Rumours are a few of the big guns are using Hormones whats the crack?

Would explain some red letter days with certain "top anglers" is there something to it or all bull?

In reply to Post #1
There was a very long post about it a few months ago, do a search on hormone in the bait section.

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No idea , sorry

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Names were named, mud was slung, legal action was threatened......all went quiet!

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We must not talk about it or a nasty man will tell us of and threaten us with bad things,

my Mrs must be a top class angler as she's full of hormones every ****in day of the week

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Best get her to play with your boillies then

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too scared they would split in in flight from the throwing stick

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How do you make a hormone?
















Dont pay her 😁

In reply to Post #11
you dont

you ask a horse vet

Still a classic moment in my opinion

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Or catastrophic!

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100% guilty of using hormones. Especially when your best mates wife is a vet. Whether he thought it was immoral is another thing and there is no proof so not alot that can be done.

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Is this the Nash podcast? What's the timing of that bit, do you know? I don't want to sit through 3 hours of it, would just like to hear that bit out of interest?

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3 hrs very well spent
It's not I'm joking, one big joke is carping

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anyone know which nash podcast it was

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It wasn't the Nash one Joss. It was a Carp Chronicles podcast that got taken down.

Edit: I'm wrong. The big kick-off/hoo-hah started with the CC one, then Kev appeared on the Nash one. I think. Kev was on episode 30.

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Yes no 30 , off the hook pod cast

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Hewitt mentions "Scaley Bangers"

that was enough for me, turned it off

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from 2hrs 26 secs onwards

trust me, i didnt wade through it, someone told me

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Apparently they are all leathers now since the use of a certain chemical

In reply to Post #13
PMSL laughing at that first time round Chuffy and have today, what was the quote, how not to win at poker!

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100%

Seems to have stopped catching now as well

Maker is the other along with need and mansford in the bcac. Watching them in that match was the most hilarious thing I've ever seen in a match

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A really difficult watch/listen. Just bizarre.

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Anyone got a link to this podcast?

In reply to Post #29
just stick

Nash podcast episode 30 in you tube, flick forward to 2 hours a 26 mins...the rest is boring

In reply to Post #29
Beat me to it.

In reply to Post #29
Monster particles have just released a comment saying that they have removed one of their anglers for using hormones

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Beat me to it haha

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And look who has just moved from monster to barrs

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Think post has already been removed

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on what platform

In reply to Post #36
Facebook. But post has already been deleted.

Is this a reference to a series of articles in a group magazine?
Sorry, I can't say too much here.

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People would have screen shotted the post, my mate sent it to me.

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Loads of people are still sharing it on FB. No names specifically mentioned but loads of speculation on the comments

Someone has screen shotted the post and put it back on monster particles Facebook page in the hemp and maize deal in the comments if anyone wants to read it that hasn't seen it yet

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If you search Monster Particle on FB it comes up.

"The rumours are true, we have removed certain anglers from the brand for using or testing hormones in the UK, yes we can not 100% prove what they was using said hormone but telling the bailiff does not help the case.

We want to be 100% clear we do not stand behind or support anyone who uses or tests such things, it can be deadly and not to be used in the fishing industry. Since hormones have come out in the lime light a few anglers has tried to find out what it is and I'm sure some anglers have been testing god knows what to try and get an edge

Please anglers only use fishing bait don't go testing products that are not used for the fishing industry, we have no idea what effects it could do to the water and the fish. Is it really worth it?

We didn't want to make a statement about this but we can't keep hiding comments made on our posts. I'm sure every company in the trade and every angler agree they should not be used in any situation."

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bloody fair play to them in my book, brave move on their behalf

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It's a shame really... I'm from the generation of watching these carp anglers on youtube to try and learn how to become a better angler and it just makes you wonder how much of it is BS.

In reply to Post #38
Vanhorne, would that be "The Carp"?
If so, good to hear they're at least discussing it.

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He's already gone to Barrs and all the fan boys are kissing his ass. Let's hope taking him on costs them a huge loss of sales.

