I've always said I would never use a bait boat... but after seeing one of my less experienced carper mates do really well this on one of our waters since he started using one, I must say I am tempted... he keeps saying I can use his but I have been stubborn so far, but he has started outfishing me probably 3:1 since he started using it.
It's actually a small water but I'm thinking maybe less disturbance with leads crashing in has perhaps helped him...
Has anyone started using one this year?
I've been fishing since the late 80's by the way!
It's actually a small water but I'm thinking maybe less disturbance with leads crashing in has perhaps helped him...
Has anyone started using one this year?
I've been fishing since the late 80's by the way!
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I feel your pain and sense of missing out......Iv'e not yet succumbed and probably never will but by golly they have become very mainstream and it seems now that every man and his dog uses one... A sad state of affairs imho ....
I feel your pain and sense of missing out......Iv'e not yet succumbed and probably never will but by golly they have become very mainstream and it seems now that every man and his dog uses one... A sad state of affairs imho ....
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A lake I was on was like this when boats were first allowed.It is now totally the opposite,the fish seem to spook off the neatly piled baited spots.It could be total coincidence but a few lads stopped dropping bait with the boats and started catching again
A lake I was on was like this when boats were first allowed.It is now totally the opposite,the fish seem to spook off the neatly piled baited spots.It could be total coincidence but a few lads stopped dropping bait with the boats and started catching again
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Do what your happy with, not telling u what to do but on a few waters I've used 40 bait stringers, 4 x10 baits and done very well in amongst the bait boats, just a case of catching them off guard, good luck, ohh borrow his boat
Do what your happy with, not telling u what to do but on a few waters I've used 40 bait stringers, 4 x10 baits and done very well in amongst the bait boats, just a case of catching them off guard, good luck, ohh borrow his boat
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A venue I fished that allowed boats saw people driving them under the far margin bushes and canopies onto the same inaccessible (by casting) spots and catching nothing, because the fish no longer felt safe there. I caught far more simply by fishing spots that I could cast to, and that the boat brigade were ignoring.
A venue I fished that allowed boats saw people driving them under the far margin bushes and canopies onto the same inaccessible (by casting) spots and catching nothing, because the fish no longer felt safe there. I caught far more simply by fishing spots that I could cast to, and that the boat brigade were ignoring.
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They have their uses. I bought one this year for a specific water I'm doing a bit of a campaign on, not to put baits in otherwise inaccessible places, but more to carry a deeper to speed up my understanding of the lakebed and place baits with pin point accuracy.
Has it improved my catch rate? Definitely not but its cut down the amount of innacurate casts, disturbance and left me with a bit more confidence that I've presented my hookbaits a bit better. If I didn't have it, it wouldn't particularly bother me that much tbh.
They have their uses. I bought one this year for a specific water I'm doing a bit of a campaign on, not to put baits in otherwise inaccessible places, but more to carry a deeper to speed up my understanding of the lakebed and place baits with pin point accuracy.
Has it improved my catch rate? Definitely not but its cut down the amount of innacurate casts, disturbance and left me with a bit more confidence that I've presented my hookbaits a bit better. If I didn't have it, it wouldn't particularly bother me that much tbh.
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But is using a boat not "on your own terms" if you deem it necessary? Fwiw I have one but in the 6or 7 years I've had it, used it maybe 8 times. I'd rather cast ,but sometimes a boat just makes sense
But is using a boat not "on your own terms" if you deem it necessary? Fwiw I have one but in the 6or 7 years I've had it, used it maybe 8 times. I'd rather cast ,but sometimes a boat just makes sense
I bought one not so long ago. 1st time I used it a snagged a 44lb mirror. Could I have caught it without the boat? "yes". Does it take anything away from my capture? "hell no". We rely on as a species to move forward with technology and learn from it as we go. Ask any of these "purist" dreamers if they want to go to work on a horse or fish with a garden cane. You can bet they will tell you where to get off. Hypocrites!!
Give me the tech and I'll use it. And I'll laugh at those who fish alongside me that ridicule it wth every capture sticking the images under their blinkered noses. Get one, you won't regret it.
Give me the tech and I'll use it. And I'll laugh at those who fish alongside me that ridicule it wth every capture sticking the images under their blinkered noses. Get one, you won't regret it.
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Deciding where to draw the line on the use of tech in angling is a personal one. It does not make anyone a hypocrite or a purist.
Deciding where to draw the line on the use of tech in angling is a personal one. It does not make anyone a hypocrite or a purist.
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I don't have one anymore, but used one in France and enjoyed it.
I don't really see the difference in using a bait boat to using a baiting pole, only difference is the range you can use them, and no one seems upset about those!
Probably the most gifted angler of our time Terry Hearn, will use one when necessary to catch his target fish.
Have to say I'm quite pleased lots of lakes don't allow them, but that's down to the users as opposed to the equipment.
I don't have one anymore, but used one in France and enjoyed it.
I don't really see the difference in using a bait boat to using a baiting pole, only difference is the range you can use them, and no one seems upset about those!
Probably the most gifted angler of our time Terry Hearn, will use one when necessary to catch his target fish.
Have to say I'm quite pleased lots of lakes don't allow them, but that's down to the users as opposed to the equipment.
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I would love to go to work on a horse
I would love to go to work on a horse
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Is there a list of rules then??
Is there a list of rules then??
I'm too old and too skint to buy and use a bait boat. In my mind, if you can't cast a bait there, then you shouldn't be fishing there. I've had 15 attempts before to get a bait in the right place in a cross wind when casting to the edge of an island. One time the hook caught on a leaf when casting to a far bank tree line. I shook it free and it dropped in the perfect place. 20 minutes later I caught an 18lb common which was a big fish for the lake. Half the skill of fishing is casting to the right spot. Even if you're trotting for Dace you need to be on the right line.
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People that moan about boats , but pick up a bushwhacker 😂
People that moan about boats , but pick up a bushwhacker 😂
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Adam ?? you post Let's hope this thread doesn't descend into open warfare
and THEN post this utter nonsense ???
It's cheating ,and the angler is cheating himself,
Adam ?? you post Let's hope this thread doesn't descend into open warfare
and THEN post this utter nonsense ???
It's cheating ,and the angler is cheating himself,
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I agree but if using a baitboat helps someone with a disability or old age continue fishing then I'm all for it
I agree but if using a baitboat helps someone with a disability or old age continue fishing then I'm all for it
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I'd agree with that, but I doubt that would apply to hardly any current bait boat users.
I'd agree with that, but I doubt that would apply to hardly any current bait boat users.
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I was anti bait boat for years; primarily because the waters I fished didn't allow them but also because I was obviously waay carpier in my youth and was going through that superiority complex / keepin it real phase whatever that meant. . . I also had that one edge that us ageing responsible types are now rapidly running out of . . . . . time
I've had several boats over the last decade and hardly used them, however the last 3-4 yrs and the latest boat has become a staple. I don't actually always use it but its a massive time saver - finding and locating spots accurately (they're not all out of bounds / under an uncastable canopy / at 192yds) and presenting a whole gamut of presentations stealthily and silently whether in the near margin or an easily castable open water spot is a massive bonus.
I actually caught my UK PB common at 46.12 on the bait boat equivalent of a pub chuck - it was pitch black, the lights on the boat had failed and I'd dropped my rig about 20yds from where it was supposed to be . . . I had to listen to the props to actually get it back to the bank.
Has my catch rate improved? Not significantly but it maybe has resulted in captures that may not have been, had I used traditional feature finding, casting and bait application methods during the session / time available.
I say go for it - life is too short and you should use all the tech available to you if you can; each to their own!
