John Baker has now introduced 8ml bottles of some of his flavours into his range. Personally i think its a great idea, especially with his flavours as he only recommends low levels of them. Just thought I'd share it with you.
In reply to Post #1
Agreed, that's a fab idea... As long as the postage is sensible?
Agreed, that's a fab idea... As long as the postage is sensible?
The bottles are £2.95, not cheap but John only advocates parts of 1ml per mix. As for postage, not sure. It appears some are making a bit extra profit on the postage! Just my opinion.
In reply to Post #3
At that price, that is the equivalent of £295 per litre for Ala-Salar. Cheaper than a bottle of 25 year old Mulberry, but there's a healthy profit there, methinks....
At that price, that is the equivalent of £295 per litre for Ala-Salar. Cheaper than a bottle of 25 year old Mulberry, but there's a healthy profit there, methinks....
In reply to Post #4
Nearly £370 a litre at that rate 😳
Nearly £370 a litre at that rate 😳
In reply to Post #4
As everyone is now moaning about old bottles being “gone off” this may stop it happening and everyone gets fresh when they need it.
Smaller amounts always cost relatively more money
Win win
As everyone is now moaning about old bottles being “gone off” this may stop it happening and everyone gets fresh when they need it.
Smaller amounts always cost relatively more money
Win win
In reply to Post #4
In the video he implies that these small bottles are supposed to be tasters / testers not for long term users.
In the video he implies that these small bottles are supposed to be tasters / testers not for long term users.
In reply to Post #7
Sell them for a quid then on that principle. I get the idea, it's a good one to try things out, but £2.95 for 8ml is blatant profiteering
Sell them for a quid then on that principle. I get the idea, it's a good one to try things out, but £2.95 for 8ml is blatant profiteering
Mr Bakers recent videos seems to have created bit of a stir in the bait making community.
Wonder why he is kicking into life on social media now all of a sudden?
Sounds like he's got some interesting new products coming out soon too!
Wonder why he is kicking into life on social media now all of a sudden?
Sounds like he's got some interesting new products coming out soon too!
In reply to Post #3
He mentioned that the 8ml bottles will be enough to do 3-4kg so looking at about 2ml per kg, and that doesnt count the odd drip wasted in the syringe etc.
He mentioned that the 8ml bottles will be enough to do 3-4kg so looking at about 2ml per kg, and that doesnt count the odd drip wasted in the syringe etc.
In reply to Post #7
Exactly. I don't get the complaining £3 for enough flavour for 5kg of bait works for me. I plan on buying 4 to experiment with some hookbaits. That's £12 outlay instead of £68 for 100ml bottles.
Of course it works out dearer if you buy 8ml at a time but if I was using a lot of it I wouldn't be buying 8ml at a time so I think the price for litre buying this amount at a time is irrelevant.
Exactly. I don't get the complaining £3 for enough flavour for 5kg of bait works for me. I plan on buying 4 to experiment with some hookbaits. That's £12 outlay instead of £68 for 100ml bottles.
Of course it works out dearer if you buy 8ml at a time but if I was using a lot of it I wouldn't be buying 8ml at a time so I think the price for litre buying this amount at a time is irrelevant.
I would say that rolling your own hookbaits is a far more popular hobby than knocking out 20kg at a time. The smaller bottles are perfect for that, seems like a positive for both JB and the punter.
I think JB's son is now involved and is trying to get the old man up to speed with how to reach the new audience. Hence the YouTube stuff.
I think JB's son is now involved and is trying to get the old man up to speed with how to reach the new audience. Hence the YouTube stuff.
It's a good idea I'm opinion. I've got several of JBs flavours that are approaching two years old and should by his accounts be binned.
I've noticed a change in some during a 12 month period, I do wish he used glass for his flavours.
Anyway £3 for 8 mls ain't bad really
I've noticed a change in some during a 12 month period, I do wish he used glass for his flavours.
Anyway £3 for 8 mls ain't bad really
It's a good idea I'm opinion. I've got several of JBs flavours that are approaching two years old and should by his accounts be binned.
I've noticed a change in some during a 12 month period, I do wish he used glass for his flavours.
Anyway £3 for 8 mls ain't bad really
I've noticed a change in some during a 12 month period, I do wish he used glass for his flavours.
Anyway £3 for 8 mls ain't bad really
In reply to Post #14
Yes, I'd agree with the glass bottles comment. I think all suppliers should do so, seems to be only DT that still do that.
Yes, I'd agree with the glass bottles comment. I think all suppliers should do so, seems to be only DT that still do that.
In reply to Post #8
But take into account the postage and the bottle it's supplied in...
As has been said below, it works out much better to buy these in smaller bottles for things like Hookbaits or a bit of paste, than to buy a large bottle and end up wasting it.
I think it's a great idea.
But take into account the postage and the bottle it's supplied in...
As has been said below, it works out much better to buy these in smaller bottles for things like Hookbaits or a bit of paste, than to buy a large bottle and end up wasting it.
I think it's a great idea.
In reply to Post #16
Postage is another £3.85
Postage is another £3.85
In reply to Post #17
Ouch. That's a lot for a jiffy envelope.
Ouch. That's a lot for a jiffy envelope.
In reply to Post #17
Beat me to it, Boo!
Ok, firstly before anyone throws their toys out the pram - Johns flavours are amongst the best available, and the idea of doing 'samples' is a good idea.
But the cost of his products are ridiculous. Putting aside the issue of postage here on the samples...look at the other products. His base mixes, even at the 5kg bags, are a minimum of £11 per kilo, for example.
The worst example of profiteering is the Shrimp extract - which is EXACTLY the same as Bacarel's. If you wanted to buy a litre of John's, including postage, you would pay £27.83.
Bacarel's is £38 for 5 litres, equating to £7.60 per litre, as it is post free.
To quote Mr Lydon "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"........
Beat me to it, Boo!
Ok, firstly before anyone throws their toys out the pram - Johns flavours are amongst the best available, and the idea of doing 'samples' is a good idea.
But the cost of his products are ridiculous. Putting aside the issue of postage here on the samples...look at the other products. His base mixes, even at the 5kg bags, are a minimum of £11 per kilo, for example.
The worst example of profiteering is the Shrimp extract - which is EXACTLY the same as Bacarel's. If you wanted to buy a litre of John's, including postage, you would pay £27.83.
Bacarel's is £38 for 5 litres, equating to £7.60 per litre, as it is post free.
To quote Mr Lydon "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"........
In reply to Post #19
Quality products. Lots of carp tax.
Quality products. Lots of carp tax.
In reply to Post #19
100% agree on this sorry. They may be good but that's overly expensive. Catchit labs flavours don't boil out and catch fish at 20£ a litre.
