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Jag RP1 pod (193 posts / 15,635 views)
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #1 1 Feb 2022 18:53
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Jag have just uploaded a short video to YouTube which shows the RP1 in more detail.

May be of interest to some of you.
roman
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Post #2 1 Feb 2022 18:57
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Liking this, would like a base only option even more 👍
djstrauss281 djstrauss281
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Post #3 1 Feb 2022 19:23
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In reply to Post #1
Just watched it. Looks excellent bar the fact on a 3 rod system sgain the rods are so close together the handles are in the way of each other. At 2.31 in the video you can see how awkward it is to remove the middle rod
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #4 1 Feb 2022 19:23
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They are doing that,loads of people have asked on their Facebook
Mart74 Mart74
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Post #5 1 Feb 2022 19:33
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Looks great IMO.

How much are they?
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #6 1 Feb 2022 19:35
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In reply to Post #5
Prolite £429.99,316 £439.99
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #7 1 Feb 2022 19:36
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430 for prolite and 440 for 316 i think with 6 sticks and the case so no need to buy anything else. Im quite tempted.
roman
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Post #8 1 Feb 2022 19:37
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In reply to Post #4
As someone with six jag sticks already, and a new concrete banked water. I'll be keeping my eye on this thanks.
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #9 1 Feb 2022 19:45
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In reply to Post #1
In my opinion they should have sized the holes for excavators and done an insert for the standard sticks. might of bought the base if that was the case.
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #10 1 Feb 2022 19:48
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In reply to Post #9
Kind of like the universal excavator ?
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #11 1 Feb 2022 19:48
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In reply to Post #7
It says on the video it comes with the case too
Richpp1989 Richpp1989
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Post #12 1 Feb 2022 20:14
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I really like it I definitely think I'll be buying one at some point
The-Heff The-Heff
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Post #13 1 Feb 2022 20:24
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Im not a jag fan, much prefer solar, but that does look the absolute tits of an idea.
RKB
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Post #14 1 Feb 2022 20:28
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In reply to Post #6
Blimey.
Mr-Bean-Laden Mr-Bean-Laden
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Post #15 1 Feb 2022 20:33
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In reply to Post #3
Agree. That's why I got rid of the last Jag bars I had. Shame as it looks really good.

Rear 10” & Front 12”, I'm wanting 12 1/2” rear & 14” front
TeeCee
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Post #16 1 Feb 2022 20:44
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4 rod version, when? Enquiring minds want to know....
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #17 1 Feb 2022 21:07
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In reply to Post #9
I dont think that would work and you would just end up losing the inserts. I would say 99% of the people who buy it wouldnt use excavators any way.
djstrauss281 djstrauss281
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Post #18 1 Feb 2022 21:24
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In reply to Post #15
Yeah same here. I had the first edition of jag compact pod and got rid for that same reason. Then bought the jag compact adjustable which works perfect for my needs as hate nothing more having to navigate rods during a take. Might not win any tackle tart accolades but i can live with that 😂
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #19 1 Feb 2022 21:28
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In reply to Post #10
sort of, but no, then you'd need ot buy those.

A wider hole, with an insert to reduce the diameter to take an original bank stick
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #20 1 Feb 2022 21:30
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In reply to Post #17
not if you already have excavators.

plus the insert could be magnetic / clip / screw in place. or people could be less clumsy with a half grand piece of equipment
Goose Goose
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Post #21 1 Feb 2022 21:33
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Another compact form over function pod, not only too narrow for three rods with big pit reels but too short fully extended. Probably to light weight to be stable in strong wind. Some will say peg it down but surely that defeats the object of a pod as if it can be pegged down you could use separate bank sticks or a snag bar settup.
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #22 1 Feb 2022 21:55
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In reply to Post #20
Stainless isnt magnetic. Also the levers would lock the excavators ok but how would you lock the thinner standard sticks in place if there is an insert? They would have to change the whole design of the lever locks to go right through the insert as as well to hold a standard bankstick.
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #23 2 Feb 2022 00:14
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In reply to Post #22
not really an entirely new design just a dimensional task
Euroboybobbin Euroboybobbin
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Post #24 2 Feb 2022 07:07
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In reply to Post #21
Agree Goose

I'll stick to my P1 universal pod. What a bit of kit that is by the way...Solar 🙏
blackfield blackfield
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Post #25 2 Feb 2022 13:58
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Nice pod, but as many are commenting, too narrow for 3 rods IMO. Happy to stick with my Defiant Panther pod which was built to spec and keep best part of £200 for bait.

Don't think people wanting or buying one should be knocked, tho. Their money and choice.
Stickysticky
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Post #26 2 Feb 2022 22:34
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In reply to Post #21
My local tackle shop got mine in yesterday so mid session i reeled in and rushed down to go pick it up.

It's actually not narrow at all. I use Basia reels and there is no need to be carefully lifting the middle rod out. It's quite spacious from that point of view.

I personally would like the centre bar to be a little longer once extended, but that's a personal thing.

The biggest issue I have had is that with my delkim TXI D's, plus jag snag ears, the carry bag does then not close!!!!!!