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Feel for you, I'm probably a bit older than you, still learning to, but unfortunately I learnt long ago there plenty of bs out there, I've been involved in small ways with bait people etc and let's just say some of its not what it seems, I say to my mate don't watch the videos go out there and fish, make mistakes learn , your come out the other side 10 times better, and I'm not just talking big fish, good luck

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No it isn't. There are no articles in the BCSG mag discussing this.

In reply to Post #46
Is this the guy who is not very good at poker or another?

Cheats Always never win

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They have said in a follow up post that it's not a known angler.
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are at it. Ive seen a few names first hand have some pretty amazing results in the last couple of years, now that could be because they fish mid week, and are bloody good anglers. Or it could be for other reasons. Shame if it's from natural ability cos I'm sure I'm not the only one raising an eyebrow on my waters.

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Fishing mid week isn't an edge on many of the cercuit waters as they are busy seven days a week, maybe not so much mid winter.

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Not a known angler but an angler who was associated and had a deal with Monster.....🤔.....so which one is it?

Maybe the lawyers have been involved again so there's a bit of backtracking.....?

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It's a total embarrassment for the hobby. I love the podcasts, listen to them all as I spend a lot of time travelling. I remember the Ian Russel one from last year. Nice guy, plain speaker. He said there's no point in entering the matches now. It was pretty obvious what he was referring to.

If this is happening these guys need running out of fishing.

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If that is the case what ian russell was referring to then why wouldnt he out them or is there an underlying issue with him doing that ???

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To be fair unless you have actual proof, that's probably the best he could do, we all saw the lawyer threat last time

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Yeah definitely

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I wonder if they'd perjure themselves under oath about using it?

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This is where angling needs some kind of governance. Until someone takes this up it will rumble on for years. Threats of slander I think would be a minefield for those accused.

To me with finance and authority it's simple.

The drug is controlled and only a few have access to writing prescriptions.
You audit the prescriptions and the end users who would I assume have the relevant livestock licenses.
You investigate any prescriptions from lab to end user that can't be traced to vet application.

It won't happen, but all it would take is one user to start to realise the heat is on and the whole house of cards will come down. That truly is the only way to uncover any misuse - until then it is a pointless discussion because I just can't see how you prove or disprove.

If any controlled drug could make you hit a golf ball in the hole anytime, and this was used by amateurs to win prize money it would be sorted in months. Because it's just smelly fishing nobody will take up the mantle.

I have no idea if anything has been used - but the human “no smoke without fire” exists in all of us.

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easy to control if done correctly ith the use of drugs, its done within the livestock sector for meat production with blood tests for hormones in cattle, pigs and sheep....

BUT

once perscribe, how does one control dosage?

i know alot of vets and work with them along with DEFRA, something i may well bring up

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I suppose it could be referred to the EA but dont know what grounds they'd be able to potentially take legal action on.

But more likely it'd be DEFRA around the controlled substances angle on it.

Issue is, you bring this to light and it goes public the entire angling world looks really bad and the antis will be all over it, could have serious repercussions for angling as a whole.

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agree, EA would look into if enough proof comes to light, as would the FSA and local authorities

the control of said substances is down to the veterinary bodies.

IF its being used, rightly so it should be looked at and if it has repercussions, then on the peoples head who "allegedly" use/d it

Shame of it is. If I find out someone's had a big hit of fish now from my tickets, especially new members, I look at it with suspicion first and admiration second. I used to immediately think, nice one, good angling, well done. I don't anymore.

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Too be fair, this stuff isnt easy to get hold of, you'd have to be extremely close to a vet who is willing to let you have someone

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Yes but look at a lot of the bait manufacturers. Many of them started out as animal/seed merchants first and branched out into angling. Many of them continue to supply both. I'm sure there's a huge cross over between industries.

Now this is complete speculation obviously, but you could see it happening. Let's say i make boilies, and I want my anglers to appear to be superhuman superstars because of using my bait. Now let's also say that my other business supplies a load of local farmers who I've dealt with for years. Maybe I suggest to them that I could do them a favour if they do me a favour. They've got a genuine prescription for say twenty bottles, but actually they only use eighteen bottles, cos a proportion of their pigs/cattle naturally come into season, or maybe someone accidentally broke a bottle. Etc.