100% agree on this sorry. They may be good but that's overly expensive. Catchit labs flavours don't boil out and catch fish at 20£ a litre.
In reply to Post #19
I'm not sure it's profiteering,
On the volumes he sells he may need to charge a high mark up to make the business work.
Also, he has put decades of experience into sourcing the right ingredients. I can use Google or Alibaba to find cheaper options but are they as good? Some almost certainly will be, but with limited time and experience I can be sure by buying from him.
Obviously if you know that what he sells is identical to X at a fraction of the price, then it makes sense to buy the identical cheaper product. But many of us have no idea which is the right plum flavour to buy from a wholesaler and when we buy from John we are buying his product and his knowledge.
I'm not sure it's profiteering,
On the volumes he sells he may need to charge a high mark up to make the business work.
Also, he has put decades of experience into sourcing the right ingredients. I can use Google or Alibaba to find cheaper options but are they as good? Some almost certainly will be, but with limited time and experience I can be sure by buying from him.
Obviously if you know that what he sells is identical to X at a fraction of the price, then it makes sense to buy the identical cheaper product. But many of us have no idea which is the right plum flavour to buy from a wholesaler and when we buy from John we are buying his product and his knowledge.
Do you think it's too dear? Well don't buy it then.
'Blatant profiteering'? It's not the bloody Covid vaccine. It's stuff to make your bait smell. There are cheaper alternatives.
Lets not pretend the hundreds of little envelopes of plastic rig bits for 3 or 4 quid a go represent value for money.
'Blatant profiteering'? It's not the bloody Covid vaccine. It's stuff to make your bait smell. There are cheaper alternatives.
Lets not pretend the hundreds of little envelopes of plastic rig bits for 3 or 4 quid a go represent value for money.
In reply to Post #23
Or the £80 distance sticks, or the £1000 bivvies, or the bait or the camo buckets 🤫
Or the £80 distance sticks, or the £1000 bivvies, or the bait or the camo buckets 🤫
In reply to Post #24
Now you are just being silly. Everyone knows that if you use a white bucket for spodding then the fish will see it and refuse to get caught.
Now you are just being silly. Everyone knows that if you use a white bucket for spodding then the fish will see it and refuse to get caught.
In reply to Post #23
Catch it labs prices: 50ml for £4.95 (cost per litre of £99) or buy 1 litre for £19 are they profiteering also?
Buy smaller quantities and pay a premium its the same in any walk of life. I bought the mrs 50ml of perfume for xmas it cost £60 i could buy 100ml for £75, some costs remain consistent regardless of quantity sold.
Seems to me someone has a beef with JB baits in general, if not why single out them when every bait and tackle company on the market has extortionately high margins., At least with JB you know you are getting quality for the price unlike many others i could mention....
Catch it labs prices: 50ml for £4.95 (cost per litre of £99) or buy 1 litre for £19 are they profiteering also?
Buy smaller quantities and pay a premium its the same in any walk of life. I bought the mrs 50ml of perfume for xmas it cost £60 i could buy 100ml for £75, some costs remain consistent regardless of quantity sold.
Seems to me someone has a beef with JB baits in general, if not why single out them when every bait and tackle company on the market has extortionately high margins., At least with JB you know you are getting quality for the price unlike many others i could mention....
In reply to Post #26
Exactly.
I'd rather get a couple of these smaller bottles to use in my expensive milk protein winter bait, which I don't use a lot of, then buy fresh again next year. Better than having a selection of barely used old flavours in your fridge .. like I have.
Exactly.
I'd rather get a couple of these smaller bottles to use in my expensive milk protein winter bait, which I don't use a lot of, then buy fresh again next year. Better than having a selection of barely used old flavours in your fridge .. like I have.
In reply to Post #19
Will that be the same shrimp extract that bacarel are selling for £10.95 for 600g? Granted it gets cheaper if you buy more (sound familiar) but 600g is not so different to the 11.99 JB charges for 500g.
Another company in your eyes ''profiteering'' and its the very same company you chose to compare to JB in evidence of over pricing
Will that be the same shrimp extract that bacarel are selling for £10.95 for 600g? Granted it gets cheaper if you buy more (sound familiar) but 600g is not so different to the 11.99 JB charges for 500g.
Another company in your eyes ''profiteering'' and its the very same company you chose to compare to JB in evidence of over pricing
In reply to Post #28
It is yes, but it's post free, so still over a fiver cheaper once the JB postage is added. It's a shame that John doesn't do larger bottles, so I've used one comparison, that's all. 500ml of the stuff isn't going to last long anyway.
What did I say about people throwing their toys out of the pram?
As I said earlier, his flavours, in my view, are excellent. Just overpriced.
And as regards Jon's comment about 4 quid for a bit of plastic I am in total agreement. The problem is that carp anglers are gullible. They get told they have to drop their lead (by a lead manufacturer), that they need to change their hook after every fish (by a hook supplier), and that hook has to be sharpened out of the packet, as even at 50p each hook, its still not adequate, then because the point is so thin, after it touches a lump of gravel and burrs over, it has to be thrown away, and the whole stupid process is repeated. Etc etc etc.
It is yes, but it's post free, so still over a fiver cheaper once the JB postage is added. It's a shame that John doesn't do larger bottles, so I've used one comparison, that's all. 500ml of the stuff isn't going to last long anyway.
What did I say about people throwing their toys out of the pram?
As I said earlier, his flavours, in my view, are excellent. Just overpriced.
And as regards Jon's comment about 4 quid for a bit of plastic I am in total agreement. The problem is that carp anglers are gullible. They get told they have to drop their lead (by a lead manufacturer), that they need to change their hook after every fish (by a hook supplier), and that hook has to be sharpened out of the packet, as even at 50p each hook, its still not adequate, then because the point is so thin, after it touches a lump of gravel and burrs over, it has to be thrown away, and the whole stupid process is repeated. Etc etc etc.
In reply to Post #29
No toy chucking here just trying to add some balance to your claims as they are clearly bias judging by the examples you have given.
You cant call out solely JB for over pricing when Bacarel a company you imply offer good value charge around the same for a similar amount of liquid.
No toy chucking here just trying to add some balance to your claims as they are clearly bias judging by the examples you have given.
You cant call out solely JB for over pricing when Bacarel a company you imply offer good value charge around the same for a similar amount of liquid.
In reply to Post #30
I've just edited ref postage squire
I've just edited ref postage squire
I think John's flavours seem to get universal approval, especially on the quality, strength & freshness side of things.
This is ideal for those who like to make hook baits and different flavoured ones etc rather than paying for 100ml for each flavour and maybe not using it after trialling, even if they are over priced.