It's also a light pod. Not a chance you could fish locked up without pegging it down. You'd lose the lot!

stuart666 stuart666
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Post #27 2 Feb 2022 22:40
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I asked jag on fb if the bag would fit everything in with the jag snag ears attached as i have them as well and they said it would.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #28 2 Feb 2022 22:42
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In reply to Post #26
It's strange how the case won't close,the txi-d is smaller than the older version of delkims in the video.If the old delkims fit surely the new ones must
Stickysticky
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Post #29 2 Feb 2022 22:48
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In reply to Post #28
You would think so, but trust me, as I found out when packing away today, they don't!
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #30 2 Feb 2022 23:17
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In reply to Post #29
I'm sure Jag will sort it out,their customer service is superb
Fara Fara
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Post #31 3 Feb 2022 08:18
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In reply to Post #27
Stu, on the video at 2:21 he's packing away RX pluses with jag snag ears..

stuart666 stuart666
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Post #32 3 Feb 2022 09:07
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In reply to Post #31
Yes just seem that Phil 👍🏻 Ive had a reply on fb from jag straight away saying they will fit. Will probably order mine today mate.
Ash-Wales Ash-Wales
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Post #33 3 Feb 2022 11:20
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Whats the best price people are getting the rp1 black version for?
Stickysticky
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Post #34 3 Feb 2022 12:10
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In reply to Post #32
So, I have just had a good play with them to make sure what I am saying is correct.

I have the jag snag ears, I have them extended as far as they can go. Extended to the max they are too long for the case.

I have TXI D's, with the snag ears and the delkim hard cases. When you collapse the pod the two Alarms touch each other face to face, they are then too wide for the case. However if you didn't have the snag ears sooo high, the case would close but it would bulge at the top.

Hope that helps.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #35 3 Feb 2022 12:15
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In reply to Post #34
Not a great design
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #36 3 Feb 2022 13:03
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In reply to Post #34
Below is jags reply to my question i asked them.

Morning Stuart, on the 7&6" sticks (Front of both black & stainless) our snag ears will fit in the bag when on their tallest setting. The only time it gets a little tight is when chunkier alarms stop the pod folding up tight against the main bar. This is easily sorted rotating the alarms so they meet back to back using the locking lever on the banksticks.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #37 3 Feb 2022 13:37
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10 seconds to set up,15minutes to suss out how to get it back in the case
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #38 3 Feb 2022 15:10
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In reply to Post #37
I have the same thing with my Christmas tree each year. :-)
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #39 3 Feb 2022 19:07
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In reply to Post #38
Wrap it in cling film with all the decorations still on and chuck it in the loft.Take out next year,10seconds later it's set up
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #40 3 Feb 2022 19:14
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In reply to Post #39
Will that work for my wife?
Belch Belch
MODERATORMOD
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Post #41 3 Feb 2022 19:40
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In reply to Post #34
. . .so will it close without snag ears (ie. Txi-Ds with hardcases only / Delkim snag ears stashed elsewhere) . . .?

Think I'll wait for the adjustable leg version to get more splay . . .
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #42 3 Feb 2022 22:01
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In reply to Post #40
You could give it a go
noj
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Social photographer...
Social photographer... Post #43 3 Feb 2022 22:04
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In reply to Post #40
Can't you reach the loft hatch?
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #44 3 Feb 2022 22:20
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He struggles with door handles
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #45 4 Feb 2022 08:15
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Oi
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #47 4 Feb 2022 15:48
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In reply to Post #33
£400 with free postage for 316 version
VERNY VERNY
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Post #48 4 Feb 2022 17:48
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Surely these pods don't fare well on uneven ground? Can't see how they would adjust?
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #49 4 Feb 2022 18:06
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In reply to Post #48
I'm pretty sure you'd just adjust the legs to be longer on the sloping side like you would with the super compact. Not that I'd want to use a pod on very uneven ground to be honest
mark1009
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Post #50 4 Feb 2022 18:08
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In reply to Post #48
The banksticks are all adjustable both ends. I like the look of it but am currently using 13ft rods and I like the butt rings behind the alarms. If they make an additional centre pole section to accommodate this I would be interested. Adjustable buzzbars and legs to give more distance between alarms would be better for me. I'm in a minority I know but I like a good gap between the rods. I know these changes would increase the costs.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #51 4 Feb 2022 19:10
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In reply to Post #47
Ouch
Mart74 Mart74
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Post #52 4 Feb 2022 19:37
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Anyone know if Jag are at the Northern Show in a couple of weeks?
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #53 4 Feb 2022 20:13
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In reply to Post #52
Yes they are. They are running a special offer. If you ask for Simon and say “wayne says you have a micro penis” you'll receive a ten percent discount.
Mart74 Mart74
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Post #54 4 Feb 2022 20:25
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If I say he's got a massive penis do I get 20% discount?
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #55 4 Feb 2022 20:30
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No. You'll need to tell him that he IS a massive penis for that kind of discount.
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #56 4 Feb 2022 21:43
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In reply to Post #48
You just losen the thumbscrew and drop the bankstick down to the desired height, takes seconds.
AndyClark AndyClark
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Post #57 4 Feb 2022 22:04
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are the rear legs sorter in width than the front so the rids splay slightly??
Alby
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Post #58 4 Feb 2022 22:10
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In reply to Post #1
I have a 316 Compact and a Micro pod, cant fault the products, well made, look the part and do what they should.

