Have seen a few videos of people prepping freezer baits by pouring boiling water over them and letting it stand for 10 minutes or so to really soften the baits up. I like the idea so might give it a go myself and see how i get on.
My question is, should I avoid using tap water for this? Should I use bottled water or lake water? I have heard that tap water can taint your bait as it contains chlorides or some jazz like that. Can anyone advise?
My question is, should I avoid using tap water for this? Should I use bottled water or lake water? I have heard that tap water can taint your bait as it contains chlorides or some jazz like that. Can anyone advise?
In reply to Post #1
Can't imagine boiling lake water myself.
Can't imagine boiling lake water myself.
In reply to Post #1
When your baits were initially boiled at manufacture they almost certainly were boiled in tap water.
Sounds like an idea of a person who has too much time on their hands.
When your baits were initially boiled at manufacture they almost certainly were boiled in tap water.
Sounds like an idea of a person who has too much time on their hands.
In reply to Post #1
I do it to my shelf life boilies every so often, I've found similar results when scooping some lake water in my bucket at the start of a session and then boilies. The boiling water just seems to work faster
I do it to my shelf life boilies every so often, I've found similar results when scooping some lake water in my bucket at the start of a session and then boilies. The boiling water just seems to work faster
Tap water is fine, I soak pellets in it all the time for method fishing 
If you're concerned about it then boil the water for 15-20 mins and this makes the chlorine evaporate
If you're concerned about it then boil the water for 15-20 mins and this makes the chlorine evaporate
In reply to Post #5
Agreed, or just let the water stand for 24 hours.
Agreed, or just let the water stand for 24 hours.
In reply to Post #1
I've been doing this to good effect all year just cover in boiling water add a splash of hyrdo fish and ur away
I've been doing this to good effect all year just cover in boiling water add a splash of hyrdo fish and ur away
In reply to Post #1
Can people explain what good is done in pouring boiling water over frozen bait.
What's wrong with letting them defrost naturally?
OP says to soften bait, why would you want to soften bait most people want it hardened so they can pult/stick their bait out.
Can people explain what good is done in pouring boiling water over frozen bait.
What's wrong with letting them defrost naturally?
OP says to soften bait, why would you want to soften bait most people want it hardened so they can pult/stick their bait out.
In reply to Post #8
When bait goes in water it slowly starts to breakdown the outer layers sending off food signals.
It goes softer too.
If you were starving hungry would you prefer a whole french sticke or a plate of pasta?
Soft bait is easier to eat and easier to digest
When bait goes in water it slowly starts to breakdown the outer layers sending off food signals.
It goes softer too.
If you were starving hungry would you prefer a whole french sticke or a plate of pasta?
Soft bait is easier to eat and easier to digest
In reply to Post #8
I've given up taking a throwing stick at all now, I can only use the thing after dark anyway with the bird life so my approach is tuned to using a spod.
I fished a lot of silty lakes and got into the habit of saturating my baits so they didn't take on the smells so readily, and the liquids I use are absorbed quicker when diluted with hot water.
Boiling water can "kill" the active liquids I'm adding but with some boilies I'd only add water, and will add it boiling.
If the bait has yeasts, csl or other active ingredients it can kick start the reactions inside the bait so it's pumping out attraction as soon as its introduced
I've given up taking a throwing stick at all now, I can only use the thing after dark anyway with the bird life so my approach is tuned to using a spod.
I fished a lot of silty lakes and got into the habit of saturating my baits so they didn't take on the smells so readily, and the liquids I use are absorbed quicker when diluted with hot water.
Boiling water can "kill" the active liquids I'm adding but with some boilies I'd only add water, and will add it boiling.
If the bait has yeasts, csl or other active ingredients it can kick start the reactions inside the bait so it's pumping out attraction as soon as its introduced
In reply to Post #9
French stick
Not sure if fish prefer something is easier to eat and digest but thanks for your thoughts.
French stick
Not sure if fish prefer something is easier to eat and digest but thanks for your thoughts.