Even has the hook bait mixes as well.
This is ideal for those who like to make hook baits and different flavoured ones etc rather than paying for 100ml for each flavour and maybe not using it after trialling, even if they are over priced.
Even has the hook bait mixes as well.
In reply to Post #1
That's good news and nice to have the choice to order in a volume that's a great fit for doing hookbaits. Will certainly order some and hopefully he adds his new peach flavour to that range👍
That's good news and nice to have the choice to order in a volume that's a great fit for doing hookbaits. Will certainly order some and hopefully he adds his new peach flavour to that range👍
In reply to Post #33
Does anyone know if he will offer the full range eventually?
Does anyone know if he will offer the full range eventually?
In reply to Post #34
I wouldn't think that would be in his best interest but who knows
I wouldn't think that would be in his best interest but who knows
In reply to Post #35
Got a reply via email from him
"No more at present ...we have already run out of bottles!
It's extremely time consuming so we are only doing the stronger flavours".
Got a reply via email from him
"No more at present ...we have already run out of bottles!
It's extremely time consuming so we are only doing the stronger flavours".
In reply to Post #36
As long as they dont say they are closing down as business is to good as baitroom did. 😂😂
As long as they dont say they are closing down as business is to good as baitroom did. 😂😂
He's put the price up of the sample bottles. i bought some last week for £2.49 each, they are now on there for £3.50! Don't think I'll bother getting any more as £3.50 for 8mil is too expensive. Should have got more when I bought my two.
In reply to Post #38
John Baker is one of a rare breed. A man of integrity, a wealth of knowledge that he FREELY shares, a man who doesnt mess with his base mixes and who, in my opinion, is definitely one of the good guys.
He starts selling smaller samples so us anglers can try things out without spending a load of money. And he is slagged off for it.
People need to wake up to who really rips you off in this world...it isnt JB
John Baker is one of a rare breed. A man of integrity, a wealth of knowledge that he FREELY shares, a man who doesnt mess with his base mixes and who, in my opinion, is definitely one of the good guys.
He starts selling smaller samples so us anglers can try things out without spending a load of money. And he is slagged off for it.
People need to wake up to who really rips you off in this world...it isnt JB
In reply to Post #39
👏👏👏👏👏👏👍👍
👏👏👏👏👏👏👍👍
In reply to Post #39
Couldn't agree more.
Couldn't agree more.
In reply to Post #39
Well said
Well said
In reply to Post #39
Totally agree - top man JB is
Totally agree - top man JB is
80p increase 
In reply to Post #44
Why do 10mm boilies cost more than 14mm
It's still the same weight in base mix lol
Why do 10mm boilies cost more than 14mm
It's still the same weight in base mix lol
In reply to Post #39
who's slagging him off? They were £2.49 last week and when they return they will be £3.50 which is too much imo so I won't be buying any more. It's his prerogative to raise the price and mine not to buy them. Simples.
who's slagging him off? They were £2.49 last week and when they return they will be £3.50 which is too much imo so I won't be buying any more. It's his prerogative to raise the price and mine not to buy them. Simples.
In reply to Post #46
Glass bottles now which someone said they wished he would do
Could be the extra costs ??
Glass bottles now which someone said they wished he would do
Could be the extra costs ??
In reply to Post #47
They already came in glass bottles. look, I'm happy that I got the two I wanted and I wish JB all the very best. He's a stand-up guy and his products are excellent. There's just a limit to what I'll pay for a flavour, which to me are like the icing on a cake. The cake is the more important bit.
They already came in glass bottles. look, I'm happy that I got the two I wanted and I wish JB all the very best. He's a stand-up guy and his products are excellent. There's just a limit to what I'll pay for a flavour, which to me are like the icing on a cake. The cake is the more important bit.
In reply to Post #47
80p increase!! People are moaning!
Bet they spend more at Costa
80p increase!! People are moaning!
Bet they spend more at Costa
In reply to Post #49
Possibly there is a more pressing need for small glass bottles holding a few ml of liquid at the moment!
Possibly there is a more pressing need for small glass bottles holding a few ml of liquid at the moment!
In reply to Post #50
Rubbish - fishing comes first
Rubbish - fishing comes first
In reply to Post #4
Just multiplying the up the volume to get a comparative price per litre misses out on the other costs involved, not least of which will be the time spent getting the small quantity into the small bottle and labeling it, as well as the botte itself. I'm guessing that John does this by hand and it will be time consuming so there is the majority of your cost. If the flavour comes from the supplier in 5 litre containers, and you sell it in 100ml bottles, then that's 50 bottles to fill. If your flogging it in 10ml bottles, that's 500 bottles to fill. And just because its 10 times smaller doesn't mean you fill it 10 times quicker either. There is an extra cost there, and hence the cost per ml, or litre, is that much greater.
Just multiplying the up the volume to get a comparative price per litre misses out on the other costs involved, not least of which will be the time spent getting the small quantity into the small bottle and labeling it, as well as the botte itself. I'm guessing that John does this by hand and it will be time consuming so there is the majority of your cost. If the flavour comes from the supplier in 5 litre containers, and you sell it in 100ml bottles, then that's 50 bottles to fill. If your flogging it in 10ml bottles, that's 500 bottles to fill. And just because its 10 times smaller doesn't mean you fill it 10 times quicker either. There is an extra cost there, and hence the cost per ml, or litre, is that much greater.
In reply to Post #49
£1 actually and no, I don't go to Costa as I like coffee!
£1 actually and no, I don't go to Costa as I like coffee!
In reply to Post #45
There is more that contributes to the cost of a product than simply the cost of raw materials. Rolling 10mm baits in any volume is a lot more time consuming and labour intensive. Probably a bit like selling 8ml flavours over 100ml bottles..
In his latest video John said he run out of 8ml bottles and had had to source some new ones. I would guess the price increase is linked to that.
Matt is right I've met john a few times he's a member of a lake I fish and he's a top man that makes bait for the love of it his day job pays the bills! He has no inclination in selling bait to anglers thst use 100kgs per year its aimed at bait enthusiasts who may not use as much bait and don't mind paying for quality
There is more that contributes to the cost of a product than simply the cost of raw materials. Rolling 10mm baits in any volume is a lot more time consuming and labour intensive. Probably a bit like selling 8ml flavours over 100ml bottles..
In his latest video John said he run out of 8ml bottles and had had to source some new ones. I would guess the price increase is linked to that.
Matt is right I've met john a few times he's a member of a lake I fish and he's a top man that makes bait for the love of it his day job pays the bills! He has no inclination in selling bait to anglers thst use 100kgs per year its aimed at bait enthusiasts who may not use as much bait and don't mind paying for quality
In reply to Post #54
That was my point lol
That was my point lol
In reply to Post #1
Ill still buy a few as I only roll hook baits so will get a few mixes out of the smaller bottles still.
