Hows this gonna pan out? Will Putin back down or will he go for it? I genuinely feel for the people of Ukraine, going about their daily business, then next thing preparing for all out war, very sad world we live in
In reply to Post #1
Get on Flightradar24, US B52's going over the Southwest of the UK most nights this week, 2 last night and 1 just now. you can also see unmanned US drones flying around Ukraine.
Loads of private jets flying West out of Ukraine in the last 48 hours too. The US must have an aircraft carrier somewhere Southeast of Malta seeing some of the aircraft flying around there.
Get on Flightradar24, US B52's going over the Southwest of the UK most nights this week, 2 last night and 1 just now. you can also see unmanned US drones flying around Ukraine.
Loads of private jets flying West out of Ukraine in the last 48 hours too. The US must have an aircraft carrier somewhere Southeast of Malta seeing some of the aircraft flying around there.
In reply to Post #1
A Northrop Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk currently flying around Ukraine right now.
A Northrop Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk currently flying around Ukraine right now.
Nothing going to happen except sanctions will be slightly lifted to make them leave the Ukrainian borders
In reply to Post #4
It's looking abit iffy now
It's looking abit iffy now
So now Putin has recognised the break away groups as now Russian territory, it's only a matter of time......
In reply to Post #6
Sanctions...
Targeting banks with Russian links. Luckily Rees Moggs investment firm sold their shares in Sberbank a few weeks ago... that's fortunate eh? Imagine if they'd been unaware of the potential to lose millions.
Obviously they're still benefitting from Russian gas and oil profits.
And Chinese pharmaceuticals...
Sanctions...
Targeting banks with Russian links. Luckily Rees Moggs investment firm sold their shares in Sberbank a few weeks ago... that's fortunate eh? Imagine if they'd been unaware of the potential to lose millions.
Obviously they're still benefitting from Russian gas and oil profits.
And Chinese pharmaceuticals...
They need to move the champions league final to another venue now , dont fancy being in russia !!!!
In reply to Post #8
Well it's well and truly kicked off. Been living in Slovakia for 2 years now and am not too far away . I love my continental fishing but not this much I don't think
Well it's well and truly kicked off. Been living in Slovakia for 2 years now and am not too far away . I love my continental fishing but not this much I don't think
In reply to Post #7
I work in the pharmaceutical industry and more and more companies are avoiding the likes of china and India and now what there drugs made in the UK or America. Our order books have went through the roof since our Indian owners sold us to a British company, we cant keep up and our order books are full for the next two years.
I work in the pharmaceutical industry and more and more companies are avoiding the likes of china and India and now what there drugs made in the UK or America. Our order books have went through the roof since our Indian owners sold us to a British company, we cant keep up and our order books are full for the next two years.
In reply to Post #9
Well, looks like war. Very sad state of affairs and I feel for the innocent people of the Ukraine, not a good situation at all killing their own people
Just send the SAS in and shoot that **** Putin. Quite clear he will not stop here either
See there are a few protesters in Moscow, I take my hat off to them but I feel for them too, poor souls, i am sure they will be dealt with in traditional Russian fashion
Well, looks like war. Very sad state of affairs and I feel for the innocent people of the Ukraine, not a good situation at all killing their own people
Just send the SAS in and shoot that **** Putin. Quite clear he will not stop here either
See there are a few protesters in Moscow, I take my hat off to them but I feel for them too, poor souls, i am sure they will be dealt with in traditional Russian fashion
In reply to Post #11
Very,very bad situation..
My daughters out that way,she coming home tomorrow 👍👍👍
Very,very bad situation..
My daughters out that way,she coming home tomorrow 👍👍👍
I cant imagine what they are going through, essentially anyone of fighting age has to fight, and alot will lose their lives because of some sadistic tw@t in Russia.
In reply to Post #12
Bloody hell Jeff, wish her a safe journey home
Bloody hell Jeff, wish her a safe journey home
In reply to Post #4
I think you should of done better research.
I think you should of done better research.
So what now? Obviously engaging the Russians will only bring armageddon to the world, Nato itself is very very strong, but I would doubt anyone will seriously want to be the one to say ok let's go and hit the Russians. The Ukrainians are asking for help and without it I cant see them holding out. The sanctions wont be a quick fix, so there will be some pretty dark days ahead.
In reply to Post #15
What are your thoughts on bordering countries . Not feeling good out here ay the moment
What are your thoughts on bordering countries . Not feeling good out here ay the moment
In reply to Post #17
Ukraine has long been on putins 'to do' list. It seems like he's fixed on restoring what he sees as the old soviet union. That in mind, I can't see him wanting to spread wider. But... who knows? He's a very big loose cannon.
Interested to hear Boris mentioning sberbank shares falling as a 'win' in his speech last night . Didn't mention that his mate Rees mogg sold his shares in it a few weeks back... Still looking after themselves first.
Ukraine has long been on putins 'to do' list. It seems like he's fixed on restoring what he sees as the old soviet union. That in mind, I can't see him wanting to spread wider. But... who knows? He's a very big loose cannon.
Interested to hear Boris mentioning sberbank shares falling as a 'win' in his speech last night . Didn't mention that his mate Rees mogg sold his shares in it a few weeks back... Still looking after themselves first.
In reply to Post #17
Someone who understood the Russian mindset, George Kennan said:
"The jealous and intolerant eye of the Kremlin can distinguish, in the end, only vassals and enemies, and the neighbors of Russia, if they do not wish to be one, must reconcile themselves to being the other.”
I see no change from those days to the Putin mindset unfortunately.
Someone who understood the Russian mindset, George Kennan said:
"The jealous and intolerant eye of the Kremlin can distinguish, in the end, only vassals and enemies, and the neighbors of Russia, if they do not wish to be one, must reconcile themselves to being the other.”
I see no change from those days to the Putin mindset unfortunately.
In reply to Post #18
You do talk ********.
Anyone can have shares in Russian companies, I've had them in my stocks and shares ISA at times. Secondly anyone with half a brain could see the writing on the wall and would of ditched anything that would attract sanctions.
And finally, do you know which companies/countries your teachers pension is invested in? No you dont.
Stick to what you know best marking the homework and playground duty rather than your Lefty agenda the majority have no time for.
You do talk ********.
Anyone can have shares in Russian companies, I've had them in my stocks and shares ISA at times. Secondly anyone with half a brain could see the writing on the wall and would of ditched anything that would attract sanctions.
And finally, do you know which companies/countries your teachers pension is invested in? No you dont.
Stick to what you know best marking the homework and playground duty rather than your Lefty agenda the majority have no time for.
I have a theory that Putin could well be in Ill heath, and that this is sort of one last push to have his memory go down in Russian folklore, and that the only way he could be stopped is to take him out directly, not sure whether Nato would have the stomach to do it, or the repercussions of doing it, just a theory though
In reply to Post #18
It's hardly insider information.
Selling is the sensible thing to do.
If I were into that sort of thing maybe now is the time to buy, they could shoot back up this time next year?
It's hardly insider information.
Selling is the sensible thing to do.
If I were into that sort of thing maybe now is the time to buy, they could shoot back up this time next year?
In reply to Post #20
Would 'have' ditched
C minus. Must do better.
Would 'have' ditched
C minus. Must do better.
In reply to Post #22
If we are all still here this time next year.
If we are all still here this time next year.
In reply to Post #24
Living in the capital I'll be vaporised instantly.
You lot will have a slow and painful death clutching you Sberbank shares
Living in the capital I'll be vaporised instantly.
You lot will have a slow and painful death clutching you Sberbank shares
In reply to Post #20
I would have made him stand in the comer facing the wall too, maybe wear the hat with the D on
I would have made him stand in the comer facing the wall too, maybe wear the hat with the D on
In reply to Post #25
By the looks of a few FB profiles off here it wont be the first time some get to shag a mutant.
By the looks of a few FB profiles off here it wont be the first time some get to shag a mutant.
One for the conspiracy theorists...
UK bans aeroflot
Russia responds saying its unfriendly
Russia bans British Airways planes from Russia airspace
Meanwhile... British Airways computer systems develop problems resulting in cancellation of flights...
Cyber tactics?
UK bans aeroflot
Russia responds saying its unfriendly
Russia bans British Airways planes from Russia airspace
Meanwhile... British Airways computer systems develop problems resulting in cancellation of flights...
Cyber tactics?
In reply to Post #28
I think you're probably right.
I think you're probably right.
In reply to Post #28
I would think their computer geeks have got bigger fish to fry than British Airways
I would think their computer geeks have got bigger fish to fry than British Airways
In reply to Post #30
I don't doubt it. And if the cyber warfare hype is to be believed then I expect they've got all bases covered. From BA to banks to whatever suits their purposes
Probably a more sophisticated operation than the Moscow version of the IT crowd...
I don't doubt it. And if the cyber warfare hype is to be believed then I expect they've got all bases covered. From BA to banks to whatever suits their purposes
Probably a more sophisticated operation than the Moscow version of the IT crowd...
All of what we're seeing happening in Ukraine is because of the West's constant meddling.
The invitation by Bush and Cheney in the 90's to Ukraine to join NATO after it's split from Russia. Aiding and abetting the overthrow of the pro Russian leader of Ukraine for a sock puppet of the West (read as American sock puppet) recent speeches by the current leader of Ukraine to have nuclear weapons and not a single voice piped up to stop such insanity... right on Russia's doorstep.
I'll pose the question here: how would we react in England if pro Russian forces were in Wales making the same noises that the Ukraine government are?
I would rather have seen Ukraine become a neutral country and Russian fears be alleviated and had not come to this point, it would have been the best outcome for everyone, but alas no, American interests must be served, right, right to the point of collapsing everything? By imposing all of these sanctions on Russia, ignoring their legitimate claims of security, the removal of Russian banks from the Swift system will not only move Russia away from Western banking - the Indians are setting up clearing houses to trade with Russia which will negate Swift altogether and have other countries like China swerve Swift also - the other important point is that having removed Russia from Swift, it will cause the collapse of the western system as we know it part due to the effects on sovereign debt which the Fed has been warning about; the ramifications of all of this are massive.
Something else worth noting is that when Russia does eventually take over Ukraine, from what I'm hearing, because the Russians are being pushed out of Western banking circles, Russia will hold all of the cards when it comes to agriculture. We could see the price of wheat going to 300% of it's current price. Right now because of what is happening in Ukraine, the price per bushel of wheat is at an all time high. So not only are we just recovering from the effects of COVID, the sky high prices on oil and gas, now food could go to the moon, all because the West just couldn't help themselves by poking the Bear with a sh4tty stick.
I've never understood why we have always treated Russia in the way that we have, after all, Russia was an ally in WWII that helped smash the Nazi war machine, instead, ever since WWII Russia has been the bad apple in the basket. Sure, Stalin was an insane lunatic and all that came with the Soviet era, I won't argue that, all the same, the sheer disrespect and bullying tactics shown to Russians over the years is to my mind possibly one of the worst things our elitist masters could have ever done; in essence, it's the West that has become a tyrannical force imposing it's will on others wether they like it or not and care not one jott of the repercussions to a large extent.
The invitation by Bush and Cheney in the 90's to Ukraine to join NATO after it's split from Russia. Aiding and abetting the overthrow of the pro Russian leader of Ukraine for a sock puppet of the West (read as American sock puppet) recent speeches by the current leader of Ukraine to have nuclear weapons and not a single voice piped up to stop such insanity... right on Russia's doorstep.
I'll pose the question here: how would we react in England if pro Russian forces were in Wales making the same noises that the Ukraine government are?
I would rather have seen Ukraine become a neutral country and Russian fears be alleviated and had not come to this point, it would have been the best outcome for everyone, but alas no, American interests must be served, right, right to the point of collapsing everything? By imposing all of these sanctions on Russia, ignoring their legitimate claims of security, the removal of Russian banks from the Swift system will not only move Russia away from Western banking - the Indians are setting up clearing houses to trade with Russia which will negate Swift altogether and have other countries like China swerve Swift also - the other important point is that having removed Russia from Swift, it will cause the collapse of the western system as we know it part due to the effects on sovereign debt which the Fed has been warning about; the ramifications of all of this are massive.
Something else worth noting is that when Russia does eventually take over Ukraine, from what I'm hearing, because the Russians are being pushed out of Western banking circles, Russia will hold all of the cards when it comes to agriculture. We could see the price of wheat going to 300% of it's current price. Right now because of what is happening in Ukraine, the price per bushel of wheat is at an all time high. So not only are we just recovering from the effects of COVID, the sky high prices on oil and gas, now food could go to the moon, all because the West just couldn't help themselves by poking the Bear with a sh4tty stick.
I've never understood why we have always treated Russia in the way that we have, after all, Russia was an ally in WWII that helped smash the Nazi war machine, instead, ever since WWII Russia has been the bad apple in the basket. Sure, Stalin was an insane lunatic and all that came with the Soviet era, I won't argue that, all the same, the sheer disrespect and bullying tactics shown to Russians over the years is to my mind possibly one of the worst things our elitist masters could have ever done; in essence, it's the West that has become a tyrannical force imposing it's will on others wether they like it or not and care not one jott of the repercussions to a large extent.
Here's Putin's reasoning as to why he has acted the way he has...
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/02/24/here-is-the-full-text-of-putins-speech-this-morning-feb-24-2022/
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/02/24/here-is-the-full-text-of-putins-speech-this-morning-feb-24-2022/
In reply to Post #32
Salisbury.
Salisbury.
In reply to Post #34
And what's that got to do with NATO and possibly nukes parked right next door to Russia?
Stay on point and don't stray.
And what's that got to do with NATO and possibly nukes parked right next door to Russia?
Stay on point and don't stray.
This is worth a look if you are wondering how this developed.
https://theconversation.com/how-putin-used-propaganda-to-deftly-turn-russians-against-ukrainians-81376
https://theconversation.com/how-putin-used-propaganda-to-deftly-turn-russians-against-ukrainians-81376
In reply to Post #24
we might not be yet.....
we might not be yet.....
In reply to Post #32
It's always someones elses fault. The bloke is an absolute fruitcake. He knew exactly what Nato would do if he invaded the Ukraine, this wasnt done on a whim this would have been years in the making, so what Nato have done is not a surprise.
Now that his best paratroopers and special elite have let him down, he is ratcheting up the anti, forget all the ******** of missiles on doorsteps, as the USA and Russia are only split by a body of water of 40 miles, he is now well and truly throwing his toys out the pram, and when that happens by someone who is as deranged as him it could be a dangerous place for the world. Even if he uses a nuke on someone, he knows he'll have nukes thrown back at him, some humans are vile, him more than most
It's always someones elses fault. The bloke is an absolute fruitcake. He knew exactly what Nato would do if he invaded the Ukraine, this wasnt done on a whim this would have been years in the making, so what Nato have done is not a surprise.
Now that his best paratroopers and special elite have let him down, he is ratcheting up the anti, forget all the ******** of missiles on doorsteps, as the USA and Russia are only split by a body of water of 40 miles, he is now well and truly throwing his toys out the pram, and when that happens by someone who is as deranged as him it could be a dangerous place for the world. Even if he uses a nuke on someone, he knows he'll have nukes thrown back at him, some humans are vile, him more than most
In reply to Post #38
He won't push the button,as much as a complete fckin loon he is he knows if he did Russia would be obliterated. as for India backing him,wtf they going to do chuck cricket balls at us..
In reply to Post #38
Becareful he might be watching you
Becareful he might be watching you
In reply to Post #40
India, Pakistan, China, the UAE/Gulf States, tentatively Brazil, Kazakhstan to name a few.
India as I've said are setting up a system right now to bypass Swift. Once it's up and running, it's all fugged. Find out yourself elsewhere for detailed info. This is huge.
India, Pakistan, China, the UAE/Gulf States, tentatively Brazil, Kazakhstan to name a few.
India as I've said are setting up a system right now to bypass Swift. Once it's up and running, it's all fugged. Find out yourself elsewhere for detailed info. This is huge.
In reply to Post #42
The only thing the uae will worry about is losing all the toms that work out there..its full of Russian brasses, and built on dirty money. wouldn't be surprised this years World Cup goes tits up and cancelled...Brazil,no idea..aint they all stoned oe coked up..
The only thing the uae will worry about is losing all the toms that work out there..its full of Russian brasses, and built on dirty money. wouldn't be surprised this years World Cup goes tits up and cancelled...Brazil,no idea..aint they all stoned oe coked up..
In reply to Post #42
You better get suited up and go sort it out Rambo style
You better get suited up and go sort it out Rambo style
In reply to Post #42
what Internet cafe are India setting that up in?
what Internet cafe are India setting that up in?
In reply to Post #44
Charging my Iron Man suit up as I type.
This could have all been avoided, yet the maniacs dictating in our European countries and the US have clearly proven to be the school yard bullies/World Police that they are. For years Russia took being poked in the eyes, now it's abundantly clear to anyone that they have had enough of it and are taking steps to address their genuinely held grievances. Russia will suffer inflation due to having their central bank targeted by way of sanctions, which if the analysts are correct, they'll be able to ride it out, for example their stockpiles of gold which they've been buying up for a long time now which will come in to play to help offset any difficulties.
We will suffer, the price of oil/gas/food is going to rocket, some unfortunately are going to be hit really hard, all because they (our overlords) decided to go at Russia full steam ahead.
There is hope, hope that some sort of agreement can be thrashed out and that the Ukrainian government will come to it's senses and go the way of being a neutral country as I've previously suggested.
I didn't think that Russia would ever invade Ukraine, that came as a huge surprise to me that they did, the fact that Putin has now said that he's essentially hovering over the nuclear buttons, our misleaders need to take him very seriously indeed. We're all at a very frightening juncture in time, one would hope that the fools running our countries don't make any fatal mistakes that could get us all killed.
Charging my Iron Man suit up as I type.
This could have all been avoided, yet the maniacs dictating in our European countries and the US have clearly proven to be the school yard bullies/World Police that they are. For years Russia took being poked in the eyes, now it's abundantly clear to anyone that they have had enough of it and are taking steps to address their genuinely held grievances. Russia will suffer inflation due to having their central bank targeted by way of sanctions, which if the analysts are correct, they'll be able to ride it out, for example their stockpiles of gold which they've been buying up for a long time now which will come in to play to help offset any difficulties.
We will suffer, the price of oil/gas/food is going to rocket, some unfortunately are going to be hit really hard, all because they (our overlords) decided to go at Russia full steam ahead.
There is hope, hope that some sort of agreement can be thrashed out and that the Ukrainian government will come to it's senses and go the way of being a neutral country as I've previously suggested.
I didn't think that Russia would ever invade Ukraine, that came as a huge surprise to me that they did, the fact that Putin has now said that he's essentially hovering over the nuclear buttons, our misleaders need to take him very seriously indeed. We're all at a very frightening juncture in time, one would hope that the fools running our countries don't make any fatal mistakes that could get us all killed.
In reply to Post #46
We will be fine ffs,we have got Boris at the wheel
We will be fine ffs,we have got Boris at the wheel
In reply to Post #46
Again utter tosh, no one has been poking anyone, weve been living in europe in pretty much perfect harmony, except russia invading the Crimea, and russia invading the provinces of Ukraine, and now a full scale invasion of Ukraine. Blame the west as much as you want, but, theres no missiles, no war that Putin want you to believe in, that's no Nato, it believes in peace, in fact they've done particularly well not to sanction russia for their 2 invasions of Ukraine. One person is responsible for what is going on, and now in my view needs to be eliminated by whatever means
Again utter tosh, no one has been poking anyone, weve been living in europe in pretty much perfect harmony, except russia invading the Crimea, and russia invading the provinces of Ukraine, and now a full scale invasion of Ukraine. Blame the west as much as you want, but, theres no missiles, no war that Putin want you to believe in, that's no Nato, it believes in peace, in fact they've done particularly well not to sanction russia for their 2 invasions of Ukraine. One person is responsible for what is going on, and now in my view needs to be eliminated by whatever means
In reply to Post #46
The nuke button is just a threat, its a front to **** nato up and step back..that spineless git doesn't care who gets killed its why his sent in his weakest first, wait a while then he will send in his trained lot..hence chaos..
The nuke button is just a threat, its a front to **** nato up and step back..that spineless git doesn't care who gets killed its why his sent in his weakest first, wait a while then he will send in his trained lot..hence chaos..
Wondered how long it would be before the sympathisers arrived.
Russia has been "cleansing" the Ukraine for centuries.
He has invaded without the full backing of his military in a half cocked manner with inexperienced personnel who are throwing down their arms because they refuse to kill their neighbours. Over 4000 dead or injured after being met with a very stiff and under estimated Ukrainian army.
He has no chance of winning in this manner against 30 million people armed with guns and superior grit in a guerrilla war through the streets of Ukraine. The only way he will win is to bomb the granny out of it. If he chooses that way he will continue to alienate Russia from the rest of the world.
He is embarrassing Russia in the eyes of the world. The citizens will eventually no longer stand for it. You can bet your life that even within his circle there are people plotting to have him 'removed.'
He is a dead man walking!
Russia has been "cleansing" the Ukraine for centuries.
He has invaded without the full backing of his military in a half cocked manner with inexperienced personnel who are throwing down their arms because they refuse to kill their neighbours. Over 4000 dead or injured after being met with a very stiff and under estimated Ukrainian army.
He has no chance of winning in this manner against 30 million people armed with guns and superior grit in a guerrilla war through the streets of Ukraine. The only way he will win is to bomb the granny out of it. If he chooses that way he will continue to alienate Russia from the rest of the world.
He is embarrassing Russia in the eyes of the world. The citizens will eventually no longer stand for it. You can bet your life that even within his circle there are people plotting to have him 'removed.'
He is a dead man walking!
In reply to Post #50
You can post as many pictures as you want, but no one else is trying to invade the Ukraine and killing their citizens
You can post as many pictures as you want, but no one else is trying to invade the Ukraine and killing their citizens
In reply to Post #51
You mistake empathy for sympathy.
You claim 30mil are armed, really, where did you get that little factoid from?
It's funny reading people's views and opinions. It's easy to see where their ideas that they espouse are forged.
You mistake empathy for sympathy.
You claim 30mil are armed, really, where did you get that little factoid from?
It's funny reading people's views and opinions. It's easy to see where their ideas that they espouse are forged.
In reply to Post #53
are you fcking English?
are you fcking English?
All the covid thread experts are now military masterminds that know how this is going to pan out
In reply to Post #54
None of your business.
None of your business.
First off the whole thing stinks.
As always, innocent people killed and lives ruined because of selfish, greedy politicians.
Putin is a bully and a warmonger. And he has been allowed to be for years by a series of British, US and European governments who have not just facilitated his behaviour but have actively rewarded it.
Make no mistake about what's behind the 'outrage ' from various world leaders. It's about money and resources. Russia and Ukraine are responsible for a huge percentage of oil, gas and wheat production and supply. On the basic hierarchy of needs we are talking about warmth and sustenance. So putin wants to control more of it. And others don't want him to.
The stance / sanctions/ sending of 'lethal aid' isn't about protecting people. If it was, then Boris, Biden and the rest wouldn't stand by while war and the wider effects continue to destroy lives in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen etc.
We can only hope that putin doesn't completely lose it and actually use a nuclear weapon.
No point us all arguing about it here. Pray for the people of Ukraine and for the 'leaders' to see some sense.
As always, innocent people killed and lives ruined because of selfish, greedy politicians.
Putin is a bully and a warmonger. And he has been allowed to be for years by a series of British, US and European governments who have not just facilitated his behaviour but have actively rewarded it.
Make no mistake about what's behind the 'outrage ' from various world leaders. It's about money and resources. Russia and Ukraine are responsible for a huge percentage of oil, gas and wheat production and supply. On the basic hierarchy of needs we are talking about warmth and sustenance. So putin wants to control more of it. And others don't want him to.