That said the current price points are taking the piss. Jim was on here years back, everyone's friend back then when starting out but things change, seen him on here much lately?

I know raw material costs have risen not to mention all the money he now outlays on marketing etc, look at Companies House and see the changes in company structure, a company within a company that's turned from a hobby into a serious stand alone money making machine, at these prices it's difficult not to be.

Material costs by weight are nowhere near the RRP, factor in that a lot of the parts are CNC'd and mass produced labour costs wont be high. Never mind that most overheads, lighting, heating etc will be covered by the parent company JAG are well and truly pulling your pants down.

For comparison look at Defiants prices, a one man band without JAG's buying power, that should open a few eyes.

djstrauss281 djstrauss281
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Post #59 4 Feb 2022 22:22
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In reply to Post #58
How is he pulling your pants down im confused? Is he forcing you to buy his products? If you don't like don't buy simples really. Their craftsmanship is next to none and their stuff is built to last. My 316 adjustable is almost 5 years old and still looks and works like new. Plus their customer service is top notch. The pod is only worth what people are willing to pay for it and looking online most stockists already sold out lol
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #60 4 Feb 2022 22:29
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In reply to Post #58
Absolute horse s**t. So Jim doesn't use this forum much these days and so somehow that makes him a bad person. Really? Are you serious? Have you spent much time in his company? Or any of the other staff? Don't you think that he might be a bit busy?

So come on then seeing as you know so much about the inner workings of the business enough to come on here and slag people off, how many staff does it employ? Name me a few, and their roles. You're happy enough to be slagging my mates off saying their pulling peoples pants down so let's see how well you know them

I take it you've been to the factory then? You know it's layout well enough to comment on the heating and the lighting and what machines are there and who runs them and all the other stuff they produce?

Honestly there's some s**t posted on this forum sometimes, a lot of it by me I must admit, but considering we are only in Feb this has got to be a contender for bulls##t post of the month.
The-Heff The-Heff
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Post #61 4 Feb 2022 22:40
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In reply to Post #60
So youre not a jag fan then?
Alby
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Post #62 4 Feb 2022 22:40
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In reply to Post #59
I think mine is older than that!!

Its not about what the industry thinks is the norm and what people are willing to pay, its where it ends up. It filters all the way down from pods and bivvys to hooks pop ups and swivels.
Alby
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Post #63 4 Feb 2022 22:41
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In reply to Post #60
I knew that post would trigger you

I bought my Micro off the back of your posts too
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #64 4 Feb 2022 22:49
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It's got nothing to do with being triggered. If you think the stuffs over priced then that's your opinion, fair enough, don't buy it. But what you've done is come on here and essentially call my mates crooks and say they are pulling peoples pants down, essentially ripping people off. So I'm not gonna let that pass am I.

It's one thing to dislike a product or the service you received from a business. It's a completely different thing to accuse people you probably don't even know of being dishonest.
djstrauss281 djstrauss281
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Post #65 4 Feb 2022 22:52
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In reply to Post #62
I disagree fishing in general is an expensive hobby end of. But it also caters for everyone. There are many MANY mid range and low end gear for someone not willing to spend the money that works just as well. Its the way of life whether you buy a car /house/clothes/food the list goes on and on.

At the end of the day going out of your way to talk down on a company you have little to no knowledge of due to their pricing is a bit unfair imo. But hey that's the pc generation everyone has a voice 😂
Alby
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Post #66 4 Feb 2022 22:56
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In reply to Post #64
Are you stupid? No need to answer that, point proven.

I OWN JAG products !!!!

At no point have i said anyone is a crook or dishonest, you must have difficulty reading mate, all I've said is it's overpriced as have others, not only that I've given Defiant as an example of a company on a much smaller scale/buying power with the same service and quality but at a lower price point. I have Defiant products too.

Everyone on here knows you dont work for JAG but like to lick JAG's arse for some reason?
The-Heff The-Heff
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Post #67 4 Feb 2022 22:59
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In reply to Post #66
Second post at least talking about bum lickers today. Maybe its back in fashion
Alby
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Post #68 4 Feb 2022 23:01
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In reply to Post #67
It never went out of fashion for some.
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #69 4 Feb 2022 23:05
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I can read perfectly fine

Material costs by weight are nowhere near the RRP, factor in that a lot of the parts are CNC'd and mass produced labour costs wont be high. Never mind that most overheads, lighting, heating etc will be covered by the parent company JAG are well and truly pulling your pants down.