In reply to Post #11
I think some people are forgetting fish live in water anyway....no need to soak something that's ending up under water anyway
I think some people are forgetting fish live in water anyway....no need to soak something that's ending up under water anyway
In reply to Post #12
Mark Pitchers did a video for cc moore,he showed how he soaks his bait to make it softer.He explains in the video why he does it
Mark Pitchers did a video for cc moore,he showed how he soaks his bait to make it softer.He explains in the video why he does it
In reply to Post #12
I find on day ticket waters it can get quicker bites as I believe the fish can see it has been in the water alot longer. Just my thought on it. It does make using a throwing stick a bit more challenging if you over do it
I find on day ticket waters it can get quicker bites as I believe the fish can see it has been in the water alot longer. Just my thought on it. It does make using a throwing stick a bit more challenging if you over do it
In reply to Post #14
Agree on any water that sees lots of the same type of boilies unless there is real competition for them the carp know when they look less dangerous - when they have been there longer
Agree on any water that sees lots of the same type of boilies unless there is real competition for them the carp know when they look less dangerous - when they have been there longer
In reply to Post #12
Makes you wonder why people go to the trouble of boiling the bait in the first place?
Makes you wonder why people go to the trouble of boiling the bait in the first place?
In reply to Post #16
Well what we call them then? Rollies?
Well what we call them then? Rollies?
In reply to Post #17
You may be onto something there, wouldn't surprise me if someone is filing a copyright as we speak
You may be onto something there, wouldn't surprise me if someone is filing a copyright as we speak
In reply to Post #1
Tap or lake water, doesn't make any difference. What will happen if soaked for longer is that bait colour will change and will expand slightly. I like using small baits so was a bit put off by soaking, as the baits can expand quite a bit. I still do it but with half baits.
Tap or lake water, doesn't make any difference. What will happen if soaked for longer is that bait colour will change and will expand slightly. I like using small baits so was a bit put off by soaking, as the baits can expand quite a bit. I still do it but with half baits.
In reply to Post #16
Maybe some don't.....
Maybe some don't.....
In reply to Post #1
Firstly what is it about doing this that you like and why do you think this will help your angling on your water/s?
Secondly straight out of the kettle, tap water.
Firstly what is it about doing this that you like and why do you think this will help your angling on your water/s?
Secondly straight out of the kettle, tap water.
I find it strange that all these amazing modern boilies on the market supposedly full of irresistible attractors don't 'do the do' unless you either soak them in some new fangled liquid or now I see pour boiling water all over them, but maize, tigers, hemp etc etc work straight out of the saucepan/jar/tin 
My caviar flavoured boilies I soak in Champagne - Chilled , then up to room temperature only of course 
In reply to Post #22
Ahh, but hemp is best fresh rather than frozen, apparently even better if you ferment it with garlic and don't pass out from the smell. maize and tigers are best fermented for just the right amount of time, and seem to lose a bit when you freeze/preserve them.
The old richworth tutti was great out of the bag but was better if you let it sweat in the bag for a couple of days, that's what people are trying to achieve, getting a bit more from the bait for more instant results
Ahh, but hemp is best fresh rather than frozen, apparently even better if you ferment it with garlic and don't pass out from the smell. maize and tigers are best fermented for just the right amount of time, and seem to lose a bit when you freeze/preserve them.
The old richworth tutti was great out of the bag but was better if you let it sweat in the bag for a couple of days, that's what people are trying to achieve, getting a bit more from the bait for more instant results
In reply to Post #24
So out of interest, what do you think would out-fish what, straight out of the bag (top of the range) boilies or straight out of the saucepan tigers?
So out of interest, what do you think would out-fish what, straight out of the bag (top of the range) boilies or straight out of the saucepan tigers?
In reply to Post #25
Sweetcorn
Sweetcorn
In reply to Post #26
or sweetcorn
or sweetcorn
In reply to Post #25
Now there's a question without an answer
I'd be more confident in the boilie tho
Now there's a question without an answer
I'd be more confident in the boilie tho
In reply to Post #15
food for thought.
how can the bait look like its been there longer if the fish didn't see what colour it was before it entered the water?
food for thought.
how can the bait look like its been there longer if the fish didn't see what colour it was before it entered the water?
In reply to Post #29
how can the bait look like its been there longer if the fish didn't see what colour it was before it entered the water?
ha ha brilliant
how can the bait look like its been there longer if the fish didn't see what colour it was before it entered the water?
ha ha brilliant
In reply to Post #29
They just know, because Danny said so.
This is just another pointless fad, same as washing out. If the bait needs boiling water poured over it to work, to be washed out, to be soaked in fifty quids worth of GLM and liquids, then it's a load of rubbish in the first place.
As Mr Lydon once said 'Ever feel like you've been cheated'?