The stance / sanctions/ sending of 'lethal aid' isn't about protecting people. If it was, then Boris, Biden and the rest wouldn't stand by while war and the wider effects continue to destroy lives in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen etc.
We can only hope that putin doesn't completely lose it and actually use a nuclear weapon.
No point us all arguing about it here. Pray for the people of Ukraine and for the 'leaders' to see some sense.
In reply to Post #57
Agreed absolute nothing we can do about it on here, just hope the sanctions are big enough for the Russian people to oust Putin, as no one else can
Agreed absolute nothing we can do about it on here, just hope the sanctions are big enough for the Russian people to oust Putin, as no one else can
In reply to Post #57
It's not something I know enough about to have a valid opinion. Though you wouldn't find me at the front of the queue congratulating the Ukrainian response of pissing off a nuclear superpower and endangering the entire world population.
It's not something I know enough about to have a valid opinion. Though you wouldn't find me at the front of the queue congratulating the Ukrainian response of pissing off a nuclear superpower and endangering the entire world population.
In reply to Post #59
But if you was Ukrainian you'd have to fight for your country regardless of what will happen in the future, everything you've ever know is under threat, regardless of the nuclear threat you have to take the short term first, which is defend your country
But if you was Ukrainian you'd have to fight for your country regardless of what will happen in the future, everything you've ever know is under threat, regardless of the nuclear threat you have to take the short term first, which is defend your country
In reply to Post #60
If I were Ukrainian I'd have left before, or certainly at the start of the current conflict.
What will all those women and children have to come back to when the soldiers/armed civilians are all dead and the schools, hospitals, homes and infrastructure are all obliterated?
I'm not sure what the difference is between watching Ukrainian people be slaughtered and nuking the living **** out of Russia to hopefully kill Putin at the cost of Russian civilian lives.
As I've said I don't know enough to comment on finer details but resistance seems pretty futile tbh. The option was there to walk away with nothing but their lives, instead they stand to lose everything but their pride.. which is no good when you're 6 feet under the ground
If I were Ukrainian I'd have left before, or certainly at the start of the current conflict.
What will all those women and children have to come back to when the soldiers/armed civilians are all dead and the schools, hospitals, homes and infrastructure are all obliterated?
I'm not sure what the difference is between watching Ukrainian people be slaughtered and nuking the living **** out of Russia to hopefully kill Putin at the cost of Russian civilian lives.
As I've said I don't know enough to comment on finer details but resistance seems pretty futile tbh. The option was there to walk away with nothing but their lives, instead they stand to lose everything but their pride.. which is no good when you're 6 feet under the ground
In reply to Post #61
But they arent necessarily fighting for their lives, they are fighting for their way of life, fighting for their children and their children children, they know what itll be like if the Russians gain control, you only have to look at the protests in russia to know what itll be like, literally everyone is bearing arms from the president to the standard citizen.
But they arent necessarily fighting for their lives, they are fighting for their way of life, fighting for their children and their children children, they know what itll be like if the Russians gain control, you only have to look at the protests in russia to know what itll be like, literally everyone is bearing arms from the president to the standard citizen.
In reply to Post #35
Nothing to do with NATO and nothing to do with nukes. Just a little reminder to all those that want to try and defend a Russian government that is currently killing innocent people.
I'm guessing though that now COVID hasn't really produced the outcome you were expecting this is now the next conspiracy.......
Nothing to do with NATO and nothing to do with nukes. Just a little reminder to all those that want to try and defend a Russian government that is currently killing innocent people.
I'm guessing though that now COVID hasn't really produced the outcome you were expecting this is now the next conspiracy.......
In reply to Post #62
I get it. But what happens when it finally settles and the entire country is still armed?
Sorry, arming civilians and inviting people to fight is not for me.
I get it. But what happens when it finally settles and the entire country is still armed?
Sorry, arming civilians and inviting people to fight is not for me.
In reply to Post #64
The exact same would happen on these island's Noj if we faced an invading land army. Good on the Ukrainians and long may they keep smacking Putin straight on the nose.
The exact same would happen on these island's Noj if we faced an invading land army. Good on the Ukrainians and long may they keep smacking Putin straight on the nose.
In reply to Post #65
I'd be in the woods living off roach and squirrels wearing the full Russian football strip
I'd be in the woods living off roach and squirrels wearing the full Russian football strip
In reply to Post #65
I think you might be overestimating the average brit there...
I'd expect most to start complaining that it was an infringement of their human rights to be expected to fight for their country and 'what about the long term effects?' And 'mental health' and 'it's not my problem ' and .....
Or am I being cynical?
I think you might be overestimating the average brit there...
I'd expect most to start complaining that it was an infringement of their human rights to be expected to fight for their country and 'what about the long term effects?' And 'mental health' and 'it's not my problem ' and .....
Or am I being cynical?
In reply to Post #67
You going set up a group Mal,The Carpforum Freedom Fighters
You going set up a group Mal,The Carpforum Freedom Fighters
In reply to Post #63
Taken from my linked article of Putin's Empire of Lies speech
"I will begin with what I said in my address on February 21, 2022. I spoke about our biggest concerns and worries, and about the fundamental threats which irresponsible Western politicians created for Russia consistently, rudely and unceremoniously from year to year. I am referring to the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border.
It is a fact that over the past 30 years we have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail, while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.
Why is this happening? Where did this insolent manner of talking down from the height of their exceptionalism, infallibility and all-permissiveness come from? What is the explanation for this contemptuous and disdainful attitude to our interests and absolutely legitimate demands?"
Taken from my linked article of Putin's Empire of Lies speech
"I will begin with what I said in my address on February 21, 2022. I spoke about our biggest concerns and worries, and about the fundamental threats which irresponsible Western politicians created for Russia consistently, rudely and unceremoniously from year to year. I am referring to the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border.
It is a fact that over the past 30 years we have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail, while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.
Why is this happening? Where did this insolent manner of talking down from the height of their exceptionalism, infallibility and all-permissiveness come from? What is the explanation for this contemptuous and disdainful attitude to our interests and absolutely legitimate demands?"
In reply to Post #69
what side of the fence (border ) do you sit on ?
what side of the fence (border ) do you sit on ?
In reply to Post #70
Ukraine to become a neutral country would be the best outcom for everyone.
Unfortunately, despite the current peace talks going on, I've seen news that the leader of Ukraine has just signed the paperwork asking to join the EU. If these news reports turn out to be true, this could turn in to a real sh4tshow, not like it isn't already.
I think it was a mistake of Putin to invade Ukraine, although, I can see why he and his cabinet gave it the green light. As I've said before and will continue to do so, all of this could have been avoided if Western powers would have taken Russian concerns into account and acted positively and constructively to resolve Russian serious agitations.
Ukraine to become a neutral country would be the best outcom for everyone.
Unfortunately, despite the current peace talks going on, I've seen news that the leader of Ukraine has just signed the paperwork asking to join the EU. If these news reports turn out to be true, this could turn in to a real sh4tshow, not like it isn't already.
I think it was a mistake of Putin to invade Ukraine, although, I can see why he and his cabinet gave it the green light. As I've said before and will continue to do so, all of this could have been avoided if Western powers would have taken Russian concerns into account and acted positively and constructively to resolve Russian serious agitations.
In reply to Post #69
It's not up to Putin to decide other countries foreign policies, and certainly not an all out war with a country that doesn't agree with his agenda, regardless what he has said about Nato and the US, what he is doing now is inexcusable
It's not up to Putin to decide other countries foreign policies, and certainly not an all out war with a country that doesn't agree with his agenda, regardless what he has said about Nato and the US, what he is doing now is inexcusable
In reply to Post #72
It's a bit more complicated than what you allude to. Take for instance the pro Russian leader of Ukraine that was ousted by America essentially and installed their current puppet and the likes within the Ukrainian Government, I mean, in 2014 when the pro Russian bloke got toppled, an American was put in charge (non Ukrainian decent) of Ukrainian finance - Natalie Jaresko. Ukraine is being played by America.
I'll not justify what Putin has done, although I can grasp why he has acted as he has. You've also got to consider that Ukraine is the birth place of the Slavic people and was the capital of the greater Russia before the capital was moved to Moscow. 50% of the people speak Russian.
Again, as I've already alluded to, how would England and the powers that run England react if pro Russian forces were rocked up in Wales?
Edited to add: when America and it's "allies" - the later read as pawns - invaded Iraq despite no UN resolution to do so, where was the united condemnation, the sanctions, the limiting of flight paths, the same with Afghanistan, Syria, Libya...you name it?
Correction: Ukrainian finance minister in 2014 wasn't Janet Newland, it was in fact Natalie Jaresko.
It's a bit more complicated than what you allude to. Take for instance the pro Russian leader of Ukraine that was ousted by America essentially and installed their current puppet and the likes within the Ukrainian Government, I mean, in 2014 when the pro Russian bloke got toppled, an American was put in charge (non Ukrainian decent) of Ukrainian finance - Natalie Jaresko. Ukraine is being played by America.
I'll not justify what Putin has done, although I can grasp why he has acted as he has. You've also got to consider that Ukraine is the birth place of the Slavic people and was the capital of the greater Russia before the capital was moved to Moscow. 50% of the people speak Russian.
Again, as I've already alluded to, how would England and the powers that run England react if pro Russian forces were rocked up in Wales?
Edited to add: when America and it's "allies" - the later read as pawns - invaded Iraq despite no UN resolution to do so, where was the united condemnation, the sanctions, the limiting of flight paths, the same with Afghanistan, Syria, Libya...you name it?
Correction: Ukrainian finance minister in 2014 wasn't Janet Newland, it was in fact Natalie Jaresko.
In reply to Post #68
Yeah. Me, you, noj and tazi's builders
You can do the fighting. I'll do hair and make up. Noj is on public relations and tazi's builders are on the new infrastructure project after we get beat. That'll teach them.
Yeah. Me, you, noj and tazi's builders
You can do the fighting. I'll do hair and make up. Noj is on public relations and tazi's builders are on the new infrastructure project after we get beat. That'll teach them.
In reply to Post #73
But hes complaining about having Nato missiles on his doorstep, but yet invades a country which borders Poland, which has Nato missiles, it's very odd logic dont you think?
But hes complaining about having Nato missiles on his doorstep, but yet invades a country which borders Poland, which has Nato missiles, it's very odd logic dont you think?
In reply to Post #71
Unless you've been in another galaxy for the last 20 years Putin has done plenty of expansion at the barrel of a gun. Permanent military port and facilities in the Med at Latakia, Syria A reward for propping up another dictator with Russian firepower Assad. Georgia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Chechnya, Armenia etc all had Russian boots on the ground to influence the direction of the populations. Mali, Mozambique, CAR etc all crawling with armed Russians under the mercenary banner of the Wagner group (controlled ultimately by Putin)
Luhansk, Donetsk for the last 8 years with hardly an attempt at hiding their presence.
His fight is against democracy getting nearer to Russian borders. There's no excuses for him TC and apologists for him are as bad.
Edit for your edit in #73:
All those you mention are/were dictators, religious fanatics living in a kleptocracy. Hardly the worlds finest.
Unless you've been in another galaxy for the last 20 years Putin has done plenty of expansion at the barrel of a gun. Permanent military port and facilities in the Med at Latakia, Syria A reward for propping up another dictator with Russian firepower Assad. Georgia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Chechnya, Armenia etc all had Russian boots on the ground to influence the direction of the populations. Mali, Mozambique, CAR etc all crawling with armed Russians under the mercenary banner of the Wagner group (controlled ultimately by Putin)
Luhansk, Donetsk for the last 8 years with hardly an attempt at hiding their presence.
His fight is against democracy getting nearer to Russian borders. There's no excuses for him TC and apologists for him are as bad.
Edit for your edit in #73:
All those you mention are/were dictators, religious fanatics living in a kleptocracy. Hardly the worlds finest.
In reply to Post #69
If Putin has a problem with NATO then surly he should be fighting them? He is a coward and a bully and defending him in anyway is disgusting.
If Putin has a problem with NATO then surly he should be fighting them? He is a coward and a bully and defending him in anyway is disgusting.
In reply to Post #74
In reply to Post #71
Putin couldn't even beat the afghans,,,as for him asking the uae to come on board id think the Royal Marines would have a say in that..
Putin couldn't even beat the afghans,,,as for him asking the uae to come on board id think the Royal Marines would have a say in that..
In reply to Post #76
Nice try
Georgia war: 224 dead
Kazakhstan: allies of Russia
Belarus: allies of Russia
Chechnya war II: 25,000 to 200,000 civilian dead plus 8,000 to 40,000 Russian military
Armenia: allies of Russia
Now let's look at just one war the US & friends took part in some 19 years or so ago shall we...
The last time I looked (years ago) Iraq 1.5 million dead as a result of the illegal invasion that took place on a lie of Weapons of Mass Destruction. No-one would say that Saddam was Mr nice, that was for the people of his country to decide his outcome or an international court, not the US and friends with their liberal sprinkling around the place of dupleted uranium, insurgents all over the show, millions of displaced peoples...shall I continue?
Libya for instance was a fully functional society, Libyans had a high standard of living due to their near sweet oil, Gaddafi was bonkers, there's no denying that, although he was a convenient friend of the UK when they needed him for some bidding, that was until he (Gaddafi) wanted to create an African denomination that would be a rival to the petrodollar, and just like that, he was dead.
Syria has always been allied to Russia, Russia was invited in to help stem the pro western backed forces smashing the country to pieces, hell, even Israel got in on the act and was treating ISIS wounded terrorists in Israeli hospitals much to the horror of senior Israeli army generals...if memory serves me correctly that was posted in Jerusalem Post May 15th 2015.
Nice try
Georgia war: 224 dead
Kazakhstan: allies of Russia
Belarus: allies of Russia
Chechnya war II: 25,000 to 200,000 civilian dead plus 8,000 to 40,000 Russian military
Armenia: allies of Russia
Now let's look at just one war the US & friends took part in some 19 years or so ago shall we...
The last time I looked (years ago) Iraq 1.5 million dead as a result of the illegal invasion that took place on a lie of Weapons of Mass Destruction. No-one would say that Saddam was Mr nice, that was for the people of his country to decide his outcome or an international court, not the US and friends with their liberal sprinkling around the place of dupleted uranium, insurgents all over the show, millions of displaced peoples...shall I continue?
Libya for instance was a fully functional society, Libyans had a high standard of living due to their near sweet oil, Gaddafi was bonkers, there's no denying that, although he was a convenient friend of the UK when they needed him for some bidding, that was until he (Gaddafi) wanted to create an African denomination that would be a rival to the petrodollar, and just like that, he was dead.
Syria has always been allied to Russia, Russia was invited in to help stem the pro western backed forces smashing the country to pieces, hell, even Israel got in on the act and was treating ISIS wounded terrorists in Israeli hospitals much to the horror of senior Israeli army generals...if memory serves me correctly that was posted in Jerusalem Post May 15th 2015.
In reply to Post #80
I guess you have been in another galaxy then.
Allies or vassel states? My answer it seems will differ from your's which I'm pleased about
I guess you have been in another galaxy then.
Allies or vassel states? My answer it seems will differ from your's which I'm pleased about
In reply to Post #79
Putin didn't fight the Afghans, the Russians were asked in the 70's by the barely functional government of Afghanistan to help them with the waring warlords. The Americans helped form, fund and arm the Afghan Mujahideen (Mujahideen, then became Al Qaeda, then became ISIS) which was codenamed Operation Cyclone and the brainchild of Zbigniew Brzezinski to use as proxies to fight the Russians.
Putin didn't fight the Afghans, the Russians were asked in the 70's by the barely functional government of Afghanistan to help them with the waring warlords. The Americans helped form, fund and arm the Afghan Mujahideen (Mujahideen, then became Al Qaeda, then became ISIS) which was codenamed Operation Cyclone and the brainchild of Zbigniew Brzezinski to use as proxies to fight the Russians.
In reply to Post #81
Lol, what are the Germans, the French, the British for instance to America = vassal states/sock puppets.
You only have to scratch the surface to see who's pulling the strings with what's going on in Ukraine.
Lol, what are the Germans, the French, the British for instance to America = vassal states/sock puppets.
You only have to scratch the surface to see who's pulling the strings with what's going on in Ukraine.
Hi All,
Interesting thread.
Pity the West is only prioritising Russia with sanctions.
Oligarchs and vors operate throughout the region, and yes, there are both Ukrainian Oligarchs and vors as much as Russia has in the region as does Belarus.
Pumping God knows how much currency into such a corrupt region for me beggars belief. Ethiopia? (Charity donations could have bought the country 3 times over)
My friends and family are being bombed and threatened, I wear the poppy every year, and I'm pretty sure the slogan is "lest we forget"
That's me done
Best
Jon
Interesting thread.
Pity the West is only prioritising Russia with sanctions.
Oligarchs and vors operate throughout the region, and yes, there are both Ukrainian Oligarchs and vors as much as Russia has in the region as does Belarus.
Pumping God knows how much currency into such a corrupt region for me beggars belief. Ethiopia? (Charity donations could have bought the country 3 times over)
My friends and family are being bombed and threatened, I wear the poppy every year, and I'm pretty sure the slogan is "lest we forget"
That's me done
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #83
They're free to choose the leaders and direction they want so independent sovereign nation's. Unlike your Russian "allies" populations you hang your hat on.
They're free to choose the leaders and direction they want so independent sovereign nation's. Unlike your Russian "allies" populations you hang your hat on.
In reply to Post #83
explain that then...?
explain that then...?
In reply to Post #82
and why you support the Russians maybe look into omen and see what the uk arms have over there and with their backing..
and why you support the Russians maybe look into omen and see what the uk arms have over there and with their backing..
In reply to Post #85
They may well choose their leader's, the leader's on the other hand regardless of party affiliation and nigh on to a man without exception parrot the same unified uni-script.
They may well choose their leader's, the leader's on the other hand regardless of party affiliation and nigh on to a man without exception parrot the same unified uni-script.
In reply to Post #86
Explain what' exactly?
I think you are mistaking my posts as support for Russia, far from it. All I'm trying to attempt to do is to give a balanced perspective to the conversation.
Explain what' exactly?
I think you are mistaking my posts as support for Russia, far from it. All I'm trying to attempt to do is to give a balanced perspective to the conversation.
In reply to Post #89
Balanced view ...
This is carp forum lol
Balanced view ...
This is carp forum lol
Not entirely surprising...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/british-people-ukraine-refugees-prime-minister
To simplify 'flee Ukraine.... but don't come here' ...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/british-people-ukraine-refugees-prime-minister
To simplify 'flee Ukraine.... but don't come here' ...
In reply to Post #91
These people care little or anything for others suffering on all sides, just to play their silly games. Sociopaths and psychopaths.
These people care little or anything for others suffering on all sides, just to play their silly games. Sociopaths and psychopaths.
In reply to Post #89
For which audience and where is the evidence you can give a balanced perspective TC? You?
For which audience and where is the evidence you can give a balanced perspective TC? You?
Saw a good phrase regarding war comments on social media.
'Look at me cynicism '.
'Look at me cynicism '.
Spin up the nukes and let's get it over with FFS
Then we can start again living in peace with a serious suntan .
Also that column of tanks artillery and ammo stretching 40 miles is gagging for a multiple drone strike
Then we can start again living in peace with a serious suntan .
Also that column of tanks artillery and ammo stretching 40 miles is gagging for a multiple drone strike
Interesting facts
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
56 million defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control:
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are "citizens". Without them, we are "subjects".
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER!
DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!
It's time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.
You're not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people.
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
56 million defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control:
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are "citizens". Without them, we are "subjects".
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER!
DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!
It's time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.
You're not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people.
In reply to Post #97
Yeah...
That's what we need.
More guns
Yeah...
That's what we need.
More guns
In reply to Post #98
You can never have enough firepower.
Also you did not understand the context of the post which led you to assume which led you to make an error of judgement which highlighted your limited comprehension of current events .
You can never have enough firepower.
Also you did not understand the context of the post which led you to assume which led you to make an error of judgement which highlighted your limited comprehension of current events .
In reply to Post #99
Rubbish Fred
Of course I understand it. I just think it's ridiculous thinking. More guns in the hands of more idiots results in more potential gun deaths.
Even someone with limited comprehension can work that out.
8f everybody has a gun then everyone can shoot someone. If nobody has a gun.... you can do the rest right?
Rubbish Fred
Of course I understand it. I just think it's ridiculous thinking. More guns in the hands of more idiots results in more potential gun deaths.
Even someone with limited comprehension can work that out.
8f everybody has a gun then everyone can shoot someone. If nobody has a gun.... you can do the rest right?
In reply to Post #97
Load of NRA bollox imo.
Load of NRA bollox imo.
In reply to Post #101
Exactly, they fail to mention up to 200 people a day are involved in shootings across the country
Exactly, they fail to mention up to 200 people a day are involved in shootings across the country
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/how-a-ukrainian-journalist-showed-boris-johnson-that-empty-three-word-slogans-dont-work-in-wartime-1491598
In reply to Post #103
That's a very good and very honest article
That's a very good and very honest article
In reply to Post #102
thats because they are all up close shots, or stray bullets...ive shot at a couple of gun clubs in west palm beach and I'm the same. fckin rubbish...my mate out there has his house with a gun in every room and after watching him at the gun clubs his crap..watched to much Beverly Hills cop..
thats because they are all up close shots, or stray bullets...ive shot at a couple of gun clubs in west palm beach and I'm the same. fckin rubbish...my mate out there has his house with a gun in every room and after watching him at the gun clubs his crap..watched to much Beverly Hills cop..
Hi,
To Fred and Mal.
I understand both your arguments, but a fact you may both consider before carrying on is that 65% of the EE population are armed. My mother in law has an AK and Mrs Fubar was the second best grenade chucker in her school.
The NRA argument has no place in this whatsoever
Best
Jon
To Fred and Mal.
I understand both your arguments, but a fact you may both consider before carrying on is that 65% of the EE population are armed. My mother in law has an AK and Mrs Fubar was the second best grenade chucker in her school.
The NRA argument has no place in this whatsoever
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #96
Also that column of tanks artillery and ammo stretching 40 miles is gagging for a multiple drone strike
Saw that on the news and though the same myself, with today's technology I bet the Yanks could take that lot out in minutes
Ukrainians will bear arms, and rightly so, I hope they beat the Russians back and cause a stalemate minimal. Can't see a way out there of this for Putin, be nice if he would top himself but I'm sure there will be some negotiating along the way
Also that column of tanks artillery and ammo stretching 40 miles is gagging for a multiple drone strike
Saw that on the news and though the same myself, with today's technology I bet the Yanks could take that lot out in minutes
Ukrainians will bear arms, and rightly so, I hope they beat the Russians back and cause a stalemate minimal. Can't see a way out there of this for Putin, be nice if he would top himself but I'm sure there will be some negotiating along the way
In reply to Post #106
Nice info 👍
The point being if they have arms then they can at least protect themselves as you stated 👍
Nice info 👍
The point being if they have arms then they can at least protect themselves as you stated 👍
In reply to Post #107
I agree but at some point the west will get drawn in when the body count becomes intolerable.
Whichever way you assess it at some point it's going to go severely pear shaped .
We are well overdue for a European incursion just like in 45
I agree but at some point the west will get drawn in when the body count becomes intolerable.
Whichever way you assess it at some point it's going to go severely pear shaped .
We are well overdue for a European incursion just like in 45
In reply to Post #107
I saw that slow moving convoy and thought it must be bait for nato
What a sh1tshow
I saw that slow moving convoy and thought it must be bait for nato
What a sh1tshow
In reply to Post #106
Fair enough Jon
I'm glad my old mother in law didn't have an AK.....
Fair enough Jon
I'm glad my old mother in law didn't have an AK.....
In reply to Post #109
Zelensky might capitulate if the body count gets intolerable. As the leader he's responsible for the population. When does he run up the white flag to save further suffering to his people? He doesn't seem the maniacal type, unlike his opposite number so he will be considering behind the scenes and speeches.
