Right, So....Goo
I have sat on the fence with this one for a few years now. Not something I have used much of and when I have I can't say its made a huge difference.
Thats not to say it doesn't work
So......who has used it successfully? What flavours have you done well on and how did you apply it?
A totally open minded post so all views and opinions welcome
I have sat on the fence with this one for a few years now. Not something I have used much of and when I have I can't say its made a huge difference.
Thats not to say it doesn't work
So......who has used it successfully? What flavours have you done well on and how did you apply it?
A totally open minded post so all views and opinions welcome
In reply to Post #1
I dabbled with it in the past - only for coating hookbaits.
I found it very water specific... as in it worked on some waters well and other it just blew big time.
Almond & Squid were the two best performers for me.
I dabbled with it in the past - only for coating hookbaits.
I found it very water specific... as in it worked on some waters well and other it just blew big time.
Almond & Squid were the two best performers for me.
I came back to carp angling after 10 years in 2020 and Goo was one of the things I had read about extensively so I bought a few different bottles. I experimented and fished with one goo'd up bait and one without and honestly I have had so many more bites on the non goo bait. The only real success I have had is putting the Scopex smoke on solid bags and had bites that way.
I'm not saying it doesnt work, I'm sure it does but I don't think its the game changer many have pushed it to be. Lets put it this way, I know of more than one person at Korda who wont let it near their hookbait. Read into that what you will.
I'm not saying it doesnt work, I'm sure it does but I don't think its the game changer many have pushed it to be. Lets put it this way, I know of more than one person at Korda who wont let it near their hookbait. Read into that what you will.
In reply to Post #3
After seeing a group of fish literally spook of it in the margin my bottle went in the bin.
Like others have said no doubt it works on some waters but not for me
After seeing a group of fish literally spook of it in the margin my bottle went in the bin.
Like others have said no doubt it works on some waters but not for me
I copied the Korda boys and have used the following combinations:
Spuid Supreme Goo and Mainline Milky Toffee popups (pink popups after adding Goo). That has been a very good combination. Caught from different waters and have had bites soon after casting out.
Pineapple Supreme Goo and Mainline Essential IB popups(yellow popups after adding Goo). They have also done well like the squids.
White Almond or Wonderberry on Mainline Milky Toffee popups (White popups aften adding Goo). I haven't been doing as well on these as on the pineapples and the squids, but in all fairness I have used the pink and yellow ones a lot more.
I know it's not very original to just follow the trends and use what's being plugged in the commercials, but I can't complain about the results on the pink and yellow combinations. I'm not saying that they are wonder baits, but put on the right spot they will catch you fish. Do they catch because of the Goo, the colour or the flavour? I really don't know.
I haven't used the Goo on bags or in spod mixes.
Spuid Supreme Goo and Mainline Milky Toffee popups (pink popups after adding Goo). That has been a very good combination. Caught from different waters and have had bites soon after casting out.
Pineapple Supreme Goo and Mainline Essential IB popups(yellow popups after adding Goo). They have also done well like the squids.
White Almond or Wonderberry on Mainline Milky Toffee popups (White popups aften adding Goo). I haven't been doing as well on these as on the pineapples and the squids, but in all fairness I have used the pink and yellow ones a lot more.
I know it's not very original to just follow the trends and use what's being plugged in the commercials, but I can't complain about the results on the pink and yellow combinations. I'm not saying that they are wonder baits, but put on the right spot they will catch you fish. Do they catch because of the Goo, the colour or the flavour? I really don't know.
I haven't used the Goo on bags or in spod mixes.
In reply to Post #1
I'll try and answer this without certain members jumping on my every post....
The original goo formulations were based on well known recipes from South African match carp fishing, there's a lot available online regarding their composition.
Do they work? Well, some of the goos do an effective job on dying baits a different colour, and I do believe that you can visually stimulate carp. So the fact it opens up a potentially wider array of the colour spectrum is, logically, an advantage.
However there is many cheaper ways to do it.
With regards to fish attraction / feed stimulation, my thoughts are as follows
To stimulate carp into a feeding situation via taste in the water column, which is what there's things are claiming to do, you need one thing above all else and that is a recognisable food signal. For carp, this is largely dominated by free form amino acids, however, not completely dominated. I believe personally that through evolution most wild things develop a sensory proclivity towards common indicators in their food, be that certain bacteria, fats etc and I personally think you can really capitalise on these in certain situations. For example, high mineral content baits on spring, animals know what they need be it stored energy for winter or pre spawning etc and I believe at these times are more susceptible to strong food signals.