They just know, because Danny said so.
This is just another pointless fad, same as washing out. If the bait needs boiling water poured over it to work, to be washed out, to be soaked in fifty quids worth of GLM and liquids, then it's a load of rubbish in the first place.
As Mr Lydon once said 'Ever feel like you've been cheated'?
In reply to Post #30
not intending to take the micky. just never thought that was a genuine reason to wash out baits. in fact as far as I'm concerned there is no genuine reason to wash out baits.
pour water on and undo all the work that went into making the bait in the first place, all the attraction left in the bloody bucket.
pay 11 quid a kilo for a good bait to rinse all the attraction out of it, might as well make up 50/50 semo and soya and spod that out.
not intending to take the micky. just never thought that was a genuine reason to wash out baits. in fact as far as I'm concerned there is no genuine reason to wash out baits.
pour water on and undo all the work that went into making the bait in the first place, all the attraction left in the bloody bucket.
pay 11 quid a kilo for a good bait to rinse all the attraction out of it, might as well make up 50/50 semo and soya and spod that out.
In reply to Post #31
He also said I could be wrong, I could be right.
I think you are right
He also said I could be wrong, I could be right.
I think you are right
In reply to Post #31
I don't soak my bait in anything but cold lake water, never even crossed my mind to add extra to them when I have confidence in what I'm already doing. I tend to do this at the end of a session to top up the bait that may be left out there, I've had quick bites this way, when putting fresh bait in hasn't.
It works for me, I don't know if I'd have the same results not doing it but it's free and doesn't harm anyone.
I don't soak my bait in anything but cold lake water, never even crossed my mind to add extra to them when I have confidence in what I'm already doing. I tend to do this at the end of a session to top up the bait that may be left out there, I've had quick bites this way, when putting fresh bait in hasn't.
It works for me, I don't know if I'd have the same results not doing it but it's free and doesn't harm anyone.
In reply to Post #31
I find your stance on this quite intriguing, I've noted you posting in some of the more interesting bait threads, particularly the ones I revisit regarding fermentation, the use of yeast, active liquids like csl, hydrowheat etc, and enzymes.
These ingredients I look at as being synergistic, I want them to react/ferment/break down elements of the bait to increase attraction.
Do you see no benefit in kick starting these reactions with heat and water, while also dissolving, but not releasing, soluble aspects of the bait, so they are releasing attraction immediately? Particularly outside of summer water temperatures
I'm no bait buff but it makes sense to me, takes little time and costs bugger all
I find your stance on this quite intriguing, I've noted you posting in some of the more interesting bait threads, particularly the ones I revisit regarding fermentation, the use of yeast, active liquids like csl, hydrowheat etc, and enzymes.
These ingredients I look at as being synergistic, I want them to react/ferment/break down elements of the bait to increase attraction.
Do you see no benefit in kick starting these reactions with heat and water, while also dissolving, but not releasing, soluble aspects of the bait, so they are releasing attraction immediately? Particularly outside of summer water temperatures
I'm no bait buff but it makes sense to me, takes little time and costs bugger all
In reply to Post #35
Because this can be done with enzymes internally anyway. If you have a well constructed bait it's just pointless.
I'll say the above with a caveat.... I don't fish busy/commercial/ day ticket venues so maybe it might work there. I've never seen anyone who uses this washed out/hot water/soak your baits in powders or liquids (that wash off in 5 minutes) ever outcatch others doing this. In fact, it seems it is those that have no confidence in their actual bait and change suppliers every year (as evidenced by the dozens of threads here) that are obsessed with this prattling around.
Because this can be done with enzymes internally anyway. If you have a well constructed bait it's just pointless.
I'll say the above with a caveat.... I don't fish busy/commercial/ day ticket venues so maybe it might work there. I've never seen anyone who uses this washed out/hot water/soak your baits in powders or liquids (that wash off in 5 minutes) ever outcatch others doing this. In fact, it seems it is those that have no confidence in their actual bait and change suppliers every year (as evidenced by the dozens of threads here) that are obsessed with this prattling around.
In reply to Post #36
Completely agree.
Surely the biggest edge in carp fishing is using a bait that you know will be eaten!
Not worrying about softening or activating a company's bait.
Part of the maid reason I'm going to start making my own is so I know whats in it, so I know how it reacts in the water, so I know how fish react to it.
Completely agree.
