Anyone else been unwell recently with this nasty Cold doing the rounds or Flu and feeling like they have been hit by a bus?
In reply to Post #1
You mean the one going under the name covid 19?
You mean the one going under the name covid 19?
In reply to Post #2
No not that one, had that. What I have at the minute is far worse.......
No not that one, had that. What I have at the minute is far worse.......
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Had something 5 weeks ago, first morning runny nose then a lose of smell and taste an hour later. Thought no great shakes. next morning seering temperature and coughing like no tomorrow. Thought its Covid isolated ordered PCR testing took it. Next day negative result. Spent the next 4 days coughing, wretching and snotting over toilet for hours. On 4th day after spending 4 hours coughing up phlegm, wretching and snotting out spit from 1am to 5am. Called 111 and spoke to Doctor who said don't believe PCR test that are only 85% right. 4 hours later it was if a cloud lifted and it seemed to have cleared, Felt loads better 2 days later fellt like **** and called GP who now diagnosed a severe nasal infection and prescribed antibiotics, she also said it was probably Covid first and then this. All through my Mrs didn't have a sniffle or anything but as i finished my antibiotics she came down with a chest infection and prescribed antibiotics.
Lots of friends have had similar around the same time so someone in our circle was a super spreader
still feels like a cold breeze block around the centre of my chest but it seems to be clearing.
the funny thing is the day I came down with sniffles I got a text to have my booster
Had something 5 weeks ago, first morning runny nose then a lose of smell and taste an hour later. Thought no great shakes. next morning seering temperature and coughing like no tomorrow. Thought its Covid isolated ordered PCR testing took it. Next day negative result. Spent the next 4 days coughing, wretching and snotting over toilet for hours. On 4th day after spending 4 hours coughing up phlegm, wretching and snotting out spit from 1am to 5am. Called 111 and spoke to Doctor who said don't believe PCR test that are only 85% right. 4 hours later it was if a cloud lifted and it seemed to have cleared, Felt loads better 2 days later fellt like **** and called GP who now diagnosed a severe nasal infection and prescribed antibiotics, she also said it was probably Covid first and then this. All through my Mrs didn't have a sniffle or anything but as i finished my antibiotics she came down with a chest infection and prescribed antibiotics.
Lots of friends have had similar around the same time so someone in our circle was a super spreader
still feels like a cold breeze block around the centre of my chest but it seems to be clearing. the funny thing is the day I came down with sniffles I got a text to have my booster
In reply to Post #4
Due to all the masking etc over the last 18 months plus not many of us have had the delights of the usual bad cold / flu which we usually endure. So we usually have some immunity from having them the year before.
Now folk have stopped masking, social distancing, washing their hands etc, it's no wonder more are getting them this time around, they are respiratory illnesses so all fairly similar.
I guess like all things our immune system decides how bad we get it - some less than others, some worse...
In our household we all had a sore throat cough for a few days but it was very mild.
Due to all the masking etc over the last 18 months plus not many of us have had the delights of the usual bad cold / flu which we usually endure. So we usually have some immunity from having them the year before.
Now folk have stopped masking, social distancing, washing their hands etc, it's no wonder more are getting them this time around, they are respiratory illnesses so all fairly similar.
I guess like all things our immune system decides how bad we get it - some less than others, some worse...
In our household we all had a sore throat cough for a few days but it was very mild.
Mine started off with my shoulders aching at work around 6pm Tuesday. I got home just after 10pm and my whole body was aching like I had been beaten up. Had the worse nights sleep ever and woke the wednesday morning with a temp of 38.5. Spent the next 2 days in bed absolutely freezing with serious shivering. Yesterday morning my fever went, temp dropped back to normal and was left with muscle ache and the mother of all headaches which cleared as the day went on so thought I was going to feel better today only to wake up feeling worse than I did on day 1 but without the fever but this has been replaced with a chesty cough.......fecking lockdown........ 
In reply to Post #6
I caught norovirus in the UK four days before I left for Brazil Wayne. Just had a bit of a tummy ache at first... Then I got to Brazil where the daily temps are like 32-34 degrees. The virus went absolutely crazy inside me. I was so ill I thought I was dying. For the first ten days I was here I was so sick everyday. Did not eat a solitary thing for 12 days. Could not leave the apartment for 12 days.
Never been that ill in my entire life. I'm sure it's connected to lock down etc & lower immunity than normal.
I caught norovirus in the UK four days before I left for Brazil Wayne. Just had a bit of a tummy ache at first... Then I got to Brazil where the daily temps are like 32-34 degrees. The virus went absolutely crazy inside me. I was so ill I thought I was dying. For the first ten days I was here I was so sick everyday. Did not eat a solitary thing for 12 days. Could not leave the apartment for 12 days.
Never been that ill in my entire life. I'm sure it's connected to lock down etc & lower immunity than normal.
In reply to Post #7
Normal seasonal bugs are having a right old come back Mark.....
Normal seasonal bugs are having a right old come back Mark.....
In reply to Post #1
I think the thing to remember Wayne is that a couple of years ago we would get a nasty cold or the dreaded man flu, get some night nurse down ya neck and wrap up for the duration. HOWEVER, it has been reported that this NEW Influenza, CV or whatever you want to label it is knocking a few for six. Thats the trouble with these Influenzas they can change a little or be manipulated using gain of function & manipulate it to make them this way.
This winter will be a massive EYE OPENER for many I fear.
I think the thing to remember Wayne is that a couple of years ago we would get a nasty cold or the dreaded man flu, get some night nurse down ya neck and wrap up for the duration. HOWEVER, it has been reported that this NEW Influenza, CV or whatever you want to label it is knocking a few for six. Thats the trouble with these Influenzas they can change a little or be manipulated using gain of function & manipulate it to make them this way.
This winter will be a massive EYE OPENER for many I fear.
Very rarely get colds but since having the booster jab 12 days ago I had aching shoulder for the first 2 days and never experienced such cold symptoms ever, in that I've aching back, legs, arms, sore throat ‘constantly sore' and the rubbish being brought up i could have half filled a bucket.
Had Astra veneca first two jabs with no side effects and the Pfizer for the booster and since then I've never felt so unwell in all my life.
Had Astra veneca first two jabs with no side effects and the Pfizer for the booster and since then I've never felt so unwell in all my life.
In reply to Post #9
What the **** are you going on about, Wayne's said it isn't covid and a nasty cold.
What the **** are you going on about, Wayne's said it isn't covid and a nasty cold.
In reply to Post #10
That's worth knowing.
I just got my text invite for my booster. Same as you, I had astra 1st 2 jabs with no side effects at all. If I can opt for the same again I might take that route.
As for Wayne and his cold - get a flu jab you moaning git 😉
That's worth knowing.
I just got my text invite for my booster. Same as you, I had astra 1st 2 jabs with no side effects at all. If I can opt for the same again I might take that route.
As for Wayne and his cold - get a flu jab you moaning git 😉
In reply to Post #12
I'm 46 Mal, so ain't getting no flu jab........
I'm still rough though.........got a chest infection, inflamed sinuses which is bloody painful and now no taste or smell........
I'm 46 Mal, so ain't getting no flu jab........
I'm still rough though.........got a chest infection, inflamed sinuses which is bloody painful and now no taste or smell........
In reply to Post #13
Sounds like flu, ride it out, and then get the jab
Sounds like flu, ride it out, and then get the jab
In reply to Post #10
I had Astra first two absolutely fine.
Booster was Moderna felt a little jaded the next two days, other half had the same regime and she was absolutely fine. I think the rationale behind the booster being different is it gives better protection.
Some folk I know have been more unwell after the boosters for a day or two though all completely fine.
Anything for a nice family Xmas this year be good to see the grandkids 🤞
Sure you'll be over the flu soon Wayne all bugs out of the way for 🤶
I had Astra first two absolutely fine.
Booster was Moderna felt a little jaded the next two days, other half had the same regime and she was absolutely fine. I think the rationale behind the booster being different is it gives better protection.
Some folk I know have been more unwell after the boosters for a day or two though all completely fine.
Anything for a nice family Xmas this year be good to see the grandkids 🤞
Sure you'll be over the flu soon Wayne all bugs out of the way for 🤶
In reply to Post #13
A trip to the quack and some antibiotics might be in order to sort that chest infection and avoid complications if you haven't already gone down that route. At least give them a call perhaps.
Might be a different bug but my misses brought something back from her French class but only lasted a few days, sore throat, few coughs and a slight headache for most of a day.
I was expecting it to be worse considering it's the first thing we've picked up in 2 years.
Had proper flu many years ago and it knocked me out for a few weeks. Since then nothing has lasted more than a few days so never felt the need for a flu jab. Famous last words of course.
A trip to the quack and some antibiotics might be in order to sort that chest infection and avoid complications if you haven't already gone down that route. At least give them a call perhaps.
Might be a different bug but my misses brought something back from her French class but only lasted a few days, sore throat, few coughs and a slight headache for most of a day.
I was expecting it to be worse considering it's the first thing we've picked up in 2 years.
Had proper flu many years ago and it knocked me out for a few weeks. Since then nothing has lasted more than a few days so never felt the need for a flu jab. Famous last words of course.
In reply to Post #16
I hope so Jason......
Went docs and got antibiotics on Monday, ain't had them for years though!
I'm normally ok with colds etc and can't remember the last time an illness knocked me for 6 but this ****er has done me in!
I hope so Jason......
Went docs and got antibiotics on Monday, ain't had them for years though!
I'm normally ok with colds etc and can't remember the last time an illness knocked me for 6 but this ****er has done me in!
In reply to Post #10
Side effects with my two Pfizer jabs, Flu jab and Moderna booster absolutely fine although my Johnson looks to have shrunk back to it's winter hibernation size.
Side effects with my two Pfizer jabs, Flu jab and Moderna booster absolutely fine although my Johnson looks to have shrunk back to it's winter hibernation size.
Well the saga continues, thought I was having a heart attack this morning. Came to A&E and would appear I have Covid after tests........unbelievable....... 
In reply to Post #19
Not really unbelievable is it?
Hope you get well soon...
Are you having to isolate?
BTW- you can now speak with authority on the non vaxxed taking up valuable NHS time at least.
Not really unbelievable is it?
Hope you get well soon...
Are you having to isolate?
BTW- you can now speak with authority on the non vaxxed taking up valuable NHS time at least.
In reply to Post #18
Still feel absolutely terrible. Was due go to wedding today but just can't face it. Never felt so unwell.
Still feel absolutely terrible. Was due go to wedding today but just can't face it. Never felt so unwell.
In reply to Post #20
.........I'm here for chest pains Mal.......not Covid ffs......plenty of vaccinated taking up NHS time too don't forget....... 
You got Omi Tazi........most cases in the UK are DJ I read this morning.......according to Mal their taking up / wasting the NHS's time......
Hope you feel better soon.......
.........I'm here for chest pains Mal.......not Covid ffs......plenty of vaccinated taking up NHS time too don't forget....... You got Omi Tazi........most cases in the UK are DJ I read this morning.......according to Mal their taking up / wasting the NHS's time......
Hope you feel better soon.......
In reply to Post #22
Hope so too.....cheers mate.
Hope so too.....cheers mate.
In reply to Post #22
Chest pains from Covid Wayne. It's a fairly common symptom for those needing hospital treatment now I'm told. Clearly worse than the last two times you had it mate. You're the new record for me... Don't know anyone else who's had it three times.
Hope both you and Tazi feel better soon...
Get yourself a jab mate! Spoke to my son last night and it's kicking off again big style right now in the UK.
Where I am in Fortaleza... 98% adults one jab... 93% two or three jabs. 100% mask wearing... Far higher percentages than the UK... Barely any covid cases here at the mo.
Chest pains from Covid Wayne. It's a fairly common symptom for those needing hospital treatment now I'm told. Clearly worse than the last two times you had it mate. You're the new record for me... Don't know anyone else who's had it three times.
Hope both you and Tazi feel better soon...
Get yourself a jab mate! Spoke to my son last night and it's kicking off again big style right now in the UK.
Where I am in Fortaleza... 98% adults one jab... 93% two or three jabs. 100% mask wearing... Far higher percentages than the UK... Barely any covid cases here at the mo.
Why did the other thread get deleted? I can take a great guess 😂
In reply to Post #20
BTW- you can now speak with authority on the non vaxxed taking up valuable NHS time at least
Get well soon Wayne
BTW- you can now speak with authority on the non vaxxed taking up valuable NHS time at least
Get well soon Wayne
In reply to Post #24
This is second confirmed time Mark........first was February this year.....
My antibodies must be through the bloody roof now.......
Heart tests back, all clear and discharged so back to bed for me.......
This is second confirmed time Mark........first was February this year.....
My antibodies must be through the bloody roof now.......
Heart tests back, all clear and discharged so back to bed for me.......
In reply to Post #27
Good to see your are out of hospital and it's not a heart attack 👍🏼
Yep chest pains can happen with covid.
I guess this time it's hitting your lungs a bit harder.
Good to see your are out of hospital and it's not a heart attack 👍🏼
Yep chest pains can happen with covid.
I guess this time it's hitting your lungs a bit harder.
In reply to Post #27
Result
Result
In reply to Post #27
All the best mate and hope you're better soon.
All the best mate and hope you're better soon.
I might have to review my position as an atheist.
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In reply to Post #27
Get well soon mate.
I have also had the cold many are talking bout. Felt bloody awful. First time in 21 years of working that I went home early on two consecutive days due to having nothing left in the tank. Took two weeks to disappear. A constant headache that moved around my head but what was really odd was that I had tooth ache in every tooth! This sounds weird but it was a relief to floss??? Nasty bug that one was.
Went to my little girls football yesterday and a family was there that had just came out of isolation from covid and during the whole thing their lat flow tests came up negative yet all but one came up positive from a PCR. We have no chance of getting on top of this.
Get well soon mate.
I have also had the cold many are talking bout. Felt bloody awful. First time in 21 years of working that I went home early on two consecutive days due to having nothing left in the tank. Took two weeks to disappear. A constant headache that moved around my head but what was really odd was that I had tooth ache in every tooth! This sounds weird but it was a relief to floss??? Nasty bug that one was.
Went to my little girls football yesterday and a family was there that had just came out of isolation from covid and during the whole thing their lat flow tests came up negative yet all but one came up positive from a PCR. We have no chance of getting on top of this.
In reply to Post #27
Being 6 years behind you must've helped, I'm feeling a bit better. Worked every day and some evenings.
Helped not taking a test, every time my missus takes a pregnancy test it's bloody positive so I avoid any testing if I can, always costs me money one way or another.
Being 6 years behind you must've helped, I'm feeling a bit better. Worked every day and some evenings.
Helped not taking a test, every time my missus takes a pregnancy test it's bloody positive so I avoid any testing if I can, always costs me money one way or another.
In reply to Post #27
Sorry Wayne I thought you'd said previously that you'd already had it a couple of times.
Main thing is you and Jon are getting better now. I don't believe in coincidences. It's no coincidence that two people from this forum who have little respect for the virus & will not get vaccinated are currently both quite ill with Covid.
That exact scenario is being born out by my son and daughter in law's experiences at work as paramedics too. Same as before, so many patients needing to be hospitalised, who will not get a vaccine & consequently have little respect for the virus.
It's not about right or wrong. I like both you and Jon and would not want to see either of you very seriously sick. The next two months are looking more & more likely to be quite challenging regarding the virus. Whatever our positions, we need to hope for humanity's sake that this does not go the wrong way. Because it's not going anywhere and still mutating for the worse.
Mother Nature wants to wipe out a vast proportion of us. That's why the virus is here. To be fair Mother Nature is right... But that does not sit well if we all start losing our nearest & dearest does it?
Sorry Wayne I thought you'd said previously that you'd already had it a couple of times.
Main thing is you and Jon are getting better now. I don't believe in coincidences. It's no coincidence that two people from this forum who have little respect for the virus & will not get vaccinated are currently both quite ill with Covid.
That exact scenario is being born out by my son and daughter in law's experiences at work as paramedics too. Same as before, so many patients needing to be hospitalised, who will not get a vaccine & consequently have little respect for the virus.
It's not about right or wrong. I like both you and Jon and would not want to see either of you very seriously sick. The next two months are looking more & more likely to be quite challenging regarding the virus. Whatever our positions, we need to hope for humanity's sake that this does not go the wrong way. Because it's not going anywhere and still mutating for the worse.
Mother Nature wants to wipe out a vast proportion of us. That's why the virus is here. To be fair Mother Nature is right... But that does not sit well if we all start losing our nearest & dearest does it?
I might have to review my position as an atheist.
Pointless Jon, you will still be an annoying.....
Pointless Jon, you will still be an annoying.....
In reply to Post #35
I'm not sick Mark. Far from it, I've been hard at it as usual..
I'm just sick of having a big jar of weed I can't taste
I interact with 00s of people and even the ones who've had covid have not been hospitalised, most didn't even know they had it.
My glass is half full, yours is half empty and neither of us are changing our minds
I'm not sick Mark. Far from it, I've been hard at it as usual..
I'm just sick of having a big jar of weed I can't taste
I interact with 00s of people and even the ones who've had covid have not been hospitalised, most didn't even know they had it.
My glass is half full, yours is half empty and neither of us are changing our minds
In reply to Post #37
My glass is half empty you think Jon? I'm in paradise with the most beautiful woman imaginable, been here five weeks. My work is better than it has ever been... My glass is overflowing. I need a second glass to catch the overflow.
I've never had the virus. Neither has any of my immediate family. Just one nephew.
You can keep banging on about how you think it's nothing... Until it mutates badly and kills large swathes of us. People who don't care are making that far more likely to happen. And that's a fact.
My glass is half empty you think Jon? I'm in paradise with the most beautiful woman imaginable, been here five weeks. My work is better than it has ever been... My glass is overflowing. I need a second glass to catch the overflow.
I've never had the virus. Neither has any of my immediate family. Just one nephew.
You can keep banging on about how you think it's nothing... Until it mutates badly and kills large swathes of us. People who don't care are making that far more likely to happen. And that's a fact.
Mark, I was ill similar to this in March last year when Covid wasn't about in the UK we were told.....no testing then so who knows?
I'm sticking to my Antibodies doing there job Mark, yes I feel like **** although much better than yesterday and would have possibly felt a little better if jabbed but we will never know.......same as jabbed people not knowing if they would have been fine without a jab I suppose.......
I think I had this cold / flu doing the rounds and then have caught CV as I wasn't like this in Feb and is the only explanation I can think off......
I'm sticking to my Antibodies doing there job Mark, yes I feel like **** although much better than yesterday and would have possibly felt a little better if jabbed but we will never know.......same as jabbed people not knowing if they would have been fine without a jab I suppose.......
I think I had this cold / flu doing the rounds and then have caught CV as I wasn't like this in Feb and is the only explanation I can think off......
In reply to Post #38
You'll be back freezing your jacobs off in south London soon enough mate, I've been to Brazil (for 16 weeks) and it's not my idea of paradise and beauty is very much in the eye of the beholder... I won't be offended that you're insinuating all of our partners are dogs lol.
Maybe you should embrace it rather than posting on here about virus mutations killing off mankind?
That's why I've said your glass is half empty, even if you were with the most desirable woman in the world enjoying paradise, what are you doing telling us reprobates how great your life is rather than enjoying it?
You'll be back freezing your jacobs off in south London soon enough mate, I've been to Brazil (for 16 weeks) and it's not my idea of paradise and beauty is very much in the eye of the beholder... I won't be offended that you're insinuating all of our partners are dogs lol.
Maybe you should embrace it rather than posting on here about virus mutations killing off mankind?
That's why I've said your glass is half empty, even if you were with the most desirable woman in the world enjoying paradise, what are you doing telling us reprobates how great your life is rather than enjoying it?
In reply to Post #40
That weeds making you paranoid mate. You could have the most beautiful missus in the world for all I know and I hope you do. It's 9am on Sunday morning in paradise Jon. My missus has only just got up... I've been online for two hours working. This is just a little break before we go off and enjoy our day.
Most of Brazil is not paradise I agree. Where I am is paradise 😋
As long as travel is not restricted I'll be back here mid January... Living the dream 😂
That weeds making you paranoid mate. You could have the most beautiful missus in the world for all I know and I hope you do. It's 9am on Sunday morning in paradise Jon. My missus has only just got up... I've been online for two hours working. This is just a little break before we go off and enjoy our day.
Most of Brazil is not paradise I agree. Where I am is paradise 😋
As long as travel is not restricted I'll be back here mid January... Living the dream 😂
In reply to Post #41
Nonsense. It's the spiders crawling on me and people whispering about me when they walk past making me paranoid 🥶
Be careful with all this travelling mate, you could be the next super spreader of one of these imported mutations.. after all, the latest one has gone global and you need 2 jabs or a negative test to fly 🤔
Nonsense. It's the spiders crawling on me and people whispering about me when they walk past making me paranoid 🥶
Be careful with all this travelling mate, you could be the next super spreader of one of these imported mutations.. after all, the latest one has gone global and you need 2 jabs or a negative test to fly 🤔
In reply to Post #42
😂😂😂 you're a funny sod mate.
I'll be alright Jon... Beach time now in my gay pride hat... How cold is it again in South London? 😍🇧🇷
😂😂😂 you're a funny sod mate.
I'll be alright Jon... Beach time now in my gay pride hat... How cold is it again in South London? 😍🇧🇷
In reply to Post #43
Wow 
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Wow
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In reply to Post #44
...That's what I call a pair of shorts
It's cold I'll give you that, be colder in a week or 2
...That's what I call a pair of shorts
It's cold I'll give you that, be colder in a week or 2
In reply to Post #43
Own up Mark, you took that picture at a gay pride photo shoot and jumped at the chance to have your pic taken with one of the models......
Own up Mark, you took that picture at a gay pride photo shoot and jumped at the chance to have your pic taken with one of the models......
In reply to Post #46
Don't provoke him ffs
Well be getting ray j videos next
Don't provoke him ffs
Well be getting ray j videos next
In reply to Post #45
Hahaha they are Ralph Lauren swimming shorts... The missus likes em mate 😆
Hahaha they are Ralph Lauren swimming shorts... The missus likes em mate 😆
In reply to Post #46
Clearly Wayne 🤪
Never been afraid to punch outside of my weight class mate 🤩
Clearly Wayne 🤪
Never been afraid to punch outside of my weight class mate 🤩
In reply to Post #47
🤣😂🤣😂🏖🏴❤️🇧🇷
You lads enjoy your Sunday... I'm about to get blinding lashed 😘🥳
🤣😂🤣😂🏖🏴❤️🇧🇷
You lads enjoy your Sunday... I'm about to get blinding lashed 😘🥳
In reply to Post #50
Fair play mark, fair play......
Fair play mark, fair play......
In reply to Post #19
Can i ask if you are vaxxed for covid?
Can i ask if you are vaxxed for covid?
In reply to Post #52
I'm not vaccinated........and now topped up with natural immunity......
Day 14 - Smell and taste is now retuning and headaches clearing up......
I'm not vaccinated........and now topped up with natural immunity......
Day 14 - Smell and taste is now retuning and headaches clearing up......
In reply to Post #53
Glad to hear you on the mend Wayne
Glad to hear you on the mend Wayne
In reply to Post #51
She's far to good for me Wayne and I know it don't worry mate 😆
Very lucky bloke, in more ways than one.
Negative covid test in hand I fly back to the UK tomorrow. Not looking forwards to the storm I've been told is coming... Hope my plane don't crash 😂
She's far to good for me Wayne and I know it don't worry mate 😆
Very lucky bloke, in more ways than one.
Negative covid test in hand I fly back to the UK tomorrow. Not looking forwards to the storm I've been told is coming... Hope my plane don't crash 😂
In reply to Post #53
Wayne, from some one who likes you, please go get your jabs mate... Or even at least start respecting this ****ty virus a bit more. Makes no odds to me. But I don't want to hear in a few months you got it again and it left you with life changing damage to your lungs like many. Or even worse...Told you before I'm petrified of needles same as you. Ever since I had cancer and was needled everyday for months... I literally black out at the sight of them now... Was always fine before. Did not stop me getting vaccinated mate. Just look the other way 😂
Glad you're recovering now mate.
Wayne, from some one who likes you, please go get your jabs mate... Or even at least start respecting this ****ty virus a bit more. Makes no odds to me. But I don't want to hear in a few months you got it again and it left you with life changing damage to your lungs like many. Or even worse...Told you before I'm petrified of needles same as you. Ever since I had cancer and was needled everyday for months... I literally black out at the sight of them now... Was always fine before. Did not stop me getting vaccinated mate. Just look the other way 😂
Glad you're recovering now mate.
In reply to Post #56
I've spent four days in bed with a terrible cold/flu. No taste or smell whatsoever but negative home tests. Booked in for a proper test tomorrow as it doesn't feel like anything I've had before.
I've spent four days in bed with a terrible cold/flu. No taste or smell whatsoever but negative home tests. Booked in for a proper test tomorrow as it doesn't feel like anything I've had before.
In reply to Post #56
Hi Mark, oh I respect this virus but I have always said I'm happy to go the natural immunity route and won't be changing my mind......I have being doing some research this week and my immunity now is far superior to the artificial one that jabs give you .......
Your going to freeze and lose your cap when you step of the plane mate.......
Josh, my LFT tests were negative but PCR flagged it up. Let's hope the jabs haven't lowered your immune response to a normal cold which is also what I have been reading about......get well soon fella.......
Hi Mark, oh I respect this virus but I have always said I'm happy to go the natural immunity route and won't be changing my mind......I have being doing some research this week and my immunity now is far superior to the artificial one that jabs give you .......
Your going to freeze and lose your cap when you step of the plane mate.......
Josh, my LFT tests were negative but PCR flagged it up. Let's hope the jabs haven't lowered your immune response to a normal cold which is also what I have been reading about......get well soon fella.......
In reply to Post #57
Hopefully you haven't anything nasty but there certainly does seem to be a lot of covid around at present.
My lad has been sent home to isolate for about 10 days when 4 out of his 20 work mates went down with it. He's tested negative right through so he's back to work today I believe.
@ Wayne good to hear you're on the mend, take care and stay away from those unmasked youngsters in Waitrose.
Hopefully you haven't anything nasty but there certainly does seem to be a lot of covid around at present.
My lad has been sent home to isolate for about 10 days when 4 out of his 20 work mates went down with it. He's tested negative right through so he's back to work today I believe.
@ Wayne good to hear you're on the mend, take care and stay away from those unmasked youngsters in Waitrose.
In reply to Post #57
Get well soon Josh.
Wayne your choices mate. Glad you are feeling much better now. I'm typing this on my Paris- London flight... To be fair it was not that cold in Paris. No sleep all night on the Brazil-Paris flight.., Absolutely knackered 😂
Get well soon Josh.
Wayne your choices mate. Glad you are feeling much better now. I'm typing this on my Paris- London flight... To be fair it was not that cold in Paris. No sleep all night on the Brazil-Paris flight.., Absolutely knackered 😂
I had the first covid vaccine......I had the second covid vaccine. After the second I caught covid.
I had the booster jab and since then I've never felt so unwell in all my life and that includes when I contacted covid. I won't be having that second booster jab.
It's my belief that the vaccines have affected my immune system which has now led to myself being unable to fight off this cold i now have.
Interesting piece out there from a funeral director John O' Looney as in his work he's concerned about the number of deaths associated to heart attacks, strokes and aneurysm. He's seen more this year than he has in the past 14.
Still, as long as Boris and his cronies can break the laws that they make then I'll no longer comply either.
Absolutely taking the 9155.
I had the booster jab and since then I've never felt so unwell in all my life and that includes when I contacted covid. I won't be having that second booster jab.
It's my belief that the vaccines have affected my immune system which has now led to myself being unable to fight off this cold i now have.
Interesting piece out there from a funeral director John O' Looney as in his work he's concerned about the number of deaths associated to heart attacks, strokes and aneurysm. He's seen more this year than he has in the past 14.
Still, as long as Boris and his cronies can break the laws that they make then I'll no longer comply either.
Absolutely taking the 9155.
In reply to Post #58
Type in John O Looney funeral director for his take on exactly what you say.
Type in John O Looney funeral director for his take on exactly what you say.
In reply to Post #61
Hi Tazi, I have seen that from the FD John and it's concerning to say the least.......he will no doubt be cast aside though......
Hopefully it's pure coincidence like lots of things that seem to be happening.......
One thing that's bloody annoying at the minute is the media push about unvaccinated clogging up hospitals.......the Governments own fact checker - Full facts shows it's only 36% against 64% vaccinated. Yes there is shedloads more of vaccinated people but it's simply wrong and something that is being used to push the booster program and all other illnesses can then be dismissed which is terrible!
How you feeling today George?
Hi Tazi, I have seen that from the FD John and it's concerning to say the least.......he will no doubt be cast aside though......
Hopefully it's pure coincidence like lots of things that seem to be happening.......
One thing that's bloody annoying at the minute is the media push about unvaccinated clogging up hospitals.......the Governments own fact checker - Full facts shows it's only 36% against 64% vaccinated. Yes there is shedloads more of vaccinated people but it's simply wrong and something that is being used to push the booster program and all other illnesses can then be dismissed which is terrible!
How you feeling today George?
In reply to Post #63
Will indeed be cast aside.
Imagine still listening and believing this *****.
If one does then you're the problem.
Edit - I'm convinced it's this vaccine that's fcuked up my immune system.....Goodness me I hope it can recover to even if it's 75% to what it was before but my fear is that it could well be irreverible.
Will indeed be cast aside.
Imagine still listening and believing this *****.
If one does then you're the problem.
Edit - I'm convinced it's this vaccine that's fcuked up my immune system.....Goodness me I hope it can recover to even if it's 75% to what it was before but my fear is that it could well be irreverible.
In reply to Post #64
Hopefully it's not Tazi and you feel much better soon........
Be interesting to hear from George and how he is getting on......
Hopefully it's not Tazi and you feel much better soon........
Be interesting to hear from George and how he is getting on......
In reply to Post #65
I'm alright, just laid up other than going out for a test today.
Feel like I've been punched in the ribs for some reason, other than that, just a proper nasty cold, aching all over.
I'm glad I'm Ill now rather than over Christmas
I'm alright, just laid up other than going out for a test today.
Feel like I've been punched in the ribs for some reason, other than that, just a proper nasty cold, aching all over.
I'm glad I'm Ill now rather than over Christmas
In reply to Post #66
I'm on day 15 so just hope it clears up quickly........
I'm on day 15 so just hope it clears up quickly........
In reply to Post #67
Touchwood, I feel alright and climbing the walls, as soon as I have my test results back I'll be up and out as it's driving me mad- feeling rough or not
Sounds like you have it a lot worse than what I have.
Touchwood, I feel alright and climbing the walls, as soon as I have my test results back I'll be up and out as it's driving me mad- feeling rough or not
Sounds like you have it a lot worse than what I have.
In reply to Post #65
In reply to Post #66
In reply to Post #68
I am just knackered at the minute.......zero energy but everything else has cleared up......
I am just knackered at the minute.......zero energy but everything else has cleared up......
In reply to Post #64
Quote... Imagine still listening and believing this *****.
Whatever anyone thinks about the vaccines... There is clearly a correlation between people, who either do not believe in the virus.... Or have simply had enough of it all, consequently getting the virus. Yes there are people like Josh too, but he is someone who is in different peoples houses every single day at work... So is far more likely to get it.
As a great example... My son and my daughter in law have both never had the virus... Yet they are in contact with it numerous times EVERY single day at work. Yes as paramedics they get the best PPE and have to practice impeccable cleanliness... BUT, it is irrefutable that if they can go two years being around the virus constantly on a daily basis and never contract it... Then it is possible with greater care, to NEVER get the virus I'd say.
I've not had it, I've been abroad three times since the pandemic started, I've been on aeroplanes with 100's of others 6 times, for more than 10 hours at a time. An FFP3 mask has stopped me from getting it. Twice there were people on my flights with Covid I later found out. I still did not get it. I was in Brazil when they were being battered last January. With an FFP3 mask I did not get it.
At the same time in the UK lots of people were screaming masks do not work and refusing to wear them. They clearly do work.... As I came through London centre yesterday in an Uber, so many people going into shops without masks on. I'd just come from Brazil where 100% of adults wear masks and they have the virus under control. The difference is startling.
The sooner so many people in the UK stop 'thinking' this is some plan by our government to **** us up... The sooner we will be able to get it under control. It's worldwide... It's not Boris and co... They are just 'our' clowns dealing with it poorly.
The news is poison. I've just come back from 5 weeks away, where I did not understand enough of the what was being said to even watch the news. I can speak great Portuguese now... But it's still hard for me to understand when they are speaking fast.... Consequently I've been so happy.... Yesterday I got home and the news was on... I felt morbidly depressed within ten minutes and had to turn it off.
Quote... Imagine still listening and believing this *****.
Whatever anyone thinks about the vaccines... There is clearly a correlation between people, who either do not believe in the virus.... Or have simply had enough of it all, consequently getting the virus. Yes there are people like Josh too, but he is someone who is in different peoples houses every single day at work... So is far more likely to get it.
As a great example... My son and my daughter in law have both never had the virus... Yet they are in contact with it numerous times EVERY single day at work. Yes as paramedics they get the best PPE and have to practice impeccable cleanliness... BUT, it is irrefutable that if they can go two years being around the virus constantly on a daily basis and never contract it... Then it is possible with greater care, to NEVER get the virus I'd say.
I've not had it, I've been abroad three times since the pandemic started, I've been on aeroplanes with 100's of others 6 times, for more than 10 hours at a time. An FFP3 mask has stopped me from getting it. Twice there were people on my flights with Covid I later found out. I still did not get it. I was in Brazil when they were being battered last January. With an FFP3 mask I did not get it.
At the same time in the UK lots of people were screaming masks do not work and refusing to wear them. They clearly do work.... As I came through London centre yesterday in an Uber, so many people going into shops without masks on. I'd just come from Brazil where 100% of adults wear masks and they have the virus under control. The difference is startling.
The sooner so many people in the UK stop 'thinking' this is some plan by our government to **** us up... The sooner we will be able to get it under control. It's worldwide... It's not Boris and co... They are just 'our' clowns dealing with it poorly.
The news is poison. I've just come back from 5 weeks away, where I did not understand enough of the what was being said to even watch the news. I can speak great Portuguese now... But it's still hard for me to understand when they are speaking fast.... Consequently I've been so happy.... Yesterday I got home and the news was on... I felt morbidly depressed within ten minutes and had to turn it off.
In reply to Post #61
Germany and Bayern Munich super fit super star midfielder Joshua Kimmich, 26 anti COVID-19 vaxxer out til the new year due to lung complications after contracting COVID-19.. Bayern have refused to pay him every week he's been out isolating and his anti vaxxer colleagues.
Probably the way forward for all to knock these bar room scientists into line. Well done Bayern
Probably the way forward for all to knock these bar room scientists into line. Well done Bayern
In reply to Post #74
When are these people ever going to wake up? It's ludicrous now.
I said right at the very beginning of all this on this very forum... That I would not want to be one of these people if this virus mutates and goes BANG, and wipes out half of the planet!! That's what the end game in all this is if it goes the wrong way.
Imagine, being an anti vaxxer/conspiracy theorist when half your immediate family just died...
Look around at your close family and friends... Imagine half or more of them DEAD, gone forever... Maybe your wife and one of your kids... Both of your parents... Your sister, your nieces and nephews... And you helped to do it... Because you were basically scared of a needle or a mask... Or just could not be bothered... Or even maybe just because you're an argumentative **** who always knows best...
That is what we are dealing with here. That's the bottom line if this goes the wrong way... Which the longer it goes on mutating, is more likely not less!
Then imagine being the selfish **** who was so very wrong in that very situation. By the time you found out that you were wrong.... More than half of your family and friends were dead.
Who would want to be those idiots for the sake of a needle or a mask? Not me... Not in any shape or form would I want that to be me.
When are these people ever going to wake up? It's ludicrous now.
I said right at the very beginning of all this on this very forum... That I would not want to be one of these people if this virus mutates and goes BANG, and wipes out half of the planet!! That's what the end game in all this is if it goes the wrong way.
Imagine, being an anti vaxxer/conspiracy theorist when half your immediate family just died...
Look around at your close family and friends... Imagine half or more of them DEAD, gone forever... Maybe your wife and one of your kids... Both of your parents... Your sister, your nieces and nephews... And you helped to do it... Because you were basically scared of a needle or a mask... Or just could not be bothered... Or even maybe just because you're an argumentative **** who always knows best...
That is what we are dealing with here. That's the bottom line if this goes the wrong way... Which the longer it goes on mutating, is more likely not less!
Then imagine being the selfish **** who was so very wrong in that very situation. By the time you found out that you were wrong.... More than half of your family and friends were dead.
Who would want to be those idiots for the sake of a needle or a mask? Not me... Not in any shape or form would I want that to be me.
In reply to Post #74
You got a link to this notalot........all I can find is the bloke is not playing football until January ........nothing about him not being paid! That said as a pro footballer for Bayern I'm sure he can take the monetary hit if it's true!
You got a link to this notalot........all I can find is the bloke is not playing football until January ........nothing about him not being paid! That said as a pro footballer for Bayern I'm sure he can take the monetary hit if it's true!
In reply to Post #76
There has been a law passed in Germany recently, see the YouTube video below
https://youtu.be/VfXZJQ1lS4k
There has been a law passed in Germany recently, see the YouTube video below
https://youtu.be/VfXZJQ1lS4k
In reply to Post #76
Quote... That said as a pro footballer for Bayern I'm sure he can take the monetary hit if it's true!
Wrong Wayne
Watch the video Jason posted, all five unvaxxed Bayern players who are currently not being paid are suddenly getting themselves vaxxed now. Good on Bayern! Bayern described in Germany as 'The Corona chaos club' because they have so many positive players, five of which are unvaxxed. That's a very, very high percentage of anti-vaxxers in a squad... And their team is ravaged by the virus currently. All players not vaxxed have it...
It could almost be described as very similar, as to how the two regular posters on these threads in you and Jon, who are also not vaxxed, have both had the virus very recently too isn't it?
Maybe these are just all coincidences....
Quote... That said as a pro footballer for Bayern I'm sure he can take the monetary hit if it's true!
Wrong Wayne
Watch the video Jason posted, all five unvaxxed Bayern players who are currently not being paid are suddenly getting themselves vaxxed now. Good on Bayern! Bayern described in Germany as 'The Corona chaos club' because they have so many positive players, five of which are unvaxxed. That's a very, very high percentage of anti-vaxxers in a squad... And their team is ravaged by the virus currently. All players not vaxxed have it...
It could almost be described as very similar, as to how the two regular posters on these threads in you and Jon, who are also not vaxxed, have both had the virus very recently too isn't it?
Maybe these are just all coincidences....
In reply to Post #78
It's funny isn't it, the anti vaxxers accuse us of being scared, where as they are the only ones who are actually scared of anything. I'm not scared when I put my seatbelt on, I'm just reducing the risks. Being an adult.
It's funny isn't it, the anti vaxxers accuse us of being scared, where as they are the only ones who are actually scared of anything. I'm not scared when I put my seatbelt on, I'm just reducing the risks. Being an adult.
In reply to Post #78
Same as Tottenham I think, loads of Covid in there squad.......8 players and 5 staff members.......I wonder if their all unvaccinated.........probably not....
All getting vaccinated to save their careers........well done Germany.......
Me and Jon have had Covid.......surprisingly we are still here to tell the story and our immune systems properly topped up to fight the virus in the future.....
Wait until you catch this cold Mark.......you will **** yourself........
Out of interest Mark when do you think you will ditch the mask?
Same as Tottenham I think, loads of Covid in there squad.......8 players and 5 staff members.......I wonder if their all unvaccinated.........probably not....
All getting vaccinated to save their careers........well done Germany.......
Me and Jon have had Covid.......surprisingly we are still here to tell the story and our immune systems properly topped up to fight the virus in the future.....
Wait until you catch this cold Mark.......you will **** yourself........
Out of interest Mark when do you think you will ditch the mask?
In reply to Post #81
The footballers had made their own decision not be be vaccinated I have German work colleagues and their whole families are unvaccinated it's their choice - though as we are seeing consequences of their decisions are imposing challenges on them be it monetary or otherwise.
Footballers collapsing due to the vaccine where's the evidence it's just an unfortunate coincidence that some anti vaxxers are grasping on to,
How about Christian Eriksen in June who collapsed - unvaccinated.
What about all the other footballers sports folk who collapsed with heart problems before we had covid it's sadly a constant problem which we've seen year over year. I always remember Fabrice Muamba collapsing in 2012.
The footballers had made their own decision not be be vaccinated I have German work colleagues and their whole families are unvaccinated it's their choice - though as we are seeing consequences of their decisions are imposing challenges on them be it monetary or otherwise.
Footballers collapsing due to the vaccine where's the evidence it's just an unfortunate coincidence that some anti vaxxers are grasping on to,
How about Christian Eriksen in June who collapsed - unvaccinated.
What about all the other footballers sports folk who collapsed with heart problems before we had covid it's sadly a constant problem which we've seen year over year. I always remember Fabrice Muamba collapsing in 2012.
In reply to Post #82
The footballers had made their own decision not be be vaccinated I have German work colleagues and their whole families are unvaccinated it's their choice - though as we are seeing consequences of their decisions are imposing challenges on them be it monetary or otherwise
I just don't see how anyone in this day and age thinks this is acceptable for not having a jab.........
If this continues all I see happening is violence and rioting like has never been seen before in every country around the world........I do wonder then what vaccinated people will be saying.......
The footballers had made their own decision not be be vaccinated I have German work colleagues and their whole families are unvaccinated it's their choice - though as we are seeing consequences of their decisions are imposing challenges on them be it monetary or otherwise
I just don't see how anyone in this day and age thinks this is acceptable for not having a jab.........
If this continues all I see happening is violence and rioting like has never been seen before in every country around the world........I do wonder then what vaccinated people will be saying.......
In reply to Post #83
Austria are just about to come out of their lockdown though still if you are not vaccinated your freedom is limited.
Austria are just about to come out of their lockdown though still if you are not vaccinated your freedom is limited.
In reply to Post #83
What will the vaccinated say?
‘Take Vac control'
‘The not-seriously-ill of the people'
‘We give the unvaccinated £350m-worth of treatment a week...'
What will the vaccinated say?
‘Take Vac control'
‘The not-seriously-ill of the people'
‘We give the unvaccinated £350m-worth of treatment a week...'
In reply to Post #85
When everything is burnt to the ground or destroyed I'm not sure them things will really apply......
On your last point NOS it's a Good job the fit and healthy don't apply that logic to all the overweight diabetic people, smokers etc etc
When everything is burnt to the ground or destroyed I'm not sure them things will really apply......
On your last point NOS it's a Good job the fit and healthy don't apply that logic to all the overweight diabetic people, smokers etc etc
In reply to Post #86
When everything is burnt to the ground or destroyed I'm not sure them things will really apply......
Inject Fear
When everything is burnt to the ground or destroyed I'm not sure them things will really apply......
Inject Fear
In reply to Post #72
I ain't saying I don't believe in covid it's just my belief that the vaccines are not working as I for one feel,it's totally fcuked me up.
I ain't saying I don't believe in covid it's just my belief that the vaccines are not working as I for one feel,it's totally fcuked me up.
Would be a strange twist if the next variant was far more mild and the govts of the world had to urge us to go out and catch it for the good of mankind.
Would the anti vaxxers then turn and campaign for vaccines and social distancing?
Would the anti vaxxers then turn and campaign for vaccines and social distancing?
I wonder to what extent the public's opinion of this virus would change if, instead of pensioners, it had killed the same number of, say, under 5 year-olds.
In reply to Post #86
Quote... When everything is burnt to the ground or destroyed I'm not sure them things will really apply.
Why are you going to burn everything to the ground Wayne? Because you don't want a vaccine?
You okay hun? xxx
Quote... When everything is burnt to the ground or destroyed I'm not sure them things will really apply.
Why are you going to burn everything to the ground Wayne? Because you don't want a vaccine?
You okay hun? xxx
In reply to Post #90
Quote... I wonder to what extent the public's opinion of this virus would change if, instead of pensioners, it had killed the same number of, say, under 5 year-olds.
The very moment people start dropping in great numbers like that, the unvaxxed will be down the vaccination centres faster than anyone could imagine Jon. Watch.
The bottom line is it's a ****ing needle in the arm... They were all telling us we were all going to die remember from our experimental shots... None of us died. Some of us had some mild side effects... But none of us died.
Meanwhile Covid deaths were curtailed massively.
Trust me, the moment the **** really hits the fan, they will get vaxxed. You watch.
Quote... I wonder to what extent the public's opinion of this virus would change if, instead of pensioners, it had killed the same number of, say, under 5 year-olds.
The very moment people start dropping in great numbers like that, the unvaxxed will be down the vaccination centres faster than anyone could imagine Jon. Watch.
The bottom line is it's a ****ing needle in the arm... They were all telling us we were all going to die remember from our experimental shots... None of us died. Some of us had some mild side effects... But none of us died.
Meanwhile Covid deaths were curtailed massively.
Trust me, the moment the **** really hits the fan, they will get vaxxed. You watch.
In reply to Post #88
There is tonnes of nasty stuff going around right now mate. Everyone is ill, even those who have not had a recent vaccine. I think being locked down and none of us getting any of the normal mild **** for the past two years has done this to us.
My 70 year old mother had all three shots... Not a single symptom. My 73 year old aunt exactly the same.
Whereas my first two shots mullered me. I could not use my left arm properly for a long while after the first shot. I'm not looking forwards to the third... But I will have it nevertheless. The vaccines have irrefutably worked up until now. The trouble is a novel mutating virus will mutate around our anti-bodies and vaccines. That's why it's so dangerous in the first place. It should not make you want to give up mate, it should make you see even more, just how dangerous this is for us all in the long run.
There is tonnes of nasty stuff going around right now mate. Everyone is ill, even those who have not had a recent vaccine. I think being locked down and none of us getting any of the normal mild **** for the past two years has done this to us.
My 70 year old mother had all three shots... Not a single symptom. My 73 year old aunt exactly the same.
Whereas my first two shots mullered me. I could not use my left arm properly for a long while after the first shot. I'm not looking forwards to the third... But I will have it nevertheless. The vaccines have irrefutably worked up until now. The trouble is a novel mutating virus will mutate around our anti-bodies and vaccines. That's why it's so dangerous in the first place. It should not make you want to give up mate, it should make you see even more, just how dangerous this is for us all in the long run.
In reply to Post #80
Quote... Wait until you catch this cold Mark.......you will **** yourself........ Out of interest Mark when do you think you will ditch the mask?
Wayne, you don't seem to understand that these two statements of yours are connected. I have not caught Covid, because I am not bothered about wearing a mask and social distancing.
I will wear a mask without a single care in the world until this is all over.
To you and people like you it is a symbol of your oppression... As in VLT's post... to me it is like a seatbelt to keep me and others around me safe. I struggle to see what the problem for you is?
One day you will get the concept that this is not always going to be like a 'bad cold'. The more people like yourself let this thing run amok, the closer we get to it wiping out vast swathes of our families. It's pretty simple mate to be fair. For some strange reason you and others like you don't want to see it or believe it.
Mandatory vaccination passports are already here world wide. I told you that you cannot get on a plane without one. You cannot enter a decent restaurant or bar in Brazil without one. You read on here yesterday that in Germany you don't get paid if you are not vaccinated and catch Covid. When will you ever wake up mate?
Mandatory vaccination passports are coming, the only reason they are coming to this country is because of so many people like yourself. You lot are a self for filling prophecy.
Quote... Wait until you catch this cold Mark.......you will **** yourself........ Out of interest Mark when do you think you will ditch the mask?
Wayne, you don't seem to understand that these two statements of yours are connected. I have not caught Covid, because I am not bothered about wearing a mask and social distancing.
I will wear a mask without a single care in the world until this is all over.
To you and people like you it is a symbol of your oppression... As in VLT's post... to me it is like a seatbelt to keep me and others around me safe. I struggle to see what the problem for you is?
One day you will get the concept that this is not always going to be like a 'bad cold'. The more people like yourself let this thing run amok, the closer we get to it wiping out vast swathes of our families. It's pretty simple mate to be fair. For some strange reason you and others like you don't want to see it or believe it.
Mandatory vaccination passports are already here world wide. I told you that you cannot get on a plane without one. You cannot enter a decent restaurant or bar in Brazil without one. You read on here yesterday that in Germany you don't get paid if you are not vaccinated and catch Covid. When will you ever wake up mate?
Mandatory vaccination passports are coming, the only reason they are coming to this country is because of so many people like yourself. You lot are a self for filling prophecy.
“Bottom line it's a ****ing needle in the arm”
*gets partial paralysis in one arm and is ‘wiped out'
“You can't fly anywhere.... you can't get in a bar in Brazil”
*self explanatory quote
Welcome back to the cold mate
*gets partial paralysis in one arm and is ‘wiped out'
“You can't fly anywhere.... you can't get in a bar in Brazil”
*self explanatory quote
Welcome back to the cold mate
In reply to Post #95
It's a needle into the muscle mate. I am not used to medication, I normally take nothing whatsoever. It really did feel like a dead arm for a while. That was not the shot, it was the needle stuck into the muscle... Something I've never experienced before, despite being stuck with needles into veins hundreds of times before for blood. It's very different, that needle going into muscle like it has too for a vaccine.
I'm off to mow down old ladies in my Merc/tank too, it sounds like great fun that one .
It's cold, ****, and ****ing totally miserable here mate. I'm absolutely gutted that I'm back if truth be told. All the smiley happy people and the sunshine are gone... Everyone here has the raging ump constantly
I'm in quarantine until my day 2 PCR results come back negative. Even though I had to have a negative PCR two days ago to fly. As soon as they let me out... Those old dears better watch it!
I have to work now... That is totally **** too.
It's a needle into the muscle mate. I am not used to medication, I normally take nothing whatsoever. It really did feel like a dead arm for a while. That was not the shot, it was the needle stuck into the muscle... Something I've never experienced before, despite being stuck with needles into veins hundreds of times before for blood. It's very different, that needle going into muscle like it has too for a vaccine.
I'm off to mow down old ladies in my Merc/tank too, it sounds like great fun that one
. It's cold, ****, and ****ing totally miserable here mate. I'm absolutely gutted that I'm back if truth be told. All the smiley happy people and the sunshine are gone... Everyone here has the raging ump constantly
I'm in quarantine until my day 2 PCR results come back negative. Even though I had to have a negative PCR two days ago to fly. As soon as they let me out... Those old dears better watch it!
I have to work now... That is totally **** too.
In reply to Post #94
I get what you say Mark and understand your train of thought but when will it all be over though? Please don't say once everyone is vaccinated as that is simply not true and the virus will still be killing people, vaxxed or unvaxxed.
When do we reach the point of simply “living with CV”
How do you think your body is going to react to normal seasonal flu and colds when you do ditch the mask in the future?
This cold I have had and others have had is bloody awful because of 2 years of social distancing, mask wearing, super cleaning etc.
Your right though......it's bloody cold and ***** here at the minute........roll on the spring / summer.......
I get what you say Mark and understand your train of thought but when will it all be over though? Please don't say once everyone is vaccinated as that is simply not true and the virus will still be killing people, vaxxed or unvaxxed.
When do we reach the point of simply “living with CV”
How do you think your body is going to react to normal seasonal flu and colds when you do ditch the mask in the future?
This cold I have had and others have had is bloody awful because of 2 years of social distancing, mask wearing, super cleaning etc.
Your right though......it's bloody cold and ***** here at the minute........roll on the spring / summer.......
In reply to Post #97
The path to normality is unclear Wayne, because nobody can predict how the virus will evolve (better word than mutate)
I do agree that ther has to be a balance of prevention and immunity via infection though. The number of people still shouting for lockdowns is crazy. The difficulty is that the immunity from natural infection route involves lots of people dying, so governments can't really be open about that.
The path to normality is unclear Wayne, because nobody can predict how the virus will evolve (better word than mutate)
I do agree that ther has to be a balance of prevention and immunity via infection though. The number of people still shouting for lockdowns is crazy. The difficulty is that the immunity from natural infection route involves lots of people dying, so governments can't really be open about that.
In reply to Post #97
When do we reach the point of simply “living with CV”
The old old saying "how longs a piece of string"
When do we reach the point of simply “living with CV”
The old old saying "how longs a piece of string"
In reply to Post #97
Of course it's not going to be over when everyone has been vaccinated Wayne. The virus just mutated around our antibodies and the vaccines. So far it's lucky for us that all it's strength went into the mutation around them, and the actual sickness effects are so far milder... But it also transmits more strongly. That will not be the case next time it mutates Wayne. It already bypassed our antibodies and the vaccines, which regarding the vaccines will take 100 days for us to tweak. If this new variant mutates again quickly... We could all be in serious trouble Wayne.
Do you understand this mate?
The more it is allowed to run amok by disbelievers... The greater chance we lose tonnes of family & friends.
There is stuff you are never going to hear on the news again until it happens Wayne. This is one of them. The public could not deal with this information... So many of them right now cannot even grasp the great seriousness for mankind this virus brings with it. And that effects all of us ultimately... That's why they are going to force people to have vaccines... Not to take your liberty from you... To try to save millions of human beings.
I hate to keep banging on about it... But there are no disbelievers where I just came from... In that city 98% 1 shot, 93% 2 or 3 shots... 100% adult mask wearing from day one, even outside on the street. They all respect it... They have it totally under control. It's running amok here again Wayne, because of people who will not comply and simply do not believe.
In Fortaleza people are living completely normal lives except wearing a mask and all getting their jabs. By EVERYONE respecting the simple rules.... They have it under control and are living normal lives. You people who will not comply, you are sending us down a very different path to that here in the UK... Where they are now going to force you to comply I think. This is a first world phenomenon. It's rife in Europe, the US & Australia. Everywhere else have no problem complying. The nations mentioned above, now have a very serious problem with swathes of people not complying when it's needed. We live in a totally free society... Where within reason we can do whatever the **** we want. That brings serious problems now when something like this happens. No one wants to be told what to do anymore... They resist to it. That's dangerous in a global pandemic that could wipe out half the planet.
Of course it's not going to be over when everyone has been vaccinated Wayne. The virus just mutated around our antibodies and the vaccines. So far it's lucky for us that all it's strength went into the mutation around them, and the actual sickness effects are so far milder... But it also transmits more strongly. That will not be the case next time it mutates Wayne. It already bypassed our antibodies and the vaccines, which regarding the vaccines will take 100 days for us to tweak. If this new variant mutates again quickly... We could all be in serious trouble Wayne.
Do you understand this mate?
The more it is allowed to run amok by disbelievers... The greater chance we lose tonnes of family & friends.
There is stuff you are never going to hear on the news again until it happens Wayne. This is one of them. The public could not deal with this information... So many of them right now cannot even grasp the great seriousness for mankind this virus brings with it. And that effects all of us ultimately... That's why they are going to force people to have vaccines... Not to take your liberty from you... To try to save millions of human beings.
I hate to keep banging on about it... But there are no disbelievers where I just came from... In that city 98% 1 shot, 93% 2 or 3 shots... 100% adult mask wearing from day one, even outside on the street. They all respect it... They have it totally under control. It's running amok here again Wayne, because of people who will not comply and simply do not believe.
In Fortaleza people are living completely normal lives except wearing a mask and all getting their jabs. By EVERYONE respecting the simple rules.... They have it under control and are living normal lives. You people who will not comply, you are sending us down a very different path to that here in the UK... Where they are now going to force you to comply I think. This is a first world phenomenon. It's rife in Europe, the US & Australia. Everywhere else have no problem complying. The nations mentioned above, now have a very serious problem with swathes of people not complying when it's needed. We live in a totally free society... Where within reason we can do whatever the **** we want. That brings serious problems now when something like this happens. No one wants to be told what to do anymore... They resist to it. That's dangerous in a global pandemic that could wipe out half the planet.
In reply to Post #100
Mark it Could happen, it might happen..........we will never agree and that's fine.........I do wonder how many this cold is going to kill this winter and going forward though.......we will never know to be fair but it will kill people I have no doubt about that.......
Some of us had some mild side effects... But none of us died
Mark you know that's incorrect, plenty of people have died from the vaccines and it's well documented, plenty have had serious side affects too. Yes it's a tiny tiny amount who have died but when its happening to fit healthy 30 - 40 somethings who would have been fine catching Covid naturally it just convinces me more that mandatory vaccines for over 60s should be in place and let the world get back to some kind of normal......
That also gives me 14yrs to see how these vaccines perform long term before I have to have a Jab.......
Mark it Could happen, it might happen..........we will never agree and that's fine.........I do wonder how many this cold is going to kill this winter and going forward though.......we will never know to be fair but it will kill people I have no doubt about that.......
Some of us had some mild side effects... But none of us died
Mark you know that's incorrect, plenty of people have died from the vaccines and it's well documented, plenty have had serious side affects too. Yes it's a tiny tiny amount who have died but when its happening to fit healthy 30 - 40 somethings who would have been fine catching Covid naturally it just convinces me more that mandatory vaccines for over 60s should be in place and let the world get back to some kind of normal......
That also gives me 14yrs to see how these vaccines perform long term before I have to have a Jab.......
In reply to Post #101
Do you believe that more people have died under 60 because of the vaccine side effects, or more people under 60 have died of the virus because they weren't vaccinated?
Do you believe that more people have died under 60 because of the vaccine side effects, or more people under 60 have died of the virus because they weren't vaccinated?
In reply to Post #102
No idea........it's probably very difficult to find to as so many who have died or had complications are told it's coincidental too......
Got to love a bit of Julia
bit of common sense anyone
No idea........it's probably very difficult to find to as so many who have died or had complications are told it's coincidental too......
Got to love a bit of Julia
bit of common sense anyone
In reply to Post #103
If you listen to her garbage, you're literally dead to me.
If you listen to her garbage, you're literally dead to me.
In reply to Post #104
No different to Jeremy vine listeners I suppose.......
On a serious note, why is what she says garbage Vince?
No different to Jeremy vine listeners I suppose.......
On a serious note, why is what she says garbage Vince?
In reply to Post #103
I asked what you believe and you've no idea. Strange place to be when you are an anti COVID-19 vaxxer. But makes perfect sense.
I asked what you believe and you've no idea. Strange place to be when you are an anti COVID-19 vaxxer. But makes perfect sense.
In reply to Post #106
To be fair I would rather not converse with you so that simple answer was easier.......add the fact you edit your posts so much and reply's may look out of place......
To be fair I would rather not converse with you so that simple answer was easier.......add the fact you edit your posts so much and reply's may look out of place......
In reply to Post #107
Believe me the feelings mutual, not the way the world works however. Not surprised in the slightest you'd rather not, the maverick Wayne works, the sensible, rational, intelligent Wayne needs plenty of work
Believe me the feelings mutual, not the way the world works however. Not surprised in the slightest you'd rather not, the maverick Wayne works, the sensible, rational, intelligent Wayne needs plenty of work
In reply to Post #109
Agreed, but just ref: herd immunity, that will eventually be the way we deal with it each year / season. Same as flu, every season we have a flu epidemic which ends with herd immunity. Covid will be along the same lines but while protecting the vulnerable as best we can.
Agreed, but just ref: herd immunity, that will eventually be the way we deal with it each year / season. Same as flu, every season we have a flu epidemic which ends with herd immunity. Covid will be along the same lines but while protecting the vulnerable as best we can.
In reply to Post #109
I read today of some discussions around slightly different techniques for vaccines, which might work better / be more resistant to virus mutation. All sounded very complicated.
I read today of some discussions around slightly different techniques for vaccines, which might work better / be more resistant to virus mutation. All sounded very complicated.
In reply to Post #109
this thing will keep mutating and keep infecting people - just like the common cold except this will be one that can **** you up for life or kill you
Like I said earlier the SD and Mask wearing will make the common cold far more deadly.......you only have to read the comments from people on here who have had it recently and it's kicking our arses! Same applies to Flu.
If I'm in a enclosed space with lots of people which I never am to be fair I will wear a mask, shopping I don't as I generally don't get with 2 metres of people due to trolley rage......
I'm pretty much back to normal now and will hopefully keep getting colds again as that was a rough 2 weeks
this thing will keep mutating and keep infecting people - just like the common cold except this will be one that can **** you up for life or kill you
Like I said earlier the SD and Mask wearing will make the common cold far more deadly.......you only have to read the comments from people on here who have had it recently and it's kicking our arses! Same applies to Flu.
If I'm in a enclosed space with lots of people which I never am to be fair I will wear a mask, shopping I don't as I generally don't get with 2 metres of people due to trolley rage......
I'm pretty much back to normal now and will hopefully keep getting colds again as that was a rough 2 weeks
In reply to Post #109
Covid in modern times and the plague in the 14th century are a little different
The plague is also still about in Africa
Nobody is going to turn around and say covid is a hoax, it isn't. But we may discover global modification of human genetics was unnecessary.
It's the high risk of aneurysm I have anyway that's making me reluctant. As well as the fact I don't take any synthetic drugs, especially ones that alter your bloody immune system! Just doesn't sit right with me and I'm gambling accidental/unfortunate possible death against consenting possible death
Covid in modern times and the plague in the 14th century are a little different
The plague is also still about in Africa
Nobody is going to turn around and say covid is a hoax, it isn't. But we may discover global modification of human genetics was unnecessary.
It's the high risk of aneurysm I have anyway that's making me reluctant. As well as the fact I don't take any synthetic drugs, especially ones that alter your bloody immune system! Just doesn't sit right with me and I'm gambling accidental/unfortunate possible death against consenting possible death
In reply to Post #112
. '....pretty much back to normal ....'
Is that 'new normal' , 'Wayne normal' or something close to what sane human beings would consider to be 'normal normal ' ?
. '....pretty much back to normal ....'
Is that 'new normal' , 'Wayne normal' or something close to what sane human beings would consider to be 'normal normal ' ?
In reply to Post #114
Wayne normal which is as normal as you can get Mal.......
Wayne normal which is as normal as you can get Mal.......
In reply to Post #115
Nurse... Mr Wayne is ready to be discharged. He's talking pish again so obviously feeling his old self...
Nurse... Mr Wayne is ready to be discharged. He's talking pish again so obviously feeling his old self...
In reply to Post #118
Didn't the smallpox vaccine stop people getting it... the covid vaccine certainly doesn't. It's as relevant as comparing covid to the bubonic plague 700 years ago.
Did you swallow a whole copy of the guardian or just a few pages?
Christ almighty, jabbed people have spread the latest variant, who else is travelling?
Clearly you can't have a discussion without signalling your moral and intellectual superiority
How can a mutation of a virus have an R value? The setting in which it is found determines that, you certainly won't infect 3.4 people in the wilderness and you may infect 34 people on a tube train.
Or is that an estimate.. because there's been plenty of those proved to be nonsense
Didn't the smallpox vaccine stop people getting it... the covid vaccine certainly doesn't. It's as relevant as comparing covid to the bubonic plague 700 years ago.
Did you swallow a whole copy of the guardian or just a few pages?
Christ almighty, jabbed people have spread the latest variant, who else is travelling?
Clearly you can't have a discussion without signalling your moral and intellectual superiority
How can a mutation of a virus have an R value? The setting in which it is found determines that, you certainly won't infect 3.4 people in the wilderness and you may infect 34 people on a tube train.
Or is that an estimate.. because there's been plenty of those proved to be nonsense
In reply to Post #119
It didn't stop everyone from getting it, what it did do was prevent enough people from getting it that the virus had nowhere to go. You may have heard of herd immunity, that's what that is. Nearly two years into a pandemic you'd think people would have picked up at least some of the basics.
It didn't stop everyone from getting it, what it did do was prevent enough people from getting it that the virus had nowhere to go. You may have heard of herd immunity, that's what that is. Nearly two years into a pandemic you'd think people would have picked up at least some of the basics.
In reply to Post #120
Same as natural infection then. The definition of herd immunity accounts for natural and vaccine immunity. Or do you also believe that previous infection doesn't train the immune system?
Same as natural infection then. The definition of herd immunity accounts for natural and vaccine immunity. Or do you also believe that previous infection doesn't train the immune system?
In reply to Post #121
It does but the difficulties of achieving herd immunity for Covid-19 are well documented. Not least of which is how much protection a previous infection gives you (20% could have none at all according to the data from the ZOE study) and how long it lasts. Or the problems that allowing a disease that hospitalises a large amount of people for days on end will do to health services.
If post-infection immunity could lead to herd immunity (which at the moment the data suggest it won't) then it would require massive amounts of the population to get the disease on a regular basis until eradication.
It does but the difficulties of achieving herd immunity for Covid-19 are well documented. Not least of which is how much protection a previous infection gives you (20% could have none at all according to the data from the ZOE study) and how long it lasts. Or the problems that allowing a disease that hospitalises a large amount of people for days on end will do to health services.
If post-infection immunity could lead to herd immunity (which at the moment the data suggest it won't) then it would require massive amounts of the population to get the disease on a regular basis until eradication.
In reply to Post #122
According to the news today millions have as good as zero protection from 2 AZ shots but 70%+ with a booster. You really couldn't make up the convenience of a vaccine evading variant coinciding with the stuttering booster rollout. Theoretically then, if I did have covid in recent weeks or months I could well be better protected than early double dose AZ recipients or be statistically safer than; for example, a triple jabbed rotund asthmatic/diabetic.
Going back to smallpox, that (live/natural) vaccine protects at 90 odd % for 3-5 years, with a disease that has a 30% mortality rate in the unvaccinated.... covid (partially synthetic?), about 6 months and 1-2% mortality rate.... I'm all for effective vaccinations, but what's at to our disposal right now isn't working as well as the virtue signalling would suggest in the healthy population.
Thanks for at least replying politely even though you clearly think I'm an idiot
According to the news today millions have as good as zero protection from 2 AZ shots but 70%+ with a booster. You really couldn't make up the convenience of a vaccine evading variant coinciding with the stuttering booster rollout. Theoretically then, if I did have covid in recent weeks or months I could well be better protected than early double dose AZ recipients or be statistically safer than; for example, a triple jabbed rotund asthmatic/diabetic.
Going back to smallpox, that (live/natural) vaccine protects at 90 odd % for 3-5 years, with a disease that has a 30% mortality rate in the unvaccinated.... covid (partially synthetic?), about 6 months and 1-2% mortality rate.... I'm all for effective vaccinations, but what's at to our disposal right now isn't working as well as the virtue signalling would suggest in the healthy population.
Thanks for at least replying politely even though you clearly think I'm an idiot
In reply to Post #123
There's definitely a form of herd immunity or natural protection as you say, before I had my first jab which I think was in September (only had my second in nov) becca had covid twice and I isolated indoors twice with her. Both times I was absolutely fine
There's definitely a form of herd immunity or natural protection as you say, before I had my first jab which I think was in September (only had my second in nov) becca had covid twice and I isolated indoors twice with her. Both times I was absolutely fine
In reply to Post #124
Dunno if it needs to be clarified for anyone, but herd immunity is just the definition of the inability of the virus to spread further, it can be achieved by any combination of vaccines, social distancing / public health measures and natural immunity.
The only things to consider are how many people become ill and / or die, in the process, and how impactful the unintended consequences are. It's these things intimately that we are all arguing about.
Dunno if it needs to be clarified for anyone, but herd immunity is just the definition of the inability of the virus to spread further, it can be achieved by any combination of vaccines, social distancing / public health measures and natural immunity.
The only things to consider are how many people become ill and / or die, in the process, and how impactful the unintended consequences are. It's these things intimately that we are all arguing about.
In reply to Post #125
Apart from social distance contributing to immunity, which allows zero transmission, I agree.
Social distancing applies to your 2nd point, it protects the vulnerable
It's amusing how anybody who dared utter herd immunity previously was a loon and that very first press conference where they discussed shielding the vulnerable and letting younger, healthier folk get it was so controversial.. yet they allowed kids to go anywhere unmasked and 000s of manual and low skilled people (most of them younger than the age bracket at risk) to work and make what contribution they could to paying those already more financially secure to stay home.
Now the vaccine camp have adopted the term and those who have been a long time banging that drum know nothing lol
It's something I've known is afoot and posted from the start. 40k+ cases a day and we were totally unrestricted? The vaccine is just a buffer for those at risk. Anybody remember the open discussions about weighing up the benefits against side effects, including death?
Same as the moral high ground argument about having a vaccine or not but somebody else decided for you by way of a bloody computer algorithm if it's worth gambling your life at it's midway point to potentially save 94 year old Dorothy at number 16.
Divide and conquer is the real plan, everyone knows that
Apart from social distance contributing to immunity, which allows zero transmission, I agree.
Social distancing applies to your 2nd point, it protects the vulnerable
It's amusing how anybody who dared utter herd immunity previously was a loon and that very first press conference where they discussed shielding the vulnerable and letting younger, healthier folk get it was so controversial.. yet they allowed kids to go anywhere unmasked and 000s of manual and low skilled people (most of them younger than the age bracket at risk) to work and make what contribution they could to paying those already more financially secure to stay home.
Now the vaccine camp have adopted the term and those who have been a long time banging that drum know nothing lol
It's something I've known is afoot and posted from the start. 40k+ cases a day and we were totally unrestricted? The vaccine is just a buffer for those at risk. Anybody remember the open discussions about weighing up the benefits against side effects, including death?
Same as the moral high ground argument about having a vaccine or not but somebody else decided for you by way of a bloody computer algorithm if it's worth gambling your life at it's midway point to potentially save 94 year old Dorothy at number 16.
Divide and conquer is the real plan, everyone knows that
In reply to Post #126
It wouldn't be possible to have zero transmission by social distancing alone. It's not practical for everyone to remain at least 2m apart at all times (although me and the missus have achieved it for the last 15 years)
It wouldn't be possible to have zero transmission by social distancing alone. It's not practical for everyone to remain at least 2m apart at all times (although me and the missus have achieved it for the last 15 years)
In reply to Post #117
Wrong Jamie. I tested negative for 10 days whilst I was ill........went to hospital with chest pain and tested positive. Funny thing is the bloke asked me if I was vaccinated, when I said no he then said I had to be tested. I do wonder if I had said yes would he have tested me at all........
Wrong Jamie. I tested negative for 10 days whilst I was ill........went to hospital with chest pain and tested positive. Funny thing is the bloke asked me if I was vaccinated, when I said no he then said I had to be tested. I do wonder if I had said yes would he have tested me at all........
In reply to Post #128
I said from the start and still think to get to any normality you're better off with antibody tests than a diagnosis.
I said from the start and still think to get to any normality you're better off with antibody tests than a diagnosis.
In reply to Post #128
Bit of a cold(you thought) that turns out to be COVID-19 has you charging down the full to burst hospital for help and you champion being an anti COVID-19 vaxxer
Bit of a cold(you thought) that turns out to be COVID-19 has you charging down the full to burst hospital for help and you champion being an anti COVID-19 vaxxer
In reply to Post #130
Do one you troll......we're trying to have an adult conversation here.......
Do one you troll......we're trying to have an adult conversation here.......
In reply to Post #131
We're? Is that the plural accounts Jon mentioned? The thin skinned hypocrite Wayne version coming to the fore, maverick version seems a comical distant memory now
We're? Is that the plural accounts Jon mentioned? The thin skinned hypocrite Wayne version coming to the fore, maverick version seems a comical distant memory now
I can't remeber all the way back. But out of interest Wayne have you now had Covid twice. Last year and now just again?
In reply to Post #133
3 times at least...
If only there was a way for him to reduce the risk eh?
3 times at least...
If only there was a way for him to reduce the risk eh?
In reply to Post #133
February this year and last week apparently.......
Mal, your nearly as bad as the troll......
February this year and last week apparently.......
Mal, your nearly as bad as the troll......
In reply to Post #135
'troll' cries the bloke who spent a year copy and pasting 'scamdemic' BS on every covid thread.
'troll' cries the bloke who spent a year copy and pasting 'scamdemic' BS on every covid thread.
In reply to Post #135
In the recent one where you were testing negative when I'll
Was that LF or did you also get a PCR that read negative?
In the recent one where you were testing negative when I'll
Was that LF or did you also get a PCR that read negative?
In reply to Post #137
I do 2 tests a week for work purposes.......I did LFT the morning I fell ill which was negative and 3 days before that. PCR was done after 10 days of being ill and positive. We're told It's Pointless doing LFT once you are ill / have symptoms as it's doesn't pick it up but when my daughter had Covid in August she was doing an LFT everyday whilst ill and they kept coming back positive.......
I think I had a bad cold and then got CV after 7 - 8 days of being ill with that.
Jon - that was purely for you, Mal, Spanky and Geekis benefit......bye......
I do 2 tests a week for work purposes.......I did LFT the morning I fell ill which was negative and 3 days before that. PCR was done after 10 days of being ill and positive. We're told It's Pointless doing LFT once you are ill / have symptoms as it's doesn't pick it up but when my daughter had Covid in August she was doing an LFT everyday whilst ill and they kept coming back positive.......
I think I had a bad cold and then got CV after 7 - 8 days of being ill with that.
Jon - that was purely for you, Mal, Spanky and Geekis benefit......bye......
In reply to Post #138
Yes exactly LF is for no symptoms really and PCR for when you have. I think the Govt and the Press should have sold that a bit harder.
Yes exactly LF is for no symptoms really and PCR for when you have. I think the Govt and the Press should have sold that a bit harder.
In reply to Post #139
Yep, I only know that because the Mother in law worked at a hospital.....
Yep, I only know that because the Mother in law worked at a hospital.....
In reply to Post #138
Yet in reality it benefitted no one and simply destroyed any credibility you might want now or in the future. Well done.
Yet in reality it benefitted no one and simply destroyed any credibility you might want now or in the future. Well done.
In reply to Post #141
........I don't need credibility from you, Mal or Notalot.....I will say it one more time for you boys......bye.....
........I don't need credibility from you, Mal or Notalot.....I will say it one more time for you boys......bye.....
In reply to Post #138
My youngest son had covid a few weeks back,he was ill for days before returning a positive test.My wife was told by track n trace that you can have covid for 4-8 days before showing symptoms or returning a positive test.My wife had her booster yesterday and has been really ill today,she has said she won't be having anymore boosters if this is how it will be each time.
My youngest son had covid a few weeks back,he was ill for days before returning a positive test.My wife was told by track n trace that you can have covid for 4-8 days before showing symptoms or returning a positive test.My wife had her booster yesterday and has been really ill today,she has said she won't be having anymore boosters if this is how it will be each time.
In reply to Post #143
Think that's the problem Tony, we have been told various different things from various different people?
Think that's the problem Tony, we have been told various different things from various different people?
In reply to Post #144
I gave up listening to it all along time ago.I come on here for all my information as its full of experts
I gave up listening to it all along time ago.I come on here for all my information as its full of experts
In reply to Post #143
Obviously you have to weigh up the risk. I felt abit ropey after both of my jabs, but was happy to feel like that than the potential of being in hospital if I was to catch covid
Obviously you have to weigh up the risk. I felt abit ropey after both of my jabs, but was happy to feel like that than the potential of being in hospital if I was to catch covid
In reply to Post #146
How do you know that you would end up in hospital,because that's what we are being told so it must be right.They told us all that two jabs would see us get back to normal,now we need boosters every 3 months.
How do you know that you would end up in hospital,because that's what we are being told so it must be right.They told us all that two jabs would see us get back to normal,now we need boosters every 3 months.
In reply to Post #142
Are you doing that thing where you say 'bye' but then don't actually leave again?
Who'd have thought it? A closet remainer....
Stop getting so tetchy. You'll make yourself ill. It's not our fault you have made yourself look daft by going from 'it doesn't exist' to 'I've had it' to 'we've all had it twice' to 'I've had it again' .
Cheer up. Its nearly Christmas and gatherings are allowed
Are you doing that thing where you say 'bye' but then don't actually leave again?
Who'd have thought it? A closet remainer....
Stop getting so tetchy. You'll make yourself ill. It's not our fault you have made yourself look daft by going from 'it doesn't exist' to 'I've had it' to 'we've all had it twice' to 'I've had it again' .
Cheer up. Its nearly Christmas and gatherings are allowed
In reply to Post #148
Cheer up.Its nearly Christmas and gatherings are allowed
Yes they are for now,Bumbling Ballbag Boris could soon change that,he won't stop me having my family around
Cheer up.Its nearly Christmas and gatherings are allowed
Yes they are for now,Bumbling Ballbag Boris could soon change that,he won't stop me having my family around
Surely it ain't true that nightclubs in France are to close for 4 weeks due to a huge surge in cases despite the unvaccinated being banned since July?.
In reply to Post #150
It's going to happen everywhere,football will be behind closed doors again here soon.I think it's already started in Germany
It's going to happen everywhere,football will be behind closed doors again here soon.I think it's already started in Germany
In reply to Post #151
Football behind closed doors...
A huge sigh of relief is heard around goodison Park...
Football behind closed doors...
A huge sigh of relief is heard around goodison Park...
In reply to Post #151
Gone stark raving bonkers.
Gone stark raving bonkers.
In reply to Post #153
It's all to do with this new variant,anothacon is it called
It's all to do with this new variant,anothacon is it called
In reply to Post #147
I have no idea whether I'd end up in hospital, I mean I could take my chances, but then hundreds of thousands probably thought that and ended up in hospital.
I have no idea whether I'd end up in hospital, I mean I could take my chances, but then hundreds of thousands probably thought that and ended up in hospital.
In reply to Post #155
And hundreds and thousands vaccinated are ending up in hospital now they are pushing the booster onto people.I reckon by the end of January we will be in another lockdown
And hundreds and thousands vaccinated are ending up in hospital now they are pushing the booster onto people.I reckon by the end of January we will be in another lockdown
In reply to Post #148
You confused Mal or had to many beers.......
You confused Mal or had to many beers.......
In reply to Post #156
Phzer made £3b in the first half of the year, thats £750m payable in corporation tax to the government, no wonder they're pushing boosters so much. Two shots does **** all but three you're protected? Yeah right
Phzer made £3b in the first half of the year, thats £750m payable in corporation tax to the government, no wonder they're pushing boosters so much. Two shots does **** all but three you're protected? Yeah right
In reply to Post #158
France, Germany and Austria have been strict with there Covid rules......Covid passports to do anything yet there having there 4-5th wave of infections........go figure......
France, Germany and Austria have been strict with there Covid rules......Covid passports to do anything yet there having there 4-5th wave of infections........go figure......
In reply to Post #158
Looking on the bright side it keeps a lot of folk in jobs 👍🏼
Looking on the bright side it keeps a lot of folk in jobs 👍🏼
In reply to Post #159
But to be fair there deaths and infections are lower I guess partly due to those countries not being as densely populated - were all a bit squeezed together in the uk.
Yet we keep letting more and more in and build build build 🙄
But to be fair there deaths and infections are lower I guess partly due to those countries not being as densely populated - were all a bit squeezed together in the uk.
Yet we keep letting more and more in and build build build 🙄
In reply to Post #161
We can probably do without going down that avenue..
Wayne - no confusion or beer. Just recounting your Increasingly Walter mitty like progress.
The problem at the moment is that there is so little trust / confidence in our shower of a government that people are ignoring the medical / scientific profession who are trying to keep people safe...
We can probably do without going down that avenue..
Wayne - no confusion or beer. Just recounting your Increasingly Walter mitty like progress.
The problem at the moment is that there is so little trust / confidence in our shower of a government that people are ignoring the medical / scientific profession who are trying to keep people safe...
So then.... We are two years into this now.... And still the disbelievers think that it is all a 'con'. No one can explain who exactly benefits, from bankrupting the world and watching it burn... Yet it is all a 'con'. A 'con' that not one person can explain.
"It's Boris's fault"... "He's the con"...
He's just about to lose his job... Who's fault will it be then? Who will be in charge of the WORLDWIDE con when Boris and co are gone from power? Who benefits from all of this? The answer is no one whatsoever. The world is burning, no one benefits from that.
On this forum in the last few days, I've seen quotes that the new variant is all just to cover up for the Tories parties last Xmas being blurted around....
Let's break that down... 195 countries around the world, most of whom hate each others guts... They all got together, and agreed to make up a new mutation... To cover up a party for the tories last Xmas.
I don't even think that some of you even realise how crazy & unbelievable some of this stuff is, which you believe. It's not our governments fault... It's world wide. It is our governments fault for dealing with it badly... But that's it.
The reason there are inconsistencies in what 'they' say... IS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE. There is no playbook for Covid-19. No one actually knows where this is going, or how it will end. We only have our previous history to look at in that regard. That is scary regarding global pandemics... But now we have modern science which we did not have back then....
Yet a number of people want to ignore that modern science, and take their chances, that 'they know best'. They know better than the doctors and scientists here to save us. It's like being in a parallel universe sometimes, where nothing makes any sense, from trying so hard to understand these people.
When you present them with the FACTS... They just blurt out... "We will never agree". I think that some people are so scared by all of this, they are actually suffering a sort of short term mental illness regarding it all.
"It's Boris's fault"... "He's the con"...
He's just about to lose his job... Who's fault will it be then? Who will be in charge of the WORLDWIDE con when Boris and co are gone from power? Who benefits from all of this? The answer is no one whatsoever. The world is burning, no one benefits from that.
On this forum in the last few days, I've seen quotes that the new variant is all just to cover up for the Tories parties last Xmas being blurted around....
Let's break that down... 195 countries around the world, most of whom hate each others guts... They all got together, and agreed to make up a new mutation... To cover up a party for the tories last Xmas.
I don't even think that some of you even realise how crazy & unbelievable some of this stuff is, which you believe. It's not our governments fault... It's world wide. It is our governments fault for dealing with it badly... But that's it.
The reason there are inconsistencies in what 'they' say... IS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE. There is no playbook for Covid-19. No one actually knows where this is going, or how it will end. We only have our previous history to look at in that regard. That is scary regarding global pandemics... But now we have modern science which we did not have back then....
Yet a number of people want to ignore that modern science, and take their chances, that 'they know best'. They know better than the doctors and scientists here to save us. It's like being in a parallel universe sometimes, where nothing makes any sense, from trying so hard to understand these people.
When you present them with the FACTS... They just blurt out... "We will never agree". I think that some people are so scared by all of this, they are actually suffering a sort of short term mental illness regarding it all.
In reply to Post #163
I'm far from scared of it but I certainly will not be dictated too.They arrested a man last week for not wearing a mask in Tesco's even though he was medically exempt.Why should the public listen to a bunch of hypocrites,do as we say not as we do.Im sorry they can go get ****ed,are you really that concerned and stick to everything you are being told to do by these idiots in charge.
I'm far from scared of it but I certainly will not be dictated too.They arrested a man last week for not wearing a mask in Tesco's even though he was medically exempt.Why should the public listen to a bunch of hypocrites,do as we say not as we do.Im sorry they can go get ****ed,are you really that concerned and stick to everything you are being told to do by these idiots in charge.
In reply to Post #164
That's the point I was making braders
People are confusing 'do what Boris says' with sound medical advice. It's like sending a toddler to negotiate your remortgage. The whole process is undermined by the buffoon messengers
I'm not staying safe for the tory idiots. I'm doing it fir people that matter. Simple enough for me.
That's the point I was making braders
People are confusing 'do what Boris says' with sound medical advice. It's like sending a toddler to negotiate your remortgage. The whole process is undermined by the buffoon messengers
I'm not staying safe for the tory idiots. I'm doing it fir people that matter. Simple enough for me.
In reply to Post #164
Tony, you do not seem to understand how this even works, such is your need to believe that Boris etc are having one over on you, and that it is all someone from our governments fault.
Boris and co are not doctors or scientists. They are telling you, what the doctors and scientists are telling them to tell you. That's how this works. Boris is just a messenger... A clueless messenger that's it.
The UK has sadly lagged behind the rest of the world regarding mask wearing etc. Such is our governments want to protect your freedoms, the same freedoms that seem to matter more to certain people than their own families lives. Everywhere else in the world had no problem telling their citizens from the start... YOU WILL DO THIS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD... They told their citizens in no uncertain terms.
Two months wages in fine, in other places in the world if you are caught OUTSIDE without your mask on, no breaks in this.... Constant since last January.
Is that happening to you here in the UK? No, it could not because of our freedoms, and consequently our total hate of being told what to do because of those same total freedoms.
I understand perfectly, that I'm being told what to do by doctors and scientists, not that useless Joey Boris... It's a shame you and others cannot understand that. Stop watching the poison news mate.
Right from the start I tried to warn everyone on here, to ignore the news regarding masks do not work... I repeated over and over through my son, that this was being said because of a lack of FFP2/3 masks for the NHS... I have worn an FFP3 mask from day one... On my sons say so. No one would listen to me, they were more interested in arguing that masks do not work full stop. The same people were not interested when I was telling them through my son that young healthy people were starting to be seriously affected to by the virus. Certain people started accusing my son of lying, of being part of the con because it did not match up to their strange views... He's a normal hard working paramedic seeing this stuff first hand with his own eyes, not polluted via the news or the internet.
All the way through these same people have been wrong at every single point... Not one of them can admit they are wrong, not once. Not ever.
That is so telling about the whole situation, and certain peoples mindset, that means they are never wrong, and they always know best.
Tony, you do not seem to understand how this even works, such is your need to believe that Boris etc are having one over on you, and that it is all someone from our governments fault.
