Just seen this, how disgraceful, did the ignorant idiot really think threatening to stab the EA officer would get him off.
Man fined over £2000 for fishing without a licence and threatening behaviour.
The Environment Agency - Kent & South London Fisheries Team - were out at the popular Darenth complex checking fishing licences. Gary Carr from Kent was not best pleased to be asked for his licence and threatened to stab the officers. This unacceptable behaviour and illegal activity resulted in convictions of fishing without a licence, threatening behaviour and refusing to give personal details. He was fined £2205.50.
Nino Brancato, the Angling Trust's National Enforcement Support Manager said: “I hope this level of fine shows it is not acceptable to abuse Environment Agency staff for the simple task of showing your fishing licence.”
Man fined over £2000 for fishing without a licence and threatening behaviour.
The Environment Agency - Kent & South London Fisheries Team - were out at the popular Darenth complex checking fishing licences. Gary Carr from Kent was not best pleased to be asked for his licence and threatened to stab the officers. This unacceptable behaviour and illegal activity resulted in convictions of fishing without a licence, threatening behaviour and refusing to give personal details. He was fined £2205.50.
Nino Brancato, the Angling Trust's National Enforcement Support Manager said: “I hope this level of fine shows it is not acceptable to abuse Environment Agency staff for the simple task of showing your fishing licence.”
In reply to Post #1
Not harsh enough, fine is ok but threatening to stab someone doing their job should be doing time.
Not harsh enough, fine is ok but threatening to stab someone doing their job should be doing time.
In reply to Post #1
I thought you were talking about me on the syndicate, taking a swim up for 4/5 days at a time, lol
I saw that on Angling Trusts page, absolutely disgusting.
As soon as the word 'stab' is used if the EA officer was on the phone to the police it's likely an Armed Response Unit would be despatched.
That's a biggie in that arrested and taken to the police station gives an easy confiscation of fishing tackle as well, although that's not been mentioned.
We really do not need people like this in fishing.
I thought you were talking about me on the syndicate, taking a swim up for 4/5 days at a time, lol
I saw that on Angling Trusts page, absolutely disgusting.
As soon as the word 'stab' is used if the EA officer was on the phone to the police it's likely an Armed Response Unit would be despatched.
That's a biggie in that arrested and taken to the police station gives an easy confiscation of fishing tackle as well, although that's not been mentioned.
We really do not need people like this in fishing.
In reply to Post #3
4/5 days Nick you did 4 weeks once didn't you 😀
4/5 days Nick you did 4 weeks once didn't you 😀
In reply to Post #4
Let it go, man was just trying to get that photo of his ronnie rig with new wonder pop up so he can stay sponsored and get 10% off hos next order... Cut him some slack!
Let it go, man was just trying to get that photo of his ronnie rig with new wonder pop up so he can stay sponsored and get 10% off hos next order... Cut him some slack!
In reply to Post #5
Disgusting, his name should be shared around ALL fisheries and the owners should ban him, then he will not be welcome anywhere, our club did this to two guys who stole lots of Carp from our lakes to stock their own pool, lots of people shared their names with and photos with all the local fisheries and further afield and they have now vanished from the angling world hanging there heads in shame
Disgusting, his name should be shared around ALL fisheries and the owners should ban him, then he will not be welcome anywhere, our club did this to two guys who stole lots of Carp from our lakes to stock their own pool, lots of people shared their names with and photos with all the local fisheries and further afield and they have now vanished from the angling world hanging there heads in shame
In reply to Post #4
Lol, close, I was doing 5 days, going home for 1dayand night then back to the lake.
Let it go, man was just trying to get that photo of his ronnie rig with new wonder pop up so he can stay sponsored and get 10% off hos next order... Cut him some slack!
10%?
I get 30%
Lol, close, I was doing 5 days, going home for 1dayand night then back to the lake.
Let it go, man was just trying to get that photo of his ronnie rig with new wonder pop up so he can stay sponsored and get 10% off hos next order... Cut him some slack!
10%?
I get 30%
In reply to Post #1
Definitely not enough punishment. Scumbag.
When I was a teenager I got caught fishing without a license I didn't fish a lot and never thought about getting a license. Nothing happened just a small fine site it was 60 or 0”80 quid. Then a few years later I had been d fishing my lake that only allowed 2 rods so I only had one license. I went onto another little runs water day ticket lake and fished 3 rods with a friend and again got caught. This time was a genuine mistake I just didn't think about getting another license for the 3rd rod. I got made to physically go to a court hearing and fined £850.