Surely the biggest edge in carp fishing is using a bait that you know will be eaten!
Not worrying about softening or activating a company's bait.
Part of the maid reason I'm going to start making my own is so I know whats in it, so I know how it reacts in the water, so I know how fish react to it.
In reply to Post #36
Totally agree, I think it's mainly encouraged by a certain bait company that have a large range of liquids to sell. Looking at their Faceache page I see nearly everyone if not all people that use their bait never use the boilies without first covering them in splodge, so have never even tried the baits 'raw', which I hasten to add are very good so not knocking them.
Totally agree, I think it's mainly encouraged by a certain bait company that have a large range of liquids to sell. Looking at their Faceache page I see nearly everyone if not all people that use their bait never use the boilies without first covering them in splodge, so have never even tried the baits 'raw', which I hasten to add are very good so not knocking them.
In reply to Post #38
Ive tested on my old syndicate putting ''raw'' boilies up against some I coated in liquid attraction and dusted with powders.
saw them in the edge eating from both spots without picking out one single type, from then I just used the natural boilies.
some stuff is defiantly done to catch the angler not the carp.
Ive tested on my old syndicate putting ''raw'' boilies up against some I coated in liquid attraction and dusted with powders.
saw them in the edge eating from both spots without picking out one single type, from then I just used the natural boilies.
some stuff is defiantly done to catch the angler not the carp.
In reply to Post #38
Ccmoore?
My observations on higher stock venues influence my proper fishing, a number of times I've been at places like thorney weir(including mets) seeing instant feeding activity with saturated boilies, and a lag in activity with baits straight from the bag when I've got through what I'd prepped.
I tend to feed a mixture of prepped and unprepped boilies now to give different release times.
One liquid I add costs peanuts, and carp seem to like it, but it's the way this liquid draws invertebrates that keeps me adding it to a bait that is usually covered in snails within minutes anyway.
"they're feeding on naturals"
Ccmoore?
My observations on higher stock venues influence my proper fishing, a number of times I've been at places like thorney weir(including mets) seeing instant feeding activity with saturated boilies, and a lag in activity with baits straight from the bag when I've got through what I'd prepped.
I tend to feed a mixture of prepped and unprepped boilies now to give different release times.
One liquid I add costs peanuts, and carp seem to like it, but it's the way this liquid draws invertebrates that keeps me adding it to a bait that is usually covered in snails within minutes anyway.
"they're feeding on naturals"
In reply to Post #40
Ccmoore?
Try again
Ccmoore?
Try again
In reply to Post #41
Obviously the company that sell "smart liquid"? (for not very smart carpers)
Obviously the company that sell "smart liquid"? (for not very smart carpers)
In reply to Post #42
***** liquid more like.
***** liquid more like.
In reply to Post #41
Tbh I follow 2 bait companies on insta, and I think ccm will soon be unfollowed as the marketing is a bit much. I did watch 5 seconds of a mark pitchers pitch on adding boiling water to live system not long before this thread started
If the company you mention are plugging liquids more than them they must be bad
Tbh I follow 2 bait companies on insta, and I think ccm will soon be unfollowed as the marketing is a bit much. I did watch 5 seconds of a mark pitchers pitch on adding boiling water to live system not long before this thread started
If the company you mention are plugging liquids more than them they must be bad
In reply to Post #29
Great point, love it.
Great point, love it.
In reply to Post #42
No not them either
No not them either
In reply to Post #46
sticky
sticky
In reply to Post #47
Nope
Nope
In reply to Post #29
When a certain bait goes into lakes I quantities fish know how long they have been there that's my opinion. I am fishing a lake at the moment where I too like someone else on here get better response from topping up with a bait that had this done than straight out the bag hard bait.
When a certain bait goes into lakes I quantities fish know how long they have been there that's my opinion. I am fishing a lake at the moment where I too like someone else on here get better response from topping up with a bait that had this done than straight out the bag hard bait.
In reply to Post #49
It's probably got more to do with the bait being softer, especially as older fish don't have the teeth they once had and prefer softer baits, according to Simon Scott
It's probably got more to do with the bait being softer, especially as older fish don't have the teeth they once had and prefer softer baits, according to Simon Scott
In reply to Post #48
DNA
DNA
In reply to Post #51
In reply to Post #50
I now have an image of a carp with dentures in my head
I'm laughing while posting this so thanks
I now have an image of a carp with dentures in my head
I'm laughing while posting this so thanks
Would you pour tap water over a carp on the mat?