More ridiculous insults from someone who knows f@@k all. One of my best mates works at jag running production, his son and daughter who ive known since they were small children work at jag, Ash who works at Jag/UPE is one of my customers, I'll be working at his house in a couple of weeks. I know Robbie who actually machines the products and when Ive worked shows for them I've spent weekends away with Tom and Jake. So quite where Jim's arse comes into this I don't know. You really are showing yourself up when you know f@@k all. I'm a JAG fan cos I know so many people there. I've never claimed I work for Jag, in fact I've gone out of my way on loads of occasions to make that quite clear. I don't get paid anything by them, never a penny and I'm not sponsored by them in any way. But the bigger they get, the better and more secure my friends are in their employment. It's called looking out for your mates. You should try it sometime
Alby
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Post #70 4 Feb 2022 23:07
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In reply to Post #64
It's got nothing to do with being triggered. YES YOU ARE
If you think the stuffs over priced then that's your opinion,WE ALL HAVE ONE
fair enough, don't buy it.I HAVE MANY TIMES
But what you've done is come on here and essentially call my mates crooks NO I HAVENT
and say they are pulling peoples pants down, CORRECT
essentially ripping people off. So I'm not gonna let that pass am I. NO ONE MADE ME BUY THE STUFF BUT YOU KEEP LICKING SON

It's one thing to dislike a product or the service you received from a business. It's a completely different thing to accuse people you probably don't even know of being dishonest. SEE ABOVE
Alby
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Post #71 4 Feb 2022 23:13
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In reply to Post #69
Best thing about forums is the heated bar room debates without the shirts off straighteners in the car park afterwards.

The football was good wasn't it

"working at his house in a couple of weeks" You're not a painter are you? Need a few ceilings doing.
bluebeat13
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Post #72 4 Feb 2022 23:16
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I think I would rather lick bum than arse. Sorry if people find that triggering.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #73 4 Feb 2022 23:17
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In reply to Post #69
When are you sending me the free RP1 you promised me
Alby
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Post #74 4 Feb 2022 23:21
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In reply to Post #73
He doesn't work there, never been to the place, gets nothing free or cheap, knows no one.

" I've known em all from birth"
Alby
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Post #75 4 Feb 2022 23:22
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In reply to Post #72
I think i know what you mean.
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #76 4 Feb 2022 23:24
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In reply to Post #71
Heating Engineer
Alby
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Post #77 4 Feb 2022 23:27
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In reply to Post #76
I need a quote for a new boiler, going down the combi rout if poss, move from the landing to the loft, what do you recommend?
noj
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Social photographer...
Social photographer... Post #78 4 Feb 2022 23:31
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In reply to Post #77
The jag 2 + 1 combi. They're a steal at £1,953,413,962.99 but replacement parts can get expensive
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #79 4 Feb 2022 23:32
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In reply to Post #69
Mate he's a troll, a fake profile, probably on benefits, no job, owns no jag gear and only gets joy from winding people up. opinions are one thing but its actually the highlight of his sad little evening to come on here and wind people up.

He seems to think its cheap to CNC things or that there isn't a human element to it, he knows nothing.


YES jag is expensive but its not an entry level brand. you can buy any number of bank sticks brought in in containers from china for half the price. but they are what they are lol.
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #80 4 Feb 2022 23:33
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In reply to Post #77
Ideal logic 30kw or if you want a better flow rate ideal vogue 32kw. Both ten year warranty. Vogues a bit more expensive, and not a cupboard fit, but that won't matter for a loft, but it has a better stainless heat exchanger.
Alby
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Post #81 4 Feb 2022 23:39
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In reply to Post #80
Would you recommend BOXT?
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #82 4 Feb 2022 23:40
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Now you are taking the piss
Alby
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Post #83 4 Feb 2022 23:44
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In reply to Post #79
Funniest thing about Nicks post ref fake profile is that Mozzie is'nt his real name , that's how daft he is.

Nick runs a very very small bait company in Sussex, his mum and dad own it really, they set it up for him because it stopped him running into traffic and banging his head on shop windows.

Blanked off Cemex and spoken to by Nash for clueless posts claiming all sorts, much the same as you will see today in the bait section.
Alby
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Post #84 4 Feb 2022 23:46
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Why? They must use people like you for the installs and the products appear to be from reputable companies?
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #85 4 Feb 2022 23:50
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In reply to Post #83
I'm talking about "alby percy" not being your real name. I do use mine hence you can stalk me like you did lol.

I wrote my parents into the company as a thank you for being good parents, any son wants to try and repay the time invested.

You know nothing of my company and have zero experience of it, and if you look in the bait section I speak in facts. as anyone else in the industry can tell you. and even then I'm biting my tongue lol.
Alby
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Post #86 4 Feb 2022 23:56
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In reply to Post #85
I know all about your bait and company thankyou.

And we all remember you on Cemex
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #87 5 Feb 2022 00:08
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Give it a ****ing rest,yet another thread completely off track
TeeCee
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Post #88 5 Feb 2022 07:32
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So why are you kvetching over JAG's prices seeing as you're like 'teameader' of a multi gazillion company with wages to match. Surely you're rocking a Rolex and driving a high end Lambo, no? This pod should be small change for you.

Let's be honest here, you're in sales, what do you really know about running a business, I mean the nitty gritty? At best all of what you say is assumption on your part, is it not?

