Hi everyone,
I am looking at making my own boilies but dont know where to start. has anyone got any reccomendations for what recipe to start with? cheers
I am looking at making my own boilies but dont know where to start. has anyone got any reccomendations for what recipe to start with? cheers
In reply to Post #1
50% semo
50% soya
Work from there
There is a Forum recipe on here that people have had success with
50% semo
50% soya
Work from there
There is a Forum recipe on here that people have had success with
In reply to Post #1
BM1
Add some betaine, hydrolysed fish extract (LO30) and if it takes your fancy a flavour - I'm a fan of John Baker plumb
Some good advice in these videos:
The Carp Catcher
BM1
Add some betaine, hydrolysed fish extract (LO30) and if it takes your fancy a flavour - I'm a fan of John Baker plumb
Some good advice in these videos:
The Carp Catcher
In reply to Post #3
If you want a basic mix that will catch anywhere in the world then go for this:
40% LT94 fishmeal
20% CLO birdfood
20% lamlac milk powder
20% semo
Add a decent does of hydro fish/ squid/ krill and maybe some spices and you're away.
Or just get yourself a bag of Quality Baits spicy red fish and bird basemix, works out about £2/kg when rolled
If you want a basic mix that will catch anywhere in the world then go for this:
40% LT94 fishmeal
20% CLO birdfood
20% lamlac milk powder
20% semo
Add a decent does of hydro fish/ squid/ krill and maybe some spices and you're away.
Or just get yourself a bag of Quality Baits spicy red fish and bird basemix, works out about £2/kg when rolled
In reply to Post #4
have you had much success on the quality baits birdfood/spicy fish? and would it work all year round?
have you had much success on the quality baits birdfood/spicy fish? and would it work all year round?
In reply to Post #4
bristol would the mix you just posted bellow work in the colder months? or would i need to switch lt94 with a low temp fishmeal?
bristol would the mix you just posted bellow work in the colder months? or would i need to switch lt94 with a low temp fishmeal?
In reply to Post #6
Doesn't the LT in LT94 stand for low temp fella?
Either way, it does not relate to effectiveness in cold water. It means it's processed at low temps to preserve quality.
Doesn't the LT in LT94 stand for low temp fella?
Either way, it does not relate to effectiveness in cold water. It means it's processed at low temps to preserve quality.
In reply to Post #7
sorry mate im new to all this so didnt release that lt standed ofr it. doiiii!
sorry mate im new to all this so didnt release that lt standed ofr it. doiiii!
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In reply to Post #9
sweet I will give the mix a go and let you all knnow how it goes!
sweet I will give the mix a go and let you all knnow how it goes!
In reply to Post #10
Do i need to add a flavour to the bait to work r could i just use liquid foods?
Do i need to add a flavour to the bait to work r could i just use liquid foods?
In reply to Post #11
There seems to be differences of opinion on this, personally I always add a flavour... Just pick an accepted good one
There seems to be differences of opinion on this, personally I always add a flavour... Just pick an accepted good one
In reply to Post #11
You don't need a flavour, certainly not an artificial one from a bottle anyway. A nice bit of spice is the way to go imo. Chilli, garlic, funugreek, anything really
You don't need a flavour, certainly not an artificial one from a bottle anyway. A nice bit of spice is the way to go imo. Chilli, garlic, funugreek, anything really
In reply to Post #11
Liquid food plus Garam masala and fenugreek. It will smell great. The fish will love it. You will catch plenty.
Garam masala has a combination of 7 or so different very effective spices. Some brands differ in their ingredients, so if you get one brand, make sure you stick to that one.
There have been some great baits commercially based on that spice combo. Enough said.
Liquid food plus Garam masala and fenugreek. It will smell great. The fish will love it. You will catch plenty.
Garam masala has a combination of 7 or so different very effective spices. Some brands differ in their ingredients, so if you get one brand, make sure you stick to that one.
There have been some great baits commercially based on that spice combo. Enough said.
In reply to Post #11
as others have said, spices work well. Adding a flavour is only if you really want it to smell like something I guess, and if the flavour is effective on numerous levels. you are then looking to ensure the levels are right, if you combine flavours, that they combine on a chemical level, etc. Opens up a new can or worms for you to look in to.
Garlic & fenugreek are top additives as well as having other properties like appetite stimulators
as others have said, spices work well. Adding a flavour is only if you really want it to smell like something I guess, and if the flavour is effective on numerous levels. you are then looking to ensure the levels are right, if you combine flavours, that they combine on a chemical level, etc. Opens up a new can or worms for you to look in to.
Garlic & fenugreek are top additives as well as having other properties like appetite stimulators
In reply to Post #15
how much garem masala would you use in a kg mix
how much garem masala would you use in a kg mix
In reply to Post #16
Has anyone tried selling bait? would anyone reccomend it?
Has anyone tried selling bait? would anyone reccomend it?
In reply to Post #17
Many have tried, many have failed. These days unless you have 1. really good baits or 2. the money to invest in to marketing you wont succeed.
Many have tried, many have failed. These days unless you have 1. really good baits or 2. the money to invest in to marketing you wont succeed.
In reply to Post #18
lol spaaammmmmm
lol spaaammmmmm
In reply to Post #6
OP, I see you're questioning this on one of the FB bait pages. The bait I listed is simple, cheap and will work anywhere. A large percentage of the people on those pages will belittle anything similar to this due to their 'superior bait knowledge'. Yes more refined milks like caseins will add to the bait, but they will also add to the price. The mix I listed covers a lot of the bases simply, and is IMO as good as a lot of the bait available out there.
OP, I see you're questioning this on one of the FB bait pages. The bait I listed is simple, cheap and will work anywhere. A large percentage of the people on those pages will belittle anything similar to this due to their 'superior bait knowledge'. Yes more refined milks like caseins will add to the bait, but they will also add to the price. The mix I listed covers a lot of the bases simply, and is IMO as good as a lot of the bait available out there.
In reply to Post #1
If it's all new then do what Bristol said and get a bag of Quality Baits base mix, no waste or mucking about sourcing different ingredients, add a liquid & powder and learn about your bait otherwise confusion can reign.
If it's all new then do what Bristol said and get a bag of Quality Baits base mix, no waste or mucking about sourcing different ingredients, add a liquid & powder and learn about your bait otherwise confusion can reign.
i bought some quality baits spicey fish and bird and added some kelp and spiralina powder to it with squid hydro, shrimp hydro and a touch of salmon oil seems alright to me. 
In reply to Post #22
What pre made base mixes are worth a try then? with winter in mind they would have to be able to fish all year round.
and thank you bristol
What pre made base mixes are worth a try then? with winter in mind they would have to be able to fish all year round.
and thank you bristol
In reply to Post #23
in the past ive done alright on AA baits hnv superseed all year round i just added extra calcium casenate , crushed hemp and a bit of cream stim . with chosen flavour low level.
wasnt you asking about BAF Trop base mix on facebook.?
in the past ive done alright on AA baits hnv superseed all year round i just added extra calcium casenate , crushed hemp and a bit of cream stim . with chosen flavour low level.
wasnt you asking about BAF Trop base mix on facebook.?
In reply to Post #24
yes i was indeed asking bout tropamino but since at the moment i dont have enough money to buy in bulk is quite expensive for me. which mix should i look at on quality baits then as there isnt alot of info on the different mixes on the website.
yes i was indeed asking bout tropamino but since at the moment i dont have enough money to buy in bulk is quite expensive for me. which mix should i look at on quality baits then as there isnt alot of info on the different mixes on the website.