Zelensky might capitulate if the body count gets intolerable. As the leader he's responsible for the population. When does he run up the white flag to save further suffering to his people? He doesn't seem the maniacal type, unlike his opposite number so he will be considering behind the scenes and speeches.
In reply to Post #112
If they dont smash their way through I think they'll just wait it out until the Ukrainians run out of food and water
If they dont smash their way through I think they'll just wait it out until the Ukrainians run out of food and water
In reply to Post #113
Maybe, but I can't and never could see Putin wanting to draw this out.
That's part of the reason for the huge visible convoys of massive firepower. Clearly it shows they have nothing to fear from the Ukrainian air force so can move about in strength with impunity. Unlike the Ukrainian army that is clearly stuck in it's scattered position's unable to move to support each other. Gradually being degraded or obliterated.
Secondly it's a deliberate show to the Ukrainian population and Zelensky what's coming down the track at them.
Maybe, but I can't and never could see Putin wanting to draw this out.
That's part of the reason for the huge visible convoys of massive firepower. Clearly it shows they have nothing to fear from the Ukrainian air force so can move about in strength with impunity. Unlike the Ukrainian army that is clearly stuck in it's scattered position's unable to move to support each other. Gradually being degraded or obliterated.
Secondly it's a deliberate show to the Ukrainian population and Zelensky what's coming down the track at them.
In reply to Post #114
From what analysts have made out is that as Russians have always viewed Ukrainians as fellow brothers, keeping that in mind is why Putin hasn't gone in like America does which includes flattening everything and anything that moves. From what has been observed, the Russian army has sought to keep civilian casualties as low as possible to keep them on side when the dust settles. The Ukrainian Army has been encircled - a typical Russian tactic of war - in the south of which the numbers are around 65,000.
I think the Ukrainian Army will be offered surrender with the Russian Army willing to wait it out. Similarly, Kiev has been encircled with the government given the opportunity to surrender. All the Russians will do again is just sit it out, control what goes in and out. Something worth noting is that phones and greater communications, electricity, sewage etc are still working given reports coming out of Ukraine.
From what analysts have made out is that as Russians have always viewed Ukrainians as fellow brothers, keeping that in mind is why Putin hasn't gone in like America does which includes flattening everything and anything that moves. From what has been observed, the Russian army has sought to keep civilian casualties as low as possible to keep them on side when the dust settles. The Ukrainian Army has been encircled - a typical Russian tactic of war - in the south of which the numbers are around 65,000.
I think the Ukrainian Army will be offered surrender with the Russian Army willing to wait it out. Similarly, Kiev has been encircled with the government given the opportunity to surrender. All the Russians will do again is just sit it out, control what goes in and out. Something worth noting is that phones and greater communications, electricity, sewage etc are still working given reports coming out of Ukraine.
In reply to Post #115
Agree with a lot of that apart from the American tactics TC. It seems like they've used less ruthless troops and equipment in the main except for the special forces actions. Maybe for the reasons you've stated. Will that carry on if this drags on? That's unknown.
Agree with a lot of that apart from the American tactics TC. It seems like they've used less ruthless troops and equipment in the main except for the special forces actions. Maybe for the reasons you've stated. Will that carry on if this drags on? That's unknown.
In reply to Post #116
"Will that carry on if this drags on?"
For me, I'd rather not make any predictions, more the case personal whishes and hopes, hopes that no more lives get lost on all sides; wishful thinking? Something that has come up is that the higher ups in both armies know each other well, have trained together, got drunk together. It could well turn out that an amicable agreement between the two armies can be found, given the circumstances with the losses of Ukrainian military and dealing with an invading army even if they do know each other would be very hard for the Ukrainians to stomach.
Something else that has been brought up is that Putin hasn't any interest in West Ukraine and has said that it should be handed back to Poland as the likes of Lviv, Poland are the rightful holders of that land and that Starlin should never have given it away to Ukraine many years ago, also, there is a big problem with Neo Nazis in Western Ukraine from what I gather and it's relatively ungovernable.
"Will that carry on if this drags on?"
For me, I'd rather not make any predictions, more the case personal whishes and hopes, hopes that no more lives get lost on all sides; wishful thinking? Something that has come up is that the higher ups in both armies know each other well, have trained together, got drunk together. It could well turn out that an amicable agreement between the two armies can be found, given the circumstances with the losses of Ukrainian military and dealing with an invading army even if they do know each other would be very hard for the Ukrainians to stomach.
Something else that has been brought up is that Putin hasn't any interest in West Ukraine and has said that it should be handed back to Poland as the likes of Lviv, Poland are the rightful holders of that land and that Starlin should never have given it away to Ukraine many years ago, also, there is a big problem with Neo Nazis in Western Ukraine from what I gather and it's relatively ungovernable.
In reply to Post #115
The Ukraine army were offered the chance to surrender from the off. The Russian tanks apparently had a white 'v' painted on them which the Ukraine troops could mimic and surrender without being fired upon if they wanted to.
It seems not many of them did
The Ukraine army were offered the chance to surrender from the off. The Russian tanks apparently had a white 'v' painted on them which the Ukraine troops could mimic and surrender without being fired upon if they wanted to.
It seems not many of them did
In reply to Post #118
I've not heard about that to be fair. I know that the Ukrainian Army has been asked to put down their arms so they can return to their families. It really doesn't surprise me that on the whole the offer wasn't taken up, after all, the army are trained to fight not taught at any point to surrender, just follow orders.
I can grasp why as a last ditch effort civilians were able to get armed, to be honest, that was a really bad idea, significantly different if those civilians are ex forces and know what they're doing with a weapon, a baker or candlestick maker, not so much. Heard that prisoners had been released early and able to take up arms only to end up killing innocents, also, rival gang members have been dispatching one another with newly acquired arms courtesy of the Ukrainian Government.
I've not heard about that to be fair. I know that the Ukrainian Army has been asked to put down their arms so they can return to their families. It really doesn't surprise me that on the whole the offer wasn't taken up, after all, the army are trained to fight not taught at any point to surrender, just follow orders.
I can grasp why as a last ditch effort civilians were able to get armed, to be honest, that was a really bad idea, significantly different if those civilians are ex forces and know what they're doing with a weapon, a baker or candlestick maker, not so much. Heard that prisoners had been released early and able to take up arms only to end up killing innocents, also, rival gang members have been dispatching one another with newly acquired arms courtesy of the Ukrainian Government.
In reply to Post #117
Your last paragraph is Putin's war speech, why?
Your last paragraph is Putin's war speech, why?
In reply to Post #120
More Putin justification war speech last paragraph again TC
Point it at the uninvited fooker coming through your door and pull the trigger don't you....
More Putin justification war speech last paragraph again TC
Point it at the uninvited fooker coming through your door and pull the trigger don't you....
If the papers are anything to go by, even children in Russia are being arrested for protesting against the war, what a sad world we live in
In reply to Post #120
If you use a non Google based search engine, you'll find that there's loads of articles backing up the claim which have no affiliation to Moscow.
Here's one: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUSKBN1GV2TY
If you use a non Google based search engine, you'll find that there's loads of articles backing up the claim which have no affiliation to Moscow.
Here's one: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUSKBN1GV2TY
In reply to Post #123
It doesnt exactly back up the claim, in fact it specifically says "To be clear, the Kremlin's claims that Ukraine is a hornets' nest of fascists are false"
It doesnt exactly back up the claim, in fact it specifically says "To be clear, the Kremlin's claims that Ukraine is a hornets' nest of fascists are false"
In reply to Post #124
"But pretending the far right isn't an issue won't make it go away, and it won't stop people outside Ukraine from talking about it. I know that policymakers in Washington, DC, Berlin, London and Brussels, to name a few capitals, are more concerned about the issue of the far right in Ukraine than a lot of people might realise, even if these concerns don't always percolate out into public. The existence of a well armed, well trained, committed group of far-right extremists and friends is a factor in Ukraine's future, no matter what Putin decides to do in the next few weeks. When the most extreme fringes, for example, muse openly about making lists of “internal enemies” to be killed during the chaos of the first days of a full Russian invasion, refusing to pay attention shouldn't be an option."
https://www.newstatesman.com/international-content/2022/02/silence-wont-make-the-ukrainian-far-right-go-away
My claim that the the Neo Nazi problem is a big problem is correct regardless of what Putin's claims may or may not be.
"But pretending the far right isn't an issue won't make it go away, and it won't stop people outside Ukraine from talking about it. I know that policymakers in Washington, DC, Berlin, London and Brussels, to name a few capitals, are more concerned about the issue of the far right in Ukraine than a lot of people might realise, even if these concerns don't always percolate out into public. The existence of a well armed, well trained, committed group of far-right extremists and friends is a factor in Ukraine's future, no matter what Putin decides to do in the next few weeks. When the most extreme fringes, for example, muse openly about making lists of “internal enemies” to be killed during the chaos of the first days of a full Russian invasion, refusing to pay attention shouldn't be an option."
https://www.newstatesman.com/international-content/2022/02/silence-wont-make-the-ukrainian-far-right-go-away
My claim that the the Neo Nazi problem is a big problem is correct regardless of what Putin's claims may or may not be.
In reply to Post #125
They've bigger issues than a few fascists, hyped up by Putin and a few useful idiots TC.
They've bigger issues than a few fascists, hyped up by Putin and a few useful idiots TC.
I'd say that putin's comments about driving out neo nazis / far right sympathisers are perhaps just an excuse
Then again maybe not. Perhaps he's on a mission to sort them out. Next on the list? Poland? Hungary? France? The Metropolitan police? Carp forum...?
Then again maybe not. Perhaps he's on a mission to sort them out. Next on the list? Poland? Hungary? France? The Metropolitan police? Carp forum...?
In reply to Post #125
You would think if it was the uk that the russians partly invaded in 2014 or whenever it was, that there would be a massive rise in far right extremism in this country, or any country come to think of it.
You would think if it was the uk that the russians partly invaded in 2014 or whenever it was, that there would be a massive rise in far right extremism in this country, or any country come to think of it.
In reply to Post #126
I think that's a fair take Ocelot. I was just replying to your question as to why I was saying similar to Putin.
What I do find strange is the West pick and choose their Nazi boi's as it suits. I mean, look at the accusations being made by politicians, talking heads and the likes with their finger pointing and constant fear mongering about the threat of the nigh on non existent 'Far Right', yet here is a real example of Neo Nazis that are "making lists"... crickets or Putin is clearly mad and just making it all up.
I think that's a fair take Ocelot. I was just replying to your question as to why I was saying similar to Putin.
What I do find strange is the West pick and choose their Nazi boi's as it suits. I mean, look at the accusations being made by politicians, talking heads and the likes with their finger pointing and constant fear mongering about the threat of the nigh on non existent 'Far Right', yet here is a real example of Neo Nazis that are "making lists"... crickets or Putin is clearly mad and just making it all up.
Do you lot honestly think not going toe to toe with Putin will have a happy ending ??
The man is on a mission as is China 🇨🇳 as they carefully watch this unfold .
As for Putin threatening the use of nukes he should be told to wind his neck in as we have them also .
Sitting back keeping out of it is really not an option .
We are just prolonging the inevitable.
The world is on edge .
Sometimes I think spinning up the nukes for a pre emptive tactical strike on Moskow would not be a bad thing as then we could have global thermo nuclear ☢️ war and cleanse mankind by taking us back to the Stone Age .
In reality when I hear the phrase that we are civilised it makes me cringe .
For two thousand years we have not really progressed from inflicting pain and war on our fellow humans .
Perhaps the solution would be to eradicate all carbon units from the planet as it seems mankind is just a virus 🦠
In just over 300 years mankind has turned a true miracle in the cosmos into a toilet 🚽.
So to sum up spin up the nukes and let's go to eradicate mankind as sooner or later it will happen not if but when .
The man is on a mission as is China 🇨🇳 as they carefully watch this unfold .
As for Putin threatening the use of nukes he should be told to wind his neck in as we have them also .
Sitting back keeping out of it is really not an option .
We are just prolonging the inevitable.
The world is on edge .
Sometimes I think spinning up the nukes for a pre emptive tactical strike on Moskow would not be a bad thing as then we could have global thermo nuclear ☢️ war and cleanse mankind by taking us back to the Stone Age .
In reality when I hear the phrase that we are civilised it makes me cringe .
For two thousand years we have not really progressed from inflicting pain and war on our fellow humans .
Perhaps the solution would be to eradicate all carbon units from the planet as it seems mankind is just a virus 🦠
In just over 300 years mankind has turned a true miracle in the cosmos into a toilet 🚽.
So to sum up spin up the nukes and let's go to eradicate mankind as sooner or later it will happen not if but when .
In reply to Post #130
That's the spirit, someone who has lived their life doesnt care about others who are starting out
That's the spirit, someone who has lived their life doesnt care about others who are starting out
In reply to Post #131
Obviously you can't read and digest this post as in reality their future is bleak .
Obviously you can't read and digest this post as in reality their future is bleak .
In reply to Post #132
bleak in your mind
bleak in your mind
In reply to Post #1
Great book called prisoners of geography basically tells you why this is all unfolding... and to a extent fully predicted it.
For me the bigger question is why now? my guess is he is not well health wise (possibly terminally) and this is his punt to go down in history as the Russian who made it into the USSR again.
Also worth a read in that book as to why you would always want to be under the wing of the Americans when it comes to choosing sides....... there defence budget is more then the rest of the superpowers combined (until recently)
Great book called prisoners of geography basically tells you why this is all unfolding... and to a extent fully predicted it.
For me the bigger question is why now? my guess is he is not well health wise (possibly terminally) and this is his punt to go down in history as the Russian who made it into the USSR again.
Also worth a read in that book as to why you would always want to be under the wing of the Americans when it comes to choosing sides....... there defence budget is more then the rest of the superpowers combined (until recently)
In reply to Post #130
The carp fishing tackle side to chinas wealth is to much for them to get involved and have sanctions put on them
The carp fishing tackle side to chinas wealth is to much for them to get involved and have sanctions put on them
In reply to Post #130
And no country should have nuclear weapons..same as people who carry knifes..fckin cowards.
And no country should have nuclear weapons..same as people who carry knifes..fckin cowards.
Going by the extent of appeasing posts on this thread any threat towards the U.K. will be dealt with a stern letter sent and harsh language .
God I hope you are right 🤔
God I hope you are right 🤔
In reply to Post #137
People don't want conflict Fred.
You can have as many guns as you like and put up a struggle but against a superpower, at some point you will be in Ukraine's position.. picking dead children from debris. Or dying from radiation poisoning maybe, that'd be nice.
People don't want conflict Fred.
You can have as many guns as you like and put up a struggle but against a superpower, at some point you will be in Ukraine's position.. picking dead children from debris. Or dying from radiation poisoning maybe, that'd be nice.
Well, well, well,
Looks like there's been a turn of events behind the scenes. The Chinese are mediators trying to help broker an end to what's happening in Ukraine. Apparently the aim of any deal is to end Ukrainian attempts of membership of NATO, a recognition of the two breakaway regions and a Ukrainian Government.
The Russian rational with what is happening with the Russian Army with it stalled on the outskirts of Kiev and the encirclement of the Ukrainian Army in the East is to force the issue on the Ukrainian Government to obtain their capitulation.
Chinese diplomacy is stressing that this whole saga has been brought about by NATO's eastward expansion and has to cease for there to be lasting peace in Europe.
It now seems the case that European attempts at brokering a deal pre invasion was never ment the go anywhere and was in fact a stalling tactic and totally disingenuous from the outset. If the Chinese do eventually broker a deal signed and sealed, the US would have no involvement in that deal and would certainly be very unhappy about it.
Looks like there's been a turn of events behind the scenes. The Chinese are mediators trying to help broker an end to what's happening in Ukraine. Apparently the aim of any deal is to end Ukrainian attempts of membership of NATO, a recognition of the two breakaway regions and a Ukrainian Government.
The Russian rational with what is happening with the Russian Army with it stalled on the outskirts of Kiev and the encirclement of the Ukrainian Army in the East is to force the issue on the Ukrainian Government to obtain their capitulation.
Chinese diplomacy is stressing that this whole saga has been brought about by NATO's eastward expansion and has to cease for there to be lasting peace in Europe.
It now seems the case that European attempts at brokering a deal pre invasion was never ment the go anywhere and was in fact a stalling tactic and totally disingenuous from the outset. If the Chinese do eventually broker a deal signed and sealed, the US would have no involvement in that deal and would certainly be very unhappy about it.
In reply to Post #139
Sounds about right, if Russia and the west come to blows then everyone loses, including the Chinese.
Sounds about right, if Russia and the west come to blows then everyone loses, including the Chinese.
In reply to Post #140
The worry is Andy, there are some absolute lunatics baying for a no fly zone over Ukraine which isn't worth contemplating. I won't bother listing the names as that's not really that relivant, the problem being is there are some very hot heads that have caused big problems down the line like the removal of Russia which apparently has caused defaults which will unwind and have huge consequences, which funnily enough has brought those that sought the swift option and assault of Russia's central bank to try and reverse their decision by way of not excluding certain banks and attempting to undo the mess they've created - they were warned about this by Wall St, The Fed, German bankers etc that it was a big mistake.
The worry is Andy, there are some absolute lunatics baying for a no fly zone over Ukraine which isn't worth contemplating. I won't bother listing the names as that's not really that relivant, the problem being is there are some very hot heads that have caused big problems down the line like the removal of Russia which apparently has caused defaults which will unwind and have huge consequences, which funnily enough has brought those that sought the swift option and assault of Russia's central bank to try and reverse their decision by way of not excluding certain banks and attempting to undo the mess they've created - they were warned about this by Wall St, The Fed, German bankers etc that it was a big mistake.
In reply to Post #139
The Chinese will broker no deal in this conflict TC. It'll be the US and the EU. The only deal brokered with Chinese mediation will be with a Putin puppet installed in Kyiv, Yanukovych?
Putin wants a quick, very quick end to this, with as many of his pre invasion goals met as possible.
It's clear that the insurgency if and when Zelensky tells the Ukrainian army to lay down their weapons will be horrendous for Russia. Totally ungovernable for the invading forces, bomb's, assassinations, hit squads ALL over a vast country. Highly motivated, well armed and supplied. Causing death and chaos daily. Vive la resistance.
Edit:#140 There's always people that win out of a war mate. Some short term, better off being the long term winner though
The Chinese will broker no deal in this conflict TC. It'll be the US and the EU. The only deal brokered with Chinese mediation will be with a Putin puppet installed in Kyiv, Yanukovych?
Putin wants a quick, very quick end to this, with as many of his pre invasion goals met as possible.
It's clear that the insurgency if and when Zelensky tells the Ukrainian army to lay down their weapons will be horrendous for Russia. Totally ungovernable for the invading forces, bomb's, assassinations, hit squads ALL over a vast country. Highly motivated, well armed and supplied. Causing death and chaos daily. Vive la resistance.
Edit:#140 There's always people that win out of a war mate. Some short term, better off being the long term winner though
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/02/the-new-statesmanlike-boris-quickly-gives-way-to-the-old-self-centred-one-at-pmqs
Facades beginning to falter?
Won't be the first
Facades beginning to falter?
Won't be the first
In reply to Post #119
Hi
"also, rival gang members have been dispatching one another with newly acquired arms courtesy of the Ukrainian Government."
Absolute complete and utter bull****!!!!!
Complete shame you are allowed to post **** like that, shame on you
Jon
Hi
"also, rival gang members have been dispatching one another with newly acquired arms courtesy of the Ukrainian Government."
Absolute complete and utter bull****!!!!!
Complete shame you are allowed to post **** like that, shame on you
Jon
Putin don't want NATO / US on his doorstep.......which is fair enough so flatten the Ukraine and it's job done.......
In reply to Post #145
There is trouble brewing !!!!
Escalation is imminent
There is trouble brewing !!!!
Escalation is imminent
In reply to Post #146
Give it a rest
Give it a rest
In reply to Post #144
Maybe you misunderstood what I was trying to say? I didn't mean that the Ukrainian Government purposely gave arms to rival gangs, more the case being gangs picked up guns that were being freely handed out.
Maybe you misunderstood what I was trying to say? I didn't mean that the Ukrainian Government purposely gave arms to rival gangs, more the case being gangs picked up guns that were being freely handed out.
In reply to Post #147
Oooooh
Hark at you !!!🤡
Oooooh
Hark at you !!!🤡
ill be at the royal Albert hall tomorrow night and doff my cap...
In reply to Post #145
Norway, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are in NATO and already border Russia. So that view is flawed.
Norway, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are in NATO and already border Russia. So that view is flawed.
In reply to Post #146
Putin's played his trump card on Zelensky, "humanitarian corridor's "
He has to agree to some form of.
Any resistance left is open to full unrestricted devastation or subjugation.
A relentless cleansing operation by Putin.
Putin's played his trump card on Zelensky, "humanitarian corridor's "
He has to agree to some form of.
Any resistance left is open to full unrestricted devastation or subjugation.
A relentless cleansing operation by Putin.
In reply to Post #145
Oh yeah, so what a great idea it is to invade Ukraine, a country that shares borders with NATO members.
Oh yeah, so what a great idea it is to invade Ukraine, a country that shares borders with NATO members.
Sooner or later as it progresses NATO will get involved .
I give it 6 weeks when the devastation reaches critical and the world will change entirely .
It's very worrying times but it's unfolding before our very eyes .
Total lunacy 😔
I give it 6 weeks when the devastation reaches critical and the world will change entirely .
It's very worrying times but it's unfolding before our very eyes .
Total lunacy 😔
In reply to Post #151
Correct but they were not part of the USSR like the Ukraine.
Correct but they were not part of the USSR like the Ukraine.
In reply to Post #155
Think you'll find Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia were republics within the USSR, exactly like Ukraine. They're in NATO, like I say flawed.
Think you'll find Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia were republics within the USSR, exactly like Ukraine. They're in NATO, like I say flawed.
In reply to Post #154
You had better go watching all them fishing dvd's you love so much before you get nuked
You had better go watching all them fishing dvd's you love so much before you get nuked
In reply to Post #156
There piss pots compared to the motherland that is the Ukraine.......
There piss pots compared to the motherland that is the Ukraine.......
In reply to Post #157
I'm not allowed to mention those DVD,s but glad you remembered 🤭
I'm not allowed to mention those DVD,s but glad you remembered 🤭
I mean...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/04/no-10-sir-gavin-williamson-knighthood-boris-johnson-putin-cronies
Ffs.
He can still **** off
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/04/no-10-sir-gavin-williamson-knighthood-boris-johnson-putin-cronies
Ffs.
He can still **** off
In reply to Post #159
In reply to Post #156
They were in the USSR as you say.
The difference is that the Ukraine has a large amount of resources in comparison. Hence why he has gone for that.
They were in the USSR as you say.
The difference is that the Ukraine has a large amount of resources in comparison. Hence why he has gone for that.
In reply to Post #162
You think it's a war for resources? I can't see why the Russians would turn themselves into a pariah state for decades for resources. Who and what are they going to sell too to make the gain worth the pain?
You think it's a war for resources? I can't see why the Russians would turn themselves into a pariah state for decades for resources. Who and what are they going to sell too to make the gain worth the pain?
In reply to Post #163
Call me cynical mate but...
They're going to sell to us. And everyone else they previously sold to once the dust settles and the various governments revert to type.
Boris might have got his hands on a few posh houses for his wealthy mates and some pesky foreigners might have their yachts moved on, but look at how putin was treated after his previous actions... contracts, major sports events, political influence (the UN security Council as an example)
Do you really think that huge pipeline through Germany isn't going to be resumed with Russian fuel at some point?
Is Essex going to become the breadbasket of the world overnight?
