do they need to fish, just bivvy up if you are that concerned.
Why do they need to fish, just bivvy up if you are that concerned.
In reply to Post #604
Why do they need to fish, just bivvy up if you are that concerned.
What difference does it make?
Why do they need to fish, just bivvy up if you are that concerned.
What difference does it make?
In reply to Post #602
Oh I'm not a bailiff (don't tar me with that brush ) it's just how some fisheries are doing it, giving anglers bailiff status for 24 hours or so, they can fish and keep an eye on things
Oh I'm not a bailiff (don't tar me with that brush
) it's just how some fisheries are doing it, giving anglers bailiff status for 24 hours or so, they can fish and keep an eye on things
In reply to Post #605
Being on site to protect against being on site pretending to protect but in reality just there to fish
Being on site to protect against being on site pretending to protect but in reality just there to fish
In reply to Post #607
I see, we are talking about different things.
I am talking about giving those that protect their waters the right to at least make it enjoyable.
You are just not believing they want to protect their waters.
I see, we are talking about different things.
I am talking about giving those that protect their waters the right to at least make it enjoyable.
You are just not believing they want to protect their waters.
In reply to Post #605
The only argument I can see that makes sense is that many more people have drowned or died silently from a heart attack or similar while night fishing than have keeled over doing regular patrols of woodland. You meet a fair number of anglers who aren't what you'd describe as healthy, it's hardly a cardiovascular work out.
But it's a bit like asking if a tree fell in the woods does it make a sound, had the information been kept between owner and angler/‘bailiff', who'd know?
The only argument I can see that makes sense is that many more people have drowned or died silently from a heart attack or similar while night fishing than have keeled over doing regular patrols of woodland. You meet a fair number of anglers who aren't what you'd describe as healthy, it's hardly a cardiovascular work out.
But it's a bit like asking if a tree fell in the woods does it make a sound, had the information been kept between owner and angler/‘bailiff', who'd know?
In reply to Post #608
Yes that's correct
Yes that's correct
In reply to Post #606
apologies - didn't mean to insult
i guess it just doesn't feel 'right' - whatever that means - that people are finding loopholes in a system that's there to keep us all safer. it seems more like an 'i'm alright jack' approach than 'we're in this together'
who knows - if your temporary status as bailiff goes well they might offer you the job full time!
apologies - didn't mean to insulti guess it just doesn't feel 'right' - whatever that means - that people are finding loopholes in a system that's there to keep us all safer. it seems more like an 'i'm alright jack' approach than 'we're in this together'
who knows - if your temporary status as bailiff goes well they might offer you the job full time!
In reply to Post #610
.....so how do you keep an eye on things when you are tucked up in a bivvy fast asleep for half the night......if the reason they are allowed to be there is to protect and police the water then thats what they should be doing...!!!
.....so how do you keep an eye on things when you are tucked up in a bivvy fast asleep for half the night......if the reason they are allowed to be there is to protect and police the water then thats what they should be doing...!!!
In reply to Post #612
Every hour they reel all rods in and take turns to walk round the lake
Not!
Every hour they reel all rods in and take turns to walk round the lake
Not!
In reply to Post #611
if your temporary status as bailiff goes well they might offer you the job full time!
That's I why I daren't take them up on the offer
if your temporary status as bailiff goes well they might offer you the job full time!
That's I why I daren't take them up on the offer
In reply to Post #613
It's a loophole. B. S.
It's a loophole. B. S.
In reply to Post #614
In reply to Post #612
The term used is 'a security presence'. Purely being at the lakes, cars parked in clear view in the normal carparks seems to be working all around the country. The idea is that there isn't any confrontation.
I'd happily stay at my place without having the rods out, but I can assure you I wouldn't be getting two members volunteering most nights if they couldn't fish. The local police seem perfectly happy with my approach.
The term used is 'a security presence'. Purely being at the lakes, cars parked in clear view in the normal carparks seems to be working all around the country. The idea is that there isn't any confrontation.
I'd happily stay at my place without having the rods out, but I can assure you I wouldn't be getting two members volunteering most nights if they couldn't fish. The local police seem perfectly happy with my approach.
In reply to Post #617
maybe there's a gap in the market for lifesize cardboard cut outs of carp anglers - like the policemen in the petrol stations...
few of these dotted around in select swims and you're sorted
maybe there's a gap in the market for lifesize cardboard cut outs of carp anglers - like the policemen in the petrol stations...
few of these dotted around in select swims and you're sorted
In reply to Post #618
A club I'm a member of does have a couple of mannequins at the lake in clear view of the road.
Anything that keeps the thieving, vandalising scum away is worth a try.
A club I'm a member of does have a couple of mannequins at the lake in clear view of the road.
Anything that keeps the thieving, vandalising scum away is worth a try.
In reply to Post #619
love it!
i mean, I've fished next to a few dummies but....
love it!
i mean, I've fished next to a few dummies but....
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/stop-fish-being-removed-from-uk-rivers-canals-streams-1?fbclid=IwAR1HaWI-ajDGZTWbRTswmYl_esqFZgnR0r1MnBDKgLjmsoZYgYoRTQMw2W8
In reply to Post #622
done
done
In reply to Post #622
Cheers for the link.
The petition came from Fishery Watch.
Cheers for the link.
The petition came from Fishery Watch.
In reply to Post #622
Signed
Signed
Signed
In reply to Post #586
I hope my 20 minute drive comes under their phase one local travel. Phase 2 is organised boat trips etc so if non local is the same class as that it could be years
I hope my 20 minute drive comes under their phase one local travel. Phase 2 is organised boat trips etc so if non local is the same class as that it could be years
In reply to Post #628
Golf. Similar to angling and can be argued, more political weight than angling. Courses open soon I believe. We might be out within a fortnight. Get those jobs at home squared away...
Golf. Similar to angling and can be argued, more political weight than angling. Courses open soon I believe. We might be out within a fortnight. Get those jobs at home squared away...
The local aspect might be interesting. Wonder what constitutes a local water. My two syndicates are a 45 minute drive away so probably ruled out on that basis. I am guessing some people travel a lot further than that so will be interesting if syndicates can open but you only have some of the members 'allowed' to fish
In reply to Post #630
On the basis that the travel time should be less than the 'exercise' time unless you are driving for 49 hours, should be fine
On the basis that the travel time should be less than the 'exercise' time unless you are driving for 49 hours, should be fine
In reply to Post #622
signed
signed
Can't see the government making an exception for fishing sadly. They've consistently said that we are "all in this together" and I doubt they'll want to undermine that message and/or risk an uptick in people going out because they know anglers are doing it. I suspect people will be quite resentful that some groups of people have greater freedom than others.
Hope I'm wrong.
Hope I'm wrong.
In reply to Post #633
I don't think they will make an exception for fishing alone but i do think they will relax certain outdoors activities, (sailing, Golf, fishing, walking in national parks, etc) from next week as long as they can be done safely and practicing social distancing, (which should be easily achievable if people are sensible).
The Government are acutely aware of the strain the lockdown will be putting on peoples mental health and if an outdoor pursuit can be done in relative isolation, (as fishing can be) then they should look to make it happen.
I don't think they will make an exception for fishing alone but i do think they will relax certain outdoors activities, (sailing, Golf, fishing, walking in national parks, etc) from next week as long as they can be done safely and practicing social distancing, (which should be easily achievable if people are sensible).
The Government are acutely aware of the strain the lockdown will be putting on peoples mental health and if an outdoor pursuit can be done in relative isolation, (as fishing can be) then they should look to make it happen.
In reply to Post #634
you would hope for that wouldn't you..
but the key thing is 'if people are sensible' - which of course they all aren't. hence the muppets causing fires by having barbeques on winter hill etc. ....
fingers crossed eh?
you would hope for that wouldn't you..
but the key thing is 'if people are sensible' - which of course they all aren't. hence the muppets causing fires by having barbeques on winter hill etc. ....
fingers crossed eh?
In reply to Post #635
or everyone and their uncle buying an Argos fishing kit as an excuse to get out
or everyone and their uncle buying an Argos fishing kit as an excuse to get out
In reply to Post #636
oooh is Argos open?
oooh is Argos open?
In reply to Post #637
In reply to Post #635
"you would hope for that wouldn't you"
What's that supposed to mean fella?
I agree that you cannot trust people to be sensible but that applies lockdown or not, you will always have idiots....what do you suggest then, we all stay completely locked down until a vaccine is found?
It will be interesting that if the lockdown is lifted enough to allow fishing from next week how many of those preaching about not going will actually go....
"you would hope for that wouldn't you"
What's that supposed to mean fella?
I agree that you cannot trust people to be sensible but that applies lockdown or not, you will always have idiots....what do you suggest then, we all stay completely locked down until a vaccine is found?
It will be interesting that if the lockdown is lifted enough to allow fishing from next week how many of those preaching about not going will actually go....
In reply to Post #634
Absolutely spot on.
Absolutely spot on.
In reply to Post #633
Thing is there are many outdoor pursuits that can include social distancing, fishing on its own would not be an exception; canoeing, sailing, fishing, golf to name just four.
I know my work have already plans in place for when the golf course is allowed to be opened. No more than two people to tee off at a time, and ten minutes between tee off times, and all flags and bunker rakes to be removed.
Individual Sailing and canoeing is pretty easy, no need to use the clubhouse if inland, properly wipe down any shared equipment.
Fishing, I think we all know how to social distance.
In every pursuit, every street we have those who ignore social distancing.
Thing is there are many outdoor pursuits that can include social distancing, fishing on its own would not be an exception; canoeing, sailing, fishing, golf to name just four.
I know my work have already plans in place for when the golf course is allowed to be opened. No more than two people to tee off at a time, and ten minutes between tee off times, and all flags and bunker rakes to be removed.
Individual Sailing and canoeing is pretty easy, no need to use the clubhouse if inland, properly wipe down any shared equipment.
Fishing, I think we all know how to social distance.
In every pursuit, every street we have those who ignore social distancing.
In reply to Post #641
To be quite honest the idiots we are talking about here have breached the shutdown since day 1 and continue to do it now 😡 Easter weekend anyone? 😡 telling people to be sensible shows how stupid some people are as anyone by now should know the dangers and criteria but you have to cater for the lowest denominator! I think we are still in for 2 more weeks and then a slight relaxing 😎
To be quite honest the idiots we are talking about here have breached the shutdown since day 1 and continue to do it now 😡 Easter weekend anyone? 😡 telling people to be sensible shows how stupid some people are as anyone by now should know the dangers and criteria but you have to cater for the lowest denominator! I think we are still in for 2 more weeks and then a slight relaxing 😎
In reply to Post #639
What's with the narky response? I was agreeing that you would hope the government might consider people's mental health.
You get out the wrong side of bed?
Perhaps I should have written 'one would hope...' rather than 'you would. ..' does that help?
What's with the narky response? I was agreeing that you would hope the government might consider people's mental health.
You get out the wrong side of bed?
Perhaps I should have written 'one would hope...' rather than 'you would. ..' does that help?
In reply to Post #643
Get you now mate, just shows how you can read things in more than one way!!
Get you now mate, just shows how you can read things in more than one way!!
At least the social distancing should stop the punishers if you happen to be catching a few.
In reply to Post #644
No worries
Typical blades fan.... always on the defensive...
No worries
Typical blades fan.... always on the defensive...
In reply to Post #642
Sad isn't it, we had 6 or 7 anglers caught nationwide; 3 at Mepal, and some in the Lea Valley making headline news, yet the picnickers in the park, the cyclists and joggers almost gets glossed over now. Heck look at the pictures on London and Westminster bridges at NHS Clap time.
Sad isn't it, we had 6 or 7 anglers caught nationwide; 3 at Mepal, and some in the Lea Valley making headline news, yet the picnickers in the park, the cyclists and joggers almost gets glossed over now. Heck look at the pictures on London and Westminster bridges at NHS Clap time.
It's going to be madness on the lakes when they do re open what with 4 million on furlough and loads more who are self employed who can't work at the moment . It will be like the old June 16th every day until people can get back to work .
Roll on winter.
Roll on winter.
In reply to Post #648
Totally agree it will be manic.
All the more reason that we proper fisherman/anglers whatever you prefer are out on the banks, I've a feeling that we may be in for some bad press if we don't exercise a little bit of self-regulation.
We need to keep an eye open as to what may be going on at local lakes (as that is where we should be - local, not a 45m drive away). there will be a sudden crop of 'newbies' to the cause and many of them and their mums/dads/grandads/uncles won't have aclue about our fair pastime.
Totally agree it will be manic.
All the more reason that we proper fisherman/anglers whatever you prefer are out on the banks, I've a feeling that we may be in for some bad press if we don't exercise a little bit of self-regulation.
We need to keep an eye open as to what may be going on at local lakes (as that is where we should be - local, not a 45m drive away). there will be a sudden crop of 'newbies' to the cause and many of them and their mums/dads/grandads/uncles won't have aclue about our fair pastime.
Hi everyone
Less chance of catching covid-19 at your local lakes than you are at places like b&q and all the leading supermarkets, all fisherman I know play by the rules, come on government no reason why our lakes can't soon open
Less chance of catching covid-19 at your local lakes than you are at places like b&q and all the leading supermarkets, all fisherman I know play by the rules, come on government no reason why our lakes can't soon open
In reply to Post #649
Yes i forgot to mention nobody at school or further education so add all those into the pot as well .
Yes i forgot to mention nobody at school or further education so add all those into the pot as well .
Well regardless of what happens next week I may not be going anyway have been showing symptoms over last 24 hours temperature and sporadic cough booked in for drive through test 8 am Sunday so till then I'm isolating in the cabin at bottom of the garden.i not been at work and apart from my exercise I've bot been out,but wife works as a care Support worker and has had to work all the way through of which shes had no symptoms and is going to self isolate.fingers crossed nothing more than a cold but cant see it doing my anxiety problems any good for next few days till I get the results
In reply to Post #652
Hope you're ok mate. Fingers crossed for your test. Apparently it's pretty horrible...
Hope you're ok mate. Fingers crossed for your test. Apparently it's pretty horrible...
In reply to Post #653
I'm thanks mate I'm pretty good at mo when I booked it it said you get a choice of the mouth swab or the nose,gonna have a look to see if I can find any thing out tomorrow.The worst part is gonna be the wait for the results,analysing every cough etc I the mean time.i will say that within a couple minutes of filling my details I recieved the text back from them so site must be working pretty well,couldn't get anything for Saturday but Sunday was good enough
I'm thanks mate I'm pretty good at mo when I booked it it said you get a choice of the mouth swab or the nose,gonna have a look to see if I can find any thing out tomorrow.The worst part is gonna be the wait for the results,analysing every cough etc I the mean time.i will say that within a couple minutes of filling my details I recieved the text back from them so site must be working pretty well,couldn't get anything for Saturday but Sunday was good enough
In reply to Post #654
My Mrs had a test and she said you do it to yourself and you have to swab both sides of you throat and the your left nostril, she said the worst bit was the que, it was about an hour long and you have to have your windows shut and engine off and she had hers in that hot weather she nearly passed out through the heat. She ended up testing positive but only ever had cold like symptoms no cough or sore throat and only a slight headache and temperature luckily my kids havnt shown any symptoms and I've only had a slightly thickly throat so hopefully we've got off lightly. Hope it's the same for you and yours fella.
My Mrs had a test and she said you do it to yourself and you have to swab both sides of you throat and the your left nostril, she said the worst bit was the que, it was about an hour long and you have to have your windows shut and engine off and she had hers in that hot weather she nearly passed out through the heat. She ended up testing positive but only ever had cold like symptoms no cough or sore throat and only a slight headache and temperature luckily my kids havnt shown any symptoms and I've only had a slightly thickly throat so hopefully we've got off lightly. Hope it's the same for you and yours fella.
In reply to Post #655
Sounds pretty much like what I've got thanks for the kind message and hope you all ok
Sounds pretty much like what I've got thanks for the kind message and hope you all ok
In reply to Post #652
Good luck
Good luck
Drove past a syndicate near me today. It's only 3 acres and there were 6 vans in the car park.
In reply to Post #658
Good luck for tomorrow mate.
Good luck for tomorrow mate.
In reply to Post #660
Just went to local co-op for some veg, busiest I've ever seen it.
Apparently there are 2 metre lines on the floor weaving round the shop but no-one was more than a foot away from someone else, probably 30 or 40 of them
I turned around at the door and went to the mini M&S instead, which was virtually empty
First time I've been to a shop in the daytime for weeks, it's it like that everywhere?
Just went to local co-op for some veg, busiest I've ever seen it.
Apparently there are 2 metre lines on the floor weaving round the shop but no-one was more than a foot away from someone else, probably 30 or 40 of them
I turned around at the door and went to the mini M&S instead, which was virtually empty
First time I've been to a shop in the daytime for weeks, it's it like that everywhere?
In reply to Post #661
Unfortunately yes. Don't even think about getting on a bus.
Unfortunately yes. Don't even think about getting on a bus.
In reply to Post #662
OK so looking for the positive in that otherwise disappointing realisation.
I thought the numbers had leveled because of social distancing, but if the only social distancing is us not being able to go and sit by ourselves, then it should all be over soon, right
OK so looking for the positive in that otherwise disappointing realisation.
I thought the numbers had leveled because of social distancing, but if the only social distancing is us not being able to go and sit by ourselves, then it should all be over soon, right
In reply to Post #663
I have to go up to London once a week atm, yet again lockdown is well and truly over up there. As usual, a few people fishing the lakes alongside the M3 on the way home this eve.
I have to go up to London once a week atm, yet again lockdown is well and truly over up there. As usual, a few people fishing the lakes alongside the M3 on the way home this eve.
I heard yesterday that there's a local syndicate that's open as usual. Difficult to condemn them when there are loads of people driving to and walking along the nearby canal towpath.
In reply to Post #649
(as that is where we should be - local, not a 45m drive away)
Trouble is for some people in the North such as Carlisle, Middlesbrough, etc, their local water might be 45 miles away. I live in the Midlands (dead centre of the country) and the nearest accessible lake for me is a 30-45 minute drive in any direction - South for day ticket water or North for club water complex. All the others more local are syndicate or match waters. The owner of the day ticket venue I spend most of my time on has said he will close it off to others if I am booked on to lessen the risk of contact with anyone else. I wouldn't want him to do that, but it shows that some fishery owners are not in it purely for the money.
It's a bit different if you live in Cambs or Northants or even Essex/Kent, but there are places where there are no “local” venues on peoples doorsteps.
I will probably wait until June 16 anyway as I am one of those that have the 12 week self isolation due to respiratory problems & potential other complications with a knackered pancreas & MS. I am treating it like the old closed season pre-1995. Give the fish, wildlife & backside vegetation a rest & time to recover from being pressured all year round.
(as that is where we should be - local, not a 45m drive away)
Trouble is for some people in the North such as Carlisle, Middlesbrough, etc, their local water might be 45 miles away. I live in the Midlands (dead centre of the country) and the nearest accessible lake for me is a 30-45 minute drive in any direction - South for day ticket water or North for club water complex. All the others more local are syndicate or match waters. The owner of the day ticket venue I spend most of my time on has said he will close it off to others if I am booked on to lessen the risk of contact with anyone else. I wouldn't want him to do that, but it shows that some fishery owners are not in it purely for the money.
It's a bit different if you live in Cambs or Northants or even Essex/Kent, but there are places where there are no “local” venues on peoples doorsteps.
I will probably wait until June 16 anyway as I am one of those that have the 12 week self isolation due to respiratory problems & potential other complications with a knackered pancreas & MS. I am treating it like the old closed season pre-1995. Give the fish, wildlife & backside vegetation a rest & time to recover from being pressured all year round.
In reply to Post #665
Within reason driving somewhere and exercising (in this case walking) is allowed. Driving somewhere and sitting in your bivvy for a prolonged time is not.
Not saying fishing is a danger to others but once someone is allowed to break the rules then those who Pursue a different hobbies will want to and then another and another until distancing becomes impossible
Within reason driving somewhere and exercising (in this case walking) is allowed. Driving somewhere and sitting in your bivvy for a prolonged time is not.
Not saying fishing is a danger to others but once someone is allowed to break the rules then those who Pursue a different hobbies will want to and then another and another until distancing becomes impossible
****ing tadpoles everywhere at the minute.......hardly worth going anyway......
Test done truly horrible experience sticking a swab down the back of your throat and as far up your nose as you can get.So many people there waiting what a sad and horrible thing we are experiencing and truly puts everything in perspective,justvto know I've not been flouting the rules,wash my hands regularly etc.Stay safe people and il keep you posted
In reply to Post #669
Hope you get the all clear 👍
Hope you get the all clear 👍
In reply to Post #665
I no of a syndicate lake that in the second weekend of lockdown that held a match and has had his mates fishing (not bailiffs so no reason to be there)I'm glad I gave my ticket up this year.DISGRACEFULL!!!! And when 2 members questioned it they had their ticket taken off them.TOTAL W#####
I no of a syndicate lake that in the second weekend of lockdown that held a match and has had his mates fishing (not bailiffs so no reason to be there)I'm glad I gave my ticket up this year.DISGRACEFULL!!!! And when 2 members questioned it they had their ticket taken off them.TOTAL W#####
In reply to Post #670
Thanks mate
Thanks mate
In reply to Post #671
which lake was this mate, not sunbury way was it?
which lake was this mate, not sunbury way was it?
In reply to Post #673
No mate definitely not sunbury way
No mate definitely not sunbury way
In reply to Post #667
Hey Sir, I do understand where you're coming from, but I do think different hobbies have different considerations based on the ability to self isolate, as has already been hinted upon by the government
If we have to wait until all hobbies are allowed, for example going to a festival with thousands of others, then it's going to be a while
And this all based on the assumption that social distancing is happening, which clearly is not to the extent I thought it was. If your hobby is going to the pub to chat with your mates then you just have to drive to the co-op instead
Hey Sir, I do understand where you're coming from, but I do think different hobbies have different considerations based on the ability to self isolate, as has already been hinted upon by the government
If we have to wait until all hobbies are allowed, for example going to a festival with thousands of others, then it's going to be a while
And this all based on the assumption that social distancing is happening, which clearly is not to the extent I thought it was. If your hobby is going to the pub to chat with your mates then you just have to drive to the co-op instead
In reply to Post #675
The government has laid out it's 5 tests which must be achieved before easing of the lockdown. One of the tests is the R number, infection rates must remain under 1. It's currently at 0.7 because of the lockdown in place. Any changes to the lockdown may take that
R number back up and all the consequences that follow we now know. Big call to make to differentiate between hobbies when there's more at stake.
The government has laid out it's 5 tests which must be achieved before easing of the lockdown. One of the tests is the R number, infection rates must remain under 1. It's currently at 0.7 because of the lockdown in place. Any changes to the lockdown may take that
R number back up and all the consequences that follow we now know. Big call to make to differentiate between hobbies when there's more at stake.
In reply to Post #676
THIS I thought was interesting from yesterday's briefing 'fresh air and UV', that's us in the clear
I'm sure hey haven't let that one slip before, parks etc would of been even more rammed
THIS I thought was interesting from yesterday's briefing 'fresh air and UV', that's us in the clear
I'm sure hey haven't let that one slip before, parks etc would of been even more rammed
In reply to Post #676
If one of those tests fail it'll got back to the prior one I'm led believe. This is the route the Irish government is taking I heard on talkcrap radio. Problem is you know whats going to happen with all sports regardless.
The moment the restriction is partially lifted it'll be rammed with bellends doing socials not just fishing.. This year the only day tickets I'm doing you need to book. Last year just got so p'd off with people casting over my lines and invading my swim with stupid questions.
There are a couple of club lakes near me. But again it'll be rammed.
ATB Guy's
Not long now...
If one of those tests fail it'll got back to the prior one I'm led believe. This is the route the Irish government is taking I heard on talkcrap radio. Problem is you know whats going to happen with all sports regardless.
The moment the restriction is partially lifted it'll be rammed with bellends doing socials not just fishing.. This year the only day tickets I'm doing you need to book. Last year just got so p'd off with people casting over my lines and invading my swim with stupid questions.
There are a couple of club lakes near me. But again it'll be rammed.
ATB Guy's
Not long now...
Not all fishing is done in isolation. Not realistic to say if you fish for carp bivvied up with a season ticket in isolation, crack on. But contact to buy a day ticket, having a chat and few cuppas with a mate or a salmon guide is off limits. Too many loopholes and difficulties.
As important as fishing may seem to an angler, no government has the time and resources to go categorising and policing different angling disciplines or the people that would suddenly take up the hobby to get out of the house. So it's banned
As important as fishing may seem to an angler, no government has the time and resources to go categorising and policing different angling disciplines or the people that would suddenly take up the hobby to get out of the house. So it's banned
In reply to Post #679
I've just had a brilliant idea!
We can really come out of this in some style. Save for the pandemic in England getting worse and basing the plan upon the R keeping below 1, coarse fishing begins on June 16th 2020.
Fishery owners and managers will put in place distancing measures although we should all be used to that by now. Everyone will know where we are and what to head towards. We take control of our fishing and not allow the absolutely blatant fact that coarse fishing is THE most appropriate way to lift lockdown measures and not contribute towards rising the R.
It'll be just like old times. Let the millennials have a feeling of waiting and the pleasure of midnight on the 15th.
I've just had a brilliant idea!
We can really come out of this in some style. Save for the pandemic in England getting worse and basing the plan upon the R keeping below 1, coarse fishing begins on June 16th 2020.
Fishery owners and managers will put in place distancing measures although we should all be used to that by now. Everyone will know where we are and what to head towards. We take control of our fishing and not allow the absolutely blatant fact that coarse fishing is THE most appropriate way to lift lockdown measures and not contribute towards rising the R.
It'll be just like old times. Let the millennials have a feeling of waiting and the pleasure of midnight on the 15th.
In reply to Post #679
Some day tickets round here have machines and you pay online for 24hrs.
I like the idea use contactless etc.. upon entry so no ticket is handed over. I guess it's down to the bailiffs to proove they've taken all precautions. Like you say everyone will take it up just to get out... "pest control" by the way hasnt been blocked. Amazing the amount of rifle fire I hear nowadays
Some day tickets round here have machines and you pay online for 24hrs.
I like the idea use contactless etc.. upon entry so no ticket is handed over. I guess it's down to the bailiffs to proove they've taken all precautions. Like you say everyone will take it up just to get out... "pest control" by the way hasnt been blocked. Amazing the amount of rifle fire I hear nowadays
In reply to Post #667
Very true, this is the truncated response from my MP -
thank you for taking the time to get in touch on fishing, which I know is a really important pastime for many people in Mid-Sussex. I have read the “When we Fish Again” report and have had several constituents get in touch on the matter and I want to provide you with the latest information I have.
Going fishing or engaging in any extensive sporting activities, excluding daily exercise, is currently classified as not an essential reason to leave the house and therefore the current social distancing measures put in place by the Government restrict this. Currently, engaging in sporting activities is currently judged as increasing the risk of spreading the virus as it creates more opportunities for people to be in contact with each other and opening these only appeals to more people to leave the house.
These measures are under constant review and I know my colleague the Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden MP has been in constant communication with the various sporting bodies across the country. As and when Government social distancing measures are relaxed, we will begin to see various activities being allowed to resume as a long as they are adjudge to be safe to do so.
I will of course be supporting the resumption of fishing and the reopening of local lakes and ponds when it is deemed safe to do so. The Government's priority has always been to protect our citizens, businesses, NHS and economy – and this will continue to drive the steps we take in the coming weeks and months. The aim is to stretch out the curve of the peak to ensure our public services can cope, with the minimal level of economic impact possible. Any steps taken to relaxing social distancing measures, including the resumption of casual sporting activities, will only happen once we can be certain it is safe to do so.
Very true, this is the truncated response from my MP -
thank you for taking the time to get in touch on fishing, which I know is a really important pastime for many people in Mid-Sussex. I have read the “When we Fish Again” report and have had several constituents get in touch on the matter and I want to provide you with the latest information I have.
Going fishing or engaging in any extensive sporting activities, excluding daily exercise, is currently classified as not an essential reason to leave the house and therefore the current social distancing measures put in place by the Government restrict this. Currently, engaging in sporting activities is currently judged as increasing the risk of spreading the virus as it creates more opportunities for people to be in contact with each other and opening these only appeals to more people to leave the house.
These measures are under constant review and I know my colleague the Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden MP has been in constant communication with the various sporting bodies across the country. As and when Government social distancing measures are relaxed, we will begin to see various activities being allowed to resume as a long as they are adjudge to be safe to do so.
I will of course be supporting the resumption of fishing and the reopening of local lakes and ponds when it is deemed safe to do so. The Government's priority has always been to protect our citizens, businesses, NHS and economy – and this will continue to drive the steps we take in the coming weeks and months. The aim is to stretch out the curve of the peak to ensure our public services can cope, with the minimal level of economic impact possible. Any steps taken to relaxing social distancing measures, including the resumption of casual sporting activities, will only happen once we can be certain it is safe to do so.
In reply to Post #683
seems to be...
May 16th isn't a date I've seen / heard so far in any of the lockdown restriction briefings etc. unless I missed it..
seems to be...
May 16th isn't a date I've seen / heard so far in any of the lockdown restriction briefings etc. unless I missed it..
In reply to Post #683
Did they ever shut..... .....there appears to be a few Golf clubs hinting they may be opening again from Monday next week....
Did they ever shut.....
.....there appears to be a few Golf clubs hinting they may be opening again from Monday next week....
Going off Jim Shelley's Instagram story......he's currently fishing! 
In reply to Post #686
Now you've done it...... mentioned someones name....... you will be on the naughty step
Now you've done it...... mentioned someones name....... you will be on the naughty step
In reply to Post #684
That's the date that's been in my mind wont be anything happening this week as I've been hearing adverts about staying in over bank holiday.I can definitely see a lot of people out and about though
That's the date that's been in my mind wont be anything happening this week as I've been hearing adverts about staying in over bank holiday.I can definitely see a lot of people out and about though
In reply to Post #688
how you doing mate? have you got your result back yet?
how you doing mate? have you got your result back yet?
In reply to Post #689
Not bad buddy no results yet says within 48 hours but in extreme cases 5 days.chest is a bit sore and keep getting very hot ,painkillers taking the edge of it at the moment👍
Not bad buddy no results yet says within 48 hours but in extreme cases 5 days.chest is a bit sore and keep getting very hot ,painkillers taking the edge of it at the moment👍
Until far more people are tested and the app is proved and rolled out I don't see how they can justify lifting the lock down.
In reply to Post #691
It should not be lifted yet,if its lifted too soon figures could start climbing again.
It should not be lifted yet,if its lifted too soon figures could start climbing again.
In reply to Post #692
Think the priority is getting people back to work as safely as possible and socialising will be a long way off. Surely the majority of people will want to see family and friends before bivvying up alone on a lake but I probably have a distorted veiw as I live alone and work mainly alone my priority will be to see my children and grandchildren then brother and sisters, fishing is well down my list of priorities.
Think the priority is getting people back to work as safely as possible and socialising will be a long way off. Surely the majority of people will want to see family and friends before bivvying up alone on a lake but I probably have a distorted veiw as I live alone and work mainly alone my priority will be to see my children and grandchildren then brother and sisters, fishing is well down my list of priorities.
In reply to Post #692
I hope it's not lifted and it won't be yet BUT the government will surely announce some measures with businesses opening up again and even my firm are planning for 1/3 of the workforce to go back which is causing a bit of a stir. But I can't help but think people will see it as lockdown ending and start going out more and more.