In reply to Post #25
Maybe the HNV yellow bird for winter, im sure one of the bait buffs would mention how to improve on it with some added extras
Maybe the HNV yellow bird for winter, im sure one of the bait buffs would mention how to improve on it with some added extras
In reply to Post #25
you could always look at blakes baits, they do 3.5kg bags of basemix. fairly simple so you can add additional to it if you wanted.
I've used the nut mix before and had good results on it.
you could always look at blakes baits, they do 3.5kg bags of basemix. fairly simple so you can add additional to it if you wanted.
I've used the nut mix before and had good results on it.
In reply to Post #26
currently looking at the winter mix they do. patsull park winter mix its called. any ideas on it?
currently looking at the winter mix they do. patsull park winter mix its called. any ideas on it?
In reply to Post #26
Exactly this, one of the Quality Baits yellow birdfood basemixes would be a good idea for a winter bait. Match this with a decent flavouring (scopex, chocolate malt, maple, plum, mulberry etc etc) and maybe a touch of sweetener and you'll catch fish.
I always used to roll Nash Amber Attractor basemix with chocolate malt, choc powdered palatant (but drinking chocolate would do) and intense sweetener and caught rakes on it
Exactly this, one of the Quality Baits yellow birdfood basemixes would be a good idea for a winter bait. Match this with a decent flavouring (scopex, chocolate malt, maple, plum, mulberry etc etc) and maybe a touch of sweetener and you'll catch fish.
I always used to roll Nash Amber Attractor basemix with chocolate malt, choc powdered palatant (but drinking chocolate would do) and intense sweetener and caught rakes on it
In reply to Post #20
I would be very happy using Bristol's mix.....far better than most commercial base mixes, and very cheap.
I would be very happy using Bristol's mix.....far better than most commercial base mixes, and very cheap.
In reply to Post #30
With bristols mix in terms of price where is the best but cheapest place to get the ingredients from
With bristols mix in terms of price where is the best but cheapest place to get the ingredients from
In reply to Post #31
And liquid wise for bristols mix whats the recoomended dosage. these are my thoughts 30ml liquid food, ?eggs and do i need any oil?
And liquid wise for bristols mix whats the recoomended dosage. these are my thoughts 30ml liquid food, ?eggs and do i need any oil?
In reply to Post #32
sorry for the spam
if not bristols mix i was planning on using a ready made mix which is suitable for year round use. currently looking at AA baits HNV fishmeal mix, quality baits spicy red fish and bird (not HNV version), quality baits patshull park winter mix, normal patshull park, AA baits superseed, AA baits superred and boilie hubs carnivore.
long list i know but trying to find the best and cheapest one to use.
sorry for the spam
if not bristols mix i was planning on using a ready made mix which is suitable for year round use. currently looking at AA baits HNV fishmeal mix, quality baits spicy red fish and bird (not HNV version), quality baits patshull park winter mix, normal patshull park, AA baits superseed, AA baits superred and boilie hubs carnivore.
long list i know but trying to find the best and cheapest one to use.
In reply to Post #33
Reckon you have the answer with post 29 I think Bristol knows his stuff going by some of the comments plus his given you a decent choice of what to add with it for a winter base you cant go wrong in all honesty, but it's your choice at the end of the day.
Reckon you have the answer with post 29 I think Bristol knows his stuff going by some of the comments plus his given you a decent choice of what to add with it for a winter base you cant go wrong in all honesty, but it's your choice at the end of the day.
In reply to Post #34
alright ill give the yellow bird mix a go! bristol are you talking about the HNV yellow birdfood or the 50/50 yellow bird?
alright ill give the yellow bird mix a go! bristol are you talking about the HNV yellow birdfood or the 50/50 yellow bird?
In reply to Post #33
Given the amount of bait you are likely to use in the winter. I would suggest finding tbe most attractive and immediately effective. bait, rsther than the cheapest. Hope you catch a few .
Given the amount of bait you are likely to use in the winter. I would suggest finding tbe most attractive and immediately effective. bait, rsther than the cheapest. Hope you catch a few .
In reply to Post #32
I used to use a very similar mix, slightly different ratios and I used provimi fish meal rather than lt 94. To each kilo I used 30ml salmon oil and 30 ml Minamino.
There is no carp in the country that would turn their nose up at that bait.
I used to use a very similar mix, slightly different ratios and I used provimi fish meal rather than lt 94. To each kilo I used 30ml salmon oil and 30 ml Minamino.
There is no carp in the country that would turn their nose up at that bait.
In reply to Post #37
For the mix is there anyway to keep the cost down.? any cheap ways to buy it etc? looking for around £4 a kg including eggs liquids ingreients etc
For the mix is there anyway to keep the cost down.? any cheap ways to buy it etc? looking for around £4 a kg including eggs liquids ingreients etc
In reply to Post #38
If your selection criteria is driven by how cheap you can make your bait, then I feel that you are doing this for the wrong reasons. That's just my opinion though buddy. I have no idea what your reasons are.
I have been guilty in the past to be more concerned by price rather than being concerned by what is best for my fishing. I regret it now.
I wish you all the best mate.
If your selection criteria is driven by how cheap you can make your bait, then I feel that you are doing this for the wrong reasons. That's just my opinion though buddy. I have no idea what your reasons are.
I have been guilty in the past to be more concerned by price rather than being concerned by what is best for my fishing. I regret it now.
I wish you all the best mate.
In reply to Post #38
Buy it in large measures...25kg sacks.
That's the only way to make it work if you are home rolling....otherwise it works out cheaper buying it ready rolled.
Should easily come in below 4 quid a kilo. Cheaper still if you don't bother with the liquids.
Buy it in large measures...25kg sacks.
That's the only way to make it work if you are home rolling....otherwise it works out cheaper buying it ready rolled.
Should easily come in below 4 quid a kilo. Cheaper still if you don't bother with the liquids.
In reply to Post #39
The reason im trying to cut costs a bit is simply because im only 15 and it takes me long time to build up enough money to buy in bulk thats all.
The reason im trying to cut costs a bit is simply because im only 15 and it takes me long time to build up enough money to buy in bulk thats all.
In reply to Post #41
It's winter, buy a good quality proven bait and put it where the fish are. You dont need large amounts this time of year. You can fill it in in the warmer months if you feel you really need to , however it's not likely to be needed at the moment.
It's winter, buy a good quality proven bait and put it where the fish are. You dont need large amounts this time of year. You can fill it in in the warmer months if you feel you really need to , however it's not likely to be needed at the moment.
In reply to Post #41
Well done mate. Good to see a young carper trying to do his own thing.
Good luck.
Well done mate. Good to see a young carper trying to do his own thing.
Good luck.
In reply to Post #43
Agreed
Agreed
In reply to Post #35
Your call mate, they will both catch fish. I'd go fort the basic one initially - keeps costs down and will let you have a play. One thing I'd say with a birdfood bait is mix it on the sloppy side and leave it to rest before gunning out/ rolling. The actual birdfood ingredients (egg food etc) is very thirsty and you'll end up with a very crumbly mix otherwise.