In this regard I don't personally believe goo is something which will perform for you. Having said that, it seems to work a lot on high stock match type venues, but typically these venues, and I say this with respect to them, do not have the appropriate biomass levels to sustain growth / promote those instincts to find nnutrients and I believe the feeding habits are more behavioural and reliant on anglers baits. Especially with match tactics never really geared toward the fish getting much of a feed, they may only get ten kilos of carp pellets to several tonnes of fish over a weekend of matches and as anyone who's studied carp knows that's far below optimum feed intake, essentially keeping them perpetually hungry. I will not claim to known the function such liquids have on fish in those particular conditions.
In a more concise way I believe the cheaper options out there are probably just as good as tge premium in terms of offering a visual aspect to bait, in terms of feed inducing, it would appear negligible.
I'll try and answer this without certain members jumping on my every post....
The original goo formulations were based on well known recipes from South African match carp fishing, there's a lot available online regarding their composition.
Do they work? Well, some of the goos do an effective job on dying baits a different colour, and I do believe that you can visually stimulate carp. So the fact it opens up a potentially wider array of the colour spectrum is, logically, an advantage.
However there is many cheaper ways to do it.
With regards to fish attraction / feed stimulation, my thoughts are as follows
To stimulate carp into a feeding situation via taste in the water column, which is what there's things are claiming to do, you need one thing above all else and that is a recognisable food signal. For carp, this is largely dominated by free form amino acids, however, not completely dominated. I believe personally that through evolution most wild things develop a sensory proclivity towards common indicators in their food, be that certain bacteria, fats etc and I personally think you can really capitalise on these in certain situations. For example, high mineral content baits on spring, animals know what they need be it stored energy for winter or pre spawning etc and I believe at these times are more susceptible to strong food signals.
In this regard I don't personally believe goo is something which will perform for you. Having said that, it seems to work a lot on high stock match type venues, but typically these venues, and I say this with respect to them, do not have the appropriate biomass levels to sustain growth / promote those instincts to find nnutrients and I believe the feeding habits are more behavioural and reliant on anglers baits. Especially with match tactics never really geared toward the fish getting much of a feed, they may only get ten kilos of carp pellets to several tonnes of fish over a weekend of matches and as anyone who's studied carp knows that's far below optimum feed intake, essentially keeping them perpetually hungry. I will not claim to known the function such liquids have on fish in those particular conditions.
In a more concise way I believe the cheaper options out there are probably just as good as tge premium in terms of offering a visual aspect to bait, in terms of feed inducing, it would appear negligible.
In reply to Post #6
I've used the goo before and never had confidence in it which I mean for the price as well I won't be buying it again,I have more confidence in getting liquid food signals to the bottom of a lake/canal by glugging a pva bag with a good quality thick liquid and some oils in the bag via a syringe or one of those dynamite oils with a good nozzle and let it do it's stuff when sitting out in the depths
I've used the goo before and never had confidence in it which I mean for the price as well I won't be buying it again,I have more confidence in getting liquid food signals to the bottom of a lake/canal by glugging a pva bag with a good quality thick liquid and some oils in the bag via a syringe or one of those dynamite oils with a good nozzle and let it do it's stuff when sitting out in the depths
side by side i didn't personally see difference.
but i have seen a difference when i rolled 2 batches of pop ups, one with goo and one with a hydro.
the hydro outfished the goo tenfold.
but i have seen a difference when i rolled 2 batches of pop ups, one with goo and one with a hydro.
the hydro outfished the goo tenfold.
In reply to Post #1
I may be in the minority here, but I don't really use added liquids in my fishing at all, and I do just fine
Good quality boilie, particles and pellets used in different combinations, I sometimes add salt, and will often fish maggot in the winter but that's about it.
I may be in the minority here, but I don't really use added liquids in my fishing at all, and I do just fine
Good quality boilie, particles and pellets used in different combinations, I sometimes add salt, and will often fish maggot in the winter but that's about it.