I cant see why people are complaining. The more choice you have the better for the consumer I would say.
I have watched his recent video's and have also listened to a podcast he did and he really seems a nice genuine bloke and its great that he is starting to share that knowledge on social media. Especially when he has such a brilliant passion for what he does.
Ill still buy a few as I only roll hook baits so will get a few mixes out of the smaller bottles still.
I cant see why people are complaining. The more choice you have the better for the consumer I would say.
I have watched his recent video's and have also listened to a podcast he did and he really seems a nice genuine bloke and its great that he is starting to share that knowledge on social media. Especially when he has such a brilliant passion for what he does.
In reply to Post #39
Well said. I've used his flavours for years.
If you don't agree... don't buy. Very simple really.
Well said. I've used his flavours for years.
If you don't agree... don't buy. Very simple really.
I have used it for several seasons now after Matt made me some pops flavoured with JB Plum. It was almost a case of 'don't put the rod down'. Worked on every venue I took it to. Yes, it's expensive but at 1ml/kilo in freebies or half a ml per egg for custom hookbaits its very effective. Thanks, Matt!
In reply to Post #58
Am i noseblind I made afew different hookbaits/popups with JBs Plum, Caramell Banana and Pineapple Ester, using the recommended dosages for 1 egg mixes, using max 0.3ml. After drying, can´t smell anything Not covid related, btw 
Anyone else become noseblind, due to sniffing too much concentrated bait flavour, over time ???
Am i noseblind
I made afew different hookbaits/popups with JBs Plum, Caramell Banana and Pineapple Ester, using the recommended dosages for 1 egg mixes, using max 0.3ml. After drying, can´t smell anything Not covid related, btw Anyone else become noseblind, due to sniffing too much concentrated bait flavour, over time ???
In reply to Post #59
I use JB Plum at 3ml in one of my popup mix's!
Another one I use it at 1ml alongside 4ml of another flavour and you still get the plum coming through.
0.3ml might be a little low in order to smell anything.
Doesn't mean it won't work of course.
I use JB Plum at 3ml in one of my popup mix's!
Another one I use it at 1ml alongside 4ml of another flavour and you still get the plum coming through.
0.3ml might be a little low in order to smell anything.
Doesn't mean it won't work of course.
In reply to Post #60
Do you think John suggests levels for single hookbaits that are on the low side?
Do you think John suggests levels for single hookbaits that are on the low side?
In reply to Post #61
I think his recommendations for hookbaits are in-line with his recommended levels for feed bait.
But yes, he definitely airs on the low side with things.
I probably should have said- my mix's are not to accompany a matching feedbait. I use them as singles or by a bed of unrelated feed bait so higher levels work better in this instance in my opinion.
I think his recommendations for hookbaits are in-line with his recommended levels for feed bait.
But yes, he definitely airs on the low side with things.
I probably should have said- my mix's are not to accompany a matching feedbait. I use them as singles or by a bed of unrelated feed bait so higher levels work better in this instance in my opinion.
In reply to Post #59
0.3ml is on the low side. But your also correct you do get to a point things don't smell like they once did.
0.3ml is on the low side. But your also correct you do get to a point things don't smell like they once did.
In reply to Post #59
Weirdly enough, I've just started using johns baits and to an extent I do agree with you.
However, with certain base mixes comes different flavours levels. I tried using the plum to the exact dosage as recommended (I was using mainlines Polaris mix for spring high viz singles) After constant experimenting I've found out for the Polaris, use x3 the recommend doesage.
I've also made some corkball pop ups using the supermilk and TM1 (x2 recommended dosage) can't smell the TM1 that much but there is a slight whiff of it. I did air dry them for 72 hours so probably a bit dry!! However it did get me thinking as per johns videos. These silt pigs have better noses than us, especially under water and the thought of an over powered bait really started to make me cringe, their natural food isn't full of sweeteners and all sorts?
I do agree with your point though to an extent , but I also disagree, I think different base mixes require different levels of flavour, for example the Polaris provides no nutritional value and the flavour is extremely concealed inside the skin of the boilie. The minute the boilie is broken it is very potent. I'm not expert in bait rolling and do not claim to be either as I've only recently just started, I'd agree with johns recommended dosage when making freebies. When making hook baits I'd say x2 the recommended dosage If the base mix is of nutritional value, eg supermilk, milk and honey and any other food source. For non nutritional base mixes eg Polaris or maybe even ccmoore I'd triple the dosage.
Happy to give you a hand as I've made some great pop ups in little time, feel free to pm me
Weirdly enough, I've just started using johns baits and to an extent I do agree with you.
However, with certain base mixes comes different flavours levels. I tried using the plum to the exact dosage as recommended (I was using mainlines Polaris mix for spring high viz singles) After constant experimenting I've found out for the Polaris, use x3 the recommend doesage.
I've also made some corkball pop ups using the supermilk and TM1 (x2 recommended dosage) can't smell the TM1 that much but there is a slight whiff of it. I did air dry them for 72 hours so probably a bit dry!! However it did get me thinking as per johns videos. These silt pigs have better noses than us, especially under water and the thought of an over powered bait really started to make me cringe, their natural food isn't full of sweeteners and all sorts?
I do agree with your point though to an extent , but I also disagree, I think different base mixes require different levels of flavour, for example the Polaris provides no nutritional value and the flavour is extremely concealed inside the skin of the boilie. The minute the boilie is broken it is very potent. I'm not expert in bait rolling and do not claim to be either as I've only recently just started, I'd agree with johns recommended dosage when making freebies. When making hook baits I'd say x2 the recommended dosage If the base mix is of nutritional value, eg supermilk, milk and honey and any other food source. For non nutritional base mixes eg Polaris or maybe even ccmoore I'd triple the dosage.
Happy to give you a hand as I've made some great pop ups in little time, feel free to pm me
In reply to Post #64
Polaris provides no nutritional value... Any more info about hat?
Polaris provides no nutritional value... Any more info about hat?
Definitely concur about going nose blind after smelling flavours and making bait, usually until a family member walks through the front door and instantly protests to the apparent awful smell.
I'm sure John knows the general levels his flavours work best and has probably seen & heard many stories of more flavour = more bites kind of thing and a little less is more than likely better than over doing it.
That being said you do have to find the levels that work best on your waters.
I'm sure John knows the general levels his flavours work best and has probably seen & heard many stories of more flavour = more bites kind of thing and a little less is more than likely better than over doing it.
That being said you do have to find the levels that work best on your waters.