Boris and co are not doctors or scientists. They are telling you, what the doctors and scientists are telling them to tell you. That's how this works. Boris is just a messenger... A clueless messenger that's it.
The UK has sadly lagged behind the rest of the world regarding mask wearing etc. Such is our governments want to protect your freedoms, the same freedoms that seem to matter more to certain people than their own families lives. Everywhere else in the world had no problem telling their citizens from the start... YOU WILL DO THIS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD... They told their citizens in no uncertain terms.
Two months wages in fine, in other places in the world if you are caught OUTSIDE without your mask on, no breaks in this.... Constant since last January.
Is that happening to you here in the UK? No, it could not because of our freedoms, and consequently our total hate of being told what to do because of those same total freedoms.
I understand perfectly, that I'm being told what to do by doctors and scientists, not that useless Joey Boris... It's a shame you and others cannot understand that. Stop watching the poison news mate.
Right from the start I tried to warn everyone on here, to ignore the news regarding masks do not work... I repeated over and over through my son, that this was being said because of a lack of FFP2/3 masks for the NHS... I have worn an FFP3 mask from day one... On my sons say so. No one would listen to me, they were more interested in arguing that masks do not work full stop. The same people were not interested when I was telling them through my son that young healthy people were starting to be seriously affected to by the virus. Certain people started accusing my son of lying, of being part of the con because it did not match up to their strange views... He's a normal hard working paramedic seeing this stuff first hand with his own eyes, not polluted via the news or the internet.
All the way through these same people have been wrong at every single point... Not one of them can admit they are wrong, not once. Not ever.
That is so telling about the whole situation, and certain peoples mindset, that means they are never wrong, and they always know best.
Right from the start I've followed the right scientists and doctors on Twitter. The Govt are not the brains. Entitled cunning greedy maybe. But in a Pandemic I would rather listen to virologists.
ONS and National Health Post direct figures too. You can quite easily stay a few weeks ahead of these simpletons in Govt re this Virus. Mind you they are busy doing everything but.
ONS and National Health Post direct figures too. You can quite easily stay a few weeks ahead of these simpletons in Govt re this Virus. Mind you they are busy doing everything but.
In reply to Post #166
It would be nice to see some actual evidence of why choices are made.......rather than “next slide please”......
Following the science is one thing but surely you have to follow it from a collective of scientists and professors rather than the ones you choose? Lots of scientists do not agree with stuff that's being done, why is that?
Take Fegurson for instance......wrong so many times yet they continue to follow his claims??
It would be nice to see some actual evidence of why choices are made.......rather than “next slide please”......
Following the science is one thing but surely you have to follow it from a collective of scientists and professors rather than the ones you choose? Lots of scientists do not agree with stuff that's being done, why is that?
Take Fegurson for instance......wrong so many times yet they continue to follow his claims??
In reply to Post #165
I agree but please tell me how scientists know what is going to happen as we have never dealt with anything like Covid before.Are they guessing or predicting what will happen.I predict its a man made virus and I predict it is here to stay for the rest of our lives.The government is so worried about this omicron strain,yet they are closing down the quarantine hotels and telling people travelling back from red list countries to isolate at home.A prediction has been made that 75000 more people will be dead by the end of April in the UK,yet South Africa are saying the vaccine is showing encouraging signs against it and patients are not needing extra oxygen to survive.So what do we actually listen to
I agree but please tell me how scientists know what is going to happen as we have never dealt with anything like Covid before.Are they guessing or predicting what will happen.I predict its a man made virus and I predict it is here to stay for the rest of our lives.The government is so worried about this omicron strain,yet they are closing down the quarantine hotels and telling people travelling back from red list countries to isolate at home.A prediction has been made that 75000 more people will be dead by the end of April in the UK,yet South Africa are saying the vaccine is showing encouraging signs against it and patients are not needing extra oxygen to survive.So what do we actually listen to
In reply to Post #168
Antis follow Yeadon. And he's been wrong everytime too.
A bit of application and an open mind and you can pick the truth day by day between the extremes.
Antis follow Yeadon. And he's been wrong everytime too.
A bit of application and an open mind and you can pick the truth day by day between the extremes.
In reply to Post #169
Fair enough
I suppose my reasoning is that I'm more inclined to listen to a reasoned educated projection than 'My mate found this on facebook' ...
Fair enough
I suppose my reasoning is that I'm more inclined to listen to a reasoned educated projection than 'My mate found this on facebook' ...
In reply to Post #170
Exactly, who is right and who is wrong? Their all scientists etc? Open mind then ties up with what your force fed by MSM.......could be right, but also wrong!
Look at Omi like Tony says......South African scientists and doctors are saying one thing yet ours are saying something else......if you can't trust the science then who do you trust??
Exactly, who is right and who is wrong? Their all scientists etc? Open mind then ties up with what your force fed by MSM.......could be right, but also wrong!
Look at Omi like Tony says......South African scientists and doctors are saying one thing yet ours are saying something else......if you can't trust the science then who do you trust??
In reply to Post #171
It is our scientists who are saying it,yet South Africa's scientists are saying different.Who you going to believe in that situation.
It is our scientists who are saying it,yet South Africa's scientists are saying different.Who you going to believe in that situation.
In reply to Post #172
You have to pick a path between them. Stay updated. Also watch an individuals usual narrative. I have no time for people that have absolutes. Making wild predictions that 'its all over ' (June 2020 Yeadon) or half a.million will die (Ferguson)
Though often the press misquotes or.misses huge parts out justnfor clicks.
You have to pick a path between them. Stay updated. Also watch an individuals usual narrative. I have no time for people that have absolutes. Making wild predictions that 'its all over ' (June 2020 Yeadon) or half a.million will die (Ferguson)
Though often the press misquotes or.misses huge parts out justnfor clicks.
All fair enough
But... there are basics
Wearing a mask does help in restriction of transmission of germs from my face
Keeping a distance from others and avoiding rooms full of drunk shouty people also helps
Vaccination is a proven route for the medical profession in public health - just ask everyone who isn't dead of smallpox
I've no need for a scientist or a politician to instruct me on simple things like that. Just like I don't need to see wind tunnel data and crash dummy analytics to know that driving slower and safer in crowded areas and wearing a seat belt are very good for keeping myself and others safer...
And gavin Williamson can still **** off
But... there are basics
Wearing a mask does help in restriction of transmission of germs from my face
Keeping a distance from others and avoiding rooms full of drunk shouty people also helps
Vaccination is a proven route for the medical profession in public health - just ask everyone who isn't dead of smallpox
I've no need for a scientist or a politician to instruct me on simple things like that. Just like I don't need to see wind tunnel data and crash dummy analytics to know that driving slower and safer in crowded areas and wearing a seat belt are very good for keeping myself and others safer...
And gavin Williamson can still **** off
In reply to Post #174
The problem is, the scientists and virologists (the experts) use data to predict what might happen, using mathematical modelling they predict best and worst case scenarios and then different parts of the media decide which outcomes to report on. Guess what, reporting 75000 deaths is easy work for a news channel. Reporting nuanced complicated possible outcomes is not.
This morning a conservative MP touted a million infections within a few weeks, using what he referred to as simple maths. It's an outright lie, modelling future outcomes is complicated as hell. He was using an assumption that nobody in the country has any immunity from prior infection or vaccination. The headline is out, it will never be corrected. He said that because he wants people to go out and get jabbed.
It's like an information war at the moment.
The problem is, the scientists and virologists (the experts) use data to predict what might happen, using mathematical modelling they predict best and worst case scenarios and then different parts of the media decide which outcomes to report on. Guess what, reporting 75000 deaths is easy work for a news channel. Reporting nuanced complicated possible outcomes is not.
This morning a conservative MP touted a million infections within a few weeks, using what he referred to as simple maths. It's an outright lie, modelling future outcomes is complicated as hell. He was using an assumption that nobody in the country has any immunity from prior infection or vaccination. The headline is out, it will never be corrected. He said that because he wants people to go out and get jabbed.
It's like an information war at the moment.
In reply to Post #175
How many people are not wearing masks now,I was out yesterday in a shopping centre and I can honestly say more people were not wearing them than people that were.I had mine on like a good boy
How many people are not wearing masks now,I was out yesterday in a shopping centre and I can honestly say more people were not wearing them than people that were.I had mine on like a good boy
In reply to Post #177
Too many
But it's that mix of 'I know better' / 'I'm sick of being told what to do by hypocrites' / 'nobody else is doing it so why should I?' Etc.
Too many
But it's that mix of 'I know better' / 'I'm sick of being told what to do by hypocrites' / 'nobody else is doing it so why should I?' Etc.
Everyone still alive today?
As you were
Not sure about living with covid. We can't even live with each other
I don't ridicule people who want a vaccine but you can imagine the responses I've had... and my retort
As you were
Not sure about living with covid. We can't even live with each other
I don't ridicule people who want a vaccine but you can imagine the responses I've had... and my retort
In reply to Post #178
The main people I saw not bothering was probably late teenage to mid twenties age group.One woman was challenged by an older woman and her reply was not very nice at all
The main people I saw not bothering was probably late teenage to mid twenties age group.One woman was challenged by an older woman and her reply was not very nice at all
South African doctor on LBC this morning......
"We've been dealing with this Omicron variant for 4 weeks, regardless of vaccination status Omicron only causes mild disease TRUST US"
Yet we're starting to hear about plan C from UK scientists and the Government, Witty etc! Anyone care to question this?
Spot on Vince......
Still alive Jon......
"We've been dealing with this Omicron variant for 4 weeks, regardless of vaccination status Omicron only causes mild disease TRUST US"
Yet we're starting to hear about plan C from UK scientists and the Government, Witty etc! Anyone care to question this?
Spot on Vince......
Still alive Jon......
In reply to Post #181
Thats what they reported weeks ago,it's more contagious but carries far less danger and symptoms are mild to non
Thats what they reported weeks ago,it's more contagious but carries far less danger and symptoms are mild to non
Can't be much left of that 3 weeks now, surely.
Big bucks to pharma with big returns in donations ‘well that's the proper name' to this sleazy corrupt bunch of (unt5.
In reply to Post #184
In every country during this covid pandemic there are the same anti-government feelings / blaming. As we see the protests all around Europe and further afield so I couldn't give two hoots what Boris does / has been accused of . I'm just trying to focus on what's important to me and my family.
All I want is an end to this though it's not happening any time soon.
Yep fingers are crossed that this new variant is just a mild variant though you have to bare in mind the average age in Africa is 27 so you would expect that. Probably explains the current booster drive.
Just found out an old mates in hospital on a ventilator he's unvaccinated
His 3 kids and wife in bits
In every country during this covid pandemic there are the same anti-government feelings / blaming. As we see the protests all around Europe and further afield so I couldn't give two hoots what Boris does / has been accused of . I'm just trying to focus on what's important to me and my family.
All I want is an end to this though it's not happening any time soon.
Yep fingers are crossed that this new variant is just a mild variant though you have to bare in mind the average age in Africa is 27 so you would expect that. Probably explains the current booster drive.
Just found out an old mates in hospital on a ventilator he's unvaccinated
His 3 kids and wife in bits
In reply to Post #185
Hope your mate pulls through.
Tv address at 8pm. People will not be happy if they announce more restrictions based on guess work
Hope your mate pulls through.
Tv address at 8pm. People will not be happy if they announce more restrictions based on guess work
In reply to Post #186
Is that not what they have done from the start
Is that not what they have done from the start
In reply to Post #186
The knob and his mates are moving to Tier 4.......most of the comments I have read on various different news feeds are saying Bollox to you Boris........
South African countries with piss poor vaccine uptake are saying it's mild with hardly any people hospitalised , witty and co are saying we're doomed.......next slide please.......
The knob and his mates are moving to Tier 4.......most of the comments I have read on various different news feeds are saying Bollox to you Boris........
South African countries with piss poor vaccine uptake are saying it's mild with hardly any people hospitalised , witty and co are saying we're doomed.......next slide please.......
In reply to Post #186
I've got 60 y11 kids on performance exams tomorrow and Tuesday .. hoping for their sake that we stay open. They've been brilliant through all the disruption and have been no fuss at all with working to guidelines..
After that he can give us an early break of course
I've got 60 y11 kids on performance exams tomorrow and Tuesday .. hoping for their sake that we stay open. They've been brilliant through all the disruption and have been no fuss at all with working to guidelines..
After that he can give us an early break of course
In reply to Post #189
You teachers already get too much bloody time off
You teachers already get too much bloody time off
In reply to Post #188
I saw a comment on the mail site..
“Alec Baldwin has killed more people than omicron”
I know it's not funny, but I had to laugh
I saw a comment on the mail site..
“Alec Baldwin has killed more people than omicron”
I know it's not funny, but I had to laugh
Stay part of the problem by keep taking note of Bojo and his cronies.
In reply to Post #190
In reply to Post #189
There won't be any significant additional restrictions.
He's just doing it to try to recover some of his reputation, and also to make out the situation is grave, only to then come out in a couple of weeks and take the credit for fixing everything (a commonly used tactic over the past 2 years)
There won't be any significant additional restrictions.
He's just doing it to try to recover some of his reputation, and also to make out the situation is grave, only to then come out in a couple of weeks and take the credit for fixing everything (a commonly used tactic over the past 2 years)
In reply to Post #188
Wayne, 2 vaccines aren't enough but three hits the sweet spot. You want me to book you an appointment?
Wayne, 2 vaccines aren't enough but three hits the sweet spot. You want me to book you an appointment?
In reply to Post #195
I'm on my way to a jab centre now.......
So our scientists are ignoring SA country scientists.......
I'm on my way to a jab centre now.......
So our scientists are ignoring SA country scientists.......
In reply to Post #196
Like we did not see that happening
Like we did not see that happening
Given the timescale the unvaccinated might as well be allowed to do as they please, it's not like we have 6 months or more for 3 jabs
What a load of old tosh. I mean I accept I may die with covid at some point being unvaccinated but they're just making this **** up as they go along
What a load of old tosh. I mean I accept I may die with covid at some point being unvaccinated but they're just making this **** up as they go along
In reply to Post #198
What I dont understand is why the panic with this omicron,there are more cases but not one single death in the UK from this strain
What I dont understand is why the panic with this omicron,there are more cases but not one single death in the UK from this strain
In reply to Post #199
Case numbers are so low at the moment, and also deaths lag a few weeks behind cases.
EDIT: But yes, as previously stated, much of the panic is media and govt induced, media love a bit of panic and govt love to create a doomsday scenario which they then take the credit for preventing. Sky news are the absolute worst of the media / news.
Case numbers are so low at the moment, and also deaths lag a few weeks behind cases.
EDIT: But yes, as previously stated, much of the panic is media and govt induced, media love a bit of panic and govt love to create a doomsday scenario which they then take the credit for preventing. Sky news are the absolute worst of the media / news.
In reply to Post #200
South Africa are reporting symptoms are mild,they are 4 weeks ahead of us
South Africa are reporting symptoms are mild,they are 4 weeks ahead of us
In reply to Post #199
It's doubling every 2 to 3 days instead of a matter of weeks. So even with most not getting ill from it. If you have a million at thw same time a tiny % will need ICU and frankly we don't have the beds or the staff.
I guess as he's been late to act every time and was reported this time last year to say 'Let the bodies pile high' when scientists advised lock down. Then ****ed xmas a month later. He's being political rather than scientific or caring.
Nothing much has changed anyway.
It's doubling every 2 to 3 days instead of a matter of weeks. So even with most not getting ill from it. If you have a million at thw same time a tiny % will need ICU and frankly we don't have the beds or the staff.
I guess as he's been late to act every time and was reported this time last year to say 'Let the bodies pile high' when scientists advised lock down. Then ****ed xmas a month later. He's being political rather than scientific or caring.
Nothing much has changed anyway.
In reply to Post #201
Hopefully it stays this way, but numbers are too low at the moment. They are reporting cases at about half the rate we are at the moment.
Hopefully it stays this way, but numbers are too low at the moment. They are reporting cases at about half the rate we are at the moment.
In reply to Post #198
"The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results"
Albert Einstein
"The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results"
Albert Einstein
In reply to Post #202
That may well be due to a reduced incubation period as well though. Which could be a good thing in the long run.
That may well be due to a reduced incubation period as well though. Which could be a good thing in the long run.
Dr. John Campbell -> Good fortune with omicron
youtube.com/watch?v=m2vI4XczqZ8
youtube.com/watch?v=m2vI4XczqZ8
In reply to Post #201
Symptoms maybe mild Tony so far... But it just mutated around our antibodies and the vaccines. Instead of doubling every couple of weeks like previous mutations... It's doubling every two days. Do you realise this is a massive change? It is this part of the last mutation that is REALLY worrying them. We are now at the stage where the virus is armed and ready to wipe out great numbers of us with a further quick mutation.
One more mutation that goes pear shaped and this thing can wipe out millions of us within a couple of weeks. The infection numbers of the new strain are incredible doubling every two days. One day the naysayers are finally going to realise this. I liken it to a vet explaining to a child that their first pet is terminally ill and is going to die in the next few days. The child does not want to believe it... So convinces themselves that this is NOT & NEVER going to happen.
That's clearly what is going on here. Some people want to look at every possible scenario that means this is NOTHING. It's all just a big hoax. It''s being written on this very forum daily.
If Boris stood up on the evening news and said... "Look folks, this is going the wrong way"... "Lots of us are going to die". There would be outright panic... The world would pretty much implode. They are never going to tell you this news until it upon us. But that is the exact reason our freedoms are seen to being eroded... In a desperate attempt to save us. That's all.
Like the mask wearing at the very start, as an intelligent human being, you have to read between the lines, get what information you can... AND KEEP YOU AND YOUR FAMILY SAFE.
Or, you could run around like that child in the vets... Screaming NONE OF THIS IS REALLY HAPPENING.
That choice is yours mate.
Symptoms maybe mild Tony so far... But it just mutated around our antibodies and the vaccines. Instead of doubling every couple of weeks like previous mutations... It's doubling every two days. Do you realise this is a massive change? It is this part of the last mutation that is REALLY worrying them. We are now at the stage where the virus is armed and ready to wipe out great numbers of us with a further quick mutation.
One more mutation that goes pear shaped and this thing can wipe out millions of us within a couple of weeks. The infection numbers of the new strain are incredible doubling every two days. One day the naysayers are finally going to realise this. I liken it to a vet explaining to a child that their first pet is terminally ill and is going to die in the next few days. The child does not want to believe it... So convinces themselves that this is NOT & NEVER going to happen.
That's clearly what is going on here. Some people want to look at every possible scenario that means this is NOTHING. It's all just a big hoax. It''s being written on this very forum daily.
If Boris stood up on the evening news and said... "Look folks, this is going the wrong way"... "Lots of us are going to die". There would be outright panic... The world would pretty much implode. They are never going to tell you this news until it upon us. But that is the exact reason our freedoms are seen to being eroded... In a desperate attempt to save us. That's all.
Like the mask wearing at the very start, as an intelligent human being, you have to read between the lines, get what information you can... AND KEEP YOU AND YOUR FAMILY SAFE.
Or, you could run around like that child in the vets... Screaming NONE OF THIS IS REALLY HAPPENING.
That choice is yours mate.
In reply to Post #207
It's not going to happen Mark.......2 jabs do nothing but third gets you back to 80%.......come on......
It's not going to happen Mark.......2 jabs do nothing but third gets you back to 80%.......come on......
In reply to Post #208
Yes Wayne, you have been saying this from the very start. Two years on, the amount of dribble that has poured from your mouth about the whole situation is unreal mate
Yet still you plough on... You have just been in hospital with serious chest pains from Covid-19... Yet still describe what you had as a cold.
What you had would have killed any of your elderly family. DEAD. What you just had is far stronger than the first (and I'm sure second time) you had it, when you described it as NOTHING.
You don't want to look at what is actually happening. You want to blame the government. People like you are the very reason the virus is now out of control here. You refuse to wear a mask as it's your freedoms. You think that you are right constantly, even when over and over again you are proved wrong. You are constantly looking at who's fault this is... Instead of very simple solutions.
You seem to be suffering some weird phenomenon where you are NEVER going to see what is happening. To the point that they are going to have to force you to see it for the safety of everyone.
If large swathes of your own family start dying... Will you still be banging this same drum forever? Honest answer mate?
Yes Wayne, you have been saying this from the very start. Two years on, the amount of dribble that has poured from your mouth about the whole situation is unreal mate
Yet still you plough on... You have just been in hospital with serious chest pains from Covid-19... Yet still describe what you had as a cold.
What you had would have killed any of your elderly family. DEAD. What you just had is far stronger than the first (and I'm sure second time) you had it, when you described it as NOTHING.
You don't want to look at what is actually happening. You want to blame the government. People like you are the very reason the virus is now out of control here. You refuse to wear a mask as it's your freedoms. You think that you are right constantly, even when over and over again you are proved wrong. You are constantly looking at who's fault this is... Instead of very simple solutions.
You seem to be suffering some weird phenomenon where you are NEVER going to see what is happening. To the point that they are going to have to force you to see it for the safety of everyone.
If large swathes of your own family start dying... Will you still be banging this same drum forever? Honest answer mate?
Slightly different wording from Sajid Javid on lbc this morning. The booster will hopefully prevent symptomatic infection.. not transmission
Doomed I tell thee. Doomed
Doomed I tell thee. Doomed
Guardian story from November 22nd. I personally think some of you should read this and feel ashamed. Buck your ideas up and sort your lives out. Admit you were wrong and move forwards. There is nothing to be ashamed of being wrong perviously, none of us are doctors. But now you have the information, do nothing and you should be ashamed of yourself. Do something about it for gawds sake. Or it will be you as the next fit and healthy young unvaccinated person in ICU. This respiratory doctor is telling the exact same story as my son and daughter in law. For some strange reason certain people do not want to believe it. xx
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin
"But the story is different on our intensive care unit. Here, the patient population consists of a few vulnerable people with severe underlying health problems and a majority of fit, healthy, younger people unvaccinated by choice. Watching the mix of patients coming in with Covid, it feels to me like hardly anybody has been vaccinated nowadays; of course, this is because the people that have been vaccinated are getting on with their lives at home. If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you."
"As a respiratory doctor, I have spent my whole career treating people whose lung diseases have been caused by smoking, including long after they knew the risks. I have spent countless hours with people who blame themselves for ruining their health; I have thought a lot about our personal responsibility for our health and to what degree we should be held accountable for our choices. I personally – unlike some of my colleagues – have never felt any ambivalence about treating smokers without judgment in exactly the same way as people with diseases that are not seen as self-inflicted."
"Translating this to the choice not to take the vaccine, however, I find my patience wearing thin. I think this is for a number of reasons. Even if you are not worried about your own risk from Covid, you cannot know the risk of the people into whose faces you may cough; there is a dangerous and selfish element to this that I find hard to stomach."
"Some of my frustration is directed upwards, at the flagrant misinformation flourishing in certain places and the utterly woeful example that our leaders continue to set. I have never heard a reason not to take the vaccine that I have agreed with. Most of all, however, I am now beaten back, exhausted, worn down by the continuous stream of people that we battle to treat when they have consciously passed up the opportunity to save themselves. It does make me angry."
"Fundamentally though, for me, it comes down to this. I can't think of a single case offhand of a person who was previously fit and healthy who has ended up needing intensive care after being fully vaccinated. It may not stop you from catching Covid. But it can save your life when you do."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin
"But the story is different on our intensive care unit. Here, the patient population consists of a few vulnerable people with severe underlying health problems and a majority of fit, healthy, younger people unvaccinated by choice. Watching the mix of patients coming in with Covid, it feels to me like hardly anybody has been vaccinated nowadays; of course, this is because the people that have been vaccinated are getting on with their lives at home. If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you."
"As a respiratory doctor, I have spent my whole career treating people whose lung diseases have been caused by smoking, including long after they knew the risks. I have spent countless hours with people who blame themselves for ruining their health; I have thought a lot about our personal responsibility for our health and to what degree we should be held accountable for our choices. I personally – unlike some of my colleagues – have never felt any ambivalence about treating smokers without judgment in exactly the same way as people with diseases that are not seen as self-inflicted."
"Translating this to the choice not to take the vaccine, however, I find my patience wearing thin. I think this is for a number of reasons. Even if you are not worried about your own risk from Covid, you cannot know the risk of the people into whose faces you may cough; there is a dangerous and selfish element to this that I find hard to stomach."
"Some of my frustration is directed upwards, at the flagrant misinformation flourishing in certain places and the utterly woeful example that our leaders continue to set. I have never heard a reason not to take the vaccine that I have agreed with. Most of all, however, I am now beaten back, exhausted, worn down by the continuous stream of people that we battle to treat when they have consciously passed up the opportunity to save themselves. It does make me angry."
"Fundamentally though, for me, it comes down to this. I can't think of a single case offhand of a person who was previously fit and healthy who has ended up needing intensive care after being fully vaccinated. It may not stop you from catching Covid. But it can save your life when you do."
In reply to Post #206
Weekly hospital admissions in south africa
The preliminary news is good, however the hospitalisations are rising sharply. I just hope that Dr's optimism is well founded.
Weekly hospital admissions in south africa
The preliminary news is good, however the hospitalisations are rising sharply. I just hope that Dr's optimism is well founded.
In reply to Post #212
Do you Know if that's SA as a whole or the individual countries where Omi is??
Do you Know if that's SA as a whole or the individual countries where Omi is??
In reply to Post #213
Not sure what you mean? South Africa is just one country.
Not sure what you mean? South Africa is just one country.
In reply to Post #214
Omi was reported in Botswana, Mozambique, Zimbabwe etc......I wonder if that graph is just for SA or a collective of those countries??
Mark, I can't be arsed to right a big speech so will keep it short.
Can you tell me what I have been wrong about?
Fact check - I wasn't in hospital for chest pains by Covid. I was taken to hospital 3 years ago with the same thing and advised then if it ever happened again it would need investigating properly - CT next week to check my valves, enzyme levels etc!
Edit - removed as pointless......
Omi was reported in Botswana, Mozambique, Zimbabwe etc......I wonder if that graph is just for SA or a collective of those countries??
Mark, I can't be arsed to right a big speech so will keep it short.
Can you tell me what I have been wrong about?
Fact check - I wasn't in hospital for chest pains by Covid. I was taken to hospital 3 years ago with the same thing and advised then if it ever happened again it would need investigating properly - CT next week to check my valves, enzyme levels etc!
Edit - removed as pointless......
In reply to Post #215
Just SA that Wayne (keep off the JHB )
Just SA that Wayne
(keep off the JHB )
In reply to Post #216
........bird is fit though......
........bird is fit though......
From 'I see You' Today on FB
Nothing is yet certain about the Omicron variant, but there's a solid chance it could turn out to be the worst thing to come out of South Africa since Oscar Pistorius. Milder or not, it's certainly blasting its way through more doors than he ever did, and all it takes is enough infections for that comparatively lower percentage of hospitalisations to become a real problem.
Nothing is yet certain about the Omicron variant, but there's a solid chance it could turn out to be the worst thing to come out of South Africa since Oscar Pistorius. Milder or not, it's certainly blasting its way through more doors than he ever did, and all it takes is enough infections for that comparatively lower percentage of hospitalisations to become a real problem.
The world is over,let's all just accept we are all going to die before the end of January 2022
In reply to Post #220
Well some good news just found out after 4 tough days my old mates off the ventilator and responding well.
Hopefully will be released to home later this week and can focus on Xmas 👍
Well some good news just found out after 4 tough days my old mates off the ventilator and responding well.
Hopefully will be released to home later this week and can focus on Xmas 👍
In reply to Post #220
Wayne still continues to blather on about vaccinations not being vaccinations because you can still catch and spread it - all that shows is he doesn't know what the word vaccination means and what they do
I don't recall saying that Jamie? I know Vaccines work to a certain point but I don't agree with the bull**** stories were force fed which makes me sceptical. I can only go on official stats that simply show the elderly and clinically vulnerable need this Jab.......most of the population don't. I get the save all the elderly but if the vaccine works like it does and they can get topped up every few months why the hell do 5-40yr olds need it, there is still a reduced chance they can pass it to their vaccinated granny or grandad! That's all I have said all along.
The push by countries and media to split vaxxed / unvaxxed is now more concerning than the virus itself IMO
I read a few food shops in Canada are refusing to let unvaxxed in to buy food, if that's the case then I'm amazed no one sees issue with that kind of coercive tyranny! We're being pushed to nanny states where a few people in suits round a table know what's best for us and how to live our lives.......if that's what's coming we may as well all go off grid and **** the system to be happy in the next few years!
Wayne still continues to blather on about vaccinations not being vaccinations because you can still catch and spread it - all that shows is he doesn't know what the word vaccination means and what they do
I don't recall saying that Jamie? I know Vaccines work to a certain point but I don't agree with the bull**** stories were force fed which makes me sceptical. I can only go on official stats that simply show the elderly and clinically vulnerable need this Jab.......most of the population don't. I get the save all the elderly but if the vaccine works like it does and they can get topped up every few months why the hell do 5-40yr olds need it, there is still a reduced chance they can pass it to their vaccinated granny or grandad! That's all I have said all along.
The push by countries and media to split vaxxed / unvaxxed is now more concerning than the virus itself IMO
I read a few food shops in Canada are refusing to let unvaxxed in to buy food, if that's the case then I'm amazed no one sees issue with that kind of coercive tyranny! We're being pushed to nanny states where a few people in suits round a table know what's best for us and how to live our lives.......if that's what's coming we may as well all go off grid and **** the system to be happy in the next few years!
In reply to Post #221
Thats good news
Thats good news
In reply to Post #222
Do you ever consider getting the jab Wayne? Do you ever sit and weigh it up? are there times when you weaken and nearly do it? I'm genuinely fascinated by your position as you seem quite close to crossing the line at times. It seems to me that you don't like the state telling you what to do, and if they didn't urge you to do it, you would go out and have it?
Do you ever consider getting the jab Wayne? Do you ever sit and weigh it up? are there times when you weaken and nearly do it? I'm genuinely fascinated by your position as you seem quite close to crossing the line at times. It seems to me that you don't like the state telling you what to do, and if they didn't urge you to do it, you would go out and have it?
In reply to Post #222
there is still a reduced chance they can pass it to their vaccinated granny or grandad! That's all I have said all along
Not really true is it Wayne? Have you forgotten all the scamdemic/plandemic/Trumps on it with his hydroxythingy cobblers you were saying all along .. until a few months ago?
The push by countries and media to split vaxxed / unvaxxed is now more concerning than the virus itself IMO
I bet it's concerning for you. You're in a very small minority, and look who's on your side .. Piers Corbyn and the Right Said Fred boys.
there is still a reduced chance they can pass it to their vaccinated granny or grandad! That's all I have said all along
Not really true is it Wayne? Have you forgotten all the scamdemic/plandemic/Trumps on it with his hydroxythingy cobblers you were saying all along .. until a few months ago?
The push by countries and media to split vaxxed / unvaxxed is now more concerning than the virus itself IMO
I bet it's concerning for you. You're in a very small minority, and look who's on your side .. Piers Corbyn and the Right Said Fred boys.
In reply to Post #224
Good news Jason......
Jon, you don't listen so won't spell it out for you AGAIN!
Vince, Closest I have been to a jab centre is when I went for a costa across the road from one. I Don't mind being told what to do if clear evidence is available to back it up. Which is one thing I ain't seen for my age group to be jabbed every few months.
My circle is small and honest and that's just how I like it.......
Good news Jason......
Jon, you don't listen so won't spell it out for you AGAIN!
Vince, Closest I have been to a jab centre is when I went for a costa across the road from one. I Don't mind being told what to do if clear evidence is available to back it up. Which is one thing I ain't seen for my age group to be jabbed every few months.
My circle is small and honest and that's just how I like it.......
In reply to Post #215
Quote... Can you tell me what I have been wrong about?
Well Wayne, that's pretty simple... Virtually every single thing regarding Covid for the past two years you got wrong.
In the way of some Xmas spirit though, I will let everyone else (Like Jon has) tell you all the things that you got wrong mate. That's more fun.
Just go and get a vaxx you donut. You read that Guardian article below by the respiratory doctor telling you how ICU is full too bursting with people like you? Don't let that be you mate for no reason.
No one is trying to kill you Wayne, they are trying to save us all.
Quote... Can you tell me what I have been wrong about?
Well Wayne, that's pretty simple... Virtually every single thing regarding Covid for the past two years you got wrong.
In the way of some Xmas spirit though, I will let everyone else (Like Jon has) tell you all the things that you got wrong mate. That's more fun.
Just go and get a vaxx you donut. You read that Guardian article below by the respiratory doctor telling you how ICU is full too bursting with people like you? Don't let that be you mate for no reason.
No one is trying to kill you Wayne, they are trying to save us all.
In reply to Post #227
That's a cop out Mark and bull**** as you well know! Jon don't know **** as I played him and his mates like puppets for months because of hysterical reaction to the BBC news reports ........
Rare but ay........his choice some will say.......odds at 1/50000 of that happening. odds of my age group being seriously ill or dying .......far far greater......
Your a betting man Mark.......can you work the odds out for 0.4%........
That's a cop out Mark and bull**** as you well know! Jon don't know **** as I played him and his mates like puppets for months because of hysterical reaction to the BBC news reports ........
Rare but ay........his choice some will say.......odds at 1/50000 of that happening. odds of my age group being seriously ill or dying .......far far greater......
Your a betting man Mark.......can you work the odds out for 0.4%........
In reply to Post #220
My sister had an aneurysm and lived at 40 with the best private care, previous generations from 35-50 all died in my local hospital. A known side effect of the vaccine is a know hereditary problem in my own brain.. even my moronic cowardly little genetic misprint of muscle can see a heightened risk, no?
Don't go around insulting people without knowing the background of their concerns.
Moron or a coward
That's like me saying everybody pro vaccine is a self righteous **** married to Dr Quinn bloody medicine woman or old and fat
You can't be for the people but against the people's concerns.
Those 5 year olds may think ms Reynolds is important, she may be to them. My concern is my kids having somebody to house and feed them.
Crack on with the vaccines, I hope they're a success. I fear right now they won't, it's like taking a pain killer for a bad back and doing more harm than good when your natural threshold is artificially stretched.
My sister had an aneurysm and lived at 40 with the best private care, previous generations from 35-50 all died in my local hospital. A known side effect of the vaccine is a know hereditary problem in my own brain.. even my moronic cowardly little genetic misprint of muscle can see a heightened risk, no?
Don't go around insulting people without knowing the background of their concerns.
Moron or a coward
That's like me saying everybody pro vaccine is a self righteous **** married to Dr Quinn bloody medicine woman or old and fat
You can't be for the people but against the people's concerns.
Those 5 year olds may think ms Reynolds is important, she may be to them. My concern is my kids having somebody to house and feed them.
Crack on with the vaccines, I hope they're a success. I fear right now they won't, it's like taking a pain killer for a bad back and doing more harm than good when your natural threshold is artificially stretched.
In reply to Post #227
It's funny how people are believing everything they are being told.I was in hospital last month having a check up on my eye.I got talking to the doctor and was told a few things that shocked me,our local paper at the time was reporting our covid ward had children in it and was getting full.As soon as we got chatting about it all they laughed and said don't believe everything you read in the papers.I won't go into what they told me other than alot of what we are being told is to push the vaccine (their words not mine)
It's funny how people are believing everything they are being told.I was in hospital last month having a check up on my eye.I got talking to the doctor and was told a few things that shocked me,our local paper at the time was reporting our covid ward had children in it and was getting full.As soon as we got chatting about it all they laughed and said don't believe everything you read in the papers.I won't go into what they told me other than alot of what we are being told is to push the vaccine (their words not mine)
In reply to Post #230
“don't believe everything you read in the papers.”
Why not go into what they said or it could be considered propaganda lol
“don't believe everything you read in the papers.”
Why not go into what they said or it could be considered propaganda lol
In reply to Post #230
Great Post Jon.......
Really Tony, bloke must be a lying, selfish, unvaccinated ****er with an agenda.......
Anyone worked those odds out yet.......
Great Post Jon.......
Really Tony, bloke must be a lying, selfish, unvaccinated ****er with an agenda.......
Anyone worked those odds out yet.......
In reply to Post #232
Wahey. More insults. Great
That example was not comparing the medical efficacy of paracetamol and a covid vaccine
I'm talking about the virus clearly being exported around the world by VACCINATED AND NEGATIVE TESTED travellers ffs.
Papering over the cracks maybe, like I posted the other day SJ now saying the booster will prevent symptomatic infection.
I don't come on here to preach, insult or be insulted. It's a forum for discussion and if you're not open minded enough to discuss it without dropping the ‘scaredy-cat' bomb you should go on Twitter or Facebook
Wahey. More insults. Great
That example was not comparing the medical efficacy of paracetamol and a covid vaccine
I'm talking about the virus clearly being exported around the world by VACCINATED AND NEGATIVE TESTED travellers ffs.
Papering over the cracks maybe, like I posted the other day SJ now saying the booster will prevent symptomatic infection.
I don't come on here to preach, insult or be insulted. It's a forum for discussion and if you're not open minded enough to discuss it without dropping the ‘scaredy-cat' bomb you should go on Twitter or Facebook
In reply to Post #233
They said more along the lines of the government pushing people towards having the vaccines and lying to the public to suit their agenda.They even said they would take me to the covid wards to show how full it really was,I know the wards in our local hospital have been extremely busy at times.They went onto say,if you look at when certain age groups are due a vaccine the press start to print stories of the hospitals getting full of that age group.Is that just a coincidence,maybe it is maybe its not.I see the first uk person has just died of omicron,covid passport now you have to have had the booster to get it.Is that not them telling us what we have to do and controlling what we do
They said more along the lines of the government pushing people towards having the vaccines and lying to the public to suit their agenda.They even said they would take me to the covid wards to show how full it really was,I know the wards in our local hospital have been extremely busy at times.They went onto say,if you look at when certain age groups are due a vaccine the press start to print stories of the hospitals getting full of that age group.Is that just a coincidence,maybe it is maybe its not.I see the first uk person has just died of omicron,covid passport now you have to have had the booster to get it.Is that not them telling us what we have to do and controlling what we do
In reply to Post #234
That's one thing I have noticed from DJ blinded by the science I like followers.......insulting insults to try and make a point......perhaps scientists should look into this as a side affect of the vaccine.......
Tony, surprisingly there is no details about this first victim and as sad as it is I bet there over 80, had 3 jabs with an underlying health condition and a Covid passport in there pocket........
Media outlets will tell us tomorrow it was a 20 something, unvaccinated refusenik terrorist who wished they had had there 3rd shot just days before.......
That's one thing I have noticed from DJ blinded by the science I like followers.......insulting insults to try and make a point......perhaps scientists should look into this as a side affect of the vaccine.......
Tony, surprisingly there is no details about this first victim and as sad as it is I bet there over 80, had 3 jabs with an underlying health condition and a Covid passport in there pocket........
Media outlets will tell us tomorrow it was a 20 something, unvaccinated refusenik terrorist who wished they had had there 3rd shot just days before.......
If we can at least learn something from the last two years guys let it be this........every time people start calling one another names the thread gets locked.
In reply to Post #236
Like I have told my family for months and months.It is not a case of IF you will catch covid its a case of WHEN you will catch it.Its then potluck on how bad it affects you
Like I have told my family for months and months.It is not a case of IF you will catch covid its a case of WHEN you will catch it.Its then potluck on how bad it affects you
In reply to Post #239
Anti democratic state actors would be remiss not to sow fear, division and lies in opposite ideologies. It's their job, so you expect it.
The ones who don't fall into that category, but do the same are just useful idiots and there's plenty of those about it appears.
Anti democratic state actors would be remiss not to sow fear, division and lies in opposite ideologies. It's their job, so you expect it.
The ones who don't fall into that category, but do the same are just useful idiots and there's plenty of those about it appears.
In reply to Post #237
Yep
Or if I start with my 'left wing virtue signalling ******** ' (I think that was the phrase.. )
No need to get mean with each other so long as it stays sensible in terms of comments. We can think each other stupid but maybe don't need to say it.
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Unless it's Wayne of course
Yep
Or if I start with my 'left wing virtue signalling ******** ' (I think that was the phrase.. )
No need to get mean with each other so long as it stays sensible in terms of comments. We can think each other stupid but maybe don't need to say it.
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Unless it's Wayne of course
In reply to Post #241
It's a Natural form of defence when people know their wrong mal........
It's a Natural form of defence when people know their wrong mal........
In reply to Post #242
Ah... that'll be why I never do it then eh?
Ah... that'll be why I never do it then eh?
In reply to Post #246
I'm flattered that at one point you didn't think I was a ****
I've never discouraged anyone having the vaccine, I'm happy with my parents and partner being vaccinated and I've encouraged my missus to have a booster.
For reasons given I'm hesitant, as I've also said I'm not anti vaccine but I'm not convinced by what's on offer right now for me or my sons.. again, for reasons given.
I am a complete hypocrite because I smoke so I'll die of respiratory failure or a stroke at some point.
If you look back I challenged you when you said previous viral infections don't build immunity, the science you follow suggests otherwise.
My latest point is that omicron was spread globally by travellers who were either vaccinated or tested negative. Now the few hospitalisations in the uk with it are mostly double jabbed.. is that not papering over the cracks, giving a false sense of security and leading to ‘protected' individuals becoming ill?
I've not been to a pub, nightclub, restaurant, foreign country, sporting event, festival, used public transport etc. since before the pandemic. So technically I'm far less likely to have infected or to go on and infect other people than vaccinated travellers, diners and revellers.
If 80% of people over 12 are vaccinated but there's a million infections a day or whatever they're threatening on the horizon, those previous shots could be considered a waste of time in younger healthier people; especially the AZ vaccine which has gone from hero to zero and back again several times. I'm not sure how the relatives of people genuinely lost to vaccine complications or (hoping she's recovered) people like duggs' missus at risk of a hysterectomy to combat side effects, will be feeling about the whole saga?
I'm flattered that at one point you didn't think I was a ****
I've never discouraged anyone having the vaccine, I'm happy with my parents and partner being vaccinated and I've encouraged my missus to have a booster.
For reasons given I'm hesitant, as I've also said I'm not anti vaccine but I'm not convinced by what's on offer right now for me or my sons.. again, for reasons given.
I am a complete hypocrite because I smoke so I'll die of respiratory failure or a stroke at some point.
If you look back I challenged you when you said previous viral infections don't build immunity, the science you follow suggests otherwise.
My latest point is that omicron was spread globally by travellers who were either vaccinated or tested negative. Now the few hospitalisations in the uk with it are mostly double jabbed.. is that not papering over the cracks, giving a false sense of security and leading to ‘protected' individuals becoming ill?
I've not been to a pub, nightclub, restaurant, foreign country, sporting event, festival, used public transport etc. since before the pandemic. So technically I'm far less likely to have infected or to go on and infect other people than vaccinated travellers, diners and revellers.
If 80% of people over 12 are vaccinated but there's a million infections a day or whatever they're threatening on the horizon, those previous shots could be considered a waste of time in younger healthier people; especially the AZ vaccine which has gone from hero to zero and back again several times. I'm not sure how the relatives of people genuinely lost to vaccine complications or (hoping she's recovered) people like duggs' missus at risk of a hysterectomy to combat side effects, will be feeling about the whole saga?
In reply to Post #248
Jamie, Have you been on a zoom meeting with Mark by any chance.......
Ref the vaccine SA you have posted.......so if like me you have had Covid, should i be pushed for a vaccine or is my natural immunity ok for me now to mix with artificially infected people??
And I like your psycho evaluation of me but **** me I ain't like trigger one bit......
Jamie, Have you been on a zoom meeting with Mark by any chance.......
Ref the vaccine SA you have posted.......so if like me you have had Covid, should i be pushed for a vaccine or is my natural immunity ok for me now to mix with artificially infected people??
And I like your psycho evaluation of me but **** me I ain't like trigger one bit......
In reply to Post #249
It finally settled
Just to put you all off your cornflakes, it started after the 1st dose, heavier than normal monthlies, after the second dose she bled constantly for 6 weeks often going through 2 boxes of tampons a day and losing loads of blood, to the point she had to get topped up twice
It could be cancer
It could be a virus
It could be the vaccine
Oh no it can't be that
It's definitely not that
There have been no reports of that
Oh yeah it was that, but it's your fault for having the astra jab, you should have known better
Although I'm jabbed I support anyone who has weighed up the risks and decided not to have one yet, no matter how many epidemiology research experts from the university of Google throw their cherry picked stats out there.
Ffs as a tradesman in London, in and out of people's houses, working up close and personal with tons of other trades on a daily basis, to have not had it yet you would have to assume you have a natural immunity(resistance may be a better word) to the virus by now. I dunno about you but I've lost count of the amount of times I've been told someone has tested positive shortly after I've been in close contact
It finally settled
Just to put you all off your cornflakes, it started after the 1st dose, heavier than normal monthlies, after the second dose she bled constantly for 6 weeks often going through 2 boxes of tampons a day and losing loads of blood, to the point she had to get topped up twice
It could be cancer
It could be a virus
It could be the vaccine
Oh no it can't be that
It's definitely not that
There have been no reports of that
Oh yeah it was that, but it's your fault for having the astra jab, you should have known better
Although I'm jabbed I support anyone who has weighed up the risks and decided not to have one yet, no matter how many epidemiology research experts from the university of Google throw their cherry picked stats out there.
Ffs as a tradesman in London, in and out of people's houses, working up close and personal with tons of other trades on a daily basis, to have not had it yet you would have to assume you have a natural immunity(resistance may be a better word) to the virus by now. I dunno about you but I've lost count of the amount of times I've been told someone has tested positive shortly after I've been in close contact
In reply to Post #251
So glad it's settled now mate
Some of the portaloos I've used I reckon I'm impervious to everything except nuclear attack
So glad it's settled now mate
Some of the portaloos I've used I reckon I'm impervious to everything except nuclear attack
In reply to Post #251
Wow.......is she better now Duggs?
Wow.......is she better now Duggs?
In reply to Post #253
All good now, I vaguely remember nine0six giving a figure of 12 weeks beyond which there are no side affects, was about right in her case.
Josh's mum was the other horror story on here, I'm hoping josh will say she's fully recovered too
All good now, I vaguely remember nine0six giving a figure of 12 weeks beyond which there are no side affects, was about right in her case.
Josh's mum was the other horror story on here, I'm hoping josh will say she's fully recovered too
In reply to Post #254
That's good news.
I have noticed their is a lot of talk regarding aspiration when giving injections - the technique of once the needle is in the arm muscle pulling the plunger back to check their is no blood as it seems that their are increased risks injecting into the blood stream when their is no aspiration like thrombosis, Myocarditis or pericarditis and other cited side effects.
Many countries do this, China, Taiwan, Korea, Denmark and some other countries in Europe
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20211013001001
This Dr John Campbell as mentioned by a previous poster put an interesting video on YouTube you do wonder why all countries are not following this.
https://youtu.be/KgVsd6qoyU4
Worth a watch.
That's good news.
I have noticed their is a lot of talk regarding aspiration when giving injections - the technique of once the needle is in the arm muscle pulling the plunger back to check their is no blood as it seems that their are increased risks injecting into the blood stream when their is no aspiration like thrombosis, Myocarditis or pericarditis and other cited side effects.
Many countries do this, China, Taiwan, Korea, Denmark and some other countries in Europe
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20211013001001
This Dr John Campbell as mentioned by a previous poster put an interesting video on YouTube you do wonder why all countries are not following this.
https://youtu.be/KgVsd6qoyU4
Worth a watch.
In reply to Post #250
Quote... Jamie, Have you been on a zoom meeting with Mark by any chance.
I wish I had the time for zoom calls Waynetta. This has been my world since 6am, and it's a never ending world of doom. I'm having a break now... And I'm kind enough to care just a smidgen, about a couple of uneducated lives on some forum. 😂
Quote... Jamie, Have you been on a zoom meeting with Mark by any chance.
I wish I had the time for zoom calls Waynetta. This has been my world since 6am, and it's a never ending world of doom. I'm having a break now... And I'm kind enough to care just a smidgen, about a couple of uneducated lives on some forum. 😂
In reply to Post #256
Don't know how you do it Mark, would drive me nuts going to the postie every day with that lot........bet the people in a queue behind you curse like ****....... 
Don't know how you do it Mark, would drive me nuts going to the postie every day with that lot........bet the people in a queue behind you curse like ****.......
Quote... the reason that omicron is dangerous is that it is currently being measured at 4 times as infectious as delta. this means that it will spread really really quickly.
for every person that has delta, after it has been passed on 4 times, 4 people will be infected. 5 times, 5 people.
for every person that has omicron, after it has passed on 4 times, 64 people will be infected. 5 times 256 people.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So much written on this thread and forum from those who lap up all things wonky, that the new variant is NOTHING whatsoever to worry about. It's very weak.... Just like the same people at the start were all crying... It ONLY affects the old.
Read that above again. Then read it again and let it sink in for a moment. Look at the infection difference between Delta and Omicron.
That is what we are now on the edge of. No amount of glossing over to support your point of view is seriously credible anymore.
For so long I've listened to you lot gesture and talk ********. On one hand I have my only child and my daughter in law too telling me exactly what is going on regarding Covid. On the other hand, I have you lot disagreeing with every single thing that they are saying. Simply because it does not add up to your opinions. You are very very wrong Wayne & Noj. You both have children. For the sake of your children it would be great if you'd both reconsider. Hospitals, like in that Guardian story from two weeks ago are filling up with unvaccinated, perfectly healthy adults. It's no coincidence everyone who did not get a vaccine have very recently had Covid. I hope for your families sakes you start to open your eyes and see more clearly.
I will bet you big money that the information in Jamies post comes from his missus. All the information I've always given you has come directly from my son. Not from the news, or the internet. Directly from someone who would know far better than any of us what's actually going on.
You choose to constantly dismiss this information, given to you in good will. Only because it does not match up to your opinions on the Covid vaccine. You both do exactly the same thing, you gloss over it, and laugh it off with a joke.
I hope you both tell NO ONE on this forum... But go get the vaccines for your children's sakes.
for every person that has delta, after it has been passed on 4 times, 4 people will be infected. 5 times, 5 people.
for every person that has omicron, after it has passed on 4 times, 64 people will be infected. 5 times 256 people.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So much written on this thread and forum from those who lap up all things wonky, that the new variant is NOTHING whatsoever to worry about. It's very weak.... Just like the same people at the start were all crying... It ONLY affects the old.
Read that above again. Then read it again and let it sink in for a moment. Look at the infection difference between Delta and Omicron.
That is what we are now on the edge of. No amount of glossing over to support your point of view is seriously credible anymore.
For so long I've listened to you lot gesture and talk ********. On one hand I have my only child and my daughter in law too telling me exactly what is going on regarding Covid. On the other hand, I have you lot disagreeing with every single thing that they are saying. Simply because it does not add up to your opinions. You are very very wrong Wayne & Noj. You both have children. For the sake of your children it would be great if you'd both reconsider. Hospitals, like in that Guardian story from two weeks ago are filling up with unvaccinated, perfectly healthy adults. It's no coincidence everyone who did not get a vaccine have very recently had Covid. I hope for your families sakes you start to open your eyes and see more clearly.
I will bet you big money that the information in Jamies post comes from his missus. All the information I've always given you has come directly from my son. Not from the news, or the internet. Directly from someone who would know far better than any of us what's actually going on.
You choose to constantly dismiss this information, given to you in good will. Only because it does not match up to your opinions on the Covid vaccine. You both do exactly the same thing, you gloss over it, and laugh it off with a joke.
I hope you both tell NO ONE on this forum... But go get the vaccines for your children's sakes.
In reply to Post #257
Are you mad mate? Royal Mail pick it all up from us.... Standing in the ****ing post office everyday with sack fulls... I'd never get any work done whatsoever, I'd spend my entire life in a queue being beaten by old ladies getting their pensions... All whilst catching Covid over and over again.
I used to have an arrangement where I would drop it off and run... But these days it all gets collected. It's far easier.
That's only about one third of what has to go today.
Are you mad mate? Royal Mail pick it all up from us.... Standing in the ****ing post office everyday with sack fulls... I'd never get any work done whatsoever, I'd spend my entire life in a queue being beaten by old ladies getting their pensions... All whilst catching Covid over and over again.
I used to have an arrangement where I would drop it off and run... But these days it all gets collected. It's far easier.
That's only about one third of what has to go today.
In reply to Post #251
That is great news Duggs.
That is great news Duggs.
In reply to Post #258
My best mates son had the vaccine two weeks ago and caught covid last week he's 13.My mate and his wife have now got it and they are both vaccinated so is that the vaccine working.My wife has just had the booster and was really ill,she is saying she probably won't have another one now
My best mates son had the vaccine two weeks ago and caught covid last week he's 13.My mate and his wife have now got it and they are both vaccinated so is that the vaccine working.My wife has just had the booster and was really ill,she is saying she probably won't have another one now
In reply to Post #259
RM collection.......result and stops abuse from little old ladies!
Here is one thing I'm currently trying to get my head round......
The Government is telling the unvaccinated to get vaccinated because it works. At the same time their telling the double vaccinated to get a booster because the 2 jabs they have already had doesn't work! Now on top of that their telling everyone the unvaccinated are putting the vaccinated at more risk of getting Covid by not being vaccinated at the same time as saying the double vaccinated jab hasn't worked??????
It's bloody confusing.....
RM collection.......result and stops abuse from little old ladies!
Here is one thing I'm currently trying to get my head round......
The Government is telling the unvaccinated to get vaccinated because it works. At the same time their telling the double vaccinated to get a booster because the 2 jabs they have already had doesn't work! Now on top of that their telling everyone the unvaccinated are putting the vaccinated at more risk of getting Covid by not being vaccinated at the same time as saying the double vaccinated jab hasn't worked??????
It's bloody confusing.....
In reply to Post #261
The same happened to my nephew. He caught Covid days after having the first vaccine. It takes two-three weeks for the vaccine to work properly Tony. Check it out for yourself. Plus there is a new variant that has mutated around the vaccines.
If you give millions and millions of people a new vaccine... There will be some side effects for some people. If we gave 50 million people Ibuprofen tomorrow en masse... There would be far far more side effects than those for the vaccine.
Would your missus also stop taking a simple pill for a headache? I doubt it.
Side effects, are not the same as dying Tony. Dying is permanent.
You sound like you have had enough of it all very much. It's the same for all of us mate. No one enjoys what is happening right now. My son asked me to bring his nan up to see him for Xmas. Because of Covid, she has not seen his new family home. When I told him it was a long old car ride for a 70yo, three hours each way... He insisted I bring her. Quite strongly too. I'm under no illusion that is because he fears he may never see his nan again if I do not take her.
That's coming someone working on the front line dealing with the virus. That's my mother he thinks could soon become a number in all of this.
The same happened to my nephew. He caught Covid days after having the first vaccine. It takes two-three weeks for the vaccine to work properly Tony. Check it out for yourself. Plus there is a new variant that has mutated around the vaccines.
If you give millions and millions of people a new vaccine... There will be some side effects for some people. If we gave 50 million people Ibuprofen tomorrow en masse... There would be far far more side effects than those for the vaccine.
Would your missus also stop taking a simple pill for a headache? I doubt it.
Side effects, are not the same as dying Tony. Dying is permanent.
You sound like you have had enough of it all very much. It's the same for all of us mate. No one enjoys what is happening right now. My son asked me to bring his nan up to see him for Xmas. Because of Covid, she has not seen his new family home. When I told him it was a long old car ride for a 70yo, three hours each way... He insisted I bring her. Quite strongly too. I'm under no illusion that is because he fears he may never see his nan again if I do not take her.
That's coming someone working on the front line dealing with the virus. That's my mother he thinks could soon become a number in all of this.
In reply to Post #261
Had both jabs and then got covid. Had the booster 4 weeks ago and for the first 3 weeks knocked the 5h1t out of me to the extent that I've never felt this unwell in my life. Into the fourth week and whilst I'm a little better I'm still bringing tons of rubbish up and have days where I'm aching all over. Because I rarely get colds ‘rarely ever take any meds as I let my immune system do it's work however long it takes' I'm convinced these jabs have fcuked my immune system up.
Had both jabs and then got covid. Had the booster 4 weeks ago and for the first 3 weeks knocked the 5h1t out of me to the extent that I've never felt this unwell in my life. Into the fourth week and whilst I'm a little better I'm still bringing tons of rubbish up and have days where I'm aching all over. Because I rarely get colds ‘rarely ever take any meds as I let my immune system do it's work however long it takes' I'm convinced these jabs have fcuked my immune system up.
In reply to Post #262
There is a new variant Wayne that has mutated around the vaccine protection and your natural antibodies.
You and Noj are both big on your natural immunity from catching Delta. Well with Omicron now you have zero.
It's the same for the vaccines. No different.
There is a new variant Wayne that has mutated around the vaccine protection and your natural antibodies.
You and Noj are both big on your natural immunity from catching Delta. Well with Omicron now you have zero.
It's the same for the vaccines. No different.
In reply to Post #265
Good job it's less severe and catching this variant will be a further boost to the natural antibodies in me, unless of course I have just had Omi as one thing I noticed was how bloody tired I was last week??
Good job it's less severe and catching this variant will be a further boost to the natural antibodies in me, unless of course I have just had Omi as one thing I noticed was how bloody tired I was last week??
In reply to Post #266
I think what the scientists are worried about is these mutations have been occurring in unvaccinated people.
There are still millions unvaccinated and particularly in the poorer nations.
Delta for example spread really quickly as was more transmissible not sure if it was any worse that the previous ?
Now we have this new variant which is even more transmissible so likely to dominate so it has the opportunity to infect more and perhaps next time mutate into something far far worse.
I think what the scientists are worried about is these mutations have been occurring in unvaccinated people.
There are still millions unvaccinated and particularly in the poorer nations.
Delta for example spread really quickly as was more transmissible not sure if it was any worse that the previous ?
Now we have this new variant which is even more transmissible so likely to dominate so it has the opportunity to infect more and perhaps next time mutate into something far far worse.
In reply to Post #267
SA confirmed the mutation occurred in a vaccinated person. I have read from various sources Most of the UK cases are vaccinated too which would make sense as there is far more people vaccinated than unvaccinated.
SA confirmed the mutation occurred in a vaccinated person. I have read from various sources Most of the UK cases are vaccinated too which would make sense as there is far more people vaccinated than unvaccinated.
In reply to Post #265
South Africa have had it longer than us and their scientists are reporting totally different findings than our scientists.Who is wrong,who is right is it scare tactics by our government,I didn't spend last Christmas with my 81year old mum because of covid then find out Boris and his idiots were loving life having a Christmas party.Well this year I'm seeing my mum at Christmas no matter what I'm told,the government can go get ****ed because I'm sick of listening to lies and bull****
South Africa have had it longer than us and their scientists are reporting totally different findings than our scientists.Who is wrong,who is right is it scare tactics by our government,I didn't spend last Christmas with my 81year old mum because of covid then find out Boris and his idiots were loving life having a Christmas party.Well this year I'm seeing my mum at Christmas no matter what I'm told,the government can go get ****ed because I'm sick of listening to lies and bull****
Wait until you're paying for 3 or 4 jabs a year just to resemble having anything like an immune system.
In reply to Post #269
Spot on and time to crack on in life.
Spot on and time to crack on in life.
In reply to Post #268
I can see stuff on the web saying he was and other reports saying he wasn't but we do know that covid did mutate before we started vaccinating.
I can see stuff on the web saying he was and other reports saying he wasn't but we do know that covid did mutate before we started vaccinating.
In reply to Post #270
That said I have the flu vaccine every year haven't yet turned into a zombie 🧟♂️ 😀
That said I have the flu vaccine every year haven't yet turned into a zombie 🧟♂️ 😀
In reply to Post #269
Average age in SA is 27yrs old, in the UK it is 40. That might account for different outcomes.
Average age in SA is 27yrs old, in the UK it is 40. That might account for different outcomes.
I just got pinged by test and trace, I'm guessing for the locator form I had to fill in to renter the UK. Someone on one of my flights has clearly tested positive for Covid-19.
Thought I had to self isolate until Xmas day briefly!
I'm exempt I just found out though, I'm double jabbed, and have a negative PCR test result from a couple of days ago. I just had to order a load of tests to test myself daily. As long as I'm returning negative results I'm exempt from isolation as I understand it.
Thought I had to self isolate until Xmas day briefly!
I'm exempt I just found out though, I'm double jabbed, and have a negative PCR test result from a couple of days ago. I just had to order a load of tests to test myself daily. As long as I'm returning negative results I'm exempt from isolation as I understand it.
In reply to Post #275
Symptoms can take 4-8 days and for it to show positive on a test.You very may well have it and how many people will you see in that time thinking you are negative
Symptoms can take 4-8 days and for it to show positive on a test.You very may well have it and how many people will you see in that time thinking you are negative
In reply to Post #269
As we all know their will be a public enquiry held over the governments poor response after the first wave I guess some backside covering is playing into things here.
As we all know their will be a public enquiry held over the governments poor response after the first wave I guess some backside covering is playing into things here.
In reply to Post #267
So the virus is mutating to avoid vaccines without having encountered the vaccine?
So the virus is mutating to avoid vaccines without having encountered the vaccine?
In reply to Post #276
I already took measures to make sure that I see no one whatsoever Tony as soon as I found out... Just in case.
Why would I not? I work from home anyway, so it's pretty simple for me to get myself out of the way. Our work for Xmas is virtually done anyway now.
I had a very reassuring talk with my daughter in law (paramedic). She assured me that with an FFP3 mask on for both of my flights... I will not have it anyway. She gets constantly pinged and is constantly tested. FFP3 masks means she's never had it. So one encounter whilst masked up properly, I should be fine.
I hope she is right.
I already took measures to make sure that I see no one whatsoever Tony as soon as I found out... Just in case.
Why would I not? I work from home anyway, so it's pretty simple for me to get myself out of the way. Our work for Xmas is virtually done anyway now.
I had a very reassuring talk with my daughter in law (paramedic). She assured me that with an FFP3 mask on for both of my flights... I will not have it anyway. She gets constantly pinged and is constantly tested. FFP3 masks means she's never had it. So one encounter whilst masked up properly, I should be fine.
I hope she is right.
In reply to Post #279
If you catch it Mark and it's a big IF wearing those masks I'm sure you will be fine........
If you catch it Mark and it's a big IF wearing those masks I'm sure you will be fine........
In reply to Post #278
The virus isn't sentient. It's not doing anything on purpose. It mutates in a random manner. Some of these mutations have no doubt been stopped in their tracks by the vaccine, not so for Omicron. Fortunately it doesn't seem to be more deadly than anything we've seen before, but that's just down to luck. Eventually the form which survives the best and becomes endemic will be less serious and unlikely to kill many hosts, but there's nothing to say that in the meantime another variant could come along which is as transmissible as omicron and more deadly that anything we've seen before.
The more unvaccinated people in the world, the more chance of mutations and new variants, it doesn't matter whether they are unvaccinated because they refuse or because they're simply unlucky enough to be born in poor places.
The richer countries would probably be better off devoting their energies to sending vaccines to developing countries rather than wasting their time trying to change the minds of those who will never be convinced at home.
The virus isn't sentient. It's not doing anything on purpose. It mutates in a random manner. Some of these mutations have no doubt been stopped in their tracks by the vaccine, not so for Omicron. Fortunately it doesn't seem to be more deadly than anything we've seen before, but that's just down to luck. Eventually the form which survives the best and becomes endemic will be less serious and unlikely to kill many hosts, but there's nothing to say that in the meantime another variant could come along which is as transmissible as omicron and more deadly that anything we've seen before.
The more unvaccinated people in the world, the more chance of mutations and new variants, it doesn't matter whether they are unvaccinated because they refuse or because they're simply unlucky enough to be born in poor places.
The richer countries would probably be better off devoting their energies to sending vaccines to developing countries rather than wasting their time trying to change the minds of those who will never be convinced at home.
In reply to Post #281
A good read
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-omicron-variant-got-so-many-scary-mutations-so-quickly/
A good read
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-omicron-variant-got-so-many-scary-mutations-so-quickly/
In reply to Post #265
Interesting discussion on here tbh, and agree with parts of both sides. For me the idea of mandatory vaccines to impact normal life is repulsive, though I could at least understand why if the vaccines produced sterilizing immunity (IE prevent transmission).
Fantastic though they appear to be (and the obvious potential benefits of how quickly mRNA technology can be used in the case of a new pathogen), given there is no long term safety data on these injections (and there cannot be given they have never been inside a human body before October 2019) and we have what looks to be an even better (based on comparing the initial stages of testing against Pf/AZ/M - and made in the UK if thats important) tradition vaccine that the government cancelled their contract for that. i think that would have encouraged a number of people who are hesitant of the newer vaccines (a view point that personally I think is fair enough).
One thing here though Mark is that as i understand it, the current mRNA (or adenovirus vector in the case of AZ) only instruct your body to create the spike protein. Although this is the major antigen expressed by cells infected by Cov19 (and indeed is key in the infection process so a good one to choose), there are 9 expressed antigens (off the top of my head, maybe +/- 1 or 2 either way).
If the Omnicom variant has significant changes to the spike protein as believed, then immunity from natural will be better than vaccinated (in this case) as all of the 9 antigens will likely be recognised by the immune system.
We know that historically natural immunity from exposure is stronger and longer lasting than artificially acquired immunity - indeed a recent study Stanford in the US suggests up to 27 times in the case of Cov19.
My issue is why natural immunity isnt given as much credit as immunity acquired from a 1/2/3 does of a vaccine that only expresses 1 out of 9 (or so) antigens (albeit the largest of them).
On a hopefully brighter note, respiratory virus' (including the multitude of endemic Coronovirus' that cause 30/40% of the common colds each winter) have evolved to become more transmissible and less lethal, thats how they survive.
Hopefully this is indeed the case with the current variant de jour (and seems to have been borne out with previous variants following this pattern).
I do think it is good to discuss these things so be interested in anyone's thoughts.
Interesting discussion on here tbh, and agree with parts of both sides. For me the idea of mandatory vaccines to impact normal life is repulsive, though I could at least understand why if the vaccines produced sterilizing immunity (IE prevent transmission).
Fantastic though they appear to be (and the obvious potential benefits of how quickly mRNA technology can be used in the case of a new pathogen), given there is no long term safety data on these injections (and there cannot be given they have never been inside a human body before October 2019) and we have what looks to be an even better (based on comparing the initial stages of testing against Pf/AZ/M - and made in the UK if thats important) tradition vaccine that the government cancelled their contract for that. i think that would have encouraged a number of people who are hesitant of the newer vaccines (a view point that personally I think is fair enough).
One thing here though Mark is that as i understand it, the current mRNA (or adenovirus vector in the case of AZ) only instruct your body to create the spike protein. Although this is the major antigen expressed by cells infected by Cov19 (and indeed is key in the infection process so a good one to choose), there are 9 expressed antigens (off the top of my head, maybe +/- 1 or 2 either way).
If the Omnicom variant has significant changes to the spike protein as believed, then immunity from natural will be better than vaccinated (in this case) as all of the 9 antigens will likely be recognised by the immune system.
We know that historically natural immunity from exposure is stronger and longer lasting than artificially acquired immunity - indeed a recent study Stanford in the US suggests up to 27 times in the case of Cov19.
My issue is why natural immunity isnt given as much credit as immunity acquired from a 1/2/3 does of a vaccine that only expresses 1 out of 9 (or so) antigens (albeit the largest of them).
On a hopefully brighter note, respiratory virus' (including the multitude of endemic Coronovirus' that cause 30/40% of the common colds each winter) have evolved to become more transmissible and less lethal, thats how they survive.
Hopefully this is indeed the case with the current variant de jour (and seems to have been borne out with previous variants following this pattern).
I do think it is good to discuss these things so be interested in anyone's thoughts.
In reply to Post #281
Jon, it's already proven that mutations occur in vaccinated too. I agree that poorer countries should be given the vaccine for them to give out to who wants it.
I think a better approach to unvaccinated people is antibody tests rather than Covid passports which are proven to be ineffective. At least the Government would have a far clearer picture to work with going forward!
Great post Tim......
Jon, it's already proven that mutations occur in vaccinated too. I agree that poorer countries should be given the vaccine for them to give out to who wants it.
I think a better approach to unvaccinated people is antibody tests rather than Covid passports which are proven to be ineffective. At least the Government would have a far clearer picture to work with going forward!
Great post Tim......
In reply to Post #284
I know, but there are fewer.
It's reasonable to ask whether we'd be in a better position if everyone were vaccinated compared with no one, and then apply that to your own decision making. I view it as 'doing your bit', nothing more.
Getting vaccinated if you're not in a vulnerable group is a bit like like paying tax - few do it with great enthusiasm, but most understand we'd all be worse off if no one did it.
I know, but there are fewer.
It's reasonable to ask whether we'd be in a better position if everyone were vaccinated compared with no one, and then apply that to your own decision making. I view it as 'doing your bit', nothing more.
Getting vaccinated if you're not in a vulnerable group is a bit like like paying tax - few do it with great enthusiasm, but most understand we'd all be worse off if no one did it.
In reply to Post #284
When the virus replicates, there are slight genetic changes or errors, this happens when it passes from one person to the next. So the changes occur when the virus spreads. The vaccines REDUCE the ability of the virus to transmit from one person to the next (by up to about 70%) so therefore vaccines REDUCE the chance of the virus mutating.
In life, we make decisions every day that reduce risks, we don't only take action when the outome is 100% guaranteed to remove the risk. Or at least sensible people don't.
When the virus replicates, there are slight genetic changes or errors, this happens when it passes from one person to the next. So the changes occur when the virus spreads. The vaccines REDUCE the ability of the virus to transmit from one person to the next (by up to about 70%) so therefore vaccines REDUCE the chance of the virus mutating.
In life, we make decisions every day that reduce risks, we don't only take action when the outome is 100% guaranteed to remove the risk. Or at least sensible people don't.
Guys, Any thoughts on Tim's post!
In reply to Post #287
It's rubbish, you shouldn't be allowed to take a balanced stance in these threads, they should only be about polarised views and name calling
C***s
It's rubbish, you shouldn't be allowed to take a balanced stance in these threads, they should only be about polarised views and name calling
C***s
In reply to Post #288
In reply to Post #287
Yes at the end of the day none of us are scientists / really qualified to make a valid input and really haven't got a scooby lol.
And when we read something we just grasp on to it because it sort of makes sense and throw it out there.
Agreed the name calling sucks duggs
Yes at the end of the day none of us are scientists / really qualified to make a valid input and really haven't got a scooby lol.
And when we read something we just grasp on to it because it sort of makes sense and throw it out there.
Agreed the name calling sucks duggs
Had to explain the subtlety of the 'r' number today to some students.
Simply getting them to realise that each person passing on to 4 others means a growth rate that becomes unmanageable very quickly
Simply getting them to realise that each person passing on to 4 others means a growth rate that becomes unmanageable very quickly
In reply to Post #287
Yes, I did read an expert state that natural immunity is better, such as with the great barrington declaration. But the problem is that a chunk of the population can't survive to achieve natural immunity.
Personally, regarding vaccinations, I am prepared to take the risk for the benefit of others as well as myself.
I believe there's 5 million people in the UK who have declined the offer of a vaccine. If that figure was lower, we would have less people dead, less people in hospital taking up resource, less restrictions, less impact on the treatment of other medical issues, less impact on the economy and less arguments on forums.
Yes, I did read an expert state that natural immunity is better, such as with the great barrington declaration. But the problem is that a chunk of the population can't survive to achieve natural immunity.
Personally, regarding vaccinations, I am prepared to take the risk for the benefit of others as well as myself.
I believe there's 5 million people in the UK who have declined the offer of a vaccine. If that figure was lower, we would have less people dead, less people in hospital taking up resource, less restrictions, less impact on the treatment of other medical issues, less impact on the economy and less arguments on forums.
In reply to Post #291
Mal - when I was in primary school, we had a science teacher who got us to make a chess board, put 1 grain of rice on the first square, then on subsequent squares, double the previous number and so on....
I still remember that example today.
Mal - when I was in primary school, we had a science teacher who got us to make a chess board, put 1 grain of rice on the first square, then on subsequent squares, double the previous number and so on....
I still remember that example today.
In reply to Post #291
If I had you as a teacher,I wouldn't have listened either
If I had you as a teacher,I wouldn't have listened either
In reply to Post #290
On the contrary, the name calling is about the only constructive thing in these threads, allowing someone to vent a bit of the pressure this crap has put on all of us
They haven't offered much else
On the contrary, the name calling is about the only constructive thing in these threads, allowing someone to vent a bit of the pressure this crap has put on all of us
They haven't offered much else
In reply to Post #295
I agree with Jon that Name calling is best placed on FB or Twitter.......you can really let go with the C and F bombs to argue your point.......
I agree with Jon that Name calling is best placed on FB or Twitter.......you can really let go with the C and F bombs to argue your point.......
In reply to Post #296
But finding new imaginative ways to call someone a c*** is part of the cathartic process
But finding new imaginative ways to call someone a c*** is part of the cathartic process
In reply to Post #287
Tims post seems to make sense if you can survive a bout of covid without any long term problems. Unfortunately you seemed to have disproved that theory. How many times now Wayne 2 or 3?😀
Tims post seems to make sense if you can survive a bout of covid without any long term problems. Unfortunately you seemed to have disproved that theory. How many times now Wayne 2 or 3?😀
In reply to Post #281
No the virus isn't sentient, Jon. But it is a living virus programmed to reproduce by any means necessary.
I'm questioning things, that is science. If even top doctors and scientists don't really understand covid, then with all due respect I switch off when people dictate rather than discuss. I thought this was a forum, not the vaccine appreciation society. That's not aimed at you, it's a generalisation about the thread.
Interestingly my cold that made my taste disappear has gone but I now have a stinker making me sneeze and get snotty. I'm doing a Wayne
They're not testing little kids at my sons school and allowing 70% in with snotty noses.
I don't test so I couldn't say either way. But I've been looking for Bill at the Gates
No the virus isn't sentient, Jon. But it is a living virus programmed to reproduce by any means necessary.
I'm questioning things, that is science. If even top doctors and scientists don't really understand covid, then with all due respect I switch off when people dictate rather than discuss. I thought this was a forum, not the vaccine appreciation society. That's not aimed at you, it's a generalisation about the thread.
Interestingly my cold that made my taste disappear has gone but I now have a stinker making me sneeze and get snotty. I'm doing a Wayne
They're not testing little kids at my sons school and allowing 70% in with snotty noses.
I don't test so I couldn't say either way. But I've been looking for Bill at the Gates
In reply to Post #293
I remember the same lesson.
I used a white board and successive groups of stick men in a very morbid family tree type affair ..
And braders, if I was your teacher you'd be in the corner with a hat with a big 'd' on it - which wouldn't stand for dunce...
I remember the same lesson.
I used a white board and successive groups of stick men in a very morbid family tree type affair ..
And braders, if I was your teacher you'd be in the corner with a hat with a big 'd' on it - which wouldn't stand for dunce...
In reply to Post #299
Noj I 100% get why you are not having the jab because of family medical history, but why wouldn't you do a test?
Correct me if I'm wrong but are you a tradesman going in and out of peoples houses everyday ?
Noj I 100% get why you are not having the jab because of family medical history, but why wouldn't you do a test?
Correct me if I'm wrong but are you a tradesman going in and out of peoples houses everyday ?
In reply to Post #300
Delightful
Delightful
In reply to Post #301
That's right. Same as I was when the country was locked down and there was no vaccine
I'm not testing or using the app because I can't afford any time off.
Again, family first
That's right. Same as I was when the country was locked down and there was no vaccine
I'm not testing or using the app because I can't afford any time off.
Again, family first
In reply to Post #303
So in theory you could have it, go to some old girls house, or not even someone old but someone who has cancer, immunosuppressed etc and unknowingly give it to them
I get the family first thinking but surely, if you did have it you could miss a weeks work. It's not like it will be every week. Chances are it would be one week and one week only ....ever, unless your Wayne and have it 3 times Sorry Wayne
So in theory you could have it, go to some old girls house, or not even someone old but someone who has cancer, immunosuppressed etc and unknowingly give it to them
I get the family first thinking but surely, if you did have it you could miss a weeks work. It's not like it will be every week. Chances are it would be one week and one week only ....ever, unless your Wayne and have it 3 times
Sorry Wayne
Twice people........Twice.......
In reply to Post #304
Sort of mate. I'm generally doing higher end joinery projects between a workshop and site. So I may see a housekeeper, nanny or interior designer but rarely any little old women
I do talk to a lot of people though including the owners and the general consensus is that people have had enough. These millionaires etc have been doing what the hell they want the whole time anyway..
And no I can't have a week off, I wish I could but there's no chance
Sort of mate. I'm generally doing higher end joinery projects between a workshop and site. So I may see a housekeeper, nanny or interior designer but rarely any little old women
I do talk to a lot of people though including the owners and the general consensus is that people have had enough. These millionaires etc have been doing what the hell they want the whole time anyway..
And no I can't have a week off, I wish I could but there's no chance
In reply to Post #306
Your financial need is far greater than the potential risk to others you pose entering their property.
Classy Noj, really classy
Your financial need is far greater than the potential risk to others you pose entering their property.
Classy Noj, really classy
In reply to Post #307
I don't consider myself any more of a risk than others are to me mate. I'm 100% open about my vaccine status with anybody who wants to know.
On the whole everybody I come into contact with through work is very blasé about covid and only limit their contact before a flight.
And yes, as heartless as it sounds my kids eating and not falling behind on the bills is my only priority. There was little concern for my welfare when others were paid to stay home and I had to work, I won't ever get the bitter taste of that and mortgage holidays out of my mouth.
I put my partner and kids at risk every day to make ends meet, often being forced to reduce prices while material costs escalated along with my other outgoings.
I'm up against it big time and really couldn't care less about anybody but the 3 people who depend on me
I don't consider myself any more of a risk than others are to me mate. I'm 100% open about my vaccine status with anybody who wants to know.
On the whole everybody I come into contact with through work is very blasé about covid and only limit their contact before a flight.
And yes, as heartless as it sounds my kids eating and not falling behind on the bills is my only priority. There was little concern for my welfare when others were paid to stay home and I had to work, I won't ever get the bitter taste of that and mortgage holidays out of my mouth.
I put my partner and kids at risk every day to make ends meet, often being forced to reduce prices while material costs escalated along with my other outgoings.
I'm up against it big time and really couldn't care less about anybody but the 3 people who depend on me
I've seen lots of infections over the past week or so, and another good indicator of level of infection is the premier league. Their behaviour and testing level has been quite consistent throughout so they are a good indicator. Infections are up massively there also.
If deaths stay low for the next couple of weeks I think this could be a real good sign of omicron being a milder disease.
Booked my booster for Saturday
If deaths stay low for the next couple of weeks I think this could be a real good sign of omicron being a milder disease.
Booked my booster for Saturday
In reply to Post #309
I was in a premier league player's house recently and the kids sounded like 40 a day smokers
I was in a premier league player's house recently and the kids sounded like 40 a day smokers
In reply to Post #309
I think the premier league players are lower percentage wise when it comes to vaccination figures. And a very high rate of infection over the last week or so...
Definitely an increase in positive tests at school but it also seems the students are less unwell generally speaking so the narrative about the new strain being more infectious but less severe rings true. Still very disruptive to learning though
Boris is dead in the water it seems. Who would have predicted that its labour that is making the decisions for the country under a tory pm eh? (throws grenade and waits for the bang...,)
I think the premier league players are lower percentage wise when it comes to vaccination figures. And a very high rate of infection over the last week or so...
Definitely an increase in positive tests at school but it also seems the students are less unwell generally speaking so the narrative about the new strain being more infectious but less severe rings true. Still very disruptive to learning though
Boris is dead in the water it seems. Who would have predicted that its labour that is making the decisions for the country under a tory pm eh?
(throws grenade and waits for the bang...,)
In reply to Post #309
The highest in the Premier league was a week in January at 40 positives with over 2000 tests taken.The positive results was beaten last week at 42 positive results but over 3000 tests were taken.Im sure if they had tested more in January it would have been higher than 42 but who knows
The highest in the Premier league was a week in January at 40 positives with over 2000 tests taken.The positive results was beaten last week at 42 positive results but over 3000 tests were taken.Im sure if they had tested more in January it would have been higher than 42 but who knows
In reply to Post #312
It's 'would have been ' ffs braders
Another reason why I should be your teacher...
It's 'would have been ' ffs braders
Another reason why I should be your teacher...
In reply to Post #313
Corrected just for you
Corrected just for you
In reply to Post #308
Out of interest Noj, your a joiner and from what you say working on high end homes/projects, how comes you carried on working. Really not digging you out just curious
On a side note I work in the city and just after the original lockdown we had an email from our CEO telling us we were key workers, what a load of bull****. We had to work the whole way though lockdown too
Out of interest Noj, your a joiner and from what you say working on high end homes/projects, how comes you carried on working. Really not digging you out just curious
On a side note I work in the city and just after the original lockdown we had an email from our CEO telling us we were key workers, what a load of bull****. We had to work the whole way though lockdown too
In reply to Post #315
I was doing site carpentry during lockdown. So considering my peers spend all day farting, burping and playing with their knobs I'm already adept at avoiding contaminated air and surfaces
I'm self employed, there was no guidance except we'll have our multiple layers of tax deductions from your earnings.
Maybe mal should show the kids with a chess board and rice how tax revenue is going to pay for the **** show we have seen?
I was doing site carpentry during lockdown. So considering my peers spend all day farting, burping and playing with their knobs I'm already adept at avoiding contaminated air and surfaces
I'm self employed, there was no guidance except we'll have our multiple layers of tax deductions from your earnings.
Maybe mal should show the kids with a chess board and rice how tax revenue is going to pay for the **** show we have seen?
I had to work all the way through lockdown too... No one gave me any money during this pandemic either & I did not claim a single penny Noj.
I am currently working seven days a week, 16 hours a day. Someone has to pay my bills so I can **** off to the sun again (and for those red Ralph shorts), and it's not the government.
Just done a lateral flow test (that I paid for)... Negative.
I am currently working seven days a week, 16 hours a day. Someone has to pay my bills so I can **** off to the sun again (and for those red Ralph shorts), and it's not the government.
Just done a lateral flow test (that I paid for)... Negative.
In reply to Post #316
Completely changing subject how busy are you at the moment?. I need 10 doors hanging before Christmas, should find out to day if my chippy can do it, if he cant would you be interested?
Completely changing subject how busy are you at the moment?. I need 10 doors hanging before Christmas, should find out to day if my chippy can do it, if he cant would you be interested?
In reply to Post #316
I think that one would just be tipping all the rice on the floor to make a big mess.... and then sweeping it under a carpet for someone else to deal with once I'm out of the place...
I think that one would just be tipping all the rice on the floor to make a big mess.... and then sweeping it under a carpet for someone else to deal with once I'm out of the place...
I realised earlier that I might not have even got pinged from my flight locator form... I also had my booster on Monday... I may have got pinged yesterday from that to be fair. I was logged into the NHS app to book in too so that's entirely possible.
On a brighter note my first two AZ vaccines mullered my arm and left me with other mild side effects. The Moderna booster I had on Monday has been sweet as a nut... No pain in my arm and zero side effects whatsoever.
Touch.
On a brighter note my first two AZ vaccines mullered my arm and left me with other mild side effects. The Moderna booster I had on Monday has been sweet as a nut... No pain in my arm and zero side effects whatsoever.
Touch.
In reply to Post #318
I appreciate the offer mate, but I'd only be able to squeeze it in if they agreed to a 9 day week right now.
Duggs may be in your area but is probably twice my price
Apparently colds have dried up in London now, it's all covid.. wonderful
I do wonder, without testing etc. how are they going to enforce isolation on people?
Basically London will just be 100%infected people strolling about with all their negative contacts at home
I appreciate the offer mate, but I'd only be able to squeeze it in if they agreed to a 9 day week right now.
Duggs may be in your area but is probably twice my price
Apparently colds have dried up in London now, it's all covid.. wonderful
I do wonder, without testing etc. how are they going to enforce isolation on people?
Basically London will just be 100%infected people strolling about with all their negative contacts at home
In reply to Post #321
Fair enough mate
Fair enough mate
In reply to Post #321
I'm further west than you are
I'm further west than you are
In reply to Post #321
If this pans out as expected, surely they will have to drop the isolation rule...
If this pans out as expected, surely they will have to drop the isolation rule...
Boris had 1 job to do in his address today........so tells the country there was 780,000 confirmed cases........there was 78,000 the dumb ****......
In reply to Post #325
Imagine if you'd been daft enough to vote for him eh?
The case numbers are alarming given that they'll likely double again by the weekend. Even with a less severe individual effect, the knock on in terms of isolating etc is going to be huge
Imagine if you'd been daft enough to vote for him eh?
The case numbers are alarming given that they'll likely double again by the weekend. Even with a less severe individual effect, the knock on in terms of isolating etc is going to be huge
In reply to Post #326
Not if you don't have a test and just go out with your sniffle
Not if you don't have a test and just go out with your sniffle
In reply to Post #326
They must be cursing Mal........
Plenty of cases.......Whitty and Boris said don't prioritise Christmas parties and get togethers though.......I wonder how many will listen.......
They must be cursing Mal........