In reply to Post #9
Good quality baits will already contain them but I totally get your approach of not over complicating things, I think personally where they work is being able to increase the food signals without increasing the free offerings, which in some circumstances can be beneficial, or as has already been stated, an oil to take advantage of different water depths.
Speaking of salt, a high salinity solution can be a really good way of adding it
Good quality baits will already contain them but I totally get your approach of not over complicating things, I think personally where they work is being able to increase the food signals without increasing the free offerings, which in some circumstances can be beneficial, or as has already been stated, an oil to take advantage of different water depths.
Speaking of salt, a high salinity solution can be a really good way of adding it
In reply to Post #9
When I used to eel fish I was always plagued by carp when using lobworms . Sometimes whilst the carp anglers couldn't buy a bite .
I've also caught a lot of carp in excess of 20lb on Roach and lamprey sections
When I used to eel fish I was always plagued by carp when using lobworms . Sometimes whilst the carp anglers couldn't buy a bite .
I've also caught a lot of carp in excess of 20lb on Roach and lamprey sections
In reply to Post #11
The good old worm! A few years ago I fished a small 1 acre lake, once I'd joined the lad who ran told me the bait to use, needed to be popped up and a withy rig, he also told me most of the silvers had been removed.
I only blanked once that year fishing days only using you hair rigged worms, probably caught half the fish in there!
The good old worm! A few years ago I fished a small 1 acre lake, once I'd joined the lad who ran told me the bait to use, needed to be popped up and a withy rig, he also told me most of the silvers had been removed.
I only blanked once that year fishing days only using you hair rigged worms, probably caught half the fish in there!
Some super interesting replies here!
I have bought some garlic goo to give it a try on some pop ups. I'll be fishing it over ABS GNZ (Garlic Enzyme) I'm skeptical as I have never really given any goo a fair test.
I have heard of people having success on the squid goo before and that defo takes my interest as well!
I guess its the case with anything in carp fishing, it is whatever gives you confidence when sitting behind your rods
I'll certainly be interested to see how this bait works against a hardened hookbait straight from the pot!
I have bought some garlic goo to give it a try on some pop ups. I'll be fishing it over ABS GNZ (Garlic Enzyme) I'm skeptical as I have never really given any goo a fair test.
I have heard of people having success on the squid goo before and that defo takes my interest as well!
I guess its the case with anything in carp fishing, it is whatever gives you confidence when sitting behind your rods
I'll certainly be interested to see how this bait works against a hardened hookbait straight from the pot!
In reply to Post #13
I follow mozzi on this one. The color of the goo is a huge factor.
It gives your bait a visual aspect compared to the freebies.
In addition, there are better liquids than goo to boost the attraction level of baits.
In the past, I've talked to some match anglers who also were doing tests with goo. They found the only gne giving them an edge was wonderberry. Once they tried to figure out why, they concludd the sweeteners used in the goo was the edge. So, they stopped using go and used pure sweetener and didn't look back.
I follow mozzi on this one. The color of the goo is a huge factor.
It gives your bait a visual aspect compared to the freebies.
In addition, there are better liquids than goo to boost the attraction level of baits.
In the past, I've talked to some match anglers who also were doing tests with goo. They found the only gne giving them an edge was wonderberry. Once they tried to figure out why, they concludd the sweeteners used in the goo was the edge. So, they stopped using go and used pure sweetener and didn't look back.
I have played with various liquids on bait, glugs, soaks, Goo and Crafty Catcher liquids.
Firstly I wasn't sure about Goo ingredients as fluorescein seemed to appear in blurbs about it. While fluorescein is on the WHO list of Essential Medicines, it is used as a 'tracer', to find tears, holes etc, exactly as it is used in water courses and oil industry. However fluorescein has high adverse reactions in humans.
When it came to fishing with a good bait soak of known liquid foods, Crafty liquids and Goo on bait I fished both an individual bait and over groundbait, so it had a fair chance. I also used Goo and Crafty liquids on pike deadbaits on one water.
For carp on overstocked waters, where natural food may be limited, the liquids of all types provoked reactions and takes far faster than un-liquid covered baits, boilies, maggots, pellets or corn.
In richer waters where carp were not bait reliant, the Goo and Crafty liquids had no advantage. At times the clouding actually provoked a repelling reaction. However, the natural food liquids could provoke a positive reaction, increased interest.