No you wouldn't and nor should you.
Every lake has a Ph, every lake has a chemical make up and every lake water has its own particular smell, you're just not equipt to smell it properly, some lakes can have more than one distinct make up !!
If you're making a lake specif bait use the lake water you're going to use the bait on to boil them, see above for why.
No you wouldn't and nor should you.
Every lake has a Ph, every lake has a chemical make up and every lake water has its own particular smell, you're just not equipt to smell it properly, some lakes can have more than one distinct make up !!
If you're making a lake specif bait use the lake water you're going to use the bait on to boil them, see above for why.
In reply to Post #55
Give over, tap water is fine. Making sure the temp is not too hot or cold is more important
Give over, tap water is fine. Making sure the temp is not too hot or cold is more important
In reply to Post #56
I've always boiled my bait in water from the water butts in the garden , no added chemicals in it and I'm a tight git cos I'm on a water meter
I've always boiled my bait in water from the water butts in the garden , no added chemicals in it and I'm a tight git cos I'm on a water meter
In reply to Post #57
Bumped this thread because I don't know where to ask...
Tropical fish tank water or tap water to pre soak my boilies?
Bumped this thread because I don't know where to ask...
Tropical fish tank water or tap water to pre soak my boilies?
In reply to Post #58
Fresh bull urine.
Fresh bull urine.
In reply to Post #59
Where do I find a Bull in Bethnal green?
Where do I find a Bull in Bethnal green?
In reply to Post #58
Bumped this thread because I don't know where to ask...
Tropical fish tank water or tap water to pre soak my boilies?
Honestly, don't bother.
If you really want it just to create softer baits, allow a bucket of tap water to stand around 12hours then put your boilies in.
I do drop a handful of boilies in my particle mix after boiling and the water has cooled down, not to get softer bait as such, but so the boilies are part of the mix.
If I fish just boilies I take them out of the cupboard (shelf life), or freezer and put them in a bucket before I go.
I don't bother washing them out, just use them as they are.
I think the washing out concept is 'flawed', not because it doesn't work, but simply because sometimes carp WILL NOT pick up bait for a day or more after it being put in an area.
Bumped this thread because I don't know where to ask...
Tropical fish tank water or tap water to pre soak my boilies?
Honestly, don't bother.
If you really want it just to create softer baits, allow a bucket of tap water to stand around 12hours then put your boilies in.
I do drop a handful of boilies in my particle mix after boiling and the water has cooled down, not to get softer bait as such, but so the boilies are part of the mix.
If I fish just boilies I take them out of the cupboard (shelf life), or freezer and put them in a bucket before I go.
I don't bother washing them out, just use them as they are.
I think the washing out concept is 'flawed', not because it doesn't work, but simply because sometimes carp WILL NOT pick up bait for a day or more after it being put in an area.
I find that higher quality bait washes out fairly quickly in water anyway
In reply to Post #60
Loads of places sell it in cans under the Stella label.
Loads of places sell it in cans under the Stella label.
In reply to Post #60
Maybe he meant the (salmon and) Ball. Plenty of pis$ in there
Maybe he meant the (salmon and) Ball. Plenty of pis$ in there
In reply to Post #61
Without trying to start an argument , do you therefore believe carp see some boilies, and store that information and then revisit after a certain time has elapsed?
I feel some carp are obviously more catious than others but competition drives fish to eat bait before its gone. I would hope carp do feed before something else eats the bait. certainly seems to be the case on lakes with larger heads of fish although ive not fished them for a long time its the impression i get when i think of B1 and B2 for instance . I cant really imagine a carp clocking bait and then returning 24 hours later to eat it. unless there were no other fish about i would think it would want to eat asap before its gone.
Without trying to start an argument , do you therefore believe carp see some boilies, and store that information and then revisit after a certain time has elapsed?
I feel some carp are obviously more catious than others but competition drives fish to eat bait before its gone. I would hope carp do feed before something else eats the bait. certainly seems to be the case on lakes with larger heads of fish although ive not fished them for a long time its the impression i get when i think of B1 and B2 for instance . I cant really imagine a carp clocking bait and then returning 24 hours later to eat it. unless there were no other fish about i would think it would want to eat asap before its gone.