I have voiced my opinion on JAG's prices, and I would agree that looking at other options out there, they (JAG) are more expensive than most. Unlike most, as I've found, JAG will replace broken parts without a quibble, to me, that's well worth the extra expense knowing that if an item goes tits up, JAG will replace it. Had kit from the likes of Fox which are made of substandard materials, go belly up, end up talking to some checky c..t in their customer care dept, only to get mugged off and told that it's not their problem, and then send back their w.nk kit back to you all fugged like you sent it to them.

Since JAG came out with their lever lock on their banksticks, as eye watering as the prices are, I'd go for JAG banksticks every single time; so much better than sh4tty thumbscrews.
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #89 5 Feb 2022 08:47
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In reply to Post #57
Back on track, you just spread the rear legs to what ever width you want so you can decide how wide the splay is. Same with the front, just spread the front wider than the rear.
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #90 5 Feb 2022 08:48
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In reply to Post #67
Off track again, you cant beat a bit of rimming 👅
Alby
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Post #91 5 Feb 2022 08:48
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In reply to Post #88
Do Fox do stainless? Unfair comparison, Defiant and Matrix also offer great customer feedback.
TeeCee
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Post #92 5 Feb 2022 09:33
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You will never be accepted in Heaven being a rimmer. Repent now fowl demon 😈
Gashman Gashman
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Post #93 5 Feb 2022 09:38
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In reply to Post #88
Can you imagine the aggro of trying to fit your gear in a Lamborghini
TeeCee
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Post #94 5 Feb 2022 09:49
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In reply to Post #91
I wasn't doing a like for like comparison, as well you can see by reading my post. I was pointing out great customer service vs piss poor customer service...you know? To me, it doesn't matter what the item is, if the customer service dept treats you well, I'll happily buy company X's stuff time and again irrespective of the cost to me.

More importantly, and as I'll ask again, what do you know of running a successful company, I mean like really know? If you know nothing, your points to a large degree are just a baseless opinion and hold no merit whatsoever.

There is another angle in respect to JAG and it's something I've spoken of before, that being I 'think' JAG, like say Rolls Royce are seen as aspirational and JAG price their products accordingly; you'd know this being in sales.
djstrauss281 djstrauss281
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Post #95 5 Feb 2022 09:51
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You can't compare jag with a 1 man show lol, the overheads are miles apart.

Only company in same sort of comparison is solar and their pods are evenly priced if not more expensive if you add buzz bars, pouches etc.

But surely a man with your knowledge would know this
AndyClark AndyClark
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Post #96 5 Feb 2022 10:05
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wouldn't that leave the two outer but grips out of sync with the middle alarm one??
Alby
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Post #97 5 Feb 2022 10:22
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Yes I do, what about you?
TeeCee
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Post #98 5 Feb 2022 10:33
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Mind your own business.

Getting back to what I've already asked you twice already, answer the question, don't evade or try to distract.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #99 5 Feb 2022 10:48
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Fits in an Urus no problem at all
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Post #100 5 Feb 2022 10:51
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Yes it would when using it in 3 rod mode, but would be fine in 2 rod mode. 3 rod says 12" front and 10" rear
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Post #101 5 Feb 2022 10:52
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Just watched the video and it does not show it set up with three rods and them really splayed out.I would imagine as you say it would leave them out of sync
Alby
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Post #102 5 Feb 2022 10:52
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PM me what you want to know and I'll tell you.
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #103 5 Feb 2022 11:04
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Having another look at it you are right it would 👍🏻
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #104 5 Feb 2022 11:06
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Loads of Jag stuff forsale now where people are selling to get this pod I assume
AndyClark AndyClark
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Post #105 5 Feb 2022 11:13
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i have just read on the jag site 10" rear and 12" front,that would be enough to splay the rods.....right,I want one I'm off to sell my youngest kid to a Chinese restaurant as permanent diahwasher
roman
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Post #106 5 Feb 2022 11:28
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Was planning on buying just the base, but now thinking with 9 and 12 inch sticks. I may have the tallest pod in the U.K.😁 Micro bar it is then.
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #107 5 Feb 2022 12:15
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😀👍🏻
Alby
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Post #108 5 Feb 2022 12:18
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Or to pay a weeks gas bill!!!
AndyClark AndyClark
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Post #109 5 Feb 2022 13:49
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any good prices on the prolite version??
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #110 5 Feb 2022 21:17
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Yeah, no , you know nothing. (Y)
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Post #111 6 Feb 2022 00:26
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Instead of a like button, can we get a **** button added, and if enough people deem said person to be a ****, they can be banned?
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Post #112 6 Feb 2022 01:04
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Be no one left on here
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Post #113 6 Feb 2022 08:16
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I picked my up on Tuesday and have had a day session out with it.

- it easily takes 3 rods not issues with reels at all.
- Its easy to level out - i used the palm saver with a spirit bubble in the middle stick then adjust as needed.
- The pro lite is heavy enough imo - you sink the stick in the ground a inch and it wont be blowing over.
- it can be screwed to a stand - a gripe may be how the pod would react if over tightened.
- Packs away into the bag with NTxr's and snag ears. Also fits into a buzz bar (korda) bag if broken down.
- Of the two my local shop got in one was scratched down to the metal on one section (looked like it had been from a vice
- I agree with a earlier comment that it could be a tad longer but not a deal breaker.


