I'm having issues spooling up with some 12lb ESP Syncro
First tried the way shown on ESP's video (spool stood up in water line coming up from under the spool)but after 50ft or so, line twist was horrendous so swapped to the opposite way round (line coming over the spool) and the line twist was even worse.
Finished spooling the reel using the first method and the line just spools off on its own like a slinky!!
I'd soaked the line in warm water for just over an hour and run through a damp rag between butt eye and reel.
WTF am I doing wrong? Never had this issue before with Syncro or any other line?
First tried the way shown on ESP's video (spool stood up in water line coming up from under the spool)but after 50ft or so, line twist was horrendous so swapped to the opposite way round (line coming over the spool) and the line twist was even worse.
Finished spooling the reel using the first method and the line just spools off on its own like a slinky!!
I'd soaked the line in warm water for just over an hour and run through a damp rag between butt eye and reel.
WTF am I doing wrong? Never had this issue before with Syncro or any other line?
In reply to Post #1
spool up anyway you wish and then go to a field and walk your lines out, i must admit my 15 synchro was quite lively when I spooled up this time,waled my lines out and once used and it stops being shiny it's perfect
spool up anyway you wish and then go to a field and walk your lines out, i must admit my 15 synchro was quite lively when I spooled up this time,waled my lines out and once used and it stops being shiny it's perfect
I think something has changed on the syncro,I have used it for years.This last lot I have one my reels is ***** compared to previous times,spooled up as op describes.Its been on my reels months now and **** not like it was before and it does not seem anywhere near as abrasion resistant as before either
I had a fish out of sandhurst last week, it went over the back of the bar on its first run,it was stripping line off the reel, I played it in and the rod tip was grating as the fish was behind the bar. no way did I think I was going to land it but I did. the last 6ft of line was shredded and the fish put up a right scrap once from behind the bar...it certainly done me well last week. a decent fish too
Interesting stuff, just as I thought I'd found a line I like 
I spooled it as per their vid, no issues.
I spooled it as per their vid, no issues.
I might of got a bad spool,I will definitely be putting it on again just incase
In reply to Post #6
I first spooled up about 5 years ago with synchro and hated it, my mates loved it...I stripped it off as it was really lively.my mates convince me to have another go a few years ago and since then I loved it...I think it does need a few sessions to calm down on the spool
I first spooled up about 5 years ago with synchro and hated it, my mates loved it...I stripped it off as it was really lively.my mates convince me to have another go a few years ago and since then I loved it...I think it does need a few sessions to calm down on the spool
In reply to Post #1
I spooled my reels with it yesterday. Soaked it for a few hours first. Then mounted it on a home made rig ive made (uni strut and a 150mm m10 coach bolt, a drilled out sprung zebede, nuts and washers) spooled it up with the spool upright so it spins from behind as i reel it onto the reels. Went on lovely. No issues whatsoever.
Have never got this laying the spool down thing. Seems so unnatural to me, and i cant see how it doesnt put twist into the line. ive never had issues with the spool spinning as described above so no need to change it.
I spooled my reels with it yesterday. Soaked it for a few hours first. Then mounted it on a home made rig ive made (uni strut and a 150mm m10 coach bolt, a drilled out sprung zebede, nuts and washers) spooled it up with the spool upright so it spins from behind as i reel it onto the reels. Went on lovely. No issues whatsoever.
Have never got this laying the spool down thing. Seems so unnatural to me, and i cant see how it doesnt put twist into the line. ive never had issues with the spool spinning as described above so no need to change it.
So just had my 5 yr old lad running across a field for me (he needs the exercise after the amount of chocolate he's ate today!!) but it's still lively and springing off the spool
I'll give a few sessions and see if it settles down and look at something else if it doesn't
Thanks for all your suggestions and comments
I'll give a few sessions and see if it settles down and look at something else if it doesn't
Thanks for all your suggestions and comments
In reply to Post #9
Put some water on it a few minutes before you do anything with it. Behaves totally differently after a few minutes of soaking in a bit of water
Put some water on it a few minutes before you do anything with it. Behaves totally differently after a few minutes of soaking in a bit of water
Just to add to this thread
Emailed ESP support to ask the same question, they could only suggest adding more tension to the line when spooling up.
They also offered to send me a new spool of line so top marks for service to them!!
Emailed ESP support to ask the same question, they could only suggest adding more tension to the line when spooling up.
They also offered to send me a new spool of line so top marks for service to them!!
In reply to Post #11
So just had my 5 yr old lad running across a field for me (he needs the exercise after the amount of chocolate he's ate today!!)