In reply to Post #65
Indeed it doesn't, it's not a ‘food source' such as a normal base mix e.g super milk, mainline cell etc. Difficult to explain.
Can't remember which video JB mentions this in so I'm going by his word
Indeed it doesn't, it's not a ‘food source' such as a normal base mix e.g super milk, mainline cell etc. Difficult to explain.
Can't remember which video JB mentions this in so I'm going by his word
In reply to Post #67
So it is made out of air? Because I cant imagine how it wouldnt have any nutritional value otherwise, especially if your idea of nutritional value is cell.
So it is made out of air? Because I cant imagine how it wouldnt have any nutritional value otherwise, especially if your idea of nutritional value is cell.
In reply to Post #68
It will contain Milks!
It will contain Milks!
In reply to Post #69
Ingredients: Soya Proteins, Milk Proteins, Wheat, Maize, Gluten, Inorganic Buoyancy Additive. Analysis: Crude protein 44,98%, Crude fats 12,8% etc... No nutritional value?
Ingredients: Soya Proteins, Milk Proteins, Wheat, Maize, Gluten, Inorganic Buoyancy Additive. Analysis: Crude protein 44,98%, Crude fats 12,8% etc... No nutritional value?
In reply to Post #70
I'm just going by what a top bait maker with 40+ years experience has said... JB might be right, he might be wrong.. don't shoot the messenger 
I'm just going by what a top bait maker with 40+ years experience has said... JB might be right, he might be wrong.. don't shoot the messenger
In reply to Post #59
You definitely get noseblind after making bait.
My ex used to moan like heck about the house stinking if I made bait when she was out, even though I had cleaned up. Liver and Trigga was not the sweetest smell...
0.3ml is very low for a hookbait, I would think that is at a ratio intended for a foodbait hookbait. If for hookbaits only I would use the same quantity of flavour for a 1 egg mix as recommended for 6 eggs.
I honestly don't think proprietary pop-up mixes are particularly nutritious, although if you mix it with your standard base mix you will improve it; you then have the joy of trying to work out what quantity of pop-up mix to add to your base mix to get a pop-up.
You definitely get noseblind after making bait.
My ex used to moan like heck about the house stinking if I made bait when she was out, even though I had cleaned up. Liver and Trigga was not the sweetest smell...
0.3ml is very low for a hookbait, I would think that is at a ratio intended for a foodbait hookbait. If for hookbaits only I would use the same quantity of flavour for a 1 egg mix as recommended for 6 eggs.
I honestly don't think proprietary pop-up mixes are particularly nutritious, although if you mix it with your standard base mix you will improve it; you then have the joy of trying to work out what quantity of pop-up mix to add to your base mix to get a pop-up.
In reply to Post #70
I was agreeing with you!
I was agreeing with you!
In reply to Post #72
1ml Plum seems to work well with Polaris. So 3x the recommended amount.
1ml Plum seems to work well with Polaris. So 3x the recommended amount.
In reply to Post #70
Thats a lot of fat for something largely based on protein.
Thats a lot of fat for something largely based on protein.
In reply to Post #72
In one of his recent videos he discusses hookbait making and says he didn't believe in his opinion that higher levels were needed. As such ,when he goes onto recommend a mix in the video, I interpreted that it was a "match the Hatch" standard recipe using 0.2ml
However he does say in many of the videos to go out and experiment for yourself to find what suits best
In one of his recent videos he discusses hookbait making and says he didn't believe in his opinion that higher levels were needed. As such ,when he goes onto recommend a mix in the video, I interpreted that it was a "match the Hatch" standard recipe using 0.2ml
However he does say in many of the videos to go out and experiment for yourself to find what suits best
There's a video he creates some bait, he goes onto say about how he tried someone's bait and it didn't taste nice at all. And his bait tastes amazing. I don't fully understand the reasoning behind this as surely anything in a carps natural environment doesn't taste nice to us ? Cray fish, snails, bloodworm and many other things.
I admire the man and he's a pioneer but this didn't make sense to me at all. Surely a Carps pallet is nothing like ours. If we taste something as bitter to them it could be ideal. I no it's part of the whole sales pitch but it's basically saying anything other than nice tasting baits are useless.
I admire the man and he's a pioneer but this didn't make sense to me at all. Surely a Carps pallet is nothing like ours. If we taste something as bitter to them it could be ideal. I no it's part of the whole sales pitch but it's basically saying anything other than nice tasting baits are useless.
In reply to Post #77
I doubt if garlic and N butyric would taste too good. Catches fish though.
I doubt if garlic and N butyric would taste too good. Catches fish though.
In reply to Post #77
Agreed, big admirer of Johns work in the industry and his knowledge, but I'm with you, didn't really understand this point.
I'm sure krill would taste rank to us, catches fish everywhere though..
Agreed, big admirer of Johns work in the industry and his knowledge, but I'm with you, didn't really understand this point.
I'm sure krill would taste rank to us, catches fish everywhere though..
In reply to Post #79
He does seem to view everything in very black and white terms.
He does seem to view everything in very black and white terms.
John is old school, i grew up with hutchy and flavours, don't place much importance on them these days, carp don't either!
"look to nature"
"look to nature"
In reply to Post #77
I couldnt understand that either, i remember chewing a few activ8's back in the day and they tasted like old pants to me, but they caught untold amounts of fish, so im sorry, as good as the man is, he's talking out of school on this one.
I couldnt understand that either, i remember chewing a few activ8's back in the day and they tasted like old pants to me, but they caught untold amounts of fish, so im sorry, as good as the man is, he's talking out of school on this one.
Some interesting reading. I've had a couple of chats with him over the years, same as anybody can and if anybody plans on using his baits I would recommend that they do the same. The man was more than helpful and you get it straight from the horses mouth as they say which is perfect for me
I think he believes in the ultimate nutritional food bait, which is my preference and based on a carps sensitivity the flavour recommendations are based agains these, too much and they can have a repellent effect. If people want to try them at high levels and they work, so be it.
I have tried hook bait batches with higher levels to try and get a more instant approach and cannot honestly say it made much difference. Don't tell him though, I once talked about adding a couple of my favourite ingredients and he gave me a bollocking, don't mess with it!
If it's top quality ingredients you want, look no further, expensive but less can be more
Can't knock a man with a passion
I think he believes in the ultimate nutritional food bait, which is my preference and based on a carps sensitivity the flavour recommendations are based agains these, too much and they can have a repellent effect. If people want to try them at high levels and they work, so be it.
I have tried hook bait batches with higher levels to try and get a more instant approach and cannot honestly say it made much difference. Don't tell him though, I once talked about adding a couple of my favourite ingredients and he gave me a bollocking, don't mess with it!