Your call mate, they will both catch fish. I'd go fort the basic one initially - keeps costs down and will let you have a play. One thing I'd say with a birdfood bait is mix it on the sloppy side and leave it to rest before gunning out/ rolling. The actual birdfood ingredients (egg food etc) is very thirsty and you'll end up with a very crumbly mix otherwise.
In reply to Post #41
Aha, fair enough buddy.
Just want to echo what has already been said and well done for wanting to be different and do your own thing. Hats off!!!
I was just a little younger than you when I started playing around making my own bait and I got nothing but fond memories. I remember all my mates thinking I was mad as I used to use all my pocket money and birthday money buying base mixes and flavours. I used to love Richworth double strength Condensed Milk and Peach Melba. I started off using Richworth 50/50 Gold and went on from there.
Then in my late teens I started making my own fishmeal baits. My favourite mix was:
50% Richworth Fishmeal.
50% Solar Squid & Octopus.
10ml Leeda Squid & Octopus oil.
3ml RH Shellfish Sense Appeal.
2ml Richworth Peach Melba.
I also used to dip my baits in Lobster Thermidor but can't remember if it were RH or Nashbait.
If I were you, I would get in touch with a bait company and explain that you would like a decent 50/50 mix and go from there. I'm sure there are plenty of companies like ABS or Premier Baits who would be willing to help out a young bait maker 👍🏻
Aha, fair enough buddy.
Just want to echo what has already been said and well done for wanting to be different and do your own thing. Hats off!!!
I was just a little younger than you when I started playing around making my own bait and I got nothing but fond memories. I remember all my mates thinking I was mad as I used to use all my pocket money and birthday money buying base mixes and flavours. I used to love Richworth double strength Condensed Milk and Peach Melba. I started off using Richworth 50/50 Gold and went on from there.
Then in my late teens I started making my own fishmeal baits. My favourite mix was:
50% Richworth Fishmeal.
50% Solar Squid & Octopus.
10ml Leeda Squid & Octopus oil.
3ml RH Shellfish Sense Appeal.
2ml Richworth Peach Melba.
I also used to dip my baits in Lobster Thermidor but can't remember if it were RH or Nashbait.
If I were you, I would get in touch with a bait company and explain that you would like a decent 50/50 mix and go from there. I'm sure there are plenty of companies like ABS or Premier Baits who would be willing to help out a young bait maker 👍🏻
In reply to Post #46
Thank you everyone for the kind comments. I think then after reading your helpful comments i will find a decent birdfood base mix and start with that. I will add liver liquid and some flavourings to each mix. hopefully once i get the hang of rolling pre made basemixes ill move onto bristols mix as i like the look of it. Cheers everyone i appreciate this massively! youve made my week
Thank you everyone for the kind comments. I think then after reading your helpful comments i will find a decent birdfood base mix and start with that. I will add liver liquid and some flavourings to each mix. hopefully once i get the hang of rolling pre made basemixes ill move onto bristols mix as i like the look of it. Cheers everyone i appreciate this massively! youve made my week
In reply to Post #47
How would this be?
the water i am currently fishing is extremely silty and the fish tend to be caught on meaty/ fishmeal baits i am told.
( just to help you help me chose a basemix)
http://www.qualitybaits.co.uk/base-mixes/107-50-50-spicy-red-fish.html
or
http://www.qualitybaits.co.uk/base-mixes/106-50-50-yellow-bird.html#/43-weight-5_kg
or
http://www.qualitybaits.co.uk/hnv-base-mixes/96-patshull-park-winter-mix.html
or
https://www.boiliehub.com/product/the-carnivore-boilie-basemix/
or
https://www.aabaits.co.uk/product/hnv-superred-base-mix/
or
https://www.aabaits.co.uk/product/hnv-superseed-base-mix/
or
https://www.aabaits.co.uk/product/hnv-fishmeal-base-mix/
sorry for the long list again. Just dont want to buy the wrong one.
How would this be?
the water i am currently fishing is extremely silty and the fish tend to be caught on meaty/ fishmeal baits i am told.
( just to help you help me chose a basemix)
http://www.qualitybaits.co.uk/base-mixes/107-50-50-spicy-red-fish.html
or
http://www.qualitybaits.co.uk/base-mixes/106-50-50-yellow-bird.html#/43-weight-5_kg
or
http://www.qualitybaits.co.uk/hnv-base-mixes/96-patshull-park-winter-mix.html
or
https://www.boiliehub.com/product/the-carnivore-boilie-basemix/
or
https://www.aabaits.co.uk/product/hnv-superred-base-mix/
or
https://www.aabaits.co.uk/product/hnv-superseed-base-mix/
or
https://www.aabaits.co.uk/product/hnv-fishmeal-base-mix/
sorry for the long list again. Just dont want to buy the wrong one.
In reply to Post #47
Great stuff mate!
Find them, feed them and catch them....,but leave a few for us old hands to catch!
Great stuff mate!
Find them, feed them and catch them....,but leave a few for us old hands to catch!
In reply to Post #48
Good morning HG.
You won't go wrong with any of those mixes.
Personally I would go with either the AA seed mix or QB seed mix.
Buy yourself a pot of John Baker Plum flavour and you are away.
The flavour is a bit pricey but use it at very low levels and it will last you a while, so you will still be being cost effective.
Good morning HG.
You won't go wrong with any of those mixes.
Personally I would go with either the AA seed mix or QB seed mix.
Buy yourself a pot of John Baker Plum flavour and you are away.
The flavour is a bit pricey but use it at very low levels and it will last you a while, so you will still be being cost effective.
In reply to Post #48
Dynamite baits do a great bait mate. Called The Source. You can get 1kg of basemix plus the bottle of flavour for £10. Should make getting on for 2kilo of bait. It is a very, very good ‘off the peg' bait.......Terry Hearn's favourite bait.
Dynamite baits do a great bait mate. Called The Source. You can get 1kg of basemix plus the bottle of flavour for £10. Should make getting on for 2kilo of bait. It is a very, very good ‘off the peg' bait.......Terry Hearn's favourite bait.
In reply to Post #48
The qb Pattishall Park mix is superb, use that, some hydroslate, bit of oil, and some spices and you've got a bait that will catch any carp alive. Don't bother with a flavour, they catch more anglers than fish imo
The qb Pattishall Park mix is superb, use that, some hydroslate, bit of oil, and some spices and you've got a bait that will catch any carp alive. Don't bother with a flavour, they catch more anglers than fish imo
In reply to Post #51
Less than 1.5kg from a kg of basemix chap, works out pretty expensive compared to the ones he mentioned
Less than 1.5kg from a kg of basemix chap, works out pretty expensive compared to the ones he mentioned
In reply to Post #52
Should i be using the normal patshull park or winter mix this time of year?
and if you have used it did it make a difference using the winter mix
Should i be using the normal patshull park or winter mix this time of year?
and if you have used it did it make a difference using the winter mix
In reply to Post #54
I may just start with a 50/50 protien base mix from AA baits then add stuff to it.
40% 50/50 protien mix
40% protien (LT94)
10% texture (kelp meal)
10% solubles (?)
what do you think?
or should i just stick to pre made base mixes since i cant buy in bulk?
I may just start with a 50/50 protien base mix from AA baits then add stuff to it.
40% 50/50 protien mix
40% protien (LT94)
10% texture (kelp meal)
10% solubles (?)
what do you think?
or should i just stick to pre made base mixes since i cant buy in bulk?