I was anti bait boat for years; primarily because the waters I fished didn't allow them but also because I was obviously waay carpier in my youth and was going through that superiority complex / keepin it real phase whatever that meant. . . I also had that one edge that us ageing responsible types are now rapidly running out of . . . . . time
I've had several boats over the last decade and hardly used them, however the last 3-4 yrs and the latest boat has become a staple. I don't actually always use it but its a massive time saver - finding and locating spots accurately (they're not all out of bounds / under an uncastable canopy / at 192yds) and presenting a whole gamut of presentations stealthily and silently whether in the near margin or an easily castable open water spot is a massive bonus.
I actually caught my UK PB common at 46.12 on the bait boat equivalent of a pub chuck - it was pitch black, the lights on the boat had failed and I'd dropped my rig about 20yds from where it was supposed to be . . . I had to listen to the props to actually get it back to the bank.
Has my catch rate improved? Not significantly but it maybe has resulted in captures that may not have been, had I used traditional feature finding, casting and bait application methods during the session / time available.
I say go for it - life is too short and you should use all the tech available to you if you can; each to their own!
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I've only been fishing for 5 years, since retiring, I'm still useless at casting and get annoyed at not putting the rig where I want it, watched loads of YouTube to get it right but still can't.
I'd love a bait boat but can't afford one so I'll continue to get it wrong but I still catch.
I thought the fun was in the hooking and landing of the fish, waiting for the alarms to go off with your heart beating when it does. “ great “ . Try the boat out you just might like it.
I've only been fishing for 5 years, since retiring, I'm still useless at casting and get annoyed at not putting the rig where I want it, watched loads of YouTube to get it right but still can't.
I'd love a bait boat but can't afford one so I'll continue to get it wrong but I still catch.
I thought the fun was in the hooking and landing of the fish, waiting for the alarms to go off with your heart beating when it does. “ great “ . Try the boat out you just might like it.
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That's the trouble, a distinct lack of etiquette, and when a bait boat is put in the mix then heaven help us, in my experience on many waters over decades the vast majority of users leave there brain at home, did not want to say that but that's my finding, l hate rules I hate restrictions, my angling is very important to me, for a number of reasons. I've got a boat haven't used for 10 years,
My choice, and what I said earlier was my ideal world but I'm nieve
and a hippocrite probably
That's the trouble, a distinct lack of etiquette, and when a bait boat is put in the mix then heaven help us, in my experience on many waters over decades the vast majority of users leave there brain at home, did not want to say that but that's my finding, l hate rules I hate restrictions, my angling is very important to me, for a number of reasons. I've got a boat haven't used for 10 years,
My choice, and what I said earlier was my ideal world but I'm nieve
and a hippocrite probably
Each to there own, if the rules permit there use its down to the choice of the individual but I don't own one. Seen people dropping baits into snags with them but those people would be just as likely to cast into them. Not allowed on any of the waters I've fished over the last decade.
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I used to own one, these days I simply don't bother.
They are a pain in upkeep. Batteries need charging, hopper doors need oiling. Another hefty piece of equipment needing to be carted aroung the lake.
And every single one when you drop the bait if fans out as it drops. Creating a small table sized feeding spot.
A PVA mesh bag or solid bag and the hookbait is located in a very small feeding spot. Match anglers know a thing or two about how to catch and catch quickly.
Bait boats are good for boilies and particles. But fishing groundbait at range in deeper water is very hit and miss.
But they have their uses. A pair of 9ft rods with an ample smallish ringset on them. A pair of decent sized levelwind reels. And casting or boating to that elusive spot couldn't be more hassle free.
After the disturbance has died down,... cup of tea and a pot noodle for dinner,... you're in business.
So Yes,.. why not.
But I prefer the glory of that perfect cast and the disappointment of that lead in the bushes. And the silent plop of the PVA bag in the margins as you feel it down.
But if the HMS Vindictive with GPS guided bait launchers and lakemist penetrating radar is your thing.
Have at it.
2 hobbies combined sheer bliss.
I used to own one, these days I simply don't bother.
They are a pain in upkeep. Batteries need charging, hopper doors need oiling. Another hefty piece of equipment needing to be carted aroung the lake.
And every single one when you drop the bait if fans out as it drops. Creating a small table sized feeding spot.
A PVA mesh bag or solid bag and the hookbait is located in a very small feeding spot. Match anglers know a thing or two about how to catch and catch quickly.
Bait boats are good for boilies and particles. But fishing groundbait at range in deeper water is very hit and miss.
But they have their uses. A pair of 9ft rods with an ample smallish ringset on them. A pair of decent sized levelwind reels. And casting or boating to that elusive spot couldn't be more hassle free.
After the disturbance has died down,... cup of tea and a pot noodle for dinner,... you're in business.
So Yes,.. why not.
But I prefer the glory of that perfect cast and the disappointment of that lead in the bushes. And the silent plop of the PVA bag in the margins as you feel it down.
But if the HMS Vindictive with GPS guided bait launchers and lakemist penetrating radar is your thing.
Have at it.
2 hobbies combined sheer bliss.
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. . . but you can use mesh and solid PVA bags in baitboats . . micro sized or mahoosive, uncastable beasts!
. . . but you can use mesh and solid PVA bags in baitboats . . micro sized or mahoosive, uncastable beasts!
If someone uses a bait boat to place a rig beyond the range that can cast to or to bait up around a rig because they can't do it with a spod/spomb or to place a rig under a over hang that again they can't cast to does the catch deserve the same credit as would be given to an angler that caught by casting to the same spot? In my eyes ten out of ten to the guy with the skill to cast it, four out of ten to the angler with the bait boat.
A couple of years ago we were going to lose the lease on a lake we syndicated. I thought I would take my wife for one of the last nights. She's never held a fishing rod and would have no chance casting so she borrowed an older gentleman's bait boat to put her rig and bait out.
She learned his to use the boat pretty quickly and dropped next to a bed of lillies. First light next morning with a bit of help she landed a 32lb carp....
Zero skill, zero experience, zero water craft but caught a lump of a fish.
For those who physically cannot cast then fair play. But for me, using a bait boat is inferior fishing and any fish caught lacks the repute of one caught with the skill of angling.
She learned his to use the boat pretty quickly and dropped next to a bed of lillies. First light next morning with a bit of help she landed a 32lb carp....
Zero skill, zero experience, zero water craft but caught a lump of a fish.
For those who physically cannot cast then fair play. But for me, using a bait boat is inferior fishing and any fish caught lacks the repute of one caught with the skill of angling.
Fished Farlows a few years ago, was like a shipping lane in the middle of the lake.
Not a fan at all. The OP should consider the long term effects on their fishing. Ironically catch more fish whilst slowing down your progression as an angler.
Lakes I've fished that allow bait boats see less marker work and watercraft in general. Boat owners sail their toys clean into the far margin under an overhanging tree without much thought as to what spots they can find.
Just to be clear, I fully recognise the benefit they offer and that for some people, it's not about the process it's more about the result.
I'm looking forward to teaching my kids how to cast a rod.
Not a fan at all. The OP should consider the long term effects on their fishing. Ironically catch more fish whilst slowing down your progression as an angler.
Lakes I've fished that allow bait boats see less marker work and watercraft in general. Boat owners sail their toys clean into the far margin under an overhanging tree without much thought as to what spots they can find.
Just to be clear, I fully recognise the benefit they offer and that for some people, it's not about the process it's more about the result.
I'm looking forward to teaching my kids how to cast a rod.
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Casting is so last centery
Casting is so last centery
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I used to be against them but bought one 12 months ago for a couple of reasons.
My fishing time has become restricted and so using the echo sounder instead of spending 'X' amount of time chucking out a marker rod to find spots, and then another 'X' amount of time spodding if needed.
Also with lakes getting busier I'm not thrashing the water to a froth and less bother to other anglers.