I hope it's not lifted and it won't be yet BUT the government will surely announce some measures with businesses opening up again and even my firm are planning for 1/3 of the workforce to go back which is causing a bit of a stir. But I can't help but think people will see it as lockdown ending and start going out more and more.
In reply to Post #693
It's certainly not at the top of mine either,there is no way I'm going to sit at the lake and leave my wife at home.She is still working through all this(childminder)plus got our three at home with schoolwork to do.
It's certainly not at the top of mine either,there is no way I'm going to sit at the lake and leave my wife at home.She is still working through all this(childminder)plus got our three at home with schoolwork to do.
Leaked report this morning saying phase one of restrictions being lifted starts on 18th May, including "some outdoor sporting activities including groups of up to 4 people"....
In reply to Post #696
Although it will be similar, that's not the Irish one that was doing the rounds yesterday is it?
Although it will be similar, that's not the Irish one that was doing the rounds yesterday is it?
In reply to Post #697
Not sure mate, possibly?
Suppose we will have to wait for Bojo to address the nation on Sunday.
Not sure mate, possibly?
Suppose we will have to wait for Bojo to address the nation on Sunday.
In reply to Post #698
like i said though im sure they will be fairly similar.
like i said though im sure they will be fairly similar.
We shall not be venturing off our house/garden for some time to come, regardless of what restrictions are lifted. We have lost three friends and a cousin to Covid and we ourselves are in a high risk category so it's not worth it. We applied for a test kit several days ago. So far nothing received.
Bojo? I wouldn't trust a single word he utters.
Bojo?
I wouldn't trust a single word he utters.
In reply to Post #700
Sorry to hear that Ken.
Everyone is in a different position though, and don't have the luxury of being able to take a similar stance. Some need to get back to work to keep food on the table, others need to take action to protect their mental health, (anxiety and depression are increasing dramatically as is the suicide rate), others need to be able to escape abusive relationships etc so we all have our own situation and there's certainly not a one size fits all solution.
Sure there have been mistakes made by the Government but it is an unprecedented situation and Boris or anyone else for that matter have had to make very difficult decisions in a constantly changing situation. I am sure Comrade Corbyn or Kier Starmer being in charge would have been no different!
Sorry to hear that Ken.
Everyone is in a different position though, and don't have the luxury of being able to take a similar stance. Some need to get back to work to keep food on the table, others need to take action to protect their mental health, (anxiety and depression are increasing dramatically as is the suicide rate), others need to be able to escape abusive relationships etc so we all have our own situation and there's certainly not a one size fits all solution.
Sure there have been mistakes made by the Government but it is an unprecedented situation and Boris or anyone else for that matter have had to make very difficult decisions in a constantly changing situation. I am sure Comrade Corbyn or Kier Starmer being in charge would have been no different!
In reply to Post #701
Good post 👍
I'm also sorry to hear that Ken .
Good post 👍
I'm also sorry to hear that Ken .
In reply to Post #700
Stay safe and well mate
Stay safe and well mate
In reply to Post #700
Take care Ken and keep healthy. All best wishes!
Take care Ken and keep healthy. All best wishes!
In reply to Post #701
Sorry for your losses Ken stay safe mate
Sorry for your losses Ken stay safe mate
In reply to Post #700
Wise words as usual Ken
Stay safe and god bless those you've lost
Wise words as usual Ken
Stay safe and god bless those you've lost
In reply to Post #701
I appreciate what you are saying, Matt, and yes, if we were both still working we'd be out there earning a crust regardless. Sadly we are both well retired (10 years plus now) and our friends and my cousin were also over that 'certain' age so me and Tat are being very cautious.
Keep safe and sane everybody.
I appreciate what you are saying, Matt, and yes, if we were both still working we'd be out there earning a crust regardless. Sadly we are both well retired (10 years plus now) and our friends and my cousin were also over that 'certain' age so me and Tat are being very cautious.
Keep safe and sane everybody.
In reply to Post #702
It's an excuse, a cope out to be brutally honest
It's an excuse, a cope out to be brutally honest
In reply to Post #699
I'm sorry to hear about your loss. Stay safe
I'm sorry to hear about your loss. Stay safe
In reply to Post #708
What do you mean mate
What do you mean mate
In reply to Post #710
I don't think he knows who he is replying to
I don't think he knows who he is replying to
In reply to Post #711
It's just a simple mistake. I'm sure if he sees this he'll rectify it.
It's just a simple mistake. I'm sure if he sees this he'll rectify it.
In reply to Post #701
Sure there have been mistakes made by the Government but it is an unprecedented situation and Boris or anyone else for that matter have had to make very difficult decisions in a constantly changing situation. I am sure Comrade Corbyn or Kier Starmer being in charge would have been no different!
Boris has done an outstanding job considering all the if's, but's and maybe's surrounding this Virus but if he wanted concrete information and facts he should have just read the "Coronavirus" thread in the non carp section as plenty of experts on that thread and their facts are backed by the BBC and MSM so must all be true.......
Sure there have been mistakes made by the Government but it is an unprecedented situation and Boris or anyone else for that matter have had to make very difficult decisions in a constantly changing situation. I am sure Comrade Corbyn or Kier Starmer being in charge would have been no different!
Boris has done an outstanding job considering all the if's, but's and maybe's surrounding this Virus but if he wanted concrete information and facts he should have just read the "Coronavirus" thread in the non carp section as plenty of experts on that thread and their facts are backed by the BBC and MSM so must all be true.......
In reply to Post #712
Can't be hard to grasp though,even you can do it
Can't be hard to grasp though,even you can do it
In reply to Post #714
I'm a master listen to me and you will learn well
That smiley is to myself
In reply to Post #713
That's the second time you've made me laugh in as many minutes
I'm a master listen to me and you will learn well
That smiley is to myself In reply to Post #713
That's the second time you've made me laugh in as many minutes
In reply to Post #716
Daily Mail though........
They are correct though that Angling, Golf and Tennis will be allowed sooner rather than later, doesn't take a genius to work that one out.....not sure about the dates though are they, saying both "next month" and "within weeks".....
Daily Mail though........
They are correct though that Angling, Golf and Tennis will be allowed sooner rather than later, doesn't take a genius to work that one out.....not sure about the dates though are they, saying both "next month" and "within weeks".....
In reply to Post #717
fingers crossed though if it can be managed safely... although that relies on a whole lot of people quashing their kn*bhead tendencies so....
never been a fan of the Daily Attackonanyonewhoisn'tlikeus either. but to be fair 'next month' and 'a few weeks' are both potentially the same thing. That's maybe the one thing they've got right in years!
fingers crossed though if it can be managed safely... although that relies on a whole lot of people quashing their kn*bhead tendencies so....
never been a fan of the Daily Attackonanyonewhoisn'tlikeus either. but to be fair 'next month' and 'a few weeks' are both potentially the same thing. That's maybe the one thing they've got right in years!
In reply to Post #717
First source I found specifically mentioning fishing. Not sure about public stretches of river, only mentioned lakes
They'll probably edit the story half a dozen times once the actual facts materialise
First source I found specifically mentioning fishing. Not sure about public stretches of river, only mentioned lakes
They'll probably edit the story half a dozen times once the actual facts materialise
In reply to Post #718
If true, it does imply though that we are in for another 3 weeks of lockdown.....
If true, it does imply though that we are in for another 3 weeks of lockdown.....
In reply to Post #719
Surprised tennis was mentioned unlike the other sports where it's low exertion you get hot and sweaty running around meaning showering in the changing room and leaving virus all over the place.
Surprised tennis was mentioned unlike the other sports where it's low exertion you get hot and sweaty running around meaning showering in the changing room and leaving virus all over the place.
In reply to Post #721
Got to keep the luvvies happy...
Got to keep the luvvies happy...
In reply to Post #722
Suppose I could social distance and ogle over the young ladies in their short skirts, their little white panties and their...... I better stop there
Suppose I could social distance and ogle over the young ladies in their short skirts, their little white panties and their...... I better stop there
In reply to Post #721
Also with tennis, players get hot and sweaty, naturally wiping the face, after holding the ball the opponent has also held in their sweaty hand!!!!
Also with tennis, players get hot and sweaty, naturally wiping the face, after holding the ball the opponent has also held in their sweaty hand!!!!
In reply to Post #472
Linch hill have told there members they are re opening on June the 1st. April and may will be refunded off there ticket.
Linch hill have told there members they are re opening on June the 1st. April and may will be refunded off there ticket.
In reply to Post #725
The pre- millennia carpers, who remember pouring rain under a 45 inch brolley, cardinal 55's, dacron etc are sitting on their hands waiting, just like the start of the close season. FFS.
The pre- millennia carpers, who remember pouring rain under a 45 inch brolley, cardinal 55's, dacron etc are sitting on their hands waiting, just like the start of the close season. FFS.
In reply to Post #726
still use my Cardinal regularly...
got a better brolly now though
still use my Cardinal regularly...got a better brolly now though
Interesting if you believe what was put in the media today with the 5 steps and end of june for fishing and golf and cant work out why these have been put into the same group as 5 aside football and suchlike as social distancing is much easier. Its a two sided coin, dont want to get out there too early and understand what will be will be as fishing is not a higher priority than life but then also annoyed when its in the plan (If true) to be allowed at the same time as football which is contact sport
In reply to Post #728
The HM Govt are the only ones that know the plan, everybody will need to wait for the briefing on Sunday to see what will happen.
We are nowhere near on top of this, just shy of 12,000 new infections in 48 hrs tells us that. This is despite us being under a "lockdown".
Patience is required, not people wetting their pants as a newspaper has said we'll all be out and about on Monday!! At times it feels embarrassing the way people are dealing with this, we all want "normality" but this is a marathon not the 100m.
The HM Govt are the only ones that know the plan, everybody will need to wait for the briefing on Sunday to see what will happen.
We are nowhere near on top of this, just shy of 12,000 new infections in 48 hrs tells us that. This is despite us being under a "lockdown".
Patience is required, not people wetting their pants as a newspaper has said we'll all be out and about on Monday!! At times it feels embarrassing the way people are dealing with this, we all want "normality" but this is a marathon not the 100m.
In reply to Post #729
spot on
and if Sturgeon and Hancock's comments today are anything to go by, then we aren't looking at too much changing anytime soon...
spot on
and if Sturgeon and Hancock's comments today are anything to go by, then we aren't looking at too much changing anytime soon...
In reply to Post #730
When wee Jimmy Crankie started her briefing today by saying "my comments are not politically driven" but then went on to say she would challenge everything the Government put forward as good for England if it wasn't (in her view) for Scotland, she clearly still has a huge devolution chip on her shoulder.
There won't be a lot changing straight away but they have got to give businesses hope so I expect the plan will have a lot of caveats if the numbers improve in the short term.
When wee Jimmy Crankie started her briefing today by saying "my comments are not politically driven" but then went on to say she would challenge everything the Government put forward as good for England if it wasn't (in her view) for Scotland, she clearly still has a huge devolution chip on her shoulder.
There won't be a lot changing straight away but they have got to give businesses hope so I expect the plan will have a lot of caveats if the numbers improve in the short term.
In reply to Post #731
It looks like the Scots / Welsh / NI first ministers are getting their next 3 week plans out first to maybe force the hand of Boris and co. If they are leaning toward the more restrictive options to maintain safety then it would be a very brave Boris to reduce restrictions for England.
I guess they can't help but be political - it's their job. If they can all keep the focus on protecting people then that's the important thing.
The fish will still be there when we get back
It looks like the Scots / Welsh / NI first ministers are getting their next 3 week plans out first to maybe force the hand of Boris and co. If they are leaning toward the more restrictive options to maintain safety then it would be a very brave Boris to reduce restrictions for England.
I guess they can't help but be political - it's their job. If they can all keep the focus on protecting people then that's the important thing.
The fish will still be there when we get back
In reply to Post #731
Agreed, no fan of Wee Jimmy myself, its all about politics eventually, but she does understand that Scotland has a higher R number than the rest of the UK currently, so they have no room for manoeuvre.
I also agree that Boris's roadmap will be signposted with targets to meet that will trigger some movement on restrictions. Hopefully we can all move together to achieve the targets, but I do worry as watching the clowns waiting over 2 hrs and causing traffic carnage to get a drive through KFC this week was again embarrassing.
Agreed, no fan of Wee Jimmy myself, its all about politics eventually, but she does understand that Scotland has a higher R number than the rest of the UK currently, so they have no room for manoeuvre.
I also agree that Boris's roadmap will be signposted with targets to meet that will trigger some movement on restrictions. Hopefully we can all move together to achieve the targets, but I do worry as watching the clowns waiting over 2 hrs and causing traffic carnage to get a drive through KFC this week was again embarrassing.
In reply to Post #733
They should all have been fined and sent home unless key workers on a junch break.
They should all have been fined and sent home unless key workers on a junch break.
In reply to Post #733
I saw the KFC photos... I mean who in their right minds would que for that long for that that?
I worry for this country at times I really do, I've been out throughout this pandemic and the last few days has seen a huge increase in traffic.
We are far from over this yet.
I saw the KFC photos... I mean who in their right minds would que for that long for that that?
I worry for this country at times I really do, I've been out throughout this pandemic and the last few days has seen a huge increase in traffic.
We are far from over this yet.
In reply to Post #735
I've been out working throughout as well and there are loads of ****s out joyriding, speeding has also passed drink driving as the biggest cause of serious accidents.
I've been out working throughout as well and there are loads of ****s out joyriding, speeding has also passed drink driving as the biggest cause of serious accidents.
In reply to Post #729
In reply to Post #735
Unfortunately MSM has been publishing and broadcasting they all know what is coming and we will all back out enjoying ourselves from Sunday onwards. Even Peston tonight blamed the newspapers for raising expectations. FFS Peston blaming others- pot and kettle
Fishing will not figure highly on the list IMHO but I am willing to be shocked. My lake has posted it will be 24hours only when it opens to cover demand so he's expecting a high turnover of people in and out. So a quick turnover with people behind swims, crossing and jumping into other peoples recently departed area
I won't be rushing to go
Unfortunately MSM has been publishing and broadcasting they all know what is coming and we will all back out enjoying ourselves from Sunday onwards. Even Peston tonight blamed the newspapers for raising expectations. FFS Peston blaming others- pot and kettle
Fishing will not figure highly on the list IMHO but I am willing to be shocked. My lake has posted it will be 24hours only when it opens to cover demand so he's expecting a high turnover of people in and out. So a quick turnover with people behind swims, crossing and jumping into other peoples recently departed area
I won't be rushing to go
In reply to Post #726
Lots of references to the old closed season, but round my way we could still go to the pub, the shop, the gym, see our mates, go on holiday
Did the closed season stop everything in some parts of the country
Lots of references to the old closed season, but round my way we could still go to the pub, the shop, the gym, see our mates, go on holiday
Did the closed season stop everything in some parts of the country
In reply to Post #738
I will be staying away from lakes for a good few weeks even after we are allowed out.Let all the chaos die down,rather stay safe away from it all
I will be staying away from lakes for a good few weeks even after we are allowed out.Let all the chaos die down,rather stay safe away from it all
In reply to Post #736
So you're a key worker? What work do you do?
So you're a key worker? What work do you do?
In reply to Post #729
Sports like Fishing and Golf do not need waiting or patience.
Both sports should be given the green light, with limitations and common sense of course.
Anyone who disagrees are 'do gooders' , which this country seems to have alot of .
Sports like Fishing and Golf do not need waiting or patience.
Both sports should be given the green light, with limitations and common sense of course.
Anyone who disagrees are 'do gooders' , which this country seems to have alot of .
In reply to Post #741
I've been working next to a bypass through a small town and the amount of bikers and boy racers about is ridiculous there's no way they were on essential journeys
I've been working next to a bypass through a small town and the amount of bikers and boy racers about is ridiculous there's no way they were on essential journeys
In reply to Post #742
You only want get out ASAP so you are not losing another few quid on your rod licence
You only want get out ASAP so you are not losing another few quid on your rod licence
In reply to Post #741
Ive also been out working throughout and goose is right. There are a load of *****s out joyridng speeding
Ive also been out working throughout and goose is right. There are a load of *****s out joyridng speeding
In reply to Post #742
It's common sense that's the problem.
If golf and fishing were given the go ahead there would be pandemonium. You can't get a swim at a lot of day tickets on a normal weekend by all accounts, imagine the influx of ‘anglers' and ‘golfers' if they were allowed to open..
People are queuing for kfc and Costa for hours, just like they were flocking to bike shops. Because it's all that's open and they're eager to spend the wages the government are giving them to stay the **** at home
It's common sense that's the problem.
If golf and fishing were given the go ahead there would be pandemonium. You can't get a swim at a lot of day tickets on a normal weekend by all accounts, imagine the influx of ‘anglers' and ‘golfers' if they were allowed to open..
People are queuing for kfc and Costa for hours, just like they were flocking to bike shops. Because it's all that's open and they're eager to spend the wages the government are giving them to stay the **** at home
In reply to Post #741
I remember him saying he works on water treatment plants.
I remember him saying he works on water treatment plants.
In reply to Post #742
you should be thankful the country has people who want to 'do good'
better than a country full of selfish dicks surely?
you should be thankful the country has people who want to 'do good'
better than a country full of selfish dicks surely?
In reply to Post #746
I agree with you, as much as i miss fishing and i am desperate to get out on the banks i dont think its right for leisure sports and activities to open before the majority are allowed safely back to work.
I get some people are bored sat at home but at least they have been given the opportunity to try and keep themselves and family safe, some of those have clearly not done and put others at risk.
There are plenty of people that have had to work throughout this in high risk jobs that are putting there own lives and family members lives at risk just to help others and give them the chance to stay safe yet some wont even do this.
I agree with you, as much as i miss fishing and i am desperate to get out on the banks i dont think its right for leisure sports and activities to open before the majority are allowed safely back to work.
I get some people are bored sat at home but at least they have been given the opportunity to try and keep themselves and family safe, some of those have clearly not done and put others at risk.
There are plenty of people that have had to work throughout this in high risk jobs that are putting there own lives and family members lives at risk just to help others and give them the chance to stay safe yet some wont even do this.
In reply to Post #749
I have worked throughout this and I am desperate to go fishing as are most of us. However as has been said the 6 million people that are being paid to stay at home are being done so to reduce the infection rate. I hardly think it's fair if they are allowed to go out fishing, golfing , windsurfing or whatever hobby they have in their spare time. Imagine how the keyworkers will feel they are working harder than ever and the rest of the country have an extended holiday. Would cause total chaos in my eyes it's not all about the safety factor.
In reply to Post #746
Queuing and shopping at supermarkets are a far worse scenario than fishing or golfing with a common sense approach.
Same as building sites.
Put the common sense restrictions in place, and there's no problem.
Or are you saying we shoudn't be able to got supermarkets ?
Most of the increased traffic on the roads are VANS.
As a country we need to get back to normal as quick as possible.
Get real. Try and be a bit more open minded and more positive.
Queuing and shopping at supermarkets are a far worse scenario than fishing or golfing with a common sense approach.
Same as building sites.
Put the common sense restrictions in place, and there's no problem.
Or are you saying we shoudn't be able to got supermarkets ?
Most of the increased traffic on the roads are VANS.
As a country we need to get back to normal as quick as possible.
Get real. Try and be a bit more open minded and more positive.
In reply to Post #751
I'm a keyworker. I don't give a f$k , as long if people go out and use common sense.
Fishing, golf, windsurfing, running etc. can be done with common sense.
If you're out on a fkin boat in the middle of the sea .. goddamnit wake up!
If they are not coming into contact with people what the F%%k does it matter?
I'm a keyworker. I don't give a f$k , as long if people go out and use common sense.
Fishing, golf, windsurfing, running etc. can be done with common sense.
If you're out on a fkin boat in the middle of the sea .. goddamnit wake up!
If they are not coming into contact with people what the F%%k does it matter?
In reply to Post #752
Sports and hobbies are a pastime, shopping for food is a necessity i think there is a big difference.
most of the traffic on the roads are not vans
Sports and hobbies are a pastime, shopping for food is a necessity i think there is a big difference.
most of the traffic on the roads are not vans
In reply to Post #754
It's about spreading a virus!
So even though there is a better chance of spreading a virus going shopping because it's essential, vs going fishing, it doesn't matter?
Nuts.
You've been sucked in big time.
It's about spreading a virus!
So even though there is a better chance of spreading a virus going shopping because it's essential, vs going fishing, it doesn't matter?
Nuts.
You've been sucked in big time.
In reply to Post #753
Oh dear do you want to borrow my helmet
Oh dear do you want to borrow my helmet
In reply to Post #755
Yes so only go out for essential things simple really!!
Yes so only go out for essential things simple really!!
In reply to Post #753
have you looked at the news at all?
you're relying on 'common sense' as being a trait that the great british public has in abundance when clearly that's not the case.
as said already - if people are going to go bloody crazy for kfc then saying they can go fishing is going to be a nightmare. far more important things to put right before we go fishing again
have you looked at the news at all?
you're relying on 'common sense' as being a trait that the great british public has in abundance when clearly that's not the case.
as said already - if people are going to go bloody crazy for kfc then saying they can go fishing is going to be a nightmare. far more important things to put right before we go fishing again
In reply to Post #757
Even though you could spread a virus.
Hippocrit.
Even though you could spread a virus.
Hippocrit.
In reply to Post #759
If it makes me a hypocrite needing to eat to survive then i guess thats what i am!!
If it makes me a hypocrite needing to eat to survive then i guess thats what i am!!
In reply to Post #758
No idea about the kfc thing. Did the customers adhere to social distancing ?
If they did then so what?
No idea about the kfc thing. Did the customers adhere to social distancing ?
If they did then so what?
In reply to Post #761
they clogged up roads so they could que for a sodding drive - through bucket of chicken
that's the level of common sense you're dealing with
they clogged up roads so they could que for a sodding drive - through bucket of chicken
that's the level of common sense you're dealing with
In reply to Post #760
You're missing the point.
All fishing venues, (apart from matches, onsite restaurants, cafes etc. which will be banned according to the angling trust proposals to the government, which you no doubt have no idea about ) can obviously be made alot more safer than a super market.
You're missing the point.
All fishing venues, (apart from matches, onsite restaurants, cafes etc. which will be banned according to the angling trust proposals to the government, which you no doubt have no idea about ) can obviously be made alot more safer than a super market.
In reply to Post #762
Good one.
Maybe they felt unsafe walking around a supermarket.
Good one.
Maybe they felt unsafe walking around a supermarket.
In reply to Post #763
people NEED to buy food so the risk at supermarkets is being managed with distancing rules in place
people DO NOT NEED to go fishing
edit - good one? yeah. no need to worry about the need for essential traffic like maybe an ambulance to get down those roads eh?
people NEED to buy food so the risk at supermarkets is being managed with distancing rules in place
people DO NOT NEED to go fishing
edit - good one? yeah. no need to worry about the need for essential traffic like maybe an ambulance to get down those roads eh?
In reply to Post #368
Imagine . The mad rush for bikes ? Next fishing equipment . Hundreds of nubies coming to a lake near you.
Imagine . The mad rush for bikes ? Next fishing equipment . Hundreds of nubies coming to a lake near you.
In reply to Post #765
People can go fishing with distance rules in place . Bigger distance rules.
You obviously haven't done much shopping. The risk is far greater.
Many more people.
People do need to go out and do things.
As long as it's safe.
And fishing would be safer than going shopping.
People can go fishing with distance rules in place . Bigger distance rules.
You obviously haven't done much shopping. The risk is far greater.
Many more people.
People do need to go out and do things.
As long as it's safe.
And fishing would be safer than going shopping.
In reply to Post #766
or just one dannyuk...
or just one dannyuk...
In reply to Post #752
Calm down mate
I agree with you, fishing and golf are a much easier way to keep yourself isolated than at a supermarket or on a building site. Difference is people need to eat and to pay for their shopping, I don't really see how we can compare the two?
I couldn't give a monkeys if people are fishing right now, doesn't hurt me or my family.
My point is simply that fisheries will be heaving, as will clubs and syndicates who's membership nearly always outnumbers the available swims. This will lead to hogging of swims between mates and socials.
So as usual the piss takers will prosper.
Been walking with my lad round some local woodland, every single day there's families in the chained up adventure playground... because they're selfish ****s that think they're more important or entitled than somebody else. Obviously they're not harming anybody because nobody is in there with them, but that's not the point; they are taking advantage, same as the ****s who try jumping the 40 minute queue at the local supermarket that everyone seems too afraid to explain the rules to.
So yes let's get back to normal, not have a jolly up
Calm down mate
I agree with you, fishing and golf are a much easier way to keep yourself isolated than at a supermarket or on a building site. Difference is people need to eat and to pay for their shopping, I don't really see how we can compare the two?
I couldn't give a monkeys if people are fishing right now, doesn't hurt me or my family.
My point is simply that fisheries will be heaving, as will clubs and syndicates who's membership nearly always outnumbers the available swims. This will lead to hogging of swims between mates and socials.
So as usual the piss takers will prosper.
Been walking with my lad round some local woodland, every single day there's families in the chained up adventure playground... because they're selfish ****s that think they're more important or entitled than somebody else. Obviously they're not harming anybody because nobody is in there with them, but that's not the point; they are taking advantage, same as the ****s who try jumping the 40 minute queue at the local supermarket that everyone seems too afraid to explain the rules to.
So yes let's get back to normal, not have a jolly up
In reply to Post #769
Fair points and a proper reply compared to the other crap tonight.
Yes , we need our food and it's an essential.
But liberation and being able to go out and doing things is important, as long as it's safe.
Like supermarkets, fishing can bring in rules to allow people to go fishing safely.
Fair points
and a proper reply compared to the other crap tonight.Yes , we need our food and it's an essential.
But liberation and being able to go out and doing things is important, as long as it's safe.
Like supermarkets, fishing can bring in rules to allow people to go fishing safely.
should just let clubs and syndicates open.club I am a member of has always made any member text first, with their name, club number and date they want to fish. (they are not open at mo) so lets say club/syndie lake has 16 swims, only let 8 on at any time and for 1 day 1 night and only let certain 8 swims be used..all gates and locks must be opened/closed with member using gloves. bit of a pavlova but least 8 members get a day and nights fishing then another 8 book on..(I use the number 8 just as an example)
In reply to Post #771
Each swim has a Pavlova, what a syndicate......get me on that waiting list now.....
Each swim has a Pavlova, what a syndicate......get me on that waiting list now.....
In reply to Post #772
Brilliant 😂
Brilliant 😂
In reply to Post #773
End of June.
End of June.
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In reply to Post #775
Fishing will be allowed to start at the same time and without any distinction from 'five-a-side football, gatherings of no more than 30 people and premier league football behind closed doors'.
Fishing will be allowed to start at the same time and without any distinction from 'five-a-side football, gatherings of no more than 30 people and premier league football behind closed doors'.
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In reply to Post #776
And your source for that info is mate?
Nobody knows for definite what is going to happen, let's just wait until Sunday, hopefully things will be a bit clearer.
And your source for that info is mate?
Nobody knows for definite what is going to happen, let's just wait until Sunday, hopefully things will be a bit clearer.
In reply to Post #778
100%
100%
In reply to Post #778
Wales have just announced their 3 changes from Monday, can't see ours being much different.
Wales have just announced their 3 changes from Monday, can't see ours being much different.
In reply to Post #780
Sturgeon has just said she may be thinking along those lines but as “r” is still high in Scotland maybe not yet. Let's all just wait and see on Sunday I think Boris may go with Wales👍🏻
All the leaders of divulged parliaments and Boris had a video conference yesterday, I bet he threw a few ****s into Sturgeon over lasts weeks comments that Scotland would release earlier than the rest and close the borders 😀 Everyone at this time should go with the slowest as people will move around to areas with less rules casing mayhem.
Sturgeon has just said she may be thinking along those lines but as “r” is still high in Scotland maybe not yet. Let's all just wait and see on Sunday I think Boris may go with Wales👍🏻
All the leaders of divulged parliaments and Boris had a video conference yesterday, I bet he threw a few ****s into Sturgeon over lasts weeks comments that Scotland would release earlier than the rest and close the borders 😀 Everyone at this time should go with the slowest as people will move around to areas with less rules casing mayhem.
In reply to Post #781
Shaking my head reading some of these comments again, we've been doing this for 7 weeks, I've spent longer in the NAAFI queue. Remember what day we are celebrating today, the sacrifices they made, the discipline, the respect that they showed after 6 years of conflict.
I want to go fishing just like everybody, I want to meet up with my mates and have a pint but I want to see the infection and death rate right down as well. If we screw the nut that can de done and give us a chance to live alongside this virus, which is what we may have to do. People think that there will be a vaccine appearing on the shelves, there is definitely no guarantee of that, the lower the infection rate, the easier it is to trace and the more "normality" we can have, so not going fishing is a small price to pay imo.
Others may have other ideas, thats what a democracy is all about, however the population has been given an order, just do what you are told.
Shaking my head reading some of these comments again, we've been doing this for 7 weeks, I've spent longer in the NAAFI queue. Remember what day we are celebrating today, the sacrifices they made, the discipline, the respect that they showed after 6 years of conflict.
I want to go fishing just like everybody, I want to meet up with my mates and have a pint but I want to see the infection and death rate right down as well. If we screw the nut that can de done and give us a chance to live alongside this virus, which is what we may have to do. People think that there will be a vaccine appearing on the shelves, there is definitely no guarantee of that, the lower the infection rate, the easier it is to trace and the more "normality" we can have, so not going fishing is a small price to pay imo.
Others may have other ideas, thats what a democracy is all about, however the population has been given an order, just do what you are told.
You can't compare the lockdown with the war and VE day, it would be totally disrespectful to do so, the circumstances are completely different.
It is quite obvious that the spread of infection is largely confined to care homes and hospitals, the rate of infection in the community is relatively miniscule.....that is why people are getting frustrated and want things to start to get back to normal.
The chances of contracting or passing on the virus playing Golf or going fishing are beyond remote so those wanting a return to such activities should not be belittled for hoping the restrictions will be lifted enough to allow them to do so.
It is quite obvious that the spread of infection is largely confined to care homes and hospitals, the rate of infection in the community is relatively miniscule.....that is why people are getting frustrated and want things to start to get back to normal.
The chances of contracting or passing on the virus playing Golf or going fishing are beyond remote so those wanting a return to such activities should not be belittled for hoping the restrictions will be lifted enough to allow them to do so.
In reply to Post #783
Quote.....
It is quite obvious that the spread of infection is largely confined to care homes and hospitals, the rate of infection in the community is relatively miniscule
Not true, the vast majority of those with the virus caught it in their community and went to hospital and over thirty thousand died and that is only a small percentage of those that have caught/had it.
Quote.....
It is quite obvious that the spread of infection is largely confined to care homes and hospitals, the rate of infection in the community is relatively miniscule
Not true, the vast majority of those with the virus caught it in their community and went to hospital and over thirty thousand died and that is only a small percentage of those that have caught/had it.
In reply to Post #784
Originally yes, but not now. It was discussed a day or so ago with one of the "experts".....mind you, there's so many experts it could well have been someone off this thread...😂😂
Originally yes, but not now. It was discussed a day or so ago with one of the "experts".....mind you, there's so many experts it could well have been someone off this thread...😂😂
In reply to Post #785
Nah, all the eggspirts are on fb and ****er.
Nah, all the eggspirts are on fb and ****er.