I can give you a real world example of this. One of my customers is a sheep farmer. I've got him out of trouble when his boiler packed up a couple of times. Guess where my Lamlac comes from?

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i get what you mean, but would there be that many vets willing to loose their jobs over it ?

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sorry for my naivety, is this stuff that well controlled? with a few google searches ive found out what the stuff appears to be, never be anything id even look at using as it obviously a dangerous chemical. reading the replies its like its real lock and key stuff.

In reply to Post #66
If the product used is as rumoured it is widely available online, but you would need a prescription to buy it.

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Like most things these days, you can buy illegally

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legally yes

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I wonder if a fish could be tested to see if it has any of the substance in its system ?

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Probably not without killing it first

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Breathalyser.

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A lot of them are based in farm buildings. Most of them need to be to buy in ingredients as you cant get bulk orders of DEFRA categorised things to premises which arent licensed to have them. Business units and homes for example. However a business renting a farm unit doesnt need to worry as the farm address will be licensed. The sort of relationships you're talking about already exists to some extent.

My colleague's wife is a vet & works for a veterinary pharmaceutical company, he runs his family farm too. I asked him about it and how easy it was to get hold of. His response was that no vet would ever risk their license for such a odd reason, but once prescribed the farmers arent really regulated on what they do with it so it'd be quite easy if you know someone. He did mention that this stuff is so easy to get in Europe and importing via the post would go unnoticed, apparently it's happened within agriculture with other things in the past as they've become more regulated or banned in the UK.

I posted in the other thread so I'll post the same in this one FYI.
I know from people in a small angling club it's been taken to the continent for at least 3 year's. With incredible results.
It's been messed about with in the hyper competitive and lucrative match circuit in the UK for longer.
No surprise it made it's way into guaranteed expensive holiday hits. Then guaranteed UK carp big hit status if that's your thing
The genie is out of the bottle but what can you do in reality?

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The genie is out of the bottle but what can you do in reality?

Nothing, but if the pastime wasn't in a bad enough place already ffs.

In a match situation I would class it as cheating and an unfair advantage. The bigger problem for me is those monkeys that were using it at bluebell and the likes trying to claim fame with their big hits, makes a mockery of the pastime and all the genuine folk fishing there, catches seriously tarnished due to hormone use and the most important bit, it casts a cloud over all the genuine people's catches and will continue to do so, anybody having a result will be a suspect and that's wrong

There's no good news around this but don't they look a bunch of tits now, sad really, and so desperate, because to be fair, they are probably decent anglers but they will be seen as hormone users forever

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Probably, no its all Richard walkers making putting honey on his bread

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Doesn't sound like someone quote,
I don't give a **** who they are, no impact on my fishing whatsoever
Decent anglers would never stoop this low to catch either. If any of it is ever proved in my eyes any company that continues to sponsor anyone involved would never see a penny of my money.

from his facebook page
Tom Maker Carp Angler
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⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ PLEASE READ ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Never in my angling life did I think I would ever have to come onto social media and make a post like this. It's totally out of character for me!
I'm sure over the past 36 hours a lot of you would have seen the much talked about post that has been shared about.....First and foremost I left this company because of lack of payment and communication, to which I was told “I'm selling the company so I don't know what the future holds” and with fishing being my only income, I have to consider my family and losing a proportion of my monthly income would hit me hard
Moving onto the allegations of the alleged use of “hormones” in my bait, I'm not even sure where to start as it's actually almost comical that people believe that I would do anything like this. Please remember that fishing is what pays my living, it's what puts a roof over my families head and allows me to enjoy the life I live and not in any way would I EVER do anything to jeopardise that. Lots has gone on in my life over the past few years which has allowed me to fish a lot more for myself than what I usually would have over past years, but because I don't air my personal life on social media people will just not understand. Whilst I know people have falsely accused me of using certain products I plead with anyone experimenting to stop, it has been proven that whatever products are being tried simply do not work. What people are also quick to forget is that I fish very heavily stocked venues, lakes where I have been having big hits from since I was a teenager, lakes where hundreds of people fish and places where I film most weeks and not one person; Whether that be a member of public or someone who works for the companies that sponsor me have ever seen or found me to be using anything...I'm sure that says it all? Believe it or not I do go through periods of angling that aren't as prolific as what it may seem online, I'm out with my sponsors Fox and Sticky on a regular basis doing my job, and they've seen their fair share of tough filming trips and features over the years!
Aside from this and I will make no bones about it, if there was a super duper liquid that I have do you not all think I would of targeted the “big fish” venues and caught them all? Take a step away from carp fishing... there is a lot of money in match angling and I'm sure the thought of winning £50k for a match would far outweigh the long cold nights fishing on busy waters which I enjoy so much! I didn't want to come on here and make a post like this because I am not the confrontational type, I'm just a regular guy that goes fishing and absolutely loves what he does, but one thing I will ask everyone to consider...When you don't agree with something online please just scroll past it and carry on with your day. I'm a pretty strong, thick skinned character and have taken this on the chin(s), but the next time you comment on someone's post you may just be the reason that they do something that will effect their life or even worse.
I know in this day and age I'm not going to be everyone's cup of tea, and I appreciate that people will have already formulated their opinions and I know I'm not going to change that. But please next time you comment just be mindful that their is an individual taking the brunt of your abuse.

