My old vauxhall estate has finally died, any advice on other cars suitable for fishing and family stuff, or ones to avoid.
Almost certainly need another estate vehicle, it will be used.
Tia.
Almost certainly need another estate vehicle, it will be used.
Tia.
I have just bought a 23 reg Vauxhall Astra Sports Tourer. Best car I have ever had (and I have had a fair few!). Loads of space and so economical - in fact it does the same mpg as any diesel I have owned. Highly recommended although they are not an easy car to find!
In reply to Post #2
Skoda superb estate
Massive boot, lovely to drive..
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Skoda superb estate
Massive boot, lovely to drive..
🚘
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Agreed, I loved mine, big space and good drive / experience
Agreed, I loved mine, big space and good drive / experience
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Anything from the VW group, Passat, Superb, Octavia, Leon. You can't go wrong.
Anything from the VW group, Passat, Superb, Octavia, Leon. You can't go wrong.
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I'd 3rd this
I have some fleet responsibility at work. We mainly use Audi, skoda, volvo, bmw, Vauxhall and Peugeot
Octavia is a good option if the superb is a bit much, still has loads of space. These do suffer with water pumps that are made from soft cheese but otherwise seem ok. I'd have a superb as a fishing car in a heartbeat
Vauxhall, Peugeot, Citroën are all the same thing now (stellantis) and use the dreaded wet belt on a lot of their cars so be very wary if you go down that route (we've had one go at 35,000 miles despite it having 4 oil services). Their gearboxes are also prone to failure and their infotainment is quite bug ridden. Their hybrids seem fairly resilient
Volvo are unfortunately a shadow of what they were. If you are going for an older one, a D5 V70 is a truly great and cavernous car but we have endless problems with all of their newer models (V60s, 90's and the XC equivalent)
I'd 3rd this
I have some fleet responsibility at work. We mainly use Audi, skoda, volvo, bmw, Vauxhall and Peugeot
Octavia is a good option if the superb is a bit much, still has loads of space. These do suffer with water pumps that are made from soft cheese but otherwise seem ok. I'd have a superb as a fishing car in a heartbeat
Vauxhall, Peugeot, Citroën are all the same thing now (stellantis) and use the dreaded wet belt on a lot of their cars so be very wary if you go down that route (we've had one go at 35,000 miles despite it having 4 oil services). Their gearboxes are also prone to failure and their infotainment is quite bug ridden. Their hybrids seem fairly resilient
Volvo are unfortunately a shadow of what they were. If you are going for an older one, a D5 V70 is a truly great and cavernous car but we have endless problems with all of their newer models (V60s, 90's and the XC equivalent)
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The dreaded wet belt (and chain on some models) is because of the PSA engine and its not just restricted to those makes, the engine is used in others too. The BMW diesel engine is also quite poor, plastic timing chain guides...who in their right mind
The dreaded wet belt (and chain on some models) is because of the PSA engine and its not just restricted to those makes, the engine is used in others too. The BMW diesel engine is also quite poor, plastic timing chain guides...who in their right mind
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Add a leaky egr cooler.....I didn't even mention the bmws
Add a leaky egr cooler.....I didn't even mention the bmws
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Second this. Golf or Passat estates are perfect👍🏻
Second this. Golf or Passat estates are perfect👍🏻
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Depends what your budget is and if buying new or second hand
Depends what your budget is and if buying new or second hand
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Passat Alltrack or Subaru Outback. Both 4x4 and tough as old boots, with good build quality and reliability.
Volvo V70 before Ford got hold of them. Huge rear space and my 2.4D still does 55 to the gallon.
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i've got an octavia, get all my stuff in for a week and still get 55-60mpg on adaptive cruise, will most likely get the newer shape once it gets to 100k miles other than service items has had both front shocks, alternator and a glow plug replaced so not bad for 8 year / 90k mile car.
i've got an octavia, get all my stuff in for a week and still get 55-60mpg on adaptive cruise, will most likely get the newer shape once it gets to 100k miles other than service items has had both front shocks, alternator and a glow plug replaced so not bad for 8 year / 90k mile car.
Thanks for all your replys, plenty to think about
I've a Mondeo estate and considered loads of alternatives, eventually decided to go with a Superb estate. Only slight concern is that the rear seats don't fold flat but even bigger than the Mondeo.