For the pike fishing, on one lake usual deadbaits were treated very circumspect. Effectively the lake was being overfishing, and there were no hookable takes on mackeral, bluey, herring or smelt.
Deadbaits were covered in Squid Goo being as it is red.
Nothing positive.
Crafty Catcher had a red betaine liquid which did get Interest when poured or painted on half blueys (either end). The liquid did appear to be oil based.
Firstly I wasn't sure about Goo ingredients as fluorescein seemed to appear in blurbs about it. While fluorescein is on the WHO list of Essential Medicines, it is used as a 'tracer', to find tears, holes etc, exactly as it is used in water courses and oil industry. However fluorescein has high adverse reactions in humans.
When it came to fishing with a good bait soak of known liquid foods, Crafty liquids and Goo on bait I fished both an individual bait and over groundbait, so it had a fair chance. I also used Goo and Crafty liquids on pike deadbaits on one water.
For carp on overstocked waters, where natural food may be limited, the liquids of all types provoked reactions and takes far faster than un-liquid covered baits, boilies, maggots, pellets or corn.
In richer waters where carp were not bait reliant, the Goo and Crafty liquids had no advantage. At times the clouding actually provoked a repelling reaction. However, the natural food liquids could provoke a positive reaction, increased interest.
For the pike fishing, on one lake usual deadbaits were treated very circumspect. Effectively the lake was being overfishing, and there were no hookable takes on mackeral, bluey, herring or smelt.
Deadbaits were covered in Squid Goo being as it is red.
Nothing positive.
Crafty Catcher had a red betaine liquid which did get Interest when poured or painted on half blueys (either end). The liquid did appear to be oil based.
In reply to Post #15
That's a very in depth review Nick . I've never use any goo or that kid of liquid .
I do however use krill , and aminos that I consider natural.
I use and used CC Moore for years now and am happy with the products .
That's a very in depth review Nick . I've never use any goo or that kid of liquid .
I do however use krill , and aminos that I consider natural.
I use and used CC Moore for years now and am happy with the products .
In reply to Post #6
The South African guys usually bring a large selection of dips of various flavours and compositions.
Then fish actively, testing them one after another knowing full well that which one the fish prefer on that day will change from venue to venue, depending on season, temperature and other factors from day to day.
Very different style of fishing but seems to be effective.
The South African guys usually bring a large selection of dips of various flavours and compositions.
Then fish actively, testing them one after another knowing full well that which one the fish prefer on that day will change from venue to venue, depending on season, temperature and other factors from day to day.
Very different style of fishing but seems to be effective.
In reply to Post #1
never used it, never will
never used it, never will
In reply to Post #18
I was gonna say what if the goo fairy visits you whilst you sleep, but it echoes sort of more sinister than I intended 🤣
I was gonna say what if the goo fairy visits you whilst you sleep, but it echoes sort of more sinister than I intended 🤣
In reply to Post #19
In reply to Post #1
Like a lot of things in life, there are far too many variables to prove conclusively whether it works or not... I find it strange that (and I know Korda are linked with Mainline) if the bait used is so good why does it need pimped in the first place?
As a very cynical Yorkshireman I tend to lump Goos together with multiple varieties of pop ups, fuel additives, new golf clubs, whiter than white washing powders, suede shoe spray.... Snake oil etc...
Use them if you feel they work for you, all is good..if not save your money and buy better bait maybe.
Like a lot of things in life, there are far too many variables to prove conclusively whether it works or not... I find it strange that (and I know Korda are linked with Mainline) if the bait used is so good why does it need pimped in the first place?
As a very cynical Yorkshireman I tend to lump Goos together with multiple varieties of pop ups, fuel additives, new golf clubs, whiter than white washing powders, suede shoe spray.... Snake oil etc...
Use them if you feel they work for you, all is good..if not save your money and buy better bait maybe.
In reply to Post #21
What is Goo ? A sticky or slimy substance, that comes in any consistancy or colour.
Why is Goo generally scorned by the majority ? Is it because of the face behind the product ? The inclusion of fluorescein or another ploy to siphon your hard-earned ?
The majority, if not all, have at one time or another, incorporated a liquid into their baiting approach, to "increase attraction" of our hookbaits. This so-called "Goo" can come in various guises, but the decided and expected outcome is always the same Scoff one product but praise another is the norm ... each to their own.
