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The stupid carper (77 posts / 7,797 views)
Teddybare
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Post #1 21 Dec 2023 22:32
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Every now and then I look at the Johnson Ross new product tab, today takes the biscuit. Buzzbox coffee bags, (camo packaging of course) 10 coffee bags £6.50 from an unknown brand inclusive of carp tax.

Taylors of Harrogate in Asda (respected brand, sadly no camo) £2.75 for 10.

I like JR bought a lot off them but come on, show some self respect have a bit of decency, just another greedy ******* fleecing the punter? I know its peronal choice bla bla.

There really must be one born every minute.
Tinhead Tinhead
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Post #2 21 Dec 2023 23:34
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Agreed.
Out of interest anyone going to buy these?
Teddybare
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Post #3 22 Dec 2023 00:57
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Cant see anyone outing themselves as a complete idiot.

Then again
scozza
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Post #4 22 Dec 2023 06:15
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I wouldn't worry about JR, they are there to make a living, It's more laughable thinking about the people that buy them, but each to their own of course

Pastime has changed dramatically, no longer about the fish for a lot of people, that's just a byproduct of being sat there, it's all about having the right gear and image and people will pay ridiculous amounts to “be there”
Chuffy Chuffy
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Post #5 22 Dec 2023 07:40
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Looking at the new products tab I'm more concerned that Daiwa have released a rod that the RRP is over £800, how muuuuuuch?!
chrispfox chrispfox
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Post #6 22 Dec 2023 07:42
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That was exactly my thought!
The_Saint The_Saint
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Post #7 22 Dec 2023 09:19
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Wolfe carp fishing coffee, what a joke. Just trying to mug the anglers off with stuff they don't need. Taylor of Harrogate less than half this cost

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353984744998?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=sfq5H4eoRdq&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=pvixF4cxRMy&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Beyonce
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Post #8 22 Dec 2023 09:42
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Only takes a quick look at the threads on here to see where' fishing' is for many people. The main concern seems to be whether or not a phone or laptop can be charged 10 times.

Next up is buying a barrow that walks ten ton of camping equipment to a lake on it's own.

Then, which is the best toy boat? Why take the time and pleasure to learn to how to do it all properly? That would waste valuable screen time.

I can't comprehend a time when I might use a whole battery charge on my phone or want to look at a laptop while fishing. The point for me is to get away from all that rubbish.

But, each to their own I guess. They are lining plenty of pockets.

People moan all the lakes are packed, then most of the people taking up the swims spend the whole time looking at a screen.

framey framey
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Post #9 22 Dec 2023 09:51
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instant coffee is about half that price as well for about 50 cups
Why get “mugged” of for 10 cups..


scozza
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Post #10 22 Dec 2023 10:36
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The point for me is to get away from all that rubbish

Similar to me. Makes we wonder what some people get out of it other than debt too, but each to their own, there's a marketplace, they test it and get away with it sadly, but that's peoples choices, not mine

Anybody for camo coffee
RKB
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Post #11 22 Dec 2023 10:41
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I thought this was gonna be biographical.
OatcakeFred OatcakeFred
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Post #12 22 Dec 2023 11:38
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I thought it was about me.......
mark1009
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Post #13 22 Dec 2023 14:17
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Gyms are the same, every time i go past the gym all i see is people looking at phones, not using the equipment.
Teddybare
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Post #14 22 Dec 2023 15:36
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🤣👍
RKB
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Post #15 22 Dec 2023 15:37
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Beyonce
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Post #16 22 Dec 2023 15:49
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Does my head in. 5 mins between sets sat on the phone hogging the benches. Or even worse setting up a camera to record then watching it back

Social media is f***ing up the world.
nicksmith1 nicksmith1
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Post #17 22 Dec 2023 22:30
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By far the best post I have read on this forum for a long time.
CTblahblah CTblahblah
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Post #18 23 Dec 2023 13:21
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I record sets of a certain exercise then watch it back, I do this as I find it really useful for trying to improve my form and make sure I'm doing something good for my back instead of bad. Once I've watched the video I delete it.

And if you want to say can't you tell from feeling it? Well kind of, but not properly as its new to me so the video feedback is exceptionally useful. Once I'm confident I'm constantly nailing the form I won't need to record it.

Luckily I don't go to a gym where people are filming everything but there is a place in exercise for video feedback on technique, look at climbing, swimming, tennis etc. Not everyone's filming themselves to check out their physique and post it on instagram.