They also offered to send me a new spool of line so top marks for service to them!!
Can't argue with that
So just had my 5 yr old lad running across a field for me (he needs the exercise after the amount of chocolate he's ate today!!)
They also offered to send me a new spool of line so top marks for service to them!!
Can't argue with that
I've just had the same issue with the 15lb, it went on nice but was coiling everywhere and even difficult to catch the line when casting.
I was in France for the week so put some Gardner flouro+ on it which helped at the time, but think I'm going back to Exocet pro..
I was in France for the week so put some Gardner flouro+ on it which helped at the time, but think I'm going back to Exocet pro..
In reply to Post #13
Something has definitely changed with the 15lb syncro,that's how mine is behaving.I have not overfilled my spools either
Something has definitely changed with the 15lb syncro,that's how mine is behaving.I have not overfilled my spools either
I spooled up with 15lb Synchro XT last year - thought it was horrible springy stuff with terrible memory. If I hadn't have known what it was I'd have guessed it was old/cheapo stuff.
It's currently still on the spools (was hoping it would settle in somewhat) but it hasn't improved when 'dry' despite stretching, walking out and retrieving under no tension, etc. However once the rods have been out for an hour or so the line seems to totally change, with water on board it's limp, supple and the memory is greatly reduced. Sadly it seems to revert to being horrible when it dries.
It's currently still on the spools (was hoping it would settle in somewhat) but it hasn't improved when 'dry' despite stretching, walking out and retrieving under no tension, etc. However once the rods have been out for an hour or so the line seems to totally change, with water on board it's limp, supple and the memory is greatly reduced. Sadly it seems to revert to being horrible when it dries.
I used the mike holly tip and founds it works great with synchro
Put some wet (wrist) sweat bands on the spools for at least an hour on the way to the lake to help with the “wetting ageing” part.
Put some wet (wrist) sweat bands on the spools for at least an hour on the way to the lake to help with the “wetting ageing” part.
I've always soaked my syncro in water for a good while. And it's gone on like a dream. I respooled recently and it was the same.
In reply to Post #1
Would not recommend doing this, but today I realised my 18lb syncro has been on my spools for three years
It's bullet proof. My favourite line out there alongside XLine (two years on the spools) and PowerPro Braid (three years).
Would not recommend doing this, but today I realised my 18lb syncro has been on my spools for three years
It's bullet proof. My favourite line out there alongside XLine (two years on the spools) and PowerPro Braid (three years).
In reply to Post #14
I hope not. Ive just stripped katran eclipse off my spools, used for one session, as it was doing what youre describing. Went back to syncro as its always served me well
I hope not. Ive just stripped katran eclipse off my spools, used for one session, as it was doing what youre describing. Went back to syncro as its always served me well
In reply to Post #1
I've had the same issue with 18lb as well.
I've had the same issue with 18lb as well.
In reply to Post #11
You may well receive another spool with all the inbuilt problems of the original spool. A few years ago, I filled three reels with Synchro Loaded. What an absolute nightmare ! Straight away I knew that all three reels were gonna be unusable and had to strip and bin the lot. I've also had similar issues with the XT. I don't think that it's the line as such, but the difference in design of the donor spool compared to a 6000 or 8000 style of spool onto which it is being wound. I now stick to using the traditional 4 oz bulk spools which are similar in shape to an actual reel spool. The brand could be Daiwa, Berkley or whatever as long as it doesn't come supplied on a wagon wheel ! I have the line coming off the bulk spool in an anticlockwise direction ( as if viewed from the reel ) and find line twist is virtually non existent. I consider it the same as transferring line from one reel to another. Done it countless times and never introduced twist .Try it and see if this works for you. If it doesn't at least you'll have had a lovely 1000m grassy walk 😂
You may well receive another spool with all the inbuilt problems of the original spool. A few years ago, I filled three reels with Synchro Loaded. What an absolute nightmare ! Straight away I knew that all three reels were gonna be unusable and had to strip and bin the lot. I've also had similar issues with the XT. I don't think that it's the line as such, but the difference in design of the donor spool compared to a 6000 or 8000 style of spool onto which it is being wound. I now stick to using the traditional 4 oz bulk spools which are similar in shape to an actual reel spool. The brand could be Daiwa, Berkley or whatever as long as it doesn't come supplied on a wagon wheel ! I have the line coming off the bulk spool in an anticlockwise direction ( as if viewed from the reel ) and find line twist is virtually non existent. I consider it the same as transferring line from one reel to another. Done it countless times and never introduced twist .Try it and see if this works for you. If it doesn't at least you'll have had a lovely 1000m grassy walk 😂
In reply to Post #21
I might give that a try. I've just spooled up my spare spools with some Thinking Anglers OGX in 15lb (comes on a more trad spool) and it went on perfect. Not a hint of twist.
