What's people view on the price of the new rods out from Korda . £150 up to £395
In reply to Post #1
They will sell by the bucket load
They will sell by the bucket load
In reply to Post #3
Yeah I recon they will sell well
Yeah I recon they will sell well
In reply to Post #1
I thought all of the range were >£350?
I couldn't spend that on a new rod from an untested brand in that area (although acknowledge Guru make decent rods). I'd be worried whether there are going to be spares available in a few years? Will they actually be any good? Etc.
They are in the same price bracket as Harrison's, Century and top end FreeSpirit but without any of the experience and reputation associated with these brands.
Also, despite getting rave reviews on social media, I think the advert for them is utter crap. Puts me off the rods tbh as it all seems a bit naff and tacky.
I thought all of the range were >£350?
I couldn't spend that on a new rod from an untested brand in that area (although acknowledge Guru make decent rods). I'd be worried whether there are going to be spares available in a few years? Will they actually be any good? Etc.
They are in the same price bracket as Harrison's, Century and top end FreeSpirit but without any of the experience and reputation associated with these brands.
Also, despite getting rave reviews on social media, I think the advert for them is utter crap. Puts me off the rods tbh as it all seems a bit naff and tacky.
In reply to Post #1
Look crap & cost too much, so will be very popular with the sheep. Wouldn't give Fairbrass the time of day, so certainly wouldn't give him over a grand for a set of rods. Especially ones that will be as stiff as a scaffolding pole.
Look crap & cost too much, so will be very popular with the sheep. Wouldn't give Fairbrass the time of day, so certainly wouldn't give him over a grand for a set of rods. Especially ones that will be as stiff as a scaffolding pole.
In reply to Post #5
Agree with you on the advert. With their following all that effort is a waste. It won't sell them any more rods. They could have just stuck a picture up of the butt cap and it would have had the same response of “all hail korda”.
Be interesting to see actual reviews of the rods once people get them. Can imagine Danny and co have been very selective over them but who knows.
Agree with you on the advert. With their following all that effort is a waste. It won't sell them any more rods. They could have just stuck a picture up of the butt cap and it would have had the same response of “all hail korda”.
Be interesting to see actual reviews of the rods once people get them. Can imagine Danny and co have been very selective over them but who knows.
In reply to Post #5
I wonder who is making the blanks for them, but almost certainly Daiwa
I wonder who is making the blanks for them, but almost certainly Daiwa
In reply to Post #8
There was a thread on it a couple of months ago; I found out that Ka'izen is a brand based in Japan. I don't know if they are big enough to be blank manufacturers themselves although they do do rods under their own name.
There was a thread on it a couple of months ago; I found out that Ka'izen is a brand based in Japan. I don't know if they are big enough to be blank manufacturers themselves although they do do rods under their own name.
I think the Burt Kwouk advert will put a few off.
The blanks look very thick, I assume they will be fantastic, because as a aesthetics point of view i thought everyone wanted thin blanks?. I've no doubt they will be great, and sell tonnes though.
The blanks look very thick, I assume they will be fantastic, because as a aesthetics point of view i thought everyone wanted thin blanks?. I've no doubt they will be great, and sell tonnes though.
In reply to Post #1
I'll stick with my Centrys thanks,could be a good time to keep the eye out on the second hand market for some people they may pick up some bargains
I'll stick with my Centrys thanks,could be a good time to keep the eye out on the second hand market for some people they may pick up some bargains
In reply to Post #6
Crikey!!
Why so much hate? Korda have done more for Carp Fishing than any other brand full stop.
Also how do you know what they are like?
Crikey!!
Why so much hate? Korda have done more for Carp Fishing than any other brand full stop.
Also how do you know what they are like?
In reply to Post #12
Lead dropping ,this practice will come back and bite us all..
I well remember Dot Beeson or Beeston, and her campaign against lead shot years ago..and that didn't end well..
So yes ,Korda to some people have done the Embryo.,lutra protects thing .however the lead dropping has nullified that ,sadly....
So I take a little issue that they have done a lot for carp fishing and the corporate ,monetary machine it now has become..
As for the rods,they will sell lots and lots..
Lead dropping ,this practice will come back and bite us all..
I well remember Dot Beeson or Beeston, and her campaign against lead shot years ago..and that didn't end well..
So yes ,Korda to some people have done the Embryo.,lutra protects thing .however the lead dropping has nullified that ,sadly....
So I take a little issue that they have done a lot for carp fishing and the corporate ,monetary machine it now has become..
As for the rods,they will sell lots and lots..
In reply to Post #12
Agree ridiculous comment!
Agree ridiculous comment!
In reply to Post #12
Not hatred, just don't like the geezer. And I've just taken an educated guess at what the rods will be like, don't think my description will be a million miles of the mark.
Not hatred, just don't like the geezer. And I've just taken an educated guess at what the rods will be like, don't think my description will be a million miles of the mark.
Fox just bringing out new rods. " Best they've ever made". Coincidence?
In reply to Post #12
You poor lad they have really done the trick with you haven't they? Best pop you back in your pen until your wolly coat is sheared.
You poor lad they have really done the trick with you haven't they? Best pop you back in your pen until your wolly coat is sheared.
As i stated on the other korda rod thread I got a set off someone who has been testing/using them .I was sent them to change all guides some were broke a few bent .Changed for kigans , took them for a fling on the loch .They would make good runner bean supports.
In reply to Post #17
They did do the underwater stuff first. Think that opened a lot of eyes. That first one on horseshoe probably triggered so much in the industry let alone for the individual angler, on the basis that it showed that your rigs aren't as efficient as you think and you need to do more.
Don't see any other companies setting up a not for profit to help with predation either. Albeit not as actively helping others as they were initially.
Disclaimer before I'm branded a fan boy: I don't rate anything korda, think I only own a 18 year old rig box and a krusha which rarely gets used.
They did do the underwater stuff first. Think that opened a lot of eyes. That first one on horseshoe probably triggered so much in the industry let alone for the individual angler, on the basis that it showed that your rigs aren't as efficient as you think and you need to do more.
Don't see any other companies setting up a not for profit to help with predation either. Albeit not as actively helping others as they were initially.
Disclaimer before I'm branded a fan boy: I don't rate anything korda, think I only own a 18 year old rig box and a krusha which rarely gets used.
In reply to Post #19
I think that's was mark Bryant and cash Farnan with lifting the lid before Korda
I think that's was mark Bryant and cash Farnan with lifting the lid before Korda
In reply to Post #20
Don't know. I never saw any underwater footage before korda released theirs in 2007. Not in that format and made for and available for the masses.
Don't know. I never saw any underwater footage before korda released theirs in 2007. Not in that format and made for and available for the masses.
In reply to Post #21
I can't remember either lol
There's was the first I knew about
I can't remember either lol
There's was the first I knew about
In reply to Post #19
I think Korda did their underwater videos at Horseshoe several years before Mark et al did theirs at Hardwick ...
I think Korda did their underwater videos at Horseshoe several years before Mark et al did theirs at Hardwick ...
In reply to Post #12
Korda done more for carp fishing?? Don't make me laugh, Korda does what's good for Korda.
Danny Barearse didn't tour Essex lakes flogging leads for his health, he did it for money, everything they do they do for money, when you have enough only then can you give a bit back..........its a great tax break.
Korda done more for carp fishing?? Don't make me laugh, Korda does what's good for Korda.
Danny Barearse didn't tour Essex lakes flogging leads for his health, he did it for money, everything they do they do for money, when you have enough only then can you give a bit back..........its a great tax break.
In reply to Post #12
Korda have done more for Carp Fishing in the sense that they have helped increase user participation, which in turn drives up prices and greed. Every time you cannot get on a water, waiting lists are 5+ years, or you're paying more than double what a 24hr ticket costed 20 years ago, you have the glorified salesmen to thank for that. Korda are not solely to blame though.
There's also the little known fact he tried to financially destroy someone for drug use accusations then finally admitted himself he uses/used cocaine.
Korda have done more for Carp Fishing in the sense that they have helped increase user participation, which in turn drives up prices and greed. Every time you cannot get on a water, waiting lists are 5+ years, or you're paying more than double what a 24hr ticket costed 20 years ago, you have the glorified salesmen to thank for that. Korda are not solely to blame though.
There's also the little known fact he tried to financially destroy someone for drug use accusations then finally admitted himself he uses/used cocaine.
In reply to Post #1
350 to 400 for a rod you could buy a decent set of 3 for not much more
Anyway most people don't cast anymore so what the point 😉🤣🎣
350 to 400 for a rod you could buy a decent set of 3 for not much more
Anyway most people don't cast anymore so what the point 😉🤣🎣
In reply to Post #26
People don't cast anymore ? Really, non of the waters I've fished on the last fourth years allow bait boats and some are now banning bait poles.
People don't cast anymore ? Really, non of the waters I've fished on the last fourth years allow bait boats and some are now banning bait poles.
In reply to Post #1
They'll sell loads. Any successful company will generate lots of haters, that's just how life is.
What always confuses me more is why people care so much to spend their time trolling and posting about how crap said company is. It's the same with Ali Hamidi, certain people commenting on virtually all his social media posts slagging off his products. Why would it bother someone so much that they actually waste part of their lives getting wound up about someone trying to make a living? 
They'll sell loads. Any successful company will generate lots of haters, that's just how life is.
What always confuses me more is why people care so much to spend their time trolling and posting about how crap said company is. It's the same with Ali Hamidi, certain people commenting on virtually all his social media posts slagging off his products. Why would it bother someone so much that they actually waste part of their lives getting wound up about someone trying to make a living?
In reply to Post #28
Because its the internet, isn't it.
Also see Indian Cricket Fans 😂
Because its the internet, isn't it.
Also see Indian Cricket Fans 😂
I'm not going to be getting there new rods or new landing net
I can't bring myself to spend £250 on a landing net. I use a ngt net 42inch
Think it was £35 dose what I need it to. I don't drive a super car .I drive a Ford
It dose the job . I'd like a super car ..but can't afford one .
I think korda have done loads and created a massive brand and fair play to them
Just like any other company there not doing it for free .
Korda are doing loads to invest in the future of fishing.
An I think good on them
I can't bring myself to spend £250 on a landing net. I use a ngt net 42inch
Think it was £35 dose what I need it to. I don't drive a super car .I drive a Ford
It dose the job . I'd like a super car ..but can't afford one .
I think korda have done loads and created a massive brand and fair play to them
Just like any other company there not doing it for free .
Korda are doing loads to invest in the future of fishing.
An I think good on them
I'll be honest I don't see the problem with expensive rods IF they are worth it problem I see here is they are going into the bracket of century, Harrison and free spirit at that price I no I'd most likely have any of them first for now, that's the most important thing “for now” they might end up being brilliant and most people love them only time will tell.