I used to be against them but bought one 12 months ago for a couple of reasons.
My fishing time has become restricted and so using the echo sounder instead of spending 'X' amount of time chucking out a marker rod to find spots, and then another 'X' amount of time spodding if needed.
Also with lakes getting busier I'm not thrashing the water to a froth and less bother to other anglers.
In reply to Post #34
someone i knew used to constantly slag baitboats off, yet he'd defend his use of a rowing boat
someone i knew used to constantly slag baitboats off, yet he'd defend his use of a rowing boat
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My issue is with bait boats is that it takes a way carps sanctuary. Surely, this cant be good for their long term stress levels.
My issue is with bait boats is that it takes a way carps sanctuary. Surely, this cant be good for their long term stress levels.
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Their sanctuary could be under a nearside bush, but would you stop fishing for them there?
Their sanctuary could be under a nearside bush, but would you stop fishing for them there?
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I think you're missing the point. If it's possible to put a bait under the nearside bush without a boat then it's not likely to be their sanctuary. Sending a boat 20 feet under an overhanging tree on a far margin, which would be impossible to cast to, would more likely be where the fish find sanctuary. Think of it as a "natural" out of bounds.
I think you're missing the point. If it's possible to put a bait under the nearside bush without a boat then it's not likely to be their sanctuary. Sending a boat 20 feet under an overhanging tree on a far margin, which would be impossible to cast to, would more likely be where the fish find sanctuary. Think of it as a "natural" out of bounds.
I've never fished anywhere that allows baitboats where they haven't been abused.
I own one myself and lent it to a friend who used it to devastating effect on a small water without putting a bait in an uncastable spot. Personally I haven't used it, even to place a bed of hemp (reason for purchase) in fifteen years.
I did allow them on my place a few years ago, but quickly reversed that decision after them being abused and already have it in mind to place a length limit on baiting poles if they're abused.
I own one myself and lent it to a friend who used it to devastating effect on a small water without putting a bait in an uncastable spot. Personally I haven't used it, even to place a bed of hemp (reason for purchase) in fifteen years.
I did allow them on my place a few years ago, but quickly reversed that decision after them being abused and already have it in mind to place a length limit on baiting poles if they're abused.
In reply to Post #39
i have a bait boat, only use it in France once a year if i need too
i cant stand spombing, takes too much effort, makes too much noise and mess in my book.
i have a bait boat, only use it in France once a year if i need too
i cant stand spombing, takes too much effort, makes too much noise and mess in my book.
I think if you apply the following guideline you will be OK
Always hide your boat when not in use.
If any other angler catches refer to these captures as ‘he had one last night which I think was boated right out'
If you catch one using a boat simply slip it in a retainer and tell the photographer that you'd watched it from 2am and it finally slipped up to a single grain of hemp actually under the bank.
Job done
Always hide your boat when not in use.
If any other angler catches refer to these captures as ‘he had one last night which I think was boated right out'
If you catch one using a boat simply slip it in a retainer and tell the photographer that you'd watched it from 2am and it finally slipped up to a single grain of hemp actually under the bank.
Job done
In reply to Post #38
We've an area like that on the lake my mate and I fish, a natural out of bounds / safe area that the carp can relax or recuperate in.
Anyone with a bait boat is almost guaranteed to catch if they drop their bait there but I think the question is should they.
As you say perhaps we should leave some of these areas in peace.
We've an area like that on the lake my mate and I fish, a natural out of bounds / safe area that the carp can relax or recuperate in.
Anyone with a bait boat is almost guaranteed to catch if they drop their bait there but I think the question is should they.
As you say perhaps we should leave some of these areas in peace.
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Couple of lakes on a club ticket (which bans boats altogether) have genuine, roped off, out of bounds areas and the fish will crash out there all day long. If there wasn't a rope, I am convinced people would still fish the area, despite it being out of bounds.
So I think the "should they" question is better framed as "will they" and I reckon the answer, 9 times out of 10, would be "yes they would".
Therefore, proper out of bounds areas should be physically impossible to fish to if they're to provide real refuge for the fish, since there are so many anglers that will happily break rules.
Further to that, any area that was previously "physically impossible to fish to" (e.g. the far margin overhang, the "natural out of bounds") is no longer a sanctuary for the fish, because anyone can drive a boat under there.
Given that angling is essentially a sport, and we're all always going on about etiquette, I think it's something seriously worth thinking about. How sporting is it, when your quarry has absolutely nowhere it can go to feel completely safe?
Not very, in my opinion.
Couple of lakes on a club ticket (which bans boats altogether) have genuine, roped off, out of bounds areas and the fish will crash out there all day long. If there wasn't a rope, I am convinced people would still fish the area, despite it being out of bounds.
So I think the "should they" question is better framed as "will they" and I reckon the answer, 9 times out of 10, would be "yes they would".
Therefore, proper out of bounds areas should be physically impossible to fish to if they're to provide real refuge for the fish, since there are so many anglers that will happily break rules.
Further to that, any area that was previously "physically impossible to fish to" (e.g. the far margin overhang, the "natural out of bounds") is no longer a sanctuary for the fish, because anyone can drive a boat under there.
Given that angling is essentially a sport, and we're all always going on about etiquette, I think it's something seriously worth thinking about. How sporting is it, when your quarry has absolutely nowhere it can go to feel completely safe?
Not very, in my opinion.
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Theres a big assumption that everyone that owns or regularly uses a boat somehow abuses it by placing baits where they cannot be cast - in my experience this is possibly the absolute minority - I still use a boat on my syndicate for a lots of spots - I can cast and bait up ALL of them 'manually' but choose not to based on time, accuracy, disturbance and convenience. . .
Theres a big assumption that everyone that owns or regularly uses a boat somehow abuses it by placing baits where they cannot be cast - in my experience this is possibly the absolute minority - I still use a boat on my syndicate for a lots of spots - I can cast and bait up ALL of them 'manually' but choose not to based on time, accuracy, disturbance and convenience. . .
In reply to Post #39
I banned both Baitboats and Deepers from may 1st , I found the same “When the Cats away the Mice will play” as soon as no one is around off they sail into the snags, behind over-hanging bushes, or up and down the lake with a deeper fitted on the back looking for fish etc.
Odd one moaned for a bit, I remember one saying “It's ok for you- you can cast and hit a fag packet at 80 yards” I replied “So can anyone, it's called practice, practice ,practice!”
I banned both Baitboats and Deepers from may 1st , I found the same “When the Cats away the Mice will play” as soon as no one is around off they sail into the snags, behind over-hanging bushes, or up and down the lake with a deeper fitted on the back looking for fish etc.
Odd one moaned for a bit, I remember one saying “It's ok for you- you can cast and hit a fag packet at 80 yards” I replied “So can anyone, it's called practice, practice ,practice!”
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If that's the case Keith I would question banning the anglers doing it first rather than the tools to do it because it's still the same angler and his thoughts just without the tech, what other strokes are they prepared to pull when they're not being watched?
A bad angler with the tech in the next swim is still a bad angler without it and likely to cast across you, pi$$ you off by something they're doing that you wouldn't dream of or you question your own mind as to why they would do it, a bad workman will always blame his tools in this case a bad angler will abuse the rules.
To the OP, Life's too short, you want to be happy in anything make your own decisions use it appropriately and respectfully and worry not what others think or consider if it carries any less merit of a capture, it's what you think or care that matters.
I doubt the GOAT TH cares if a baitboat caught fish carries any less credit that a rod dropped in the edge on an ultra balanced rig walked out treading the lead in and putting all the reed stems back in order on the way back to the swim just encase the carp spots something out of place, the aim is too catch a few and enjoy doing it along the way.