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Fairplay to the guy. I have seen his name linked with this, along with a few others. I have also watched one or two of his videos and it is clear that he has a particular fishing style which he is both very good at and he's well-suited to the type of waters that he fishes. Sometimes he just have to admit that he is a better angler rather than promote sour grapes.

I don't know whether this hormone stuff is true or not, no idea at all. His words do not seem like those of a liar to me though.

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That's good to hear, thanks

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Read that on fb as well, sounds genuine especially when put into context with what monster have said on his departure.

statement from monster owner

Think its time for me to say my side of the story's and put a few things straight. There is always 2 sides of the story & to be honest I have nothing to lose anymore.

Tom was never owed any money by Monster Particles, he put his invoice in on June 17th for the coming month and I told him I was selling up so I don't know what the future holds and that the new owners would want to sit down with him before going forward, the sale was going through at this point. He was happy with that. I even gave him the heads up a week before letting him know the reasons why i might have to sell he was happy and even supportive. There was no communication because the sale was going through it was happening so fast within 2 weeks. The sale fell through on the 28th june simple as that. We never ****ed him over at all. He already moved on before I had chance to even say nothing is changing. The bloke has no ****ing loyalty is just money to him, which I totally understand alot would do the same, there was no bad blood him leaving as people come and go in the fishing industry, offer them more money and everything goes out the window It's just the industry. I was told at the start don't pay these celeb anglers it will just end up sour and yes your right Mark I should have listened 😉

Not many people know I nearly lost my Mrs last year, we was told she wasn't going to make it, she was in intensive care for 6 weeks, hardest 3 months of my life but she made a full recovery **** me that girl is a fighter, so strong. We had another scare very recently and I thought **** it I can't do this again and I need to put my family first so yes I approached a few asking if they wanted to take Monster on we had a few interested parties I just wanted the business sold so I could concentrate on being there for my family, lost my hero my grandad to cancer, my nans fighting cancer as we speak, my dad's beat cancer recently, my Mrs is also not very well, I just wanted a normal life for a change and I'm being attacked for that because I wanted to put my family first, I made sure all my staffs jobs was safe and everyone was looked after as I'm not that kind of guy I could easily just give up and say **** it, money doesn't inspire me to keep going which is why i would accept £1 for Monster so i can have a normal life again. I keep going because I don't want to let people down. I don't want to look like I'm moaning or hard done by iv had a ****ing **** 2 years but everyone is going through stuff everyone is fighting there own battles but I just have to clarify why I made that choice because people feel the need to comment and they apparently know what's happening behind closed doors which is not the case.

The fishing industry is evil there is so many people trying to bring you down, want to see you fail, talk behind your back and pick you up on any mistake you make, anyone would be mad to run a business in this trade as its soul destroying, they always help the under dog and when you get to a point everyone trys to bring you down. Why cant everyone just get along and just go fishing and enjoy it? bare with me it gets good below.