I have had two pods in the last two years - both good but at cheaper end of spectrum. They have both had issues after only a year. The jag one is expensive in comparison i am just hoping for the buy cheap buy twice mantra applies
cfc4life cfc4life
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Post #114 6 Feb 2022 17:37
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Thanks for that, something relevant to the topic for once
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #115 8 Feb 2022 09:40
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Just bought the 316 rp1 from das tackle on ebay for £396 if anyone is interested. Ebay have a 10% off code with this seller valid till midnight tonight so saved £44The item number is 275065953507
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #116 8 Feb 2022 11:11
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Cheaper at Future Fishing
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #117 8 Feb 2022 12:54
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Had a look on there website and i could only find the black version which was sold out and it was full price. Ebay is easier as just click buy it now so no having to put all my details in. I will probably never use it as dont carp fish anymore but always a sucker for a new shiny stainless pod. Ive had my mk2 316 pod for years and its still in the box it came in when i bought it all them years ago. You never know the carp bug might come back one day.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #118 8 Feb 2022 13:04
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Still cheaper than a woman's shoe addiction I suppose
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #119 8 Feb 2022 13:09
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Its my watch addiction that causes the biggest problems, fishing tackle is a bargain compared to watches. The missus is actually pretty good when it comes to shoes and handbags so Ive hit lucky there 👍🏻
r0bertb00th r0bertb00th
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Post #120 8 Feb 2022 15:22
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Thanks for the heads up Stu ordered a black version
P.S A watch addiction is a hell of a lot more expensive have the same issue myself :(
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Post #121 8 Feb 2022 15:28
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It certainly is Rob. I would happily sell all my fishing gear before my watches mate. Unfortunately the next one i want is proving very hard to get at list price and Im to tight to pay the ridiculous grey market prices that they are going for these days, its just went stupid.
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Post #122 8 Feb 2022 15:33
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Buy the right watch and youll make money, wish I could say the same about fishing tackle

but Ive ordereds the RP1 and will chop in my super compact and Nano pod
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Post #123 8 Feb 2022 16:25
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👍🏻
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #124 8 Feb 2022 18:24
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My guess is that if you are struggling to locate the watch you want from a main dealer, and don't want to pay inflated grey market prices. Then the watch you are trying to get is a Panda Daytona ??
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Post #125 8 Feb 2022 19:45
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No, it would be easier to find a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow than getting a panda daytona at list price. Its a deepsea with the blue black dial im waiting for. As much as i like the daytona i find them a bit small on the wrist. You would be hard pressed to find any rolex at the ad's. All the ones they have in the window are for viewing only unless you have spent a small fortune with them even then you will struggle to get a daytona. I think the waiting list is 15 years for the daytona at the minute.
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Post #126 8 Feb 2022 20:01
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Panda Dayton's are a myth!! You've no chance whatsoever!!! £40k at a great dealer nowdays!!

In fact you won't get and sports Rolex at retail at any AD unless you have a prior relationship or are spending significantly more on accompanying jewellery

The epitome of supply and demand is Rolex if you can find one at retail pm me and I'll buy it and split the profits with you
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Post #127 8 Feb 2022 20:21
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If only we knew what was going to happen with there prices a few years ago Rob, we would be quids in. The new white gold meteor dial daytona is the best version ive seen. List price is 27k and the last one i saw on the grey market was 120k, not a bad little profit that one.

Its turning into a watch thread 😀 my apologies to anyone looking at pod info.
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Post #128 8 Feb 2022 20:33
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Maybe I should have a word and get JAG to do a Panda RP1
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #129 8 Feb 2022 20:55
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Unfortunately a pod dosent really have the same appeal as a watch 😀 i prefer my pods all nice shiny stainless as well.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #130 8 Feb 2022 21:01
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Watchfinder & Co are worth a look
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Post #131 8 Feb 2022 21:14
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There one of the dearest ones, they have three of the version im on the waiting list for and there 17k so 6k over rrp of a new one from a ad and theres are used not new. I will just have to wait and see if i get a call. The missus is after a watch so might get me up the pecking order a bit when i get hers.
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Post #132 10 Feb 2022 22:52
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My rp1 pod arrived it's a beautiful bit of kit and I can confirm it fits in the bag no problem at all with Delkim tx-d attached

The pod itself is very easy to use and is a thing of beauty I can't wait to give it an outing and test it on the bank

I would like to of seen a zip pocket for the bag to house hangers etc spare batteries like the other jag - ca bags provided theres more than enough room to do that so dont know whey they didnt

I'll add I've got a bit off a jag fetish and this will replace both My nano pod, super compact pod, 2 plus 1 and various other jag bits will soon be on classified so its actually pretty good value for money in my eyes

I'll see if someone can share my pics if anyone wants to see
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #133 11 Feb 2022 11:58
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Just ordered a jag hook sharpening pouch for my rx d receiver and bobbins Rob so will sit in the case.
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Post #135 11 Feb 2022 12:26
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Speero do a lot of different size pouches,they do one with a hard case inner to protect bobbins etc

Speero Tough Pouch
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Post #136 12 Feb 2022 13:26
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Could you take a pic once out on the bank to show it with 3 rod setup? The video looks like it's tight and handles sitting below the body of adjacent rods but people say on this thread it's ample big enough.