If that's the case Keith I would question banning the anglers doing it first rather than the tools to do it because it's still the same angler and his thoughts just without the tech, what other strokes are they prepared to pull when they're not being watched?
A bad angler with the tech in the next swim is still a bad angler without it and likely to cast across you, pi$$ you off by something they're doing that you wouldn't dream of or you question your own mind as to why they would do it, a bad workman will always blame his tools in this case a bad angler will abuse the rules.
To the OP, Life's too short, you want to be happy in anything make your own decisions use it appropriately and respectfully and worry not what others think or consider if it carries any less merit of a capture, it's what you think or care that matters.
I doubt the GOAT TH cares if a baitboat caught fish carries any less credit that a rod dropped in the edge on an ultra balanced rig walked out treading the lead in and putting all the reed stems back in order on the way back to the swim just encase the carp spots something out of place, the aim is too catch a few and enjoy doing it along the way.
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The only word I can think of that describes what drives them to do stupid things putting the welfare of the fish and other peoples enjoyment in jeopardy is “Desperation!”
Level playing field with nobody with any advantages over anyone else, and soon the ones who did use them realised they did not need them in the first place – that's a fact I've witnessed with my own eyes.
The only word I can think of that describes what drives them to do stupid things putting the welfare of the fish and other peoples enjoyment in jeopardy is “Desperation!”
Level playing field with nobody with any advantages over anyone else, and soon the ones who did use them realised they did not need them in the first place – that's a fact I've witnessed with my own eyes.
So, are baitboats cheating, but bait spoons are ok?
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Who cares what others think, fish safety, act with respect, don't take piss ,don't piss others off, keep quiet , and do your thing
Who cares what others think, fish safety, act with respect, don't take piss ,don't piss others off, keep quiet , and do your thing
In reply to Post #49
That's spot on. Who is anyone to say anything (legal) is cheating?!
That's spot on. Who is anyone to say anything (legal) is cheating?!
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All true
All true
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Is it right to ban something because of the idiots????? Long time ago I fished a syndicate in the bottom of a valley and the track leading down to was driveable but very ptted with holes and tree roots like sleeping policemen. We were permitted to drive down and take kit to the swim but then had to drive back up and park at the top. This was only a small syndicate of 30 anglers but two idiots used to leave their cars at the bottom blocking the bridle way, the owner of the syndicate didn't have the nuts to take their ticket so banned everyone from driving down the track, some members never fished there again as they couldn't push their kit back up the track.
Is it right to ban something because of the idiots????? Long time ago I fished a syndicate in the bottom of a valley and the track leading down to was driveable but very ptted with holes and tree roots like sleeping policemen. We were permitted to drive down and take kit to the swim but then had to drive back up and park at the top. This was only a small syndicate of 30 anglers but two idiots used to leave their cars at the bottom blocking the bridle way, the owner of the syndicate didn't have the nuts to take their ticket so banned everyone from driving down the track, some members never fished there again as they couldn't push their kit back up the track.
In reply to Post #49
I dont particularly care who does what, but let's be honest here, someone with a bait spoon can do exactly the same as someone with a boat at shortish distance
I dont particularly care who does what, but let's be honest here, someone with a bait spoon can do exactly the same as someone with a boat at shortish distance
In reply to Post #54
And a baiting spoons should be used responsibly along with eny other parifinalier the angler deams appropriate
And a baiting spoons should be used responsibly along with eny other parifinalier the angler deams appropriate
In reply to Post #53
In reply to Post #53
Most rules are in place because of idiots,in an ideal world there would be no rules just common sense unfortunately that is in short supply with some anglers.
Most rules are in place because of idiots,in an ideal world there would be no rules just common sense unfortunately that is in short supply with some anglers.
In reply to Post #53
It must have been crap fishing - if all the other members just sat there said nothing, and watched two clowns put the access to what they had paid good money for in jeopardy.
It must have been crap fishing - if all the other members just sat there said nothing, and watched two clowns put the access to what they had paid good money for in jeopardy.
In reply to Post #58
It was good fishing in an absolutely stunning location. Sadly nobody saw them leave their vehicles there except for the horse riders who asked them to move and were spoken to in a rude manner so complained immediately to the owner. It was the type of place rarely found now that you could fish during the week and it would be rare to see another angler.
It was good fishing in an absolutely stunning location. Sadly nobody saw them leave their vehicles there except for the horse riders who asked them to move and were spoken to in a rude manner so complained immediately to the owner. It was the type of place rarely found now that you could fish during the week and it would be rare to see another angler.
In reply to Post #59
I bet the culprits were not very welcome from then on
I bet the culprits were not very welcome from then on
In reply to Post #60
The owner wouldn't say who it was but I believe one of them may have been one of the two bailiff's but I do know one of the guys that never went back was farely old and asked for a full refund but not sure if he got it.
The owner wouldn't say who it was but I believe one of them may have been one of the two bailiff's but I do know one of the guys that never went back was farely old and asked for a full refund but not sure if he got it.
Get a Carp Royal Baron. Love mine. Not cheap. German engineering 
In reply to Post #51
. . . feels to me like waters (syndicates / membership venues) need to vet anglers in general more effectively. In the Midlands where this type of venue is few and far between the 'interview' process is usually pretty stringent and for good reason. The best waters baliff themselves as anglers are pretty much all like minded
There will always be stroke pullers with or without boats that like to push the boundaries because thats their USP - once discovered - ban them - simple. A blanket ban of a certain method is lazy management IMO and unfair on the majority that respect both the rules and environment - the only exception to this is day tickets where it makes total sense . . .
. . . feels to me like waters (syndicates / membership venues) need to vet anglers in general more effectively. In the Midlands where this type of venue is few and far between the 'interview' process is usually pretty stringent and for good reason. The best waters baliff themselves as anglers are pretty much all like minded
There will always be stroke pullers with or without boats that like to push the boundaries because thats their USP - once discovered - ban them - simple. A blanket ban of a certain method is lazy management IMO and unfair on the majority that respect both the rules and environment - the only exception to this is day tickets where it makes total sense . . .
In reply to Post #44
Chris. I've no problem if boats are used responsibly, in fact I'd rather see a boat than put up with heavy baiting and feature finding by other means
However on one of the lakes I fish, it seems to be about 50% of boat users that drop baits under the trees where it's impossible to cast. I normally fish close to two such areas so have a good view of this.
One bit of fallout was a carp tethered by a submerged branch after taking the bait in one of these “safe” areas.
Chris. I've no problem if boats are used responsibly, in fact I'd rather see a boat than put up with heavy baiting and feature finding by other means
However on one of the lakes I fish, it seems to be about 50% of boat users that drop baits under the trees where it's impossible to cast. I normally fish close to two such areas so have a good view of this.
One bit of fallout was a carp tethered by a submerged branch after taking the bait in one of these “safe” areas.
In reply to Post #3
I fish farlows a lot and now all of my decent hits are over a decent spread in open water.
Before boats were allowed it was always a case of whomever fishes closest to the island wins
To the op, fish the complete opposite to how a boat would fish. You might be surprised
I fish farlows a lot and now all of my decent hits are over a decent spread in open water.
Before boats were allowed it was always a case of whomever fishes closest to the island wins
To the op, fish the complete opposite to how a boat would fish. You might be surprised
In reply to Post #64
. . .poor fishery management also must contirbute to this problem as well though - whilst I love mature tree lined estate type lakes overhanging trees do become a problem for the reasons you've stated and more - solution = keep them chopped back
. . .poor fishery management also must contirbute to this problem as well though - whilst I love mature tree lined estate type lakes overhanging trees do become a problem for the reasons you've stated and more - solution = keep them chopped back
In reply to Post #67
Yes, overgrown trees inhibit the size of the swim, and make casting problematic. When the canopy on either side meet overhead. Having to cast from a kneeling position is less than ideal.