That was probably 15 lears ago now. So for an adult to be fishing without a license and then not give his details and then threaten to stab someone. 2200 is is bit lenient in comparison to my penalty.
Shocking. I mean telling someone that they'd get filled in and to **** off is one thing. But someone that uses a knife
Definitely not enough punishment. Scumbag.
When I was a teenager I got caught fishing without a license I didn't fish a lot and never thought about getting a license. Nothing happened just a small fine site it was 60 or 0”80 quid. Then a few years later I had been d fishing my lake that only allowed 2 rods so I only had one license. I went onto another little runs water day ticket lake and fished 3 rods with a friend and again got caught. This time was a genuine mistake I just didn't think about getting another license for the 3rd rod. I got made to physically go to a court hearing and fined £850.
That was probably 15 lears ago now. So for an adult to be fishing without a license and then not give his details and then threaten to stab someone. 2200 is is bit lenient in comparison to my penalty.
Shocking. I mean telling someone that they'd get filled in and to **** off is one thing. But someone that uses a knife
Way too lenient the find is fair enough for not having a licence BUT threatening to stab someone deffinatly not should have had is tackle confiscated and be up in the court's facing a sentence.
My opinion with licence dodgers is they think they can get away with it now as lake's are fenced off preventing access for EA bailiffs, when I ran a lake I changed the rules that lake bailiffs could ask for your licence if you didn't show it pack up and leave and if you couldn't prove you had one for that date your permit had gone. I have licences to cover 4 rods even though only a few of the water's I fish allow 4 , haven't they now made it where you don't always get a card unless you ask for it if so that's madness. I honestly can't remember the last time mine were checked by an EA official deffinatly a good 20 years ago
My opinion with licence dodgers is they think they can get away with it now as lake's are fenced off preventing access for EA bailiffs, when I ran a lake I changed the rules that lake bailiffs could ask for your licence if you didn't show it pack up and leave and if you couldn't prove you had one for that date your permit had gone. I have licences to cover 4 rods even though only a few of the water's I fish allow 4 , haven't they now made it where you don't always get a card unless you ask for it if so that's madness. I honestly can't remember the last time mine were checked by an EA official deffinatly a good 20 years ago
Glad to see this low life got a decent fine and a bit of name and shame should keep him off any ticket books for a while.
You can't hire a car without a driving licence, IMO you shouldn't really be allowed to buy a club/syndicate/day ticket without a valid rod licence.
The EA clearly don't have, and never will have enough resource to cover every bit of water in the country. It makes sense for club and day ticket bailiffs to take this responsibility up as well.
In reply to Post #10
Got my licence checked a couple of years ago and the EA officer was wearing a stab vest, say no more.
Got my licence checked a couple of years ago and the EA officer was wearing a stab vest, say no more.
In reply to Post #8
Christ, you got really stiffed on that 2nd one mate.
Christ, you got really stiffed on that 2nd one mate.
The sad thing is the fine will probably end up being spread across silly amount of time and barely end up being paid.
Threatening to stab someone should be punished harshly. A small fine unlikely to be paid is no deterrent, sadly as a country we aren't strong enough and nobheads like that will carry on their lives
Threatening to stab someone should be punished harshly. A small fine unlikely to be paid is no deterrent, sadly as a country we aren't strong enough and nobheads like that will carry on their lives
Got caught once, in the old river board days. I was fishing two rods at Castle Howard (in Yorkshire). I'd seen the bailiff coming down from miles away, but knew I had two rod licenses. When he approached I got my wallet out, 2 Northumbria, 2 Severn and Trent, 2 Thames, 2 for the Hampshire Avon and 1 for Yorkshire. I'm convinced I should have had 2 for Yorkshire, as I always bought them in pairs. Luckily he just made me buy a second license and send it to their head office in Leeds.
In reply to Post #13
To many snow flake do no gooders defending these people while victims are ignored. Now the country is skint we should turn the heating off in all the prisons and scrap all the non essentials, feed prisoners on gruel.
To many snow flake do no gooders defending these people while victims are ignored. Now the country is skint we should turn the heating off in all the prisons and scrap all the non essentials, feed prisoners on gruel.
In my opinion shoud have your licence taken away as you do with driving .. Would possibly be lesson learnt if you can't then enjoy your hobby
In reply to Post #8
£850- thats harsh IMO! Only time I've ever been checked I had a standard single license when using 3x rods . . .spotted the baliff and quickly reeled in the third, whipped off the bait and slung it in the margin. Baliff tried it on but I pleeded innocence and miraculously got away with it!