My 2nd choice was a Ford Grand Tourneo Connect
My 2nd choice was a Ford Grand Tourneo Connect
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On my second Audi A4 estate at the moment, the 2.0 TDi version.
The previous one was still going strong at 180k and I only got rid of it because it wasn't ULEZ compliant. Great build quality with loads of stuff as standard, never let me down and I did 160k in it.
Loads of room in the back with the seats down (even with them up the boot is huge) and decent fuel economy too, especially on long motorway runs.
On my second Audi A4 estate at the moment, the 2.0 TDi version.
The previous one was still going strong at 180k and I only got rid of it because it wasn't ULEZ compliant. Great build quality with loads of stuff as standard, never let me down and I did 160k in it.
Loads of room in the back with the seats down (even with them up the boot is huge) and decent fuel economy too, especially on long motorway runs.
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I got a Mitsubishi Outlander. Not an estate granted but brilliant.
I got a Mitsubishi Outlander. Not an estate granted but brilliant.
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I find this quite embarrassing as I have an A4 Avant and was looking to change as there wasn't enough space 🤦🏼
Great car with excellent mpg too
I find this quite embarrassing as I have an A4 Avant and was looking to change as there wasn't enough space 🤦🏼
Great car with excellent mpg too
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What the hell are you taking with you
What the hell are you taking with you
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I was looking at an Octavia Scout as "normal" estate cars have stupidly low ground clearance these days and I live in France so need to go down dodgy tracks. Prices seemed very high 2nd hand though and availability was poor (it was the post covid period). I got a new Dacia Jogger instead, it's perfect for fishing, plenty of space, and i'm not botherered about getting it dirty.
Not a fun drive at all though and obviously "naff", just depends if you like cars and driving or just want a tool for a job.
I think (am hoping !) Dacias tend to be fairly reliable as they re-use old and proven designs.
I was looking at an Octavia Scout as "normal" estate cars have stupidly low ground clearance these days and I live in France so need to go down dodgy tracks. Prices seemed very high 2nd hand though and availability was poor (it was the post covid period). I got a new Dacia Jogger instead, it's perfect for fishing, plenty of space, and i'm not botherered about getting it dirty.
Not a fun drive at all though and obviously "naff", just depends if you like cars and driving or just want a tool for a job.
I think (am hoping !) Dacias tend to be fairly reliable as they re-use old and proven designs.
Anything with a wet belt should be avoided for obvious reasons - 1.2 puretec, ecoboost. Avoid 1.5 blue hdi's as they have a chain that fails - thank fords partnership with stellantis for this - stronger chain fitted from feb 2023.
VW group cars have never had great reliability since dropping the 1.9tdi pd - 1.6 diesels have a long list of issues. DSG gearboxes have so many seriously expensive failures their best avoided.
Earlier Citroen automated manual dcf5 boxes should be avoided. Later DCF6 boxes much more reliable.
So, what does that leave? 1.6hdi belt engine cars have good reliability, Renault dci engines seem to be relatively good reliability.
It really is a minefield for a decent vehicle, going with an German brand doesn't necessarily give you better quality/reliability but visually they have many fanboys. Merc Citan's are rebadged Kangoo's so they are a good shout if you want a van.
Whatever you go with good luck, just get a decent warranty and you have some comfort if it does go wrong. Personally I'm gutted by the 1.5bluhdi having so many issues as I was looking to get a mid sized van with this engine, I'm now looking at a Renault Trafic 2.0 dci instead, if I can suss out what Merc Vito engines are good I may look at that as an option too.
VW group cars have never had great reliability since dropping the 1.9tdi pd - 1.6 diesels have a long list of issues. DSG gearboxes have so many seriously expensive failures their best avoided.
Earlier Citroen automated manual dcf5 boxes should be avoided. Later DCF6 boxes much more reliable.
So, what does that leave? 1.6hdi belt engine cars have good reliability, Renault dci engines seem to be relatively good reliability.
It really is a minefield for a decent vehicle, going with an German brand doesn't necessarily give you better quality/reliability but visually they have many fanboys. Merc Citan's are rebadged Kangoo's so they are a good shout if you want a van.
