Hi all. What with the cold weather descending on us i was looking at ways of warming the bivvy up. I know the small portable gas camping heaters are an option but I really don't fancy a gas one in the bivvy (or am I being over cautious?)
My question, is anyone using or know of a good alternative, ie rechargeable battery ones? I know theirs some good power packs with solar panels on the market at the mo and you could use a small low wattage fan heater plugged into the power pack, trouble is some of the power packs aren't cheap and you'd need a top of the range one in order to get a few hours out of it before it needs recharging.
Any suggestions be much appreciated (oh and thermals, hot water bottles etc are ok but wanna take the boy and he feels the cold)
My question, is anyone using or know of a good alternative, ie rechargeable battery ones? I know theirs some good power packs with solar panels on the market at the mo and you could use a small low wattage fan heater plugged into the power pack, trouble is some of the power packs aren't cheap and you'd need a top of the range one in order to get a few hours out of it before it needs recharging.
Any suggestions be much appreciated (oh and thermals, hot water bottles etc are ok but wanna take the boy and he feels the cold)
In reply to Post #1
You should never run a gas stove or heater inside your bivvy. It's a well documented killer.
Dress appropriately, eat well, don't endanger yourself.
You should never run a gas stove or heater inside your bivvy. It's a well documented killer.
Dress appropriately, eat well, don't endanger yourself.
Bought me a Seven Oaks heater, i am going to do two 7-day night sessions in November/December
If I leave the door 3/4 open and the opposite window slightly open on my Frontier XD is this safe enough?
I'm terrified of Gas, last year a fisherman with us in Belgium died in his fishing van due to co-poisoning
After a long time of hesitation i now bought one and chose the Seven Oaks because of the Co2 and tip-over protection.
Gonne do 2x 7 night sessions in November/December
If I leave the door 3/4 open and the opposite window slightly open on my Frontier XD is this safe enough?
I'm terrified of Gas, last year a fisherman with us in Belgium died in his fishing van due to co-poisoning
After a long time of hesitation i now bought one and chose the Seven Oaks because of the Co2 and tip-over protection.
Gonne do 2x 7 night sessions in November/December
In reply to Post #1
I had a black cat bivvy heater years ago but it was a waste of time as you need to have the door up to ensure you don't gas yourself. Personally you would be better with a heated blanket (Nash,Avid) or even the heated cushion that solar do. I find this to be brilliant. Amazing how warm you feel when sat on a heated cushion. Alternatively nothing wrong with a hot water bottle or two and you can get extra large ones off Amazon that are great.
I had a black cat bivvy heater years ago but it was a waste of time as you need to have the door up to ensure you don't gas yourself. Personally you would be better with a heated blanket (Nash,Avid) or even the heated cushion that solar do. I find this to be brilliant. Amazing how warm you feel when sat on a heated cushion. Alternatively nothing wrong with a hot water bottle or two and you can get extra large ones off Amazon that are great.
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Id never use one in my bivvy - but I love a winter bbq with a fire log (Buy from most supermarkets theyll last around 45 minutes) on top and ill happily sit outside until its time to retire
Ive also got a solo stove mesa which is a genius bit of kit and tend to use that camping butr principle is the same (think of a table top fire pit) google or you tube for reviews slighltly biugger than a pint pot - burns wood or pellets gives off no smoke and is small and compact both do the job adequately but not to be used in the bivvy
Id never use one in my bivvy - but I love a winter bbq with a fire log (Buy from most supermarkets theyll last around 45 minutes) on top and ill happily sit outside until its time to retire
Ive also got a solo stove mesa which is a genius bit of kit and tend to use that camping butr principle is the same (think of a table top fire pit) google or you tube for reviews slighltly biugger than a pint pot - burns wood or pellets gives off no smoke and is small and compact both do the job adequately but not to be used in the bivvy
I don't use a gas heater, I'm too paranoid, but for all of yours safety, if you do decide to buy one please just buy a carbon monoxide detector.
I think you can buy them on Amazon for £13, plus some batteries.
We spend so much time spending enormous amounts of fishing equipment, so £13 isn't going to kill you, but the gas heater might.
I think you can buy them on Amazon for £13, plus some batteries.
We spend so much time spending enormous amounts of fishing equipment, so £13 isn't going to kill you, but the gas heater might.
In reply to Post #1
I invested in some ZT Nash winter wear and the carp spirit thermal cover..
Can't feel the cold using that..
Ok a quick 5 min blast with your stove on helps before getting in the bed but apart from that nothing is really needed
I invested in some ZT Nash winter wear and the carp spirit thermal cover..
Can't feel the cold using that..
Ok a quick 5 min blast with your stove on helps before getting in the bed but apart from that nothing is really needed
Absolutely no need for a bivvy heater of ANY kind...
The availability of good thermal clothing, sleeping bags and covers, good food and hot drinks means that there is everything you need to sit out in winter.