Plenty of cases.......Whitty and Boris said don't prioritise Christmas parties and get togethers though.......I wonder how many will listen.......
In reply to Post #328
And that is why the population need rules, as the majority of them are stupid
And that is why the population need rules, as the majority of them are stupid
In reply to Post #328
I certainly won't be,we are having all the family around,will make no10's party last year look small
I certainly won't be,we are having all the family around,will make no10's party last year look small
I'll be doing morning mass via zoom and self isolating
In reply to Post #329
Rules yes....... but they should apply to all surely, on top of that there is the under handed control via us becoming a Nanny state telling you what's best for you and how you WILL live your life.......
We're expected to believe and not question the science for the greater good........sorry I meant theories......
Rules yes....... but they should apply to all surely, on top of that there is the under handed control via us becoming a Nanny state telling you what's best for you and how you WILL live your life.......
We're expected to believe and not question the science for the greater good........sorry I meant theories......
In reply to Post #332
Boris, the cheeky **** can get ****ed, can't have parties whilst all of his mates were powdering their noses, shaking a leg and laughing at our expense whilst we were cancelling our Christmas plans last year. If this is as rampant as they say, we'll all get it. Nobodies getting any younger, whilst everyone's fit and healthy, I'll be having my parents and grandparents this year.
Boris, the cheeky **** can get ****ed, can't have parties whilst all of his mates were powdering their noses, shaking a leg and laughing at our expense whilst we were cancelling our Christmas plans last year. If this is as rampant as they say, we'll all get it. Nobodies getting any younger, whilst everyone's fit and healthy, I'll be having my parents and grandparents this year.
In reply to Post #333
In reply to Post #333
Totally agree
Totally agree
In reply to Post #333
As I've said before, two wrongs dont make a right, hopefully Boris and co's time will come.
As I've said before, two wrongs dont make a right, hopefully Boris and co's time will come.
In reply to Post #336
Yeah I'm with you on that
Boris and his selfish mob won't suffer if everyone else behaves like them
But NHS staff will. And care home staff will. And when we end up in another lockdown the office party won't be saving folks mental health. And people will get ill. And maybe worse. The delta variant hasn't gone off and put its feet up saying 'well that's my job done' just because there's the new strain.
Yeah I'm with you on that
Boris and his selfish mob won't suffer if everyone else behaves like them
But NHS staff will. And care home staff will. And when we end up in another lockdown the office party won't be saving folks mental health. And people will get ill. And maybe worse. The delta variant hasn't gone off and put its feet up saying 'well that's my job done' just because there's the new strain.
Why is anyone fussed about not having an office party. Nobody actually wants an office or work party right? Just let me go home instead.
In reply to Post #318
If your Chippy cannot do it let me know I'll do them for £100 a door but for that rate I cut in with an axe and use a Birmingham screwdriver on the furniture and hanging hinges, you might want a large tub of filler and a 5 ltrs of gloss on hand, i'll be in and out before you can lay a dust sheet so you'll have to take a day off to clean up,
(standard anyway after a good wood butcher has been in your home).
If your Chippy cannot do it let me know I'll do them for £100 a door but for that rate I cut in with an axe and use a Birmingham screwdriver on the furniture and hanging hinges, you might want a large tub of filler and a 5 ltrs of gloss on hand, i'll be in and out before you can lay a dust sheet so you'll have to take a day off to clean up,
(standard anyway after a good wood butcher has been in your home).
In reply to Post #339
You've not worked on my daughters house have you?.
You've not worked on my daughters house have you?.
In reply to Post #340
In reply to Post #340
Depends, do you owe me any money
Depends, do you owe me any money
In reply to Post #336
Ultimately, we're all (ten of us, four households) going to do a lateral flow test because my grandparents in their 80's are coming. We can't be any more sensible than that, if they say we all can't meet then ******** to it, we're not cancelling it again.
Ultimately, we're all (ten of us, four households) going to do a lateral flow test because my grandparents in their 80's are coming. We can't be any more sensible than that, if they say we all can't meet then ******** to it, we're not cancelling it again.
In reply to Post #343
Nice to know you'll do your bit if called upon 🙄
Nice to know you'll do your bit if called upon 🙄
In reply to Post #344
**** them,did they stick to it last year.We were all sticking to 2m social distancing and not seeing our families and friends.They were partying playing quiz's,oh and hanging out the back of their personal assistants
**** them,did they stick to it last year.We were all sticking to 2m social distancing and not seeing our families and friends.They were partying playing quiz's,oh and hanging out the back of their personal assistants
In reply to Post #344
Called upon by Boris? He can't even keep his own house in order, let alone other peoples.
Called upon by Boris? He can't even keep his own house in order, let alone other peoples.
In reply to Post #346
In reply to Post #345
My sentiments also, but as much as we all would like to stick 2 fingers up at them, the measures will have come from the scientific advisors, now whatever you may think of them, these people know their onions, and should be listened to. The majority of people will be meeting family and friends on Christmas day, of by the slimmest possibilities that it gets cancelled then like most I will take it on the chin as I'm an adult
My sentiments also, but as much as we all would like to stick 2 fingers up at them, the measures will have come from the scientific advisors, now whatever you may think of them, these people know their onions, and should be listened to. The majority of people will be meeting family and friends on Christmas day, of by the slimmest possibilities that it gets cancelled then like most I will take it on the chin as I'm an adult
In reply to Post #348
You can do whatever you want,that's your choice.I certainly won't be doing what they say as I have stuck to the guidelines throughout.I have had enough now and trust our scientists why the **** would I do that,Whittey is saying we can't listen to South Africa scientists even though they have more experience with Omicron than ours.Get two jabs and we will all be ok oh wait no we won't,get a booster that will solve it.Will it really,I don't think so at all
You can do whatever you want,that's your choice.I certainly won't be doing what they say as I have stuck to the guidelines throughout.I have had enough now and trust our scientists
why the **** would I do that,Whittey is saying we can't listen to South Africa scientists even though they have more experience with Omicron than ours.Get two jabs and we will all be ok oh wait no we won't,get a booster that will solve it.Will it really,I don't think so at all
In reply to Post #348
Andy, it's commendable and I totally respect your decision, my personal circumstances are: I work In London and the south east meeting hundreds of people a week, my mum is a teacher working in a huge London college, my sister is a high school teacher and my grandparents are in their 80's, they're not getting any younger. We're all allowed to work next Friday, yet come next Saturday, we're possibly not allowed to meet in a residential setting.
We listened last year whilst those telling us what to do did the opposite. We'll all test and hopefully all be ok to carry on but essentially; we're being sensible, not reckless so pose no threat. ******** to that slippery **** Boris and whatever he says.
Andy, it's commendable and I totally respect your decision, my personal circumstances are: I work In London and the south east meeting hundreds of people a week, my mum is a teacher working in a huge London college, my sister is a high school teacher and my grandparents are in their 80's, they're not getting any younger. We're all allowed to work next Friday, yet come next Saturday, we're possibly not allowed to meet in a residential setting.
We listened last year whilst those telling us what to do did the opposite. We'll all test and hopefully all be ok to carry on but essentially; we're being sensible, not reckless so pose no threat. ******** to that slippery **** Boris and whatever he says.
In reply to Post #349
Why would you not? I mean I doubt you have a PhD in infectious diseases now, but I'm sure you've done your "research" so to be fair you're probably right hey??
Why would you not? I mean I doubt you have a PhD in infectious diseases now, but I'm sure you've done your "research" so to be fair you're probably right hey??
In reply to Post #350
So, the way I see it is, if the government decided to lock us down over Christmas and I ignored the rules, had family over and gave my parents, or grandparents covid which went on to kill them, I'm not sure how I'd cope with that guilt.
Obviously I could give them covid at any point, but to do so after being told not to mix, I'm not sure how I'd cope with that, your call really at the end of the day
So, the way I see it is, if the government decided to lock us down over Christmas and I ignored the rules, had family over and gave my parents, or grandparents covid which went on to kill them, I'm not sure how I'd cope with that guilt.
Obviously I could give them covid at any point, but to do so after being told not to mix, I'm not sure how I'd cope with that, your call really at the end of the day
In reply to Post #351
Yep just as right as Boris and Co have been throughout it all
Yep
just as right as Boris and Co have been throughout it all
In reply to Post #352
You're assuming said elderly parents or grandparents aren't capable of making their own decisions.
Who wouldn't want to spend what could be their last Christmas or birthday with their children and grandchildren?
You're assuming said elderly parents or grandparents aren't capable of making their own decisions.
Who wouldn't want to spend what could be their last Christmas or birthday with their children and grandchildren?
In reply to Post #354
We've got the grandkids coming around we're all being sensible and all will do flow tests.
I'm only half a century more or less so quite a few years left in the tank 😀
We've got the grandkids coming around we're all being sensible and all will do flow tests.
I'm only half a century more or less so quite a few years left in the tank 😀
In reply to Post #354
It could be anyones last Christmas, you could walk across the road tomorrow and get hit by a truck, but if I made it someones last Christmas, when told to follow the rules then frankly I'd be devastated.
It could be anyones last Christmas, you could walk across the road tomorrow and get hit by a truck, but if I made it someones last Christmas, when told to follow the rules then frankly I'd be devastated.
In reply to Post #354
You can understand that thinking - I wish I'd been able to spend what was her last Christmas with my mam last year. but ... hindsight and all that.
I guess the argument that you 'could get hit by a bus tomorrow ' applies - although it doesn't usually prompt people to start leaping into the road in front of oncoming number 23s ..
As said - I'm not doing any of this for Boris and Co. And I'm also not going to stop doing it to spite them either.
You can understand that thinking - I wish I'd been able to spend what was her last Christmas with my mam last year. but ... hindsight and all that.
I guess the argument that you 'could get hit by a bus tomorrow ' applies - although it doesn't usually prompt people to start leaping into the road in front of oncoming number 23s ..
As said - I'm not doing any of this for Boris and Co. And I'm also not going to stop doing it to spite them either.
Well, the mandatory mask wearing is going down well.......I have just been to Milton Keynes Shopping centre and would say it was 50/50.
I think it's quite evident people have had ENOUGH!
I think it's quite evident people have had ENOUGH!
In reply to Post #358
Funny I was there yesterday shopping and it was definitely more than 50/50
Funny I was there yesterday shopping and it was definitely more than 50/50
In reply to Post #359
I was there 30 mins ago......looked 50/50 to me......
I was there 30 mins ago......looked 50/50 to me......
In reply to Post #358
88000 new cases today...
Wonder how many will be 'ENOUGH' for the people of Milton Keynes eh?
88000 new cases today...
Wonder how many will be 'ENOUGH' for the people of Milton Keynes eh?
In reply to Post #361
MK is a Fairly young demographic area so I imagine they will be fine.......
MK is a Fairly young demographic area so I imagine they will be fine.......
In reply to Post #361
How many new cases will there be tomorrow sir based on the infection rate.You had better call Uncle Ben because you're going need a **** load of rice
How many new cases will there be tomorrow sir based on the infection rate.You had better call Uncle Ben because you're going need a **** load of rice
In reply to Post #357
You're a better person than most, Mal. Having lost the only thing you statistically needed to protect I would 100% be as adherent and respectful of the ‘rules' as I am.
I shared a few beers and laughs with the old boy next door who's kids were too afraid to visit last Xmas. He died of cancer a few months later that got diagnosed as a bladder infection via Skype during lockdown.
You're a better person than most, Mal. Having lost the only thing you statistically needed to protect I would 100% be as adherent and respectful of the ‘rules' as I am.
I shared a few beers and laughs with the old boy next door who's kids were too afraid to visit last Xmas. He died of cancer a few months later that got diagnosed as a bladder infection via Skype during lockdown.
In reply to Post #363
You're both missing the point.
Boris won't need to 'cancel Christmas ' because everywhere will be shut with staff off isolating. They may well be 'fine' but they won't be delivering your Christmas pressies.
The anti mask / ant vax brigade are just making it easy for him. And he doesn't deserve that
Edit - noj... there's always somebody else's mam for me to look out for eh?
You're both missing the point.
Boris won't need to 'cancel Christmas ' because everywhere will be shut with staff off isolating. They may well be 'fine' but they won't be delivering your Christmas pressies.
The anti mask / ant vax brigade are just making it easy for him. And he doesn't deserve that
Edit - noj... there's always somebody else's mam for me to look out for eh?
In reply to Post #363
I wouldn't be surprised in 2-3 weeks time we hit 150k + cases a day, with all the isolating the country could be in danger of coming to a stop. Interesting times
I wouldn't be surprised in 2-3 weeks time we hit 150k + cases a day, with all the isolating the country could be in danger of coming to a stop. Interesting times
In reply to Post #366
Yep, start stock piling now........
Yep, start stock piling now........
In reply to Post #366
Well nearly two years in and I haven't had covid but bumbling Boris has.I must be listening to his rules better than he is,I took my mum out for dinner last week and the amount of people not wearing a mask was quite surprising.I think like Wayne has said people have had enough
Well nearly two years in and I haven't had covid but bumbling Boris has.I must be listening to his rules better than he is,I took my mum out for dinner last week and the amount of people not wearing a mask was quite surprising.I think like Wayne has said people have had enough
In reply to Post #368
Like I said right down below, I'm vaxxed and wear a mask purely because I see so many different people. In London covid is rife, I know of four people who tested positive today. I can see it getting quite bad again to be honest. January Lockdown it looks like imo. Still having a party at Christmas, **** Boris
Like I said right down below, I'm vaxxed and wear a mask purely because I see so many different people. In London covid is rife, I know of four people who tested positive today. I can see it getting quite bad again to be honest. January Lockdown it looks like imo. Still having a party at Christmas, **** Boris
In reply to Post #365
That's why you're in a position of responsibility and I'm not mate.
Started feeling better now but have had the sneezes, sore throat, fatigue etc. I'm in a hotspot too apparently... if I'm still alive in a fortnight I'm guessing I'll be winning the antibody race
I read somebody earlier stating omni had cold symptoms because of the antibody response of the vaccine. So maybe I've had previous variants?
I've been ill about a dozen times since the pandemic began and expect I've had a few because I've taken very very few precautions
Might put some blood plasma on eBay. Probably about 20% thc too!
That's why you're in a position of responsibility and I'm not mate.
Started feeling better now but have had the sneezes, sore throat, fatigue etc. I'm in a hotspot too apparently... if I'm still alive in a fortnight I'm guessing I'll be winning the antibody race
I read somebody earlier stating omni had cold symptoms because of the antibody response of the vaccine. So maybe I've had previous variants?
I've been ill about a dozen times since the pandemic began and expect I've had a few because I've taken very very few precautions
Might put some blood plasma on eBay. Probably about 20% thc too!
In reply to Post #342
Does anyone know why the government pulled antibody testing (about a year ago) I think they were just about to become available from the likes of superdrug and others, and the govt pulled it.
I've read a few people saying antibody testing would be useful, any thoughts anyone? Would it give people a false (or true!) sense of security? Is the test not accurate?
I've read a few people saying antibody testing would be useful, any thoughts anyone? Would it give people a false (or true!) sense of security? Is the test not accurate?
In reply to Post #372
You can still get antibody tests done?
You can still get antibody tests done?
In reply to Post #372
Not sure, they would be useful though as they would give a real indication of who has antibodies......
Not sure, they would be useful though as they would give a real indication of who has antibodies......
In reply to Post #374
Doesnt the vaccine tell the body to produce antibodies??
Doesnt the vaccine tell the body to produce antibodies??
In reply to Post #372
Probably because it would slow down getting needles in peoples arms regardless of whether they needed it or not.
Probably because it would slow down getting needles in peoples arms regardless of whether they needed it or not.
In reply to Post #375
An antibody test is how they tested if it works and how they should monitor people's level of protection.
Surely if the covid goalposts keep moving so must the antibodies fighting it and we need to put more effort in to monitoring it.
An antibody test is how they tested if it works and how they should monitor people's level of protection.
Surely if the covid goalposts keep moving so must the antibodies fighting it and we need to put more effort in to monitoring it.
It's been common knowledge for a while that covid is spread via the mouth and nose however new data suggests that its more likely to be a**holes....
In reply to Post #375
The vaccine does make your body produce antibodies yes, and so does catching / recovering from covid.
You can have an antibody test but only in certain circumstances, government trials, NHS workers, ONS surveys etc.
Antibody testing would be a more sensible way of prioritising vaccination, it it was a quantitative test (i.e what is the level of antibodies present) maybe it is just qualitative (i.e. yes, no)
Just imagine right now how many millions of old people are being boosted when they have high antibodies anyway.
The vaccine does make your body produce antibodies yes, and so does catching / recovering from covid.
You can have an antibody test but only in certain circumstances, government trials, NHS workers, ONS surveys etc.
Antibody testing would be a more sensible way of prioritising vaccination, it it was a quantitative test (i.e what is the level of antibodies present) maybe it is just qualitative (i.e. yes, no)
Just imagine right now how many millions of old people are being boosted when they have high antibodies anyway.
In reply to Post #379
Just imagine how many unvaccinated and people who show no symptoms have antibodies.......
Just imagine how many unvaccinated and people who show no symptoms have antibodies.......
In reply to Post #380
well yes that's partly my point! It's difficult to know, but they reckon up to 50% of omicron cases are asymptomatic.
well yes that's partly my point! It's difficult to know, but they reckon up to 50% of omicron cases are asymptomatic.
As was expressed before, the vaccine will give you the spike protein antigen.
Natural immunity will give you a broader range of antigens and theoretically cover more bases.
The most concerning part of this all is how the public are creating an us Vs them mentality, egged on by media.
Natural immunity will give you a broader range of antigens and theoretically cover more bases.
The most concerning part of this all is how the public are creating an us Vs them mentality, egged on by media.
In reply to Post #382
its called the new inclusive society.
its inclusive for those who swallow whatever the government say and don't question anything but if you do - sorry not included and vilified. Its the way forward apparently.
its called the new inclusive society.
its inclusive for those who swallow whatever the government say and don't question anything but if you do - sorry not included and vilified. Its the way forward apparently.
In reply to Post #382
Yep, Brexit first then the GE and then this........I was listening to some women who was receiving abuse from her own family. They were calling unclean, spreader etc......she sounded as low as you can get and wouldn't surprise me if she does something stupid.......
VLT - If we knew that data then there would be less jabs, less jabs = less money for someone!
I'm gobsmacked Witty is STILL saying we don't have enough data........it's booster, booster booster....... no mention of having your first jab now and how effective or not that would be.......
Yep, Brexit first then the GE and then this........I was listening to some women who was receiving abuse from her own family. They were calling unclean, spreader etc......she sounded as low as you can get and wouldn't surprise me if she does something stupid.......
VLT - If we knew that data then there would be less jabs, less jabs = less money for someone!
I'm gobsmacked Witty is STILL saying we don't have enough data........it's booster, booster booster....... no mention of having your first jab now and how effective or not that would be.......
In reply to Post #382
When the majority of people with covid in hospitals now are unvaccinated, you can quite easily see why the public do see it that way, especially when there is a reasonably good solution to minimize the impact, but for reasons unknown people dont go that route.
When the majority of people with covid in hospitals now are unvaccinated, you can quite easily see why the public do see it that way, especially when there is a reasonably good solution to minimize the impact, but for reasons unknown people dont go that route.
In reply to Post #384
He's always going to be cautious in the face of limited data. Throughout this, they have always had to estimate the total number of infections, which is a big gap in the data.
As the days pass by though it's increasingly looking like it's not so bad, down to our high level of vaccination AND prior infection.... so we can all UNITE and take a share of the credit
He's always going to be cautious in the face of limited data. Throughout this, they have always had to estimate the total number of infections, which is a big gap in the data.
As the days pass by though it's increasingly looking like it's not so bad, down to our high level of vaccination AND prior infection.... so we can all UNITE and take a share of the credit
In reply to Post #379
You can still get antibody tests done for covid but you have to pay for it yourself through certain online pharmacies. I had one done last year at hospital after catching covid but the issue with the antibody test is that not everyone produces the same amount of antibodies and the tests only register that you've had covid if you have a certain amount of the antibodies in your system but they can tell if you had covid in the past by your t cell readings. My test came back negative for the antibodies but my t cell readings indicated according to the doctor that I had already had covid
You can still get antibody tests done for covid but you have to pay for it yourself through certain online pharmacies. I had one done last year at hospital after catching covid but the issue with the antibody test is that not everyone produces the same amount of antibodies and the tests only register that you've had covid if you have a certain amount of the antibodies in your system but they can tell if you had covid in the past by your t cell readings. My test came back negative for the antibodies but my t cell readings indicated according to the doctor that I had already had covid
In reply to Post #385
That's incorrect AD.......there is more vaccinated in hospital! As a percentage of Vaxxed / unvaxxed people in hospital then it's higher as there is many more vaccinated. Problem is that FACT doesn't help the vaccine drive, especially when it's a relatively low number. Would be good to offer unvaccinated antibody tests though.......
VLT - let's all pat ourselves on the back ay........
That's incorrect AD.......there is more vaccinated in hospital! As a percentage of Vaxxed / unvaxxed people in hospital then it's higher as there is many more vaccinated. Problem is that FACT doesn't help the vaccine drive, especially when it's a relatively low number. Would be good to offer unvaccinated antibody tests though.......
VLT - let's all pat ourselves on the back ay........
In reply to Post #388
The way I'm seeing it is the ones needing the most amount of care are those who haven't been double jabbed, and there are alot of reports suggesting the same. Even if you go by jabbed vs unjabbed percentage like you have, then there is a massive difference between the two
The way I'm seeing it is the ones needing the most amount of care are those who haven't been double jabbed, and there are alot of reports suggesting the same. Even if you go by jabbed vs unjabbed percentage like you have, then there is a massive difference between the two
In reply to Post #387
And nobody really knows how many antibodies is a good number
https://monitormyhealth.org.uk/covid19-antibody-and-vaccine-immunity-test/#
And nobody really knows how many antibodies is a good number
https://monitormyhealth.org.uk/covid19-antibody-and-vaccine-immunity-test/#
In reply to Post #383
I've always wondered what those who arent in the "all inclusive society" bracket are gonna do when the government start taking away their nice things. If it's a bad winter for covid then you can see it coming, are these people never going to go abroad on holiday again? I mean it's not like Disney world is suddenly gonna up sticks and settle down in little old blighty now is it?
I've always wondered what those who arent in the "all inclusive society" bracket are gonna do when the government start taking away their nice things. If it's a bad winter for covid then you can see it coming, are these people never going to go abroad on holiday again? I mean it's not like Disney world is suddenly gonna up sticks and settle down in little old blighty now is it?
In reply to Post #382
Let's see how it pans out as many of those unvaccinated who got delta in Africa still went on to get reinfected with omicron....
So vaccine or no vacccine your still going to get it's just a question if the vaccines will keep folk out of hospital.
Let's see how it pans out as many of those unvaccinated who got delta in Africa still went on to get reinfected with omicron....
So vaccine or no vacccine your still going to get it's just a question if the vaccines will keep folk out of hospital.
Chris Whitty... there's no deaths linked to the new variant because it's too early and deaths lag behind infections
Also Chris Whitty... boosters offer 80-90% protection against death and hospitalisations for omicron
Also Chris Whitty... boosters offer 80-90% protection against death and hospitalisations for omicron
In reply to Post #391
What nice things do you mean?
I don't go abroad so no drama there!
What nice things do you mean?
I don't go abroad so no drama there!
In reply to Post #394
Odd, seems like every unvaccinated person I've spoken to doesnt go abroad either.........
Odd, seems like every unvaccinated person I've spoken to doesnt go abroad either.........
In reply to Post #393
Based on some modelling let's hope they are right 🤞
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/report-48-global-omicron/
Based on some modelling let's hope they are right 🤞
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/report-48-global-omicron/
In reply to Post #393
The guy is a ****ing clown
The guy is a ****ing clown
Yep.......I saw something today where he is saying CV will be around for another 18 months but get better every 6 months!! Modelling from his chums or something else?!
Also, Since I read that article in the guardian the other day I have been checking it out daily.........what a crock of depressive **** that news paper is.....should be taken out of circulation ....
Also, Since I read that article in the guardian the other day I have been checking it out daily.........what a crock of depressive **** that news paper is.....should be taken out of circulation ....
In reply to Post #396
If that's co-written by the same Neil Ferguson who got everything else wrong I'd cross all your fingers and toes at once.
If that's co-written by the same Neil Ferguson who got everything else wrong I'd cross all your fingers and toes at once.
In reply to Post #399
Tbf apart from the numbers, the scientific advisors have got pretty much everything correct
Tbf apart from the numbers, the scientific advisors have got pretty much everything correct
In reply to Post #400
You have to remember that throughout this, the fundamental piece of information that nobody has had is the true number of positive cases. It is always FAR higher than reported positive cases. For a couple of years I trained and worked in statistical analysis and modelling (LSS) and it was always the same, make sure the data is good. We have generally been using compromised / partial / bad data.
You have to remember that throughout this, the fundamental piece of information that nobody has had is the true number of positive cases. It is always FAR higher than reported positive cases. For a couple of years I trained and worked in statistical analysis and modelling (LSS) and it was always the same, make sure the data is good. We have generally been using compromised / partial / bad data.
In reply to Post #400
DP
DP
In reply to Post #399
What did he get wrong? His prediction of 510,000 deaths was based upon there being no mitigation to prevent the spread of the disease. Since there have been many attempts to mitigate the spread through lockdowns, working from home, masks and social distancing not to mention vaccines and better treatments and we are still looking at 150,000 deaths is his prediction beyond the realms of possibility?
What did he get wrong? His prediction of 510,000 deaths was based upon there being no mitigation to prevent the spread of the disease. Since there have been many attempts to mitigate the spread through lockdowns, working from home, masks and social distancing not to mention vaccines and better treatments and we are still looking at 150,000 deaths is his prediction beyond the realms of possibility?
I can only assume this has taken over from the end is nigh thread 😬
In reply to Post #403
I'm of the belief that 150k haven't died from covid, not in a tin foil hat they're all in on it way. But I don't believe any figures or claims right now
I'm of the belief that 150k haven't died from covid, not in a tin foil hat they're all in on it way. But I don't believe any figures or claims right now
In reply to Post #405
ONS figures suggest it's significantly more than 150k, because early on, the govt weren't counting people dying in care homes.
ONS figures suggest it's significantly more than 150k, because early on, the govt weren't counting people dying in care homes.
In reply to Post #406
Yeah. They were trying to brush them under the carpet by sending infectious and very ill people there from hospitals...
Yeah. They were trying to brush them under the carpet by sending infectious and very ill people there from hospitals...
In reply to Post #405
Just out of interest, why dont you believe that number? Genuine question
Just out of interest, why dont you believe that number? Genuine question
In reply to Post #408
I believe the number of deaths over that period, you can't argue with corpses.. but I don't believe they all died as a direct result of a covid infection.
As Mal mentioned, the blood of 000s of the elderly is on the hands of the government and nhs.
I believe the number of deaths over that period, you can't argue with corpses.. but I don't believe they all died as a direct result of a covid infection.
As Mal mentioned, the blood of 000s of the elderly is on the hands of the government and nhs.
Think it was bbc news that would give the daily fatality figures, then followed by died within 28 days of a positive covid test!?
In reply to Post #411
Microchipping - We do that with dogs and cats nothing new
Microchipping - We do that with dogs and cats nothing new
In reply to Post #405
Every country is blaming its government but what about those failing to social distance / wear masks / not isolating when they have covid ?
Every country is blaming its government but what about those failing to social distance / wear masks / not isolating when they have covid ?
So they died of covid or with covid?
In reply to Post #412
But we're not Dogs or Cats are we Jason and live in the FREE world apparently........my point is this kind of **** was laughed at by people as some crazy conspiracy yet here they are talking about that crazy ****, those same people who laughed then try to make light off it.......
Roman - that's the problem, patient X has a heart attack on day 27 which is within 28 days of a positive Covid test so the cause of death is Covid.......
But we're not Dogs or Cats are we Jason and live in the FREE world apparently........my point is this kind of **** was laughed at by people as some crazy conspiracy yet here they are talking about that crazy ****, those same people who laughed then try to make light off it.......
Roman - that's the problem, patient X has a heart attack on day 27 which is within 28 days of a positive Covid test so the cause of death is Covid.......
In reply to Post #415
If you carry a smart phone around with you, shop online, post on social media etc. then all the fear of being 'monitored ' by NHS apps or this thing that a few swedes seem to have done is just a joke really.
They've already got your data. And Boris is probably selling off your medical notes to the highest bidder already...
Life is short. Stop being so paranoid
If you carry a smart phone around with you, shop online, post on social media etc. then all the fear of being 'monitored ' by NHS apps or this thing that a few swedes seem to have done is just a joke really.
They've already got your data. And Boris is probably selling off your medical notes to the highest bidder already...
Life is short. Stop being so paranoid
In reply to Post #416
I knew you was going to say that.......
Cant we go back to the early 90s.........everything was bloody great then.........
I knew you was going to say that.......
Cant we go back to the early 90s.........everything was bloody great then.........
In reply to Post #415
So patient x takes the vaccine and has a heart attack 27 days later, I assume you're equally happy to say it's nothing to do with the vaccine then yes?
So patient x takes the vaccine and has a heart attack 27 days later, I assume you're equally happy to say it's nothing to do with the vaccine then yes?
In reply to Post #415
FFS DP
FFS DP
In reply to Post #416
Exactly, how many times have you been talking about something, then a Facebook advertisement suddenly appears on your news feed? We are monitored all the time, dont forget all those who own an alexa are probably being listened to 24/7
Exactly, how many times have you been talking about something, then a Facebook advertisement suddenly appears on your news feed? We are monitored all the time, dont forget all those who own an alexa are probably being listened to 24/7
In reply to Post #420
The exact reason I refuse to have one. Not that the government has any interest in listening to me talk in stupid voices to my cats
The exact reason I refuse to have one. Not that the government has any interest in listening to me talk in stupid voices to my cats
In reply to Post #420
Yours and mals response is the same as people who laughed off chip implants 2-3yrs ago as madness from a wacko conspiracy theorist......natural response to your absolute need of the system......
I think it's time to decide if you want the blue pill or the red pill......
Yours and mals response is the same as people who laughed off chip implants 2-3yrs ago as madness from a wacko conspiracy theorist......natural response to your absolute need of the system......
I think it's time to decide if you want the blue pill or the red pill......
In reply to Post #422
I wouldn't go that far, but firmly believe that somehow the social media companies are listening, obviously alexa is listening, as it's what it's designed to do.
I wouldn't go that far, but firmly believe that somehow the social media companies are listening, obviously alexa is listening, as it's what it's designed to do.
As we are being told that this is a much weaker variant then would it not be a good idea to get as many boosters in arms as poss but leave the masks and social distancing etc alone? I mean surly if they let this thing circulate we could all pick up some natural antibodies which would leave us in a stronger position should a new variant come alone that is worse than we have had so far?
Look.......I know this may cause extra deaths and that's not something anyone wants but do you not think that one day we are just going to have to bite the bullet anyway?
This is just a question to see others thoughts I'm by no means wanting it so please don't shoot me down.
Yesterday's figures were nearly 100 thousand infections yet deaths went down so.......
Look.......I know this may cause extra deaths and that's not something anyone wants but do you not think that one day we are just going to have to bite the bullet anyway?
This is just a question to see others thoughts I'm by no means wanting it so please don't shoot me down.
Yesterday's figures were nearly 100 thousand infections yet deaths went down so.......
In reply to Post #410
'could'
'proposed'
... 'in Sweden'
Don't you realise that this sort of cobblers is written with the specific purpose of getting people to scream and shout how it's the end of the world? It's not even new tech.
They did the same when they told you the EU were going to take your three-pin plugs away...
Some people just enjoy being scared.
'could'
'proposed'
... 'in Sweden'
Don't you realise that this sort of cobblers is written with the specific purpose of getting people to scream and shout how it's the end of the world? It's not even new tech.
They did the same when they told you the EU were going to take your three-pin plugs away...
Some people just enjoy being scared.
In reply to Post #425
There's now “leaked” information of an imminent circuit breaker lockdown coming, all of last year we saw these leaked plans prior to it being announced. I reckon that shaggy haired scruffy **** will do an announcement over the weekend.
Regardless, I can't wait to have a full house full of festivities
There's now “leaked” information of an imminent circuit breaker lockdown coming, all of last year we saw these leaked plans prior to it being announced. I reckon that shaggy haired scruffy **** will do an announcement over the weekend.
Regardless, I can't wait to have a full house full of festivities
In reply to Post #424
We aren't being told it's a much weaker variant yet. It's very early days and the data is patchy. The next two weeks is critical, if deaths stay low then yes, it is a blessing in disguise, but they still have to focus on numbers of people going into hospital beds etc, not just deaths.
Current best estimates put this variant at 30% less severe and 600% more transmissable. That would still mean the NHS is overwhelmed.
They don't know whether this variant is less severe because the virus produces less severe disease, or because it is infecting people who have antibodies from prior infection / vaccination.
We aren't being told it's a much weaker variant yet. It's very early days and the data is patchy. The next two weeks is critical, if deaths stay low then yes, it is a blessing in disguise, but they still have to focus on numbers of people going into hospital beds etc, not just deaths.
Current best estimates put this variant at 30% less severe and 600% more transmissable. That would still mean the NHS is overwhelmed.
They don't know whether this variant is less severe because the virus produces less severe disease, or because it is infecting people who have antibodies from prior infection / vaccination.
In reply to Post #425
I do Jon, but it's the same with Boris and Witty......
May
Might
Possibly
Vince - if some one has a heart attack 27 days after a vaccine then you would have to wait for an autopsy I suppose but chances are it's nothing to do with it unless they already had a underlying condition that it aggravated by it or severe myocarditis from it which is rare we're told?
I do Jon, but it's the same with Boris and Witty......
May
Might
Possibly
Vince - if some one has a heart attack 27 days after a vaccine then you would have to wait for an autopsy I suppose but chances are it's nothing to do with it unless they already had a underlying condition that it aggravated by it or severe myocarditis from it which is rare we're told?
In reply to Post #427
They have every bit of information about the new variant provided by the South African Doctor who discovered the new variant, a comprehensive factual report Vince- for some moronic reason “Witty the Wizard” and numb nuts Boris, seem to be going out of their way to ignore it???
They have every bit of information about the new variant provided by the South African Doctor who discovered the new variant, a comprehensive factual report Vince- for some moronic reason “Witty the Wizard” and numb nuts Boris, seem to be going out of their way to ignore it???
In reply to Post #428
I put more trust in scientists expressing uncertainty than I do in folk who think typing 'fact' in capitals makes them right.
I put more trust in scientists expressing uncertainty than I do in folk who think typing 'fact' in capitals makes them right.
In reply to Post #422
It's not the same you silly sod. The difference is that we don't think that cookies and market analytics are some subversive plot by the lizard people
It's simple common knowledge and nothing to be scared of.
Have you seen the movie 'enemy of the state?' I think you'd like it
It's not the same you silly sod. The difference is that we don't think that cookies and market analytics are some subversive plot by the lizard people
It's simple common knowledge and nothing to be scared of.
Have you seen the movie 'enemy of the state?' I think you'd like it
In reply to Post #431
You missing the point Mal......
Bit like the vaccine rollout at the beginning of the year.......do it, don't do it it's your choice.......12 months later let's discuss mandatory this and that!
I'm sure you could apply the same logic to microchips, have one of these to make life easier checking in to places, paying for stuff etc and entirely up to people if they want one......2-3 years later.....right it's time for mandatory microchip implants to protect blah blah blah!
Yes phones say so much about you but it's fairly easy to ditch a smart phone and go back to a simple phone isn't it.......
You missing the point Mal......
Bit like the vaccine rollout at the beginning of the year.......do it, don't do it it's your choice.......12 months later let's discuss mandatory this and that!
I'm sure you could apply the same logic to microchips, have one of these to make life easier checking in to places, paying for stuff etc and entirely up to people if they want one......2-3 years later.....right it's time for mandatory microchip implants to protect blah blah blah!
Yes phones say so much about you but it's fairly easy to ditch a smart phone and go back to a simple phone isn't it.......
In reply to Post #432
You should definitely watch the movie.
Will Smith and Gene Hackman- a bit dated maybe but I think it would be up your street.
I'm too old and grey for the paranoid stuff. I know who dislikes me and it's not Bill Gates.
You should definitely watch the movie.
Will Smith and Gene Hackman- a bit dated maybe but I think it would be up your street.
I'm too old and grey for the paranoid stuff. I know who dislikes me and it's not Bill Gates.
In reply to Post #433
Only because he doesn't know you
Only because he doesn't know you
In reply to Post #433
It's not paranoia Mal, I'm thinking more about the world we live in now and in the future.......
I suggest you watch the Matrix......
It's not paranoia Mal, I'm thinking more about the world we live in now and in the future.......
I suggest you watch the Matrix......
In reply to Post #434
If Wayne is to be believed he knows everything there is about me!
As for the Matrix Wayne... my surname is smith so I'll be OK
If Wayne is to be believed he knows everything there is about me!
As for the Matrix Wayne... my surname is smith so I'll be OK
In reply to Post #436
He will know you if you use Windows 11.......apart from that your just another peace and love hippy
He will know you if you use Windows 11.......apart from that your just another peace and love hippy
In reply to Post #435
I'm afraid to tell you it's paranoia. Luddites like yourself are always scared of new technology. Implants have been used for decades to improve and save people's lives with brain/ heart deseases or damage. How they move forward as tech gets smaller and better is a matter for legislation. Which you get a vote on numpty. But your paranoia kicks in immediately with Hollywood blockbuster predictably, banging the same terrified drum beat
I'm afraid to tell you it's paranoia. Luddites like yourself are always scared of new technology. Implants have been used for decades to improve and save people's lives with brain/ heart deseases or damage. How they move forward as tech gets smaller and better is a matter for legislation. Which you get a vote on numpty. But your paranoia kicks in immediately with Hollywood blockbuster predictably, banging the same terrified drum beat
In reply to Post #438
Here he is........nameless troll.......
Here he is........nameless troll.......
Calm down Trigger, you're not being held down and injected just yet.
In reply to Post #435
Do you have some data regarding the medium to long term effects of these blue and red pills?
Do you have some data regarding the medium to long term effects of these blue and red pills?
In reply to Post #441
I don't.......do you have any on the vaccine? If so I could be tempted.......
I don't.......do you have any on the vaccine? If so I could be tempted.......
In reply to Post #442
There's plenty but I quite like the idea of your remaining unvaccinated.
There's plenty but I quite like the idea of your remaining unvaccinated.
In reply to Post #443
He has had covid twice and is still here
He has had covid twice and is still here
In reply to Post #443
Do you have Any links to the long term affects of Covid 19 vaccination from what I decide are reputable sources .......
Do you have Any links to the long term affects of Covid 19 vaccination from what I decide are reputable sources .......
In reply to Post #444
The second time was worse than the first wasn't it? Tiny cohort but it will be interesting to see if the third infection is worse.
The second time was worse than the first wasn't it? Tiny cohort but it will be interesting to see if the third infection is worse.
In reply to Post #441
Well the blues, being Pfizer, might maybe possibly cause heart attacks *in rare cases
Well the blues, being Pfizer, might maybe possibly cause heart attacks *in rare cases
In reply to Post #446
No, I had that bloody cold doing the rounds then Covid afterwards........
You got that link please.......
No, I had that bloody cold doing the rounds then Covid afterwards........
You got that link please.......
In reply to Post #439
Put your dummy back in numpty. Like a squealing scared kid all the time
Put your dummy back in numpty. Like a squealing scared kid all the time
In reply to Post #448
Possibly the whole illness was Covid mate.
Possibly the whole illness was Covid mate.
I see that the mayor of London declares a ‘major incident' in London as omicron cases surge....I doubt the two faced fcukwit will be declaring a ‘major incident' over London's knife crime problem anytime soon.
Cnuts, the whole lot of e'm.
Cnuts, the whole lot of e'm.
In reply to Post #451
Bizarre statement
Bizarre statement
In reply to Post #450
Nope.....all my testing proved that......
Have you read about the amount of people who had there booster recently and are now unwell.......explanation from scientists........must have caught Covid the day they had the jab.......
Nope.....all my testing proved that......
Have you read about the amount of people who had there booster recently and are now unwell.......explanation from scientists........must have caught Covid the day they had the jab.......
In reply to Post #453
Had my booster yesterday, so far so good 💪
Had my booster yesterday, so far so good 💪
In reply to Post #453
My wife has been ill since hers she had the maderna (spelling probably wrong)covid tests coming back negative.How do they explain that one away
My wife has been ill since hers she had the maderna (spelling probably wrong)covid tests coming back negative.How do they explain that one away
In reply to Post #453
LFs aren't very reliable. And even worse for this variant.
I've got two family members with it. Sick for over a week but LFs negative. One had a negative PCR too. That one llst sense of smell so booked another and that was positive.
LFs aren't very reliable. And even worse for this variant.
I've got two family members with it. Sick for over a week but LFs negative. One had a negative PCR too. That one llst sense of smell so booked another and that was positive.
In reply to Post #455
Same here and after having the booster became that unwell ‘still am after 5 weeks' that it is worse than when I had covid after having the 2 jabs. Did a covid test and despite feeling worse than when having actual covid it is negative.
Crack on with life.
Same here and after having the booster became that unwell ‘still am after 5 weeks' that it is worse than when I had covid after having the 2 jabs. Did a covid test and despite feeling worse than when having actual covid it is negative.
Crack on with life.
In reply to Post #454
Apart from having an aching arm for a day or two I then became that unwell it was worse than when I actually got covid and yet a test shows negative.
Apart from having an aching arm for a day or two I then became that unwell it was worse than when I actually got covid and yet a test shows negative.
Latest advice from Boris and Witty..........
In reply to Post #460
What does he know.......
What does he know.......
In reply to Post #460
The only thing remotely interesting on that link was about chicken crackling, though I'll stick with pork 👍
The only thing remotely interesting on that link was about chicken crackling, though I'll stick with pork 👍
In reply to Post #459
😂👍🏼
😂👍🏼
naughty Piers........
In reply to Post #462
Eh?
Eh?
In reply to Post #460
Everyones got an agenda
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/
Everyones got an agenda
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/
In reply to Post #466
Don't they ever, I wonder what The Atlantic's is
the fact that he's just saying exactly what the JCVI originally said about the vaccines and children until they were overruled by Gov should make you at least question all this surely
Don't they ever, I wonder what The Atlantic's is
the fact that he's just saying exactly what the JCVI originally said about the vaccines and children until they were overruled by Gov should make you at least question all this surely
In reply to Post #460
Nothing on gammon news is remotely interesting
Nothing on gammon news is remotely interesting
In reply to Post #467
Oh you can question it alright. Just not out loud or to anybody that's read the same articles and come to a different conclusion.
Anybody would think science wasn't the practice of discussing a theory and going about proving it right or wrong in practice. If a civil servant's computer says 2 million cases and 3000 hospitalisations a day who are doctors to argue?
Oh you can question it alright. Just not out loud or to anybody that's read the same articles and come to a different conclusion.
Anybody would think science wasn't the practice of discussing a theory and going about proving it right or wrong in practice. If a civil servant's computer says 2 million cases and 3000 hospitalisations a day who are doctors to argue?
In reply to Post #468
Bet the Guardian newspaper is good though ay.......
Bet the Guardian newspaper is good though ay.......
In reply to Post #468
You've shown your hand 😉
You've shown your hand 😉
In reply to Post #471
Anything is better than that tw@t Farage
Anything is better than that tw@t Farage
BBC Reporter........lots of that on this thread......
In reply to Post #467
The JVCI said the benefit of a vaccine for children was negligible.
The JVCI said the benefit of a vaccine for children was negligible.
Professor ( I'm wrong rather than right ) Ferguson predicts 5000 deaths a day COULD happen without a lockdown.........
In reply to Post #477
Anything COULD happen. 😆
Anything COULD happen. 😆
In reply to Post #478
Yeah it PROBABLY won't but it MIGHT......
Yeah it PROBABLY won't but it MIGHT......
In reply to Post #479
Well they locked down the Netherlands despite all the anti vaccine protests.
I am concerned we may be heading the same way, threat to public services bla bla bla....emergency cobra meeting ....Uk locked down just in time for Xmas ...
Boris was an editor at the spectator- done pretty well for himself.
Well they locked down the Netherlands despite all the anti vaccine protests.
I am concerned we may be heading the same way, threat to public services bla bla bla....emergency cobra meeting ....Uk locked down just in time for Xmas ...
Boris was an editor at the spectator- done pretty well for himself.
In reply to Post #480
27th December lockdown to stop New Year's eve parties
27th December lockdown to stop New Year's eve parties
In reply to Post #480
Cobra meeting at 5pm.....
Cobra meeting at 5pm.....
In reply to Post #482
Only way I can see a lockdown working successfully this time is if they shut everything again........
If that happens then I reckon we will see some rioting this time though from far less peaceful protests......
Only way I can see a lockdown working successfully this time is if they shut everything again........
If that happens then I reckon we will see some rioting this time though from far less peaceful protests......
In reply to Post #483
I can see riots happening and not enough police or military to stop it.It could get very interesting indeed
I can see riots happening and not enough police or military to stop it.It could get very interesting indeed
In reply to Post #484
My chest freezer and cupboards were filled to the brim yesterday.......quite a few loo rolls were bought too.......
My chest freezer and cupboards were filled to the brim yesterday.......quite a few loo rolls were bought too.......
In reply to Post #485
Oh I went the other way and went sports direct,got a lovely new baseball bat and balaclava
Oh I went the other way and went sports direct,got a lovely new baseball bat and balaclava
The anti-health measure lot will be too busy soiling themselves in floods of tears on the living room floor to cause much trouble I imagine.
In reply to Post #487
I will be out,got my eye on a few nice items in some shop windows.My wife will think I have really spoilt her this year
I will be out,got my eye on a few nice items in some shop windows.My wife will think I have really spoilt her this year
In reply to Post #486
Already got that kit........
some encouraging news if you believe it.......I'm sure Whitty, Ferguson, jabit and Khan won't though.......
Already got that kit........
some encouraging news if you believe it.......I'm sure Whitty, Ferguson, jabit and Khan won't though.......
In reply to Post #487
Just been chatting to a bloke who thinks martial law is coming.. It would be funny if he didn't have a .45 for the occasion. Don't go assuming it's 5 million+ Piers Corbyns without a vaccination, the government and police are on thin ice and would need the army if it went pear shaped.
It's easy to champion lockdowns etc. when you have social and financial security.
Anybody see Jethro? Triple vaccinated and dead
Just been chatting to a bloke who thinks martial law is coming.. It would be funny if he didn't have a .45 for the occasion. Don't go assuming it's 5 million+ Piers Corbyns without a vaccination, the government and police are on thin ice and would need the army if it went pear shaped.
It's easy to champion lockdowns etc. when you have social and financial security.
Anybody see Jethro? Triple vaccinated and dead
In reply to Post #489
Strike the fear of god into us, we all go out and get vaccinated, they cleaim the victory. Christ I'm sounding more and more like you every day.
Had my moderna booster yesterday, woman collapsed out cold on the way out No side effects for me though.
Strike the fear of god into us, we all go out and get vaccinated, they cleaim the victory. Christ I'm sounding more and more like you every day.
Had my moderna booster yesterday, woman collapsed out cold on the way out
No side effects for me though.
In reply to Post #491
Cleaim victory...
No side effects except you now write in Anglo-Welsh
Cleaim victory...
No side effects except you now write in Anglo-Welsh
In reply to Post #492
In reply to Post #491
Question Vince, Have you had Covid at all?
Question Vince, Have you had Covid at all?
In reply to Post #486
Should have come up the hollybush because as a condition of entry they give them out on the door.
Should have come up the hollybush because as a condition of entry they give them out on the door.
In reply to Post #495
Mrs was in the queue at Gregs yesterday when a woman began questioning a man on why he wasn't wearing a mask. He ignored her but this only made her more irate up to the point where he told her to fcuk off.
At this point the manager of Greg's informed the woman that Gregs will not be making it mandatory to wear one.
She went off with her tail between her legs.
Barking mad, absolutely barking the fear this corrupt government and media have put out there.
Seems the riots will be forthcoming.
At this point the manager of Greg's informed the woman that Gregs will not be making it mandatory to wear one.
She went off with her tail between her legs.
Barking mad, absolutely barking the fear this corrupt government and media have put out there.
Seems the riots will be forthcoming.
In reply to Post #496
In reply to Post #490
Jethro had been suffering from cancer for quite some time, having an NHL cancer which often leave suffers with long term side effects makes you extremely vulnerable to covid as you are effectively immunosuppressed - RIP.
Nobody will have financial security if the country goes into meltdown..
Jethro had been suffering from cancer for quite some time, having an NHL cancer which often leave suffers with long term side effects makes you extremely vulnerable to covid as you are effectively immunosuppressed - RIP.
Nobody will have financial security if the country goes into meltdown..
In reply to Post #494
I don't think so no. Although I've only done about 5 tests in total. I haven't missed a days work throughout and have barely changed my lifestyle. I have probably done 20 flights in the last 2 years as well (work)
I don't think so no. Although I've only done about 5 tests in total. I haven't missed a days work throughout and have barely changed my lifestyle. I have probably done 20 flights in the last 2 years as well (work)
In reply to Post #499
Wait... you mean they're reporting deaths of individuals with severe underlying issues as covid deaths? 😵
You'll notice I said dead, not dead from covid.. but I'm glad somebody proved my point
Wait... you mean they're reporting deaths of individuals with severe underlying issues as covid deaths? 😵
You'll notice I said dead, not dead from covid.. but I'm glad somebody proved my point
In reply to Post #500
Tazi - I bet her name was Karen......
Result Vince.......
Loads been reported like that since it started last year Jon......
Tazi - I bet her name was Karen......
Result Vince.......
Loads been reported like that since it started last year Jon......
In reply to Post #501
They report it as died 'with covid'. But you know that.
They report it as died 'with covid'. But you know that.
In reply to Post #502
I basically don't have many friends Even the other blokes on the lake seem to keep 2m from me voluntarily.
I basically don't have many friends
Even the other blokes on the lake seem to keep 2m from me voluntarily.
In reply to Post #503
In the small print they do mate. You or somebody else said we've had 150k covid deaths the other day, so we're subconsciously using the same logic
In the small print they do mate. You or somebody else said we've had 150k covid deaths the other day, so we're subconsciously using the same logic
In reply to Post #505
They also don't count any deaths after 28 days of a positive test (I think)
They also don't count any deaths after 28 days of a positive test (I think)
In reply to Post #481
Yeah, that's what I heard aswell, not sure how big a lockdown itll be though, and no amount of rioting will stop it
Yeah, that's what I heard aswell, not sure how big a lockdown itll be though, and no amount of rioting will stop it
In reply to Post #507
No but I will get a lovely new TV with surround sound from Currys then down the road to JD Sports get a few new pairs of Adidas trainers
No but I will get a lovely new TV with surround sound from Currys then down the road to JD Sports get a few new pairs of Adidas trainers
In reply to Post #489
The area is also helped by high vaccination rates, with 83 per cent of people having had a second jab and 50 per cent receiving a booster. The national average for a third jab is 40 per cent.
Was this the encouraging bit from that article Wayne?
The area is also helped by high vaccination rates, with 83 per cent of people having had a second jab and 50 per cent receiving a booster. The national average for a third jab is 40 per cent.
Was this the encouraging bit from that article Wayne?
In reply to Post #509
I guess so.......although I'm sure if the % only matched the over 65s it would be encouraging news too!
The rest shows what the BBC is about......
I guess so.......although I'm sure if the % only matched the over 65s it would be encouraging news too!
The rest shows what the BBC is about......
In reply to Post #502
Lots about mate. Was watching a video that was put on Facebook as for the very same reason it kicked off on a train.
Control me harder Bozo.
Lots about mate. Was watching a video that was put on Facebook as for the very same reason it kicked off on a train.
Control me harder Bozo.
In reply to Post #508
I'd probably get and put on the trainers first mate.
I'd probably get and put on the trainers first mate.
In reply to Post #512
Festival Park here we come
Festival Park here we come
In reply to Post #507
I don't think there will be rioting worth writing home about.. it's the fact people will be taking little to no notice of restrictions and if challenged with force they will retaliate.
Also the lecturing and threats will stop pretty sharpish if it's done face to face, it's easy on the internet to be a smart arse. The general public aren't medical professionals, who themselves don't understand covid entirely; yet they'll talk down to anybody who dares question the lifetime of epidemiology training and experience they've squeezed into 2 years.
I don't think there will be rioting worth writing home about.. it's the fact people will be taking little to no notice of restrictions and if challenged with force they will retaliate.
Also the lecturing and threats will stop pretty sharpish if it's done face to face, it's easy on the internet to be a smart arse. The general public aren't medical professionals, who themselves don't understand covid entirely; yet they'll talk down to anybody who dares question the lifetime of epidemiology training and experience they've squeezed into 2 years.
The government is to take over the front and back pages with a wrap around of all newspapers in the U.K. tomorrow, to encourage people to get vaccinated, they've gone full Soviet
In reply to Post #514
My guess is most people would take it seriously, but I can only imagine itll be a half lockdown of sorts, something similar to last year
My guess is most people would take it seriously, but I can only imagine itll be a half lockdown of sorts, something similar to last year
Also the guardian are reporting of a photo that was taken during lockdown, this if true could finish Boris off
In reply to Post #516
A good update by Mr Campbell today
https://youtu.be/84XMFVcLScw
A good update by Mr Campbell today
https://youtu.be/84XMFVcLScw
In reply to Post #517
He's only lasted this long because the tories have no viable alternative.
To be fair he wasn't voted in to deal with a pandemic, you need somebody with balls.
That's testicles, not moth balls. So Corbin would've been as useful as a chocolate fire guard too
He's only lasted this long because the tories have no viable alternative.
To be fair he wasn't voted in to deal with a pandemic, you need somebody with balls.
That's testicles, not moth balls. So Corbin would've been as useful as a chocolate fire guard too
In reply to Post #513
In reply to Post #517
What is it? A photo of Allegra Stratton finishing him off?
What is it? A photo of Allegra Stratton finishing him off?
In reply to Post #521
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020?s=09
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/19/boris-johnson-and-staff-pictured-with-wine-in-downing-street-garden-in-may-2020?s=09
In reply to Post #522
Guardian....... probably photoshopped or taken in 2019.......
Guardian....... probably photoshopped or taken in 2019.......
I predict there will be no mass rioting if there's some form of lockdown, sporadic happenings here and there with people getting uppity maybe, rioting, not so much. Far too many people have installed the download which has corrupted their system bios.
I'm hopeful that this new version of Covid will be the one that is the beginning of the end of this virus and we can all get back to just living again. Something that was encouraging today was something that Sunnak (sp) said about not having to take the SAGE lots advice verbatim. Reading very much between the lines, other than the obvious smokescreen that this Plan B is, I don't think the higher ups are that concerned with this new variant given the lack of deaths etc.
As for Boris, he's on his way out, I'd be hoping that possibly Rees Mogg gets the job of No:10.
I'm hopeful that this new version of Covid will be the one that is the beginning of the end of this virus and we can all get back to just living again. Something that was encouraging today was something that Sunnak (sp) said about not having to take the SAGE lots advice verbatim. Reading very much between the lines, other than the obvious smokescreen that this Plan B is, I don't think the higher ups are that concerned with this new variant given the lack of deaths etc.
As for Boris, he's on his way out, I'd be hoping that possibly Rees Mogg gets the job of No:10.
In reply to Post #524
Not to go off track, but I'm genuinely interested in what appeal JRM has for you?
The rest of your post I totally agree btw.
Not to go off track, but I'm genuinely interested in what appeal JRM has for you?
The rest of your post I totally agree btw.
In reply to Post #525
I could be totally wrong in my assumptions of Mogg, I think he's a man logic and reason and not easily swayed like Johnson is. Johnson bends with a gentle breeze, I don't think Mogg is that sort of character, he also seems a traditionalist and wants to conserve which I think is something seriously lacking in the conservative party of today, I mean, what exactly are the conservatives actually conserving other than cronyism, nepatism and the continuation of the status quo?
I could be totally wrong in my assumptions of Mogg, I think he's a man logic and reason and not easily swayed like Johnson is. Johnson bends with a gentle breeze, I don't think Mogg is that sort of character, he also seems a traditionalist and wants to conserve which I think is something seriously lacking in the conservative party of today, I mean, what exactly are the conservatives actually conserving other than cronyism, nepatism and the continuation of the status quo?
In reply to Post #522
Boris can get ****ed, I had a mate with a newborn crying down the phone saying they were getting no help and had been laid off in the first lockdown and I helped him out, those ****s sitting around having pizza and wine whilst people were waving at their dying relatives through windows? Nah, the geezers got to go.
Boris can get ****ed, I had a mate with a newborn crying down the phone saying they were getting no help and had been laid off in the first lockdown and I helped him out, those ****s sitting around having pizza and wine whilst people were waving at their dying relatives through windows? Nah, the geezers got to go.
In reply to Post #526
The only things I don't like about Mogg are his voting record, his political views being driven by his religion, the fact he is a millionaire who avoids paying tax and that he looks like a haunted pencil.
Oh and that he's a Eurosceptic.
Apart from that he's a straight up bloke.
The only things I don't like about Mogg are his voting record, his political views being driven by his religion, the fact he is a millionaire who avoids paying tax and that he looks like a haunted pencil.
Oh and that he's a Eurosceptic.
Apart from that he's a straight up bloke.
Brian May and Anita Dobson recovering from Covid after going to a Triple vaccinated only party........Brian claims he was very careful and in a bubble as such!
Speculation surrounding Il Divo singer and the fact he was recently given his booster then taken ill with Covid.
Boris must be having a mare........go with Whitty and his slides and face a mass Tory revolt or do nothing and chance things turn out like in SA
Speculation surrounding Il Divo singer and the fact he was recently given his booster then taken ill with Covid.
Boris must be having a mare........go with Whitty and his slides and face a mass Tory revolt or do nothing and chance things turn out like in SA
In reply to Post #529
My heart bleeds for him. He wanted the job so he can do it.
My heart bleeds for him. He wanted the job so he can do it.
In reply to Post #529
Wayne, everyone is getting Covid, it has nothing to do with people being boosted, or your 'speculation'.
My brother in law was tested positive for the virus on Sat... He is incredibly ill at home. His vaccine booster was meant to be today.
Wayne, everyone is getting Covid, it has nothing to do with people being boosted, or your 'speculation'.
My brother in law was tested positive for the virus on Sat... He is incredibly ill at home. His vaccine booster was meant to be today.
In reply to Post #529
Wayne, do you think you gave it to many people while you thought you had a bad cold which was, in fact, Covid, given your refusal to wear a mask?
Wayne, do you think you gave it to many people while you thought you had a bad cold which was, in fact, Covid, given your refusal to wear a mask?
In reply to Post #532
My doctor said I had a bad cold Jon as I wasn't displaying Covid symptoms at first (9 days) and I only went out to Waitrose although I kept my distance from people so probably not......
Had I been wearing a paper mask and sneezed then I would have probably sent particles into the air anyway wouldn't I.......
Hope Your family member gets better soon Mark.
My doctor said I had a bad cold Jon as I wasn't displaying Covid symptoms at first (9 days) and I only went out to Waitrose although I kept my distance from people so probably not......
Had I been wearing a paper mask and sneezed then I would have probably sent particles into the air anyway wouldn't I.......
Hope Your family member gets better soon Mark.
In reply to Post #533
In reply to Post #531
I'd agree with that Mark, I currently know 6 people who have it, three who are ill (flu like symptoms and nothing too horrendous-touch wood) and three who have tested positive and no symptoms whatsoever.
Hopefully this new variant is one of the mutation out of the pandemic.
I'd agree with that Mark, I currently know 6 people who have it, three who are ill (flu like symptoms and nothing too horrendous-touch wood) and three who have tested positive and no symptoms whatsoever.
Hopefully this new variant is one of the mutation out of the pandemic.
In reply to Post #535
Wouldnt that be lovely?
It sweeps in. Kicks our arse for a couple of years.
Then ****s off.
Wouldnt that be lovely?
It sweeps in. Kicks our arse for a couple of years.
Then ****s off.
Data coming in suggests the new variant has a fatality rate lesser than seasonal flu..
If this variant is the beginning of the end to the madness, I think there will be a lot of people with obsessive covid pandemic withdrawal... perhaps just one more booster please, another variant please.
If this variant is the beginning of the end to the madness, I think there will be a lot of people with obsessive covid pandemic withdrawal... perhaps just one more booster please, another variant please.
In reply to Post #537
Whatever your beliefs, nobody is really benefiting from covid being around other than big pharmaceutical companies so 95% would be absolutely delighted to see it piss off for good! Don't confuse genuine fear for obsessiveness.
Whatever your beliefs, nobody is really benefiting from covid being around other than big pharmaceutical companies so 95% would be absolutely delighted to see it piss off for good! Don't confuse genuine fear for obsessiveness.
Genuine fear wouldn't be flying abroad on holiday, going down the pub, football matches, Olympics, European football tournaments, government parties etc etc etc. Genuine fear and genuine deadly high risk illness doesn't match up to what's happening.
Been trying to stay off these type threads but one for the conspiracy/new order/globalisation theorists.
Why are the boosters only Pfizer or Moderna at vastly inflated prices but not Astra Zenaca at cost plus a little bit?
The gravy train rolls on and until the money runs out there will be no end to new mutations, etc...
Had a really bad cold?flu with all the signs of Covid 8 weeks ago did as was told isolated and ordered a PCR test. This came back negative the next day, 3 days later after spending 4 hours snotting, coughing up phlegm and wrenching into the toilet called 111 only to be told by doctor that i have had Covid but the tests are only 85% correct. A day later felt like the whole world lifted off my shoulders and was right as rain but still haven't got my sense of smell and taste back fully. All through this my mrs slept in same bed and as she works from home every where else 24 hours a day. She didn't get a sniffle. 2 weeks later she gets a sore throat and cold and manages 4 days later to pass it to me with a sore throat, headache and cough. FFS what's going on?
Insult to injury on day of coming down with original thing i get a text to get my booster. So having had 3 vaccinations, flu jab, possibly Covid, and worked part time throughout the last 2 years, although the government forgot to tell me i should be shielding. What more can i do?
Why are the boosters only Pfizer or Moderna at vastly inflated prices but not Astra Zenaca at cost plus a little bit?
The gravy train rolls on and until the money runs out there will be no end to new mutations, etc...
Had a really bad cold?flu with all the signs of Covid 8 weeks ago did as was told isolated and ordered a PCR test. This came back negative the next day, 3 days later after spending 4 hours snotting, coughing up phlegm and wrenching into the toilet called 111 only to be told by doctor that i have had Covid but the tests are only 85% correct. A day later felt like the whole world lifted off my shoulders and was right as rain but still haven't got my sense of smell and taste back fully. All through this my mrs slept in same bed and as she works from home every where else 24 hours a day. She didn't get a sniffle. 2 weeks later she gets a sore throat and cold and manages 4 days later to pass it to me with a sore throat, headache and cough. FFS what's going on?
Insult to injury on day of coming down with original thing i get a text to get my booster. So having had 3 vaccinations, flu jab, possibly Covid, and worked part time throughout the last 2 years, although the government forgot to tell me i should be shielding. What more can i do?
In reply to Post #540
I'm firmly in the camp of we're all adults, nobody is doubting covid exists anymore, we just have to be adults and be sensible. I'll wear a mask and be conscious of other people but these lockdowns need to go.
The Jabs clearly don't work for transmission, the jabs don't prevent lockdown, masks do next to **** all, it's all placebo. We HAVE to get on with it not, Boris clearly thinks the same the way he carries on so I'll be doing the same. Shaggy haired no good *****.
I'm firmly in the camp of we're all adults, nobody is doubting covid exists anymore, we just have to be adults and be sensible. I'll wear a mask and be conscious of other people but these lockdowns need to go.
The Jabs clearly don't work for transmission, the jabs don't prevent lockdown, masks do next to **** all, it's all placebo. We HAVE to get on with it not, Boris clearly thinks the same the way he carries on so I'll be doing the same. Shaggy haired no good *****.
In reply to Post #541
Masks do work, unfortunately they are only as good as the end user
1) As seen, planks on here don't wear them, thus transmission takes place.
2) Not everybody wears their masks properly, many walk about with it below their nose or even below their chin.
3) Not all face covering are created equal, as seen by those that decide to just wear a woollen scarf.
4) Masks are effective, but can't cut transmissions to zero. There will always be some transmission.
5) People don't wear masks in their own house, so somebody gets the virus, goes home and infects their family.
6) Bearing in mind that people aren't going to wear masks their own house, in the poorer areas, you have often have multi-generational families. So not only the traditional unit of mum, dad and kids live in the dwelling, but also grandparents, uncles, aunties etc. Thus, if one person catches it and goes home, they infect numerous others in the dwelling
Masks do work, unfortunately they are only as good as the end user
1) As seen, planks on here don't wear them, thus transmission takes place.
2) Not everybody wears their masks properly, many walk about with it below their nose or even below their chin.
3) Not all face covering are created equal, as seen by those that decide to just wear a woollen scarf.
4) Masks are effective, but can't cut transmissions to zero. There will always be some transmission.
5) People don't wear masks in their own house, so somebody gets the virus, goes home and infects their family.
6) Bearing in mind that people aren't going to wear masks their own house, in the poorer areas, you have often have multi-generational families. So not only the traditional unit of mum, dad and kids live in the dwelling, but also grandparents, uncles, aunties etc. Thus, if one person catches it and goes home, they infect numerous others in the dwelling
In reply to Post #542
So basically they don't work then
So basically they don't work then
In reply to Post #543
Again they are only as good as what the end user want them to be. You can get some which are 99.99% effective, or you can use your sleeve which is probably about 2% effective.
Again they are only as good as what the end user want them to be. You can get some which are 99.99% effective, or you can use your sleeve which is probably about 2% effective.
In reply to Post #543
They are not Fool proof
They are not Fool proof
In reply to Post #541
Vaccines do cut transmission. By reducing the viral load and cutting the length of time someone is capable of passing the virus on.
Story in the Telegraph about anti-vaxxers booking slots for vaccines they have no intention of using so preventing people who actually want or need them from getting jabbed. Nice way to underline a belief in freedom of choice. .
Vaccines do cut transmission. By reducing the viral load and cutting the length of time someone is capable of passing the virus on.
Story in the Telegraph about anti-vaxxers booking slots for vaccines they have no intention of using so preventing people who actually want or need them from getting jabbed. Nice way to underline a belief in freedom of choice. .
In reply to Post #542
Unless you're wearing a full NBC suit or full hazmat suit, with gloves and that you do not use them again and use a new set every time, plus you fully disinfectant your food and it's packaging or anything else that others and then you come into contact with, you're basically pissing in the wind.
I've heard the analogy by an eminent scientist describe the effectiveness of those paper mask things that most wear. The analogy he gave was that imagine a house with scaffolding up and that you had a bag of marbles and threw them at the house, some would hit the scaffold poles, most would miss, that's how effective those masks are against a virus like this one.
If you wanna wear your face nappy and have it be some comfort to you like a comfort blanket, crack on.
Unless you're wearing a full NBC suit or full hazmat suit, with gloves and that you do not use them again and use a new set every time, plus you fully disinfectant your food and it's packaging or anything else that others and then you come into contact with, you're basically pissing in the wind.
I've heard the analogy by an eminent scientist describe the effectiveness of those paper mask things that most wear. The analogy he gave was that imagine a house with scaffolding up and that you had a bag of marbles and threw them at the house, some would hit the scaffold poles, most would miss, that's how effective those masks are against a virus like this one.
If you wanna wear your face nappy and have it be some comfort to you like a comfort blanket, crack on.
In reply to Post #546
Hadn't read that article or was aware that people are doing what you mention. That's very selfish act, even though I think the vax is well dodge. Whatever my personal beliefs, I'd never stand in the way of someone wanting to carry out what they deem fit for themselves.
Hadn't read that article or was aware that people are doing what you mention. That's very selfish act, even though I think the vax is well dodge. Whatever my personal beliefs, I'd never stand in the way of someone wanting to carry out what they deem fit for themselves.
In reply to Post #545
Nothing is full proof, well except me blanking on my next trip out. But masks do work, it's just the effectiveness people need to know about.
Nothing is full proof, well except me blanking on my next trip out. But masks do work, it's just the effectiveness people need to know about.
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In reply to Post #542
Andy, proper masks with the valves work.......those paper things don't in enclosed spaces if you sneeze or cough......virus particles simply go out the sides or top......bearing in mind how transmissible OMi is then it's not going to take a lot of those airborne particles to infect someone.......
Andy, proper masks with the valves work.......those paper things don't in enclosed spaces if you sneeze or cough......virus particles simply go out the sides or top......bearing in mind how transmissible OMi is then it's not going to take a lot of those airborne particles to infect someone.......
In reply to Post #551
Those paper ones from what I have read are about 15-20% effective, which is quite a bit more than just f##k all, which has been mentioned. The multi layered ones which have a removable filter are probably one of the better ones to wear especially as they are reasonably cheap. You pays your money you takes your choice I suppose
Those paper ones from what I have read are about 15-20% effective, which is quite a bit more than just f##k all, which has been mentioned. The multi layered ones which have a removable filter are probably one of the better ones to wear especially as they are reasonably cheap. You pays your money you takes your choice I suppose
In reply to Post #551
Have you even sneezed into your hand and immediately regretted not using a handkerchief as a big blob of wet snot lays nestled in the lines of your palm?
Oh, and a mask with a valve only helps the wearer, not the poor sods you breathe your germs on.
Have you even sneezed into your hand and immediately regretted not using a handkerchief as a big blob of wet snot lays nestled in the lines of your palm?
Oh, and a mask with a valve only helps the wearer, not the poor sods you breathe your germs on.
I wear a mask in the supermarket to save the staff and customers feeling awkward
I rarely bother in the petrol station except one I went in with big mandatory mask signs, asked for a couple of free ones if he had them for me and my mate. Sure he said, **** then charged me £1.25 for 2 blue paper ones and about 6 people came in without one
I rarely bother in the petrol station except one I went in with big mandatory mask signs, asked for a couple of free ones if he had them for me and my mate. Sure he said, **** then charged me £1.25 for 2 blue paper ones and about 6 people came in without one
In reply to Post #552
Presumably that's 15 to 20% effective in prevention of infection for the wearer but its logical that it would be much more effective if worn by an infected person to prevent transmission at the source.
Presumably that's 15 to 20% effective in prevention of infection for the wearer but its logical that it would be much more effective if worn by an infected person to prevent transmission at the source.
Oh good grief...
Still the same guff about masks?
It's simple. A mask is 0 per cent effective if not worn. Once put on then there is a measurable increase in the efficiency in terms of transmission for the wearer and for others. And any increase is a good thing.
Ffs
Condoms aren't 100 per cent effective either - I expect if some of you asked your parents they'd back that up...
Still the same guff about masks?
It's simple. A mask is 0 per cent effective if not worn. Once put on then there is a measurable increase in the efficiency in terms of transmission for the wearer and for others. And any increase is a good thing.
Ffs
Condoms aren't 100 per cent effective either - I expect if some of you asked your parents they'd back that up...
In reply to Post #547
That doesn't read like an eminent scientists analogy lol
The scaffolding reference is a giveaway...
That doesn't read like an eminent scientists analogy lol
The scaffolding reference is a giveaway...
Don't wear them any longer and if folk have a problem with that then they're the ones that continue to be ruled by fear. I suppose in a way it's a positive moving on from behind that sofa.
Alternatively if one wants to wear one then crack on.
Alternatively if one wants to wear one then crack on.
Was thinking of dressing up in some sort of astronaut clothing with signs of ‘covid won't get me' on my back. All for charity though, anyone be interested in sponsoring me?.
In reply to Post #559
You might be joking but... I genuinely saw an advert for '5G protection suits' with a photo of two loons in what appeared to be hooded versions of the overalls I used to wear in the shipyard...
You might be joking but... I genuinely saw an advert for '5G protection suits' with a photo of two loons in what appeared to be hooded versions of the overalls I used to wear in the shipyard...
In reply to Post #558
It's ironic that apparently the ones who wear the masks are living in fear, but the big brave antis are too scared to take a little jab, funny old world ain't it
It's ironic that apparently the ones who wear the masks are living in fear, but the big brave antis are too scared to take a little jab, funny old world ain't it
In reply to Post #561
,,'living in fear' or 'basic common sense '
I guess it depends on your personal perspectives eh?
,,'living in fear' or 'basic common sense '
I guess it depends on your personal perspectives eh?
In reply to Post #562
Very true
Very true
In reply to Post #556
I wear a mask, just do as asked.
I don't give a hoot what Boris / government is accused to have done, at some point they'll fall on their sword.
I've not even had a cold since this covid has started so it says to me masks must have some effect, I've not had covid either.
I wear a mask, just do as asked.
I don't give a hoot what Boris / government is accused to have done, at some point they'll fall on their sword.
I've not even had a cold since this covid has started so it says to me masks must have some effect, I've not had covid either.
In reply to Post #561
What a daft nonsensical comparison.
You crack on with your endless boosting like a heroin addict to the moon and I'll just sit back all comfy and watch the live test experiment unfold.
Still not getting it.
What a daft nonsensical comparison.
You crack on with your endless boosting like a heroin addict to the moon and I'll just sit back all comfy and watch the live test experiment unfold.
Still not getting it.
In reply to Post #560
I can't remember where I read it but some 5g protection bracelets were actually radioactive
I don't think it's fair to brand somebody a coward for not having the vaccine. It's not about bravery
I can't remember where I read it but some 5g protection bracelets were actually radioactive
I don't think it's fair to brand somebody a coward for not having the vaccine. It's not about bravery
In reply to Post #565
I totally understand people not wanting the jab, personal choice. But refusing to wear a mask is just stupid. It takes **** all to wear a mask. Most people spend their whole lives doing something they'd rather not (work). So why kick off about a mask? Even if it makes 1% difference, just wear the thing ffs.
And as for people who take the piss about those that do I.e. "face nappy" (TeeCee).... **** off you absolute ****. Grow up.
I totally understand people not wanting the jab, personal choice. But refusing to wear a mask is just stupid. It takes **** all to wear a mask. Most people spend their whole lives doing something they'd rather not (work). So why kick off about a mask? Even if it makes 1% difference, just wear the thing ffs.
And as for people who take the piss about those that do I.e. "face nappy" (TeeCee).... **** off you absolute ****. Grow up.
In reply to Post #564
Wait until you do have a cold Jason.......
Surely people remember being told some virus and bacteria exposure is good for you, with all the hand cleaning and mask wearing over the last 2 years small previous bugs and viruses are now far worse.
Wear a mask or don't...I don't mind...BUT I'm not playing this game no more and am doing what is best for ME and my Noggin......some people say selfish blah blah.......I say get to **** and if you don't like it **** off some more.......
Wait until you do have a cold Jason.......
Surely people remember being told some virus and bacteria exposure is good for you, with all the hand cleaning and mask wearing over the last 2 years small previous bugs and viruses are now far worse.
Wear a mask or don't...I don't mind...BUT I'm not playing this game no more and am doing what is best for ME and my Noggin......some people say selfish blah blah.......I say get to **** and if you don't like it **** off some more.......
In reply to Post #565
It doesnt particularly hurt, and you can even get a sticker to show what a big brave boy you've been 😂
It doesnt particularly hurt, and you can even get a sticker to show what a big brave boy you've been 😂
In reply to Post #568
You do realise that what's best for you is wearing a mask right?
As for the 'getting some germs is good for you' point, then you can rest assured that as we are constantly reminded, some germs might still get through.
BTW - I watched the matrix again last night. Is it the virtual existence or the robot jellyfish that you're worried about?
You do realise that what's best for you is wearing a mask right?
As for the 'getting some germs is good for you' point, then you can rest assured that as we are constantly reminded, some germs might still get through.
BTW - I watched the matrix again last night. Is it the virtual existence or the robot jellyfish that you're worried about?
In reply to Post #570
Not when I have had Covid Twice Mal..........what's good for me is feeling normal again in this ****ed up world! Not wearing a mask is part of that normality!
Some germs yes Mal, better to have a full dose though like you have had all your life ain't it......
Not when I have had Covid Twice Mal..........what's good for me is feeling normal again in this ****ed up world! Not wearing a mask is part of that normality!
Some germs yes Mal, better to have a full dose though like you have had all your life ain't it......
In reply to Post #568
I had norovirus one year and that completely wiped me out to me that's the daddy of all bugs.
I get the flu jab every year so not really suffered that badly for years though yep will be interesting to see going forward.
I guess as long as they get the vaccine right for whatever variant of flu I should be ok 👍🏼
I had norovirus one year and that completely wiped me out to me that's the daddy of all bugs.
I get the flu jab every year so not really suffered that badly for years though yep will be interesting to see going forward.
I guess as long as they get the vaccine right for whatever variant of flu I should be ok 👍🏼
In reply to Post #567
In reply to Post #571
I thought it was 3 times....
I thought it was 3 times....
In reply to Post #574
You obviously haven't been listening Mal......which is not surprising.......
You obviously haven't been listening Mal......which is not surprising.......
In reply to Post #575
Was hoping for a bigger bite than that tbh
Was hoping for a bigger bite than that tbh
In reply to Post #574
If only there was something out there that could be used to help people from catching covid and being unwell 🤔
If only there was something out there that could be used to help people from catching covid and being unwell 🤔
In reply to Post #561
I'm double jabbed and wear a mask, not living in fear, infact I have only been jabbed and wear masks for other people to feel comfortable around me really. Let's face it though and have it right, nearly everyone is jabbed and wearing masks and we've got the highest ever cases. They're not working are they
I'm double jabbed and wear a mask, not living in fear, infact I have only been jabbed and wear masks for other people to feel comfortable around me really. Let's face it though and have it right, nearly everyone is jabbed and wearing masks and we've got the highest ever cases. They're not working are they
In reply to Post #577
These vaccines were not designed to stop you from catching Covid, their purpose was to lessen the symptoms.
From some of the literature I've briefly read, the long term effects of these spike protein producing trial drugs are not promising at all. Time will tell on how it all pans out I suppose.
If people want to get this stuff put into them, then so be it, that's their choice.
These vaccines were not designed to stop you from catching Covid, their purpose was to lessen the symptoms.
From some of the literature I've briefly read, the long term effects of these spike protein producing trial drugs are not promising at all. Time will tell on how it all pans out I suppose.
If people want to get this stuff put into them, then so be it, that's their choice.
In reply to Post #578
No you're right, I mean there was only 4000 people in intensive care in December, and only 900 now with record numbers of infections, definitely not working though
No you're right, I mean there was only 4000 people in intensive care in December, and only 900 now with record numbers of infections, definitely not working though
In reply to Post #580
What's your point Andy, the Jab working, masks working.......or both.......
What's your point Andy, the Jab working, masks working.......or both.......
In reply to Post #578
The reason why cases are so high in the uk is people are not social distancing not wearing face masks not sanitising, many simply. let there guard down.
Look around Europe, Italy, Germany, France they don't have the case levels we do...
The reason why cases are so high in the uk is people are not social distancing not wearing face masks not sanitising, many simply. let there guard down.
Look around Europe, Italy, Germany, France they don't have the case levels we do...
In reply to Post #582
Its exactly that, think we've all been guilty of it recently
Its exactly that, think we've all been guilty of it recently
In reply to Post #579
The long term effects of living oh well at some point we all come to an end eh
There is so much crap on the internet and none of us are medically qualified to make any sense of it, I'll just trust the science and leave x files at home.
The long term effects of living oh well at some point we all come to an end eh
There is so much crap on the internet and none of us are medically qualified to make any sense of it, I'll just trust the science and leave x files at home.
In reply to Post #573
Back to your old self I see you childish ****
Back to your old self I see you childish ****
In reply to Post #585
In reply to Post #586
Is that you on the right?
Is that you on the right?
In reply to Post #583
How can you say it's all working.
We've had two vaccines and now need a third then a fourth
We wore and wear masks
We've locked down
Cases are through the roof, it doesn't work. Jab up the ones that are likely to die and let it rampage and mutate (hopefully) weaker with the rest of us. It's the only way out of this, we went out to eat this evening to support our favourite pub and they're distraught, they can't order their Christmas food or beer because last year they paid £10k out and didn't use it.
How can you say it's all working.
We've had two vaccines and now need a third then a fourth
We wore and wear masks
We've locked down
Cases are through the roof, it doesn't work. Jab up the ones that are likely to die and let it rampage and mutate (hopefully) weaker with the rest of us. It's the only way out of this, we went out to eat this evening to support our favourite pub and they're distraught, they can't order their Christmas food or beer because last year they paid £10k out and didn't use it.
In reply to Post #560
Total loons.
Still, I'm up raising a few bob for charity....
Total loons.
Still, I'm up raising a few bob for charity....
2 jabs and a booster later and there's still talk of yet another lockdown.
They've really done the trick.
They've really done the trick.
In reply to Post #588
The data doesnt lie, there is only 1/5 of the amount in ICU beds with covid compared to last year with greater amount of infections.
Masks do work, I can get one tomorrow if I wanted that was 100% effective.
Lockdowns do work, even though they are sh#t, because in simpleton terms, if you stop people from mixing then it cant spread
The data doesnt lie, there is only 1/5 of the amount in ICU beds with covid compared to last year with greater amount of infections.
Masks do work, I can get one tomorrow if I wanted that was 100% effective.
Lockdowns do work, even though they are sh#t, because in simpleton terms, if you stop people from mixing then it cant spread
In reply to Post #591
Lockdown 1 just about worked, these half hearted “let's shut the pubs” lockdowns don't? All the time kids are at school and men are on building sites, it might slow it but it's kicking the can down the street, as it stands we're going round in circles hoping for a different outcome.
Lockdown 1 just about worked, these half hearted “let's shut the pubs” lockdowns don't? All the time kids are at school and men are on building sites, it might slow it but it's kicking the can down the street, as it stands we're going round in circles hoping for a different outcome.
In reply to Post #593
I read somewhere that currently 40% of cases are asymptomatic and pregnant women are disproportionately represented as carriers. Coincidental that they are testing asymptotically positive at a higher rate when they are visiting/testing monthly/bimonthly for their unrelated ‘condition'? (And often have other children in school or nursery=more testing)
This is one reason I wouldn't take a test, it's skewing the data used to model restrictions on. Surely higher proportions of asymptomatic positives is a positive?
It's obviously important to understanding the prevalence of covid, but if all you're doing is testing people with symptoms or in high risk settings like hospitals and schools, it goes without saying cases and divisive ‘news' will be easy to come by. Especially in winter when people are admitted for unrelated issues.
And I bet you all wish you could retract the claps on a Thursday for the 200k who won't have a jab
I read somewhere that currently 40% of cases are asymptomatic and pregnant women are disproportionately represented as carriers. Coincidental that they are testing asymptotically positive at a higher rate when they are visiting/testing monthly/bimonthly for their unrelated ‘condition'? (And often have other children in school or nursery=more testing)
This is one reason I wouldn't take a test, it's skewing the data used to model restrictions on. Surely higher proportions of asymptomatic positives is a positive?
It's obviously important to understanding the prevalence of covid, but if all you're doing is testing people with symptoms or in high risk settings like hospitals and schools, it goes without saying cases and divisive ‘news' will be easy to come by. Especially in winter when people are admitted for unrelated issues.
And I bet you all wish you could retract the claps on a Thursday for the 200k who won't have a jab
In reply to Post #594
There's been a few articles recently which have all pointed out that the modelling the govt use is very basic, and nearly always set on worst case or at the very least, pessamistic scenarios.
It should also be said that the mathematical models that they use are really just estimates based loosely on some data and not actual prediction models. When people quote these over simplified doomsday predictions people like you rightly lose faith. I just ignore the pessamism and carry on.
Remember the goal is to gain immunity through a mixture of infection and vaccination. Any restrictions they put in place are to slow the spread, not stop it...
But yes to your point Noj, when the schools went back in September the cases went through the roof. Partly due to testing.
EDIT: I have just seen your link AFTER writing this post!
There's been a few articles recently which have all pointed out that the modelling the govt use is very basic, and nearly always set on worst case or at the very least, pessamistic scenarios.
It should also be said that the mathematical models that they use are really just estimates based loosely on some data and not actual prediction models. When people quote these over simplified doomsday predictions people like you rightly lose faith. I just ignore the pessamism and carry on.
Remember the goal is to gain immunity through a mixture of infection and vaccination. Any restrictions they put in place are to slow the spread, not stop it...
But yes to your point Noj, when the schools went back in September the cases went through the roof. Partly due to testing.
EDIT: I have just seen your link AFTER writing this post!
In reply to Post #591
Lockdowns cause massive mental health problems
Lockdowns cause massive educational disruption
Lockdowns hinder/delay other vital medical treatment
Lockdowns cause job losses
Lockdowns cause people to lose their businesses and homes
and most importantly
Lockdowns dont work, they just delay the inevitable.
Lockdowns cause massive mental health problems
Lockdowns cause massive educational disruption
Lockdowns hinder/delay other vital medical treatment
Lockdowns cause job losses
Lockdowns cause people to lose their businesses and homes
and most importantly
Lockdowns dont work, they just delay the inevitable.