Chuffy Chuffy
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Post #19 23 Dec 2023 14:38
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Well, you could look at it another way....

Nowadays with all the working from home shenanigans some people now work on the bank with their laptops.......

If you listen to the radio or podcasts via an app that tanks the phone battery as well, you don't necessarily need to be on Netflix to flatten the battery......

Toy boats they may be but that didn't stop TH using one to catch the Parrot or SL to catch the Burghfield Common, just saying........

Oh and let us know what you think about Power Barrows when you're a bit older and your backs completely ****ed
Tinhead Tinhead
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Post #20 23 Dec 2023 20:43
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If people didn't take so many gadgets, toys and other paraphernalia then perhaps they could make do with a modest push along barrow?
Leeroyjenkins Leeroyjenkins
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Post #21 23 Dec 2023 23:35
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It's a hobby. Just let people have fun.
Clobersauraus Clobersauraus
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Post #22 24 Dec 2023 07:26
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Al long as someone's actions doesn't have a negative affect on mine or other anglers enjoyment of the fishing, then let them get on with it...

I as many do have a stressful job with me phone and emails coming through all day none stop.... Fishing for me its as much trying to catch the odd one as it is being in a nice relaxing environment away from the world for a few days in my own little bubble.....
frothey frothey
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Post #23 24 Dec 2023 07:34
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I remember the days when you'd get all the stuff for a few days fishing on your back.

And much prefer the (motorised) barrow that I use now. Even when not carrying much on a day session. My back loves me for it too,

There's a bit of snobbery around motorised barrows, yet you don't see it in (for example) golf, where a golf bag is waaaaaaaaaaaaay lighter than what we take. And most of the people are just s fat!
MrFrosty
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Post #24 24 Dec 2023 08:33
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I'd say it's more the instant carpers that have popped up in the last 4/5 years that are the stupid ones. Look at the prices they're paying for clothing from brands like omc, just because they're sheep to Ali Hamidi.
carpe_diem carpe_diem
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Post #25 24 Dec 2023 10:27
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It's ridiculous but some idiots will buy them.

It's like Costa coffee I wouldn't pay £3 to £4 for a brew when I can get a decent coffee from McDonald's for a quid or about £1.60 for a latte, each to their own I guess
scozza
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Post #26 24 Dec 2023 13:19
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That's the problem, people setting the bench mark
Teddybare
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Post #27 24 Dec 2023 19:53
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So what happened to the cost of living crisis?
frothey frothey
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Post #28 24 Dec 2023 20:44
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They just make sure they pay no more than £3 a kilo for bait
Teddybare
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Post #29 24 Dec 2023 22:37
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Youd only just scrape that in Decathlon these days.
frothey frothey
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Post #30 25 Dec 2023 06:34
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They have a bargain bucket every now and then. You have to beat the engineering companies to them as Marco's specials are revered as ball bearing replacements.
SUNNYMEAD SUNNYMEAD
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Post #31 25 Dec 2023 20:32
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There isn't one it's all media hype
Coffee shops are busy,nail bars,pubs,restaurants etc
I work for a well known paint retailer ( not b&q)and my local store turned over £70000 just on
wallpaper this year and hundreds of thousands on paint and that's just one of our stores
Cost of living my arse
Leeroyjenkins Leeroyjenkins
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Post #32 25 Dec 2023 20:51
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This proves nothing lol. Absolute idiotic tunnel vision. Loads of industries are thriving, where people are cutting back in more extravagant ways to spend money, and then for instance, spending more money on DIY.

This is like a pub claiming there's no crisis as they have more customers than ever.....when their used to be 5 other pubs in the local area that have closed.

It's the people right at the bottom of the chain who are hit the hardest. Those vulnerable people the daily mail are telling you are the problem.
Teddybare
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Post #33 25 Dec 2023 21:59
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What do you call extravagant?

Crying shame about the pubs going.
JackWhitstable JackWhitstable
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Post #34 25 Dec 2023 22:27
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Spot on Leeroy, especially the Daily (hate) Mail point...
AideyKaye
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Post #35 26 Dec 2023 04:44
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How many people have credit cards and are willing to chuck hundreds on a card just to change the look of their living room? Plenty. Just like many are willing to spent ten times that to have "73" on their number plate. Human beings are shallow, and many would rather pay money for an image than substance.