Yes, overgrown trees inhibit the size of the swim, and make casting problematic. When the canopy on either side meet overhead. Having to cast from a kneeling position is less than ideal.
In reply to Post #35
Difference with a row boat is that the angler can get out to the fish if required.
Difference with a row boat is that the angler can get out to the fish if required.
In reply to Post #67
I agree with that to a certain extent, certainly from a fish safely point of view. It is quite a natural lake but well kept, the owner does trim branches in most areas and keep it well manicured apart from a few areas that create some safe havens. It's a pleasure to walk around and I wouldn't like to see it lose trees or have them deformed.
I certainly wouldn't want it to become like the much easier sterile commercial fishery we occasionally visit.
Other than chopping all the trees back, perhaps the owner should be thinking about restricting the fishing of a few danger areas. Most of us do already respect those areas anyway, it's just a few that push the boundaries to catch at all costs. Perhaps they should fish the easier commercial fishery if they are that desperate.
I agree with that to a certain extent, certainly from a fish safely point of view. It is quite a natural lake but well kept, the owner does trim branches in most areas and keep it well manicured apart from a few areas that create some safe havens. It's a pleasure to walk around and I wouldn't like to see it lose trees or have them deformed.
I certainly wouldn't want it to become like the much easier sterile commercial fishery we occasionally visit.
Other than chopping all the trees back, perhaps the owner should be thinking about restricting the fishing of a few danger areas. Most of us do already respect those areas anyway, it's just a few that push the boundaries to catch at all costs. Perhaps they should fish the easier commercial fishery if they are that desperate.
In reply to Post #69
arrrgh...but that is not what the conversation ive had....
im all for fish rescue, but this is purely re bait placement
arrrgh...but that is not what the conversation ive had....
im all for fish rescue, but this is purely re bait placement
In reply to Post #70
I'm probably in the minority here but one of the things baitboat captures does for me,is it somehow devalues all the old ,hard earned captures of yesteryear...... Now when i see endless feeds of trophy shots,most mean little or nothing .... Can't help thinking ''yeah ,nice fish ,but did you just chugg 'em out and reel 'em in'' ...Soulless carping at its best......The kudos has long since vanished.....
Regards Tad.
I'm probably in the minority here but one of the things baitboat captures does for me,is it somehow devalues all the old ,hard earned captures of yesteryear...... Now when i see endless feeds of trophy shots,most mean little or nothing .... Can't help thinking ''yeah ,nice fish ,but did you just chugg 'em out and reel 'em in'' ...Soulless carping at its best......The kudos has long since vanished.....
Regards Tad.
In reply to Post #65
Glad to see someone with a broader outlook.
In the dutch city of utrecht there was a vote on a total ban of fishing for all public waters. They lost by just one vote, until the next vote. In the city of almere all maintenance of public fishing posts is cancelled, on top of a ban on world and eurocup matches. I'm sure if i read some more local news i could go on for a day listing the trend.
And that's the real problem, we have a club of peepo that consider humans as not being a part of nature, like little gods overestimating their already lacking mental capacities. I;m not going to bother everybody with an endless essay, but jabbies and nappies are peas from the same pot as a ban on fishing. In the end it boils down to how you view the position of humans in relation to nature.
On topic, yes baitboats are cheating (as are bolt rigs:P), but i use my oldtimer regularly to prebait a bit quicker.
Glad to see someone with a broader outlook.
In the dutch city of utrecht there was a vote on a total ban of fishing for all public waters. They lost by just one vote, until the next vote. In the city of almere all maintenance of public fishing posts is cancelled, on top of a ban on world and eurocup matches. I'm sure if i read some more local news i could go on for a day listing the trend.
And that's the real problem, we have a club of peepo that consider humans as not being a part of nature, like little gods overestimating their already lacking mental capacities. I;m not going to bother everybody with an endless essay, but jabbies and nappies are peas from the same pot as a ban on fishing. In the end it boils down to how you view the position of humans in relation to nature.
On topic, yes baitboats are cheating (as are bolt rigs:P), but i use my oldtimer regularly to prebait a bit quicker.
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In reply to Post #74
It goes back to post #1 where the original poster said a less experienced angler than himself was catching three times the amount he was because the inexperienced angler was using a bait boat.
It goes back to post #1 where the original poster said a less experienced angler than himself was catching three times the amount he was because the inexperienced angler was using a bait boat.
In reply to Post #75
Well I suppose the big question then is why do we go fishing
Well I suppose the big question then is why do we go fishing
In reply to Post #76
to enjoy the open air and wildlife....for me, its not really about catching anymore
to enjoy the open air and wildlife....for me, its not really about catching anymore
In reply to Post #75
Quality over quantity and that includes the quality of the experiance, the old effort equals reward.
Quality over quantity and that includes the quality of the experiance, the old effort equals reward.
In reply to Post #77
Hasn't been for me for years, just being there is enough.
Hasn't been for me for years, just being there is enough.
In reply to Post #79
We all have our own values and reasons, and long may that last,
We all have our own values and reasons, and long may that last,
In reply to Post #71
If it's purely down to bait (and rig) placement then it is far harder to achieve via a row boat than with a remote controlled bait boat. Lots to go wrong and it's bloody hard graft too.
If it's purely down to bait (and rig) placement then it is far harder to achieve via a row boat than with a remote controlled bait boat. Lots to go wrong and it's bloody hard graft too.
In reply to Post #19
Why,one might as well stay at home and play on a carp game simulation..
Just my opinion..
and IMHO is laughable
In the 60s I bought a Heron bite alarm and was fishing a lake when a guy fishing there came round and started ranting at me
Thats cheating your using an electric bite detector no skill involved just cheating !!!! ( he was a nob)
few years later I had boiled up a load of hempseed and was throwing it in the margins under the trees
when another errr person came round and started ranting
YOUR drugging the fish its cheating your turning them into addicts ( around this time lots of clubs started banning hempseed because of these rumours) he was a nob
and now we have baitboats
and we have err some people saying its cheating
same people that often tucked up fast asleep being woken up by a fish thats hooked itself
Technology moves on either embrace it or ignore it its YOUR choice
Why,one might as well stay at home and play on a carp game simulation..
Just my opinion..
and IMHO is laughable
In the 60s I bought a Heron bite alarm and was fishing a lake when a guy fishing there came round and started ranting at me
Thats cheating your using an electric bite detector no skill involved just cheating !!!! ( he was a nob)
few years later I had boiled up a load of hempseed and was throwing it in the margins under the trees
when another errr person came round and started ranting
YOUR drugging the fish its cheating your turning them into addicts ( around this time lots of clubs started banning hempseed because of these rumours) he was a nob
and now we have baitboats
and we have err some people saying its cheating
same people that often tucked up fast asleep being woken up by a fish thats hooked itself
Technology moves on either embrace it or ignore it its YOUR choice
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In reply to Post #83
I ONLY called 2 people nob`s the bite alarm nob and the hempseed man a nob
I have the upmost respect for Adam and would never call him a nob
but I passionately disagree with him about using the cheating terminology I honestly think its silly
and in 20 years time people will all be using baitboats and arguing about something else
I ONLY called 2 people nob`s the bite alarm nob and the hempseed man a nob
I have the upmost respect for Adam and would never call him a nob
but I passionately disagree with him about using the cheating terminology I honestly think its silly
and in 20 years time people will all be using baitboats and arguing about something else
In reply to Post #84
In reply to Post #1
Dont do it.... it waters down the acheivment for me. As with many things in angling i just dismiss captures that i dont agree with and put them in an imaginary bin never to be remembered again but i now do it silently rather than so vocaly as i used to do because if the rules on such waters allow it then theres no point. At the end of the day i understand the arguements but choose not to use one.