A friend on my syndicate has ordered some so I'm sure I'll see what they are like soon enough, I've ordered some custom aviators which are what I've wanted for a very long time so doubt I'll end up buying any but you never no
A friend on my syndicate has ordered some so I'm sure I'll see what they are like soon enough, I've ordered some custom aviators which are what I've wanted for a very long time so doubt I'll end up buying any but you never no
In reply to Post #9
Kaizen is the Japanese for Improvement and usually refers to continuous improvement in manufacturing... They got the name from this i have been told.
I've had a few casts with the top end distance version of the rods and it was a absolute tool for casting that's for sure felt ok, but obviously no chance it play a fish so cant see it the sacrifice in action is worth the ease of distance.
For me as soon as i saw fuji reel seats i was out (not that i needed any rods)- a top end rod should have better imo
Kaizen is the Japanese for Improvement and usually refers to continuous improvement in manufacturing... They got the name from this i have been told.
I've had a few casts with the top end distance version of the rods and it was a absolute tool for casting that's for sure felt ok, but obviously no chance it play a fish so cant see it the sacrifice in action is worth the ease of distance.
For me as soon as i saw fuji reel seats i was out (not that i needed any rods)- a top end rod should have better imo
The best thing I ever did was to try my hardest to buy things from companies that specialise in making whatever it was I was interested in buying. The old phrase "jack of old trades, master of none" is perfectly suited for a lot of these tackle companies. You can buy custom made fishing rods to your requirements for cheaper than these.
In reply to Post #33
I agree,they will bring a new model out within 18 months that's got the latest carbon technology.Thats fine as its a business and have to make money,its just spares for these rods will no longer be available
I agree,they will bring a new model out within 18 months that's got the latest carbon technology.Thats fine as its a business and have to make money,its just spares for these rods will no longer be available
In reply to Post #34
Yes it generally the best way even my stove and cooking stuff
Is specialist. Not fishing branded. Better quality for the same price.
Yes it generally the best way even my stove and cooking stuff
Is specialist. Not fishing branded. Better quality for the same price.
In reply to Post #33
Global economy now and very few companies design and manufacture a product from scratch to to the complete product ready for sale or distribution.
Global economy now and very few companies design and manufacture a product from scratch to to the complete product ready for sale or distribution.
In reply to Post #32
It'll be Genchi Genbutsu model next next. Or the omotenashi bivvy. Gets delivered just in time...
It'll be Genchi Genbutsu model next next. Or the omotenashi bivvy. Gets delivered just in time...
Cost me under £300 each, customed to my spec on a freespirit blanc and a dream to use. Do your own thing, endless possibilities. 
In reply to Post #37
Or the onanismo........ I'll get my coat
Or the onanismo........ I'll get my coat
Im not the biggest fan of Korda one way or other but they did drag carp fishing out of the dark ages in terms of marketing/retailing. You only have to see how the likes of Nash/Fox etc have followed them in this respect. They were/are very much a right time and right place company when they started and have gone strength to strength.
I dont like their chavvy/shouty marketing strategy personally but fair play to them all on their success. Ive listened to a few of their podcasts when they have had the likes of Fairbrass, Spooner, Dovey, Damo as guests and they all come across pretty likeable to me.
Would i buy these Korda rods? .... Absolutely not!! ... , but not because of price ... but because im not that big enough fan of the brand. Plenty of people ARE big fans though and Im sure will happily part with the money needed to buy them. If ESP bring out some Alcolytes in carp rod form at top end money then I would definitely consider buying them ... regardless of the custom made rods options available from anyone else.
I dont like their chavvy/shouty marketing strategy personally but fair play to them all on their success. Ive listened to a few of their podcasts when they have had the likes of Fairbrass, Spooner, Dovey, Damo as guests and they all come across pretty likeable to me.
Would i buy these Korda rods? .... Absolutely not!! ... , but not because of price ... but because im not that big enough fan of the brand. Plenty of people ARE big fans though and Im sure will happily part with the money needed to buy them. If ESP bring out some Alcolytes in carp rod form at top end money then I would definitely consider buying them ... regardless of the custom made rods options available from anyone else.
In reply to Post #37
In genuinely surprised no one has gone down the poke Yoke route yet with tackle box design.
In genuinely surprised no one has gone down the poke Yoke route yet with tackle box design.
In one of the gigantica videos, Tom stokes snapped one of these rods on the cast, I'm surprised they included it in the episode to be fair, and I've seen frank warwick years ago blow up a few free spirits during testing so I know it can happen and I'm not knocking Korda as I do have some of there end tackle in my tackle box, but as for hardware I wouldn't buy one of them tank aerial rods let alone a full set, with the test curves stated and the big ringing set and obviously the price, they just sound over gunned to me, I would love to compare one to one of my Kev baines snipers (£260 per rod when I bought mine) just to see how much more rod I would get from Korda for the extra money
In reply to Post #42
I'm supposed at how low the fishing distances they quoted for each rod were. I'm sure he suggested the 12ft 4lb rod for fishing up to 130 yards? I get there is a difference between a bare lead and a rig, and max distance and effective fishing range etc. But would you really want a pokey 4lb test curve for fishing 130?
Maybe I've missed it, but why haven't we seen Terry or even Darrell put a rig 200 with one of these yet?
I'm supposed at how low the fishing distances they quoted for each rod were. I'm sure he suggested the 12ft 4lb rod for fishing up to 130 yards? I get there is a difference between a bare lead and a rig, and max distance and effective fishing range etc. But would you really want a pokey 4lb test curve for fishing 130?
Maybe I've missed it, but why haven't we seen Terry or even Darrell put a rig 200 with one of these yet?
When it came to getting Korda leads in Tackle shops, Danny Fairbrass got off his backside and did it himself, visiting goodness knows how many shops in the south of the country.
I know it was the reason the shop I was working in took on Korda leads and the first products, seeing things first hand and a decent work ethic.
However the advertorial and Ali Hamidi marketing put me off.
Still, it's a rare tackle shop that now doesn't have Korda leads, lead clips etc, although there are a few.
It is difficult coming into a market with a new product on a 'flooded' range, some brands manage it successfully, others struggle. Look at Solar bedchairs and bivvies, successful, with mixed price points. Economy, budget and top range.
I have a feeling Kaizen rods may get the Korda followers but struggle after, there are many top range price point rods from various other brands; Daiwa, Century, Harrison, Fox, Greys, ESP and others with a more solid rod heritage.
I know it was the reason the shop I was working in took on Korda leads and the first products, seeing things first hand and a decent work ethic.
However the advertorial and Ali Hamidi marketing put me off.
Still, it's a rare tackle shop that now doesn't have Korda leads, lead clips etc, although there are a few.
It is difficult coming into a market with a new product on a 'flooded' range, some brands manage it successfully, others struggle. Look at Solar bedchairs and bivvies, successful, with mixed price points. Economy, budget and top range.
I have a feeling Kaizen rods may get the Korda followers but struggle after, there are many top range price point rods from various other brands; Daiwa, Century, Harrison, Fox, Greys, ESP and others with a more solid rod heritage.
In reply to Post #44
I remember danny coming into a leigh on sea shop selling his leads from a bucket and the owner cliff at the time telling him he didn't think there was much milage in the idea
I remember danny coming into a leigh on sea shop selling his leads from a bucket and the owner cliff at the time telling him he didn't think there was much milage in the idea
In reply to Post #43
I think Darrell did a instagram video for carpfix doing a big chuck with one of them at Lake Bled.
Ive seen Terry do one in the flesh.... but that Terry not us mere mortals
I think Darrell did a instagram video for carpfix doing a big chuck with one of them at Lake Bled.
Ive seen Terry do one in the flesh.... but that Terry not us mere mortals
In reply to Post #46
Tel put a 9ft scope 170 so I'm sure with one of the 13ft ones he could fish lake bled from s****horpe
Tel put a 9ft scope 170 so I'm sure with one of the 13ft ones he could fish lake bled from s****horpe
In reply to Post #45
I bought some off him out the bucket when I was on small grange. still got them somewhere.i coated them myself with white and black fleck coating.
I bought some off him out the bucket when I was on small grange. still got them somewhere.i coated them myself with white and black fleck coating.
In reply to Post #48
Its an incredible success story, dare i say quite inspirational too from such small beginnings
Its an incredible success story, dare i say quite inspirational too from such small beginnings
In reply to Post #49
These rods look proper cheap and cheerful to me, no way they justify the price, they have a nasty reel seat for starters.
Side by side with a £60 Fox Horizon I think it was you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference apart from a few cosmetics.
Not even a whipped on line clip.
I didn't like them at all. Sorry lol
These rods look proper cheap and cheerful to me, no way they justify the price, they have a nasty reel seat for starters.
Side by side with a £60 Fox Horizon I think it was you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference apart from a few cosmetics.
Not even a whipped on line clip.
I didn't like them at all. Sorry lol
In reply to Post #50
Surely the quality of the blank is the important thing, not whether they look like a cheap rod?
Surely the quality of the blank is the important thing, not whether they look like a cheap rod?
In reply to Post #50
One of the Funniest comments I've read for a while
One of the Funniest comments I've read for a while
In reply to Post #50
What's wrong with a Fuji reel seat?
What's wrong with a Fuji reel seat?
In reply to Post #50
Looking forward to getting a set of the 4lb beasts
Looking forward to getting a set of the 4lb beasts
In reply to Post #50
Yeah fitting a reel seat from the most proven company you see as a mistake. Well let me tell you i have never had a fuji reel seat fail on all the rods i have built sold or used !!
Yeah fitting a reel seat from the most proven company you see as a mistake. Well let me tell you i have never had a fuji reel seat fail on all the rods i have built sold or used !!
In reply to Post #55
I think some people see the alps seats as a sign of quality these days...
I think some people see the alps seats as a sign of quality these days...
In reply to Post #56
Poor deluded fools
Poor deluded fools
Fuji reels seats aren't shiny enough though, Jeff. Come on, get with the times!
In reply to Post #50
Clearly what a tackle item looks like is more important to you than how it performs.
I'd never get a set of rods with the new fashionable Metal Or Shaped Reel Seats, the Fuji DPS Seat is reliable, does what it's supposed to and looks good.
Clearly what a tackle item looks like is more important to you than how it performs.
I'd never get a set of rods with the new fashionable Metal Or Shaped Reel Seats, the Fuji DPS Seat is reliable, does what it's supposed to and looks good.
In reply to Post #59
to be fair ... Korda know their market and I dont think these are targetted at the "serious" angler. The reality is, the target purchaser who would buy a Korda rod .... aesthetics would be very high up ... perhaps only second to the brand name (Brand name is everything!) .... many wouldnt know the difference or benefits of the quality of different fittings but would happily pay the premium for the brand name.
to be fair ... Korda know their market and I dont think these are targetted at the "serious" angler. The reality is, the target purchaser who would buy a Korda rod .... aesthetics would be very high up ... perhaps only second to the brand name (Brand name is everything!) .... many wouldnt know the difference or benefits of the quality of different fittings but would happily pay the premium for the brand name.
In reply to Post #60
Clearly I've learnt nothing in my over half a century of fishing then.