In reply to Post #783
The point I was trying to make was that people have had to make greater sacrifices than not going out fishing, driving around needlessly in cars, queuing for a KFC when told to make essential journeys only, not to have house parties with mates I could go on but I'm boring myself now.
We are all frustrated, but its only been 7 weeks, the way some are going on you'd think we have done months and months. The harder you stamp down on it early the less chance it has of reigniting again.
The point I was trying to make was that people have had to make greater sacrifices than not going out fishing, driving around needlessly in cars, queuing for a KFC when told to make essential journeys only, not to have house parties with mates I could go on but I'm boring myself now.
We are all frustrated, but its only been 7 weeks, the way some are going on you'd think we have done months and months. The harder you stamp down on it early the less chance it has of reigniting again.
In reply to Post #787
Very good post, along with your others on this subject
Very good post, along with your others on this subject
In reply to Post #788
echo that sentiment
Look at me agreeing with you again Tinhead! (well - agreeing with you that someone else said something intelligent)
echo that sentiment
Look at me agreeing with you again Tinhead! (well - agreeing with you that someone else said something intelligent)
In reply to Post #789
You agree with me Mal because I'm level headed not self important or delusional
You agree with me Mal because I'm level headed not self important or delusional
In reply to Post #787
Absolutely agree but you cannot put dickheads having house parties and queuing up at B&Q and KFC in the same bracket as an angler wanting to sit, on his own by a lake or a group of 2 or 4 blokes walking around a Golf course.
Yes there are idiots who take the piss and break the rules, always have been, always will be you just have to account for them.
Absolutely agree but you cannot put dickheads having house parties and queuing up at B&Q and KFC in the same bracket as an angler wanting to sit, on his own by a lake or a group of 2 or 4 blokes walking around a Golf course.
Yes there are idiots who take the piss and break the rules, always have been, always will be you just have to account for them.
The lock down will finish when the Government can no longer afford to hand out free money, and the true picture emerges of the figure for the loss of business revenue, the amount of businesses going bust and the mass increase in new unemployed.
All of a sudden the R figure staying below 1 will be forgotten, and anyone on furlough will be told to go back to work.
I give it until June.....
All of a sudden the R figure staying below 1 will be forgotten, and anyone on furlough will be told to go back to work.
I give it until June.....
In reply to Post #792
Employees to be encouraged to return to work in places that have remained open from Monday.
Employees to be encouraged to return to work in places that have remained open from Monday.
In reply to Post #791
I don't mate, I can see that angling by yourself is safe, that is a fact, however we do have a lot of clowns in this country that cannot or won't follow a simple instruction and are making this more difficult to manage, allowing a free for all will cause even more problems.
For example have a look at the news of 3 complete whoppers that decided to go to the coast from Slough, got stuck on the coastline and a heli + boat had to go and rescue them, you can't make it up.
All we need is a little bit of patience to get things under control then the valve can be released in a controlled manner and it would be very reasonable to expect to see sports like fishing and golf getting let off the leash early.
I'm just watching the latest figures and we still have 11500 in hospital, 4500 new cases and 600 death's, I personally don't see that as us having this under control, I wish it was as I would love to be out on the bank and can't wait until we can, in a safe and controlled manner.
I don't mate, I can see that angling by yourself is safe, that is a fact, however we do have a lot of clowns in this country that cannot or won't follow a simple instruction and are making this more difficult to manage, allowing a free for all will cause even more problems.
For example have a look at the news of 3 complete whoppers that decided to go to the coast from Slough, got stuck on the coastline and a heli + boat had to go and rescue them, you can't make it up.
All we need is a little bit of patience to get things under control then the valve can be released in a controlled manner and it would be very reasonable to expect to see sports like fishing and golf getting let off the leash early.
I'm just watching the latest figures and we still have 11500 in hospital, 4500 new cases and 600 death's, I personally don't see that as us having this under control, I wish it was as I would love to be out on the bank and can't wait until we can, in a safe and controlled manner.
In reply to Post #782
Spot on 👍
Spot on 👍
In reply to Post #756
So funny
So funny
In reply to Post #772
I could really do with one of these..
I could really do with one of these..
In reply to Post #794
But those clowns will always be clowns unfortunately, now, in 3 weeks, 3 months and 3 years...they will go bananas whenever the lockdown is lifted.
I do agree with you that we need to be patient, my argument is however that thanks to these clowns there will inevitably be problems whenever and however it is lifted.
The figures can be spun however you want......
11,500 in hospital with covid 19 (was over 14,000 this time last week) but how many of them were in hospital anyway and contracted it in there?
4500 new cases....they are testing more, (96,000 yesterday) so there's obviously going to be more positive cases and only a very small percentage will be seriously ill....a lot of them would never have known they even had it if they hadn't been tested.
The 600 deaths have happened over a period of time, not just the last 24 hours.
But those clowns will always be clowns unfortunately, now, in 3 weeks, 3 months and 3 years...they will go bananas whenever the lockdown is lifted.
I do agree with you that we need to be patient, my argument is however that thanks to these clowns there will inevitably be problems whenever and however it is lifted.
The figures can be spun however you want......
11,500 in hospital with covid 19 (was over 14,000 this time last week) but how many of them were in hospital anyway and contracted it in there?
4500 new cases....they are testing more, (96,000 yesterday) so there's obviously going to be more positive cases and only a very small percentage will be seriously ill....a lot of them would never have known they even had it if they hadn't been tested.
The 600 deaths have happened over a period of time, not just the last 24 hours.
In reply to Post #798
Some of those in hospital will have caught it there too, I know of an elderly person that went in healthy but with a broken bone and didn't come out again.
I know there's idiots out there, got several bbq's and soirées in the estate daily.. but a high percentage of infections are from the key workers themselves, sadly
Some of those in hospital will have caught it there too, I know of an elderly person that went in healthy but with a broken bone and didn't come out again.
I know there's idiots out there, got several bbq's and soirées in the estate daily.. but a high percentage of infections are from the key workers themselves, sadly
In reply to Post #791
You can't compare the lockdown with the war and VE day, it would be totally disrespectful to do so, the circumstances are completely different.
It is quite obvious that the spread of infection is largely confined to care homes and hospitals, the rate of infection in the community is relatively miniscule.....that is why people are getting frustrated and want things to start to get back to normal.
The chances of contracting or passing on the virus playing Golf or going fishing are beyond remote so those wanting a return to such activities should not be belittled for hoping the restrictions will be lifted enough to allow them to do so.
The truth is that the spread of infection in the community is everywhere, many probably had it with minimal symptoms. The sad fact that many with no symptoms, nurses, doctors, carers and care home staff quite probably took it into care homes. Then it was likely taken into hospitals by people with no symptoms, for other illnesses or injuries, but carrying coronavirus.
France has discovered cases going back to December, it is likely it was in Britain then or not long after. The first hospital case was on 24th January, it is extremely unlikely it was the first. The lockdown was TWO MONTHS after, when it will have been passed on very quickly.
It has been talked about that Britain went for herd immunity, that appears to have backfired as so many cases happened in that two months.
If we lower lockdown rules on Sunday, which every newspaper or media source seems to think, or has published exactly what Boris Johnson will say, then I hope fishing is allowed.
You can't compare the lockdown with the war and VE day, it would be totally disrespectful to do so, the circumstances are completely different.
It is quite obvious that the spread of infection is largely confined to care homes and hospitals, the rate of infection in the community is relatively miniscule.....that is why people are getting frustrated and want things to start to get back to normal.
The chances of contracting or passing on the virus playing Golf or going fishing are beyond remote so those wanting a return to such activities should not be belittled for hoping the restrictions will be lifted enough to allow them to do so.
The truth is that the spread of infection in the community is everywhere, many probably had it with minimal symptoms. The sad fact that many with no symptoms, nurses, doctors, carers and care home staff quite probably took it into care homes. Then it was likely taken into hospitals by people with no symptoms, for other illnesses or injuries, but carrying coronavirus.
France has discovered cases going back to December, it is likely it was in Britain then or not long after. The first hospital case was on 24th January, it is extremely unlikely it was the first. The lockdown was TWO MONTHS after, when it will have been passed on very quickly.
It has been talked about that Britain went for herd immunity, that appears to have backfired as so many cases happened in that two months.
If we lower lockdown rules on Sunday, which every newspaper or media source seems to think, or has published exactly what Boris Johnson will say, then I hope fishing is allowed.
In reply to Post #800
My family all had it end of feb for sure.. my neighbor's and loads of people I know too.. which is why it's so frustrating, I've already had it but I'm confined to my house and going crazy not being able to fish. I was a bit pissed off to be honest because at the time of having it I spoke to 111 on several occasions and this was before the lockdown, noone was interested they said as I hadnt been to one of the 'at the time' countries where it was widespread it was unlikely I had it... I worked from home for 2 weeks on my own accord then lock down started, I've been home 9 weeks. Had enough now, took the kids for a 2 mile walk after dinner, all the people having street parties getting trollied and I cant sit on a lake on my own in solitude for my mental health, it's a joke and I'm getting a bit pissed off with it.
I'm going to add to this actually..
I have a dodgy gallbladder and now chronic pancreatitis, I have been trying to get diagnosed and sorted since 2017 constantly in pain and always told as I'm young and 'not in a high risk category' it's likely just anxiety.. NO! anyway I had to push and push eventually got an ultrasound, oh crap yes you need an op now!.. then i get a letter op cancelled until further notice.. cant drink alcohol it kills me bc of the pancreas.. all they can do is give me prescription codiene for the pain.. great, get me hooked on opioids as well that's really going to help.. sorry I've actually had enough with the NHS basing the fact of whether they are going to put you for any tests on your age!
My family all had it end of feb for sure.. my neighbor's and loads of people I know too.. which is why it's so frustrating, I've already had it but I'm confined to my house and going crazy not being able to fish. I was a bit pissed off to be honest because at the time of having it I spoke to 111 on several occasions and this was before the lockdown, noone was interested they said as I hadnt been to one of the 'at the time' countries where it was widespread it was unlikely I had it... I worked from home for 2 weeks on my own accord then lock down started, I've been home 9 weeks. Had enough now, took the kids for a 2 mile walk after dinner, all the people having street parties getting trollied and I cant sit on a lake on my own in solitude for my mental health, it's a joke and I'm getting a bit pissed off with it.
I'm going to add to this actually..
I have a dodgy gallbladder and now chronic pancreatitis, I have been trying to get diagnosed and sorted since 2017 constantly in pain and always told as I'm young and 'not in a high risk category' it's likely just anxiety.. NO! anyway I had to push and push eventually got an ultrasound, oh crap yes you need an op now!.. then i get a letter op cancelled until further notice.. cant drink alcohol it kills me bc of the pancreas.. all they can do is give me prescription codiene for the pain.. great, get me hooked on opioids as well that's really going to help.. sorry I've actually had enough with the NHS basing the fact of whether they are going to put you for any tests on your age!
In reply to Post #800
back in december the press published news of higher levels of flu cases and more people visiting the surgery and A&E with flu like symptons, more possible evidence coronavirus was in the UK last year.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7785485/Flu-cases-jumped-25-WEEK.html
back in december the press published news of higher levels of flu cases and more people visiting the surgery and A&E with flu like symptons, more possible evidence coronavirus was in the UK last year.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7785485/Flu-cases-jumped-25-WEEK.html
One thing's for sure, Boris won't be dictated to by the Welsh, Irish or Scots, I suspect the discussions with each devolved leader didn't go well on Thursday, hence them all announcing their own positions before Sunday......and they all said their decisions would not be politically motivated....🤔
Whilst I don't think England's position will be massively different I think it will be a bit wider...
Whilst I don't think England's position will be massively different I think it will be a bit wider...
In reply to Post #803
In a way I hope Boris doesn't make too many changes and is in line with Wales just to make my life clearer. I live in Newport, so just in Wales and fish just the other side of the border, so England being allowed to fish and me not allowed to get there will be very hard to take
In a way I hope Boris doesn't make too many changes and is in line with Wales just to make my life clearer. I live in Newport, so just in Wales and fish just the other side of the border, so England being allowed to fish and me not allowed to get there will be very hard to take
In reply to Post #802
your link
I totally agree it was in UK earlier than the media reported. Bear in mind Coronavirus was in China and causing major problems in November.
Flu like symptoms, dry cough, etc, all symptoms of coronavirus.
I know through the winter at work there was some 'bugs' going round. My Reception Manager at the hotel had a severe cold, sneezes and sore throat. I had a sore throat, headaches and cough. I ached so bad my gums and teeth ached! Other staff were off with various symptoms, and my restaurant manager did have to go to hospital with severe flu symptoms.
If that is the case, it is quite possible we have peaked, because it has been passed onto everyone already. The loosening of lockdown will not result in many new cases.
your link
I totally agree it was in UK earlier than the media reported. Bear in mind Coronavirus was in China and causing major problems in November.
Flu like symptoms, dry cough, etc, all symptoms of coronavirus.
I know through the winter at work there was some 'bugs' going round. My Reception Manager at the hotel had a severe cold, sneezes and sore throat. I had a sore throat, headaches and cough. I ached so bad my gums and teeth ached! Other staff were off with various symptoms, and my restaurant manager did have to go to hospital with severe flu symptoms.
If that is the case, it is quite possible we have peaked, because it has been passed onto everyone already. The loosening of lockdown will not result in many new cases.
In reply to Post #802
My Mum and 2 other people I know had severe Flu like symptoms around Christmas, it was so bad for my Mum she couldn't make Christmas Day dinner at our house....she had classic symptoms of what we now know as Covid-19, it came in waves over a month, she would start to feel better then deteriorate again a few days later, she battled for breath and had a persistent dry cough as well....
My Mum and 2 other people I know had severe Flu like symptoms around Christmas, it was so bad for my Mum she couldn't make Christmas Day dinner at our house....she had classic symptoms of what we now know as Covid-19, it came in waves over a month, she would start to feel better then deteriorate again a few days later, she battled for breath and had a persistent dry cough as well....
In reply to Post #806
A lot of confirmed flu around that time.
Some of it h1n1 (swine flu) and h3n2 (also a swine/avian flu) plus others which have similar symptoms.
That must make it hard to differentiate and assumption can be the mother of all **** ups...
link
A lot of confirmed flu around that time.
Some of it h1n1 (swine flu) and h3n2 (also a swine/avian flu) plus others which have similar symptoms.
That must make it hard to differentiate and assumption can be the mother of all **** ups...
link
In reply to Post #807
100% mate, I'm not saying she definitely had it and probably didn't but there are lots of different but very similar strains as you say.
100% mate, I'm not saying she definitely had it and probably didn't but there are lots of different but very similar strains as you say.
In reply to Post #808
Yeah that's what I meant. I had a stinker around that time, missus had something that wouldn't shift and gp said it's probably some type of virus that they won't test for but should clear up..
When you read that annually we have bird and swine flu doing the rounds it's no wonder people feel awful but some obviously had cv19. We can't even get masks for nurses, so I suppose the way they went is to assume that we're all at risk still and lock us up because you can't test 60 million people or let it run riot
Yeah that's what I meant. I had a stinker around that time, missus had something that wouldn't shift and gp said it's probably some type of virus that they won't test for but should clear up..
When you read that annually we have bird and swine flu doing the rounds it's no wonder people feel awful but some obviously had cv19. We can't even get masks for nurses, so I suppose the way they went is to assume that we're all at risk still and lock us up because you can't test 60 million people or let it run riot
In reply to Post #801
I drive 10 miles each weekday to work on a busy construction site with 30 other blokes where the 2 meter rule simply isn't possible, passing loads of cyclists and joggers and past some allotments with 5 or 6 cars always in its car park . I drive right past the gates of my club water on the way to work each day which is 2 miles from my house and even in “normal “ times I will often have acres of lake to myself . Ridiculous that I can't go fishing really.
Let's hope something happens after Sunday's update.
I drive 10 miles each weekday to work on a busy construction site with 30 other blokes where the 2 meter rule simply isn't possible, passing loads of cyclists and joggers and past some allotments with 5 or 6 cars always in its car park . I drive right past the gates of my club water on the way to work each day which is 2 miles from my house and even in “normal “ times I will often have acres of lake to myself . Ridiculous that I can't go fishing really.
Let's hope something happens after Sunday's update.
In reply to Post #806
There was definitely a different virus doing the round around xmas and just before. I had that in November and lots had it around xmas that was definitely different to what I had in february, it was runny nose sneezing all standard cold like stuff but worse. The feb one caused me to be put on 2 different sets of antibiotics, dry cough that turned to bronchitis and had liquid on my lungs, lost my voice, couldn' laugh without going into a coughing fit. One lady I work with had exact same.. her friend had come back from 'known dodgy country' and had same symptoms, got a test and tested positive..
There was definitely a different virus doing the round around xmas and just before. I had that in November and lots had it around xmas that was definitely different to what I had in february, it was runny nose sneezing all standard cold like stuff but worse. The feb one caused me to be put on 2 different sets of antibiotics, dry cough that turned to bronchitis and had liquid on my lungs, lost my voice, couldn' laugh without going into a coughing fit. One lady I work with had exact same.. her friend had come back from 'known dodgy country' and had same symptoms, got a test and tested positive..
Until there is a reliable antibody test no one will know for sure whether or not they have had it, around christmas time something went through work that most of us picked up , high temperatures several nights on end i woke up dripping with sweat dry cough, sore throat, headaches that went on for weeks .
At this time quite a few went to the doctors and were just told it was a virus, was this covid19 we wont know but if it was it came back in work around the time of the lockdown , some of the same people had the same symptoms again if it was covid 19 they didn't become immune to it and caught it again, all this was far too early for any of us to be tested.
At this time quite a few went to the doctors and were just told it was a virus, was this covid19 we wont know but if it was it came back in work around the time of the lockdown , some of the same people had the same symptoms again if it was covid 19 they didn't become immune to it and caught it again, all this was far too early for any of us to be tested.
In reply to Post #812
Had exactly the same end of Feb,picked my boy up from work early because he had come down with what we thought was the flu and within an hour i had come down with it.ive had the flu jab and know that I still might get it but had nothing like that before the fever was unbearable and my chest was f####d for ages lasted around 10 days and in the last day was gasping for air,the symptoms I've had over last week have merely been of a cold.Still not had my test results for cv19 yet been 6 days so dont know weather it is a cold or not yet
Had exactly the same end of Feb,picked my boy up from work early because he had come down with what we thought was the flu and within an hour i had come down with it.ive had the flu jab and know that I still might get it but had nothing like that before the fever was unbearable and my chest was f####d for ages lasted around 10 days and in the last day was gasping for air,the symptoms I've had over last week have merely been of a cold.Still not had my test results for cv19 yet been 6 days so dont know weather it is a cold or not yet
In reply to Post #813
There is one that has been cleared to be distributed but its £99
There is one that has been cleared to be distributed but its £99
I think we have been fed this false image that it sort of spread up from Europe like the Nazi flags at the beginning of Dad's Army, like the English Channel is the great disease barrier. But in reality with the way we travel nowadays and the fact that we have several major airports all over the country not to mention Heathrow (which is THE main air Hub in Europe), if Europe was riddled with it so were we, it' s only since it was identified it has become a 'thing'
In reply to Post #816
my mums house is under the flight path for heathrow, albeit the number of planes flying over her house is less than 4 months ago, its still a plane every few mins, and not the cargo planes. Quarantine should have been installed straight away or even turning planes back until we knew what was going on tbh.
my mums house is under the flight path for heathrow, albeit the number of planes flying over her house is less than 4 months ago, its still a plane every few mins, and not the cargo planes. Quarantine should have been installed straight away or even turning planes back until we knew what was going on tbh.
In reply to Post #811
The truth will come out eventually about Germany but I don't believe their figures for one minute are recorded the same as ours....i did read that they are recording only 100% pure Covid-19 deaths so if someone was in Hospital with something else and would have died anyway they will not record that as CV19 related, regardless whether they tested positive or not. Their death numbers are evidently those who were admitted to hospital with CV19 only and didn't leave.
The truth will come out eventually about Germany but I don't believe their figures for one minute are recorded the same as ours....i did read that they are recording only 100% pure Covid-19 deaths so if someone was in Hospital with something else and would have died anyway they will not record that as CV19 related, regardless whether they tested positive or not. Their death numbers are evidently those who were admitted to hospital with CV19 only and didn't leave.
In reply to Post #817
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/17/travellers-flying-uk-may-have-screened-health-secretary-suggests/
100,000 flying into the UK each week, unscreened,untested but we are in lockdown for preventative reasons ?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/17/travellers-flying-uk-may-have-screened-health-secretary-suggests/
100,000 flying into the UK each week, unscreened,untested but we are in lockdown for preventative reasons ?
In reply to Post #818
Not sure about Germany, but one thing I do know is that they are super efficient at everything they do, their testing was on a different scale to all other European countries.
I think most people who have posted on this thread are on the same page and levels of common sense when talking about going fishing again, but HM Govt has to base things on the lowest common denominator ie the muppets we have roaming our streets.
We are still 15-20 days behind mainland Europe if you look at their peaks etc, so I would personally like to see restrictions lifted at the end of May, hopefully this will coincide with far fewer new infections and the release of the track and trace app.
Not sure about Germany, but one thing I do know is that they are super efficient at everything they do, their testing was on a different scale to all other European countries.
I think most people who have posted on this thread are on the same page and levels of common sense when talking about going fishing again, but HM Govt has to base things on the lowest common denominator ie the muppets we have roaming our streets.
We are still 15-20 days behind mainland Europe if you look at their peaks etc, so I would personally like to see restrictions lifted at the end of May, hopefully this will coincide with far fewer new infections and the release of the track and trace app.
In reply to Post #820
I agree end of May,then see where we are at and take it from there
I agree end of May,then see where we are at and take it from there
In reply to Post #820
There may also be regional differences, in my area cheshire and greater manchester there has been an increase in cases and before anyone says thats down to more testing well try telling the frontline staff that are seeing more cases admitted to hospitals and more local deaths than they have seen.
Some of the comments i have seen and read disgust me about people wanting to get back to normal they are either exceptionally selfish or have no idea what suffering the frontline staff have to endure just to make sure hospitals stay open.
before anyone jumps on me saying fishing is low risk well i agree in most cases but we have to look at the bigger picture when one thing is allowed others will complain that they want their pastime allowed lets face it not all are as low risk as isolated fishing and before we know we will be back to square one.
I believe spain has seen a significant increase in cases after some restrictions were lifted
There may also be regional differences, in my area cheshire and greater manchester there has been an increase in cases and before anyone says thats down to more testing well try telling the frontline staff that are seeing more cases admitted to hospitals and more local deaths than they have seen.
Some of the comments i have seen and read disgust me about people wanting to get back to normal they are either exceptionally selfish or have no idea what suffering the frontline staff have to endure just to make sure hospitals stay open.
before anyone jumps on me saying fishing is low risk well i agree in most cases but we have to look at the bigger picture when one thing is allowed others will complain that they want their pastime allowed lets face it not all are as low risk as isolated fishing and before we know we will be back to square one.
I believe spain has seen a significant increase in cases after some restrictions were lifted
In reply to Post #822
So DIY outlets and garden centers is mitigating risk and looking at the bigger picture.
"before anyone jumps on me saying fishing is low risk well i agree in most cases but we have to look at the bigger picture when one thing is allowed others will complain that they want their pastime allowed lets face it not all are as low risk as isolated fishing and before we know we will be back to square one"
So DIY outlets and garden centers is mitigating risk and looking at the bigger picture.
"before anyone jumps on me saying fishing is low risk well i agree in most cases but we have to look at the bigger picture when one thing is allowed others will complain that they want their pastime allowed lets face it not all are as low risk as isolated fishing and before we know we will be back to square one"
In reply to Post #822
I think i read/heard somewhere recently that the North West were lagging up to 2 weeks behind other parts of the country (particularly London) and there was to be an expected increase in positive tests in the North West to come.
I think i read/heard somewhere recently that the North West were lagging up to 2 weeks behind other parts of the country (particularly London) and there was to be an expected increase in positive tests in the North West to come.
In reply to Post #823
I don't think woody was saying that at all
playing devils advocate - there is an aspect of opening stores as part of the bigger picture in terms of the economics / employment etc.
I don't necessarily think bedding plants and shelving units are essential purchases, but if it's safely getting people back to work then there is a benefit. one could argue, a bigger one than reduced numbers of anglers on syndicate lakes...
as i say - I'm playing devils advocate
I guess it's also worth remembering that this is a fishing forum, so percentage wise of course our passion for angling (no pun intended) is going to surface (and another) in much bigger numbers. If this was a site that just covered general issues / news etc. the cry for resuming fishing would be far reduced.
I don't think woody was saying that at all
playing devils advocate - there is an aspect of opening stores as part of the bigger picture in terms of the economics / employment etc.
I don't necessarily think bedding plants and shelving units are essential purchases, but if it's safely getting people back to work then there is a benefit. one could argue, a bigger one than reduced numbers of anglers on syndicate lakes...
as i say - I'm playing devils advocate
I guess it's also worth remembering that this is a fishing forum, so percentage wise of course our passion for angling (no pun intended) is going to surface (and another) in much bigger numbers. If this was a site that just covered general issues / news etc. the cry for resuming fishing would be far reduced.
I don't believe it was covid-19 that was circulating in the UK in december, or if it was then it did so in a tiny fraction of the population. We didn't see mystery respiratory illnesses presenting to ICU, just the usual flu strains, and viral screens revealed just the usual culprits.
Of course it is not impossible that a less virulent or deadly strain was here that mutated, but that would then not be likely given the way that severe cases have presented across the world.
The illness' prior to the covid-19 pandemic were likely influenza cases or other coronaviruses (such as those causing the common cold) which always peak during the winter months.
Of course it is not impossible that a less virulent or deadly strain was here that mutated, but that would then not be likely given the way that severe cases have presented across the world.
The illness' prior to the covid-19 pandemic were likely influenza cases or other coronaviruses (such as those causing the common cold) which always peak during the winter months.
In reply to Post #826
The first case in France (they now know about) was in Paris in December so anything is possible, that guy wasn't living in a bubble
The first case in France (they now know about) was in Paris in December so anything is possible, that guy wasn't living in a bubble
In reply to Post #824
I do think that is true, and my area and possibly others are around 2 weeks behind london
I do think that is true, and my area and possibly others are around 2 weeks behind london
In reply to Post #823
As mal has said i wasn't saying that at all, my personal view is that the lockdown wasn't strict enough in many ways
As mal has said i wasn't saying that at all, my personal view is that the lockdown wasn't strict enough in many ways
In reply to Post #826
I agree it wasn't here in December or else we would have seen a huge spike in the ICU admissions / care home deaths in mid-late Jan, especially with all the socialising that goes on over the festive period.
DIY stores were never on the stay shut list in the 1st place, just many made their own decision to shut. I'm assuming that garden centres are being allowed to open because the likes of B&Q who have in house garden centre's are open with social distancing being practiced. Many are open that sell fresh produce as well.
I imagine the roadmap Boris will spell out tomorrow will be similar to the one ROI has laid out, bearing in mind that they have had far fewer cases than the UK.
I agree it wasn't here in December or else we would have seen a huge spike in the ICU admissions / care home deaths in mid-late Jan, especially with all the socialising that goes on over the festive period.
DIY stores were never on the stay shut list in the 1st place, just many made their own decision to shut. I'm assuming that garden centres are being allowed to open because the likes of B&Q who have in house garden centre's are open with social distancing being practiced. Many are open that sell fresh produce as well.
I imagine the roadmap Boris will spell out tomorrow will be similar to the one ROI has laid out, bearing in mind that they have had far fewer cases than the UK.
In reply to Post #830
The roi has a population of under 5 million, all the comparisons should take population density into account as this is a major factor in the spread.
We haven't enforced the lock down hard enough here, as a key worker I'm a mobile service engineer keeping water treatment plants running and driving all over the South Coast and up as far as London. Every day I see joyrider out in fast cars and even supercars and motorbikes, fineing a few is pathetic, impound the vehicles and auction them off with proceeds to the NHS. Some may know I'm a biker but I hate seeing bikers out flouting the rules, only today one overtook me at stupid speed as I was about to turn right on a country road and I had indicated in plenty of time and slowed to under 10 mph.
The roi has a population of under 5 million, all the comparisons should take population density into account as this is a major factor in the spread.
We haven't enforced the lock down hard enough here, as a key worker I'm a mobile service engineer keeping water treatment plants running and driving all over the South Coast and up as far as London. Every day I see joyrider out in fast cars and even supercars and motorbikes, fineing a few is pathetic, impound the vehicles and auction them off with proceeds to the NHS. Some may know I'm a biker but I hate seeing bikers out flouting the rules, only today one overtook me at stupid speed as I was about to turn right on a country road and I had indicated in plenty of time and slowed to under 10 mph.
In reply to Post #831
Ultracrepidarians
Ultracrepidarians
In reply to Post #831
Funny you should say about bikers I haven't seen any since lockdown until yesterday when I must have seen at least 30 from going to the supermarket and back. The vast majority speeding aswell, unfortunately warm weather brings out the bikers.
Funny you should say about bikers I haven't seen any since lockdown until yesterday when I must have seen at least 30 from going to the supermarket and back. The vast majority speeding aswell, unfortunately warm weather brings out the bikers.
In reply to Post #833
I save mine for the track...gutted we've had our portimao track sessions cancelled, still wont go out on the road
I save mine for the track...gutted we've had our portimao track sessions cancelled, still wont go out on the road
Well after 7 days of waiting finally got my result back for my cv19 test all clear for now so was no more than a cold thank God
In reply to Post #835
that's good news fella
stay safe
and 'alert'
that's good news fella
stay safe
and 'alert'
In reply to Post #835
No such thing as a cold,we suffer man flu
No such thing as a cold,we suffer man flu
In reply to Post #837
Quality 🤣🤣
Quality 🤣🤣
In reply to Post #836
Thanks mal
Thanks mal
In reply to Post #835
Pleased to hear that
Pleased to hear that
So unless I've misunderstood. Angling can restart from this weds.
In reply to Post #841
Looks that way. But with members of your own household, who's having a social with the old ball and chain on Wednesday then
Looks that way. But with members of your own household, who's having a social with the old ball and chain on Wednesday then
In reply to Post #841
That's how I see it
That's how I see it
In reply to Post #840
Thanks mate
Thanks mate
Yep, fishing from Wednesday... ....or tomorrow if you are a Bailiff...
....or tomorrow if you are a Bailiff...
Definitely not how I understood it.
In reply to Post #841
That's the way I see it aswell 😁
That's the way I see it aswell 😁
In reply to Post #846
How do you mean.
How do you mean.
In reply to Post #841
Did it ever stop.......
Did it ever stop.......
In reply to Post #831
It's a tricky one the motorbike situation for me
I've been reading up on it, riding one burns 600 calories per hour and it can be done in isolation. Here's the frustrating bit for me. I live near a popular cyclist route and I am sick of seeing groups of cyclists coming up the road puffing and spitting everywhere the dirty ****s. It's like double standards. Think I might stand with a box of eggs and wait for them
No fishing. It's t is not classed as exercise unfortunately, to be fair, I can see why
It's a tricky one the motorbike situation for me
I've been reading up on it, riding one burns 600 calories per hour and it can be done in isolation. Here's the frustrating bit for me. I live near a popular cyclist route and I am sick of seeing groups of cyclists coming up the road puffing and spitting everywhere the dirty ****s. It's like double standards. Think I might stand with a box of eggs and wait for them
No fishing. It's t is not classed as exercise unfortunately, to be fair, I can see why
Fingers crossed we can go, if even only during the day.