Dont do it.... it waters down the acheivment for me. As with many things in angling i just dismiss captures that i dont agree with and put them in an imaginary bin never to be remembered again but i now do it silently rather than so vocaly as i used to do because if the rules on such waters allow it then theres no point. At the end of the day i understand the arguements but choose not to use one.
In reply to Post #72
I'm probably in the minority here but one of the things baitboat captures does for me,is it somehow devalues all the old ,hard earned captures of yesteryear...
But then, you could say that about the hair rig too. Technology and knowledge will always advance, or we'd still be fishing with spuds and 'tank aerial' rods
I'm probably in the minority here but one of the things baitboat captures does for me,is it somehow devalues all the old ,hard earned captures of yesteryear...
But then, you could say that about the hair rig too. Technology and knowledge will always advance, or we'd still be fishing with spuds and 'tank aerial' rods
In reply to Post #77
You may as well just go camping then frenzy , 🤭
You may as well just go camping then frenzy , 🤭
Robot carping 
Man loads baits into boat and sails it all around his swim whilst sat in his bivvy with the door down so have can see his IPad screen, repeats with all three rods, merit = zero for me
See, in the above or similar situations I fail to see the excitement as the “angler” holds the fish up for a well earned picture!
Thanks, but no thanks, like said, choices but when you start asking for merit and people know the real story behind the captures it becomes pretty pointless really, bit of a joke in some circumstances, the word desperate springs to mind
The reality is people can make judgement quite easily, knowing the water, the fish and how they were caught and then rate the capture based on merit, if you don't tick the boxes be prepared for all the flack you get, you asked for it
Man loads baits into boat and sails it all around his swim whilst sat in his bivvy with the door down so have can see his IPad screen, repeats with all three rods, merit = zero for me
See, in the above or similar situations I fail to see the excitement as the “angler” holds the fish up for a well earned picture!
Thanks, but no thanks, like said, choices but when you start asking for merit and people know the real story behind the captures it becomes pretty pointless really, bit of a joke in some circumstances, the word desperate springs to mind
The reality is people can make judgement quite easily, knowing the water, the fish and how they were caught and then rate the capture based on merit, if you don't tick the boxes be prepared for all the flack you get, you asked for it
In reply to Post #88
i do most the time anyway
i do most the time anyway
Baitboats being 'cheating' is the modern day 'bite alarms are cheating'. Typically from the same blokes who think that because they've fished for XX years, are instantly better than everyone else.
Fish however you want, respectfully, safely and have fun. Don't let some old wrinklies ruin that.
FYI - haven't ever owned a bait boat, can't see that ever changing. Much prefer the satisfaction of casting myself.
Fish however you want, respectfully, safely and have fun. Don't let some old wrinklies ruin that.
FYI - haven't ever owned a bait boat, can't see that ever changing. Much prefer the satisfaction of casting myself.
In reply to Post #91
blokes who think that because they've fished for XX years, are instantly better than everyone else.
NO they dont ?
only in your mind
FYI I have owned and used 5 different bait boats never used one in this country all mine were used in very large lakes in France at ranges impossible to cast too
blokes who think that because they've fished for XX years, are instantly better than everyone else.
NO they dont ?
only in your mind
FYI I have owned and used 5 different bait boats never used one in this country all mine were used in very large lakes in France at ranges impossible to cast too
The difference between the hair rig and the Heron bite alarm to the latest GPS, Sonar, camera blah, blah, bait boats is enormous, if we carry on like this what if technology in the future gives us a device that catches you a fish say every 20 minutes, or any desired time interval that you have selected, would that be a good thing?
After all it's about catching isn't it?
In reply to Post #1
I have just bought one (ND2 Bait boat) for a france trip this year.
All the tickets i have for the UK have bait boat bans in place, so wont affect my fishing here. I may take it out as a novelty on socials if there is a chance to use it.
Its not the bait boats that are the problem in my eyes, just the idiots who use them in desperation or unsafe conditions, with a catch at all costs approach.
Strange on how so many people call it out on here but weren't doing the same when Terry the messiah had the parrot
I have just bought one (ND2 Bait boat) for a france trip this year.
All the tickets i have for the UK have bait boat bans in place, so wont affect my fishing here. I may take it out as a novelty on socials if there is a chance to use it.
Its not the bait boats that are the problem in my eyes, just the idiots who use them in desperation or unsafe conditions, with a catch at all costs approach.
Strange on how so many people call it out on here but weren't doing the same when Terry the messiah had the parrot
In reply to Post #94
Plenty did call him out for it, fact is a bait boat with sonar, GPS plotter ect is a short cut to finding spots, makes it easier to place a rig on the spot and to bait up around it. Personally I don't see how anyone could get the same satisfaction doing it that way as someone that does it without the boat. I'm not against them as has been said here already, do your own thing and let others do theirs. Regards TH capture of the parrot people did call him out for using the boat and most don't rate his capture of it as highly as others.
Plenty did call him out for it, fact is a bait boat with sonar, GPS plotter ect is a short cut to finding spots, makes it easier to place a rig on the spot and to bait up around it. Personally I don't see how anyone could get the same satisfaction doing it that way as someone that does it without the boat. I'm not against them as has been said here already, do your own thing and let others do theirs. Regards TH capture of the parrot people did call him out for using the boat and most don't rate his capture of it as highly as others.
In reply to Post #95
Call me a nod, we can't uninvent the wheel but what about a code of conduct issued with every new bait boat, I'm half serious,
Call me a nod, we can't uninvent the wheel but what about a code of conduct issued with every new bait boat, I'm half serious,
In reply to Post #96
Yeah but your assuming people that buy them can read,
Yeah but your assuming people that buy them can read,
So long as you follow rules, treat carp in a safe way and don't jeopardise them angling of others, fish in the way you find pleasing and fun,
It's a hobby, to be enjoyed, not a professional work place where al efforts may be under scrutiny.
Go down that rabbit hole and it loses its magic. Trust me.
Enjoy all.
It's a hobby, to be enjoyed, not a professional work place where al efforts may be under scrutiny.
Go down that rabbit hole and it loses its magic. Trust me.
Enjoy all.
In reply to Post #97
have pictures
have pictures
In reply to Post #98
got ya
got ya
In reply to Post #98
It's a hobby, to be enjoyed, not a professional work place where al efforts may be under scrutiny.
It certainly is a hobby
However. When people are trying to claim fame from a capture you could say that is a different story, put it out to the people, they will pass judgment
It's a hobby, to be enjoyed, not a professional work place where al efforts may be under scrutiny.
It certainly is a hobby
However. When people are trying to claim fame from a capture you could say that is a different story, put it out to the people, they will pass judgment
In reply to Post #101
My god next your be saying the great and the good fish for wronguns
My god next your be saying the great and the good fish for wronguns
In reply to Post #102
The great and good as you put it fish for whatever can get them a bit of attention
Most genuine carp anglers that I know just go about their business, it's about the fish, not trying to get their face recognised
The great and good as you put it fish for whatever can get them a bit of attention
Most genuine carp anglers that I know just go about their business, it's about the fish, not trying to get their face recognised
Thanks all! Quite some response...
I think I'll resist using one a bit longer, I've managed this long anyway!
I think I'll resist using one a bit longer, I've managed this long anyway!
I'm anti bait boats for my own reasons, although if someone is disabled and can't cast I have no objections.
Years ago I owned one and found my 'competitive' edge found me putting baits far to close to snags, right under trees on an island, where alder tree roots were a problem. When I had to go out in a boat to retrieve a snagged fish I stopped using it.
Years ago I owned one and found my 'competitive' edge found me putting baits far to close to snags, right under trees on an island, where alder tree roots were a problem. When I had to go out in a boat to retrieve a snagged fish I stopped using it.