If your kit isnt adequate then don't go, or if it turns dodgy then just go home.
The availability of good thermal clothing, sleeping bags and covers, good food and hot drinks means that there is everything you need to sit out in winter.
If your kit isnt adequate then don't go, or if it turns dodgy then just go home.
As long as I stay under the sleeping bag everything is okay, but I hardly sleep at night when I go night fishing (max 1 hour), read a lot during the night or watch TV on the tablet, so then I don't lie completely under the sleeping bag, it is mainly for those moments that i was looking for extra warmth.
Is the Seven oaks heater so bad then? they are sold as the safest tent stove ever!
Is the Seven oaks heater so bad then? they are sold as the safest tent stove ever!
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They say safer not safe. It has an oxygen depletion device but if your asleep or drop off will it let you no your being gassed out?
Just no need to ever take the risk, where sensible clothing good food as mentioned or go home. It's a hobby not a survival exercise.
They say safer not safe. It has an oxygen depletion device but if your asleep or drop off will it let you no your being gassed out?
Just no need to ever take the risk, where sensible clothing good food as mentioned or go home. It's a hobby not a survival exercise.
In reply to Post #9
Wear a snugpak jacket you'll be warm enough.
Wear a snugpak jacket you'll be warm enough.
In reply to Post #1
Second Skin base layer
Long sleeved Tshirt
Hoody
Snugpak or similar Gilet
A good 5 season bag
Peachskin bedchair cover
Self Inflating Mattress
Groundsheet
Zip in front
Good hot food & a bladder full of hot tea.
No need for a bivvy heater.
Second Skin base layer
Long sleeved Tshirt
Hoody
Snugpak or similar Gilet
A good 5 season bag
Peachskin bedchair cover
Self Inflating Mattress
Groundsheet
Zip in front
Good hot food & a bladder full of hot tea.
No need for a bivvy heater.
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Like the magic twig,like drones no place in fishing for bivvy heaters. They are dangerous.
Layer up well as said on this thread...
Like the magic twig,like drones no place in fishing for bivvy heaters. They are dangerous.
Layer up well as said on this thread...
each to their own BUT it has to be said todays carpers are a bunch of total wimps
COMPARED to old school anglers that was when we actually had COLD winters FFS with the global warming the winters are mild as F*** ?
when have you ever woke up to find you cant make a cuppa because your water bottle froze in the night ? we slept under an open brolly lump of canvas over the bag and blankets
and NOW !!! you lot have got much better more efficient clothing Buffalo ,Snugpak Prologic suits etc and top quality 5 season sleeping bags and yet still poor little loves zip up the doors ?? and F****** heaters stay home
JUST SAYING HOW IT IS
INCOMING
COMPARED to old school anglers that was when we actually had COLD winters FFS with the global warming the winters are mild as F*** ?
when have you ever woke up to find you cant make a cuppa because your water bottle froze in the night ? we slept under an open brolly lump of canvas over the bag and blankets
and NOW !!! you lot have got much better more efficient clothing Buffalo ,Snugpak Prologic suits etc and top quality 5 season sleeping bags and yet still poor little loves zip up the doors ?? and F****** heaters stay home
JUST SAYING HOW IT IS
INCOMING
In reply to Post #14
I have had frozen water and frozen milk a few times.
I used to do sub zero nights under a 45" brolly with home made storm sides, on an argos lounger, a crappy thin g10 that had almost no feathers left, a wooly bear suit that the wind whistled through, rigger boots and 2 pairs of wooly socks.
A normal night is one hat, a COLD night is two hats... the extra layer makes a difference.
Bivvy heaters, pah... Kids these days
I have had frozen water and frozen milk a few times.
I used to do sub zero nights under a 45" brolly with home made storm sides, on an argos lounger, a crappy thin g10 that had almost no feathers left, a wooly bear suit that the wind whistled through, rigger boots and 2 pairs of wooly socks.
A normal night is one hat, a COLD night is two hats... the extra layer makes a difference.
Bivvy heaters, pah... Kids these days
In reply to Post #14
I agree with Gerry and Baitman, wear the right gear and man up or go home.
Bivvy heaters are a no no.
I agree with Gerry and Baitman, wear the right gear and man up or go home.
Bivvy heaters are a no no.
In reply to Post #14
Very true.. I can't remember the last time it was properly cold.
Most winters were waking up to the lake frozen, the kettle solid and when packing down the overwrap it kept its shape 🥶🥶
Very true.. I can't remember the last time it was properly cold.
Most winters were waking up to the lake frozen, the kettle solid and when packing down the overwrap it kept its shape 🥶🥶
Lay off the bivvy heaters' there has been some tragic news on here over the years, ain't with it 
As mentioned there is some top quality clothing about nowadays, couple this with a good quality sleep suit, no need for heaters, if it's a must then you can take the chill out of the air with a stove on a morning but my advise would be to leave these outside the tent too, my Coleman was passing fuel at one point, not good
I thought it was all about been in the great outdoors!