Why shouldn´t Korda Goo work, if it contains :-
1- An investigative trigger
2- Stimulatory compound
The base or carrier is just that, whether for the visual aspect(colouring), either attracting the carp or the angler, or preferred viscosity. Remove the label, add some glycerol, dash of hydrolysate, afew drops of EO, liquid betaine, citric acid, and small amount of flavour(containing esters, phenols, lactones, ketones). Why shouldn´t that work, under optimal conditions ? If you the angler, believe that the intended outcome, be it ionization/ph shift or whatever, gives you confidence, then that´s all that matters.
The common angler is happy to bait a spot, with a spod mix incorporating various items, or use a pva bag with various pellets etc, then use a dedicated hookbait on the hair. Why use so many variables, if all you need is a bag of boilies, afew freebies from that bag, and a hookbait from that same bag ? Shouldn´t that suffice ? In this scenario, that boilie used has actually caught the carp, and nothing else. Using a bag/stick of various pellets surrounding your hookbait, isn´t a true reflection of what exactly attracted that carp into picking up your hookbait, as it´s impossible to pinpoint the initial and vital trigger that lead the carp to your hookbait, since there are so many variables in the close vicinity.
Soaking/washing out freebies is a common practice or "edge" that most anglers prefer, whether for appearance of being sat on the bottom for an extended period of time and softening up. What about initial levels of incorporated attraction, during the make up of that bait, being washed out during soaking, creating a somewhat slightly diminshed product losing attraction within a bucket, instead of direct application to the water medium, as intended ? Washing in liquids, in previously air-dried baits is a more viable option, imho.
Moral of the story ... "Nothing is true; everything is permitted"
The resulting consequence/conclusion is either positive or negative, for the right or wrong reason, despite or in spite of, as long as you the angler, chosoe which category that rocks your boat. 
What is Goo ? A sticky or slimy substance, that comes in any consistancy or colour.
Why is Goo generally scorned by the majority ? Is it because of the face behind the product ? The inclusion of fluorescein or another ploy to siphon your hard-earned ?
The majority, if not all, have at one time or another, incorporated a liquid into their baiting approach, to "increase attraction" of our hookbaits. This so-called "Goo" can come in various guises, but the decided and expected outcome is always the same
Scoff one product but praise another is the norm ... each to their own.Why shouldn´t Korda Goo work, if it contains :-
1- An investigative trigger
2- Stimulatory compound
The base or carrier is just that, whether for the visual aspect(colouring), either attracting the carp or the angler, or preferred viscosity. Remove the label, add some glycerol, dash of hydrolysate, afew drops of EO, liquid betaine, citric acid, and small amount of flavour(containing esters, phenols, lactones, ketones). Why shouldn´t that work, under optimal conditions ? If you the angler, believe that the intended outcome, be it ionization/ph shift or whatever, gives you confidence, then that´s all that matters.
The common angler is happy to bait a spot, with a spod mix incorporating various items, or use a pva bag with various pellets etc, then use a dedicated hookbait on the hair. Why use so many variables, if all you need is a bag of boilies, afew freebies from that bag, and a hookbait from that same bag ? Shouldn´t that suffice ? In this scenario, that boilie used has actually caught the carp, and nothing else. Using a bag/stick of various pellets surrounding your hookbait, isn´t a true reflection of what exactly attracted that carp into picking up your hookbait, as it´s impossible to pinpoint the initial and vital trigger that lead the carp to your hookbait, since there are so many variables in the close vicinity.
Soaking/washing out freebies is a common practice or "edge" that most anglers prefer, whether for appearance of being sat on the bottom for an extended period of time and softening up. What about initial levels of incorporated attraction, during the make up of that bait, being washed out during soaking, creating a somewhat slightly diminshed product losing attraction within a bucket, instead of direct application to the water medium, as intended ? Washing in liquids, in previously air-dried baits is a more viable option, imho.
Moral of the story ... "Nothing is true; everything is permitted"
The resulting consequence/conclusion is either positive or negative, for the right or wrong reason, despite or in spite of, as long as you the angler, chosoe which category that rocks your boat.
In reply to Post #22
An objective, fact based post suggesting not everything is set in stone? And in the bait section? In a thread about Goo?
Pigs fly past my window.
Top post Des!
An objective, fact based post suggesting not everything is set in stone? And in the bait section? In a thread about Goo?