In reply to Post #105
That Nick, probably goes on country wide every day.... Though i doubt many have the luxury of a boat to go out and free them..... :(
Regards Tad.
That Nick, probably goes on country wide every day.... Though i doubt many have the luxury of a boat to go out and free them..... :(
Regards Tad.
In reply to Post #106
Should every responsible lake owner have a boat with contact number clearly visible on with someone available that knows how to use it?
Should every responsible lake owner have a boat with contact number clearly visible on with someone available that knows how to use it?
In reply to Post #89
. . .think there's a few sour grapes on here (maybe i'm wrong) but I still vaguely understand the anti-boat sentiment being one of them by virtue for many many years. All depends on the waters you fish but I don't de-merit my baitboat captures against fish that I've caught previously without using one . . .different waters / different gravy - life is also too short; its a hobby ffs.
Boats dont 'instantly' make carp fishing any easier necessarily, nor do they replace the core watercraft and fishing skills that are needed to be effective anyway before you actually use one. Yes a noob can boat out the latest fandango ronnie rig at 150yds and top it with 3kg of freebies in a single operation - that won't guarantee fish if its in a completely daft spot or area where they never feed in the first place plus they still need to be able to hook play and land the fish.
Conversley an experienced angler that can cast accurately and present an effective rig virtually anywhere, knows instinctively how and when to feed may still choose to use a boat based on the lake being fished and dependant on the situation at hand (eg Terry Hearn / Dave Lane)
In addition - why is a rowing boat / inflatable with an outboard perceived to be 'hardcore carpy' whereas a bait boat is labelled as cheating? Why is it 'ok' to use a bait boat in France whereas its 'not ok' to use one in the UK (whether or not they're banned) ?
Both are just tools IMO - choose to use / not to use them as you see fit!
. . .think there's a few sour grapes on here (maybe i'm wrong) but I still vaguely understand the anti-boat sentiment being one of them by virtue for many many years. All depends on the waters you fish but I don't de-merit my baitboat captures against fish that I've caught previously without using one . . .different waters / different gravy - life is also too short; its a hobby ffs.
Boats dont 'instantly' make carp fishing any easier necessarily, nor do they replace the core watercraft and fishing skills that are needed to be effective anyway before you actually use one. Yes a noob can boat out the latest fandango ronnie rig at 150yds and top it with 3kg of freebies in a single operation - that won't guarantee fish if its in a completely daft spot or area where they never feed in the first place plus they still need to be able to hook play and land the fish.
Conversley an experienced angler that can cast accurately and present an effective rig virtually anywhere, knows instinctively how and when to feed may still choose to use a boat based on the lake being fished and dependant on the situation at hand (eg Terry Hearn / Dave Lane)
In addition - why is a rowing boat / inflatable with an outboard perceived to be 'hardcore carpy' whereas a bait boat is labelled as cheating? Why is it 'ok' to use a bait boat in France whereas its 'not ok' to use one in the UK (whether or not they're banned) ?
Both are just tools IMO - choose to use / not to use them as you see fit!
In reply to Post #108
When i see tom maker hauling 30'ies like it is nothing on b2 (or something similar), and i compare that to him struggling on a belgian canal and being happy like a kid with a double it does tell a story, a story of merit. With all else being equal, the same can be said of many bait boat captures. But you are right, sometimes a bait boat is the right tool, with the emphasis on sometimes.
In the 90'ies i was one of the first making use of this tool, and if i was to mention numbers nobody would believe me. Now that i don't use one whilst fishing, numbers are dramatically lower. Out of laziness i used the word cheating, but maybe fooling yourself is better. In the end i do see an order of merit comparing catches and to me somebody catching a couple from the top in a short time is a way better angler than somebody like me catching non stop with a bait boat and infinite bait. But, each to their own, and who am i to judge:P
When i see tom maker hauling 30'ies like it is nothing on b2 (or something similar), and i compare that to him struggling on a belgian canal and being happy like a kid with a double it does tell a story, a story of merit. With all else being equal, the same can be said of many bait boat captures. But you are right, sometimes a bait boat is the right tool, with the emphasis on sometimes.
In the 90'ies i was one of the first making use of this tool, and if i was to mention numbers nobody would believe me. Now that i don't use one whilst fishing, numbers are dramatically lower. Out of laziness i used the word cheating, but maybe fooling yourself is better. In the end i do see an order of merit comparing catches and to me somebody catching a couple from the top in a short time is a way better angler than somebody like me catching non stop with a bait boat and infinite bait. But, each to their own, and who am i to judge:P
In reply to Post #109
It's difficult when we see someone doing something that we may not agree with but if it's within the rules it really has nothing to do with us, the only people we should be judging is ourselves.
It's difficult when we see someone doing something that we may not agree with but if it's within the rules it really has nothing to do with us, the only people we should be judging is ourselves.
In reply to Post #108
Good post but one thing I would add is if you spend enough money on attachments like sonar, fish finders and cameras even the most inexperienced can avoid the daft spots. and we haven't mentioned drones yet.
Personally I'm holding out for the device that repels the fish elsewhere and only attracts them into your swim. Then you could use crap bait and save yourself a fortune
Good post but one thing I would add is if you spend enough money on attachments like sonar, fish finders and cameras even the most inexperienced can avoid the daft spots. and we haven't mentioned drones yet.
Personally I'm holding out for the device that repels the fish elsewhere and only attracts them into your swim. Then you could use crap bait and save yourself a fortune
In reply to Post #108
For me the difference is you still cast from the back of a boat with the rod in your hands a baitboat you do not.
For me the difference is you still cast from the back of a boat with the rod in your hands a baitboat you do not.
In reply to Post #112
Does that not negate the point of having a boat??
Does that not negate the point of having a boat??
Fishing from a row boat arguably requires more skill than casting from the bank, it certainly requires more effort.
It does still have the issue of dropping baits in places that could not be fished using traditional casting.
Using a bait boat requires pretty much no skill at all and allows the same results of years of practise after a few hours with a remote in your hands.
It does still have the issue of dropping baits in places that could not be fished using traditional casting.
Using a bait boat requires pretty much no skill at all and allows the same results of years of practise after a few hours with a remote in your hands.
In reply to Post #114
Don't see what the difference is between a bait boat and a boat.
In a boat you're visualy looking for spots , with a bait boat you're looking for spots with an echo sounder.
Both need a bit of experience as to whether these spots are worth fishing
Don't see what the difference is between a bait boat and a boat.
In a boat you're visualy looking for spots , with a bait boat you're looking for spots with an echo sounder.
Both need a bit of experience as to whether these spots are worth fishing
In reply to Post #84
In reply to Post #116
Whatever people's views, imo if you don't rely on a bait boat your become a more competent angler, if that matter
Whatever people's views, imo if you don't rely on a bait boat your become a more competent angler, if that matter
In reply to Post #116
So true
So true
In reply to Post #115
Effort, getting your boat to the venue takes more effort, launching it takes more effort, rowing it out takes more effort, ect ect ect. A boat is also safer for the fish as you can go out to a snagged fish to free it and visually seeing clearly what's between your swim and the spot being fished can be an advantage.
Effort, getting your boat to the venue takes more effort, launching it takes more effort, rowing it out takes more effort, ect ect ect. A boat is also safer for the fish as you can go out to a snagged fish to free it and visually seeing clearly what's between your swim and the spot being fished can be an advantage.