As mentioned there is some top quality clothing about nowadays, couple this with a good quality sleep suit, no need for heaters, if it's a must then you can take the chill out of the air with a stove on a morning but my advise would be to leave these outside the tent too, my Coleman was passing fuel at one point, not good
I thought it was all about been in the great outdoors!
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i wouldnt use a heater or anything in a bivvy personally
i wouldnt use a heater or anything in a bivvy personally
I'm with everyone don't bother with heater,take warm clothing with you because you can put it on ir take it off if you have it with you,to risky with a heater I've just bought a wrap for my trakker(last week)it helps with less condensation and a little bit of extra warmth too.
I remember catching carp on the river in Southampton 10 plus years ago it was -5 but coldest I used to fish was when me & my brother used to go fishing when we were younger snow on ground half a lake with a lid on even on a Christmas Day morning and enjoyed it because we were warm.
I remember catching carp on the river in Southampton 10 plus years ago it was -5 but coldest I used to fish was when me & my brother used to go fishing when we were younger snow on ground half a lake with a lid on even on a Christmas Day morning and enjoyed it because we were warm.
I said it on here after the last news of someone being killed by carbon monoxide because of a heater in a bivvy. There was loads of people saying how dangerous and stupid it was.
My comment was despite all the arguments against, despite all the proof of how dangerous it is, despite the death of yet another angler, that if you were to fast forward to the next winter yet again there would be another “What's the best bivvy heater type thread”.
Sometimes being proved right isn't satisfying at all
My comment was despite all the arguments against, despite all the proof of how dangerous it is, despite the death of yet another angler, that if you were to fast forward to the next winter yet again there would be another “What's the best bivvy heater type thread”.
Sometimes being proved right isn't satisfying at all
See my post 5
Fire log on the bbq or Mesa solo stove (thank me later) - sit outside all night in comfort and no risk of death
That aside
thermals - decent bib n brace, good bag - cover if needed, groundsheet, wrap
If your still bothered stay at home
Fire log on the bbq or Mesa solo stove (thank me later) - sit outside all night in comfort and no risk of death
That aside
thermals - decent bib n brace, good bag - cover if needed, groundsheet, wrap
If your still bothered stay at home
Yesterday I made a post on Facebook about the Seven Oaks heater in a Dutch group, one of the answers from a Facebook user:
Also use it in a Fox Xd, it is super safe and great heat. It also measures the CO2 and is secured. Just buy it, you won't regret it. Ps and I put it on with everything sealed, still alive after using it for two years 😁
Would of course never use it without ventilation, and call me a sissy, but I have experienced enough bare winters as an ex-military such as in ex-Yugoslavia.
But as I get older and the medication I inject for my autoimmune disease means that my resistance is much less, in terms of clothing, etc. I have everything I need to get through a bare winter, but I do an average of +10 72 hour sessions in the winter. where I also spend a lot of time in the bivvy.
You can dress as warmly as you want, but it is not comfortable at all, and I am not even talking about the times when you get a rain shower in the winter and you have to change clothes in the cold, I think a bivvy heater is much more pleasant, if that makes you less of a man lol then I think back to my military time and have a good laugh with keyboard heroes
Also use it in a Fox Xd, it is super safe and great heat. It also measures the CO2 and is secured. Just buy it, you won't regret it. Ps and I put it on with everything sealed, still alive after using it for two years 😁
Would of course never use it without ventilation, and call me a sissy, but I have experienced enough bare winters as an ex-military such as in ex-Yugoslavia.
But as I get older and the medication I inject for my autoimmune disease means that my resistance is much less, in terms of clothing, etc. I have everything I need to get through a bare winter, but I do an average of +10 72 hour sessions in the winter. where I also spend a lot of time in the bivvy.
You can dress as warmly as you want, but it is not comfortable at all, and I am not even talking about the times when you get a rain shower in the winter and you have to change clothes in the cold, I think a bivvy heater is much more pleasant, if that makes you less of a man lol then I think back to my military time and have a good laugh with keyboard heroes
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Every winter the sad news will be of another death from a bivvy heater in an anglers bivvy,you can see it's going to happen every winter because people think they know better rather than use their common sense.
I had someone actually tell me other week at work that he did it to keep the cold out every winter I went mad I said ‘shouldn't be doing that you will not wake up again'he has kids who live with him and his mom I tried to make him see sense but I think when he's on the lake because it's a clicky place he fishes I think he won't be the only one who's done it and will continue to do it
Every winter the sad news will be of another death from a bivvy heater in an anglers bivvy,you can see it's going to happen every winter because people think they know better rather than use their common sense.