I might give that a try. I've just spooled up my spare spools with some Thinking Anglers OGX in 15lb (comes on a more trad spool) and it went on perfect. Not a hint of twist.
While we're talking about spools, can we petition the tackle manufacturers to stop churning out spools that have a little V shaped cut-out in the lip of the spool, meaning that as you try and reel it on and the line capacity reduces, it catches the cut.
This sort of thing:-
This sort of thing:-
In reply to Post #22
I went from Syncro to OGX in the 15 also.
Great line. Bear in mind it is slightly thinner.
I went from Syncro to OGX in the 15 also.
Great line. Bear in mind it is slightly thinner.
In reply to Post #14
Mine too. Put it on 3 reels last year exactly as per the ESP video, line was pre-soaked and it's absolute garbage. Horribly twisted and nothing solved it. Pulled it all off over winter and will be replacing it with something else.
Mine too. Put it on 3 reels last year exactly as per the ESP video, line was pre-soaked and it's absolute garbage. Horribly twisted and nothing solved it. Pulled it all off over winter and will be replacing it with something else.
I've always spooled lines using the pencil method, after soaking overnight. Never had a problem doing it this way. I now use a line spooler which has a suction pad at the base and a tensioner on the spool. It does the same job, but allows 1 person to do it. Monofilament soaked overnight goes on like cotton thread. Load it under tension through a damp cloth, under an even tension. Don't overfill the spool, and wet the line with a test cast or two, away from your baited spot, before you try to cast to your chosen spot.Bone dry line will act up no matter which line you use, or how it was put on.
In reply to Post #26
Where did you get your line spooler from?
Where did you get your line spooler from?
In reply to Post #27
This is the one I use, Daiwa Line spooler
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This is the one I use, Daiwa Line spooler
LINKY POO™ https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/277013767366?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338268676&toolid=10044&ff=11&customid=7011118d-9bdf-40b1-ae55-653e18bab963
In reply to Post #27
Sorry, I csnt remember, probably off ebay. It's not the same as the one in post 28, but similar and works in the same way.
Sorry, I csnt remember, probably off ebay. It's not the same as the one in post 28, but similar and works in the same way.
Thought it was just me but reading this looks like other people having the same problems too ! I've used syncro for a while and never had issues with it. Re spooled about a month back and the line just will not settle on my reels. Soon as there is no tension on the line it just jumps off the spool. I'm considering taking a good bit off and see what it's like then because it's good line. Anybody got any other recommendations for line that's tough enough to fish around weed but will cast 100 yards ? Thinking I might try touchdown again if this doesn't settle down.
Could this be the problem? after reading the thread I remember seeing esp say this on Instagram a while back.
In reply to Post #31
Lets hope not cause the loaded behaved terribly compared to the xt
Lets hope not cause the loaded behaved terribly compared to the xt
In reply to Post #31
This explains why it is **** now then,mine has now decided it wants to sink really slowly and I got cut off in weed the other day.It has never ever suffered them faults before,why change something that's perfectly fine.Im going to give korda touchdown a try
This explains why it is **** now then,mine has now decided it wants to sink really slowly and I got cut off in weed the other day.It has never ever suffered them faults before,why change something that's perfectly fine.Im going to give korda touchdown a try
In reply to Post #33
Ive used 18lb gardner gthd found it great has all the properties of the original syncro.
Ive used 18lb gardner gthd found it great has all the properties of the original syncro.
In reply to Post #34
Might be worth a look at then,cheers
Might be worth a look at then,cheers
I think I'll go back to the relaunched shimano technium black.
Well, I've been a great fan of the xt for years now, used nothing else, how utterly ridiculous if they've now changed it...for the worse.
Think I'll keep last year's line on for a while, it's all good, I'm only a part time carper these days.
Think I'll keep last year's line on for a while, it's all good, I'm only a part time carper these days.
In reply to Post #26
I've spooled hundreds of reels and never had the line twisted so badly as with the Syncro last year. Nothing to do with the method (which was exactly as ESP say to do it in their video). There obviously an issue with it, or at least some batches, as I'm not the only one.
I've spooled hundreds of reels and never had the line twisted so badly as with the Syncro last year. Nothing to do with the method (which was exactly as ESP say to do it in their video). There obviously an issue with it, or at least some batches, as I'm not the only one.