Like I said, it's cynical but even for someone who tries to see the best in people, I can't believe those in power will suddenly grow some integrity and morals.
Call me cynical mate but...
They're going to sell to us. And everyone else they previously sold to once the dust settles and the various governments revert to type.
Boris might have got his hands on a few posh houses for his wealthy mates and some pesky foreigners might have their yachts moved on, but look at how putin was treated after his previous actions... contracts, major sports events, political influence (the UN security Council as an example)
Do you really think that huge pipeline through Germany isn't going to be resumed with Russian fuel at some point?
Is Essex going to become the breadbasket of the world overnight?
Like I said, it's cynical but even for someone who tries to see the best in people, I can't believe those in power will suddenly grow some integrity and morals.
In reply to Post #164
I get the cynicism Mal, it's justified. Fact is they are still selling to us right now. Yes that will continue, but under our terms, for product's we can't source elsewhere for now. I was more getting at what extra can they make from stealing Ukrainian resources, whilst losing a lot of trade they already had, that made starting an horrific war seem the right thing to do.
It makes very little economic sense
It makes very little strategic sense.
It makes very little ideological sense.
So it must make geopolitical sense. To Putin.
I get the cynicism Mal, it's justified. Fact is they are still selling to us right now. Yes that will continue, but under our terms, for product's we can't source elsewhere for now. I was more getting at what extra can they make from stealing Ukrainian resources, whilst losing a lot of trade they already had, that made starting an horrific war seem the right thing to do.
It makes very little economic sense
It makes very little strategic sense.
It makes very little ideological sense.
So it must make geopolitical sense. To Putin.
In reply to Post #151
we have this year alone deployed over 1000 marines to Norway culminating in exercise cold response..
we have this year alone deployed over 1000 marines to Norway culminating in exercise cold response..
In reply to Post #165
As i said in my first post on this look at the historical geo politics at play. Its always been on the cards for Putin to attack a former USSR state.
As i said in my first post on this look at the historical geo politics at play. Its always been on the cards for Putin to attack a former USSR state.
In reply to Post #167
Yes it has, that's not in question. It's the why now reason that's the unknown, can't see it being greater resources in Ukraine as you alluded to though mate.
Israel being used as a broker of peace is a smart move. A 3 hour meeting with Putin then straight to a meeting with Scholz and a call with Biden. Hopefully they can speed up an end to this grave situation.
Yes it has, that's not in question. It's the why now reason that's the unknown, can't see it being greater resources in Ukraine as you alluded to though mate.
Israel being used as a broker of peace is a smart move. A 3 hour meeting with Putin then straight to a meeting with Scholz and a call with Biden. Hopefully they can speed up an end to this grave situation.
In reply to Post #167
I can only comment on what Putin has said, I'll never know his mind. From what Putin has said, the reasoning is that he wants to rid Ukraine of Nazis and stop Ukraine being a NATO stooge on Russia's doorstep.
I think it wise to watch some of Jimmy Dore's coverage on this this matter on YouTube. In essence, as I've been saying, this has all been crafted by America, specifically Victoria Nuland of the then US state dept - now current Under Secretary - who not only formented the coup in 2014, she also hand picked those to run Ukraine after the then president got toppled with recorded proofs...she was the one who said "f4ck the EU" during the coup.
Countless academics, intellectuals, policy advisors/makers, defence chiefs, you name it, they've all been warning not to agitate Russia in the way that they have, hell, even lunatics like Henry Kissinger have said don't do this. None of the advice has been listened to, it's been totally ignored, arms have been funneled in since before the coup in 2014, the neo Nazis have become part of the greater Ukrainian army, the Minsk Accord has been ignored by Ukraine, the neo Nazis are now saying they've got more Javelin missiles that the UK has sitting stockpiled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm8QfxZ3HHw
I can only comment on what Putin has said, I'll never know his mind. From what Putin has said, the reasoning is that he wants to rid Ukraine of Nazis and stop Ukraine being a NATO stooge on Russia's doorstep.
I think it wise to watch some of Jimmy Dore's coverage on this this matter on YouTube. In essence, as I've been saying, this has all been crafted by America, specifically Victoria Nuland of the then US state dept - now current Under Secretary - who not only formented the coup in 2014, she also hand picked those to run Ukraine after the then president got toppled with recorded proofs...she was the one who said "f4ck the EU" during the coup.
Countless academics, intellectuals, policy advisors/makers, defence chiefs, you name it, they've all been warning not to agitate Russia in the way that they have, hell, even lunatics like Henry Kissinger have said don't do this. None of the advice has been listened to, it's been totally ignored, arms have been funneled in since before the coup in 2014, the neo Nazis have become part of the greater Ukrainian army, the Minsk Accord has been ignored by Ukraine, the neo Nazis are now saying they've got more Javelin missiles that the UK has sitting stockpiled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm8QfxZ3HHw
In reply to Post #169
All, absolute crap as usual.
Parroting these "excuses" just makes you look like one of Putin's lackeys.
The long and short of it is that he has illegally invaded a sovereign nation, he has killed countless innocent civilians and further destabilised an already fragile world. All this talk of NATO and Nazi's doesn't justify any of what he has done, and repeating it without proper thinking just plays into his hands. Stop it.
As for your link, I switched off after 5 seconds when Jimmy Dore said "The Ukraine" which either demonstrates his ignorance of the situation or that he aligns with Putin and is therefore not worth any time whatsoever.
All, absolute crap as usual.
Parroting these "excuses" just makes you look like one of Putin's lackeys.
The long and short of it is that he has illegally invaded a sovereign nation, he has killed countless innocent civilians and further destabilised an already fragile world. All this talk of NATO and Nazi's doesn't justify any of what he has done, and repeating it without proper thinking just plays into his hands. Stop it.
As for your link, I switched off after 5 seconds when Jimmy Dore said "The Ukraine" which either demonstrates his ignorance of the situation or that he aligns with Putin and is therefore not worth any time whatsoever.
In reply to Post #170
Not surprising...
Not surprising...
In reply to Post #170
Looks like that's been cut and pasted straight from a QAnon article
Looks like that's been cut and pasted straight from a QAnon article
Hi All,
It's going to be extremely interesting and informative as to how carpforum responds
Best
Jon
It's going to be extremely interesting and informative as to how carpforum responds
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #169
Ffs TC, outdoing yourself with the ill informed odious, insidious posts. Hawking that pathetic tripe around is a new low. I made my view clear on Putin apologists earlier.
Ffs TC, outdoing yourself with the ill informed odious, insidious posts. Hawking that pathetic tripe around is a new low. I made my view clear on Putin apologists earlier.
In reply to Post #170
Unfortunately you are being emotional which is clearly stoping you from being rational and applying logic on this subject. Just because the presenter uses the words "The Ukraine", coincidentally a poster on here uses that exact same phrase which i've not seen you condemn - doesn't matter a jot myself - facts are facts wether you like them or not and doesn't diminish those facts just because certain phrases are used outside of the content and context of those facts. Essentially you're employing ad hominem/logical fallacy argument.
I'll agree with you that Putin shouldn't have invaded as I've already said in previous posts of mine. What I've attempted to do in my posts on this matter is to try and give another view and opinion/balance thats not being widely circulated in the media which gives a different perspective as to Putin's 'why'. The Russians have always stated that NATO expansion into Ukraine is their "red line", this warning was ignored and as we see, these are the consequences.
I don't know where you're getting your information from, although I can take a very good guess; i'll ask you this: don't you think it wise to have a broad and varied spectrum of information, even if that information conflicts with other information so as to get the 'whole' picture, or best you can garner from that all gathered information?
I'll refer you back to Jimmy Dore as what he's been putting out recently is very good, very informative. and easy to digest, and most importantly check to see if that information is in fact true. Whilst I mention Jimmy Dore, something that I would like to say about him is that I disagree intensely on a lot of his political positions, I'm not a fan on the whole, just so we're clear. Funnily enough I wasn't aware of his recent content as I don't usually watch his stuff, it was a friend who told me about his most recent content and thought I'd share it here.
Unfortunately you are being emotional which is clearly stoping you from being rational and applying logic on this subject. Just because the presenter uses the words "The Ukraine", coincidentally a poster on here uses that exact same phrase which i've not seen you condemn - doesn't matter a jot myself - facts are facts wether you like them or not and doesn't diminish those facts just because certain phrases are used outside of the content and context of those facts. Essentially you're employing ad hominem/logical fallacy argument.
I'll agree with you that Putin shouldn't have invaded as I've already said in previous posts of mine. What I've attempted to do in my posts on this matter is to try and give another view and opinion/balance thats not being widely circulated in the media which gives a different perspective as to Putin's 'why'. The Russians have always stated that NATO expansion into Ukraine is their "red line", this warning was ignored and as we see, these are the consequences.
I don't know where you're getting your information from, although I can take a very good guess; i'll ask you this: don't you think it wise to have a broad and varied spectrum of information, even if that information conflicts with other information so as to get the 'whole' picture, or best you can garner from that all gathered information?
I'll refer you back to Jimmy Dore as what he's been putting out recently is very good, very informative. and easy to digest, and most importantly check to see if that information is in fact true. Whilst I mention Jimmy Dore, something that I would like to say about him is that I disagree intensely on a lot of his political positions, I'm not a fan on the whole, just so we're clear. Funnily enough I wasn't aware of his recent content as I don't usually watch his stuff, it was a friend who told me about his most recent content and thought I'd share it here.
In reply to Post #175
Ukraine Nazis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
Victoria Nuland recordings - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoW75J5bnnE
Ukraine Nazis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
Victoria Nuland recordings - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoW75J5bnnE
In reply to Post #176
Why do you think it's upto you to attempt(again) to make a case for Putin's war when you disagree with his actions? It's not and you can't, pretty simple Mkay.
Why do you think it's upto you to attempt(again) to make a case for Putin's war when you disagree with his actions? It's not and you can't, pretty simple Mkay.
so now macron accuses the uk of being unhumane for not letting in Ukraine refuges from France...has any got that far yet ?
In reply to Post #178
I never said it was up to me. I'm just merely giving more context, a bit like someone saying 'man went to the moon', yeah, man did go to the moon, but how and why did he go to the moon.
I never said it was up to me. I'm just merely giving more context, a bit like someone saying 'man went to the moon', yeah, man did go to the moon, but how and why did he go to the moon.
In reply to Post #179
He's got a very good point regardless...
He's got a very good point regardless...
In reply to Post #181
why?
why?
In reply to Post #181
How many more people can we possibly take,we can't even look after our own.
How many more people can we possibly take,we can't even look after our own.
In reply to Post #180
So you've decided to take up that mantle of alternative
context spreader for no reasons with a deadly serious issue but your own. Extremely weird TC.
So you've decided to take up that mantle of alternative
context spreader for no reasons with a deadly serious issue but your own. Extremely weird TC.
In reply to Post #181
Don't forget Mal we won't go to war to help these ordinary people being blasted out of their country by a bully. Caused by us according to TC. Why on earth should we help women, children,old and infirm to a safe and secure environment til the cause is vanquished?
Don't forget Mal we won't go to war to help these ordinary people being blasted out of their country by a bully. Caused by us according to TC. Why on earth should we help women, children,old and infirm to a safe and secure environment til the cause is vanquished?
In reply to Post #182
Christian values? Decency? Cause it's the right thing to do?
Christian values? Decency? Cause it's the right thing to do?
In reply to Post #182
Look at what has been said. I posted earlier on it.
Maybe you think it's OK to say to the women and children who are fleeing their homes that they can apply for fruit picking jobs... i don't. Or that a promise to simplify visa applications for those with immediate family in the UK is appropriate help. I don't.
And braders, it was only a matter of time before that argument surfaced. As you know from previous versions of it from people with far less intelligence than you, I think it's a selfish point of view.
When abramovich offers the profits from the sale of Chelsea but Boris won't even broach the option of paying back the donations to the tory party then you know things aren't right
We will send them guns so they can die bravely but don't ask us to look after the innocent and defenceless
As usual, disgraceful
Look at what has been said. I posted earlier on it.
Maybe you think it's OK to say to the women and children who are fleeing their homes that they can apply for fruit picking jobs... i don't. Or that a promise to simplify visa applications for those with immediate family in the UK is appropriate help. I don't.
And braders, it was only a matter of time before that argument surfaced. As you know from previous versions of it from people with far less intelligence than you, I think it's a selfish point of view.
When abramovich offers the profits from the sale of Chelsea but Boris won't even broach the option of paying back the donations to the tory party then you know things aren't right
We will send them guns so they can die bravely but don't ask us to look after the innocent and defenceless
As usual, disgraceful
In reply to Post #187
I'm on about macron accusing the uk of being inhumane of not letting ukaranie refugees into the uk from his borders..when there is none there, and when is it seems like his kicking them out but blaming us..like a yellow belly he is..
I'm on about macron accusing the uk of being inhumane of not letting ukaranie refugees into the uk from his borders..when there is none there, and when is it seems like his kicking them out but blaming us..like a yellow belly he is..
Does anybody else feel like watching the kid at school who finally stood up for himself but got 10 shades of **** beaten out of him? Russia can take a lot more blows to the chin than Ukraine. Surely this can't continue or the Ukrainians will have nothing left to fight for and might as well have laid down their arms and tried the democratic route out of a takeover or left?
I don't understand nor want to discuss the motives, but they will never win the fight and every day takes us a step closer to being nuked ourselves.
We know they're killing women and children, how many is going to be too many?
I don't understand nor want to discuss the motives, but they will never win the fight and every day takes us a step closer to being nuked ourselves.
We know they're killing women and children, how many is going to be too many?
In reply to Post #189
the ukaraines are using ak47s which is a Russian arm so certainly not supplied by the uk..
the ukaraines are using ak47s which is a Russian arm so certainly not supplied by the uk..
In reply to Post #190
I think a lot get made in Poland
I think a lot get made in Poland
In reply to Post #189
I agree it's shameful on the West standing by whilst that happens mate. If you're fighting for your property, family and future when would you stop getting smacked in the chops?
I agree it's shameful on the West standing by whilst that happens mate. If you're fighting for your property, family and future when would you stop getting smacked in the chops?
In reply to Post #188
As I said, regardless of his own failings - and he's on very thin ice when it comes to the treatment of refugees, the UK response can very easily be described as inhumane
The 'but they're just as bad argument ' is another one I've no time for. It helps nobody. Just illustrates there are always more ****s
As I said, regardless of his own failings - and he's on very thin ice when it comes to the treatment of refugees, the UK response can very easily be described as inhumane
The 'but they're just as bad argument ' is another one I've no time for. It helps nobody. Just illustrates there are always more ****s
In reply to Post #192
Probably when my missus and kids left for another country and my property got shelled to be fair.
I struggle to read up on it tbh. I'm so torn between admiration for their bravery and disbelief that they're carrying on while collecting corpses of their toddlers ffs
Somebody has to nuke Russia, assassinate Putin or walk away
Probably when my missus and kids left for another country and my property got shelled to be fair.
I struggle to read up on it tbh. I'm so torn between admiration for their bravery and disbelief that they're carrying on while collecting corpses of their toddlers ffs
Somebody has to nuke Russia, assassinate Putin or walk away
In reply to Post #193
no I don't think its good seeing women and children having to flee there country and homes..and if I was a good enough sniper id put a bullet between Putins eyes, I just don't agree with the French president going on tv and accusing the uk of being inhumane..
no I don't think its good seeing women and children having to flee there country and homes..and if I was a good enough sniper id put a bullet between Putins eyes, I just don't agree with the French president going on tv and accusing the uk of being inhumane..
In reply to Post #195
Macron is a ****, can't anyone see he's just electioneering. Trying to use this war and making us look bad for his own gains.
Macron is a ****, can't anyone see he's just electioneering. Trying to use this war and making us look bad for his own gains.
In reply to Post #194
So you'd be one of the 1.5 million looking for charity mate.
NATO Nations closer to the conflict won't sit on their rifles for ever whilst this totally unnecessary suffering continues. Probably best to prepare to back them up.
So you'd be one of the 1.5 million looking for charity mate.
NATO Nations closer to the conflict won't sit on their rifles for ever whilst this totally unnecessary suffering continues. Probably best to prepare to back them up.
In reply to Post #196
Thanks for your contribution to this thread.
Thanks for your contribution to this thread.
In reply to Post #197
I'd be at the polish border dressed as a middle aged Ukrainian housewife
To be honest I'd stand toe to toe with any human alive to fight my own battles, win or lose. But I'd never fight anybody in the name of the bit of land I happened to be dragged up on or a political fall out.
I'd be at the polish border dressed as a middle aged Ukrainian housewife
To be honest I'd stand toe to toe with any human alive to fight my own battles, win or lose. But I'd never fight anybody in the name of the bit of land I happened to be dragged up on or a political fall out.
In reply to Post #198
well he wouldn't be wrong, while myself and a packed royal Albert hall stood up Friday evening and sung the Ukraine national anthem where was macron..
well he wouldn't be wrong, while myself and a packed royal Albert hall stood up Friday evening and sung the Ukraine national anthem where was macron..
In reply to Post #200
Probably on the phone to Putin, as clearly he seems to be the only one who is on speaking terms with in Europe.
Probably on the phone to Putin, as clearly he seems to be the only one who is on speaking terms with in Europe.
In reply to Post #200
Trying to make some real difference
Not sure about the acoustics in the Albert Hall but I doubt they heard you in Ukraine
Targeting macron helps nobody. He's far from perfect but he at least appears to be a line of communication to putin unlike our shower...
Trying to make some real difference
Not sure about the acoustics in the Albert Hall but I doubt they heard you in Ukraine
Targeting macron helps nobody. He's far from perfect but he at least appears to be a line of communication to putin unlike our shower...
In reply to Post #202
you obviously have no idea about HMS Royal marine corps..
you obviously have no idea about HMS Royal marine corps..
In reply to Post #203
Enlighten me
Can they magically stop bullets by hitting a top C in a posh concert hall thousands of miles from a war zone?
Apologies for the sarcasm but I doubt anyone under fire in Ukraine felt the benefit
I'm all for raising awareness and showing support but let's get some perspective. The UK response has been rubbish
Maybe this fella knows the marines
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60637185
Enlighten me
Can they magically stop bullets by hitting a top C in a posh concert hall thousands of miles from a war zone?
Apologies for the sarcasm but I doubt anyone under fire in Ukraine felt the benefit
I'm all for raising awareness and showing support but let's get some perspective. The UK response has been rubbish
Maybe this fella knows the marines
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60637185
In reply to Post #201
more than likely ****ting himself.
more than likely ****ting himself.
In reply to Post #204
cant open your link? and its from the bbc so utter **** more than likely.
cant open your link? and its from the bbc so utter **** more than likely.
In reply to Post #206
It's a interview with the head of the British armed forces telling them to not fight
But he's talking to the BBC so maybe it's just utter **** right?
50 visas granted to Ukrainian refugees as of this morning...
Disgraceful
It's a interview with the head of the British armed forces telling them to not fight
But he's talking to the BBC so maybe it's just utter **** right?
50 visas granted to Ukrainian refugees as of this morning...
Disgraceful
In reply to Post #207
Where do we keep putting them all Mal,we have one of the worst levels of homelessness.What is going on in the Ukraine is heartbreaking and it should not be happening,we have three hotels around here full of the last wave of refugees the UK took in.One of the hotels in Hanley has had nothing but trouble,rooms smashed up,fighting outside the police are there constantly putting more strain on and already stretched resource.
Where do we keep putting them all Mal,we have one of the worst levels of homelessness.What is going on in the Ukraine is heartbreaking and it should not be happening,we have three hotels around here full of the last wave of refugees the UK took in.One of the hotels in Hanley has had nothing but trouble,rooms smashed up,fighting outside the police are there constantly putting more strain on and already stretched resource.
**** times. Just as the virus finally sods off, war breaks out in eastern Europe.
Poland are about to start giving their war planes to the Ukrainians... US are to replace Polands military aircraft, with brand new US planes.... How will Putin react to that? Clearly a large escalation is only just around the corner. Would Poland be next? What then?
China being pretty quiet in all of this. Would they back the Russians if war broke out? If the west let Putin conquer Ukraine, will China see it as an open invitation to invade Taiwan?
Poland are about to start giving their war planes to the Ukrainians... US are to replace Polands military aircraft, with brand new US planes.... How will Putin react to that? Clearly a large escalation is only just around the corner. Would Poland be next? What then?
China being pretty quiet in all of this. Would they back the Russians if war broke out? If the west let Putin conquer Ukraine, will China see it as an open invitation to invade Taiwan?
In reply to Post #209
Poland isn't going through with handing over the Ukraine air force planes, they've (Poland) have called that one off. As for the US sending planes, that's still up in the air, pardon the pun.
Poland isn't going through with handing over the Ukraine air force planes, they've (Poland) have called that one off. As for the US sending planes, that's still up in the air, pardon the pun.
I think it would be prudent to wait until all of this is over to see who is responsible for these civilian casualties. I say this as there's been numerous accusations of Russian and Ukrainian atrocities alike. What the truth of it actually all is, we may never find out the true culprits.
In reply to Post #211
The overwhelming evidence suggests it's not the Ukrainians bombing their own cities
The overwhelming evidence suggests it's not the Ukrainians bombing their own cities
In reply to Post #212
Anyone seen the video show evidence of a zombie apocalypse in the Ukraine? “Bodies” adjusting their own bodybags live on tv.....😂
Don't believe a word anyone tells you.....
Anyone seen the video show evidence of a zombie apocalypse in the Ukraine? “Bodies” adjusting their own bodybags live on tv.....😂
Don't believe a word anyone tells you.....
In reply to Post #211
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The yanks have bottled it with sleepy Joe
Boris is missing a spine
Macron has been checking his tanks have 5 reverse gears
The Germans are itching to take Leningrad and actually win this time
Shame Maggie and Bush are not in power as Putin would be toast .
How long before this blows up to full scale Armageddon.
It's not a case of if but when 🤔
Boris is missing a spine
Macron has been checking his tanks have 5 reverse gears
The Germans are itching to take Leningrad and actually win this time
Shame Maggie and Bush are not in power as Putin would be toast .
How long before this blows up to full scale Armageddon.
It's not a case of if but when 🤔
Conveniently This war is covering up the huge elephant in the room and that is the amount of people now dying of heart attacks.......nothing to do with the 3 billion jabs dished out of course.......
In reply to Post #215
I dont think pushing the west and russia into full blown nuclear war is actually "bottling it". No one wants it, apart from probably you for some strange reason.
I actually think we must be pretty close to the line in actually being drawn into this. I mean lots of our weaponry are killing russians, which Putin can not be happy about, and now the US sending migs over, we are certainly indirectly involved.
I dont think pushing the west and russia into full blown nuclear war is actually "bottling it". No one wants it, apart from probably you for some strange reason.
I actually think we must be pretty close to the line in actually being drawn into this. I mean lots of our weaponry are killing russians, which Putin can not be happy about, and now the US sending migs over, we are certainly indirectly involved.
Also I was reading that we've only taken in 50 Ukrainians, if that is true that is pretty pi55 poor
I believe that the US plan is to get the Ukrainians to stall for as long as possible so as to get a decent enough amount of arms like Javelin etc and then go at the Russians. The Pentagons plan as always is to arm and fund insurgent forces to try and pick away at the Russians as they've done many times, a shining example of this is what the Americans did in Afghanistan with the proxy forces they assembled.
The Russians I'd suspect are fully aware of the Americans playbook and want this over and done with as quick as possible. From the demands that the Russians have made of the Ukrainian government is for them to become neutral, keep on governing and as the Russians have stated, not make any land grabs. The Russians dealt effectively with the insurgence in Syria (funded and armed by the Americans) and are in the process of eliminating the Azov Brigade in the south and C14 elsewhere, the problem being floods of willing participants from other countries willing to 'give it' to the Russians.