I had someone actually tell me other week at work that he did it to keep the cold out every winter I went mad I said ‘shouldn't be doing that you will not wake up again'he has kids who live with him and his mom I tried to make him see sense but I think when he's on the lake because it's a clicky place he fishes I think he won't be the only one who's done it and will continue to do it
In reply to Post #23
Not quite sure where you are going with this? Is it just a dig at a couple of people who tongue in cheek said man up?
I too am ex forces and have served in severe conditions. I too do week long sessions throughout the year due to the distance my syndicate is to make the fuel costs viable. I'm 67 next week so no spring chicken either, and on a range of heart medication including blood thinners which make you piss like a rodent and feel the cold more.
But I would never use a heater in a bivvy. Even when cooking or making a brew as although the chances of you falling asleep are slim as you are actively doing something, the heat from it is only radial heat and once you turn it off you feel colder.
Again as ex forces my choice of clothing is dictated by what I know works. I have only one item of branded fishing clothing, the rest based on experience. Bottom of the body are merino wool socks, American Matterhorn boots, German army moleskin trousers with a set of Aqua Union Jack Himalayan Salopettes. Upper body Tee shirt, hoody, or Norwegian army shirt, fleece neck snood, Norwegiam army army artic jumper or German army Dachstien mountaineering jumper and snug pack jacket (overhead shirt). If it is really cold and and the windchill harsh I replace the Snugpak with a Halley Hansen down filled full puffer jacket. Goretex jacket then if required. I find with this gear I don't need to bother with thermal under garments which is good because I don't really like them. Most of the time in winter I won't have all of this gear on, maybe just the moleskin trousers and buffalo or just the woolly Pully as outer layers. The full kit list is for really cold windy days when the wind has pushed the chill factor right down.
As you will know - the old army saying - “Any idiot can be uncomfortable”
Not quite sure where you are going with this? Is it just a dig at a couple of people who tongue in cheek said man up?
I too am ex forces and have served in severe conditions. I too do week long sessions throughout the year due to the distance my syndicate is to make the fuel costs viable. I'm 67 next week so no spring chicken either, and on a range of heart medication including blood thinners which make you piss like a rodent and feel the cold more.
But I would never use a heater in a bivvy. Even when cooking or making a brew as although the chances of you falling asleep are slim as you are actively doing something, the heat from it is only radial heat and once you turn it off you feel colder.
Again as ex forces my choice of clothing is dictated by what I know works. I have only one item of branded fishing clothing, the rest based on experience. Bottom of the body are merino wool socks, American Matterhorn boots, German army moleskin trousers with a set of Aqua Union Jack Himalayan Salopettes. Upper body Tee shirt, hoody, or Norwegian army shirt, fleece neck snood, Norwegiam army army artic jumper or German army Dachstien mountaineering jumper and snug pack jacket (overhead shirt). If it is really cold and and the windchill harsh I replace the Snugpak with a Halley Hansen down filled full puffer jacket. Goretex jacket then if required. I find with this gear I don't need to bother with thermal under garments which is good because I don't really like them. Most of the time in winter I won't have all of this gear on, maybe just the moleskin trousers and buffalo or just the woolly Pully as outer layers. The full kit list is for really cold windy days when the wind has pushed the chill factor right down.
As you will know - the old army saying - “Any idiot can be uncomfortable”
Proper clothing and sleeping bag etc etc and I've never once felt the cold even in temperatures down to -6.
Makes you wonder how we ever got where we are today
In reply to Post #27
Yeh, but the bloke in the bottom picture got a 3 month ban when the bailiffs caught him lighting a fire
Yeh, but the bloke in the bottom picture got a 3 month ban when the bailiffs caught him lighting a fire
In reply to Post #28
no hand sanitizer or a Cobb in sight, barbed spears for fishing was all the rage back then how far we've come mind blowing, never mind only about 4 and a half billion years before the sun or our nearest galaxy wipe us out, personally I'm looking forward to it.
no hand sanitizer or a Cobb in sight, barbed spears for fishing was all the rage back then how far we've come mind blowing, never mind only about 4 and a half billion years before the sun or our nearest galaxy wipe us out, personally I'm looking forward to it.
In reply to Post #29
No sanitizer or Cobb, correct, but the life expectancy back then was anywhere between 20 and 35 years of age, so clearly they didn't cope that well.
If people want to use gas heaters on the bank that's fair enough, I'd just repeat what I said and get a carbon monoxide alarm for the bivvy, it might just save your life, but hopefully it won't ever need to.
Personally, I steer clear of them, I am paranoid enough about my gas bottles even being in the bivvy with me at night.
I don't think it needs to turn into a testosterone fuelled thread about being 'manly' enough though.
No sanitizer or Cobb, correct, but the life expectancy back then was anywhere between 20 and 35 years of age, so clearly they didn't cope that well.
If people want to use gas heaters on the bank that's fair enough, I'd just repeat what I said and get a carbon monoxide alarm for the bivvy, it might just save your life, but hopefully it won't ever need to.