£850- thats harsh IMO! Only time I've ever been checked I had a standard single license when using 3x rods . . .spotted the baliff and quickly reeled in the third, whipped off the bait and slung it in the margin. Baliff tried it on but I pleeded innocence and miraculously got away with it!
In reply to Post #16
The issue with that is it's so rare you see a bailiff most people that got caught would carry on fishing regardless
The issue with that is it's so rare you see a bailiff most people that got caught would carry on fishing regardless
In reply to Post #18
Yeah I haven't seen one for years!
However, last year whilst I was waiting on a ticket to start, I did a couple of nights on Norton Disney (embryo) and the EA guy turned up, and apparently he goes quite reguarly.
about 5-6 anglers got caught and thrown off and it's not uncommon apparently, I was talking to him - was a nice chap with one of those big chest mounted video cameras.
I don't mind paying the license to be honest,
Yeah I haven't seen one for years!
However, last year whilst I was waiting on a ticket to start, I did a couple of nights on Norton Disney (embryo) and the EA guy turned up, and apparently he goes quite reguarly.
about 5-6 anglers got caught and thrown off and it's not uncommon apparently, I was talking to him - was a nice chap with one of those big chest mounted video cameras.
I don't mind paying the license to be honest,
In reply to Post #1
Not enough for me as soon as your threaten someone for just doing there job they deserve a lot harsher sentence, should be refused a fishing license for life aswell in my opinion to many people defending him on Facebook he deserved worse in my view
Not enough for me as soon as your threaten someone for just doing there job they deserve a lot harsher sentence, should be refused a fishing license for life aswell in my opinion to many people defending him on Facebook he deserved worse in my view
In reply to Post #16
I would love the thought of 'no licence, no fishing', but most Fisheries, clubs or commercial,
don't check licences, or fishing public free waters the non licence holder can 'get away with it'.
The confiscation of the fishing gear may be a better deterrent?
Strangely with so many people on here, other forums, Angling FB pages, be it Angling Times, Angling Trust etc, saying that they have never been checked, or never seen a bailiff, I was often getting checked at least once a year from 2008 to 2020, in Essex, around the Lea Valley, and Suffolk.
At Alton Water in the middle of winter, windy and wet I was pike fishing around half a mile away from the access point when the EA bailiff came round. Really nice guy, 10minutes chatting, paying attention to my dog before he even asked to see my licence which was handy in my pocket. Around 6months later he came round again, saw Sky and came for a chat, he didn't even ask to see it, even though it was ready if needed.
I would love the thought of 'no licence, no fishing', but most Fisheries, clubs or commercial,
don't check licences, or fishing public free waters the non licence holder can 'get away with it'.
The confiscation of the fishing gear may be a better deterrent?
Strangely with so many people on here, other forums, Angling FB pages, be it Angling Times, Angling Trust etc, saying that they have never been checked, or never seen a bailiff, I was often getting checked at least once a year from 2008 to 2020, in Essex, around the Lea Valley, and Suffolk.
At Alton Water in the middle of winter, windy and wet I was pike fishing around half a mile away from the access point when the EA bailiff came round. Really nice guy, 10minutes chatting, paying attention to my dog before he even asked to see my licence which was handy in my pocket. Around 6months later he came round again, saw Sky and came for a chat, he didn't even ask to see it, even though it was ready if needed.
My winter pike venue insists on seeing your rod license before they'll issue you a ticket.
In reply to Post #20
Richpp,
I would love to agree with you, but I'm positive court justice is not severe enough.
Back around 2005 I was stabbed at work by a shoplifter with a needle. He got 18months, of which he had served a year on remand. He changed his plea on the day in court to guilty, which automatically reduced his sentence by 1/3.
I still suffer from PTSD, and at the time, I had a year of blood tests and Hep B immunisation drugs.
Richpp,
I would love to agree with you, but I'm positive court justice is not severe enough.
Back around 2005 I was stabbed at work by a shoplifter with a needle. He got 18months, of which he had served a year on remand. He changed his plea on the day in court to guilty, which automatically reduced his sentence by 1/3.
I still suffer from PTSD, and at the time, I had a year of blood tests and Hep B immunisation drugs.
In reply to Post #23
That couldn't of been nice at all mate I feel for you, I work for the council and my friend got attacked then stabbed with a needle by a few smack heads they all got very small prison sentences but nothing compared to what he got, he punched one and knocked him out but was suspended from work for almost 7 weeks till they looked into it.