The longer this whole thing goes on for, the worse it will get. Ukraine will become a bloodbath like we've seen in the Middle East and get levelled. Well that's the way I see it anyway.
The Russians I'd suspect are fully aware of the Americans playbook and want this over and done with as quick as possible. From the demands that the Russians have made of the Ukrainian government is for them to become neutral, keep on governing and as the Russians have stated, not make any land grabs. The Russians dealt effectively with the insurgence in Syria (funded and armed by the Americans) and are in the process of eliminating the Azov Brigade in the south and C14 elsewhere, the problem being floods of willing participants from other countries willing to 'give it' to the Russians.
The longer this whole thing goes on for, the worse it will get. Ukraine will become a bloodbath like we've seen in the Middle East and get levelled. Well that's the way I see it anyway.
In reply to Post #219
Two winners of many campaigns and battles will be foremost in NATO minds.
Napoleon - Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.
Patton - A war may be fought with weapons, but won by men. It is the spirit of men who follow and of the man who leads that gains the victory.
Putin will lose eventually.
Two winners of many campaigns and battles will be foremost in NATO minds.
Napoleon - Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.
Patton - A war may be fought with weapons, but won by men. It is the spirit of men who follow and of the man who leads that gains the victory.
Putin will lose eventually.
In reply to Post #220
Unfortunately I think the Ukrainians will lose a lot more first.
Nobody is winning in this.
Maybe a few politicians looking to further / prolong their careers
Unfortunately I think the Ukrainians will lose a lot more first.
Nobody is winning in this.
Maybe a few politicians looking to further / prolong their careers
In reply to Post #208
Maybe they could live in their family home...
Or then again, maybe not while Patel is on the job
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60652914
5000 visas applied for (even the fact these people have to apply is a joke) and only 50 granted. 1 per cent of a tiny percentage of the total number of refugees.
But this is no surprise from the government who promised to provide refuge for 200,000 Afghans and have still not set up the system
Maybe they could live in their family home...
Or then again, maybe not while Patel is on the job
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60652914
5000 visas applied for (even the fact these people have to apply is a joke) and only 50 granted. 1 per cent of a tiny percentage of the total number of refugees.
But this is no surprise from the government who promised to provide refuge for 200,000 Afghans and have still not set up the system
In reply to Post #221
Unfortunately they will Mal. The sane know who the aggressor is.
The world's been around a long time and it will be for a lot longer. Plenty of dictators, despot's, ideological rabble rousers and nationalists have trodden the same path as Putin. They all lose in the end. Ripped out of holes in the ground, smashed by opposition forces or dethroned by their own.
Unfortunately they will Mal. The sane know who the aggressor is.
The world's been around a long time and it will be for a lot longer. Plenty of dictators, despot's, ideological rabble rousers and nationalists have trodden the same path as Putin. They all lose in the end. Ripped out of holes in the ground, smashed by opposition forces or dethroned by their own.
In reply to Post #222
There'd be even less according to the charlatan Johnson if he hadn't put, in his words, such a generous system in place for Ukrainians.
There'd be even less according to the charlatan Johnson if he hadn't put, in his words, such a generous system in place for Ukrainians.
In reply to Post #220
"Two winners of many campaigns and battles will be foremost in NATO minds."
Could you expand on that as I'm struggling to grasp the meaning of that sentence?
"Two winners of many campaigns and battles will be foremost in NATO minds."
Could you expand on that as I'm struggling to grasp the meaning of that sentence?
In reply to Post #221
The world in the short to long term looses. If you consider the sheer stupidity of these sanctions on Russia, there will be huge consequences, things like fertiliser shortages, raw materials like metals for instance, Russia is a huge power in these regards. They should have all gotten around the table and thrashed this all out and come to an amicable agreement, instead, we've seen a country invaded, nuclear missiles readied, any sadly many lost lives.
Instead of cool heads, The West has literally lost their collective minds, the repercussions of knee-jerk, reflex actions could have catastrophic fallout. Take the stupid words by our ridiculous Defence Secretary for the Russians to react the way they have is off the charts. I was watching something earlier where a defence expert laid out that Russia's forward balistic weapons awareness capability is very low/sketchy, to the point that any launch of any missile could lead to all out nuclear war as the Russian's can't distinguish between missile types. Apparently the US was going to do a missile test in the next few weeks or so and that has been put on hold because of the situation we're in now...however true any of that is.
As for Boris, jesus, where do I start? Actually, I'd go as far as saying we really are run by a bunch of total incompetents, to the point of endangering human existence itself. These people really aren't the great minds that we're lead to believe. For all Boris's bluster and bravado, he seems like an empty suit.
The world in the short to long term looses. If you consider the sheer stupidity of these sanctions on Russia, there will be huge consequences, things like fertiliser shortages, raw materials like metals for instance, Russia is a huge power in these regards. They should have all gotten around the table and thrashed this all out and come to an amicable agreement, instead, we've seen a country invaded, nuclear missiles readied, any sadly many lost lives.
Instead of cool heads, The West has literally lost their collective minds, the repercussions of knee-jerk, reflex actions could have catastrophic fallout. Take the stupid words by our ridiculous Defence Secretary for the Russians to react the way they have is off the charts. I was watching something earlier where a defence expert laid out that Russia's forward balistic weapons awareness capability is very low/sketchy, to the point that any launch of any missile could lead to all out nuclear war as the Russian's can't distinguish between missile types. Apparently the US was going to do a missile test in the next few weeks or so and that has been put on hold because of the situation we're in now...however true any of that is.
As for Boris, jesus, where do I start? Actually, I'd go as far as saying we really are run by a bunch of total incompetents, to the point of endangering human existence itself. These people really aren't the great minds that we're lead to believe. For all Boris's bluster and bravado, he seems like an empty suit.
In reply to Post #226
But they wasnt particularly knee jerk though, as they knew weeks in advance that Russia would invade Ukraine, so they've has a few weeks to think what the best way to play would be.
I have to agree with your comment about Boris, he is definitely not the best person to be PM right now, for the stick he gets, I'd definitely take Starmer over Boris on situations like this
But they wasnt particularly knee jerk though, as they knew weeks in advance that Russia would invade Ukraine, so they've has a few weeks to think what the best way to play would be.
I have to agree with your comment about Boris, he is definitely not the best person to be PM right now, for the stick he gets, I'd definitely take Starmer over Boris on situations like this
In reply to Post #216
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60653946 no elephant here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60653946 no elephant here
In reply to Post #228
Trust us...
Trust us...
In reply to Post #225
Meaning NATO will look at the long game in this conflict. Putin's people won't follow him forever, Zelensky's will.
They can stand by and watch Putin's hordes bled dry, financially and increasingly likely militarily.
Ratcheting up weapons supply and sanctions as and when they're prudent and most damaging for Putin.
Not so great for the Ukrainians short term unfortunately, but war is a callous business.
Meaning NATO will look at the long game in this conflict. Putin's people won't follow him forever, Zelensky's will.
They can stand by and watch Putin's hordes bled dry, financially and increasingly likely militarily.
Ratcheting up weapons supply and sanctions as and when they're prudent and most damaging for Putin.
Not so great for the Ukrainians short term unfortunately, but war is a callous business.
Just been looking at the UN figures regarding Ukrainian refugees
1.7 million people so far
Over 1 million in Poland
180000 in Hungary
128000 in Slovakia
79000 in Romania
83000 in Moldova
300 visas issued by the UK
We're being totally shamed by nations far smaller and with far less wealth / capacity to help.
For those who are interested - a small way to help
https://www.unicef.org.uk/donate/donate-now-to-protect-children-in-ukraine/
1.7 million people so far
Over 1 million in Poland
180000 in Hungary
128000 in Slovakia
79000 in Romania
83000 in Moldova
300 visas issued by the UK
We're being totally shamed by nations far smaller and with far less wealth / capacity to help.
For those who are interested - a small way to help
https://www.unicef.org.uk/donate/donate-now-to-protect-children-in-ukraine/
In reply to Post #231
Mal, we have actually helped more than any other nation in real terms – if Britain had not realised what was on the horizon and got British Troops into Ukraine training and then supplying the Ukrainian Army with the latest “Fire and forget” hand held anti-tank and anti aircraft Missiles, the vast majority of those refugees would not be refugee's - they would be dead or under Putin's boot in less than 48hours from it starting.
Mal, we have actually helped more than any other nation in real terms – if Britain had not realised what was on the horizon and got British Troops into Ukraine training and then supplying the Ukrainian Army with the latest “Fire and forget” hand held anti-tank and anti aircraft Missiles, the vast majority of those refugees would not be refugee's - they would be dead or under Putin's boot in less than 48hours from it starting.
In reply to Post #231
All those countries border Ukraine so the figures will be high. They are being well looked after in those countries, they speak a similar language, so they have no reason to trek all the way across the EU to come to the UK, that would be stupid.
All those that have families in this country that wish to come will be accepted once all the visas and biometrics (to stop Russians coming in) have been sorted.
We cannot keep accepting every waif and stray just because some bleading heart liberals keep blarting. We have very little room as it is. This country is providing more than enough in financial aid for the crisis.
If you think what we are doing isn't sufficient then get off your arse and go and help instead of continually stabbing the country that has given you all that you have, in the back!!
All those countries border Ukraine so the figures will be high. They are being well looked after in those countries, they speak a similar language, so they have no reason to trek all the way across the EU to come to the UK, that would be stupid.
All those that have families in this country that wish to come will be accepted once all the visas and biometrics (to stop Russians coming in) have been sorted.
We cannot keep accepting every waif and stray just because some bleading heart liberals keep blarting. We have very little room as it is. This country is providing more than enough in financial aid for the crisis.
If you think what we are doing isn't sufficient then get off your arse and go and help instead of continually stabbing the country that has given you all that you have, in the back!!
In reply to Post #232
You could make a very good case that those who pour weapons in to prolong and escalate a conflict should take the people displaced as a consequence of those actions Keith.
You could make a very good case that those who pour weapons in to prolong and escalate a conflict should take the people displaced as a consequence of those actions Keith.
In reply to Post #234
Without those weapons being in place before Putin invaded Ocelot it would have been a “Turkey Shoot” for the Russians.
Making a case like that in circumstances when you're dealing with someone who thinks they are a modern “Hitler” is utterly irrelevant, Putin could not give a toss is every civilian was dead as long as there not Russian.
You're not dealing with the same mind set as the liberal pussy footing around West has, go look up Katyn Massacre, that was under Stalin's instruction (Putin MK1)
Without those weapons being in place before Putin invaded Ocelot it would have been a “Turkey Shoot” for the Russians.
Making a case like that in circumstances when you're dealing with someone who thinks they are a modern “Hitler” is utterly irrelevant, Putin could not give a toss is every civilian was dead as long as there not Russian.
You're not dealing with the same mind set as the liberal pussy footing around West has, go look up Katyn Massacre, that was under Stalin's instruction (Putin MK1)
In reply to Post #235
Strong words Keith, and I best suppose you can back those claims up that "Putin could not give a toss is every civilian was dead as long as there not Russian" with proofs, I mean like something he's said to that effect, or is it a case that that's all in your head?
Had a chat today with a fair few Eastern Euopean chaps and an African bloke who out of the blue asked me what I thought of the whole situation, I basically laid out what I've said here, you know what, not one of them disagreed, and all of them to a man said they blamed the Americans. Two of the blokes actually lived through the Soviet era in Soviet block countries too would you know.
Strong words Keith, and I best suppose you can back those claims up that "Putin could not give a toss is every civilian was dead as long as there not Russian" with proofs, I mean like something he's said to that effect, or is it a case that that's all in your head?
Had a chat today with a fair few Eastern Euopean chaps and an African bloke who out of the blue asked me what I thought of the whole situation, I basically laid out what I've said here, you know what, not one of them disagreed, and all of them to a man said they blamed the Americans. Two of the blokes actually lived through the Soviet era in Soviet block countries too would you know.
Something that has been boiling for some years now may start appearing in the news feeds, the secret bio labs that the Americans placed near the Russian border. Both Russia and China are demanding answers...watch this space |__|
In reply to Post #237
Not very secret then if they are appearing on a carp forum 😂
Not very secret then if they are appearing on a carp forum 😂
In reply to Post #235
I know it would have been mate. I totally agree with sending any lethal and non lethal aid the Ukrainians need. With escalation comes responsibility in my book. So I'd like to see more done to get the innocents to safety, us actively taking our share. Not sending people away cause they've not got the correct form etc. So that those that chose to stay can fight knowing their loved ones are safe and well in a permanent place til they can return home.
I know it would have been mate. I totally agree with sending any lethal and non lethal aid the Ukrainians need. With escalation comes responsibility in my book. So I'd like to see more done to get the innocents to safety, us actively taking our share. Not sending people away cause they've not got the correct form etc. So that those that chose to stay can fight knowing their loved ones are safe and well in a permanent place til they can return home.
In reply to Post #239
Even Ireland have taken in 1300 Ukrainian refugees
Even Ireland have taken in 1300 Ukrainian refugees
In reply to Post #236
There not claims Terry – just go and look at the past and recent actions of the Russian Military under Putin E.g. Syria- Barrel Bombing, Chemical Weapons, Barometric Ordinance etc....... all dropped on Civilians, or was the videos and high witness reports fake?
There not claims Terry – just go and look at the past and recent actions of the Russian Military under Putin E.g. Syria- Barrel Bombing, Chemical Weapons, Barometric Ordinance etc....... all dropped on Civilians, or was the videos and high witness reports fake?
In reply to Post #232
Giving people weapons doesn't help those displaced kieth. It prolongs the conflict and as such, its just as easily argued that it results in more deaths.
My criticism is based on the appalling response to refugees- and I stand by it.
Stokebloke- does nigel farage know you're stealing his scripts?
Giving people weapons doesn't help those displaced kieth. It prolongs the conflict and as such, its just as easily argued that it results in more deaths.
My criticism is based on the appalling response to refugees- and I stand by it.
Stokebloke- does nigel farage know you're stealing his scripts?
In reply to Post #241
Russia was invited in to Syria to clear up the mess that America had started, the same old tactic of formenting a revolution, overthrowing the government, and if that doesn't pan out, arm and fund insurgent forces, all documented and well known.
The chemical bombs claim was bollox, the White Helmets was a total fraud who made up the bogus claims, barrel bombs, I don't know. What I do know is that America smashed the f4ck out of the Middle East with their 'freedom' ordinance like the MOAB (Mother of all Bombs) or their rather liberal sprinklings of Dupleted Uranium leading to thousands and thousands of birth defects/deformaties, cancers and mass death, millions of displaced people's, obliterated towns and cities, 1.5million plus that died in Iraq as a direct result of bringing 'democracy' to Iraq, and what about the 1million plus kids that died in Iraq with the ultra restrictive sanctions placed on the country?
It's estimated that Starlin was responsible for between 20 to 50million people dieing, if we're going to make comparisons, with Putin's death count, I think he'll need a few milenia to come anywhere close. I won't claim that Putin is Gandhi, and that he has larks twittering his name in the hedgerows, he certainly wealds an iron fist, but there is no way on this earth that you can even remotely make a comparison to Starlin. Starlin was a paranoid, sadistic megalomaniac who killed off every member of his family, he was a proper nutter, that ain't Putin I'm afraid.
Russia was invited in to Syria to clear up the mess that America had started, the same old tactic of formenting a revolution, overthrowing the government, and if that doesn't pan out, arm and fund insurgent forces, all documented and well known.
The chemical bombs claim was bollox, the White Helmets was a total fraud who made up the bogus claims, barrel bombs, I don't know. What I do know is that America smashed the f4ck out of the Middle East with their 'freedom' ordinance like the MOAB (Mother of all Bombs) or their rather liberal sprinklings of Dupleted Uranium leading to thousands and thousands of birth defects/deformaties, cancers and mass death, millions of displaced people's, obliterated towns and cities, 1.5million plus that died in Iraq as a direct result of bringing 'democracy' to Iraq, and what about the 1million plus kids that died in Iraq with the ultra restrictive sanctions placed on the country?
It's estimated that Starlin was responsible for between 20 to 50million people dieing, if we're going to make comparisons, with Putin's death count, I think he'll need a few milenia to come anywhere close. I won't claim that Putin is Gandhi, and that he has larks twittering his name in the hedgerows, he certainly wealds an iron fist, but there is no way on this earth that you can even remotely make a comparison to Starlin. Starlin was a paranoid, sadistic megalomaniac who killed off every member of his family, he was a proper nutter, that ain't Putin I'm afraid.
In reply to Post #243
Putin aint a nutter..are you sure? the bloke is a complete fckin loon..
Putin aint a nutter..are you sure? the bloke is a complete fckin loon..
all Putin has is his warped creepy mind..and a vast arsenal off arms...put him and his army up against us and the usa on the ground foot to foot we would smash him..
Biden: get into power, f4ck the whole world up...simply awesome 👌
And now they're gone for cutting off getting Russian oil, well done.
Welp, this could be the begging of the end. Russia retaliates with cutting off gas supplies, Europe starts to go belly up, then starts firing missiles at Russia and all hell breaks loose. Not one sensible voice in the room calling for calm and to cool down, nope.
The thing in all of this is that it's the little people that suffer, those making the decisions are insulated from the fallout, us on the other hand, not so much. Just because they couldn't help poking Russia.
Russia won't bend the knee, ain't happening.
And now they're gone for cutting off getting Russian oil, well done.
Welp, this could be the begging of the end. Russia retaliates with cutting off gas supplies, Europe starts to go belly up, then starts firing missiles at Russia and all hell breaks loose. Not one sensible voice in the room calling for calm and to cool down, nope.
The thing in all of this is that it's the little people that suffer, those making the decisions are insulated from the fallout, us on the other hand, not so much. Just because they couldn't help poking Russia.
Russia won't bend the knee, ain't happening.
In reply to Post #246
thats tripled the price off my pushbike then..
thats tripled the price off my pushbike then..
In reply to Post #247
And what if Russia just decides not to export fertilizer, that's before you add to the mix the cost of food = inflation goes through the roof, recession/depression. Good times, eh?
And what if Russia just decides not to export fertilizer, that's before you add to the mix the cost of food = inflation goes through the roof, recession/depression. Good times, eh?
In reply to Post #248
plenty of ways to make fertiliser..
plenty of ways to make fertiliser..
In reply to Post #249
There sure are, but not at the current low cost which had kept inflation affordable.
There sure are, but not at the current low cost which had kept inflation affordable.
In reply to Post #242
My criticism is based on the appalling response to refugees- and I stand by it.
Plenty of countries surrounding the Ukraine so no real need to travel to the UK is there.........
My criticism is based on the appalling response to refugees- and I stand by it.
Plenty of countries surrounding the Ukraine so no real need to travel to the UK is there.........
In reply to Post #240
Nearly 3,000 taken in by that close neighbour of Ukraine, Israel mate.
Nearly 3,000 taken in by that close neighbour of Ukraine, Israel mate.
Well there is going to be real trouble now .
McDonalds closing all 850 restaurants.
WTF they going to do now with no Big Macs and large fries .
And no chance of going large 🤭☢️
McDonalds closing all 850 restaurants.
WTF they going to do now with no Big Macs and large fries .
And no chance of going large 🤭☢️
In reply to Post #253
mcdonalds need fertiliser to make their burgers go moooo..even though their burgers make fertiliser...
mcdonalds need fertiliser to make their burgers go moooo..even though their burgers make fertiliser...
In reply to Post #242
How many would you like to come in?
The security of the nation and its population comes first whether you like it or not. If someone gets through and poisons the water supply, for example, killing thousands of people, you would be the first one screaming the government hasn't done its job right! There are reports of so called Ukrainians turning up in Calais with iffy documents. Weve been stung to many times.
Sort yer head out! 🤡
How many would you like to come in?
The security of the nation and its population comes first whether you like it or not. If someone gets through and poisons the water supply, for example, killing thousands of people, you would be the first one screaming the government hasn't done its job right! There are reports of so called Ukrainians turning up in Calais with iffy documents. Weve been stung to many times.
Sort yer head out! 🤡
In reply to Post #252
Israel has taken 3000 Jewish refugees, its an ethnostate,remember? They were among the first out.
Israel has taken 3000 Jewish refugees, its an ethnostate,remember? They were among the first out.
In reply to Post #255
How many?
I'd say every cargo plane load of weapons we fly in leaves with a full load of orphan's, people in need of urgent care etc. How many is that bloke from stoke?
How many?
I'd say every cargo plane load of weapons we fly in leaves with a full load of orphan's, people in need of urgent care etc. How many is that bloke from stoke?
In reply to Post #256
I know what Israel was and is.
Ethnostate you claim.
So Judaism qualifies as a race or ethnicity?
I know what Israel was and is.
Ethnostate you claim.
So Judaism qualifies as a race or ethnicity?
In reply to Post #257
What's the point of flying them thousands of miles over hear to a strange land with a strange language when they are already traumatised. They can get everything they need including the love and affection of there own on their doorstep. They will be fine. Those countries are doing a fantastic job.
What's the point of flying them thousands of miles over hear to a strange land with a strange language when they are already traumatised. They can get everything they need including the love and affection of there own on their doorstep. They will be fine. Those countries are doing a fantastic job.
In reply to Post #259
So you believe the EU system of countries has worked so well that their health care, infrastructure and endless amounts of cash can absorb 2 million people in 2 weeks, without assistance? Whilst we haven't a pot to piss in, but can supply any amount of death dealing equipment. Most outstanding post I've read on here endorsing the EU system.
I want to rejoin if that's the case.
So you believe the EU system of countries has worked so well that their health care, infrastructure and endless amounts of cash can absorb 2 million people in 2 weeks, without assistance? Whilst we haven't a pot to piss in, but can supply any amount of death dealing equipment. Most outstanding post I've read on here endorsing the EU system.
I want to rejoin if that's the case.
In reply to Post #260
You forgot to mention the blanket assumption that Ukrainians can't cope with English as a language. Those I've heard on the radio seem OK with it...
You forgot to mention the blanket assumption that Ukrainians can't cope with English as a language. Those I've heard on the radio seem OK with it...
In reply to Post #261
Mate, Ukrainians are some of the brightest, innovative and hardest working in the world. Clearly amongst the bravest and they need all forms of assistance to knock the snot out of the aggressor Putin. That includes looking after their families while they do.
Mate, Ukrainians are some of the brightest, innovative and hardest working in the world. Clearly amongst the bravest and they need all forms of assistance to knock the snot out of the aggressor Putin. That includes looking after their families while they do.
In reply to Post #262
Agreed
It's not much to ask while we facilitate a lengthy conflict is it. I see it as a simple act of decency
Probably why Patel and Johnson can't get it right..
Agreed
It's not much to ask while we facilitate a lengthy conflict is it. I see it as a simple act of decency
Probably why Patel and Johnson can't get it right..
In reply to Post #260
You referred to orphans. Chances are they don't speak English. They would be better off with their own.
The countries involved in accepting refugees are getting all the 'assistance' they need from all over the world via financial and humanitarian aid which we happen to be contributing to hugely. Your making out that we are doing sod all when that's clearly not the case.
You referred to orphans. Chances are they don't speak English. They would be better off with their own.
The countries involved in accepting refugees are getting all the 'assistance' they need from all over the world via financial and humanitarian aid which we happen to be contributing to hugely. Your making out that we are doing sod all when that's clearly not the case.
In reply to Post #258
Both.
I can't say I blame them from fleeing a nation that has the Azov Battalion as part of their National Guard and an armed population, some of whom have extremely forceful prejudices.
Both.
I can't say I blame them from fleeing a nation that has the Azov Battalion as part of their National Guard and an armed population, some of whom have extremely forceful prejudices.
In reply to Post #265
So Christians are a race and/or an ethnic group? The same for Buddhists, followers of Islam etc?
Strange how these people just got terrified of groups like the Azov Brigade, at exactly the same time as Russian tanks crashed into their country. You wouldn't believe it would you....