Personally, I steer clear of them, I am paranoid enough about my gas bottles even being in the bivvy with me at night.
I don't think it needs to turn into a testosterone fuelled thread about being 'manly' enough though.
In reply to Post #30
Blimey what have I done 🤦🏻♂️
I make you right about the testosterone! I didn't dream a thread about warming your bivvy up would bring out a load of macho, wannabe hard men, keyboard warrior types that can ice fish the north pole in there Y-fronts. Embarrassing really.
I did state in the post I didn't fancy gas and if anyone knew of another alternative. Also said it was for the purpose of taking my young son, so obviously all the more reason I wouldn't take a chance with gas.
Lot of stating the obvious regarding warm clothes and hot food ffs.
I was thinking more along the lines of one of the those Jackery battery packs that you could plug in a small 500 watt oil filled heater (obviously one with a cut out in case it toppled over before the lecturing starts) and if anyone is currently using or know of anyone.
Sorry to ask 🤷🏼♂️
Blimey what have I done 🤦🏻♂️
I make you right about the testosterone! I didn't dream a thread about warming your bivvy up would bring out a load of macho, wannabe hard men, keyboard warrior types that can ice fish the north pole in there Y-fronts. Embarrassing really.
I did state in the post I didn't fancy gas and if anyone knew of another alternative. Also said it was for the purpose of taking my young son, so obviously all the more reason I wouldn't take a chance with gas.
Lot of stating the obvious regarding warm clothes and hot food ffs.
I was thinking more along the lines of one of the those Jackery battery packs that you could plug in a small 500 watt oil filled heater (obviously one with a cut out in case it toppled over before the lecturing starts) and if anyone is currently using or know of anyone.
Sorry to ask 🤷🏼♂️
In reply to Post #31
You are asking for help but think the following:
“I make you right about the testosterone! I didn't dream a thread about warming your bivvy up would bring out a load of macho, wannabe hard men, keyboard warrior types that can ice fish the north pole in there Y-fronts. Embarrassing really”.
“Lot of stating the obvious regarding warm clothes and hot food ffs”
I think that you may find these macho, wannabe hard men Keyboard warrior types that fish the North Pole in their Y fronts and state obvious things and are embarrassing are actually the people you are asking for help.
You have now refined your question to a specific type of heater and power source and expect these same people you laugh at and feel embarrassed about are going to help you?
Strange way to ask for help IMO.
You are asking for help but think the following:
“I make you right about the testosterone! I didn't dream a thread about warming your bivvy up would bring out a load of macho, wannabe hard men, keyboard warrior types that can ice fish the north pole in there Y-fronts. Embarrassing really”.
“Lot of stating the obvious regarding warm clothes and hot food ffs”
I think that you may find these macho, wannabe hard men Keyboard warrior types that fish the North Pole in their Y fronts and state obvious things and are embarrassing are actually the people you are asking for help.
You have now refined your question to a specific type of heater and power source and expect these same people you laugh at and feel embarrassed about are going to help you?
Strange way to ask for help IMO.
"Keyboard warrior types" is an amusing one to throw into the mix.
In reply to Post #31
Ignoring everything else.....
There are rechargeable hand warmers that are good, plenty on amazon for example like ocoopa or something.
Heat pads, stick on to clothes
Hot water bottle
Power stations, plenty from cheap to mega expensive that will run some sort of.
electrical heater in varying levels of power depending on ££ spent for capacity.
I have a small bluetti eb3a and now a much bigger anker 555, check the specs for max wattages
Ignoring everything else.....
There are rechargeable hand warmers that are good, plenty on amazon for example like ocoopa or something.
Heat pads, stick on to clothes
Hot water bottle
Power stations, plenty from cheap to mega expensive that will run some sort of.
electrical heater in varying levels of power depending on ££ spent for capacity.
I have a small bluetti eb3a and now a much bigger anker 555, check the specs for max wattages
In reply to Post #32
I thought the original post made it pretty clear to what I was asking? Would you not agree on that or do I need to be much more specific?
What I didn't expect was a barrage of patronising replies from the well hardened to the elements anglers from back in the day.
Maybe some of the posters hadn't read the original post and just jumped on the bandwagon for the sake of it.
For the record I don't intend to gas myself and my boy, Iv been carp fishing for 40 odd years and camping out for over 30, never once had an heater, pretty brushed up on the dangers of gas in confined, unventilated places (I stated in the post my concerns with gas) I was just asking what I thought was a reasonable question and you'd think would get a few reasonable replies 🤷🏼♂️
I thought the original post made it pretty clear to what I was asking? Would you not agree on that or do I need to be much more specific?
What I didn't expect was a barrage of patronising replies from the well hardened to the elements anglers from back in the day.
Maybe some of the posters hadn't read the original post and just jumped on the bandwagon for the sake of it.