In reply to Post #596
Absolutely correct.
I quoted this below but it's VERY relevant.
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome” Albert Einstein.
Absolutely correct.
I quoted this below but it's VERY relevant.
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome” Albert Einstein.
In reply to Post #596
Playing devil's advocate...
Apart from the final one, you could easily replace 'lockdowns ' with 'covid 19'....
Playing devil's advocate...
Apart from the final one, you could easily replace 'lockdowns ' with 'covid 19'....
In reply to Post #598
That is true Mal, but covid doesnt affect EVERYONE, lockdowns do
That is true Mal, but covid doesnt affect EVERYONE, lockdowns do
In reply to Post #598
Nope.......how does Covid cause education problems? Let the kids catch it as data proves there at near zero risk and schools remain open!
With lockdowns I do wonder why they pick on hairdressers? I mean most are tiny and less risk than a supermarket or is it to make us feel like **** further with us all having the appearance of Mal........
Nope.......how does Covid cause education problems? Let the kids catch it as data proves there at near zero risk and schools remain open!
With lockdowns I do wonder why they pick on hairdressers? I mean most are tiny and less risk than a supermarket or is it to make us feel like **** further with us all having the appearance of Mal........
listened to radio 5 all the way in this morning and they were talking about the covid issue in London and had an intensive care doctor on from a London hospital and he confirmed that 4 out of 5 (80%) of all covid admissions is for non vaccinated people, the other 20% is mainly made up of people with immune deficiency issues. The doctor was speaking as a representative of intensive care doctors.
The Omicron variant currently does not account for many cases in hospitals but the affect will be seen in the next few weeks and this is currently an unknown as we don't know how badly people will be affected by it.
So thanks mainly due to people that have decided to not be vaccinated the hospitals are filling up now, to have the vaccine then is to late and sadly some then die due to Covid. If this trend continues and hospitals get overrun with Covid patients there will have to be a lockdown in order to protect the NHS and stop other people from dying as a result of Covid patients over running hospitals. If it was only people that medically can't be vaccinated that were getting Covid badly then we wouldn't see anything like the numbers we are - I'd wager that the people that can't have the vaccine for genuine reasons are taking the most care they can to protect themselves in every way possible..
Nobody in their right mind would allow the NHS to be overrun by Covid and if the Government need to take action to protect the NHS and public health then they will have no choice but to do so. The choice will be taken out of their hands and currently you can point a finger at the non vaccinated.
Yes, the antivacc brigade would like to argue every single point but the facts are easy to see and quite obvious. Nobody (unless you have been asleep for the last 2 years) can argue they didn't know how severe Covid can be or that they have not been advised to get themselves protected as you then help to protect the people you come into contact with as well as yourself.
The Omicron variant currently does not account for many cases in hospitals but the affect will be seen in the next few weeks and this is currently an unknown as we don't know how badly people will be affected by it.
So thanks mainly due to people that have decided to not be vaccinated the hospitals are filling up now, to have the vaccine then is to late and sadly some then die due to Covid. If this trend continues and hospitals get overrun with Covid patients there will have to be a lockdown in order to protect the NHS and stop other people from dying as a result of Covid patients over running hospitals. If it was only people that medically can't be vaccinated that were getting Covid badly then we wouldn't see anything like the numbers we are - I'd wager that the people that can't have the vaccine for genuine reasons are taking the most care they can to protect themselves in every way possible..
Nobody in their right mind would allow the NHS to be overrun by Covid and if the Government need to take action to protect the NHS and public health then they will have no choice but to do so. The choice will be taken out of their hands and currently you can point a finger at the non vaccinated.
Yes, the antivacc brigade would like to argue every single point but the facts are easy to see and quite obvious. Nobody (unless you have been asleep for the last 2 years) can argue they didn't know how severe Covid can be or that they have not been advised to get themselves protected as you then help to protect the people you come into contact with as well as yourself.
In reply to Post #601
Hidden agenda maybe? Bradders spoke to a doctor a few weeks ago who said the opposite?
I cannot find any official data about unvaccinated people filling hospitals, what I can find though is loads of newspapers saying it......
Hidden agenda maybe? Bradders spoke to a doctor a few weeks ago who said the opposite?
I cannot find any official data about unvaccinated people filling hospitals, what I can find though is loads of newspapers saying it......
In reply to Post #600
My cunning plan revealed!
I shall be lord of the scruffy heads!
Btw - missing school because you have COVID disrupts your education. I mean, that's an easy one.
And benyel- lockdowns don't affect everyone. Ask the Tories....
My cunning plan revealed!
I shall be lord of the scruffy heads!
Btw - missing school because you have COVID disrupts your education. I mean, that's an easy one.
And benyel- lockdowns don't affect everyone. Ask the Tories....
In reply to Post #600
"Let the kids catch it." If it's all the same I'd rather my daughter didn't catch it unnecessarily, but that's just me
"Let the kids catch it." If it's all the same I'd rather my daughter didn't catch it unnecessarily, but that's just me
In reply to Post #604
Why Andy? Underlying health issue? Do you not feel your simply delaying the inevitable?
Why Andy? Underlying health issue? Do you not feel your simply delaying the inevitable?
In reply to Post #601
There's 1200+ hospitals in England and 6600ish patients WITH covid.
Average that out and tell me this doctor's 80% lie again knowing the truth about the numbers you are quoting.
Don't go throwing blame about because you listened to a radio show. Open your mind, not just webpages and newspapers
There's 1200+ hospitals in England and 6600ish patients WITH covid.
Average that out and tell me this doctor's 80% lie again knowing the truth about the numbers you are quoting.
Don't go throwing blame about because you listened to a radio show. Open your mind, not just webpages and newspapers
I started with what I thought was end of term flu on Saturday...
Felt worse on Sunday. Tested. Positive.
Breathing is the real issue right now. Feels a bit like a very prolonged asthma attack
Now isolating of course - Christmas plans scuppered (dinner and quality time with my lady and the kids at her mums)
Will come out of isolating just in time to go back to work... you couldn't make it up
Felt worse on Sunday. Tested. Positive.
Breathing is the real issue right now. Feels a bit like a very prolonged asthma attack
Now isolating of course - Christmas plans scuppered (dinner and quality time with my lady and the kids at her mums)
Will come out of isolating just in time to go back to work... you couldn't make it up
In reply to Post #607
Sorry to hear that Mal
Sorry to hear that Mal
In reply to Post #607
Great way to describe the feeling Mal. That feeling lasted for 7 solid days with me then stopped and started for days. Touchwood but I have not had it for 3 days now! I suspect it lasted longer than it should through a touch of anxiety about my heart!
Get well soon Mal......
Great way to describe the feeling Mal. That feeling lasted for 7 solid days with me then stopped and started for days. Touchwood but I have not had it for 3 days now! I suspect it lasted longer than it should through a touch of anxiety about my heart!
Get well soon Mal......
In reply to Post #605
Dont think any parent would want their child to catch covid if they could help it, with or without any medical condition
Dont think any parent would want their child to catch covid if they could help it, with or without any medical condition
How even one person can say that lockdowns do not work is beyond me.....
The government should be sending subcontractors to every house in the country to cut 1 inch off the bottom of every front door in order to slide oatcakes with a choice of two fillings underneath 3 times a day until 2035 and then reassess the situation.
The government should be sending subcontractors to every house in the country to cut 1 inch off the bottom of every front door in order to slide oatcakes with a choice of two fillings underneath 3 times a day until 2035 and then reassess the situation.
In reply to Post #610
Why? You keep quoting data Andy, have you looked at the data for children with Covid and it's effect?
Can I ask you......are you afraid of catching Covid? Are you afraid of your child catching Covid?
Why? You keep quoting data Andy, have you looked at the data for children with Covid and it's effect?
Can I ask you......are you afraid of catching Covid? Are you afraid of your child catching Covid?
In reply to Post #612
Not afraid of it, but again genuinely cant see why any parent would "want" their child to catch covid
Not afraid of it, but again genuinely cant see why any parent would "want" their child to catch covid
In reply to Post #607
Get well soon Mal.
Super immunity anyone??
A study by the University of Oregon's school of medicine has found that people who are double vaccinated and then contract COVID-19 develop super antibodies.
Roll your blouse sleeves up girlies
Get well soon Mal.
Super immunity anyone??
A study by the University of Oregon's school of medicine has found that people who are double vaccinated and then contract COVID-19 develop super antibodies.
Roll your blouse sleeves up girlies
In reply to Post #603
quote - And benyel- lockdowns don't affect everyone. Ask the Tories....
You've got me there Mal
Edit
get well soon mate hope your ok
quote - And benyel- lockdowns don't affect everyone. Ask the Tories....
You've got me there Mal
Edit
get well soon mate hope your ok
In reply to Post #611
I will have sausage,egg and brown sauce please,these heathens won't know about the amazing Staffordshire delicacy that is the Oatcake
I will have sausage,egg and brown sauce please,these heathens won't know about the amazing Staffordshire delicacy that is the Oatcake
In reply to Post #607
Hope you get better soon mate,you will get some extra time off in January with the lockdown that's coming
Hope you get better soon mate,you will get some extra time off in January with the lockdown that's coming
In reply to Post #611
I expect you know a builder who can do doors that are too short..
Thanks all for the well wishes
I expect you know a builder who can do doors that are too short..
Thanks all for the well wishes
In reply to Post #613
Ok, so what's the plan for your child and to avoid them catching Covid? That's if they haven't already had it unknowingly?
What's the plan for you not catching Covid?
Ok, so what's the plan for your child and to avoid them catching Covid? That's if they haven't already had it unknowingly?
What's the plan for you not catching Covid?
In reply to Post #614
I read that too mate, it did state that the group with high immunity levels were tested several months earlier than the group with lower levels.. but good news all the same for the vulnerable.
Speedy recovery Mal. That left wing twaddle isn't going to virtue signal itself
I read that too mate, it did state that the group with high immunity levels were tested several months earlier than the group with lower levels.. but good news all the same for the vulnerable.
Speedy recovery Mal. That left wing twaddle isn't going to virtue signal itself
In reply to Post #619
Just do what we've been doing since the start. Weve accepted that we could catch it, but certainly my view is, if you "want" your child to catch covid, then there is something fundamentally wrong with you
Just do what we've been doing since the start. Weve accepted that we could catch it, but certainly my view is, if you "want" your child to catch covid, then there is something fundamentally wrong with you
In reply to Post #618
You should see my daughters front door.....Believe it or not it's 2 inches short at the top and blobs of adhesive are visible on the underside of the passage ceiling.
You should see my daughters front door.....Believe it or not it's 2 inches short at the top and blobs of adhesive are visible on the underside of the passage ceiling.
In reply to Post #616
Bacon and cheese with a generous splashing of Worcestershire sauce.
Bacon and cheese with a generous splashing of Worcestershire sauce.
In reply to Post #620
In reply to Post #621
You say “Do what we did at the start” Until When though? Whole world is vaccinated? Jab number 64? Daily Suicide rate is 10x Covid cases?
If you research children with Covid it's quite clear to see why it's Not fundamentally wrong for them to have Covid......
Mal - you now have authority to comment on Covid and it's effects......
You say “Do what we did at the start” Until When though? Whole world is vaccinated? Jab number 64? Daily Suicide rate is 10x Covid cases?
If you research children with Covid it's quite clear to see why it's Not fundamentally wrong for them to have Covid......
Mal - you now have authority to comment on Covid and it's effects......
In reply to Post #625
It doesnt matter to you does it? I'll look after my child how I see fit, and if that means not intentionally putting them in harm's way, then that's fine by me. By all means if you have a child you're more than welcome to throw a covid party, but something tells me not many parents would be letting their kids go to it
It doesnt matter to you does it? I'll look after my child how I see fit, and if that means not intentionally putting them in harm's way, then that's fine by me. By all means if you have a child you're more than welcome to throw a covid party, but something tells me not many parents would be letting their kids go to it
In reply to Post #627
It doesn't matter to me but I'm trying to understand your stance.......nothing more, nothing less.....
It doesn't matter to me but I'm trying to understand your stance.......nothing more, nothing less.....
In reply to Post #625
Get yourself double vaccinated minimum then if/when you next contract COVID-19 chances are you'll have developed super immunity. Simple even for you to grasp.
Get yourself double vaccinated minimum then if/when you next contract COVID-19 chances are you'll have developed super immunity. Simple even for you to grasp.
In reply to Post #629
Super vax shill much? What are you, 77th Brigade?
What if you're not even remotely affected the coof when you catch it? Plenty of cases of people not vaccinated who have caught the coof and don't suffer like some do. Natural immunity has been proven to be vastly better than any clot shot combo.
Super vax shill much? What are you, 77th Brigade?
What if you're not even remotely affected the coof when you catch it? Plenty of cases of people not vaccinated who have caught the coof and don't suffer like some do. Natural immunity has been proven to be vastly better than any clot shot combo.
In reply to Post #630
DONT FEED THE TROLL!
DONT FEED THE TROLL!
In reply to Post #630
Let's face facts we don't know for sure what the long term effects of getting covid or having the vaccine is.
You roll the dice you take your chances.
Get well soon Mal and happy Xmas all.
Let's face facts we don't know for sure what the long term effects of getting covid or having the vaccine is.
You roll the dice you take your chances.
Get well soon Mal and happy Xmas all.
In reply to Post #618
Going to bring the builders thread up to the top as I've just found out some other devastation that he's left behind for families.
Going to bring the builders thread up to the top as I've just found out some other devastation that he's left behind for families.
In reply to Post #632
Correct.......that's why the choice is personal to every individual with neither right or wrong IMO.
Correct.......that's why the choice is personal to every individual with neither right or wrong IMO.
In reply to Post #632
Good points on both counts. The shedding spike proteins of those vaccinated is a concern. Only time will tell how This'll all pan out.
I heard it mentioned that this new one is nature's way of combating a virus by weakening it over time.
Good points on both counts. The shedding spike proteins of those vaccinated is a concern. Only time will tell how This'll all pan out.
I heard it mentioned that this new one is nature's way of combating a virus by weakening it over time.
In reply to Post #635
I think all respiratory viruses weaken over time through re infection until they end up like the common cold / flu.......this may well be the first one in history that doesn't according to the daily rags!
I think all respiratory viruses weaken over time through re infection until they end up like the common cold / flu.......this may well be the first one in history that doesn't according to the daily rags!
In reply to Post #630
As it's panto season "oh no it isn't!".
Get double vaccinated and catch it you'll have super immunity. It's simple TC. The end of COVID-19 and all the crap and claptrap that comes with it. Don't be a maggot all your life do the right thing and roll up your sleeve.
As it's panto season "oh no it isn't!".
Get double vaccinated and catch it you'll have super immunity. It's simple TC. The end of COVID-19 and all the crap and claptrap that comes with it. Don't be a maggot all your life do the right thing and roll up your sleeve.
In reply to Post #635
Good points on both counts then here we go - your talking about vaccinated people cannot shed the spike proteins it's been proven over and over again to be complete rubbish.
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/people-vaccinated-against-covid-19-cannot-shed-spike-proteins-to-harm-anyone/
Good points on both counts then here we go - your talking about vaccinated people cannot shed the spike proteins it's been proven over and over again to be complete rubbish.
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/people-vaccinated-against-covid-19-cannot-shed-spike-proteins-to-harm-anyone/
Anyone seen this Twitter exchange......
we should all be deeply concerned about Sage's modelling.
Fraser Nelson, the editor of the Spectator magazine, and Professor Graham Medley, chair of Sage's modelling committee, over the weekend.
Puzzled by the gap between the reassuring reports from South Africa and Sage's dark forebodings, Nelson asked Medley how the group's conclusion was reached.
If, as the South Africans think, Omicron is mild and there is no need for lockdown, why didn't Sage include this scenario 'given that this is a very plausible option that changes outlook massively', asked Nelson. Simple enough.
But then came Medley's telling reply: 'Decision-makers are generally only interested in situations where decisions have to be made.'
Does Sage exclusively model bad outcomes that require further restrictions and omit more welcome outcomes for which no action would be required, even if such scenarios are just as likely to occur, Nelson wondered?
Then came the hammer blow: 'We generally model what we are asked to model,' Medley replied.
we should all be deeply concerned about Sage's modelling.
Fraser Nelson, the editor of the Spectator magazine, and Professor Graham Medley, chair of Sage's modelling committee, over the weekend.
Puzzled by the gap between the reassuring reports from South Africa and Sage's dark forebodings, Nelson asked Medley how the group's conclusion was reached.
If, as the South Africans think, Omicron is mild and there is no need for lockdown, why didn't Sage include this scenario 'given that this is a very plausible option that changes outlook massively', asked Nelson. Simple enough.
But then came Medley's telling reply: 'Decision-makers are generally only interested in situations where decisions have to be made.'
Does Sage exclusively model bad outcomes that require further restrictions and omit more welcome outcomes for which no action would be required, even if such scenarios are just as likely to occur, Nelson wondered?
Then came the hammer blow: 'We generally model what we are asked to model,' Medley replied.
In reply to Post #629
Sounds good to me
I'll be selling my sweat and tears on ebay just as soon as I'm better.
Sounds good to me
I'll be selling my sweat and tears on ebay just as soon as I'm better.
In reply to Post #640
A teacher sweat,that's a good one
A teacher sweat,that's a good one
In reply to Post #641
They do sweat mate. It's usually the whiskey coming out.....
They do sweat mate. It's usually the whiskey coming out.....
In reply to Post #641
Wife used to be a teacher but had to give it up after one of our daughters became ill.
The lazy cow.......
The lazy cow.......
In reply to Post #642
In all seriousness I'm glad she got out of it ‘not due to the circumstances obviously' as the amount of work she had to do was unbelievable.
In all seriousness I'm glad she got out of it ‘not due to the circumstances obviously' as the amount of work she had to do was unbelievable.
In reply to Post #645
Yep........my Mrs is constantly bloody working as a teacher.......keeps her off my back though.......
Yep........my Mrs is constantly bloody working as a teacher.......keeps her off my back though.......
In reply to Post #646
Bunch of muppets
In reply to Post #638
Say what? I didn't say they couldn't, I was implying they *can* shed spike proteins, which that piece claims isn't possible.
Reading through that article, they say "unsubstantiated" that's quite different to definitely can not. Also, claiming that Facebook fact checkers and the likes of YouTube (can't remember if YouTube was mentioned) pulled the videos of Frontline Doctors for misleading claims as some sort of evidence backing up their claims is just pure bollox, I mean, Facebook, YouTube, those two have got about as much credibility as Tony Blair's Weapons of Mass Distruction claim. Facebook/YouTube et al all have an agenda and truth and honesty certainly isn't one of them.
That piece sounds more like a smear piece than anything even remotely worth taking notice of. Next.
Say what? I didn't say they couldn't, I was implying they *can* shed spike proteins, which that piece claims isn't possible.
Reading through that article, they say "unsubstantiated" that's quite different to definitely can not. Also, claiming that Facebook fact checkers and the likes of YouTube (can't remember if YouTube was mentioned) pulled the videos of Frontline Doctors for misleading claims as some sort of evidence backing up their claims is just pure bollox, I mean, Facebook, YouTube, those two have got about as much credibility as Tony Blair's Weapons of Mass Distruction claim. Facebook/YouTube et al all have an agenda and truth and honesty certainly isn't one of them.
That piece sounds more like a smear piece than anything even remotely worth taking notice of. Next.
In reply to Post #635
Tee cee you didn't know what spike protein was 18 months ago so drop the giving it the clever scientist.
As I said earlier lockdowns don't work, I'm double jabbed but I'm firmly against another lockdown for many reasons.
It's idiots like you that give it the bigun l, just like one of my best mates, about a spike protein that you know **** all about , but I'd bet every penny I've got you've done class a drugs at some point in your life. And like my mate his never queried anything about said drugs
Tee cee you didn't know what spike protein was 18 months ago so drop the giving it the clever scientist.
As I said earlier lockdowns don't work, I'm double jabbed but I'm firmly against another lockdown for many reasons.
It's idiots like you that give it the bigun l, just like one of my best mates, about a spike protein that you know **** all about , but I'd bet every penny I've got you've done class a drugs at some point in your life. And like my mate his never queried anything about said drugs
If you've not seen this guy before, he makes for some interesting viewing.
TL;DW
Something he mentions about T cells from people who had SARS back in the day and their blood being tested for a response many years after; the T cells responded to SARS,also, when tested against Covid which is 80% identical to SARS (not Covid) those same blood samples reacted the same way and was recognised as near identical, essentially he suggests that the variant chatter is cobblers from one to another with a difference of 0.3% variation...they are basically the same and the body reacts the same to these new variants as the body T cells sees them as the same thing.
MICHAEL YEADON ex vice president of Pfizer https://www.bitchute.com/video/9Ci2jK1yFoOd/
TL;DW
Something he mentions about T cells from people who had SARS back in the day and their blood being tested for a response many years after; the T cells responded to SARS,also, when tested against Covid which is 80% identical to SARS (not Covid) those same blood samples reacted the same way and was recognised as near identical, essentially he suggests that the variant chatter is cobblers from one to another with a difference of 0.3% variation...they are basically the same and the body reacts the same to these new variants as the body T cells sees them as the same thing.
MICHAEL YEADON ex vice president of Pfizer https://www.bitchute.com/video/9Ci2jK1yFoOd/
In reply to Post #639
Wayne all sage models from the very beginning have been modelled on worse case scenarios. That's very well know in the scientific world
If your only just finding out about that then you really are well behind the times, if you already knew that then why are you highlighting it now? It's abit like saying Charles and Di have split up
Wayne all sage models from the very beginning have been modelled on worse case scenarios. That's very well know in the scientific world
If your only just finding out about that then you really are well behind the times, if you already knew that then why are you highlighting it now? It's abit like saying Charles and Di have split up
In reply to Post #651
T cells are you immune system memory cells in theory. They never forget a previous virus. T cell immunity is very good.
Your T cells will respond from a common cold and will remember parts of it when you get covid
This is all normal to any one that has half a brain cell idea of viruses and T cells
This is not new stuff and your showing your Facebook masters medicine degree in all its glory
T cells are you immune system memory cells in theory. They never forget a previous virus. T cell immunity is very good.
Your T cells will respond from a common cold and will remember parts of it when you get covid
This is all normal to any one that has half a brain cell idea of viruses and T cells
This is not new stuff and your showing your Facebook masters medicine degree in all its glory
In reply to Post #653
Echo much?
I've had a thought as to why some are just simply not affected by this version of SARS. Maybe those that are not really bowled over by it have had SARS - was that early 2000 ish - and this SARS Covid 19 the body t cells as Mike Yeadon claimed in the tests, the t cells are reacting the same way in people now? Just a thought on my part.
I don't use Facebook. And just because someone - not me - might use facts taken from the likes of Facebook, that doesn't necessarily make those facts wrong. Nice strawman though
Echo much?
I've had a thought as to why some are just simply not affected by this version of SARS. Maybe those that are not really bowled over by it have had SARS - was that early 2000 ish - and this SARS Covid 19 the body t cells as Mike Yeadon claimed in the tests, the t cells are reacting the same way in people now? Just a thought on my part.
I don't use Facebook. And just because someone - not me - might use facts taken from the likes of Facebook, that doesn't necessarily make those facts wrong. Nice strawman though
In reply to Post #654
Yeah I guess under 12's had SARS in 2000.
My point being that the younger generation, none of whom get bowled over it seems, didn't.
Yeah I guess under 12's had SARS in 2000.
My point being that the younger generation, none of whom get bowled over it seems, didn't.
In reply to Post #654
Yeah cause SARS was rampant Europe in the ealry 2000s. Stop copy and pasting
Go and look on a bottle of dettol, it's says effective against coronavirus's, which at one point was the tin foil brigades main argument that it was all planned
Your quoting Yeaden. Your either very swallowing the usual bull**** or you are Mr Moo / noddy
Yeah cause SARS was rampant Europe in the ealry 2000s. Stop copy and pasting
Go and look on a bottle of dettol, it's says effective against coronavirus's, which at one point was the tin foil brigades main argument that it was all planned
Your quoting Yeaden. Your either very swallowing the usual bull**** or you are Mr Moo / noddy
In reply to Post #655
It's just a thought experiment on my part the point I was making and just putting it out there.
Statistically, the younger you are, the least likely you are to be affected by this virus, which I'm sure you know. Maybe that's the same for most of these sorts of viruses?
It's just a thought experiment on my part the point I was making and just putting it out there.
Statistically, the younger you are, the least likely you are to be affected by this virus, which I'm sure you know. Maybe that's the same for most of these sorts of viruses?
I'm going to throw this out there......
I think (reading between the lines) it's fairly accepted at a high level that the covid 19 virus was accidentally released in China in the virology lab in wuhan, all agreed?
Does anyone think that this omicron variant may have been engineered to be purposely highly contagious and mild disease and released to overtake Delta and put an end to the pandemic?
Only China would be capable of doing this without any leaks.
I am not a conspiracy theorist but I am totally open to this possibility. It's just amazing that there was so many deviations from Delta and that this happened so quickly.
I think (reading between the lines) it's fairly accepted at a high level that the covid 19 virus was accidentally released in China in the virology lab in wuhan, all agreed?
Does anyone think that this omicron variant may have been engineered to be purposely highly contagious and mild disease and released to overtake Delta and put an end to the pandemic?
Only China would be capable of doing this without any leaks.
I am not a conspiracy theorist but I am totally open to this possibility. It's just amazing that there was so many deviations from Delta and that this happened so quickly.
In reply to Post #657
Bit the younger you are the less likely you would have been around for the SARS pandemic, which didn't affect Europe in anyway way
Not that I'm saying youngsters are affected by covid.they are not but your argument is ridiculous
Bit the younger you are the less likely you would have been around for the SARS pandemic, which didn't affect Europe in anyway way
Not that I'm saying youngsters are affected by covid.they are not but your argument is ridiculous
In reply to Post #656
What copy pasta?
So there's a guy that questions the narrative who is 'muh science' but somehow not *proper* science. I don't know, the guy might have some super secret agenda, either way, the guy is some sort of authority, especially so as he has worked on mRna therapeutics.
The mass culling thing, hmm, I don't dig that and try and avoid that one; could be all true or just a load of old nonsense.
What copy pasta?
So there's a guy that questions the narrative who is 'muh science' but somehow not *proper* science. I don't know, the guy might have some super secret agenda, either way, the guy is some sort of authority, especially so as he has worked on mRna therapeutics.
The mass culling thing, hmm, I don't dig that and try and avoid that one; could be all true or just a load of old nonsense.
In reply to Post #659
My point is wrong as I was confusing it with swine flu.
My point is wrong as I was confusing it with swine flu.
In reply to Post #656
From wiki
Michael Yeadon is a British anti-vaccine activist and retired pharmacologist who attracted media attention for making false or unfounded claims about the COVID-19 pandemic and the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.
The Times has described him as "a hero of Covid conspiracy theorists"and "a key figure in the antivax movement". He previously served as the chief scientist and vice-president of the allergy and respiratory research division of the drug company Pfizer, and is the co-founder and former CEO of the biotechnology company Ziarco
Come the new year he'll be sitting on the M25 blocking the road with the other idiots.
From wiki
Michael Yeadon is a British anti-vaccine activist and retired pharmacologist who attracted media attention for making false or unfounded claims about the COVID-19 pandemic and the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.
The Times has described him as "a hero of Covid conspiracy theorists"and "a key figure in the antivax movement". He previously served as the chief scientist and vice-president of the allergy and respiratory research division of the drug company Pfizer, and is the co-founder and former CEO of the biotechnology company Ziarco
Come the new year he'll be sitting on the M25 blocking the road with the other idiots.
In reply to Post #660
But your point was T cells and SARS. anyone with the slightest under standing of the human immune system understands T cells, and anyone with any geographical knowledge knows SARS never affected Europe, so you wonder why I pulled you up on both points ?
But your point was T cells and SARS. anyone with the slightest under standing of the human immune system understands T cells, and anyone with any geographical knowledge knows SARS never affected Europe, so you wonder why I pulled you up on both points ?
In reply to Post #658
Agreed these variants do seem to be popping up very regularly I would like to hope omicron is the final chapter.
Agreed these variants do seem to be popping up very regularly I would like to hope omicron is the final chapter.
In reply to Post #662
Wikipedia... oh. my. sides. Got to be one of the most snide sources of information (misinformation) out there. Nice try though.
It's funny how guys like this are never debated on live TeeVee, yet instead, just smear after smear with the tagline *conspiracy theorist* added to their name. I don't know, I'm open minded enough to listen to all sides of a debate and not take a side.
Wikipedia... oh. my. sides. Got to be one of the most snide sources of information (misinformation) out there. Nice try though.
It's funny how guys like this are never debated on live TeeVee, yet instead, just smear after smear with the tagline *conspiracy theorist* added to their name. I don't know, I'm open minded enough to listen to all sides of a debate and not take a side.
In reply to Post #665
So am I mate. I look at both side and am very open minded. I'm double jabbed, they can go **** themselves if they think I'm having a booster. I did my bit when it mattered for me and the community but I'm double jabbed and have covid so they can do one, but please dont fall into the tin foil bag brigade by trying to be clever with”new” stuff that anyone with half an idea should know
I didn't know what a spike protein was a year ago, I didn't know what a T cell was a year ago, I didn't know who prof Ferguson was a year ago but I've educated my self and I'd guess 99% of us would be lying if we said we knew all about that stuff before mar 2020.
You should do the same rather that read stuff on Facebook and post it o here as some sort of argument
So am I mate. I look at both side and am very open minded. I'm double jabbed, they can go **** themselves if they think I'm having a booster. I did my bit when it mattered for me and the community but I'm double jabbed and have covid so they can do one, but please dont fall into the tin foil bag brigade by trying to be clever with”new” stuff that anyone with half an idea should know
I didn't know what a spike protein was a year ago, I didn't know what a T cell was a year ago, I didn't know who prof Ferguson was a year ago but I've educated my self and I'd guess 99% of us would be lying if we said we knew all about that stuff before mar 2020.
You should do the same rather that read stuff on Facebook and post it o here as some sort of argument
In reply to Post #658
It's an interesting theory
But...
I don't actually think it was leaked from a lab (intentionally or otherwise)
And
Having a more contagious but less nasty version doesn't stop the spread and affect of the one that's out there. If a lion gets loose in the zoo, setting a load of monkeys free doesn't stop old Leo from eating folk. Although it does cause a diversionary panic I suppose.
If the version I've picked up is the less severe - bearing in mind I've had 2 jabs - then thank god I didn't get the really bad one cause it's bloody horrible not being able to breathe properly.
Good theory though - could be a less evil way to encourage more people acting safely, getting jabbed etc.
It's an interesting theory
But...
I don't actually think it was leaked from a lab (intentionally or otherwise)
And
Having a more contagious but less nasty version doesn't stop the spread and affect of the one that's out there. If a lion gets loose in the zoo, setting a load of monkeys free doesn't stop old Leo from eating folk. Although it does cause a diversionary panic I suppose.
If the version I've picked up is the less severe - bearing in mind I've had 2 jabs - then thank god I didn't get the really bad one cause it's bloody horrible not being able to breathe properly.
Good theory though - could be a less evil way to encourage more people acting safely, getting jabbed etc.
In reply to Post #667
Mal, the dominant variant almost always does displace the previous one. UK data is not showing displacement yet (Delta is still circulating and not reducing or increasing yet) but it is thought that it will start to diminish soon as Omicron takes over. I think if omicron is more contagious and has a shorter incubation period, people will catch it first, and then not be able to catch delta because they will have significant immunity.
Mal, the dominant variant almost always does displace the previous one. UK data is not showing displacement yet (Delta is still circulating and not reducing or increasing yet) but it is thought that it will start to diminish soon as Omicron takes over. I think if omicron is more contagious and has a shorter incubation period, people will catch it first, and then not be able to catch delta because they will have significant immunity.
In reply to Post #667
Thing is Mal you will never know how you would have been without the jabs......statistically similar to me I think though......
Ben, I know it's been out there for people who bother to check, my point is the news and most rags never tell you the best case scenario......
Thing is Mal you will never know how you would have been without the jabs......statistically similar to me I think though......
Ben, I know it's been out there for people who bother to check, my point is the news and most rags never tell you the best case scenario......
In reply to Post #669
Of course they dont Wayne. The MSM have been diabolical in all this, but I thought most people knew that by now
My mother in Law is shot scared of covid because of those ****s that just want people to click their pages or the main news channels. We had 20 people coming Boxing Day, one of them have covid so they e all cancelled just in case
It's pathetic. I get on trains everyday, I go down the boozer some lunchtimes, I go and watch the east end galtecios most weekend but because the daily mail says we should limit or be cautious of our Christmas gatherings they've all cancelled
Of course they dont Wayne. The MSM have been diabolical in all this, but I thought most people knew that by now
My mother in Law is shot scared of covid because of those ****s that just want people to click their pages or the main news channels. We had 20 people coming Boxing Day, one of them have covid so they e all cancelled just in case
It's pathetic. I get on trains everyday, I go down the boozer some lunchtimes, I go and watch the east end galtecios most weekend
but because the daily mail says we should limit or be cautious of our Christmas gatherings they've all cancelled
In reply to Post #668
Yeah that makes sense. If catching omicron builds immunity to delta then it's entirely possible. The moderna and Pfizer testing of vaccine suggests that its similar enough in nature (I.e. if the vaccine is effective across variants then the natural immunity could be too).
My lion and monkey analogy doesn't quite fit with that. Although it would make a better film.
Wayne - who knows. Thing is, with no jabs I might've been much worse / caught it much sooner / twice or even three times ....
Yeah that makes sense. If catching omicron builds immunity to delta then it's entirely possible. The moderna and Pfizer testing of vaccine suggests that its similar enough in nature (I.e. if the vaccine is effective across variants then the natural immunity could be too).
My lion and monkey analogy doesn't quite fit with that. Although it would make a better film.
Wayne - who knows. Thing is, with no jabs I might've been much worse / caught it much sooner / twice or even three times ....
In reply to Post #666
To repeat myself again: I do not use Facebook and do not form my opinions from posts made on Facebook.
I've not had the vaccines and neither do I intend to simply due to my own personal experience. I've gotten this far with zero effects of Covid that I'm aware of, and considering how rampant it's claimed to be - not disputing it either way - I can only conclude that I won't be taking any shots.
Since early 2020 when this all first kicked off, I like many had my concerns that this could we'll be fatal to me and others around me, since then, for all of the information that I've seen and read, I can only conclude that something just isn't right. Now I'm not suggesting that there's some secretive cabal - might be - that have put into play a mass de-population, what I am certain of is things really don't add up. Take the death tally for instance, just because people caught Covid but died in a car crash, on their death that they died with Covid which artificially boosts the numbers. As always, regardless of what the discussion maybe, we never get someone like Mike Yeadon rolled out on the BBC, instead we get a load of nodding dogs repetitively repeating the same mantra's, over and over, and over again, effectively no questioning of the narrative, instead, all you ever hear is a uni-opinion which is then rolled out enemas to the uni-media and practically parroted verbatim endlessly; I remember a time when this used to pointed out all too well when it came to China...not so much now.
Something worth considering is what happened recently when it comes to Borris and his "business meetings" with fine wine and cheese nibbles served up, they lied about it recently when it all came out, what's to say they're not lying or being decidedly deceptive with what they put out with regards to Covid, I mean, what's a lie amongst chums, eh?
To repeat myself again: I do not use Facebook and do not form my opinions from posts made on Facebook.
I've not had the vaccines and neither do I intend to simply due to my own personal experience. I've gotten this far with zero effects of Covid that I'm aware of, and considering how rampant it's claimed to be - not disputing it either way - I can only conclude that I won't be taking any shots.
Since early 2020 when this all first kicked off, I like many had my concerns that this could we'll be fatal to me and others around me, since then, for all of the information that I've seen and read, I can only conclude that something just isn't right. Now I'm not suggesting that there's some secretive cabal - might be - that have put into play a mass de-population, what I am certain of is things really don't add up. Take the death tally for instance, just because people caught Covid but died in a car crash, on their death that they died with Covid which artificially boosts the numbers. As always, regardless of what the discussion maybe, we never get someone like Mike Yeadon rolled out on the BBC, instead we get a load of nodding dogs repetitively repeating the same mantra's, over and over, and over again, effectively no questioning of the narrative, instead, all you ever hear is a uni-opinion which is then rolled out enemas to the uni-media and practically parroted verbatim endlessly; I remember a time when this used to pointed out all too well when it came to China...not so much now.
Something worth considering is what happened recently when it comes to Borris and his "business meetings" with fine wine and cheese nibbles served up, they lied about it recently when it all came out, what's to say they're not lying or being decidedly deceptive with what they put out with regards to Covid, I mean, what's a lie amongst chums, eh?
I'd just like to add: those of you that have had the jab, wear the mask, keeping away from other people etc for the greater good and thinking of other people, I honestly do commend you, you are decent human beings. Nothing wrong with being decent 👍
In reply to Post #670
Of course they dont Wayne. The MSM have been diabolical in all this, but I thought most people knew that by now
Some don't Ben........and some are even posting on this thread.........
Keep calm and carry on normally.......
Of course they dont Wayne. The MSM have been diabolical in all this, but I thought most people knew that by now
Some don't Ben........and some are even posting on this thread.........
Keep calm and carry on normally.......
In reply to Post #606
Patient numbers have already started creeping up and they have been warned to prepare for it to be "at least as bad" as last winter.
"I was hoping we wouldn't need to face any other winters like the one we faced last winter, and in the first wave of Covid," says ICU consultant Dr Rafik Bedair.
"Those were really, really difficult times. The hope was that with the vaccination programme that we would be able to avoid this."
But of the 11 Covid patients now in intensive care, nine have not been vaccinated. And the profile of patients has shifted, says Dr Bedair. They're a lot younger than they were in the previous waves. Rather than frailer, older people, the youngest Covid patient here is 19, but most are in their 40s.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59667190
But of course. If we assume ALL stories in the national press, doctors being interviewed on radio or TV interviews are made up lies then you have serious paranoia. and you'll never believe anything your told but I have no doubt if you get seriously ill or a close relative does you'll regret your actions.
Patient numbers have already started creeping up and they have been warned to prepare for it to be "at least as bad" as last winter.
"I was hoping we wouldn't need to face any other winters like the one we faced last winter, and in the first wave of Covid," says ICU consultant Dr Rafik Bedair.
"Those were really, really difficult times. The hope was that with the vaccination programme that we would be able to avoid this."
But of the 11 Covid patients now in intensive care, nine have not been vaccinated. And the profile of patients has shifted, says Dr Bedair. They're a lot younger than they were in the previous waves. Rather than frailer, older people, the youngest Covid patient here is 19, but most are in their 40s.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59667190
But of course. If we assume ALL stories in the national press, doctors being interviewed on radio or TV interviews are made up lies then you have serious paranoia. and you'll never believe anything your told but I have no doubt if you get seriously ill or a close relative does you'll regret your actions.
In reply to Post #672
With our sounding disrespectful it seems you need to do some proper research for yourself
If you thought it was potentially fatal at the beginning, well unless your of pension age it was pretty clear from the off it wasn't.
The way we report deaths is like no other country( within 28 days) Personally i think they over egged it for scare factor but was too far down the road to go back on in once other countries weee reporting much lower
Testing, we test far more than any other country, little stat for you 14/12/20 285k test = 35k positives, 14/12/21 1.3m test which if we'd have done that many the year before on the same day would have been 300k positives. This is what drive me mad about MSM. There's no context
In regard to Boris and his business party's it's wrong on every level, but I doubt any of us stuck to the rules 100% by the letter of the law
Why would they make this up, create a mental health timebomb. Cause massive cancer, heart or any other treatment delays. What's in it for them? Or perhaps this is a once in a few hundred years experience and no one knows what the **** to actually do
Lastly I may have missed it but I don't seem to see you answering me on class a recreational use? If you w some drugs have you questioned and verified the source and ingredients?
With our sounding disrespectful it seems you need to do some proper research for yourself
If you thought it was potentially fatal at the beginning, well unless your of pension age it was pretty clear from the off it wasn't.
The way we report deaths is like no other country( within 28 days) Personally i think they over egged it for scare factor but was too far down the road to go back on in once other countries weee reporting much lower
Testing, we test far more than any other country, little stat for you 14/12/20 285k test = 35k positives, 14/12/21 1.3m test which if we'd have done that many the year before on the same day would have been 300k positives. This is what drive me mad about MSM. There's no context
In regard to Boris and his business party's it's wrong on every level, but I doubt any of us stuck to the rules 100% by the letter of the law
Why would they make this up, create a mental health timebomb. Cause massive cancer, heart or any other treatment delays. What's in it for them? Or perhaps this is a once in a few hundred years experience and no one knows what the **** to actually do
Lastly I may have missed it but I don't seem to see you answering me on class a recreational use? If you w some drugs have you questioned and verified the source and ingredients?
In reply to Post #676
"Lastly I may have missed it but I don't seem to see you answering me on class a recreational use? If you w some drugs have you questioned and verified the source and ingredients?
"
I don't really know what that means?
I'll have a stab in the dark and say that you're going on about the contents of other drugs and what's in them. Let's just stick to this one and not get sidetracked and stuck in the weeds, eh?
"Lastly I may have missed it but I don't seem to see you answering me on class a recreational use? If you w some drugs have you questioned and verified the source and ingredients?
"
I don't really know what that means?
I'll have a stab in the dark and say that you're going on about the contents of other drugs and what's in them. Let's just stick to this one and not get sidetracked and stuck in the weeds, eh?
I was in hospital this afternoon (check up on my eye).I asked about the covid ward and is it filling up now with all the omicron cases,the answer was nope not at all
In reply to Post #678
"the answer was nope not at all"
They're lying to you. They've got them all in an underground bunker pouring liquid Covid into their eyes...tellin ya. I'VE GOT THE DOCUMENTS!!!
"the answer was nope not at all"
They're lying to you. They've got them all in an underground bunker pouring liquid Covid into their eyes...tellin ya. I'VE GOT THE DOCUMENTS!!!
In reply to Post #677
It's fairly simple. Have you, like me and millions of other people taken part in any recreational drugs at some point. If so did you query it's source or did you just stick it straight up you hooter
If you queried it and declined fair play, if you didn't then IMO you do t have a leg to stand on when it comes to vaccines
It's fairly simple. Have you, like me and millions of other people taken part in any recreational drugs at some point. If so did you query it's source or did you just stick it straight up you hooter
If you queried it and declined fair play, if you didn't then IMO you do t have a leg to stand on when it comes to vaccines
In reply to Post #678
Sounds like the jab is doing some sterling work 💪
Sounds like the jab is doing some sterling work 💪
In reply to Post #678
To be fair bradders and I may have posted this on the now locked covid thread, around this time last year my 14 month old son was in hospital for 3 days. I wasn't allowed in only one parent was allowed. My missus asked why the dr and nurses wasn't wearing face mask basis what we were being told and what we was allowed to do. Their reply was there's not one case on covid In this hospital. Within two weeks when my son went back for a check up the very same nurses were all wearing masks. Again my missus asked why you wearing them now and they replied we are overrun with Covid and they were moaning they worked long shifts because they were short staffed as so many were off isolating
To be fair bradders and I may have posted this on the now locked covid thread, around this time last year my 14 month old son was in hospital for 3 days. I wasn't allowed in only one parent was allowed. My missus asked why the dr and nurses wasn't wearing face mask basis what we were being told and what we was allowed to do. Their reply was there's not one case on covid In this hospital. Within two weeks when my son went back for a check up the very same nurses were all wearing masks. Again my missus asked why you wearing them now and they replied we are overrun with Covid and they were moaning they worked long shifts because they were short staffed as so many were off isolating
In reply to Post #681
Is it the jab or the virus is naturally weakening
Is it the jab or the virus is naturally weakening
In reply to Post #680
Pure cope.
Never taken illegal drugs.
You could say that about anything, the food you eat, the liquids you drink, the difference being - I'll add vaccines into the equation here - have all passed specific safety standards and have been deemed safe to use, that's completely different to *this* vaccine that is still experimental and still in its trial phase and only being allowed to be used under emergency powers. Poor point.
Pure cope.
Never taken illegal drugs.
You could say that about anything, the food you eat, the liquids you drink, the difference being - I'll add vaccines into the equation here - have all passed specific safety standards and have been deemed safe to use, that's completely different to *this* vaccine that is still experimental and still in its trial phase and only being allowed to be used under emergency powers. Poor point.
In reply to Post #683
Going by what has been coming out of South Africa, looks to be nature has sorted this virus out, sod all to do with the jabs.
Going by what has been coming out of South Africa, looks to be nature has sorted this virus out, sod all to do with the jabs.
In reply to Post #683
I know what my money is on
I know what my money is on
In reply to Post #684
Fair play to you, or are you technically swerving the answer with “illegal” drugs
One thing these vaccines MRNA, have been in development and research for years, but again if you don't do your own research you wouldn't know that
Fair play to you, or are you technically swerving the answer with “illegal” drugs
One thing these vaccines MRNA, have been in development and research for years, but again if you don't do your own research you wouldn't know that
In reply to Post #685
South Africa are in their summer, they have a much younger average population. It's not comparable
I'm not digging you out I'm just throwing something to you to question your thought process
South Africa are in their summer, they have a much younger average population. It's not comparable
I'm not digging you out I'm just throwing something to you to question your thought process
In reply to Post #686
Well mine is certainly not on the jab.
Well mine is certainly not on the jab.
In reply to Post #689
Just a coincidence then
Just a coincidence then
In reply to Post #687
I'm fully aware of how long this mRNA tech has been about. Dr Robert Malone filled patents back in the 90's after his findings. Mike Yeadon was working on this back in the latter part of the 2000's and couldn't get the messenger part of it to stay stable. The clinical trials on mice and what-not showed that death came to all those given mRNA therapeutics, which incidentally.was found to attack -->all<-- organs. Totally safe, but weirdly not safe enough to come with specific safety warnings like any other drug out there that has passed all trails and on the market.
I'm fully aware of how long this mRNA tech has been about. Dr Robert Malone filled patents back in the 90's after his findings. Mike Yeadon was working on this back in the latter part of the 2000's and couldn't get the messenger part of it to stay stable. The clinical trials on mice and what-not showed that death came to all those given mRNA therapeutics, which incidentally.was found to attack -->all<-- organs. Totally safe, but weirdly not safe enough to come with specific safety warnings like any other drug out there that has passed all trails and on the market.
In reply to Post #688
With a 25% or so vaccination rate? It's deffo the clot shot that's doing the trick, eh?
With a 25% or so vaccination rate? It's deffo the clot shot that's doing the trick, eh?
In reply to Post #691
Quote - The clinical trials on mice and what-not showed that death came to all those given mRNA
All mice used in clinical trials are killed after the test, but some simpleton picked up on this about 18 months ago and started pushing it for the anti agenda This has been argued and disapproved since about April 2020. Again without sounding disrespectful this has been done to death already but you just seem to be catching up.
Quote - The clinical trials on mice and what-not showed that death came to all those given mRNA
All mice used in clinical trials are killed after the test, but some simpleton picked up on this about 18 months ago and started pushing it for the anti agenda This has been argued and disapproved since about April 2020. Again without sounding disrespectful this has been done to death already but you just seem to be catching up.
In reply to Post #692
I didn't say that. I said it's not comparable.
Just like SA have a much higher AIDS problem than the U.K. In theory they should be having much higher deaths than us..... BUT it's not comparable
I didn't say that. I said it's not comparable.
Just like SA have a much higher AIDS problem than the U.K. In theory they should be having much higher deaths than us..... BUT it's not comparable
In reply to Post #691
By the way that's the most blatant C&P post I've ever seen from someone that don't copy and paste
By the way that's the most blatant C&P post I've ever seen from someone that don't copy and paste
In reply to Post #694
The weeks and months over here will show how good or bad things will turn out. I'm leaning on the side that it'll be a nothingburger. Only time will tell.
The weeks and months over here will show how good or bad things will turn out. I'm leaning on the side that it'll be a nothingburger. Only time will tell.
In reply to Post #691
TeeCee - you remind me of David Brent quoting Dostoyevsky to the new guy in the office
youtube
TeeCee - you remind me of David Brent quoting Dostoyevsky to the new guy in the office
youtube
In reply to Post #683
Maybe it's both
Along with other factors.
Makes more sense than dismissal of one in absolute favour of another doesn't it?
Maybe it's both
Along with other factors.
Makes more sense than dismissal of one in absolute favour of another doesn't it?
In reply to Post #696
In my very limited knowledge I have a feeling we will be fine and this omicron will be the end of covid as we know it.
Shall we talk about drug trial mice ? Or you Ignoring that fact
In my very limited knowledge I have a feeling we will be fine and this omicron will be the end of covid as we know it.
Shall we talk about drug trial mice ? Or you Ignoring that fact
In reply to Post #695
What are you on about?
So I remembered what both of those two blokes said in their vids, repeating it here and somehow that's copypasta? Turn it in. I posted stuff about Malone ages ago in other threads, Yeadon I've only just bothered to post about, although I've been aware of what he's had to say for a long time now.
Maybe you trawl through le Facebook and it's other nonsense platforms, I don't, one because they're really intrusive, most importantly they're run by a bunch of left wing activists who will only accept an echo chamber, Reddit is the same.
What are you on about?
So I remembered what both of those two blokes said in their vids, repeating it here and somehow that's copypasta? Turn it in. I posted stuff about Malone ages ago in other threads, Yeadon I've only just bothered to post about, although I've been aware of what he's had to say for a long time now.
Maybe you trawl through le Facebook and it's other nonsense platforms, I don't, one because they're really intrusive, most importantly they're run by a bunch of left wing activists who will only accept an echo chamber, Reddit is the same.
In reply to Post #699
The mice trial I'm on about was quite recent. Unfortunately I've not the link to the papers. Maybe I'll come across them again at some point. Don't know what the trials you're on about to be fair.
The mice trial I'm on about was quite recent. Unfortunately I've not the link to the papers. Maybe I'll come across them again at some point. Don't know what the trials you're on about to be fair.
In reply to Post #701
No the mice trial your on about is the same as every mice trial. They are all killed
Honestly mate do your own research rather than relying on stuff simpletons spreads
No the mice trial your on about is the same as every mice trial. They are all killed
Honestly mate do your own research rather than relying on stuff simpletons spreads
In reply to Post #700
Quote - which incidentally.was found to attack -->all<-- organs.
What's this the symbols then, wouldn't you just say all rather than —>all<—
I mean if I was trying to highlight the word all I'd prob say ALL
Quote - which incidentally.was found to attack -->all<-- organs.
What's this the symbols then, wouldn't you just say all rather than —>all<—
I mean if I was trying to highlight the word all I'd prob say ALL
Keep rolling up those sl££v£s folks.
Afraid can't take the cr£dit for that one.
Afraid can't take the cr£dit for that one.
In reply to Post #704
4th jab being done in Israel.......
4th jab being done in Israel.......
In reply to Post #705
They'll never be fully vaxed.
They'll never be fully vaxed.
In reply to Post #705
They were preparing to roll it out when the government were spouting how effective the 3rd jab was going to be.
99.7% chance of survival and yet the world has gone stark raving bonkers.
They were preparing to roll it out when the government were spouting how effective the 3rd jab was going to be.
99.7% chance of survival and yet the world has gone stark raving bonkers.
In reply to Post #707
99.7% survival but how many beds will be needed to achieve 99.7% ?
I don't know the answer, not been on this thread much as I'm sitting on the fence on this one because I really don't know and I'm not seeking to find the answer through MSM, Facebook, Youtube or on here.
I'm hoping for 99.7% survival without medical intervention, and that we find out asap, that would be good.
99.7% survival but how many beds will be needed to achieve 99.7% ?
I don't know the answer, not been on this thread much as I'm sitting on the fence on this one because I really don't know and I'm not seeking to find the answer through MSM, Facebook, Youtube or on here.
I'm hoping for 99.7% survival without medical intervention, and that we find out asap, that would be good.
In reply to Post #707
They started their booster program end of July.. The fourth jab is available 6 months after the third, to those are 60 and at risk groups.
So April / May time in the UK could be time to roll up the sleeve again.
Survival one thing but hospitalization is where the challenge may be.
They started their booster program end of July.. The fourth jab is available 6 months after the third, to those are 60 and at risk groups.
So April / May time in the UK could be time to roll up the sleeve again.
Survival one thing but hospitalization is where the challenge may be.
In reply to Post #709
Hospitals are struggling due to Covid........with so many staff off sick being the reason.
Hospitals are struggling due to Covid........with so many staff off sick being the reason.
On news this morning Israel to begin roll out of 4th jab, bet it won't be cheapy old Astra Zeneca but profit making Pfizer or Moderna. The cash cow keeps returning to the milking shed.
The classic from Wales now is a £60 fine for going to work if you can work from home but you can still go to the pub for nothing if this was in a film it would be to unbelievable to watch.
The classic from Wales now is a £60 fine for going to work if you can work from home but you can still go to the pub for nothing
if this was in a film it would be to unbelievable to watch.
Let's not forget the four year old who was sleeping and being treated on a hospital floor before Covid came along.
Doesn't take much of a straw to break the back of the camel which is the NHS.
Doesn't take much of a straw to break the back of the camel which is the NHS.
Sag£ and pharma.....Sl££ping in the sam£ b£d.
In reply to Post #711
Is that right about Wales,if so that is crazy
Is that right about Wales,if so that is crazy
In reply to Post #708
The hospitals that were built for the first wave and never used are having work done to them.Machinery being wired up,systems all put in place,not a one of them is for covid.I have a family member doing the work like he did at the start,they have not once been used for covid patients (unless you believe the papers)
The hospitals that were built for the first wave and never used are having work done to them.Machinery being wired up,systems all put in place,not a one of them is for covid.I have a family member doing the work like he did at the start,they have not once been used for covid patients (unless you believe the papers)
I cannot do links but has anyone seen the clip of children thanking Nicola Sturgeon for keeping them safe. They're fcuking brainwashed and yet don't have an understanding at such a young age.
Sinister.
Propaganda at its finest and using these children as political pawns is just downright disgusting.
Sinister.
Propaganda at its finest and using these children as political pawns is just downright disgusting.
In reply to Post #715
Were they not taken down afterwards?.
Were they not taken down afterwards?.
In reply to Post #717
My dad helped build some of the nightingale hospitals, he owns a scenery and set building company for tv programmes and they were decimated in the lockdown, the hospital builds kept the guys going. Big big money was involved in building those hospitals, a couple of months after they all got paid again to decommission them, I think it was only the excel centre in east London that stayed built for any amount of time but your right, only a handful of people were ever treated.
My dad helped build some of the nightingale hospitals, he owns a scenery and set building company for tv programmes and they were decimated in the lockdown, the hospital builds kept the guys going. Big big money was involved in building those hospitals, a couple of months after they all got paid again to decommission them, I think it was only the excel centre in east London that stayed built for any amount of time but your right, only a handful of people were ever treated.
In reply to Post #716
I think a few of you on here have demonstrated you dont have to be a child to be brainwashed.......
I think a few of you on here have demonstrated you dont have to be a child to be brainwashed.......
In reply to Post #718
Boris was obviously reading the papers and listening to Witty, valance and there worst case scenario rather than probable scenario!
I see the big pharmaceutical companies are now gearing up towards long Covid and the various drugs / treatments they will sell the Governments around the world!
Boris was obviously reading the papers and listening to Witty, valance and there worst case scenario rather than probable scenario!
I see the big pharmaceutical companies are now gearing up towards long Covid and the various drugs / treatments they will sell the Governments around the world!
In reply to Post #719
Anyone noticed any new road signs that are to be put up directing people to covid vaccination centres yet?.
In reply to Post #717
No they weren't mate yet again more media bull****
No they weren't mate yet again more media bull****
In reply to Post #719
On the nightingale hospitals... who would be staffing them? NHS already reporting shortages for the hospitals we already have.
Maybe it'll be another chance to 'bring the army in' ....
Either that or they'll be in touch with all of us experts on here to run them eh?
On the nightingale hospitals... who would be staffing them? NHS already reporting shortages for the hospitals we already have.
Maybe it'll be another chance to 'bring the army in' ....
Either that or they'll be in touch with all of us experts on here to run them eh?
In reply to Post #720
Government giving £££££££££££££££££££££ to pharma whilst corrupt government officials take huge backhanders courtesy of the gullible taxpayer.
Government giving £££££££££££££££££££££ to pharma whilst corrupt government officials take huge backhanders courtesy of the gullible taxpayer.
In reply to Post #724
I wonder what will happen to the NHS staff in April with the threat of contract termination.......
I wonder what will happen to the NHS staff in April with the threat of contract termination.......
In reply to Post #724
Yes they were going to bring the military in and retired medical staff.They asked my father in law (paramedic 30+years)
Yes they were going to bring the military in and retired medical staff.They asked my father in law (paramedic 30+years)
In reply to Post #726
Covid is vanishing by then Wayne,anothacon is weak so the next mutation onelastcon will be the end by the end of March
Covid is vanishing by then Wayne,anothacon is weak so the next mutation onelastcon will be the end by the end of March
In reply to Post #727
I know someone that was a paramedic for 30 plus years too.......
I know someone that was a paramedic for 30 plus years too.......
In reply to Post #726
Sold off all in the disguise of how they couldn't cope with covid.
Sold off all in the disguise of how they couldn't cope with covid.
In reply to Post #720
Long Covid- my brother in law had Covid in October last year was pretty bad but kept out of hospital, unfortunately he's still suffering quite bad from long Covid and unable to return to the working world over a year later.
Very tough going from being the provider of his family to another mouth to feed suffering from constant tiredness and this has really effected his mental health and the happiness in his household.
I hope they find something to fix him 🤞- you can't put a cost on that.
Long Covid- my brother in law had Covid in October last year was pretty bad but kept out of hospital, unfortunately he's still suffering quite bad from long Covid and unable to return to the working world over a year later.
Very tough going from being the provider of his family to another mouth to feed suffering from constant tiredness and this has really effected his mental health and the happiness in his household.
I hope they find something to fix him 🤞- you can't put a cost on that.
In reply to Post #726
The same as care home staff I expect. The precedent has been set now.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if other public services are being considered for the same
Or does that make me sound as paranoid as you?
The same as care home staff I expect. The precedent has been set now.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if other public services are being considered for the same
Or does that make me sound as paranoid as you?
In reply to Post #732
I have heard to save on costs they are closing schools,the home schooling was a trial to see if it would work.It has been proven to be a success,better get your dancing shoes on Mal.You might be doing that famous dance in a few months
I have heard to save on costs they are closing schools,the home schooling was a trial to see if it would work.It has been proven to be a success,better get your dancing shoes on Mal.You might be doing that famous dance in a few months
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This is an interesting read on natural versus vaccine-induced immunity. It hasn't been cited by Right Said Fred or the Gillian the poo lady but might be worth a look.
This is an interesting read on natural versus vaccine-induced immunity. It hasn't been cited by Right Said Fred or the Gillian the poo lady but might be worth a look.
In reply to Post #732
There must be.a criminal case to answer to if .gov are actively coercing individuals to take medications or loose their employment if they chose not to take medications. Maybe it's all in these emergency powers and gives .gov the ability to swerve laws which would otherwise make such coercive practices illegal. I don't know.
All of this and the passport stuff is a very, very slippery slope all in the name of a flu with a 99.7% + survival rate for the vast majority, mind blowing.
There must be.a criminal case to answer to if .gov are actively coercing individuals to take medications or loose their employment if they chose not to take medications. Maybe it's all in these emergency powers and gives .gov the ability to swerve laws which would otherwise make such coercive practices illegal. I don't know.
All of this and the passport stuff is a very, very slippery slope all in the name of a flu with a 99.7% + survival rate for the vast majority, mind blowing.
In reply to Post #735
Nope. Not a criminal case. Some unfair dismissal test cases might surface but the silence was deafening in terms of support for care staff when it was voted through.
Speaking objectively on it, the primary justification is the protection of the vulnerable residents and patients who most likely don't have that 99.7% survival rate.
There are similar precedents. NHS staff have to be vaccinated for hepatitis B I'm told.
Bus drivers need additional driving qualifications.
People working with children and vulnerable adults undergo enhanced CRB checks.
The common thread being the protection of the people these employees come into contact with.
Nope. Not a criminal case. Some unfair dismissal test cases might surface but the silence was deafening in terms of support for care staff when it was voted through.
Speaking objectively on it, the primary justification is the protection of the vulnerable residents and patients who most likely don't have that 99.7% survival rate.
There are similar precedents. NHS staff have to be vaccinated for hepatitis B I'm told.
Bus drivers need additional driving qualifications.
People working with children and vulnerable adults undergo enhanced CRB checks.
The common thread being the protection of the people these employees come into contact with.
In reply to Post #734
Interesting read........I liked this part......” natural immunity should be treated as if they have been vaccinated and should not be discriminated against “
Interesting read........I liked this part......” natural immunity should be treated as if they have been vaccinated and should not be discriminated against “
In reply to Post #737
Yeah a good read
I liked the bit that points out that to gain natural immunity, you first have to contract the virus. You can't just decide to develop it without the risk of illness or worse.
Yeah a good read
I liked the bit that points out that to gain natural immunity, you first have to contract the virus. You can't just decide to develop it without the risk of illness or worse.
In reply to Post #736
As far as I'm aware, your doctor can not coerce you into taking medicine, and if they did, that would be illegal and lead to a criminal prosecution. I can only assume as I've mentioned in the post you've replied to is that these emergency powers somehow evade legal repercussions.
Nice strawman with your inclusions of bus drivers etc. What you're failing to grasp is that we're talking about a medical procedure forced on an employee. Also, and most importantly is that this medical procedure involves a drug that is still in its test stage and hasn't passed all the rigours that require any drug to go through before it's deemed safe for use with all of the known and associated risks/side effects clearly written on the packaging, just like any other drug out there being used...you know?
As far as I'm aware, your doctor can not coerce you into taking medicine, and if they did, that would be illegal and lead to a criminal prosecution. I can only assume as I've mentioned in the post you've replied to is that these emergency powers somehow evade legal repercussions.
Nice strawman with your inclusions of bus drivers etc. What you're failing to grasp is that we're talking about a medical procedure forced on an employee. Also, and most importantly is that this medical procedure involves a drug that is still in its test stage and hasn't passed all the rigours that require any drug to go through before it's deemed safe for use with all of the known and associated risks/side effects clearly written on the packaging, just like any other drug out there being used...you know?
Boom. And there you have it... nothingburger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59758784
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59758784
In reply to Post #736
If you are a childminder that works from home,checks have to be done on anyone 16 or over living at that address
If you are a childminder that works from home,checks have to be done on anyone 16 or over living at that address
In reply to Post #740
... but ... but ... isn't that the never-to-be-trusted-MSM?
... but ... but ... isn't that the never-to-be-trusted-MSM?
I still don't know anyone who has had ,got or died even from the lie'rus..
I mentioned before,the whole thing is sinister, I believe the British medical association are guilty of human rights abuse,along with the World health organisation..
The only winners are big pharmaceutical companies and corrupt governments,who slowly are destroying the hearts and minds of the people of this country,as well in other places..
It is Health communism..
Here are a couple of buzz type words
Mengele,forced vaccinations..on children
Goebbels,propaganda machine in over drive
People queuing up like sheep to take a placebo..
The lie'rus,..a epidemic,used as a pandemic of lies ,control and fearmongering..
If you have fallen for ,you are complicit ..
I also want to add ,in my village...several older people all seem to be dying at the same time,all double placebos,all in the same time frame jabbed..,bit odd...
I mentioned before,the whole thing is sinister, I believe the British medical association are guilty of human rights abuse,along with the World health organisation..
The only winners are big pharmaceutical companies and corrupt governments,who slowly are destroying the hearts and minds of the people of this country,as well in other places..
It is Health communism..
Here are a couple of buzz type words
Mengele,forced vaccinations..on children
Goebbels,propaganda machine in over drive
People queuing up like sheep to take a placebo..
The lie'rus,..a epidemic,used as a pandemic of lies ,control and fearmongering..
If you have fallen for ,you are complicit ..
I also want to add ,in my village...several older people all seem to be dying at the same time,all double placebos,all in the same time frame jabbed..,bit odd...
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In reply to Post #743
In reply to Post #744
Is that a photo of wandle in 2020 when he thought the fancy folk from the big city were coming to infect him?
Is that a photo of wandle in 2020 when he thought the fancy folk from the big city were coming to infect him?
In reply to Post #739
I'm not failing to grasp anything. Simply being objective and drawing relevant parallels about contracts of employment and how certain conditions are in place to protect others. There are medical conditions placed on lots of jobs. As said already, the hep B jab for nurses.
I've seen how it all transpired in the care sector through reading all of the correspondence and industry / union standpoints with my sister who was sacked from her job weeks ago. It's not a criminal case. Like I said, maybe some test cases for unfair dismissal and industrial tribunal etc might follow, but I wouldn't hold my breath - especially not at the moment...
I'm not defending it nor liking it. I am however able to see the opposing points of view.
Edit - Wandle. I've got it. It's horrible. (I realise you only know me from here but..)
Edit 2 - post 744. Those 5G protector helmets are flying off the shelves this Christmas eh?
I'm not failing to grasp anything. Simply being objective and drawing relevant parallels about contracts of employment and how certain conditions are in place to protect others. There are medical conditions placed on lots of jobs. As said already, the hep B jab for nurses.
I've seen how it all transpired in the care sector through reading all of the correspondence and industry / union standpoints with my sister who was sacked from her job weeks ago. It's not a criminal case. Like I said, maybe some test cases for unfair dismissal and industrial tribunal etc might follow, but I wouldn't hold my breath - especially not at the moment...
I'm not defending it nor liking it. I am however able to see the opposing points of view.
Edit - Wandle. I've got it. It's horrible. (I realise you only know me from here but..)
Edit 2 - post 744. Those 5G protector helmets are flying off the shelves this Christmas eh?
I don't know how many people have heard of the Nuremberg code,which was drawn up ,after the Nuremberg trials..
The question people should be asking ,has the British Government violated that code..,using these so called emergency powers..
If ,in a court of human rights ,and I believe in the future this will end up as a human rights abuse issue..
No one should be coerced to have a medical procedure incurred upon their bodies,that is wrong on every single level..
No one should be punished in any way shape or form to reject a vaccination if they do not want it..
I have a friend,who is so terrified,he will not leave his house,two years come this March ,he has not set outside his door,he has a health condition,and thanks to the media,he won't even go for a night time walk ..I feel so sorry for him,..how many are there out there like that,like my friend..?
Right now,there are some very clever people chomping at the bit ,waiting to now take the biggest lie of all,all the way,its just a matter of time..
Will there be a modern version,in another name like the Nuremberg trials...I believe there might well be..who knows..
26 years high ranking NHS ,employee,based in London, retired last year,known to us..even this person says ,its now a human rights abuse issue...thats from an ex NHS high profile person,who doesn't do bull*****..
The question people should be asking ,has the British Government violated that code..,using these so called emergency powers..
If ,in a court of human rights ,and I believe in the future this will end up as a human rights abuse issue..
No one should be coerced to have a medical procedure incurred upon their bodies,that is wrong on every single level..
No one should be punished in any way shape or form to reject a vaccination if they do not want it..
I have a friend,who is so terrified,he will not leave his house,two years come this March ,he has not set outside his door,he has a health condition,and thanks to the media,he won't even go for a night time walk ..I feel so sorry for him,..how many are there out there like that,like my friend..?
Right now,there are some very clever people chomping at the bit ,waiting to now take the biggest lie of all,all the way,its just a matter of time..
Will there be a modern version,in another name like the Nuremberg trials...I believe there might well be..who knows..
26 years high ranking NHS ,employee,based in London, retired last year,known to us..even this person says ,its now a human rights abuse issue...thats from an ex NHS high profile person,who doesn't do bull*****..
My worry is this....... People are changing and their may be no return. Example......
My mother/sister and brother in-law just cancelled their trip to the theatre with my old girl and kids as they don't want to catch or spread anything over Christmas. They are and always have been very scared of this whole thing. They all had their boosters as soon as they were released so are fully jabbed. Now I write this as I think, ok, it's good to take precautions but surly you still need to live life? My mother in law looks in shops before she goes in to see how many people are in there and my brother in law never came to a garden bbq in the summer in case he needed to go in the house for the toilet etc 🤷♂️.
My brother in law has been working from home since day one and watches bbc world news all day while working.
I worry for the human race but not directly due to the virus.
I hope you get better soon Mal 👍
My mother/sister and brother in-law just cancelled their trip to the theatre with my old girl and kids as they don't want to catch or spread anything over Christmas. They are and always have been very scared of this whole thing. They all had their boosters as soon as they were released so are fully jabbed. Now I write this as I think, ok, it's good to take precautions but surly you still need to live life? My mother in law looks in shops before she goes in to see how many people are in there and my brother in law never came to a garden bbq in the summer in case he needed to go in the house for the toilet etc 🤷♂️.
My brother in law has been working from home since day one and watches bbc world news all day while working.
I worry for the human race but not directly due to the virus.
I hope you get better soon Mal 👍
In reply to Post #747
I still don't see how a parallel can be drawn from bus drivers as I pointed out, doctors actually on the job and having to get a Hep jab, I can get that if that's part on an existing contract. I'll hold me hands up and admit I know zilch about contracts and how the law works in this regard. I reality, I'm just asking questions.
Given the piece on the BBC, let's hope that this is going to be the end of all of this madness and get back to some sort of normal, whatever normal is for bods.
Hope you start to feel better soon Mal 👍
I still don't see how a parallel can be drawn from bus drivers as I pointed out, doctors actually on the job and having to get a Hep jab, I can get that if that's part on an existing contract. I'll hold me hands up and admit I know zilch about contracts and how the law works in this regard. I reality, I'm just asking questions.
Given the piece on the BBC, let's hope that this is going to be the end of all of this madness and get back to some sort of normal, whatever normal is for bods.
Hope you start to feel better soon Mal 👍
In reply to Post #750
Just that the rules are there to protect the people who access the service.
Thanks (to publiclife also) for the well wishes
Just that the rules are there to protect the people who access the service.
Thanks (to publiclife also) for the well wishes
Seriously hope you get better Mal..and you are quite correct a terrible precedent has now been set for all future generations.
I have four children,I pray for my unborn grandchildren,I feel so sorry seeing those kids walking past going to school,if it's not a green agenda shoved down their throats ,it's this virus..
It's not living,it's fearmongering...
Is it about Health communism,or the Health passport's who knows..
It's very sinister,evil...and quite terrifying..
One thing....wait n see...The World Health Organisation,at some point will be questioned,and possibly discredited.as will the highest of the high in the British Medical association..Whitty ,Van Tam ,the others...they are not untouchable..
No one is..
I have four children,I pray for my unborn grandchildren,I feel so sorry seeing those kids walking past going to school,if it's not a green agenda shoved down their throats ,it's this virus..
It's not living,it's fearmongering...
Is it about Health communism,or the Health passport's who knows..
It's very sinister,evil...and quite terrifying..
One thing....wait n see...The World Health Organisation,at some point will be questioned,and possibly discredited.as will the highest of the high in the British Medical association..Whitty ,Van Tam ,the others...they are not untouchable..
No one is..
In reply to Post #711
That Welsh minister seems to be an open minded chap.... Not.
That Welsh minister seems to be an open minded chap.... Not.
In reply to Post #752
Thanks mate.
I'm more optimistic. I see green issues as a way of preserving a future for our kids and grandkids.
As for fear mongering- was it ever any different? Every generation has had its own 'bogeymen'
The Russians / Iraqis / Taliban
AIDS
Nuclear war (I studied z for zachariah in school and remember vividly the Raymond Briggs book)
Before that? Martians
The devil / the wrath of the Lord
There's always been something that we're supposed to live in fear of. If we can find our way without becoming ars*holes then that's a start eh?
Thanks mate.
I'm more optimistic. I see green issues as a way of preserving a future for our kids and grandkids.
As for fear mongering- was it ever any different? Every generation has had its own 'bogeymen'
The Russians / Iraqis / Taliban
AIDS
Nuclear war (I studied z for zachariah in school and remember vividly the Raymond Briggs book)
Before that? Martians
The devil / the wrath of the Lord
There's always been something that we're supposed to live in fear of. If we can find our way without becoming ars*holes then that's a start eh?
In reply to Post #749
Get them to ditch the TeeVee license, you'll save their minds 👍
Get them to ditch the TeeVee license, you'll save their minds 👍
You can see the damage that has been done with the mention of “omicron” mass cancellations across various sectors and out right fear from people watching to much MSM and daily rags without looking at the data and statistics mostly because it's so bloody hard to find.......
However I managed to find ONS data after trawling through loads of documents and Slides for unvaccinated / vaccinated hospital admissions where they stayed at least 1 night and it states the following......
weeks 42-45
3313 unvaccinated in hospital and a total of 378023 cases.
6786 vaccinated in hospital (1-2 jabs) and a total of 507,144 cases
Weeks 46-49
3512 unvaccinated in hospital and a total of 417,004 cases,
4612 vaccinated in hospital (1-2 jabs) and a total of 595756 cases.
I couldn't find ICU data although I'm still looking....but you can clearly see it's not 90% unvaccinated in hospitals like many rags tell the public.....
However I managed to find ONS data after trawling through loads of documents and Slides for unvaccinated / vaccinated hospital admissions where they stayed at least 1 night and it states the following......
weeks 42-45
3313 unvaccinated in hospital and a total of 378023 cases.
6786 vaccinated in hospital (1-2 jabs) and a total of 507,144 cases
Weeks 46-49
3512 unvaccinated in hospital and a total of 417,004 cases,
4612 vaccinated in hospital (1-2 jabs) and a total of 595756 cases.
I couldn't find ICU data although I'm still looking....but you can clearly see it's not 90% unvaccinated in hospitals like many rags tell the public.....
In reply to Post #756
They are now lowering the isolation period to 7 days,if you test negative on the 6th day then you can go out on the 7th
They are now lowering the isolation period to 7 days,if you test negative on the 6th day then you can go out on the 7th
In reply to Post #757
Don't think that applies to unvaccinated......
Don't think that applies to unvaccinated......
In reply to Post #758
Just don't do any tests and you're always clear
Just don't do any tests and you're always clear
In reply to Post #756
Didnt they report it being needing the most amount of care? That's what I saw anyhow
Didnt they report it being needing the most amount of care? That's what I saw anyhow
In reply to Post #760
Headlines have been hospitals are full and it's made up of unvaccinated patients.......one rag said 9 out of 10 people are unvaccinated .......
Headlines have been hospitals are full and it's made up of unvaccinated patients.......one rag said 9 out of 10 people are unvaccinated .......
In reply to Post #756
Do you know what the age groups are for this data as that would be really useful.
We know that for the at risk groups and the over 60s the vaccines have made a massive difference.
I suspects a lot of unvaccinated are in the younger age groups where you would not expect people to end up in hospital.
If you could compared group to group throughout the age groups that would give a better assessment.
Do you know what the age groups are for this data as that would be really useful.
We know that for the at risk groups and the over 60s the vaccines have made a massive difference.
I suspects a lot of unvaccinated are in the younger age groups where you would not expect people to end up in hospital.
If you could compared group to group throughout the age groups that would give a better assessment.
In reply to Post #762
As to how true this is I don't know but I saw an article earlier that said since the emergence of Omnicrom, 8 people worldwide have died with an average age of 83 yet there's been nearly 300 suicides ages between 20-55 who had previously struggled with anxiety and depression from lockdowns.
As to how true this is I don't know but I saw an article earlier that said since the emergence of Omnicrom, 8 people worldwide have died with an average age of 83 yet there's been nearly 300 suicides ages between 20-55 who had previously struggled with anxiety and depression from lockdowns.
In reply to Post #763
Wont be true. They can't know that stuff.
Wont be true. They can't know that stuff.
In reply to Post #764
I'd say testimony of family and friends in that situation is as reliable as saying anybody who died testing positive for covid died of covid.
I know somebody who killed themselves through financial worry and somebody's husband/dad dying of a missed cancer diagnosis, I don't know anybody who died of the virus (except word of an old boy from the shop who had a bug eye, crook arm and breathing issues because his parents were 100% cousins). My missus spent every appointment of her pregnancy alone except the birth, some women were being told their babies had miscarried or will be born with disabilities without a partner at their side. The social impact on those with their whole lives ahead of them has been huge, were we not a nation of fat ****s reared on turkey twizzlers with a semi functioning nhs it could have potentially all been different.
Was on site today, 70-80% of people coughing and spluttering. This when the ‘experts' said if you live in London and have a cold it's probably covid. Nobody says anything but right the way through all this you can just tell that people can't afford to not work, hence they didn't try locking us down.. who's going to enforce it on 000s of big hairy louts?
I'd say testimony of family and friends in that situation is as reliable as saying anybody who died testing positive for covid died of covid.
I know somebody who killed themselves through financial worry and somebody's husband/dad dying of a missed cancer diagnosis, I don't know anybody who died of the virus (except word of an old boy from the shop who had a bug eye, crook arm and breathing issues because his parents were 100% cousins). My missus spent every appointment of her pregnancy alone except the birth, some women were being told their babies had miscarried or will be born with disabilities without a partner at their side. The social impact on those with their whole lives ahead of them has been huge, were we not a nation of fat ****s reared on turkey twizzlers with a semi functioning nhs it could have potentially all been different.
Was on site today, 70-80% of people coughing and spluttering. This when the ‘experts' said if you live in London and have a cold it's probably covid. Nobody says anything but right the way through all this you can just tell that people can't afford to not work, hence they didn't try locking us down.. who's going to enforce it on 000s of big hairy louts?
The number are not as straight forward anymore. The deliberate goal post moving and confusion, creating divide and frustration.
Now, if someone is double jabbed and tests positive, they go down on the statistics as “unvaccinated” same goes for hospital admissions. Someone double jabbed rocks up at the hospital with a broken leg and tests “positive” they are thrown into the “unvaccinated” numbers.
Smoke and mirrors, deception, untrustworthy statistics, untrustworthy governance.
Now, if someone is double jabbed and tests positive, they go down on the statistics as “unvaccinated” same goes for hospital admissions. Someone double jabbed rocks up at the hospital with a broken leg and tests “positive” they are thrown into the “unvaccinated” numbers.
Smoke and mirrors, deception, untrustworthy statistics, untrustworthy governance.
In reply to Post #766
quote - if someone is double jabbed and tests positive, they go down on the statistics as “unvaccinated”
How does that work? think you may have that wrong. Basis that every one rocking up in hospital for what ever reason would be "unvaccinated"
quote - if someone is double jabbed and tests positive, they go down on the statistics as “unvaccinated”
How does that work? think you may have that wrong. Basis that every one rocking up in hospital for what ever reason would be "unvaccinated"
In reply to Post #765
Noj, I think it's probably correct to be honest, I know people that have really struggled this last year, whether it be financially or emotionally feeling completely alone.
Me (28) and a mate (31) had a conversation on this the other day, between us we know of three blokes that have killed themselves over the last couple of years. One of them was drug related so can't be included but the other two are out of the blue.
Noj, I think it's probably correct to be honest, I know people that have really struggled this last year, whether it be financially or emotionally feeling completely alone.
Me (28) and a mate (31) had a conversation on this the other day, between us we know of three blokes that have killed themselves over the last couple of years. One of them was drug related so can't be included but the other two are out of the blue.
In reply to Post #767
How it works, if you aren't “up to date” with your inoculations you are no longer in the class of vaccinated.
So every time they “offer” you another booster the goal posts change.
How it works, if you aren't “up to date” with your inoculations you are no longer in the class of vaccinated.
So every time they “offer” you another booster the goal posts change.
In reply to Post #769
So technically on the first day of a new booster being available everyone in the country is unvaccinated
So technically on the first day of a new booster being available everyone in the country is unvaccinated
In reply to Post #770
As i understand it that is right. Remember countries started saying if you don't have 3 jabs you are not classed as vaccinated. ****ing wrong on every level.
So this year i have had a pneumococcal booster(no spleen), flu jab, and 3 covid jabs but won't go near any business that requires a vaccine passport or a negative LFT as I don't need to show or explain my medical history to any Tom, Dick and Harry. But i have just realised on that i have just disclosed it to any Tom, Dick or Harry on here.
If people don't want vaccination thats fine by me, they have their reasons and should not have to explain to anyone why they don't want one.
And as for that **** Blair calling people "idiots" that helps the situation doesn't it. Absolute clown and war criminal.
As i understand it that is right. Remember countries started saying if you don't have 3 jabs you are not classed as vaccinated. ****ing wrong on every level.
So this year i have had a pneumococcal booster(no spleen), flu jab, and 3 covid jabs but won't go near any business that requires a vaccine passport or a negative LFT as I don't need to show or explain my medical history to any Tom, Dick and Harry. But i have just realised on that i have just disclosed it to any Tom, Dick or Harry on here.
If people don't want vaccination thats fine by me, they have their reasons and should not have to explain to anyone why they don't want one.
And as for that **** Blair calling people "idiots" that helps the situation doesn't it. Absolute clown and war criminal.
In reply to Post #763
I did some research into suicide for a play a few years back
It's the biggest cause of death in young men (18-45) in the UK and has been for some time - predating the pandemic. The financial worries, increased isolation, loss of friends and family etc. as a result of covid must have made things even worse.
I did some research into suicide for a play a few years back
It's the biggest cause of death in young men (18-45) in the UK and has been for some time - predating the pandemic. The financial worries, increased isolation, loss of friends and family etc. as a result of covid must have made things even worse.
My friend committed suicide this year. He had no one to turn to in the end. COVID closed down all avenues. Really sad. He got picked up by the police (losing the plot in a public space) 3 times in a week only for them to take him to the hospital and just dump him in the waiting room (it says on his history notes not to leave him alone) he then of course just stands up and leaves but on the third time he got taken home where he had to listen to the police and ambulance service argue over who should help him he then got taken by ambulance to A&E where yet again he got left in the waiting room and so of course just walked out. This time though he got on a train to Manchester where he found a building with scaffold up around it and climbed to the top and jumped. Spent a week in intensive care where he looked like he was getting stronger only for a blood clot to travel up to his brain one night and was pronounced brain dead in the morning.
These kind of stories will be told for many years after this is all over.
These kind of stories will be told for many years after this is all over.
In case anyone reading this thread needs it, a reminder of the help that is out there.
Childline: 0800 1111
Samaritans: 116 123
Domestic Violence Hotline: 0808 2000 247
Mind: 0300 123 3393
Age UK: 0800 169 6565
Alcoholics Anonymous : 0800 9177 650
Cruse Bereavement Care: 0808 808 1677
Childline: 0800 1111
Samaritans: 116 123
Domestic Violence Hotline: 0808 2000 247
Mind: 0300 123 3393
Age UK: 0800 169 6565
Alcoholics Anonymous : 0800 9177 650
Cruse Bereavement Care: 0808 808 1677
In reply to Post #740
Absolute must watch documentary on BBC2 about the Covid-19 pandemic, tomorrow night at 9.00pm. Two brothers from the Wuhan Research Centre, where Trump suspects it was engineered, were due to get on Flight MH370 that mysteriously disappeared. It seems they were the guys behind the development of the new strain, and intending to use it as a weapon. Someone caught wind of their plans and purposely downed the plane. BUT... neither of them got on the flight and no-one knows what happened to them. It's really interesting....
Don't miss it ...it's called 'Two Wongs Don't Make a Flight'
Absolute must watch documentary on BBC2 about the Covid-19 pandemic, tomorrow night at 9.00pm. Two brothers from the Wuhan Research Centre, where Trump suspects it was engineered, were due to get on Flight MH370 that mysteriously disappeared. It seems they were the guys behind the development of the new strain, and intending to use it as a weapon. Someone caught wind of their plans and purposely downed the plane. BUT... neither of them got on the flight and no-one knows what happened to them. It's really interesting....
Don't miss it ...it's called 'Two Wongs Don't Make a Flight'
In reply to Post #774
And never underestimate the value of a phone call or message to someone just to say hi / how are you?
Even on here, people who you have never met take a moment to send a pm - and I don't just mean the young Russian lady who wants to share her photos with us.
I can tell you from personal experience it is hugely valued and appreciated.
Publiclife - sorry to hear about your mate. An awful story that as you rightly say, won't be unique.
And never underestimate the value of a phone call or message to someone just to say hi / how are you?
Even on here, people who you have never met take a moment to send a pm - and I don't just mean the young Russian lady who wants to share her photos with us.
I can tell you from personal experience it is hugely valued and appreciated.
Publiclife - sorry to hear about your mate. An awful story that as you rightly say, won't be unique.
In reply to Post #776
Who's this russian bird? I need intel...stat !!!
Who's this russian bird? I need intel...stat !!!
I must firstly admit to being an hypocrite, because if required I shall be getting a fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, twelfth, thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth, sixteenth, seventeenth, eighteenth, nineteenth, twentieth or whateverittakesieth jab If it means being allowed to attend to support my good mate Nathan Heaney on his progression in his boxing career.
Expect 4-5 jabs a year if talk of booster jabs begin to wane after 10 weeks is indeed true.
Looking forward to resembling by the end of 2023 a Phil the power dartboard.
Looking forward to resembling by the end of 2023 a Phil the power dartboard.