But im waiting to see if further clarification will be out in the next day or two because there has been confusion from previous statements being misinterpreted.
But im waiting to see if further clarification will be out in the next day or two because there has been confusion from previous statements being misinterpreted.
In reply to Post #848
My mistake, He was a bit vague but on sky sports news apparently fishing is allowed. I'm not sure how many fisheries will open up tho
My mistake, He was a bit vague but on sky sports news apparently fishing is allowed. I'm not sure how many fisheries will open up tho
In reply to Post #846
Definitely not how I veid it either.
3. June (End)
Phased return of secondary schools in England before the summer holidays. Small team sports such as five-a-side football could be allowed, along with outdoor gatherings of fewer than 30 people. Cafes with outdoor seating could reopen while outdoor sports like golf, tennis and angling might resume. Possible return of Premier League matches, although behind closed doors.
End of June MIGHT depending on everything going to plan.
Definitely not how I veid it either.
3. June (End)
Phased return of secondary schools in England before the summer holidays. Small team sports such as five-a-side football could be allowed, along with outdoor gatherings of fewer than 30 people. Cafes with outdoor seating could reopen while outdoor sports like golf, tennis and angling might resume. Possible return of Premier League matches, although behind closed doors.
End of June MIGHT depending on everything going to plan.
In reply to Post #850
anyone who spits in the street needs a 1 k fine straight off..fcking disgusting habit..
anyone who spits in the street needs a 1 k fine straight off..fcking disgusting habit..
In reply to Post #852
If you're a weekend angler, life is going to be unbearable for the rest of the summer. Even that **** swim in the corner with all the pond scum and empty crisp packets will be tied up
If you're a weekend angler, life is going to be unbearable for the rest of the summer. Even that **** swim in the corner with all the pond scum and empty crisp packets will be tied up
In reply to Post #850
The sky news “ticker” currently states
Prime Minister Borris Johnson has set out changes which will come into force from Wednesday including allowing people to spend time outdoors for leisure purposes as long as they are socially distant from others.
The sky news “ticker” currently states
Prime Minister Borris Johnson has set out changes which will come into force from Wednesday including allowing people to spend time outdoors for leisure purposes as long as they are socially distant from others.
In reply to Post #854
Yep. And 5 grand for a bogey blaster
Yep. And 5 grand for a bogey blaster
Fishing
The Environment Agency (EA) has said that in order to keep both ourselves and those around us safe, we should not currently be leaving our houses to partake in fishing.
The EA said: “These are difficult times for everyone and we know that you'll all be impacted in different ways by the ongoing Coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak.
“This unprecedented situation is changing the way we all go about our daily lives, and the health and safety of our angling community is important to us during this time.
“Please keep safe and well – and, until the guidance changes, be sure to stay at home.”.
The Angling Trust is also campaigning for angling to become one of the first permitted outdoor activities when ministers do review the coronavirus lockdown restrictions.
The Trust has proposed how fishing could be safely permitted as soon as it is appropriate for measures to be eased, in a report entitled ‘When We Fish Again', which has been submitted to Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove and the Fisheries and Sports Ministers.
The Environment Agency (EA) has said that in order to keep both ourselves and those around us safe, we should not currently be leaving our houses to partake in fishing.
The EA said: “These are difficult times for everyone and we know that you'll all be impacted in different ways by the ongoing Coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak.
“This unprecedented situation is changing the way we all go about our daily lives, and the health and safety of our angling community is important to us during this time.
“Please keep safe and well – and, until the guidance changes, be sure to stay at home.”.
The Angling Trust is also campaigning for angling to become one of the first permitted outdoor activities when ministers do review the coronavirus lockdown restrictions.
The Trust has proposed how fishing could be safely permitted as soon as it is appropriate for measures to be eased, in a report entitled ‘When We Fish Again', which has been submitted to Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove and the Fisheries and Sports Ministers.
In reply to Post #855
like I said in an earlier post, keep day tickets shut..
like I said in an earlier post, keep day tickets shut..
I think club waters will find it easier to be responsible as there are less anglers / less human traffic. Day ticket waters will struggle a bit more due to people coming and going / handling of tickets etc.
Don't get me wrong, we all need to act responsibly and you'd be out of your mind to do otherwise..
I personally think it's the go ahead for fishing as he dropped the unlimited exercise bomb and not to mingle with anyone outside your household which suits me down to the ground!
Only problem I can think of is injuring yourself on the bank / driving then putting pressure on the NHS, not to mention probably contracting the covid inside the hospital!
As long as we're sensible I can't see any harm in fishing. The road cyclists do 50 + miles a day, no mention about those?
Don't get me wrong, we all need to act responsibly and you'd be out of your mind to do otherwise..
I personally think it's the go ahead for fishing as he dropped the unlimited exercise bomb and not to mingle with anyone outside your household which suits me down to the ground!
Only problem I can think of is injuring yourself on the bank / driving then putting pressure on the NHS, not to mention probably contracting the covid inside the hospital!
As long as we're sensible I can't see any harm in fishing. The road cyclists do 50 + miles a day, no mention about those?
In reply to Post #853
Hi goose. That's cos team sports aren't socially distant. Leisure activities that are socially distant permitted from weds, including angling and golf.
Hi goose. That's cos team sports aren't socially distant. Leisure activities that are socially distant permitted from weds, including angling and golf.
In reply to Post #853
This is interesting
https://twitter.com/leigh_nikki/status/1259551783430631425?s=20
This is interesting
https://twitter.com/leigh_nikki/status/1259551783430631425?s=20
In reply to Post #860
Good point, syndicates and clubs easier to run than some where like Linear
Good point, syndicates and clubs easier to run than some where like Linear
In reply to Post #855
That's normally the swim that throws up the capture of a lifetime
Keep it to yourself when it does
That's normally the swim that throws up the capture of a lifetime
Keep it to yourself when it does
In reply to Post #860
push bikers are more than likely to put more pressure on nhs.
push bikers are more than likely to put more pressure on nhs.
There's about 5 fisheries already saying a big fat no on face ache
In reply to Post #865
Push bikers have been having unlimited exercise ever since this started I must have seen more on the roads the other day than the tour de France
Push bikers have been having unlimited exercise ever since this started I must have seen more on the roads the other day than the tour de France
In reply to Post #863
I am pretty sure he actually said you can play sport, so long as it's with people from within your household. Nothing about actually getting exercise. Fishing is a sport so it's game on!
I am pretty sure he actually said you can play sport, so long as it's with people from within your household. Nothing about actually getting exercise. Fishing is a sport so it's game on!
In reply to Post #860
The road cyclists do 50 + miles a day, no mention about those?
Exactly the thing that annoys me. Can understand people riding round the village for a bit of motion. These are from all over the place so how is that right
Echo that, Tour de France
The road cyclists do 50 + miles a day, no mention about those?
Exactly the thing that annoys me. Can understand people riding round the village for a bit of motion. These are from all over the place so how is that right
Echo that, Tour de France
In reply to Post #866
Beth Rigby just read from a sheet which I'm assuming is some sort of government handout, standing outside no10. She specifically said from weds outdoor leisure activities such as angling, golf and swimming in outdoor pools will be permitted. I'm assuming she wasn't just making that up so someone in government has briefed her.
Beth Rigby just read from a sheet which I'm assuming is some sort of government handout, standing outside no10. She specifically said from weds outdoor leisure activities such as angling, golf and swimming in outdoor pools will be permitted. I'm assuming she wasn't just making that up so someone in government has briefed her.
In reply to Post #870
Yes I seen this. She said it like it was a definite not just a maybe.
Yes I seen this. She said it like it was a definite not just a maybe.
In reply to Post #871
All down to lake owners now
All down to lake owners now
In reply to Post #869
Anyone not following the guidelines are either uneducated or selfish and irresponsible.
The road cyclists, the panic buyers, the people re selling hand sanitiser, finished plaster and toilet roll on the WWW are all examples of selfishness.
I'm no angel but I always do my part.
Also I had a conversation with a lady, she told me it's costing Farlows £12,000 a day in lost ticket sales / their own bait going into the lake.
OPEN UP FOR THE FISHERIES
Anyone not following the guidelines are either uneducated or selfish and irresponsible.
The road cyclists, the panic buyers, the people re selling hand sanitiser, finished plaster and toilet roll on the WWW are all examples of selfishness.
I'm no angel but I always do my part.
Also I had a conversation with a lady, she told me it's costing Farlows £12,000 a day in lost ticket sales / their own bait going into the lake.
OPEN UP FOR THE FISHERIES
https://youtu.be/IBpoa8irLXo
Apologies for the poor sound but you get the drift
Apologies for the poor sound but you get the drift
In reply to Post #873
You forgot to mention people who spread fake news mate, Farlows would need to sell 400 tickets a day to make £12k
You forgot to mention people who spread fake news mate, Farlows would need to sell 400 tickets a day to make £12k
In reply to Post #875
Exactly. They are probably loosing a tenth of that figure peak season.
I was not aware they sold there own bait on the venue.
Exactly. They are probably loosing a tenth of that figure peak season.
I was not aware they sold there own bait on the venue.
Don't think if lakes open there will be many allowing long stay as they won't be allowed to open there facilities so they'll end up with loads of t***s pooing in bushes and that.
In reply to Post #861
That's not what step 3 clearly states and specifically says angling end of June MAYBE. angling is NOT and never has been EXERCISE.
People are interpreting this for their own ends but the carpers have always been the most selfish anglers.
That's not what step 3 clearly states and specifically says angling end of June MAYBE. angling is NOT and never has been EXERCISE.
People are interpreting this for their own ends but the carpers have always been the most selfish anglers.
In reply to Post #878
Yes of course Angling is not exercise.
But Sky News are citing Angling as a "permitted activity" from a Government source.
So we will wait and see, because we might yet be disappointed if the message changes tomorrow.
Yes of course Angling is not exercise.
But Sky News are citing Angling as a "permitted activity" from a Government source.
So we will wait and see, because we might yet be disappointed if the message changes tomorrow.
In reply to Post #878
as usual Boris is as clear as mud and leaving everyone else to try and sort out his mess...
As said - there are people who can't see past themselves and their own version of events created to suit them alone. There are people on here who have been bragging about fishing over recent weeks already s
as usual Boris is as clear as mud and leaving everyone else to try and sort out his mess...
As said - there are people who can't see past themselves and their own version of events created to suit them alone. There are people on here who have been bragging about fishing over recent weeks already
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In reply to Post #876
They dont mate
They dont mate
God I've just been checking Facebook and lakes are saying that they are more confused and want clarification from angling trust/ government, but God the amount of people asking if there open tomorrow,give them a chance for christ sake.i certainly wont be going if they do as much as it would do me the world of good I can wait another few weeks
If they are open I hate to think how many people will be sleeping outside gates making sure they get a swim
If they are open I hate to think how many people will be sleeping outside gates making sure they get a swim
In reply to Post #880
To be fair it's the media that have made things more confusing by broadcasting their interpretation of what he's said, when the full details won't be released til tommorow.
To be fair it's the media that have made things more confusing by broadcasting their interpretation of what he's said, when the full details won't be released til tommorow.
Just seen a clip of the news. Unlimited outdoor sports and that includes golf and fishing
In reply to Post #878
I'm not sure if that was aimed at me, I'm not being selfish, I'm just repeating what I've seen on the tv and also reported on the bbc and sky news websites. They specifically say leisure activities, not just exercise.
The transcript of Borris's actual words say that you can now drive to destinations to carry out these activities as long as you are only with people from your own household. Well most of us fish on our own.
I'm not sure if that was aimed at me, I'm not being selfish, I'm just repeating what I've seen on the tv and also reported on the bbc and sky news websites. They specifically say leisure activities, not just exercise.
The transcript of Borris's actual words say that you can now drive to destinations to carry out these activities as long as you are only with people from your own household. Well most of us fish on our own.
In reply to Post #884
That clip is just a reporter asking the question not clarifying it
That clip is just a reporter asking the question not clarifying it
Personally I'm surrounded by eleven lakes and the angling website for them has been swamped with people saying they will be down tomorrow totally ignoring the fact they have said they will not be open, hilarious as the fish had just started spawning but the change in weather will stop that.
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Im more worried about the schools. My little ones school can't control nits let alone Covid 19.
In reply to Post #876
I found it hard to believe but it came from a family member of the lake.
I think the bait thing is they're having to put boilies / particle in there own lake as the amount of fish in there need feeding?
Could a lake that is massively overstocked need feeding everyday? I'm no farmer just a fisherman!
I found it hard to believe but it came from a family member of the lake.
I think the bait thing is they're having to put boilies / particle in there own lake as the amount of fish in there need feeding?
Could a lake that is massively overstocked need feeding everyday? I'm no farmer just a fisherman!
In reply to Post #885
What I posted was from the governments 5 steps to unlocking which may change at anytime not a third party interpretation.
What I posted was from the governments 5 steps to unlocking which may change at anytime not a third party interpretation.
In reply to Post #891
It's not like fishing will be compulsory.
The miserable sods who wanted it banned for months dont have to go. They'll still be welcome to hide away in their houses feeling sad and bitter.
As for “carpers always the most selfish anglers”. Maybe join a tench forum instead?
It's not like fishing will be compulsory.
The miserable sods who wanted it banned for months dont have to go. They'll still be welcome to hide away in their houses feeling sad and bitter.
As for “carpers always the most selfish anglers”. Maybe join a tench forum instead?
In reply to Post #886
I had it sent to me, possibly so
I had it sent to me, possibly so
Well Crawley angling society have announced they are reopening lakes from Wednesday but with a draw for swims if there are too many people so members could turn up then lose out in the draw and get sent home again lol
In reply to Post #894
Syndicate I belong to has just emailed me, it's game on from Wednesday. Sod's Law, I am working this week. But at least I have got next week off, booked the days in January. I must be psychic .
Syndicate I belong to has just emailed me, it's game on from Wednesday. Sod's Law, I am working this week. But at least I have got next week off, booked the days in January. I must be psychic
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In reply to Post #895
Angling trust have just updated as well
Angling trust have just updated as well
Can somebody adjust the width of their pictures please, width =500
Does my head in on my iPad
Does my head in on my iPad
Alot of clubs are saying they are waiting until tomorrow for clearer information.The club I'm in are staying closed too for now
In reply to Post #710
To try and blame the opposing government party is a cop out.
To try and blame the opposing government party is a cop out.
FB Post from The Angling Trust says fishing is good from Wednesday but up to clubs / syndicates to manage SD......now as half the country is scared to death I imagine lots of lakes will have plenty of space on them......
In reply to Post #711
Could be 702s post what do you reckon
Could be 702s post what do you reckon
In reply to Post #712
Ho hum
Ho hum
In reply to Post #892
If that was aimed at me as it was posted as a reply to me I am a key worker and worked through the lock down including weekends on call so definitely not hiding at home. Two of my three sister work for the NHS and one of them two of her three sons als work for the NHS, my eldest neice is a doctor and her husband a surgeon. Knowing what they and NHS staff have had to endure for the last two months then reading your comment is insulting. Go catch your carp as it's no great achievement.
If that was aimed at me as it was posted as a reply to me I am a key worker and worked through the lock down including weekends on call so definitely not hiding at home. Two of my three sister work for the NHS and one of them two of her three sons als work for the NHS, my eldest neice is a doctor and her husband a surgeon. Knowing what they and NHS staff have had to endure for the last two months then reading your comment is insulting. Go catch your carp as it's no great achievement.
In reply to Post #886
To all the 'do gooders' ...
Please just stay at home and tap away on ya keyboards.
To the others who use common sense... lets go fishing.
I won't be..my club waters won't open till the 16th. (which I like) .
To all the 'do gooders' ...
Please just stay at home and tap away on ya keyboards.
To the others who use common sense... lets go fishing.
I won't be..my club waters won't open till the 16th. (which I like) .
In reply to Post #904
We can't go fishing nothing mentioned about it at all
We can't go fishing nothing mentioned about it at all
In reply to Post #900
Deffo conspiracy that Wayne
Deffo conspiracy that Wayne
In reply to Post #900
How the fox did you take that come from what the PM said other than Wednesday may see the bigger plan which is all I could make out of it.
How the fox did you take that come from what the PM said other than Wednesday may see the bigger plan which is all I could make out of it.
In reply to Post #904
So why were you crying about your rod licence if you won't go until your club opens
So why were you crying about your rod licence if you won't go until your club opens
People's analytical ability in this country is truly questionable as it always tends to be centred around them and not the bigger picture
In reply to Post #907
Widely reported in the press that angling will be allowed
Widely reported in the press that angling will be allowed
Statement from Angling Trust
With the Government announcing that Fishing in England will resume from Wednesday it will be essential that fisheries and clubs prepare properly to ensure that angling is safe for all and that social distancing measures are adhered to. To help clubs and fisheries prepare, we have drawn up a set of guidelines which are now available to download. #whenwefishagain https://joinanglingtrust.net/.../Phase-one-guidelines-Clubs-F...
Last week we launched our #WhenWeFishAgain campaign - with thousands of you getting involved.
This week #WeAreFishingAgain - with angling in England due to begin on Wednesday 13th May 2020.
We'll keep an eye on the detail tomorrow and keep you updated - but for now it's positive news for the angling community.
It is absolutely crucial that social distancing measures are adhered to and that the guidance to participate alone or with members of your own household are followed. We must not breach the rules the Prime Minister has laid down and we must ensure that we all act as ambassadors for our sport. Our phase one guidance portal is available to help clubs, fisheries and anglers prepare for our safe return to angling. https://joinanglingtrust.net/angling-support-hub-phase-one/
We're proud to have represented anglers in these discussions. We appreciate the support of those who have had input and who have joined us over the past week. We hope that many more of you who have seen the benefit in working together with a single voice on the big issues impacting our sport will join us to build a bright new future for fish and fishing. We are stronger together!
With the Government announcing that Fishing in England will resume from Wednesday it will be essential that fisheries and clubs prepare properly to ensure that angling is safe for all and that social distancing measures are adhered to. To help clubs and fisheries prepare, we have drawn up a set of guidelines which are now available to download. #whenwefishagain https://joinanglingtrust.net/.../Phase-one-guidelines-Clubs-F...
Last week we launched our #WhenWeFishAgain campaign - with thousands of you getting involved.
This week #WeAreFishingAgain - with angling in England due to begin on Wednesday 13th May 2020.
We'll keep an eye on the detail tomorrow and keep you updated - but for now it's positive news for the angling community.
It is absolutely crucial that social distancing measures are adhered to and that the guidance to participate alone or with members of your own household are followed. We must not breach the rules the Prime Minister has laid down and we must ensure that we all act as ambassadors for our sport. Our phase one guidance portal is available to help clubs, fisheries and anglers prepare for our safe return to angling. https://joinanglingtrust.net/angling-support-hub-phase-one/
We're proud to have represented anglers in these discussions. We appreciate the support of those who have had input and who have joined us over the past week. We hope that many more of you who have seen the benefit in working together with a single voice on the big issues impacting our sport will join us to build a bright new future for fish and fishing. We are stronger together!
In reply to Post #910
Don't buy papers so I can't comment on that particular media I've not seen it on TV press releases, I appreciate the angling trust support for it and I support it.
Nothing forth coming yet gotta wait till Wednesday.
Don't buy papers so I can't comment on that particular media I've not seen it on TV press releases, I appreciate the angling trust support for it and I support it.
Nothing forth coming yet gotta wait till Wednesday.
In reply to Post #910
Don't buy papers so I can't comment on that particular media I've nit seen it on TV press releases, I appreciate the angling trusts support for it and I support it.
Nothing forth coming yet gotta wait till Wednesday.
Don't buy papers so I can't comment on that particular media I've nit seen it on TV press releases, I appreciate the angling trusts support for it and I support it.
Nothing forth coming yet gotta wait till Wednesday.
In reply to Post #911
The government have not via television promoted this
The government have not via television promoted this
So can you fish over night or just day sessions from Wednesday
Personally I am seriously excited about getting back on the bank. My exercise of late has involved putting a few KG of bait in a week and walking said water with the dog a few times a week
Can't wait to get sat behind those rods
Can't wait to get sat behind those rods
In reply to Post #910
So the press make the rules now. Lol. Would like to see a return to angling normality if only to stop the crying and if you can go fishing you can get back to work.
So the press make the rules now. Lol. Would like to see a return to angling normality if only to stop the crying and if you can go fishing you can get back to work.
In reply to Post #914
Well someone is briefing the angling trust, sky news, the bbc and several of the printed media etc etc. So either they've all got it wrong or maybe just maybe we might be allowed to fish from weds.
Well someone is briefing the angling trust, sky news, the bbc and several of the printed media etc etc. So either they've all got it wrong or maybe just maybe we might be allowed to fish from weds.
In reply to Post #911
Wait with baited breath for the green light come Wednesday
Wait with baited breath for the green light come Wednesday
In reply to Post #917
Jesus man. Are you always this grumpy?
One small glimmer of good news for people In an otherwise unholy **** storm and all you can do is piss on the parade.
And actually I've worked right through, my son has worked right through and my wife is currently half way through a 36 hour shift, then she gets home for one day, then she does another 24 hour shift.
So maybe we'd like a bit of normality, however small that might be
Jesus man. Are you always this grumpy?
One small glimmer of good news for people In an otherwise unholy **** storm and all you can do is piss on the parade.
And actually I've worked right through, my son has worked right through and my wife is currently half way through a 36 hour shift, then she gets home for one day, then she does another 24 hour shift.
So maybe we'd like a bit of normality, however small that might be
In reply to Post #917
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In reply to Post #920
Goose is full of optimism
Goose is full of optimism
In reply to Post #917
That's where yet again the waters are muddied
Go back to work in construction
But don't use public transport to get there
Easier said than done
That's where yet again the waters are muddied
Go back to work in construction
But don't use public transport to get there
Easier said than done
In reply to Post #922
Probably wary of laying the Golden Egg prematurely perhaps?
Probably wary of laying the Golden Egg prematurely perhaps?
In reply to Post #920
She does them shifts save being at home with you
She does them shifts save being at home with you
In reply to Post #925
In reply to Post #924
I get that we all want to have good news the reality is it won't be any time soon. And fair play to Boris I took from it reading between the lines go to work of safe remember it's a right dodgy state of affairs and particularly dangerous if you put your self in harms way be vigilante stay safe.
I get that we all want to have good news the reality is it won't be any time soon. And fair play to Boris I took from it reading between the lines go to work of safe remember it's a right dodgy state of affairs and particularly dangerous if you put your self in harms way be vigilante stay safe.
In reply to Post #908
Not about me ..
Was just thinking (at the time) of other anglers (my friends \ fellow anglers (you) ) who fish this time of year, and the fact that in a worse case scenario they might not be able to fish till August.
Thankfully (dare I say it), such a scenario looks unlikely at this moment.
Not about me ..
Was just thinking (at the time) of other anglers (my friends \ fellow anglers (you) ) who fish this time of year, and the fact that in a worse case scenario they might not be able to fish till August.
Thankfully (dare I say it), such a scenario looks unlikely at this moment.
In reply to Post #917
Of course they don't lol
I was just pointing out that it's been reported to be the case in response to the question he asked.
Personally I think it's too early, give the public an inch and they'll take about 475 miles right now.
In reality they have probably done the usual and given a vague statement, monitor the reaction of the public/press and have the civil servants throw something half usable together by the following afternoon
Of course they don't lol
I was just pointing out that it's been reported to be the case in response to the question he asked.
Personally I think it's too early, give the public an inch and they'll take about 475 miles right now.
In reality they have probably done the usual and given a vague statement, monitor the reaction of the public/press and have the civil servants throw something half usable together by the following afternoon
In reply to Post #920
Yes, I'm just quoting from government not sky or Jim on fb. Trouble is government are contradicting themselves every time they speak. Understand many need to get out and enjoy their hobby to help keep sane but I don't want the NHS put under any unnecessary risk.
Yes, I'm just quoting from government not sky or Jim on fb. Trouble is government are contradicting themselves every time they speak. Understand many need to get out and enjoy their hobby to help keep sane but I don't want the NHS put under any unnecessary risk.
In reply to Post #928
Yep doesn't make a whole lot of difference to me unless I decide to fish a day ticket. Most of my waters are closed till June 16th. The only one that might open before then is tiny and I suspect no chance of getting a swim.
I was just more pleased for other anglers, my friends who work in tackle shops and my friends who work in tackle manufacturing. The sooner we get back angling. The sooner their jobs are more secure.
But apparently anyone calling for angling to restart is selfish
Yep doesn't make a whole lot of difference to me unless I decide to fish a day ticket. Most of my waters are closed till June 16th. The only one that might open before then is tiny and I suspect no chance of getting a swim.
I was just more pleased for other anglers, my friends who work in tackle shops and my friends who work in tackle manufacturing. The sooner we get back angling. The sooner their jobs are more secure.
But apparently anyone calling for angling to restart is selfish
Already seen a few well known day ticket lakes on facebook are starting to take bookings from tomorrow morning so away you go...
The speech in full is here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-address-to-the-nation-on-coronavirus-10-may-2020
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-address-to-the-nation-on-coronavirus-10-may-2020
In reply to Post #928
No you said in rod licence thread,you do most of your fishing between May-August and if you lost that time fishing you should get money back or an extension on your licence.Yet now you don't fish til June anyway because of club rules.Make up your mind
No you said in rod licence thread,you do most of your fishing between May-August and if you lost that time fishing you should get money back or an extension on your licence.Yet now you don't fish til June anyway because of club rules.Make up your mind
In reply to Post #903
Big respect mate to you and your family who work in the NHS and all they've gone through in the last few weeks. I'm sure all the members in this forum would echo that.
I'm classed as a 'key worker' ( not NHS level) and have been working since the lock down in NOT ideal conditions :( .
But I believe sports such as fishing and golf can work .. it just needs to be done right..
Totally agree with your last sentence , absolutely spot on, but it's just getting out there in the wild for me.
Big respect mate to you and your family who work in the NHS
and all they've gone through in the last few weeks. I'm sure all the members in this forum would echo that. I'm classed as a 'key worker' ( not NHS level) and have been working since the lock down in NOT ideal conditions :( .
But I believe sports such as fishing and golf can work .. it just needs to be done right..
Totally agree with your last sentence
, absolutely spot on, but it's just getting out there in the wild for me.
In reply to Post #934
OK, mid June - August. . My bad.
OK, mid June - August. . My bad.
Have I got ths right ?
Reasons Fishing was stopped
1 to go fishing you needed to travel ? but classed as unnecessary travel
2 lock down only allowed to exercise close to your home
1 now travel is not limited
2 can go to parks etc without restrictions other than social distancing
3 even told you can go to work !
So how anyone can say you cant go fishing beats me ?
Reasons Fishing was stopped
1 to go fishing you needed to travel ? but classed as unnecessary travel
2 lock down only allowed to exercise close to your home
1 now travel is not limited
2 can go to parks etc without restrictions other than social distancing
3 even told you can go to work !
So how anyone can say you cant go fishing beats me ?
In reply to Post #937
Go!
Use common sense, the guidelines, and respect our NHS / future.
Go!
Use common sense, the guidelines, and respect our NHS / future.
In reply to Post #938
I've got a swim provisionally booked for Weds.
Hopefully they won't be getting jiggy,
I've got a swim provisionally booked for Weds.
Hopefully they won't be getting jiggy,
In reply to Post #937
Angling Trust have now confirmed it does include Angling from Wednesday, as per the Environment Secretary advises.
Angling Trust have now confirmed it does include Angling from Wednesday, as per the Environment Secretary advises.
All very difficult to keep all parties happy half the country think we should carry on in total lockdown and for it to more extreme in some cases. The other half want it relaxed or removed. The government are in a no win situation and will get criticism whatever way they turn.
I am a keyworker and luckily have a week off from Tuesday and for once my timing could not have been better. Also fishing a very low stocked lightly fished syndicate water means the banks will be quiet.
I do feel for key-workers as in my experience anxiety levels Are extremely high.
Can't wait to get on the bank. Tight lines everyone.
I am a keyworker and luckily have a week off from Tuesday and for once my timing could not have been better. Also fishing a very low stocked lightly fished syndicate water means the banks will be quiet.
I do feel for key-workers as in my experience anxiety levels Are extremely high.
Can't wait to get on the bank. Tight lines everyone.
In reply to Post #941
I certainly do agree about anxiety levels being high, I work for the NHS, won't say what job I do but last week my boss told me I need some time off. Not had any time off since Christmas.
We've had so many colleagues off unwell I couldn't really take any time off, but many are back to work now so I will be booking a week off work very shortly.
Glad the fishing is back again, some sort of normality in our lives.
I certainly do agree about anxiety levels being high, I work for the NHS, won't say what job I do but last week my boss told me I need some time off. Not had any time off since Christmas.
We've had so many colleagues off unwell I couldn't really take any time off, but many are back to work now so I will be booking a week off work very shortly.
Glad the fishing is back again, some sort of normality in our lives.
In reply to Post #942
Good on you ken. Enjoy yourself. You deserve it
Good on you ken. Enjoy yourself. You deserve it
In reply to Post #940
Gordon Ramsey in the press today with a couple of rod caught bass, so it seems some have started early.
But he is a self important, smug, t**t.
Gordon Ramsey in the press today with a couple of rod caught bass, so it seems some have started early.
But he is a self important, smug, t**t.
In reply to Post #945
We are in a global pandemic with a deadly virus and people are steaming from their homes during a countrywide lockdown to...go fishing.
Thank you for contributing to the improvement of our gene pool by removing yourselves from it. Make sure you all clange your lakeside pans on Thursday evening to show your hypocrisy.
I didn't think it was possible to think less of the current angling scene, but life is full of surprises.
We are in a global pandemic with a deadly virus and people are steaming from their homes during a countrywide lockdown to...go fishing.
Thank you for contributing to the improvement of our gene pool by removing yourselves from it. Make sure you all clange your lakeside pans on Thursday evening to show your hypocrisy.
I didn't think it was possible to think less of the current angling scene, but life is full of surprises.
In reply to Post #946
You can't blame the anglers imo buddy. They are following government guidelines.
You can't blame the anglers imo buddy. They are following government guidelines.
In reply to Post #944
In reply to Post #946
Slight easing of restrictions but don't drop the ball and keep to SD
Fishing is not a problem and never was!
Stay home if you choose, although I suspect many will never leave their houses again because of the “fear” of catching CV19 and will become paranoid manic depressants which is terrible!
Slight easing of restrictions but don't drop the ball and keep to SD
Fishing is not a problem and never was!
Stay home if you choose, although I suspect many will never leave their houses again because of the “fear” of catching CV19 and will become paranoid manic depressants which is terrible!
In reply to Post #946
Awww, you poor scared kitten.
Be strong, be brave, be a man.
Awww, you poor scared kitten.
Be strong, be brave, be a man.
In reply to Post #950
Bear in mind the chap could be high risk (70yo for e.g.), in which case being strong, brave and a man wouldn't help him.
Bear in mind the chap could be high risk (70yo for e.g.), in which case being strong, brave and a man wouldn't help him.
In reply to Post #951
That's a fair point Yonny. I probably shouldn't have said that.
That's a fair point Yonny. I probably shouldn't have said that.
In reply to Post #952
In reply to Post #952
If you are high risk then the easing of lockdown is, ironically, exactly what you want.
You want all the young, fit and healthy people going out and catching this virus and developing (yes here it comes) herd immunity.