In reply to Post #55
Whilst I salute your spirit I would stick to a ready made base mix at this stage. Get used to rolling bait and then try a few bits of your own.
Whilst I salute your spirit I would stick to a ready made base mix at this stage. Get used to rolling bait and then try a few bits of your own.
In reply to Post #56
Okay sweet, i will give the quality baits basemixes a go then.
just ahve to decide between patshull park, spicy red bird, red robin and liver and the 50/50 yellow birdfood.
any ideas so we can come to a bit of a conclusion?
thank you veryone for your help i appreciate it massively.
Okay sweet, i will give the quality baits basemixes a go then.
just ahve to decide between patshull park, spicy red bird, red robin and liver and the 50/50 yellow birdfood.
any ideas so we can come to a bit of a conclusion?
thank you veryone for your help i appreciate it massively.
In reply to Post #57
50/50 Spicy red fish & bird
Add some Squid brand fish sauce and that's it nothing else, find the fish and fish well and you will catch, your already over complicating things.
50/50 Spicy red fish & bird
Add some Squid brand fish sauce and that's it nothing else, find the fish and fish well and you will catch, your already over complicating things.
In reply to Post #54
I've not used the winter version so can't answer that I'm afraid. Just stick to the mixes as they are and just add your attractors and oils ect to them, if you start bulking them out with other stuff you might end up making them unroll able or break down too quickly if you don't really understand what you are doing
I've not used the winter version so can't answer that I'm afraid. Just stick to the mixes as they are and just add your attractors and oils ect to them, if you start bulking them out with other stuff you might end up making them unroll able or break down too quickly if you don't really understand what you are doing
In reply to Post #59
so its come down between patshull park, spicy red fish bird, yellow bird ( quality baits)
since its winter i am not sure the spicy fish and bird is going to work. so maybe its between patshull park and spicy fish and bird.
so its come down between patshull park, spicy red fish bird, yellow bird ( quality baits)
since its winter i am not sure the spicy fish and bird is going to work. so maybe its between patshull park and spicy fish and bird.
In reply to Post #60
I'd go with the Patsull Park personally. It's been in their range years and will certainly catch you fish.
I'd go with the Patsull Park personally. It's been in their range years and will certainly catch you fish.
In reply to Post #61
Alright everyone i shall go for the patshull park mix as it seems everyone has done well on it.
for liquids can i use quality baits liver liquid food and eggs so:how does that look?
1kg base mix
30ml liquid liver
??? eggs
Alright everyone i shall go for the patshull park mix as it seems everyone has done well on it.
for liquids can i use quality baits liver liquid food and eggs so:how does that look?
1kg base mix
30ml liquid liver
??? eggs
In reply to Post #62
Bung in 50g of a spice or spice mix and you are good to go
Bung in 50g of a spice or spice mix and you are good to go
In reply to Post #63
sweet so:
950g base mix
50g spice
30ml liquid liver
how many eggs?
and instead of liquid liver i may use rod hutchinsons the force liquid. Anyone tried it?
sweet so:
950g base mix
50g spice
30ml liquid liver
how many eggs?
and instead of liquid liver i may use rod hutchinsons the force liquid. Anyone tried it?
In reply to Post #64
It will take about 6 eggs maybe a little more. You can add both if you want but don't complicate it. Roll a small batch with 1 egg and 100-150g of powder see how it feels. Add the powder slowly as you can add to much and it will dry out very quick.
If you want to add the Rod stuff just try 4-5ml.
It will take about 6 eggs maybe a little more. You can add both if you want but don't complicate it. Roll a small batch with 1 egg and 100-150g of powder see how it feels. Add the powder slowly as you can add to much and it will dry out very quick.
If you want to add the Rod stuff just try 4-5ml.
In reply to Post #64
Or as you are on a budget, just get a bottle of squid brand fish sauce from your local oriental supermarket. 750ml will cost you around £2. Use 5ml per egg.
Or as you are on a budget, just get a bottle of squid brand fish sauce from your local oriental supermarket. 750ml will cost you around £2. Use 5ml per egg.
In reply to Post #64
Use 1kg basemix
100g belachan block and 5g betaine hcl and 20ml salmon oil to help it roll
Or
50g belachan and 50g vecon and 5g betaine hcl and 20ml salmon oil
Add To 7 large eggs. Add the basemix a bit at a time until you get the right consistency which will be a bit doughy like making a cake and not so the mix is to sticky were it sticks to much to your hands. If it is to wet put it into a air tight sandwich bag and leave to absorb the liquids.
You wont need nothing else
I was abit younger than you when I started making my own bait. Trust me it can be so worth while and the results you can have compared to using what everyone else is can be unbelievable.
Use 1kg basemix
100g belachan block and 5g betaine hcl and 20ml salmon oil to help it roll
Or
50g belachan and 50g vecon and 5g betaine hcl and 20ml salmon oil
Add To 7 large eggs. Add the basemix a bit at a time until you get the right consistency which will be a bit doughy like making a cake and not so the mix is to sticky were it sticks to much to your hands. If it is to wet put it into a air tight sandwich bag and leave to absorb the liquids.
You wont need nothing else
I was abit younger than you when I started making my own bait. Trust me it can be so worth while and the results you can have compared to using what everyone else is can be unbelievable.
In reply to Post #66
Good shout that
Good shout that
In reply to Post #68
Do i need these or could i just start off by using the base mix on its own? ( this will be my first time rolling bait)
what is the best liquid food to add to it anyway?
Do i need these or could i just start off by using the base mix on its own? ( this will be my first time rolling bait)
what is the best liquid food to add to it anyway?
In reply to Post #69
Any hydroslate will do, they are all decent. Some oil to aid rolling, then either the spices or fish sauce.
Any hydroslate will do, they are all decent. Some oil to aid rolling, then either the spices or fish sauce.
In reply to Post #69
I think you are getting confused with the conflicting advice. You've decided on quality baits patsull Park mix, good choice, now just pick a liquid from their range, your original choice, liquid liver is a good one as would be their corn steep liquor. You might need a drop of oil, hemp is good in winter, and despite others advice add a flavour, their tutti frutti has a good reputation with my friends.
Try to avoid over thinking it, make your choice, roll your baits and see how you get on, make any changes next time.
I think you are getting confused with the conflicting advice. You've decided on quality baits patsull Park mix, good choice, now just pick a liquid from their range, your original choice, liquid liver is a good one as would be their corn steep liquor. You might need a drop of oil, hemp is good in winter, and despite others advice add a flavour, their tutti frutti has a good reputation with my friends.
Try to avoid over thinking it, make your choice, roll your baits and see how you get on, make any changes next time.
In reply to Post #71
Why add a flavour? They are an expensive additive which questionably bring nothing extra to a bait. I've fished the same baits with and without side by side to test and found unflavoured better by some margin.
Why add a flavour? They are an expensive additive which questionably bring nothing extra to a bait. I've fished the same baits with and without side by side to test and found unflavoured better by some margin.
In reply to Post #72
Simple really a good flavour adds to the initial attraction, well that's my experience, I have to agree that there are a lot of poor flavours about, but find a good one and they will make a ball of semolinai and flour a good bait...a good flavour makes a good bait better.
Simple really a good flavour adds to the initial attraction, well that's my experience, I have to agree that there are a lot of poor flavours about, but find a good one and they will make a ball of semolinai and flour a good bait...a good flavour makes a good bait better.