In reply to Post #65
Seen it myself in with my own eyes. Where there is little competition and plenty of natural food. Also seen fish over the course of a week eat different bits of spod mix off the spot from smallest to largest.
You're right in the fact that heavily stocked waters the fish will probably eat what they see as it won't be there when they come back. It also happens on rivers where food is much scarcer and competition is high, again they'll still bypass it though at times.
There's absolutely no chance carp will eat any food they see straight away otherwise we'd all catch multiple fish every single time me for fishing wouldnt we.
Seen it myself in with my own eyes. Where there is little competition and plenty of natural food. Also seen fish over the course of a week eat different bits of spod mix off the spot from smallest to largest.
You're right in the fact that heavily stocked waters the fish will probably eat what they see as it won't be there when they come back. It also happens on rivers where food is much scarcer and competition is high, again they'll still bypass it though at times.
There's absolutely no chance carp will eat any food they see straight away otherwise we'd all catch multiple fish every single time me for fishing wouldnt we.
In reply to Post #65
In reply to Post #61
Without trying to start an argument , do you therefore believe carp see some boilies, and store that information and then revisit after a certain time has elapsed?
I feel some carp are obviously more catious than others but competition drives fish to eat bait before its gone. I would hope carp do feed before something else eats the bait. certainly seems to be the case on lakes with larger heads of fish although ive not fished them for a long time its the impression i get when i think of B1 and B2 for instance . I cant really imagine a carp clocking bait and then returning 24 hours later to eat it. unless there were no other fish about i would think it would want to eat asap before its gone.
I copied and pasted Greekski's post as his answer mirror's my own.
Even over groundbait I have seen carp leave the bait for 48hours before eating it, and not just on waters with loads of natural food, but on some heavily pressured waters.
On Nazeing Meads Brackens Pool there were some rarely caught fish, that were territorial. One of these was a good looking 30 that lived in the reeds near Car Corner. I had seen fish in the area, so sneaked some bait in, and lowered my hookbait into place. I hadn't spooked the fish, but it still took 48hours before that 30 took the boilie hookbait.
I have watched carp leave sweetcorn alone until it turned grey in Taverham, and on The River Gipping, yet sweetcorn at one time was one of the best baits on there.
On A Pit years ago I baited up with a mix of boilies, mung beans, hemp and tares and a boilie hookbait. The carp picked out the hemp before starting on the other baits, the few boilies in the mix were last to go, over 24hours after they started feeding on the sandbar. The result was Stumpy the common, one of the lake originals.
Ken Townley has also written about it in his chapter in Tim Paisley's Big Carp.
1In reply to Post #65
Seen it myself in with my own eyes. Where there is little competition and plenty of natural food. Also seen fish over the course of a week eat different bits of spod mix off the spot from smallest to largest.
You're right in the fact that heavily stocked waters the fish will probably eat what they see as it won't be there when they come back. It also happens on rivers where food is much scarcer and competition is high, again they'll still bypass it though at times.
There's absolutely no chance carp will eat any food they see straight away otherwise we'd all catch multiple fish every single time me for fishing wouldnt we.
In reply to Post #61
Without trying to start an argument , do you therefore believe carp see some boilies, and store that information and then revisit after a certain time has elapsed?
I feel some carp are obviously more catious than others but competition drives fish to eat bait before its gone. I would hope carp do feed before something else eats the bait. certainly seems to be the case on lakes with larger heads of fish although ive not fished them for a long time its the impression i get when i think of B1 and B2 for instance . I cant really imagine a carp clocking bait and then returning 24 hours later to eat it. unless there were no other fish about i would think it would want to eat asap before its gone.
I copied and pasted Greekski's post as his answer mirror's my own.
Even over groundbait I have seen carp leave the bait for 48hours before eating it, and not just on waters with loads of natural food, but on some heavily pressured waters.
On Nazeing Meads Brackens Pool there were some rarely caught fish, that were territorial. One of these was a good looking 30 that lived in the reeds near Car Corner. I had seen fish in the area, so sneaked some bait in, and lowered my hookbait into place. I hadn't spooked the fish, but it still took 48hours before that 30 took the boilie hookbait.
I have watched carp leave sweetcorn alone until it turned grey in Taverham, and on The River Gipping, yet sweetcorn at one time was one of the best baits on there.