In reply to Post #27
I now use a 4 pint milk carton with a bolt through it
Cut the top of the carton so you can get the spool in easy
Then fill it with water .
Stops the over run on the spool as well as keeping it wet when loading
My “proper” spool loader is now hanging up in the shed
I now use a 4 pint milk carton with a bolt through it
Cut the top of the carton so you can get the spool in easy
Then fill it with water .
Stops the over run on the spool as well as keeping it wet when loading
My “proper” spool loader is now hanging up in the shed
In reply to Post #28
Would this work with the newer spools? Not sure why they all went down the wagon wheel route tbf
Would this work with the newer spools? Not sure why they all went down the wagon wheel route tbf
In reply to Post #28
Would this work with the newer spools? Not sure why they all went down the wagon wheel route tbf
Would this work with the newer spools? Not sure why they all went down the wagon wheel route tbf
In reply to Post #41
Im fishing as we speak, and cant say im noticing the syncro is any different to previous batches ive had its definitely nothing like the loaded
Im fishing as we speak, and cant say im noticing the syncro is any different to previous batches ive had its definitely nothing like the loaded
In reply to Post #41
Im fishing as we speak, and cant say im noticing the syncro is any different to previous batches ive had its definitely nothing like the loaded
Im fishing as we speak, and cant say im noticing the syncro is any different to previous batches ive had its definitely nothing like the loaded
In reply to Post #43
Just received my free spool from ESP so will soak it for a day or so then try loading up and see how it goes
Just received my free spool from ESP so will soak it for a day or so then try loading up and see how it goes
Well i contacted ESP about some tubing I had issues with,I mentioned about the line not being the same.I have just received a parcel from them,two packs of tubing and a spool of 15lb syncro.Excellent customer service from them
In reply to Post #45
Is that acceptance that a bad batch is out there then maybe?
Is that acceptance that a bad batch is out there then maybe?
In reply to Post #46
I will be stripping and replacing next week,will see if this goes on better
I will be stripping and replacing next week,will see if this goes on better
In reply to Post #47
Try it with the pen method of doing it. Its how mine went on and it was good as gold first use
Try it with the pen method of doing it. Its how mine went on and it was good as gold first use
In reply to Post #48
I did mine with a korda spooling bucket, it went on lovely but was just far too lively. It's in the bin now!
I did mine with a korda spooling bucket, it went on lovely but was just far too lively. It's in the bin now!
Can't be arsed reading the thread but I won't use syncro in any of its guises again, just horrible stuff
In reply to Post #44
Well my freebie spool wasn't any different , swapped to the pen method on the 2nd spool to see if that made a difference and it was still very lively, even after soaking for 24hrs and running through a wet rag with different tension applied.
I've put it on a smaller empty spool to see if that makes a difference, will try on some spare spools in a week or so but for now I've loaded the other up with the OGX 12lb which went on like a dream.
Well my freebie spool wasn't any different , swapped to the pen method on the 2nd spool to see if that made a difference and it was still very lively, even after soaking for 24hrs and running through a wet rag with different tension applied.
I've put it on a smaller empty spool to see if that makes a difference, will try on some spare spools in a week or so but for now I've loaded the other up with the OGX 12lb which went on like a dream.
I made the mistake of spooling up with some syncro loaded earlier this year. It was the worse line I've ever used & I tried everything I could think of to try & cure the twist/coiling.
After cracking off & losing my spin doctor, I decided to go back to the Subline.
After cracking off & losing my spin doctor, I decided to go back to the Subline.
Loaded has always been bad, I've used xt for years and it's always been fine? Sure you can get Coils when it's dry like any other mono (I'm sure some ppl mistake coils for twist)
In reply to Post #53
You're not wrong it was terrible even when wet.
It was recommended by a tackle shop, he'd obviously seen me coming & an opportunity to get rid of some old stock.
You're not wrong it was terrible even when wet.
It was recommended by a tackle shop, he'd obviously seen me coming & an opportunity to get rid of some old stock.
Well I've just put the new line on,it's gone on absolutely perfect.Just like it used to so fingers crossed it behaves the same once on the bank
Just to give an update,the latest spool of syncro is utter ****.It is coming off and going in the bin,it's coiling up horrendously and no matter how much you stretch it out it comes back
In reply to Post #56
Often it's user error.
Wind on 25-30 yds, let line go slack. If it behaves then carry on.
If it coils then turn the bulk spool around and it will make it behave.
It's no good copying and trusting some method used online as you need to adapt to what's happening in front of you.
Often it's user error.
Wind on 25-30 yds, let line go slack. If it behaves then carry on.