In reply to Post #73
the only question is what is good flavour on todays market
the only question is what is good flavour on todays market
In reply to Post #73
Couldn't disagree more, if it's a decent bait then it has that initial attraction already within it.
Couldn't disagree more, if it's a decent bait then it has that initial attraction already within it.
In reply to Post #74
I don't think you can go wrong with any John Baker flavour.
I don't think you can go wrong with any John Baker flavour.
In reply to Post #76
I have had a good friend of mine tell me that pre made base mixes wont work and that i would have to make my own. is this true?
I have had a good friend of mine tell me that pre made base mixes wont work and that i would have to make my own. is this true?
In reply to Post #77
How would i make my mix meaty flavoured. my water does well on meaty baits but i am unsure how to get the meat flavour into the boilie mix?
How would i make my mix meaty flavoured. my water does well on meaty baits but i am unsure how to get the meat flavour into the boilie mix?
In reply to Post #77
Your mate is talking rubbish chap, pre made basemix works perfectly well if rolled correctly and you use a decent one
Your mate is talking rubbish chap, pre made basemix works perfectly well if rolled correctly and you use a decent one
In reply to Post #79
Was gonna say, and isnt it also cheaper? only thing is im borrowing his rolling gear so i may ened up having to abide by his way of bait making which he said is to use a 50/50 mix then add whatever you want for the other 50% of mix.
Was gonna say, and isnt it also cheaper? only thing is im borrowing his rolling gear so i may ened up having to abide by his way of bait making which he said is to use a 50/50 mix then add whatever you want for the other 50% of mix.
In reply to Post #80
It works out cheaper to make your own if you can buy and store it in bulk, and will use it so as its not stored for too long. But as you are new to making bait its way better to get the hang of it with a pre made mix. His idea of buying a 50/50 then just using whatever else shows his lack of understanding as that is a very vague description of what to do. You could add a load of other stuff which makes the bait unusable very easily.
Bare in mind that to make something good from scratch, to make it cheaper than something like the patishull Park mix, will mean buying ingredients in bulk sacks, meaning you could have 100kg or more of basemix to make it cheaper per kg than pre made, and stuff all has a shelf life, so unless you are going to be using that amount of bait within a few months it's really not the way to go imo.
It works out cheaper to make your own if you can buy and store it in bulk, and will use it so as its not stored for too long. But as you are new to making bait its way better to get the hang of it with a pre made mix. His idea of buying a 50/50 then just using whatever else shows his lack of understanding as that is a very vague description of what to do. You could add a load of other stuff which makes the bait unusable very easily.
Bare in mind that to make something good from scratch, to make it cheaper than something like the patishull Park mix, will mean buying ingredients in bulk sacks, meaning you could have 100kg or more of basemix to make it cheaper per kg than pre made, and stuff all has a shelf life, so unless you are going to be using that amount of bait within a few months it's really not the way to go imo.
In reply to Post #81
Cheers mate, i shall order some patshull park and liquid liver now from there website.
Cheers mate, i shall order some patshull park and liquid liver now from there website.
In reply to Post #82
Couldnt i just use 50/50 mix on its own with liquid food?
Couldnt i just use 50/50 mix on its own with liquid food?
In reply to Post #83
You are talking yourself out of a good bait.....no a 50/50 baits gas nothing to attract or feed the carp.... stick with the Patsull park mix and liver (plus a flavour) and stop asking any more questions
You are talking yourself out of a good bait.....no a 50/50 baits gas nothing to attract or feed the carp.... stick with the Patsull park mix and liver (plus a flavour) and stop asking any more questions
In reply to Post #83
Mate stop overthinking it, you can make cheaper bait, but it will be less effective. Way less. Patihul Park mix, hydro, spice, oil, job done, good bait for less than a fiver a kg
Mate stop overthinking it, you can make cheaper bait, but it will be less effective. Way less. Patihul Park mix, hydro, spice, oil, job done, good bait for less than a fiver a kg
In reply to Post #85
Okay sorry guys just getting alot of different opinioons from alot of different people and its hard to know who knows best as im a younger person lol. i shall stick with patshull park
Okay sorry guys just getting alot of different opinioons from alot of different people and its hard to know who knows best as im a younger person lol. i shall stick with patshull park
In reply to Post #86
patshull park + liquid liver + postage = 30.50 so it would be 6.10 a kg which isnt too bad
i may also make some pop ups
patshull park + liquid liver + postage = 30.50 so it would be 6.10 a kg which isnt too bad
i may also make some pop ups
In reply to Post #86
When I was your age HG I used to spend more time with the baits out of the water mate. I used to follow the good anglers in the AT,AM Carp Talk etc. Used to get a lift or bike it and watch these guys. Tommy Pickering, Kevin Ashurst, Billy Makin, Dave Harrell etc. I eventually fished against a couple of those but unfortunately never with. But the best angler I've ever sat behind and been pegged against was Bob Robert's. He could have an audience or one person behind him and explain why he was doing something. You don't have to grind away on forum's to get invaluable experience mate. Many ways to put fish on the bank, good. bait( not magic bait) and good angling will do it, tight lines.
When I was your age HG I used to spend more time with the baits out of the water mate. I used to follow the good anglers in the AT,AM Carp Talk etc. Used to get a lift or bike it and watch these guys. Tommy Pickering, Kevin Ashurst, Billy Makin, Dave Harrell etc. I eventually fished against a couple of those but unfortunately never with. But the best angler I've ever sat behind and been pegged against was Bob Robert's. He could have an audience or one person behind him and explain why he was doing something. You don't have to grind away on forum's to get invaluable experience mate. Many ways to put fish on the bank, good. bait( not magic bait) and good angling will do it, tight lines.
In reply to Post #87
You'll have loads of liquid liver left. How much are you ordering ? You won't need more than 30ml per Kg
You'll have loads of liquid liver left. How much are you ordering ? You won't need more than 30ml per Kg
In reply to Post #87
You will get 1.4kg of bait per kg of basemix so even cheaper 😊
You will get 1.4kg of bait per kg of basemix so even cheaper 😊
In reply to Post #90
My thought exactly. Plus if ordering 250ml of Liver you'll get 9kg out of it.
My thought exactly. Plus if ordering 250ml of Liver you'll get 9kg out of it.
In reply to Post #91
so from 5kg of base mix i should end up with 7kg of boilies?
so from 5kg of base mix i should end up with 7kg of boilies?
In reply to Post #92
HG.
Seriously dude. You are getting in a pickle. Just try to stop thinking too much and read what has been suggested to you.
Get yourself a decent base mix and roll it. I know forums are here for advice but there is only so much advice one can receive.
Stop overthinking everything and give making bait a crack. If not go buy some Cell and you will catch.
Good luck young man.
HG.
Seriously dude. You are getting in a pickle. Just try to stop thinking too much and read what has been suggested to you.
Get yourself a decent base mix and roll it. I know forums are here for advice but there is only so much advice one can receive.
Stop overthinking everything and give making bait a crack. If not go buy some Cell and you will catch.
Good luck young man.
In reply to Post #92
Yes
Yes
In reply to Post #92
You'll also be adding eggs, maybe a drop of oil in warmer weather and any other moisture trapped in the baits unless thoroughly air dried.