If it's top quality ingredients you want, look no further, expensive but less can be more
Can't knock a man with a passion
In reply to Post #81
There's some truth in that, I've used baits with no flavours added and compared them with baits that do and not noticed any increase in captures with the flavoured baits.
A good base mix will attract on it own, especially if not boiled for too long.
Same with the over flavoured hook baits
There's some truth in that, I've used baits with no flavours added and compared them with baits that do and not noticed any increase in captures with the flavoured baits.
A good base mix will attract on it own, especially if not boiled for too long.
Same with the over flavoured hook baits
The flavor scene catches more anglers than carp and most of it is load of old bull especially when you can catch on plastics and foam
In reply to Post #85
Exactly , I think flavours when used in a low nutrition bait help, but in a good nutritional bait they are nothing at all except expense.
Exactly , I think flavours when used in a low nutrition bait help, but in a good nutritional bait they are nothing at all except expense.
In reply to Post #85
There´s much more to flavours than smell. Look beyond "the sniff", and concentrate on the investigative triggers ... the organic acids, lactones, ketones, esters, phenols etc, that tickle the carps chemoreceptors. I use flavours for hookbaits/popups, and do agree, that u don´t need any flavour in your free offerings, provided your basemix ticks most of the boxes.
Proper flavours work, and do the job ... others just smell nice in the tub, gimmicks
There´s much more to flavours than smell. Look beyond "the sniff", and concentrate on the investigative triggers ... the organic acids, lactones, ketones, esters, phenols etc, that tickle the carps chemoreceptors. I use flavours for hookbaits/popups, and do agree, that u don´t need any flavour in your free offerings, provided your basemix ticks most of the boxes.
Proper flavours work, and do the job ... others just smell nice in the tub, gimmicks
In reply to Post #87
That's the point isn't it
Everyone sniffs them, but you need to taste and look further. I said once before about a certain flavour test I did several years ago. We made a nice food bait and tried 10ml of a flavour per dry kg of basemix (stunk the van out with a kilo in a sealed bag), the fish loved it. Then 7ml, 5ml, 3ml........results the same every time. Because the good basemix and liquids were doing all the work. But as frank Warwick stated, when fishing singles he went crazy with flavour levels and they out catch the lower level versions.
My take on it is a good food bait is key to repetitive feeding but when I'm chasing fish with no freebies I want something with a bit more attractants in it. Also our versions of what is strong and what is weak is a wide open discussion
That's the point isn't it
Everyone sniffs them, but you need to taste and look further. I said once before about a certain flavour test I did several years ago. We made a nice food bait and tried 10ml of a flavour per dry kg of basemix (stunk the van out with a kilo in a sealed bag), the fish loved it. Then 7ml, 5ml, 3ml........results the same every time. Because the good basemix and liquids were doing all the work. But as frank Warwick stated, when fishing singles he went crazy with flavour levels and they out catch the lower level versions.
My take on it is a good food bait is key to repetitive feeding but when I'm chasing fish with no freebies I want something with a bit more attractants in it. Also our versions of what is strong and what is weak is a wide open discussion
In reply to Post #88
I have never used a bait that i have never tasted first.
And i have used some stinkers with some ingredients that'd make you spew.
Only by tasting can you get the full effect of the liquids, spices and enhancers and be able to better assess the levels.
I have never used a bait that i have never tasted first.
And i have used some stinkers with some ingredients that'd make you spew.
Only by tasting can you get the full effect of the liquids, spices and enhancers and be able to better assess the levels.
I have a bait that has a nice fruity sweet taste to start with but leaves a bitter after taste due to high levels of liver and yeasts. The bait uses 10ml of a combination of flavours and essential oils. Caught everywhere and only used around 10-15 baits recently over a rod in really cold spell and the fish caught were passing the bait instantly so they obviously enjoyed it. To me it's slightly more bitter than I like to taste personally but I wouldn't alter it because it catches so well.
In reply to Post #90
When I was a skint teenager, we used to use a soya/semo boilie with no colour or flavour, in the extremely muddy T&M canal... Put any freebies out and the bream would be a problem, so they were fished as single hookbaits, on the deck... Caught plenty like this, as location was spot on, but they still had to find the bait... To a human there was little smell or taste to it but the carp could find it easily enough, and with visibility/clarity at about 2” or so...
Subsequently, in later years we went on to fish Redesmere, where the high attract single “on the chuck” was a very popular and effective method, with all sorts of experimentation around flavours, levels and colours... I believe this is where Frank first started mucking around with the idea, and Trev's sold the little blister packs of fizz/harvest shortly afterwards... A million miles from those canal baits but it just shows that they'll find ‘em at either end of the spectrum - a really, really effective one is what we're after, however...
When I was a skint teenager, we used to use a soya/semo boilie with no colour or flavour, in the extremely muddy T&M canal... Put any freebies out and the bream would be a problem, so they were fished as single hookbaits, on the deck... Caught plenty like this, as location was spot on, but they still had to find the bait... To a human there was little smell or taste to it but the carp could find it easily enough, and with visibility/clarity at about 2” or so...
Subsequently, in later years we went on to fish Redesmere, where the high attract single “on the chuck” was a very popular and effective method, with all sorts of experimentation around flavours, levels and colours... I believe this is where Frank first started mucking around with the idea, and Trev's sold the little blister packs of fizz/harvest shortly afterwards... A million miles from those canal baits but it just shows that they'll find ‘em at either end of the spectrum - a really, really effective one is what we're after, however...
I've always had the thought that the base mix is the attractor and the flavour/attractant etc was just a label prob harking back to Fred Wiltons thinking . I go back to the days when we used ground up cat biscuits and trout pellets and no flavour and caught thousands of carp, i'm guessing John Baker has the same thinking process "less is more" perhaps we underestimate just how sensitive a fishes sensory organs are?
In reply to Post #92
There's plenty of flavour in ground up cat biscuits and trout pellets. Just not “strawberry” or any other flavour that carp anglers like 👍 I too am of the school of a flavour is just a label to differentiate from other anglers baits as back in day we all mostly used the same base mixes. Certain flavours though definitely attract on their own imho
There's plenty of flavour in ground up cat biscuits and trout pellets. Just not “strawberry” or any other flavour that carp anglers like 👍 I too am of the school of a flavour is just a label to differentiate from other anglers baits as back in day we all mostly used the same base mixes. Certain flavours though definitely attract on their own imho
In reply to Post #93
Completely agree. Combine good flavour combos with the right colour and you have something that will get bites when fishing over bait fails
Completely agree. Combine good flavour combos with the right colour and you have something that will get bites when fishing over bait fails
In reply to Post #94
Definitely 👍 and the fun part is the experimentation and application. Although not always needed I never leave home without a pot or three!