If it coils then turn the bulk spool around and it will make it behave.
It's no good copying and trusting some method used online as you need to adapt to what's happening in front of you.
In reply to Post #57
Been using this line for years and it is definitely not the same line.I know how spool up and this is not user error
Been using this line for years and it is definitely not the same line.I know how spool up and this is not user error
Could never understand the hype around Synchro. I spooled up with it a few years ago, used for a day then vowed never again.
I wish Berkley hadn't discontinued CM90.
I wish Berkley hadn't discontinued CM90.
In reply to Post #59
The 18lb Synchro was ok, but agree on the lower BS, too stretchy, even for a mono.
The .38 15lb CM90 was probably the best mono I've used. Behaved really well, low stretch, sank well and tough as boots, just a bit of a shame it glowed like a green laser in the wrong conditions!
The 18lb Synchro was ok, but agree on the lower BS, too stretchy, even for a mono.
The .38 15lb CM90 was probably the best mono I've used. Behaved really well, low stretch, sank well and tough as boots, just a bit of a shame it glowed like a green laser in the wrong conditions!
In reply to Post #56
I know you have binned it now when i used syncro i got on better with it spooling it with the line coming off the spool face up/ anticlockwise rather than spool rotating as esp recommend. Maybe as you think the line has changed?
A few years ago i switched to ogx in 18 i know this is a line you didn't get on with again spooled up with line coming off anticlockwise found it an excellent line using on my old 10000xt techs
I know you have binned it now when i used syncro i got on better with it spooling it with the line coming off the spool face up/ anticlockwise rather than spool rotating as esp recommend. Maybe as you think the line has changed?
A few years ago i switched to ogx in 18 i know this is a line you didn't get on with again spooled up with line coming off anticlockwise found it an excellent line using on my old 10000xt techs
In reply to Post #61
Its either the ogx as i think I over spooled it,touchdown or gardner gt HD im going try next
Its either the ogx as i think I over spooled it,touchdown or gardner gt HD im going try next
In reply to Post #62
I tried Ogx and found it awful. Frayed really bad around weed beds
I tried Ogx and found it awful. Frayed really bad around weed beds
In reply to Post #63
I also found ogx to be terrible, constantly twisted, fraying on the lightest things and found it didn't cast brilliant either. Went back to synchro and that faced some line twist so now using gthd and not had a problem with it yet
I also found ogx to be terrible, constantly twisted, fraying on the lightest things and found it didn't cast brilliant either. Went back to synchro and that faced some line twist so now using gthd and not had a problem with it yet
In reply to Post #63
I also found ogx to be terrible, constantly twisted, fraying on the lightest things and found it didn't cast brilliant either. Went back to synchro and that faced some line twist so now using gthd and not had a problem with it yet
I also found ogx to be terrible, constantly twisted, fraying on the lightest things and found it didn't cast brilliant either. Went back to synchro and that faced some line twist so now using gthd and not had a problem with it yet
In reply to Post #62
GTHD next here aswell.
GTHD next here aswell.
Just looked at gt HD on the gardner website, it gives some spooling info...
*We recommend spooling up GT-Hd with the label facing upwards (line coming off anti-clockwise) and periodically checking for line twist for the best possible results.
So if the recommendation is as above, then why do you have to periodically check for twists!
Anyone who sticks a spool in a bucket and takes the line off as per instructions and doesn't check for twist would be a fool really, but it's clear that to follow some YouTube or manufacturers instructions really isn't any sort of guarantee of well behaved line spooling.
The video from esp showing how to spool synchro...
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They have the spool upright, and the label to the left, with the line coming off the bottom towards you.
It's very easy to get any one of these wrong as it isn't clearly mentioned in the video!!!
This is why the angler must do their own checks and not blindly follow some advice as there could be too many variables.
*We recommend spooling up GT-Hd with the label facing upwards (line coming off anti-clockwise) and periodically checking for line twist for the best possible results.
So if the recommendation is as above, then why do you have to periodically check for twists!
Anyone who sticks a spool in a bucket and takes the line off as per instructions and doesn't check for twist would be a fool really, but it's clear that to follow some YouTube or manufacturers instructions really isn't any sort of guarantee of well behaved line spooling.
The video from esp showing how to spool synchro...
LINKY POO™ https://youtu.be/-VNsod8PNgM?si=8MB35tGnaMpKPdko
They have the spool upright, and the label to the left, with the line coming off the bottom towards you.
It's very easy to get any one of these wrong as it isn't clearly mentioned in the video!!!
This is why the angler must do their own checks and not blindly follow some advice as there could be too many variables.
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