Personally if I was your age I'd just buy a proven bait to use sparingly. With youth on your side just keep moving and watching for fish to catch which will 100% catch more in the long run and cost less. Then spend precious time and money on important stuff, like females
The 2 or 3 best anglers I know happily use bait out of the bag, a lot of guys on here didn't have the luxury of proven great fish catching baits when they were your age. It's hard to buy a bad bait nowadays
You'll also be adding eggs, maybe a drop of oil in warmer weather and any other moisture trapped in the baits unless thoroughly air dried.
Personally if I was your age I'd just buy a proven bait to use sparingly. With youth on your side just keep moving and watching for fish to catch which will 100% catch more in the long run and cost less. Then spend precious time and money on important stuff, like females
The 2 or 3 best anglers I know happily use bait out of the bag, a lot of guys on here didn't have the luxury of proven great fish catching baits when they were your age. It's hard to buy a bad bait nowadays
Interesting thread to read from top to bottom!
HG will you let us know how you get on and what you ended up going with?
It sounds like some of your hesitation comes from you wanting the bait to be perfect first time round, whilst people are telling you to roll small test batches etc. From what I've seen when you're starting in bait making there's so much trial and error it's going to take you a fare few goes until you've got something you're happy with rolling 'en mass' and using for a long period of time.
I remember starting to take fishing seriously at about 15 and like you would have done anything to keep the cost down! Keep going though bud and hope you get something that you're happy with and catches you some fish.
HG will you let us know how you get on and what you ended up going with?
It sounds like some of your hesitation comes from you wanting the bait to be perfect first time round, whilst people are telling you to roll small test batches etc. From what I've seen when you're starting in bait making there's so much trial and error it's going to take you a fare few goes until you've got something you're happy with rolling 'en mass' and using for a long period of time.
I remember starting to take fishing seriously at about 15 and like you would have done anything to keep the cost down! Keep going though bud and hope you get something that you're happy with and catches you some fish.
In reply to Post #93
Very well said this man
Very well said this man
In reply to Post #97
I shall let you all know how i get on with patshull park! thank you everyone for the kind words and helpful advice. can be very overwhelming when starting out and seeing 500 different ingredients that you dont know what they are and how to use them lol!!!
Yesterday my friend gave me some pop up mix for me to use so i went home and made the pop ups. they turned out very wrong indeed although this was due to the pop up mix itself as it was a very cheap one (500g for £5). baits were all cracked and had white froth all over them and not only that they were a pain to roll and get the consistency right with! shall order some good pop up mix next time from a trusted supplier such as BAF or AA baits. although last nights bait making sesh went badly i am eager to try some more!
I shall let you all know how i get on with patshull park! thank you everyone for the kind words and helpful advice. can be very overwhelming when starting out and seeing 500 different ingredients that you dont know what they are and how to use them lol!!!
Yesterday my friend gave me some pop up mix for me to use so i went home and made the pop ups. they turned out very wrong indeed although this was due to the pop up mix itself as it was a very cheap one (500g for £5). baits were all cracked and had white froth all over them and not only that they were a pain to roll and get the consistency right with! shall order some good pop up mix next time from a trusted supplier such as BAF or AA baits. although last nights bait making sesh went badly i am eager to try some more!
In reply to Post #98
Not used BAFs pop up mix yet but AA baits is good. Rolls nicely. Unsure who's is better for buyouncy but AAs will pop up 48 hours. And I've never left a rig out that long as I'm in the wrong place if nothing's happens in 48 hours.
Not used BAFs pop up mix yet but AA baits is good. Rolls nicely. Unsure who's is better for buyouncy but AAs will pop up 48 hours. And I've never left a rig out that long as I'm in the wrong place if nothing's happens in 48 hours.
In reply to Post #98
Mate don't waste your time making pop ups, far more hassle than it's worth imo. I make my own bottom baits, but just buy popups. There are loads of decent popups on the market, and for the expense of buying the stuff to make them it's just not worth it.
Mate don't waste your time making pop ups, far more hassle than it's worth imo. I make my own bottom baits, but just buy popups. There are loads of decent popups on the market, and for the expense of buying the stuff to make them it's just not worth it.
In reply to Post #99
This week on BAF website they put a DIY pop up or wafter pack on there website. you get 250g of pop up mix, 50ml flavour, 500ml liquid food.
This week on BAF website they put a DIY pop up or wafter pack on there website. you get 250g of pop up mix, 50ml flavour, 500ml liquid food.
In reply to Post #100
Alright i shall order some patshull park and liquid liver.
Alright i shall order some patshull park and liquid liver.
In reply to Post #102
My water is quite silty and natural as its surrounded by a forest. has alot of bloodworm and othe rnatural food for the carp in it aswell. should i use bloodwom liquid food instead of liver due to the fact the carp would be use to it?
My water is quite silty and natural as its surrounded by a forest. has alot of bloodworm and othe rnatural food for the carp in it aswell. should i use bloodwom liquid food instead of liver due to the fact the carp would be use to it?
In reply to Post #103
That's a bit like using a blade of grass to catch a cow in a field of grass. You'll probably catch it eventually given enough time. You need a more attractive stand out hookbait to cut the waiting time down.
That's a bit like using a blade of grass to catch a cow in a field of grass. You'll probably catch it eventually given enough time. You need a more attractive stand out hookbait to cut the waiting time down.
In reply to Post #103
Keep it as simple as possible.
Proven Patshall base mix, fresh eggs, and bit of winterised salmon oil and a low level flavour, like John Bakers Plum, a nice smell to keep the peace indoors.
No 'bloodworm food' that would be a waste of money IMHO.
Keep it as simple as possible.
Proven Patshall base mix, fresh eggs, and bit of winterised salmon oil and a low level flavour, like John Bakers Plum, a nice smell to keep the peace indoors.
No 'bloodworm food' that would be a waste of money IMHO.
In reply to Post #103
Liver will be fine mate, it's a brilliant additive especially when using with garlic and fenugreek in my experience
Liver will be fine mate, it's a brilliant additive especially when using with garlic and fenugreek in my experience
In reply to Post #1
My advice. Buy a commercial made base mix. Have a look at the Mainline stuff, all you need is eggs and the matching liquid. Would be a doodle for you to roll
With respect, I don't know your level of bait knowledge but you might struggle to put one together as effective as this
When you start with your own mixes you have to perfect them to pending make up, perfect bind
Get you a feel for rolling bait too, getting the mix right
My advice. Buy a commercial made base mix. Have a look at the Mainline stuff, all you need is eggs and the matching liquid. Would be a doodle for you to roll
With respect, I don't know your level of bait knowledge but you might struggle to put one together as effective as this
When you start with your own mixes you have to perfect them to pending make up, perfect bind
Get you a feel for rolling bait too, getting the mix right
In reply to Post #107
How many eggs should i be adding to it? writing out the recipe for patshull park now. also what is the easiest size of batch to make? 500grams? 1kg?
How many eggs should i be adding to it? writing out the recipe for patshull park now. also what is the easiest size of batch to make? 500grams? 1kg?