Obviously they'll have their fans and yes, most of my rods have Fuji seats, I don't own any with blingy chrome so knock the sarcastic piss taking on the head, you have no idea on what floats my boat on a personal level.
And yes, what's wrong with having a rod that ls aesthetically pleasing to the eye as well as being functional, it's not exactly hard to achieve or indeed add a line clip for a couple of quid!! I'm confident that there'd be a lot of custom rod builders
out of business if that wasn't a requirement.
Personally, I'd rather spend my money on a custom built Harrison but you guys who like them are welcome to your opinion as I am mine. All I'm seeing is a naked emperor which will no doubt be marketed very well. .
Out of interest, what's the blank then? Apologies if I've missed this bit of information?
Made in China or elsewhere?
Sea Guide rings £20
Fuji seat £5
Shrink tube £5
Probably knocked up for less than £100 and outed for £400 odd. Righto.
There's a reason why these big tackle companies can lash out gazzilions of pounds on consultants, marketing and their owners are millionaires., it's cause we're getting mugged off.
I'm not a Korda basher, I've plenty of odds and sods from them, it's just I can't see the value in these but hey, it's your money, crack on and enjoy 😉
Clearly I've learnt nothing in my over half a century of fishing then.
Obviously they'll have their fans and yes, most of my rods have Fuji seats, I don't own any with blingy chrome so knock the sarcastic piss taking on the head, you have no idea on what floats my boat on a personal level.
And yes, what's wrong with having a rod that ls aesthetically pleasing to the eye as well as being functional, it's not exactly hard to achieve or indeed add a line clip for a couple of quid!! I'm confident that there'd be a lot of custom rod builders
out of business if that wasn't a requirement.
Personally, I'd rather spend my money on a custom built Harrison but you guys who like them are welcome to your opinion as I am mine. All I'm seeing is a naked emperor which will no doubt be marketed very well. .
Out of interest, what's the blank then? Apologies if I've missed this bit of information?
Made in China or elsewhere?
Sea Guide rings £20
Fuji seat £5
Shrink tube £5
Probably knocked up for less than £100 and outed for £400 odd. Righto.
There's a reason why these big tackle companies can lash out gazzilions of pounds on consultants, marketing and their owners are millionaires., it's cause we're getting mugged off.
I'm not a Korda basher, I've plenty of odds and sods from them, it's just I can't see the value in these but hey, it's your money, crack on and enjoy 😉
In reply to Post #61
yet, clearly you havent quite learnt that a rod from the likes of Korda isnt targetted at you (or me) as a purchaser ..... they are allowed to do that!
yet, clearly you havent quite learnt that a rod from the likes of Korda isnt targetted at you (or me) as a purchaser ..... they are allowed to do that!
In reply to Post #61
If Fuji seats are nasty and Alps seats are too blingy what would you suggest they use on these rods?
If Fuji seats are nasty and Alps seats are too blingy what would you suggest they use on these rods?
In reply to Post #61
Not many on here who know about rod blanks and rods do like them . If you look at earlier posts i have stated the guides are crap i can get a set for less than you stated. For 95% of my builds and 100% of my fishing i only use Harrison blanks so that tells you what i also think about them. I would though have a fuji reel seat above any other.Like i said earlier the korda rods make excellent runner bean supports.
Not many on here who know about rod blanks and rods do like them . If you look at earlier posts i have stated the guides are crap i can get a set for less than you stated. For 95% of my builds and 100% of my fishing i only use Harrison blanks so that tells you what i also think about them. I would though have a fuji reel seat above any other.Like i said earlier the korda rods make excellent runner bean supports.
In reply to Post #61
I've been thinking this for years. I would love to know the actual cost of items which are then sold to us at massive fees and if the tackle is that much to make why can they give it for free to so many people
I've been thinking this for years. I would love to know the actual cost of items which are then sold to us at massive fees and if the tackle is that much to make why can they give it for free to so many people
In reply to Post #65
My tackle shop stated they are Daiwa blanks made in Scotland
My tackle shop stated they are Daiwa blanks made in Scotland
In reply to Post #63
I've learnt that the forum seems to be full of patronising experts these days who's petty and unfunny attempts to belittle anything they disagree with is getting boring very quickly now.
Anything Korda/Nash/Bait orientated seems to end up like this.
As for an alternative reel seat, well, I don't have to choose one. Firstly, I wasn't the person value engineering this rod to extract every last penny profit from it, and secondly, I wouldn't spend £400 on a mass produced product that I don't like the look of, same as I wouldn't but a Tesla car, they might be the greatest electric vehicle ever produced but they look *****, to me.
FWIW, I've an Andrew Davis Carpathia and you could buy 4 of those Korda broom handles for the cost of one of these, but I know which one I'll still be lusting after and still using in 10 years and which ones will be on ebay for peanuts.
One is an S Class Mercedes and the other is a Kia
I've learnt that the forum seems to be full of patronising experts these days who's petty and unfunny attempts to belittle anything they disagree with is getting boring very quickly now.
Anything Korda/Nash/Bait orientated seems to end up like this.
As for an alternative reel seat, well, I don't have to choose one. Firstly, I wasn't the person value engineering this rod to extract every last penny profit from it, and secondly, I wouldn't spend £400 on a mass produced product that I don't like the look of, same as I wouldn't but a Tesla car, they might be the greatest electric vehicle ever produced but they look *****, to me.
FWIW, I've an Andrew Davis Carpathia and you could buy 4 of those Korda broom handles for the cost of one of these, but I know which one I'll still be lusting after and still using in 10 years and which ones will be on ebay for peanuts.
One is an S Class Mercedes and the other is a Kia
In reply to Post #62
Not sure how you've reached that conclusion?
I wouldn't have ruled myself out of buying a Korda rod if it ticked the boxes it need to tick when and if I was in the market for a certain type of rod, this one doesn't tick any of those boxes, the next incarnation might though.....actually, no, it probably won't.
Not sure how you've reached that conclusion?
I wouldn't have ruled myself out of buying a Korda rod if it ticked the boxes it need to tick when and if I was in the market for a certain type of rod, this one doesn't tick any of those boxes, the next incarnation might though.....actually, no, it probably won't.
In reply to Post #65
If you're buying a product say from China work it backwards, take off VAT, duty, transport costs, profit for manufacturer, wholesaler, retailer.
If Korum or others can retail a pretty decent rod for £50 then they're knocking them out in China for less than a tenner. You're not getting them for a tenner unless you buy a container load of gear though and have all the associated hassle and the gamble that you're not actually buying from Chen-Yang tackle company but Mrs Wongs knitting shop, trust me, half of them are crooks. I speak from experience.
If you're buying a product say from China work it backwards, take off VAT, duty, transport costs, profit for manufacturer, wholesaler, retailer.
If Korum or others can retail a pretty decent rod for £50 then they're knocking them out in China for less than a tenner. You're not getting them for a tenner unless you buy a container load of gear though and have all the associated hassle and the gamble that you're not actually buying from Chen-Yang tackle company but Mrs Wongs knitting shop, trust me, half of them are crooks. I speak from experience.
In reply to Post #66
That's good, I asked Spooner and he wouldn't confirm or deny the daiwa connection for some reason.
That's good, I asked Spooner and he wouldn't confirm or deny the daiwa connection for some reason.
In reply to Post #70
Some kind of connection with Daiwa would be understandable given DF's previous dealings, so this would be an entirely believable rumour and would probably keep a lot of punters happy (Ish).
By the same token, they're hardly likely to tell you if they're being knocked up in a back street sweatshop lol.
Some kind of connection with Daiwa would be understandable given DF's previous dealings, so this would be an entirely believable rumour and would probably keep a lot of punters happy (Ish).
By the same token, they're hardly likely to tell you if they're being knocked up in a back street sweatshop lol.
In reply to Post #50
I can't see how you can say they don't justify the price when all you've done is have a look at one.
Isn't the best test of a product in its actual use?
For all you know they could be the best casting rods available with a playing action to die for...
The new Fox X6 Ti rods are actually more expensive than these but literally don't get a mention because Korda have sent a “disrupter” into the market... absolute genius strategy.
I can't see how you can say they don't justify the price when all you've done is have a look at one.
Isn't the best test of a product in its actual use?
For all you know they could be the best casting rods available with a playing action to die for...
The new Fox X6 Ti rods are actually more expensive than these but literally don't get a mention because Korda have sent a “disrupter” into the market... absolute genius strategy.
In reply to Post #64
Fuji Reel seats for me as well.
The ALPS seats felt horrible when I played with rods with them on, and I have heard of a few horror stories where the fixed non give of the seat caused the blank to break on the top of the seat.
Fuji Reel seats for me as well.
The ALPS seats felt horrible when I played with rods with them on, and I have heard of a few horror stories where the fixed non give of the seat caused the blank to break on the top of the seat.
Daiwa in the past have made some quality blanks and rods unfortunately they have,nt covered themselves in glory with any of the df versions.
In reply to Post #71
Christ you're a cynic
Christ you're a cynic
In reply to Post #73
Here we go again,the Alps reel seat myth.My mates grandads uncles dad said he knew someone who had one break
Here we go again,the Alps reel seat myth.My mates grandads uncles dad said he knew someone who had one break
In reply to Post #76
It is true with rods fitted with metal alps reel seats have snapped above the reel seat I spoke to Gary who runs the rod building at the tackle box and they have had rods in that have snapped above the reel seat with them rods fitted with metal alps reel seats . He said they advise against having them fitted on rods if their used for distance fishing
It is true with rods fitted with metal alps reel seats have snapped above the reel seat I spoke to Gary who runs the rod building at the tackle box and they have had rods in that have snapped above the reel seat with them rods fitted with metal alps reel seats . He said they advise against having them fitted on rods if their used for distance fishing
In reply to Post #77
I have mentioned the metal alps seats before but I have not heard of one issue regarding the other Alps seats.Century would not fit them,custom rod builders would advise against them and I have not had one issue with any of my rods with them on
I have mentioned the metal alps seats before but I have not heard of one issue regarding the other Alps seats.Century would not fit them,custom rod builders would advise against them and I have not had one issue with any of my rods with them on
In reply to Post #78
Terry Edmonds advises against them
Terry Edmonds advises against them
In reply to Post #77
Very true, to rigid seen many broke.
Very true, to rigid seen many broke.
In reply to Post #79
Nothing wrong with the normal Alps seats,should he advise people not to use Daiwa reels after he destroyed a customers reel.He puts rods through alot more than you or I could ever do
Nothing wrong with the normal Alps seats,should he advise people not to use Daiwa reels after he destroyed a customers reel.He puts rods through alot more than you or I could ever do
In reply to Post #76
It's certainly no myth, I've had the conversation with many rod builders and distance casters over the years when a few of my rods broke in identical places on big casts with Alps fitted. On a distance casting rod stay away from alps.
It's certainly no myth, I've had the conversation with many rod builders and distance casters over the years when a few of my rods broke in identical places on big casts with Alps fitted. On a distance casting rod stay away from alps.