Definitely 👍 and the fun part is the experimentation and application. Although not always needed I never leave home without a pot or three!
So, I was having a nosy on Johns site, looking at the flavours and other stuff as you do 
I came across this. Thought I would share it Flavours
Some people may find it interesting,,especially the ones paying a fortune for the old oxidised flavours £
I came across this. Thought I would share it Flavours
Some people may find it interesting,,especially the ones paying a fortune for the old oxidised flavours £
In reply to Post #96
New to this but looking at his site wanting to make a paste for cork balls can anyone give me the list of what I need to Order I know which flavour etc but base mix etc would be a help ?
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New to this but looking at his site wanting to make a paste for cork balls can anyone give me the list of what I need to Order I know which flavour etc but base mix etc would be a help ?
😁😁😁
In reply to Post #97
If you look mate he now does small bags of base mix with added egg albumen what he is selling as hookbait mixes. They may be sieved,? You would have to call him and find out, plus he will give you all the advise you need, including flavour selection and levels etc
Start with flavour combinations and it really is down to the angler, and if the fish like it
So in summary, a hook bait mix and flavours, he may recommended an hydroslate too etc
If you look mate he now does small bags of base mix with added egg albumen what he is selling as hookbait mixes. They may be sieved,? You would have to call him and find out, plus he will give you all the advise you need, including flavour selection and levels etc
Start with flavour combinations and it really is down to the angler, and if the fish like it
So in summary, a hook bait mix and flavours, he may recommended an hydroslate too etc
In reply to Post #97
As said he does hook bait mixes now, sieved with added hardeners.
As said he does hook bait mixes now, sieved with added hardeners.
In reply to Post #97
Check out his videos on Youtube. Will give you all the info you need.
Check out his videos on Youtube. Will give you all the info you need.
In reply to Post #100
Buttermilk hook bait mix
Plum
Milky 1
Is in my basket just not sure weather I need anything else additive etc
Buttermilk hook bait mix
Plum
Milky 1
Is in my basket just not sure weather I need anything else additive etc
In reply to Post #101
Read the suggested recipes on his website - that will tell you what to add. Or contact him about them.
Read the suggested recipes on his website - that will tell you what to add. Or contact him about them.
In reply to Post #102
The mini bottles of flavour are back up on website now
The mini bottles of flavour are back up on website now
In reply to Post #102
Ended up ordering specialised hookbaits S2 cork balls...saved money and a lot of hassle lol plus I feel these are gonna be of better standard and quality than anything I can roll
Ended up ordering specialised hookbaits S2 cork balls...saved money and a lot of hassle lol plus I feel these are gonna be of better standard and quality than anything I can roll
In reply to Post #104
Catching a fish on a homemade bait/hookbait will give you a far greater sense of achievement than any shop or web sold bait, from a cost perspective you've paid for a pot the base mix + additives would have provided multiple pots different shapes and buoyancy.
Each to their own
Michael
Catching a fish on a homemade bait/hookbait will give you a far greater sense of achievement than any shop or web sold bait, from a cost perspective you've paid for a pot the base mix + additives would have provided multiple pots different shapes and buoyancy.
Each to their own
Michael
In reply to Post #105
The prep/work that goes into them S2's I couldn't ever get close too I'm also not spending as much money - no brainier
The prep/work that goes into them S2's I couldn't ever get close too I'm also not spending as much money - no brainier
In reply to Post #106
Now available at £3.95, and rising.
Now available at £3.95, and rising.
In reply to Post #107
Not profiteering though......
Not profiteering though......
In reply to Post #108
Definitely not. Only gone up 33% in the last few weeks. Obviously produced in late 1920's Germany with that type of hyperinflation.....
Definitely not. Only gone up 33% in the last few weeks. Obviously produced in late 1920's Germany with that type of hyperinflation.....
In reply to Post #109
But if you could “get away with it” - wouldn't you? He's not running a charity. Look how uk air b'n'b's and holiday venues are putting up their prices this year because demand is going to waaaaaay outstrip supply......
But if you could “get away with it” - wouldn't you? He's not running a charity. Look how uk air b'n'b's and holiday venues are putting up their prices this year because demand is going to waaaaaay outstrip supply......
In reply to Post #110
Different concept. With air b n b, the supply is limited by the quantity of property. The only limiting factor here is 8ml glass bottles, not the contents. Equivalent of £500 a litre now (including the bottle obviously...).
Good flavours without a doubt though, some of them.
Different concept. With air b n b, the supply is limited by the quantity of property. The only limiting factor here is 8ml glass bottles, not the contents. Equivalent of £500 a litre now (including the bottle obviously...).
Good flavours without a doubt though, some of them.
In reply to Post #111
Same concept - they can get away with it 🤷🏻♀️
I'm sure JB cant be arsed to go thru all the faff to only make a quid.
Same concept - they can get away with it 🤷🏻♀️
I'm sure JB cant be arsed to go thru all the faff to only make a quid.
In reply to Post #112
We will have to agree to disagree then.
I guess the point that others and myself are making, is really, how much is too much for an 8ml sample bottle?
Perhaps I'm just thinking back to going into Reading Angling in the mid 80s and buying a 50ml bottle of Catchum flavour for £1.50 though!
We will have to agree to disagree then.
I guess the point that others and myself are making, is really, how much is too much for an 8ml sample bottle?
Perhaps I'm just thinking back to going into Reading Angling in the mid 80s and buying a 50ml bottle of Catchum flavour for £1.50 though!
He obviously values his hourly wage above the minimum wage and why not .
What do you who are saying it is “profiteering” feel is an acceptable price for these ?
What do you who are saying it is “profiteering” feel is an acceptable price for these ?
My take on it is he knows what the flavours cost to make per batch, let's say 10L so knows what the cost per ml is, cost of bottle is, time it takes to fill said bottle and what he wants to make out of it to make it worth his while (nothing wrong with this and this is how business works)
When he first done the 8ml samples everything was taken into account. Cost of flavour, bottle, time and profit. He came up with the price of £2.50 per 8ml bottle and they sold out straight away. Now realising how popular they are the price has increased over 50% 🤷🏻♂️ This is profiteering in my eyes just the same as you getting an Uber home from the pub every Friday for £10 but New Years Eve the same trip is now £50. Did the cost of fuel, time etc all of a sudden 5x
I'm sure if a tackle company bought out a new bivvy for £500 and on the second batch it was £750 there would be plenty to be said about it
When he first done the 8ml samples everything was taken into account. Cost of flavour, bottle, time and profit. He came up with the price of £2.50 per 8ml bottle and they sold out straight away. Now realising how popular they are the price has increased over 50% 🤷🏻♂️ This is profiteering in my eyes just the same as you getting an Uber home from the pub every Friday for £10 but New Years Eve the same trip is now £50. Did the cost of fuel, time etc all of a sudden 5x
I'm sure if a tackle company bought out a new bivvy for £500 and on the second batch it was £750 there would be plenty to be said about it
In reply to Post #113
£1.50? You could buy a house back then for that!