Coffee shops, Nail Bars, Pubs & Restaurants are busy due to our addiction to substances, our addiction to our image, our addiction to fast food, and this countries inability to stop money laundering (but that's a different story).

People pay 800 quid on Barrows because we've had 20 years of everything being made easier for us, and if people are spunking 400 notes per month on an Audi they'll never own, they won't batter an eyelid on a 800 quid gadget. The days of cheque spreads are long gone now, and it's far easier to stick tackle on a Klarna or a Pay in Three.

The tackle shops and tackle "developers" that adapted to the 2023 mindset of sell, sell, sell and embraced modern tech will survive long into the future as long as they tap into the thought process of modern society. Angling Direct and others with modern and functional EPOS and Ecommerce has absolutely rinsed the market, whilst other shops who relied on print media died along with the 95% of magazines. I still need to pick up some of the train spotting magazines in WHSmith and find out how the hell they can survive, yet the print media promoting 400 quid rods cannot.
MrFrosty
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Post #36 26 Dec 2023 18:39
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What cost of living crisis?
Leeroyjenkins Leeroyjenkins
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Post #37 26 Dec 2023 19:21
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Don't you be a f***wit as well.
Teddybare
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Post #38 26 Dec 2023 22:34
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Still waiting for your proof of this cost of living crisis. What are these extravagances you speak of.
Leeroyjenkins Leeroyjenkins
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Post #39 27 Dec 2023 05:22
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I honestly didn't think I had to explain it..

In the last year my mortgage went up over 50%, all my household bills have gone up, diesel has settled at constantly over £1.50 a litre. And the job I was in last year, we were very lucky to receive a 2.5% pay rise.

The cost of living, the things you need to buy to live, has gone up astronomically., but wages haven't.

Of course lots of people have cut back on extravagant spending, holidays, eating out. Jist because you or your family has t had to, doesn't mean it isn't effecting others.

Have your bills not gone up?
Leeroyjenkins Leeroyjenkins
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Post #40 27 Dec 2023 05:25
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I don't know why I bothered replying. It feels like I'm arguing with flat earthers.
RKB
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Post #41 27 Dec 2023 10:41
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You are, pretty much. Energy better expended elsewhere.
CTblahblah CTblahblah
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Post #42 27 Dec 2023 11:14
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Just checking you know that turnover does not mean profit?
Teddybare
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Post #43 27 Dec 2023 11:33
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Yes my bills have gone up, food, lecky and gas.

What's your definition of lots? The holiday business certainly isn't in crisis?
Eating out, probably down but i bet the takeaway sector is healthy, nothing in crisis around here on both counts.
I dont even think the things you mention would be classed as extravagant in this day and age, a brand new A Class Merc on tick as a first car, thats extravagant.

Now heres what does stand out on this thread, its the Left leaning that buy into this crisis ********, is it because you're easily lead? Belive what you read in the Guardian and the Mirror ? You clearly hate Daily Mail reader's.

There is no benefit to a government or businesses to have you believe theres a crisis, its the circle of life, everyone has ups and downs just as mortgage rates have, did you post on here about how good the government was and how great life was when interest rates were at there lowest in generations? Of course you didnt.


You still have not posted any proof of a widespread cost of living crises, links to record repossessions maybe? Multiple brands and chains going under? The building industry on its knees? A housing crash ? Are Netflix, Amazon and Sky (all extravagant spends) in crisis?
Are all the Gyms shutting their doors?

Diesel round here, £1.44.7 has been for quite a while.

PS, you're opening line, i didnt ask you to explain it i asked you to prove it, there's a difference.
Dippedtips
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Post #44 27 Dec 2023 11:45
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You lot all arguing over bill **** ffs it's Christmas enjoy time with your family's or friends even better get ya bloody rods out an enjoy life 🤦🏻‍♂️
Leeroyjenkins Leeroyjenkins
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Post #45 27 Dec 2023 12:48
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What In gods name are you talking about?