As long as you are self isolating what does it matter to you if everyone else is going out and catching this, you want them to, then when they have all had it you can come out of isolation and there shouldn't be anyone to pass it on to you. And the quicker this can happen the better (subject to NHS capacity).
Well that's the theory anyway.
The other extreme is complete isolation, if everyone did this the virus would have no way of passing to anyone else and would die out, obviously this has been, and will be, impossible to achieve.
If you are high risk then the easing of lockdown is, ironically, exactly what you want.
You want all the young, fit and healthy people going out and catching this virus and developing (yes here it comes) herd immunity.
As long as you are self isolating what does it matter to you if everyone else is going out and catching this, you want them to, then when they have all had it you can come out of isolation and there shouldn't be anyone to pass it on to you. And the quicker this can happen the better (subject to NHS capacity).
Well that's the theory anyway.
The other extreme is complete isolation, if everyone did this the virus would have no way of passing to anyone else and would die out, obviously this has been, and will be, impossible to achieve.
I find it fascinating that people appear to be angry that others are taking this news positively. If you honestly believe being in an open space alone is going to spread the virus then for your own piece of mind you should stay at home, going out hasn't been made compulsory.
Being able to now to carry out leisure activities in outdoor spaces with social distancing measures in place is a big relief for a lot of keyworkers out there.
Being able to now to carry out leisure activities in outdoor spaces with social distancing measures in place is a big relief for a lot of keyworkers out there.
In reply to Post #955
Yeah that's pretty much my opinion too
Yeah that's pretty much my opinion too
In reply to Post #955
fair point that last sentence I wonder if any lake owners will be offering reserved places for key workers?
as with any public forum, you'll get your differences of opinion.
People have emotional responses to things that are / have affected them, especially in the current context of a virus that is killing people and it doesn't help matters when their own personal wish to stay home and stay safe sees them labelled as 'living in fear' / 'sheep' / 'do-gooders' (still find the use of that term particularly juvenile...)
Likewise there are those who have family / friends on the frontline who are putting themselves at risk whilst others have been selfishly ignoring the guidance.
Likewise, there are those for whom fishing is important in lots of ways - beyond the trophy shots - and the news last night will come as a huge relief for them.
I've missed fishing, but I've missed my family and loved ones more. Getting back on the bank will be great but it's not top of my list of priorities.
Peace and love all
edit - just seen that McDonalds can open all drive thru's... we should run a sweep for which one has the longest queue!
fair point that last sentence
I wonder if any lake owners will be offering reserved places for key workers? as with any public forum, you'll get your differences of opinion.
People have emotional responses to things that are / have affected them, especially in the current context of a virus that is killing people and it doesn't help matters when their own personal wish to stay home and stay safe sees them labelled as 'living in fear' / 'sheep' / 'do-gooders' (still find the use of that term particularly juvenile...)
Likewise there are those who have family / friends on the frontline who are putting themselves at risk whilst others have been selfishly ignoring the guidance.
Likewise, there are those for whom fishing is important in lots of ways - beyond the trophy shots - and the news last night will come as a huge relief for them.
I've missed fishing, but I've missed my family and loved ones more. Getting back on the bank will be great but it's not top of my list of priorities.
Peace and love all
edit - just seen that McDonalds can open all drive thru's... we should run a sweep for which one has the longest queue!
In reply to Post #955
Totally agree.
Totally agree.
In reply to Post #957
Yeah agree with everything you said Mal.
As for the keyworkers jumping the que its really hard to implement. A lot of people are key workers, myself included but there's others that have been locked up at home for 7 weeks that may benefit more from a day out on the bank than me.
Yeah agree with everything you said Mal.
As for the keyworkers jumping the que its really hard to implement. A lot of people are key workers, myself included but there's others that have been locked up at home for 7 weeks that may benefit more from a day out on the bank than me.
In reply to Post #959
Indeed.
In many ways those of us that have continued to work are the lucky ones.
Indeed.
In many ways those of us that have continued to work are the lucky ones.
In reply to Post #960
Indeed mate, I think I'll have a few short day trips with the kids before I go myself, it's been much harder on my family than it has on me
Indeed mate, I think I'll have a few short day trips with the kids before I go myself, it's been much harder on my family than it has on me
In reply to Post #961
I've been dying to get on the bank but under the circumstances with her and the boy stuck at home all day this past 2 months the last thing I can do is **** off fishing for the weekend.
But with the 2 week summer holiday cancelled I do have ideas about where the leave will be going.
I've been dying to get on the bank but under the circumstances with her and the boy stuck at home all day this past 2 months the last thing I can do is **** off fishing for the weekend.
But with the 2 week summer holiday cancelled I do have ideas about where the leave will be going.
Gary bayes has said key workers get first choice on his lake and free. ..
In reply to Post #962
Same with me tbf. She's been stuck in with 4 kids all this time. Luckily I've carried on working but it not fair for me to piss of fishing for 24hrs when she's had them all day. I'll make up for it in autumn 😉
Same with me tbf. She's been stuck in with 4 kids all this time. Luckily I've carried on working but it not fair for me to piss of fishing for 24hrs when she's had them all day. I'll make up for it in autumn 😉
In reply to Post #963
Nice gesture
Sounds like we are back in business
Nice gesture
Sounds like we are back in business
struggling with this one. been out most days at work (food industry) but missus been stuck at home all day every day trying to work full time and look after two kids. just wouldn't feel right in my case.
wouldn't blame anyone getting out for a session, in fact I'm jealous as hell
wouldn't blame anyone getting out for a session, in fact I'm jealous as hell
In reply to Post #966
Sit tight mate, family should be number one and then your job at this key point in time if your sensible for me. Fishing will always be there for you in the background when you are ready
Sit tight mate, family should be number one and then your job at this key point in time if your sensible for me. Fishing will always be there for you in the background when you are ready
In reply to Post #967
That's exactly what I'm doing,i will sit it out,go to work when told to return by my employer.Let's see how long before we have a second spike
That's exactly what I'm doing,i will sit it out,go to work when told to return by my employer.Let's see how long before we have a second spike
In reply to Post #967
wise words
it's gonna be a circus the first few weeks anyway, well that's what I'll keep telling myself!
wise words
it's gonna be a circus the first few weeks anyway, well that's what I'll keep telling myself!
In reply to Post #969
Everywhere will be like a bank holiday weekend at Linear for the next couple of weeks.
Everywhere will be like a bank holiday weekend at Linear for the next couple of weeks.
In reply to Post #968
That's the fear Braders, a second spike
I've been back at work two weeks now. This week a lot more have come back and places are getting a bit more crowded, not good at all.
It's all personal circumstances for me and people should do what they believe is best for them and their families. My risk rate has gone up as a consequence!
From a fishing perspective, now I can go I should be perfectly fine. Hardly see anybody, will just start with a few days to get me a bit of solitude
I wouldn't touch a circuit water for weeks!
That's the fear Braders, a second spike
I've been back at work two weeks now. This week a lot more have come back and places are getting a bit more crowded, not good at all.
It's all personal circumstances for me and people should do what they believe is best for them and their families. My risk rate has gone up as a consequence!
From a fishing perspective, now I can go I should be perfectly fine. Hardly see anybody, will just start with a few days to get me a bit of solitude
I wouldn't touch a circuit water for weeks!
In reply to Post #969
it's gonna be a circus the first few weeks anyway
Gonna be the same everywhere, shops, takeaways, people missing out and wanting it NOW
it's gonna be a circus the first few weeks anyway
Gonna be the same everywhere, shops, takeaways, people missing out and wanting it NOW
In reply to Post #971
no doubt there will be a seconadary second spike.
amber ED dealing with covid issues
green ED dealing with day to day a&e admissions
Green ed starting to get busy with injuries that are not "sitting at home related"
First hand info from my other half in Yellow ED.
The usual a&e stuff will be the straw that breaks the A&E camels back with general pr1cks going out and doing what they do.
no doubt there will be a seconadary second spike.
amber ED dealing with covid issues
green ED dealing with day to day a&e admissions
Green ed starting to get busy with injuries that are not "sitting at home related"
First hand info from my other half in Yellow ED.
The usual a&e stuff will be the straw that breaks the A&E camels back with general pr1cks going out and doing what they do.
Does anybody know about the legality of night fishing following the easing of the lockdown? Embryo are holding back on opening their lakes until they're sure nobody will get any hassle for camping.
In reply to Post #973
agreed
been on to one of my usual venues and they are opening with a prior booking system with the bailiff
don't turn up unless booking confirmed
on site toilets not open
no visitors and no walking around
one person a time in the anglers cabin
8.00a.m. to 7.00p.m. only
2m distance in the car park and on the bank
all sounds simple and sensible enough. I'll be waiting a bit still but nice to know there's a plan
agreedbeen on to one of my usual venues and they are opening with a prior booking system with the bailiff
don't turn up unless booking confirmed
on site toilets not open
no visitors and no walking around
one person a time in the anglers cabin
8.00a.m. to 7.00p.m. only
2m distance in the car park and on the bank
all sounds simple and sensible enough. I'll be waiting a bit still but nice to know there's a plan
In reply to Post #974
I've just seen this. He said you must return to your home at the end of the day 🤷♂️
I've just seen this. He said you must return to your home at the end of the day 🤷♂️
In reply to Post #974
A No.10 spokesperson said: "The rules allow for you to make visits to enjoy parks or the sort of leisure spaces, but you can't stay overnight."
The new government guidelines read: "You will still not be able to use areas like playgrounds, outdoor gyms or ticketed outdoor leisure venues, where there is a higher risk of close contact and touching surfaces."
The way I've read it, it's not clear unless there's been a separate statement specifically for angling
A No.10 spokesperson said: "The rules allow for you to make visits to enjoy parks or the sort of leisure spaces, but you can't stay overnight."
The new government guidelines read: "You will still not be able to use areas like playgrounds, outdoor gyms or ticketed outdoor leisure venues, where there is a higher risk of close contact and touching surfaces."
The way I've read it, it's not clear unless there's been a separate statement specifically for angling
heard a bbc analyst stating that no camping outdoors,younmust return home the same day...thays night fishing out the window if that's the case
In reply to Post #954
Great post
Great post
In reply to Post #977
Any links for this statement that doesn't come from The S#n? That's the only place I can find anything using google?
Any links for this statement that doesn't come from The S#n? That's the only place I can find anything using google?
In reply to Post #980
I have bbc news video clip on my phone cam stating no camping overnight...anyway I can get it to you ?
I have bbc news video clip on my phone cam stating no camping overnight...anyway I can get it to you ?
In reply to Post #981
PM sent Sid
edit: That was quick !!! Cheers Sid
PM sent Sid
edit: That was quick !!! Cheers Sid
There is nothing on the updated guidance on the government website about camping overnight and doesn't say you have to return home the same day. All it says is you are not allowed to travel to go on holidays including going to second homes
In reply to Post #983
Someone on tv tonight asked about how far can they travel to go to the beach and was told there wasn't a limit but as staying in hotels and b&b wasn't an option they would have to decide how far they would be prepared to go against how much time they would get at the beach. No mention if they stayed on the beach. I suppose that could transpose to fishing?
Someone on tv tonight asked about how far can they travel to go to the beach and was told there wasn't a limit but as staying in hotels and b&b wasn't an option they would have to decide how far they would be prepared to go against how much time they would get at the beach. No mention if they stayed on the beach. I suppose that could transpose to fishing?
So you can't go camping but you can camp whilst angling.
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For those of you that might be interested. This is the actual wording from the new document
Guidance
Our plan to rebuild: The UK Government's COVID-19 recovery strategy
To save you all having to read it like I just did. This is the relevant section on exercise. I should add I can't find anything prohibiting camping or forcing that you return home after a set period angling.
If you want to look it up this is chapter 4 subsection 1
Public spaces
SAGE advise that the risk of infection outside is significantly lower than inside, so the Government is updating the rules so that, as well as exercise, people can also now spend time outdoors subject to: not meeting up with any more than one person from outside your household; continued compliance with social distancing guidelines to remain two metres (6ft) away from people outside your household; good hand hygiene, particularly with respect to shared surfaces; and those responsible for public places being able to put appropriate measures in place to follow the new COVID-19 secure guidance.
People may exercise outside as many times each day as they wish. For example, this would include angling and tennis. You will still not be able to use areas like playgrounds, outdoor gyms or ticketed outdoor leisure venues, where there is a higher risk of close contact and touching surfaces. You can only exercise with up to one person from outside your household - this means you should not play team sports, except with members of your own household.
People may drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance, so long as they respect social distancing guidance while they are there, because this does not involve contact with people outside your household.
When travelling to outdoor spaces, it is important that people respect the rules in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and do not travel to different parts of the UK where it would be inconsistent with guidance or regulations issued by the relevant devolved administration.
These measures may come with some risk; it is important that everyone continues to act responsibly, as the large majority have done to date. The infection rate will increase if people begin to break these rules and, for example, mix in groups in parks, which will trigger the need for further restrictions.
Guidance
Our plan to rebuild: The UK Government's COVID-19 recovery strategy
To save you all having to read it like I just did. This is the relevant section on exercise. I should add I can't find anything prohibiting camping or forcing that you return home after a set period angling.
If you want to look it up this is chapter 4 subsection 1
Public spaces
SAGE advise that the risk of infection outside is significantly lower than inside, so the Government is updating the rules so that, as well as exercise, people can also now spend time outdoors subject to: not meeting up with any more than one person from outside your household; continued compliance with social distancing guidelines to remain two metres (6ft) away from people outside your household; good hand hygiene, particularly with respect to shared surfaces; and those responsible for public places being able to put appropriate measures in place to follow the new COVID-19 secure guidance.
People may exercise outside as many times each day as they wish. For example, this would include angling and tennis. You will still not be able to use areas like playgrounds, outdoor gyms or ticketed outdoor leisure venues, where there is a higher risk of close contact and touching surfaces. You can only exercise with up to one person from outside your household - this means you should not play team sports, except with members of your own household.
People may drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance, so long as they respect social distancing guidance while they are there, because this does not involve contact with people outside your household.
When travelling to outdoor spaces, it is important that people respect the rules in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and do not travel to different parts of the UK where it would be inconsistent with guidance or regulations issued by the relevant devolved administration.
These measures may come with some risk; it is important that everyone continues to act responsibly, as the large majority have done to date. The infection rate will increase if people begin to break these rules and, for example, mix in groups in parks, which will trigger the need for further restrictions.
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In reply to Post #986
I just chuckled when I saw the picture you posted. Cos this is exactly what one of mines just done.
I just chuckled when I saw the picture you posted. Cos this is exactly what one of mines just done.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
These are the updated guidelines of what can and can't be done. End of the day everyone just has to use their common sense and be as safe as possible whilst out of the house. There is nothing on there that says you have to return home each day and nothing about no camping?
So unless they are going to change their recently updated guidance then I don't see a problem with night fishing.
It's always best to take guidance from the government over any news outlets
These are the updated guidelines of what can and can't be done. End of the day everyone just has to use their common sense and be as safe as possible whilst out of the house. There is nothing on there that says you have to return home each day and nothing about no camping?
So unless they are going to change their recently updated guidance then I don't see a problem with night fishing.
It's always best to take guidance from the government over any news outlets
In reply to Post #991
Spot on. I've been amazed at the amount of callers to radio shows today who seemed unable to think for themselves. Calling in with stupid questions like they are expecting a document that literally spoon feeds them every single part of their lives. After careful consideration the government say it's ok to buy chocolate digestives on a Thursday if you stand on one leg. Jesus why can't people just do like you say and adopt a bit of common sense and think before they act. It's not hard is it. I wonder how half the idiots I've heard on the radio have actually survived to reach adulthood.
Spot on. I've been amazed at the amount of callers to radio shows today who seemed unable to think for themselves. Calling in with stupid questions like they are expecting a document that literally spoon feeds them every single part of their lives. After careful consideration the government say it's ok to buy chocolate digestives on a Thursday if you stand on one leg. Jesus why can't people just do like you say and adopt a bit of common sense and think before they act. It's not hard is it. I wonder how half the idiots I've heard on the radio have actually survived to reach adulthood.
In reply to Post #992
When we have such a bumbling ****ing idiot in charge of the country what do you expect.The rest of the world must be laughing their socks off at Donald Trump and Boris the Bodger.
When we have such a bumbling ****ing idiot in charge of the country what do you expect.The rest of the world must be laughing their socks off at Donald Trump and Boris the Bodger.
In reply to Post #992
But Tracey on Facebook said you can't catch Coronavirus if you breath out of your mouth so why don't the government just tell everyone that and we can go back to normal
Thing is some people will read and believe anything they read on the internet. Remember the pics of the army vehicles that were on their way and we would 100% be going on a full lockdown at 9pm tonight and the army are going to be shooting people on sight. It's 100% true because my mates dad, his cousin knows a man who used to be friends with someone who walked the dog of a top government official 😂😂😂
But Tracey on Facebook said you can't catch Coronavirus if you breath out of your mouth so why don't the government just tell everyone that and we can go back to normal
Thing is some people will read and believe anything they read on the internet. Remember the pics of the army vehicles that were on their way and we would 100% be going on a full lockdown at 9pm tonight and the army are going to be shooting people on sight. It's 100% true because my mates dad, his cousin knows a man who used to be friends with someone who walked the dog of a top government official 😂😂😂
In reply to Post #993
Wrong thread you need the one in Non Carp.
Wrong thread you need the one in Non Carp.
In reply to Post #991
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
Says" coronavirus advice is being updated"
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
Says" coronavirus advice is being updated"
I just hope for everyone's sake that some idiot (Probably Braders) doesn't end up doing something stupid and ruining it for all of us. Let's hope for everyone's sake, the elderly, the vulnerable, the poor people having to deal with this in the NHS that this really is the first signs of normality returning.
As Winston said “this is not the end, it's even the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning”. Amen to that my internet friends.
As Winston said “this is not the end, it's even the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning”. Amen to that my internet friends.
In reply to Post #977
People need to focus on what is in the document. That is the official stance. Anything reported on the news saying "A spokesman said", is irrelevant. If it is not in the document, it is fake news. I cannot believe people are actually flagging this and making their own conclusions that being out fishing overnight is the same as camping. A potential red herring is being raised and bought to public attention that does not need to be.
People need to focus on what is in the document. That is the official stance. Anything reported on the news saying "A spokesman said", is irrelevant. If it is not in the document, it is fake news. I cannot believe people are actually flagging this and making their own conclusions that being out fishing overnight is the same as camping. A potential red herring is being raised and bought to public attention that does not need to be.
In reply to Post #997
I'm staying home,staying safe.What is the death rate of midgets from this mate as you might be safe anyway
I'm staying home,staying safe.What is the death rate of midgets from this mate as you might be safe anyway
In reply to Post #999
I think I should be fine. The virus should just float straight over my head.
I think I should be fine. The virus should just float straight over my head.
In reply to Post #1000
In reply to Post #999
Take a walk, keep away from the keyboard, and think outside the box.
Take a walk, keep away from the keyboard, and think outside the box.
In reply to Post #1002
Go for a walk everyday,use my gym and play with my wife's box does that count
Go for a walk everyday,use my gym and play with my wife's box does that count
In reply to Post #1003
Heh , yep
We'll be OK... can't see a second spike.
The only thing that makes me a bit uneasy is the Tubes becoming overcrowded.
Heh
, yep We'll be OK... can't see a second spike.
The only thing that makes me a bit uneasy is the Tubes becoming overcrowded.
In reply to Post #1004
Like you say,ppl just need be sensible.The club I'm in have opened from Wednesday with 20 members allowed on main water using only certain pegs,so far so good but why oh why leave the locks on the three gates to a tiny locked in area.The rest of the lake is open and no one has issues with theft or people coming in your swim.Remove the locks surely less chance of spreading the virus that way
Like you say,ppl just need be sensible.The club I'm in have opened from Wednesday with 20 members allowed on main water using only certain pegs,so far so good but why oh why leave the locks on the three gates to a tiny locked in area.The rest of the lake is open and no one has issues with theft or people coming in your swim.Remove the locks surely less chance of spreading the virus that way
In reply to Post #1005
The locks and transfer of virus is a good point , when you consider so many clubs (including mine) \ syndicates use them.
The locks and transfer of virus is a good point
, when you consider so many clubs (including mine) \ syndicates use them.
In reply to Post #1006
It's a great point but just have some sanitizer in your pocket and don't touch your face. I would like to think most sensible people would be doing this as a regular practice after visiting Shops etc.
It's a great point but just have some sanitizer in your pocket and don't touch your face. I would like to think most sensible people would be doing this as a regular practice after visiting Shops etc.
In reply to Post #1007
A lot of carpers are used to having sanitiser or at least some decent soap / handwash to protect against Weils disease anyway. And if you don't eat the rats you'll stay that bit safer...
A lot of carpers are used to having sanitiser or at least some decent soap / handwash to protect against Weils disease anyway. And if you don't eat the rats you'll stay that bit safer...
In reply to Post #1007
Obviously you would hope so but if removing the locks just takes the potential of transferring the virus by 1% surely it's worth it.Especially as the rest of the lake is not locked in or fenced.Its a public park lake,the rest of the lake has fences you just step over and luckily are quite a distance from the public footpath
Obviously you would hope so but if removing the locks just takes the potential of transferring the virus by 1% surely it's worth it.Especially as the rest of the lake is not locked in or fenced.Its a public park lake,the rest of the lake has fences you just step over and luckily are quite a distance from the public footpath
Just seen that you are advised to dispose of all bait that is taken with you and all rigs that are used to be chucked in bins and all nets and unhooking mats to be dipped in disinfectant before and after a session to stop transfer of covid 19 and outher viruses
In reply to Post #1004
Tubes Already becoming crowded
Special service running on all lines yesterday though
Don't use public transport I think we're the words used originally
Tubes Already becoming crowded
Special service running on all lines yesterday though
Don't use public transport I think we're the words used originally
In reply to Post #1010
Advised by who lol?
Advised by who lol?
In reply to Post #998
Absolutely agree mate - i have been amazed at some of the comments on social media and elsewhere.
I'm surprised some of these people are still wearing shoes, no where in the document does it say you can wear shoes
One of my syndicates is opening - limited number of people, have to book in with the bailiff ahead of time to make sure numbers are kept low, gloves and disinfectant to be used on the lock, obviously no socialising and self takes if you catch.
Realistically the absolute main message is - keep your distance, wash/disinfect your hands regularly, avoid (or at best minimise) any contact with other people. If you exhibit any symptoms then isolate at home.
Apart from getting a bit of fishing in, nothing else will change for me. i might possibly go and see my mum (though would have to wave through the window as she is in the 'at risk' category) and drop some shopping to her.
Absolutely agree mate - i have been amazed at some of the comments on social media and elsewhere.
I'm surprised some of these people are still wearing shoes, no where in the document does it say you can wear shoes
One of my syndicates is opening - limited number of people, have to book in with the bailiff ahead of time to make sure numbers are kept low, gloves and disinfectant to be used on the lock, obviously no socialising and self takes if you catch.
Realistically the absolute main message is - keep your distance, wash/disinfect your hands regularly, avoid (or at best minimise) any contact with other people. If you exhibit any symptoms then isolate at home.
Apart from getting a bit of fishing in, nothing else will change for me. i might possibly go and see my mum (though would have to wave through the window as she is in the 'at risk' category) and drop some shopping to her.
In reply to Post #1010
Omg all this time I've been fishing incorrectly. I never realised that I was meant to rub my unused bait and used rigs around my mouth, up my nose and in my eyes.
What a load of horse****. Who makes this crap up? What next? Anymore ludicrous rules.? How about if you catch a carp, you'd better kill it, because once you've handled it then it's possible it's infected and if someone else catches it everyone in their town will die.
I give up.
Omg all this time I've been fishing incorrectly. I never realised that I was meant to rub my unused bait and used rigs around my mouth, up my nose and in my eyes.
What a load of horse****. Who makes this crap up? What next? Anymore ludicrous rules.? How about if you catch a carp, you'd better kill it, because once you've handled it then it's possible it's infected and if someone else catches it everyone in their town will die.
I give up.
In reply to Post #1014
That's what I thought lol.
That's what I thought lol.
In reply to Post #1010
Who excatly is advising this. I work in a job where when meeting people I have to wear a mask, apron and gloves plus it is a sterile as possible environment.
Who on earth said you need to bin any left over bait and end tackle.
I certainly wouldn't see the need for this.
Who excatly is advising this. I work in a job where when meeting people I have to wear a mask, apron and gloves plus it is a sterile as possible environment.
Who on earth said you need to bin any left over bait and end tackle.
I certainly wouldn't see the need for this.
In reply to Post #1010
Absolute, utter, twaddle. Would you care to enlighten us where you have sourced this prime piece of critical information?
Absolute, utter, twaddle. Would you care to enlighten us where you have sourced this prime piece of critical information?
In reply to Post #1016
According to the gov info
Teachers and staff Don't need ppe in schools
Advising masks not to be worn
Quite how these clowns expect 5/6 year old kids to social distance IDK
According to the gov info
Teachers and staff Don't need ppe in schools
Advising masks not to be worn
Quite how these clowns expect 5/6 year old kids to social distance IDK
In reply to Post #1017
Its on a newspaper article on my phone and it says it is stated by the government
Its on a newspaper article on my phone and it says it is stated by the government
In reply to Post #1014
LOL
Agree - this sounds utterly ridiculous.
Why stop there, should i burn my quiver and rucksack before i head home?
LOL
Agree - this sounds utterly ridiculous.
Why stop there, should i burn my quiver and rucksack before i head home?
In reply to Post #1019
I'm pretty sure the government have no idea what a rig is buddy.
I'm pretty sure the government have no idea what a rig is buddy.
In reply to Post #993
Braders and I rarely agree, but on this we do.
Boris Johnson, His statement and follow on advice from government ministers was so ambiguous it was impossible to understand regarding any sport, with just about the exception of golf.
I can play tennis, if I can find a free court, but not one I have to pay to use in a sports club, but only on my own, or with a friend out of my household as long as we stay 2 metres apart. I can handle his or her balls 😱😮
I can now picnic with a friend as long as we stay 2metres apart.
The Angling Trust advice was you can fish, but as long as you can adhere to social distancing and no keepnets. Then we have the no camping, but you can fish overnight if that is your time off and you work nights.
Local day ticket waters are opening, some are working out ways to open safely, yet haven't given a date yet, but have said they will open as soon as. Even Linear and Orchid are trying to work this out and have given press releases themselves via their website and facebook.
Anglian Water have simply said they will stay shut, despite on Alton Water having 10-12 miles of bank space, where you wouldn't see anyone, have no need to touch gates or locks, and is a mix of season ticket holders and day tickets.
Oh, and add in another anomaly, a friend and I often fish together, often sharing one car as its easier to take one, yet now we must travel separately, increasing the number of cars on the road😁😮😖😅
Braders and I rarely agree, but on this we do.
Boris Johnson, His statement and follow on advice from government ministers was so ambiguous it was impossible to understand regarding any sport, with just about the exception of golf.
I can play tennis, if I can find a free court, but not one I have to pay to use in a sports club, but only on my own, or with a friend out of my household as long as we stay 2 metres apart. I can handle his or her balls 😱😮
I can now picnic with a friend as long as we stay 2metres apart.
The Angling Trust advice was you can fish, but as long as you can adhere to social distancing and no keepnets. Then we have the no camping, but you can fish overnight if that is your time off and you work nights.
Local day ticket waters are opening, some are working out ways to open safely, yet haven't given a date yet, but have said they will open as soon as. Even Linear and Orchid are trying to work this out and have given press releases themselves via their website and facebook.
Anglian Water have simply said they will stay shut, despite on Alton Water having 10-12 miles of bank space, where you wouldn't see anyone, have no need to touch gates or locks, and is a mix of season ticket holders and day tickets.
Oh, and add in another anomaly, a friend and I often fish together, often sharing one car as its easier to take one, yet now we must travel separately, increasing the number of cars on the road😁😮😖😅
In reply to Post #1022
Why on earth would you expect to be able to share a car with someone? It's a confined space where you can't be anywhere close to 2 metres apart. Of course you have to travel separately.
Why on earth would you expect to be able to share a car with someone? It's a confined space where you can't be anywhere close to 2 metres apart. Of course you have to travel separately.
In reply to Post #1022
Better to increase the number of cars rather than increase the number of dead people
Better to increase the number of cars rather than increase the number of dead people
In reply to Post #1022
Im not sure those are great examples tbh mate. I think its really fairly clear.
No idea about the tennis rules I'm afraid as i dont play, so havent looked in depth at them.
RE AT advice: go fishing - the campsite are closed (think about shared faciliities etc) - hard to social distance. You can easily social distance whilst night fishing.
Different water opening at different times -
TIts now completely up to the fishery owner. so might not feel comfortable opening at all. small syndicates with say 20 members will find a way to open safely, quicker (Message the bailiff directly), places like linear will need to come up with a really robust process (at scale) to enable the same thing which will obviously take much longer.
Anglian water (given as it is owned by a consortium) will likely have to think about even things more - remember leisure activities arent their primary concern.
Im not sure those are great examples tbh mate. I think its really fairly clear.
No idea about the tennis rules I'm afraid as i dont play, so havent looked in depth at them.
RE AT advice: go fishing - the campsite are closed (think about shared faciliities etc) - hard to social distance. You can easily social distance whilst night fishing.
Different water opening at different times -
TIts now completely up to the fishery owner. so might not feel comfortable opening at all. small syndicates with say 20 members will find a way to open safely, quicker (Message the bailiff directly), places like linear will need to come up with a really robust process (at scale) to enable the same thing which will obviously take much longer.
Anglian water (given as it is owned by a consortium) will likely have to think about even things more - remember leisure activities arent their primary concern.
just been informed my club lake will be opening tomorrow. I won't be bothering, rules that have been put in would make it non relaxing for me. full ppe must be worn?, plus a drive from one side of Essex to the other which includes going through colchester would be a mare..going to let the mad rush calm down first and crack on building my man cave out the back.
In reply to Post #1026
You've got to wear full PPE while fishing
and at #1010
Just seen that you are advised to dispose of all bait that is taken with you and all rigs that are used to be chucked in bins and all nets and unhooking mats to be dipped in disinfectant before and after a session to stop transfer of covid 19 and outher viruses
Why stop there, might as well chuck your clothes in the car when you get home and petrol bomb the lot
You've got to wear full PPE while fishing
and at #1010
Just seen that you are advised to dispose of all bait that is taken with you and all rigs that are used to be chucked in bins and all nets and unhooking mats to be dipped in disinfectant before and after a session to stop transfer of covid 19 and outher viruses
Why stop there, might as well chuck your clothes in the car when you get home and petrol bomb the lot
Just saying what i seen when i read it erlyer on
For lots of us, it could be the best chance we have of going fishing and actually catching something...
In reply to Post #1028
Crikey, these situations certainly bring out the best and worst in people and highlight those who can apply common sense and those who require guidance at every step.
It's not helped by the standards of reporting these days either. Personally I think the BBC has shown how poor a lot of it's own reporters and presenters are.
Crikey, these situations certainly bring out the best and worst in people and highlight those who can apply common sense and those who require guidance at every step.
It's not helped by the standards of reporting these days either. Personally I think the BBC has shown how poor a lot of it's own reporters and presenters are.
In reply to Post #1019
And there is the problem. You read it in an article that said it was stated by the government. No, its a lie. Read the document from yesterday.. That is the official line. You are quoting fake news.
And there is the problem. You read it in an article that said it was stated by the government. No, its a lie. Read the document from yesterday.. That is the official line. You are quoting fake news.