So Christians are a race and/or an ethnic group? The same for Buddhists, followers of Islam etc?
Strange how these people just got terrified of groups like the Azov Brigade, at exactly the same time as Russian tanks crashed into their country. You wouldn't believe it would you....
In reply to Post #266
I get the impression you don't have much interaction with Jewish people.
If you do, ask them.
There's nothing funny about neo nazi national guard. 🙄
I get the impression you don't have much interaction with Jewish people.
If you do, ask them.
There's nothing funny about neo nazi national guard. 🙄
In reply to Post #267
I'm asking you, you make the claim that Israel is an ethnostate and that religion's are an ethnicity and or race.
I'm asking you, you make the claim that Israel is an ethnostate and that religion's are an ethnicity and or race.
In reply to Post #268
Yes,it is. It was formed for the preserve of the Jewish people, both religious,and cultural..
They exist.
You're either lazy or argumentative.
Yes,it is. It was formed for the preserve of the Jewish people, both religious,and cultural..
They exist.
You're either lazy or argumentative.
This made me chuckle today
Bittersweet announcement but after an amazing 2 years as an infectious disease expert I am moving on. I am now an expert in no-fly zones and Eastern European affairs. Excited to make the most of this new opportunity.
Bittersweet announcement but after an amazing 2 years as an infectious disease expert I am moving on. I am now an expert in no-fly zones and Eastern European affairs. Excited to make the most of this new opportunity.
In reply to Post #269
I know how why and by whom the state of Israel was brought into existence. A lot of British soldiers blood was spilt by the Jewish settlers during it's formation.
You class Judaism as an ethnicity and or race. Therefore call Israel an "Ethnostate" I disagree with that definition. You can't back up your claim in any way.
That's either lazy, you're wrong or my choice, both.
I know how why and by whom the state of Israel was brought into existence. A lot of British soldiers blood was spilt by the Jewish settlers during it's formation.
You class Judaism as an ethnicity and or race. Therefore call Israel an "Ethnostate" I disagree with that definition. You can't back up your claim in any way.
That's either lazy, you're wrong or my choice, both.
In reply to Post #271
I think you need to do some deeper research, not what you think, but what is. The Basic law, or also known as Jewish Nation State Law is a good place to start.
I think you need to do some deeper research, not what you think, but what is. The Basic law, or also known as Jewish Nation State Law is a good place to start.
In reply to Post #270
A R*ddit posters hands typed that. Ⅎᔭɔʞ R*ddit.
A R*ddit posters hands typed that. Ⅎᔭɔʞ R*ddit.
In reply to Post #272
Politicians or yourself don't decide what constitutes a race or ethnicity numpty. Israel is a country built on immigration from all over the world, Ethiopians, south Americans Europeans, Slavs etc. They're one race or one ethnicity my arse.
Perhaps you can point out where in that right wing law, that's a few steps away from apartheid in my view, it says Israel is an Ethnostate.
I won't hold my breath and suggest you don't waste your time.....
Politicians or yourself don't decide what constitutes a race or ethnicity numpty. Israel is a country built on immigration from all over the world, Ethiopians, south Americans Europeans, Slavs etc. They're one race or one ethnicity my arse.
Perhaps you can point out where in that right wing law, that's a few steps away from apartheid in my view, it says Israel is an Ethnostate.
I won't hold my breath and suggest you don't waste your time.....
In reply to Post #273
From a Tweet
From a Tweet
The time can't be far away when NATO tells Putin it will begin conducting a Berlin Airlift operation. A humanitarian air corridor to a designated by NATO Ukrainian city. No military aircraft involved unless aid aircraft are threatened. The anti needs upping.
In reply to Post #276
They were discussing the yesterday, can't believe how far this has been allowed to go and china watching seeing how weak the west are.
They were discussing the yesterday, can't believe how far this has been allowed to go and china watching seeing how weak the west are.
In reply to Post #274
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44881554
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44881554
In reply to Post #277
Well covid didn't have the results they wanted so now it's ww3 time
Well covid didn't have the results they wanted so now it's ww3 time
In reply to Post #278
For the last time.
As the article states, Israel classes itself as a Jewish state. Not an Ethnostate.
For the last time.
As the article states, Israel classes itself as a Jewish state. Not an Ethnostate.
In reply to Post #278
The uk- “We adhere to and judge wrongdoers by Christian values because we believe it's the right way to form a society. All are welcome but our faith trumps all others.”
Uk residents “praise the lord”
Israel- “us too but with Jewish values.”
The world- “you can't do that!”
The uk- “We adhere to and judge wrongdoers by Christian values because we believe it's the right way to form a society. All are welcome but our faith trumps all others.”
Uk residents “praise the lord”
Israel- “us too but with Jewish values.”
The world- “you can't do that!”
In reply to Post #279
Right on,exactly what a lot of people have said..
Lie'rus failed..,wonder what the 'Elites will cook up now'to slow down population increase..
Added on....
Maybe ,just maybe a modern Gavrillo Princip needs to be found,or maybe ,they've got one already...?
Right on,exactly what a lot of people have said..
Lie'rus failed..,wonder what the 'Elites will cook up now'to slow down population increase..
Added on....
Maybe ,just maybe a modern Gavrillo Princip needs to be found,or maybe ,they've got one already...?
In reply to Post #279
What results were they then? And who are these people you talk about? Let's have abit of proof.......
What results were they then? And who are these people you talk about? Let's have abit of proof.......
In reply to Post #280
>Aktually. Reeeeee
Imagine believing this.
>Aktually. Reeeeee
Imagine believing this.
In reply to Post #283
China,they have a global plandemic, they want complete control.A few words in Putins ears to start him off,China will then start with Taiwan and the rest of the world joins in.You had better get kitted up and get ready to rumble
China,they have a global plandemic, they want complete control.A few words in Putins ears to start him off,China will then start with Taiwan and the rest of the world joins in.You had better get kitted up and get ready to rumble
In reply to Post #285
So you haven't got any then
So you haven't got any then
What did they mean by this?
In reply to Post #288
As it's from Twitter it could mean a million things, but the most likely thing will be BS
As it's from Twitter it could mean a million things, but the most likely thing will be BS
In reply to Post #287
I suppose you have got proof as you're an expert in everything
I suppose you have got proof as you're an expert in everything
In reply to Post #289
In reply to Post #290
I'm not the one making that particular statement. It was a very simple question, have you got any proof, clearly the answer is no
I'm not the one making that particular statement. It was a very simple question, have you got any proof, clearly the answer is no
In reply to Post #292
You will see in a few months,China are just sitting and watching.They will know exactly when to strike and exactly how they are going to do it
You will see in a few months,China are just sitting and watching.They will know exactly when to strike and exactly how they are going to do it
In reply to Post #293
Cheers for the heads up mr random bloke I've never met from the internet
Cheers for the heads up mr random bloke I've never met from the internet
https://www.bitchute.com/video/EHhrwFWWAPXu/
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
In reply to Post #280
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/3/11/benjamin-netanyahu-israel-is-a-state-only-of-the-jewish-people
"Benjamin Netanyahu: Israel is a state ‘only of the Jewish people'
Israeli prime minister admits the state is not one for ‘all of its citizens' in response to a critical Instagram post."
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/3/11/benjamin-netanyahu-israel-is-a-state-only-of-the-jewish-people
"Benjamin Netanyahu: Israel is a state ‘only of the Jewish people'
Israeli prime minister admits the state is not one for ‘all of its citizens' in response to a critical Instagram post."
In reply to Post #294
You're welcome
You're welcome
In reply to Post #281
It's a funny old world Noj.
TC and his sidekick think I'm an ethnic christian and therefore a member of Jesus Christ's race
Even though he was Jewish which is a different race and ethnicity apparently
It's a funny old world Noj.
TC and his sidekick think I'm an ethnic christian and therefore a member of Jesus Christ's race
Even though he was Jewish which is a different race and ethnicity apparently
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
In reply to Post #299
Wikipedia, there's a surprise.
For one last time of course there's ethnoreligious groups on the planet, you plank. There's probably scores. The State of Israel is not as you claimed, an Ethnostate.
Wikipedia, there's a surprise.
For one last time of course there's ethnoreligious groups on the planet, you plank. There's probably scores. The State of Israel is not as you claimed, an Ethnostate.
In reply to Post #298
Pure cope
Pure cope
Bloody conspiracy theories.......
In reply to Post #298
with a Ukrainian Jew at the helm of the latest nazi movement it's no wonder the world is
with a Ukrainian Jew at the helm of the latest nazi movement it's no wonder the world is
Russia is supposed to be cutting itself off from the wider internet tomorrow. Instead, Russia will just have an internal intranet.
Big if true.
Big if true.
In reply to Post #300
You're having difficulties with information aren't you?
No need for ad homs either,wind your neck in.
You're having difficulties with information aren't you?
No need for ad homs either,wind your neck in.
In reply to Post #304
Luckily there are about 25 million russians that live outside of russia that can send information back to friends and family
Luckily there are about 25 million russians that live outside of russia that can send information back to friends and family
In reply to Post #303
Noj ,you're of Jewish background, yes?
Is that cultural,ethnic or religious based, how do you perceive yourself? (I refuse to use the term 'identify' )
Do you think those 3 criteria are relevant? Asking for a fiend.
Noj ,you're of Jewish background, yes?
Is that cultural,ethnic or religious based, how do you perceive yourself? (I refuse to use the term 'identify' )
Do you think those 3 criteria are relevant? Asking for a fiend.
In reply to Post #305
Surely Wikipedia says somewhere from someone, anyone, to back up your rubber head claim. I'm not here purely to educate you, worryingly it's your responsibility. Plus it's boring and seems increasingly pointless.
Surely Wikipedia says somewhere from someone, anyone, to back up your rubber head claim. I'm not here purely to educate you, worryingly it's your responsibility. Plus it's boring and seems increasingly pointless.
In reply to Post #307
Noj identifies as sarcastic
We're ethnically the same
Noj identifies as sarcastic
We're ethnically the same
In reply to Post #307
I have Jewish ancestry among others. But I identify as human.
I don't really recognise nationality, especially between countries separated only by politics within the same land mass. All that separates us is our culture, my cousin in Israel who has children with a Palestinian both simply identify as Israeli parents of Israeli kids.
Race is irrelevant. You can paint a ford fiesta any colour you want, it's still a ford fiesta.
Religions are just an outdated part of what shaped those cultures and now do the exact opposite for society than that for which they were originally taught.
I have Jewish ancestry among others. But I identify as human.
I don't really recognise nationality, especially between countries separated only by politics within the same land mass. All that separates us is our culture, my cousin in Israel who has children with a Palestinian both simply identify as Israeli parents of Israeli kids.
Race is irrelevant. You can paint a ford fiesta any colour you want, it's still a ford fiesta.
Religions are just an outdated part of what shaped those cultures and now do the exact opposite for society than that for which they were originally taught.
In reply to Post #310
Wise words.
Wise words.
In reply to Post #308
"The world according to Ocelot".
"The world according to Ocelot".
In reply to Post #312
You better believe it numpty
You better believe it numpty
In reply to Post #312
Anyway, neo nazis in Ukraine, are they a non existent 'construct' too,oh wise one?
Anyway, neo nazis in Ukraine, are they a non existent 'construct' too,oh wise one?
In reply to Post #312
DP.
DP.
In reply to Post #313
Here's the rub,I don't.
Tabloid standard response from you as always. You may froth like the lowest common denominator but you're only bitter. Help is out there,try fishing for fish, not reactions .
Here's the rub,I don't.
Tabloid standard response from you as always. You may froth like the lowest common denominator but you're only bitter. Help is out there,try fishing for fish, not reactions .
After watching Putin with a meeting with the other despot of Belarus it's safe to assume both are going for broke .
At what point does the west intervene ?
Chemical weapons used ?
Millions dead ?
A country totally destroyed and all infrastructure rendered inoperable.
Does anyone think he will stop ?
He's gambling on the west not getting involved as he's threatened the use of nukes .Is sleepy Joe waiting for a Pearl harbour moment ?
Putin is a danger th the whole western way of life .
Thoughts please !!!!!!
At what point does the west intervene ?
Chemical weapons used ?
Millions dead ?
A country totally destroyed and all infrastructure rendered inoperable.
Does anyone think he will stop ?
He's gambling on the west not getting involved as he's threatened the use of nukes .Is sleepy Joe waiting for a Pearl harbour moment ?
Putin is a danger th the whole western way of life .
Thoughts please !!!!!!
In reply to Post #316
At last you've finally given up on your ridiculous lazy
insinuating claim.
I catch and have caught plenty from all over the world in over 45 years of angling, thanks for the advice but it's not wanted or needed.
At last you've finally given up on your ridiculous lazy
insinuating claim.
I catch and have caught plenty from all over the world in over 45 years of angling, thanks for the advice but it's not wanted or needed.
In reply to Post #317
Putin calling in his IOU's in the middle east. 16,000 battle hardened*volunteer's " from Syria heading to Ukraine
Putin calling in his IOU's in the middle east. 16,000 battle hardened*volunteer's " from Syria heading to Ukraine
In reply to Post #319
Like I said his army is a joke for a country the size of Russia .
How is he going to explain to the relatives where little Sacha has disappeared to ?
Obviously using the mercenaries from the Middle East to rectify that problem .
The west's modern well trained modern army's would chew them up .
Just a shame he has a serious nuke arsenal .
70% of his war machine is outdated junk and he can't even rustle up a proper army and has to rely on conscripts .
It's game on !!!!!
Like I said his army is a joke for a country the size of Russia .
How is he going to explain to the relatives where little Sacha has disappeared to ?
Obviously using the mercenaries from the Middle East to rectify that problem .
The west's modern well trained modern army's would chew them up .
Just a shame he has a serious nuke arsenal .
70% of his war machine is outdated junk and he can't even rustle up a proper army and has to rely on conscripts .
It's game on !!!!!
In reply to Post #320
Great take there Rambo...
Great take there Rambo...
David Baddiel makes this point about Judaism, Jewish and Race in his book 'Jews don't count'.
He is not religious. He eats pork. He doesn't go to the Synagogue.
But in 1939 when they were rounding up the Jews he would have been rounded up too. So they were considered a race.
He is not religious. He eats pork. He doesn't go to the Synagogue.
But in 1939 when they were rounding up the Jews he would have been rounded up too. So they were considered a race.
In reply to Post #322
I think that example might be down to who was doing the judgement there...
Not the best role model when it comes to considering a person's race or ethnicity
But he does have a point. Ethnic cleansing doesn't necessarily employ subtlety
I think that example might be down to who was doing the judgement there...
Not the best role model when it comes to considering a person's race or ethnicity
But he does have a point. Ethnic cleansing doesn't necessarily employ subtlety
In reply to Post #323
That's exactly right. He makes the point that 'jewishness'
Is very much based on the attitude of those looking at it.
A right on left leaning anti rascist person may very well not consider antisemitism as racism. Perceiving maybe that they aren't dark enough. Maybe believing that they are all rich and control the world .
However a hateful right-wing person maybe repulsed
By the 'filthy jew' and wants them all wiped out.
They can cop hate from both sides.
That's exactly right. He makes the point that 'jewishness'
Is very much based on the attitude of those looking at it.
A right on left leaning anti rascist person may very well not consider antisemitism as racism. Perceiving maybe that they aren't dark enough. Maybe believing that they are all rich and control the world .
However a hateful right-wing person maybe repulsed
By the 'filthy jew' and wants them all wiped out.
They can cop hate from both sides.
In reply to Post #324
Yeah fair point
I think I'd question the anti racist finding excuses for antisemitism mind...
As is the case with all forms of bigotry and prejudice, it starts with the nasty, tiny mind of the perpetrators
Very saddened to see and hear the accounts of racism against black and Asian students trying to get out of Ukraine from Ukrainian officials... you'd think a bit of perspective might have seeped through.
Yeah fair point
I think I'd question the anti racist finding excuses for antisemitism mind...
As is the case with all forms of bigotry and prejudice, it starts with the nasty, tiny mind of the perpetrators
Very saddened to see and hear the accounts of racism against black and Asian students trying to get out of Ukraine from Ukrainian officials... you'd think a bit of perspective might have seeped through.
In reply to Post #324
antisemitism is so idiotic it's recognised and categorised as racism, yet globally multiple races have people that identify in some way as Jewish.
In reality everybody carries hate around in one form or another, some just have the brains or lived experience to direct it where it deserves to be.
antisemitism is so idiotic it's recognised and categorised as racism, yet globally multiple races have people that identify in some way as Jewish.
In reality everybody carries hate around in one form or another, some just have the brains or lived experience to direct it where it deserves to be.
In reply to Post #320
we have over 1000 highly trained commandos in Norway(cold response) at the moment with many other nato allies bringing the number up even more, Putin would last half hour if it went toe to toe..the blokes a fool..as for any nukes he sent over they wouldn't even get halfway.. now his getting the rag heads to come help him..
we have over 1000 highly trained commandos in Norway(cold response) at the moment with many other nato allies bringing the number up even more, Putin would last half hour if it went toe to toe..the blokes a fool..as for any nukes he sent over they wouldn't even get halfway.. now his getting the rag heads to come help him..
In reply to Post #327
Oh behave will you. That is mental what you're saying. What's this, like a for realz remake of the 300, but with 100 taking on the Russian horde? I take it you're Leonidas?
My sides, gone.
Oh behave will you. That is mental what you're saying. What's this, like a for realz remake of the 300, but with 100 taking on the Russian horde? I take it you're Leonidas?
My sides, gone.
In reply to Post #328
Well so far it's like the 300 have one hand tied behind their backs !!!!
Those Russians are the same as what was in WW2 they rely on sheer numbers but it's not even on par with WW2 as the wheels have come off .
He's now hoping Syrian mercenaries will give him a hand .
So far the Russian war machine is on par with a third world country .
If they came up against a professional well trained army they will be toast .
A good opportunity is being missed to eradicate the misbehaving bear .
Well so far it's like the 300 have one hand tied behind their backs !!!!
Those Russians are the same as what was in WW2 they rely on sheer numbers but it's not even on par with WW2 as the wheels have come off .
He's now hoping Syrian mercenaries will give him a hand .
So far the Russian war machine is on par with a third world country .
If they came up against a professional well trained army they will be toast .
A good opportunity is being missed to eradicate the misbehaving bear .
In reply to Post #329
In think you are not looking at this correctly at all. You're looking at this from a NATO perspective, that being a scorched earth policy. The Russians use a different tactic, it's called the Calderon, encirclement and then eventually surrender. The Russians used the same tactic in Syria and before that Chechnya to great effect.
I think you also make the mistake of having some world police mindset whereby the US and their lackey's the UK et al are the only ones who can make moral judgements, who gave them that badge? Something I've been aware of for some time, and is painfully clear right now: it's a rigged game. You only have to look at the coronation by western powers with the banks, and then the UN with Russian evidence of serious foul play with biological agents near it's (Russian) borders with labs funded by the US, yet without even looking, the UN says it sees no evidence of wrong doing.
Something else you need to concentrate your mind on is the wars that the US and it's minions have been fighting: they've been fighting wars with ill equipped forces, rag-tag outfits; look at how quickly the Iraqi Army folded, the Russians certainly ain't the Iraq Army. In Afghanistan, allied forces got their arses handed to them and eventually fled with their tails between their legs, much like Vietnam.
In think you are not looking at this correctly at all. You're looking at this from a NATO perspective, that being a scorched earth policy. The Russians use a different tactic, it's called the Calderon, encirclement and then eventually surrender. The Russians used the same tactic in Syria and before that Chechnya to great effect.
I think you also make the mistake of having some world police mindset whereby the US and their lackey's the UK et al are the only ones who can make moral judgements, who gave them that badge? Something I've been aware of for some time, and is painfully clear right now: it's a rigged game. You only have to look at the coronation by western powers with the banks, and then the UN with Russian evidence of serious foul play with biological agents near it's (Russian) borders with labs funded by the US, yet without even looking, the UN says it sees no evidence of wrong doing.
Something else you need to concentrate your mind on is the wars that the US and it's minions have been fighting: they've been fighting wars with ill equipped forces, rag-tag outfits; look at how quickly the Iraqi Army folded, the Russians certainly ain't the Iraq Army. In Afghanistan, allied forces got their arses handed to them and eventually fled with their tails between their legs, much like Vietnam.
In reply to Post #330
Victoria Nuland discusses the biolabs on film. US funded. The World 'Health' Organisation is also warning about them now.
Naftalie Bennett is urging the penis piano player to reach an agreement to cease hostilities.
Meanwhile, nobody stands with Yemen but wait till "the next big thing" comes along and gives the opportunity for more gratuitous virtue signalling.
Pffft.
Victoria Nuland discusses the biolabs on film. US funded. The World 'Health' Organisation is also warning about them now.
Naftalie Bennett is urging the penis piano player to reach an agreement to cease hostilities.
Meanwhile, nobody stands with Yemen but wait till "the next big thing" comes along and gives the opportunity for more gratuitous virtue signalling.
Pffft.
In reply to Post #326
Antisemitism often emanates from the conspiracy theory brigade. Hard to sell most of their snake oil without a global controlling cabal in the picture. Their choice for this Bond villain, more often than not are those of Jewish faith. Backed up by the USA and western lackeys is the usual mantra.
Antisemitism often emanates from the conspiracy theory brigade. Hard to sell most of their snake oil without a global controlling cabal in the picture. Their choice for this Bond villain, more often than not are those of Jewish faith. Backed up by the USA and western lackeys is the usual mantra.
In reply to Post #328
you and your history lessons. . god help anyone with you backing them up, you sound like you would shoot anyone in the back.. the Russians have numbers but no clue when it comes to boots on the ground..
you and your history lessons.
. god help anyone with you backing them up, you sound like you would shoot anyone in the back.. the Russians have numbers but no clue when it comes to boots on the ground..
In reply to Post #333
I know, me looking at things logically and without emotion using historical examples analyzing current events, as apposed to your purely emotional responses...
It's amazing that Russia has survived for so long with their terrible army. Must have been pure fiction that the Russians helped massively in WWII, and instead it was the plucky British daring do and good old Yankie firepower that snuffed out those pesky Nazis, amirite?
I know, me looking at things logically and without emotion using historical examples analyzing current events, as apposed to your purely emotional responses...
It's amazing that Russia has survived for so long with their terrible army. Must have been pure fiction that the Russians helped massively in WWII, and instead it was the plucky British daring do and good old Yankie firepower that snuffed out those pesky Nazis, amirite?
In reply to Post #334
Your logic.
Your historical examples.
Your analysis.
Suppose that's with you being the self appointed pivot point and adding whatever weight you decide, purely to achieve your version of balance
Your logic.
Your historical examples.
Your analysis.
Suppose that's with you being the self appointed pivot point and adding whatever weight you decide, purely to achieve your version of balance
In reply to Post #335
Pure bait, not going to bite, I know, I know.... hahahahahahaha
Pure bait, not going to bite, I know, I know.... hahahahahahaha
In reply to Post #336
Wisely, cause the truth is unarguable and must be painful.
Wisely, cause the truth is unarguable and must be painful.
Substitute Kharkiv and Kyiv for Stalingrad and Leningrad. Comparable populations but in the modern world. The aggressor in the 40's was a far more professional, ruthless force than what we're seeing from the aggressor in 2022.
Yet they were routed eventually outside and inside those cities.
How does Putin get Russia out of this, without it becoming, as is increasingly likely, an existential threat to his regime?
Yet they were routed eventually outside and inside those cities.
How does Putin get Russia out of this, without it becoming, as is increasingly likely, an existential threat to his regime?
In reply to Post #334
I wouldn't call myself emotional,patriotic more so..must of had it drummed into me having a father who was a royal marine green beret, got many many photos of his times in Suez,malta, cypress. still have family living in lympstone also..