In reply to Post #779
If the vaccines are so effective...
Who are the unvaccinated a threat to?
If the vaccines are so effective...
Who are the unvaccinated a threat to?
In reply to Post #781
And if it's true that the double jabbed are classed as unvaccinated it speaks volumes.
These things aren't cutting the mustard
And if it's true that the double jabbed are classed as unvaccinated it speaks volumes.
These things aren't cutting the mustard
In reply to Post #782
Let's hope this is the beginning of the end,what are we going to talk about if covid disappears
Let's hope this is the beginning of the end,what are we going to talk about if covid disappears
Amazing what stories you pick and choose from the devil that is the MSM, it's almost like you're picking them to suit your own agenda.
In reply to Post #785
Who are you replying to?
Who are you replying to?
In reply to Post #785
In reply to Post #785
Oh and the old 10 week booster shots.. haha
They've barely had 10 weeks of this variant to come to these conclusions, surely not more mathematical modelling?
Like the guy on lbc yesterday saying the link between vaccines and fertility have been proved to be complete nonsense... Duggs and many many others would tend to disagree
And vaccines were safe for pregnant women before the time scale had allowed a mother to complete her pregnancy term and monitor early development of the baby.
They're lying.. not about the virus' existence, but the measures being used to protect the unfit for purpose health service are for their benefit; not ours!
Remember when kids didn't need the vaccine and risk of side effects outweighed the jab? But we jabbed then anyway, why, so as not to disturb their education... wtf it's rife in bloody schools!!
ffs
Oh and the old 10 week booster shots.. haha
They've barely had 10 weeks of this variant to come to these conclusions, surely not more mathematical modelling?
Like the guy on lbc yesterday saying the link between vaccines and fertility have been proved to be complete nonsense... Duggs and many many others would tend to disagree
And vaccines were safe for pregnant women before the time scale had allowed a mother to complete her pregnancy term and monitor early development of the baby.
They're lying.. not about the virus' existence, but the measures being used to protect the unfit for purpose health service are for their benefit; not ours!
Remember when kids didn't need the vaccine and risk of side effects outweighed the jab? But we jabbed then anyway, why, so as not to disturb their education... wtf it's rife in bloody schools!!
ffs
In reply to Post #779
Also Josh you have to take into consideration they say it takes 2 weeks to get to optimum levels, so your only "covered" for 8 weeks before it begins to wane.
Im double jabbed but that's as far as im going with these jabs. Im early 40s, relatively fit, healthy, no underlying conditions, double jabbed, and have had covid
Also Josh you have to take into consideration they say it takes 2 weeks to get to optimum levels, so your only "covered" for 8 weeks before it begins to wane.
Im double jabbed but that's as far as im going with these jabs. Im early 40s, relatively fit, healthy, no underlying conditions, double jabbed, and have had covid
In reply to Post #780
Themselves and anyone they come into contact with. Simple.
Noj - so what if the COVID is found after people are in hospital? They still have it. My dad went into hospital with pulmonary fibrosis and when they were treating him they found bowel cancer. It's how medical tests work. They find stuff. It's not a game show - 'oh I'm sorry but I can only accept your first disease. What a shame, still here's the treatment you could've won' ....
As for your other ones.... We all know Boris is a Berk. And the other? Well there's cocaine users for you eh?
Themselves and anyone they come into contact with. Simple.
Noj - so what if the COVID is found after people are in hospital? They still have it. My dad went into hospital with pulmonary fibrosis and when they were treating him they found bowel cancer. It's how medical tests work. They find stuff. It's not a game show - 'oh I'm sorry but I can only accept your first disease. What a shame, still here's the treatment you could've won' ....
As for your other ones.... We all know Boris is a Berk. And the other? Well there's cocaine users for you eh?
In reply to Post #792
Pushing fear is what people do to support their agenda. Same as the idiots with placards outside schools shouting at kids that they will die if they have a vaccine
And the fact remains that the proportion of the unvaccinated in hospital against overall numbers in society shows a far smaller group creating a far bigger problem for the NHS
Pushing fear is what people do to support their agenda. Same as the idiots with placards outside schools shouting at kids that they will die if they have a vaccine
And the fact remains that the proportion of the unvaccinated in hospital against overall numbers in society shows a far smaller group creating a far bigger problem for the NHS
In reply to Post #793
Yes Mal to point 1, but this is the kind of crap that drives the high all mighty scared ****less vaccinated Karen's!
Proportion yes but only just, numbers no......20 million unvaccinated in this country if you include kids! 48 million vaccinated!
Yes Mal to point 1, but this is the kind of crap that drives the high all mighty scared ****less vaccinated Karen's!
Proportion yes but only just, numbers no......20 million unvaccinated in this country if you include kids! 48 million vaccinated!
In reply to Post #794
Wayne, I absolutely guarantee that you are more scared of vaccination than I am of covid. It is obvious from the way you (and several others on this thread) manifest your fear as anger towards us brave folk who went and got jabbed for the greater good.
......and my reply to your next comment: If you claim you are not scared of vaccination, prove it and get done.
Wayne, I absolutely guarantee that you are more scared of vaccination than I am of covid. It is obvious from the way you (and several others on this thread) manifest your fear as anger towards us brave folk who went and got jabbed for the greater good.
......and my reply to your next comment: If you claim you are not scared of vaccination, prove it and get done.
In reply to Post #793
Those ****s outside schools trying to force their views on kids and parents should be vaccinated by force to teach them a lesson, 4 shots worth.
And yes, those cocaine users are an unorthodox bunch of ladies aren't they
Those ****s outside schools trying to force their views on kids and parents should be vaccinated by force to teach them a lesson, 4 shots worth.
And yes, those cocaine users are an unorthodox bunch of ladies aren't they
In reply to Post #796
In reply to Post #795
No Vince, I'm not scared of the vaccine.......I'm concerned about no long term data to make the right decision......
No Vince, I'm not scared of the vaccine.......I'm concerned about no long term data to make the right decision......
In reply to Post #795
I'm not literally kacking myself about the clot shot, just not getting it.
As for the VaxHards, I'd say the vast majority are just goyim and follow what their told to believe. Mindlessly consooooming the horrors inserted into their nuts by the sock puppets on the TeeVee, I mean, you only have to look at people driving around in their cars wearing masks like the good little goyim they are to realise they'll do anything their told without a thought or question. Weird how the leftists just can't get enough of what their told to do by big daddy gubberment, the wild anti establishment types that they are, kek.
The hilarity in all of this, when the VaxHards do eventually catch the coof, even after all of their jibby-jabs to the moon, their mindless mask wearing, the endless disinfecting of their hands, they catch the coof and reeeeeee that's it's all the fault of the unvaccinated. Seriously.
All you had to do was ride out the crazy, f..k off watching the doom pron on the TeeVee, it was all ganna pass, but no, gibs me dat test clot shot Dr Mengele, I wants to be a live lab rat...so stunning, so brave. My sides.
I'm not literally kacking myself about the clot shot, just not getting it.
As for the VaxHards, I'd say the vast majority are just goyim and follow what their told to believe. Mindlessly consooooming the horrors inserted into their nuts by the sock puppets on the TeeVee, I mean, you only have to look at people driving around in their cars wearing masks like the good little goyim they are to realise they'll do anything their told without a thought or question. Weird how the leftists just can't get enough of what their told to do by big daddy gubberment, the wild anti establishment types that they are, kek.
The hilarity in all of this, when the VaxHards do eventually catch the coof, even after all of their jibby-jabs to the moon, their mindless mask wearing, the endless disinfecting of their hands, they catch the coof and reeeeeee that's it's all the fault of the unvaccinated. Seriously.
All you had to do was ride out the crazy, f..k off watching the doom pron on the TeeVee, it was all ganna pass, but no, gibs me dat test clot shot Dr Mengele, I wants to be a live lab rat...so stunning, so brave. My sides.
In reply to Post #799
You prove my point beautifully.
You prove my point beautifully.
In reply to Post #799
What about those of us that done it to restore some normality for -->ALL<-- of us
Because regardless of what you, me or anyone else thinks of the jab, if the majority hadn't of had it id bet every penny ive got we would still be living under greater restrictions. This is the point my anti mate cant grasp, us plebs having it has helped you live your life pretty much normally the last 8 months, yet he is very quick to mock me and others that have had the jab. Like i said below, im done now for jabs, i did my bit, but now i think it should only be for the vulnerable and elderly
What about those of us that done it to restore some normality for -->ALL<-- of us
Because regardless of what you, me or anyone else thinks of the jab, if the majority hadn't of had it id bet every penny ive got we would still be living under greater restrictions. This is the point my anti mate cant grasp, us plebs having it has helped you live your life pretty much normally the last 8 months, yet he is very quick to mock me and others that have had the jab. Like i said below, im done now for jabs, i did my bit, but now i think it should only be for the vulnerable and elderly
In reply to Post #800
Mental gymnastics much?
Mental gymnastics much?
In reply to Post #799
Utterly pathetic post
Shows not just your ignorance of current events but of history too.
Go find more silly pictures on the Internet or something
Utterly pathetic post
Shows not just your ignorance of current events but of history too.
Go find more silly pictures on the Internet or something
In reply to Post #799
Can you not just write what you want to say properly rather than all that gibberish trying to sound like a little hoodrat?
Can you not just write what you want to say properly rather than all that gibberish trying to sound like a little hoodrat?
In reply to Post #801
I've got no idea of what your rational was to get jabbed up. You could string me a whole load of *reasons* as to why, all of them could be a lie; just got to take you on face value.
As anecdotal as it may be, I know of loads of people that have only had to clot shot just to be able to go on holiday...carrot and stick? I asked one of my close mates if he'd go as far and have a chip implant in him to prove he's been jabbed up, he said he wouldn't hesitate if it would mean he could go on holiday. I asked my mate, 'and what about the implications for others, you know, bods like me having to get chipped up just so you can go on holiday?' he said he just doesn't care, all he's interested in is going on holiday; this incidentally came from a hardcore leftist.
If left to its own devices, no jabs but only for the most vulnerable, this would have blown over I don't doubt, instead, all that's happened is the inevitable was prolonged = virus becomes less deadly over time and you lot have have been pumped with experimental drugs.
I've got no idea of what your rational was to get jabbed up. You could string me a whole load of *reasons* as to why, all of them could be a lie; just got to take you on face value.
As anecdotal as it may be, I know of loads of people that have only had to clot shot just to be able to go on holiday...carrot and stick? I asked one of my close mates if he'd go as far and have a chip implant in him to prove he's been jabbed up, he said he wouldn't hesitate if it would mean he could go on holiday. I asked my mate, 'and what about the implications for others, you know, bods like me having to get chipped up just so you can go on holiday?' he said he just doesn't care, all he's interested in is going on holiday; this incidentally came from a hardcore leftist.
If left to its own devices, no jabs but only for the most vulnerable, this would have blown over I don't doubt, instead, all that's happened is the inevitable was prolonged = virus becomes less deadly over time and you lot have have been pumped with experimental drugs.
In reply to Post #803
Just for you..
Just for you..
In reply to Post #805
So you honestly think if no one had the jab we would be living a normal life?
Quote - If left to its own devices, no jabs but only for the most vulnerable, this would have blown over I don't doubt, instead, all that's happened is the inevitable was prolonged = virus becomes less deadly over time and you lot have have been pumped with experimental drugs.
do you have anything to back this up or is that just your hunch?
So you honestly think if no one had the jab we would be living a normal life?
Quote - If left to its own devices, no jabs but only for the most vulnerable, this would have blown over I don't doubt, instead, all that's happened is the inevitable was prolonged = virus becomes less deadly over time and you lot have have been pumped with experimental drugs.
do you have anything to back this up or is that just your hunch?
In reply to Post #807
Don't feed the troll.
Don't feed the troll.
In reply to Post #807
Yeah, history backs up my claim.
Spanish flu, Honk Kong flu, SARS etc. The only difference with all the aforementioned is that there wasn't mass lockdowns, which, as has been proven to be correct, didn't do anything to stop this thing, all that ever happened was it was prolonged and protracted until this thing re-wrote itself and is soon to just become a background noise like all seasonal flu's.
Yeah, history backs up my claim.
Spanish flu, Honk Kong flu, SARS etc. The only difference with all the aforementioned is that there wasn't mass lockdowns, which, as has been proven to be correct, didn't do anything to stop this thing, all that ever happened was it was prolonged and protracted until this thing re-wrote itself and is soon to just become a background noise like all seasonal flu's.
In reply to Post #805
If you end up in hospital with Covid (I really hope it does not happen) are you going to be upset if the doctors whilst battling for your life have to use a experimental drug ?
Of course not so I don't see what your problem is.
If you end up in hospital with Covid (I really hope it does not happen) are you going to be upset if the doctors whilst battling for your life have to use a experimental drug ?
Of course not so I don't see what your problem is.
In reply to Post #809
How many people died in the process of Spanish Flu gradually mutating to a less deadly strain?
EDIT: Actually, don't bother replying.
How many people died in the process of Spanish Flu gradually mutating to a less deadly strain?
EDIT: Actually, don't bother replying.
In reply to Post #811
An estimated 20 to 50 million.
An estimated 20 to 50 million.
In reply to Post #811
Around 50 million wasn't?
Comparing SARS, Spanish Flu, or any other significant virus outbreak with Covid basically just shows total ignorance and lack of true insight into the current situation.
I think your post 808 is pretty much on the money!
Around 50 million wasn't?
Comparing SARS, Spanish Flu, or any other significant virus outbreak with Covid basically just shows total ignorance and lack of true insight into the current situation.
I think your post 808 is pretty much on the money!
In reply to Post #810
If you'd have been following things, you'd realize that if you were in hospital with the coof, no vaccination is ganna help you. Moot point.
Still wouldn't take it.
If you'd have been following things, you'd realize that if you were in hospital with the coof, no vaccination is ganna help you. Moot point.
Still wouldn't take it.
In reply to Post #814
No you wouldn't be there in the first place.
But how about if you had an accident and they had to use a experimental drug would you still be whining about your human rights post event ?
No point throwing numbers of how many vaccinated in hospital you need to use the data properly and include the age groups vaccinated vs unvaccinated
No you wouldn't be there in the first place.
But how about if you had an accident and they had to use a experimental drug would you still be whining about your human rights post event ?
No point throwing numbers of how many vaccinated in hospital you need to use the data properly and include the age groups vaccinated vs unvaccinated
In reply to Post #808
You don't have to feed TC he'll keep spewing the tripe out anyway. Best just blast a few pouches of slow sinking casters at him and watch the water boil
You don't have to feed TC he'll keep spewing the tripe out anyway. Best just blast a few pouches of slow sinking casters at him and watch the water boil
In reply to Post #815
Oh, well since you put it like that, I'll just book up to get a load of trial gumbo...
Still not getting it lmao.
Oh, well since you put it like that, I'll just book up to get a load of trial gumbo...
Still not getting it lmao.
In reply to Post #801
Exactly, it's those who have stepped up for the jab is the reason why the country isnt screwed, but all the thanks you get for the unvaccinated is that we are somehow living in fear. Genuinely cant wait until the summer when they all want to go abroad on holiday, let's see their morals then, no matter what they say, there are only so many holidays you can have in rainy blighty before a foreign holiday seems a good idea.
Exactly, it's those who have stepped up for the jab is the reason why the country isnt screwed, but all the thanks you get for the unvaccinated is that we are somehow living in fear. Genuinely cant wait until the summer when they all want to go abroad on holiday, let's see their morals then, no matter what they say, there are only so many holidays you can have in rainy blighty before a foreign holiday seems a good idea.
In reply to Post #816
In reply to Post #817
And if you looked back on this thread I've an old mate who spent 4 days on a ventilator because he got sucked in by all the anti vax rubbish he put his wife, kids & elderly parents through hell.
He's admitted he was a selfish idiot and will now be getting vaccinated.
So when we say it's our choice I hope your taking your friends and family into account with that decision.
And if you looked back on this thread I've an old mate who spent 4 days on a ventilator because he got sucked in by all the anti vax rubbish he put his wife, kids & elderly parents through hell.
He's admitted he was a selfish idiot and will now be getting vaccinated.
So when we say it's our choice I hope your taking your friends and family into account with that decision.
In reply to Post #820
Enough already with the special pleading.
And I've not caught it or aware that I've caught it all the way through, so what's your point? I know of a load of people that have wives or family members that have had it yet other members of the same family living in the same household haven't caught it. So many reasons as to why your mate went down with it.
The inevitability of your and my existence it's it's inevitable demise. If I die of the coof, then so be it.
Enough already with the special pleading.
And I've not caught it or aware that I've caught it all the way through, so what's your point? I know of a load of people that have wives or family members that have had it yet other members of the same family living in the same household haven't caught it. So many reasons as to why your mate went down with it.
The inevitability of your and my existence it's it's inevitable demise. If I die of the coof, then so be it.
In reply to Post #809
History also shows 50m died during the Spanish flu, so just to be clear you'd be happy for similar number of people to die and just let it faze out
History also shows 50m died during the Spanish flu, so just to be clear you'd be happy for similar number of people to die and just let it faze out
In reply to Post #820
Don't get duped fella.
You could tell it wasn't true when he said 'I've got a mate...'
Also the cat picture is faked. Everyone knows vampires can't be photographed
Don't get duped fella.
You could tell it wasn't true when he said 'I've got a mate...'
Also the cat picture is faked. Everyone knows vampires can't be photographed
This is all crazy talk about viruses dying out... covid will be around forever.. delta, the all conquering 40 something unvaccinated and child killer. We all know where that is now
Gone in 3 weeks
You don't get antibody response sufficient for potential exposure for 3 months post vaccination... boosters, yeah they last 10 weeks pal
Gone in 3 weeks
You don't get antibody response sufficient for potential exposure for 3 months post vaccination... boosters, yeah they last 10 weeks pal
It could be worse
The RMT could be choosing today to go on strike in an utterly selfish action that will stop families from being together at Christmas
Oh... hang on.....
The RMT could be choosing today to go on strike in an utterly selfish action that will stop families from being together at Christmas
Oh... hang on.....
In reply to Post #825
Oi watch it
I love unions
Oi watch it
I love unions
In reply to Post #826
Course you do you big old lefty
Course you do you big old lefty
If 1/3 of covid cases are asymptomatically testing on hospital wards and the R number is 4 or whatever it is; is it time to accept the nhs are spreading covid
Not exclusively, but they're spreading it
Not exclusively, but they're spreading it
In reply to Post #827
I'm impartial.
In political discussions I prefer to be referred to as they, them etc. Thanks
I'm impartial.
In political discussions I prefer to be referred to as they, them etc. Thanks
Maybe we should be raising a glass of festive cheer to the US Army.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10335105/Army-announce-developed-single-vaccine-protects-variants-COVID-SARS.html
Game over?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10335105/Army-announce-developed-single-vaccine-protects-variants-COVID-SARS.html
Game over?
In reply to Post #830
Nanoparticles, what could possibly go wrong?
Nanoparticles, what could possibly go wrong?
In reply to Post #831
Everyone listen to our resident google scientist
Nano particles are used in a whole range of drugs. Most commonly cancer treatment, god forbid you ever got cancer but I bet you wouldn't question any drug they gave you would you?
Like I said the other night go and educate your self properly on the subject if your going to have a grown up discussion
Everyone listen to our resident google scientist
Nano particles are used in a whole range of drugs. Most commonly cancer treatment, god forbid you ever got cancer but I bet you wouldn't question any drug they gave you would you?
Like I said the other night go and educate your self properly on the subject if your going to have a grown up discussion
In reply to Post #818
Try listeming to dr robert malone on neil olivers show on the 18th december Youtube
Try listeming to dr robert malone on neil olivers show on the 18th december Youtube
In reply to Post #833
Robert Malone, the vaccine scientist spreading mis-information?
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/
Robert Malone, the vaccine scientist spreading mis-information?
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/
In reply to Post #834
I love how all the anti brigade always trust dr malone
Anyways it Christmas Eve. I've got shot loads to do
Have great Christmas everyone
I love how all the anti brigade always trust dr malone
Anyways it Christmas Eve. I've got shot loads to do
Have great Christmas everyone
In reply to Post #835
To be fair Ben the “I don't want the vaccine for what ever reason” brigade could say how the DJ'd trust Whitty, vallance and Tim tam.......
Merry Xmas......
To be fair Ben the “I don't want the vaccine for what ever reason” brigade could say how the DJ'd trust Whitty, vallance and Tim tam.......
Merry Xmas......
In reply to Post #836
Wayne I don't generally trust what they say they also have an “agenda” to get us all jabbed. My point was I could literally pick 100s of thousands doctors that back the jab and it's benefits, the anti lot, I don't like saying that as it makes me sound like other people saying sheeple etc, that would back having a jab. Where as all I ever see quoted against the jab is a few drs and nearly always dr malone. No **** had heard of him 18 months ago now some people hang of his every word
Wayne I don't generally trust what they say they also have an “agenda” to get us all jabbed. My point was I could literally pick 100s of thousands doctors that back the jab and it's benefits, the anti lot, I don't like saying that as it makes me sound like other people saying sheeple etc, that would back having a jab. Where as all I ever see quoted against the jab is a few drs and nearly always dr malone. No **** had heard of him 18 months ago now some people hang of his every word
In reply to Post #837
Here's one for ya. This is legit and not some bloke down the pub bolloxs.
A guy at work, his wife is a Dr in cancer r&d research, she called it out as soon as the vax came out saying there was no way that this vaccine could have been released this soon taking into account how long r&d takes in the field she's in. By the way, she is ragging with anger that she's being forced to get vaccinated as she doesn't trust the jab one bit. She's contemplating giving it all up because of being coerced into taking the shot.
This is straight up. I'm being careful not to give too much away as this is an open forum.
Here's one for ya. This is legit and not some bloke down the pub bolloxs.
A guy at work, his wife is a Dr in cancer r&d research, she called it out as soon as the vax came out saying there was no way that this vaccine could have been released this soon taking into account how long r&d takes in the field she's in. By the way, she is ragging with anger that she's being forced to get vaccinated as she doesn't trust the jab one bit. She's contemplating giving it all up because of being coerced into taking the shot.
This is straight up. I'm being careful not to give too much away as this is an open forum.
In reply to Post #838
Put the beer down and go to bed 😂
Put the beer down and go to bed 😂
In reply to Post #839
I don't think he's old enough to drink beer
I don't think he's old enough to drink beer
In reply to Post #841
That's mad.
You see the article in the Mail today about them considering going door to door to jab up the unvaxed? Maybe we'll be frog marched through the streets and publicly humiliated and have to denounce our wrong think? Can't wait.
That's mad.
You see the article in the Mail today about them considering going door to door to jab up the unvaxed? Maybe we'll be frog marched through the streets and publicly humiliated and have to denounce our wrong think? Can't wait.
In reply to Post #842
I read that. If the vaccine protects against a knuckle duster in the eye socket they're welcome to try.. though it's the mail insinuating one thing when reality is completely different and will just be a waste of my tax money going to agency clowns reading from a script
I read that. If the vaccine protects against a knuckle duster in the eye socket they're welcome to try.. though it's the mail insinuating one thing when reality is completely different and will just be a waste of my tax money going to agency clowns reading from a script
In reply to Post #842
Can't wait for that knock at my door
Can't wait for that knock at my door
In reply to Post #843
I think these sorts of articles are just to test the water, sort of float the idea out there and sense the reaction and then go somewhere in-between?
When will this magical ride ever end, when we've all got digital id's possibly?
I think these sorts of articles are just to test the water, sort of float the idea out there and sense the reaction and then go somewhere in-between?
When will this magical ride ever end, when we've all got digital id's possibly?
In reply to Post #844
Me too
I bet you they'll come firm handed with the TeeVee licencing crew too.
Me too
I bet you they'll come firm handed with the TeeVee licencing crew too.
In reply to Post #842
Maybe they will publicly humiliate themselves by marching through the streets to demonstrate their wrong thinking, again.
Maybe they will publicly humiliate themselves by marching through the streets to demonstrate their wrong thinking, again.
In reply to Post #841
Stop believing sh!t
Stop believing sh!t
In reply to Post #847
What's your thoughts on the assisted dying in NZ 906? I'm not suggesting it's the Gates foundation kickstarting their plan, but it seems pretty bizarre
Andydave- **** off you boring ****
What's your thoughts on the assisted dying in NZ 906? I'm not suggesting it's the Gates foundation kickstarting their plan, but it seems pretty bizarre
Andydave- **** off you boring ****
In reply to Post #849
Keep posting random rubbish as I'm sure you'll get someone on board 👍
Keep posting random rubbish as I'm sure you'll get someone on board 👍
In reply to Post #850
Onboard with what?
I'm not into dogmatic tripe. My mind and eyes are wide open.. not once have I tried convincing anyone to do anything or belittled them for the choices they make about their own body, so as I said.... **** off
Onboard with what?
I'm not into dogmatic tripe. My mind and eyes are wide open.. not once have I tried convincing anyone to do anything or belittled them for the choices they make about their own body, so as I said.... **** off
In reply to Post #851
Keep posting rubbish then 👍
Keep posting rubbish then 👍
In reply to Post #847
I thought the guy who smashed a bottle in the police officers face particularly strengthened the argument...
As for the article in the mail.. it's in the the mail so.... probably designed to trigger an extreme right wing type of response.
I thought the guy who smashed a bottle in the police officers face particularly strengthened the argument...
As for the article in the mail.. it's in the the mail so.... probably designed to trigger an extreme right wing type of response.
Is anyone with a ****ing brain going let some random person knock on their door and shove a needle in their arm.
In reply to Post #854
That won't happen mate. It's stoking the fire as per usual in the mail.
Half of the readers probably believed the 5g theory, the other half probably believe because they've had a vaccine or 4 they can't catch or transmit covid.. their comment sections make me amazed there aren't more cutlery mishaps arriving in A & E.
Then there are the ****s who believe the world is just black and white (in a different us and them context that's ALL mail readers) when in fact there is a huge grey area which is real life where all these facts and figures mean diddly squat.
That won't happen mate. It's stoking the fire as per usual in the mail.
Half of the readers probably believed the 5g theory, the other half probably believe because they've had a vaccine or 4 they can't catch or transmit covid.. their comment sections make me amazed there aren't more cutlery mishaps arriving in A & E.
Then there are the ****s who believe the world is just black and white (in a different us and them context that's ALL mail readers) when in fact there is a huge grey area which is real life where all these facts and figures mean diddly squat.
In reply to Post #854
You realise the first half of your sentence excludes quite a few of the anti vax brigade....?
You realise the first half of your sentence excludes quite a few of the anti vax brigade....?
In reply to Post #855
Won't be happening at my door
Won't be happening at my door
In reply to Post #849
It's nonsense. Just because it could be used to assist a sufferer to end their life doesn't mean it will.
It's nonsense. Just because it could be used to assist a sufferer to end their life doesn't mean it will.
In reply to Post #858
I agree, that's why I said it's bizarre. Surely the criteria for assisted dying is that the individual, their families and a medical professional have decided it's their best option? Not because covid has been added to the list of conditions which you can pay to be killed with, though I'm back at work so I haven't got time to scrutinise the details. link
more divisive ‘journalism'
I agree, that's why I said it's bizarre. Surely the criteria for assisted dying is that the individual, their families and a medical professional have decided it's their best option? Not because covid has been added to the list of conditions which you can pay to be killed with, though I'm back at work so I haven't got time to scrutinise the details. link
more divisive ‘journalism'
In reply to Post #859
Don't read crap on the internet or social media as you can assume it's all guff, if it's extreme or far fetched then you can be sure it's bull..... Just read info from what is generally considered reliable information.
Stop spreading rubbish as sooner or later a few donuts will be daft enough to believe it for real...
Don't read crap on the internet or social media as you can assume it's all guff, if it's extreme or far fetched then you can be sure it's bull..... Just read info from what is generally considered reliable information.
Stop spreading rubbish as sooner or later a few donuts will be daft enough to believe it for real...
In reply to Post #860
Best shut down the daily rags which all have their own agendas.......whilst we're at it may as well shut down SAGE and the doom mongers filling that buffoons head with what MAY, COULD, POSSIBLY happen in a worst case scenario.......
Best shut down the daily rags which all have their own agendas.......whilst we're at it may as well shut down SAGE and the doom mongers filling that buffoons head with what MAY, COULD, POSSIBLY happen in a worst case scenario.......
In reply to Post #861
I know so many people with covid at the moment, at least 10 from posts of Instagram. Every single one has either no symptoms or a cold. If that's what we're looking at then it's time to drop the vaccine charade and let it rip so everyone has natural immunity.
I know so many people with covid at the moment, at least 10 from posts of Instagram. Every single one has either no symptoms or a cold. If that's what we're looking at then it's time to drop the vaccine charade and let it rip so everyone has natural immunity.
In reply to Post #861
Agree about the daily rags but to say SAGE are talking guff is simply bull. The advise is based on facts and they need to offer reasonable outcomes depending upon scenarios (best and worse case)... As these are sometimes new developments they can get it a bit wrong but they usually get it a bit right as well, it depends how you want to view the outcome as half full or empty.
You can't fault an advisory group that is advising on new unknown risks, dangers and outcomes when data is limited and evolving daily if not by the hour. On top of this you need to factor in donuts that won't have a vaccination because some fella on social media or down the pub said it's bad for you.... Just look at how these donuts are filling up hospitals now... Nobody in their right mind can say people haven't been advised to have a jab in order to protect themselves and others and it's even good enough for the new one to prevent most cases of serious (hospitalisation) due to covid.
8 or 9 of every 10 in hospital with Covid badly is unvaccinated.
Agree about the daily rags but to say SAGE are talking guff is simply bull. The advise is based on facts and they need to offer reasonable outcomes depending upon scenarios (best and worse case)... As these are sometimes new developments they can get it a bit wrong but they usually get it a bit right as well, it depends how you want to view the outcome as half full or empty.
You can't fault an advisory group that is advising on new unknown risks, dangers and outcomes when data is limited and evolving daily if not by the hour. On top of this you need to factor in donuts that won't have a vaccination because some fella on social media or down the pub said it's bad for you.... Just look at how these donuts are filling up hospitals now... Nobody in their right mind can say people haven't been advised to have a jab in order to protect themselves and others and it's even good enough for the new one to prevent most cases of serious (hospitalisation) due to covid.
8 or 9 of every 10 in hospital with Covid badly is unvaccinated.
In reply to Post #863
8 or 9 of every 10 in hospital with Covid badly is unvaccinated
Where did you get that From?
8 or 9 of every 10 in hospital with Covid badly is unvaccinated
Where did you get that From?
In reply to Post #860
Those links are from (cough) reputable sources and I'm not spreading anything. It's from the paper with one of, if not the biggest readership in the country.
I'm not on nor do I read any form of social media except here, I discuss what I read in the little spare time I have from a few sources of different political leaning.
A forum is a place to discuss different views and ideas, are you saying I can only post what you deem correct and reference links only you deem credible?
As I've said before I'm not pushing anyone to do anything except open your eyes and your mind, I'm pro vaccine in those at high risk of covid complications but if you believe you'll be ok and not pass on the virus having booster shots quarterly or whatever frequency they suggest, fill your boots
Those links are from (cough) reputable sources and I'm not spreading anything. It's from the paper with one of, if not the biggest readership in the country.
I'm not on nor do I read any form of social media except here, I discuss what I read in the little spare time I have from a few sources of different political leaning.
A forum is a place to discuss different views and ideas, are you saying I can only post what you deem correct and reference links only you deem credible?
As I've said before I'm not pushing anyone to do anything except open your eyes and your mind, I'm pro vaccine in those at high risk of covid complications but if you believe you'll be ok and not pass on the virus having booster shots quarterly or whatever frequency they suggest, fill your boots
In reply to Post #861
Spot on.
Spot on.
In reply to Post #862
How will you explain to people with cancer or other serious ailments that they can't have a life saving operation because the hospital is full with Covid patients?
Take London hospitals as an example already as their overrun already with non vaccinated Covid victims.
Okay, Omicron is (for example) only 50% as bad as Delta (half the number of hospitalisations)..... then you double the case numbers and the hospials are again full, triple the cases and hospitals are having to cancel normal operations and people are dying as a result...
Letting it rip is a bad choice for many, no government can morally do that.
How will you explain to people with cancer or other serious ailments that they can't have a life saving operation because the hospital is full with Covid patients?
Take London hospitals as an example already as their overrun already with non vaccinated Covid victims.
Okay, Omicron is (for example) only 50% as bad as Delta (half the number of hospitalisations)..... then you double the case numbers and the hospials are again full, triple the cases and hospitals are having to cancel normal operations and people are dying as a result...
Letting it rip is a bad choice for many, no government can morally do that.
In reply to Post #863
There are a lot of unvaccinated 50 and 60+ year olds, they are clogging up the service.
It's not kids or young adults, there are figures that prove it. Still disproportionately high in the peer group I agree.. but they are not the ones putting pressure on services, the numbers are minuscule.
There are a lot of unvaccinated 50 and 60+ year olds, they are clogging up the service.
It's not kids or young adults, there are figures that prove it. Still disproportionately high in the peer group I agree.. but they are not the ones putting pressure on services, the numbers are minuscule.
People getting their knickers in a twist over a MSM article, after spending 18 months saying the MSM is all lies and you have to look elsewhere for the truth
In reply to Post #867
Take London hospitals as an example already as their overrun already with non vaccinated Covid victims
That's simply wrong and I provided the data earlier on this thread from the ONS! Approx 8000 in hospital and 5000 are vaccinated!
I also read a report that the majority of unvaccinated is made up of ethnic minorities over the age of 60.......they don't trust the Government.......
Take London hospitals as an example already as their overrun already with non vaccinated Covid victims
That's simply wrong and I provided the data earlier on this thread from the ONS! Approx 8000 in hospital and 5000 are vaccinated!
I also read a report that the majority of unvaccinated is made up of ethnic minorities over the age of 60.......they don't trust the Government.......
In reply to Post #870
The data was outdated? London has a specific issue due to low takeup of the vaccine, you can see this clearly in the data widely circulated.
You do accept were in a pandemic?
Maybe some of those that are unvaccinated believed the crap they saw on social media, forums etc..... And as a result these people have sadly lost a battle with Covid.
The data was outdated? London has a specific issue due to low takeup of the vaccine, you can see this clearly in the data widely circulated.
You do accept were in a pandemic?
Maybe some of those that are unvaccinated believed the crap they saw on social media, forums etc..... And as a result these people have sadly lost a battle with Covid.
In reply to Post #862
Letting it rip will not provide natural immunity.
The mere fact that people are getting it twice would surely show that to be a very flawed approach. I've already mentioned the findings from ZOE that suggest only 80% get immunity from contracting the virus. Post exposure immunity isn't lasting very long, just as has been seen with the vaccines. Until better vaccines come along the safest way is to keep immunity high and sickness low through vaccinations, ventilation, masks, testing and isolation.
Letting it rip will result in a huge death toll, both from the virus and from the collapse (or at least the stretching) of the NHS. Add in the disruption to essential services, deliveries, policing, education and so on from large amounts of the workforce sick/isolating and the cost to the economy will also be massive. That's before you factor in the long-COVID sufferers.
Letting it rip will not provide natural immunity.
The mere fact that people are getting it twice would surely show that to be a very flawed approach. I've already mentioned the findings from ZOE that suggest only 80% get immunity from contracting the virus. Post exposure immunity isn't lasting very long, just as has been seen with the vaccines. Until better vaccines come along the safest way is to keep immunity high and sickness low through vaccinations, ventilation, masks, testing and isolation.
Letting it rip will result in a huge death toll, both from the virus and from the collapse (or at least the stretching) of the NHS. Add in the disruption to essential services, deliveries, policing, education and so on from large amounts of the workforce sick/isolating and the cost to the economy will also be massive. That's before you factor in the long-COVID sufferers.
I see normal service has been resumed
In reply to Post #871
What data widely circulated? Where are you seeing this data?
The data I used was up to EOW 49 or 9th of December. I will check if the data has been updated yet but suspect it won't be until the end of this week.
What data widely circulated? Where are you seeing this data?
The data I used was up to EOW 49 or 9th of December. I will check if the data has been updated yet but suspect it won't be until the end of this week.
In reply to Post #872
Who will be paying for the isolation and loss of revenue to businesses? Because once the business die, their tax contributions die along with them; as well as the staff's tax, who subsequently enter the benefit system.
Paid for by... tax
From the unskilled and lower paid working class, who ironically make up most of the vaccine sceptics I meet and most worked through lockdowns and restrictions and don't own a home
Who will be paying for the isolation and loss of revenue to businesses? Because once the business die, their tax contributions die along with them; as well as the staff's tax, who subsequently enter the benefit system.
Paid for by... tax
From the unskilled and lower paid working class, who ironically make up most of the vaccine sceptics I meet and most worked through lockdowns and restrictions and don't own a home
In reply to Post #875
I'll be paying for it noj
And I guess that you will too. And 906 will too.
Again it's all very divisive. I absolutely resent that my tax will be used to pay for the furlough payments claimed by Trump's golf courses, or Branson's airline or some other millionaires whatever. But, that's the divisive reporting getting under my skin, because the cleaner in the bar at Trump's golf course isn't a millionaire and needed help and I'm the first person to advocate that.. .
Messes with your moral compass eh?
I'll be paying for it noj
And I guess that you will too. And 906 will too.
Again it's all very divisive. I absolutely resent that my tax will be used to pay for the furlough payments claimed by Trump's golf courses, or Branson's airline or some other millionaires whatever. But, that's the divisive reporting getting under my skin, because the cleaner in the bar at Trump's golf course isn't a millionaire and needed help and I'm the first person to advocate that.. .
Messes with your moral compass eh?
In reply to Post #872
I see you're posting your normal from your bunker at 77th brigade HQ.
So the Omniron is the prevailing mutation, given that the effects of the virus are now mild = mild flu, what's with all the vaccine shilling?
I see you're posting your normal from your bunker at 77th brigade HQ.
So the Omniron is the prevailing mutation, given that the effects of the virus are now mild = mild flu, what's with all the vaccine shilling?
Let it rip and lockdown the age groups most at risk.......job done......
In reply to Post #875
We are a very rich country, we can afford to protect ourselves from death and economic devastation. And we don't need to borrow a penny from the markets or screw the 95% with austerity to pay it back.
Without workers the businesses will fail. Proper sick pay would help reduce transmission, people have been banging on about it since the furlough scheme started.
As for my role in the 77th, well, it's a full hands up. I've spent nearly 17 years and 2,500 posts cultivating this deep cover persona of a lefty remainer because that is undoubtedly the best way to convince the likes of you to listen to sense and do the right thing.
We are a very rich country, we can afford to protect ourselves from death and economic devastation. And we don't need to borrow a penny from the markets or screw the 95% with austerity to pay it back.
Without workers the businesses will fail. Proper sick pay would help reduce transmission, people have been banging on about it since the furlough scheme started.
As for my role in the 77th, well, it's a full hands up. I've spent nearly 17 years and 2,500 posts cultivating this deep cover persona of a lefty remainer because that is undoubtedly the best way to convince the likes of you to listen to sense and do the right thing.
In reply to Post #878
Yeah that's the attitude....
Let's whinge about attacks on our freedom but suggest locking down the generation who actually went out and fought for your freedom.
Like that idiot tory whinger who compared vaccine / negative test proof for entry to large events with nazi Germany - or the idiots elsewhere who compare voluntary vaccination to mengele....
The older generation don't have everything right, but I can't imagine they would be sat there saying 'I'm not going to join the war effort until I've seen evidence of the long terms effects of getting shot at by the luftwaffe'...
Stop being so silly
Yeah that's the attitude....
Let's whinge about attacks on our freedom but suggest locking down the generation who actually went out and fought for your freedom.
Like that idiot tory whinger who compared vaccine / negative test proof for entry to large events with nazi Germany - or the idiots elsewhere who compare voluntary vaccination to mengele....
The older generation don't have everything right, but I can't imagine they would be sat there saying 'I'm not going to join the war effort until I've seen evidence of the long terms effects of getting shot at by the luftwaffe'...
Stop being so silly
In reply to Post #880
Be interesting to see how many would have claimed exemption from having to carry a gas mask.
Be interesting to see how many would have claimed exemption from having to carry a gas mask.
In reply to Post #880
Got ya Mal......
Somethings got to change as we can't keep on year after year like this......Is the NHS being privatised to an extent the answer?
Got ya Mal......
Somethings got to change as we can't keep on year after year like this......Is the NHS being privatised to an extent the answer?
In reply to Post #882
Just have a click ‘n' scroll through weownit.org to see what privatisation has done to our services already.
Just have a click ‘n' scroll through weownit.org to see what privatisation has done to our services already.
In reply to Post #883
Will do.......these constant restrictions are not the answer after 2 years though......better pay for the frontline NHS to attract staff?
Will do.......these constant restrictions are not the answer after 2 years though......better pay for the frontline NHS to attract staff?
In reply to Post #879
A select few are very rich. As a nation of individuals we're not
A select few are very rich. As a nation of individuals we're not
In reply to Post #872
Nine0six every thing I've read says natural immunity is way better than the vaccine
Nine0six every thing I've read says natural immunity is way better than the vaccine
In reply to Post #879
Shill harder...
Jesus, you're in some weird parallel universe.
Typical lefty idealistic cobblers, seriously. Would be great not to have to borrow from the likes of the insurance companies via the bond market by printing IOU's, yet that's how it is. I'm sure just like the loons over in the state's think that you can just print money to infinity and beyond...and not add to the national debt, however that works.
Without businessmen and entrepreneur's, everything just grinds to a halt, ala Venezuela et al, similarly, without the worker's in the current business cycle before mass automation is across the board = no workers needed, everything grinds to a halt. Essentially both business and workers are in a symbiotic relationship with one another, like it or not.
We're not a rich nation, just smoke and mirrors. We're not rich in natural resources, huge industrial plants/innovation. The last time I looked we're a service economy, our biggest exports to the world are financials and the arms industry.
Shill harder...
Jesus, you're in some weird parallel universe.
Typical lefty idealistic cobblers, seriously. Would be great not to have to borrow from the likes of the insurance companies via the bond market by printing IOU's, yet that's how it is. I'm sure just like the loons over in the state's think that you can just print money to infinity and beyond...and not add to the national debt, however that works.
Without businessmen and entrepreneur's, everything just grinds to a halt, ala Venezuela et al, similarly, without the worker's in the current business cycle before mass automation is across the board = no workers needed, everything grinds to a halt. Essentially both business and workers are in a symbiotic relationship with one another, like it or not.
We're not a rich nation, just smoke and mirrors. We're not rich in natural resources, huge industrial plants/innovation. The last time I looked we're a service economy, our biggest exports to the world are financials and the arms industry.
In reply to Post #879
We're not a very rich country, we have a very large debt facility which is ever growing whilst the government insists on devaluing the pound with QE.
The elephant in the room in all of this is why is there such a fuss over the NHS...our hospitals ran at 95% capacity before all of this. The government has asset stripped and cut funding for years, now we need it, it's not available.
Vaccinate the vulnerable if they want it, am I **** having needles pushed into me every six months that will affect me a little more than the common cold.
We're not a very rich country, we have a very large debt facility which is ever growing whilst the government insists on devaluing the pound with QE.
The elephant in the room in all of this is why is there such a fuss over the NHS...our hospitals ran at 95% capacity before all of this. The government has asset stripped and cut funding for years, now we need it, it's not available.
Vaccinate the vulnerable if they want it, am I **** having needles pushed into me every six months that will affect me a little more than the common cold.
In reply to Post #886
You might like to try the link in post 734.
Edited, typo on the number.
You might like to try the link in post 734.
Edited, typo on the number.
In reply to Post #880
I don't think that people drawing parallels with Nazi Germany are off the mark, the similarities are striking, that is unless you are deliberately avoiding the blindingly obvious for ulterior motives or to score points or are just full of bias that no matter how much evidence and historical markers you're pointed towards, you'll just fold your arms and deny any similarities.
If frail and vulnerable people want to keep out of harm's way, then so be it, the rest of us should just let this nothingburger rip and be done with it.
I don't think that people drawing parallels with Nazi Germany are off the mark, the similarities are striking, that is unless you are deliberately avoiding the blindingly obvious for ulterior motives or to score points or are just full of bias that no matter how much evidence and historical markers you're pointed towards, you'll just fold your arms and deny any similarities.
If frail and vulnerable people want to keep out of harm's way, then so be it, the rest of us should just let this nothingburger rip and be done with it.
In reply to Post #887
We're still the fifth richest nation on the planet and should be far more able to weather this storm than almost any other.
I'm not sure QE is a major problem provided taxation is used properly to control inflation. What we have is a ‘small state' government who seem to have read too much Ayn Rand who are unwilling to start infrastructure projects beyond adding a conservatory to a children's ward and calling it a whole new hospital. We've sold off loads of our state-owned services to foreign states and still subsidise them.
If you are seriously concerned about our exports and economy then what of Brexit? The OBR report suggests it will be twice as bad for the economy as the pandemic.
We're still the fifth richest nation on the planet and should be far more able to weather this storm than almost any other.
I'm not sure QE is a major problem provided taxation is used properly to control inflation. What we have is a ‘small state' government who seem to have read too much Ayn Rand who are unwilling to start infrastructure projects beyond adding a conservatory to a children's ward and calling it a whole new hospital. We've sold off loads of our state-owned services to foreign states and still subsidise them.
If you are seriously concerned about our exports and economy then what of Brexit? The OBR report suggests it will be twice as bad for the economy as the pandemic.
In reply to Post #889
Not scrolling that far back but please don't think I'm an anti vaxxer. I'm not I'm double jabbed but everything I've read says having covid gives you better long term protection than having the jab
T cells are a lot better than a vaccine
Not scrolling that far back but please don't think I'm an anti vaxxer. I'm not I'm double jabbed but everything I've read says having covid gives you better long term protection than having the jab
T cells are a lot better than a vaccine
In reply to Post #890
Rubbish
Rubbish
In reply to Post #894
So disingenuous.
So disingenuous.
In reply to Post #893
Thanks
I've got people over so can't read all of it now but the first bit mentions running the risk of death by catching covid. That's not the case for most of us. Most of us have had or will have covid without any risk of death.
Everything I've read so far suggests having covid will give you better and longer protection than having the vaccine
I've had both so I'm double hard
Thanks
I've got people over so can't read all of it now but the first bit mentions running the risk of death by catching covid. That's not the case for most of us. Most of us have had or will have covid without any risk of death.
Everything I've read so far suggests having covid will give you better and longer protection than having the vaccine
I've had both so I'm double hard
In reply to Post #885
If you look worldwide the most billionaires are aged between 50 and 70 years old.
These individuals spending ultimately determine the wealth of any nation.
They stop spending the wheels would really come off.
If you look worldwide the most billionaires are aged between 50 and 70 years old.
These individuals spending ultimately determine the wealth of any nation.
They stop spending the wheels would really come off.
In reply to Post #891
So pumping loads of fake money into the system, de_basing that system...doesn't knacker the system? Can't be bothered to get into some long and protracted discussion about quantative easing. In a nutshell, it's a bad thing.
Don't get caught up in the left/right paradigm, both left and right are the same entity...the uni party. On small things there are differences, but on letting big corp, big banks etc, both sides of the very same coin let them get away with daylight robbery. How may executives during the greatest scam of ever ala 2008 during the premiership of labour went to jail, I'll tell you, zero. I could go on, but I'll just leave it at their th same, they just wear different coloured ties.
So pumping loads of fake money into the system, de_basing that system...doesn't knacker the system? Can't be bothered to get into some long and protracted discussion about quantative easing. In a nutshell, it's a bad thing.
Don't get caught up in the left/right paradigm, both left and right are the same entity...the uni party. On small things there are differences, but on letting big corp, big banks etc, both sides of the very same coin let them get away with daylight robbery. How may executives during the greatest scam of ever ala 2008 during the premiership of labour went to jail, I'll tell you, zero. I could go on, but I'll just leave it at their th same, they just wear different coloured ties.
In reply to Post #898
Okay, so what is your solution? To damage the economy and lives by letting the virus sweep through the population with no restrictions?
Okay, so what is your solution? To damage the economy and lives by letting the virus sweep through the population with no restrictions?
In reply to Post #897
The spending power of a hundred or so individuals compared to the spending power of the rest of the nation's population? That might be an interesting rabbit hole to go down later.
The spending power of a hundred or so individuals compared to the spending power of the rest of the nation's population? That might be an interesting rabbit hole to go down later.
In reply to Post #899
For those that are vulnerable or ill, if they want to get the jab, let them go for it, also, if they want to keep out of harm's way and wait for it to disappear, let them do that. For the rest of us, let it rip...as Johnson is doing now, the later partly he's doing that because he's getting heat from those inside the Tory government.
We can not let the government hold out lives to ransome indefinitely, especially so as given by the indicators that this version is mild. If left to its own devices, this flu will just become a normal yearly thing and life will carry on as it always has.
Without putting my tinfoil hat on, I really think there's something quite sinister going on behind the scenes. I do think it is the case that through the back door they're trying to get us all on a system that China has got going...the Social Credit Score System. Such an easy way to have mass control of populations. If you don't play ball, zoink, that's you getting barred from your bank account. I think given the data, this whole thing has been one great big giant charade. It could we'll be the case that some well intentioned individuals have been hoodwinked along the way, all the same, all of this from the get-go has been as sketchy as f..k, stuff just doesn't add up.
I'm not suggesting that all of a sudden those that have been vaccinated are going to drop dead due to the ingredients in the jabs and it was all part of some super secret plan all along like some elsewhere, maybe that will happen, maybe it won't, I don't know, I do hope that the former isn't the case.
As Terrance Mckenna once said
"We are led by the least among us - the least intelligent, the least noble, the least visionary."
For those that are vulnerable or ill, if they want to get the jab, let them go for it, also, if they want to keep out of harm's way and wait for it to disappear, let them do that. For the rest of us, let it rip...as Johnson is doing now, the later partly he's doing that because he's getting heat from those inside the Tory government.
We can not let the government hold out lives to ransome indefinitely, especially so as given by the indicators that this version is mild. If left to its own devices, this flu will just become a normal yearly thing and life will carry on as it always has.
Without putting my tinfoil hat on, I really think there's something quite sinister going on behind the scenes. I do think it is the case that through the back door they're trying to get us all on a system that China has got going...the Social Credit Score System. Such an easy way to have mass control of populations. If you don't play ball, zoink, that's you getting barred from your bank account. I think given the data, this whole thing has been one great big giant charade. It could we'll be the case that some well intentioned individuals have been hoodwinked along the way, all the same, all of this from the get-go has been as sketchy as f..k, stuff just doesn't add up.
I'm not suggesting that all of a sudden those that have been vaccinated are going to drop dead due to the ingredients in the jabs and it was all part of some super secret plan all along like some elsewhere, maybe that will happen, maybe it won't, I don't know, I do hope that the former isn't the case.
As Terrance Mckenna once said
"We are led by the least among us - the least intelligent, the least noble, the least visionary."
In reply to Post #901
But who exactly are the vulnerable and Ill, when I looked pretty much anyone over 50 could be considered as vulnerable?
But who exactly are the vulnerable and Ill, when I looked pretty much anyone over 50 could be considered as vulnerable?
In reply to Post #901
The Neville Chamberlain approach.
The Neville Chamberlain approach.
In reply to Post #903
Following this current path...
Enjoy the gulags comrade, forward.
Following this current path...
Enjoy the gulags comrade, forward.
In reply to Post #904
So in your head you're Stalin and I'm the intelligentsia?
So in your head you're Stalin and I'm the intelligentsia?
In reply to Post #905
No. You missed my point.
We're all at the mercy of totalitarianism if we follow the path that we're currently headed on. No-one was spared the gulags, even the poor/children, you name it were sent to them for a never ending cycle of sentences. Read the Gulag Archipelago and find out the horrors that ensued. Cannibal Island looked comfy too.
No. You missed my point.
We're all at the mercy of totalitarianism if we follow the path that we're currently headed on. No-one was spared the gulags, even the poor/children, you name it were sent to them for a never ending cycle of sentences. Read the Gulag Archipelago and find out the horrors that ensued. Cannibal Island looked comfy too.
In reply to Post #902
There's no issue with calling mid 50 year olds for a prostate examination, make this the same, if you want the vaccine, have it if it makes you feel comfortable. Anyone else who is likely to weather a bout of covid just fine, leave them be.
Let's face it, the vaccine doesn't stop you getting or spreading covid it's helping with the ageing population not die when they catch it, so vaccinate the ageing population and let's get on with it.
There's no issue with calling mid 50 year olds for a prostate examination, make this the same, if you want the vaccine, have it if it makes you feel comfortable. Anyone else who is likely to weather a bout of covid just fine, leave them be.
Let's face it, the vaccine doesn't stop you getting or spreading covid it's helping with the ageing population not die when they catch it, so vaccinate the ageing population and let's get on with it.
In reply to Post #907
It does prevent spread to a degree. If vaccinated you will be fighting the virus quicker and thus have a shorter window where you can transmit it. Every little helps.
It does prevent spread to a degree. If vaccinated you will be fighting the virus quicker and thus have a shorter window where you can transmit it. Every little helps.
In reply to Post #907
All very sensible 👍
All very sensible 👍
In reply to Post #907
The number 1 priority of the government is to protect the people its serves, whether you like it or not this is what they are doing, so you cant just "get on with it" because life isnt that simple. I'm sure youd wouldn't have the same attitude if you lost someone close to you, even more so if you knew the government could of done alot more to protect you and your loved ones
The number 1 priority of the government is to protect the people its serves, whether you like it or not this is what they are doing, so you cant just "get on with it" because life isnt that simple. I'm sure youd wouldn't have the same attitude if you lost someone close to you, even more so if you knew the government could of done alot more to protect you and your loved ones
In reply to Post #906
I did, I just thought it was crap. You do realise that your let it rip scenario is appeasement don't you?
I did, I just thought it was crap. You do realise that your let it rip scenario is appeasement don't you?
In reply to Post #910
Andy, don't preach to me, my grandmother “died from covid” in a carehome. In reality, she had dementia and we were expecting the call any minute anyway, the week before we were told to expect it... she was added to the stats for covid deaths.
Andy, don't preach to me, my grandmother “died from covid” in a carehome. In reality, she had dementia and we were expecting the call any minute anyway, the week before we were told to expect it... she was added to the stats for covid deaths.
In reply to Post #901
Ok say your right. What's their end game.
Why havnt they lockdown today like the rest of U.K.
Why are we allowed out nye and Scotland wales Ireland is shut down
Did soppy Boris not read the email ?
Ok say your right. What's their end game.
Why havnt they lockdown today like the rest of U.K.
Why are we allowed out nye and Scotland wales Ireland is shut down
Did soppy Boris not read the email ?
In reply to Post #912
And what would have thought of the government, if they turned around and said f##k it, let's let it rip and see what happens?
Sorry for your loss btw
And what would have thought of the government, if they turned around and said f##k it, let's let it rip and see what happens?
Sorry for your loss btw
In reply to Post #912
Madonna?
Madonna?
In reply to Post #913
In response to your 3rd question
Because the leaders of Scotland and Wales aren't desperately trying to hold on to dwindling power and aren't prepared to risk lives to gain a bit of public favour...?
Just a guess
In response to your 3rd question
Because the leaders of Scotland and Wales aren't desperately trying to hold on to dwindling power and aren't prepared to risk lives to gain a bit of public favour...?
Just a guess
In reply to Post #905
Can I be Snowball?
Can I be Snowball?
In reply to Post #910
Pure cope.
Pure cope.
In reply to Post #917
Four jabs good.
Four jabs good.
In reply to Post #913
I've already spelled it out. Go re-read my previous posts on this matter.
Well it's obvious to me, the other nations are run by full on authoritarians. Any opportunity to go full authoritarian, they will.
Boris is all over the place. Can barely make a decision the old fella. He's clinging on to power by his fingertips.
I've already spelled it out. Go re-read my previous posts on this matter.
Well it's obvious to me, the other nations are run by full on authoritarians. Any opportunity to go full authoritarian, they will.
Boris is all over the place. Can barely make a decision the old fella. He's clinging on to power by his fingertips.
In reply to Post #916
So this Omnicon is 70% less deadly going by what's been released via the data? Oh, lock me down harder daddy. Ffs.
So this Omnicon is 70% less deadly going by what's been released via the data? Oh, lock me down harder daddy. Ffs.
In reply to Post #911
Well it looks like it's happening. Deal with it or inhale some more Copium lmao.
Well it looks like it's happening. Deal with it or inhale some more Copium lmao.
pill for the unvaccinated perhaps.........
In reply to Post #919
Cringe
Cringe
In reply to Post #916
The devolution coalition Kranky is desperate to keep hold of power. How else is she going to keep her pipedream going?
Anyone know how the general public of Wales and Scotland are taking their lockdown. Are they compliant or kicking up a stink. It doesn't make the news down here.
Seems the worry is not a sharp intake of hospital admissions but NHS staff testing positive and having to isolate.
The devolution coalition Kranky is desperate to keep hold of power. How else is she going to keep her pipedream going?
Anyone know how the general public of Wales and Scotland are taking their lockdown. Are they compliant or kicking up a stink. It doesn't make the news down here.
Seems the worry is not a sharp intake of hospital admissions but NHS staff testing positive and having to isolate.
In reply to Post #923
'May' 'could' 'possibly ' .... sounds like typical msm fodder. Thought you didn't like that stuff
On the flip side, warning people about possible side effects sounds like they've done some testing and they are offering sensible medical advice.
Better than them turning up at your door with two pills and a glass of ribena eh?
'May' 'could' 'possibly ' .... sounds like typical msm fodder. Thought you didn't like that stuff
On the flip side, warning people about possible side effects sounds like they've done some testing and they are offering sensible medical advice.
Better than them turning up at your door with two pills and a glass of ribena eh?
In reply to Post #926
Hampers bone growth, causes birth defects, interferes with normal kidney and liver function and is life threatening when taken with other medications.. sounds like a winner
Surely the latter 2 points rule out large swathes of the at risk category it is touted as being beneficial to?
Hampers bone growth, causes birth defects, interferes with normal kidney and liver function and is life threatening when taken with other medications.. sounds like a winner
Surely the latter 2 points rule out large swathes of the at risk category it is touted as being beneficial to?
In reply to Post #927
Like I said noj.... at least they've done the testing and given fair warning
Doesn't sound like something many people will be clamouring for though does it?
Like I said noj.... at least they've done the testing and given fair warning
Doesn't sound like something many people will be clamouring for though does it?
In reply to Post #927
Rather take my chance with the sniffles
Rather take my chance with the sniffles
In reply to Post #928
As you can imagine I'd probably pass
As you can imagine I'd probably pass
I see the health services are still being shafted by management and supplied with inefficient ppe.
Should the likes of Screwfix/tool station, for example, not prioritise the supplies they can spare? I gave away a load of ffp3 masks to a frontline doctor in the family early on.. Tcarper for health minister!!
ffs
Should the likes of Screwfix/tool station, for example, not prioritise the supplies they can spare? I gave away a load of ffp3 masks to a frontline doctor in the family early on.. Tcarper for health minister!!
ffs
In reply to Post #931
So the thin paper masks are s4it after all, who would have thunk it? Not that I've already said they're s4it or anything, yet still they shill here and elsewhere the crap masks with astounding mental gymnastics even after given well reasoned examples of how basically pointless they are. Mazing.
So the thin paper masks are s4it after all, who would have thunk it? Not that I've already said they're s4it or anything, yet still they shill here and elsewhere the crap masks with astounding mental gymnastics even after given well reasoned examples of how basically pointless they are. Mazing.
No restrictions whatsoever for New Year events ... just another goose-step towards full totalitarian rule, obvs.
If there's one thing we've learned from these endless threads, it's that paper masks do next to nothing for the wearer, but stop you coughing, sneezing and gobbing on others. That and the fact that noj worked through the whole pandemic and didn't get furlough.
If there's one thing we've learned from these endless threads, it's that paper masks do next to nothing for the wearer, but stop you coughing, sneezing and gobbing on others. That and the fact that noj worked through the whole pandemic and didn't get furlough.
In reply to Post #933
Lel
"The government is also shortening the length of time between booster shots from four months after the last vaccination to three months."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59805829
"The government is also shortening the length of time between booster shots from four months after the last vaccination to three months."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59805829
In reply to Post #931
Quote... Tcarper for health minister!!
I'm more clueless than most mate. I was just passing on information from my son about those FFP3 masks after he made sure that our family was all wearing them. All of the information I have passed on from him and my daughter in law has been facts. A lot of it gets lost in the silly arguments on here.
Here's another one for you. I have to be vague with some of the details, as I would not want to get anyone in trouble. My son was called to a 32 year old man at the roadside just before Xmas. A total anti vax, covid does not exist 32 year old previously healthy man. He was becoming distressed, and was having trouble breathing. Worried passers by had called the ambulance. My son told him that he strongly suspected that he had covid, as he could not get four words out without gasping for breath. He went mental, telling my boy that it does not exist and is all a con. That he just had a cold. My son wanted to give him oxygen, he flat out refused.
He called his family, who my son spoke to on the telephone, when the male could not even speak to them properly after becoming even more distressed. His family held the same views about the virus... A small altercation occurred on the phone, where my son was actually threatened with being sued, if he administered oxygen to their family member.
My son took him to hospital, and passed his care over. He later found out that the young man caused a big fuss at the hospital as well. He had then unfortunately died two days later from the effects of the virus.
What a ****ing waste of a life.
This will get lost in the arguments again. But it is the truth. Not internet opinions, no MSM blah blah blah, the truth.
Take from that what you will.
Quote... Tcarper for health minister!!
I'm more clueless than most mate. I was just passing on information from my son about those FFP3 masks after he made sure that our family was all wearing them. All of the information I have passed on from him and my daughter in law has been facts. A lot of it gets lost in the silly arguments on here.
Here's another one for you. I have to be vague with some of the details, as I would not want to get anyone in trouble. My son was called to a 32 year old man at the roadside just before Xmas. A total anti vax, covid does not exist 32 year old previously healthy man. He was becoming distressed, and was having trouble breathing. Worried passers by had called the ambulance. My son told him that he strongly suspected that he had covid, as he could not get four words out without gasping for breath. He went mental, telling my boy that it does not exist and is all a con. That he just had a cold. My son wanted to give him oxygen, he flat out refused.
He called his family, who my son spoke to on the telephone, when the male could not even speak to them properly after becoming even more distressed. His family held the same views about the virus... A small altercation occurred on the phone, where my son was actually threatened with being sued, if he administered oxygen to their family member.
My son took him to hospital, and passed his care over. He later found out that the young man caused a big fuss at the hospital as well. He had then unfortunately died two days later from the effects of the virus.
What a ****ing waste of a life.
This will get lost in the arguments again. But it is the truth. Not internet opinions, no MSM blah blah blah, the truth.
Take from that what you will.
Just read that Jordan Pickford's wife is an anti vaxxer...
Figures
Figures
In reply to Post #938
Plenty out there and it's their choice
Plenty out there and it's their choice
In reply to Post #938
I think the saying “anti vaxxer” is derogatory, hurts many people's feelings and really shouldn't be used.......
I think the saying “anti vaxxer” is derogatory, hurts many people's feelings and really shouldn't be used.......
In reply to Post #940
You daft sod
The most upsetting element of my post is the 'Jordan pickford' link. He's a ****
You daft sod
The most upsetting element of my post is the 'Jordan pickford' link. He's a ****
In reply to Post #941
I bet you cheer him when pulls of a save for England
I bet you cheer him when pulls of a save for England
In reply to Post #942
Nope. I'm very clear on my anti pickford stance
Nope. I'm very clear on my anti pickford stance
In reply to Post #941
I wasn't concerned with your Pickford hate, I'm butt hurt by the constant term “anti vaxxer” being used......
I wasn't concerned with your Pickford hate, I'm butt hurt by the constant term “anti vaxxer” being used......
In reply to Post #944
I'm sure the staff said much worse after you left A&E with your Covid diagnosis.
I'm sure the staff said much worse after you left A&E with your Covid diagnosis.
In reply to Post #945
In reply to Post #945
Im sure they said nothing,considering some of them don't even want the vaccine
Im sure they said nothing,considering some of them don't even want the vaccine
In reply to Post #945
In reply to Post #945
"He said he didn't want the vaccine as he thinks he will have natural immunity."
"Wasn't this his second time with the virus?"
"He said he didn't want the vaccine as he thinks he will have natural immunity."
"Wasn't this his second time with the virus?"
In reply to Post #949
And he's still here
And he's still here
In reply to Post #945
Possibly........because they weren't going to say it to my mush was they.......
Immunity is going well.......I must have had every variant going by now......
Possibly........because they weren't going to say it to my mush was they.......
Immunity is going well.......I must have had every variant going by now......
In reply to Post #951
I'd imagine that keeping away from your mush was the priority to be honest....
But maybe after so many years you don't notice that reaction any more
I'd imagine that keeping away from your mush was the priority to be honest....
But maybe after so many years you don't notice that reaction any more
In reply to Post #952
Again, possibly but the bloke who rammed the swabs down my throat got covered by my gag reflex cough so wasn't too bothered being that close to me ........
It also Might just apply to males Mal as it don't stop the ladies wanting to get close to this defined mush.......
Again, possibly but the bloke who rammed the swabs down my throat got covered by my gag reflex cough so wasn't too bothered being that close to me ........
It also Might just apply to males Mal as it don't stop the ladies wanting to get close to this defined mush.......
In reply to Post #953
Don't tell Mal that,he/she is still trying work out what gender he/she is
Don't tell Mal that,he/she is still trying work out what gender he/she is
In reply to Post #951
Why would they be in danger Wayne, you didn't have your
Keyboard with you did you? 😉
Why would they be in danger Wayne, you didn't have your
Keyboard with you did you? 😉
In reply to Post #955
......of course.....
......of course.....
In reply to Post #954
As you well know braders, I leave that decision to the paying client
By the way, that 3 for 2 offer expires next week
As you well know braders, I leave that decision to the paying client
By the way, that 3 for 2 offer expires next week
In reply to Post #957
In reply to Post #960
And his credentials before monetizing being anti vax?
A.mechanic.
And his credentials before monetizing being anti vax?
A.mechanic.
In reply to Post #961
So he could've solved a clutch squeal but a diagnostician of all things he was not
So he could've solved a clutch squeal but a diagnostician of all things he was not
In reply to Post #963
You might want to check his Instagram account bio
I mean what is a crisis actor? let alone an award winning one hahahahahahahha
I mean what is a crisis actor? let alone an award winning one hahahahahahahha
In reply to Post #965
Crisis actors are used for dummy runs on emergency events........
Crisis actors are used for dummy runs on emergency events........
The Chinese seem to be using public shaming parades of vaccine dodgers and anti vax scammer's. In full hazmat suits whilst you do the walk of shame before neve being seen again. Lessons to be learned by the Western whingers maybe 🤔
In reply to Post #966
You learn something new everyday
Have you looked at his BIO?
You learn something new everyday
Have you looked at his BIO?
In reply to Post #966
My sis does a thing called casualties union where she gets made up with injuries and 'rescued' from mangled cars or mountains and stuff by firemen and mountain rescue blokes with beards. Unsurprisingly, she loves it
My sis does a thing called casualties union where she gets made up with injuries and 'rescued' from mangled cars or mountains and stuff by firemen and mountain rescue blokes with beards. Unsurprisingly, she loves it
As far as I understood, the term 'crisis actor' is used exclusively by conspiracy nutters who think events like the Sandy Hook school shooting were staged, using 'crisis actors', to influence public opinion.
In reply to Post #971
For those that don't have Instagram this is from said “crisis actor” own Instagram account
“This BIO is sarcasm you conspiracy nutters (always has been), but il be your leader if you want me to”
For those that don't have Instagram this is from said “crisis actor” own Instagram account
“This BIO is sarcasm you conspiracy nutters (always has been), but il be your leader if you want me to”
In reply to Post #972
Must have CV then......wonder how many jabs he has had?
I read today that ICU is filled with unvaccinated patients.........unvaccinated was being applied to anyone that hasn't had 3 jabs......
Must have CV then......wonder how many jabs he has had?
I read today that ICU is filled with unvaccinated patients.........unvaccinated was being applied to anyone that hasn't had 3 jabs......
In reply to Post #970
Do they have ones that specialise in Islamic terrorist events?
.....
Isis actors?
...
I'll get my coat
Do they have ones that specialise in Islamic terrorist events?
.....
Isis actors?
...
I'll get my coat
This is interesting viewing... https://rumble.com/embed/voaxg5/?pub=qdzr7
TL;DR: they tried there best option.
Just punting this idea out there: so out of nowhere this Covid thing strikes, mass panic ensues and then the search for a way of dealing with Covid goes full swing. So, different companies come up with an answer and mRna as a delivery system, all looks great. Playing devil's advocate, I'll assume - rightly or wrongly - that the big brains looking at the evidence given the short period of time to get a trial done with this noval approach to this virus, everything looked great, all systems are a go. Even if the evidence didn't look so good, what do? Isn't it a case of using the best thing available, better to try these shots and not have mass die offs, right?
Governments needed to solve this virus problem even if it were for selfish ends... save themselves. All of what I've typed, to me, is some sort of logical explanation as to the reason why the likes of Pfizer was able to get this gear jabbed into people's arms, even if I totally ignore other therapies like ivermectin for instance that have been shown to be effective against this virus for example of any of the counter narratives that I've suggested or have been floated elsewhere.
Some of you might be saying I'm taking a weird stance, the answer to that I'll give is I'm looking from an alternative perspective,a mental exercise if you will.
TL;DR: they tried there best option.
Just punting this idea out there: so out of nowhere this Covid thing strikes, mass panic ensues and then the search for a way of dealing with Covid goes full swing. So, different companies come up with an answer and mRna as a delivery system, all looks great. Playing devil's advocate, I'll assume - rightly or wrongly - that the big brains looking at the evidence given the short period of time to get a trial done with this noval approach to this virus, everything looked great, all systems are a go. Even if the evidence didn't look so good, what do? Isn't it a case of using the best thing available, better to try these shots and not have mass die offs, right?
Governments needed to solve this virus problem even if it were for selfish ends... save themselves. All of what I've typed, to me, is some sort of logical explanation as to the reason why the likes of Pfizer was able to get this gear jabbed into people's arms, even if I totally ignore other therapies like ivermectin for instance that have been shown to be effective against this virus for example of any of the counter narratives that I've suggested or have been floated elsewhere.
Some of you might be saying I'm taking a weird stance, the answer to that I'll give is I'm looking from an alternative perspective,a mental exercise if you will.
In reply to Post #970
You know when the Covid deniers stormed a BBC studio to find they had moved out 8 years earlier. A bloke I know said it 2asnt the protestors it was all crisis actors to make them look stupid.
Lol
There is no sense you can talk to some people. They are too far gone.
You know when the Covid deniers stormed a BBC studio to find they had moved out 8 years earlier. A bloke I know said it 2asnt the protestors it was all crisis actors to make them look stupid.
Lol
There is no sense you can talk to some people. They are too far gone.
In reply to Post #976
Did you see the muppets who turned up at Alan shearer's House to 'serve him papers'?
Filmed themselves and everything
At the wrong house....
Did you see the muppets who turned up at Alan shearer's House to 'serve him papers'?
Filmed themselves and everything
At the wrong house....
In reply to Post #973
Are you sure about that Wayne ?
My brother in law tested positive yesterday he was struggling with his breathing my sister contacted 111 last night for advice they asked about his vaccination status she told them he'd had the first two jabs but hadn't bothered with the booster, they said well he is vaccinated but as he's not had the booster may find it a bit tougher and asked some further questions regarding his medical background then decided it wasn't necessary for them to come out.
Today he's a bit better spent all day sleeping, he's a roofer by trade so fairly fit.
Are you sure about that Wayne ?
My brother in law tested positive yesterday he was struggling with his breathing my sister contacted 111 last night for advice they asked about his vaccination status she told them he'd had the first two jabs but hadn't bothered with the booster, they said well he is vaccinated but as he's not had the booster may find it a bit tougher and asked some further questions regarding his medical background then decided it wasn't necessary for them to come out.
Today he's a bit better spent all day sleeping, he's a roofer by trade so fairly fit.
In reply to Post #978
Hope he feels better soon.
I'm not sure about the whole 'unvaccinated' classification especially as they been classing even people with just 1st jabs as vaccinated in all of the figures....
Hope he feels better soon.
I'm not sure about the whole 'unvaccinated' classification especially as they been classing even people with just 1st jabs as vaccinated in all of the figures....
In reply to Post #978
This is a perfect example of a healthy younger fit person getting seriously ill with covid. Hope he pulls through and has no long term health problems.
Anyone in their right mind would not want this for themselves or anyone they know and the best way to avoid this is to be double vaccinated and get the booster when you can.
This is a perfect example of a healthy younger fit person getting seriously ill with covid. Hope he pulls through and has no long term health problems.
Anyone in their right mind would not want this for themselves or anyone they know and the best way to avoid this is to be double vaccinated and get the booster when you can.
In reply to Post #980
Don't eat too much government advice at once, you're regurgitating it at random now
Don't eat too much government advice at once, you're regurgitating it at random now
I'd just like to assure everyone that over the last 10 days...
'I've been.... er .... I've been.... in this country '
ffs...
'I've been.... er .... I've been.... in this country '
ffs...
In reply to Post #982
The fat dopey **** has probably been suckling Carrie's bitty at a carbon and gender neutral plant based crèche somewhere.
The fat dopey **** has probably been suckling Carrie's bitty at a carbon and gender neutral plant based crèche somewhere.
In reply to Post #983
He really is a berk isn't he?
He really is a berk isn't he?
In reply to Post #984
Top tier tosser
I gave him the benefit of the doubt pre-covid. His only job was to win a majority and deliver some form of brexit. In fairness can anybody name a British politician they'd trust to lead in this pandemic?
Top tier tosser
I gave him the benefit of the doubt pre-covid. His only job was to win a majority and deliver some form of brexit. In fairness can anybody name a British politician they'd trust to lead in this pandemic?
In reply to Post #985
Alan B'stard... at least nobody would be surprised when he's a ****
Or Oliver Cromwell
Or a spitting image puppet
All of the above better options than the current cabinet
Alan B'stard... at least nobody would be surprised when he's a ****
Or Oliver Cromwell
Or a spitting image puppet
All of the above better options than the current cabinet
In reply to Post #978
Take it from me, just because you're a roofer and can bump tiles up a ladder all day doesn't make you fit. Carpenters are aware of dust and most will have masks for the MDF dust, I can tell you now, roofers breath the worst **** in out of any trade when stripping roofs and cutting tiles all day.
Hope he's feeling better nonetheless.
Take it from me, just because you're a roofer and can bump tiles up a ladder all day doesn't make you fit. Carpenters are aware of dust and most will have masks for the MDF dust, I can tell you now, roofers breath the worst **** in out of any trade when stripping roofs and cutting tiles all day.
Hope he's feeling better nonetheless.
In reply to Post #987
He's been in the roofing game since leaving school, early 50s now takes all the necessary precautions
Not spoken to my sister yet for an update she was still testing negative as is their youngest daughter.. Their eldest daughter has Covid also only 28 and not really suffering at all.
He's been in the roofing game since leaving school, early 50s now takes all the necessary precautions
Not spoken to my sister yet for an update she was still testing negative as is their youngest daughter.. Their eldest daughter has Covid also only 28 and not really suffering at all.
In reply to Post #973
Apparently 90% of all admissions to ICU have not had their booster, so it appears the focus has moved on from unvaccinated to not being boosted, this is probably due to the dwindling numbers of anti vacc people as the level of 1st jabs is now up to 89.9% as of yesterday.
It'll be interesting to see if the huge increase of positive cases leads to big numbers of hospitalisations.... Next two weeks or so will show us if we need to have restrictions reintroduced....
Apparently 90% of all admissions to ICU have not had their booster, so it appears the focus has moved on from unvaccinated to not being boosted, this is probably due to the dwindling numbers of anti vacc people as the level of 1st jabs is now up to 89.9% as of yesterday.
It'll be interesting to see if the huge increase of positive cases leads to big numbers of hospitalisations.... Next two weeks or so will show us if we need to have restrictions reintroduced....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-59826625
Milton Keynes.... Wayne?
Milton Keynes.... Wayne?
In reply to Post #990
He won't be wearing a mask so you'll spot him
I drove through there today, didn't stop
He won't be wearing a mask so you'll spot him
I drove through there today, didn't stop
In reply to Post #991
As a seasoned mouthpiece of all things minority
he'd surely have been there. To be fair it's tough to glue your face to the road with one on I suppose mate.
As a seasoned mouthpiece of all things minority
he'd surely have been there. To be fair it's tough to glue your face to the road with one on I suppose mate.
In reply to Post #990
Anyone who follows Piers Corbyn needs to seriously reevaluate their life choices 😂
Anyone who follows Piers Corbyn needs to seriously reevaluate their life choices 😂
In reply to Post #991
The hilarious dilemma of the anti vaxx protestor
If I wear a mask cctv can't identify me so easily
But I can't wear a mask!!!!
Must be hurting their brain somewhat
The hilarious dilemma of the anti vaxx protestor
If I wear a mask cctv can't identify me so easily
But I can't wear a mask!!!!
Must be hurting their brain somewhat
In reply to Post #994
I would absolutely guarantee all those anti vax protestors was up in arms when extinction rebellion was protesting
I would absolutely guarantee all those anti vax protestors was up in arms when extinction rebellion was protesting
In reply to Post #993
Some of those folk standing around Piers with their hands in the air chanting as if he's the messiah.
That woman taking equipment from the test centre why is someone filming her taking it.....I hope she is severely dealt with.
Some of those folk standing around Piers with their hands in the air chanting as if he's the messiah.
That woman taking equipment from the test centre why is someone filming her taking it.....I hope she is severely dealt with.
In reply to Post #995
Big overlap thats for sure. Its often lifelong contrarians, high ego
Low educational status. Plenty of studies on it in the US
Big overlap thats for sure. Its often lifelong contrarians, high ego
Low educational status. Plenty of studies on it in the US
In reply to Post #997
Trying to pull masks off kids, anyone touched my children I'd break their jaw.
Trying to pull masks off kids, anyone touched my children I'd break their jaw.
In reply to Post #990
Saw it........ridiculous.......
Lots of first jabs over the last week.......they obviously watch the BBC......
Got to go........left hand rod just beeped.......
Saw it........ridiculous.......
Lots of first jabs over the last week.......they obviously watch the BBC......
Got to go........left hand rod just beeped.......
In reply to Post #999
And there's me thinking your rods were just labelled right, far right and extreme right....
And there's me thinking your rods were just labelled right, far right and extreme right....
In reply to Post #1000
He's got a special rod,it's the one that catches all the mug fish on here
He's got a special rod,it's the one that catches all the mug fish on here
In reply to Post #1001
Tony........It's caught plenty over the last few years........
Mal, I fish single sticks so there all centre to be honest........
coincidence......
Tony........It's caught plenty over the last few years........
Mal, I fish single sticks so there all centre to be honest........
coincidence......
In reply to Post #1001
Bradders for some one that comes across as intelligent across this forum. You seem to come across as an absolute knob in this thread. You don't add anything constructive to this thread, just snidey little one liners
Do you just follow the crap on social media and put your two pence worth In here, bit like Waynes link to the crisis actor yesterday, but in Wayne's defence it was a one of,he posted some crap, normally his well educated on the matter and has a counter argument. You on the other hand don't give anything constructive
Bradders for some one that comes across as intelligent across this forum. You seem to come across as an absolute knob in this thread. You don't add anything constructive to this thread, just snidey little one liners
Do you just follow the crap on social media and put your two pence worth In here, bit like Waynes link to the crisis actor yesterday, but in Wayne's defence it was a one of,he posted some crap, normally his well educated on the matter and has a counter argument. You on the other hand don't give anything constructive
In reply to Post #1003
Cheers Ben.......
Cheers Ben.......
In reply to Post #1002
Wayne your link in its first line admits they don't know true infection numbers. So how is it comparable?
Wayne your link in its first line admits they don't know true infection numbers. So how is it comparable?
In reply to Post #1004
That was a compliment honestly
We have different views but at least you can counter argue
Bradders is a decent poster, just not in this thread.
That was a compliment honestly
We have different views but at least you can counter argue
Bradders is a decent poster, just not in this thread.
In reply to Post #1004
Don't worry Wayne .. I won't tell him about last year
Don't worry Wayne .. I won't tell him about last year
In reply to Post #1003
I think you're being unfair on braders there
Obviously his contribution is to make the rest of us look funnier / more intelligent which I would say he excels at.
As for Wayne not posting crap ....
I think you're being unfair on braders there
Obviously his contribution is to make the rest of us look funnier / more intelligent which I would say he excels at.
As for Wayne not posting crap ....
In reply to Post #1008
Wayne's crap to you and me mal is at least researched. We may not agree with him and he, like us might be looking on biased websites to establish our views
Bradders just tries being that thick unfunny uneducated knob down the pub that no one laughs at *, even those punters that are in there from 11 am every day don't laugh at him
* on this thread only
Wayne's crap to you and me mal is at least researched. We may not agree with him and he, like us might be looking on biased websites to establish our views
Bradders just tries being that thick unfunny uneducated knob down the pub that no one laughs at *, even those punters that are in there from 11 am every day don't laugh at him
* on this thread only
In reply to Post #1009
Ahhh I'm glad you care so much,thanks for that
Ahhh I'm glad you care so much,thanks for that
In reply to Post #1010
Sorry where have I said or showed I cared?
Standard **** reply from you in this thread
Like I originally said. You normally come across as a decent educated poster. But for some reason Inthis thread you come across as a thick, self groomed SM knob
Sorry where have I said or showed I cared?
Standard **** reply from you in this thread
Like I originally said. You normally come across as a decent educated poster. But for some reason Inthis thread you come across as a thick, self groomed SM knob
In reply to Post #1011
Yeah and it will stay that way,this thread is full of experts who know absolutely **** all about this virus or how it will end.If people don't want the vaccine it's their choice,if people have the vaccine that's also their choice.Who is wrong,who is right do any of you experts on here actually know NO do you ********
Yeah and it will stay that way,this thread is full of experts who know absolutely **** all about this virus or how it will end.If people don't want the vaccine it's their choice,if people have the vaccine that's also their choice.Who is wrong,who is right do any of you experts on here actually know NO do you ********
In reply to Post #1012
Does that work both ways as in I'm wrong and so is Wayne?
You seem to be throwing your toys out. Me and Wayne, and others have been talking, discussing and disagreeing for the best part of a year on this and other threads.
I've never knocked anyone for not having the jab, I've even said I'm not having the booster, enough is enough so I dont know where you going with that one
My point is we all have opinions, we probably wont change our minds but we can add something. In this thread, and without sounding like a broken record cause your normally a decent poster you add **** all apart from somthing that sounds like it come from some that gets all their facts from Facebook and bitchute
Does that work both ways as in I'm wrong and so is Wayne?
You seem to be throwing your toys out. Me and Wayne, and others have been talking, discussing and disagreeing for the best part of a year on this and other threads.
I've never knocked anyone for not having the jab, I've even said I'm not having the booster, enough is enough so I dont know where you going with that one
My point is we all have opinions, we probably wont change our minds but we can add something. In this thread, and without sounding like a broken record cause your normally a decent poster you add **** all apart from somthing that sounds like it come from some that gets all their facts from Facebook and bitchute
In reply to Post #1013
I don't use Facebook,I come on this thread to get all my expert advice.I have heard Boris is thinking about joining up
I don't use Facebook,I come on this thread to get all my expert advice.I have heard Boris is thinking about joining up
In reply to Post #1014
Genius. Think this convo proves everything I've said
No reply to anything I asked
Edit. I think me Wayne Mal and Moo could do a better job than borris
Genius. Think this convo proves everything I've said
No reply to anything I asked
Edit. I think me Wayne Mal and Moo could do a better job than borris
In reply to Post #1015
I have no doubt you four could do better than Boris
I have no doubt you four could do better than Boris
In reply to Post #1016
There's 4 of us but never let the truth get in the way of a good story
There's 4 of us but never let the truth get in the way of a good story
In reply to Post #1017
I have edited it just for you
I have edited it just for you
So we're pushing testing, but have no tests
And building more nightingales when we can't staff the hospitals as it is
Wonder if I did have the jab wether I'd end up with a bcg or insulin by accident
And building more nightingales when we can't staff the hospitals as it is
Wonder if I did have the jab wether I'd end up with a bcg or insulin by accident
In reply to Post #1019
To be fair the best part of the NHS has been the vaccine rollout. Amazing what it can achieve when you take out the layers and layers of management and everyone singing from The same hymn sheet
If only they could run the whole of the NHS like that, could probably payback everything spent on furlough in a couple of years if it was run properly
Re testing, I'm waiting for the daily cases to drop massively in the next week or so due to no one being able to do a test
To be fair the best part of the NHS has been the vaccine rollout. Amazing what it can achieve when you take out the layers and layers of management and everyone singing from The same hymn sheet
If only they could run the whole of the NHS like that, could probably payback everything spent on furlough in a couple of years if it was run properly
Re testing, I'm waiting for the daily cases to drop massively in the next week or so due to no one being able to do a test
In reply to Post #1020
Yep we've done a very good job on the vaccine rollout it's kept the deaths low.