I'm sure if a tackle company bought out a new bivvy for £500 and on the second batch it was £750 there would be plenty to be said about it
Yeah, especially as £500 for a glorified tent is profiteering in the first place....
£1.50? You could buy a house back then for that!
I'm sure if a tackle company bought out a new bivvy for £500 and on the second batch it was £750 there would be plenty to be said about it
Yeah, especially as £500 for a glorified tent is profiteering in the first place....
In reply to Post #116
Not really as that's the price they have decided they want for their product, it's then up to the consumer to decide if they want it or not
Regarding these flavours in particular, the cost has gone from £2.49 to £3.50 to £3.95 in a couple of weeks. Now if cost of ingredients have gone unexpectedly in these last couple of weeks then fair enough. But if you are just raising your prices to see what you can get away with because your product is popular (like the uber example) then that's just a piss take
Not wanting to single out John in particular and in no way knocking what he does as I think we can all agree he's one of the best at what he does. But he was obviously happy with his margins at £2.49 but then upped the price to £3.50 and now £3.95 plus the £3.85 postage
Not really as that's the price they have decided they want for their product, it's then up to the consumer to decide if they want it or not
Regarding these flavours in particular, the cost has gone from £2.49 to £3.50 to £3.95 in a couple of weeks. Now if cost of ingredients have gone unexpectedly in these last couple of weeks then fair enough. But if you are just raising your prices to see what you can get away with because your product is popular (like the uber example) then that's just a piss take
Not wanting to single out John in particular and in no way knocking what he does as I think we can all agree he's one of the best at what he does. But he was obviously happy with his margins at £2.49 but then upped the price to £3.50 and now £3.95 plus the £3.85 postage
In reply to Post #117
Or he really undervalued the length of time it was going to take to decant and label and a pain on the arris to send out all these little bottles with the queues at the post office.
Or the fact that the price of the bottles may have shot through the roof to purchase from the suppliers
Wait until the next lot of tackle comes through on the slow boat and see the costs then lol
Or he really undervalued the length of time it was going to take to decant and label and a pain on the arris to send out all these little bottles with the queues at the post office.
Or the fact that the price of the bottles may have shot through the roof to purchase from the suppliers
Wait until the next lot of tackle comes through on the slow boat and see the costs then lol
In reply to Post #118
But surely as an already established business he has his cost of product per ml nailed down, cost of bottles nailed down, time to fill the bottles nailed down. That's how he came to the price of £2.49?
Or are you telling me a businessman just guessed at £2.49 hoping he was right and now realising he is wildly out of the ball park so upped his prices
But surely as an already established business he has his cost of product per ml nailed down, cost of bottles nailed down, time to fill the bottles nailed down. That's how he came to the price of £2.49?
Or are you telling me a businessman just guessed at £2.49 hoping he was right and now realising he is wildly out of the ball park so upped his prices
In reply to Post #119
Not necessarily
I bet he has to bottle it all by hand as he isn't automated
I've seen some of the queues outside the post office waiting to post stuff.
The pandemic shut down has exaggerated this because people are still buying stuff on the internet
Like I said wait until the next slow boat comes in and see what you will be paying for stuff then
This is the tip of the iceberg
It's all about whether you want to pay it or not.
How much is a 50mm bottle of mulberry florentine or autumn fizz going for
That's profiteering lol
Not necessarily
I bet he has to bottle it all by hand as he isn't automated
I've seen some of the queues outside the post office waiting to post stuff.
The pandemic shut down has exaggerated this because people are still buying stuff on the internet
Like I said wait until the next slow boat comes in and see what you will be paying for stuff then
This is the tip of the iceberg
It's all about whether you want to pay it or not.
How much is a 50mm bottle of mulberry florentine or autumn fizz going for
That's profiteering lol
In reply to Post #120
The bottling by hand argument is irrelevant.
If he bottles by hand he bottles by hand. This would of all been costed in to the original price of £2.49. The argument of the slow boat from China is also relatively mute as he doesn't import his flavours from China and re package. Like I've said before I'm not knocking him or his products
But..... let's say he decides to go down the 8ml bottle route at 10 bottles per flavour at £2.49 and they take 2 years to shift. Is the next lot of 8ml bottles coming out at more than the first lot? I'd say no. This is down to pure greed in the fact the first lot of 8ml flavours sold out straight away so now pushing the price to see what people will pay and that price will now be the new price
Again go back to a tackle manufacturer bringing out a bivvy for £500, let's say 100 units, them
100 units are gonna make a profit. If them 100 units took 2 weeks to sell and the next 100 bivvys were being sold at £750 there would be a stink. If the original 100 units took 2 years to shift do you think the next 100 units would be priced at £750?
The bottling by hand argument is irrelevant.
If he bottles by hand he bottles by hand. This would of all been costed in to the original price of £2.49. The argument of the slow boat from China is also relatively mute as he doesn't import his flavours from China and re package. Like I've said before I'm not knocking him or his products
But..... let's say he decides to go down the 8ml bottle route at 10 bottles per flavour at £2.49 and they take 2 years to shift. Is the next lot of 8ml bottles coming out at more than the first lot? I'd say no. This is down to pure greed in the fact the first lot of 8ml flavours sold out straight away so now pushing the price to see what people will pay and that price will now be the new price
Again go back to a tackle manufacturer bringing out a bivvy for £500, let's say 100 units, them
100 units are gonna make a profit. If them 100 units took 2 weeks to sell and the next 100 bivvys were being sold at £750 there would be a stink. If the original 100 units took 2 years to shift do you think the next 100 units would be priced at £750?
Brilliant for his business short term just hope it don't come back to bite him. He'll price him self out. Every flavour I've used from catchit labs has been just as good at the recommend level and holds in the bait when boiled. A lot cheaper and does the job as good.
Hello , I bought JB flavour CRAB but my boilies don't smell.
I increased dosage 2ml/ 2 eggs but the same problem.
I tried steaming/ 20 mm - 10 min / and boiling/90 second/ but the problem still continues.
Any idea how to solve it ?
Sorry for my english language.
Thanks.
I increased dosage 2ml/ 2 eggs but the same problem.
I tried steaming/ 20 mm - 10 min / and boiling/90 second/ but the problem still continues.
Any idea how to solve it ?
Sorry for my english language.
Thanks.
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