Whatever you go with good luck, just get a decent warranty and you have some comfort if it does go wrong. Personally I'm gutted by the 1.5bluhdi having so many issues as I was looking to get a mid sized van with this engine, I'm now looking at a Renault Trafic 2.0 dci instead, if I can suss out what Merc Vito engines are good I may look at that as an option too.
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I got a 2019 Ford Galaxy Titanium X diesel with very low miles. Seats are very practical and it is absolutely massive so I use a motorcycle ramp and wheel the barrow straight in and out.
I got a 2019 Ford Galaxy Titanium X diesel with very low miles. Seats are very practical and it is absolutely massive so I use a motorcycle ramp and wheel the barrow straight in and out.
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We used to have a VW Sharan, when the Galaxy/Alhambra/Sharan were all made in the same place. Without a doubt my favourite fishing car, as you say loads of loads room.
From there we went Berlingo, mine will be 20 years old next year, and now we have a Peugeot Rifter too.
@ AndyCarper, not even safe with a Toyota now, even the Proace uses the PSA engine A lot of folk say if T are happy the 1.5 BHdi must be sorted....hmm.
There are conversion kits for the 7mm PSA timing chain, if you have the older one. There are also garages specialising in rebuilt PSA bhdi engines. Same re the BMW diesels.
We used to have a VW Sharan, when the Galaxy/Alhambra/Sharan were all made in the same place. Without a doubt my favourite fishing car, as you say loads of loads room.
From there we went Berlingo, mine will be 20 years old next year, and now we have a Peugeot Rifter too.
@ AndyCarper, not even safe with a Toyota now, even the Proace uses the PSA engine
A lot of folk say if T are happy the 1.5 BHdi must be sorted....hmm.There are conversion kits for the 7mm PSA timing chain, if you have the older one. There are also garages specialising in rebuilt PSA bhdi engines. Same re the BMW diesels.
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I almost went for the new style rifter / berlingo but there wasn't that much legroom for the middle row passengers and the Galaxy was a bit more luxury. Also heard a couple of stories about the adblue systems failing on the Peugeot / Citroen. Can be easily rectified or even coded out though I believe.
I almost went for the new style rifter / berlingo but there wasn't that much legroom for the middle row passengers and the Galaxy was a bit more luxury. Also heard a couple of stories about the adblue systems failing on the Peugeot / Citroen. Can be easily rectified or even coded out though I believe.
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When I eventually pull the trigger I think I'm going to go for a 2020ish expert. The 2.0 diesel have the bigger chain, the professional has a few toys too like car play too.
When I eventually pull the trigger I think I'm going to go for a 2020ish expert. The 2.0 diesel have the bigger chain, the professional has a few toys too like car play too.
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I think Peugeot got it really right with the design of the Expert, some of the customs look nicer than Transporters which were until then top of my list.
VLT re the Adblue fault, our Rifter had 17000 on the clock when we bought it, now 51000, and the adblue injector has gone twice, luckily both times under warranty. Really disapppointed with that to be honest, and each time Peugeot tried to charge me for a diagnostic, even though I could show them the code and recorded live data showing the emissions increasing over time as the injector blocked. Peugeot knew about a design fault and changed the design of the injector, or so they told me, as it had a different part number to the original.
The 1st time ours went it popped up with 1700 miles to no start, then the next day it was 50
the second time it was 500 miles. I said to the Mrs imagine if we were in France on a fishing holiday.
You are right, you can have the Adblue coded out and given a cost of near £500 each time a injector goes (diag & injector) and cost of hire car in our case, if that goes every few years it would be more than worth it at sub £250. Naturally there are other concerns, legality, more emissions. Not to mention Peugeot saying they couldn't do it for 6 weeks.
Makes me laugh though, each time you need to buy adblue it comes in a great big plastic vat . I wonder what the chemical offset of the vat is compared to the emissions saved
I think Peugeot got it really right with the design of the Expert, some of the customs look nicer than Transporters which were until then top of my list.
VLT re the Adblue fault, our Rifter had 17000 on the clock when we bought it, now 51000, and the adblue injector has gone twice, luckily both times under warranty. Really disapppointed with that to be honest, and each time Peugeot tried to charge me for a diagnostic, even though I could show them the code and recorded live data showing the emissions increasing over time as the injector blocked. Peugeot knew about a design fault and changed the design of the injector, or so they told me, as it had a different part number to the original.