Pigs fly past my window.
Top post Des!
In reply to Post #22
reason i dont use it is cause i dont want stained fingers, hands, trousers etc
reason i dont use it is cause i dont want stained fingers, hands, trousers etc
In reply to Post #23
Here's another:
You can never 100% put down bait as the reason you caught. only in very rare circumstances can you be almost certain it was the bait change that caught fish. You could change bait and catch instantly, but the fish could have not turned up until then or decided to feed until that point. Your recast may have landed better or not tangled. Time of day, conditions, location, etc. all come play in to when, where and how fish will feed. No day is EXACTLY the same to really compare to.
We can only use what we are confident in, initially that'll be on unfounded ideas. No matter who you ask, only you can see if it works for you, for how you fish and on the waters you fish.
Disclaimer: I dont want the bait thread nonsense to end so please ignore all the above
Here's another:
You can never 100% put down bait as the reason you caught. only in very rare circumstances can you be almost certain it was the bait change that caught fish. You could change bait and catch instantly, but the fish could have not turned up until then or decided to feed until that point. Your recast may have landed better or not tangled. Time of day, conditions, location, etc. all come play in to when, where and how fish will feed. No day is EXACTLY the same to really compare to.
We can only use what we are confident in, initially that'll be on unfounded ideas. No matter who you ask, only you can see if it works for you, for how you fish and on the waters you fish.
Disclaimer: I dont want the bait thread nonsense to end so please ignore all the above
In reply to Post #22
I don't think they're bothering with the hydros, and as for flavours containing all those compounds some do as you rightly say, others are compounded with far less.
Overall I just don't see goo as giving on viable food signals or being anything other than bait paint, which as I hinted below is a valid use. There are superior and cheaper products out there to stimulate feeding if we're being honest
I don't think they're bothering with the hydros, and as for flavours containing all those compounds some do as you rightly say, others are compounded with far less.
Overall I just don't see goo as giving on viable food signals or being anything other than bait paint, which as I hinted below is a valid use. There are superior and cheaper products out there to stimulate feeding if we're being honest
In reply to Post #26
Absolutely true, but i suppose the carping fraternity are one of the most gullible group of anglers, on the scene nowadays The majority strive to be top dog on the lake, and are in constant search of "the edge", for the wrong reason, most of the time. As long as the urge persists, then you´ll get your pants pulled down, trust me.
The bait industry adapts to that urge, and provides you the angler, with an alternative to vent or quench that thirst.
A quality bait is all you need, applied responsibly & in right location ,.. jobs a good ´un, and nature takes care of the rest.
A quality bait doesn´t need sugarcoating, or cost a fortune. The bait industry has to "follow the times" and keep evolving, ever slightly, to suit the needs of the angler, going through seasonal changes or urges. Be it ingredient or flavour of the month. Be honest now, which other genre of angling needs that many flavour variations available to the carper. Are they all necessary or just confidence boosters, at the end of the day, just like the Goo
The bait manufacturer has a business to run, and a market to satisfy, each individuals needs, be it a quality bait sold at reasonable price, or a little tub of "anti gravity bobby dazzlers", for 30-40quid If that´s what the punter wants, then that´s what the bait industry should offer, and not judged for it. You the individual, decides whether you wanna get your pants pulled down or not. All good fun in the end, as long as your ol´dutch doesn´t see the receipt.
Absolutely true, but i suppose the carping fraternity are one of the most gullible group of anglers, on the scene nowadays
The majority strive to be top dog on the lake, and are in constant search of "the edge", for the wrong reason, most of the time. As long as the urge persists, then you´ll get your pants pulled down, trust me.The bait industry adapts to that urge, and provides you the angler, with an alternative to vent or quench that thirst.
A quality bait is all you need, applied responsibly & in right location ,.. jobs a good ´un, and nature takes care of the rest.
A quality bait doesn´t need sugarcoating, or cost a fortune. The bait industry has to "follow the times" and keep evolving, ever slightly, to suit the needs of the angler, going through seasonal changes or urges. Be it ingredient or flavour of the month. Be honest now, which other genre of angling needs that many flavour variations available to the carper. Are they all necessary or just confidence boosters, at the end of the day, just like the Goo
The bait manufacturer has a business to run, and a market to satisfy, each individuals needs, be it a quality bait sold at reasonable price, or a little tub of "anti gravity bobby dazzlers", for 30-40quid
If that´s what the punter wants, then that´s what the bait industry should offer, and not judged for it. You the individual, decides whether you wanna get your pants pulled down or not. All good fun in the end, as long as your ol´dutch doesn´t see the receipt.