I read on facebook that the government have said you can only go fishing if you are a Capricorn and as long as you stand on one leg at all times to halve the chance of infection getting on you
It's 100% true because I read it. It's not on the government website on their own guidelines so the government must be wrong
It's 100% true because I read it. It's not on the government website on their own guidelines so the government must be wrong
In reply to Post #1031
Exactly,it is pretty simple really if you are going fishing follow the rules put in place at that water if you don't like them don't go.
This whole situation makes me wonder how many of these "anglers" would still fish if we went back to the old 11 week closes season.
Exactly,it is pretty simple really if you are going fishing follow the rules put in place at that water if you don't like them don't go.
This whole situation makes me wonder how many of these "anglers" would still fish if we went back to the old 11 week closes season.
Few 💩 stirrers on here like who seem to like to stir the pot to get a reaction out of people when they post something.
Night fishing now being questioned as it's regarded as camping........ 
In reply to Post #1030
Couldn't have said it better myself
Couldn't have said it better myself
In reply to Post #1036
There are always good and bad that come out of these situations. The bad are plain to see however if you have an entrepreneurial brain there will be some big winners and I'm not referring to those trying to make a quick buck on the back of shortages. You need the will and foresight to make the changes needed.
There are always good and bad that come out of these situations. The bad are plain to see however if you have an entrepreneurial brain there will be some big winners and I'm not referring to those trying to make a quick buck on the back of shortages. You need the will and foresight to make the changes needed.
The simple solution is don't go , it's sad that fishing to some is more important than keeping healthy .
I'm sure when restrictions are relaxed this virus will rear its ugly head for another burst of death 💀 to a lot of people .
I'm sure when restrictions are relaxed this virus will rear its ugly head for another burst of death 💀 to a lot of people .
In reply to Post #1038
People don't think fishing is more important than keeping healthy. They are just following government guidelines.
People don't think fishing is more important than keeping healthy. They are just following government guidelines.
In reply to Post #1035
I saw that to Wayne. A fishery posted on Facebook, so must be true 🙄, that The Angling Trust are seeking clarification about night fishing and an announcement is going to be made at 1pm today
If night fishing isn't going to be allowed then so be it, it's not the end of the world and 7 weeks ago we'd of killed to be let out to go fish for the day 🤷🏻♂️
People are saying you have to return home from your exercise/sport activity each day (although this isn't in the government guidance) yet no one can tell you what the hours are that you are allowed out for or what time you have to be back indoors by 🤔. If it's a case of just go home that day then I don't see the difference between night fishing and going home at 11.59pm and leaving the house at 00.01 the next day
Some people want exact clarification on every single possible situation which just isn't feasible. Boris hasn't said specifically that you can go to the park and play frisbee with your kids but anyone with a strand of common sense would realise that's perfectly fine to do
I saw that to Wayne. A fishery posted on Facebook, so must be true 🙄, that The Angling Trust are seeking clarification about night fishing and an announcement is going to be made at 1pm today
If night fishing isn't going to be allowed then so be it, it's not the end of the world and 7 weeks ago we'd of killed to be let out to go fish for the day 🤷🏻♂️
People are saying you have to return home from your exercise/sport activity each day (although this isn't in the government guidance) yet no one can tell you what the hours are that you are allowed out for or what time you have to be back indoors by 🤔. If it's a case of just go home that day then I don't see the difference between night fishing and going home at 11.59pm and leaving the house at 00.01 the next day
Some people want exact clarification on every single possible situation which just isn't feasible. Boris hasn't said specifically that you can go to the park and play frisbee with your kids but anyone with a strand of common sense would realise that's perfectly fine to do
UPDATE - Night Fishing - is it allowed ?
As of this morning (May 12) there's nothing in the published government documents that prohibits night fishing as opposed to visiting holiday homes or campsites as set out in section one of the guidance here -
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
However, following the Prime Minister's statement yesterday we have been informed that further guidance will be issued tomorrow which will require people to return to their home every night. This would technically preclude anglers from fishing overnight.
The Angling Trust Advice has always been to travel to fish in accordance with government guidelines and this remains the same.
However, we do not believe that the government ever intended to place limits on the ability of anglers, or indeed others, to practice their sport at night and so we are seeking urgent clarification on this matter. Angling was added to the list of permitted activities on the basis of the proposals set out in the Angling Trust's ‘When We Fish Again' report and we did not see night fishing as a problem.
In the meantime we can only reiterate the need to follow the published government guidance as far as it affects our sport. We will publish further updates when we know more.
Angling Trust
12th May 2020
FEEL FREE TO SHARE AS WE'VE HAD MANY ENQUIRIES. REMEMBER WE DON'T MAKE THE LAWS!
As of this morning (May 12) there's nothing in the published government documents that prohibits night fishing as opposed to visiting holiday homes or campsites as set out in section one of the guidance here -
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
However, following the Prime Minister's statement yesterday we have been informed that further guidance will be issued tomorrow which will require people to return to their home every night. This would technically preclude anglers from fishing overnight.
The Angling Trust Advice has always been to travel to fish in accordance with government guidelines and this remains the same.
However, we do not believe that the government ever intended to place limits on the ability of anglers, or indeed others, to practice their sport at night and so we are seeking urgent clarification on this matter. Angling was added to the list of permitted activities on the basis of the proposals set out in the Angling Trust's ‘When We Fish Again' report and we did not see night fishing as a problem.
In the meantime we can only reiterate the need to follow the published government guidance as far as it affects our sport. We will publish further updates when we know more.
Angling Trust
12th May 2020
FEEL FREE TO SHARE AS WE'VE HAD MANY ENQUIRIES. REMEMBER WE DON'T MAKE THE LAWS!
The Angling Trust have posted this. Looks like tomorrow we will be getting updated guidance from Government and it's sounding like there will be no night fishing allowed
In reply to Post #1039
How can you,the government don't even know what they are saying or doing.You can go see both your parents with SD in place,oh no wait only one parent at a time.Utterly clueless,if you are allowed to go fishing then surely staying at the lake for 24/48hrs is safer than people constantly travelling back and forth to the lakes
How can you,the government don't even know what they are saying or doing.You can go see both your parents with SD in place,oh no wait only one parent at a time.Utterly clueless,if you are allowed to go fishing then surely staying at the lake for 24/48hrs is safer than people constantly travelling back and forth to the lakes
In reply to Post #1043
I didn't say the guidelines were any good
I didn't say the guidelines were any good
In reply to Post #1044
.Its just getting ridiculous imo.They give out too many mixed messages,the countries that have relaxed lockdown are having a big rise in new cases even Germany.What chance have we got with a fluffy haired telly tubby bumbling his way through it all
.Its just getting ridiculous imo.They give out too many mixed messages,the countries that have relaxed lockdown are having a big rise in new cases even Germany.What chance have we got with a fluffy haired telly tubby bumbling his way through it all
flippin hell some people are just never satisfied!
i want to go fishing - ok you can
i want to stay all night!
get out there and enjoy it and if it's in a reduced form for now that's ok - there are still more important things to worry about of course but a few hours on the bank is better than none
stay safe - and alert
edit - braders... very true and very tragically funny
i want to go fishing - ok you can
i want to stay all night!
get out there and enjoy it and if it's in a reduced form for now that's ok - there are still more important things to worry about of course but a few hours on the bank is better than none
stay safe - and alert
edit - braders... very true and very tragically funny
In reply to Post #1043
If both of your parents are at home you can go and see them and just stand at the end of the garden or whatever. It's when you are out in public, like meeting in parks or going for a walk/run that they are saying only one person from each household
I don't get what's so hard to understand 😂😂 if you're are going to your parents house to see if they are ok or whatever the government aren't saying only one parent can answer the door and speak to you while the other one has to stay in the front room watching telly
Again it all comes down to common sense!! Going to see your parents at their house and keeping the SD is fine. Getting your parents, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, cousins etc to meet in the park for a picnic isn't fine
Some people just have to try and find holes in everything 🙄
If both of your parents are at home you can go and see them and just stand at the end of the garden or whatever. It's when you are out in public, like meeting in parks or going for a walk/run that they are saying only one person from each household
I don't get what's so hard to understand 😂😂 if you're are going to your parents house to see if they are ok or whatever the government aren't saying only one parent can answer the door and speak to you while the other one has to stay in the front room watching telly
Again it all comes down to common sense!! Going to see your parents at their house and keeping the SD is fine. Getting your parents, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, cousins etc to meet in the park for a picnic isn't fine
Some people just have to try and find holes in everything 🙄
In reply to Post #1047
Go read what was said initially then had to be corrected the next day
Go read what was said initially then had to be corrected the next day
In reply to Post #1042
And this has all come about because of anglers complaining rather than using common sense.
the document said: unlimited exercise, unlimited distance and specifically mentioned angling.
It does not say anything about returning home, it does not say camping is banned.
Fundamentally THE most important thing at the moment, regardless of what you are doing is making sure that activity in a way that minimises the risk of transferring the virus.
Go fishing, make sure you maintain good hygiene, wash/disinfect hands regularly, clean any key points (locks/gates etc) and maintain social distancing.
Some places wont open for nights, some will. Thats the owners prerogative and probably based on what they feel comfortable with or feel is appropriate which is totally their call.
Throughout this the government has said what (according to advice) can be done. They have said we can go fishing.
Do you really think that they have a minister looking at overnight fishing? Of course not, and especially in the current situation.
However so many anglers have banged on about camping not being allowed (which is generally viewed as group activity) overnight fishing is possibly being banded into that category (in my view, wrongly).
If you want to go fishing and feel you can do so safely, then crack on (from Wednesday obviously). if you dont feel you can, then dont.
I wish people would use more common sense, focus on doing activities in a safe way to minimise risks, rather than having to be told exactly what they can do.
And this has all come about because of anglers complaining rather than using common sense.
the document said: unlimited exercise, unlimited distance and specifically mentioned angling.
It does not say anything about returning home, it does not say camping is banned.
Fundamentally THE most important thing at the moment, regardless of what you are doing is making sure that activity in a way that minimises the risk of transferring the virus.
Go fishing, make sure you maintain good hygiene, wash/disinfect hands regularly, clean any key points (locks/gates etc) and maintain social distancing.
Some places wont open for nights, some will. Thats the owners prerogative and probably based on what they feel comfortable with or feel is appropriate which is totally their call.
Throughout this the government has said what (according to advice) can be done. They have said we can go fishing.
Do you really think that they have a minister looking at overnight fishing? Of course not, and especially in the current situation.
However so many anglers have banged on about camping not being allowed (which is generally viewed as group activity) overnight fishing is possibly being banded into that category (in my view, wrongly).
If you want to go fishing and feel you can do so safely, then crack on (from Wednesday obviously). if you dont feel you can, then dont.
I wish people would use more common sense, focus on doing activities in a safe way to minimise risks, rather than having to be told exactly what they can do.
In reply to Post #1048
So now things are not allowed to be changed 😂😂
Some people just need to be babysat through life because they can't think for themselves
So now things are not allowed to be changed 😂😂
Some people just need to be babysat through life because they can't think for themselves
I do think the Government (more to the point Boris) should of made it clear to those that are shall we say...hard of thinking.
That we as a society all need to take a balanced approach in managing the risks this virus presents to us.
The risk is always there while the virus is prevalent but we all need to take responsibility to minimise the danger to ourselves and others.
If people cannot understand that then frankly there's no helping them.
That we as a society all need to take a balanced approach in managing the risks this virus presents to us.
The risk is always there while the virus is prevalent but we all need to take responsibility to minimise the danger to ourselves and others.
If people cannot understand that then frankly there's no helping them.
In reply to Post #1049
Hit the nail on the head. It will only be anglers that ruin the fishing
Surprised no ones moaning that Boris never said how many wraps we are allowed to fish at 😂
We've been told we can go fishing if we want, but for some that doesn't seem to be enough and want to know the in's and out's of a cows arse in every possible detail because they can't work it out for themselves
Hit the nail on the head. It will only be anglers that ruin the fishing
Surprised no ones moaning that Boris never said how many wraps we are allowed to fish at 😂
We've been told we can go fishing if we want, but for some that doesn't seem to be enough and want to know the in's and out's of a cows arse in every possible detail because they can't work it out for themselves
In reply to Post #1049
Great post 👍🏻
Great post 👍🏻
In reply to Post #1050
I don't need to be babysat by anyone,how can we know what we should and should not be doing when the idiots in charge don't know their own guidelines.I have stuck to staying in,only going for a walk with my family who live under my roof and shopping twice a week and for my elderly neighbours too.Now it's turning into a free for all and when the deaths rates suddenly sky rocket,who is to blame? You can't say sticking to SD works because one minute it's 6ft apart then it's 10ft oh no wait 6fts OK,wear a mask don't wear a mask.The government may aswell just say get on with it and take your chances,3 options are no symptoms,get ill or die crack on but be alert
I don't need to be babysat by anyone,how can we know what we should and should not be doing when the idiots in charge don't know their own guidelines.I have stuck to staying in,only going for a walk with my family who live under my roof and shopping twice a week and for my elderly neighbours too.Now it's turning into a free for all and when the deaths rates suddenly sky rocket,who is to blame? You can't say sticking to SD works because one minute it's 6ft apart then it's 10ft oh no wait 6fts OK,wear a mask don't wear a mask.The government may aswell just say get on with it and take your chances,3 options are no symptoms,get ill or die crack on but be alert
In reply to Post #1054
well put
as always it will be the selfish and the stupid that f*ck it up for the majority of sensible and considerate. C-19 can't tell whether you're a kn*bhead or not - as we are told by the self serving smug muppets 'it doesn't discriminate' . but we don't all have a self contained flat above our workplace in Downing Street to retreat to do we?
sadly we can expect a rise in the numbers of infections and deaths just like other countries where lockdowns have been relaxed.
well put
as always it will be the selfish and the stupid that f*ck it up for the majority of sensible and considerate. C-19 can't tell whether you're a kn*bhead or not - as we are told by the self serving smug muppets 'it doesn't discriminate' . but we don't all have a self contained flat above our workplace in Downing Street to retreat to do we?
sadly we can expect a rise in the numbers of infections and deaths just like other countries where lockdowns have been relaxed.
It's out of the governments hands, they haven't the foggiest what to do hence all the mumbling obfuscation, it's just their idea of damage limitation to avoid being blamed.
Lockdown for us but keep airports open, keep up the free water taxi service in the channel, limit the number of tube trains thus ensuring overcrowding, use a supermarket aisle that's less than 2 meters wide, no mandatory PPE, no deterrent for piss takers,conflicting advice etc.
The public will be blamed of course, but only a slap on the wrist for the medical expert who defied his own advice by hobnobbing with some married bit on the side and also completely screwed up his previous doomsday predictions regarding swine and avian flu by a massive margin. Is his advice still relevant now?
There are idiots about who think the official stance doesn't apply to them but if it isn't enforced then what's the bloody point? Are we at risk or not, it's a simple enough question that the country needs a solid answer to.
Lockdown for us but keep airports open, keep up the free water taxi service in the channel, limit the number of tube trains thus ensuring overcrowding, use a supermarket aisle that's less than 2 meters wide, no mandatory PPE, no deterrent for piss takers,conflicting advice etc.
The public will be blamed of course, but only a slap on the wrist for the medical expert who defied his own advice by hobnobbing with some married bit on the side and also completely screwed up his previous doomsday predictions regarding swine and avian flu by a massive margin. Is his advice still relevant now?
There are idiots about who think the official stance doesn't apply to them but if it isn't enforced then what's the bloody point? Are we at risk or not, it's a simple enough question that the country needs a solid answer to.
In reply to Post #1055
Stupid and selfish would that be the Government you re referring to ? 🤣🤣🤣
Stupid and selfish would that be the Government you re referring to ? 🤣🤣🤣
In reply to Post #1056
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In reply to Post #1056
Of course there's a risk.
There's no vaccination cure, medication or therapy to deal with the virus is there?
The Government are between a rock and a hard place and cannot keep the lock down going as the economy will be in ruins and the implications of that will follow.
I don't mean to sound rude, but please think about what that all means and realistically where we can go from here.
Of course there's a risk.
There's no vaccination cure, medication or therapy to deal with the virus is there?
The Government are between a rock and a hard place and cannot keep the lock down going as the economy will be in ruins and the implications of that will follow.
I don't mean to sound rude, but please think about what that all means and realistically where we can go from here.
In reply to Post #1057
let's just say that if we drew it all out as a venn diagram there would be some crossover there...
let's just say that if we drew it all out as a venn diagram there would be some crossover there...
In reply to Post #1054
Blooming heck, another one we agree on.
The guidelines have been so ambiguous and changed so often no-one knows what is or isn't allowed.
Matt Hancock was ripped apart by Philip Schofield of all people on Good Morning.
Dominic Raab said one thing, Boris Johnson another.
The guidelines on social distancing went from two metres down to one point five metres, but "oh no the British people don't understand distance", so back up to two metres.
I'm not stupid, I would say I'm reasonably intelligent, I can mix with one other friend, hence my comment about one car or two, a facetious comment to be fair, but you get my drift.
Now sure, I would like to night fish, yet once again, it was left as an unknown; although camping is banned, but say as an angler I'm not camping, but fishing, I'm not sleeping out, but watching a night float or by torchlight watching a rod tip. At the end of my session I go home, because I'm not allowed to stay out.
My gripe with Anglian Water was that they copped out of giving a timeframe. Fisheries big and small are saying they will open on 'such and such' date, when they have been able to work out available bailiffs, what pegs and precautions they need to take. Anglian Water chickened out of all of that. My point at Alton is that there is no need for anglers to be touching gates, or locks, there are none other than the main car park.
The public paths around are still being used by locals to walk their dogs around, some of the locals are still cycling round.
Bailiff and ranger patrols? Which ones would they be? I can count with one finger the times I was asked by a ranger if he could see my ticket; I saw the EA bailiff more frequently! Oh, and the ranger only bothered because I was in a swim near the car park.
Blooming heck, another one we agree on.
The guidelines have been so ambiguous and changed so often no-one knows what is or isn't allowed.
Matt Hancock was ripped apart by Philip Schofield of all people on Good Morning.
Dominic Raab said one thing, Boris Johnson another.
The guidelines on social distancing went from two metres down to one point five metres, but "oh no the British people don't understand distance", so back up to two metres.
I'm not stupid, I would say I'm reasonably intelligent, I can mix with one other friend, hence my comment about one car or two, a facetious comment to be fair, but you get my drift.
Now sure, I would like to night fish, yet once again, it was left as an unknown; although camping is banned, but say as an angler I'm not camping, but fishing, I'm not sleeping out, but watching a night float or by torchlight watching a rod tip. At the end of my session I go home, because I'm not allowed to stay out.
My gripe with Anglian Water was that they copped out of giving a timeframe. Fisheries big and small are saying they will open on 'such and such' date, when they have been able to work out available bailiffs, what pegs and precautions they need to take. Anglian Water chickened out of all of that. My point at Alton is that there is no need for anglers to be touching gates, or locks, there are none other than the main car park.
The public paths around are still being used by locals to walk their dogs around, some of the locals are still cycling round.
Bailiff and ranger patrols? Which ones would they be? I can count with one finger the times I was asked by a ranger if he could see my ticket; I saw the EA bailiff more frequently! Oh, and the ranger only bothered because I was in a swim near the car park.
Well I'm quite happy on the whole with how the government have handled it. It's a new evolving disease and situation and it expect them to need to make adjustments as necessary along the way.
The NHS has coped due to the governments actions and millions of people haven't been made unemployed or thousands of businesses close due to the government actions.
I expect a few twists and turns along the way. Why does everyone expect them to have every answer to every situation in an instant. Have you ever met someone who knows everything? Apart from my wife.
The NHS has coped due to the governments actions and millions of people haven't been made unemployed or thousands of businesses close due to the government actions.
I expect a few twists and turns along the way. Why does everyone expect them to have every answer to every situation in an instant. Have you ever met someone who knows everything? Apart from my wife.
In reply to Post #1062
your final 4 words...
(actually - if she reads the forum they could well turn out to be that.... )
your final 4 words... (actually - if she reads the forum they could well turn out to be that....
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In reply to Post #1049
Spot on, Tim
Spot on, Tim
In reply to Post #1054
So you are saying Social distancing doesn't work 😂😂 god help us
Seeing as you seem to know where everyone has gone wrong and must be an expert on infectious viruses. What would you have us all do?
What people need to remember is this is something we've never seen before in our lifetime, yet people are moaning that people don't have the exact answers straight away. The government are doing the best they can for everyone based on what data/info they have to hand
Are you saying every single country/government that have this virus are all clueless and useless because people are still dying from it
People need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture of how much worse this whole thing could of been 😳
So you are saying Social distancing doesn't work 😂😂 god help us
Seeing as you seem to know where everyone has gone wrong and must be an expert on infectious viruses. What would you have us all do?
What people need to remember is this is something we've never seen before in our lifetime, yet people are moaning that people don't have the exact answers straight away. The government are doing the best they can for everyone based on what data/info they have to hand
Are you saying every single country/government that have this virus are all clueless and useless because people are still dying from it
People need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture of how much worse this whole thing could of been 😳
In reply to Post #1061
Think lockdown is getting to us
Think lockdown is getting to us
AT Have just announced that Night fishing is a NO after getting Gov advice...........Looks like your 23:59 pack up Boo and back on the lake at 12:01 is the way forward......
Seems the AT have opened a can of worms that didnt need opening and then got the answer nobody wants to hear...........
Seems the AT have opened a can of worms that didnt need opening and then got the answer nobody wants to hear...........
In reply to Post #1049
And there you go using the phrase "commonsense" something that seems rarer than PPE at the moment.
And there you go using the phrase "commonsense" something that seems rarer than PPE at the moment.
In reply to Post #1067
Got a link Wayne?
My understanding is they're expecting further govt guidelines tomoz which are expected to outlaw it.
Got a link Wayne?
My understanding is they're expecting further govt guidelines tomoz which are expected to outlaw it.
God forbid someone actually catches a fish they will want Boris to come down and reel it in for them.
In reply to Post #1065
How is it working then,if its still spreading and will soon be massive again when idiots are doing what they want?We left it too late to lockdown and allowing flights in still without any form of quarantine in place is crazy.Other parts of Europe told us to act swiftly and what did Boris do,go shake hands with ppl as if the virus was not serious oh and then nearly died.Like I said before go crack on do what you want I could not give a flying fig and I hope you stay safe
How is it working then,if its still spreading and will soon be massive again when idiots are doing what they want?We left it too late to lockdown and allowing flights in still without any form of quarantine in place is crazy.Other parts of Europe told us to act swiftly and what did Boris do,go shake hands with ppl as if the virus was not serious oh and then nearly died.Like I said before go crack on do what you want I could not give a flying fig and I hope you stay safe
In reply to Post #1069
Look at the live Q&A Just done and there post from 2hrs ago.........They know whats coming tomorrow so 99% confirmed as camping is a no no.....
AT Update
Look at the live Q&A Just done and there post from 2hrs ago.........They know whats coming tomorrow so 99% confirmed as camping is a no no.....
AT Update
In reply to Post #1070
He can't unless 2m away and now it will have to be in the day too
He can't unless 2m away and now it will have to be in the day too
In reply to Post #1072
Yeah the statement says they're expecting further guidelines tomoz mate. Until then the documented guidelines indicate it's acceptable. No doubt it'll be off the cards this time tomoz lol.
Yeah the statement says they're expecting further guidelines tomoz mate. Until then the documented guidelines indicate it's acceptable. No doubt it'll be off the cards this time tomoz lol.
In reply to Post #1074
You mean they are going to change their guidance 😳
Keep it quiet from Braders or he may burst a blood vessel 😂😂. Only joking, as long as we do the things we are allowed to do safely and with common sense then hopefully in the near future we will get back to some sort of normality 🤞🏻
In the meantime just use your common sense and stay safe
You mean they are going to change their guidance 😳
Keep it quiet from Braders or he may burst a blood vessel 😂😂. Only joking, as long as we do the things we are allowed to do safely and with common sense then hopefully in the near future we will get back to some sort of normality 🤞🏻
In the meantime just use your common sense and stay safe
In reply to Post #1075
Yet more proof our government know exactly what they are doing
Yet more proof our government know exactly what they are doing
In reply to Post #1074
No doubt it'll be off the cards this time tomoz lol.
Seems someone asked AT about nightfishing (****s) then AT asked (****s) for guidance on the matter if its classed as "Camping".......Why do people complicate things......Take things as they are said and dont question anything with fishing regs!!!
No doubt it'll be off the cards this time tomoz lol.
Seems someone asked AT about nightfishing (****s) then AT asked (****s) for guidance on the matter if its classed as "Camping".......Why do people complicate things......Take things as they are said and dont question anything with fishing regs!!!
In reply to Post #1077
Exactly this mate. ****ing ridiculous innit.
Exactly this mate. ****ing ridiculous innit.
In reply to Post #1059
We haven't cured the common cold and there are more strains of 'flu' to come. If it's such a risk (and I'm not denying that BTW) then why haven't proper deterrents been issued, what directives, this,that,the other ???
If this is so serious then issue firm confirmation and keep strict lock-down implementation, nobody here understands anything with any clarity because the given advice is so muddled.
A government is comprised of workers who put themselves up for the position, they chose the job, you don't expect a postman to do surgery do you so where is the governance? This isn't the time for prevarication, Boris needs to **** or get off the pot.
Unless clarity is shown people will start to do as they please.My neighbours son has mates round,goes out every night,shares a car,shares a "spicy fag", his father permits it, the old bill do nothing about it, I'm not having a pop at you or your post but just WTF are we expected to do? Stay in until some miracle vaccine is sorted out ? Do 'we' self isolate at our own choice but it's not obligatory??
I'm not buying this 'poor little cabinet, they're doing their best' crap, if the world has any future then it's time for strong leadership not a load of clueless waffle.
No offence intended.
We haven't cured the common cold and there are more strains of 'flu' to come. If it's such a risk (and I'm not denying that BTW) then why haven't proper deterrents been issued, what directives, this,that,the other ???
If this is so serious then issue firm confirmation and keep strict lock-down implementation, nobody here understands anything with any clarity because the given advice is so muddled.
A government is comprised of workers who put themselves up for the position, they chose the job, you don't expect a postman to do surgery do you so where is the governance? This isn't the time for prevarication, Boris needs to **** or get off the pot.
Unless clarity is shown people will start to do as they please.My neighbours son has mates round,goes out every night,shares a car,shares a "spicy fag", his father permits it, the old bill do nothing about it, I'm not having a pop at you or your post but just WTF are we expected to do? Stay in until some miracle vaccine is sorted out ? Do 'we' self isolate at our own choice but it's not obligatory??
I'm not buying this 'poor little cabinet, they're doing their best' crap, if the world has any future then it's time for strong leadership not a load of clueless waffle.
No offence intended.
To be fair, they've allowed people to go fishing as a break from the monotony of lockdown but not to touch their own children and grandchildren.
But it comes out that people can't be in their nylon w@nking dome overnight and that causes uproar
But it comes out that people can't be in their nylon w@nking dome overnight and that causes uproar
In reply to Post #1080
But it comes out that people can't be in their nylon w@nking dome overnight and that causes uproar
Now that is funny and worth laughing at........
Exactly this mate. ****ing ridiculous innit.
It sure is, As Noj says no spanking of the monkey yet in their nylon ****ing dome..........
Pooter, if people want the full hym and verse for EVERYTHING the rule book will be like an old Yellow pages directory!! Common sense and follow the rules..........simple simple simple!!
But it comes out that people can't be in their nylon w@nking dome overnight and that causes uproar
Now that is funny and worth laughing at........
Exactly this mate. ****ing ridiculous innit.
It sure is, As Noj says no spanking of the monkey yet in their nylon ****ing dome..........
Pooter, if people want the full hym and verse for EVERYTHING the rule book will be like an old Yellow pages directory!! Common sense and follow the rules..........simple simple simple!!
In reply to Post #1080
In reply to Post #1081
How can you follow rules that change every half an hour
How can you follow rules that change every half an hour
In reply to Post #1083
Which one Tony........
Which one Tony........
In reply to Post #1084
Meeting parents,fishing,wearing masks.The one I find strange is I can't arrange meet my parents at a park or beach even if 2m distance is stuck to but I could be sat with my family who I live with and have a total group of strangers 2m distance around me.I would not feel very safe with that at all
Meeting parents,fishing,wearing masks.The one I find strange is I can't arrange meet my parents at a park or beach even if 2m distance is stuck to but I could be sat with my family who I live with and have a total group of strangers 2m distance around me.I would not feel very safe with that at all
In reply to Post #1080
Trakker have made a USB bivvy fan now for you mate.No more overheating whilst wrestling with your man maggot
Trakker have made a USB bivvy fan now for you mate.No more overheating whilst wrestling with your man maggot
In reply to Post #1085
You can meet 1 person (Dad) from a different household, others (Mum) from same household can go out for exercise in same place as you and Dad..........Common sense and rule bending right there....
You can meet 1 person (Dad) from a different household, others (Mum) from same household can go out for exercise in same place as you and Dad..........Common sense and rule bending right there....
In reply to Post #1081
Follow the rule (book) I'm good with that, what actual rules apply here? You can beg to differ but I like to think I have common sense, I certainly have a sense of self preservation.
I'm still repeating the same old, but when the 'rules' aren't upheld by law officers then 'rules' go out the window.
If it's so deadly then it needs to be addressed correctly by the law enforcement agencies, finger wagging just won't do it and we all know, the world of today is rammed with entitled and selfish ****ers.
There does happen to be a fair few other experts in these things whose voices aren't being heard and the 'expert' ( Prof Neil Ferguson) who decided he was immune has resigned anyway, so much for this wizard of epidemiology and his "model predictions":
https://issuesinsights.com/2020/04/18/after-repeated-failures-its-time-to-permanently-dump-epidemic-models/
This genius, using his model theories predicted up to 200 million succumbing to Avian flu, in the end 440 died. Mad cow disease? Again, Dr Doom predicted up to 50,000 deaths but the end result was about 200.
That football world cup octopus has as good a chance at predicting the outcome as this over sexed radish so why was he chosen? Just ask the average punter, it's going to be some apparently random figure plucked out of thin air, can I have funding to do the same and then ignore my own advice because I want a knee trembler?
Follow the rule (book) I'm good with that, what actual rules apply here? You can beg to differ but I like to think I have common sense, I certainly have a sense of self preservation.
I'm still repeating the same old, but when the 'rules' aren't upheld by law officers then 'rules' go out the window.
If it's so deadly then it needs to be addressed correctly by the law enforcement agencies, finger wagging just won't do it and we all know, the world of today is rammed with entitled and selfish ****ers.
There does happen to be a fair few other experts in these things whose voices aren't being heard and the 'expert' ( Prof Neil Ferguson) who decided he was immune has resigned anyway, so much for this wizard of epidemiology and his "model predictions":
https://issuesinsights.com/2020/04/18/after-repeated-failures-its-time-to-permanently-dump-epidemic-models/
This genius, using his model theories predicted up to 200 million succumbing to Avian flu, in the end 440 died. Mad cow disease? Again, Dr Doom predicted up to 50,000 deaths but the end result was about 200.
That football world cup octopus has as good a chance at predicting the outcome as this over sexed radish so why was he chosen? Just ask the average punter, it's going to be some apparently random figure plucked out of thin air, can I have funding to do the same and then ignore my own advice because I want a knee trembler?
In reply to Post #1088
He was an epidemiologist above the waist only.