We get threats all the time just before Xmas I had a brick thrown at my head narrowly missing it by about an inch! Then another one put through the vans window, Just some right ****s around
That couldn't of been nice at all mate I feel for you, I work for the council and my friend got attacked then stabbed with a needle by a few smack heads they all got very small prison sentences but nothing compared to what he got, he punched one and knocked him out but was suspended from work for almost 7 weeks till they looked into it.
We get threats all the time just before Xmas I had a brick thrown at my head narrowly missing it by about an inch! Then another one put through the vans window, Just some right ****s around
In reply to Post #1
The Dartford area gets targeted often due to the amount of cretins who fish there. They done a patrol in May last year and caught NINETEEN anglers without licenses. They also saw a sharp increase in rod license sales on that day, in that area.
It's also the only place i've ever had items stolen....twice....in the same year
I fished a social down there with who you would call a "name" during a work do, and he called the place a "pusshole" that he would never fish again.
Never again.
The Dartford area gets targeted often due to the amount of cretins who fish there. They done a patrol in May last year and caught NINETEEN anglers without licenses. They also saw a sharp increase in rod license sales on that day, in that area.
It's also the only place i've ever had items stolen....twice....in the same year
I fished a social down there with who you would call a "name" during a work do, and he called the place a "pusshole" that he would never fish again.
Never again.
In reply to Post #24
My wife also works for the local council..
She was doing her job ,and had her back turned at the time ,(one of her managerial jobs is oppo our home)...I'd just come home,and seen these two teenagers spit on her....
She didn't know what had happened ,and probably wondered why I was sprinting after a 15 Yr old dickhead,I'm fit for my age and probley scared the disgusting piece of spotty moron..as I grabbed him ,marched him to his house to his parents who wernt in....
So I took him to my wife to apologise ,he refused and wouldn't say who the other dickhead was..
Oh and mummy n daddy turned up later have a go,little Johnny, blue eyed boy ..wouldn't hurt a fly,spitting on a older lady who had lived in her village her whole life.
They a different breed n mindset today....
My wife also works for the local council..
She was doing her job ,and had her back turned at the time ,(one of her managerial jobs is oppo our home)...I'd just come home,and seen these two teenagers spit on her....
She didn't know what had happened ,and probably wondered why I was sprinting after a 15 Yr old dickhead,I'm fit for my age and probley scared the disgusting piece of spotty moron..as I grabbed him ,marched him to his house to his parents who wernt in....
So I took him to my wife to apologise ,he refused and wouldn't say who the other dickhead was..
Oh and mummy n daddy turned up later have a go,little Johnny, blue eyed boy ..wouldn't hurt a fly,spitting on a older lady who had lived in her village her whole life.
They a different breed n mindset today....
In reply to Post #26
Put him in the boot and take him for a drive in the countryside, and don't forget the tool box.
Put him in the boot and take him for a drive in the countryside, and don't forget the tool box.
In reply to Post #26
A couple of times I have caught up with local 'ayerabs' as my dad used to call the hooligan youths.
Once they were knocking bins over and throwing litter all down the street, so I chased them off. Sky barking and running at them has convinced them that if they use the path between the two roads as a short cut they should behave.
Another time they were throwing bottles around the close, so I chased and caught one. He 'went home and told mummy and daddy' and I had a visit from his parents. His father threatened me, I told him if they couldn't discipline their child someone else would and if the parents needed disciplining I would quite happily take him on as well.
The mother dragged them both away.
Another youth has threatened to stab me when I gave him an earful for throwing things at Sky. I got close to him in case he did pull a knife when he said it again but he ran off so I did call the police. He was chased around the estate by an armed response vehicle that was in the location.
Our estate suffered badly with drug dealing, around the high school, so the police put a high presence on it for a while.
A couple of times I have caught up with local 'ayerabs' as my dad used to call the hooligan youths.
Once they were knocking bins over and throwing litter all down the street, so I chased them off. Sky barking and running at them has convinced them that if they use the path between the two roads as a short cut they should behave.
Another time they were throwing bottles around the close, so I chased and caught one. He 'went home and told mummy and daddy' and I had a visit from his parents. His father threatened me, I told him if they couldn't discipline their child someone else would and if the parents needed disciplining I would quite happily take him on as well.
The mother dragged them both away.
Another youth has threatened to stab me when I gave him an earful for throwing things at Sky. I got close to him in case he did pull a knife when he said it again but he ran off so I did call the police. He was chased around the estate by an armed response vehicle that was in the location.