I wouldn't have anything but Fuji reel seats on my rods , can't stand the Alps type seats , they feel awkward in the hand to me
In reply to Post #83
Same people who bend Basia shafts snap their rods using ALPS seats.
Same people who bend Basia shafts snap their rods using ALPS seats.
Just been to my local shop and had a feel of these new rods,I had a feel of a few tc's.They are not the best looking rod I have seen but one thing that stood our was how crazily light they are.
In reply to Post #85
what's ya net like mate?
what's ya net like mate?
In reply to Post #76
Have a look at the small print on Mark Tunley's website. He won't guarantee rods with Alps reel seats against breakages at the seat, nor against the seats coming loose. There's a reason for that clearly.
Have a look at the small print on Mark Tunley's website. He won't guarantee rods with Alps reel seats against breakages at the seat, nor against the seats coming loose. There's a reason for that clearly.
In reply to Post #87
Neither will i
Neither will i
In reply to Post #87
I dont need to,I have my rods built by Kev Clayton and never had one issue at all
I dont need to,I have my rods built by Kev Clayton and never had one issue at all
In reply to Post #86
It is superb,just comparing it side by side to my dymag.The handle is thicker on the korda net but feels lighter and just as rigid,im very impressed but we will see when it has had some use
It is superb,just comparing it side by side to my dymag.The handle is thicker on the korda net but feels lighter and just as rigid,im very impressed but we will see when it has had some use
I can't wait for the thread later in the year about the new Korda bivvy,I will get the popcorn ready
In reply to Post #85
Yes they are very light because the walls are extremely thin , As i said previously i took the set i changed the guides on over on the loch .I did,nt feel comfortable giving them a big chuck.
Yes they are very light because the walls are extremely thin , As i said previously i took the set i changed the guides on over on the loch .I did,nt feel comfortable giving them a big chuck.
In reply to Post #92
Well I'm sure if Terry Edmonds has put them through their paces us mere mortals won't break them.That should be used as a scale of how good a rod is The Edmonds Scale
Well I'm sure if Terry Edmonds has put them through their paces us mere mortals won't break them.That should be used as a scale of how good a rod is The Edmonds Scale
My mothers brothers wife's aunties uncles nephews sons brother had one break as well 🫢
In reply to Post #94
In reply to Post #93
Terry edmonds casting a rod is absolutely no guide to how good a fishing rod is. And talking about hearsay re (alps) im sure you were one of the ones that said dymag were behind these rods and nets ? Not every rod fitted with an alps reel seat fails but more than a few have.
Terry edmonds casting a rod is absolutely no guide to how good a fishing rod is. And talking about hearsay re (alps) im sure you were one of the ones that said dymag were behind these rods and nets ? Not every rod fitted with an alps reel seat fails but more than a few have.
In reply to Post #96
Be interesting to see which Alps seats caused the breakages,I find it odd how Century and Daiwa use them on distance rods if they are that bad
Be interesting to see which Alps seats caused the breakages,I find it odd how Century and Daiwa use them on distance rods if they are that bad
In reply to Post #63
As a rod builder yourself Jeff this is refreshing to hear, Kevin Baynes has retired now but he would only use Fuji seats and guides, also Harrison blanks (sportex blanks earlier on in his builds), tried and trusted components and his saying was “I've never had a rod that I've built come back”, I could tell he was proud of that fact
the same with his kjb rod pods in the 90s
As a rod builder yourself Jeff this is refreshing to hear, Kevin Baynes has retired now but he would only use Fuji seats and guides, also Harrison blanks (sportex blanks earlier on in his builds), tried and trusted components and his saying was “I've never had a rod that I've built come back”, I could tell he was proud of that fact
the same with his kjb rod pods in the 90s
In reply to Post #98
He never had a rod he built go back,really
He never had a rod he built go back,really
In reply to Post #99
Yeah really, and I believed him, the rods he built me 15 years ago still look great, no lacquer peeling off here
Yeah really, and I believed him, the rods he built me 15 years ago still look great, no lacquer peeling off here
In reply to Post #100
In reply to Post #100
He built mine in 1989 and then a full rebuild in 2017. Not that they needed rebuilding, they just looked a bit old fashioned. And I fully expect them to outlive me....
He built mine in 1989 and then a full rebuild in 2017. Not that they needed rebuilding, they just looked a bit old fashioned. And I fully expect them to outlive me....
In reply to Post #98
I spent hours talking with Kev over a few years .It was him that told and taught me how to get the best out of the gem of a blank torrix 2.25 . Kev probably knew more than anyone ive ever known re rod building guide spacing and getting the best out of a blank. Alot of people did,nt get on with kev as like myself he had no time for 50ml hoops etc on a fishing rod. Dave lumb has the same outlook both only built/ build on harrison blanks also. I once saw Kev put a bucket 120yds away get down on one knee and put a two ounce lead straight in it first cast .
I spent hours talking with Kev over a few years .It was him that told and taught me how to get the best out of the gem of a blank torrix 2.25 . Kev probably knew more than anyone ive ever known re rod building guide spacing and getting the best out of a blank. Alot of people did,nt get on with kev as like myself he had no time for 50ml hoops etc on a fishing rod. Dave lumb has the same outlook both only built/ build on harrison blanks also. I once saw Kev put a bucket 120yds away get down on one knee and put a two ounce lead straight in it first cast .
In reply to Post #103
Ah the 2.25 torrix (baby sniper), unbelievable blank yeah Kev was pretty no nonsense and like you say ruffled a few feathers with other builders as he just didn't agree with big ringing on a rod, yes I've also been in the back field and witnessed his casting, the smaller ringing definitely makes for more accuracy, that was the thing with Kev he would explain his theories and then prove them to you, very knowledgeable bloke
Ah the 2.25 torrix (baby sniper), unbelievable blank
yeah Kev was pretty no nonsense and like you say ruffled a few feathers with other builders as he just didn't agree with big ringing on a rod, yes I've also been in the back field and witnessed his casting, the smaller ringing definitely makes for more accuracy, that was the thing with Kev he would explain his theories and then prove them to you, very knowledgeable bloke
In reply to Post #97
Because fashion can dictate what is used.
There is no need for a 50mm butt ring on most carp rods, yet that has become fashion for most companies.
Because fashion can dictate what is used.
There is no need for a 50mm butt ring on most carp rods, yet that has become fashion for most companies.
Cheaper to mass produce as well,less rings and less whipping.
Lol
Tbh I've spoke to a few rod builders recently and I asked about the alps seats causing breakages I was informed by the tackle box and a couple others that the problem seat is the alps waveform seat on long range rods BUT they are fine on short to mid range rods, I really really like the waveform seats and have them on almost all my rods apart from my s lites seeing they are off the shelf builds.
Apparently all other alps seats are fine 🤷♂️ I still ordered my new rods with alps waveform seats lol
I'll back brads up here though I've never had a problem with one upto now, I don't really like Fuji seats either just always feel like they constantly undo and have to re tighten them up all the time
Apparently all other alps seats are fine 🤷♂️ I still ordered my new rods with alps waveform seats lol
I'll back brads up here though I've never had a problem with one upto now, I don't really like Fuji seats either just always feel like they constantly undo and have to re tighten them up all the time
In reply to Post #110
In reply to Post #64
This gives you an idea of how the costs breakdown.
It's an old article now, and it refers to fly rods (where the top end is several times more expensive than a carp rod) but hopefully it shows how cheap the blank can be and how much gets added on by intermediaries.
Steve Parton: Graphite Rods - the true costs
This gives you an idea of how the costs breakdown.
It's an old article now, and it refers to fly rods (where the top end is several times more expensive than a carp rod) but hopefully it shows how cheap the blank can be and how much gets added on by intermediaries.
Steve Parton: Graphite Rods - the true costs
In reply to Post #112
Believe I posted this years ago and while material costs have risen especially the high Tec resins I doubt many carp rod blanks have more £30 in materials. The link below also talks of far east manufacture but high end rods like sage, Scott ,Winston etc are all hand made in America.
https://www.sexyloops.com/sparton/graphiterods.shtml
Believe I posted this years ago and while material costs have risen especially the high Tec resins I doubt many carp rod blanks have more £30 in materials. The link below also talks of far east manufacture but high end rods like sage, Scott ,Winston etc are all hand made in America.
https://www.sexyloops.com/sparton/graphiterods.shtml
Just had a look at them in the local tackle shop. They're very light but they look like spod rods - really chunky blank. It's obvious what they're doing with them; minimal, understated looks to appeal to a specific customer base. If it were me, with that much to drop on a rod, it wouldn't be on these.
What's the 3lb TC one like?
In reply to Post #114
Thin blanks area fashion thing - look at beach rods, all thick blanks but thin walls and lightweight. They get more hammering than a carp rod does.
Thin blanks area fashion thing - look at beach rods, all thick blanks but thin walls and lightweight. They get more hammering than a carp rod does.
In reply to Post #116
Nobuo Nodera designer of the original infinity X ld always preferred a thicker blank with thinner walls.
Nobuo Nodera designer of the original infinity X ld always preferred a thicker blank with thinner walls.
In reply to Post #117
I know a few women who think the same
I know a few women who think the same
In reply to Post #113
TBF he starts off by referencing Harrison and Norwich and then says “ In the UK any manufacturer can knock out excellent 2 piece 10' blanks for £15:00p at base cost.”.
But, you're right he is talking about offshore production for most of the article.
TBF he starts off by referencing Harrison and Norwich and then says “ In the UK any manufacturer can knock out excellent 2 piece 10' blanks for £15:00p at base cost.”.
But, you're right he is talking about offshore production for most of the article.
In reply to Post #119
The likes of Harrison,century ect have also put in thousands of man hours designing and developing the tapers, testing new carbon clothe and resins ,building a knowledge database to achieve the product they want then of course someone looking for a quick return takes a rod to China and it's scanned and measured and reproduced at a fraction of the cost. Having said that I believe many businesses are are now move out of China due to rising costs and looking to cheaper places to manufacture.
The likes of Harrison,century ect have also put in thousands of man hours designing and developing the tapers, testing new carbon clothe and resins ,building a knowledge database to achieve the product they want then of course someone looking for a quick return takes a rod to China and it's scanned and measured and reproduced at a fraction of the cost. Having said that I believe many businesses are are now move out of China due to rising costs and looking to cheaper places to manufacture.
This may kick the earth off its axis but...
In the new Thinking Tackle has Spooner got a different “new” set of Korda Rods? They appear to have Kaptor written on them.
In the new Thinking Tackle has Spooner got a different “new” set of Korda Rods? They appear to have Kaptor written on them.
In reply to Post #121
I noticed that. Possibly early test samples
I noticed that. Possibly early test samples
In reply to Post #122
Could be cheaper entry level rods
Could be cheaper entry level rods
In reply to Post #123
Or maybe they only work with their hooks.
Or maybe they only work with their hooks.