The 1st time ours went it popped up with 1700 miles to no start, then the next day it was 50
the second time it was 500 miles. I said to the Mrs imagine if we were in France on a fishing holiday.You are right, you can have the Adblue coded out and given a cost of near £500 each time a injector goes (diag & injector) and cost of hire car in our case, if that goes every few years it would be more than worth it at sub £250. Naturally there are other concerns, legality, more emissions. Not to mention Peugeot saying they couldn't do it for 6 weeks.
Makes me laugh though, each time you need to buy adblue it comes in a great big plastic vat . I wonder what the chemical offset of the vat is compared to the emissions saved
Ford Kuga diesel. Brilliant car. Looking at getting a hybrid soon.With a roof box i get 2 loads of gear in for france trips.
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Kuga plug in
fair bit of room inside and without plugging in it does 55mpg as it self charges.
lots of my work trips are 200miles round trips with 120 ish of that on motorways
Kuga plug in
fair bit of room inside and without plugging in it does 55mpg as it self charges.
lots of my work trips are 200miles round trips with 120 ish of that on motorways
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Communal car park so unfortunately i have no way of plugging in, plus trips to france would be a mare.
Communal car park so unfortunately i have no way of plugging in, plus trips to france would be a mare.
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Our neighbour just got rid of his Kuga, constant dpf problems.
Electric is a joke for French trips. The guy at Peugeot tried to sell us the electric Rifter, said the range was near 300 miles, I asked about fully loaded motorway, he said just over 100 miles probably. I asked him if he'd buy one to go to France, 800-1000 miles, he just laughed 😅 and said no, not yet.
Our neighbour just got rid of his Kuga, constant dpf problems.
Electric is a joke for French trips. The guy at Peugeot tried to sell us the electric Rifter, said the range was near 300 miles, I asked about fully loaded motorway, he said just over 100 miles probably. I asked him if he'd buy one to go to France, 800-1000 miles, he just laughed 😅 and said no, not yet.
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Bought mine (66 plate) just before Covid. Apart from the usual tyres, brakes, fluids etc, it has never had a single problem. Fuel consumption is pants driving around town but on the open road it is fantastic. Probably the best car I have ever owned and still only 49k on the clock as im a home worker since covid and do less than 4k a miles a year. Also had my friend do the alloys and a few dinks in the bodywork so its looking pretty immaculate as well. Shame to get rid but i'd rather sell soon as been offered 10k for it.
Bought mine (66 plate) just before Covid. Apart from the usual tyres, brakes, fluids etc, it has never had a single problem. Fuel consumption is pants driving around town but on the open road it is fantastic. Probably the best car I have ever owned and still only 49k on the clock as im a home worker since covid and do less than 4k a miles a year. Also had my friend do the alloys and a few dinks in the bodywork so its looking pretty immaculate as well. Shame to get rid but i'd rather sell soon as been offered 10k for it.
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I think the reason he had dpf issues was because he only drove 5 miles to work and back in it, absolutely not ideal for a dpf. He had the dpf cleaned twice on the driveway before he swapped it for ........ a ecoboost petrol Fiesta
I think the reason he had dpf issues was because he only drove 5 miles to work and back in it, absolutely not ideal for a dpf. He had the dpf cleaned twice on the driveway before he swapped it for ........ a ecoboost petrol Fiesta
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Good lord no. Too unfashionable.
Good lord no. Too unfashionable.
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Ecoboom?
Engines in general are crap these days aren't they.
Ecoboom?
Engines in general are crap these days aren't they.
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I didn't want to say it
I didn't want to say it
Toyota Corolla hybrid Wagon, loads of room, reliable and 60 to the gallon.
Thanks for all your suggestions, I have narrowed it down to - astra estate, Skoda superb, Octavia, all diesel, and my budget means all will have done around 100,000.
Seen two of them, just need to decide and stop being so indecisive.
Seen two of them, just need to decide and stop being so indecisive.
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All those extras on the superb might help make your mind up.
Good sound system as well..
All those extras on the superb might help make your mind up.
Good sound system as well..
ive had various vehicles and vans over the years (including Estates) .... and I should add I am lucky enough to afford multiple vehicles (nice car, van and "fun car") and so my opinion will be slightly skewed by that.