My bills have gone up massively. My wages did not go up to suit. The same has happened to loads of people. How on earth can you dispute that
Teddybare
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Post #46 27 Dec 2023 12:50
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I didn't dispute that but that has not created a cost of living crisis.
Leeroyjenkins Leeroyjenkins
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Post #47 27 Dec 2023 12:52
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OK buddy. Enjoy your day.
Teddybare
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Post #48 27 Dec 2023 12:53
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You too Leeroy 👍
55s 55s
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Post #49 27 Dec 2023 13:28
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Yes of course there is a massive cost of living crisis and how anyone can argue differently is bonkers.
The problem we have (and don't know if it's UK specific) but inflation kills us, everyone ups prices to try and stay afloat - then we need pay to rise and the whole circle is counter productive. But just to get somethings off my chest and not a dig at anyone;

I believe fishing tackle increases are in part down to resale and second hand markets in general. In my day (old school) the only way you could sell was a card in a post office window or the anglers mail classified. I would think that meant that the fishing companies of the day sold loads as the ease of eBay, marketplace etc. weren't there so everyone in my day had a happy hooker sling that was purchased off the shelf.

Instant carpers have meant the need for more online retailers and the ease of price comparisons, so nobody with half a brain cell should moan about carp tax or rebranded tat. You can find out all you need in three clicks, then Make your choice.

You also have huge alternatives so can shop to budget very easily. You may not have the brand name you want, but aside from some essentials that won't inhibit you catching.

Motorised barrows aren't contentious in my opinion. They help me fish better and it is definitely the best purchase I have made in many a year. I mainly fish days, refine down my gear but with water, mat and chair there is no way I could do what I did 40 years ago. They are not bait boats or baiting poles, they make the doable tenacious attitude easier, now if you could sat nav them and self drive maybe!

Lastly - try wherever possible to support the shops, they are the lifeblood of angling, the place where advice is not just free but given to dads and lads with encouragement and local know how.

Instant carpers aren't the issue, it's just that they haven't been given the opportunities we/I had, I can tell you now, you go into any decent tackle shop and they shouldn't be selling bags of round balls, but maggots, floats and hooks to nylon to ensure the magic happens quickly - not the dull boredom of sitting behind rods.

My personal cost of living crisis is about the kids at uni - petrol to far away lakes and syndicate fees that I now think harder about.

If something looks a rip off - it won't last - I promise, the world is too smaller place now for people to rebadge, coffee, candles and the like. It's either short term or people see the value.

Apologies for the long rant, but sat here behind 3 baits placed out by satellite navigation, hands free, in my eco heat retaining bivvy, whilst watching some of the globes finest porn, reminds me why I enjoy our outdoor pursuit. Ive gotta go as just rehooking a 40 (absolutely gutted as I paid for 50s) and trying to get a magic twig to release as gonna get some pukka underwater shots. I'm not sponsored but I do get my bait for £2 a ton and have a really fancy hat...
Teddybare
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Post #50 27 Dec 2023 13:38
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Not just inflation, theres rampant profiteering going on in all industries, it's not illegal though.
JasonM JasonM
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Post #51 27 Dec 2023 14:46
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I would say, while costs have gone up we're still managing to get by, the tougher times for many will come next year, how bad who knows..

If you look at all house purchases this year a third were cash buyers, in London 75% houses sold were to cash buyers so there is still a lot of cash about it's just whether those folk will stop spending next year which will affect the economy more.
RKB
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Post #52 27 Dec 2023 15:09
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If 75% of London property sales this year were paid in cash, then it wasn't British people buying it. The cost of living crisis is a little closer to home than Russian and Chinese oligarchs monopolising the bricks and mortar in one of the most expensive cities on the planet.

Mind The Gap.
Teddybare
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Post #53 27 Dec 2023 15:33
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The Russian and Chinese money pulled out a few years back now.
framey framey
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Post #54 27 Dec 2023 15:37
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The old chestnut

Turnover is vanity profit is sanity

I'm all for anyone using any piece of kit that morally is right if it enables people to carry on with their fishing.

ip100 ip100
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Post #55 27 Dec 2023 15:46
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Not true. I've spent a big chunk of the last 3 years working on Chinese and russian owned property around London. All newly bought,
JasonM JasonM
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Post #56 27 Dec 2023 15:50
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Yep not all, the number of limited companies formed in the last few years to purchase property has doubled, a good number of them UK landlords.
Teddybare
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Post #57 27 Dec 2023 16:16
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Thats not the sort of Russian and Chinese property i was talking about.

No offence mate but what you're referring to is very very small beans, your not true comment is incorrect because you dont know to what i was referring.
ip100 ip100
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Post #58 27 Dec 2023 16:20
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Enlighten me then, what is it you are talking about?
Teddybare
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Post #59 27 Dec 2023 16:29
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Im talking about Russians and Chinese buying off plan on building projects in London.