We do more tests than many other countries, twice as many as comparably sized countries like France or Italy.
They'll just draft in the army for the nightingale hospitals and dispatch the unvaccinated
Yep we've done a very good job on the vaccine rollout it's kept the deaths low.
We do more tests than many other countries, twice as many as comparably sized countries like France or Italy.
They'll just draft in the army for the nightingale hospitals and dispatch the unvaccinated
In reply to Post #1020
Yeah it's amazing what you can do when you allow cancer diagnoses, dementia and poor mental health to slip through the net. Pats on backs all round
Surprised they haven't got photos of soldiers building the nightingales again, when in reality I know of builders who made a killing working on them wink wink nudge nudge
The nhs is a **** show, good hard working people let down by management and rude bone idle tooth kissing night staff.
Shall we do a slow ironic clap on a Thursday to celebrate hospital covid transmission?
Get them proper masks and visors ffs
Yeah it's amazing what you can do when you allow cancer diagnoses, dementia and poor mental health to slip through the net. Pats on backs all round
Surprised they haven't got photos of soldiers building the nightingales again, when in reality I know of builders who made a killing working on them wink wink nudge nudge
The nhs is a **** show, good hard working people let down by management and rude bone idle tooth kissing night staff.
Shall we do a slow ironic clap on a Thursday to celebrate hospital covid transmission?
Get them proper masks and visors ffs
In reply to Post #1021
That last line. .
At least it's what they trained for eh?
That last line. .
At least it's what they trained for eh?
In reply to Post #1008
Come on Mal.........I have tried to behave this year.......
is the end nigh according to some experts........
Come on Mal.........I have tried to behave this year.......
is the end nigh according to some experts........
In reply to Post #1022
Sorry the uk before the pandemic had some of the worst rates for cancer diagnosis and survival. .in Europe.
Ultimately the NHS needs to be privatised if we want decent healthcare then we need to pay for it. Look at Israel fantastic system but it's not free.
You only have to look when the pandemic started we had one of the lowest rates for critical care beds.
Perhaps if we all payed for it we'd look after ourselves a bit better as well 😀👍🏼
Sorry the uk before the pandemic had some of the worst rates for cancer diagnosis and survival. .in Europe.
Ultimately the NHS needs to be privatised if we want decent healthcare then we need to pay for it. Look at Israel fantastic system but it's not free.
You only have to look when the pandemic started we had one of the lowest rates for critical care beds.
Perhaps if we all payed for it we'd look after ourselves a bit better as well 😀👍🏼
In reply to Post #1025
Unfortunately, too many people live in the breadline/month to month for it to be viable, the second we go down that route, the vultures capitalise and we end up like America.
I have private healthcare which is unbelievable compared to the NHS, well worth the money for anyone who can afford it.
Unfortunately, too many people live in the breadline/month to month for it to be viable, the second we go down that route, the vultures capitalise and we end up like America.
I have private healthcare which is unbelievable compared to the NHS, well worth the money for anyone who can afford it.
In reply to Post #1025
Sorry for what? I know our health service is a shambles at the best of times, if Europe's worst is getting worse it's surely worth a mention?
Sorry for what? I know our health service is a shambles at the best of times, if Europe's worst is getting worse it's surely worth a mention?
In reply to Post #1027
All health systems have undoubtedly suffered and some more than others.
If ‘we' you want a better one it has to be reformed as you said and I think we all agree it's broken.
If you look at other countries (Europe and Israel) some take a percentage or your salary, others it's an insurance you pay but it's there for all to access
Of course the challenge of privatisation is where the money goes...
All health systems have undoubtedly suffered and some more than others.
If ‘we' you want a better one it has to be reformed as you said and I think we all agree it's broken.
If you look at other countries (Europe and Israel) some take a percentage or your salary, others it's an insurance you pay but it's there for all to access
Of course the challenge of privatisation is where the money goes...
In reply to Post #1028
I thought when we pay National Insurance and tax that goes towards funding the NHS.We can't get to a point where healthcare is for only those that can afford it,that just wouldn't be right
I thought when we pay National Insurance and tax that goes towards funding the NHS.We can't get to a point where healthcare is for only those that can afford it,that just wouldn't be right
In reply to Post #1029
No Tony, that's for cheese, wine and general piss ups.......
No Tony, that's for cheese, wine and general piss ups.......
From what I'm lead to believe the french charge to see a doctor.......this is something we need to do. My old girl works at the quacks and she said it's the same people over and over who come in. The docs say that there is nothing wrong with them but they have no choice but to see them. Add to that that some people think it's acceptable to get things like paracetamol on prescription........ and let's not even mention the people who go to A&E for nothing more than a scratch or sometimes even a cold!
The problem with our country is no one has the balls to stand up and actually call out people who take the p#ss. We have so many do-gooders who will shout some form of discrimination if we went down that route, however the do-gooders always seem to forget about the people who are being effected by our services being hampered by said p#ss takers.
Unfortunately our politics are just one big game to get votes, because of this real change will never happen.
I pay for my family (missis and two little girls) to have private health care which is currently £110 a month but due to my job and current back issues it would be £250+ a month to put me on it so I don't have it. Once I get my mortgage fully paid (this coming year I hope) I will be put on it as well. I will sleep better once I know I have it.
The problem with our country is no one has the balls to stand up and actually call out people who take the p#ss. We have so many do-gooders who will shout some form of discrimination if we went down that route, however the do-gooders always seem to forget about the people who are being effected by our services being hampered by said p#ss takers.
Unfortunately our politics are just one big game to get votes, because of this real change will never happen.
I pay for my family (missis and two little girls) to have private health care which is currently £110 a month but due to my job and current back issues it would be £250+ a month to put me on it so I don't have it. Once I get my mortgage fully paid (this coming year I hope) I will be put on it as well. I will sleep better once I know I have it.
In reply to Post #1025
The NHS doesn't need to be privatised, it needs to be funded properly. Long term, year on year average funding increases are at around 4%, whereas the last 10 years under Tory rule it has been closer to 1.5%. That "missing" 2.5% would make a significant difference.
The NHS doesn't need to be privatised, it needs to be funded properly. Long term, year on year average funding increases are at around 4%, whereas the last 10 years under Tory rule it has been closer to 1.5%. That "missing" 2.5% would make a significant difference.
In reply to Post #1030
In reply to Post #1032
Nope. It is funded properly. Our government's are not strong enough with big pharmaceutical companies that take the mick when charging for drugs and people who are just as bad. Add to that that the whole thing is mismanaged from top to bottom. Too many people taking the pi#s.
This is well known throughout the NHS. You see, the more you throw at it the more people/companies that will take......
Nope. It is funded properly. Our government's are not strong enough with big pharmaceutical companies that take the mick when charging for drugs and people who are just as bad. Add to that that the whole thing is mismanaged from top to bottom. Too many people taking the pi#s.
This is well known throughout the NHS. You see, the more you throw at it the more people/companies that will take......
In reply to Post #1034
My friend does suspended ceilings and had a big contract with the NHS and he got to know the guy who had to do the stock checks on all cleaning products, he said he was throwing away (pre pandemic) over 100k of cleaning stuff every month due to over ordering, when asked why they keep ordering the same amount he just said that there is obviously someone doing the ordering that is in with the people who are supplying......
Now this was just one hospital and he was only in charge of the cleaning side of things.......
My friend does suspended ceilings and had a big contract with the NHS and he got to know the guy who had to do the stock checks on all cleaning products, he said he was throwing away (pre pandemic) over 100k of cleaning stuff every month due to over ordering, when asked why they keep ordering the same amount he just said that there is obviously someone doing the ordering that is in with the people who are supplying......
Now this was just one hospital and he was only in charge of the cleaning side of things.......
In reply to Post #1034
If its funded properly, why are we short of doctors and nurses??
If its funded properly, why are we short of doctors and nurses??
In reply to Post #1034
The numbers speak for themselves; when you continually provide less money (taking into account inflation) the services will become more difficult to maintain. There have been numerous cuts to frontline services, and as such a significant portion of the issues within the NHS can be attributed to not being properly funded.
This is not to dismiss that there are other issues, such as within management, etc.
None of this is surprising really; there is barely a public service that has not been squeezed since 2010 - Police, Fire Service etc.; also consider that the air ambulance and RNLI are funded charitably FFS! In this day and age, I ask you.
Most of this boils down to an idealogical decision to implement a period of austerity, when it was never needed. The bottom line is, the Tories don't want everyone and everything to be equal - they want the little people to know their place, and to know that it is beneath those who went to Eton and have never had to do a proper days work in their entire life.
The numbers speak for themselves; when you continually provide less money (taking into account inflation) the services will become more difficult to maintain. There have been numerous cuts to frontline services, and as such a significant portion of the issues within the NHS can be attributed to not being properly funded.
This is not to dismiss that there are other issues, such as within management, etc.
None of this is surprising really; there is barely a public service that has not been squeezed since 2010 - Police, Fire Service etc.; also consider that the air ambulance and RNLI are funded charitably FFS! In this day and age, I ask you.
Most of this boils down to an idealogical decision to implement a period of austerity, when it was never needed. The bottom line is, the Tories don't want everyone and everything to be equal - they want the little people to know their place, and to know that it is beneath those who went to Eton and have never had to do a proper days work in their entire life.
In reply to Post #1034
Believe it or not the NHS is one of the worlds largest organisations and the American Pharmaceutical industry are up in arms with it's buying power. The NHS gets drugs and medical supplies at a better rate than most other health organisations.
60 years ago the NHS was for making ill people better, now it encompasses all kinds of preventative medicine and other complex work, the funding per capita should be orders of magnitude higher now than it was even 10 years ago, not 4% year on year increases.
The entitled ****s who run the country don't want anything wasted on people they don't deem worthy. The richer a country is, the bigger the wealth inequality - it is by design.
Believe it or not the NHS is one of the worlds largest organisations and the American Pharmaceutical industry are up in arms with it's buying power. The NHS gets drugs and medical supplies at a better rate than most other health organisations.
60 years ago the NHS was for making ill people better, now it encompasses all kinds of preventative medicine and other complex work, the funding per capita should be orders of magnitude higher now than it was even 10 years ago, not 4% year on year increases.
The entitled ****s who run the country don't want anything wasted on people they don't deem worthy. The richer a country is, the bigger the wealth inequality - it is by design.
In reply to Post #1036
Mismanagement 👍
Mismanagement 👍
In reply to Post #1036
Because we increasingly have a society that doesn't give a toss about other people?
Add to that the pay and conditions and it's not rocket science. Drunken yobs in A&E. A succession of governments who have shown absolute contempt for the health sector workers. NHS nurses still having to pay for parking at work because that aspect has been privatised. Its shameful
Because we increasingly have a society that doesn't give a toss about other people?
Add to that the pay and conditions and it's not rocket science. Drunken yobs in A&E. A succession of governments who have shown absolute contempt for the health sector workers. NHS nurses still having to pay for parking at work because that aspect has been privatised. Its shameful
In reply to Post #1040
Couldn't agree more. Sad really.
Couldn't agree more. Sad really.
In reply to Post #1039
It's the largest employer in Europe mate. The people managing it are voted in by you and me.
Andrew Lansley
Jeremy Hunt
Matt Hancock
Sajid Javid
They're the ones appointed to manage the public service in the last decade. With a brief from David Cameron, Theresa May and the last few years the charlatan Johnson.So totally agree, mismanagement
It's the largest employer in Europe mate. The people managing it are voted in by you and me.
Andrew Lansley
Jeremy Hunt
Matt Hancock
Sajid Javid
They're the ones appointed to manage the public service in the last decade. With a brief from David Cameron, Theresa May and the last few years the charlatan Johnson.So totally agree, mismanagement
In reply to Post #1026
You see the same consultants and doctor's you would within the NHS. The split contracts these NHS trained health care professionals have is a self fulfilling prophecy with regards privatisation. Paid by you and me to train and work for decades, then half their time is given to the vastly more lucrative private health care system. Whilst you, me and most can't get an appointment to see the same person cause they're fulfilling their private health care work
You see the same consultants and doctor's you would within the NHS. The split contracts these NHS trained health care professionals have is a self fulfilling prophecy with regards privatisation. Paid by you and me to train and work for decades, then half their time is given to the vastly more lucrative private health care system. Whilst you, me and most can't get an appointment to see the same person cause they're fulfilling their private health care work
In reply to Post #1040
Because we increasingly have a society that doesn't give a toss about other people?
Yep, look at remain / leave, conservative / Labour or vaccinated / unvaccinated as prime examples or the hate that spews from each camp not giving a toss about someone else right to choice.......
Mal, I find and always have since I was a kid that the people who have literally nothing, eat turkey twizzels, smoke lambert and butler baccy and live hand to mouth daily are the most generous who will give / share when they have practically have nothing themselves........
Because we increasingly have a society that doesn't give a toss about other people?
Yep, look at remain / leave, conservative / Labour or vaccinated / unvaccinated as prime examples or the hate that spews from each camp not giving a toss about someone else right to choice.......
Mal, I find and always have since I was a kid that the people who have literally nothing, eat turkey twizzels, smoke lambert and butler baccy and live hand to mouth daily are the most generous who will give / share when they have practically have nothing themselves........
In reply to Post #1044
I've always found that too. Maybe it's because that's more representative of the people I met growing up.
It would be nice if we had just one person in government who really understood that wouldn't it?
When a 24 year old footballer does more for the cause of food poverty than elected and paid mp's then you know there's something wrong eh?
I've always found that too. Maybe it's because that's more representative of the people I met growing up.
It would be nice if we had just one person in government who really understood that wouldn't it?
When a 24 year old footballer does more for the cause of food poverty than elected and paid mp's then you know there's something wrong eh?
In reply to Post #1044
Dp
Dp
In reply to Post #1045
*does
*does
In reply to Post #1047
Autocorrect or fat fingers....
Fixed now
Autocorrect or fat fingers....
Fixed now
In reply to Post #1043
My step dad had private care through his work. Had over 90k worth of treatment all covered. He then retired and lost all healthcare benefits. ... but has his dr private number. When his cancer returned he was seen on the NHS by the same doctor but jumped every queue and was seen by his private dr on the nhs
So wrong in my opinion, but in this instance so right cause it was my step dad
Another instance, my 3 month old baby had a lump, we paid private to get seen straight away. The dr took cash for the appointment then said your better of going to your main hospital,she said dont worry I'm the nhs manager for that sept. she made a phone call we went straight to the hospital, told the ward nurse we'd been sent by dr so and so. Again jumped all queues and was in and out within two hours
So wrong again but both times benefited me
My step dad had private care through his work. Had over 90k worth of treatment all covered. He then retired and lost all healthcare benefits. ... but has his dr private number. When his cancer returned he was seen on the NHS by the same doctor but jumped every queue and was seen by his private dr on the nhs
So wrong in my opinion, but in this instance so right cause it was my step dad
Another instance, my 3 month old baby had a lump, we paid private to get seen straight away. The dr took cash for the appointment then said your better of going to your main hospital,she said dont worry I'm the nhs manager for that sept. she made a phone call we went straight to the hospital, told the ward nurse we'd been sent by dr so and so. Again jumped all queues and was in and out within two hours
So wrong again but both times benefited me
Obviously the Eutopians among us have very short memories
The great PFI scamola
The NHS is being rinsed, add to that swathes of profitable sections of the NHS run by private companies for example Virgin Health Care (Branson) where it has been running palative care for kiddies for years in Devon and Cornwall and had been creeping like a cancer into other areas of the country. What about practically non existent accountancy were money just disappears due in part as no-one is held directly accountable for the huge losses they make day in, day out. Take for example just one anecdotal tale from a mate of mine who was working in a hospital as a contractor: my pal retold a tale of a "relaxation area" where middle management would take some time off to sooth their daily stress levels and wipe their weary brows - the poor things. He told me that this "relaxation area" had a patio that got laid, ripped up over the course of time he was there 4 times simply because when the big cheese of the dept came to inspect the patio, he just turned around, swiveling on his heels and said he didn't like it and go with another type of slab, bearing in mind, it was this clown (big cheese) that decided on the slabs in the first place.
The wastage mindset I believe comes from people who have never worked in the private sector, instead they believe that there's this money tree that when shaken, like magic, money comes raining down. I was chatting to a bloke who came from the private sector (big house builder quantity surveyor) who decided to go and work for a local council as one of his mates on the council had been on his case for years to work on the council. He said he just couldn't get his head around the sheer uselessness and wastage he was seeing like no-one checking contracts and questioning the contractors about the prices they were charging like he would in the private sector as he'd have someone checking where the money was going and what it was spent on etc etc above him.
I'll wrap up his up here
In a nutshell, it's no wonder lefties with the 'we can live like this forever' mindset and the general piss takers and those that have never worked in the private sector gravitate towards these publicly funded jobs as no-one really cares, no-one is really accountable and the s4itshow continues to infinitum and beyond. I genuinely believe that the NHS is an amazing concept and should always be run as a public service, just a shame it's run by c**ts.
The great PFI scamola
The NHS is being rinsed, add to that swathes of profitable sections of the NHS run by private companies for example Virgin Health Care (Branson) where it has been running palative care for kiddies for years in Devon and Cornwall and had been creeping like a cancer into other areas of the country. What about practically non existent accountancy were money just disappears due in part as no-one is held directly accountable for the huge losses they make day in, day out. Take for example just one anecdotal tale from a mate of mine who was working in a hospital as a contractor: my pal retold a tale of a "relaxation area" where middle management would take some time off to sooth their daily stress levels and wipe their weary brows - the poor things. He told me that this "relaxation area" had a patio that got laid, ripped up over the course of time he was there 4 times simply because when the big cheese of the dept came to inspect the patio, he just turned around, swiveling on his heels and said he didn't like it and go with another type of slab, bearing in mind, it was this clown (big cheese) that decided on the slabs in the first place.
The wastage mindset I believe comes from people who have never worked in the private sector, instead they believe that there's this money tree that when shaken, like magic, money comes raining down. I was chatting to a bloke who came from the private sector (big house builder quantity surveyor) who decided to go and work for a local council as one of his mates on the council had been on his case for years to work on the council. He said he just couldn't get his head around the sheer uselessness and wastage he was seeing like no-one checking contracts and questioning the contractors about the prices they were charging like he would in the private sector as he'd have someone checking where the money was going and what it was spent on etc etc above him.
I'll wrap up his up here
In a nutshell, it's no wonder lefties with the 'we can live like this forever' mindset and the general piss takers and those that have never worked in the private sector gravitate towards these publicly funded jobs as no-one really cares, no-one is really accountable and the s4itshow continues to infinitum and beyond. I genuinely believe that the NHS is an amazing concept and should always be run as a public service, just a shame it's run by c**ts.
In reply to Post #1050
I was with you all the way up to 'a mate of mine'
I was with you all the way up to 'a mate of mine'
They've knighted Whitty and Van Tam.
One bloke who couldn't lift a knight's armour and another who couldn't fit in it, knighted... for doing their job of sitting at a desk or talking on tv. Sorry that's ****ing ridiculous, or are they saying it's over and these knobs did a good job? Didn't think so
One bloke who couldn't lift a knight's armour and another who couldn't fit in it, knighted... for doing their job of sitting at a desk or talking on tv. Sorry that's ****ing ridiculous, or are they saying it's over and these knobs did a good job? Didn't think so
In reply to Post #1051
It became a running joke between us. He used to phone me up on his fag breaks to tell what one they've gone for this time. Think they went with marble in the end and water fountains. Seen similar tax payer funded nonsense myself.
It became a running joke between us. He used to phone me up on his fag breaks to tell what one they've gone for this time. Think they went with marble in the end and water fountains. Seen similar tax payer funded nonsense myself.
In reply to Post #1052
I have no issue with Whitty, i've always got the impression he didn't want to be up there at the press conferences.
I have no issue with Whitty, i've always got the impression he didn't want to be up there at the press conferences.
In reply to Post #1052
Just a way to underscore the validity of the reaction to Covid to the proletariat.
That computer modeling guy Neil Ferguson has to up for a Nobel peace prize, surely?
Just a way to underscore the validity of the reaction to Covid to the proletariat.
That computer modeling guy Neil Ferguson has to up for a Nobel peace prize, surely?
In reply to Post #1052
Never understood the whole knighthood rubbish to be honest, I mean you have people who save life's day in day out who get paid sod all (and get very little in the way of thanks) and then you have a fella who drives a race car for the top team with the fastest car who gets paid millions of pounds (and pay zero tax to the uk) who then gets knighted 🤷♂️
Pretty much sums things up I think.
Never understood the whole knighthood rubbish to be honest, I mean you have people who save life's day in day out who get paid sod all (and get very little in the way of thanks) and then you have a fella who drives a race car for the top team with the fastest car who gets paid millions of pounds (and pay zero tax to the uk) who then gets knighted 🤷♂️
Pretty much sums things up I think.
In reply to Post #1056
The people you're talking about are used as avatars/figureheads at any point along the way to forward whatever agenda needs pushing.
The people you're talking about are used as avatars/figureheads at any point along the way to forward whatever agenda needs pushing.
In reply to Post #1054
Nor I well done on their knighthoods. well deserved not so sure on Blair though....
Nor I well done on their knighthoods. well deserved not so sure on Blair though....
In reply to Post #1058
Deserved
The **** couldn't fend off an adolescent anti vaxxer
He's from weak sperm and doesn't deserve any recognition for doing his (very well paid) job.
Any posthumous knighthoods for frontline doctors that died with covid? Didn't think so
Deserved
The **** couldn't fend off an adolescent anti vaxxer
He's from weak sperm and doesn't deserve any recognition for doing his (very well paid) job.
Any posthumous knighthoods for frontline doctors that died with covid? Didn't think so
In reply to Post #1059
Well he clearly didn't need to use his muscles for his knighthood 😅
Well he clearly didn't need to use his muscles for his knighthood 😅
In reply to Post #1060
Just enough to stay vertical at the lectern for half hour
Sorry I'm being unnecessarily cruel to him and fat tam, I know they studied for a long time to gain those well paid nothing jobs. You have to admit, you wouldn't ask Whitty for a push if your car broke down and he really didn't earn that knighthood
Just enough to stay vertical at the lectern for half hour
Sorry I'm being unnecessarily cruel to him and fat tam, I know they studied for a long time to gain those well paid nothing jobs. You have to admit, you wouldn't ask Whitty for a push if your car broke down and he really didn't earn that knighthood
In reply to Post #1061
Putting aside knighthoods
Fat tam as you call him, isn't he a qualified doctor. Wouldn't be a nothing job if he so happened to be treating you or your family
Putting aside knighthoods
Fat tam as you call him, isn't he a qualified doctor. Wouldn't be a nothing job if he so happened to be treating you or your family
In reply to Post #1061
Indeed like a lot of the super intelligent types any manual tasks / jobs are alien to them. They probably need help getting dressed in the morning 😀
Though looking on wiki he's done a lot of work on tropical diseases even got a load of money for malaria research from the Gates Foundation.
Que our resident David Icke's for comment 😀
Indeed like a lot of the super intelligent types any manual tasks / jobs are alien to them. They probably need help getting dressed in the morning 😀
Though looking on wiki he's done a lot of work on tropical diseases even got a load of money for malaria research from the Gates Foundation.
Que our resident David Icke's for comment 😀
In reply to Post #1062
This is true and I commend him for his services.
The nothing role he is playing could mean he is busy in a tv studio when me or my family needed that care though. I know doctors and a few are real douche bags, those mentioned seem genuine and nobody can criticise what they have done during and prior to covid... but bloody knighthoods!?
I met cleaners when my son was born during lockdown, not the type who dust the canteen... all hours basically unprotected cleaning surgical waste and bodily fluids of varying horrors before getting a bus back to their bedsit. Ffs that's the better life they came for, arise sir Whitty!! Next slide please
Edit- the GATES foundation. Ho-ly ****. Switch that 5g off on your handsets folks
This is true and I commend him for his services.
The nothing role he is playing could mean he is busy in a tv studio when me or my family needed that care though. I know doctors and a few are real douche bags, those mentioned seem genuine and nobody can criticise what they have done during and prior to covid... but bloody knighthoods!?
I met cleaners when my son was born during lockdown, not the type who dust the canteen... all hours basically unprotected cleaning surgical waste and bodily fluids of varying horrors before getting a bus back to their bedsit. Ffs that's the better life they came for, arise sir Whitty!! Next slide please
Edit- the GATES foundation. Ho-ly ****. Switch that 5g off on your handsets folks
In reply to Post #1052
Good, he has to stand next to that clown week in week out, and try and try and rescue some form of credibility for the government, whilst taking pelters from those with only one brain cell
Good, he has to stand next to that clown week in week out, and try and try and rescue some form of credibility for the government, whilst taking pelters from those with only one brain cell
In reply to Post #1065
Next to which clown, Jenny Harries?
Don't worry she's on the list too
Next to which clown, Jenny Harries?
Don't worry she's on the list too
Noj...
You do know that knighthoods don't actually involve wearing armour and slaying dragons these days right
I see Blair is on the list too... says it all really
You do know that knighthoods don't actually involve wearing armour and slaying dragons these days right
I see Blair is on the list too... says it all really
In reply to Post #1066
Good, all the government scientific advisors should be on the list
Good, all the government scientific advisors should be on the list
In reply to Post #1067
I'm not stupid mate.
Dragons don't exist!
You can guarantee who men my mate Nigel gets his knighthood he'll be up and down the beaches of kent slaying inflatable vessels in his bloody armour..
Blair should be turned to jerky and fed to the hungry in the Middle East
I'm not stupid mate.
Dragons don't exist!
You can guarantee who men my mate Nigel gets his knighthood he'll be up and down the beaches of kent slaying inflatable vessels in his bloody armour..
Blair should be turned to jerky and fed to the hungry in the Middle East
In reply to Post #1069
I am pretty sure Whitty was working long shifts at a vaccination centre? He strikes me as a better human being than many of those around him.
I am pretty sure Whitty was working long shifts at a vaccination centre? He strikes me as a better human being than many of those around him.
... and Whitty worked right through the pandemic and didn't get furlough.
Hang on ... that rings a bell ...
Hang on ... that rings a bell ...
In reply to Post #1071
Knighthood for me and noj too then?
I'd look amazing in the armour
Knighthood for me and noj too then?
I'd look amazing in the armour
In reply to Post #1073
Can't see anything on her twitter account and nothing from mainstream media - sounds like the usual b/s we've grown accustomed to seeing during this pandemic.....
Can't see anything on her twitter account and nothing from mainstream media - sounds like the usual b/s we've grown accustomed to seeing during this pandemic.....
If people can't see the problem with awarding titles to those less hard working than the people carrying their organisation there's no hope.
While we are or dislike.... is it time we start marching fat people down the road with the anti vax shame parades. Throw in a few inbred Asians with big monobrows and genetic defects, young black people... you lot can get straight back in line because you've not had a jab between the lot of you.
The lefty pro vaccine love thy neighbour type never touches on the fact communities shun the vaccine, it's those bloody 5000000+ pot smoking conspiracy theorist virgins
Did I mention I've not had a day off, Jon?
I'm in today without as much as a coffee let alone a title
While we are or dislike.... is it time we start marching fat people down the road with the anti vax shame parades. Throw in a few inbred Asians with big monobrows and genetic defects, young black people... you lot can get straight back in line because you've not had a jab between the lot of you.
The lefty pro vaccine love thy neighbour type never touches on the fact communities shun the vaccine, it's those bloody 5000000+ pot smoking conspiracy theorist virgins
Did I mention I've not had a day off, Jon?
I'm in today without as much as a coffee let alone a title
In reply to Post #1070
Certainly a better human than some of the people on here
Certainly a better human than some of the people on here
In reply to Post #1072
Knighthood for me and noj too then?
There's joke in there somewhere, and it involves the phrase 'helmet polishing'.
Knighthood for me and noj too then?
There's joke in there somewhere, and it involves the phrase 'helmet polishing'.
In reply to Post #1077
In reply to Post #1076
Keep dropping those little digs in you cowardly **** and I'll be tracking down your local supermarket and snot blasting the trolley handles.
Keep dropping those little digs in you cowardly **** and I'll be tracking down your local supermarket and snot blasting the trolley handles.
In reply to Post #1073
As if a vet would just kill a healthy dog hahhahahah
As if a vet would just kill a healthy dog hahhahahah
In reply to Post #1080
😂
😂
In reply to Post #1082
In reply to Post #1080
In reply to Post #1081
Lucky she's not Wayne's mum eh?
Lucky she's not Wayne's mum eh?
In reply to Post #1085
And who calls a dog Ruth
And who calls a dog Ruth
In reply to Post #1075
How about this guy noj....?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/billionaire-donor-tories-handed-knighthood-25826501
How about this guy noj....?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/billionaire-donor-tories-handed-knighthood-25826501
In reply to Post #1087
I don't know he gave £100 million to Cambridge University.
I don't know he gave £100 million to Cambridge University.
So it's looking very likely we won't have a lockdown. How does this play out in the tin foil brigades plan of the great reset or whatever is the plan
I'd like to know what their thoughts are on this.
I'd like to know what their thoughts are on this.
DP
In reply to Post #1088
Nice to see the underprivileged being supported though eh?
How about the knighthood for the guy who was caught out in the expenses scandal?
I can see the big round table now with king Boris and the knights of scamalot...
Nice to see the underprivileged being supported though eh?
How about the knighthood for the guy who was caught out in the expenses scandal?
I can see the big round table now with king Boris and the knights of scamalot...
In reply to Post #1090
Zero justification for most european countries to be implementing the restrictions that they are imposing. Vaccine passports do not stop transmission, neither do vaccines themselves.
So why keep hitting the same nail with the same hammer when it's not having the desired effect?
I am not a tin foil hat merchant. I don't believe there is a great reset of any description, yet you have to wonder why there is persistence in economic decline when it is preventing absolutely nothing. Mandates, Segregation, Fines, imprisonment... for what?
Zero justification for most european countries to be implementing the restrictions that they are imposing. Vaccine passports do not stop transmission, neither do vaccines themselves.
So why keep hitting the same nail with the same hammer when it's not having the desired effect?
I am not a tin foil hat merchant. I don't believe there is a great reset of any description, yet you have to wonder why there is persistence in economic decline when it is preventing absolutely nothing. Mandates, Segregation, Fines, imprisonment... for what?
In reply to Post #1091
I've friends who went to Fitzwilliam and Magdalene colleges they all come from working class backgrounds a lot of students benefit from that investment.
Politicians do they really ever get any better ?
I've friends who went to Fitzwilliam and Magdalene colleges they all come from working class backgrounds a lot of students benefit from that investment.
Politicians do they really ever get any better ?
In reply to Post #1091
Jimmy saville dying meant somebody else had to step in and organise the entertainment for the annual joustathon. Luckily Ian McClellan likes lance a lot, so he stepped in
Jimmy saville dying meant somebody else had to step in and organise the entertainment for the annual joustathon. Luckily Ian McClellan likes lance a lot, so he stepped in
In reply to Post #1092
Panic maybe?
I agree with what you've said. But the big question is why havnt we lockdown when jimmy krankie and that two bob welsh minister have lockdown. I've asked the couple of “it's all a hoax” friends I have and they can't give me an answer
Panic maybe?
I agree with what you've said. But the big question is why havnt we lockdown when jimmy krankie and that two bob welsh minister have lockdown. I've asked the couple of “it's all a hoax” friends I have and they can't give me an answer
In reply to Post #1089
The Great Reset is hardly tin foil. Instead of just dismissing something out of hand, why not take a leaf out of your own book ala "research it".
The Great Reset is hardly tin foil. Instead of just dismissing something out of hand, why not take a leaf out of your own book ala "research it".
In reply to Post #1089
When are we supposed to be resetting to?
I remember 1976 as a good year for me so if we get a choice...
Also I can bulk buy a load of star wars toys and make a packet selling them in 40 years...
When are we supposed to be resetting to?
I remember 1976 as a good year for me so if we get a choice...
Also I can bulk buy a load of star wars toys and make a packet selling them in 40 years...
In reply to Post #1097
I have.
So explain, why these govts that want total control over us minions havnt locked down when our nearest neighours and most European countries have
Has soppy Boris not read the email properly? Or is your conspiracy theory fallen apart right in front of your eyes.
Give me one reason why we havnt lockdown if that is all part of the master plan
I have.
So explain, why these govts that want total control over us minions havnt locked down when our nearest neighours and most European countries have
Has soppy Boris not read the email properly? Or is your conspiracy theory fallen apart right in front of your eyes.
Give me one reason why we havnt lockdown if that is all part of the master plan
In reply to Post #1099
The whole great reset thing gets swayed by whoever is saying it to fit an agenda, there's absolutely no logical reason to spin any sort of lockdown as a government agenda of a capitalist economy.
There's parts of the great reset that so make sense ie moving away from fiat currencies etc but then your far more qualified than anyone on here to look at the financial system and it's pros and cons so I won't comment and make myself look stupid
The whole great reset thing gets swayed by whoever is saying it to fit an agenda, there's absolutely no logical reason to spin any sort of lockdown as a government agenda of a capitalist economy.
There's parts of the great reset that so make sense ie moving away from fiat currencies etc but then your far more qualified than anyone on here to look at the financial system and it's pros and cons so I won't comment and make myself look stupid
In reply to Post #1099
The jab is the plan??
The jab is the plan??
In reply to Post #1101
Isn't lockdown and the controls that come with it part of the plan?
That's all I've heard for 18 months
Now we are not locking down so how's does that fit in with the plans
Isn't lockdown and the controls that come with it part of the plan?
That's all I've heard for 18 months
Now we are not locking down so how's does that fit in with the plans
In reply to Post #1101
I'm not having boosters but I'm double jabbed.
What reason do the government have as a motive to push the jabs?
I'm not having boosters but I'm double jabbed.
What reason do the government have as a motive to push the jabs?
No idea.......you probably need to go back through Moos posts to find that answer......
In reply to Post #1104
Don't stir that ****ing crank up Wayne!
I keep doing full circle on the jabs, people say it's all about money but the government are paying for these jabs so the only people making money out of it are the biotech companies supplying them, yes they'll be paying corporate tax on the profits but surely it's costing more to buy millions of shots than the tax income. I've also seen people saying about the governments owning shares in the companies but that doesn't stack up either. I can't see how it's benefitting the government to push an underhanded agenda.
Don't stir that ****ing crank up Wayne!
I keep doing full circle on the jabs, people say it's all about money but the government are paying for these jabs so the only people making money out of it are the biotech companies supplying them, yes they'll be paying corporate tax on the profits but surely it's costing more to buy millions of shots than the tax income. I've also seen people saying about the governments owning shares in the companies but that doesn't stack up either. I can't see how it's benefitting the government to push an underhanded agenda.
In reply to Post #1099
What's The Great Reset then seeing as you've been researching the topic?
I think you're confusing me with someone else. Other than suggesting that this is more about digital id's (from what I can make out) governments are using Covid as the vehicle to introduce them, I've not said anything about some big master plan, and if I have alluded in some way, it's more in jest than anything.
As I've already said in respect of Boris, he's barely able to make a decision, he changes his mind depending on which way the wind is blowing. I also think, as I've said previously, he's been getting heat from his own party in respect of id's etc and no doubt he fears being chucked out of Downing St so didn't go for the nuclear option of lockdown. I could we'll be wrong on all fronts and he's looked at the evidence, realised it's nothing to worry too much about and carry on as normal.
In all of this, don't you think the reaction to Covid, the strange tale of where this all started, the removing of eminent scientists from social media sites, the smear campaigns against said eminent scientists, the weird language like Build Back Better spoken like mantra's by all Western leaders in speeches, the suppression of drugs like Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, the super fast tracking of an experimental drug forced onto populations around the globe weird in someway?
What's The Great Reset then seeing as you've been researching the topic?
I think you're confusing me with someone else. Other than suggesting that this is more about digital id's (from what I can make out) governments are using Covid as the vehicle to introduce them, I've not said anything about some big master plan, and if I have alluded in some way, it's more in jest than anything.
As I've already said in respect of Boris, he's barely able to make a decision, he changes his mind depending on which way the wind is blowing. I also think, as I've said previously, he's been getting heat from his own party in respect of id's etc and no doubt he fears being chucked out of Downing St so didn't go for the nuclear option of lockdown. I could we'll be wrong on all fronts and he's looked at the evidence, realised it's nothing to worry too much about and carry on as normal.
In all of this, don't you think the reaction to Covid, the strange tale of where this all started, the removing of eminent scientists from social media sites, the smear campaigns against said eminent scientists, the weird language like Build Back Better spoken like mantra's by all Western leaders in speeches, the suppression of drugs like Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, the super fast tracking of an experimental drug forced onto populations around the globe weird in someway?
In reply to Post #1106
So just to be clear you can't answer why we havnt lockdown when they have the perfect excuse to do it
So just to be clear you can't answer why we havnt lockdown when they have the perfect excuse to do it
In reply to Post #1107
Now you're just boring.
Now you're just boring.
In reply to Post #1107
Maybe they just know so many people will take no notice it'll be embarrassing when it's covered in the news
Maybe they just know so many people will take no notice it'll be embarrassing when it's covered in the news
Someone said to me recently..its all to do with with Health passports,via the jab...
No passport ,no life...
Having been shown the Rockefella lockstep ,which was in evidence long before any mention of lockdowns or vaccinations,before any of the above mentioned..I find it odd and a little frightening that it would be possible to predict in writing a mandate for those scenarios..a scenario, that hadn't even happened, yet there it is is writing for all to see in its entirety
How could anyone rustle that step by step system before Covid even became a thing..or vaccinations even mentioned..thats what bothers me..
That's what I want to know....?
Also the power of the media,now a famous person I knew of died recently ,he's been ill ,heart trouble for many years..he died of heart failure
Yet,in the papers it's saying he died of Covid he did not die of Covid....again,the media in its never ending part ,the brainwashing and scaremongering of gullible,vulnerable members of society,all lining up to get their booster...
Can't anyone think for themselves anymore,even if they are wrong
In the second world war,the residents or those that remained near to concentration camps ,lost their sense of smell strangely ,despite the stench of death emitting from the camps..the allies made em walk past the camps,make em see,made em look..
They,the brainwashed,....they had figuratively lost their sense of smell
Many people in this country...'have lost their sense of thinking for themselves even,'...
As an edit,I'm asking I don't know the answers,but sure a hell,this Lievid,is the weirdest thing I have ever heard of or seen in mine short time on this planet,weird as he'll,nothing adds up..
All I know is my mate,Shane,his head is gone ,thanks BMA,UK government, he will not ,refuses to leave his home,two years come March in doors,won't go out ,what a waste of life..
No passport ,no life...
Having been shown the Rockefella lockstep ,which was in evidence long before any mention of lockdowns or vaccinations,before any of the above mentioned..I find it odd and a little frightening that it would be possible to predict in writing a mandate for those scenarios..a scenario, that hadn't even happened, yet there it is is writing for all to see in its entirety
How could anyone rustle that step by step system before Covid even became a thing..or vaccinations even mentioned..thats what bothers me..
That's what I want to know....?
Also the power of the media,now a famous person I knew of died recently ,he's been ill ,heart trouble for many years..he died of heart failure
Yet,in the papers it's saying he died of Covid he did not die of Covid....again,the media in its never ending part ,the brainwashing and scaremongering of gullible,vulnerable members of society,all lining up to get their booster...
Can't anyone think for themselves anymore,even if they are wrong
In the second world war,the residents or those that remained near to concentration camps ,lost their sense of smell strangely ,despite the stench of death emitting from the camps..the allies made em walk past the camps,make em see,made em look..
They,the brainwashed,....they had figuratively lost their sense of smell
Many people in this country...'have lost their sense of thinking for themselves even,'...
As an edit,I'm asking I don't know the answers,but sure a hell,this Lievid,is the weirdest thing I have ever heard of or seen in mine short time on this planet,weird as he'll,nothing adds up..
All I know is my mate,Shane,his head is gone ,thanks BMA,UK government, he will not ,refuses to leave his home,two years come March in doors,won't go out ,what a waste of life..
In reply to Post #1106
We all have a digital identity already, we have passports, driving licences, electoral registers, bank accounts, Facebook, business names, car insurances, IP trail etc. They know everything about us, data is one of the most profitable industries in the world.
We all have a digital identity already, we have passports, driving licences, electoral registers, bank accounts, Facebook, business names, car insurances, IP trail etc. They know everything about us, data is one of the most profitable industries in the world.
In reply to Post #1111
Of course we do
And the world has plenty of very wealthy people who really don't care what you're up to ....
I'm still pitching for '76 for the reset date. Great summer if I remember. And imagine getting to hear both wuthering heights and the sex pistols for the 1st time again...
Of course we do
And the world has plenty of very wealthy people who really don't care what you're up to ....
I'm still pitching for '76 for the reset date. Great summer if I remember. And imagine getting to hear both wuthering heights and the sex pistols for the 1st time again...
In reply to Post #1110
The Rockefeller Foundation is a private foundation based in America, founded by the wealthy Rockefeller family more than a century ago. Claims about Operation Lockstep have been previously debunked by American fact checking organisation Snopes, which reported that in 2010 the Rockefeller Foundation funded a scenario planning exercise called ‘Scenario for the Future of Technology and International Development'.
This looked at various different imagined scenarios and the role technology could theoretically play in them, including a global pandemic. The global pandemic scenario was named ‘Lock Step' in this exercise.
However, the ‘Lock Step' outlined in the Rockefeller Foundation's work bears little resemblance to the ‘Operation Lockstep' text being circulated on social media, and made no mention of Covid-19 at all. It also does not talk about 5G, inflation of case numbers, flawed testing, weaponised viruses or a war caused by vaccines.
Instead, it imagines a pandemic caused by an influenza strain which originated in wild geese, emerging in 2012 and killing 8 million people in seven months, the majority of deaths being in “healthy young adults”. (In contrast, the Covid-19 pandemic is estimated to have killed 3.38 million people in the 17 months since it was first detected in December 2019, with the elderly and those with pre-existing health conditions most at risk).
The imagined scenario bears a passing resemblance to the current situation, such as governments imposing restrictions to limit the spread of the virus.
However, the scenario also describes Africa and Southeast Asia being particularly affected by the imagined virus, whereas Covid-19 has more severely affected Europe, South America and the United States.
Another version of this claim being widely shared on WhatsApp says that the false ‘Operation Lockstep' text comes from a book published in 1989 called ‘The New World Order' by A. Ralph Epperson. This is a real book, albeit one full of conspiracy theories, which claims to uncover secrets of the Great Seal of the United States. But it does not mention anything about Covid-19, Operation Lockstep or plans for a future pandemic anywhere within its text
The Rockefeller Foundation is a private foundation based in America, founded by the wealthy Rockefeller family more than a century ago. Claims about Operation Lockstep have been previously debunked by American fact checking organisation Snopes, which reported that in 2010 the Rockefeller Foundation funded a scenario planning exercise called ‘Scenario for the Future of Technology and International Development'.
This looked at various different imagined scenarios and the role technology could theoretically play in them, including a global pandemic. The global pandemic scenario was named ‘Lock Step' in this exercise.
However, the ‘Lock Step' outlined in the Rockefeller Foundation's work bears little resemblance to the ‘Operation Lockstep' text being circulated on social media, and made no mention of Covid-19 at all. It also does not talk about 5G, inflation of case numbers, flawed testing, weaponised viruses or a war caused by vaccines.
Instead, it imagines a pandemic caused by an influenza strain which originated in wild geese, emerging in 2012 and killing 8 million people in seven months, the majority of deaths being in “healthy young adults”. (In contrast, the Covid-19 pandemic is estimated to have killed 3.38 million people in the 17 months since it was first detected in December 2019, with the elderly and those with pre-existing health conditions most at risk).
The imagined scenario bears a passing resemblance to the current situation, such as governments imposing restrictions to limit the spread of the virus.
However, the scenario also describes Africa and Southeast Asia being particularly affected by the imagined virus, whereas Covid-19 has more severely affected Europe, South America and the United States.
Another version of this claim being widely shared on WhatsApp says that the false ‘Operation Lockstep' text comes from a book published in 1989 called ‘The New World Order' by A. Ralph Epperson. This is a real book, albeit one full of conspiracy theories, which claims to uncover secrets of the Great Seal of the United States. But it does not mention anything about Covid-19, Operation Lockstep or plans for a future pandemic anywhere within its text
In reply to Post #1113
Very informative
There's also a film called contagion that has dozens of similarities to the covid pandemic - but that doesn't mean matt Damon is in on it all either
Very informative
There's also a film called contagion that has dozens of similarities to the covid pandemic - but that doesn't mean matt Damon is in on it all either
In reply to Post #1114
Don't forget the Cygnus exercise. Basically the government streamlining getting infected elderly patients into homes before the proverbial hits the fan to ease the financial burden of care
Don't forget the Cygnus exercise. Basically the government streamlining getting infected elderly patients into homes before the proverbial hits the fan to ease the financial burden of care
In reply to Post #1113
Imagine believing Snopes.
My man, try harder. Snopes have got to be one of the most dishonest outfits out there. Fugging Snopes. A Snopes just flew over my house... Hahahahaha.
Imagine believing Snopes.
My man, try harder. Snopes have got to be one of the most dishonest outfits out there. Fugging Snopes. A Snopes just flew over my house... Hahahahaha.
In reply to Post #1111
Think of it this way: instead of multiple forms of ID that can take ages to cross reference, instead a one ID to bind them all, so wherever you go, whatever you're interacting with, the internet, buying a train ticket for example, the one ID, just the same as what China has got with its Social Credit Score System, if you don't play ball, you're not a passive or compliant little worker bee, instead you cause problems, you'll get docked credits and won't be able to use the train for instance. Taken one step further, you could be really non compliant and a pest for the Controller's and not be able to buy food due to your low *credit score*. I'll add the caveat that the Covid passes might be phased out and all of what I'm saying looks like it's dead in the water, but over time, they'll try and roll out a one ID system.
All of this stuff is a very, very slippery slope, and once introduced is nigh on impossible for the power hungry sociopathic/psychopathic to let go of that power. That scum Blair has openly talked about the one ID and it being a good thing, look at Sweden with nutters putting chips in themselves so they can scan in to prove that they've been giggajabbed, the funks wrong with people?
I've been warning about these things for what has to be around 15yrs give or take. I've been laughed at, mocked, sniped, called silly names, you name it, then all of a sudden, as if by magic, what I've been warning about has become a reality. Take for instance phones listening into your conversations or them passively listening in while you're not using them...all came true. The really sad part in all of this is that even when these things do get rolled out to the herd and it comes out that they've been listening in the whole time, they'll employ all manner of fantastical mental gymnastics to rationalize it all away...
I'm certainly not a conspiracy nut in the slightest and steer clear of the outlandish nonsense/noise that is out there, all the same, there are sinister forces at play and more than likely lead to some very dark places wether you want to believe it or not.
Think of it this way: instead of multiple forms of ID that can take ages to cross reference, instead a one ID to bind them all, so wherever you go, whatever you're interacting with, the internet, buying a train ticket for example, the one ID, just the same as what China has got with its Social Credit Score System, if you don't play ball, you're not a passive or compliant little worker bee, instead you cause problems, you'll get docked credits and won't be able to use the train for instance. Taken one step further, you could be really non compliant and a pest for the Controller's and not be able to buy food due to your low *credit score*. I'll add the caveat that the Covid passes might be phased out and all of what I'm saying looks like it's dead in the water, but over time, they'll try and roll out a one ID system.
All of this stuff is a very, very slippery slope, and once introduced is nigh on impossible for the power hungry sociopathic/psychopathic to let go of that power. That scum Blair has openly talked about the one ID and it being a good thing, look at Sweden with nutters putting chips in themselves so they can scan in to prove that they've been giggajabbed, the funks wrong with people?
I've been warning about these things for what has to be around 15yrs give or take. I've been laughed at, mocked, sniped, called silly names, you name it, then all of a sudden, as if by magic, what I've been warning about has become a reality. Take for instance phones listening into your conversations or them passively listening in while you're not using them...all came true. The really sad part in all of this is that even when these things do get rolled out to the herd and it comes out that they've been listening in the whole time, they'll employ all manner of fantastical mental gymnastics to rationalize it all away...
I'm certainly not a conspiracy nut in the slightest and steer clear of the outlandish nonsense/noise that is out there, all the same, there are sinister forces at play and more than likely lead to some very dark places wether you want to believe it or not.
In reply to Post #1117
We already have the Yoti app and apple wallet. I use both already
We already have the Yoti app and apple wallet. I use both already
In reply to Post #1117
there are sinister forces at play and more than likely lead to some very dark places wether you want to believe it or not.
Even darker than under the bed where you're hiding?
there are sinister forces at play and more than likely lead to some very dark places wether you want to believe it or not.
Even darker than under the bed where you're hiding?
In reply to Post #1118
In reply to Post #1120
Ok
Ok
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In reply to Post #1117
"I'm certainly not a conspiracy nut" 🤔
"I'm certainly not a conspiracy nut" 🤔
In reply to Post #1107
So just to be clear you can't answer why we havnt lockdown when they have the perfect excuse to do it
There is no perfect excuse though, is there? The data is all pointing to Omicron being an extremely weak variant, albeit highly transmissible. We should not be locking down for a variant which will NOT kill a high number of people who contract it.
As for the devolved governments, it's politics. Plaid, SNP etc will look at the Sage data and use is as a hammer to hit boris with on a wednesday in PMQ's. The reality is, Sage data has been wrong since day one. They give worst case scenario, and give "maybes" rather than solid facts. These have resulted in actions such as ludicrous decisions to close outdoor exercise areas, when in fact exercise is one thing that will stop you from being one of the minute amount of people which will die of Covid, let alone the EVEN SMALLER number which will die from Omicron.
In the period of me contracting covid to being "free", the rules changed from whole households having to isolate to due omicron, to whole households being free as a bird after five days. So, what changed?
So just to be clear you can't answer why we havnt lockdown when they have the perfect excuse to do it
There is no perfect excuse though, is there? The data is all pointing to Omicron being an extremely weak variant, albeit highly transmissible. We should not be locking down for a variant which will NOT kill a high number of people who contract it.
As for the devolved governments, it's politics. Plaid, SNP etc will look at the Sage data and use is as a hammer to hit boris with on a wednesday in PMQ's. The reality is, Sage data has been wrong since day one. They give worst case scenario, and give "maybes" rather than solid facts. These have resulted in actions such as ludicrous decisions to close outdoor exercise areas, when in fact exercise is one thing that will stop you from being one of the minute amount of people which will die of Covid, let alone the EVEN SMALLER number which will die from Omicron.
In the period of me contracting covid to being "free", the rules changed from whole households having to isolate to due omicron, to whole households being free as a bird after five days. So, what changed?
In reply to Post #1124
I know that there isn't a straight forward answer and there are many factors.
I'm just trying to find how us not locking down fits in with the plan of those who thinks this is about something else and not a virus. And so far my couple of mates who have a different view, and anyone one on here hasn't been able to answer where it features in the “plan”
I know that there isn't a straight forward answer and there are many factors.
I'm just trying to find how us not locking down fits in with the plan of those who thinks this is about something else and not a virus. And so far my couple of mates who have a different view, and anyone one on here hasn't been able to answer where it features in the “plan”
In reply to Post #1123
Anyone who works within certain capacities will tell you that technology is not to be trusted, no matter who makes it. Many who worked from home during the lockdowns are or were told to switch off Alexas, and any other form of voice recognition technology whilst in conference calls.
The patriot act. Prime example of a "conspiracy nut" type of tin foil hat "the government are listening to me" idea which goes on every single day.
Stranger things have happened.
Always ask questions, and follow the money.
Anyone who works within certain capacities will tell you that technology is not to be trusted, no matter who makes it. Many who worked from home during the lockdowns are or were told to switch off Alexas, and any other form of voice recognition technology whilst in conference calls.
The patriot act. Prime example of a "conspiracy nut" type of tin foil hat "the government are listening to me" idea which goes on every single day.
Stranger things have happened.
Always ask questions, and follow the money.
In reply to Post #1125
I don't believe in any great "plan" as it were, so I cannot answer that one i'm afraid!
All I know is people are too trusting of the people who they give 20+% of their earnings too.
People haven't trusted the government for decades on instances like the Iraq War etc, yet go in two footed when they get asked to give up businesses and normal daily life for a virus which all data models have been terribly skewed.
I don't believe in any great "plan" as it were, so I cannot answer that one i'm afraid!
All I know is people are too trusting of the people who they give 20+% of their earnings too.
People haven't trusted the government for decades on instances like the Iraq War etc, yet go in two footed when they get asked to give up businesses and normal daily life for a virus which all data models have been terribly skewed.
In reply to Post #1117
One ID to bind them all .....
Tolkien right?
So bill Gates is sauron with his big eye watching all us little hobbitses?
Don't worry, with my long grey hair, I can do a decent gandalf
'None shall pass! (Without a pass)'
Edited for more accuracy
One ID to bind them all .....
Tolkien right?
So bill Gates is sauron with his big eye watching all us little hobbitses?
Don't worry, with my long grey hair, I can do a decent gandalf
'None shall pass! (Without a pass)'
Edited for more accuracy
In reply to Post #1128
It's Dr Bill Gates, get it right 💉
Yeah, Tolkien. Thought it was pretty cool. Something that I made up on the hoof.
It's Dr Bill Gates, get it right 💉
Yeah, Tolkien. Thought it was pretty cool. Something that I made up on the hoof.
Don't know if posted elsewhere on this thread but those absolutely disgraceful scenes that have emerged of police turning up at a pub in Scotland on New Year's Eve is downright sinister and a worrying sign of things to come. 6 riot vans and a couple of dozen police turning up and causing mayhem that even the nazis would be proud of. How on earth the police can be morally content with all this they're carrying out is even more worrying than a virus with a huge percentage of survival should you get it is downright disgraceful and an embarrassment.
The country/world has gone stark raving bonkers and there has to be accountability for such carnage they're causing and continue to cause.
Country is absolutely fcuked.
The country/world has gone stark raving bonkers and there has to be accountability for such carnage they're causing and continue to cause.
Country is absolutely fcuked.
In reply to Post #1130
You can't blame the police for doing their job
They probably don't like anti vaxxers smashing bottles in their faces either but they turn up to do the dirty work for Boris and Co
You can't blame the police for doing their job
They probably don't like anti vaxxers smashing bottles in their faces either but they turn up to do the dirty work for Boris and Co
In reply to Post #1130
I know, imagine living in a country where everyone thinks they know better, and dont give a toss about anything else, sad times indeed
I know, imagine living in a country where everyone thinks they know better, and dont give a toss about anything else, sad times indeed
Imagine 6 vans and 25 police officers turning up because someone allegedly decided to have a dance.....
Imagine the yet more total carnage that would have ensued if a bowl of complimentary peanuts were found on either side of the bar upon their arrival.....
Imagine the yet more total carnage that would have ensued if a bowl of complimentary peanuts were found on either side of the bar upon their arrival.....
In reply to Post #1132
Imagine getting a knighthood for it too.
Imagine getting a knighthood for it too.
In reply to Post #1133
Mental innit, then again clearly they must know better, probably got a GCSE in virology from Facebook
Mental innit, then again clearly they must know better, probably got a GCSE in virology from Facebook
In reply to Post #1131
A little discretion in that situation wouldn't have gone amiss.
A little discretion in that situation wouldn't have gone amiss.
In reply to Post #1136
Would it? I mean, there would have been millions and millions of others following the rules, which are put in place to protect everyone, whether they like it or not
Would it? I mean, there would have been millions and millions of others following the rules, which are put in place to protect everyone, whether they like it or not
In reply to Post #1137
You could quite clearly see that upon them entering that what ensued was not warranted and the police did nothing but inflame the situation.
Edit - Public servants?. tyrannical nazis more like who probably drove past the roughest pub in Glasgow doing far worse on their way.
You could quite clearly see that upon them entering that what ensued was not warranted and the police did nothing but inflame the situation.
Edit - Public servants?. tyrannical nazis more like who probably drove past the roughest pub in Glasgow doing far worse on their way.
Oh looky, Matt Le Tissier reckons it's all dodgy...bloody conspiracy theorists, tsk tsk
https://www.bitchute.com/video/xtsXBnKbQFQV/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/xtsXBnKbQFQV/
In reply to Post #1136
Easy targets. Same as those women who got arrested for having a coffee in a park during lockdown..
I didn't see a single incident round my way like that and the single mum open door policy on the estate didn't change one bit. Still, best not to address the elephant in the room of our colonial cousins ignoring every measure put in place to protect the vulnerable. I've got an idea, let's make out it's in their genetics and not in the mindset or social setting they're forced into by government ineptitude
Easy targets. Same as those women who got arrested for having a coffee in a park during lockdown..
I didn't see a single incident round my way like that and the single mum open door policy on the estate didn't change one bit. Still, best not to address the elephant in the room of our colonial cousins ignoring every measure put in place to protect the vulnerable. I've got an idea, let's make out it's in their genetics and not in the mindset or social setting they're forced into by government ineptitude
In reply to Post #1140
Exactly.....
Just noticed your post after editing my previous post.
Exactly.....
Just noticed your post after editing my previous post.
In reply to Post #1138
It was very clear what was happening, if they wasnt being plonkers the police wouldn't of even come in, again just yet another case of people thinking they know better, but not exactly surprising there are some really dim people that walk among us
It was very clear what was happening, if they wasnt being plonkers the police wouldn't of even come in, again just yet another case of people thinking they know better, but not exactly surprising there are some really dim people that walk among us
In reply to Post #1142
They weren't being plonkers though were they......heaven forbid as that is classed as acceptable in regards to the situation that ensued.
Her 60 year old husband gets wrestled to the floor and then shortly after take his 64 year old wife to the floor.
Would they have entered a pub with youngsters in who were doing very little wrong inflaming that situation?. Would they 30110ck5 like. Selective nazism.
Edit - even outside their is absolutely no need for that officer to lay his hand on that elderly gentleman as that could have kicked off badly....No discretion, just tyrants.
They weren't being plonkers though were they......heaven forbid as that is classed as acceptable in regards to the situation that ensued.
Her 60 year old husband gets wrestled to the floor and then shortly after take his 64 year old wife to the floor.
Would they have entered a pub with youngsters in who were doing very little wrong inflaming that situation?. Would they 30110ck5 like. Selective nazism.
Edit - even outside their is absolutely no need for that officer to lay his hand on that elderly gentleman as that could have kicked off badly....No discretion, just tyrants.
In reply to Post #1142
FYI brain of Britain. If you're going to insult people's intelligence you should HAVE used correct grammar
FYI brain of Britain. If you're going to insult people's intelligence you should HAVE used correct grammar
In reply to Post #1143
Of course they were, a load of drink inside, then kick off at the police and bleat about the consequences, if they wanted to have a party, they should have come to England
Of course they were, a load of drink inside, then kick off at the police and bleat about the consequences, if they wanted to have a party, they should have come to England
In reply to Post #1144
Sorry, I forgot I was in some form of grammar competition 😬
Sorry, I forgot I was in some form of grammar competition 😬
In reply to Post #1146
No competition, doesn't bother me if you never picked it up in primary school.
But if you're calling people dim it's probably worth proof reading the post.
No competition, doesn't bother me if you never picked it up in primary school.
But if you're calling people dim it's probably worth proof reading the post.
In reply to Post #1147
Cool, I could go back across all your posts and let you know where you need a comma or two, but that would be boring wouldn't it
Cool, I could go back across all your posts and let you know where you need a comma or two, but that would be boring wouldn't it
In reply to Post #1148
*that would be boring, wouldn't it?
*that would be boring, wouldn't it?
In reply to Post #1149
You are so easy 😂😂😂
You are so easy 😂😂😂
In reply to Post #1145
Have you actually seen the video of when they entered the place?.
Heaven forbid that there should be loads of drink inside a pub.
Looked all civil up until the nazis made it to be something that should never have ensued.
The moment it became out of order was when that other officer decided to intervene by putting his hand on that bloke.
Must be really proud of themselves letting off pent up steam in the Joan and derby club.
Have you actually seen the video of when they entered the place?.
Heaven forbid that there should be loads of drink inside a pub.
Looked all civil up until the nazis made it to be something that should never have ensued.
The moment it became out of order was when that other officer decided to intervene by putting his hand on that bloke.
Must be really proud of themselves letting off pent up steam in the Joan and derby club.
In reply to Post #1150
So is reading and writing but you struggle with that
So is reading and writing but you struggle with that
In reply to Post #1135
That couldn't possibly be those from SAGE who predicted 2 million cases per day by the end of the year, only to be out by 1.8 million. Surely not.
That couldn't possibly be those from SAGE who predicted 2 million cases per day by the end of the year, only to be out by 1.8 million. Surely not.
In reply to Post #1152
Not particularly, but again, I'm not pulling people up on their spelling and grammar to try and look good, when you need to look at your own, because it ain't perfect. I knew youd bite on that last one, absolutely read you like a book, throw the crumbs out.
Anyhow, yeah watched the heavily edited video, bit too much alcohol, and everyone thinks they can back chat the police and not think anything will happen, regardless of how old you are if you're gonna do that at that age, then you're old enough to know there could well be consequences
Not particularly, but again, I'm not pulling people up on their spelling and grammar to try and look good, when you need to look at your own, because it ain't perfect. I knew youd bite on that last one, absolutely read you like a book, throw the crumbs out.
Anyhow, yeah watched the heavily edited video, bit too much alcohol, and everyone thinks they can back chat the police and not think anything will happen, regardless of how old you are if you're gonna do that at that age, then you're old enough to know there could well be consequences
In reply to Post #1154
Back chatting the police.....You'll be saying next that a police officer is allowed to be offended and take offence by it whilst in the line of duty.....
Back chatting the police.....You'll be saying next that a police officer is allowed to be offended and take offence by it whilst in the line of duty.....
In reply to Post #1151
Tazi - they're not nazis
The laws were pretty clear and the police are paid to uphold them.
I'm all for challenging heavy handed and inappropriate policing. If they've overstepped a line there's the ipcc to deal with it.
Tazi - they're not nazis
The laws were pretty clear and the police are paid to uphold them.
I'm all for challenging heavy handed and inappropriate policing. If they've overstepped a line there's the ipcc to deal with it.
In reply to Post #1154
*you'd
Ffs I'm sure Mal could spare half an hour to iron these little problems out.
*you'd
Ffs I'm sure Mal could spare half an hour to iron these little problems out.
Andy......move to China, Canada, italy, Germany or France........have the booster booster and be happy.......
In reply to Post #1157
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
In reply to Post #1158
Why would I move? I'm happy to play by the rules, if you dont, and get caught, you cant bleat about the consequences, it's very simple.
Why would I move? I'm happy to play by the rules, if you dont, and get caught, you cant bleat about the consequences, it's very simple.
In reply to Post #1156
Taking photographs or videos in a place that is publicly accessible is not a crime. They have no legal right to demand that the gentleman's spouse hands over her phone to them but took it off her anyway.
Laws are pretty clear and the police did not uphold them.
Edit - Why demand her phone, surely they had nothing to hide....
Taking photographs or videos in a place that is publicly accessible is not a crime. They have no legal right to demand that the gentleman's spouse hands over her phone to them but took it off her anyway.
Laws are pretty clear and the police did not uphold them.
Edit - Why demand her phone, surely they had nothing to hide....
The coppers in the UK are not Nazis ... get a grip.
Wayne .. he can't move to the last 3 countries because you voted for brexit.
Wayne .. he can't move to the last 3 countries because you voted for brexit.
In reply to Post #1160
What rules Andy? there isn't any I'm aware of?
Surely anyone can apply for residency Jon......
What rules Andy? there isn't any I'm aware of?
Surely anyone can apply for residency Jon......
In reply to Post #1163
I thought facemasks are mandatory in quite a few places
I thought facemasks are mandatory in quite a few places
In reply to Post #1136
I think your right here Tazi. A little discretion would have gone a long way in this instance
On the flip side if any of you regularly do away days following your football team then you will know full well how badly football fans, especially away fans, are treated. I dont hear any uproar about that that happens almost weekly for the last 30 odd years
I think your right here Tazi. A little discretion would have gone a long way in this instance
On the flip side if any of you regularly do away days following your football team then you will know full well how badly football fans, especially away fans, are treated. I dont hear any uproar about that that happens almost weekly for the last 30 odd years
In reply to Post #1164
I thought facemasks are mandatory in quite a few places
i think there optional so hardly a rule........
I thought facemasks are mandatory in quite a few places
i think there optional so hardly a rule........
In reply to Post #1162
There certainly is a few that act like them out there. I ain't against cops, just bad cops.
There certainly is a few that act like them out there. I ain't against cops, just bad cops.
In reply to Post #1166
Ah cool, see how thay works for you the next time you board a flight 👍
Ah cool, see how thay works for you the next time you board a flight 👍
In reply to Post #1168
Won't be a next time.......would be a first time.......
Won't be a next time.......would be a first time.......
In reply to Post #1169
Jesus 😬
Jesus 😬
In reply to Post #1158
So individuals that are not happy about the situation in their own country should be able to move to another country?
Asking for some people in Calais.
So individuals that are not happy about the situation in their own country should be able to move to another country?
Asking for some people in Calais.
In reply to Post #1171
Face masks back in classrooms for secondary school kids. Given my old mush it's probably something that will directly benefit the students hugely
Face masks back in classrooms for secondary school kids. Given my old mush it's probably something that will directly benefit the students hugely
In reply to Post #1172
I saw that yesterday, given how quickly it was spreading through my daughter's school before Christmas, I dont think its particularly surprising, and probably the correct call
I saw that yesterday, given how quickly it was spreading through my daughter's school before Christmas, I dont think its particularly surprising, and probably the correct call
A purely selfish act by the NAHT who demanded it of the government, to protect the teachers at the expense of children's mental health.
26 year old previously healthy adult with Omicron. Someone who would not have a vaccine. What you can see is their lungs. Inside the green circles is their available air supply. In the red circle, it is all liquid, which is stopping them from breathing unaided.
Earlier in the other deleted threads I mentioned about how you actually die from the virus, by drowning in the air, exactly the same as Spanish Flu.
There it is, happening in that photo below to some poor sod.
Earlier in the other deleted threads I mentioned about how you actually die from the virus, by drowning in the air, exactly the same as Spanish Flu.
There it is, happening in that photo below to some poor sod.
In reply to Post #1174
That's pish
If all the teachers are off with covid who's teaching the kids?
And kids having to isolate and / or stay home for online learning is a greater detriment to their mental health
That's pish
If all the teachers are off with covid who's teaching the kids?
And kids having to isolate and / or stay home for online learning is a greater detriment to their mental health
In reply to Post #1176
Exactly, the children are old enough to know what is going on, they'll be just fine
Exactly, the children are old enough to know what is going on, they'll be just fine
In reply to Post #1175
They don't look like healthy lungs at all. Although that red circle is a high proportion of the space between the lungs where the spine and heart live isn't it?
They don't look like healthy lungs at all. Although that red circle is a high proportion of the space between the lungs where the spine and heart live isn't it?
In reply to Post #1175
Not good at all. The problem is though that this doesn't happen to many at all. My anti vax mate and his whole anti vax family have just come out of a ten day quarantine as they all had covid. 14 people in all, ages of 4 to mid 50s and none had more than a few days of sniffles and a day or so of tiredness. Why risk it though I hear you say!............that's what they say to me about the vaccine..........
I think now is the time you just say, it's your choice and then leave them to it otherwise you run the risk of falling out over something that is their choice not yours.
Not good at all. The problem is though that this doesn't happen to many at all. My anti vax mate and his whole anti vax family have just come out of a ten day quarantine as they all had covid. 14 people in all, ages of 4 to mid 50s and none had more than a few days of sniffles and a day or so of tiredness. Why risk it though I hear you say!............that's what they say to me about the vaccine..........
I think now is the time you just say, it's your choice and then leave them to it otherwise you run the risk of falling out over something that is their choice not yours.
In reply to Post #1178
They are not healthy lungs now Noj no, that's why I said 'previously'. Now, they are lungs so filled up with liquid from the virus... That without help to breathe, the 26 year old would already be dead. There's a very good chance they will still die.
There's no conspiracy here mate. No MSM lies. Just the truth.
They are not healthy lungs now Noj no, that's why I said 'previously'. Now, they are lungs so filled up with liquid from the virus... That without help to breathe, the 26 year old would already be dead. There's a very good chance they will still die.
There's no conspiracy here mate. No MSM lies. Just the truth.
In reply to Post #1180
I'm not suggesting it's a conspiracy mate, just that the red circle is centred between those lungs. The damage/fluid is the hazy bits either side.
There are people with multiple vaccine doses in hospital with lungs just like this, albeit proportionately fewer, but the rhetoric is lost on here now I reckon mate. Colours are well and truly nailed to masts
I'm not suggesting it's a conspiracy mate, just that the red circle is centred between those lungs. The damage/fluid is the hazy bits either side.
There are people with multiple vaccine doses in hospital with lungs just like this, albeit proportionately fewer, but the rhetoric is lost on here now I reckon mate. Colours are well and truly nailed to masts
In reply to Post #1182
Spoiler alert!
Spoiler alert!
In reply to Post #1182
Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing 👍
Interesting stuff, thanks for sharing 👍
In reply to Post #1184
I agree 👍
Rational and sensible. I wonder if she fancies being pm?
I agree 👍
Rational and sensible. I wonder if she fancies being pm?
In reply to Post #1182
I gave up trying to read that with all those irritating little video thingies all over the place.
I gave up trying to read that with all those irritating little video thingies all over the place.
In reply to Post #1175
So what's your point, someone caught the coof? Well done. Wasn't we all aware of that?
I could post up videos of brains being dissected with large blood clots in them, or people getting the shot and instantly going into convulsions, or others that have had to have arms or legs amputated because of side effects of the vaccines. All it would achieve is proving s4it happens, you know?
Nice try, still not getting the vaccine 👍
So what's your point, someone caught the coof? Well done. Wasn't we all aware of that?
I could post up videos of brains being dissected with large blood clots in them, or people getting the shot and instantly going into convulsions, or others that have had to have arms or legs amputated because of side effects of the vaccines. All it would achieve is proving s4it happens, you know?
Nice try, still not getting the vaccine 👍
Reading between the lines from various sources the jabs will slow down this year and it's simply time to get on with life........about bloody time.......
Damage done though is massive and I'm sure there will be people fearing CV for many years to come......
Damage done though is massive and I'm sure there will be people fearing CV for many years to come......
In reply to Post #1188
Hopefully Wayne we can finally start to put all this behind us
Then we will have to deal with the mental health timebomb
Hopefully Wayne we can finally start to put all this behind us
Then we will have to deal with the mental health timebomb
In reply to Post #1189
Hopefully, I can imagine so many people who were relying on the jab to protect them for the rest of there life simply being unsustainable, too expensive, impractical etc....the knock on effect of that will be huge as you have to try and convince them same people they will be ok WITHOUT the jab but like the jab itself there is a very very small risk you could become seriously ill...........
Backlog and missed diagnosis of serious illness from Heart conditions, Cancer will take years to now correct.........
Hopefully, I can imagine so many people who were relying on the jab to protect them for the rest of there life simply being unsustainable, too expensive, impractical etc....the knock on effect of that will be huge as you have to try and convince them same people they will be ok WITHOUT the jab but like the jab itself there is a very very small risk you could become seriously ill...........
Backlog and missed diagnosis of serious illness from Heart conditions, Cancer will take years to now correct.........
In reply to Post #1190
The past few weeks and reaction to omicron has shown me just how terrified a significant proportion of the population are. I would go as far as saying that they are damaged. Hopefully we can get back to some kind of normality because without good mental health you have nothing.
I genuinely believe that some of the posters on this thread are unwittingly suffering mental health issues.
The past few weeks and reaction to omicron has shown me just how terrified a significant proportion of the population are. I would go as far as saying that they are damaged. Hopefully we can get back to some kind of normality because without good mental health you have nothing.
I genuinely believe that some of the posters on this thread are unwittingly suffering mental health issues.
In reply to Post #1191
The jab whatever folk think of it is doing it's job keeping the deaths low in the UK. If Covid omicron proves the last roll of the dice then fingers crossed we can move on to this endemic phase and it end up just like the common cold perhaps though still with a few caveats like annual jab like the flu.
For the NHS etc it's been a vicious circle people catching it having to isolate / folk need hospitalization.
No country has finite resources. And all political parties leaders have been blamed by their public (which is a mixture of frustration and worry)
Yep missed diagnoses, that's all to be expected nothing anyone could have done different, this has been a global crisis.
Mental health
Yep very evident on this thread, lots of frustration, many members banned (Mr Moo, bigclanger) some bizarre theories I grew up on X-files but some of the crackpot / loony tunes theories on here time to recall Mulder & Scully
Coming back to work today lots of folk had Covid some worse than others but all still here. Some before Xmas and seem to be suffering from long Covid - which is the real worry (heavy fatigue and brain fog mainly)
A work colleague who is clinically extremely vulnerable (had stem cell therapy 2years ago for a rare blood cancer) just had his fourth jab a whole Pfizer one, his third does was a 1/2 of Moderna)
I think some of the tin hat brigade will also continue to live in fear and question everything they see and read.
Me I say life's too short time to go fishing.
The jab whatever folk think of it is doing it's job keeping the deaths low in the UK. If Covid omicron proves the last roll of the dice then fingers crossed we can move on to this endemic phase and it end up just like the common cold perhaps though still with a few caveats like annual jab like the flu.
For the NHS etc it's been a vicious circle people catching it having to isolate / folk need hospitalization.
No country has finite resources. And all political parties leaders have been blamed by their public (which is a mixture of frustration and worry)
Yep missed diagnoses, that's all to be expected nothing anyone could have done different, this has been a global crisis.
Mental health
Yep very evident on this thread, lots of frustration, many members banned (Mr Moo, bigclanger) some bizarre theories I grew up on X-files but some of the crackpot / loony tunes theories on here time to recall Mulder & Scully
Coming back to work today lots of folk had Covid some worse than others but all still here. Some before Xmas and seem to be suffering from long Covid - which is the real worry (heavy fatigue and brain fog mainly)
A work colleague who is clinically extremely vulnerable (had stem cell therapy 2years ago for a rare blood cancer) just had his fourth jab a whole Pfizer one, his third does was a 1/2 of Moderna)
I think some of the tin hat brigade will also continue to live in fear and question everything they see and read.
Me I say life's too short time to go fishing.
In reply to Post #1191
I dont know one single person who is vaccinated, or unvaccinated who is living in terror. It seems an easy blanket statement to make to people who are happy to get vaccinated, and have boosters, but the figures dont lie, it is the most logical thing to do, and most the of the population feel the same.
I dont know one single person who is vaccinated, or unvaccinated who is living in terror. It seems an easy blanket statement to make to people who are happy to get vaccinated, and have boosters, but the figures dont lie, it is the most logical thing to do, and most the of the population feel the same.
In reply to Post #1190
Good as it is to see your concern for people getting diagnosed with underlying health conditions I can't help but wonder if that's just so they can all be locked away with the vulnerable while everyone else cracks on.
Good as it is to see your concern for people getting diagnosed with underlying health conditions I can't help but wonder if that's just so they can all be locked away with the vulnerable while everyone else cracks on.
Something for everyone today at the presser
Today Johnson said 'Omicron is mild, hospitalisations are less likely'.
Whitty said 'Omicron is not mild, we're heading towards the hospitalisation peak seen last January.'
Today Johnson said 'Omicron is mild, hospitalisations are less likely'.
Whitty said 'Omicron is not mild, we're heading towards the hospitalisation peak seen last January.'
In reply to Post #1195
Witty is the anti Christ
Witty is the anti Christ
In reply to Post #1195
They're pretty confident Boris' followers ignore Whitty and vice versa I'd have thought
They're pretty confident Boris' followers ignore Whitty and vice versa I'd have thought
In reply to Post #1197
I was thinking, could it be that these nobodies fear slipping into irrelevance and are desperate to stay relevant and will say anything to stay in the spotlight?
Seems there's to me theres been a power play going on for sometime now. The ratcheting up of the fesr levels, Boris for once in his miserable life has actually stood firm and not give in to the fear/scare/sheer horror stats/factoids on steroids chaps. I'm really warming to Boris once again.
Stay mad Witty
I was thinking, could it be that these nobodies fear slipping into irrelevance and are desperate to stay relevant and will say anything to stay in the spotlight?
Seems there's to me theres been a power play going on for sometime now. The ratcheting up of the fesr levels, Boris for once in his miserable life has actually stood firm and not give in to the fear/scare/sheer horror stats/factoids on steroids chaps. I'm really warming to Boris once again.
Stay mad Witty
In reply to Post #1198
Of course you are
That's exactly what he wants you to do ffs
Of course you are
That's exactly what he wants you to do ffs
In reply to Post #1198
Don't be a dope TC. Witty and Johnson are saying the same thing, whilst hiding behind stats and both right obviously
Don't be a dope TC. Witty and Johnson are saying the same thing, whilst hiding behind stats and both right obviously
In reply to Post #1195
He said it's not a mild disease. It may kill fewer people than the previous versions, but that doesnt mean it's still not a dangerous disease
He said it's not a mild disease. It may kill fewer people than the previous versions, but that doesnt mean it's still not a dangerous disease
Valance also said we won't be jabbing 3, 4, 5, 6, or how ever many times a year some were mocking on here recently. It will be a once a year jab for those that need it just like the flu.
That's been strangely ignored on here tonight !!!
So no lockdown, and now no further jabs for most after this year. What's the thoughts of those of that think there's some conspiracy/agenda behind all this ?
That's been strangely ignored on here tonight !!!
So no lockdown, and now no further jabs for most after this year. What's the thoughts of those of that think there's some conspiracy/agenda behind all this ?
In reply to Post #1202
Well, let's just cross our fingers and hope this all just fades into the far distance.
I don't know if I ever said it here, might have done: I don't want anything I've ever suggested to become even a remote reality. I don't want to be right in the slightest and delighted to be wrong. Who the f..k wants to live in a world like I've been mentioning, not I, sod that.
All I ever wanted was for Boris to nuts all of this insanity off. I kept repeatedly saying he should let it rip, and he has, hallelujah, praise the lord.
So, tell me this, you lot of lefties still wanna be in the coomie European Union with its mandatory vaccinations and Covid passes and whatever crazy they'll dream up next? Not working out so well for our European cousins is it?
Well, let's just cross our fingers and hope this all just fades into the far distance.
I don't know if I ever said it here, might have done: I don't want anything I've ever suggested to become even a remote reality. I don't want to be right in the slightest and delighted to be wrong. Who the f..k wants to live in a world like I've been mentioning, not I, sod that.
All I ever wanted was for Boris to nuts all of this insanity off. I kept repeatedly saying he should let it rip, and he has, hallelujah, praise the lord.
So, tell me this, you lot of lefties still wanna be in the coomie European Union with its mandatory vaccinations and Covid passes and whatever crazy they'll dream up next? Not working out so well for our European cousins is it?
In reply to Post #1203
Apart from the restrictions though
Apart from the restrictions though
In reply to Post #1204
What do you mean mate?
What do you mean mate?
In reply to Post #1203
Brushing over the other cobbler's in that post, addressing paragraph 3:
With 90% vaccinated, hospital's full of the correct PPE and equipment and drugs and techniques to quickly save lives. Letting it rip whilst you've a full arsenal of proven methods, people, expertise and a waning virus is the right time to scientifically make a judgement.
The ultra libertarian clowns timeline (probably yourself, Wayne etc) was not I'm afraid to tell you.
Brushing over the other cobbler's in that post, addressing paragraph 3:
With 90% vaccinated, hospital's full of the correct PPE and equipment and drugs and techniques to quickly save lives. Letting it rip whilst you've a full arsenal of proven methods, people, expertise and a waning virus is the right time to scientifically make a judgement.
The ultra libertarian clowns timeline (probably yourself, Wayne etc) was not I'm afraid to tell you.
In reply to Post #1205
Well you're not exactly letting it rip of you have restrictions in place
Well you're not exactly letting it rip of you have restrictions in place
In reply to Post #1206
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
We'll never know now what would have happened if doctors/hospitals would have used drugs like Ivermectin and the likes.
Anyway, I can't be arsed to argue. I'm just happy that this dark cloud seems to be lifting. The talk of mandatory vaccinations was very worrying, not so much in the sense of possibly dying from the clot shot, we all die at some point - not scared of dying, more so the fact of slipping into the hell realms of totalitarianism, ala the EU et al.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
We'll never know now what would have happened if doctors/hospitals would have used drugs like Ivermectin and the likes.
Anyway, I can't be arsed to argue. I'm just happy that this dark cloud seems to be lifting. The talk of mandatory vaccinations was very worrying, not so much in the sense of possibly dying from the clot shot, we all die at some point - not scared of dying, more so the fact of slipping into the hell realms of totalitarianism, ala the EU et al.
In reply to Post #1207
Certainly not. Don't you think it could be that he's playing to the crowd like the clown teachers that are constantly hand wringing and screeching muh masks, muh Covid tests; all so very tiring, a token gesture if you will?
Certainly not. Don't you think it could be that he's playing to the crowd like the clown teachers that are constantly hand wringing and screeching muh masks, muh Covid tests; all so very tiring, a token gesture if you will?
I only caught some of the end of their press conference. We deduced that sir whit-alot won't be slaying any dragons or rescuing damsels in distress; but in this day and age can the man not have a bloody button to change slides himself
As and when the cloud of Covid lifts and the future seems a bit better, what's the betting those now fearing 'the totalitarian state' will just switch to something else to be afraid of.
The tories who were so scared of EU tyranny soon switched to being anti covid restrictions once the brexit merry-go-round ground to a halt.
I imagine the anti-vax, anti-mask lot will soon move back to being scared of brown folk once covid has gone. Especially when they see the freedom-of-movement from India that's on the table for a trade deal.
The tories who were so scared of EU tyranny soon switched to being anti covid restrictions once the brexit merry-go-round ground to a halt.
I imagine the anti-vax, anti-mask lot will soon move back to being scared of brown folk once covid has gone. Especially when they see the freedom-of-movement from India that's on the table for a trade deal.
In reply to Post #1211
I did inform some brexit voters I know who cited immigration as one of their concerns that immigrants would simply become a darker shade of brown. I bet they're kicking themselves now
I did inform some brexit voters I know who cited immigration as one of their concerns that immigrants would simply become a darker shade of brown. I bet they're kicking themselves now
In reply to Post #1211
Once covid subsides and the artificial financial state the money printing is providing implodes and everyone realises real world inflation is at a much higher level than the 5% quoted, they'll turn to hunter gatherers ready for Armageddon (probably rightly so).
Once covid subsides and the artificial financial state the money printing is providing implodes and everyone realises real world inflation is at a much higher level than the 5% quoted, they'll turn to hunter gatherers ready for Armageddon (probably rightly so).
How do we feel about the hypocrisy of the Australians allowing Djokovic in?
Everyone should listen to this
Joe Rogan And Dr Robert Malone MD, developer of the mRNA technology used in the vaccines link
Joe Rogan And Dr Robert Malone MD, developer of the mRNA technology used in the vaccines link
In reply to Post #1193
Andy,
Mainly across the local groups on facebook, I think probably the slightly elder generation, more than likely mostly vaccinated, but it wasn't a reflection on anything to do with vaccination status, just people in general have been really affected by this. There is also a group who hate the conservatives, and so use the lack of restrictions / measures as a stick to beat them with. But it's a shame when you see old folk walking down the road and cowering away from others so as not to breathe in their germs.
I replied because I was worried that you thought I was having a pop at the vaccinated.
My comment about the people on here was aimed mainly at the likes of Noj and TeeCee, both of whom seem incredibly angry at everything for no discernible reason (apart from that Noj worked right through and didn't get furlough )
Andy,
Mainly across the local groups on facebook, I think probably the slightly elder generation, more than likely mostly vaccinated, but it wasn't a reflection on anything to do with vaccination status, just people in general have been really affected by this. There is also a group who hate the conservatives, and so use the lack of restrictions / measures as a stick to beat them with. But it's a shame when you see old folk walking down the road and cowering away from others so as not to breathe in their germs.
I replied because I was worried that you thought I was having a pop at the vaccinated.
My comment about the people on here was aimed mainly at the likes of Noj and TeeCee, both of whom seem incredibly angry at everything for no discernible reason (apart from that Noj worked right through and didn't get furlough
)
In reply to Post #1215
...and not fall for it
...and not fall for it
In reply to Post #1215
Bloody DP again
Bloody DP again
In reply to Post #1215
Dr Robert Malone MD, developer of the mRNA technology
I think that should be 'Dr Robert Malone, who claims to have been part of the team who developed the mRNA tech ...'
If you think that's worth listening to, I think Julian Clary has a Bushcraft and Survival podcast out soon ...
Dr Robert Malone MD, developer of the mRNA technology
I think that should be 'Dr Robert Malone, who claims to have been part of the team who developed the mRNA tech ...'
If you think that's worth listening to, I think Julian Clary has a Bushcraft and Survival podcast out soon ...
In reply to Post #1219
Oooh is that the one where he volunteers to wrestle the big snake...
Sorry - I was in my 1976 reset for a minute
Oooh is that the one where he volunteers to wrestle the big snake...