I wouldn't call myself emotional,patriotic more so..must of had it drummed into me having a father who was a royal marine green beret, got many many photos of his times in Suez,malta, cypress. still have family living in lympstone also..
FFS, stop this nonsense. There is a humanitarian disaster happening RIGHT NOW! For God's sake, put your soapboxes away and have some compassion.
WATCH THIS.
WATCH THIS.
In reply to Post #340
Better posting that plea on a Russian carp fishing forum really Ken. The Putin apologists won't
put their soapboxes away because of reality.
Better posting that plea on a Russian carp fishing forum really Ken. The Putin apologists won't
put their soapboxes away because of reality.
In reply to Post #340
Where is the world's concern for Yemeni civilians?
Anyone ?
https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/03/woke-west-gets-a-wake-up-call/
Where is the world's concern for Yemeni civilians?
Anyone ?
https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/03/woke-west-gets-a-wake-up-call/
In reply to Post #338
You're looking at things from a NATO perspective. The Russians don't fight the same. Take for example having their (Russian) generals up front, the British don't fight like that. As I've changed me to understand, unlike the US who'll blanket bomb the whole place and seek agreements after, the Russians use diplomacy at the same time as being at war, diplomacy and war for the Russians is inseparable, that's part of the reason why Western media and to a greater extent the western leadership keep thinking parroting that the Russian advance isn't effective, add into the equation the time it takes to surround cities to then be able to create their caldron. There's also Western propaganda too which won't admit how well the Russian advance has been, the Pentagon on the other hand is well aware.
You're looking at things from a NATO perspective. The Russians don't fight the same. Take for example having their (Russian) generals up front, the British don't fight like that. As I've changed me to understand, unlike the US who'll blanket bomb the whole place and seek agreements after, the Russians use diplomacy at the same time as being at war, diplomacy and war for the Russians is inseparable, that's part of the reason why Western media and to a greater extent the western leadership keep thinking parroting that the Russian advance isn't effective, add into the equation the time it takes to surround cities to then be able to create their caldron. There's also Western propaganda too which won't admit how well the Russian advance has been, the Pentagon on the other hand is well aware.
In reply to Post #342
It's fugging awful is what it is. Arms flooded in from America yet again. Similar can be said of the people of Papua new guinea who have had the Indonesian government systematically mashing them into the ground genociding a people's with arms sold by the British for years and years.
It's fugging awful is what it is. Arms flooded in from America yet again. Similar can be said of the people of Papua new guinea who have had the Indonesian government systematically mashing them into the ground genociding a people's with arms sold by the British for years and years.
In reply to Post #339
Nothing wrong with being patriotic, but from your posts they seem highly emotionally charged, I mean, where's your connection with Ukraine, surely your loyalties lay in Britain not some far flung county who's outcome will never affect you?
Nothing wrong with being patriotic, but from your posts they seem highly emotionally charged, I mean, where's your connection with Ukraine, surely your loyalties lay in Britain not some far flung county who's outcome will never affect you?
In reply to Post #340
This is also a very interesting watch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00156cw
This is also a very interesting watch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00156cw
In reply to Post #345
maybe they are, but I was brought up to respect my queen and country.. no fault of mine like yours supporting Putin..
maybe they are, but I was brought up to respect my queen and country.. no fault of mine like yours supporting Putin..
In reply to Post #347
Where have I said that I support Putin?
You're conflating reasoning, rationalization, comparisons and then whatever else that you might be making up in your head, to then equate support; you're incorrect with those assumptions.
I've said that I can see why he (Putin) invaded, that's very, very different to saying I support him.
So we're all clear: I don't think Putin should have invaded - I can see why he did given he was pushed into a corner by the US and by extension NATO - I don't want to see Ukrainian soldiers die, nor Ukrainian civilians die, nor do I want to see Russian soldiers die. I'm anti war.
Where have I said that I support Putin?
You're conflating reasoning, rationalization, comparisons and then whatever else that you might be making up in your head, to then equate support; you're incorrect with those assumptions.
I've said that I can see why he (Putin) invaded, that's very, very different to saying I support him.
So we're all clear: I don't think Putin should have invaded - I can see why he did given he was pushed into a corner by the US and by extension NATO - I don't want to see Ukrainian soldiers die, nor Ukrainian civilians die, nor do I want to see Russian soldiers die. I'm anti war.
In reply to Post #348
The thing is Putin has changed his mind on a few times on the reasons why he has invaded. If you have a story, then surely you stick to it, not change it when things arent quite going the way you think they are.
The thing is Putin has changed his mind on a few times on the reasons why he has invaded. If you have a story, then surely you stick to it, not change it when things arent quite going the way you think they are.
In reply to Post #342
You're asking the wrong audience on that one...
If you're not careful you'll get labelled a virtue signalling lefty ...
(We have badges and meet via zoom every second Thursday)
Anyway...
This for anyone?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/12/gove-bids-to-end-ukrainian-refugee-chaos-with-350-cash-for-rooms-offer
You're asking the wrong audience on that one...
If you're not careful you'll get labelled a virtue signalling lefty ...
(We have badges and meet via zoom every second Thursday)
Anyway...
This for anyone?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/12/gove-bids-to-end-ukrainian-refugee-chaos-with-350-cash-for-rooms-offer
In reply to Post #350
That scheme looks like a success waiting to happen. I mean nobody would exploit the system and scam millions, that never happens.
The same system wouldn't house women and children with potential rapists or murderers either.
Will the annual vslwt conference have plant based vol au vents and neutral restrooms this year?
You made a bit of a scene, didn't you
That scheme looks like a success waiting to happen. I mean nobody would exploit the system and scam millions, that never happens.
The same system wouldn't house women and children with potential rapists or murderers either.
Will the annual vslwt conference have plant based vol au vents and neutral restrooms this year?
You made a bit of a scene, didn't you
In reply to Post #351
Mark Dice (YouTube) always has a humorous yet prescient take on the idiocracy infesting the Woke Woke West.
Mark Dice (YouTube) always has a humorous yet prescient take on the idiocracy infesting the Woke Woke West.
In reply to Post #351
It was the long hair noj. Very confusing
As always your little nuggets of sunshine illuminate the issue. At least you don't assume all the orphaned kids are coming to put novichok in the reservoirs...
It's a potential first step with a LOT of questions but better than telling people to go to non existent visa centres in a range of French towns eh?
It was the long hair noj. Very confusing
As always your little nuggets of sunshine illuminate the issue. At least you don't assume all the orphaned kids are coming to put novichok in the reservoirs...
It's a potential first step with a LOT of questions but better than telling people to go to non existent visa centres in a range of French towns eh?
In reply to Post #353
Haha. All the Covid experts / virologists are now extending their generosity and activating their recently dormant Soviet history knowledge, and knowledge from their political degrees in Eastern Europe. (and it seems the Middle East, as well).
I really should have looked here for the latest news these past two years. Never knew we were in the presence of such intellectual prowess. Its amazing that so many are outwitted by a fish with a brain the size of your thumb nail as much as they are. But there you go.
Haha. All the Covid experts / virologists are now extending their generosity and activating their recently dormant Soviet history knowledge, and knowledge from their political degrees in Eastern Europe. (and it seems the Middle East, as well).
I really should have looked here for the latest news these past two years. Never knew we were in the presence of such intellectual prowess. Its amazing that so many are outwitted by a fish with a brain the size of your thumb nail as much as they are. But there you go.
In reply to Post #354
Great Post
It was funny the first couple of times others said it too
Thank god you popped by eh?
Great Post
It was funny the first couple of times others said it too
Thank god you popped by eh?
In reply to Post #348
"I've said that I can see why he (Putin) invaded, that's very, very different to saying I support him."
It's not really though is it. You add weight to legitimizing the actions by claiming to understanding the why.
"I've said that I can see why he (Putin) invaded, that's very, very different to saying I support him."
It's not really though is it. You add weight to legitimizing the actions by claiming to understanding the why.
Copy pasta from the BBC which sounds promising...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60717902
"Hints of progress at talks?
Hugo Bachega
BBC News, Lviv
Are Russians and Ukrainians making progress in their talks about the war? We've been given some indications that maybe they are.
“I think that we'll achieve some results literally in a matter of days,” Mykhailo Podolyak, a Ukrainian negotiator and adviser to President Volodymir Zelensky, said.
He cautioned, however, that Ukraine would not “concede in principle on any positions”.
“Russia now understands this. Russia is already beginning to talk constructively,” he added.
From Russia, Leonid Slutsky was quoted as saying: “According to my personal expectations, this progress may grow in the coming days into a joint position of both delegations, into documents for signing.”
The comments are a bit encrypted, and this can be seen as a sign of how difficult these negotiations are. And there was no detail on what exactly they're talking about. Ceasefire? End of the war? And what exactly are their demands at the negotiation table?
Both sides have already held three rounds of talks in Belarus, which focused mainly on humanitarian issues.
It's day 18 of the war. Thousands of civilians are in desperate need of aid. Dozens are still dying every day. A deal to end all of this couldn't come soon enough."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60717902
"Hints of progress at talks?
Hugo Bachega
BBC News, Lviv
Are Russians and Ukrainians making progress in their talks about the war? We've been given some indications that maybe they are.
“I think that we'll achieve some results literally in a matter of days,” Mykhailo Podolyak, a Ukrainian negotiator and adviser to President Volodymir Zelensky, said.
He cautioned, however, that Ukraine would not “concede in principle on any positions”.
“Russia now understands this. Russia is already beginning to talk constructively,” he added.
From Russia, Leonid Slutsky was quoted as saying: “According to my personal expectations, this progress may grow in the coming days into a joint position of both delegations, into documents for signing.”
The comments are a bit encrypted, and this can be seen as a sign of how difficult these negotiations are. And there was no detail on what exactly they're talking about. Ceasefire? End of the war? And what exactly are their demands at the negotiation table?
Both sides have already held three rounds of talks in Belarus, which focused mainly on humanitarian issues.
It's day 18 of the war. Thousands of civilians are in desperate need of aid. Dozens are still dying every day. A deal to end all of this couldn't come soon enough."
In reply to Post #357
It wreaks of the old Henry Ford analogy of "You can have any color you want so long as it's black."
We are always happy to sit down and talk as long as you agree to everything we want.
It wreaks of the old Henry Ford analogy of "You can have any color you want so long as it's black."
We are always happy to sit down and talk as long as you agree to everything we want.
Nazis? What Nazis?
https://lecourrierdesstrateges.fr/2022/03/12/facebook-autorise-temporairement-les-appels-a-la-haine-et-au-meurtre-contre-larmee-russe-et-poutine-meme-du-groupe-neo-nazi-azov/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=facebook-autorise-temporairement-les-appels-a-la-haine-et-au-meurtre-contre-larmee-russe-et-poutine-meme-du-groupe-neo-nazi-azov
https://lecourrierdesstrateges.fr/2022/03/12/facebook-autorise-temporairement-les-appels-a-la-haine-et-au-meurtre-contre-larmee-russe-et-poutine-meme-du-groupe-neo-nazi-azov/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=facebook-autorise-temporairement-les-appels-a-la-haine-et-au-meurtre-contre-larmee-russe-et-poutine-meme-du-groupe-neo-nazi-azov
In reply to Post #353
‘They' use zyklon b don't they?
‘They' use zyklon b don't they?
In reply to Post #354
I've not seen anyone claim that they're an expert on Covid or the war in Ukraine. If you can point me to where these so called experts are, as clearly thats escaped me, I'll be glad to see it.
What you might be seeing is people discus current events, search out relevant information, they might even have some deep insight or interest in a certain subject, and then post them on these boards. You see, not everyone watches mindless TeeVee soaps, celebrity garbage, empty, vacuous music or are informed by the vomit passed on as news these days; maybe that might be a surprise to you?
Something else worth musing over is that although someone might not be able to describe in detail the exacting measurements of an internal combustion engine, hell, even be able to design one, that shouldn't be any disclaimer from being able to grasp the concepts, or is it that only 'experts' can chime in on, and the mindless vassals should just quit their silly little voices in their heads and leave the mega brain 'experts' to opine?
I've not seen anyone claim that they're an expert on Covid or the war in Ukraine. If you can point me to where these so called experts are, as clearly thats escaped me, I'll be glad to see it.
What you might be seeing is people discus current events, search out relevant information, they might even have some deep insight or interest in a certain subject, and then post them on these boards. You see, not everyone watches mindless TeeVee soaps, celebrity garbage, empty, vacuous music or are informed by the vomit passed on as news these days; maybe that might be a surprise to you?
Something else worth musing over is that although someone might not be able to describe in detail the exacting measurements of an internal combustion engine, hell, even be able to design one, that shouldn't be any disclaimer from being able to grasp the concepts, or is it that only 'experts' can chime in on, and the mindless vassals should just quit their silly little voices in their heads and leave the mega brain 'experts' to opine?
In reply to Post #361
you should subscribe to the globe and laurel instead of the bbc..
you should subscribe to the globe and laurel instead of the bbc..
In reply to Post #361
It's not often we agree but...
It's not often we agree but...
Just watched a short segment on the BBC news channel
Watching a dad say goodbye to his family as he put them on a train from 'platform 5'. Bloody heartbreaking.
Posted this before but it's not out of date. Its a small thing we can all do
https://www.unicef.org.uk/donate/donate-now-to-protect-children-in-ukraine/
Watching a dad say goodbye to his family as he put them on a train from 'platform 5'. Bloody heartbreaking.
Posted this before but it's not out of date. Its a small thing we can all do
https://www.unicef.org.uk/donate/donate-now-to-protect-children-in-ukraine/
Seems there's still a few anarchist's about. Squatting in one of Deripaska's London mansions
Anyone on here put themselves forward to take in refugee's......Mal...... 
What did Elon mean by this?
In reply to Post #367
Musk has challenged Putin to a single combat fight with the prize being Ukraine
Musk has challenged Putin to a single combat fight with the prize being Ukraine
In reply to Post #368
I know. Just seen that. He must be high a fugg. Putin would seriously kick his ass, like some crazy ass Spetsnaz moves, plus a few funky judo moves thrown in for giggles.
I know. Just seen that. He must be high a fugg. Putin would seriously kick his ass, like some crazy ass Spetsnaz moves, plus a few funky judo moves thrown in for giggles.
In reply to Post #366
No .
No .
In reply to Post #366
25,000 British families have in a few hours. Best get in early Wayne if you want to help out.
25,000 British families have in a few hours. Best get in early Wayne if you want to help out.
In reply to Post #371
I have no intention of letting people live in any of my spare bedrooms........others though come across like they will let them even if they have to sofa surf themselves.......
If I was to let someone use my rooms it would be the ****load of UK homeless first.......
I have no intention of letting people live in any of my spare bedrooms........others though come across like they will let them even if they have to sofa surf themselves.......
If I was to let someone use my rooms it would be the ****load of UK homeless first.......
In reply to Post #371
About 90000 now
And that's not including those who have signed up through preexisting charities already
As for the 'if I was going to give a room to someone it would be 'our own' homless' guff. You've been able to do that for years already. And you haven't.
About 90000 now
And that's not including those who have signed up through preexisting charities already
As for the 'if I was going to give a room to someone it would be 'our own' homless' guff. You've been able to do that for years already. And you haven't.
In reply to Post #373
Puts in in mind of
'Charity begins at home' is always said by the sort of selfish
Bustard that wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire'
I saw that squaddie botherer Jim Davidson was trending. I was sadly disappointed . Turns out he was just having a pop at those offering space to Ukrainians.
He said 'They could have always housed ex servicemen'
He was then asked how many ex services he had housed. None was the answer. But that wasn't the point.
He's just as bad a virtue signaller as the luvvies. Always banging on about the Forces. I've read that most cant stand him.
Wife beating *****
Puts in in mind of
'Charity begins at home' is always said by the sort of selfish
Bustard that wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire'
I saw that squaddie botherer Jim Davidson was trending. I was sadly disappointed . Turns out he was just having a pop at those offering space to Ukrainians.
He said 'They could have always housed ex servicemen'
He was then asked how many ex services he had housed. None was the answer. But that wasn't the point.
He's just as bad a virtue signaller as the luvvies. Always banging on about the Forces. I've read that most cant stand him.
Wife beating *****
In reply to Post #374
I had JD as a neighbour for a few yrs, was always pissed.. as for letting a room or more wouldn't this be against some mortgage lenders small print?
I had JD as a neighbour for a few yrs, was always pissed.. as for letting a room or more wouldn't this be against some mortgage lenders small print?
This seriously has to go down as one of, if not the worse presidencies ever.
Not only have the clowns in DC got to the point of near nuclear war, they've tried to isolate Russia and create a bank run - they ignored the fact that Russia has been stockpiling gold for ages now just in case the US gets all wan7y, that failed miserably, they've now helped create a parallel payments system run by China called CIPS which puts SWIFT into a shadow with nearly 16 trillion traded daily as apposed to SWIFTS 7 trillion, the OPEC countries are ignoring Biden's phone calls and are now talking of trading in just Yuan; well that'll be the West fugged, good and proper...collapse incoming...
Yet, the loons in the US and elsewhere are still hard at it throwing out sanctions like there's no tomorrow, oh, and stealing properties/assets like no-one business, like that's going to be attractive to would be investment from overseas clients. What a bunch of fugging nutters we've got running the show.
Wall St and the rest of the Bankster class warned the current US administration not to do what they intended to do, yet they still went ahead and did it all the same, and the latest oil thing is just the tip of the iceberg. India has now bought 3 million barrels of oil from the Russians and told the US that they don't give a toss about sanctions. You add China, India and Russia together and that is one hell of a massive trading block, Brazil is also in the game too. India and China relations are going well after cooling what has been happening of their respective adjoining boarders due to recent meetings. This is one hell of a mess with never needn't happen.
Not only have the clowns in DC got to the point of near nuclear war, they've tried to isolate Russia and create a bank run - they ignored the fact that Russia has been stockpiling gold for ages now just in case the US gets all wan7y, that failed miserably, they've now helped create a parallel payments system run by China called CIPS which puts SWIFT into a shadow with nearly 16 trillion traded daily as apposed to SWIFTS 7 trillion, the OPEC countries are ignoring Biden's phone calls and are now talking of trading in just Yuan; well that'll be the West fugged, good and proper...collapse incoming...
Yet, the loons in the US and elsewhere are still hard at it throwing out sanctions like there's no tomorrow, oh, and stealing properties/assets like no-one business, like that's going to be attractive to would be investment from overseas clients. What a bunch of fugging nutters we've got running the show.
Wall St and the rest of the Bankster class warned the current US administration not to do what they intended to do, yet they still went ahead and did it all the same, and the latest oil thing is just the tip of the iceberg. India has now bought 3 million barrels of oil from the Russians and told the US that they don't give a toss about sanctions. You add China, India and Russia together and that is one hell of a massive trading block, Brazil is also in the game too. India and China relations are going well after cooling what has been happening of their respective adjoining boarders due to recent meetings. This is one hell of a mess with never needn't happen.
In reply to Post #374
The thing is, some people are in a position to help. In their own way, whatever that might be.
If people can't help because of their own circumstances then fair enough.
But deciding its big, funny and clever to criticise people's good intentions when you have decided to do **** all simply makes you a dick. Or attention seeking. Or in Davidson's case, probably both
The thing is, some people are in a position to help. In their own way, whatever that might be.
If people can't help because of their own circumstances then fair enough.
But deciding its big, funny and clever to criticise people's good intentions when you have decided to do **** all simply makes you a dick. Or attention seeking. Or in Davidson's case, probably both
In reply to Post #377
How many have you took in Mal
How many have you took in Mal
In reply to Post #378
Nobody has yet. Read the news.
Like I said. People can help in a variety of ways depending on their own circumstances.
I'll carry on doing what I can and don't need to explain myself to smart arse ****s on here who only ever think about themselves
Nobody has yet. Read the news.
Like I said. People can help in a variety of ways depending on their own circumstances.
I'll carry on doing what I can and don't need to explain myself to smart arse ****s on here who only ever think about themselves
In reply to Post #379
Shows you know nothing at all,I have probably done more than you
Shows you know nothing at all,I have probably done more than you
In reply to Post #380
I wasn't actually meaning you
But thanks for signalling your virtue
The badge is in the post
I wasn't actually meaning you
But thanks for signalling your virtue
The badge is in the post
In reply to Post #381
Thanks
Thanks
In reply to Post #377
Davidson is a complete bellend, he wont take anyone in, no matter where they are from. I've always wondered why people like him use homeless ex servicemen as a tool in an argument, like they should be considered first before anyone else who is homeless
Davidson is a complete bellend, he wont take anyone in, no matter where they are from. I've always wondered why people like him use homeless ex servicemen as a tool in an argument, like they should be considered first before anyone else who is homeless
In reply to Post #379
There's plenty of choice coming across the channel if you really care.
What are you waiting for?
There's plenty of choice coming across the channel if you really care.
What are you waiting for?
In reply to Post #384
An accurate definition of an ethnostate?
I mean we've got to get our priorities sorted right?
'Plenty of choice' ... Nice sentiment
An accurate definition of an ethnostate?
I mean we've got to get our priorities sorted right?
'Plenty of choice' ... Nice sentiment
In reply to Post #376
Stop fretting so much TC. Uncle Sam and the democratic West (I'll include Ukraine in that) are sorting your safety and Putin out.
Read Lavrov's demand words today compared with 3 weeks ago. Markedly different. Plus with every ratcheting up of sanctions, more negotiable leverage for team Biden whilst Putin's hordes get smashed about. Putin's cash out value is diminishing fast while innocent bodies pile up because of his decision.
The dubious ones whose wealthy houses are built on sand won't be forgotten.
Stop fretting so much TC. Uncle Sam and the democratic West (I'll include Ukraine in that) are sorting your safety and Putin out.
Read Lavrov's demand words today compared with 3 weeks ago. Markedly different. Plus with every ratcheting up of sanctions, more negotiable leverage for team Biden whilst Putin's hordes get smashed about. Putin's cash out value is diminishing fast while innocent bodies pile up because of his decision.
The dubious ones whose wealthy houses are built on sand won't be forgotten.
In reply to Post #385
That's exactly what it is, choice. Or are only Ukrainian refugees important?
In other words, you've done nothing. Got it.
BTW:
An ethnocracy is a type of political structure in which the state apparatus is controlled by a dominant ethnic group to further its interests, power and resources. Ethnocratic regimes typically display a thin democratic façade covering a more profound ethnic structure, in which ethnicity – and not citizenship – is the key to securing power and resources. – Wikipedia
You guys are pretty darn lazy, not a credible attribute for a teacher,but a very common one,what subject do you 'teach'?
That's exactly what it is, choice. Or are only Ukrainian refugees important?
In other words, you've done nothing. Got it.
BTW:
An ethnocracy is a type of political structure in which the state apparatus is controlled by a dominant ethnic group to further its interests, power and resources. Ethnocratic regimes typically display a thin democratic façade covering a more profound ethnic structure, in which ethnicity – and not citizenship – is the key to securing power and resources. – Wikipedia
You guys are pretty darn lazy, not a credible attribute for a teacher,but a very common one,what subject do you 'teach'?
In reply to Post #383
He, along with Simon Weston and Katherine Jenkins were involved with care after combat charity. Nope, he didn't take any veterans in and I don't know if the other two have either.
AFAIK Marie Curie directors don't take on personal cases for treatment and the RBL directors also don't provide their own property for rehabilitation.
You just dislike Jim Davidson.
How many Ukrainians will you 'adopt'?
He, along with Simon Weston and Katherine Jenkins were involved with care after combat charity. Nope, he didn't take any veterans in and I don't know if the other two have either.
AFAIK Marie Curie directors don't take on personal cases for treatment and the RBL directors also don't provide their own property for rehabilitation.
You just dislike Jim Davidson.
How many Ukrainians will you 'adopt'?
They actually said this...
And this one...