In reply to Post #122
I read a comment on Darrells FB page saying they are releasing a more budget friendly optional. Probably still over £150
I read a comment on Darrells FB page saying they are releasing a more budget friendly optional. Probably still over £150
In reply to Post #122
Spooner replied to a comment on YouTube saying exactly this
Spooner replied to a comment on YouTube saying exactly this
In reply to Post #110
The problem with Alps comes on distance casting blanks which usually have a larger diameter but section this makes total sense too if you think about it logically.
The blank is built up with tape so for example if you have say a thin 3.25lb 12ft rod and you require 2/3mm of tape to make the 18mm diameter seat fit snug thats a 2/3mm void the blank can flex in. If you get a 13ft 3.75lb rod and maybe you got 0.5mm of tape thats not alot of space for the butt section to flex inside a 6 inch long rigid Aluminium seat that doesnt want to bend
I have had this conversation with a few rod builders and one tournament caster and he knows of a few century rods that have blew just infront of the alps seats which makes sense. But most people who have alps with these powerful rods will never compress a rod to a large enough extent for it to become a problem anyway.
The problem with Alps comes on distance casting blanks which usually have a larger diameter but section this makes total sense too if you think about it logically.
The blank is built up with tape so for example if you have say a thin 3.25lb 12ft rod and you require 2/3mm of tape to make the 18mm diameter seat fit snug thats a 2/3mm void the blank can flex in. If you get a 13ft 3.75lb rod and maybe you got 0.5mm of tape thats not alot of space for the butt section to flex inside a 6 inch long rigid Aluminium seat that doesnt want to bend
I have had this conversation with a few rod builders and one tournament caster and he knows of a few century rods that have blew just infront of the alps seats which makes sense. But most people who have alps with these powerful rods will never compress a rod to a large enough extent for it to become a problem anyway.
I dont really like alps seats but have them on my century 2.5 graphenes and they are also on my century graphene spod rod which is a quite thick out and out casting rod and thats had some proper abuse but there all still going strong with no breakages. Im pretty sure my spod rod would of broke by now if there was a problem with the alps seat.
Mind you, the more i see the net the more i like it as i wasnt keen on it at first but the mesh is way to deep for me but they are bringing out a shallow mesh in a few months. No one will ever stick there £250 nice shiny net handle into the lakebed like they say on the video mind, so thats absolute ********.
Mind you, the more i see the net the more i like it as i wasnt keen on it at first but the mesh is way to deep for me but they are bringing out a shallow mesh in a few months. No one will ever stick there £250 nice shiny net handle into the lakebed like they say on the video mind, so thats absolute ********.
In reply to Post #128
Nothing says "social media whore" more than a few nets stuck in the lake margin
Nothing says "social media whore" more than a few nets stuck in the lake margin
In reply to Post #129
I've never really understood it or wanted to do it either lol only way I can see why is if the margins are shallow and you don't have a way of holding the fish safely while getting weighing and camera gear setup
I've never really understood it or wanted to do it either lol only way I can see why is if the margins are shallow and you don't have a way of holding the fish safely while getting weighing and camera gear setup
In reply to Post #130
some places are now banning retainers because of misuse so the idea of holding a fish in landing net for couple of minutes sorting weigh/camera gear out has been a compromise
some places are now banning retainers because of misuse so the idea of holding a fish in landing net for couple of minutes sorting weigh/camera gear out has been a compromise
In reply to Post #131
I get that, and i have always retained fish in a net while I get the kit ready, night or day.
But these beauts have the nets lined up ready for the morning picture, all nice and recovered after a few hours in the net and really frisky and ready to drop and damage the tail.
Utter selfish weps.
I get that, and i have always retained fish in a net while I get the kit ready, night or day.
But these beauts have the nets lined up ready for the morning picture, all nice and recovered after a few hours in the net and really frisky and ready to drop and damage the tail.
Utter selfish weps.
johnson Ross advertising they're doing custom built kaizen rods, so if you're not happy with the cheap reel seat or guides or lack of line clip you can add all the extras with johsnon ross to make them rods just that bit more expensive🙄
In reply to Post #132
Yes i agree with you on those views
Yes i agree with you on those views
In reply to Post #132
Yeah I kind of agree if I'm honest. I appreciate that we all want a photo of our prize in the best light possible, but cameras are so good these days even on phones that a half decent night shot is possible and get the fish back as quickly as possible
Yeah I kind of agree if I'm honest. I appreciate that we all want a photo of our prize in the best light possible, but cameras are so good these days even on phones that a half decent night shot is possible and get the fish back as quickly as possible
In reply to Post #133
😂
😂
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In reply to Post #132
I noticed that in the new thinking tackle they was leaving a few carp in the retainers and nets for hours till day light, every lake I've ever been on would ban you for that
I noticed that in the new thinking tackle they was leaving a few carp in the retainers and nets for hours till day light, every lake I've ever been on would ban you for that
In reply to Post #138
All the social media in last 5 years are trying to make it look that if retainers are banned it is ok to use landing nets... I guess selling nets makes more profit...
All the social media in last 5 years are trying to make it look that if retainers are banned it is ok to use landing nets... I guess selling nets makes more profit...
In reply to Post #139
It will at £250 a pop
It will at £250 a pop
In reply to Post #138
I thought that, I got the impression at least one was caught not far into dark too
I thought that, I got the impression at least one was caught not far into dark too
In reply to Post #138
My club now has a rule that you can't re-cast the rod until after the fish has been returned, so it doesn't matter what you keep the fish in. We are expected to return the fish promptly.
My club now has a rule that you can't re-cast the rod until after the fish has been returned, so it doesn't matter what you keep the fish in. We are expected to return the fish promptly.
In reply to Post #141
Yeah was shocking mate was in it for at least 6/7 hours
Yeah was shocking mate was in it for at least 6/7 hours
In reply to Post #142
I like that rule.
I have recently re-wrote the rules for a local syndicate and added that all fish must be returned within 30 minutes, day or night.
I like that rule.
I have recently re-wrote the rules for a local syndicate and added that all fish must be returned within 30 minutes, day or night.
The fan boys on facebook are out in force and seem to love them. Lots saying the best rods on the market 😀
In reply to Post #145
Everything that comes out is the best thing for now till something else comes out
Everything that comes out is the best thing for now till something else comes out
In reply to Post #146
👍🏻 its just how blinded by social media these people are. 99% probably havent even seen them. I wish i had a time machine to go back to carp fishing of the early 90's when i started out.
👍🏻 its just how blinded by social media these people are. 99% probably havent even seen them. I wish i had a time machine to go back to carp fishing of the early 90's when i started out.
I certainly wouldn't be buying the first lot of rods after the advert pretty much told you there will be a newer better set out after a while "constantly evolving" or something.
That said, I'm half tempted with the landing net, I'm not sure why though. Ive never owned a decent landing net and this is the first one that has peaked my interest.
That said, I'm half tempted with the landing net, I'm not sure why though. Ive never owned a decent landing net and this is the first one that has peaked my interest.
In reply to Post #147
Even better in early 80s when I started in the 80s were tricast rods Nash overwrap on a wavelock brolly shimano sea spin reels and delkim conversions or optonics richworth tutti fruity rod Hutchinson scopex sea food blend lafuma bed army bag monkey climbers
Nash luggage we where so excited my mate turned up with the first proper bed the km bedchair everyone on the lake came to look at it lol
great time
Even better in early 80s when I started in the 80s were tricast rods Nash overwrap on a wavelock brolly shimano sea spin reels and delkim conversions or optonics richworth tutti fruity rod Hutchinson scopex sea food blend lafuma bed army bag monkey climbers
Nash luggage we where so excited my mate turned up with the first proper bed the km bedchair everyone on the lake came to look at it lol
great time
In reply to Post #148
Kaizen literally means continuous improvement. It's a buzzword used in businesses over the last few years.
Kaizen literally means continuous improvement. It's a buzzword used in businesses over the last few years.
In reply to Post #149
i remember seeing the first big pit reel (Biomasters?) ... It made my seaspins look like toys . North Western Rods, Dacron and torches that took multiple massive D size batteries that lasted for about 20mins use before going flat
i remember seeing the first big pit reel (Biomasters?) ... It made my seaspins look like toys
. North Western Rods, Dacron and torches that took multiple massive D size batteries that lasted for about 20mins use before going flat
In reply to Post #151
I couldn't think of more rods of course north Weston's and coniflex is another the rod to have was the Middlesex angling centre rods can't remember what blank they was
Pop ups made in microwave
I couldn't think of more rods of course north Weston's and coniflex is another the rod to have was the Middlesex angling centre rods can't remember what blank they was
Pop ups made in microwave
In reply to Post #148
Or can be much better as later ones as you cant afford bad publicity with first batch, rod breaking etc. But I wouldnt connect that with Korda (more with nash, fox etc) their gear is normally spot on after testing and doesnt get recals etc. but on the other hand they didnt produce such products till now so who knows...
Or can be much better as later ones as you cant afford bad publicity with first batch, rod breaking etc. But I wouldnt connect that with Korda (more with nash, fox etc) their gear is normally spot on after testing and doesnt get recals etc. but on the other hand they didnt produce such products till now so who knows...
In reply to Post #150
Off topic, but it's a bit more than a buzzword of the past few years. History of Kaizen goes back to the 50s in Japan. It then became widespread in the US in the late 80s. It is part of the Lean Six Sigma methodology which for 20 years plus has been the cornerstone of process improvement.
Are we all awake at the back?
Off topic, but it's a bit more than a buzzword of the past few years. History of Kaizen goes back to the 50s in Japan. It then became widespread in the US in the late 80s. It is part of the Lean Six Sigma methodology which for 20 years plus has been the cornerstone of process improvement.
Are we all awake at the back?
A friend showed me the new Korda landing net yesterday. Looked very impressive to me. Reverse taper carbon handle, similar to my CB. Very light. I was really impressed. Expensive, but then quality always is.
How would it not be good? It's designed by Damian Clarke. He's always been a great angler. He may not want to appear on the TV. There might not be anglers queuing up for an hour at carp shows for his signature. But he's always been the real heartbeat at Korda IMO. I've spoken about it many times on here recently... Perception... And reality. Massive things in carp fishing. For so many carp anglers, the public face is the hero. That is only natural.
I've seen it said so many times since Ali & Korda separated, that Korda would go downhill because of it. Pure silliness that is. I am sure Ali will do really well with his new business. He's always been great for marketing carp fishing.
I bet Korda sell tonnes of those nets.
How would it not be good? It's designed by Damian Clarke. He's always been a great angler. He may not want to appear on the TV. There might not be anglers queuing up for an hour at carp shows for his signature. But he's always been the real heartbeat at Korda IMO. I've spoken about it many times on here recently... Perception... And reality. Massive things in carp fishing. For so many carp anglers, the public face is the hero. That is only natural.
I've seen it said so many times since Ali & Korda separated, that Korda would go downhill because of it. Pure silliness that is. I am sure Ali will do really well with his new business. He's always been great for marketing carp fishing.
I bet Korda sell tonnes of those nets.