Personally i would suggest buying a van as a second vehicle purely for fishing, work, tip run etc .... something you can afford to not be overly precious about. It is a game changer (i have had Berlingos and Experts .... both been great!) .... and then buy something else, that is nicer for for day to day. It opens up far more options then. I hated using my "nice" car for fishing etc.
If it has to be "one vehicle fits all", the most practical and best all rounder vehicle for fishing, family, days out etc I had was the Citroen Berlingo Multispace .... not great fun to drive and not a great looker, but brilliant for everything else. The seats all came out and I could wheel a loaded barrow into the back (handles off) ....
I put the Berlingo Multispace ahead of any estate ive owned (including Volvo V70) .... Estates are practical for long stuff but have a low roof line so everything needs to be broken down before loading.
For a any newer vehicle, I wouldnt entertain diesel nowadays, . Old technology and soooo mny issues that causes problems that can cause big bucks, unless you go down the mapping route. I prefer hybrid as i use zero fuel for 85% of my trips. As soon as technology allows a bigger battery range and quicker charging i will go over go over to an EV.
Personally i would suggest buying a van as a second vehicle purely for fishing, work, tip run etc .... something you can afford to not be overly precious about. It is a game changer (i have had Berlingos and Experts .... both been great!) .... and then buy something else, that is nicer for for day to day. It opens up far more options then. I hated using my "nice" car for fishing etc.
If it has to be "one vehicle fits all", the most practical and best all rounder vehicle for fishing, family, days out etc I had was the Citroen Berlingo Multispace .... not great fun to drive and not a great looker, but brilliant for everything else. The seats all came out and I could wheel a loaded barrow into the back (handles off) ....
I put the Berlingo Multispace ahead of any estate ive owned (including Volvo V70) .... Estates are practical for long stuff but have a low roof line so everything needs to be broken down before loading.
For a any newer vehicle, I wouldnt entertain diesel nowadays, . Old technology and soooo mny issues that causes problems that can cause big bucks, unless you go down the mapping route. I prefer hybrid as i use zero fuel for 85% of my trips. As soon as technology allows a bigger battery range and quicker charging i will go over go over to an EV.
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Ive had a 14 plate octavia 1.6tdi diesel estate for the last 11 years plus. 52-55 mpg and free road tax.
The boot is very large with seats dropped get loads of gear in, including a massive electric prestige barrow.
Ive Had zero issues with it except for 2 water pumps and the timing belt replacements and its on 112k miles. Still runs like new. (Waterpump and timing belt recommended every 50k)
Id like a skoda superb for an even bigger boot but im loathed to give up a no headache car, for a modern car and all the infotainment software issues.
If id didn't need quite so much space id buy a Toyota corolla sports wagon. Self charging hybrid, the boot is just slightly smaller than an octavia but still decent.
Ive had a 14 plate octavia 1.6tdi diesel estate for the last 11 years plus. 52-55 mpg and free road tax.
The boot is very large with seats dropped get loads of gear in, including a massive electric prestige barrow.
Ive Had zero issues with it except for 2 water pumps and the timing belt replacements and its on 112k miles. Still runs like new. (Waterpump and timing belt recommended every 50k)
Id like a skoda superb for an even bigger boot but im loathed to give up a no headache car, for a modern car and all the infotainment software issues.
If id didn't need quite so much space id buy a Toyota corolla sports wagon. Self charging hybrid, the boot is just slightly smaller than an octavia but still decent.
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First thing I'd ask myself is do I need to take so much gear.
I manage with a Nissan Note and before that a Renault Clio.
First thing I'd ask myself is do I need to take so much gear.
I manage with a Nissan Note and before that a Renault Clio.
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Well said,just how much kit does the so called average carper need to take on a overnight or forty eight hour trip ..
You don't see many poor tackle manufacturers or whatever
Well said,just how much kit does the so called average carper need to take on a overnight or forty eight hour trip ..
You don't see many poor tackle manufacturers or whatever
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I've just done a French trip in an EV. Kent to Abbey was less than 80% charge in a loaded estate car. £25 to charge in 30 mins while there, then all the way back. AC running all the way, seemed pretty reasonable to me. Added bonus is your car is a charger if you need power while on the bank.