Multi multi million pound projects built by the top developers in London, Berkeley Homes, Galliards etc etc.
The properties were bought prior to being built and sold just prior to topping out.
Starting point on one project i was on was 400k on the ground floor top floor apartments (32 floors in all) went for millions, probably half a billion over all.
They never lived in them, they never chose a fixture or fitting, churned their iffy money and made 10%.

They haven't been around for a couple of years now. Lot of Asian and Yank money now.

There are some huge apartment projects coming out the ground in London right now.

It does make me laugh when Lefty's like RKB post the crap they read in the Mirror etc when in reality they are clueless. Hes already had 2 ❤️ from the fellow clueless, suits their narrative though doesn't it.
Leeroyjenkins Leeroyjenkins
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Post #60 27 Dec 2023 16:39
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"It's not foreign money buying the properties, it's actually all being bought by foreign money"
Teddybare
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Post #61 27 Dec 2023 16:40
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What do you mean?
scozza
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Post #62 27 Dec 2023 16:42
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All from a cup of coffee
ip100 ip100
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Post #63 27 Dec 2023 16:43
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It's still around chap, I've spent the last 20 years working on those type of projects aswell as single propertiesand I know full well a portion of them are still on russian money. It's not just the mansions they are still buying!
RKB
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Post #64 27 Dec 2023 16:44
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You can tell when the second crate of stella has been cracked open as the lefty and the Daily Mirror "insults" start leaking out onto the screen.
Teddybare
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Post #65 27 Dec 2023 16:48
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Stella? A true Lefty dragging everyone to his level🤣🤣

Treat yourself Ryan, have a nice bottle of Right Wing Red with tonights dinner.🤣👍

Go mad and buy some camo coffee bags👌
AideyKaye
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Post #66 27 Dec 2023 17:40
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The Russians and Chinese are still here, they just needed to adapt. We may have got rid of the 'Gold Plated' Tier 1 investor visas, but they just come in on working visas and their kids are here on 'Global talent' visas as Daddy paid for them to go to elite Universities. The Indians are streaming in by the tens of thousands on 'skilled worker' visas to look after our elderley yet cannot care for them properly because they aren't required to speak English or have any experience.

This countries attitude to the labour market and investment is a sick form of self harm.
Teddybare
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Post #67 27 Dec 2023 17:45
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Its the same in France and Germany.
AideyKaye
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Post #68 27 Dec 2023 17:55
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Was chatting with an Afghan yesterday. He travelled all the way to Germany and he said the German Gov was actively encouraging any new arrivals to travel onwards to France, Switzerland and the UK by buying them train tickets out of Germany to anywhere in the Schengen that they wanted to go to. Albanians have been doing the same for the last ten years but by operating OCG's moving both their countrymen and others fleeing war or seeking work. Now its the Indians and Iranians, and South Americans with money who cannot be bothered to walk through Mexico to the US.

But thats a whole different topic for another day
Teddybare
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Post #69 27 Dec 2023 18:03
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On the plus side the choice of takeaways should improve.
AideyKaye
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Post #70 27 Dec 2023 18:05
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Not sure about that, but they'll at least get to your front door quicker. Sales of Honda PCX Mopeds have gone through the roof...
Teddybare
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Post #71 27 Dec 2023 18:06
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You live in a society that can get a Pizza to your door qicker than it can get a policeman 😞
Leeroyjenkins Leeroyjenkins
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Post #72 27 Dec 2023 19:15
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I blame the last Labour government.
Teddybare
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Post #73 27 Dec 2023 20:15
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Well it was Tony Blair who opened the flood gate's so you're right.
thicky
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Post #74 28 Dec 2023 04:22
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Rmfho
CTblahblah CTblahblah
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Post #75 28 Dec 2023 20:09
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Hi mate, just wondering if there anything else we all clearly don't know? I was hoping to understand a bit more about the world but just can't make sense of it from all the newspapers owned by communists. Should we be blaming the price of camo tea bags on lefties or foreign but not foreign property developers? And if we buy the tea bags does that mean we're in favour of privatising the NHS? I've tried looking on Rueters but it doesn't say whether I should be drinking new world or European wine so any help there would be appreciated as well.
Teddybare
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Post #76 28 Dec 2023 21:02
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Stick to managing trees.👍
CTblahblah CTblahblah
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Post #77 28 Dec 2023 21:42
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Thanks mate, didn't realise you were a careers advisor
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