Sorry - I was in my 1976 reset for a minute
In reply to Post #1220
Boa-constrict-HIM
Boa-constrict-HIM
In reply to Post #1216
You'd be half right, Vince. I have a list as long as both arms of things I'm always angry about but it always boils down to money and people being paid for **** all is quite rightly near the top. If you lived hand to mouth in a **** hole surrounded by ****s you may understand.
I couldn't care less about covid restrictions because my kids eating relies on me paying no attention to them.
You'd be half right, Vince. I have a list as long as both arms of things I'm always angry about but it always boils down to money and people being paid for **** all is quite rightly near the top. If you lived hand to mouth in a **** hole surrounded by ****s you may understand.
I couldn't care less about covid restrictions because my kids eating relies on me paying no attention to them.
In reply to Post #1222
The kids or the restrictions...?
The kids or the restrictions...?
In reply to Post #1223
As I'm out of the house for 14 hours a day, a bit of both.
As I'm out of the house for 14 hours a day, a bit of both.
In reply to Post #1224
House? We used to live in a cardboard box...
House? We used to live in a cardboard box...
In reply to Post #1225
*small flat
*small flat
In reply to Post #1219
I take it you are saying that on the basis of actually having listened to the interview rather than what you've read somewhere? If not, listen to it or at least some of it then see what you think
I take it you are saying that on the basis of actually having listened to the interview rather than what you've read somewhere? If not, listen to it or at least some of it then see what you think
In reply to Post #1222
Since when is wearing a mask in a taxi got to do with putting food on your table??
Since when is wearing a mask in a taxi got to do with putting food on your table??
In reply to Post #1227
They just won't watch it unfortunately. Instead, they'll just parrot what they've read somewhere where some smear merchant has smeared the guys character (wrongly and incorrectly) and just close their minds to the guy.
The ironic thing in all of this is the fact that the guy has patents for this tech which has been proven time and again, literally invented the tech which all of these vaccines are riding off of, yet repeatedly tell others to 'listen to the science', but not this science, like the inventor of *the science*. Words fail me with this mentality. Many such cases.
Something Mike Yeadon brings up in respect to the lipid that wraps the messenger part of the vaccine, Yeadon points out that the lipid was developed in a laboratory and has never been tested for it's safe use, like never. This lipid doesn't exist in nature. So, we have a test vaccine with component parts which we know nothing of their toxicity values and possible harm, I mean, what could possibly go wrong, right?
They just won't watch it unfortunately. Instead, they'll just parrot what they've read somewhere where some smear merchant has smeared the guys character (wrongly and incorrectly) and just close their minds to the guy.
The ironic thing in all of this is the fact that the guy has patents for this tech which has been proven time and again, literally invented the tech which all of these vaccines are riding off of, yet repeatedly tell others to 'listen to the science', but not this science, like the inventor of *the science*. Words fail me with this mentality. Many such cases.
Something Mike Yeadon brings up in respect to the lipid that wraps the messenger part of the vaccine, Yeadon points out that the lipid was developed in a laboratory and has never been tested for it's safe use, like never. This lipid doesn't exist in nature. So, we have a test vaccine with component parts which we know nothing of their toxicity values and possible harm, I mean, what could possibly go wrong, right?
Macron just being Macron according to the G........
Chuffy - wasted on people, I mean why believe one scientist over the yay saying ones.......
Chuffy - wasted on people, I mean why believe one scientist over the yay saying ones.......
In reply to Post #1228
Since when have I said I won't wear a mask?
And since when has wearing a mask even been a restriction?
I mean wether we are put into another lockdown or movements are restricted in any way. I went out more than usual during lockdown. Somebody had to start paying for all the financial support, medical care and vaccines. That coupled with brexit has put people on the bread line.
I don't mean my kids are hungry in what I say, I tick along and pay for all the comforts everybody else has; which actually puts us in a worse position than having nothing because any loss of earnings through covid or knock on effects with pricing and supply from brexit means the debts accumulate quickly and the margins aren't there to claw it back.
I've worked twice as hard and my costs have escalated to a point I earned less than the 80% given to those paid to stay home (who some subsequently managed to catch covid while being ‘at home') to protect the health service I'm paying for.
To be honest I've worked so hard for so little, anybody who is ever smug about the fact they worked and got furlough, were paid to do nothing or somehow scammed a loan or grant, I'd happily strangle the **** to death. Horrible slippery selfish ****ers
Since when have I said I won't wear a mask?
And since when has wearing a mask even been a restriction?
I mean wether we are put into another lockdown or movements are restricted in any way. I went out more than usual during lockdown. Somebody had to start paying for all the financial support, medical care and vaccines. That coupled with brexit has put people on the bread line.
I don't mean my kids are hungry in what I say, I tick along and pay for all the comforts everybody else has; which actually puts us in a worse position than having nothing because any loss of earnings through covid or knock on effects with pricing and supply from brexit means the debts accumulate quickly and the margins aren't there to claw it back.
I've worked twice as hard and my costs have escalated to a point I earned less than the 80% given to those paid to stay home (who some subsequently managed to catch covid while being ‘at home') to protect the health service I'm paying for.
To be honest I've worked so hard for so little, anybody who is ever smug about the fact they worked and got furlough, were paid to do nothing or somehow scammed a loan or grant, I'd happily strangle the **** to death. Horrible slippery selfish ****ers
In reply to Post #1231
Pissed me off the lot that had been tossing it off for the best part of two years. Had a few heated words with a few work-shy types on the bank who were furloughed telling me how great it was being payed to sit on their jax whilst still cotching up 🤬
I got the first grant as I was forced to stop work and didn't go back for 3 months. Had very little left in my bank account by the time we were allowed to go back to work. Since then, I've cracked along through all the other lockdowns without stopping and haven't received or asked for any grants since. Had to pay the full tax on the grant i received.
Pissed me off the lot that had been tossing it off for the best part of two years. Had a few heated words with a few work-shy types on the bank who were furloughed telling me how great it was being payed to sit on their jax whilst still cotching up 🤬
I got the first grant as I was forced to stop work and didn't go back for 3 months. Had very little left in my bank account by the time we were allowed to go back to work. Since then, I've cracked along through all the other lockdowns without stopping and haven't received or asked for any grants since. Had to pay the full tax on the grant i received.
In reply to Post #1231
You said you couldn't care less about restrictions, and wearing a mask on public transport is a restriction, just one of the few we have in place.
In regards to working during the major lockdown, I was furloughed, am I sorry no, I'm not, it was completely out of my hands, I worked for a multi billion pound company who just followed the rules. Did I lose out? Yes I did, i was down 33% of my earnings, but I got a chance to spend months with my daughter in a way I'd never thought would happen, and yes had plenty of fun doing so. Maybe you need to take the chip off your shoulder about people being on furlough, because I would guarantee I wasnt the only one who was worse off
You said you couldn't care less about restrictions, and wearing a mask on public transport is a restriction, just one of the few we have in place.
In regards to working during the major lockdown, I was furloughed, am I sorry no, I'm not, it was completely out of my hands, I worked for a multi billion pound company who just followed the rules. Did I lose out? Yes I did, i was down 33% of my earnings, but I got a chance to spend months with my daughter in a way I'd never thought would happen, and yes had plenty of fun doing so. Maybe you need to take the chip off your shoulder about people being on furlough, because I would guarantee I wasnt the only one who was worse off
In reply to Post #1233
But there are loads of people on the buses I drive past in my privately owned vehicle without a mask, I wouldn't know about trains because I can't exactly fit my tool kit on a trolley.
You really have no idea of the financial implications, risks and measures I've had to take so don't tell me about chips on shoulders. I'm glad you got to spend time with your daughter, it sounds like a hoot.
But don't you dare question my frustration with a system that has dry raped me for the last 2 years even more than previously.
I had to accept I was more than likely going to catch and give covid to my pregnant partner, son and then newborn in the hour or 2 I get to see them to make ends meet, anybody given the financial cushion of not having to make that decision through necessity has no right to question my stance.
But there are loads of people on the buses I drive past in my privately owned vehicle without a mask, I wouldn't know about trains because I can't exactly fit my tool kit on a trolley.
You really have no idea of the financial implications, risks and measures I've had to take so don't tell me about chips on shoulders. I'm glad you got to spend time with your daughter, it sounds like a hoot.
But don't you dare question my frustration with a system that has dry raped me for the last 2 years even more than previously.
I had to accept I was more than likely going to catch and give covid to my pregnant partner, son and then newborn in the hour or 2 I get to see them to make ends meet, anybody given the financial cushion of not having to make that decision through necessity has no right to question my stance.
In reply to Post #1234
So there you go, your frustration is with the game, and not with the players which you seem to have alot of resentment about.
As I said did I ask for it? No, did I want to be furloughed? No, but did I make the most of it? Bloody hell yes, who wouldn't? but that's not my fault, and again, I lost a third of my wages for doing it, and whatever way you look at it, that's a bloody lot of money, so you're not the only one who had implications.
I do feel for those who had to carry on, I know plenty who did, but at least you're still working, thousands upon thousands who were furloughed never got to go back to their job, as covid had ruined it for them
So there you go, your frustration is with the game, and not with the players which you seem to have alot of resentment about.
As I said did I ask for it? No, did I want to be furloughed? No, but did I make the most of it? Bloody hell yes, who wouldn't? but that's not my fault, and again, I lost a third of my wages for doing it, and whatever way you look at it, that's a bloody lot of money, so you're not the only one who had implications.
I do feel for those who had to carry on, I know plenty who did, but at least you're still working, thousands upon thousands who were furloughed never got to go back to their job, as covid had ruined it for them
In reply to Post #1230
I mean why believe one scientist over the yay saying ones.....
... because they're in a tiny minority of less than 0.01% of people qualified in the field?
I mean why believe one scientist over the yay saying ones.....
... because they're in a tiny minority of less than 0.01% of people qualified in the field?
In reply to Post #1233
Can't argue with any of that, same boat as I was in. Even though I wanted to go to work I couldn't 👍
Can't argue with any of that, same boat as I was in. Even though I wanted to go to work I couldn't 👍
In reply to Post #1236
Let's say the number you quote is correct, and yet 0.3% on the whole died of Covid. Make your mind up.
Let's say the number you quote is correct, and yet 0.3% on the whole died of Covid. Make your mind up.
In reply to Post #1235
I get your point but you didn't lose 1/3. You were given 2/3
Of course my frustration is with the system and not every individual. But I still resent every penny I've given in tax that may have paid for the quality time and security I never got.
Also you're probably now back at work on full pay, whereas I'm still working with the same burdens of covid and brexit fallout at a loss
I get your point but you didn't lose 1/3. You were given 2/3
Of course my frustration is with the system and not every individual. But I still resent every penny I've given in tax that may have paid for the quality time and security I never got.
Also you're probably now back at work on full pay, whereas I'm still working with the same burdens of covid and brexit fallout at a loss
In reply to Post #1239
I am back at work, though not with the same firm as it was due to shut anyhow, but there were loads of us who would have worked through given the opportunity, it was just the way it worked out for us. The ironic thing about it all, is you see certain celebrities or maybe football clubs take pelters for furloughing their staff, but the company I worked at, which was a multi billion pound company, quite happily took the government furlough scheme, when in reality they probably could have covered the costs themselves, well at least for a while, yet stuff like that went way under the radar
I am back at work, though not with the same firm as it was due to shut anyhow, but there were loads of us who would have worked through given the opportunity, it was just the way it worked out for us. The ironic thing about it all, is you see certain celebrities or maybe football clubs take pelters for furloughing their staff, but the company I worked at, which was a multi billion pound company, quite happily took the government furlough scheme, when in reality they probably could have covered the costs themselves, well at least for a while, yet stuff like that went way under the radar
In reply to Post #1239
When people stayed at home on furlough, that still helped protect you from Covid - even if you still had to go out and work. The people in the houses you were in had less transmisssion risk.
When people stayed at home on furlough, that still helped protect you from Covid - even if you still had to go out and work. The people in the houses you were in had less transmisssion risk.
Kier Starmer now isolating for the '6th' time! I bet he's still getting payed. If it was Joe bloggs the employer would think he was taking the Pi55.
Still, it saves any searching questions in PMQs about his support for Blair's knighthood!
Still, it saves any searching questions in PMQs about his support for Blair's knighthood!
In reply to Post #1242
... but it would've been Starmer ASKING the questions.
It's PMQs - there's a clue in the title.
... but it would've been Starmer ASKING the questions.
It's PMQs - there's a clue in the title.
In reply to Post #1242
Of course he's getting paid. Although it's probably more than the statutory sick pay that many people have been faced with. I expect they were all getting paid while at the many Christmas gatherings and cheese and wine evenings too. Scumbags the lot of them.
As for Blair and the knighthood- have you seen / signed the petition for it to be revoked?
Of course he's getting paid. Although it's probably more than the statutory sick pay that many people have been faced with. I expect they were all getting paid while at the many Christmas gatherings and cheese and wine evenings too. Scumbags the lot of them.
As for Blair and the knighthood- have you seen / signed the petition for it to be revoked?
In reply to Post #1241
Theoretically you're right. But I don't think I witnessed a single household adhere to it
Theoretically you're right. But I don't think I witnessed a single household adhere to it
In reply to Post #1244
Think people trying to get it rolled back are pissing in the wind as it's the queen who gave it and not parliament. The queen could knock it back, wouldn't hold my breath on that one though.
Blair should be in the Hague on war crimes charges, vile scum of a man 🤬
Think people trying to get it rolled back are pissing in the wind as it's the queen who gave it and not parliament. The queen could knock it back, wouldn't hold my breath on that one though.
Blair should be in the Hague on war crimes charges, vile scum of a man 🤬
In reply to Post #1246
He's just the same as the rest of them - lying to further their own careers at the expense (no pun intended) of the people who voted for / not for them
He's just the same as the rest of them - lying to further their own careers at the expense (no pun intended) of the people who voted for / not for them
In reply to Post #1246
Exactly, the decision is sanctioned by the PM who is a tory, then ultimately the head of state, the queen. No amount of protesting will reverse the decision.
No matter what you might think about the bloke and the decision to go to war, which the majority of Tories also voted for, I doubt we have had a better PM in my opinion, life under the Blair administration was very very good.
Exactly, the decision is sanctioned by the PM who is a tory, then ultimately the head of state, the queen. No amount of protesting will reverse the decision.
No matter what you might think about the bloke and the decision to go to war, which the majority of Tories also voted for, I doubt we have had a better PM in my opinion, life under the Blair administration was very very good.
In reply to Post #1248
I'd say life appeared to be very good. But it does feel like it was like the country was living off a new credit card and it was those who followed him who had to arrange the repayments...
Sounds a bit familiar actually
He was the most tory like Labour pm in my opinion.
As for the war lies... that's a whole extra level of deceit
Agree about the futile nature of the petition - although maybe he'll see the weight of opinion and show some integrity and give the honour up....
....
Or maybe not
I'd say life appeared to be very good. But it does feel like it was like the country was living off a new credit card and it was those who followed him who had to arrange the repayments...
Sounds a bit familiar actually
He was the most tory like Labour pm in my opinion.
As for the war lies... that's a whole extra level of deceit
Agree about the futile nature of the petition - although maybe he'll see the weight of opinion and show some integrity and give the honour up....
....
Or maybe not
In reply to Post #1250
Didnt he also get the good friday agreement over the line? Which in itself is no mean feat
Didnt he also get the good friday agreement over the line? Which in itself is no mean feat
In reply to Post #1251
That's a fair point
He was probably hoping that it wouldn't get messed up a couple of governments later too....
That's a fair point
He was probably hoping that it wouldn't get messed up a couple of governments later too....
In reply to Post #1248
Your post literally gave me AIDS.
Your post literally gave me AIDS.
In reply to Post #1253
Which bit?
Which bit?
In reply to Post #1254
The messy brexit NI / Eire stuff, land borders, sea borders, public school boarders....
The messy brexit NI / Eire stuff, land borders, sea borders, public school boarders....
No more PCR tests?
Surely this will lead to more absence with people taking the Pi55. We all know how to fake em.
Surely this will lead to more absence with people taking the Pi55. We all know how to fake em.
In reply to Post #1253
Your post literally gave me AIDS.
That reminds me, there was quite a big community of HIV+ve folk in the US in the 90s who were banging on about how HIV wasn't so bad, how Big Pharma were cashing in on it and how it could be managed by diet and 'alternative medicine'. They're not quite so vocal nowadays, because they're all dead.
Good luck with the AIDS TC ... try aromatherapy
Your post literally gave me AIDS.
That reminds me, there was quite a big community of HIV+ve folk in the US in the 90s who were banging on about how HIV wasn't so bad, how Big Pharma were cashing in on it and how it could be managed by diet and 'alternative medicine'. They're not quite so vocal nowadays, because they're all dead.
Good luck with the AIDS TC ... try aromatherapy
In reply to Post #1247
And the worst thing about it all, you end up going for the ones that you think are best of a bad bunch; the actual state of that.
Quoted Terrance Mckenna before, I'll echo his words again, "the least among us".
And the worst thing about it all, you end up going for the ones that you think are best of a bad bunch; the actual state of that.
Quoted Terrance Mckenna before, I'll echo his words again, "the least among us".
In reply to Post #1248
This bit
"life under the Blair administration was very very good."
You're larping, right, RIGHT? if you're being serious, so, being one half responsible for the death of 1.5 million Iraq's the last time I looked, secret court hearings away from the public gaze, PFI contracts on turbo power, turbo powered multi culturallism, practically an open border policy, removal of regulations that enabled in part the crash of 2008 by the big banks etc. You want me to go on?
Blair was and always will remain an utter, utter disaster in respect to this country. He's a war criminal that smashed the Middle East to pieces and spawned suicide bombers like those of 7/7 and all the others that have came since. But hey, don't let those misty eyes get in the way of reality, ami right m8?
This bit
"life under the Blair administration was very very good."
You're larping, right, RIGHT? if you're being serious, so, being one half responsible for the death of 1.5 million Iraq's the last time I looked, secret court hearings away from the public gaze, PFI contracts on turbo power, turbo powered multi culturallism, practically an open border policy, removal of regulations that enabled in part the crash of 2008 by the big banks etc. You want me to go on?
Blair was and always will remain an utter, utter disaster in respect to this country. He's a war criminal that smashed the Middle East to pieces and spawned suicide bombers like those of 7/7 and all the others that have came since. But hey, don't let those misty eyes get in the way of reality, ami right m8?
In reply to Post #1258
Not me. Never voted for Blair nor Johnson (nor corbyn either before you start with your 'leftist' crap)
My voting conscience is OK thankyou
Not me. Never voted for Blair nor Johnson (nor corbyn either before you start with your 'leftist' crap)
My voting conscience is OK thankyou
In reply to Post #1260
Just voted the once, for this lot. Knew I was being a mug, just couldn't let the Labour loons get in. As bad as this lot are, and yeah, they're bad, actually a s4itshow bad, Diane Abbott as foreign secretary? My god
I'm under no illusions that they're all essentially the same, just different colours of the same s4it rainbow uni-party inc.
Just voted the once, for this lot. Knew I was being a mug, just couldn't let the Labour loons get in. As bad as this lot are, and yeah, they're bad, actually a s4itshow bad, Diane Abbott as foreign secretary? My god
I'm under no illusions that they're all essentially the same, just different colours of the same s4it rainbow uni-party inc.
In reply to Post #1259
I'm not on about the war in Iraq though, I'm on about being a British citizen, it was a great time to be alive, we all know it.
I'm not on about the war in Iraq though, I'm on about being a British citizen, it was a great time to be alive, we all know it.
In reply to Post #1262
Was 7/7 good times?
Was 7/7 good times?
In reply to Post #1263
I'd say it was a bad day for anyone caught up in it, but still late 90's early noughties was a great time to be alive, its undeniable.
I'd say it was a bad day for anyone caught up in it, but still late 90's early noughties was a great time to be alive, its undeniable.
In reply to Post #1257
It depends largely what was going on for you at the time I'd say.
The late 80's were best times I've so far experienced, and to a larger extent for the wider community. Unfortunately, what those good times were built on was a foundation of lies and deceit, the deregulation of financial markets which was fostered by Milton Friedman and exported over here and elsewhere from Merica. It all looked wonderful on paper, champagne corks popping left, right and centre, only a few years later, poof and as if by magik, castles made of sand, it came a crumbling down, rinse and repeat.
All of this is why I'd say they're (governments) are all the same. Nothing gets fixed, words get waffled, papers shuffled, same old, same old unfortunately. Tiresome, muchly.
It depends largely what was going on for you at the time I'd say.
The late 80's were best times I've so far experienced, and to a larger extent for the wider community. Unfortunately, what those good times were built on was a foundation of lies and deceit, the deregulation of financial markets which was fostered by Milton Friedman and exported over here and elsewhere from Merica. It all looked wonderful on paper, champagne corks popping left, right and centre, only a few years later, poof and as if by magik, castles made of sand, it came a crumbling down, rinse and repeat.
All of this is why I'd say they're (governments) are all the same. Nothing gets fixed, words get waffled, papers shuffled, same old, same old unfortunately. Tiresome, muchly.
Broken system........needs reloading me thinks.......where have I heard that before......
In reply to Post #1259
May 2017 Manchester Arena. Libyan spawned terrorists that time TC, murdering mostly children. Wonder who led us into that part of the world to drop bomb's on certain people in that country. Spawning hatred. Mr Shiny Head himself Cameron.
Don't be so naive to think Blair is the first or last PM to send our forces to war around the world on half truths or in the "national interest" There's a very very long tradition of it.
May 2017 Manchester Arena. Libyan spawned terrorists that time TC, murdering mostly children. Wonder who led us into that part of the world to drop bomb's on certain people in that country. Spawning hatred. Mr Shiny Head himself Cameron.
Don't be so naive to think Blair is the first or last PM to send our forces to war around the world on half truths or in the "national interest" There's a very very long tradition of it.
In reply to Post #1267
True
And also bloody disgraceful
I think with Blair it's the blatant lie that was found out so very quickly. And the subsequent lack of either remorse or consequence
Nowadays that kind of behaviour gets you a guaranteed place in the cabinet of course...
True
And also bloody disgraceful
I think with Blair it's the blatant lie that was found out so very quickly. And the subsequent lack of either remorse or consequence
Nowadays that kind of behaviour gets you a guaranteed place in the cabinet of course...
Meanwhile in sunny south London ... fancy telling him and his pals it's mandatory jabs, masks and lockdowns lol
In reply to Post #1269
He's got his mask on noj. And it seems he's trying to keep a 2m distance too.
Any truth in the rumours that he could be heard shouting 'I worked all through lockdown... ****in furloughed ****s.. '
He's got his mask on noj. And it seems he's trying to keep a 2m distance too.
Any truth in the rumours that he could be heard shouting 'I worked all through lockdown... ****in furloughed ****s.. '
In reply to Post #1270
😂
😂
In reply to Post #1270
Being 10 minutes down the road and knowing that area, I highly doubt this gentleman is in employment or aware of what furlough is. But I bet he did say the word ****
Odds on he doesn't have a vaccine either, unless he got one in jail
Being 10 minutes down the road and knowing that area, I highly doubt this gentleman is in employment or aware of what furlough is. But I bet he did say the word ****
Odds on he doesn't have a vaccine either, unless he got one in jail
In reply to Post #1230
Anyone for tennis ? Australian Open - Novak Djokovics visa canceled
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59889522
Anyone for tennis ? Australian Open - Novak Djokovics visa canceled
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59889522
In reply to Post #1273
Had to do it really but thats because of there stance with vaccine mandates.........a loss to tennis though!
Macron got his law through "to piss off" the unvaccinated........He must be well proud although im sure it will backfire on him at some point.........
Had to do it really but thats because of there stance with vaccine mandates.........a loss to tennis though!
Macron got his law through "to piss off" the unvaccinated........He must be well proud although im sure it will backfire on him at some point.........
In reply to Post #1274
I think macron is playing clever politics
Got an election coming up. 90 per cent of the population are vaccinated, 10 per cent not. Who would you want on side in a vote?
As for novax djokovic, he held a tournament where loads of people came away with covid didn't he? He knows the rules for Australia so if he hasn't met the requirements then it's his loss, not tennis'
I think macron is playing clever politics
Got an election coming up. 90 per cent of the population are vaccinated, 10 per cent not. Who would you want on side in a vote?
As for novax djokovic, he held a tournament where loads of people came away with covid didn't he? He knows the rules for Australia so if he hasn't met the requirements then it's his loss, not tennis'
In reply to Post #1274
He literally doesn't give a f##k 😂
He literally doesn't give a f##k 😂
In reply to Post #1274
Be nice to see someone else win it maybe a brit 🏴
Well in Italy all over 50s have to be vaccinated - just been announced.
Be nice to see someone else win it maybe a brit 🏴
Well in Italy all over 50s have to be vaccinated - just been announced.
In reply to Post #1272
He's got his mask on for a reason. look behind the incident at the dumped moped I would put money on it being involved as he had to get to the vaccine centre for his appointment.
He's got his mask on for a reason. look behind the incident at the dumped moped I would put money on it being involved as he had to get to the vaccine centre for his appointment.
In reply to Post #1278
If he ends up in prison may end up getting another type of jab forced upon him.....
Hindsight eh 😂
If he ends up in prison may end up getting another type of jab forced upon him.....
Hindsight eh 😂
In reply to Post #1275
Oh definitely Mal........macron and his teacher are playing a very good game..........I think a lot of leaders will use this tactic if they can......like Canada, Australia, Italy, Germany, US and countless others.......with the help of the onside rags feeding the masses, twisted truths about vaxxed / unvaxxed and their on to a winner.......
Oh definitely Mal........macron and his teacher are playing a very good game..........I think a lot of leaders will use this tactic if they can......like Canada, Australia, Italy, Germany, US and countless others.......with the help of the onside rags feeding the masses, twisted truths about vaxxed / unvaxxed and their on to a winner.......
In reply to Post #1280
It's definitely forced his right wing opponents to show their hand in opposition
Ironically it's a very right wing tactic- trying to create and then appeal to a mass sense of injustice brought on by minorities ...
It's definitely forced his right wing opponents to show their hand in opposition
Ironically it's a very right wing tactic- trying to create and then appeal to a mass sense of injustice brought on by minorities ...
Imagine this thread if Boris done that 😂
In reply to Post #1282
Yeah - all those staunch anti vaxxers who voted for him might just implode...
Yeah - all those staunch anti vaxxers who voted for him might just implode...
In reply to Post #1282
Might happen yet.....
Might happen yet.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-59896688
Ooh look...
Ooh look...
In reply to Post #1285
But, but no, Mal no, can't be fake, I saw it on Facebook it must be true
Some one posted the link on here, and all my any vaxxer mates sent it to me all excitedly last week only to all “sheepishly”, excuse the pun, back down once it was proved as a bloke on a wind up taking the piss
But, but no, Mal no, can't be fake, I saw it on Facebook it must be true
Some one posted the link on here, and all my any vaxxer mates sent it to me all excitedly last week only to all “sheepishly”, excuse the pun, back down once it was proved as a bloke on a wind up taking the piss
In reply to Post #1281
Ironically it's a very left wing tactic- trying to create and then appeal to a mass sense of injustice brought on by a white majority...that of injustice that never existed in the first place.
Funny how that works, huh?
Ironically it's a very left wing tactic- trying to create and then appeal to a mass sense of injustice brought on by a white majority...that of injustice that never existed in the first place.
Funny how that works, huh?
In reply to Post #1287
Wonder if he'll end up like this guy
https://www.inquisitr.com/1130959/suicide-by-nail-gun-ceos-body-found-in-garage/
Wonder if he'll end up like this guy
https://www.inquisitr.com/1130959/suicide-by-nail-gun-ceos-body-found-in-garage/
In reply to Post #1287
There's a video of the conversation between the doctor and javid on sky. I tried to put a link up but it didn't work. Have a look it's quite interesting 👍
There's a video of the conversation between the doctor and javid on sky. I tried to put a link up but it didn't work. Have a look it's quite interesting 👍
So a friend who has had 1 jab rocks up to his local jab centre yesterday......
“Hi, I have come for my second jab”.........”sorry we're only doing boosters here”.......”what's the difference”........”sorry but we are only doing boosters, you will need to go to another vaccination centre”
What the hell is that all about.......
“Hi, I have come for my second jab”.........”sorry we're only doing boosters here”.......”what's the difference”........”sorry but we are only doing boosters, you will need to go to another vaccination centre”
What the hell is that all about.......
In reply to Post #1291
They did that to me,I had to go all the way to Chester.The vaccine centre was an old bookies,they had 3 tiny booths doing first jabs,second jabs,boosters and flu jabs.They were not impressed at all that I had been sent to them.
They did that to me,I had to go all the way to Chester.The vaccine centre was an old bookies,they had 3 tiny booths doing first jabs,second jabs,boosters and flu jabs.They were not impressed at all that I had been sent to them.
In reply to Post #1292
Vaccine is a vaccine surely........not like there is much choice? My mate is now not getting another jab......
Vaccine is a vaccine surely........not like there is much choice? My mate is now not getting another jab......
In reply to Post #1293
I'm not getting the booster,after seeing how ill my wife was with hers
I'm not getting the booster,after seeing how ill my wife was with hers
In reply to Post #1294
Don't blame you......
It's funny, lots of scientists etc saying no need for more vaccines but you currently need a 3rd for Omi but CEOs of vaccine companies saying you will need a 4th jab......
Don't blame you......
It's funny, lots of scientists etc saying no need for more vaccines but you currently need a 3rd for Omi but CEOs of vaccine companies saying you will need a 4th jab......
In reply to Post #1291
That's about checking on the website to see what vaccines are available before going.
Has your mate ever asked for a Whopper in a McDonalds?
That's about checking on the website to see what vaccines are available before going.
Has your mate ever asked for a Whopper in a McDonalds?
In reply to Post #1290
That doctor runs a breathlessness clinic charging £500 an hour. But it is only Big Pharma that is in it for the money, right?
That doctor runs a breathlessness clinic charging £500 an hour. But it is only Big Pharma that is in it for the money, right?
Me and my family are currently suffering from covid. Quite ill to be honest. I was talking to the old girl this morning and saying about how odd I feel at times. Dizzy, headache, bouts of sickness but nothing coming out and I had a night where my rear end resembled a flock of seagulls 🤣. Thought I was ok yesterday but woke up this morning feeling odd again. My old girl had a chesty cough and weakness and the kids have headaches and coughs. It's a strange virus. Night time is the worse without doubt. Evening weakness and constant cold sweats throughout the night but somehow red hot 🤷♂️
In reply to Post #1297
Mate, when I first went private about my back issues nearly 20 years ago I paid £240 for a 20 min consultation. With that in mind, £500 an hour seems cheap 🤣
Mate, when I first went private about my back issues nearly 20 years ago I paid £240 for a 20 min consultation. With that in mind, £500 an hour seems cheap 🤣
In reply to Post #1296
So you can't mix and match? He didn't mention what his first vaccine was to them.......simply told we're only doing boosters!
Similar to how I was public........it's definitely over rated.......
So you can't mix and match? He didn't mention what his first vaccine was to them.......simply told we're only doing boosters!
Similar to how I was public........it's definitely over rated.......
In reply to Post #1300
I think the booster is just Pfizer (no doubt i'll be corrected if this isn't the case), if the fella had the AZ for his first jab then he'd need a second AZ jab, possible that his is why they could not do his second at the booster jab site, they may have not had any AZ in the fridge.
As Boris said, 90% of the patients in ICU had not had their booster jab so you'd be wise to get the booster..
I think the booster is just Pfizer (no doubt i'll be corrected if this isn't the case), if the fella had the AZ for his first jab then he'd need a second AZ jab, possible that his is why they could not do his second at the booster jab site, they may have not had any AZ in the fridge.
As Boris said, 90% of the patients in ICU had not had their booster jab so you'd be wise to get the booster..
In reply to Post #1297
I did not mention anything to do with big pharma making money in my post or care about any conspiracy theory so don't get where that has come from.. I was only saying watch the actual video rather than something printed as it was quite a good watch.
Now if you want to know my view on whether people should get a vaccine or not then its quite simple its there body so there choice what they do with it and they can choose to risk it either way with the small percentage of side effects of the vaccine or with covid but I will say the government need to start promoting a healthy lifestyle rather than continously having to rely on getting jabbed as it can't go on forever
I did not mention anything to do with big pharma making money in my post or care about any conspiracy theory so don't get where that has come from.. I was only saying watch the actual video rather than something printed as it was quite a good watch.
Now if you want to know my view on whether people should get a vaccine or not then its quite simple its there body so there choice what they do with it and they can choose to risk it either way with the small percentage of side effects of the vaccine or with covid but I will say the government need to start promoting a healthy lifestyle rather than continously having to rely on getting jabbed as it can't go on forever
In reply to Post #1288
As usual..
Utter pish
https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2022/jan/07/white-debt-by-thomas-harding-review-the-history-they-didnt-want-you-to-know
Bit of reading if you care to educate yourself. Obviously there's a lot more, but this could be a start for you..
As usual..
Utter pish
https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2022/jan/07/white-debt-by-thomas-harding-review-the-history-they-didnt-want-you-to-know
Bit of reading if you care to educate yourself. Obviously there's a lot more, but this could be a start for you..
In reply to Post #1302
Dp
Dp
In reply to Post #1302
I agree that healthy lifestyles would help in a lot of ways and it is one of the steps that could help mitigate the pressure caused by this virus and other illnesses but won't work in isolation.
If a healthy lifestyle was promoted in similar ways to the vaccine would you be happy? Show your 5-a-day pass to get in the cinema? You can't go on holiday unless you've done 10,000 steps a day this month?
If we need to have regular doses of the vaccine that in itself is not unusual in the world of vaccines.
I agree that healthy lifestyles would help in a lot of ways and it is one of the steps that could help mitigate the pressure caused by this virus and other illnesses but won't work in isolation.
If a healthy lifestyle was promoted in similar ways to the vaccine would you be happy? Show your 5-a-day pass to get in the cinema? You can't go on holiday unless you've done 10,000 steps a day this month?
If we need to have regular doses of the vaccine that in itself is not unusual in the world of vaccines.
In reply to Post #1302
Being healthy probably doesnt cut if you're either old, or vulnerable
Being healthy probably doesnt cut if you're either old, or vulnerable
No vak arguing he has Covid so should be allowed entry........Australia authorities now in a ****ter because they want / need him in the AO but have enforced strict conditions on Aussies and border controls......
In reply to Post #1307
To be fair if hes tried to lie about the reasons for entry, then the Aussies can still bomb him off
To be fair if hes tried to lie about the reasons for entry, then the Aussies can still bomb him off
So the link I posted directly quoting an intensive care doctor saying his patients have been largely (pun intended) ‘extremely overweight' and with underlying health issues; we're accepting vague statistics over this man's personal account of the frontline?
Had the evidence been that convincing, why would a highly educated person treating the sickest patients not get vaccinated immediately?
I've personally heard this from doctors I know, one of them is unvaccinated.. should I assume he's a loon and get jabbed like the other 2, who really just did it because even private hospitals will require it and they want that 💵
Had the evidence been that convincing, why would a highly educated person treating the sickest patients not get vaccinated immediately?
I've personally heard this from doctors I know, one of them is unvaccinated.. should I assume he's a loon and get jabbed like the other 2, who really just did it because even private hospitals will require it and they want that 💵
In reply to Post #1305
Yeah I do believe having a healthy diet and keeping yourself fit will help keep you out of hospital and know this from my step mothers experience of working in a covid unit during the whole of this pandemic that mostly people over weight and with low vitamin d levels end up in icu for all ages and thats for vaxxed and none vaxxed so by taking these 2 things out of the equation then that will not only help yourself to combat this virus but also keep the stress off the NHS. Then you have people who are old or have underlying health conditions in hospital that I believe that vaccines do serve to protect them but I don't believe by continuing to jab every one is the way out of this pandemic and more needs to be done as a whole.
And I don't believe there should be any pass to get entry to anything to prove that you've had a vaccine due to you can still catch and pass on this virus if you've had a jab but don't have to a test to prove you have the virus but someone who is unvaxed does have to prove they don't have the virus to gain entry so in my mind that makes no sense
Yeah I do believe having a healthy diet and keeping yourself fit will help keep you out of hospital and know this from my step mothers experience of working in a covid unit during the whole of this pandemic that mostly people over weight and with low vitamin d levels end up in icu for all ages and thats for vaxxed and none vaxxed so by taking these 2 things out of the equation then that will not only help yourself to combat this virus but also keep the stress off the NHS. Then you have people who are old or have underlying health conditions in hospital that I believe that vaccines do serve to protect them but I don't believe by continuing to jab every one is the way out of this pandemic and more needs to be done as a whole.
And I don't believe there should be any pass to get entry to anything to prove that you've had a vaccine due to you can still catch and pass on this virus if you've had a jab but don't have to a test to prove you have the virus but someone who is unvaxed does have to prove they don't have the virus to gain entry so in my mind that makes no sense
In reply to Post #1307
Given the public response, particularly in Melbourne,
I think they've realised that him playing would be a massive own goal...
I can do without the whole 'he's being kept prisoner' bull too. He's being put up in a nice hotel ffs
Given the public response, particularly in Melbourne,
I think they've realised that him playing would be a massive own goal...
I can do without the whole 'he's being kept prisoner' bull too. He's being put up in a nice hotel ffs
In reply to Post #1306
I personally believe if your old or vulnerable then you should take the vaccine !as this will help them but I don't believe everyone should have it and to keep jabbing everyone for ever is not the way forward and more needs to be done about a healthy lifestyle
I personally believe if your old or vulnerable then you should take the vaccine !as this will help them but I don't believe everyone should have it and to keep jabbing everyone for ever is not the way forward and more needs to be done about a healthy lifestyle
In reply to Post #1303
Yeah yeah, white man bad, ami right m8? So, riddle me this, if this country has always been so bad for le immigrants and muh institutional raysis this and raysis that, how comes the record numbers?
Serious question, why not make your own eutopia from whence you came? Anyways, Thomas Sowell clubs that muh raysis Piñata muchly. The leftoid droid fears Thomas Sowell. Seethe and cope
Yeah yeah, white man bad, ami right m8? So, riddle me this, if this country has always been so bad for le immigrants and muh institutional raysis this and raysis that, how comes the record numbers?
Serious question, why not make your own eutopia from whence you came? Anyways, Thomas Sowell clubs that muh raysis Piñata muchly. The leftoid droid fears Thomas Sowell. Seethe and cope
In reply to Post #1313
Clearly it was a stretch to expect you to read some uncomfortable truths
I should've started you off with basic spelling and grammar
Then maybe move you on to 'not being a ****'
Clearly it was a stretch to expect you to read some uncomfortable truths
I should've started you off with basic spelling and grammar
Then maybe move you on to 'not being a ****'
In reply to Post #1314
Jesus, hug an immigrant, genuflect, raise a first if it makes you feel better about yourself, see if I care.
Funny thing is, all the midwitt types, they like to cling on to a synthetic faked mythology of what they claim to support, ignore certain uncomfortable truths that undermine their mangled thought processes, scream at others coz they don't share their insanity, force their insanity onto others wether they like it or not...feels good...but will not live in the crazy that they've crafted and let loose. They won't even eat their own turd burgers. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Agents of Kaos to a man.
Jesus, hug an immigrant, genuflect, raise a first if it makes you feel better about yourself, see if I care.
Funny thing is, all the midwitt types, they like to cling on to a synthetic faked mythology of what they claim to support, ignore certain uncomfortable truths that undermine their mangled thought processes, scream at others coz they don't share their insanity, force their insanity onto others wether they like it or not...feels good...but will not live in the crazy that they've crafted and let loose. They won't even eat their own turd burgers. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Agents of Kaos to a man.
In reply to Post #1310
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10379715/Heartbreaking-text-sent-healthy-father-three-45-died-Covid-refusing-vaccine.html
Sorry can't work out links.
A friend of my brother. Being fit and healthy will help keeping you out of hospital. But it WILL NOT guarantee it unfortunately. He'd previously had COVID
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10379715/Heartbreaking-text-sent-healthy-father-three-45-died-Covid-refusing-vaccine.html
Sorry can't work out links.
A friend of my brother. Being fit and healthy will help keeping you out of hospital. But it WILL NOT guarantee it unfortunately. He'd previously had COVID
In reply to Post #1316
Sorry to hear of your brothers friend's passing and is a real shame when someone passes before there time.
As I was saying mostly people who are over weight or with low level vitamin d levels, old people or people with underlying health issues end up in hospital but there is still a risk of people that are healthy will end up in icu or unfortunately lose there lives but that is extremely rare.
Once again sorry to hear of your brothers friends passing
Sorry to hear of your brothers friend's passing and is a real shame when someone passes before there time.
As I was saying mostly people who are over weight or with low level vitamin d levels, old people or people with underlying health issues end up in hospital but there is still a risk of people that are healthy will end up in icu or unfortunately lose there lives but that is extremely rare.
Once again sorry to hear of your brothers friends passing
In reply to Post #1309
Well let's remember in that hospital 90% are vaccinated if the numbers were 50:50 then then there would be something to argue
More than 63% of the uk adult population are classed as overweight and probably that's a large proportion of the middle aged posters on here 😀
Fully vaccinated in the uk is nearly 70% so it kind of adds up
Well let's remember in that hospital 90% are vaccinated if the numbers were 50:50 then then there would be something to argue
More than 63% of the uk adult population are classed as overweight and probably that's a large proportion of the middle aged posters on here 😀
Fully vaccinated in the uk is nearly 70% so it kind of adds up
In reply to Post #1318
Yes I've read all the statistics. That's not the point.
You can't present statistics to this man in response to what his own eyes have seen. I'm sure it's been horrible to witness, but in times of no covid intensive care doctors weren't putting plasters on boo boos and tapping knees for reflexes. Who better to make an informed decision on vaccination.... Boris 🤷🏻♂️
The vaccine risk assessments for children and younger adults took some time to conclude. So what about if we use the same parameters and measure them against a 70% odd less deadly variant?
Yes I've read all the statistics. That's not the point.
You can't present statistics to this man in response to what his own eyes have seen. I'm sure it's been horrible to witness, but in times of no covid intensive care doctors weren't putting plasters on boo boos and tapping knees for reflexes. Who better to make an informed decision on vaccination.... Boris 🤷🏻♂️
The vaccine risk assessments for children and younger adults took some time to conclude. So what about if we use the same parameters and measure them against a 70% odd less deadly variant?
In reply to Post #1318
https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5
Some percentage stuff
Feels a bit more objective than Boris
https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5
Some percentage stuff
Feels a bit more objective than Boris
In reply to Post #1320
Yes mate. I've read the percentages. Those are percentages of a week where an average of less than one person per hospital in the country was hospitalised. Of those 25% were unvaccinated and 23% had had a booster with the rest falling in between. I know more people make up the vaccinated/boosted group but I bet my left conker these people were predominantly porky or of advancing years.
It's the ‘official' figures which make me more hesitant the more I see them, not honest Bob from the pub
Yes mate. I've read the percentages. Those are percentages of a week where an average of less than one person per hospital in the country was hospitalised. Of those 25% were unvaccinated and 23% had had a booster with the rest falling in between. I know more people make up the vaccinated/boosted group but I bet my left conker these people were predominantly porky or of advancing years.
It's the ‘official' figures which make me more hesitant the more I see them, not honest Bob from the pub
In reply to Post #1317
Of course being fit and healthy is a great thing and will undoubtedly help with many health issues mate. Alongside this preventable death because of misinformation, over Xmas I lost a dear friend of 35 years who was 54 to a stroke. A colleague I worked with 26 with a young child to suicide. ALL were preventable in my view but only one was a result of social media dickheads and ultimately led to his passing. You know who you are unfortunately.
Of course being fit and healthy is a great thing and will undoubtedly help with many health issues mate. Alongside this preventable death because of misinformation, over Xmas I lost a dear friend of 35 years who was 54 to a stroke. A colleague I worked with 26 with a young child to suicide. ALL were preventable in my view but only one was a result of social media dickheads and ultimately led to his passing. You know who you are unfortunately.
In reply to Post #1321
Predominantly porky...
Life goals eh?
Predominantly porky...
Life goals eh?
In reply to Post #1301
Wrong,there is Moderna too.This is what made my wife ill
Wrong,there is Moderna too.This is what made my wife ill
In reply to Post #1324
I had Moderna as the booster, other half, relations and lots of works colleagues. Pfizer is just being given to the under 40s.
I was not quite myself for a couple of days after it, a work colleague was really rough with it for a few days and was pretty much laid up for the week.
Astra for the first 2 jabs I don't know anyone who suffered any side effects.
I had Moderna as the booster, other half, relations and lots of works colleagues. Pfizer is just being given to the under 40s.
I was not quite myself for a couple of days after it, a work colleague was really rough with it for a few days and was pretty much laid up for the week.
Astra for the first 2 jabs I don't know anyone who suffered any side effects.
Whilst I agree being fit and healthy can only be a good thing, if you look at the European coronavirus figures, Spain and Italy are among the highest, which incidentally they are also the highest on how healthy a population they are
In reply to Post #1322
I'm sorry for your loses recently but to imply that I'm a social media dickhead due to having a different view to you is completely wrong and i usually keep well away from threads like this cos it always brings out the idiot in people and your a prime example of that
I'm sorry for your loses recently but to imply that I'm a social media dickhead due to having a different view to you is completely wrong and i usually keep well away from threads like this cos it always brings out the idiot in people and your a prime example of that
In reply to Post #1327
Thanks
I never implied you were a dickhead mate, read the post without bias. Clearly it's a comment for the anti vaccination justification rubber heads. If that's you then wear the cap, it'll fit
Don't really understand why you put yourself in that category if I'm honest. You're better off staying out of the section as you say
Thanks
I never implied you were a dickhead mate, read the post without bias. Clearly it's a comment for the anti vaccination justification rubber heads. If that's you then wear the cap, it'll fit
Don't really understand why you put yourself in that category if I'm honest. You're better off staying out of the section as you say
In reply to Post #1328
Alright mate complete miss understanding and was only the comment at the end which throw me as I thought u was implying I was a anti vax tin hat wearing nutter which is far from the truth lol but after rereading your post i can see i completely miss read what you was saying
Any way thanks for the pm and I sent you a response 👍
Alright mate complete miss understanding and was only the comment at the end which throw me as I thought u was implying I was a anti vax tin hat wearing nutter which is far from the truth lol but after rereading your post i can see i completely miss read what you was saying
Any way thanks for the pm and I sent you a response 👍
In reply to Post #1329
🤝Tight lines
🤝Tight lines
So it seems that novax jokeavitch was at a public event, unmasked and not social distancing, the day after he supposedly tested positive for covid. ....
Selfish as well as entitled / arrogant
They should deport him to Serbia straight away
Selfish as well as entitled / arrogant
They should deport him to Serbia straight away
In reply to Post #1331
I was reading about that, the bloke is so full of sh!t, hope the Aussies see through it, and send him back
I was reading about that, the bloke is so full of sh!t, hope the Aussies see through it, and send him back
In reply to Post #1331
No mask that reduces aerosols by 30%.......so pointless in essence, no social distancing from someone vaccinated.......lock him up......
No mask that reduces aerosols by 30%.......so pointless in essence, no social distancing from someone vaccinated.......lock him up......
In reply to Post #1333
Why haven't the Aussie government just shot him already and be done with it all, I mean, it's not like he doesn't deserve a round to the noggin, he's not vaxxed, the literal antichrist that he is?
Why haven't the Aussie government just shot him already and be done with it all, I mean, it's not like he doesn't deserve a round to the noggin, he's not vaxxed, the literal antichrist that he is?
In reply to Post #1333
He's not vaccinated
So he's got covid and is knowingly out at public events taking no precautions for others safety.
If he's your poster boy then no wonder there's increased dismissal of the anti vaxx brigade
Utterly selfish
He's not vaccinated
So he's got covid and is knowingly out at public events taking no precautions for others safety.
If he's your poster boy then no wonder there's increased dismissal of the anti vaxx brigade
Utterly selfish
In reply to Post #1335
Great tennis player..
Complete ****
Great tennis player..
Complete ****
In reply to Post #1336
Yep
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12387086
I mean there's stupid, and then there's really stupid...
Yep
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12387086
I mean there's stupid, and then there's really stupid...
Others safety........everyone is vaccinated Mal.......or is that not enough........
In reply to Post #1338
No Wayne
Not when the world has its share of selfish ****s...
Get your wife to explain percentages to you - it will help with your lack of understanding of the vaccine
No Wayne
Not when the world has its share of selfish ****s...
Get your wife to explain percentages to you - it will help with your lack of understanding of the vaccine
In reply to Post #1339
So Mal......what's enough??
Or do we keep banging the same old drum whilst kicking the can down the road.......it's time to class this an endemic.......zero restrictions and back to normal IMO........although I am back to normal......
So Mal......what's enough??
Or do we keep banging the same old drum whilst kicking the can down the road.......it's time to class this an endemic.......zero restrictions and back to normal IMO........although I am back to normal......
In reply to Post #1337
Great tennis player but sadly that's it.
I'm important and screw everyone else. Where's Mick Dundee when you need him 🐊
Nadal made the statement ‘ if you are vaccinated you can play'
Be good to see a Federer v Nadal final 👍
Great tennis player but sadly that's it.
I'm important and screw everyone else. Where's Mick Dundee when you need him 🐊
Nadal made the statement ‘ if you are vaccinated you can play'
Be good to see a Federer v Nadal final 👍
In reply to Post #1340
Until the next time you catch it eh...?
Interesting point about the big selfish entitled tennis brat...
The hotel he's in also houses 32 actual detainees, some of whom have been there in appalling conditions for years without any charges brought against them. Something that the Australian government actually should be brought to task on.
Who knows .... maybe novak will use some of his millions and his expensive legal team to take up the fight for the real 'prisoners ' in the place.
Or maybe he'll just continue to only give a toss about himself
Until the next time you catch it eh...?
Interesting point about the big selfish entitled tennis brat...
The hotel he's in also houses 32 actual detainees, some of whom have been there in appalling conditions for years without any charges brought against them. Something that the Australian government actually should be brought to task on.
Who knows .... maybe novak will use some of his millions and his expensive legal team to take up the fight for the real 'prisoners ' in the place.
Or maybe he'll just continue to only give a toss about himself
In reply to Post #1342
Yeah.......I'm sure my body will remember it well and do what's it's designed to do......
The Blokes not selfish........since CV arrived so many like yourself think people should think of everyone else.......how's about thinking about yourself and your own health!
Yeah.......I'm sure my body will remember it well and do what's it's designed to do......
The Blokes not selfish........since CV arrived so many like yourself think people should think of everyone else.......how's about thinking about yourself and your own health!
In reply to Post #1343
You pretty much defined selfish there....
And it's not since cv arrived that I've thought people should look out for others. But you know that because we've read each others posts on various things for a long time now.
He is selfish. Or inconsiderate if you prefer. Look at the footage of him face to face with people on the day after he tested positive breathing into their faces. If you're condoning that then there's a problem
As for your body and remembering... you'll be back in a and e without your mask because you're not well right?
You pretty much defined selfish there....
And it's not since cv arrived that I've thought people should look out for others. But you know that because we've read each others posts on various things for a long time now.
He is selfish. Or inconsiderate if you prefer. Look at the footage of him face to face with people on the day after he tested positive breathing into their faces. If you're condoning that then there's a problem
As for your body and remembering... you'll be back in a and e without your mask because you're not well right?
In reply to Post #1344
I have ditched the mask for good, pointless bloody things!
People never gave a **** about me when I was homeless as a 16yr old kid, walking past me like a stain on society, yet those same people want me to give a **** about them.......don't think so!
I think of my family and my family alone, that's not selfish or whatever you want to call it........
The elderly in my family are all vaxxed, not a lot else we can do so now so we simply get on with our lives, .......
Face to face with kids Mal......you do know their all fine don't you.......
I have ditched the mask for good, pointless bloody things!
People never gave a **** about me when I was homeless as a 16yr old kid, walking past me like a stain on society, yet those same people want me to give a **** about them.......don't think so!
I think of my family and my family alone, that's not selfish or whatever you want to call it........
The elderly in my family are all vaxxed, not a lot else we can do so now so we simply get on with our lives, .......
Face to face with kids Mal......you do know their all fine don't you.......
In reply to Post #1343
You do realise you can die from the flu, even though you've had it before?
You do realise you can die from the flu, even though you've had it before?
In reply to Post #1346
Of course, you do realise it's extremely rare don't you........
Novak should be allowed in the country to play tennis......2 years down the road and countries with these kind of silly rules in place.......
Of course, you do realise it's extremely rare don't you........
Novak should be allowed in the country to play tennis......2 years down the road and countries with these kind of silly rules in place.......
In reply to Post #1347
Around 25000 people die of it a year in the uk, and its believed that a person will catch flu roughly every 5 years, so the chances are those that died probably have caught flu circa of 10 times in their lives. So probably alot more common than you think.
In regards to Novak, if he wants to play silly games, he can win silly prizes
Around 25000 people die of it a year in the uk, and its believed that a person will catch flu roughly every 5 years, so the chances are those that died probably have caught flu circa of 10 times in their lives. So probably alot more common than you think.
In regards to Novak, if he wants to play silly games, he can win silly prizes
In reply to Post #1342
The Serb can and is free to go home at anytime Mal. But he won't, sits there whinging. Man up and FRO if you don't like it you have a choice.
The Serb can and is free to go home at anytime Mal. But he won't, sits there whinging. Man up and FRO if you don't like it you have a choice.
In reply to Post #1348
Your point is?
Novak is testing the water.......I hope he wins his case!
Andy, Let's see if the play silly games, win silly prizes applies to the NHS and rabid Jabbit come April........hopefully no one needs urgent care around the country but can't get it because of their stupid no vax no jab policy!
Your point is?
Novak is testing the water.......I hope he wins his case!
Andy, Let's see if the play silly games, win silly prizes applies to the NHS and rabid Jabbit come April........hopefully no one needs urgent care around the country but can't get it because of their stupid no vax no jab policy!
In reply to Post #1350
Seeing as you are a self confessed travel nowhere do nothing why are you arsed?
Seeing as you are a self confessed travel nowhere do nothing why are you arsed?
In reply to Post #1349
Yep
It's all about giving people choice. He can choose to do what's needed to play. Or he can choose not to. Unlike the other people mentioned in that place, he has choices
I prefer Federer anyway
Yep
It's all about giving people choice. He can choose to do what's needed to play. Or he can choose not to. Unlike the other people mentioned in that place, he has choices
I prefer Federer anyway
So looks like free testing will be scrapped........great move towards an endemic
In reply to Post #1346
>Acktually
No s4it big brain. Imagine being this moralistic to post this kinda junk. Save it for Twitter or FaceFugg.
>Acktually
No s4it big brain. Imagine being this moralistic to post this kinda junk. Save it for Twitter or FaceFugg.
In reply to Post #1353
Free testing won't be scrapped. When Omicron became dominant in the news, combined with people wanting to meet family at Christmas, we had a tidal wave of testing. The media hysteria didn't help, but people were genuinely testing too much. This is the Govts way of trying to reset the balance.
Free testing won't be scrapped. When Omicron became dominant in the news, combined with people wanting to meet family at Christmas, we had a tidal wave of testing. The media hysteria didn't help, but people were genuinely testing too much. This is the Govts way of trying to reset the balance.
B me
Never tested once... Like a pro 😁
In the distance, it's as if i just heard a billion NPC's cry out in pain at once
Never tested once... Like a pro 😁
In the distance, it's as if i just heard a billion NPC's cry out in pain at once
In reply to Post #1356
Don't think anyone gives a toss about your stupidity TC. Quality you think a billion do
Don't think anyone gives a toss about your stupidity TC. Quality you think a billion do
In reply to Post #1350
You're the one claiming that your body will know what to do if you catch it again, but I'm giving an example of it might not actually know what to do, especially considering you've already had to use the health service when you caught it last time out...
You're the one claiming that your body will know what to do if you catch it again, but I'm giving an example of it might not actually know what to do, especially considering you've already had to use the health service when you caught it last time out...
Nadal has covid, you couldn't make it up.. bet he wishes he hadn't commented on novax now
In reply to Post #1359
Are you sure he had Covid in December ?
https://www.skysports.com/tennis/news/12110/12512383/rafael-nadal-warms-up-for-australian-open-by-winning-title-at-melbourne-summer-set
Are you sure he had Covid in December ?
https://www.skysports.com/tennis/news/12110/12512383/rafael-nadal-warms-up-for-australian-open-by-winning-title-at-melbourne-summer-set
In reply to Post #1360
That could be the case
I was skim reading an Australian news site between working and read a thumbnail description..
That's right you lazy feckers, paying for all your boosters still
That could be the case
I was skim reading an Australian news site between working and read a thumbnail description..
That's right you lazy feckers, paying for all your boosters still
In reply to Post #1361
No worries though it looks like we're doomed the ‘Deltacron'variant 😂
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384049/Scientists-Cyprus-identify-new-Deltacron-Covid-strain-combines-Delta-Omicron.html
No worries though it looks like we're doomed the ‘Deltacron'variant 😂
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384049/Scientists-Cyprus-identify-new-Deltacron-Covid-strain-combines-Delta-Omicron.html
In reply to Post #1358
Unrelated trip Andy.......
They may as well cancel the AO.......no players to play with Australia's stupid rules.......
Omi just in time for colds season and Deltacron in time for flu season.......couldn't make it up.......
Unrelated trip Andy.......
They may as well cancel the AO.......no players to play with Australia's stupid rules.......
Omi just in time for colds season and Deltacron in time for flu season.......couldn't make it up.......
In reply to Post #1363
I wonder if Buck Rogers will be wearing a 😷 when we get to the 25th century 😂
I wonder if Buck Rogers will be wearing a 😷 when we get to the 25th century 😂
In reply to Post #1363
They wont cancel the tennis, just like the darts wasnt cancelled. If you get covid then you forfeit the tie.
They wont cancel the tennis, just like the darts wasnt cancelled. If you get covid then you forfeit the tie.
In reply to Post #1364
Probably Jason.......
Probably Jason.......
In reply to Post #1364
No... he set off in 1987 so ....
No... he set off in 1987 so ....
In reply to Post #1367
I just watched the original trailer on YouTube twiki looks like he has one on 😀
I just watched the original trailer on YouTube twiki looks like he has one on 😀
In reply to Post #1368
Isn't he currently first minister in Scotland?
I do have fond memories of the arcade game that was based on that show.
Isn't he currently first minister in Scotland?
I do have fond memories of the arcade game that was based on that show.
In reply to Post #1370
Definitely not a Mil Int op and/or crawling all over that at all
Definitely not a Mil Int op and/or crawling all over that at all
Novak allowed in.......
In reply to Post #1372
Good job too, always nice to see the lawyers get one over on a harsh immigration system on behalf of an Eastern European.
Good job too, always nice to see the lawyers get one over on a harsh immigration system on behalf of an Eastern European.
In reply to Post #1373
There immigration rules are good, there Covid ones are ridiculous.......
There immigration rules are good, there Covid ones are ridiculous.......
In reply to Post #1374
Clearly ridiculous and in no way would they have helped them have a death toll fewer than 2500.
Clearly ridiculous and in no way would they have helped them have a death toll fewer than 2500.
In reply to Post #1375
They have delayed and vaccinated.......perhaps the UK should have followed suit.......
Novak re arrested........
I like the fact he is pushing exemption because he has had Covid.......hopefully it sets a precedent going forward.......
They have delayed and vaccinated.......perhaps the UK should have followed suit.......
Novak re arrested........
I like the fact he is pushing exemption because he has had Covid.......hopefully it sets a precedent going forward.......
When you have 2,000 people a day being hospitalised, whether it's "endemic" or not, measures need to be put in place. You may personally not give a flying **** about anyone else, but the simple fact is that our health service is teetering on the edge of collapse, for a variety of reasons, and ultimately, that will impact everyone.
As we all know, the Tories are doing their utmost to run the system ragged and then justify their move towards privatisation and a US style health service that causes in excess of half a million bankruptcies a year. That'll be you, your parents, or your kids, one day - and all because you want to flex on the internet, complain about masks and are petrified of a tiny needle.
Whilst we continue to have a significant portion of air heads in our midst - and I am talking globally, not just in the UK, though by god we seem to have way more than our fair share - then we continue to provide the opportunity for the virus to mutate, and it will continue to do so until people either come to their senses or are simply struck down and killed by it; one way or another, the number of vaccinated people will increase, the likelihood of nasty mutations will decrease, and we might one day get back to the sort of normality that everyone craves.
As we all know, the Tories are doing their utmost to run the system ragged and then justify their move towards privatisation and a US style health service that causes in excess of half a million bankruptcies a year. That'll be you, your parents, or your kids, one day - and all because you want to flex on the internet, complain about masks and are petrified of a tiny needle.
Whilst we continue to have a significant portion of air heads in our midst - and I am talking globally, not just in the UK, though by god we seem to have way more than our fair share - then we continue to provide the opportunity for the virus to mutate, and it will continue to do so until people either come to their senses or are simply struck down and killed by it; one way or another, the number of vaccinated people will increase, the likelihood of nasty mutations will decrease, and we might one day get back to the sort of normality that everyone craves.
In reply to Post #1373
In reply to Post #1377
Do you believe the vaccines have caused the mutations and weakened the virus.Genuine question as I'm intrigued what you think
Do you believe the vaccines have caused the mutations and weakened the virus.Genuine question as I'm intrigued what you think
In reply to Post #1379
Covid is just like any other respiratory virus, they mutate to survive.
When flu mutates (just had a read ) it goes through an Antigenic Shift when a host is infected with two strains which create a new variant though with Covid it's different hence here we are.
Good article here
https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/how_do_viruses_mutate_and_what_it_means_for_a_vaccine
And 🤞 like with COVID's latest variant it seems it's just going to get weaker and weaker
I guess the problem these days we have a larger aging population to look after where these viruses seem to be the biggest challenge.
I always wonder though if a variant was more challenging to the under 40s would would governments be as strict as they have been, lockdowns etc.
Covid is just like any other respiratory virus, they mutate to survive.
When flu mutates (just had a read
) it goes through an Antigenic Shift when a host is infected with two strains which create a new variant though with Covid it's different hence here we are.Good article here
https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/how_do_viruses_mutate_and_what_it_means_for_a_vaccine
And 🤞 like with COVID's latest variant it seems it's just going to get weaker and weaker
I guess the problem these days we have a larger aging population to look after where these viruses seem to be the biggest challenge.
I always wonder though if a variant was more challenging to the under 40s would would governments be as strict as they have been, lockdowns etc.
In reply to Post #1380
In reply to Post #1379
The virus doesn't really care how potent it is; all it wants to do is survive. The Omicron variant has been spectacularly successful at doing this, as evidenced by the record numbers of new infections. Luckily (for most people) it's proven to be less deadly but the number of people being hospitalised and dying is still at unacceptable levels, which would always be the case with an exponential rise in case numbers.
What is of greatest concern is that a new variant emerges - which could occur for any number of reasons - that is more deadly, or is better equipped to evade the existing vaccines. With case numbers so high, testing capacity absolutely maxxed out, people not self isolating (for a variety of reasons), poor ventilation in schools and workplaces, etc. then theres every chance that something worse could come along. The idea that it will continue to get weaker each time a new variant appears isn't something I'd be hugely confident in, personally.
The virus doesn't really care how potent it is; all it wants to do is survive. The Omicron variant has been spectacularly successful at doing this, as evidenced by the record numbers of new infections. Luckily (for most people) it's proven to be less deadly but the number of people being hospitalised and dying is still at unacceptable levels, which would always be the case with an exponential rise in case numbers.
What is of greatest concern is that a new variant emerges - which could occur for any number of reasons - that is more deadly, or is better equipped to evade the existing vaccines. With case numbers so high, testing capacity absolutely maxxed out, people not self isolating (for a variety of reasons), poor ventilation in schools and workplaces, etc. then theres every chance that something worse could come along. The idea that it will continue to get weaker each time a new variant appears isn't something I'd be hugely confident in, personally.
In reply to Post #1382
"people being hospitalised and dying is still at unacceptable levels"
I'm curious, what would be acceptable levels of death, 1 person dying, is two one too much? Asking for a friend.
"people being hospitalised and dying is still at unacceptable levels"
I'm curious, what would be acceptable levels of death, 1 person dying, is two one too much? Asking for a friend.
In reply to Post #1377
How do you know that the Torries have a plan to run the 'holy' NHS the way the Americans do, do you have documents to support such a bold claim, or is this all in your head, which is it?
Just going by again what you're claiming, that being that the NHS "is on the edge of collapse", would you not agree that over population, specifically immigration either legal or illegal needs to be halted to ease the burden on resources as apposed to pumping money into a black hole like the NHS has become with an ever increasing burden made upon it?
You essentially make a claim that the vaccine/vaccines are our only route out of this, this isn't true at all. It's been proven that natural immunity is far superior to these trial drugs simply because with natural immunity you get the full virus which your T cells are then programmed to respond to the virus when it next detects it, unlike the trial drug whereby you only get a very small portion of the virus, hence limited/rapidly waining Immunity.
How do you know that the Torries have a plan to run the 'holy' NHS the way the Americans do, do you have documents to support such a bold claim, or is this all in your head, which is it?
Just going by again what you're claiming, that being that the NHS "is on the edge of collapse", would you not agree that over population, specifically immigration either legal or illegal needs to be halted to ease the burden on resources as apposed to pumping money into a black hole like the NHS has become with an ever increasing burden made upon it?
You essentially make a claim that the vaccine/vaccines are our only route out of this, this isn't true at all. It's been proven that natural immunity is far superior to these trial drugs simply because with natural immunity you get the full virus which your T cells are then programmed to respond to the virus when it next detects it, unlike the trial drug whereby you only get a very small portion of the virus, hence limited/rapidly waining Immunity.
In reply to Post #1384
Is that the same migrants that make up a significant proportion of the nhs staff?
Is that the same migrants that make up a significant proportion of the nhs staff?
In reply to Post #1385
That wouldn't have anything to do with *diversity quotas* would it, you think?
That wouldn't have anything to do with *diversity quotas* would it, you think?
In reply to Post #1386
Probably more to do with the lack of staff
Probably more to do with the lack of staff
In reply to Post #1377
When you have 2,000 people a day being hospitalised, whether it's "endemic" or not, measures need to be put in place. You may personally not give a flying **** about anyone else, but the simple fact is that our health service is teetering on the edge of collapse, for a variety of reasons, and ultimately, that will impact everyone.
As we all know, the Tories are doing their utmost to run the system ragged and then justify their move towards privatisation and a US style health service that causes in excess of half a million bankruptcies a year. That'll be you, your parents, or your kids, one day - and all because you want to flex on the internet, complain about masks and are petrified of a tiny needle.
Whilst we continue to have a significant portion of air heads in our midst - and I am talking globally, not just in the UK, though by god we seem to have way more than our fair share - then we continue to provide the opportunity for the virus to mutate, and it will continue to do so until people either come to their senses or are simply struck down and killed by it; one way or another, the number of vaccinated people will increase, the likelihood of nasty mutations will decrease, and we might one day get back to the sort of normality that everyone craves.
You talking to me......... Im not scared of needles, Im not flexing and im certainly not wearing a mask.......
Mutations.........dont ALL viruses weaken with each mutation?
When you have 2,000 people a day being hospitalised, whether it's "endemic" or not, measures need to be put in place. You may personally not give a flying **** about anyone else, but the simple fact is that our health service is teetering on the edge of collapse, for a variety of reasons, and ultimately, that will impact everyone.
As we all know, the Tories are doing their utmost to run the system ragged and then justify their move towards privatisation and a US style health service that causes in excess of half a million bankruptcies a year. That'll be you, your parents, or your kids, one day - and all because you want to flex on the internet, complain about masks and are petrified of a tiny needle.
Whilst we continue to have a significant portion of air heads in our midst - and I am talking globally, not just in the UK, though by god we seem to have way more than our fair share - then we continue to provide the opportunity for the virus to mutate, and it will continue to do so until people either come to their senses or are simply struck down and killed by it; one way or another, the number of vaccinated people will increase, the likelihood of nasty mutations will decrease, and we might one day get back to the sort of normality that everyone craves.
You talking to me.........
Im not scared of needles, Im not flexing and im certainly not wearing a mask.......Mutations.........dont ALL viruses weaken with each mutation?
In reply to Post #1384
Everything I've stated above is accurate; I know you're a Tory shill and even worse than that a defender of white supremacist murderers, couple these facts with your borderline deranged contributions to this thread, and you're gonna have to work extremely hard to convince me that I'm the one who's wrong. Cheers.
Everything I've stated above is accurate; I know you're a Tory shill and even worse than that a defender of white supremacist murderers, couple these facts with your borderline deranged contributions to this thread, and you're gonna have to work extremely hard to convince me that I'm the one who's wrong. Cheers.
In reply to Post #1388
Google it and find out
Google it and find out
In reply to Post #1388
Mutation is just errors in Genetic code during replication. It is not true that viruses always mutate to become less dangerous, but delta replicated in the lungs, omicron replicates in the throat, roughly 70x faster than delta, so I would think it is logical that it will not mutate to go back to a lung based virus. It was the lungs issue that made it so deadly.
I am of a growing opinion that Omicron was developed in the lab in China to outstrip delta and put an end to the pandemic. They have data to suggest it evolved from the original virus, went missing for 18 months and then appeared, and resembles a virus that mutated in mice. They use mice in labs ffs.
Mutation is just errors in Genetic code during replication. It is not true that viruses always mutate to become less dangerous, but delta replicated in the lungs, omicron replicates in the throat, roughly 70x faster than delta, so I would think it is logical that it will not mutate to go back to a lung based virus. It was the lungs issue that made it so deadly.
I am of a growing opinion that Omicron was developed in the lab in China to outstrip delta and put an end to the pandemic. They have data to suggest it evolved from the original virus, went missing for 18 months and then appeared, and resembles a virus that mutated in mice. They use mice in labs ffs.
In reply to Post #1389
Proofs of your ramblings or it didn't happened.
"a defender of white supremacist murderers" Wot? Like the hell you going on about?
Answer my specific points I've made in my previous post instead of making unjustifiable claims and being an weasel.
Proofs of your ramblings or it didn't happened.
"a defender of white supremacist murderers" Wot? Like the hell you going on about?
Answer my specific points I've made in my previous post instead of making unjustifiable claims and being an weasel.
In reply to Post #1392
I really wish you wouldn't post on this thread. You literally add nothing of value.
I really wish you wouldn't post on this thread. You literally add nothing of value.
In reply to Post #1384
Quote - You essentially make a claim that the vaccine/vaccines are our only route out of this, this isn't true at all. It's been proven that natural immunity is far superior to these trial drugs simply because with natural immunity you get the full virus which your T cells are then programmed to respond to the virus when it next detects it, unlike the trial drug whereby you only get a very small portion of the virus, hence limited/rapidly waining Immunity.
T cells are basically your immune systems memory bank, they are brilliant at dealing with viruses but you will need to have a previous infection. So although your right T cells are good, but for the vulnerable or elderly a jab would be better for them... then get infected
Quote - You essentially make a claim that the vaccine/vaccines are our only route out of this, this isn't true at all. It's been proven that natural immunity is far superior to these trial drugs simply because with natural immunity you get the full virus which your T cells are then programmed to respond to the virus when it next detects it, unlike the trial drug whereby you only get a very small portion of the virus, hence limited/rapidly waining Immunity.
T cells are basically your immune systems memory bank, they are brilliant at dealing with viruses but you will need to have a previous infection. So although your right T cells are good, but for the vulnerable or elderly a jab would be better for them... then get infected
In reply to Post #1392
As I said, you're the one that's going to need to work hard to convince me. Just flinging random questions into the mix certainly isn't going to achieve that.
As I said, you're the one that's going to need to work hard to convince me. Just flinging random questions into the mix certainly isn't going to achieve that.
In reply to Post #1384
Tories have written about their desire to privatise the NHS. As have donors, backers and right wing, libertarian demagogues. Not to mention former Tory PM John Major saying that the current mob can't be trusted with the NHS.
Your second paragraph is errant nonsense.
There are studies that show vaccines give better immunity than infection without the risk of having to become infected. Have you read them?
Tories have written about their desire to privatise the NHS. As have donors, backers and right wing, libertarian demagogues. Not to mention former Tory PM John Major saying that the current mob can't be trusted with the NHS.
Your second paragraph is errant nonsense.
There are studies that show vaccines give better immunity than infection without the risk of having to become infected. Have you read them?
In reply to Post #1384
So contracting a potentially fatal virus with no protection in the hope of developing a natural immunity (which is a generous assumption given the evidence that you can definitely catch this more than once, but let's go with it), is a better option than a vaccine that significantly reduces 1 the likelihood of contracting the virus, 2 severity of illness 3 likelihood of death and 4 your chances of transmission to others.. .?
Asking for 150,000 plus friends
So contracting a potentially fatal virus with no protection in the hope of developing a natural immunity (which is a generous assumption given the evidence that you can definitely catch this more than once, but let's go with it), is a better option than a vaccine that significantly reduces 1 the likelihood of contracting the virus, 2 severity of illness 3 likelihood of death and 4 your chances of transmission to others.. .?
Asking for 150,000 plus friends
In reply to Post #1396
1: Please show me where they've said this, where it's written. I won't deny that the NHS hasn't been hollowed out over successive governments, be that Labour or Conservatives. I'll point you to previous posts I've made in this thread where I've said 'they're all the same'.
2: Hardly nonsense. Makes perfect sense, that is unless you've an agenda.
3: I have read CDC reports that claim that vaccinations are the only solution, which clearly isn't true at all given evidence to the contrary. But then there's this that totally refutes such claims--> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
1: Please show me where they've said this, where it's written. I won't deny that the NHS hasn't been hollowed out over successive governments, be that Labour or Conservatives. I'll point you to previous posts I've made in this thread where I've said 'they're all the same'.
2: Hardly nonsense. Makes perfect sense, that is unless you've an agenda.
3: I have read CDC reports that claim that vaccinations are the only solution, which clearly isn't true at all given evidence to the contrary. But then there's this that totally refutes such claims--> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
In reply to Post #1397
Let's see what you're saying in a few years time.We could be having a similar conversation about 1000's dying due to the vaccines not being safe in the first place
Let's see what you're saying in a few years time.We could be having a similar conversation about 1000's dying due to the vaccines not being safe in the first place
In reply to Post #1399
Well... I guess that's a possibility
But I believe that for the overwhelming majority of people, it's the safer option
I accept that some people have fears about the speed of development but the approach to working on this vaccine is unprecedented in terms of resources, finances, scale, research teams...
Let's hope we're both here in a few years to discuss it eh?
Well... I guess that's a possibility
But I believe that for the overwhelming majority of people, it's the safer option
I accept that some people have fears about the speed of development but the approach to working on this vaccine is unprecedented in terms of resources, finances, scale, research teams...
Let's hope we're both here in a few years to discuss it eh?
In reply to Post #1398
Do your own research.
Do your own research.
In reply to Post #1401
Then come on here and check the sources are credible
Then come on here and check the sources are credible
In reply to Post #1397
My tale is anecdotal; I've not had the vaccine at all and I'm fine, as are millions of others in the U.K that are in a similar position to me.
Thing is with all of this, and I know I'm going over old ground here, there are alternatives to the vaccine, Ivermectin has been proven to reliably reduce severe effects of Covid from what I gather. I don't know what is happening over here as to why Ivermectin isn't being used as a substitute to vaccinations, though it seems given the massive insensitives that are being handed out to hospitals over in America to use anything but Ivermectin, money is the real driver Ivermectin is being ignored and suppressed.
An interesting aside: Hospitals in the US via government agency guidelines have only two treatments for Covid, those being Remdesivir which shuts down your kidneys (think it's the kidneys) and floods your lungs with liquid, and ventilators. Now, it turns out that when patients die following the guidence, there's hospitals that are being payed nearly 350,000. I'm not suggesting a death cult conspiracy, no, not at all, what I'm saying given the evidence I've seen from US hospital and government documents that if hospitals follow specific government process, they, the hospitals get huge monies as an incentive. Go look it up yourself; it's a real eye opener.
My tale is anecdotal; I've not had the vaccine at all and I'm fine, as are millions of others in the U.K that are in a similar position to me.
Thing is with all of this, and I know I'm going over old ground here, there are alternatives to the vaccine, Ivermectin has been proven to reliably reduce severe effects of Covid from what I gather. I don't know what is happening over here as to why Ivermectin isn't being used as a substitute to vaccinations, though it seems given the massive insensitives that are being handed out to hospitals over in America to use anything but Ivermectin, money is the real driver Ivermectin is being ignored and suppressed.
An interesting aside: Hospitals in the US via government agency guidelines have only two treatments for Covid, those being Remdesivir which shuts down your kidneys (think it's the kidneys) and floods your lungs with liquid, and ventilators. Now, it turns out that when patients die following the guidence, there's hospitals that are being payed nearly 350,000. I'm not suggesting a death cult conspiracy, no, not at all, what I'm saying given the evidence I've seen from US hospital and government documents that if hospitals follow specific government process, they, the hospitals get huge monies as an incentive. Go look it up yourself; it's a real eye opener.
In reply to Post #1400
Something that I heard that was heartening was from Robert Malone when asked why he thinks some have bad reactions to the vax and some don't. Malone opinion is that some create huge amounts of spike proteins that lead to blockages, and some some don't, the former being the ones that have problems. The way I'm looking at it given what he's saying is that if you've been fine so far, more than likely you'll be fine in the long run, I hope that's true
I'll agree with you that what you're saying is a reasonable, rational observation of what's gone on, but there's a but, the but being why the reaction, not just here, all across the globe. Something worth searching out is a recent WHO whistleblower that points to exactly why the reaction and who was directing that reaction...spoiler alert... It was Dr Bill Gates all along. Just follow it up, I dare you, it's proper jaw dropping. Shady as f4ck.
Something that I heard that was heartening was from Robert Malone when asked why he thinks some have bad reactions to the vax and some don't. Malone opinion is that some create huge amounts of spike proteins that lead to blockages, and some some don't, the former being the ones that have problems. The way I'm looking at it given what he's saying is that if you've been fine so far, more than likely you'll be fine in the long run, I hope that's true
I'll agree with you that what you're saying is a reasonable, rational observation of what's gone on, but there's a but, the but being why the reaction, not just here, all across the globe. Something worth searching out is a recent WHO whistleblower that points to exactly why the reaction and who was directing that reaction...spoiler alert... It was Dr Bill Gates all along. Just follow it up, I dare you, it's proper jaw dropping. Shady as f4ck.
In reply to Post #1401
Thought it was cobblers that you were on about. Point proven
Thought it was cobblers that you were on about. Point proven
WHO whistleblower...
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HZ94izRdfvnW/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HZ94izRdfvnW/
In reply to Post #1400
Very true
Very true
In reply to Post #1393
He doesn't add any value to any other thread either
He doesn't add any value to any other thread either
In reply to Post #1404
It's not a spoiler alert, as nobody is particularly interested
It's not a spoiler alert, as nobody is particularly interested
In reply to Post #1408
Thats harsh and I'm sure if that was the case the moderator's would take appropriate action
Thats harsh and I'm sure if that was the case the moderator's would take appropriate action
In reply to Post #1410
I don't know about that... I mean you're on 14000 plus posts and they've not evicted you yet....
I don't know about that... I mean you're on 14000 plus posts and they've not evicted you yet....
In reply to Post #1405
So you didn't see anything in your exhaustive research about Raab, Truss, Patel, Skidmore and Kwarteng? Nothing about Javid's love of Ayn Rand? Nothing about Mercer and Koch? I suppose Major was misquoted as well.
So you didn't see anything in your exhaustive research about Raab, Truss, Patel, Skidmore and Kwarteng? Nothing about Javid's love of Ayn Rand? Nothing about Mercer and Koch? I suppose Major was misquoted as well.
In reply to Post #1411
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In reply to Post #1412
Ok big brain, I can see you're new to this
You've made several.claims, I've asked you for proof backing up those claims, it's how this stuff works, crazy eh?
Instead of mentioning names and chucking out random shapes, shown me your evidence to back up your claims. If you can't show me any evidence, your claims will be considered moot.
Ok big brain, I can see you're new to this
You've made several.claims, I've asked you for proof backing up those claims, it's how this stuff works, crazy eh?
Instead of mentioning names and chucking out random shapes, shown me your evidence to back up your claims. If you can't show me any evidence, your claims will be considered moot.
In reply to Post #1414
In 2019 the Labour party tabled a motion to protect the NHS from privatisation and 281 Conservative MP's voted against the motion.
But really, it's pathetic that you ask for proof. Literally EVERYONE knows the Torys would love to privatise it, but also that they are VERY careful about their views on this as they know that protection of the NHS as a public service is an issue which is dear to even many centrist conservatives, let alone anyone on the left.
I don't even know why I bother replying to you. You are a troll.
In 2019 the Labour party tabled a motion to protect the NHS from privatisation and 281 Conservative MP's voted against the motion.
But really, it's pathetic that you ask for proof. Literally EVERYONE knows the Torys would love to privatise it, but also that they are VERY careful about their views on this as they know that protection of the NHS as a public service is an issue which is dear to even many centrist conservatives, let alone anyone on the left.
I don't even know why I bother replying to you. You are a troll.
In reply to Post #1415
Sigh
What part of 'they're all the same' don't you get?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59910107
Sigh
What part of 'they're all the same' don't you get?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59910107
In reply to Post #1409
I'm thinking about getting one of those added rear wing type things on the boot of my mk2 Ford escort....
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I'm thinking about getting one of those added rear wing type things on the boot of my mk2 Ford escort....
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In reply to Post #1417
How is using private healthcare providers to cut waiting lists the same as removing universal healthcare that is free at the point of use?
How is using private healthcare providers to cut waiting lists the same as removing universal healthcare that is free at the point of use?
In reply to Post #1419
Anyways...
Peak clownworld...
My son and my daughter in law both caught Covid last week. My daughter in law first, then my son a couple of days later.
As serving paramedics, both were eligible for their booster vaccine. My son had his two weeks ago... My daughter in law was due to have hers the day after she tested positive. So obviously she could not have hers. Both are very fit and healthy young adults with zero underlying issues.
My daughter in law, although double jabbed, had not had her booster. They both clearly caught Omicron which is so prevalent in the UK at the moment. Both had gone the entire two years of the pandemic, without catching the virus up until last week.
My daughter in law who had not had the booster really struggled. She completely lost her voice for three days, had great trouble breathing at times, it really wiped her out for the whole of last week. She could not feel her arms at one point. Then her arms hurt so much she could not lay down and sleep for three nights. They were very close to going to A&E with her. She tested positive for eight days. She has been negative for four days now... But still feels like death warmed up. It really hit her hard.
My son got it two days after her. He had his booster as mentioned. He caught it at home from his missus, my daughter in law above. He had a sore throat for four days, felt really tired and achy for one day... He only tested positive for two days. He was completely fine.
Hardly conclusive proof of anything, but they are convinced the booster clearly made a massive difference to my son, after they both caught what was obviously Omicron.
As serving paramedics, both were eligible for their booster vaccine. My son had his two weeks ago... My daughter in law was due to have hers the day after she tested positive. So obviously she could not have hers. Both are very fit and healthy young adults with zero underlying issues.
My daughter in law, although double jabbed, had not had her booster. They both clearly caught Omicron which is so prevalent in the UK at the moment. Both had gone the entire two years of the pandemic, without catching the virus up until last week.
My daughter in law who had not had the booster really struggled. She completely lost her voice for three days, had great trouble breathing at times, it really wiped her out for the whole of last week. She could not feel her arms at one point. Then her arms hurt so much she could not lay down and sleep for three nights. They were very close to going to A&E with her. She tested positive for eight days. She has been negative for four days now... But still feels like death warmed up. It really hit her hard.
My son got it two days after her. He had his booster as mentioned. He caught it at home from his missus, my daughter in law above. He had a sore throat for four days, felt really tired and achy for one day... He only tested positive for two days. He was completely fine.
Hardly conclusive proof of anything, but they are convinced the booster clearly made a massive difference to my son, after they both caught what was obviously Omicron.
In reply to Post #1400
Believe it or not, I was quite worried about the speed at which the vaccine was developed. In the past, I've been very sceptical of the Flu Jab - it always made me feel like utter crap for days afterwards! Then I had Covid in Dec 2020 / Jan 2021, in bed for a fortnight, off work for a month and never been so ill in my life. The Mrs. said she almost called an ambulance on a couple of occasions, though I don't remember much as I was completely out of it on a vast cocktail of different medicines.
Wouldn't wish it on anyone - no hesitation with the vaccine after that.
It's just a shame that people are so pig **** ignorant that they refuse to listen, and as such may cause themselves, or someone they love, to suffer like I did, or perhaps worse. There's no shortage of people regretting not taking the vaccine just prior to being intubated.
Ivermectin.
What about intravenous bleach?
Believe it or not, I was quite worried about the speed at which the vaccine was developed. In the past, I've been very sceptical of the Flu Jab - it always made me feel like utter crap for days afterwards! Then I had Covid in Dec 2020 / Jan 2021, in bed for a fortnight, off work for a month and never been so ill in my life. The Mrs. said she almost called an ambulance on a couple of occasions, though I don't remember much as I was completely out of it on a vast cocktail of different medicines.