And this one...
In reply to Post #388
So far as I know, none of those other individuals have used the humanitarian crisis as a means to once again publicise their own nasty little racist agenda to the delight of similarly like minded followers...
As said, criticism of people doing something good for others - regardless of what it might be, or whether or not they have done it before - is not big funny or clever.
But then I dislike Jim Davidson. It's not personal. I dislike all racist bigots.
Have a lovely day.
So far as I know, none of those other individuals have used the humanitarian crisis as a means to once again publicise their own nasty little racist agenda to the delight of similarly like minded followers...
As said, criticism of people doing something good for others - regardless of what it might be, or whether or not they have done it before - is not big funny or clever.
But then I dislike Jim Davidson. It's not personal. I dislike all racist bigots.
Have a lovely day.
In reply to Post #388
He wants to shout his mouth off, and belittle people wanting to take in Ukrainian refugees, but yet he hasnt taken in anyone, he's an absolute pathetic cretin of a human.
He wants to shout his mouth off, and belittle people wanting to take in Ukrainian refugees, but yet he hasnt taken in anyone, he's an absolute pathetic cretin of a human.
In reply to Post #389
More accurate than Trumpton's Putin is a genius contribution
I was actually asked on Monday by a colleague in New York if I could hear the bombing of Ukraine from England! God save Merica
More accurate than Trumpton's Putin is a genius contribution
I was actually asked on Monday by a colleague in New York if I could hear the bombing of Ukraine from England! God save Merica
Muh good guys
In reply to Post #373
Correct Mal......I thought someone like yourself who bangs on about peace and love etc etc would be at the front of the queue to let complete strangers live in your house......
All this talk about Russia being aggressive and making the news makes me chuckle! No noise over the last 5/6 hrs about Saudi flattening Yemen, no noise about Syria or Libya, no noise about us flattening Iraq and Afghanistan......
It's simple in my mind, humanity is being conditioned into major changes coming down the track!
Correct Mal......I thought someone like yourself who bangs on about peace and love etc etc would be at the front of the queue to let complete strangers live in your house......
All this talk about Russia being aggressive and making the news makes me chuckle! No noise over the last 5/6 hrs about Saudi flattening Yemen, no noise about Syria or Libya, no noise about us flattening Iraq and Afghanistan......
It's simple in my mind, humanity is being conditioned into major changes coming down the track!
In reply to Post #394
It takes 2 to tango Wayne.
Russia's ally and no friend of the west Iran is funding the conflict with money, weapons and support in Yemen.
Syria was flattened by Russia at the request of Syrian president Assad, Russia's ally.
Libya is crawling with Russian Wagner mercenaries and Turkish backed troops.
Flattening Afghanistan? Think you'll find the West poured billion's of $$$'s into building up afghan infrastructure and educating women and children.
Now Russia is flattening Ukraine.
It takes 2 to tango Wayne.
Russia's ally and no friend of the west Iran is funding the conflict with money, weapons and support in Yemen.
Syria was flattened by Russia at the request of Syrian president Assad, Russia's ally.
Libya is crawling with Russian Wagner mercenaries and Turkish backed troops.
Flattening Afghanistan? Think you'll find the West poured billion's of $$$'s into building up afghan infrastructure and educating women and children.
Now Russia is flattening Ukraine.
In reply to Post #394
Why would he be at the front?
Why would he be at the front?
In reply to Post #394
Like I've said Wayne - I do what I can - it will be more than many and less than others depending on individual circumstances. And I know others do too. What I don't do is make stupid comments to people who have good intentions which is happening on here.
If you - figuratively speaking - choose to do nothing then that's your call but it doesn't give you a right to criticise / question / pass judgement on people who are
Like I've said Wayne - I do what I can - it will be more than many and less than others depending on individual circumstances. And I know others do too. What I don't do is make stupid comments to people who have good intentions which is happening on here.
If you - figuratively speaking - choose to do nothing then that's your call but it doesn't give you a right to criticise / question / pass judgement on people who are
I do find it ironic the little englanders now are pretending to care about other immigrants 😂
In reply to Post #395
It does by why all the news around The Ukraine like it's the only thing going on??
It does by why all the news around The Ukraine like it's the only thing going on??
In reply to Post #395
The USA certainly enriched the Taliban with billions of armaments, 80 billion.
Go Democrats.
The USA certainly enriched the Taliban with billions of armaments, 80 billion.
Go Democrats.
In reply to Post #399
BBC do a news world service if you're that bothered about it
BBC do a news world service if you're that bothered about it
When you no longer trust mainstream media sources, there is a danger that you swap that mistrust for too much trust in alternative sources, leading to a lopsided skepticism (also that many alternative sources are monetised and can have wealthy backers with specific interests too)
In reply to Post #400
Do you ever get anything correct?
Trump signed the Afghanistan withdrawal deal in Qatar with the Taliban. It was Trump's deal that stated all allied forces would leave Afghanistan by May 21. It was always going to be a remake of Elphinstones/Wazir Khan's deal. Except this time more got out than just Surgeon Brydon
Do you ever get anything correct?
Trump signed the Afghanistan withdrawal deal in Qatar with the Taliban. It was Trump's deal that stated all allied forces would leave Afghanistan by May 21. It was always going to be a remake of Elphinstones/Wazir Khan's deal. Except this time more got out than just Surgeon Brydon
In reply to Post #403
Do you even believe yourself?
https://search.brave.com/search?q=biden+Afghanistanwithdrawal&source=android
The world knows Bidet screwed up, his administration is more concerned with pronouns than the reality of geo politics.
I've given you the ethnostate reality (for everyone who isn't unhinged that is) and now I have to waste more time writing the research you're too lazy/scared to do and post it to you in the equivalent of red wax crayon.
Here's some long numbers for you:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/08/23/staggering-costs--us-military-equipment-left-behind-in-afghanistan/
But somehow you've managed to blame Orange man (bad).
If you want to be noticed,you're certainly going the right way about it.
Do you even believe yourself?
https://search.brave.com/search?q=biden+Afghanistanwithdrawal&source=android
The world knows Bidet screwed up, his administration is more concerned with pronouns than the reality of geo politics.
I've given you the ethnostate reality (for everyone who isn't unhinged that is) and now I have to waste more time writing the research you're too lazy/scared to do and post it to you in the equivalent of red wax crayon.
Here's some long numbers for you:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/08/23/staggering-costs--us-military-equipment-left-behind-in-afghanistan/
But somehow you've managed to blame Orange man (bad).
If you want to be noticed,you're certainly going the right way about it.
In reply to Post #395
What say?
Now you're rewriting history. Assad asked Putin to help him fight off the payed by American mercs™ that attempted to overthrow the Syrian government.
Libya got fugged because Gaddafi wanted to create the Gold Dinar which would have circumvented the petro Dollar. The place got smashed to bits because of Western interference...as per usual.
Lol, the Americans helped sort Afghanistan out? Do me a favour. They had the likes of Halibarton roll in, just like Iraq and have the US tax payer fill the pockets of fat executives like Dick Cheney and Bush Jr with their supposed 'rebuilding program' after literally fugging the place.
Dude, stop drinking the kool aid, it's rotting your noggin. Get a copy of John Perkins Confessions of an Economic Hitman and understand how the world works.
What say?
Now you're rewriting history. Assad asked Putin to help him fight off the payed by American mercs™ that attempted to overthrow the Syrian government.
Libya got fugged because Gaddafi wanted to create the Gold Dinar which would have circumvented the petro Dollar. The place got smashed to bits because of Western interference...as per usual.
Lol, the Americans helped sort Afghanistan out? Do me a favour. They had the likes of Halibarton roll in, just like Iraq and have the US tax payer fill the pockets of fat executives like Dick Cheney and Bush Jr with their supposed 'rebuilding program' after literally fugging the place.
Dude, stop drinking the kool aid, it's rotting your noggin. Get a copy of John Perkins Confessions of an Economic Hitman and understand how the world works.
In reply to Post #404
I seriously hope no one ever believes the pernicious numb skull tripe you post.
Like I've posted, with similar historical parallels, do a deal with Afghan Taliban on the date you're evacuating. Like Trump and Elphinstone did. No surprise they're on your heels in a total shambles.
You choose to call the State of Israel an Ethnostate. Yet can't provide anything from the state of Israel confirming your claim. Or from anyone else actually, claiming your reality as evidence 😂😂😂.
Noticed by whom
I seriously hope no one ever believes the pernicious numb skull tripe you post.
Like I've posted, with similar historical parallels, do a deal with Afghan Taliban on the date you're evacuating. Like Trump and Elphinstone did. No surprise they're on your heels in a total shambles.
You choose to call the State of Israel an Ethnostate. Yet can't provide anything from the state of Israel confirming your claim. Or from anyone else actually, claiming your reality as evidence 😂😂😂.
Noticed by whom
In reply to Post #405
I'll deal in the facts, you carry on in your self induced haze TC
I'll deal in the facts, you carry on in your self induced haze TC
In reply to Post #407
77th Brigade bot verified
77th Brigade bot verified
In reply to Post #408
Infantry marksman actually
Infantry marksman actually
In reply to Post #409
Lol, that's like the equivalent of a boy scouts lighting a fire badge.
Lol, that's like the equivalent of a boy scouts lighting a fire badge.
In reply to Post #407
Notalot your facts are from a source you believe, no different to TC believing his source........neither of you can possibly know if it's the truth though......
I care not about anything anymore........now where is my Chandon and a happy easy life.......
Notalot your facts are from a source you believe, no different to TC believing his source........neither of you can possibly know if it's the truth though......
I care not about anything anymore........now where is my Chandon and a happy easy life.......
In reply to Post #408
You spend far too much time on Twitter, standard response when someone cant counter an argument
You spend far too much time on Twitter, standard response when someone cant counter an argument
In reply to Post #411
You do make a very good point and it's something I think about a fair deal. I mean, what do any of us really know? All we can really go on what is signed, even that can be faked like faked videos which can be CGI deep fake what-not.
Something I mentioned some time back, which I said were ISIS - was Al Qaeda the precursor to ISIS - makes interesting reading... https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/report-israel-treating-al-qaida-fighters-wounded-in-syria-civil-war-393862
Edited to add: that link has been edited as there was Israeli commanders in the original piece stating their shock that Israeli hospitals were treating hostiles of Israel.
You can also search out John insane McCain's pictures with Al Nusra and deals of weapons and whatever to fight the Assad government supplied by the Americans.
You do make a very good point and it's something I think about a fair deal. I mean, what do any of us really know? All we can really go on what is signed, even that can be faked like faked videos which can be CGI deep fake what-not.
Something I mentioned some time back, which I said were ISIS - was Al Qaeda the precursor to ISIS - makes interesting reading... https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/report-israel-treating-al-qaida-fighters-wounded-in-syria-civil-war-393862
Edited to add: that link has been edited as there was Israeli commanders in the original piece stating their shock that Israeli hospitals were treating hostiles of Israel.
You can also search out John insane McCain's pictures with Al Nusra and deals of weapons and whatever to fight the Assad government supplied by the Americans.
In reply to Post #412
I've not got a Twitter account. I've got other sources for the screen grabs.
I've not got a Twitter account. I've got other sources for the screen grabs.
In reply to Post #414
Okay 😂
Okay 😂
In reply to Post #411
As you're getting philosophical Wayne here's a bit of plagerism with my philosophical twist
TC doesn't post facts he posts opinion( for balance apparently)
TC doesn't post facts he posts perspective (for balance apparently)
Mugs see no difference.
As you're getting philosophical Wayne here's a bit of plagerism with my philosophical twist
TC doesn't post facts he posts opinion( for balance apparently)
TC doesn't post facts he posts perspective (for balance apparently)
Mugs see no difference.
In reply to Post #413
Travel a bit more TC, might clear the factual haze you're suffering from
Wrap up with your constant criticism of the UK and it's armed forces. In your many forum iterations it's a constant theme. Why the hate?
Travel a bit more TC, might clear the factual haze you're suffering from
Wrap up with your constant criticism of the UK and it's armed forces. In your many forum iterations it's a constant theme. Why the hate?
In reply to Post #417
Your bait is s4it, nice try though
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/
Your bait is s4it, nice try though
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/
In reply to Post #418
Don't need any bait for you mug. Always troughing on the same trash spots
Don't need any bait for you mug. Always troughing on the same trash spots
In reply to Post #419
B you
>marksman
B you
>marksman
In reply to Post #421
You definitely need to stay off those QAnon websites aswell
You definitely need to stay off those QAnon websites aswell
In reply to Post #422
Like Qanon isn't an FBI/CIA alphabet soup psyop and is totally legit - trust us bro. Never trusted that s4it. Cope harder.
Like Qanon isn't an FBI/CIA alphabet soup psyop and is totally legit - trust us bro. Never trusted that s4it. Cope harder.
In reply to Post #406
You've been spoon fed the links to sources, you've had the chance to read them you continue to stick your fingers in your ears and shout "ner ner,can't hear you".
You don't like Reuters,Wikipedia et al as sources yet deride alternatives as tin foil
Carry on splitting hairs if that's what soothes you. Cope and seeth brother,cope and seethe.
As the man said, you can't handle the truth.
People are dying and all you can do is look for ways to blame Orange Man for everything.
Ukraine is going to hell due to US malfeasance and all you're concerned about is intrawebz point scoring. Great input.
Now somebody is going to pipe up about Wikipedia not being a reliable source 🙄
Ocelot, why don't you post your state of mind in response?
You've been spoon fed the links to sources, you've had the chance to read them you continue to stick your fingers in your ears and shout "ner ner,can't hear you".
You don't like Reuters,Wikipedia et al as sources yet deride alternatives as tin foil
Carry on splitting hairs if that's what soothes you. Cope and seeth brother,cope and seethe.
As the man said, you can't handle the truth.
People are dying and all you can do is look for ways to blame Orange Man for everything.
Ukraine is going to hell due to US malfeasance and all you're concerned about is intrawebz point scoring. Great input.
Now somebody is going to pipe up about Wikipedia not being a reliable source 🙄
Ocelot, why don't you post your state of mind in response?
In reply to Post #424
From wikipedia itself, "wikipedia is not a reliable source"
From wikipedia itself, "wikipedia is not a reliable source"
In reply to Post #425
Even the irony of that post has escaped you.
Even the irony of that post has escaped you.
In reply to Post #424
What totally random shyte at that time in the morning. Going to bed bitter and waking up even more bent out of shape. Belt up stop squawking like a baby.
Whom is noticing me in your warped world by the way
What totally random shyte at that time in the morning. Going to bed bitter and waking up even more bent out of shape. Belt up stop squawking like a baby.
Whom is noticing me in your warped world by the way
Here's a prediction, not a fact as yet.
Sweden and Finland will join NATO because of Putin's hordes attacking Ukraine on his order alone.
Ukraine will become a member of the EU system of countries.
Germany and the EU will spend more on weapons, dwarfing the UK spend
Total reversal of Putin's pathetic reasons for killing women and children in horrific circumstances (that TC understands apparently).
Instability within Russian borders and in vassel states fueled by the West and blowback from Putin's decision.,
Long game victory for the democratic west, achieved in the short term
Sweden and Finland will join NATO because of Putin's hordes attacking Ukraine on his order alone.
Ukraine will become a member of the EU system of countries.
Germany and the EU will spend more on weapons, dwarfing the UK spend
Total reversal of Putin's pathetic reasons for killing women and children in horrific circumstances (that TC understands apparently).
Instability within Russian borders and in vassel states fueled by the West and blowback from Putin's decision.,
Long game victory for the democratic west, achieved in the short term
In reply to Post #428
1: might happen, Russia might invade; who knows.
2: won't happen as they'll eventually fold to Russian demands.
3: hmm, Germany shouldn't be allowed to arm to the teeth.
4: don't know what you're on about.
5: depends on which Russians you speak to. The lefty types would try anything to stoke problems. The general
consensus from your average Russian from what was relayed to me from a Russian is that the more
pressure put on the country, the tighter they rally around their leader.
6: the West isn't democratic, it's pure illusion. Take the backbone of democracy, the courts, the UK for instance
has secret courts, the UK has 'accepted speech' as apposed to the often claimed "free speech".
Something I watched earlier was Tucker Carlson who had a great take. Tucker asked a sitting Congresswoman who is fully behind sending arms and munitions to Ukraine, he asked the congresswoman who's happy to defend Ukrainian borders from Invaders, if she would be happy to send the US military to defend the southern border; she wouldn't answer the question. The same can be said of all of the so-called western "democracies" who are sending arms to Ukraine like the UK, it doesn't look like they're so willing to defend their own borders with the same vehement determination; gets the old noggin 'a' jogging, you know?
1: might happen, Russia might invade; who knows.
2: won't happen as they'll eventually fold to Russian demands.
3: hmm, Germany shouldn't be allowed to arm to the teeth.
4: don't know what you're on about.
5: depends on which Russians you speak to. The lefty types would try anything to stoke problems. The general
consensus from your average Russian from what was relayed to me from a Russian is that the more
pressure put on the country, the tighter they rally around their leader.
6: the West isn't democratic, it's pure illusion. Take the backbone of democracy, the courts, the UK for instance
has secret courts, the UK has 'accepted speech' as apposed to the often claimed "free speech".
Something I watched earlier was Tucker Carlson who had a great take. Tucker asked a sitting Congresswoman who is fully behind sending arms and munitions to Ukraine, he asked the congresswoman who's happy to defend Ukrainian borders from Invaders, if she would be happy to send the US military to defend the southern border; she wouldn't answer the question. The same can be said of all of the so-called western "democracies" who are sending arms to Ukraine like the UK, it doesn't look like they're so willing to defend their own borders with the same vehement determination; gets the old noggin 'a' jogging, you know?
In reply to Post #427
No comments on Ukrainian nazis?
https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/mappingmilitants/profiles/azov-battalion#highlight_text_33841
No comments on Ukrainian nazis?
https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/mappingmilitants/profiles/azov-battalion#highlight_text_33841
In reply to Post #430
Got bored after 3 lines and realising it's just a random bunch of nut jobs, those type of people are everywhere including the UK.
Got bored after 3 lines and realising it's just a random bunch of nut jobs, those type of people are everywhere including the UK.
In reply to Post #431
Don't blame you mate. The old leaders of Azov Brigade have long gone and they've been integrated into the regular Ukrainian army in recent years. Coming fully under army command with it's rules and structure.
Some simpletons have to back up Putin's lie's though.
Don't blame you mate. The old leaders of Azov Brigade have long gone and they've been integrated into the regular Ukrainian army in recent years. Coming fully under army command with it's rules and structure.
Some simpletons have to back up Putin's lie's though.
In reply to Post #429
Point 2: You believe that Putin's demands are the only demands on the table
He's got several issues at the negotiating table after starting a big war obviously for a big peace settlement.
The democratic West has crippling sanctions in place that he'll have to address and lift when negotiating the peace. At the start Putin had his list of demands, in the end the west will have theirs which will water down his. Don't be shocked, that's the way these things work in the real world TC
Point 2: You believe that Putin's demands are the only demands on the table
He's got several issues at the negotiating table after starting a big war obviously for a big peace settlement.
The democratic West has crippling sanctions in place that he'll have to address and lift when negotiating the peace. At the start Putin had his list of demands, in the end the west will have theirs which will water down his. Don't be shocked, that's the way these things work in the real world TC
In reply to Post #431
Like, you know that's like Stanford university, one of the most prestigious American universities, right, right?
You lot show just how far down the road of totally ignorant you really are. Given well rounded information, you just simply pass it off as bollox because it doesn't fit into what you've been programmed to think. NPC's for realz.
Like, you know that's like Stanford university, one of the most prestigious American universities, right, right?
You lot show just how far down the road of totally ignorant you really are. Given well rounded information, you just simply pass it off as bollox because it doesn't fit into what you've been programmed to think. NPC's for realz.
In reply to Post #432
What is it with leftoids and mental gymnastics, seriously?
So you can't see any problem with Neo Nazis being in the normal rank and file wider Ukrainian Army? Anyways, they've got their own regiment within the Ukrainian Army, which is widely known and accepted, that is, within the realms of reality, and not some alternate reality that some might end up believing.
What is it with leftoids and mental gymnastics, seriously?
So you can't see any problem with Neo Nazis being in the normal rank and file wider Ukrainian Army? Anyways, they've got their own regiment within the Ukrainian Army, which is widely known and accepted, that is, within the realms of reality, and not some alternate reality that some might end up believing.
In reply to Post #435
What is it with right wing cranks that can't understand the old and proven adage that my enemies enemy is my friend (for now).
What is it with right wing cranks that can't understand the old and proven adage that my enemies enemy is my friend (for now).
In reply to Post #436
I'm not right wing, saying that, anything right of Mao is right wing, amirite m8?
And no, no neo nazi is ever your friend under any circumstances; squash them like bugs.
I'm not right wing, saying that, anything right of Mao is right wing, amirite m8?
And no, no neo nazi is ever your friend under any circumstances; squash them like bugs.
In reply to Post #437
Just a crank then, fair enough
I'll go with the Jewish president Zelensky's call over yours, probably best you do.
Just a crank then, fair enough
I'll go with the Jewish president Zelensky's call over yours, probably best you do.
In reply to Post #437
In the British army, we have had neo nazis, weve had rapist, thugs, and all manner of unpleastantries, so what's your point?
In the British army, we have had neo nazis, weve had rapist, thugs, and all manner of unpleastantries, so what's your point?
In reply to Post #439
Clearly you'd never get my point.
Clearly you'd never get my point.
In reply to Post #440
So weve had neo nazis in our ranks, and no doubt it's the same throughout other European armies, but Russia haven't attacked them 🤷♂️
So weve had neo nazis in our ranks, and no doubt it's the same throughout other European armies, but Russia haven't attacked them 🤷♂️
In reply to Post #441
They're not openly flaunting their presence in the uk armed forces and if publicised, are removed.
But nazi = good in your world ?
Nazis are my friends because they fight the right tyranny with government approval.
Honk honk.
They're not openly flaunting their presence in the uk armed forces and if publicised, are removed.
But nazi = good in your world ?
Nazis are my friends because they fight the right tyranny with government approval.
Honk honk.
In reply to Post #442
That's a lot of realpolitik for numbskulls like yourself to swallow clearly. Suck it up and get with the anti-Putin program instead of being an apologist for Putin.
That's a lot of realpolitik for numbskulls like yourself to swallow clearly. Suck it up and get with the anti-Putin program instead of being an apologist for Putin.
In reply to Post #442
Oh so that's ok then, only get attacked if they flaunt that they are?? So in theory a European army could have 30000 of these so called neo nazis, but as long as they dont flaunt it then it ok. Right gotcha
Oh so that's ok then, only get attacked if they flaunt that they are?? So in theory a European army could have 30000 of these so called neo nazis, but as long as they dont flaunt it then it ok. Right gotcha
At the end of the day, there have been a long list of excuses why Putin has invaded, from wanting to get Ukrainian troops out of the 2 new areas that he commandeered out of fresh air. To de-nazifying the country, even though the president is Jewish. To keeping Natos missiles from getting close to Russia, even though some of Russia's borders actually sit next door to Natos. Just a massive long list of absolute pi55
In reply to Post #443
No need for ad homs, that's very playground of you. Behave.
No need for ad homs, that's very playground of you. Behave.
In reply to Post #444
Only Ukraine is happy to embrace these types,they exist everywhere but the point I'm making (which raced over your head) is once these rats get exposed, they're history.
In the real world.
The Azov battalion are a Neo Nazi outfit and you two are perfectly fine with that because Orange man bad,vodka bear bad.
Only Ukraine is happy to embrace these types,they exist everywhere but the point I'm making (which raced over your head) is once these rats get exposed, they're history.
In the real world.
The Azov battalion are a Neo Nazi outfit and you two are perfectly fine with that because Orange man bad,vodka bear bad.
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