In reply to Post #108
Eggs will depend on the amount of liquid you add. But id start by making very small 1 or 2 egg mixes, mix until the dough just loses its tackiness, so it's still workable but doesn't stick to everything. If you weigh out some mix, mix until you get that consistency and then weigh the remaining base mix you can work out how much per egg you will use. Also egg size makes a big difference so make a note of what size eggs you use. My own mix uses 100g of mix per large egg, so 10eggs per kg of dry mix, but I don't have a huge amount of liquids in mine
Eggs will depend on the amount of liquid you add. But id start by making very small 1 or 2 egg mixes, mix until the dough just loses its tackiness, so it's still workable but doesn't stick to everything. If you weigh out some mix, mix until you get that consistency and then weigh the remaining base mix you can work out how much per egg you will use. Also egg size makes a big difference so make a note of what size eggs you use. My own mix uses 100g of mix per large egg, so 10eggs per kg of dry mix, but I don't have a huge amount of liquids in mine
In reply to Post #109
Okay cool thanks for the help!
Okay cool thanks for the help!
In reply to Post #110
Hi everyone,
First time out with the Patshull park winter mix on a new water i haven't caught from before. first 24hr session i used it i had 2 fish an 18lber and a 24lber. i had been fishing the lake for 6 months with no joy and then rolled my first ever boilies and caught. insane! and what a amazing feeling! since that session i have been out 3 more times two of which i blanked but for the third trip decided to make some dumbell shaped ones instead and i managed 5 fish on my 3rd session. 32lb, 29lb, 27lb,22lb, 12lb. i was over the moon and now really enjoy rolling my own baits! thank you evryone for starting me on my bait rolling journey!!!
now want to try making pop ups for my single hookbaits. i am currently looking at nutrabaits flavours and liquids
Hi everyone,
First time out with the Patshull park winter mix on a new water i haven't caught from before. first 24hr session i used it i had 2 fish an 18lber and a 24lber. i had been fishing the lake for 6 months with no joy and then rolled my first ever boilies and caught. insane! and what a amazing feeling! since that session i have been out 3 more times two of which i blanked but for the third trip decided to make some dumbell shaped ones instead and i managed 5 fish on my 3rd session. 32lb, 29lb, 27lb,22lb, 12lb. i was over the moon and now really enjoy rolling my own baits! thank you evryone for starting me on my bait rolling journey!!!
now want to try making pop ups for my single hookbaits. i am currently looking at nutrabaits flavours and liquids
In reply to Post #111
Ah that's awesome mate well done!!
Ah that's awesome mate well done!!
In reply to Post #111
Very well done
Very well done
In reply to Post #113
i used 30ml of liquid liver in the mix
i used 30ml of liquid liver in the mix
In reply to Post #111
Well done. Happy home rolling.
Hunter by name, Hunter by nature.
Happy new year 🥳 hauling to you.
Well done. Happy home rolling.
Hunter by name, Hunter by nature.
Happy new year 🥳 hauling to you.
In reply to Post #111
What a result!
What a result!
In reply to Post #111
Good work that man, great feeling isn't it? What recipe did you settle on?
Good work that man, great feeling isn't it? What recipe did you settle on?
In reply to Post #111
Awesome, well done!
Awesome, well done!
In reply to Post #119
i eneded up using the patshull park winter base mix straight from the bag and 30ml of liquid liver.
i eneded up using the patshull park winter base mix straight from the bag and 30ml of liquid liver.
In reply to Post #120
used the boilies as hookbaits aswell so does show that they liked them so much that they took the hookbait and rig aswell as freebies
used the boilies as hookbaits aswell so does show that they liked them so much that they took the hookbait and rig aswell as freebies
In reply to Post #120
Shows a decent base mix and a few additives can produce. Makes you wonder why people pay £12 a kg.
Shows a decent base mix and a few additives can produce. Makes you wonder why people pay £12 a kg.
In reply to Post #121
used the boilies as hookbaits as well they liked them so much that they took the hookbait and rig aswell as freebies
Once upon a time we all fished like that...Of course, nowadays this tactic is called 'matching the hatch'. There is nothing new in carp fishing, just new terminology.
used the boilies as hookbaits as well they liked them so much that they took the hookbait and rig aswell as freebies
Once upon a time we all fished like that...Of course, nowadays this tactic is called 'matching the hatch'. There is nothing new in carp fishing, just new terminology.
In reply to Post #123
Not much on patshull park mix recently probably because its winter and the fish have slowed down. Looking at starting a baiting campaign on a new water which has never been fished for carp. Any suggestions on another base mix i could try as looking at trying another one just for fun and experience. Been looking at BAF 50/50 mix aa it says it can be used on its own. Id just add a liquid food spices and maybe a flavour to the mix. Would that be okay.
Not much on patshull park mix recently probably because its winter and the fish have slowed down. Looking at starting a baiting campaign on a new water which has never been fished for carp. Any suggestions on another base mix i could try as looking at trying another one just for fun and experience. Been looking at BAF 50/50 mix aa it says it can be used on its own. Id just add a liquid food spices and maybe a flavour to the mix. Would that be okay.
In reply to Post #124
I would just carry on using what you was before. You know it works.
No doubts, Just find feeding fish on the new water.
I would just carry on using what you was before. You know it works.
No doubts, Just find feeding fish on the new water.
In reply to Post #125
Rolled 7kg of QB patshull park now. need to put another order in for QB base mix. i am looking at trying the liver and robin red mix. can anyone recommend it? will be using liquid liver with it like last time.
Rolled 7kg of QB patshull park now. need to put another order in for QB base mix. i am looking at trying the liver and robin red mix. can anyone recommend it? will be using liquid liver with it like last time.
HG i wouldnt go making another bait until your happy with your first one you will end up with 3 or 4 different baits and not truly know what was effective and why.
In reply to Post #127
okay mate cheers.
struggled with rolling the last 1kg mix i did. ended up getting ovals and uneven boilies. what size nozzle should i be using for what size table? i used a 16mm nozzle and 16mm table.
okay mate cheers.
struggled with rolling the last 1kg mix i did. ended up getting ovals and uneven boilies. what size nozzle should i be using for what size table? i used a 16mm nozzle and 16mm table.
In reply to Post #126
I actually used a combination of patsull Park mix with the liver and Robin Red mix but with added yeast and some whey protein for one year with liquid liver and Csl. However that was a while ago when Robin Red was something special, I can assure you it's nowadays it's nothing like it used to be.
I actually used a combination of patsull Park mix with the liver and Robin Red mix but with added yeast and some whey protein for one year with liquid liver and Csl. However that was a while ago when Robin Red was something special, I can assure you it's nowadays it's nothing like it used to be.
In reply to Post #128
Maybe drop down to say a 14mm or 15mm nozzle to allow for slight expansion once pushed out.
Stick with JUST one base mix, and attractor package that you like, and just learn how the mix/paste acts and rolls.
Knowledge is key, and practice makes perfect.
The answer to your last mix problem could be a simple tweak, too soft or too hard a paste makes a difference gunning out or manually rolling sausages by a gardener rolling table.
Maybe drop down to say a 14mm or 15mm nozzle to allow for slight expansion once pushed out.
Stick with JUST one base mix, and attractor package that you like, and just learn how the mix/paste acts and rolls.
Knowledge is key, and practice makes perfect.
The answer to your last mix problem could be a simple tweak, too soft or too hard a paste makes a difference gunning out or manually rolling sausages by a gardener rolling table.