Interested to see how close reels sit together if possible
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It says on the website 10 & 12” wide so lay your butt sections on some chair backs at whatever the distance apart they say the pod length is and see for yourself, with your own reels. 5 and 6” for each rod isn't masses of space but usable imo
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Post #138 12 Feb 2022 15:00
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Having your rods really close together was all the rage not long ago, ive never understood the folded reel handle thing mind, it looks ridiculous.
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Post #139 12 Feb 2022 16:44
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It's been statistically proven that unless you have your reel handles folded and wear white trainers. You will not catch.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #140 13 Feb 2022 14:53
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Do you have to have everything JAG too
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #141 13 Feb 2022 15:43
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Don't be daft. No one has everything jag. That would just be silly. As long as you are only missing one shade of the coloured marker pens you should still be absolutely fine. But probably worth messaging them just to be on the safe side.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #142 13 Feb 2022 16:03
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Can you camo the white trainers with the pens
r0bertb00th r0bertb00th
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Post #143 13 Feb 2022 20:53
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I used it for the first time Saturday

It splays put lovely and was fine using my qdx

Unsure how to post pics but I can WhatsApp if anyone wants to post them
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Post #144 13 Feb 2022 23:11
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I must be the only person in carp fishing that finds the jag gear really ugly to look at, the fascination people have with it boggles my mind
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #145 14 Feb 2022 08:11
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Correct, you must be 😀
dillbags dillbags
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Post #146 14 Feb 2022 19:28
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Out on the bank tomorrow with the pod. I had one of these Speero pouches. Perfect for the bits and pieces 👍🏼
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Post #147 14 Feb 2022 23:13
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Social photographer... Post #148 15 Feb 2022 06:04
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I'm not a fan of this pod. Not sure why you would buy this over a worldwide or trident
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #149 15 Feb 2022 07:15
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These single stick type pods are very popular, but I can't see what everyone else sees in them. What advantages do they give over a standard pod with buzz bars? I know everyone loves them so I know it must be me and I'm missing something, the singlez, the trident, and now the rp1 etc all mega popular.
The-Heff The-Heff
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Post #150 15 Feb 2022 09:08
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I really like the idea of being able to take the sticks out and use them as singles, and being able to use a pod when needed without messing about swapping bits over. And the way this one folds gives it an edge over the competition in my opinion.

Not sure id be using a pod in that swim, looks like sticks would go in easy enough.
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #151 15 Feb 2022 10:00
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I never really liked my worldwide always found it a bit fiddly. I did look at the new universal but found that even worse. Each to there own though as everyone has different opinions. Life would be boring if we all liked the same thing. I love how quick it is to set up and pack away. Straight out the bag open the legs and its ready and the same to back it away but in reverse, no extra centre bar to carry separately and add on and no other bits to screw together, i know that dosent take long to do but it got on my nerves. Jag quality of finish is a lot better than solars imo as well. I went for the 316 version not the black.
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Post #152 15 Feb 2022 10:16
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Not for me either, much prefer the the solar universal even though it takes a little longer to setup and costs more with all the extras.
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Post #153 15 Feb 2022 10:19
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Thanks for posting my pics Goose

The real beauty of the new pod over and above any pod ive had before is the speed in which you can assemble it litterally take it out the bag splay it out and im fishing and the same when packing away

The nano/micro pod is fiddly and then you would get pod twist unless you tightened the stage stands with an allen key

the super compact I like but again getting the snag posts in is a pain in the ass

The RP1 pod i simply unfold out the bag and im away

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Post #154 15 Feb 2022 11:08
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Lovely setup. Can't say the same about your choice of beer 😅
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #155 15 Feb 2022 11:17
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Thats not beer,its chav juice
r0bertb00th r0bertb00th
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Post #156 15 Feb 2022 12:09
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chav is a bit harsh
I had the dom perignon ready to go but blanked unfortunately
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Post #157 15 Feb 2022 12:36
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Post #158 15 Feb 2022 13:51
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Nice pictures... shame about the beer

But you hit nail on the head in what you say. And hopefully proved there are no space issues or need to fold handles.
cfc4life cfc4life
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Post #159 15 Feb 2022 14:15
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Thanks for sharing the pictures, is that taken with the pod fully extended, assumes it does extend. Thanks.
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Post #160 15 Feb 2022 14:22
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I agree had a worldwide found it fiddly you can have to many adjustments sometimes
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Agreed, Ww pod is more fiddly but those fiddly bits are what gives it the adjustment this doesn't have.
And the trident achieves the same as this pod but doesn't look wonky or wobbly. I know it's an impression from a photo but it certainly doesn't look like it should cost more than a trident.
It looks good in 2 rod format closed up but in these pics it's all over the place
r0bertb00th r0bertb00th
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Post #162 15 Feb 2022 15:18
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It is extended all be it not fully ill measure it fully extended when Im out next