In reply to Post #22
& #26 Nuff said...
& #26 Nuff said...
In reply to Post #28
Long time, Ken & Sturla ... hope you guys are good & still getting out on the bank
Totally agree with you Mozzi There are cheaper & and better options out there, but unfortunately, the double-edged sword of digital marketing, somehow renders common sense obsolete, when the hard-earned is burning a hole in one´s pocket Cheaper options to the average angler, might be construed as a less effective/inferior product, if they haven´t done their research and don´t know exactly what they´re after.
Take the exact, same product ...eg yellow popups.
Tub 1 labelled "Company A - Pineapple Flavour" ... 8quid
Tub 2 labelled " Company B - Original Catchum Pineapple Fusion " ... 40quid
Explosive attractor package :-
- Pineapple Chunks, Pineapple Oil, Ester Pineapple, Scopex, Condensed Milk, Fructose powder, FruitStim, Minamino, Talin, Thaumatin, NHDC powder & liquid, DMPT, DMT, Protaste, Citric Acid, Butyric Acid, Betaine, PLUS a secret agent
How many would fork out the 40quid, without hesitation ?
Long time, Ken & Sturla ... hope you guys are good & still getting out on the bank
Totally agree with you Mozzi
There are cheaper & and better options out there, but unfortunately, the double-edged sword of digital marketing, somehow renders common sense obsolete, when the hard-earned is burning a hole in one´s pocket Cheaper options to the average angler, might be construed as a less effective/inferior product, if they haven´t done their research and don´t know exactly what they´re after. Take the exact, same product ...eg yellow popups.
Tub 1 labelled "Company A - Pineapple Flavour" ... 8quid
Tub 2 labelled " Company B - Original Catchum Pineapple Fusion " ... 40quid
Explosive attractor package :-
- Pineapple Chunks, Pineapple Oil, Ester Pineapple, Scopex, Condensed Milk, Fructose powder, FruitStim, Minamino, Talin, Thaumatin, NHDC powder & liquid, DMPT, DMT, Protaste, Citric Acid, Butyric Acid, Betaine, PLUS a secret agent
How many would fork out the 40quid, without hesitation ?
In reply to Post #24
It's not a lube.
It's not a lube.
In reply to Post #30
Multi-coloured bellend
Multi-coloured bellend
In reply to Post #29
I think what that particular company lacks is the experience in bait making and applied knowledge of the ingredients. It's not a simple as “put everything good in and it can't be bad”. - if you empty the contents of your spice rack into a curry paste it might be revolting despite the individual ingredients working.
Some things work synergistically and others seem to mute each other. I've seen tge atttactor lists on that site and some things definitely are being added as a marketing ploy as oppose to them having a genuine function within the bait.
Also I'm not being funny but if you have 15+ attractor elements inside a single pop up how many of them are at the correct level to work optimally?
90% of claims in the bait industry really don't hold up well to educated scrutiny lol.
Anyway it's gone waaaay off topic from the “goo”.
You can actually make really good liquid blends yourself that drizzled on a pva mesh bag or over boilies makes a phenomenal difference.
Even the ones that in the base of it are surprising, together can work synergistically,
Tomato ketchup and sunflower oil. Between then you have sugars, fats, acid, colour, swap out sunflower for canola and I know of a few pay lake anglers in the US that if still competitions would likely beat me for mentioning that lol.
I think what that particular company lacks is the experience in bait making and applied knowledge of the ingredients. It's not a simple as “put everything good in and it can't be bad”. - if you empty the contents of your spice rack into a curry paste it might be revolting despite the individual ingredients working.
Some things work synergistically and others seem to mute each other. I've seen tge atttactor lists on that site and some things definitely are being added as a marketing ploy as oppose to them having a genuine function within the bait.
Also I'm not being funny but if you have 15+ attractor elements inside a single pop up how many of them are at the correct level to work optimally?
90% of claims in the bait industry really don't hold up well to educated scrutiny lol.