Our estate suffered badly with drug dealing, around the high school, so the police put a high presence on it for a while.
In reply to Post #28
Yep,I had that situation too,...only I told mummy n daddy to get off my property and they did do that ,after mummy ,pretended to hold daddy back.lol..
Let's do it ,..!!........they went ,problem solved...( they gone now,their council moved them to protect them,from whom.they pissed off where they came from,sadly ...they underestimated the contempt and dislike of a once ,small community, word travels fast ,Chinese whispers intensity ,so by the time word had got out about wife who is related to lots of people, they were done ,finished ,good bye ,nada)...lol
Yep,I had that situation too,...only I told mummy n daddy to get off my property and they did do that ,after mummy ,pretended to hold daddy back.lol..
Let's do it ,..!!........they went ,problem solved...( they gone now,their council moved them to protect them,from whom.they pissed off where they came from,sadly ...they underestimated the contempt and dislike of a once ,small community, word travels fast ,Chinese whispers intensity ,so by the time word had got out about wife who is related to lots of people, they were done ,finished ,good bye ,nada)...lol
In reply to Post #1
Not so nasty but more and more fines issued...
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/anglers-amass-nearly-2-000-in-fines-in-fishing-hole-sting-282355/
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/five-east-yorkshire-anglers-netted-8157053
Not so nasty but more and more fines issued...
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/anglers-amass-nearly-2-000-in-fines-in-fishing-hole-sting-282355/
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/five-east-yorkshire-anglers-netted-8157053
In reply to Post #31
Not that much of a deterrent though is it, a fine of a few hundred quid. Should also have their tackle seized as a minimum in addition to the fine.
Not that much of a deterrent though is it, a fine of a few hundred quid. Should also have their tackle seized as a minimum in addition to the fine.
In reply to Post #32
I usually fish the free waters as I don't drive but still by a licence
I usually fish the free waters as I don't drive but still by a licence
In reply to Post #32
Yep. That would be a start. Lifetime bans too?
The commercial waters I fish ask for proof of current licence. Maybe more should be doing this?
Yep. That would be a start. Lifetime bans too?
The commercial waters I fish ask for proof of current licence. Maybe more should be doing this?
In reply to Post #33
Didn't know there was such a thing as a free water, surely all waters are owned by someone? And whoever owns them is going to charge you?
Didn't know there was such a thing as a free water, surely all waters are owned by someone? And whoever owns them is going to charge you?
In reply to Post #35
https://www.anglingtimes.co.uk/advice/fishing-lakes/10-great-free-fisheries
https://www.anglingtimes.co.uk/advice/fishing-lakes/10-great-free-fisheries
In reply to Post #35
The Canals and some lakes no one comes round to ask for money no signs up either,I remember an ex girlfriend's mate her fella was a carper,he had all the gear and no license then a few times he asked if he could borrow mine,I even remember him packing up at a lake when the EA came down I was with my brother at the time and my ex's little lad and they guy couldn't get away quick enough
The Canals and some lakes no one comes round to ask for money no signs up either,I remember an ex girlfriend's mate her fella was a carper,he had all the gear and no license then a few times he asked if he could borrow mine,I even remember him packing up at a lake when the EA came down I was with my brother at the time and my ex's little lad and they guy couldn't get away quick enough
In reply to Post #37
Weird, can perhaps understand some lake owners not collecting money, but I thought all canals and rivers were owned by the Canal & River Trust, who either rent them out to clubs or unrented stretches are covered in the Waterway Wanderers permit.
Weird, can perhaps understand some lake owners not collecting money, but I thought all canals and rivers were owned by the Canal & River Trust, who either rent them out to clubs or unrented stretches are covered in the Waterway Wanderers permit.
In reply to Post #35
Quite possibly a number of park lakes are free, and most definitely stretches of river.
My local council has lakes on a couple of parks, there is no charge to fish them, although personally I think that a small day ticket fee should be charged.
Probably a few villages have local commons or greens with lakes that people fish, Chris Yates starter fishing
Quite possibly a number of park lakes are free, and most definitely stretches of river.
My local council has lakes on a couple of parks, there is no charge to fish them, although personally I think that a small day ticket fee should be charged.
Probably a few villages have local commons or greens with lakes that people fish, Chris Yates starter fishing
In reply to Post #38
I done a night on a 50' Deep pit in my town centre and it's supposedly owned by a club which charge £50 a year but no one come round while I was there
I done a night on a 50' Deep pit in my town centre and it's supposedly owned by a club which charge £50 a year but no one come round while I was there
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