He was an epidemiologist above the waist only.
The main issue is people wanting every scenario clarified and not using their common sense. I am not supporting every decision the government has made but I feel the current guidance is pretty simple. Maintain social distancing above everything but you can now see someone from another household and carry out leisure and sport with those in your household.
To me its common sense that if my parents live together I can see them with social distancing measures in place. Problem is if the government started saying one household can meet up with another household we will end up with groups of people all over the place, completely impossible to police. The guidance has to allow for the most stupid in society.
As for the night fishing thing, we are travelling from home to a lake and returning home. There are no time limits or any mention of curfews or what hours we can do it so again I think its pretty clear. People can go for a run or cycle in the dark cant they?
I'm sure they will ban it now which doesn't bother me, but next question will be what time can we fish? Hours of darkness are at their shortest, by the time some get home they can turn around again
To me its common sense that if my parents live together I can see them with social distancing measures in place. Problem is if the government started saying one household can meet up with another household we will end up with groups of people all over the place, completely impossible to police. The guidance has to allow for the most stupid in society.
As for the night fishing thing, we are travelling from home to a lake and returning home. There are no time limits or any mention of curfews or what hours we can do it so again I think its pretty clear. People can go for a run or cycle in the dark cant they?
I'm sure they will ban it now which doesn't bother me, but next question will be what time can we fish? Hours of darkness are at their shortest, by the time some get home they can turn around again
In reply to Post #1090
It was a question that never needed asking and now has just caused unnecessary confusion.
If it's not allowed (night fishing) then does that mean we have a curfew? Do we need to return home by a certain time? All unnecessary questions.
I watched the government briefing today hoping my question, which was; am I allowed to bait up before I leave the lake? I wasn't answered unfortunately. Maybe next time...
It was a question that never needed asking and now has just caused unnecessary confusion.
If it's not allowed (night fishing) then does that mean we have a curfew? Do we need to return home by a certain time? All unnecessary questions.
I watched the government briefing today hoping my question, which was; am I allowed to bait up before I leave the lake? I wasn't answered unfortunately. Maybe next time...
In reply to Post #1088
I pretty much agree with what you are saying. It seems to me that many experts are far too willing to look to the worst case scenario at the first opportunity. Remember Y2K. Remember Sadams WOMD. Etc etc.
But I'm prepared to give Borris a bit of slack on this one, with regards to imposing the lockdown, a quick glance at sky news a few weeks before our lockdown showed the state of the Italian and Spanish health systems, no modelling required there, that was real world evidence and I'm pretty sure without the lockdown we'd have been in that state too.
I pretty much agree with what you are saying. It seems to me that many experts are far too willing to look to the worst case scenario at the first opportunity. Remember Y2K. Remember Sadams WOMD. Etc etc.
But I'm prepared to give Borris a bit of slack on this one, with regards to imposing the lockdown, a quick glance at sky news a few weeks before our lockdown showed the state of the Italian and Spanish health systems, no modelling required there, that was real world evidence and I'm pretty sure without the lockdown we'd have been in that state too.
In reply to Post #1092
Should our lockdown have been done sooner though and stricter rules regarding airports and ports with people coming in and isolating them
Should our lockdown have been done sooner though and stricter rules regarding airports and ports with people coming in and isolating them
Why is it that some people seem to have an inability to follow simple instructions, they want every single minute detail and be told exactly what to do. The guidance from the goverment clear. Use your common sense and apply it to the rules set out. Stop asking stupid unnecessary questions. People don't want a dictatorship but they want to be dictated, they want to be told how to breath, how to walk, how to wipe their own arse. The reason you are confused is not the governments fault, its your own fault, for listening to media speculation and spending far to much time on social media listening to some random telling you they heard the latest from their brothers, girlfriends sisters dog hair dresser. Get a grip, apply common sense and be a responsible adult, remembering why the restrictions are in place.
The night fishing thing is a prime example. We have waited for weeks to get the rods back out and now anglers are nit picking, asking daft questions that inevitably will probably now lead to us not being able to go night fishing. Nice one and well done for asking stupid questions.
The night fishing thing is a prime example. We have waited for weeks to get the rods back out and now anglers are nit picking, asking daft questions that inevitably will probably now lead to us not being able to go night fishing. Nice one and well done for asking stupid questions.
In reply to Post #1094
Agreed
Agreed
In reply to Post #1094
Top post
Top post
In the margin - I could not agree more - you have hit the nail on the head
Why ask Unnecessary questions
Why ask Unnecessary questions
In reply to Post #1092
Rex, I did a quick look at airline flights both 1 and 2 weeks after lock-down was enacted here and for the one airline I looked at (Easyjet), they still had flights from Spain,Italy and China arriving daily. After week 3 only Spain and Italy flights were being shown. This was Easyjet, think of the national carriers, the big players like BA and Air China, how many flights did they operate and passengers arrive? But I'm in lock-down here in the counties and hey, by the end of this month that particular situation will be addressed. Allegedly.
I've written about my neighbours son,I spoke to the son,the father and the police, net result? Nothing, the lad goes out every night. I have a dog in this fight but there's nothing I can do.
We have the second worst death rate in the world, higher than Italy,Spain and China , and we're an island
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/
I'm against state interference in our lives but something needs to be done, Boris caught it himself through being reckless, that's not my idea of steady leadership and if he's stymied by his so called advisors he needs to get better advice.
Rex, I did a quick look at airline flights both 1 and 2 weeks after lock-down was enacted here and for the one airline I looked at (Easyjet), they still had flights from Spain,Italy and China arriving daily. After week 3 only Spain and Italy flights were being shown. This was Easyjet, think of the national carriers, the big players like BA and Air China, how many flights did they operate and passengers arrive? But I'm in lock-down here in the counties and hey, by the end of this month that particular situation will be addressed. Allegedly.
I've written about my neighbours son,I spoke to the son,the father and the police, net result? Nothing, the lad goes out every night. I have a dog in this fight but there's nothing I can do.
We have the second worst death rate in the world, higher than Italy,Spain and China , and we're an island
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/
I'm against state interference in our lives but something needs to be done, Boris caught it himself through being reckless, that's not my idea of steady leadership and if he's stymied by his so called advisors he needs to get better advice.
In reply to Post #1094
Why are questions deemed to be stupid by you?? I know quite a few lake owners and they don´t seem to know what the rules are!! Some are opening 2moro and allowing night fishing while others are not opening at all due to the confusion as to what is allowed and what isn´t. The Angling Trust still trying to work out the implications apparently, anybody else want to ask some stupid questions, not on here though but to the Government, if you get any crystal clear answers please post them on here together with your question. Thanks
Why are questions deemed to be stupid by you?? I know quite a few lake owners and they don´t seem to know what the rules are!! Some are opening 2moro and allowing night fishing while others are not opening at all due to the confusion as to what is allowed and what isn´t. The Angling Trust still trying to work out the implications apparently, anybody else want to ask some stupid questions, not on here though but to the Government, if you get any crystal clear answers please post them on here together with your question. Thanks
In reply to Post #1098
I feel the same way about allowing untested people into the country. To be honest I think we will let people in, tell them they should self isolate and they'll agree and then just ignore it anyway and go straight back to work on building sites and the Amazon warehouse etc etc. Personally I'd shut the borders full stop to anyone who isn't a uk citizen and any returning uk citizen should be made to wear a tag for 14 days.
I feel the same way about allowing untested people into the country. To be honest I think we will let people in, tell them they should self isolate and they'll agree and then just ignore it anyway and go straight back to work on building sites and the Amazon warehouse etc etc. Personally I'd shut the borders full stop to anyone who isn't a uk citizen and any returning uk citizen should be made to wear a tag for 14 days.
In reply to Post #1098
We also have the highest population density in Europe and nearly double that of china and are fighting a deases that thrives through human hosting so given this it was bound to be almost impossible to control.
Nearly forgot to say, Boris did not catch it, clearly it was a cunning plan to assassinate him by some of corbyn's terrorist mate's
We also have the highest population density in Europe and nearly double that of china and are fighting a deases that thrives through human hosting so given this it was bound to be almost impossible to control.
Nearly forgot to say, Boris did not catch it, clearly it was a cunning plan to assassinate him by some of corbyn's terrorist mate's
Relying on people exhibiting common sense doesn't strike me as being of much help really, it's often in short supply.
Wish in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up first.
China has nearly 1.5 billion people and if you trust their figures, less than 5000 deaths.
Wish in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up first.
China has nearly 1.5 billion people and if you trust their figures, less than 5000 deaths.
In reply to Post #1102
You can't trust the English to use common sense, fact is china's population density is nearly half of ours.
You can't trust the English to use common sense, fact is china's population density is nearly half of ours.
In reply to Post #1103
My bad, density not numbers.
Ah so.
My bad, density not numbers.
Ah so.
In reply to Post #1101
I personally think that the "lockdown" should have been extended to the end of May, however I'm not running the country and a decision has been made.
The instructions are pretty simple to follow, maintain SD and try to live your life, if that involves staying at home do that, if it means working do that. HM Govt know that we are in this for the long haul, they are trying to ease restrictions so that life appears more "normal". This country does not have the discipline to have an a proper lockdown so we will now have a long period of managing the R rate, managing flare ups in regions/towns as and when they occur.
The issue with this virus is the the disparity of effect it has on people, from no effects to being incubated with a 50/50 chance of survival, no government wants media reports of huge amounts of people being wheeled into a refrigerated lorry parked outside a hospital. It was only 3 weeks ago that we were going through the peak.
I get that people want to get out on the bank, I absolutely do, its great for mental and physical well being. For me it should be local (1hr radius) initially but thats just my opinion. I suppose I'm finding it easier than some as I've done enough 6 month "all inclusives" in my time to know that there is always light at the end of the tunnel.
When you go, use your common sense, maintain your distance, wash your hands (use soap its far better) and enjoy yourselves and come home safely.
I personally think that the "lockdown" should have been extended to the end of May, however I'm not running the country and a decision has been made.
The instructions are pretty simple to follow, maintain SD and try to live your life, if that involves staying at home do that, if it means working do that. HM Govt know that we are in this for the long haul, they are trying to ease restrictions so that life appears more "normal". This country does not have the discipline to have an a proper lockdown so we will now have a long period of managing the R rate, managing flare ups in regions/towns as and when they occur.
The issue with this virus is the the disparity of effect it has on people, from no effects to being incubated with a 50/50 chance of survival, no government wants media reports of huge amounts of people being wheeled into a refrigerated lorry parked outside a hospital. It was only 3 weeks ago that we were going through the peak.
I get that people want to get out on the bank, I absolutely do, its great for mental and physical well being. For me it should be local (1hr radius) initially but thats just my opinion. I suppose I'm finding it easier than some as I've done enough 6 month "all inclusives" in my time to know that there is always light at the end of the tunnel.
When you go, use your common sense, maintain your distance, wash your hands (use soap its far better) and enjoy yourselves and come home safely.
In reply to Post #1099
I agree there is definitely a lack of clarity in some areas but i do think that prompting a no from the government about night fishing is a bit daft
If it hadn't been mentioned before, and clearly adds no additional covid 19 risk to us going out to fish then it was a question that didn't need asking.
I doubt whichever minister made that decision would know the difference between camping and carping. To be fair there have been many quiet nights where I've questioned it myself
I agree there is definitely a lack of clarity in some areas but i do think that prompting a no from the government about night fishing is a bit daft
If it hadn't been mentioned before, and clearly adds no additional covid 19 risk to us going out to fish then it was a question that didn't need asking.
I doubt whichever minister made that decision would know the difference between camping and carping. To be fair there have been many quiet nights where I've questioned it myself
In reply to Post #1092
Lock down
But kept airports open 🤔
Only Now discussing quarantine at airports
Lock down
But kept airports open 🤔
Only Now discussing quarantine at airports
In reply to Post #1094
Yep this is a stupid cluster****
Totally unnecessary question has been asked
Look at the result 😖
Yep this is a stupid cluster****
Totally unnecessary question has been asked
Look at the result 😖
In reply to Post #1107
I heard this explained by a scientist on the radio yesterday. Basically this was his reply to the question on why quarantine now.
So seven weeks ago you have a large amount of the virus circulating amongst the people already here. Let's make up a figure, say there's 100,000 home grown infections. You let in 10,000 infected people from abroad. You've only increased your numbers by 10% which makes almost no difference to controlling the spread at that point.
Then you introduce lockdown and once that has brought the numbers circulating right down, let's say to 10,000, if you then let in 10,000 infected people you've doubled your infection rate.
So basically you bring in quarantine measures for travellers at the point where introducing new infections would make a dramatic difference to the R number. Before that it's just pointless.
I'm not a scientist, I haven't got an ology.
I heard this explained by a scientist on the radio yesterday. Basically this was his reply to the question on why quarantine now.
So seven weeks ago you have a large amount of the virus circulating amongst the people already here. Let's make up a figure, say there's 100,000 home grown infections. You let in 10,000 infected people from abroad. You've only increased your numbers by 10% which makes almost no difference to controlling the spread at that point.
Then you introduce lockdown and once that has brought the numbers circulating right down, let's say to 10,000, if you then let in 10,000 infected people you've doubled your infection rate.
So basically you bring in quarantine measures for travellers at the point where introducing new infections would make a dramatic difference to the R number. Before that it's just pointless.
I'm not a scientist, I haven't got an ology.
In reply to Post #1101
The 4 biggest cities in China have a larger population than the whole of the UK. The population density will be far higher using those as a comparison. Population density only matters if we all go and live in our allocated density space, which we don't.
The 4 biggest cities in China have a larger population than the whole of the UK. The population density will be far higher using those as a comparison. Population density only matters if we all go and live in our allocated density space, which we don't.
In reply to Post #1105
Totally agree with your first line. Set it for the end of May, lay out the plan, hash it around after people ask stupid questions and whole country good to go 1st June
Edit: In fact I agree with all of it
Totally agree with your first line. Set it for the end of May, lay out the plan, hash it around after people ask stupid questions and whole country good to go 1st June
Edit: In fact I agree with all of it
In reply to Post #1109
Missing the point I feel
Why Not shut the doors completely early on
Once they finally realised how dangerous this was
Not Now months later
As for repatriation flights Then No quarantine?
Sorry just don't understand this one
Missing the point I feel
Why Not shut the doors completely early on
Once they finally realised how dangerous this was
Not Now months later
As for repatriation flights Then No quarantine?
Sorry just don't understand this one
In reply to Post #1111
In reply to Post #1042
All I know is, gear/bait/food all sorted. Filled the van up with fuel this afternoon and I'm up at 2am tomorrow and will have sticks in the dirt by first light. Syndicate I am fishing has imposed just one restriction, stay 2m apart if you happen upon another member. Water is nearly 100 acres, so I am sure we'll all find our own space. Common sense, that's all it is. See you all in 10 days
All I know is, gear/bait/food all sorted. Filled the van up with fuel this afternoon and I'm up at 2am tomorrow and will have sticks in the dirt by first light. Syndicate I am fishing has imposed just one restriction, stay 2m apart if you happen upon another member. Water is nearly 100 acres, so I am sure we'll all find our own space. Common sense, that's all it is. See you all in 10 days
In reply to Post #1112
I saw that scientists explanation and the way he explained it made complete sense, if its rampant in society then an extra (insert number) is largely irrelevant. Stamp down on it, reduce the numbers and then impose a quarantine as it will have an effect.
I do agree that more should of been done with our borders, but I think the shear number of people returning home made it impossible to manage effectively, compared with our testing ability being nowhere near ready for what was needed. Hindsight is a wonderful thing,
I would not want to be Boris atm, he can't do wrong for doing right. There is no guidebook for this and they are having to make decisions daily that they are obviously uncomfortable with and some will prove to be wrong. i don't think that this is helped by certain journalists from the BBC, ITV and SKY who are completely defeatist in their attitudes and like to paint the grimmest picture they can.
I saw that scientists explanation and the way he explained it made complete sense, if its rampant in society then an extra (insert number) is largely irrelevant. Stamp down on it, reduce the numbers and then impose a quarantine as it will have an effect.
I do agree that more should of been done with our borders, but I think the shear number of people returning home made it impossible to manage effectively, compared with our testing ability being nowhere near ready for what was needed. Hindsight is a wonderful thing,
I would not want to be Boris atm, he can't do wrong for doing right. There is no guidebook for this and they are having to make decisions daily that they are obviously uncomfortable with and some will prove to be wrong. i don't think that this is helped by certain journalists from the BBC, ITV and SKY who are completely defeatist in their attitudes and like to paint the grimmest picture they can.
In reply to Post #1110
And China locked down the city it originated in quicker than they told the who and rapidly stopped all travel then tried a cover up operation including silencing those speaking out.
And China locked down the city it originated in quicker than they told the who and rapidly stopped all travel then tried a cover up operation including silencing those speaking out.
In reply to Post #1115
Agreed and meant criticising have their own agenda.
Agreed and meant criticising have their own agenda.
In reply to Post #1115
Put it like this
As a night club bouncer you have pissed stag party inside the venue
Do you
A shut the doors and deal with the problem
B let more punters in and hope it doesn't get out of hand
C pray that those extra you let in aint pissed up and carry on regardless
Put it like this
As a night club bouncer you have pissed stag party inside the venue
Do you
A shut the doors and deal with the problem
B let more punters in and hope it doesn't get out of hand
C pray that those extra you let in aint pissed up and carry on regardless
In reply to Post #1118
Fair play, but I think its easier to deal with a few p**s heads than the estimated 1.3 million that came home.
Like I said there is no manual for this and mistakes will be made, history will show what worked and what didn't. I'm in favour of imposing a quarantine at our airheads / ports, I can see it being implemented when they introduce the NHS track and trace app.
Fair play, but I think its easier to deal with a few p**s heads than the estimated 1.3 million that came home.
Like I said there is no manual for this and mistakes will be made, history will show what worked and what didn't. I'm in favour of imposing a quarantine at our airheads / ports, I can see it being implemented when they introduce the NHS track and trace app.
In reply to Post #1119
Too late sadly re airports
That app thing 🤬🤬🤬
Now who designed this 🤔sorry who Owns this would be a better choice of words
Someone's friend per chance In a position to exploit the £££ windfall
Cynical moi 😉
Not a reply as such to the previous comment
Just a general rant
Too late sadly re airports
That app thing 🤬🤬🤬
Now who designed this 🤔sorry who Owns this would be a better choice of words
Someone's friend per chance In a position to exploit the £££ windfall
Cynical moi 😉
Not a reply as such to the previous comment
Just a general rant
In reply to Post #1120
Tbh I don't think any country has been perfect and without a vaccine we could see many more rounds perhaps even a tact terrorists will adopt the regime of infecting themselves and then try to infect as many as they can, wreaking more havoc so it worries me deeply.
Trouble with the U.K. we've always punched above our weight yes we were great but that was a long time ago (businesses sold out too many vested self interests etc)
So many of our European colleagues who've we've often put down have done so much better than us the stats show that - and we have Brexit completion on the horizon, it draws parallel to our performance in the annual Eurovision Song Contest
We live in interesting times.....
Tbh I don't think any country has been perfect and without a vaccine we could see many more rounds perhaps even a tact terrorists will adopt the regime of infecting themselves and then try to infect as many as they can, wreaking more havoc so it worries me deeply.
Trouble with the U.K. we've always punched above our weight yes we were great but that was a long time ago (businesses sold out too many vested self interests etc)
So many of our European colleagues who've we've often put down have done so much better than us the stats show that - and we have Brexit completion on the horizon, it draws parallel to our performance in the annual Eurovision Song Contest
We live in interesting times.....
In reply to Post #1116
Which reinforces what Pooter was saying. Nothing to do with population density.
Which reinforces what Pooter was saying. Nothing to do with population density.
In reply to Post #1120
It's an 'app'. It's sexy!
It's an 'app'. It's sexy!
In reply to Post #1121
America sneeze's the world catches a cold.
China cough's and the West goes on the dole?
Very uncertain times.
America sneeze's the world catches a cold.
China cough's and the West goes on the dole?
Very uncertain times.
Have we got to this stage yet?
A two min clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfGAktuU93s
A two min clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfGAktuU93s
In reply to Post #1122
It has a lot to do with population density, more so here ware thousands have ignored the stay at home rule.
It has a lot to do with population density, more so here ware thousands have ignored the stay at home rule.
In reply to Post #1118
A every time😉
I have a simple answer, and it probably involves getting some of the smelt, herring and mackeral out the freezer for a few trips along the estuary seeing if the bass are about yet.
A every time😉
I have a simple answer, and it probably involves getting some of the smelt, herring and mackeral out the freezer for a few trips along the estuary seeing if the bass are about yet.
In reply to Post #1118
My club are re-opening at 08:45 on Saturday (first mistake), they are doing a draw for swims (second mistake) limiting numbers to 30 anglers on the complex (third mistake), yet anyone can turn up and draw for swims as long as they text the bailiff first (fourth mistake), with the unsuccessful ones made to go home, or some will do something stupid like cramming themselves onto an already busy day ticket water elsewhere.
This will be like the bog roll situation. queues outside the gate an hour before, 50 odd anglers crammed into the car park, all fighting over swims which would be empty 90% of the time.
Not going to touch the place with a barge pole until this has blown over.
My club are re-opening at 08:45 on Saturday (first mistake), they are doing a draw for swims (second mistake) limiting numbers to 30 anglers on the complex (third mistake), yet anyone can turn up and draw for swims as long as they text the bailiff first (fourth mistake), with the unsuccessful ones made to go home, or some will do something stupid like cramming themselves onto an already busy day ticket water elsewhere.
This will be like the bog roll situation. queues outside the gate an hour before, 50 odd anglers crammed into the car park, all fighting over swims which would be empty 90% of the time.
Not going to touch the place with a barge pole until this has blown over.
In reply to Post #1128
Hey mate.
Why do you see them as mistakes? All seems perfectly reasonable to me. If you have to contact the bailiff first you can ask how many are down to come for the draw so they can limit at 30 without extra anglers turning up....
Hey mate.
Why do you see them as mistakes? All seems perfectly reasonable to me. If you have to contact the bailiff first you can ask how many are down to come for the draw so they can limit at 30 without extra anglers turning up....
In reply to Post #1127
That was exactly my plan. Been working non stop for several weeks now, both charitable and in my own interests. River's aren't open and no way do I fancy any of the lake options with the tickets I hold. So thought I'd pack up the shore fishing gear stick a bivvy in the van and do a few nights from a few secluded marks I know. Clear as mud if I can without getting any hassle
That's because I've no common sense apparently
That was exactly my plan. Been working non stop for several weeks now, both charitable and in my own interests. River's aren't open and no way do I fancy any of the lake options with the tickets I hold. So thought I'd pack up the shore fishing gear stick a bivvy in the van and do a few nights from a few secluded marks I know. Clear as mud if I can without getting any hassle
That's because I've no common sense apparently
In reply to Post #1129
Hi Mal,
I think having a single opening time will see a bottleneck of anglers, all crammed into the car park at once drawing for swims. Telling people there are only 30 spaces yet allowing others to turn up for the draw will mean people needlessly being there. Much better to just do ring up and the bailiff can give you a time slot to turn up. Those doing days, those doing evenings, those doing nights. once the 30 slots are gone, that's it. As for swims, everyone stays in there swim unless they want to move, whereby the onsite bailiff gives you options over the phone.
I can imagine a lot of unhappy people on saturday being turned away and travelling far and wide to cram themselves onto already busy day tickets.
Hi Mal,
I think having a single opening time will see a bottleneck of anglers, all crammed into the car park at once drawing for swims. Telling people there are only 30 spaces yet allowing others to turn up for the draw will mean people needlessly being there. Much better to just do ring up and the bailiff can give you a time slot to turn up. Those doing days, those doing evenings, those doing nights. once the 30 slots are gone, that's it. As for swims, everyone stays in there swim unless they want to move, whereby the onsite bailiff gives you options over the phone.
I can imagine a lot of unhappy people on saturday being turned away and travelling far and wide to cram themselves onto already busy day tickets.
49 vehicles parked up at farlows this morning waiting for the gates to open. I've seen the video on WhatsApp
This is gonna end in tears.
This is gonna end in tears.
In reply to Post #1132
no different from the queues at sainsburys or tesco and at least social distancing will occur unlike buping shopping trolleys everywhere.
no different from the queues at sainsburys or tesco and at least social distancing will occur unlike buping shopping trolleys everywhere.
In reply to Post #1133
I think Rex means angling will get the blame, food is essential.
I think Rex means angling will get the blame, food is essential.
In reply to Post #1133
ive seen various videos Farlows, Thorney weir etc all rammed this morning no doubt it will be the same at most day tickets, the media will have a frenzy over it but as others have said I don't see it any different to queues at supermarkets once you are through the gates its probably fine and all rules being adhered too not that the press will see it like that
ive seen various videos Farlows, Thorney weir etc all rammed this morning no doubt it will be the same at most day tickets, the media will have a frenzy over it but as others have said I don't see it any different to queues at supermarkets once you are through the gates its probably fine and all rules being adhered too not that the press will see it like that
In reply to Post #1125
Good that...
Good that...
Has anyone seen the FB video's of the queue's at Thorney and Farlows this morning........I dont know how many pegs they have at these lakes but **** me it looked like a Transit van convention.......
Edit - Seems like my question is answered with the previous few posts......
Edit - Seems like my question is answered with the previous few posts......
In reply to Post #1135
I would be surprised if the press take any notice at all. The vids I've seen appear to show guys maintaining SD even in those ridiculous queues.
I would be surprised if the press take any notice at all. The vids I've seen appear to show guys maintaining SD even in those ridiculous queues.
In reply to Post #1138
The Vid i saw has 3 blokes at the front of the queue elbow to elbow talking about everything carpy.....
The Vid i saw has 3 blokes at the front of the queue elbow to elbow talking about everything carpy.....
In reply to Post #1131
Fair enough - I honestly would have thought the bailiff would be telling people once they reach the 30 limit. That's plain stupid to know that more anglers will turn up than you have capacity for.
Staggered starts and allocated pegs would be a better plan I agree
As I posted earlier in the thread, one of my favourite local venues ( a day ticket water that seems to have thought it through more sensibly) has a booking on system with the bailiff. How hard can that be for clubs / syndicates?
Fair enough - I honestly would have thought the bailiff would be telling people once they reach the 30 limit. That's plain stupid to know that more anglers will turn up than you have capacity for.
Staggered starts and allocated pegs would be a better plan I agree
As I posted earlier in the thread, one of my favourite local venues ( a day ticket water that seems to have thought it through more sensibly) has a booking on system with the bailiff. How hard can that be for clubs / syndicates?
Not that it was needed but Government have confirmed night fishing is allowed
Well not in them exact words but they have said “for any amount of time” no doubt there will be people still asking for more clarification 😂😂
Well not in them exact words but they have said “for any amount of time” no doubt there will be people still asking for more clarification 😂😂
In reply to Post #1140
That's why 'common sense' is an unreliable option, very little gets displayed.....
Numpty world, honk honk.
That's why 'common sense' is an unreliable option, very little gets displayed.....
Numpty world, honk honk.
In reply to Post #1142
too right. honestly - some fishery management is about as effective as the bloody government!
who wins if they have to send anglers away? they'll just get P'd off with the venue and look to take their business elsewhere - maybe indefinitely.
if the limit is 30 then take 30 bookings with a system in place to promote some 'fairness' (maybe a time limit and then a specified 'no return until' time period like on car parks) that way you can keep more of your membership happy and ensure safety.
not difficult is it?
too right. honestly - some fishery management is about as effective as the bloody government!
who wins if they have to send anglers away? they'll just get P'd off with the venue and look to take their business elsewhere - maybe indefinitely.
if the limit is 30 then take 30 bookings with a system in place to promote some 'fairness' (maybe a time limit and then a specified 'no return until' time period like on car parks) that way you can keep more of your membership happy and ensure safety.
not difficult is it?
In reply to Post #1140
As I posted earlier in the thread, one of my favourite local venues ( a day ticket water that seems to have thought it through more sensibly) has a booking on system with the bailiff. How hard can that be for clubs / syndicates
Our syndicate has opened and we have 48 hr blocks we book, with an hour between when block ends to when the next starts. All members to be off the lake an hour before the next block
Today 8am to Friday 11am
Friday 12noon to Sunday 11am
Sunday 12noon etc.etc..
Few extra rules from the norm but basically common sense. All swims are more than 7-8 metres apart.
26 members over two lakes, 11 booked for the first block, probably the same Fri-Sun between the two lakes. Way it is atm I could have one of the lakes to myself Sunday if I wanted it.
As I posted earlier in the thread, one of my favourite local venues ( a day ticket water that seems to have thought it through more sensibly) has a booking on system with the bailiff. How hard can that be for clubs / syndicates
Our syndicate has opened and we have 48 hr blocks we book, with an hour between when block ends to when the next starts. All members to be off the lake an hour before the next block
Today 8am to Friday 11am
Friday 12noon to Sunday 11am
Sunday 12noon etc.etc..
Few extra rules from the norm but basically common sense. All swims are more than 7-8 metres apart.
26 members over two lakes, 11 booked for the first block, probably the same Fri-Sun between the two lakes. Way it is atm I could have one of the lakes to myself Sunday if I wanted it.
In reply to Post #1144
Interesting post........
THIS IS FROM A DOCTOR WORKING IN BROADGREEN HOSPITAL: WHO KNOWS A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN ANY GOVERNMENT MINISTER:
What was the aim of lock down? What did every single health "expert" say was the reason to justify a lockdown? And why do we have a Flu season at all? And why have we continued to have a steady incidence rate despite being in lockdown? And why are thousands of elderly people dying in nursing homes?
The reason we had lockdown was to "flatten the curve" or buy time to increase ITU/crit care beds. Well with 4 nightingale hospitals mothballed and 50% of hospital beds lying empty, I think we have achieved that.
Not one "expert" worth his salt will tell you that we can stop a respiratory virus, and if they did they would be lying or I am deluded and we have no common cold or Flu cases every winter. So with a fifth of the country likely to have already had the virus and a health service with a massive amount of level 2 and level 3 beds, we are more than ready for a second spike, as it stands. Remember we cannot lock down forever and we need to come out, which brings me on to the Flu season.
Why do we have a flu season? The main reason we have a Flu season is because as it gets cooler people coop up and spend more time in close proximity, the population becomes denser and therefor it's easier for a virus to travel, also people tend to eat less fruit and veg and see less sunlight and our natural defences are slightly depleted, sound familiar?
The longer we stay locked down, the closer we will be to the next Flu season, so essentially you will be hitting a second spike as people begin to mix, late summer early Autumn which will be just as the next Flu seasons hits, so a second spike will lead nicely into a third and if you want to overwhelm the NHS then this is the exact way to do it.
Lastly why are so many elderly people dying of COVID, well it's largely down to the paranoia that people are displaying on platforms like facebook. GP's are not assessing elderly patients face to face, they are not being taken to hospital or they are terrified to go to hospital incase they get COVID, so they stay at home until it's too late.
Strokes are down up to 70%, where have these patient gone? MI's down 50%, Hospital attendances down 90%, where are all the falls?? But why do they all have COVID signs?
Well anyone who has worked with elderly patients, and I suspect lots of you have, will know there are multiple reasons an elderly person can develop a pneumonia (COVID symptoms). They might fall and be in pain therefore not fully expand their lungs and develop atelectasis and then pneumonia.