For the record I don't intend to gas myself and my boy, Iv been carp fishing for 40 odd years and camping out for over 30, never once had an heater, pretty brushed up on the dangers of gas in confined, unventilated places (I stated in the post my concerns with gas) I was just asking what I thought was a reasonable question and you'd think would get a few reasonable replies 🤷🏼♂️
In reply to Post #35
I think the crucial part of your original post is where you queried whether you were being over cautious or not. There subsequently followed posts that advised you to be extremely cautious, and avoid gas. So yes, your original post has prompted the response you have got. (I'm not talking about the anecdotes about surviving frostbite on the north face of the Matterhorn).
Bear in mind that this thread will be live and searchable long after we have finished with it, and raising awareness of the dangers of gas in an enclosed space will always be a good thing to do. Someone may find this thread in five years and not do something dangerous as a result.
I think the crucial part of your original post is where you queried whether you were being over cautious or not. There subsequently followed posts that advised you to be extremely cautious, and avoid gas. So yes, your original post has prompted the response you have got. (I'm not talking about the anecdotes about surviving frostbite on the north face of the Matterhorn).
Bear in mind that this thread will be live and searchable long after we have finished with it, and raising awareness of the dangers of gas in an enclosed space will always be a good thing to do. Someone may find this thread in five years and not do something dangerous as a result.
In reply to Post #36
Good post and absolutely well worth the awareness. I put in ‘over cautious' as I know theirs anglers that do use gas heaters etc and that the modern appliances are more camper friendly nowadays, ie carbon monoxide detectors/alarms and cut outs.
So yes there is always a danger with gas hence the reason I wouldn't use it. The post was more asking for or anyone using an alternative.
Good post and absolutely well worth the awareness. I put in ‘over cautious' as I know theirs anglers that do use gas heaters etc and that the modern appliances are more camper friendly nowadays, ie carbon monoxide detectors/alarms and cut outs.
So yes there is always a danger with gas hence the reason I wouldn't use it. The post was more asking for or anyone using an alternative.
In reply to Post #36
In reply to Post #28
No Unhooking Mat in sight either.
No Unhooking Mat in sight either.
In reply to Post #27
Bottom picture. Stick a green sleep suit on that could have been anywhere yesterday, it seems the caveman look is all the rage, bet he has got more teeth though lol
Bottom picture. Stick a green sleep suit on that could have been anywhere yesterday, it seems the caveman look is all the rage, bet he has got more teeth though lol
In reply to Post #38
Instead of a bivvy heater per se
what about a heated blanket
Nash do one
Avid do a heated mattress
Both run on a battery pack
Instead of a bivvy heater per se
what about a heated blanket
Nash do one
Avid do a heated mattress
Both run on a battery pack
In reply to Post #26
lucky you!
lucky you!
In reply to Post #1
Heat yourself rather than the bivvy. Heated gilet and/or blanket is what I'd be looking at.
Heat yourself rather than the bivvy. Heated gilet and/or blanket is what I'd be looking at.
In reply to Post #40
Looks like he just got a Liner.
Looks like he just got a Liner.
In reply to Post #44
Or a 2am brew
Carp angler lights fire for enhanced photograph
Or a 2am brew
Carp angler lights fire for enhanced photograph
In reply to Post #45
Average cave dweller
Average angler coming out of lockdown on first session
Average cave dweller
Average angler coming out of lockdown on first session
In reply to Post #46
In reply to Post #35
WIND your neck in James ? stop crying ?
my post was a tongue in cheek humorous loosely based on true facts !
sorry it upset you it wasnt intended too !!
so here is the way I see it most kids dont feel the cold anywhere near as much as adults
with the right clothing neck warmer hat gloves he is not going to get cold ? and tucked up in 5 season duvet of sleeping bag he will be toasty down to well below freezing temps
but my suggestion would be possibly these heated jackets/waste coat with a power pack in the pocket motorcyclists wear if you still think he may get cold
out of interest I know of 3 people now that never knew when they went fishing they would not go home but died on the bank thru fuking stoves or heaters
the most recent one had used a Cobb cooker outside his bivvy
BUT when it started to get cold he moved it very close to the OPEN DOORWAY and went to sleep they say the fumes built up inside inside and killed him
WIND your neck in James ? stop crying ?
my post was a tongue in cheek humorous loosely based on true facts !
sorry it upset you it wasnt intended too !!
so here is the way I see it most kids dont feel the cold anywhere near as much as adults
with the right clothing neck warmer hat gloves he is not going to get cold ? and tucked up in 5 season duvet of sleeping bag he will be toasty down to well below freezing temps
but my suggestion would be possibly these heated jackets/waste coat with a power pack in the pocket motorcyclists wear if you still think he may get cold
out of interest I know of 3 people now that never knew when they went fishing they would not go home but died on the bank thru fuking stoves or heaters
the most recent one had used a Cobb cooker outside his bivvy
BUT when it started to get cold he moved it very close to the OPEN DOORWAY and went to sleep they say the fumes built up inside inside and killed him
What about a wood fired stove with a flue? Probably need a customised flue if some sort to angle out the door.