In reply to Post #128
You need to use a smaller nozzle as they expand slightly. It's better to not buy the pre sized nozzles, just get the ones which you cut yourself and just nip bits off until its right
You need to use a smaller nozzle as they expand slightly. It's better to not buy the pre sized nozzles, just get the ones which you cut yourself and just nip bits off until its right
In reply to Post #128
Literally could be down to expansion as the mix comes out, try a swifter movement over the rolling table. I'm sure you've realized bait making can be trial and error in but stick with 1 mix, there's nothing wrong with patsull park.
Literally could be down to expansion as the mix comes out, try a swifter movement over the rolling table. I'm sure you've realized bait making can be trial and error in but stick with 1 mix, there's nothing wrong with patsull park.
In reply to Post #132
Alright then i shall stick to the mix i have been using.
patshull park
liquid liver
Alright then i shall stick to the mix i have been using.
patshull park
liquid liver
In reply to Post #133
It's the best way, chopping and changing all the time will teach you nothing
It's the best way, chopping and changing all the time will teach you nothing
In reply to Post #128
I've recently got back into rolling my own and it's been extremely therapeutic during this present lockdown scenario. I've found that different mixes (I'm using the quality baits ones too - p.park winter, 50/50 fish and superfine 50/50) all swell and gun out differently. Whilst I'm not too fussy about the shape, I found dropping down a nozzle size (e.g 16mm table/14mm nozzle) Lead to more uniformity. For some nice barrel shapes I drop down 2 nozzle sizes. I found that leaving the mix for 5 mins after mixing in - say 2/3rds of the base mix in - gives more consistent rolling, than mixing the whole lot up and resting the ball of paste afterwards.
I've recently got back into rolling my own and it's been extremely therapeutic during this present lockdown scenario. I've found that different mixes (I'm using the quality baits ones too - p.park winter, 50/50 fish and superfine 50/50) all swell and gun out differently. Whilst I'm not too fussy about the shape, I found dropping down a nozzle size (e.g 16mm table/14mm nozzle) Lead to more uniformity. For some nice barrel shapes I drop down 2 nozzle sizes. I found that leaving the mix for 5 mins after mixing in - say 2/3rds of the base mix in - gives more consistent rolling, than mixing the whole lot up and resting the ball of paste afterwards.
In reply to Post #135
so for 16mm boilies use a 14mm nozzle?
so for 16mm boilies use a 14mm nozzle?
In reply to Post #136
yeah, i just cut a nozzle bit by bit till its perfect if i cant find my old one
but yeah thats about right
yeah, i just cut a nozzle bit by bit till its perfect if i cant find my old one
but yeah thats about right
In reply to Post #111
A pal of mine swears by the patshull park mix I've not used it and probably won't but it's good to hear your having success on it. I have been on there for ten years now.
A pal of mine swears by the patshull park mix I've not used it and probably won't but it's good to hear your having success on it. I have been on there for ten years now.
I found that that base mix and nozzle size vary so I don't worry about the nozzle size to much I cut it to the best size however I've always resorted to using the height dependant rolling jobbies prior to using a rolling table.
In reply to Post #139
what feeding stimulants could i add to my baits. so far have 30ml of liquid liver. just very confused on what to incorporate in my bait to induce feeding.
what feeding stimulants could i add to my baits. so far have 30ml of liquid liver. just very confused on what to incorporate in my bait to induce feeding.
In reply to Post #140
What type of fishing do you do. Mainly sessions ie 48 hours or more or quick day or overnight sessions. Do you fish the same water all the time or do you visit several, what are the stock levels like? reason I ask is because it makes a difference to the advice I would give.
What type of fishing do you do. Mainly sessions ie 48 hours or more or quick day or overnight sessions. Do you fish the same water all the time or do you visit several, what are the stock levels like? reason I ask is because it makes a difference to the advice I would give.
In reply to Post #141
I normally do 24hr sessions and focusing on one lake which has 200 carp in 8 acres. Very silty.
I normally do 24hr sessions and focusing on one lake which has 200 carp in 8 acres. Very silty.
In reply to Post #142
Was looking at mainline activ ades. Anyone know the dosage for high attract hookbaits to use them with?
Was looking at mainline activ ades. Anyone know the dosage for high attract hookbaits to use them with?
In reply to Post #142
In your situation your current bait is fine and once the carp wake up properly it will catch you plenty of fish in the long run.
But as you only fish shortish sessions a tactic I have personally used is that of using a secondary bait along side your main one. A very basic 50/50mix or a bird food mix with a a yellow or orange dye and reasonably high levels of a good flavour like tutti frutti. Feed 90% of your patsull Park mix and 10% of the secondary bait, but use hook baits from both on different rods, you might just be surprised at the results. The secondary bait could easily be a shelf life bait, I can recommend Nash tangerine dream or mistral rosehip isotonic I have used both with this tactic.
l know many say you don't need flavours and in the long run you will catch plenty without them but if you only fish short sessions flavours and bright baits will cause fish to drop down and feed that might have swum past. In the long run I would expect the fish to prefer the fishmeal bait and you can then drop the other bait.
In your situation your current bait is fine and once the carp wake up properly it will catch you plenty of fish in the long run.
But as you only fish shortish sessions a tactic I have personally used is that of using a secondary bait along side your main one. A very basic 50/50mix or a bird food mix with a a yellow or orange dye and reasonably high levels of a good flavour like tutti frutti. Feed 90% of your patsull Park mix and 10% of the secondary bait, but use hook baits from both on different rods, you might just be surprised at the results. The secondary bait could easily be a shelf life bait, I can recommend Nash tangerine dream or mistral rosehip isotonic I have used both with this tactic.
l know many say you don't need flavours and in the long run you will catch plenty without them but if you only fish short sessions flavours and bright baits will cause fish to drop down and feed that might have swum past. In the long run I would expect the fish to prefer the fishmeal bait and you can then drop the other bait.
In reply to Post #144
Just thought id share how i put together 1kg of patshull park:
825g patshull park basemix
297ml liquid egg
30ml liquid krill
After ive rolled the 5kg of basemix i ordered i want to give making my own basemix a go.
Anyone got any idea on how to put one together?
Just thought id share how i put together 1kg of patshull park:
825g patshull park basemix
297ml liquid egg
30ml liquid krill
After ive rolled the 5kg of basemix i ordered i want to give making my own basemix a go.
Anyone got any idea on how to put one together?
In reply to Post #145
Liver liquid ok in the winter?
would it benefit from some spices ?
are you still using it
Liver liquid ok in the winter?
would it benefit from some spices ?
are you still using it
In reply to Post #146
Liquid liver is fantastic, Use BAF's , spices are also great to use 👍🏻 A combination of spices works also upto around 30-50g / KG depending on what it is.
Garlic - 10g
Fenugreek - 10-15g
Paprika - up to 50g
Tumeric - 10g
Chilli - 30-50g
Black pepper - 10-20g
Spice blend ( BAF ) 30g
Liquid liver is fantastic, Use BAF's , spices are also great to use 👍🏻 A combination of spices works also upto around 30-50g / KG depending on what it is.
Garlic - 10g
Fenugreek - 10-15g
Paprika - up to 50g
Tumeric - 10g
Chilli - 30-50g
Black pepper - 10-20g
Spice blend ( BAF ) 30g
In reply to Post #147
You can use spice combo's MUCH higher than that....
You can use spice combo's MUCH higher than that....
In reply to Post #148
Never found more than 50g per kg anymore beneficial to my catches. But i agree you can 👍🏻
Never found more than 50g per kg anymore beneficial to my catches. But i agree you can 👍🏻
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