I've just done a French trip in an EV. Kent to Abbey was less than 80% charge in a loaded estate car. £25 to charge in 30 mins while there, then all the way back. AC running all the way, seemed pretty reasonable to me. Added bonus is your car is a charger if you need power while on the bank.
Another point to add, couple of years ago I bought the Trakker X Trail compact barrow, it's very low profile so with a motorcycle ramp you can wheel it into your boot still made up and depending on the vehicle, still with bedchair on. Then when home just wheel it down and into the garage. Makes the whole process a lot quicker.
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Sounds like he didn't have a clue tbh. I wouldn't have just an electric for regular huge drives (plenty of people do though), but the notion that range drops by 2/3rds on the motorway is complete nonsense. We've got a Mercedes EQC and it does more miles on a 70-80mph motorway run than it does around town/mixed driving.
Sounds like he didn't have a clue tbh. I wouldn't have just an electric for regular huge drives (plenty of people do though), but the notion that range drops by 2/3rds on the motorway is complete nonsense. We've got a Mercedes EQC and it does more miles on a 70-80mph motorway run than it does around town/mixed driving.
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Adams post, I suppressed it in error, apologies Adam
Ha,great minds and all that ,as mate has just sent that to me as well . I thought it was a bidet at first !!! This was because I went posh ditching the survival shovel and bought a folding loo from lidsters ,now my minimalist tendancy is ruined ..36,maybe word has got out ?
Adams post, I suppressed it in error, apologies Adam
Ha,great minds and all that ,as mate has just sent that to me as well . I thought it was a bidet at first !!! This was because I went posh ditching the survival shovel and bought a folding loo from lidsters ,now my minimalist tendancy is ruined ..36,maybe word has got out ?
In reply to Post #49
No worries at all JP..
No worries at all JP..
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now my minimalist tendancy is ruined
now my minimalist tendancy is ruined
Just bumping this... anymore recommendations?
In reply to Post #52
Subaru Outback. Probably not as refined as my old A4 Avant, but good ground clearance, AWD, reliable and has all the toys and gadgets.
Subaru Outback. Probably not as refined as my old A4 Avant, but good ground clearance, AWD, reliable and has all the toys and gadgets.
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I have a Skoda Octavia Scout. Biggest boot in its class, and a bit of 4x4 capability when needed. The perfect fishing/family car IMO. I leave my bed chair, barrow and a few bits in the boot all the time so it's easy for me to grab rods, rucksack, bait and food and I'm off fishing in less than 10 minutes.
I have a Skoda Octavia Scout. Biggest boot in its class, and a bit of 4x4 capability when needed. The perfect fishing/family car IMO. I leave my bed chair, barrow and a few bits in the boot all the time so it's easy for me to grab rods, rucksack, bait and food and I'm off fishing in less than 10 minutes.
Had a 66 plate Kuga. Liked it so much, i now have a 23 plate Kuga! Fits all my gear nicely.
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Ive decided ii need a new estate car. Had an octavia estate for 11 years now but its time to change.
I really fancy a toyota corolla estate self charging hybrid. The boot is decent but smaller than the octavia. Im not sure if all my gear will fit. I have a prestige power barrow which takes a chunk of space. A big fox bedchair, fox frontier x etc etc.
anyone run one and find its big enough for 2 -3 night sessions.
Ive decided ii need a new estate car. Had an octavia estate for 11 years now but its time to change.
I really fancy a toyota corolla estate self charging hybrid. The boot is decent but smaller than the octavia. Im not sure if all my gear will fit. I have a prestige power barrow which takes a chunk of space. A big fox bedchair, fox frontier x etc etc.
anyone run one and find its big enough for 2 -3 night sessions.
In reply to Post #56
I looked at my mates one. Great car and fast, but not big enough for fishing . Certaintly no more than a short session.
I looked at my mates one. Great car and fast, but not big enough for fishing . Certaintly no more than a short session.
In reply to Post #57
The Toyota Corrola estate has a 1606L boot with seats down. So still a fair size
By comparison a ford focus estate is marginally bigger at 1650 L
My Octavia estate is 1700L and second only to a
skoda superb 1920L
The Toyota Corrola estate has a 1606L boot with seats down. So still a fair size
By comparison a ford focus estate is marginally bigger at 1650 L
My Octavia estate is 1700L and second only to a
skoda superb 1920L
In reply to Post #56
Be sure to consider hybrid vs petrol/diesel engine. The hybrids (including Octavia) have reduced capacity due to the battery. So Octavia is 1550 litres vs 1700 (hybrid vs petrol/diesel).