In reply to Post #46
You wear it well
You wear it well
In reply to Post #48
The irony of your comments is unbelievable.. me wind my neck in after your reply 🤣🤣
Trust me you haven't upset me, an old fella giving it the big un behind a screen for the purpose of a social media audience is far from upsetting, more highly amusing.
We all know the potential dangers of gas in an enclosed environment don't we? You'd have to be naive not too. Incidentally It's not only a risk to carp anglers either. campers, caravans and motor homes all use gas in enclosed environments, so it's a potential hazard to literally thousands every day.
You quoted deaths you've heard from anglers using gas etc, tragic I know, but to put it into a bit of perspective you'll find many more people drown whilst fishing then die of carbon monoxide poisoning on the bank every year. You'll probably also find more anglers catch weil's disease then die from gas as well, yet a lot take the piss over someone using hand sanitiser on the bank 🤷🏼♂️.
But just to make it clear once again, I have no intention of using gas nor was I advocating using gas in my post, I was just asking if someone uses an alternative as ‘I really don't fancy using gas'.
Anyway thanks for the response and your suggestions, much appreciated and all the best to you 👍🏻
The irony of your comments is unbelievable.. me wind my neck in after your reply 🤣🤣
Trust me you haven't upset me, an old fella giving it the big un behind a screen for the purpose of a social media audience is far from upsetting, more highly amusing.
We all know the potential dangers of gas in an enclosed environment don't we? You'd have to be naive not too. Incidentally It's not only a risk to carp anglers either. campers, caravans and motor homes all use gas in enclosed environments, so it's a potential hazard to literally thousands every day.
You quoted deaths you've heard from anglers using gas etc, tragic I know, but to put it into a bit of perspective you'll find many more people drown whilst fishing then die of carbon monoxide poisoning on the bank every year. You'll probably also find more anglers catch weil's disease then die from gas as well, yet a lot take the piss over someone using hand sanitiser on the bank 🤷🏼♂️.
But just to make it clear once again, I have no intention of using gas nor was I advocating using gas in my post, I was just asking if someone uses an alternative as ‘I really don't fancy using gas'.
Anyway thanks for the response and your suggestions, much appreciated and all the best to you 👍🏻
I honestly don't think that you can beat the old hot water bottle. One in the bed and one up the jumper while sitting around and the boy will be toasty.
Some people swear by hand warmers in the socks but can't say I've tried them.
You are fighting a losing battle trying to heat a bivvy with a battery, there is no insulation.
Some people swear by hand warmers in the socks but can't say I've tried them.
You are fighting a losing battle trying to heat a bivvy with a battery, there is no insulation.
In reply to Post #52
Insulation, now there's a thought.
How long before the manufacturers bring out an insulation option for their bivvies
Insulation, now there's a thought.
How long before the manufacturers bring out an insulation option for their bivvies
Seven oaks stove tested in a completely enclosed space of 1.2m2 height 2 meters
highest burning level after 2 hours PPM: 17 (Alecto COA3910 CO meter)
Small window slighly open and the door 20 cm open, burned for 1 hour PPM: 0
With the bivvy slightly open at the front and back, you will have even more ventilation
Don't see where there is any danger with sensible use, always ventilate your bivvy, on cold winter days without wind be extra careful and and always turn off the heater when you decide to go to sleep.
highest burning level after 2 hours PPM: 17 (Alecto COA3910 CO meter)
Small window slighly open and the door 20 cm open, burned for 1 hour PPM: 0
With the bivvy slightly open at the front and back, you will have even more ventilation
Don't see where there is any danger with sensible use, always ventilate your bivvy, on cold winter days without wind be extra careful and and always turn off the heater when you decide to go to sleep.
In reply to Post #52
Hot hands foot warmers and decent merino socks are a godsend - I've tried expensive electrically heated socks and they're a waste of time . . .warm feet is the most important part and the key to staying warm IMO!
Hot hands foot warmers and decent merino socks are a godsend - I've tried expensive electrically heated socks and they're a waste of time . . .warm feet is the most important part and the key to staying warm IMO!
I have 3 pair Nash ZT Polar Socks for the day damm warm, + on cold nights i always sleep with Nash slipper and thermal socks on in my bedchair specifically buyed them to sleep in on cold days and never suffer from cold feet in my sleeping bag.
Plus if you have a run you no longer have to look for your shoes in the dark.
Plus if you have a run you no longer have to look for your shoes in the dark.