Anyway it's gone waaaay off topic from the “goo”.
You can actually make really good liquid blends yourself that drizzled on a pva mesh bag or over boilies makes a phenomenal difference.
Even the ones that in the base of it are surprising, together can work synergistically,
Tomato ketchup and sunflower oil. Between then you have sugars, fats, acid, colour, swap out sunflower for canola and I know of a few pay lake anglers in the US that if still competitions would likely beat me for mentioning that lol.
In reply to Post #32
Good points, the obvious gets ignored in favour of the marketing.
Good points, the obvious gets ignored in favour of the marketing.
In reply to Post #32
Back to the Goo
Just remembered, a mate of mine decided to have a go at making his own DIY Goo, after seeing it on Utube. He was confident as Fcuk and believed 100% his concoction was a game changer. Acouple of days later, all his multi-coloured Goo squirters were stiff as plaster of paris
So, if price is a deciding factor, then head on over to Utube for a DIY tutorial Costs a shilling to make
Back to the Goo
Just remembered, a mate of mine decided to have a go at making his own DIY Goo, after seeing it on Utube. He was confident as Fcuk and believed 100% his concoction was a game changer. Acouple of days later, all his multi-coloured Goo squirters were stiff as plaster of paris So, if price is a deciding factor, then head on over to Utube for a DIY tutorial
Costs a shilling to make
In reply to Post #30
well i never ....thats where ive been going wrong then
well i never ....thats where ive been going wrong then
In reply to Post #32
“Tomato ketchup and sunflower oil. Between then you have sugars, fats, acid, colour, swap out sunflower for canola and I know of a few pay lake anglers in the US that if still competitions would likely beat me for mentioning that lol.”
Ah, Mozzi! I live in North Carolina, the epicenter of paylake fishing is 200 miles west of me.
The paylake anglers have been relocating wild carp into small pressured ponds for generations. The money that changes hands in their competitions is significant ( packbait and puff tactics).
I assure you that their flavour approach is way, way more sophisticated than anything in Europe.
But of course, all that sophistication it isn't needed in the wild waters....
I do play with canola and sunflower oil, though😁😁😁
“Tomato ketchup and sunflower oil. Between then you have sugars, fats, acid, colour, swap out sunflower for canola and I know of a few pay lake anglers in the US that if still competitions would likely beat me for mentioning that lol.”
Ah, Mozzi! I live in North Carolina, the epicenter of paylake fishing is 200 miles west of me.
The paylake anglers have been relocating wild carp into small pressured ponds for generations. The money that changes hands in their competitions is significant ( packbait and puff tactics).
I assure you that their flavour approach is way, way more sophisticated than anything in Europe.
But of course, all that sophistication it isn't needed in the wild waters....
I do play with canola and sunflower oil, though😁😁😁
In reply to Post #36
Most US flavours are shocking, I had huge swathes of samples sent to me, but then I think most flavours are.
Virtually none are compounded to attract carp, despite what certain “bait legends” might have us believe
Most US flavours are shocking, I had huge swathes of samples sent to me, but then I think most flavours are.
Virtually none are compounded to attract carp, despite what certain “bait legends” might have us believe
In reply to Post #37
i do consultancy for a very large flavour manufacture.....quite interesting when they have a "sale"
i do consultancy for a very large flavour manufacture.....quite interesting when they have a "sale"
In reply to Post #36
Can you spill the beans and enlighten us?
Can you spill the beans and enlighten us?
I have never found it to make a clear difference on bottom baits./ pop-ups but on floaters I have seen it make a huge positive difference.
In reply to Post #39
All I can say Ynnek ( I am not a Paylake angler) is that the poor fish that live in those paylakes have to choose which pile of packbait, and the associated corn puff from probably 50 or 60 rods in a 2 or 3 acre lake. So the winners of each hourly pot are those who select the right attractor.
There are several local paylake flavour attractor sellers (One-on baits etc etc.)
It is nothing like our carp fishing.
All I can say Ynnek ( I am not a Paylake angler) is that the poor fish that live in those paylakes have to choose which pile of packbait, and the associated corn puff from probably 50 or 60 rods in a 2 or 3 acre lake. So the winners of each hourly pot are those who select the right attractor.
There are several local paylake flavour attractor sellers (One-on baits etc etc.)
It is nothing like our carp fishing.
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