Alternative to consider: Kia Ceed SW. 1694 litres vs the 1700 of the Octavia (so just 6 L difference). Kia comes with 7 year warranty. Had mine for 5 years and it has been excellent (for fishing gear too). Will change it next year, Kia is top of the list (either the outgoing Ceed, or incoming K4).
Be sure to consider hybrid vs petrol/diesel engine. The hybrids (including Octavia) have reduced capacity due to the battery. So Octavia is 1550 litres vs 1700 (hybrid vs petrol/diesel).
Alternative to consider: Kia Ceed SW. 1694 litres vs the 1700 of the Octavia (so just 6 L difference). Kia comes with 7 year warranty. Had mine for 5 years and it has been excellent (for fishing gear too). Will change it next year, Kia is top of the list (either the outgoing Ceed, or incoming K4).
In reply to Post #59
Have a Sportage and it's been great as a fishing car.
Have a Sportage and it's been great as a fishing car.
In reply to Post #52
M3 Touring
M3 Touring
Should be changing my Shogun for a Ford grand tourneo connect this afternoon. I wanted something much cheaper to run, cheaper tax, better mpg and cheaper insurance, or so I thought. Shogun (group 31p) renewal �306, Tourneo (group 11e) renewal �361. I really don't know where they get their figures from. Both cars are worth a similar amount, in fact the Shogun would probably be worth more at retail prices.
In reply to Post #62
I went to look at the GTC at a local Ford dealer, very nice, cabin very car like and clean lines. At the time about 4 years ago they were holding their prices very well compared to their rivals, wouldn't be surprised if still the same.
Re prices might be nickability and want of parts, ford vans are always popular that way.
Let us know how you get on
I went to look at the GTC at a local Ford dealer, very nice, cabin very car like and clean lines. At the time about 4 years ago they were holding their prices very well compared to their rivals, wouldn't be surprised if still the same.
Re prices might be nickability and want of parts, ford vans are always popular that way.
Let us know how you get on
In reply to Post #63
I would have thought a Shogun would be seen as pretty nickable, given it's association with ram raids etc.
I can't see the point of insurance groups, they are certainly no guide to premiums.
I've bought the Ford, good point was 64mpg coming home, against 30mpg going. Mines the 5 door car version with a lift up tailgate, though I expect the front end would be interchangeable with the van.
I would have thought a Shogun would be seen as pretty nickable, given it's association with ram raids etc.
I can't see the point of insurance groups, they are certainly no guide to premiums.
I've bought the Ford, good point was 64mpg coming home, against 30mpg going. Mines the 5 door car version with a lift up tailgate, though I expect the front end would be interchangeable with the van.
In reply to Post #64
I've just done Bedfordshire to Bordeaux in the wife's 23 plate X5 50d
Massive, very comfortable, 39mpg over 1400 miles with 2 of us, a roof box and all our gear plus 100 kilo of bait (about 90kg of which came back)
I dont really drive her car but i was was really impressed. Not sure what it would be like pottering about, but for a big cross continent trip it was brilliant
I've just done Bedfordshire to Bordeaux in the wife's 23 plate X5 50d
Massive, very comfortable, 39mpg over 1400 miles with 2 of us, a roof box and all our gear plus 100 kilo of bait (about 90kg of which came back)
I dont really drive her car but i was was really impressed. Not sure what it would be like pottering about, but for a big cross continent trip it was brilliant
Love my BMW 5 series estate. Can get enough gear for myself and wife plus bait for a week in France. 700 miles plus on one tank and I can have fun on A roads where speed limits allow.
In reply to Post #64
I didn't even know the Shogun was associated with ram raids I'm out of touch.
Very impressive mpg Parts wise a bit like our Rifter being van based and compatible with the Partner/Berlingo/ Pro Ace.
I didn't even know the Shogun was associated with ram raids
I'm out of touch.Very impressive mpg
Parts wise a bit like our Rifter being van based and compatible with the Partner/Berlingo/ Pro Ace.