In a 2 rod set up you can have it however you like at whatever splay you like - that was the same with the supercompact though if you didnt use buzz bars and had it on single sticks

I cant compare to other pods but for me its the best one jag have produced
Goose Goose
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Post #163 15 Feb 2022 16:39
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What length and tc are the Hi's rods?
carpe_diem carpe_diem
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Post #164 15 Feb 2022 18:26
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Does look a well thought out pod with its quick set up time , very nice
r0bertb00th r0bertb00th
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Post #165 15 Feb 2022 22:11
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12'6 hi s 3.25
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #166 15 Feb 2022 22:17
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Are they the hi s you bought from me Rob?
r0bertb00th r0bertb00th
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Post #167 15 Feb 2022 23:03
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Yes mate still going strong
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #168 16 Feb 2022 06:43
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👍🏻 Brilliant blank that one mate.
Freespoola Freespoola
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Post #169 17 Feb 2022 00:37
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Do you think you will ever need the stabilizer/s as Jag show on their advert for this Pod ?
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #170 17 Feb 2022 10:00
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You cant really answer that until you know where your fishing, but it would be handy to have one in the bag just incase you ever needed it.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #171 17 Feb 2022 21:42
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One of these forsale on ebay already,£320 at the moment.Its never seen the bank and the seller says does not really like it
AndyClark AndyClark
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Post #172 17 Feb 2022 21:46
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it was on there the other day,got up to 400 and ended,not sure if someone didn't pay as it was re listed the next day
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #173 17 Feb 2022 21:59
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I think it says something about that
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #174 18 Feb 2022 08:13
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Thats dear, i didnt even pay that for mine.
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #175 18 Feb 2022 08:15
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Mine will probably never see the bank as well as i dont fish for carp anymore 😀
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Post #176 18 Feb 2022 08:38
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Don't see why it would be up for sale already? Why not just return it? Maybe it was a prize win or something like that
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #177 18 Feb 2022 08:41
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Can get them from the shops for not much more and at least if any issues they will sort it for you.
Richpp1989 Richpp1989
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Post #178 18 Feb 2022 09:04
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I agree I would rather pay the extra and get it from a shop, like u say it then has the warranty. Tbh I always think if it's something expensive like that I would rather just pay the extra
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #179 18 Feb 2022 09:23
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Jags customer service is superb, they would just rectify the problem anyway.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #180 18 Feb 2022 10:13
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Thats true 👍
pinhead79
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Post #181 18 Feb 2022 10:39
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Can get them cheaper from certain shops if you ask nicely
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Post #182 18 Feb 2022 10:43
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Solar have apparently got a new bank ware range coming soon.
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #183 18 Feb 2022 10:56
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I dont really like the solar gear other than my original sod pod that ive had for 30 years but that has sentimental value. Everyone has there favourite but its jag every time for me.
The-Heff The-Heff
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Post #184 18 Feb 2022 15:31
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Im the total opposite. Tried jag after selling all my solar, of which i had loads, but just didnt like it.

Im not a pod fan, but this rp1 is tempting. Im hoping whatever solar are releasing is along these lines
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Post #185 18 Feb 2022 16:34
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👍🏻
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Post #186 18 Feb 2022 16:41
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I have never really had much solar gear until recently.I now own their bedchair,chair,snag ears,butt rests and the short arm titanium indicators with the carbon colours heads and all of it is so well made.I am really impressed and they always reply to any questions you may have
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Post #187 18 Feb 2022 17:26
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Defo cant fault there bedchairs and chairs best ive ever owned by a long way. There knocking out some quality gear these days which is a breath of fresh air compared to the usual ***** thats around at the minute.
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Post #188 25 Feb 2022 15:04
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If the front legs were extendable would it put the alignment out with the central bankstick?
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Post #189 25 Feb 2022 15:49
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Yes
Great-Blondini Great-Blondini
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Post #190 26 Feb 2022 14:25
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Looked at one on the bank and when in 3 rod set up the legs are "set" angle otherwise the central buzzer is behind the outers.
Also lots of fanning on the rods as you cannot alter the width when using single sticks.
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Post #191 26 Feb 2022 15:10
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. . .unless there were 'preset' lockable positions on the angles of the arms commensurate with some 'pre extended' lockable positions / markings on the extension of said arms - if that makes sense!?
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Post #192 28 Feb 2022 23:29
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Anyone know where has the best price on these in prolite black?
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Post #193 2 Mar 2022 07:18
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I had mine out for a full weekend on the bank this weekend gone...

- It does fan the rods out quite a bit
- If you are literally a 1mm out on the arms makes the rods look totally out on the tips and butts.
- As said the length of the arms is "set" to align with the central stick.
- Use a palm saver spirit level bubble when setting up in the middle stick makes it easy to level out.
- It could be possible to have them with a extendable arm section in a future design - you just reduce the angle of the arm being splayed out. However would need some calculating first. (JAG i'm here for a test version )
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Post #194 2 Mar 2022 09:42
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Think its more buzz bars and bank sticks not pods. Its called the captive range i believe.
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