In reply to Post #112
difference is you still cast from the back of a boat with the rod in your hands
In all the years I have used my inflatable I never have ! I have only ever lowered it on the spots
and I dont see ANY difference in a rowing boat or a bait boat one you look at the screen on the bank the other you look at a screen in a boat or look over the side
certainly no difference in skill levels
IMHO
difference is you still cast from the back of a boat with the rod in your hands
In all the years I have used my inflatable I never have ! I have only ever lowered it on the spots
and I dont see ANY difference in a rowing boat or a bait boat one you look at the screen on the bank the other you look at a screen in a boat or look over the side
certainly no difference in skill levels
IMHO
In reply to Post #113
No
No
In reply to Post #120
For me its blatently obvious mate.... i got good mates who use bait boats and as long as they are allowed fair enough but imo theres a huge difference bait boat is a step to far to far for me and it just does not sit right...but i accept its choice.
For me its blatently obvious mate.... i got good mates who use bait boats and as long as they are allowed fair enough but imo theres a huge difference bait boat is a step to far to far for me and it just does not sit right...but i accept its choice.
In reply to Post #121
So what's the point of having a boat of you're casting? Surely you stand a greater chance of a tangle than lowering it over the side??
So what's the point of having a boat of you're casting? Surely you stand a greater chance of a tangle than lowering it over the side??
Why would you be concerned of any other opinion other than your own? I certainly would care a jot, especially half this blinkered brigade. Do your own thing and enjoy your fishing.
In reply to Post #124
I tend to agree, as long as people dont upset others or ruin others fishing, it dont really matter that much in the grand scheme of things
I tend to agree, as long as people dont upset others or ruin others fishing, it dont really matter that much in the grand scheme of things
In reply to Post #120
I assume in all your time in angling you have used both row boats and bait boats OG?
A competent boat angler is not just finding a likely looking area on an echo screen and dropping the rig on it. They are prodding, leading, raking etc to find the best spot within that likely area.
I would also suggest that dropping a lead on a 2ft spot in 20ft of water on the middle of a large open lake, then towing back to the bank in a straight line against a crosswind requires a bit more skill/effort than moving some thumb controls.
But..I also agree,it's all only my opinion, people should fish how they want to fish and take merit where they want and s*d what anyone else thinks.
I assume in all your time in angling you have used both row boats and bait boats OG?
A competent boat angler is not just finding a likely looking area on an echo screen and dropping the rig on it. They are prodding, leading, raking etc to find the best spot within that likely area.
I would also suggest that dropping a lead on a 2ft spot in 20ft of water on the middle of a large open lake, then towing back to the bank in a straight line against a crosswind requires a bit more skill/effort than moving some thumb controls.
But..I also agree,it's all only my opinion, people should fish how they want to fish and take merit where they want and s*d what anyone else thinks.
In reply to Post #123
Absolutely not gentle flick off the back job done.
Absolutely not gentle flick off the back job done.
In reply to Post #126
100%
100%
In reply to Post #119
Effort, getting your boat to the venue takes more effort, launching it takes more effort, rowing it out takes more effort, ect ect ect. A boat is also safer for the fish as you can go out to a snagged fish to free it and visually seeing clearly what's between your swim and the spot being fished can be an advantage.
Sorry if I sound to be causing an argument, but on the above basis captures are more credible if you walk your gear to your peg, but don't count if you use a barrow, and should have been shot at birth if you ever dare to use a power barrow
You can see what's between you and where you're fishing with the use of the echo sounder.
I said earlier in this thread that I used to appose bait boats, but circumstances change. Your's may too in the future and you'll find yourself fishing in a way you never wanted to fish.
It gives me more fishing time in the little times I am able to fish. Would you want those around you thrashing the water to a foam with their marker and spod rods for a couple of hours?
Effort, getting your boat to the venue takes more effort, launching it takes more effort, rowing it out takes more effort, ect ect ect. A boat is also safer for the fish as you can go out to a snagged fish to free it and visually seeing clearly what's between your swim and the spot being fished can be an advantage.
Sorry if I sound to be causing an argument, but on the above basis captures are more credible if you walk your gear to your peg, but don't count if you use a barrow, and should have been shot at birth if you ever dare to use a power barrow
You can see what's between you and where you're fishing with the use of the echo sounder.
I said earlier in this thread that I used to appose bait boats, but circumstances change. Your's may too in the future and you'll find yourself fishing in a way you never wanted to fish.
It gives me more fishing time in the little times I am able to fish. Would you want those around you thrashing the water to a foam with their marker and spod rods for a couple of hours?
In reply to Post #126
yes of course I still got 2 inflatables and a couple of motors sold all my baitboats have owned 5 different ones used them all A hell of a LOT on big Lakes in France
and you can suggest what you like lol but it wont matter a jot in changing what in my opinion
is there is just as much skill in interpreting a echo sounder on a baiboats screen or a rowing boats screen
one could argue its a dam sight easier with a rowing boat as you can get confirmation by a pole if its shallow enough or looking over the side with an Aqua scope
Im basing my opinion on 18+ years of using both
yes of course I still got 2 inflatables and a couple of motors sold all my baitboats have owned 5 different ones used them all A hell of a LOT on big Lakes in France
and you can suggest what you like lol but it wont matter a jot in changing what in my opinion
is there is just as much skill in interpreting a echo sounder on a baiboats screen or a rowing boats screen
one could argue its a dam sight easier with a rowing boat as you can get confirmation by a pole if its shallow enough or looking over the side with an Aqua scope
Im basing my opinion on 18+ years of using both
In reply to Post #129
I've not said anywhere that I'm anti them, they obviously make life easier and save time and can understand why some use them, each to there own. I'm fortunate that I don't fish busy venues so don't see people thrashing the water and I've not fished a venue that allows bait boats for over fifteen years. Good luck to any angler however they fish within the rules.
I've not said anywhere that I'm anti them, they obviously make life easier and save time and can understand why some use them, each to there own. I'm fortunate that I don't fish busy venues so don't see people thrashing the water and I've not fished a venue that allows bait boats for over fifteen years. Good luck to any angler however they fish within the rules.
In reply to Post #116
As most know on here I'm switched on to a few things that most don't consider,or bother looking into..
You mean 'I'm an elderly conspiracy theorist'. Yeah, I think most had picked up on that already ...
As most know on here I'm switched on to a few things that most don't consider,or bother looking into..
You mean 'I'm an elderly conspiracy theorist'. Yeah, I think most had picked up on that already ...
In reply to Post #130
there is something very satisfying about being in a large lake, "donking" around
there is something very satisfying about being in a large lake, "donking" around
In reply to Post #133
yes agreed
but when row boats are not allowed and bait boats are
yes agreed
but when row boats are not allowed and bait boats are
In reply to Post #132
In reply to Post #135
Goodness me, it was barely a month ago that I was suggesting Amazon for breathable waterproof socks in reply to your request for footwear to sleep in. That was me being helpful!
There's no need to get all offended (you're going to feel a bit embarrassed when someone explains what 'snowflake' means).
So ,go away ,you silly person..and GROW UP...! While your use of the gender neutral 'person' rather than 'man/bloke/boy etc' shows you are trying hard to be woke - good work , the instruction to 'grow up' could be deemed ageist, or if taken literally, heightist. As it is, I'm in my 50s and 6ft 3, so all good.
Did you get some waterproof slippers or socks in the end?
Goodness me, it was barely a month ago that I was suggesting Amazon for breathable waterproof socks in reply to your request for footwear to sleep in. That was me being helpful!
There's no need to get all offended (you're going to feel a bit embarrassed when someone explains what 'snowflake' means).
So ,go away ,you silly person..and GROW UP...! While your use of the gender neutral 'person' rather than 'man/bloke/boy etc' shows you are trying hard to be woke - good work
, the instruction to 'grow up' could be deemed ageist, or if taken literally, heightist. As it is, I'm in my 50s and 6ft 3, so all good.Did you get some waterproof slippers or socks in the end?
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