They may have reduced mobility, due to quarantine, and become constipated and this may push up on the diaphragm and cause atelectasis or cause them to vomit and aspirate leading to pneumonia.They may develop urinary retention and UTI, secondary to constipation, and become bed bound, causing more time in a prone position and develop a basal collapse of the lungs and again atelectasis and pneumonia. The fact that they have reduced mobility may even mean they spend more time in bed or just sitting, which again is enough to cause chest infection/pneumonia.
Strokes may not present (they aren't) and develop swallow issues and aspirate leading to pneumonia, MIs may present late and develop pulmonary oedema with a secondary infection again leading to pneumonia, and many may have a cold or a Flu (which is down 95%) and go on to develop a pneumonia.
All of the above reasons would cause a patient to have COVID symptoms and will kill elderly patients if not treated, and all of them are enough to be classed as a COVID death currently. And this is why so many nursing homes are being decimated, it's as much through fear as it is through COVID.
Before you campaign and sign petitions to lock yourselves and your family away, remember also that lock down has consequences.
The first 2 reasons are clear above, the elderly will become frail, not be treated and die in their thousands, and thousands of people will not attend A&E at all, or until it's too late and again will die. This is before you factor in the 60 thousand cancer patients that will lose their lives because of missed screening or delayed operations. And then there is the burden on mental health services and the deaths caused by domestic abuse or suicide. And that's before the biggest killer by far which will be austerity.
We are heading for the biggest recession in 300 years, the last one has cost an estimated 500000 lives, why will this one be any different? And even with the lock down measures prolonged, will we have saved any lives any way, as our frail residents face a second and third spike in quick succession.
I understand that you my be scared and its overwhelming being constantly bombarded with negativity and fear, but before you completely isolate yourselves and fall out with loved ones and friends, ask yourself is lockdown still working, and what are the potential benefits of staying locked down versus, carrying on with some semblance of a normal life?"
Interesting post........
THIS IS FROM A DOCTOR WORKING IN BROADGREEN HOSPITAL: WHO KNOWS A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN ANY GOVERNMENT MINISTER:
What was the aim of lock down? What did every single health "expert" say was the reason to justify a lockdown? And why do we have a Flu season at all? And why have we continued to have a steady incidence rate despite being in lockdown? And why are thousands of elderly people dying in nursing homes?
The reason we had lockdown was to "flatten the curve" or buy time to increase ITU/crit care beds. Well with 4 nightingale hospitals mothballed and 50% of hospital beds lying empty, I think we have achieved that.
Not one "expert" worth his salt will tell you that we can stop a respiratory virus, and if they did they would be lying or I am deluded and we have no common cold or Flu cases every winter. So with a fifth of the country likely to have already had the virus and a health service with a massive amount of level 2 and level 3 beds, we are more than ready for a second spike, as it stands. Remember we cannot lock down forever and we need to come out, which brings me on to the Flu season.
Why do we have a flu season? The main reason we have a Flu season is because as it gets cooler people coop up and spend more time in close proximity, the population becomes denser and therefor it's easier for a virus to travel, also people tend to eat less fruit and veg and see less sunlight and our natural defences are slightly depleted, sound familiar?
The longer we stay locked down, the closer we will be to the next Flu season, so essentially you will be hitting a second spike as people begin to mix, late summer early Autumn which will be just as the next Flu seasons hits, so a second spike will lead nicely into a third and if you want to overwhelm the NHS then this is the exact way to do it.
Lastly why are so many elderly people dying of COVID, well it's largely down to the paranoia that people are displaying on platforms like facebook. GP's are not assessing elderly patients face to face, they are not being taken to hospital or they are terrified to go to hospital incase they get COVID, so they stay at home until it's too late.
Strokes are down up to 70%, where have these patient gone? MI's down 50%, Hospital attendances down 90%, where are all the falls?? But why do they all have COVID signs?
Well anyone who has worked with elderly patients, and I suspect lots of you have, will know there are multiple reasons an elderly person can develop a pneumonia (COVID symptoms). They might fall and be in pain therefore not fully expand their lungs and develop atelectasis and then pneumonia.
They may have reduced mobility, due to quarantine, and become constipated and this may push up on the diaphragm and cause atelectasis or cause them to vomit and aspirate leading to pneumonia.They may develop urinary retention and UTI, secondary to constipation, and become bed bound, causing more time in a prone position and develop a basal collapse of the lungs and again atelectasis and pneumonia. The fact that they have reduced mobility may even mean they spend more time in bed or just sitting, which again is enough to cause chest infection/pneumonia.
Strokes may not present (they aren't) and develop swallow issues and aspirate leading to pneumonia, MIs may present late and develop pulmonary oedema with a secondary infection again leading to pneumonia, and many may have a cold or a Flu (which is down 95%) and go on to develop a pneumonia.
All of the above reasons would cause a patient to have COVID symptoms and will kill elderly patients if not treated, and all of them are enough to be classed as a COVID death currently. And this is why so many nursing homes are being decimated, it's as much through fear as it is through COVID.
Before you campaign and sign petitions to lock yourselves and your family away, remember also that lock down has consequences.
The first 2 reasons are clear above, the elderly will become frail, not be treated and die in their thousands, and thousands of people will not attend A&E at all, or until it's too late and again will die. This is before you factor in the 60 thousand cancer patients that will lose their lives because of missed screening or delayed operations. And then there is the burden on mental health services and the deaths caused by domestic abuse or suicide. And that's before the biggest killer by far which will be austerity.
We are heading for the biggest recession in 300 years, the last one has cost an estimated 500000 lives, why will this one be any different? And even with the lock down measures prolonged, will we have saved any lives any way, as our frail residents face a second and third spike in quick succession.
I understand that you my be scared and its overwhelming being constantly bombarded with negativity and fear, but before you completely isolate yourselves and fall out with loved ones and friends, ask yourself is lockdown still working, and what are the potential benefits of staying locked down versus, carrying on with some semblance of a normal life?"
In reply to Post #1144
How do you eat yours
How do you eat yours
In reply to Post #1145
clear, concise and well planned.
Better than a queue of 50 vans outside eh?
edit - keebs...
clear, concise and well planned.
Better than a queue of 50 vans outside eh?
edit - keebs...
I've had an email from the environment agency, others I suspect too?
We know how much you've all been waiting to get back out onto the banks safely. So we wanted to let you know that the Government's latest review of lockdown restrictions means that we can all do exactly that from today, Wednesday 13 May, in England only (the situation in Wales is being clarified, visit Natural Resources Wales for the latest position).
This decision recognises the fact that fishing can be done safely while still adhering to social distancing guidelines. Obviously this is great news for the entire angling community, but it's vital that when we do go fishing, we all do so responsibly and safely in order to continue playing our own part in protecting ourselves, others and key public services.
As we start returning to the banks, it's really important to follow the latest guidance on social distancing which remain in place. More detailed information on how to fish safely at this time can be found on the Angling Trust website.
Please don't forget to check that your licence is still valid before you head out. If your licence has expired, you can renew your licence at GOV.UK. You'll still need permission from the fisheries owner to go fishing and all byelaws, rules and regulations including the Close Season are still applicable at this time.
We know how much you've all been waiting to get back out onto the banks safely. So we wanted to let you know that the Government's latest review of lockdown restrictions means that we can all do exactly that from today, Wednesday 13 May, in England only (the situation in Wales is being clarified, visit Natural Resources Wales for the latest position).
This decision recognises the fact that fishing can be done safely while still adhering to social distancing guidelines. Obviously this is great news for the entire angling community, but it's vital that when we do go fishing, we all do so responsibly and safely in order to continue playing our own part in protecting ourselves, others and key public services.
As we start returning to the banks, it's really important to follow the latest guidance on social distancing which remain in place. More detailed information on how to fish safely at this time can be found on the Angling Trust website.
Please don't forget to check that your licence is still valid before you head out. If your licence has expired, you can renew your licence at GOV.UK. You'll still need permission from the fisheries owner to go fishing and all byelaws, rules and regulations including the Close Season are still applicable at this time.
In reply to Post #1137
maybe Ive missed something here, BUT is ANYONE thinking about going back to work....this is a PANDEMIC not a holiday, the Government dont want to be paying people to go fishing do they??It will ALL need to be paid back at some time..
maybe Ive missed something here, BUT is ANYONE thinking about going back to work....this is a PANDEMIC not a holiday, the Government dont want to be paying people to go fishing do they??It will ALL need to be paid back at some time..
In reply to Post #1151
Lots of posts here from people who have been working. I personally go back tomorrow morning, but will be out fishing tonight first.
Lots of posts here from people who have been working. I personally go back tomorrow morning, but will be out fishing tonight first.
In reply to Post #1151
Sorry Boris,are you personally paying people?I'm ready to go back to work once the business I work for opens and all safety measures and SD has been implemented.I can't go back until I'm told to do so
Sorry Boris,are you personally paying people?I'm ready to go back to work once the business I work for opens and all safety measures and SD has been implemented.I can't go back until I'm told to do so
In reply to Post #1151
I've not stopped working, my lakes open Friday morning and am having a 4 night trip. The missus has put the brakes on it a bit though and can't go til Monday as she is working at the weekend
I've not stopped working, my lakes open Friday morning and am having a 4 night trip. The missus has put the brakes on it a bit though and can't go til Monday as she is working at the weekend
In reply to Post #1151
Being in the live music industry I may never work again
Being in the live music industry I may never work again
In reply to Post #1151
Your right , it has to be paid back at some point ....but not by my generation ... cheers
Your right , it has to be paid back at some point ....but not by my generation ... cheers
In reply to Post #1153
actually I coudnt care less, was just asking!I I own a lake in France so dont care what you do in UK!!
Daviduk Lumber your kids with the debt then ? OK
Braders....Boris?? Where did that come from??
actually I coudnt care less, was just asking!I I own a lake in France so dont care what you do in UK!!
Daviduk Lumber your kids with the debt then ? OK
Braders....Boris?? Where did that come from??
In reply to Post #1156
we'll start paying for it by the time the next budget comes out.
Tax rises, pay freezes. Of course if you're a lazy scrounger who exploits our benefit system, there's been no real change and you won't have to worry about paying more tax.....
we'll start paying for it by the time the next budget comes out.
Tax rises, pay freezes. Of course if you're a lazy scrounger who exploits our benefit system, there's been no real change and you won't have to worry about paying more tax.....
In reply to Post #1157
a comment like that might just bite you on the arse if your lake in france relies on uk anglers..a lot of fellas on here might be self employed(like myself) and don't claim or get fck all..
a comment like that might just bite you on the arse if your lake in france relies on uk anglers..a lot of fellas on here might be self employed(like myself) and don't claim or get fck all..
In reply to Post #1159
have you been able to access the self employed workers government scheme site today? apparently it crashed due to demand...
hopefully something you can benefit from as it stinks how so many self employed have been treated so far...
edit - https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/04/self-employed-help-coronavirus/
have you been able to access the self employed workers government scheme site today? apparently it crashed due to demand...
hopefully something you can benefit from as it stinks how so many self employed have been treated so far...
edit - https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/04/self-employed-help-coronavirus/
In reply to Post #1160
no I've not looked Mal,me and the ball and chain are ok at mo so I didn't want to start claiming anything.ive jobs lined up for when things can get back to normal(ish) just didn't like the comment knocking uk guys who might just need a nights fishing to clear their heads..
no I've not looked Mal,me and the ball and chain are ok at mo so I didn't want to start claiming anything.ive jobs lined up for when things can get back to normal(ish) just didn't like the comment knocking uk guys who might just need a nights fishing to clear their heads..
In reply to Post #1161
fair enough
could be worth a look as it's been made simpler and they've widened the net a bit to include more people.
maybe tomorrow though...
fair enough
could be worth a look as it's been made simpler and they've widened the net a bit to include more people.
maybe tomorrow though...
In reply to Post #1162
im more stressed up about getting a hair cut..daughter did it not long back and left me looking like a badger with mange..
im more stressed up about getting a hair cut..daughter did it not long back and left me looking like a badger with mange..
In reply to Post #1157
Isn't France holding its hand out for a billion euro bond to help them out? Still they may just get French business's to contribute a lot more now a major eu revenue source is coming to an end.
Isn't France holding its hand out for a billion euro bond to help them out? Still they may just get French business's to contribute a lot more now a major eu revenue source is coming to an end.
In reply to Post #1155
Chin up brother.
I reckon stuff will happen before the end of the year, it's amazing how quickly things can be organised, especially when there's such a lot of people depending on it.
No summer festival season though - trying not to be too happy about that
Chin up brother.
I reckon stuff will happen before the end of the year, it's amazing how quickly things can be organised, especially when there's such a lot of people depending on it.
No summer festival season though - trying not to be too happy about that
In reply to Post #1125
In reply to Post #1155
Rod Stewart told me he has never worked since joining the music industry. Not sure I believe him though, some of the women he's dated look like very hard ward work.
Rod Stewart told me he has never worked since joining the music industry. Not sure I believe him though, some of the women he's dated look like very hard ward work.
In reply to Post #1157
You don't care what we are doing in the UK,yet you are telling us to get back to work like you run the country
You don't care what we are doing in the UK,yet you are telling us to get back to work like you run the country
In reply to Post #1168
go read it again, never told you to go back, just asked....lighten up fgs!
go read it again, never told you to go back, just asked....lighten up fgs!
In reply to Post #1159
not a problem for us, we do ok thanks! Just asked IF anyone was going to work or just thinking this was a holiday....self employed do get government help
not a problem for us, we do ok thanks! Just asked IF anyone was going to work or just thinking this was a holiday....self employed do get government help
In reply to Post #1164
No idea mate but we dont pay french tax so it doesnt matter
No idea mate but we dont pay french tax so it doesnt matter
In reply to Post #1169
As soon as my employer wants me back in I will be going in.I hope it starts to make things feel a bit normalish again
As soon as my employer wants me back in I will be going in.I hope it starts to make things feel a bit normalish again
In reply to Post #1172
good for you......and i wasnt having a go, just interested thats all
good for you......and i wasnt having a go, just interested thats all
In reply to Post #1173
I'm sure most are in the same boat as me.I have worked since I left school,this staying at home is not for me but if its keeping me safer and my family so be it.I love my fishing but no way am I going yet,it just would not be fair on my wife.My wife has stayed open through all this as a childminder plus got our 3 at home.It would be very selfish of me to piss off fishing leaving her to it
I'm sure most are in the same boat as me.I have worked since I left school,this staying at home is not for me but if its keeping me safer and my family so be it.I love my fishing but no way am I going yet,it just would not be fair on my wife.My wife has stayed open through all this as a childminder plus got our 3 at home.It would be very selfish of me to piss off fishing leaving her to it
In reply to Post #1165
No summer festival season though
That is a bonus
some of the women he's dated look like very hard ward work
No summer festival season though
That is a bonus
some of the women he's dated look like very hard ward work
Well, back in the house. That was a quick session. Went to my main water for this year and it was packed out. Opened the gate, anit bacteriad the hands and had a walk. Back to the car, repeat and home. Thanks but no thanks
Guessing everywhere is gonna be the same
My advise, watch what your touching chaps, gates and padlocks etc. makes you a bit paranoid to say the least!
Guessing everywhere is gonna be the same
My advise, watch what your touching chaps, gates and padlocks etc. makes you a bit paranoid to say the least!
It's going to be a very different June 16th this year for a lot of us. One of my waters, quite rightly have said they are going to limit numbers at the start on the whole complex. I suspect another one of my waters might do the same thing. The water I was at yesterday has introduced time limits, 48hrs then you must leave for 48hrs in an attempt to limit numbers and make sure everyone gets a chance to fish.
If might not even bother to fish the start this year and just go a few days into the season and try to miss some of the chaos.
If might not even bother to fish the start this year and just go a few days into the season and try to miss some of the chaos.
In reply to Post #1177
I guess we are all the same, we just want to go fishing but I guess there has to be an element of self caution too
Can't see me getting back on here for a few months now. Got me thinking how many people have handled the locks and gates etc
If they are a closely monitored water I think they could easily make some positive steps forward, one swim in, one empty around the waters and limit the bookings around this. Take all the locks off, keep gates open etc too
I guess we are all the same, we just want to go fishing but I guess there has to be an element of self caution too
Can't see me getting back on here for a few months now. Got me thinking how many people have handled the locks and gates etc
If they are a closely monitored water I think they could easily make some positive steps forward, one swim in, one empty around the waters and limit the bookings around this. Take all the locks off, keep gates open etc too
In reply to Post #1178
The water I was on yesterday is limiting numbers to every other swim. They haven't actually closed swims. They've just said if you turn up an a swim is occupied, don't be a cock and drop in the swim next door (it's a small water)
Another one of my waters has provided hand gels and a spray by each set of gates. You are required to spray the lock before and after use. They have provided sprays for the toilet as well. Same applies. To be honest though they are limited number clubs, very well run, I'd expect it's much harder for day ticket waters to put in place the sort of controls that small clubs can. Luton angling club has 1500 members. Good luck controlling that lot.
I know we pay a lot to be members of proper syndicates and limited number clubs, put at times like these it seems money well spent.
The water I was on yesterday is limiting numbers to every other swim. They haven't actually closed swims. They've just said if you turn up an a swim is occupied, don't be a cock and drop in the swim next door (it's a small water)
Another one of my waters has provided hand gels and a spray by each set of gates. You are required to spray the lock before and after use. They have provided sprays for the toilet as well. Same applies. To be honest though they are limited number clubs, very well run, I'd expect it's much harder for day ticket waters to put in place the sort of controls that small clubs can. Luton angling club has 1500 members. Good luck controlling that lot.
I know we pay a lot to be members of proper syndicates and limited number clubs, put at times like these it seems money well spent.
In reply to Post #1179
A small aside her but if you are using a communal spray is that not the same as touching the lock ? Personal spray and gel is the way forward or gloves to get in and out of gate and dispose of once in or going out but make sure it's all in or out to save on plastic gloves
A small aside her but if you are using a communal spray is that not the same as touching the lock ? Personal spray and gel is the way forward or gloves to get in and out of gate and dispose of once in or going out but make sure it's all in or out to save on plastic gloves
In reply to Post #1179
Sounds spot on that mate, well managed
It will be interesting to see how day tickets follow suit with the turn over and numbers they get. A bit of careful thought and I think they could do it? Booking based on numbers would be a start and then sorry, we are full
Bit of controversy. Other than breaking down and travelling etc. It made me wonder from the start if fishing was worth stopping. Over the last 3 or 4 years I have fished a few very quite waters on and off. In such circumstances you would not see a soul, drive there, fish and home
Still controlling the masses I guess it needs to be one rule for all
Sounds spot on that mate, well managed
It will be interesting to see how day tickets follow suit with the turn over and numbers they get. A bit of careful thought and I think they could do it? Booking based on numbers would be a start and then sorry, we are full
Bit of controversy. Other than breaking down and travelling etc. It made me wonder from the start if fishing was worth stopping. Over the last 3 or 4 years I have fished a few very quite waters on and off. In such circumstances you would not see a soul, drive there, fish and home
Still controlling the masses I guess it needs to be one rule for all
In reply to Post #1180
I will deffo have my own gel. Gates, locks, taps and communal areas are a serious concern. They reckon it needs to be >70% alcohol content too
I will deffo have my own gel. Gates, locks, taps and communal areas are a serious concern. They reckon it needs to be >70% alcohol content too
In reply to Post #1182
60% is fine LINK
I bet Linear are actually terrified of opening, if that have any sense they are currently doing the equivalent of turning all the lights off and hiding behind the sofa
60% is fine LINK
I bet Linear are actually terrified of opening, if that have any sense they are currently doing the equivalent of turning all the lights off and hiding behind the sofa
In reply to Post #1183
Nice one Chuffy
They are probably scrapping at the gates of linear now
Nice one Chuffy
They are probably scrapping at the gates of linear now
In reply to Post #1184
It says soap and water is better. Are you familiar with that, I assume you have running water but I could send you soap?
It says soap and water is better. Are you familiar with that, I assume you have running water but I could send you soap?
In reply to Post #1185
We have plenty of water. You will find the water around me is pure, straight off the hills, not like that **** soup out of the Thames that you Southerners drink
We have plenty of water. You will find the water around me is pure, straight off the hills, not like that **** soup out of the Thames that you Southerners drink
In reply to Post #1186
Straight off the hills. Why you on a water meter?
Straight off the hills. Why you on a water meter?
In reply to Post #1187
Actually, yes
Actually, yes
In reply to Post #1188
So am I. Contrary to belief in certain circumstance water companies can force you to have one.
Oops bit off topic there.
So am I. Contrary to belief in certain circumstance water companies can force you to have one.
Oops bit off topic there.
In reply to Post #1186
Southerners don't get thames water, we it from unground springs filtered through the chalk of the south downs. The stuff off the Yorkshire hills is full of sheep and cattle excrement and farm chemicals.
Southerners don't get thames water, we it from unground springs filtered through the chalk of the south downs. The stuff off the Yorkshire hills is full of sheep and cattle excrement and farm chemicals.
In reply to Post #1189
It was an option, much cheaper too
It was an option, much cheaper too
In reply to Post #1190
That's probably what they tell you
That's probably what they tell you
In reply to Post #1178
Could do with teaching some of the numpties on the local park lake self caution.
I just walked my dog around the park, and obviously the lake. A mate of mine is fishing there, in a single swim where no-one can get close. Yet other swims have bivvies set up right next to each other, even touching.
He was horrified at a group of anglers in 3 bivvies in one swim sitting sharing cans etc.
I have had a number of lakes come up on my FB feed. Varioys venues have a bucket of soapy water and sponge by the gates to wash the locks, anglers on a booking basis only, and you must bring sanitiser and wipes.
I'm not fishing yet, AW still haven't given an opening date, and with the local park being rammed, i'm not going anywhere near there to fish.
I also don't fancy the local day ticket fisheries, one I bailiff, the fish just aren't my type. I'm not into catching 50 carp between 2-10lb, I do prefer my harder venue.
Could do with teaching some of the numpties on the local park lake self caution.
I just walked my dog around the park, and obviously the lake. A mate of mine is fishing there, in a single swim where no-one can get close. Yet other swims have bivvies set up right next to each other, even touching.
He was horrified at a group of anglers in 3 bivvies in one swim sitting sharing cans etc.
I have had a number of lakes come up on my FB feed. Varioys venues have a bucket of soapy water and sponge by the gates to wash the locks, anglers on a booking basis only, and you must bring sanitiser and wipes.
I'm not fishing yet, AW still haven't given an opening date, and with the local park being rammed, i'm not going anywhere near there to fish.
I also don't fancy the local day ticket fisheries, one I bailiff, the fish just aren't my type. I'm not into catching 50 carp between 2-10lb, I do prefer my harder venue.
In reply to Post #1192
I'm in the industry so they don't need to tell me.
I'm in the industry so they don't need to tell me.
one of my local waters posted a video of the spawning last week - and they're open for fishing this week...
should they be waiting? genuinely asking as I know there are some people on here who know better than I do...
should they be waiting? genuinely asking as I know there are some people on here who know better than I do...
Wasteing your time if they are spawning mate
In reply to Post #1196
I'm waiting on going for a bit anyway - was wondering about the fish tbh
I'm waiting on going for a bit anyway - was wondering about the fish tbh
In reply to Post #1197
The club I'm in shut our main carp water twice last year for spawning.Both times it lasted longer than a week,that's not long enough imo
The club I'm in shut our main carp water twice last year for spawning.Both times it lasted longer than a week,that's not long enough imo
In reply to Post #1194
You sound happy with your water then Goose
You sound happy with your water then Goose
In reply to Post #1199
Very, even more so the main one I fish.
Very, even more so the main one I fish.
In reply to Post #1200
Took my daughter fishing today for her first "proper go" at it. Ended up with a nice small bag of roach from a stock pond that I got told off for fishing, until it was highlighted to the bailiff that he used to let me get live baits from it for the past 5 years, and his own website says it can be fished by kids tiddler bashing. So off he sloped to collect a tenner each off the 15 blokes dressed head to toe in Nash, casting two ounce leads at spawning single figure fish
Put a slight sour note on a lovely morning.
Took my daughter fishing today for her first "proper go" at it. Ended up with a nice small bag of roach from a stock pond that I got told off for fishing, until it was highlighted to the bailiff that he used to let me get live baits from it for the past 5 years, and his own website says it can be fished by kids tiddler bashing. So off he sloped to collect a tenner each off the 15 blokes dressed head to toe in Nash, casting two ounce leads at spawning single figure fish
Put a slight sour note on a lovely morning.
In reply to Post #1201
Forget the grumpy bailiff mate
Your day sounds brilliant and it's a memory that he won't figure in as the years pass by.
Forget the grumpy bailiff mate
Your day sounds brilliant and it's a memory that he won't figure in as the years pass by.
In reply to Post #1196
My local lake opened last Saturday. It's now shut as the fish are spawning. Gawd.......
My local lake opened last Saturday. It's now shut as the fish are spawning. Gawd.......
In reply to Post #1201
Don't worry about the bailiff, you were able to point him in the right direction😉👍🏻
Your kids had a good day, and that is what matters.
Sadly not enough people understand about fish spawning, or catch at all costs.
I've managed to book a night or two on Essex Carp Syndicates day ticket lake.
I just wish Anglian Water would open their fisheries though; day tickets can cost a fortune right now, and having to travel further afield, money i'm loathe to spend with being on 80% furlough wages
Don't worry about the bailiff, you were able to point him in the right direction😉👍🏻
Your kids had a good day, and that is what matters.
Sadly not enough people understand about fish spawning, or catch at all costs.
I've managed to book a night or two on Essex Carp Syndicates day ticket lake.
I just wish Anglian Water would open their fisheries though; day tickets can cost a fortune right now, and having to travel further afield, money i'm loathe to spend with being on 80% furlough wages
In reply to Post #1203
If only more done the same...
If only more done the same...
Is there and has anybody seen a definitive government statement on overnight fishing.
In reply to Post #1206
I haven't seen a government statement but the Angling Trust published something saying it was OK to fish overnight. The statement was made in consultation with the government. Some clubs and syndicates are still sticking to days only for the time being.
I haven't seen a government statement but the Angling Trust published something saying it was OK to fish overnight. The statement was made in consultation with the government. Some clubs and syndicates are still sticking to days only for the time being.
In reply to Post #1207
Yes, that's the best I've seen. Ali Hamidi seems convinced but it all still seems to be interpretations of ambiguous guidelines.
Yes, that's the best I've seen. Ali Hamidi seems convinced but it all still seems to be interpretations of ambiguous guidelines.
In reply to Post #1208
The Angling Trust say they have cleared it with the Government, what you after a hand written letter from Boris?
The Angling Trust say they have cleared it with the Government, what you after a hand written letter from Boris?
In reply to Post #1208
Do a Cummings and use the ambiguity to do what suits you.
Do a Cummings and use the ambiguity to do what suits you.
In reply to Post #1209
So you haven't then. Neither have I. Question answered. Will use my common sense as usual. No problem.
So you haven't then. Neither have I. Question answered. Will use my common sense as usual. No problem.
In reply to Post #1211
Well the place I fish is open for nights so that's good enough for me.
Plenty of other places are also open for nights and no one has been asked to close their lakes when the sun goes down.
Make the most of it.
Well the place I fish is open for nights so that's good enough for me.
Plenty of other places are also open for nights and no one has been asked to close their lakes when the sun goes down.
Make the most of it.
In reply to Post #1212
Will do. Lake opens June 1st.
Will do. Lake opens June 1st.
Fish, travel, carry on. I've lost any belief I had with these clowns, it's going deeper than public health.
Things are going to be relaxed even more from 1st June so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
In reply to Post #1210
Cummings did nothing outside the rules but the media have whip up a frenzy,read the rules then ask why are the biased media lying and gunning for him. Oh yeah he was the man behind the brexit campaign and the eu are pulling remainders strings to weaken the government.
Cummings did nothing outside the rules but the media have whip up a frenzy,read the rules then ask why are the biased media lying and gunning for him. Oh yeah he was the man behind the brexit campaign and the eu are pulling remainders strings to weaken the government.
In reply to Post #1216
I for one don't think it should cost him his job, after all none of the labour mp's who have been caught breaking lock down rules have been sacked and its barely been mentioned in mainstream media, funny that, but just because he is a high profile brexiteer it's the biggest story of the year. Plus to be fair whilst I've been working all the way through this virus I must have seen 50 - 100 people a day doing much worse than he's done, including people I know personally and they're the ones slagging him and Boris off all over social media, and yep you've guessed it they are all anti brexit and anti tory.
I for one don't think it should cost him his job, after all none of the labour mp's who have been caught breaking lock down rules have been sacked and its barely been mentioned in mainstream media, funny that, but just because he is a high profile brexiteer it's the biggest story of the year. Plus to be fair whilst I've been working all the way through this virus I must have seen 50 - 100 people a day doing much worse than he's done, including people I know personally and they're the ones slagging him and Boris off all over social media, and yep you've guessed it they are all anti brexit and anti tory.
In reply to Post #1216
I never saw the prolonged outrage ****storm when Labour MP's Steve Kinnock, Tahir Ali or that lardbucket from the SNP did it though.
British Fraudcasting Corporation.
I never saw the prolonged outrage ****storm when Labour MP's Steve Kinnock, Tahir Ali or that lardbucket from the SNP did it though.
British Fraudcasting Corporation.
In reply to Post #1218
I say chaps this hasn't got much to do with fishing there's a thread in Non Carp for this type of thing.
BTW if anyone wants to know who Lardbucket is
I say chaps this hasn't got much to do with fishing there's a thread in Non Carp for this type of thing.
BTW if anyone wants to know who Lardbucket is
In reply to Post #1217
I dont think it should cost him his job either. I think the outrage and coverage is because he was involved in creating the lockdown rules, only to bend them and do exactly what he told others not to do, even though they technically could have done it, as he has shown and the government has backed up. People feel aggrieved by it.
Not to mention the reckless driving when he potentially couldnt see...like it's an acceptable excuse.
I dont think it should cost him his job either. I think the outrage and coverage is because he was involved in creating the lockdown rules, only to bend them and do exactly what he told others not to do, even though they technically could have done it, as he has shown and the government has backed up. People feel aggrieved by it.
Not to mention the reckless driving when he potentially couldnt see...like it's an acceptable excuse.
In reply to Post #1216
I never said he broke any "rules". You don't understand the meaning of the word ambiguity i take it.
The guy asked if there was a government statement on night fishing. Which there isn't. Nowhere in the "rules" does it say if you and your wife are suffering from COVID-19 symptoms and have children of a certain age. Live and work in London but have family anywhere in the country, get in your car and go and stay there.
But you can and could. So again, if you are struggling with interpretation of the "rules" use it to suit what you want to do cause it's legal to. Ambiguity.
I never said he broke any "rules". You don't understand the meaning of the word ambiguity i take it.
The guy asked if there was a government statement on night fishing. Which there isn't. Nowhere in the "rules" does it say if you and your wife are suffering from COVID-19 symptoms and have children of a certain age. Live and work in London but have family anywhere in the country, get in your car and go and stay there.
But you can and could. So again, if you are struggling with interpretation of the "rules" use it to suit what you want to do cause it's legal to. Ambiguity.
In reply to Post #1221
Open to more than one interpretation, fisheries and and anglers have certainly accepted what they have been told by a third party that has no authority. Forget the must return home no campsites to open no camping blah blah blah who cares anyway.
Open to more than one interpretation, fisheries and and anglers have certainly accepted what they have been told by a third party that has no authority. Forget the must return home no campsites to open no camping blah blah blah who cares anyway.
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