In reply to Post #155
It's as good as the dymag mk3 I own,I have compared them side by side.The korda is just as light and as rigid but it is easier get in and out of the spreader block
It's as good as the dymag mk3 I own,I have compared them side by side.The korda is just as light and as rigid but it is easier get in and out of the spreader block
In reply to Post #156
I slated it when i saw it at first Tony but after seeing one ive just bought one now i know they are bringing out a shallow net for it as the mesh it comes with is way to deep for me. Still dont like the loo of the kaizen rods mind.
I slated it when i saw it at first Tony but after seeing one ive just bought one now i know they are bringing out a shallow net for it as the mesh it comes with is way to deep for me. Still dont like the loo of the kaizen rods mind.
In reply to Post #157
The rods look very basic but they are ridiculously light,they could of put better rings on them for the money.I can't wait see the bivvy,I can't see what new design they can do but if the rumours are right they have teamed up with two big names to make it
The rods look very basic but they are ridiculously light,they could of put better rings on them for the money.I can't wait see the bivvy,I can't see what new design they can do but if the rumours are right they have teamed up with two big names to make it
In reply to Post #158
Who have they teamed up with?
Who have they teamed up with?
In reply to Post #159
Only rumours but I have heard Jag and Aqua
Only rumours but I have heard Jag and Aqua
is the net carbon like a match pole?? or it is carbon like a rod....for it to be as light as it is and float I'm thinking it's carbon like a match pole/ match landing net pole
In reply to Post #160
Dosent get much better than those two, aqua are not what they used to be mind but ive had zero issues with my fast and light i bought a couple of years ago.
Dosent get much better than those two, aqua are not what they used to be mind but ive had zero issues with my fast and light i bought a couple of years ago.
In reply to Post #161
Not sure it hasnt arrived yet. I presume it floats due to more air being inside the pole due to it being quite thick but i could be wrong.
Not sure it hasnt arrived yet. I presume it floats due to more air being inside the pole due to it being quite thick but i could be wrong.
In reply to Post #162
are aqua and trakker owned by the same people?? surely trakker are not going to be happy as its direct competition with them....if it was Chris manifold and aqua that would be understandable but even then manifolds spawned the idea of the tempest .
are aqua and trakker owned by the same people?? surely trakker are not going to be happy as its direct competition with them....if it was Chris manifold and aqua that would be understandable but even then manifolds spawned the idea of the tempest .
In reply to Post #161
Carbon on net feels like on a rod but it is quite a thick pole,you can remove the spreader block to if you want to use it for anything else
Carbon on net feels like on a rod but it is quite a thick pole,you can remove the spreader block to if you want to use it for anything else
In reply to Post #164
Like I say mate it's only rumours,it could be total bull****
Like I say mate it's only rumours,it could be total bull****
In reply to Post #165
must admit I'm tempted by the net...just not yet as I'm out of work in may
must admit I'm tempted by the net...just not yet as I'm out of work in may
In reply to Post #165
Hope it dosent unscrew easily as that could be a pain when netting a fish if it started loosening and moving from side to side.. I didnt realise it came off.
Hope it dosent unscrew easily as that could be a pain when netting a fish if it started loosening and moving from side to side.. I didnt realise it came off.
In reply to Post #168
No it does not unscrew easily at all
No it does not unscrew easily at all
In reply to Post #167
Hope you find something before then mate 👍
Hope you find something before then mate 👍
In reply to Post #170
cheers mate, im sure something will crop up
cheers mate, im sure something will crop up
In reply to Post #169
Happy days
Happy days
In reply to Post #171
Hope u get sorted with a job Andy 🤞
Hope u get sorted with a job Andy 🤞
In reply to Post #173
cheers,got 3 nights on sandhurst end of April to look forward to...hope I've got something in place before then
cheers,got 3 nights on sandhurst end of April to look forward to...hope I've got something in place before then
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I have been told by a good source that Daiwa are making the blanks and building the rods
I have been told by a good source that Daiwa are making the blanks and building the rods
In reply to Post #175
Daiwa are making the blanks from what I have been told too, there almost an identical build to an infinity and also the same idea where there a thicker diameter blank but thinner wall thickness.
Daiwa are making the blanks from what I have been told too, there almost an identical build to an infinity and also the same idea where there a thicker diameter blank but thinner wall thickness.
In reply to Post #176
Haven't Daiwa also just released or releasing 4lb test curve rods. Would make sense and also a good thing if they have made kordas.
Haven't Daiwa also just released or releasing 4lb test curve rods. Would make sense and also a good thing if they have made kordas.
In reply to Post #177
Daiwa did briefly make a 4.25tc the infinity df x45 SLR .
Daiwa did briefly make a 4.25tc the infinity df x45 SLR .
In reply to Post #178
The Daiwa X45M is 4lb test curve,im not sure if that's the new one
The Daiwa X45M is 4lb test curve,im not sure if that's the new one
In reply to Post #179
I think that is fairly new model from diawa
I think that is fairly new model from diawa
I had a look at these earlier today in Johnson Ross.
My thoughts, very very lightweight blanks that remind me of the Daiwa Infinity Blanks, they feel very "Crisp" in the hand, obviously cannot tell what they're like from a minute in a tackle shop but I'd imagine they are a good fit if you're fishing big, snaggy pits, they don't feel like the sort of rods you'd want to be using down your local day ticket lake.
In terms of the finish, very underwhelming in looks, Matt Black finish with Gloss Black whippings, build quality looked good but they definitely do not look anything special.
The Landing net though did look very nice, I've got a Dymag Mk2 and a Mk3 so know what a good net feels like, this did feel like a quality bit of kit, again very lightweight and did feel rigid in the shop.
Not 100% sure on the styling of the Spreader Block personally, it is quite large, and the Mesh is too deep for me, will be interesting to see if the start supplying it with the shallow mesh instead at a later date!
My thoughts, very very lightweight blanks that remind me of the Daiwa Infinity Blanks, they feel very "Crisp" in the hand, obviously cannot tell what they're like from a minute in a tackle shop but I'd imagine they are a good fit if you're fishing big, snaggy pits, they don't feel like the sort of rods you'd want to be using down your local day ticket lake.
In terms of the finish, very underwhelming in looks, Matt Black finish with Gloss Black whippings, build quality looked good but they definitely do not look anything special.
The Landing net though did look very nice, I've got a Dymag Mk2 and a Mk3 so know what a good net feels like, this did feel like a quality bit of kit, again very lightweight and did feel rigid in the shop.
Not 100% sure on the styling of the Spreader Block personally, it is quite large, and the Mesh is too deep for me, will be interesting to see if the start supplying it with the shallow mesh instead at a later date!
In reply to Post #181
Could always change the Mesh to a shallower one. Had a look at the net at the Farnborough show. Looks bespoke quality for the mass produced markett. Impressed
Could always change the Mesh to a shallower one. Had a look at the net at the Farnborough show. Looks bespoke quality for the mass produced markett. Impressed
In reply to Post #182
Yeah that's true but not sure that should have to be the case on a £250 Net.
Yeah that's true but not sure that should have to be the case on a £250 Net.
In reply to Post #183
If they fitted shallow mesh then people would be wanting deeper mesh .The deep mesh is ideal for retaining fish whilst sort mat and scales out,on other nets I pop the mesh through the arms,it just slides out as you net the fish
If they fitted shallow mesh then people would be wanting deeper mesh
.The deep mesh is ideal for retaining fish whilst sort mat and scales out,on other nets I pop the mesh through the arms,it just slides out as you net the fish
Had a good play with these at the weekend , was pleasantly surprised with the 12ft 4lb tc not a stiff as you'd think , hit good distance yet still had a soft tip ,then had a go with the 12ft 6 4lb tc this is a brute and felt like a out and out distance rod can imagine in the right hands you could chuck it miles .All rods super light they will sell loads of these .
In reply to Post #181
It wont be coming out with a shallow mesh, but theres a shallow mesh soon to be available as i emailed korda. I agree the mesh it comes with is far to deep.
It wont be coming out with a shallow mesh, but theres a shallow mesh soon to be available as i emailed korda. I agree the mesh it comes with is far to deep.
In reply to Post #184
Mesh is way to deep for me Tony. It kind of defeats the object of making the pole and block so light then putting a 5 foot deep mesh on which will weigh a ton when wet and be harder to move through the water.
Mesh is way to deep for me Tony. It kind of defeats the object of making the pole and block so light then putting a 5 foot deep mesh on which will weigh a ton when wet and be harder to move through the water.
In reply to Post #187
I know what you mean,I will see how get on and may replace it
I know what you mean,I will see how get on and may replace it
In reply to Post #187
The mesh is that deep so the net handle ( hence the spike on the end ) can be pushed into the bank or lake bed at a 45 degree angle to retain a fish after capture for that nice carpy shot on insta..
The mesh is that deep so the net handle ( hence the spike on the end ) can be pushed into the bank or lake bed at a 45 degree angle to retain a fish after capture for that nice carpy shot on insta..
4lb Tc really, what the hell are they being made for “Great White Shark fishing!”
I can see these being banned very quickly by fishery owners when they notice their stocks lips are being ripped clean off!
I can see these being banned very quickly by fishery owners when they notice their stocks lips are being ripped clean off!
In reply to Post #188
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In reply to Post #189
Yes i know that but thats a load of ******** as I cant see anyone ramming there £250 carbon net handle into a rocky muddy lake bed to retain a fish other than fairbrass who gets them for free. Net meshes that deep are a complete hindrance.
Yes i know that but thats a load of ******** as I cant see anyone ramming there £250 carbon net handle into a rocky muddy lake bed to retain a fish other than fairbrass who gets them for free. Net meshes that deep are a complete hindrance.
In reply to Post #192
I do it with my Dymag and will with this
I do it with my Dymag and will with this
In reply to Post #192
Spoken like a truly dedicated TART
Spoken like a truly dedicated TART
In reply to Post #190
Really ??you can apply just as much pressure with a 2lb tc through action rod as the rod length shortens with pressure being applied .
Really ??you can apply just as much pressure with a 2lb tc through action rod as the rod length shortens with pressure being applied .
In reply to Post #193
So would I Tony if I bought one as thats what it's made for .
So would I Tony if I bought one as thats what it's made for .
In reply to Post #192
Why would you not put the spike in the ground if that's what it's made for? In case it got scratched?!
Why would you not put the spike in the ground if that's what it's made for? In case it got scratched?!
In reply to Post #195
4lb TC = 4lb of weight to bend the rod to 90 degree angle
2lb Tc = 2lb of weight to bend the rod to 90 degree angle
simple physics = double the stored energy, which in the wrong hands equals a disaster.
4lb TC = 4lb of weight to bend the rod to 90 degree angle
2lb Tc = 2lb of weight to bend the rod to 90 degree angle
simple physics = double the stored energy, which in the wrong hands equals a disaster.
In reply to Post #198
In reply to Post #191
The deep mesh will be a Godsend for me on a lake I fish where there is a reasonable drop down to the margin, which is shallow for a couple of feet and then drops off again....retainers are banned so the deep mesh will allow plenty of room for anything i may be lucky to catch to sit there for 5 minutes whilst i get the camera etc ready...