I actually hate going on Facebook where someone is slating monster calling me all the names under the sun, people jump on the band wagon that have never even ordered before but they just love to put there piece in. **** me we try our ****ing best the lads graft so ****ing hard and yes we have made mistakes, yes delivery times have been long but everyone who was effected was always offered compensation when we ****ed up. Most people understood and are happy. Every business has there ups and downs il be honest iv struggled with it all mentally its so draining. But I keep going and fighting I have a thick skin and brought up never to give up.

Now this is where it gets good. Hormones

I put that statement on my own accord I wrote it, bcz I got a call from a bailiff from a very well know day ticket that they caught 2 anglers using or testing hormones and they was wearing Monster clothing he was giving me the heads up because the lake had photographed them and was going to name and shame them I put up a statement up because I wanted to get infront of it. Imagine a picture going up saying caught using hormones and Monster badge was in it. It was not aimed at Tom maker and was not posted because he joined a new company at all it was to get infront of it before more bad **** go attached to Monster bcz **** me we don't need it. Sadly after all the **** Iv received the lake will not get involved which I understand and I won't name and shame the anglers because its not fair i couldnt do that to someone I hope in the near future it does get out and it will back my story up as iv been called a liar by most. I deleted it because over 100 comments was saying Tom Maker got caught again I wander why that is ay? I reposted it saying i

"The lake had photographed them" 🤦‍♂️

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Have you seen the photographs?

In reply to Post #79
With respect....

NO ONE is going to admit to using an illegal substance

not saying he has nor saying he hasnt

In reply to Post #83
Caught again! I don't even think he has been caught once! Just caught up in a load of tittle tattle.

In reply to Post #86
I was chatting to the bailiff on my water yesterday.

I was asking why it was so quiet and told him I was trying to side hook the fish with trebles and leadcore leaders, it also slipped out that I had abducted his 18 year old daughter and had her in my garage along with enough drugs ro take her to Mexico and back 6 times. I then explained to him that I broke into the hut last week and took all the day ticket money along with the waders and the life jacket. We finished our chat and the weirdest thing ever happened - he took my photo as he waved - then I get a message this morning that NGT want their toaster and grinder returned. FML.

In reply to Post #85
I'd like to know how a lake can take photos

In reply to Post #83
Was this a post on the actual Monster business profile?

I can appreciate that not all business owners will have faultless written English, but surely it's only professional to hold back profanity from every sentence? How embarrassing.

Buy cheap particle from who you want, but I certainly wouldn't want to be in any employment contract with the author of that post.

I'd say young Mr Maker is well out of it.

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You don't have to be brain of Britain to boil water do you.

In reply to Post #86
NO ONE is going to admit to using an illegal substance

Exactly that, they would be stoned to death at the gate of every fishery

Lock it up, cheats never win

so the anglers were in Monster particle branded clothing , clothing that is available to anyone on their website .Why would the lake owner go to Monster to complain very odd !

In reply to Post #93
Something smells fishy

In reply to Post #83
Total ********.

I'd love to see the supposed picture , what's it show a bottle saying ' hormones' and an angler pouring it over his baits .

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i saw that amongst other pics on Ben Battenberg's FB.....you wait till he starts on this one, hes relentless

In reply to Post #98
Do people actually take any notice of him??

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quite a few solicitors do

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Rmfho

In reply to Post #97
Flavoured plastic . hardly a bait revolution nowadays.

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PMSL when I saw it, gave it a

Bait is too tight to the hook shank for my liking lol. Who is the guy in the background, his expression makes me laugh, brilliant

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Good work M

Chap on a lake I was fishing last year who is friendly with certain people all of a sudden became top rod and was slaying the place, for 2 years before that he couldn't catch a cold. The Hormone scandal hit and he is now back to blanking.

Probably coincidence of course but it makes you think!

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Interestingly, the red faced man is having his ass handed to him and his partner (who have won the entire bcac twice as a pair and who incidentally also threatened to take legal action against everyone) in their bcac semi on b1 by two lads that i have never heard of

Almost like they have lost an edge perhaps

Rumour has it that the hormones being used are actually the tears of the workers who make fishing tackle in Chinese sweat shops.