In reply to Post #65
Current daily is a mapped X5 40d . . .prior to this I had a run of rear wheel drive 330d/335d estates for almost two decades. . .none of which were ideal fishing wagons (based on ride height) but also being used as a daily driver/long range work vehicle were def the best 'all round' solutions . . .never had any issues with any of them - BMW diesel engines are superb . . as long as you change the oil regularly (every 6-7k) and ignore the 'recommended' and quite frankly stupid 17-18k intervals . . .I changed most of mine (unless written off lol) at 150k+ miles and still got a decent return against the next one . .
X5 is good as I'm doing more river fishing these days, especially in the colder months and with rivers, increased ride height and 4WD def comes into its own as tracks and access can be much more challenging than most of todays manicured lakes (have been stuck several times previously with rear wheel drive estates) . . .however whilst I can arrive at the lake in total comfort and blow most other vehicles off the road on the way (even when fully loaded with gear), I'm actually getting depressed at a lifetime of having to unload the barrow / load up and do the same in reverse every time . . .I basically have van envy atm . . .I have wet dreams about ramping the barrow in, strapping it down and leaving it all in the back until the next session.
Seriously considering investing in the 'ultimate' piece of carp tackle for my latter years - as per Pauls (g4fne) post, a dedicated van is calling . . .just want a 4x4 one if poss!
Current daily is a mapped X5 40d . . .prior to this I had a run of rear wheel drive 330d/335d estates for almost two decades. . .none of which were ideal fishing wagons (based on ride height) but also being used as a daily driver/long range work vehicle were def the best 'all round' solutions . . .never had any issues with any of them - BMW diesel engines are superb . . as long as you change the oil regularly (every 6-7k) and ignore the 'recommended' and quite frankly stupid 17-18k intervals . . .I changed most of mine (unless written off lol) at 150k+ miles and still got a decent return against the next one . .
X5 is good as I'm doing more river fishing these days, especially in the colder months and with rivers, increased ride height and 4WD def comes into its own as tracks and access can be much more challenging than most of todays manicured lakes (have been stuck several times previously with rear wheel drive estates) . . .however whilst I can arrive at the lake in total comfort and blow most other vehicles off the road on the way (even when fully loaded with gear), I'm actually getting depressed at a lifetime of having to unload the barrow / load up and do the same in reverse every time . . .I basically have van envy atm . . .I have wet dreams about ramping the barrow in, strapping it down and leaving it all in the back until the next session.
Seriously considering investing in the 'ultimate' piece of carp tackle for my latter years - as per Pauls (g4fne) post, a dedicated van is calling . . .just want a 4x4 one if poss!
In reply to Post #68
I actually had this exact conversation whilst I was out there. Ive got 2 very young kids so only really go fishing twice a year, and always in france, so I decided that the van bit isnt necessary for me
Having driven the wife's car, and been so impressed, when my current car is due to go back, I may well get myself an X5, but probably a 50e as I do a lot of short journeys. I can definitely see what all the fuss is about now though
I actually had this exact conversation whilst I was out there. Ive got 2 very young kids so only really go fishing twice a year, and always in france, so I decided that the van bit isnt necessary for me
Having driven the wife's car, and been so impressed, when my current car is due to go back, I may well get myself an X5, but probably a 50e as I do a lot of short journeys. I can definitely see what all the fuss is about now though
In reply to Post #63
Shogun is pretty untouchable, just had to put ours to the grave in its 23rd year, the engine was still perfect, it became a victim of the salt on British roads in its previous life. Replaced the Shogun with a Range Rover Sport and so far quite impressed. The RR is much more comfortable albeit smaller than the Shogun. We have a LWB Primastar van as well which gets the most use due to the ease of loading/unloading. If only there were something between the two!
Shogun is pretty untouchable, just had to put ours to the grave in its 23rd year, the engine was still perfect, it became a victim of the salt on British roads in its previous life. Replaced the Shogun with a Range Rover Sport and so far quite impressed. The RR is much more comfortable albeit smaller than the Shogun. We have a LWB Primastar van as well which gets the most use due to the ease of loading/unloading. If only there were something between the two!
In reply to Post #70
The RR Sport is a great car just keep an eye on the fuel take sheild, mine went from surface rust to falling off in a matter of weeks
The RR Sport is a great car just keep an eye on the fuel take sheild, mine went from surface rust to falling off in a matter of weeks
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