The deep mesh will be a Godsend for me on a lake I fish where there is a reasonable drop down to the margin, which is shallow for a couple of feet and then drops off again....retainers are banned so the deep mesh will allow plenty of room for anything i may be lucky to catch to sit there for 5 minutes whilst i get the camera etc ready...
In reply to Post #194
😂 looks like im wrong then. Ive stuck mine in the wifes side of the wardrobe till a shallow mesh comes out. It was quite amusing this morn when she said whats that long camo thing in the wardrobe amongst my dresses.
Its not reallly a spike, its more of a dome so will take some pushing in i would imagine if you do use like that.
😂 looks like im wrong then. Ive stuck mine in the wifes side of the wardrobe till a shallow mesh comes out. It was quite amusing this morn when she said whats that long camo thing in the wardrobe amongst my dresses.
Its not reallly a spike, its more of a dome so will take some pushing in i would imagine if you do use like that.
In reply to Post #198
It's about levers ,the force on a stiff rod is applied to you on a stiff rod so in essence you feel the force and pressure , the same force on a through action rod is applied more to the other end , this is why boat rods are shorter in length if they were long and fast taper they would flip you out of a boat .-Lee Jackson showed a video years ago and more pressure was applied on a through action rod when tied to scales .
It's about levers ,the force on a stiff rod is applied to you on a stiff rod so in essence you feel the force and pressure , the same force on a through action rod is applied more to the other end , this is why boat rods are shorter in length if they were long and fast taper they would flip you out of a boat .-Lee Jackson showed a video years ago and more pressure was applied on a through action rod when tied to scales .
In reply to Post #202
This Lee Jackson video is often quoted, but what must be remembered is that he had braid on the reel on the softer rod, and mono on the heavier actioned rod.
Yes, I do understand the physics of it.
This Lee Jackson video is often quoted, but what must be remembered is that he had braid on the reel on the softer rod, and mono on the heavier actioned rod.
Yes, I do understand the physics of it.
In reply to Post #203
Im still not sure why they did it with braid on the through actioned rod on that video.
Im still not sure why they did it with braid on the through actioned rod on that video.
In reply to Post #203
Agree , but the results would be the same once the stretch of the mono has gone
Agree , but the results would be the same once the stretch of the mono has gone
In reply to Post #202
Length of a Rod, Action of a Rod, materials it's made of, number of sections is all utterly Irrelevant-
Example: take a 3 1/2tc 8ft Rod and a 3 1/2tc 13ft Rod, both will bend to exactly 90 degrees when a weight of 3 1/2Lb is applied to the Rod.
How the Rod bends and were the Rod bends depends on the design/make up of the Rod, but both will store exactly 3 1/2lbs of stored energy when positioned at 90 degree's
Length of a Rod, Action of a Rod, materials it's made of, number of sections is all utterly Irrelevant-
Example: take a 3 1/2tc 8ft Rod and a 3 1/2tc 13ft Rod, both will bend to exactly 90 degrees when a weight of 3 1/2Lb is applied to the Rod.
How the Rod bends and were the Rod bends depends on the design/make up of the Rod, but both will store exactly 3 1/2lbs of stored energy when positioned at 90 degree's
In reply to Post #206
Spot on.
The angler will have to exert more pressure to bend the longer rod to the 3.5lb test curve on the longer rod.
BUT... the mate on the other end "holding the line" will be more easily able to pull the tip over on the longer rod.
Again, simple physics.
This is why these short but beefy rods are a horrible fish playing option and could end up doing more mouth damage if there is a sudden lunge from a fish.
Spot on.
The angler will have to exert more pressure to bend the longer rod to the 3.5lb test curve on the longer rod.
BUT... the mate on the other end "holding the line" will be more easily able to pull the tip over on the longer rod.
Again, simple physics.
This is why these short but beefy rods are a horrible fish playing option and could end up doing more mouth damage if there is a sudden lunge from a fish.
In reply to Post #206
Yes , but a shorter lever will exert more pressure. If you have to pull for a break,what do you do? Point the rod directly at the lead thus reducing the rods effective length to zero.
Yes , but a shorter lever will exert more pressure. If you have to pull for a break,what do you do? Point the rod directly at the lead thus reducing the rods effective length to zero.
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In reply to Post #208
Exactly that
Exactly that
In reply to Post #208
No they won't, if both Rods are 3 1/2 tc (as that was the test curve specification they was built too) when both are bent to 90 degrees are exactly the same, that's the bench mark for fishing Rods, the standard measure it does not vary.
I think what you mean is - it's more user friendly to have a 13ft Rod bent to 90 degrees than it is to have a 8ft long Rod of the same Tc in your hands being bent to 90 degrees
No they won't, if both Rods are 3 1/2 tc (as that was the test curve specification they was built too) when both are bent to 90 degrees are exactly the same, that's the bench mark for fishing Rods, the standard measure it does not vary.
I think what you mean is - it's more user friendly to have a 13ft Rod bent to 90 degrees than it is to have a 8ft long Rod of the same Tc in your hands being bent to 90 degrees
In reply to Post #211
Longer rod fast taper when bent 90deg will exert more pressure on you , than a through action rod ,both could have the same tc and length but as a rod bends more the pressure is applied at the other end .Don't think anyone could apply 4lb of pressure on a fast taper rod where it would feel more comfortable on a through action rod Hope that makes sense .
Longer rod fast taper when bent 90deg will exert more pressure on you , than a through action rod ,both could have the same tc and length but as a rod bends more the pressure is applied at the other end .Don't think anyone could apply 4lb of pressure on a fast taper rod where it would feel more comfortable on a through action rod Hope that makes sense .
In reply to Post #198
That's not how it works though. That "stored" energy is exactly that. Your putting your energy into bending the blank, rather than pulling the line. The reason you can put way more pressure on if you just point the directly at the lead so it doesn't bend at all.
A soft rod will be 90 degrees a lot quicker than a stiff rod will be. When it's 90 degrees, the rod is shorter, so it's way easier to put more pressure on. The same principal as holding a heavy weight out full arm length is a lot harder than holding it close to your body.
That's not how it works though. That "stored" energy is exactly that. Your putting your energy into bending the blank, rather than pulling the line. The reason you can put way more pressure on if you just point the directly at the lead so it doesn't bend at all.
A soft rod will be 90 degrees a lot quicker than a stiff rod will be. When it's 90 degrees, the rod is shorter, so it's way easier to put more pressure on. The same principal as holding a heavy weight out full arm length is a lot harder than holding it close to your body.
As far as I know there is also no standard for clamping the rod when measuring test curve..some are clamped at the reel..some are sat in a butt cap, so 1 3.5lb rod could be completely different to another..
The test curve of a rod is nothing more than the minimum load required to bend it through 90 degrees, with the Rod positioned horizontally.
That's taken from a well known Blank manufacturing company.
It really is that simple.
That's taken from a well known Blank manufacturing company.
It really is that simple.
"Another problem is that there is no standard way of clamping the handle during measurement, and small position changes at the handle can make big differences at the tip. Put simply, the whole concept of measuring test curve is flawed"...that's from Harrisons website!
In reply to Post #215
Just goes to show its a useless number. You could put a quivertip on the end of a broom stick and call it a 0.25lb test curve.
Just goes to show its a useless number. You could put a quivertip on the end of a broom stick and call it a 0.25lb test curve.
In reply to Post #211
Keith,
2 rods, both 12ft 3.25 TC.
Rod A - through action = this rod is roughly 8ft long when the tip is 90 degrees to the butt
Rod B - fast action = this rod is 10ft long when the tip is at 90 degrees to the butt
this means that with Rod A, you can exert a LOT more force on the line than Rod B. Ttry it.
Fast action rods cast a relatively small weight (compared to a fish) longer because the arc of the lead is bigger because the rod is 'longer' in the cast.
random pic to show what I mean by the length of the rod.
Keith,
2 rods, both 12ft 3.25 TC.
Rod A - through action = this rod is roughly 8ft long when the tip is 90 degrees to the butt
Rod B - fast action = this rod is 10ft long when the tip is at 90 degrees to the butt
this means that with Rod A, you can exert a LOT more force on the line than Rod B. Ttry it.
Fast action rods cast a relatively small weight (compared to a fish) longer because the arc of the lead is bigger because the rod is 'longer' in the cast.
random pic to show what I mean by the length of the rod.
In reply to Post #218
This isnt exactly true...
If the angler only pulls with a force of 3.25lb then both rods will exert the same force!!!
If the angler contines to pull harder and pulls the equivalent of 5lbs of pull then both rods will be exerting a pull of 5lbs...
The difference is that the angler will have to pull harder on the longer rod (lever) to make a pull equivalent to 5lbs due to the lever being longer and the pivot point being further from the angler.
The shorter rod (lever) will still be pulling 5lb but it will be easier for the angler to exert that amount of pull.
At the other end, it really doesn't matter how long or short the rod is, as 3.25lb of pull is the same on both rods.
If the pressure is increased then it is the same at the other end. The only difference is how hard the angler is having to work to exert that pull.
This isnt exactly true...
If the angler only pulls with a force of 3.25lb then both rods will exert the same force!!!
If the angler contines to pull harder and pulls the equivalent of 5lbs of pull then both rods will be exerting a pull of 5lbs...
The difference is that the angler will have to pull harder on the longer rod (lever) to make a pull equivalent to 5lbs due to the lever being longer and the pivot point being further from the angler.
The shorter rod (lever) will still be pulling 5lb but it will be easier for the angler to exert that amount of pull.
At the other end, it really doesn't matter how long or short the rod is, as 3.25lb of pull is the same on both rods.
If the pressure is increased then it is the same at the other end. The only difference is how hard the angler is having to work to exert that pull.
Wow,this thread gas gone off in a totally new direction.There was a guy who used to fish Winterley and he used Freespirit spod rods as his main rods,he caught more than most and never suffered any hookpulls whilst I was fishing there
In reply to Post #220
All down to the angler and how they choose to play the fish.
All down to the angler and how they choose to play the fish.
In reply to Post #221
He was one hell of an angler to be fair,his casting was unbelievable.He could put a lead a fair distance but his accuracy was the most impressive part
He was one hell of an angler to be fair,his casting was unbelievable.He could put a lead a fair distance but his accuracy was the most impressive part
In reply to Post #219
Yeah, but when you're landing a fish you don't pull at exactly 3.25lb, you yank as hard as you dare!
Yeah, but when you're landing a fish you don't pull at exactly 3.25lb, you yank as hard as you dare!
In reply to Post #219
I'm afraid you're completely wrong here.
I'm afraid you're completely wrong here.
In reply to Post #218
That's it in a nutshell .
That's it in a nutshell .
I wonder how the Korda Kaizen rods will compete against Dave Lane's Cadence rods which are £266 per rod when you buy 3 or £299 each
In reply to Post #226
One thing you can guarantee is that the Korda advertising machine will overwhelm the market. It would be Interesting to see a neutral review side by side. However the Korda rods are a heavier test curve so direct comparison not really applicable .