On A Pit years ago I baited up with a mix of boilies, mung beans, hemp and tares and a boilie hookbait. The carp picked out the hemp before starting on the other baits, the few boilies in the mix were last to go, over 24hours after they started feeding on the sandbar. The result was Stumpy the common, one of the lake originals.
Ken Townley has also written about it in his chapter in Tim Paisley's Big Carp.
1In reply to Post #65
Seen it myself in with my own eyes. Where there is little competition and plenty of natural food. Also seen fish over the course of a week eat different bits of spod mix off the spot from smallest to largest.
You're right in the fact that heavily stocked waters the fish will probably eat what they see as it won't be there when they come back. It also happens on rivers where food is much scarcer and competition is high, again they'll still bypass it though at times.
There's absolutely no chance carp will eat any food they see straight away otherwise we'd all catch multiple fish every single time me for fishing wouldnt we.
In reply to Post #67
I thought it was an accepted fact that sometimes you need to leave a bait for 2 days to get a bite. I was always told years ago put it in the right place and then leave it there. You need to be confident in the fact that it is the right place. Also have faith in your bait. Can be hard to sit on your hands when apparently nothing is happening.
I thought it was an accepted fact that sometimes you need to leave a bait for 2 days to get a bite. I was always told years ago put it in the right place and then leave it there. You need to be confident in the fact that it is the right place. Also have faith in your bait. Can be hard to sit on your hands when apparently nothing is happening.
In reply to Post #67
None of your anecdotes really prove that fish leave bait alone for 24 - 48 hours though do they ? I agree that some fish are super catious and may well leave certain baiting scenarios alone for 48 hours but if a fish saw a bait in an area where it was confident that it wasnt a trap it would eat it straight away as it was confident that it was not a trap/area of suspicion. I do agree that a 10 kilo bucket of bait tipped out on a dinner plate might arouse suspicion, and in that situation you would see the fish gradually gain confidence.
I could give you a lot of anecdotes that go against the idea that fish take 2 days to actually eat bait as im sure you could too, ive seen a bloke boat out 40 kilo of particle scatter it behind a bar and then catch a 40 year old carp less than half an hour afterwards.
Its hugely dependant on the stock of fish, not just carp, as to whether that bait will still be there after 48 hours. Do korda etc all bait up and leave the cameras off for 2 days every time ? Naw. dont think so.
If your baiting scenarios dont spook carp you are much more likely to catch off guard carp perhaps if you baited less you might have more success?
None of your anecdotes really prove that fish leave bait alone for 24 - 48 hours though do they ? I agree that some fish are super catious and may well leave certain baiting scenarios alone for 48 hours but if a fish saw a bait in an area where it was confident that it wasnt a trap it would eat it straight away as it was confident that it was not a trap/area of suspicion. I do agree that a 10 kilo bucket of bait tipped out on a dinner plate might arouse suspicion, and in that situation you would see the fish gradually gain confidence.
I could give you a lot of anecdotes that go against the idea that fish take 2 days to actually eat bait as im sure you could too, ive seen a bloke boat out 40 kilo of particle scatter it behind a bar and then catch a 40 year old carp less than half an hour afterwards.
Its hugely dependant on the stock of fish, not just carp, as to whether that bait will still be there after 48 hours. Do korda etc all bait up and leave the cameras off for 2 days every time ? Naw. dont think so.
If your baiting scenarios dont spook carp you are much more likely to catch off guard carp perhaps if you baited less you might have more success?
In reply to Post #69
You aren't going to bait up much less if you are restricted to putting in freebies in only by PVA. No free baits by hand, catapult, or spod.
I was able to watch the area I had lowered my hookbait bait into. A rarely caught fish from the lake It most definitely took 2 days for the fish to start picking up boilies
You aren't going to bait up much less if you are restricted to putting in freebies in only by PVA. No free baits by hand, catapult, or spod.
I was able to watch the area I had lowered my hookbait bait into. A rarely caught fish from the lake It most definitely took 2 days for the fish to start picking up boilies
In reply to Post #69
Did you really think we meant that all carp leave bait for two days before they eat it? If so I think you missed the point. We gave instances against the post that all carp eat bait straight away.
Did you really think we meant that all carp leave bait for two days before they eat it? If so I think you missed the point. We gave instances against the post that all carp eat bait straight away.
In reply to Post #68
Id suggest it isnt the right place if you have to leave it there for 2 days generally.
Id suggest it isnt the right place if you have to leave it there for 2 days generally.
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