I've just bought a wrap for my SLX V3 bivvy and I've got a peach skin cover and a small water bottle if needed so glad I got all of this as I'm out now and I'm lovely and warm on a night,last night it hammered it down so zipped door down untill I wanted a drink and it was back up for ventilation when stove went on.
Nothing wrong with bit of central heating every now an then if you ask me 😂😂😂
In reply to Post #54
Yeah but why take the risk.
Appropriate clothes and sleeping bag, no heater needed
Yeah but why take the risk.
Appropriate clothes and sleeping bag, no heater needed
Not like any of us cook in the bivvy is it.
Gas cook fires themselves are 100x more dangerous, the flame of the Seven Oaks stove is very small compared to a gas cook fire on the lowest setting, but the stove does provide a lot of heat in comparison to it's small flame
Just finished a 72 hour session, we had 2 Co detector both remained constant at 0 (Nest protect and Alecto COA3920), heater only used with the door 1/4 open and on the smallest fire setting
Just finished a 72 hour session, we had 2 Co detector both remained constant at 0 (Nest protect and Alecto COA3920), heater only used with the door 1/4 open and on the smallest fire setting
In reply to Post #59
What is the risk if you use it responsibly?
What is the risk if you use it responsibly?
Use a portable diesel heater
Related and not related, years ago, actually decades ago now 
you used to see anglers on the likes of Cassein with those small log burners, tents having been converted to take them. I watch a lot of camping vids on youtube and I've got to say I love those small foladable wood burners and I don't see why we don't use them more in fishing. I was going to say fishing tent material really isn't designed for it but that's a excuse given the heat retaining tents used in camping. I'd have no hesitation fitting one into my Mk1 Frontier Euro Wrap.
At some point I might still get one even for camping use, a bit of fun.
you used to see anglers on the likes of Cassein with those small log burners, tents having been converted to take them. I watch a lot of camping vids on youtube and I've got to say I love those small foladable wood burners and I don't see why we don't use them more in fishing. I was going to say fishing tent material really isn't designed for it but that's a excuse given the heat retaining tents used in camping. I'd have no hesitation fitting one into my Mk1 Frontier Euro Wrap.At some point I might still get one even for camping use, a bit of fun.
In reply to Post #64
My problems with any solid fuel fire in a tent is that there are no checks done on the seals around the fire door or the flue joints. Both can let CO2 seep into the tent if they are not sealed correctly and regularly maintained, preferably by someone who has some form of certification. If you Google CO2 poisoning and see how many deaths occur in HOUSES with fires designed for indoor use you'd be shocked. Also if you've ever seen a small nylon/Aquatex or whatever bivvy go up in flames it's a real eye opener. It goes up in literally seconds, dripping molten nylon down on anything inside.
Call me a wimp, I know outdoors people use them, but in a country which is described as temperate, I'll stick with warm clothing and a good sleeping bag, hot water bottle and a thick coated dog 👍
My problems with any solid fuel fire in a tent is that there are no checks done on the seals around the fire door or the flue joints. Both can let CO2 seep into the tent if they are not sealed correctly and regularly maintained, preferably by someone who has some form of certification. If you Google CO2 poisoning and see how many deaths occur in HOUSES with fires designed for indoor use you'd be shocked. Also if you've ever seen a small nylon/Aquatex or whatever bivvy go up in flames it's a real eye opener. It goes up in literally seconds, dripping molten nylon down on anything inside.
Call me a wimp, I know outdoors people use them, but in a country which is described as temperate, I'll stick with warm clothing and a good sleeping bag, hot water bottle and a thick coated dog 👍
In reply to Post #65
I get you mate but applying gas fire cert to solid fuel doesn't really work. Solid fuel fires are not sealed, they rely as any fire does on the draw from the chimney, I see a lot of alarm raising, I guess the younger gereneration has forgotten that all fires used to be open solid fuel. I know tents are a a confined space and it's different. I used to do a lot of camping and the Mrs likes glamping and a lot of those use solid fuels and you rarely hear of deaths.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying don't underestimate the dangers, it could cost you your life, but I'd like to think that on the whole most people are still sensible and if in doubt wouldn't play Russian roulette with their lives.
As for temperate, for how long I've fished in -12, Ive got to say I'm a wimp, I didn't enjoy it one bit even being prepared!
I get you mate but applying gas fire cert to solid fuel doesn't really work. Solid fuel fires are not sealed, they rely as any fire does on the draw from the chimney, I see a lot of alarm raising, I guess the younger gereneration has forgotten that all fires used to be open solid fuel. I know tents are a a confined space and it's different. I used to do a lot of camping and the Mrs likes glamping and a lot of those use solid fuels and you rarely hear of deaths.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying don't underestimate the dangers, it could cost you your life, but I'd like to think that on the whole most people are still sensible and if in doubt wouldn't play Russian roulette with their lives.
As for temperate, for how long
I've fished in -12, Ive got to say I'm a wimp, I didn't enjoy it one bit even being prepared!
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