Anyone got a review of actual use of the Dave Lane rods?
One thing you can guarantee is that the Korda advertising machine will overwhelm the market. It would be Interesting to see a neutral review side by side. However the Korda rods are a heavier test curve so direct comparison not really applicable .
Anyone got a review of actual use of the Dave Lane rods?
In reply to Post #142
What a great idea. One of the most sensible things I've heard.
What a great idea. One of the most sensible things I've heard.
In reply to Post #226
Dave lane is working with another company now? So thats gardner, solar, and this new one in the last 6 months odd?
Dave lane is working with another company now? So thats gardner, solar, and this new one in the last 6 months odd?
In reply to Post #198
I'm with you.
The point is a 4lb TC rod needs a 4 ounce lead (casting), at least.
Heavier the lead = more mouth damage.
I'm with you.
The point is a 4lb TC rod needs a 4 ounce lead (casting), at least.
Heavier the lead = more mouth damage.
In reply to Post #220
Just a quick question... has anyone on here actually fished with them?
I'm currently using 12ft 3.25lb FS CTXs which I really like but I can't get them to hit 120yards (before anyone says I've got lessons with Terry himself this summer already booked).
I'm planning on upgrading them to some 3.5lb TC rods soon as that will add a few yards at least. Should I look at the Kaizens? Or should I go for some customs/other off the shelf rods?
Just a quick question... has anyone on here actually fished with them?
I'm currently using 12ft 3.25lb FS CTXs which I really like but I can't get them to hit 120yards (before anyone says I've got lessons with Terry himself this summer already booked).
I'm planning on upgrading them to some 3.5lb TC rods soon as that will add a few yards at least. Should I look at the Kaizens? Or should I go for some customs/other off the shelf rods?
In reply to Post #231
I would wait until youve had your lessons with terry Edmonds. He will no doubt carry the kaizens with him now, so you can have a hands on test. But he also has knowledge of harrison and shimano, so should be able to give you an idea of what suits you best
I would wait until youve had your lessons with terry Edmonds. He will no doubt carry the kaizens with him now, so you can have a hands on test. But he also has knowledge of harrison and shimano, so should be able to give you an idea of what suits you best
In reply to Post #231
As The-Heff says, wait until you have had your tuition with Terry Edmonds.
Those rods should see you getting well over 120yds, but if you do need to buy new he can give you advice.
As The-Heff says, wait until you have had your tuition with Terry Edmonds.
Those rods should see you getting well over 120yds, but if you do need to buy new he can give you advice.
In reply to Post #231
Distance depends on a lot. What line are you using and what size lead? Distance lead? Lead arrangement and rig/bait size etc
Distance depends on a lot. What line are you using and what size lead? Distance lead? Lead arrangement and rig/bait size etc
In reply to Post #231
I fished a match on fox at abbey last year and the guy in the peg next to me was using these in the same tc. He was hitting the far bank (130 ish) with no issues at all. I'd suggest that new rods won't really help
I fished a match on fox at abbey last year and the guy in the peg next to me was using these in the same tc. He was hitting the far bank (130 ish) with no issues at all. I'd suggest that new rods won't really help
In reply to Post #234
For sure - I'm working on the setup as nearly all my fishing for the past few years has been under 50 yards. Just a few venues I'm now fishing may need a longer chuck of up to 120-130.
Currently using 15lb Thinking Anglers (0.35 or 0.37 I think) OGX straight through but about to change back to 0.33 ESP Syncro (12lb I think) with a leader. Lead - I've found 3.5oz is the best to cast on the 3.25lb rods. Nearly always a leadclip. I'm getting longer and more accurate with the practice.
For sure - I'm working on the setup as nearly all my fishing for the past few years has been under 50 yards. Just a few venues I'm now fishing may need a longer chuck of up to 120-130.
Currently using 15lb Thinking Anglers (0.35 or 0.37 I think) OGX straight through but about to change back to 0.33 ESP Syncro (12lb I think) with a leader. Lead - I've found 3.5oz is the best to cast on the 3.25lb rods. Nearly always a leadclip. I'm getting longer and more accurate with the practice.
In reply to Post #235
New rods would help. Just it's better and more effective to improvise technique first.
New rods would help. Just it's better and more effective to improvise technique first.
In reply to Post #236
Have you tried 4oz? Personally find that better than a 3.5 on a 31/4 rod.
What leader you going to be using, a full length shock leader is best.
Have you tried 4oz? Personally find that better than a 3.5 on a 31/4 rod.
What leader you going to be using, a full length shock leader is best.
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In reply to Post #239
Insightful as ever. Assume your mates dogs have bought them and said they are rubbish?
Insightful as ever. Assume your mates dogs have bought them and said they are rubbish?
In reply to Post #240
Sorry agreed silly post. Gave up using Korda when their hook links broke on me several years ago
Sorry agreed silly post. Gave up using Korda when their hook links broke on me several years ago
In reply to Post #240
Don't have to like my opinion, I have no faith in Korda. At the same token I should not have posted anything.
Don't have to like my opinion, I have no faith in Korda. At the same token I should not have posted anything.
In reply to Post #238
I'll try the 4oz again - I found the 4oz on my previous rods was too much for the 3.25.
In terms of leaders - I use the ESP ones which are tapered or Armakord in 50lb.
I'll try the 4oz again - I found the 4oz on my previous rods was too much for the 3.25.
In terms of leaders - I use the ESP ones which are tapered or Armakord in 50lb.
In reply to Post #237
If I needed to use solid bags then the heavier test curve will become more important
If I needed to use solid bags then the heavier test curve will become more important
In reply to Post #245
You can always drop your lead size if you are making up bags.
2oz of bait plus 2oz of lead or 3oz plus 1oz equals 4oz,
You'll get to know roughly how much bait to go in a bag.
I'm hitting over 100metres with a bag and 3oz lead on a 3.25lb tc rod.
You can always drop your lead size if you are making up bags.
2oz of bait plus 2oz of lead or 3oz plus 1oz equals 4oz,
You'll get to know roughly how much bait to go in a bag.
I'm hitting over 100metres with a bag and 3oz lead on a 3.25lb tc rod.
In reply to Post #231
I have the FS 3.25 lb CTX 12 ft.
I like the rod - very light and slim (reason I bought it as that was my priority), but i would say it's closer to a 3lb TC rod.
A Fast taper, softer than stated Rod, with a Marmite finish.
I tried between a 3 and 3.5 oz lead , and was more consistent with a 3.
Depends on casting technique I guess.
I have the FS 3.25 lb CTX 12 ft.
I like the rod - very light and slim (reason I bought it as that was my priority), but i would say it's closer to a 3lb TC rod.
A Fast taper, softer than stated Rod, with a Marmite finish.
I tried between a 3 and 3.5 oz lead , and was more consistent with a 3.
Depends on casting technique I guess.
In reply to Post #244
Suppose it may be different from rod to rod. But I'd be surprised if it was. After all put a 3oz lead on it and give it to a big caster and they're going to be putting more load than us normal casters do and I'm more than sure they'd cope with it so I reckon (although it's just theory) the 4oz won't be too much. Don't be scared of breaking it. You'd be hard pushed to break a 3.25 rod with a 4oz
I'm sure I was told to add 0.5-1 oz on the lead size over the tc
2.5lb - 3oz
3lb - 3.75oz
3.5lb - 4.5oz
Suppose it may be different from rod to rod. But I'd be surprised if it was. After all put a 3oz lead on it and give it to a big caster and they're going to be putting more load than us normal casters do and I'm more than sure they'd cope with it so I reckon (although it's just theory) the 4oz won't be too much. Don't be scared of breaking it. You'd be hard pushed to break a 3.25 rod with a 4oz
I'm sure I was told to add 0.5-1 oz on the lead size over the tc
2.5lb - 3oz
3lb - 3.75oz
3.5lb - 4.5oz
In reply to Post #248
I got an original greys prodigy 3.5lb and its like a broomstick. I reckon it needs 5oz to get the best from it which is why I haven't really used it and it sits in the loft. Would make a good marker rod or light spod rod though.
I got an original greys prodigy 3.5lb and its like a broomstick. I reckon it needs 5oz to get the best from it which is why I haven't really used it and it sits in the loft. Would make a good marker rod or light spod rod though.
In reply to Post #248
It is different from rod to rod i have two sets of 3 1/4 rods one set a 3.5 lead casts slightly further than a 4 but the other set a 4 oz out casts a 3.5
A big caster casting a 3oz lead wont be overloading the blank but a 4oz lead may overload the blank.
It is different from rod to rod i have two sets of 3 1/4 rods one set a 3.5 lead casts slightly further than a 4 but the other set a 4 oz out casts a 3.5
A big caster casting a 3oz lead wont be overloading the blank but a 4oz lead may overload the blank.
In reply to Post #103
re: " Alot of people did,nt get on with kev as like myself he had no time for 50ml hoops etc on a fishing rod. Dave lumb has the same outlook both only built/ build on harrison blanks also. I once saw Kev put a bucket 120yds away get down on one knee and put a two ounce lead straight in it first cast . "
as an old school angler, this is refreshing to hear!
i HATE rods with 50 mm
so what you say is for accuracy...
Q: is there any PROOF that having a 50 mm does in fact cast FURTHER?
Anyone?
cheers!
re: " Alot of people did,nt get on with kev as like myself he had no time for 50ml hoops etc on a fishing rod. Dave lumb has the same outlook both only built/ build on harrison blanks also. I once saw Kev put a bucket 120yds away get down on one knee and put a two ounce lead straight in it first cast . "
as an old school angler, this is refreshing to hear!
i HATE rods with 50 mm
so what you say is for accuracy...
Q: is there any PROOF that having a 50 mm does in fact cast FURTHER?
Anyone?
cheers!
In reply to Post #251
Do 50mm guides cast further? That question really does open a can of worms really big casters say they do but for the most if using thinner casting lines i don't think they do i think 50's can help with thicker more wirey lines or flouro though, i also think 50's can upset the balance of some rods
Do 50mm guides cast further? That question really does open a can of worms really big casters say they do but for the most if using thinner casting lines i don't think they do i think 50's can help with thicker more wirey lines or flouro though, i also think 50's can upset the balance of some rods
In reply to Post #251
There's a reason tournament casters use large rings on fixed spool set ups , do large rings make a difference to all rods and all anglers ? So many variables do what suites you.
There's a reason tournament casters use large rings on fixed spool set ups , do large rings make a difference to all rods and all anglers ? So many variables do what suites you.
In reply to Post #252
With old, coiley mono, florou....
YES!
With old, coiley mono, florou....
YES!
In reply to Post #250
Fair enough it's a rough guide I suppose it also what suits each caster and what they are personally capable of
My point being someone like Terry Edmonds or similar would put more load with a 3oz lead than I and most others would with a 4 oz.
Fair enough it's a rough guide I suppose it also what suits each caster and what they are personally capable of
My point being someone like Terry Edmonds or similar would put more load with a 3oz lead than I and most others would with a 4 oz.
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