Wouldn't wish it on anyone - no hesitation with the vaccine after that.
It's just a shame that people are so pig **** ignorant that they refuse to listen, and as such may cause themselves, or someone they love, to suffer like I did, or perhaps worse. There's no shortage of people regretting not taking the vaccine just prior to being intubated.
Ivermectin.
What about intravenous bleach?
https://www.bbc.com/news/59929638
Probably most of us have seen that clip where the un-vaccinated ICU doctor challenges Javid on the vaccination as in his own words the science didn't back up getting vaccinated...
Maybe he should have engaged his frontal lobe before speaking.
Probably most of us have seen that clip where the un-vaccinated ICU doctor challenges Javid on the vaccination as in his own words the science didn't back up getting vaccinated...
Maybe he should have engaged his frontal lobe before speaking.
In reply to Post #1425
Stopped reading after b..b..but a 'pfizer study' debonks this.
https://youtu.be/-KnjXhfMs3E
Stopped reading after b..b..but a 'pfizer study' debonks this.
https://youtu.be/-KnjXhfMs3E
In reply to Post #1425
He'll soon be vaccinated, the time is ticking for that particular doctor, like some on this thread, we'll see how big their morals are when they want to do nice stuff
He'll soon be vaccinated, the time is ticking for that particular doctor, like some on this thread, we'll see how big their morals are when they want to do nice stuff
In reply to Post #1427
For some it's clearly too late and a frontal lobotomy is the only solution.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384239/Alpha-Men-Assemble-Inside-anti-vax-group-members-taught-wage-war-government.html
For some it's clearly too late and a frontal lobotomy is the only solution.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384239/Alpha-Men-Assemble-Inside-anti-vax-group-members-taught-wage-war-government.html
In reply to Post #1428
Old news
Old news
In reply to Post #1428
Alpha Men Assemble.
On a more sobering and serious note, I see that our overlords (the Govt.) have been understating Covid death stats but around 15% and that the ONS says we've passed 176,000 in this country. Devastating.
Alpha Men Assemble.
On a more sobering and serious note, I see that our overlords (the Govt.) have been understating Covid death stats but around 15% and that the ONS says we've passed 176,000 in this country. Devastating.
We have just lost a close family friend,he has had cancer for around 18months.He had to go into hospital just before Christmas even though they knew there was nothing they could do for him.They sent him home last week,he was then discovered to have covid from hospital.He has just died two days ago,cause of death is being put as covid,how is that right.
In reply to Post #1424
There's no shortage of people regretting not taking the vaccine just prior to being intubated.
I imagine there is no shortage of people wishing they hadn't had the jab from various documented side affects and death!
The amount of people that caught Covid after there booster is crazy.......or was it the booster itself......
Andy - I will always do fun things regardless of rules.......
There's no shortage of people regretting not taking the vaccine just prior to being intubated.
I imagine there is no shortage of people wishing they hadn't had the jab from various documented side affects and death!
The amount of people that caught Covid after there booster is crazy.......or was it the booster itself......
Andy - I will always do fun things regardless of rules.......
In reply to Post #1423
Glad they're both ok Mark.
When me and my missus caught it (from my son who got it at primary school) she was a mess, double jabbed, slim and 5 years younger than me. I was fine except snot, aching shoulders and the odd cough when roasting parsnips To be fair I reckon I've had every variant at least once and have the body of a god
Glad they're both ok Mark.
When me and my missus caught it (from my son who got it at primary school) she was a mess, double jabbed, slim and 5 years younger than me. I was fine except snot, aching shoulders and the odd cough when roasting parsnips
To be fair I reckon I've had every variant at least once and have the body of a god
In reply to Post #1433
I worked right through, never had a day off sick (since the late '90s) My missus works in a care home, she had a month on furlough, I have 3 kids, all at different schools / colleges ( they are 9, 14, 17). I have done in the region of 20 - 30 flights since Jan-20 (mainly dublin / belfast) and by some miracle, nobody in my family has had covid, or even had to isolate once throughout the entire episode.
Having said this, we have had colds and infections, but whenever we have done tests, they have been negative.
We have all taken the vaccines when advised.
In 2020 I ran just over 1100 miles, which I think is a major factor in helping fight off things like colds.
I worked right through, never had a day off sick (since the late '90s) My missus works in a care home, she had a month on furlough, I have 3 kids, all at different schools / colleges ( they are 9, 14, 17). I have done in the region of 20 - 30 flights since Jan-20 (mainly dublin / belfast) and by some miracle, nobody in my family has had covid, or even had to isolate once throughout the entire episode.
Having said this, we have had colds and infections, but whenever we have done tests, they have been negative.
We have all taken the vaccines when advised.
In 2020 I ran just over 1100 miles, which I think is a major factor in helping fight off things like colds.
In reply to Post #1431
Sorry to hear this mate and so sad to hear of many other similar stories too.
Regards cause of death going down as covid it is nothing more, nothing less just a scaremongering tactic to frighten people in complying with having their vaccinations.
Be involved in road traffic accident which turns out to be fatal, upon arrival to hospital you'll be tested for covid and then if positive you'll be classed as a covid death.
Stinks to high heaven and those responsible for making this legal should be thrown in jail.
Edit - For all the monies ploughed and raised to fight cancer those milking it won't half be pleased that lots and lots of cancer related deaths haven't being registered as such.
In short, scandalous.
Sorry to hear this mate and so sad to hear of many other similar stories too.
Regards cause of death going down as covid it is nothing more, nothing less just a scaremongering tactic to frighten people in complying with having their vaccinations.
Be involved in road traffic accident which turns out to be fatal, upon arrival to hospital you'll be tested for covid and then if positive you'll be classed as a covid death.
Stinks to high heaven and those responsible for making this legal should be thrown in jail.
Edit - For all the monies ploughed and raised to fight cancer those milking it won't half be pleased that lots and lots of cancer related deaths haven't being registered as such.
In short, scandalous.
In reply to Post #1431
Sorry to hear that you lost a dear friend.
Though can others stop talking rubbish about scaremongering you make your own choice.
Some of us have lived with the big c for more than 15 years (with it remaining at a low staging but never quite gone, follow up treatment etc) with its up n downs and sometimes a sense of despair but we just keep going 👍🏼
Sorry to hear that you lost a dear friend.
Though can others stop talking rubbish about scaremongering you make your own choice.
Some of us have lived with the big c for more than 15 years (with it remaining at a low staging but never quite gone, follow up treatment etc) with its up n downs and sometimes a sense of despair but we just keep going 👍🏼
In reply to Post #1432
Doesn't surprise me how many people caught Covid after the booster.
My wife and I needed to travel near a walk in site and we made the mistake of going in for our booster. Queued outside for what seemed ages and when we finally got to the tent there were hundreds more queueing up and down inside. Bit late to turn back by then but in the end we were packed inside for almost 2 hours. Although everyone was wearing a mask I'm still amazed we didn't catch something.
Seems to me that less care is taken with these sites now.
Doesn't surprise me how many people caught Covid after the booster.
My wife and I needed to travel near a walk in site and we made the mistake of going in for our booster. Queued outside for what seemed ages and when we finally got to the tent there were hundreds more queueing up and down inside. Bit late to turn back by then but in the end we were packed inside for almost 2 hours. Although everyone was wearing a mask I'm still amazed we didn't catch something.
Seems to me that less care is taken with these sites now.
In reply to Post #1432
DP
DP
In reply to Post #1435
re: car accidents - none of that is even remotely true but you'll carry on with it anyway, I'm sure.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics
Condolences to @braders1978 on the loss of your friend.
re: car accidents - none of that is even remotely true but you'll carry on with it anyway, I'm sure.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics
Condolences to @braders1978 on the loss of your friend.
In reply to Post #1439
First of all before putting and keeping that head of yours up your ar5e might I suggest you take a test as that way if you're negative you'll go down as a suffocation statistic and not a Covid case.
First of all before putting and keeping that head of yours up your ar5e might I suggest you take a test as that way if you're negative you'll go down as a suffocation statistic and not a Covid case.
In reply to Post #1431
Sorry to hear that braders.
Sorry to hear that braders.
Brother in law passed away from Crohns ‘received shocking care during the pandemic' but they'd have being quite happy put it down as Covid had he tested positive whilst in hospital and that's the problem.
Thanks guys,I just can't wait for all this to be over.
In reply to Post #1443
Won't be long now before we have to accept that it's something we will have to live with as there's only so much digging someone can do.
Won't be long now before we have to accept that it's something we will have to live with as there's only so much digging someone can do.
In reply to Post #1444
It will always be here,let's all just hope it does get weaker and can get back to living our lives.Im sure we will find something else to moan about after
It will always be here,let's all just hope it does get weaker and can get back to living our lives.Im sure we will find something else to moan about after
In reply to Post #1445
Like delkims or Nevs.
Like delkims or Nevs.
In reply to Post #1431
Sorry to hear that Bradders.
Similar thing happened to a mate of mine with terminal stage four lung cancer.
Sorry to hear that Bradders.
Similar thing happened to a mate of mine with terminal stage four lung cancer.
In reply to Post #1446
They're both pony, you want Fox buzzers mate
They're both pony, you want Fox buzzers mate
In reply to Post #1440
Nice retort, also note that you don't refute it anyway.
Nice retort, also note that you don't refute it anyway.
In reply to Post #1443
A nice unbiased update from good old John Campbell
https://youtu.be/u2N0cP3A-qU
A nice unbiased update from good old John Campbell
https://youtu.be/u2N0cP3A-qU
Not mentioned this so far
Take a mental note when you see someone that's mentioned on the news of their death, you'll notice that they're not saying what they're died of... really makes you think.
Take a mental note when you see someone that's mentioned on the news of their death, you'll notice that they're not saying what they're died of... really makes you think.
In reply to Post #1448
In reply to Post #1451
Because it's often private out of respect of the family...
Nothing twisted or sinister.
Because it's often private out of respect of the family...
Nothing twisted or sinister.
Project Veritas has released DARPA documents proving coordinated efforts with gain of function of Covid between America and China. Fauci is proven to have lied to Congress with these documents.... Oooof.
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/military-documents-about-gain-of-function-contradict-fauci-testimony-under/
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/military-documents-about-gain-of-function-contradict-fauci-testimony-under/
In reply to Post #1454
Project Veritas is as far removed from being a credible source as it's possible to get - YES! even further removed than you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas
Project Veritas is as far removed from being a credible source as it's possible to get - YES! even further removed than you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas
In reply to Post #1455
Hold your horses there buckeroo.
It doesn't matter who is releasing this information, be it the BBC, CNN, Project Veritas, whoever. If they're legit, they're legit, and by all accounts, they're legit.
Wikipedia... Why didn't you go full trusted sauces like le Sopes...Lol
Hold your horses there buckeroo.
It doesn't matter who is releasing this information, be it the BBC, CNN, Project Veritas, whoever. If they're legit, they're legit, and by all accounts, they're legit.
Wikipedia... Why didn't you go full trusted sauces like le Sopes...Lol
In reply to Post #1456
OK, let's see where it leads - though my guess is absolutely nowhere.
I agree that Wikipedia is not a perfect source but if you look at that page and still think that Project Veritas is remotely credible then you must be on some very strong drugs.
OK, let's see where it leads - though my guess is absolutely nowhere.
I agree that Wikipedia is not a perfect source but if you look at that page and still think that Project Veritas is remotely credible then you must be on some very strong drugs.
In reply to Post #1457
I think you're right that this'll just go nowhere in the immediate future, that is until it gains traction on a mainstream platform. Like you say, let's see where this goes.
I'm more than happy for these things to be honestly discussed and torn apart to shreds to get to the truth whatever that truth is. Unfortunately we live in a post truth world. The whole 'where did this come from' has been dishonest from the get go; a whole web of deception and slight of hand.
I think you're right that this'll just go nowhere in the immediate future, that is until it gains traction on a mainstream platform. Like you say, let's see where this goes.
I'm more than happy for these things to be honestly discussed and torn apart to shreds to get to the truth whatever that truth is. Unfortunately we live in a post truth world. The whole 'where did this come from' has been dishonest from the get go; a whole web of deception and slight of hand.
Sorry to hear that Tony.....
I wonder what the NHS will do
Andy, looks like my Holiday is on if I choose to book.........
I wonder what the NHS will do
Andy, looks like my Holiday is on if I choose to book.........
I see the lies are starting to unravel for Novak 😂
In reply to Post #1460
Unvaccinated residents of Quebec, Canada are going to be levied a "significant sum" to help pay for the disproportionately high number in hospital. 12.8% unvaccinated are occupying 50% of the beds. Harsh but fair I suppose.
Unvaccinated residents of Quebec, Canada are going to be levied a "significant sum" to help pay for the disproportionately high number in hospital. 12.8% unvaccinated are occupying 50% of the beds. Harsh but fair I suppose.
In reply to Post #1461
I read that yesterday, interesting way to go, I wonder if our government will follow suit and increase the national insurance contributions for the unvaccinated??
I read that yesterday, interesting way to go, I wonder if our government will follow suit and increase the national insurance contributions for the unvaccinated??
In reply to Post #1461
Not like that's full on totalitarianism with a pinch of coercion or anything? And they trumpet that the right wing are the totalitarians
So a 50/50 split of who is occupying beds - coof shot doesn't work - yet the unvaxed get clobbered via tax. Makes perfect sense. Ffs.
Leaf land is totally cucked.
Not like that's full on totalitarianism with a pinch of coercion or anything? And they trumpet that the right wing are the totalitarians
So a 50/50 split of who is occupying beds - coof shot doesn't work - yet the unvaxed get clobbered via tax. Makes perfect sense. Ffs.
Leaf land is totally cucked.
In reply to Post #1460
He's a real douchebag
Don't have a vaccine by all means, but the man is a **** far beyond that
He's a real douchebag
Don't have a vaccine by all means, but the man is a **** far beyond that
In reply to Post #1463
How can it be totalitarian when the Quebec plebeians have a choice to pay it or not
How can it be totalitarian when the Quebec plebeians have a choice to pay it or not
In reply to Post #1463
Doesn't he mean that out of all hospital admissions, 50% of them are unvaccinated and in for Covid? Whereas there may be 5% unvaccinated in with Covid, 35% in with cancer and 10% hit by a car, etc.
Doesn't he mean that out of all hospital admissions, 50% of them are unvaccinated and in for Covid? Whereas there may be 5% unvaccinated in with Covid, 35% in with cancer and 10% hit by a car, etc.
In reply to Post #1463
Double Post
Double Post
In reply to Post #1463
Double Post.
Double Post.
In reply to Post #1466
In reply to Post #1463
You do understand statistics dont you?
You do understand statistics dont you?
Mrs rung not long ago to say that whilst in shop in Hanley that a bloke had being abusive to my daughter and to her for not wearing a mask ‘exempt anyway' and telling them in no uncertain terms that it's because of them that it's the mess it is. Another shopper that was in there said that this person had being doing the same thing to others in the shop across the street too.
Workers there were horrified to hear his abuse and promptly asked him to leave.
Such a shame I wasn't close by when he became an abusive bully.
Workers there were horrified to hear his abuse and promptly asked him to leave.
Such a shame I wasn't close by when he became an abusive bully.
In reply to Post #1459
Mexico....
Good luck with that one ...
Also...
How very surprising...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59968037
Mexico....
Good luck with that one ...
Also...
How very surprising...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59968037
In reply to Post #1466
What I saw was that 50/50 in for Covid vaxxed/unvaxed and only 12.5% unvaxed, hence the vax tax. Proportionally I can see the reasoning, but where does that all end up.
I thought in the land of leaf's, they had a system similar to our own NHS where everyone chips in? If I'm wrong on that count I'm wrong.
What I saw was that 50/50 in for Covid vaxxed/unvaxed and only 12.5% unvaxed, hence the vax tax. Proportionally I can see the reasoning, but where does that all end up.
I thought in the land of leaf's, they had a system similar to our own NHS where everyone chips in? If I'm wrong on that count I'm wrong.
129 587 cases, 398 deaths (highest since 24 Feb last year I think) and 2180 admissions (10th Jan).
In reply to Post #1474
398 deaths registered, having died between 28th December and yesterday. The recorded nhs fatalities for yesterday thus far is about 60.
have watched these figures throughout
398 deaths registered, having died between 28th December and yesterday. The recorded nhs fatalities for yesterday thus far is about 60.
have watched these figures throughout
In reply to Post #1475
398 is for a single day, posted on the Govt. Covid page.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
398 is for a single day, posted on the Govt. Covid page.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
In reply to Post #1476
The interactive map for case numbers makes from grim reading (viewing):
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/cases
(Sorry, I don't seem able to post clickable links)
The interactive map for case numbers makes from grim reading (viewing):
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/cases
(Sorry, I don't seem able to post clickable links)
In reply to Post #1476
Follow the link I posted to daily deaths. They are deaths that took place on all sorts of dates, Chris Whitty often mentions lags in recorded deaths from holidays and weekends... well this is a lag in recorded deaths which conveniently occurred when the numbers needed polishing
I'm sure the figures are for England and not the uk as a whole, but I've watched for 2 years the deaths being registered this way. You can maybe look back and days when 1000+ were dying, sometimes... it was a hundred or 2 for that day.
Follow the link I posted to daily deaths. They are deaths that took place on all sorts of dates, Chris Whitty often mentions lags in recorded deaths from holidays and weekends... well this is a lag in recorded deaths which conveniently occurred when the numbers needed polishing
I'm sure the figures are for England and not the uk as a whole, but I've watched for 2 years the deaths being registered this way. You can maybe look back and days when 1000+ were dying, sometimes... it was a hundred or 2 for that day.
In reply to Post #1476
Talking of the government, Bojo took a pasting today, which was expected, people moaned about Starmer, but as a clever lawyer he bided his time knowing full well Bojo was spinning so many lies he would trip himself up eventually, and when he did he'll be there waiting, and that's exactly what we saw today at PMQ's, and no matter what you think, that was definitely prime minister material on show
Talking of the government, Bojo took a pasting today, which was expected, people moaned about Starmer, but as a clever lawyer he bided his time knowing full well Bojo was spinning so many lies he would trip himself up eventually, and when he did he'll be there waiting, and that's exactly what we saw today at PMQ's, and no matter what you think, that was definitely prime minister material on show
In reply to Post #1478
Not sure tbh - everything on the page I posted is reported for a single date. It's the Govt. website - not sure what else I can say. In any case, all roads lead to Rome - and by that, I mean that when you add up all of the deaths for every single day since this started, then the numbers are going to be the same wherever you get them from (official numbers of course) - there's not going to be any double counting. I don't know why you need to insinuate that there's massaging of numbers going on, if that was the case then I doubt they'd be massaging them upwards!
Not sure tbh - everything on the page I posted is reported for a single date. It's the Govt. website - not sure what else I can say. In any case, all roads lead to Rome - and by that, I mean that when you add up all of the deaths for every single day since this started, then the numbers are going to be the same wherever you get them from (official numbers of course) - there's not going to be any double counting. I don't know why you need to insinuate that there's massaging of numbers going on, if that was the case then I doubt they'd be massaging them upwards!
In reply to Post #1479
To be honest has an MP or PM for that matter never lied before ?
They are all the same in it for number 1 and screw everyone else.
To be honest has an MP or PM for that matter never lied before ?
They are all the same in it for number 1 and screw everyone else.
In reply to Post #1476
The number of active cases is slowing, those serious, critical coming down so some positives 🤞
The number of active cases is slowing, those serious, critical coming down so some positives 🤞
In reply to Post #1482
Yes it is; however, caveat that with the fact that's there's been a shortage of tests. It's hospitalisations that are a more important metric.
Yes it is; however, caveat that with the fact that's there's been a shortage of tests. It's hospitalisations that are a more important metric.
Anyways, who's for cheese nibbles and wine? What wines do sirs like, red or white?
The absolute state of Boris. There's a thing that I like to watch every now and again called The Duran Report, it's quite a level headed take on things. One of the guys is an ex lawyer who's been both prosecution and defense in high court cases who has close friends in high up places, he says it's well known in the upper tier circles that Boris is lazy and a good time charlie.
My rods are back from Vic so I'll have to leave it here chaps and bid you a fair ye well for the meantime. Get your black armbands out for this sombre moment... I'm owft fishing, yay 😁 politics, sheesh.
The absolute state of Boris. There's a thing that I like to watch every now and again called The Duran Report, it's quite a level headed take on things. One of the guys is an ex lawyer who's been both prosecution and defense in high court cases who has close friends in high up places, he says it's well known in the upper tier circles that Boris is lazy and a good time charlie.
My rods are back from Vic so I'll have to leave it here chaps and bid you a fair ye well for the meantime. Get your black armbands out for this sombre moment... I'm owft fishing, yay 😁 politics, sheesh.
In reply to Post #1481
There are some good ones among the bad eggs, I genuinely believe not all of them are in it for themselves.
Thing is about all this, which seems to have gone under the radar, how are important people, able to make important decisions under the influence of alcohol? Since when is that acceptable??
There are some good ones among the bad eggs, I genuinely believe not all of them are in it for themselves.
Thing is about all this, which seems to have gone under the radar, how are important people, able to make important decisions under the influence of alcohol? Since when is that acceptable??
In reply to Post #1480
Yes, I'm saying that the total number of deaths is going to be the same regardless. But saying there were nigh on 400 deaths (from covid) yesterday is not accurate.
And the convenient part of the lag in deaths is because government was justifying it's leniency over Christmas with restrictions. Not implying they've held back deaths for the recent spike to materialise, but it's worked in their favour as usual.
Not going to get into webpage top trumps, but the nhs website has to be pretty reliable for figures regarding public health?
Yes, I'm saying that the total number of deaths is going to be the same regardless. But saying there were nigh on 400 deaths (from covid) yesterday is not accurate.
And the convenient part of the lag in deaths is because government was justifying it's leniency over Christmas with restrictions. Not implying they've held back deaths for the recent spike to materialise, but it's worked in their favour as usual.
Not going to get into webpage top trumps, but the nhs website has to be pretty reliable for figures regarding public health?
In reply to Post #1486
They don't. They say 400 deaths recorded within 28 days of a positive test. If you want to split hairs, anyone dying from or with covid after 28 days of the positive test is not recorded as a covid death. Funny how nobody from your side of the argument ever seems to mention this, they always seem preoccupied with people getting run over by buses.
They don't. They say 400 deaths recorded within 28 days of a positive test. If you want to split hairs, anyone dying from or with covid after 28 days of the positive test is not recorded as a covid death. Funny how nobody from your side of the argument ever seems to mention this, they always seem preoccupied with people getting run over by buses.
In reply to Post #1487
I don't know what you mean mate. I'm not saying the figures are any less than the government are saying they are
The way they are logged is not a day by day tally, it's deaths that could've occurred at any time before that date which haven't yet been recorded for whatever reason. Chris whitty often says as much himself.
I can't see what side of an argument I'm on here because I've not mention car crashes or anything?
The link I posted clearly shows on a graph deaths between the 28th dec and yesterday being reported, the number is the same I imagine as the government figures if you factor in the rest of the uk but it's not on a single day.
Not sure how many other ways to word it without being vilified
I don't know what you mean mate. I'm not saying the figures are any less than the government are saying they are
The way they are logged is not a day by day tally, it's deaths that could've occurred at any time before that date which haven't yet been recorded for whatever reason. Chris whitty often says as much himself.
I can't see what side of an argument I'm on here because I've not mention car crashes or anything?
The link I posted clearly shows on a graph deaths between the 28th dec and yesterday being reported, the number is the same I imagine as the government figures if you factor in the rest of the uk but it's not on a single day.
Not sure how many other ways to word it without being vilified
Seems its all starting to unravel.
EU regulators are now saying frequent Covid 19 boosters could damage your immune system and may well not be feasible.
S*** has hit the fan!
EU regulators are now saying frequent Covid 19 boosters could damage your immune system and may well not be feasible.
S*** has hit the fan!
In reply to Post #1488
I worded that badly - your side of the argument - that's ****, sorry. I meant, people who tend to want to diminish the overall deaths and minimise the disease. I won't trawl back through this thread but I think on occasion you might have done that. people trying to diminish the effects of covid, or make out that the govt are inflating the figures often quote that people who have covid but get run over by a bus are counted as covid deaths.
In the end, no matter how you count the data, the govt figures are slightly low compared to ONS, but ONS are quite close to excess deaths when adjusted for increasing average age over the years.
I worded that badly - your side of the argument - that's ****, sorry. I meant, people who tend to want to diminish the overall deaths and minimise the disease. I won't trawl back through this thread but I think on occasion you might have done that. people trying to diminish the effects of covid, or make out that the govt are inflating the figures often quote that people who have covid but get run over by a bus are counted as covid deaths.
In the end, no matter how you count the data, the govt figures are slightly low compared to ONS, but ONS are quite close to excess deaths when adjusted for increasing average age over the years.
In reply to Post #1489
I'm not sure what's about to unravel ?
As we get older our immune system becomes more damaged 😀
Any medication you take regularly has long term side effects.
What about all those folk who got covid before the vaccines and are still suffering. (Long Covid) unable to return to work like my brother in law ?
I'm not sure what's about to unravel ?
As we get older our immune system becomes more damaged 😀
Any medication you take regularly has long term side effects.
What about all those folk who got covid before the vaccines and are still suffering. (Long Covid) unable to return to work like my brother in law ?
In reply to Post #1487
Ah yes, that's a good point that often gets forgotten. Chances are that the figures are far higher, though we'll never really know. Suffice to say that what we do know / what we don't know - it's a big number that's caused suffering up and down the country, and beyond.
Ah yes, that's a good point that often gets forgotten. Chances are that the figures are far higher, though we'll never really know. Suffice to say that what we do know / what we don't know - it's a big number that's caused suffering up and down the country, and beyond.
In reply to Post #1487
Double Post.
Double Post.
In reply to Post #1492
People on social media have been saying "it's about to unravel" for the past 2 years, whether its covid related, or 5g related, reset related, and you know what? Nothing has
People on social media have been saying "it's about to unravel" for the past 2 years, whether its covid related, or 5g related, reset related, and you know what? Nothing has
https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/12/novak-djokovic-faces-fine-or-prison-for-breaking-isolation-while-covid-positive things going from bad to worse for Novak
Tim Tams secondment coming to an end in March.....Just need witty and his slides to be removed from the TV and people will no doubt start to feel happier again!!!
Saw a funny argument this morning.......Women nurse who is unvaccinated and being told she was a risk to patients......Women explained she was a risk, slightly more than someone vaccinated but her point was that if her patients are vaccinated then there is no further protection than that.......If Vaccination meant 0 chance then she could understand the argument for vaccination in the NHS but whilst there is still a chance then its a flawed argument......it all Went a bit quiet after that......
Saw a funny argument this morning.......Women nurse who is unvaccinated and being told she was a risk to patients......Women explained she was a risk, slightly more than someone vaccinated but her point was that if her patients are vaccinated then there is no further protection than that.......If Vaccination meant 0 chance then she could understand the argument for vaccination in the NHS but whilst there is still a chance then its a flawed argument......it all Went a bit quiet after that......
In reply to Post #1497
Is it a funny argument? I mean technically she is putting peoples lives in an increased risk by not having the vaccination.
She also works in a situation where she may well come across people with weakened immune systems, far more than we are ever likely to, so if you mix the 2 together you can argue it's more than a slight risk
Is it a funny argument? I mean technically she is putting peoples lives in an increased risk by not having the vaccination.
She also works in a situation where she may well come across people with weakened immune systems, far more than we are ever likely to, so if you mix the 2 together you can argue it's more than a slight risk
In reply to Post #1498
Its flawed like she said.......
Its flawed like she said.......
In reply to Post #1499
Oh ok, that nurse must be correct and the scientists are wrong
Oh ok, that nurse must be correct and the scientists are wrong
In reply to Post #1497
Stupid argument
She knows it's not 100 per cent effective for her patients too
Everyone knows it's about percentage reduction in illness and transmission
Not everyone is killed in road accidents as 3rd parties but it doesn't mean its ok for people to speed past schools does it?
Stupid argument
She knows it's not 100 per cent effective for her patients too
Everyone knows it's about percentage reduction in illness and transmission
Not everyone is killed in road accidents as 3rd parties but it doesn't mean its ok for people to speed past schools does it?
In reply to Post #1501
I suppose it wont be an issue soon, as itll be get a jab, or no work for the nurse
I suppose it wont be an issue soon, as itll be get a jab, or no work for the nurse
In reply to Post #1501
Stupid comparison Mal.....
Wont happen Andy.......
Stupid comparison Mal.....
Wont happen Andy.......
In reply to Post #1503
No it's not.
Maybe she can go work at Next. Or IKEA.
....
No it's not.
Maybe she can go work at Next. Or IKEA.
....
In reply to Post #1497
how does that even happen, was said nurse walking around with an un vaxxed badge on?
how does that even happen, was said nurse walking around with an un vaxxed badge on?
In reply to Post #1505
Maybe she had her 'I ❤ Novak' t shirt on...
Maybe she had her 'I ❤ Novak' t shirt on...
In reply to Post #1504
Your jabbed Mal.......that's as much protection as YOU can get......May, might or could doesn't offer you more protection.......
As for working at next or IKEA.......do they not realise with there stupid rule people who are ill with Covid will simply ring up with a bad back or stubbed toe.......
Your jabbed Mal.......that's as much protection as YOU can get......May, might or could doesn't offer you more protection.......
As for working at next or IKEA.......do they not realise with there stupid rule people who are ill with Covid will simply ring up with a bad back or stubbed toe.......
In reply to Post #1507
Nope.
I can be further protected by others reducing the risk of infecting me.
Which is the point you and others keep missing.
Just cause I've got my seat belt on doesn't mean I'm happy for you to drive into me..
Nope.
I can be further protected by others reducing the risk of infecting me.
Which is the point you and others keep missing.
Just cause I've got my seat belt on doesn't mean I'm happy for you to drive into me..
In reply to Post #1502
You have said these things a few times now and are even starting to come across as a little smug about it. I only hope that your family never suffers due to the NHS not having enough staff. I can assure you that if your family ever do need help you will not care if the doctors/nurses have had a jab or not.
This country fought wars so we can have a choice. If someone does not want a jab then that is their choice.
Losing your job for not having one is a despicable rule.
You have said these things a few times now and are even starting to come across as a little smug about it. I only hope that your family never suffers due to the NHS not having enough staff. I can assure you that if your family ever do need help you will not care if the doctors/nurses have had a jab or not.
This country fought wars so we can have a choice. If someone does not want a jab then that is their choice.
Losing your job for not having one is a despicable rule.
In reply to Post #1508
I can be further protected by others reducing the risk of infecting me.
I hear your point but Others might, others may, others could........you still caught CV recently Mal and you can bet your life it was from a double / triple jabbed student.......
you may well have seatbelt on but accidents happen still........Thats just a way of life im afraid.......
I can be further protected by others reducing the risk of infecting me.
I hear your point but Others might, others may, others could........you still caught CV recently Mal and you can bet your life it was from a double / triple jabbed student.......
you may well have seatbelt on but accidents happen still........Thats just a way of life im afraid.......
In reply to Post #1510
Who knows Wayne? It could've been from the unmasked unvaxxed 20 something vaping behind me at a cashpoint
I do know that I've done as much as I can to reduce the risk of me passing things on to those students
And yes accidents happen but they happen less if people take precautions
Who knows Wayne? It could've been from the unmasked unvaxxed 20 something vaping behind me at a cashpoint
I do know that I've done as much as I can to reduce the risk of me passing things on to those students
And yes accidents happen but they happen less if people take precautions
In reply to Post #1511
I like your assumption but you would have been better saying a 70yr old unvaxxed person behind you at the cashpoint....
The majority of unvaxxed is the over 70s from ethnic minoritys...........
I like your assumption but you would have been better saying a 70yr old unvaxxed person behind you at the cashpoint....
The majority of unvaxxed is the over 70s from ethnic minoritys...........
Living with it will mean catching it regularly. If this becomes a common occurrence there won't be a guy left unvaccinated.
uh-oh
uh-oh
In reply to Post #1512
Again. Not true.
And what makes you think I was working on an assumption.
Actual 20somethings talking about 'not getting any ****ing jab' whilst vaping behind me at a cashpoint... Real people- not imaginary antivax nurses...
Again. Not true.
And what makes you think I was working on an assumption.
Actual 20somethings talking about 'not getting any ****ing jab' whilst vaping behind me at a cashpoint... Real people- not imaginary antivax nurses...
In reply to Post #1509
Don't forget holidays, extreme pro vaccine advocates always like to mention holidays.. not just Andy
When the reality is the vaccinated and negative tested travellers have imported the variants into the country to begin with. I mean which is it, we are in a deadly pandemic where the well-being of the vulnerable is paramount.. or you need a fortnight in Benidorm?
Personally I think any travelling outside of work or family necessity, regardless of vaccine status, is more selfish than being unvaccinated and not attending pubs, clubs and events or boozy foreign jaunts.
Don't forget holidays, extreme pro vaccine advocates always like to mention holidays.. not just Andy
When the reality is the vaccinated and negative tested travellers have imported the variants into the country to begin with. I mean which is it, we are in a deadly pandemic where the well-being of the vulnerable is paramount.. or you need a fortnight in Benidorm?
Personally I think any travelling outside of work or family necessity, regardless of vaccine status, is more selfish than being unvaccinated and not attending pubs, clubs and events or boozy foreign jaunts.
In reply to Post #1513
'Covid d--k is a real thing... '
Yeah, he posts on here regularly...
'Covid d--k is a real thing... '
Yeah, he posts on here regularly...
In reply to Post #1509
Not smug about it, but if we turn it around, how would you feel if say a family member went into hospital and was treated by an unvaccinated doctor or nurse, then contracted covid from them and was in a bad way, bet you wouldn't be best pleased about it, especially now everyone has been offered the jab.
At the end of the day in a workplace environment under the health and safety act, everyone has a duty of care for themselves and the others around them, you could, and I'm not saying it is, but it could be seen as negligence
Not smug about it, but if we turn it around, how would you feel if say a family member went into hospital and was treated by an unvaccinated doctor or nurse, then contracted covid from them and was in a bad way, bet you wouldn't be best pleased about it, especially now everyone has been offered the jab.
At the end of the day in a workplace environment under the health and safety act, everyone has a duty of care for themselves and the others around them, you could, and I'm not saying it is, but it could be seen as negligence
In reply to Post #1517
The fact someone vaccinated can do the same in a hospital nulls that argument though.......
acceptable to some I imagine........
The fact someone vaccinated can do the same in a hospital nulls that argument though.......
acceptable to some I imagine........
In reply to Post #1518
Yes they can, but are less likely to than someone who isnt vaccinated, that's the point you dont grasp, or accept, and as I've already tried to explain, it's very very important in a healthcare environment, as more people will have already weakened immune systems. It's very clear it spreads in an hospital environment. Now under the health and safety at work act of protecting yourself, and others around you where reasonably practicable, and its reasonably practicable to have a vaccination for free, end of discussion
Yes they can, but are less likely to than someone who isnt vaccinated, that's the point you dont grasp, or accept, and as I've already tried to explain, it's very very important in a healthcare environment, as more people will have already weakened immune systems. It's very clear it spreads in an hospital environment. Now under the health and safety at work act of protecting yourself, and others around you where reasonably practicable, and its reasonably practicable to have a vaccination for free, end of discussion
In reply to Post #1519
Suppose my logic is different to yours! A chance is a chance........
Suppose my logic is different to yours! A chance is a chance........
In reply to Post #1518
Can... maybe... might.... may.....
Come on Wayne this is too easy
Can... maybe... might.... may.....
Come on Wayne this is too easy
In reply to Post #1517
Yes smug.
Let me give you our scenario as with what you are gloating over doesn't just effect front line staff.
My missis, works in a doctors, she works ‘out the back' ringing people up and booking in their smear tests. She has had two jabs but doesn't want the third as they both made her quite ill and we have just come out of quarantine due to having covid where she had a headache for about 3 hours! She got a phone call on Tuesday from her bosses asking her to book in her third jab to which she replied that she wasn't going to have it only for them to tell her that she wouldn't have a job come April.
Working out the back making phones calls..........now no job.
Turning the tables........... whenever you go to hospital, wether in the past, now or the future there will always be a risk of infection. I will always be pro - choice. It is up to you what you want to put into your body's as they are YOURS not anyone else's.
Yes smug.
Let me give you our scenario as with what you are gloating over doesn't just effect front line staff.
My missis, works in a doctors, she works ‘out the back' ringing people up and booking in their smear tests. She has had two jabs but doesn't want the third as they both made her quite ill and we have just come out of quarantine due to having covid where she had a headache for about 3 hours! She got a phone call on Tuesday from her bosses asking her to book in her third jab to which she replied that she wasn't going to have it only for them to tell her that she wouldn't have a job come April.
Working out the back making phones calls..........now no job.
Turning the tables........... whenever you go to hospital, wether in the past, now or the future there will always be a risk of infection. I will always be pro - choice. It is up to you what you want to put into your body's as they are YOURS not anyone else's.
In reply to Post #1522
But again she works in a place where there is more than likely to be people visiting who could well be quite ill, that's the issue, she maybe working 'out the back' but shes still there, no doubt walking around using toilets, making a cup of tea, or speaking to work colleagues.
Yes hospitals are risky places, and that's why the government want to mitigate those risks, and as I've already said it's where its reasonably practicable, and dont doctors and nurses have to be up to date on certain vaccines anyway to work??
Look it's up to your wife what she wants to do, shes already had 2 jabs, and felt like crap, as quite alot of people I know, but considering there is roughly 1.5 millions nhs staff and only about 6 percent not taking up the vaccine, I would say there are a lot of office staff who are fully vaccinated, even though they might not directly come into contact with patients
But again she works in a place where there is more than likely to be people visiting who could well be quite ill, that's the issue, she maybe working 'out the back' but shes still there, no doubt walking around using toilets, making a cup of tea, or speaking to work colleagues.
Yes hospitals are risky places, and that's why the government want to mitigate those risks, and as I've already said it's where its reasonably practicable, and dont doctors and nurses have to be up to date on certain vaccines anyway to work??
Look it's up to your wife what she wants to do, shes already had 2 jabs, and felt like crap, as quite alot of people I know, but considering there is roughly 1.5 millions nhs staff and only about 6 percent not taking up the vaccine, I would say there are a lot of office staff who are fully vaccinated, even though they might not directly come into contact with patients
Aussies have sent Novak packing
In reply to Post #1522
There is Lots of legal challenges already starting to be raised and hopefully a case is upheld allowing others to milk the cash cow!
There is Lots of legal challenges already starting to be raised and hopefully a case is upheld allowing others to milk the cash cow!
In reply to Post #1524
Quote... Aussies have sent Novak packing.
Good, I hope they deport him now. He's a grade A ****.
Fair play to the Aussies!
Quote... Aussies have sent Novak packing.
Good, I hope they deport him now. He's a grade A ****.
Fair play to the Aussies!
In reply to Post #1526
Not surprising when their doing what their doing.......Covid will hit them once they open the borders after delaying the inevitable for 2 years!
Not surprising when their doing what their doing.......Covid will hit them once they open the borders after delaying the inevitable for 2 years!
In reply to Post #1527
About 10k cases a day in NSW at the minute. Officials talking about accepting everyone will catch omicron and hoping for the best
About 10k cases a day in NSW at the minute. Officials talking about accepting everyone will catch omicron and hoping for the best
In reply to Post #1528
Just over 63k cases identified in NSW in the last 24 hours. It's pretty rampant here in NSW.
Just over 63k cases identified in NSW in the last 24 hours. It's pretty rampant here in NSW.
In reply to Post #1523
Nope. 98% of cases are now dealt with via video link and the other 2% are told to wait in the car park until the doctor comes out to get them. Toilets and staff room are private (staff only). She has zero contact with patients. You are right though in that she has contact with other staff members but even some of them are saying that if this does happen in April that even though they are triple vaxed they will leave. We are going to be in a real mess due to this. I only hope that the government sees sense.
Nope. 98% of cases are now dealt with via video link and the other 2% are told to wait in the car park until the doctor comes out to get them. Toilets and staff room are private (staff only). She has zero contact with patients. You are right though in that she has contact with other staff members but even some of them are saying that if this does happen in April that even though they are triple vaxed they will leave. We are going to be in a real mess due to this. I only hope that the government sees sense.
In reply to Post #1530
"I only hope that the government sees sense."
It's been over a decade.....what makes you think that they're going to start now?!?
"I only hope that the government sees sense."
It's been over a decade.....what makes you think that they're going to start now?!?
In reply to Post #1530
It maybe 98% are dealt with video link, but it wont be like that forever
It maybe 98% are dealt with video link, but it wont be like that forever
In reply to Post #1532
I'm not so sure Dave, apparently docs can nearly double the amount of patients they see in a day via video link compared to face to face. Unfortunately the days of seeing your doctor ‘in house' may well be over. Growing up we had a family doctor who knew us all but now we just see who ever is available. We didn't think that would happen but it did and has. Times have changed, technology has moved on and there are now far too many people for how many doctors we have.
Anyway, pointless argument now as she has decided to hand her notice in. The docs were 6 members of staff down with work distributed around who was left but now they will be even more short.
Life goes on........
I'm not so sure Dave, apparently docs can nearly double the amount of patients they see in a day via video link compared to face to face. Unfortunately the days of seeing your doctor ‘in house' may well be over. Growing up we had a family doctor who knew us all but now we just see who ever is available. We didn't think that would happen but it did and has. Times have changed, technology has moved on and there are now far too many people for how many doctors we have.
Anyway, pointless argument now as she has decided to hand her notice in. The docs were 6 members of staff down with work distributed around who was left but now they will be even more short.
Life goes on........
In reply to Post #1533
Again, my own personal experience with my own doctors was early on in the pandemic was video or telephone call, but back in the summer my particular doctors was back open as normal, I've yet to use the doctors during the omicron wave, but going on previous patterns, stands to reason that once the omicron wave subdues, then probably open as normal.
I hope your missus finds some work ok, and like you say life goes on
Again, my own personal experience with my own doctors was early on in the pandemic was video or telephone call, but back in the summer my particular doctors was back open as normal, I've yet to use the doctors during the omicron wave, but going on previous patterns, stands to reason that once the omicron wave subdues, then probably open as normal.
I hope your missus finds some work ok, and like you say life goes on
blatant discrimination.......
In reply to Post #1535
Lot of it about Wayne
Difference is that some people aren't victims of discrimination by choice eh?
Lot of it about Wayne
Difference is that some people aren't victims of discrimination by choice eh?
My youngest step-son has covid for the second time,he had it on the 17th October 2021 and now confirmed to have it again.He is nowhere near as ill this time,he has just got a sore throat and felt hot on the first day.It is crazy how inconsistent the schools/colleges are,my daughter goes to a high school in Cheshire East and can't return to school for 5 days,my eldest step-son can attend college as long as does a test everyday.
In reply to Post #1535
I'm actually ok with this. It's very much a customer facing role. They'll still get full pay if they get infected with covid themselves, which is more than fair in the circumstances.
With an average wage of 400-450 a week I'd just go and get a job elsewhere or make myself untraceable.
Would be a kick in the teeth if they were forced to isolate by being a close contact of somebody vaccinated though
I'm actually ok with this. It's very much a customer facing role. They'll still get full pay if they get infected with covid themselves, which is more than fair in the circumstances.
With an average wage of 400-450 a week I'd just go and get a job elsewhere or make myself untraceable.
Would be a kick in the teeth if they were forced to isolate by being a close contact of somebody vaccinated though
In reply to Post #1537
It's down to repeated vague guidance/ avoiding taking responsibility from government. The buck is passed to head teachers to make decisions so you get the various sets of 'rules' .
College rules do seem to be more relaxed than schools. Usually they have smaller class sizes so less bodies in the same room I guess
Hope he's OK 👍
It's down to repeated vague guidance/ avoiding taking responsibility from government. The buck is passed to head teachers to make decisions so you get the various sets of 'rules' .
College rules do seem to be more relaxed than schools. Usually they have smaller class sizes so less bodies in the same room I guess
Hope he's OK 👍
In reply to Post #1539
Yeah he's fine,like I say he is nowhere near as ill as the first time
Yeah he's fine,like I say he is nowhere near as ill as the first time
What we saying Novak staying or going? I reckon he'll stay again
In reply to Post #1536
Correct Mal, discrimination is discrimination though and not acceptable!
austria government has lost their mind........
Correct Mal, discrimination is discrimination though and not acceptable!
austria government has lost their mind........
In reply to Post #1541
Pinocchio is catching the first plane home, oh well I'm sure it won't make any difference to the tournament 👍🏼
Pinocchio is catching the first plane home, oh well I'm sure it won't make any difference to the tournament 👍🏼
In reply to Post #1542
It's about free choice Wayne
Novak made his. And then went about ignoring rules and telling lies. I'm afraid the poster boy for the anti vax movement is a very poor choice.
As I said. People are choosing to put themselves in an increasingly isolated position. It's a very different scenario than the real discrimination that goes on every day
It's about free choice Wayne
Novak made his. And then went about ignoring rules and telling lies. I'm afraid the poster boy for the anti vax movement is a very poor choice.
As I said. People are choosing to put themselves in an increasingly isolated position. It's a very different scenario than the real discrimination that goes on every day
In reply to Post #1544
Is it really a free choice nowadays though?
Get ready for Boris to withdraw mandatory vaccination for NHS staff to save his career.......
Is it really a free choice nowadays though?
Get ready for Boris to withdraw mandatory vaccination for NHS staff to save his career.......
In reply to Post #1545
Won't happen. His career is over already and the absolute **** storm that would ensue from the already sacked care sector means that there's no u turn for the NHS
What's that poem...?
First they came for...
The country sat by while the care sector was thrown under the bus. Now its on it return route . He likes buses does Boris..
Won't happen. His career is over already and the absolute **** storm that would ensue from the already sacked care sector means that there's no u turn for the NHS
What's that poem...?
First they came for...
The country sat by while the care sector was thrown under the bus. Now its on it return route . He likes buses does Boris..
In reply to Post #1546
I bet he does.......care home sector will relax the rules too......
I think it's time to declare CV as an endemic........everything has practically plateaued.......
I bet he does.......care home sector will relax the rules too......
I think it's time to declare CV as an endemic........everything has practically plateaued.......
In reply to Post #1547
Johnson and his out of control Tory government made the rules, voted through in parliament in December. A month ago. Javid pointed out that no care homes had closed due to the earlier mandatory vaccination order in care homes during the debate.
Get with reality for once instead of dreaming up your utopian shyte version.
Johnson and his out of control Tory government made the rules, voted through in parliament in December. A month ago. Javid pointed out that no care homes had closed due to the earlier mandatory vaccination order in care homes during the debate.
Get with reality for once instead of dreaming up your utopian shyte version.
In reply to Post #1548
I don't think it'll be reversed but can see short term problems to add to their existing woes.
My partner has a grandparent in a home with advanced Alzheimers who has been shielded at huge expense for 2 years, well his fully vaccinated carers have given him covid and he's on his very last of legs now 🤦🏻♂️
He can't understand why he can't breathe, needs treatment or who's doing it. Imagine trying to explain that he didn't see his own children because of covid but the vaccinated professional carers he has have now probably killed him 😡
I don't think it'll be reversed but can see short term problems to add to their existing woes.
My partner has a grandparent in a home with advanced Alzheimers who has been shielded at huge expense for 2 years, well his fully vaccinated carers have given him covid and he's on his very last of legs now 🤦🏻♂️
He can't understand why he can't breathe, needs treatment or who's doing it. Imagine trying to explain that he didn't see his own children because of covid but the vaccinated professional carers he has have now probably killed him 😡
In reply to Post #1549
Everyone will have true stories of pain and hardship during this **** storm mate. Whilst Johnson and Co whoop it up.
Before COVID was even a thing my sister in laws brother was viciously beaten with a weapon at a party within an inch of his life, 25. Never out of a coma since it happened. The guy got 9 year's.
They moved this kid from hospital to hospital during the highest points of this pandemic to keep him safe. He eventually couldn't fight anymore and passed away.
No COVID on his death certificate thankfully, the bully that's in jail has recently been re interviewed by the police and they're preparing new charge's so I'm told.
Good and good on the NHS for keeping him safe.
Everyone will have true stories of pain and hardship during this **** storm mate. Whilst Johnson and Co whoop it up.
Before COVID was even a thing my sister in laws brother was viciously beaten with a weapon at a party within an inch of his life, 25. Never out of a coma since it happened. The guy got 9 year's.
They moved this kid from hospital to hospital during the highest points of this pandemic to keep him safe. He eventually couldn't fight anymore and passed away.
No COVID on his death certificate thankfully, the bully that's in jail has recently been re interviewed by the police and they're preparing new charge's so I'm told.
Good and good on the NHS for keeping him safe.
In reply to Post #1550
I'm so sorry mate, that's horrific. Sadly, I don't think any review of the sentence handed down will be satisfactory but the more time added on, the better 👍🏻
I'm just glad I took little to no notice of the ‘rules' dreamt up by the government. (Meeting with friends and family, not masks which I still wear if required)
Makes you wonder, the first plan of attack was herd immunity (advised by whitty and vallance) which was shot down in the media and we ended up locked down.
Did government know all along they were statistically safe to get on the grog and nosebag every Friday, adding restrictions on younger healthier adults simply to appease the public?
It certainly wasn't policed at all round my way, only where pickings were easy it seems.
I'm so sorry mate, that's horrific. Sadly, I don't think any review of the sentence handed down will be satisfactory but the more time added on, the better 👍🏻
I'm just glad I took little to no notice of the ‘rules' dreamt up by the government. (Meeting with friends and family, not masks which I still wear if required)
Makes you wonder, the first plan of attack was herd immunity (advised by whitty and vallance) which was shot down in the media and we ended up locked down.
Did government know all along they were statistically safe to get on the grog and nosebag every Friday, adding restrictions on younger healthier adults simply to appease the public?
It certainly wasn't policed at all round my way, only where pickings were easy it seems.
In reply to Post #1549
I can see more than short term problems Jon........your partners grandparent is an example of the stupidity that NHS must be vaccinated too......
Suppose we will just have to lap it up like the energy prices, possible rules still in place and being neighbours with that nut job Jimmy cranky!
I can see more than short term problems Jon........your partners grandparent is an example of the stupidity that NHS must be vaccinated too......
Suppose we will just have to lap it up like the energy prices, possible rules still in place and being neighbours with that nut job Jimmy cranky!
In reply to Post #1551
Herd immunity with a totally new virus? Didn't go well for the Aztecs with 80% dead before they achieved it. I don't believe they knew definitively, the arrogance of the Johnson Tory government was always going to come to the fore though.
The longer this guy's rotting in jail mate will do for me
Herd immunity with a totally new virus? Didn't go well for the Aztecs with 80% dead before they achieved it. I don't believe they knew definitively, the arrogance of the Johnson Tory government was always going to come to the fore though.
The longer this guy's rotting in jail mate will do for me
In reply to Post #1553
It wasn't my idea, it was sir next slide a lot
Do you think 80% of people would've died if we allowed the young and healthy to catch covid?
With any luck he'll have a tough time of it in there
It wasn't my idea, it was sir next slide a lot
Do you think 80% of people would've died if we allowed the young and healthy to catch covid?
With any luck he'll have a tough time of it in there
In reply to Post #1554
Nope...it would have been shocking figures in a short space of time but not really anymore than where we are now as a total sadly.......
Nope...it would have been shocking figures in a short space of time but not really anymore than where we are now as a total sadly.......
In reply to Post #1555
That **** Boris has to go, I know the tories don't have a much better replacement but cross that bridge when we get to it, get that shaggy haired disrespectful, lying **** out.
That **** Boris has to go, I know the tories don't have a much better replacement but cross that bridge when we get to it, get that shaggy haired disrespectful, lying **** out.
In reply to Post #1556
He and the rest of those who were knowingly breaking lockdown rules.
Starmer should use his pmq allocation to simply ask 'when are you resigning?'
He and the rest of those who were knowingly breaking lockdown rules.
Starmer should use his pmq allocation to simply ask 'when are you resigning?'
In reply to Post #1557
He can't say too much, he was at it too.
He can't say too much, he was at it too.
In reply to Post #1558
Very very different. And a complete cynical Distraction.
It was in a whole different stage in the Pandemic. A year later than the harsh lockdown of 2020.
Different levels of social distancing. It was AFTER 'eat out to help out'. After 'get back to the office you plebs' and after Johnson said 'let the bodies pile high'.
It was a takeaway in a late night work environment in April
And he had a beer.
IF that's the best they have as a counter attack against Johnson and his staff partying in Number 10 all throughout the first lockdown then it just shows how desperate they must be.
Very very different. And a complete cynical Distraction.
It was in a whole different stage in the Pandemic. A year later than the harsh lockdown of 2020.
Different levels of social distancing. It was AFTER 'eat out to help out'. After 'get back to the office you plebs' and after Johnson said 'let the bodies pile high'.
It was a takeaway in a late night work environment in April
And he had a beer.
IF that's the best they have as a counter attack against Johnson and his staff partying in Number 10 all throughout the first lockdown then it just shows how desperate they must be.
In reply to Post #1559
Exactly that
And the TV licence...
utterly pathetic attempt at trying to win friends. Energy bills looking to increase by 1200 quid a year and they want a pat on the back over 13 quid a month.
It's just another nothing gesture from a failing government. The equivalent of a bunch of garage forecourt flowers bought on the way home when you forgot your wedding anniversary because you were busy with your secretary....
Exactly that
And the TV licence...
utterly pathetic attempt at trying to win friends. Energy bills looking to increase by 1200 quid a year and they want a pat on the back over 13 quid a month.
It's just another nothing gesture from a failing government. The equivalent of a bunch of garage forecourt flowers bought on the way home when you forgot your wedding anniversary because you were busy with your secretary....
In reply to Post #1560
Not everyone is a rich as you Mal. £13 a month for some people on benefits is a lot of money.
I'm not saying the BBC shouldn't be funded but a concept devised in 1924 needs an overhaul.
Not everyone is a rich as you Mal. £13 a month for some people on benefits is a lot of money.
I'm not saying the BBC shouldn't be funded but a concept devised in 1924 needs an overhaul.
In reply to Post #1561
I'm hardly rich Bob - I'm a teacher!
But I do know what you're saying. And I'm not dismissing any form of financial hardship. Quite the opposite
My point is that it's just another crap distraction tactic. Cutting vat on fuel bills would save a damn sight more than the lack of increase to the 13 pound TV licence fee.
I'm hardly rich Bob - I'm a teacher!
But I do know what you're saying. And I'm not dismissing any form of financial hardship. Quite the opposite
My point is that it's just another crap distraction tactic. Cutting vat on fuel bills would save a damn sight more than the lack of increase to the 13 pound TV licence fee.
In reply to Post #1562
Maybe they'll pick a moment to cut the vat on fuel at an optimum time when it suits their action plan to regain popularity?
The argument against a vat cut is those rich people with heated swimming pools stand to make the biggest savings.
Maybe they can upset Greta and cut the green element from our bills?
mmm that's got me thinking I wonder if she lives in a cold house?
I don't know the answers by the way.
Maybe they'll pick a moment to cut the vat on fuel at an optimum time when it suits their action plan to regain popularity?
The argument against a vat cut is those rich people with heated swimming pools stand to make the biggest savings.
Maybe they can upset Greta and cut the green element from our bills?
mmm that's got me thinking I wonder if she lives in a cold house?
I don't know the answers by the way.
In reply to Post #1562
Well, financial hardship for the masses and Tory Governments go hand in hand, don't they? Whilst Dorries rolls out her desperate attempt at distraction, she previously voted for:
A personal allowance freeze.
A public sector pay freeze.
A National Insurance rise.
A Universal Credit cut.
A council tax hike.
The situation with energy costs is going to bite very hard - so saving £13 on a licence fee simply doesn't compensate for any of the above. Its pure gesture politics from this shameless woman who at one point was employing her daughter and paying her from the public purse. She is an absolute leech, and it's a wonder that anybody sees fit to vote for her.
However, as suggested, it's all a smokescreen; an attempt to keep the right wing media barons on side, distract from the party scandals. They've also rolled out the Navy to police migrants in the Channel, which won't make a blind bit of difference in practice, but it serves it's purpose - to distract. Meanwhile rights to protest are being diminished, and all things combined paves the way for these incompetents to distance themselves from accountability to the electorate and push the UK further towards a totalitarianism.
Well, financial hardship for the masses and Tory Governments go hand in hand, don't they? Whilst Dorries rolls out her desperate attempt at distraction, she previously voted for:
A personal allowance freeze.
A public sector pay freeze.
A National Insurance rise.
A Universal Credit cut.
A council tax hike.
The situation with energy costs is going to bite very hard - so saving £13 on a licence fee simply doesn't compensate for any of the above. Its pure gesture politics from this shameless woman who at one point was employing her daughter and paying her from the public purse. She is an absolute leech, and it's a wonder that anybody sees fit to vote for her.
However, as suggested, it's all a smokescreen; an attempt to keep the right wing media barons on side, distract from the party scandals. They've also rolled out the Navy to police migrants in the Channel, which won't make a blind bit of difference in practice, but it serves it's purpose - to distract. Meanwhile rights to protest are being diminished, and all things combined paves the way for these incompetents to distance themselves from accountability to the electorate and push the UK further towards a totalitarianism.
In reply to Post #1560
The full motive for the TV license debate was part of operation red meat, which was to throw a load of policy announcements out which would bolster support for boris from his back benches. Those right wing lunatics love things like sonic cannons to deter immigrants, and defund the 'left wing' BBC. This was all part of operation save big dog - which was to save Boris from his own party.
edit: The Dorries thing backfired spectacularly, because she is thick as mince.
The full motive for the TV license debate was part of operation red meat, which was to throw a load of policy announcements out which would bolster support for boris from his back benches. Those right wing lunatics love things like sonic cannons to deter immigrants, and defund the 'left wing' BBC. This was all part of operation save big dog - which was to save Boris from his own party.
edit: The Dorries thing backfired spectacularly, because she is thick as mince.
In reply to Post #1564
Precisely RKB. She keeps telling everyone she's a scouser as well... try going back love.
Precisely RKB. She keeps telling everyone she's a scouser as well... try going back love.
In reply to Post #1563
Hmmmm
That opportune moment...
Just before the mp's pay rise is about to kick in maybe...?
Rkb, VLT, yep and yep
'Thick as mince '
And of course it's not a saving of 13 quid per month. It's a saving of what the increase would have been.. .. .
Hmmmm
That opportune moment...
Just before the mp's pay rise is about to kick in maybe...?
Rkb, VLT, yep and yep
'Thick as mince '
And of course it's not a saving of 13 quid per month. It's a saving of what the increase would have been.. .. .
In reply to Post #1567
The guardian I know but interesting Ay Mal.......I so
Hope this knee jerk decision gets reversed........
The guardian I know but interesting Ay Mal.......I so
Hope this knee jerk decision gets reversed........
In reply to Post #1568
Yep interesting - you'll get that from the guardian rather than Facebook...
Thing is Wayne, I don't necessarily disagree with you entirely. As I have posted, my sister was one of those care staff who was sacked (her clinical exemption was not on the government list) so I've seen the first hand effect.
She tested before each shift and took time off when she was very ill with the early covid variant.
But...
Those who are in direct and regular contact with the most vulnerable- be that down to age, health, low immunity- and still choose for non clinical / medical reasons to not be vaccinated are putting others at risk.
It's not totalitarian mandatory vaccination. It's logical employment conditions to protect 'clients' (not the ideal word but hopefully you see my point)
If they were to u turn for the NHS staff then there are two issues - the disparity with care staff and the ongoing risk to vulnerable patients
Peace and love
Yep interesting - you'll get that from the guardian rather than Facebook...
Thing is Wayne, I don't necessarily disagree with you entirely. As I have posted, my sister was one of those care staff who was sacked (her clinical exemption was not on the government list) so I've seen the first hand effect.
She tested before each shift and took time off when she was very ill with the early covid variant.
But...
Those who are in direct and regular contact with the most vulnerable- be that down to age, health, low immunity- and still choose for non clinical / medical reasons to not be vaccinated are putting others at risk.
It's not totalitarian mandatory vaccination. It's logical employment conditions to protect 'clients' (not the ideal word but hopefully you see my point)
If they were to u turn for the NHS staff then there are two issues - the disparity with care staff and the ongoing risk to vulnerable patients
Peace and love
In reply to Post #1568
70,000 could remain unvaccinated by the 1st April,can you imagine the **** state the country would be in if they all lost their jobs.
70,000 could remain unvaccinated by the 1st April,can you imagine the **** state the country would be in if they all lost their jobs.
In reply to Post #1569
Care staff I totally understand as generally their working with the elderly and vulnerable (most at risk) in a hospital you could be dealing with various people......midwives for instance......working with much lower risk patients, ICU staff on the other hand could be dealing with Covid patients so risk is nothing as they are already hospitalised.
Yes Tony!! Add the current 40k jobs available and it's dead.......worse pressure than CV has ever put the NHS under!
Care staff I totally understand as generally their working with the elderly and vulnerable (most at risk) in a hospital you could be dealing with various people......midwives for instance......working with much lower risk patients, ICU staff on the other hand could be dealing with Covid patients so risk is nothing as they are already hospitalised.
Yes Tony!! Add the current 40k jobs available and it's dead.......worse pressure than CV has ever put the NHS under!
In reply to Post #1569
It's in a few years time when the majority have zero antibody levels remaining and we're still trying to rectify the immigration brain fart of brexit, on top of having ousted 10s of 000s of unvaccinated staff that I worry about.
People won't forget the vitriol from either side when these vaccinations all stop. As far as I'm aware, neither the virus nor vaccines have killed everybody and after 3 Pfizer jabs we still can't get a 5g signal from my missus
It's in a few years time when the majority have zero antibody levels remaining and we're still trying to rectify the immigration brain fart of brexit, on top of having ousted 10s of 000s of unvaccinated staff that I worry about.
People won't forget the vitriol from either side when these vaccinations all stop. As far as I'm aware, neither the virus nor vaccines have killed everybody and after 3 Pfizer jabs we still can't get a 5g signal from my missus
In reply to Post #1571
You'd be shocked at the current state in the care sector... dangerous levels of understaffing, double shifts being worked by already exhausted staff, basic requirements for qualified nurses on floors / shifts not being met... like I said, the country stood by and let it happen
As for your different departments in hospital settings... they all use the same canteen / lift / loo ... an airborne virus doesn't obey ward restrictions...
You'd be shocked at the current state in the care sector... dangerous levels of understaffing, double shifts being worked by already exhausted staff, basic requirements for qualified nurses on floors / shifts not being met... like I said, the country stood by and let it happen
As for your different departments in hospital settings... they all use the same canteen / lift / loo ... an airborne virus doesn't obey ward restrictions...
In reply to Post #1573
True, guess those paper masks are useless then......
My daughter is out tonight on her first shift with the ambulance service......they gave her a mask that looks like something you would wear at Chernobyl........
Jon.......
True, guess those paper masks are useless then......
My daughter is out tonight on her first shift with the ambulance service......they gave her a mask that looks like something you would wear at Chernobyl........
Jon.......
In reply to Post #1572
Its all about the T cells Noj, those that have been infected will have some sort of immunity for life. T cells never forget a previous infection of any disease.
In other news some one has asked for a FOI on people registered of actually having died OF covid, its only upto Q3 21 but very interesting, id wager there's been more suicides'
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses?s=08
Its all about the T cells Noj, those that have been infected will have some sort of immunity for life. T cells never forget a previous infection of any disease.
In other news some one has asked for a FOI on people registered of actually having died OF covid, its only upto Q3 21 but very interesting, id wager there's been more suicides'
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses?s=08
In reply to Post #1575
some sort of immunity yes, can't be that good though as hasn't Wayne had it about 3 times already!?
BTW you know preexisting conditions includes stuff like diabetes, hypertension etc...that's a big chunk of the population...
some sort of immunity yes, can't be that good though as hasn't Wayne had it about 3 times already!?
BTW you know preexisting conditions includes stuff like diabetes, hypertension etc...that's a big chunk of the population...
In reply to Post #1576
Of course i do, but its still vastly different to what's being reported and what we are getting rammed in our faces every day for the last 2 years. I've seen the negative effect those and other reports have had on people. My healthy 65 year old MIL still rarely leaves the house through fear. she canceled christmas for 18 people on Christmas eve because she couldn't deal with the worry
I mean is not a couple of thousand out is it, even if that figure on the ONS link was 100k, there's still 75% more deaths being "reported"
Of course i do, but its still vastly different to what's being reported and what we are getting rammed in our faces every day for the last 2 years. I've seen the negative effect those and other reports have had on people. My healthy 65 year old MIL still rarely leaves the house through fear. she canceled christmas for 18 people on Christmas eve because she couldn't deal with the worry
I mean is not a couple of thousand out is it, even if that figure on the ONS link was 100k, there's still 75% more deaths being "reported"
In reply to Post #1576
Young lad I've been working with is thin fit and 23
He's in hospital right now with his 2nd infection.
A month or so ago I asked him about jabs. He said he wasn't sure about them.
He just wanted to give it longer. Especially as he had already caught it and didn't get very ill and didn't consider himself at any risk.
His Dad said he has been in since Sunday.
Young lad I've been working with is thin fit and 23
He's in hospital right now with his 2nd infection.
A month or so ago I asked him about jabs. He said he wasn't sure about them.
He just wanted to give it longer. Especially as he had already caught it and didn't get very ill and didn't consider himself at any risk.
His Dad said he has been in since Sunday.
In reply to Post #1578
23 is young and is a very very very rare occurence to end up in hospital.............
Only twice Tom........
23 is young and is a very very very rare occurence to end up in hospital.............
Only twice Tom........
In reply to Post #1579
you say that Wayne but i hear about more people knowing a under 30 being in hospital, than ive heard about people saying they know someone thats died of covid
you say that Wayne but i hear about more people knowing a under 30 being in hospital, than ive heard about people saying they know someone thats died of covid
In reply to Post #1580
It does not matter anymore,lock the thread it's all over.As from the 24th March no need to isolate even if you have Covid according to Boris.
It does not matter anymore,lock the thread it's all over.As from the 24th March no need to isolate even if you have Covid according to Boris.
In reply to Post #1580
Being in hospital for short stay Ben........they don't end up in ICU.......
Good news Tony!
Being in hospital for short stay Ben........they don't end up in ICU.......
Good news Tony!
In reply to Post #1582
Excellent news,now what is next on the agenda to discuss
Excellent news,now what is next on the agenda to discuss
In reply to Post #1582
My point still stands though. And I admit it's very anecdotal but, Ive heard of more young people ending up in hospital than the one person Ive heard of dying (my next door neighbours friend).
For something that doesn't affect the young (under 45s) I've heard a lot of people ending up in hospital
I'm pretty sure you have said you don't know anyone to have died, but you've ended up in hospital yourself, have you or anyone you know ended up in hospital for flu?
My point still stands though. And I admit it's very anecdotal but, Ive heard of more young people ending up in hospital than the one person Ive heard of dying (my next door neighbours friend).
For something that doesn't affect the young (under 45s) I've heard a lot of people ending up in hospital
I'm pretty sure you have said you don't know anyone to have died, but you've ended up in hospital yourself, have you or anyone you know ended up in hospital for flu?
In reply to Post #1581
Is that right braders? I didn't hear that bit.
Although if Boris said it..
Remember when the Conservative party was a group of people that were voted for rather than an event that broke rules / laws?
Positive announcement today though - of course. That need to appease is very strong
Is that right braders? I didn't hear that bit.
Although if Boris said it..
Remember when the Conservative party was a group of people that were voted for rather than an event that broke rules / laws?
Positive announcement today though - of course. That need to appease is very strong
In reply to Post #1583
Let's discuss how the conspiracists theories of lockdown and control has completely been blown apart on the last 6 weeks
Let's discuss how the conspiracists theories of lockdown and control has completely been blown apart on the last 6 weeks
I wish Moo was still around, I'd love to hear his version of how the last 2-3 months have unfolded. I wonder if Noddy is in some conspiracy theorist version of the priory, being un groomed as we speak
In reply to Post #1587
They are probably thinking they've saved the world by uncovering Bill Gates secret plan and making him pull the plug on the nwo.
They are probably thinking they've saved the world by uncovering Bill Gates secret plan and making him pull the plug on the nwo.
In reply to Post #1588
You joke but that's probably not too far from what they are thinking
You joke but that's probably not too far from what they are thinking
Lol
So if you catch covid after March 24th you won't be able to get a test to know if it is covid and no measures will be in place for financial support if you feel a moral obligation to isolate.
The figures were reported in such a way as to justify the freedoms Boris' soirées forced his hand to grant today, even though they were no worse than those we were conditioned to fear until now.
So theoretically, if you caught suspected covid, who will be self isolating at their own cost?
Oh and good luck tomorrow, Mal. Let us know what percentage of kids still wear a mask..
6 kids in my sons class off with covid so our guess is at least 6 more without symptoms, but one of the original 6 is actually on holiday
So if you catch covid after March 24th you won't be able to get a test to know if it is covid and no measures will be in place for financial support if you feel a moral obligation to isolate.
The figures were reported in such a way as to justify the freedoms Boris' soirées forced his hand to grant today, even though they were no worse than those we were conditioned to fear until now.
So theoretically, if you caught suspected covid, who will be self isolating at their own cost?
Oh and good luck tomorrow, Mal. Let us know what percentage of kids still wear a mask..
6 kids in my sons class off with covid so our guess is at least 6 more without symptoms, but one of the original 6 is actually on holiday
In reply to Post #1590
It's been less this time round. I think some still will which is all good for them.
We've definitely been hit with staff isolating- here's hoping that settles down a bit once we've all had it!
It's been less this time round. I think some still will which is all good for them.
We've definitely been hit with staff isolating- here's hoping that settles down a bit once we've all had it!
In reply to Post #1590
Yer my daughter said that her friends are actually on holiday rather than isolating.......feel like I have missed a trick 😝
Yer my daughter said that her friends are actually on holiday rather than isolating.......feel like I have missed a trick 😝
Day Plan B implemented, 7413 in hospital with COVID, 120 deaths.
Plan B scrapped, 18979 in hospital with Covid, 359 deaths.
Science?
Plan B scrapped, 18979 in hospital with Covid, 359 deaths.
Science?
In reply to Post #1593
No science... desperate politics
I had a class today with more kids absent than actually in the class... but masks not needed any more...
No science... desperate politics
I had a class today with more kids absent than actually in the class... but masks not needed any more...
In reply to Post #1594
That is **** all do with covid,they just didn't want listen to you boring them for an hour
That is **** all do with covid,they just didn't want listen to you boring them for an hour
In reply to Post #1594
Or saving face because any restrictions would just be ignored after they got caught with their pants down.
I struggle to understand why people are unhappy about the situation, they're saying you don't HAVE to wear a mask or isolate when infected etc. Not that you can't if you feel obliged or can afford to.
I've spent my life doing the opposite of what society, government and the police want so it's no change for me either way
Or saving face because any restrictions would just be ignored after they got caught with their pants down.
I struggle to understand why people are unhappy about the situation, they're saying you don't HAVE to wear a mask or isolate when infected etc. Not that you can't if you feel obliged or can afford to.
I've spent my life doing the opposite of what society, government and the police want so it's no change for me either way
In reply to Post #1595
Left that one open for you eh?
Noj- fair point. But let's not kid ourselves into thinking the announcements are anything other than an attempt at spin to try and save Boris. They relaxed the restrictions because they knew they'd never get the support of enough mp's to extend them in a vote
Left that one open for you eh?
Noj- fair point. But let's not kid ourselves into thinking the announcements are anything other than an attempt at spin to try and save Boris. They relaxed the restrictions because they knew they'd never get the support of enough mp's to extend them in a vote
In reply to Post #1597
I agree mate, it's cringeworthy. As sun dance points out the data they are using to justify the easing is worse or equivalent to that which kept us in limbo too, only now they are publishing the figures for people in hospital who have tested positive without detrimental health impact and implying some of those dying within 28 days of testing positive would be likely to have died naturally anyway. It's making a mockery of their previous messages and will be like curry to a piss head for the antivax and conspiracy loons
I agree mate, it's cringeworthy. As sun dance points out the data they are using to justify the easing is worse or equivalent to that which kept us in limbo too, only now they are publishing the figures for people in hospital who have tested positive without detrimental health impact and implying some of those dying within 28 days of testing positive would be likely to have died naturally anyway. It's making a mockery of their previous messages and will be like curry to a piss head for the antivax and conspiracy loons
In reply to Post #1596
Ah. Let me help. When implementing Public Health policy
It is.about the numbers. NOT the individual. Whatever protection a vulnerable or just unlucky individual gets from working from social distancing, mask wearing, and isolating on infection, only works when the majority are doing it.
Ah. Let me help. When implementing Public Health policy
It is.about the numbers. NOT the individual. Whatever protection a vulnerable or just unlucky individual gets from working from social distancing, mask wearing, and isolating on infection, only works when the majority are doing it.
In reply to Post #1593
This is true but in fairness to them, the numbers were on the rise and severity of Omicron was unknown at the time and when they dropped restrictions the numbers were in decline.
But in principle I agree they have been a bit quick in dropping restrictions, and we all know why that is.
This is true but in fairness to them, the numbers were on the rise and severity of Omicron was unknown at the time and when they dropped restrictions the numbers were in decline.
But in principle I agree they have been a bit quick in dropping restrictions, and we all know why that is.
In reply to Post #1600
RIP Meatloaf.
It really was a bat out of hell !
RIP Meatloaf.
It really was a bat out of hell !
In reply to Post #1601
No,it was a bat out of China
No,it was a bat out of China
"I will do anything for love. But I won't do Vax"
So when we put restrictions in place number 10 have a party, whereas New Zealand put restrictions in place and their prime minister cancels her wedding, that is what a proper leader looks like
In reply to Post #1604
they all knew it wasn't that bad for them to catch CV and the fear press conferences were for the masses to tow the line........worked well didn't it......
they all knew it wasn't that bad for them to catch CV and the fear press conferences were for the masses to tow the line........worked well didn't it......
In reply to Post #1605
5.5 million poor souls will probably disagree with you
5.5 million poor souls will probably disagree with you
In reply to Post #1604
It's called integrity
Johnson and Co wouldn't know much about that...
I heard a laughable attack on Dominic Cummings on the radio this week along the lines of 'if he knew about the parties why didn't he say anything until now.. ?'
Strikes me that lots of people still being paid by the likes of you and I knew about all of the parties all this time...
Perhaps they could have said something eh? Or even not lied about it all when they get found out. Its embarrassing
Nice to see liz truss telling putin to back down I'm sure he **** himself. I expect raab is lacking his lips at the prospect of a bit of a war to get involved in. Always a vote winner a foreign war eh?
It's called integrity
Johnson and Co wouldn't know much about that...
I heard a laughable attack on Dominic Cummings on the radio this week along the lines of 'if he knew about the parties why didn't he say anything until now.. ?'
Strikes me that lots of people still being paid by the likes of you and I knew about all of the parties all this time...
Perhaps they could have said something eh? Or even not lied about it all when they get found out. Its embarrassing
Nice to see liz truss telling putin to back down I'm sure he **** himself. I expect raab is lacking his lips at the prospect of a bit of a war to get involved in. Always a vote winner a foreign war eh?
In reply to Post #1604
Marriage is an irrelevant outdated bit of paper anyway. Probably did her a favour.
As for the restrictions, they'll still be in place in 100 years if she carries on like this.
Marriage is an irrelevant outdated bit of paper anyway. Probably did her a favour.
As for the restrictions, they'll still be in place in 100 years if she carries on like this.
In reply to Post #1608
Stop it you old romantic
Stop it you old romantic
In reply to Post #1605
So Johnson's trip to intensive care with COVID-19 was all part of the scam?
as always.
So Johnson's trip to intensive care with COVID-19 was all part of the scam?
as always.
In reply to Post #1609
Spot the poster from a broken home lol
Spot the poster from a broken home lol
In reply to Post #1611
Isn't that tazi?
Maybe his is a different kind of broken home...
Isn't that tazi?
Maybe his is a different kind of broken home...
In reply to Post #1606
Yeah........5.49 million less pensions for governments to pay though........
Yeah........5.49 million less pensions for governments to pay though........
In reply to Post #1608
Shes done a pretty decent job in protecting the people of new Zealand
Shes done a pretty decent job in protecting the people of new Zealand
In reply to Post #1614
Did you type that in an English-Maori creole pre edit?
It must be a tough job as an ancestor of or direct European immigrant into a country who's indigenous residents have been demonised, raped, pillaged, introduced to alcohol and drugs, suffered from imported disease and been introduced to a high sugar and fat processed food diet which put them in direct danger from covid.
If she was that bothered about New Zealand she'd pack herself and her white pals cases and **** off
Did you type that in an English-Maori creole pre edit?
It must be a tough job as an ancestor of or direct European immigrant into a country who's indigenous residents have been demonised, raped, pillaged, introduced to alcohol and drugs, suffered from imported disease and been introduced to a high sugar and fat processed food diet which put them in direct danger from covid.
If she was that bothered about New Zealand she'd pack herself and her white pals cases and **** off
In reply to Post #1613
But happy to pay billions in furlough. Sort of negates your point doesn't it?
But happy to pay billions in furlough. Sort of negates your point doesn't it?
In reply to Post #1615
Why are you so triggered by her?
Why are you so triggered by her?
In reply to Post #1610
Normally ignore you........
So Johnson's trip to intensive care with COVID-19 was all part of the scam
Who gives a ****........he had the parties and risked it.......
As for Miss ghani.......oh do **** off love........you sound like that melt of a Cricketer .......
Normally ignore you........
So Johnson's trip to intensive care with COVID-19 was all part of the scam
Who gives a ****........he had the parties and risked it.......
As for Miss ghani.......oh do **** off love........you sound like that melt of a Cricketer .......
In reply to Post #1617
I'm not.
I just don't think that European settlers are good for anyone but European settlers.
Maybe your virtue ends with covid and human rights or cultural history mean nothing?
I'm not.
I just don't think that European settlers are good for anyone but European settlers.
Maybe your virtue ends with covid and human rights or cultural history mean nothing?
In reply to Post #1619
Clearly you are for some strange reason, citing stuff that's happened many many years ago, pretending that you care, it wont wash with me unfortunately, but the crux of it is, they have shown the rest of Europe how to handle a crisis
Clearly you are for some strange reason, citing stuff that's happened many many years ago, pretending that you care, it wont wash with me unfortunately, but the crux of it is, they have shown the rest of Europe how to handle a crisis
In reply to Post #1620
They have kept cases down by doing what the indigenous kiwis and Aussies should've done to them and shut the borders.
Am I no longer allowed to be angry about the Holocaust because it happened ages ago? What a ridiculous outlook you have
They have kept cases down by doing what the indigenous kiwis and Aussies should've done to them and shut the borders.
Am I no longer allowed to be angry about the Holocaust because it happened ages ago? What a ridiculous outlook you have
In reply to Post #1621
Not at all, but the same time are you still angry at all Germans? Because if you are I suggest the only sad case around is you
Not at all, but the same time are you still angry at all Germans? Because if you are I suggest the only sad case around is you
In reply to Post #1618
Self appointed maverick clown's like yourself will always try to defend themselves eventually. Before being squeezed out the arse of reality
About time you were pinched off
Self appointed maverick clown's like yourself will always try to defend themselves eventually. Before being squeezed out the arse of reality
About time you were pinched off
In reply to Post #1620
But Dave you can't compare Europe or most countries in Europe to a fairly Isolated island. You can't even compare the UK to New Zealand as two islands when it comes to covid.
I mean Australia's closed border policy has hardly worked has it
But Dave you can't compare Europe or most countries in Europe to a fairly Isolated island. You can't even compare the UK to New Zealand as two islands when it comes to covid.
I mean Australia's closed border policy has hardly worked has it
In reply to Post #1624
It depends on what their actual plan was. If it was to keep the death rates low, and ride it out until a suitable vaccine had been developed, then I suppose it's worked.
If it was to eradicate covid altogether then no, it hasn't
It depends on what their actual plan was. If it was to keep the death rates low, and ride it out until a suitable vaccine had been developed, then I suppose it's worked.
If it was to eradicate covid altogether then no, it hasn't
In reply to Post #1625
Let's wait and see. Swedens model was frowned upon by most but net result deaths per capita are very similar to the rest of Europe. They just happened quicker, but with less economic or mental health damage
Let's wait and see. Swedens model was frowned upon by most but net result deaths per capita are very similar to the rest of Europe. They just happened quicker, but with less economic or mental health damage
In reply to Post #1626
Time will tell 👍
Time will tell 👍
In reply to Post #1622
Sad case I suppose your dad is probably bigger than mine too...
If the Germans had come here, restructured our government, imported fatal deadly disease and erased parts of our culture then I would be a little peeved. Wouldn't you?
Sad case
I suppose your dad is probably bigger than mine too...If the Germans had come here, restructured our government, imported fatal deadly disease and erased parts of our culture then I would be a little peeved. Wouldn't you?
In reply to Post #1628
'What did the Romans ever do for us?'
Luckily we had the Scots to preserve our culture eh noj
'What did the Romans ever do for us?'
Luckily we had the Scots to preserve our culture eh noj
In reply to Post #1629
That was exactly what I was going to reply 👍
That was exactly what I was going to reply 👍
In reply to Post #1629
You mean the ones who killed a Jewish Jesus?
Never had you down as a closet antisemite
How do you feel about European settlers in that part of the world, Mal? And the Americas?
You mean the ones who killed a Jewish Jesus?
Never had you down as a closet antisemite
How do you feel about European settlers in that part of the world, Mal? And the Americas?
In reply to Post #1631
I think you probably know the answer to that already noj...
You were coming across a little bit 'judean people's front' though
I think you probably know the answer to that already noj...
You were coming across a little bit 'judean people's front' though
In reply to Post #1632
They wouldn't let me in with an unaltered schmickle.
Joined the Pacific Islanders alliance instead
They wouldn't let me in with an unaltered schmickle.
Joined the Pacific Islanders alliance instead
NHS vaccination roll back is coming........good call too with the pressure there under daily.......I can see testing rules being implemented though......far more sensible......
In reply to Post #1634
Was always going to be the case though wasn't it? There was no way they would ever let 70,000 staff leave just like that. It was all a scare tactic to force people to get the jabs.
Was always going to be the case though wasn't it? There was no way they would ever let 70,000 staff leave just like that. It was all a scare tactic to force people to get the jabs.
In reply to Post #1635
Not according to the restriction junkies.......
Not according to the restriction junkies.......
In reply to Post #1634
I wouldn't hold your breath Wayne
Estimate of 10000 care home staff lost their jobs just before Christmas under the same ruling.
Can you imagine the backlash if they now u turn?
That said... I put nothing past this shower of a government. If they think it might save themselves (rather than lives) then you could be right.
I wouldn't hold your breath Wayne
Estimate of 10000 care home staff lost their jobs just before Christmas under the same ruling.
Can you imagine the backlash if they now u turn?
That said... I put nothing past this shower of a government. If they think it might save themselves (rather than lives) then you could be right.
In reply to Post #1637
Omicrom wasn't about when the decision was made.
Surely all they'll have to say is decisions were made using the science available at the time.
If a newer deadly variant comes into being then another decision will made on that basis?
Omicrom wasn't about when the decision was made.
Surely all they'll have to say is decisions were made using the science available at the time.
If a newer deadly variant comes into being then another decision will made on that basis?
In reply to Post #1638
The only thing is they might argue the delta variant is still lurking
The only thing is they might argue the delta variant is still lurking
In reply to Post #1637
U turn is BJs middle name......especially to save his career!
U turn is BJs middle name......especially to save his career!
In reply to Post #1637
DP
DP
In reply to Post #1638
Possibly yeah
Or its part of the bigger plan to cripple the NHS before the privatisation 'rescue package'....
Edit - just watching the news about Boris ' birthday party... ffs how's he going to try and spin this one as a work event?
Coming soon - Carrie's Ann summers party. A work event as they explored new ways to shaft the British public.
Possibly yeah
Or its part of the bigger plan to cripple the NHS before the privatisation 'rescue package'....
Edit - just watching the news about Boris ' birthday party... ffs how's he going to try and spin this one as a work event?
Coming soon - Carrie's Ann summers party. A work event as they explored new ways to shaft the British public.
In reply to Post #1642
We all know he'll try and mumble his way out of it
We all know he'll try and mumble his way out of it
In reply to Post #1642
Carrie's party definitely happened........
Carrie's party definitely happened........
In reply to Post #1642
The ugly manipulative bitch will probably go for the eco solar powered model, even though it's performance dips when it goes where the sun doesn't shine
She's as bad as him. Fancy making the beast with 2 backs with Boris to make a name for yourself. Whore
The ugly manipulative bitch will probably go for the eco solar powered model, even though it's performance dips when it goes where the sun doesn't shine
She's as bad as him. Fancy making the beast with 2 backs with Boris to make a name for yourself. Whore
In reply to Post #1645
Cobblers. She ****ed a fat bloke who'll be off jumping some other woman in a few months.
Johnson ****ed the whole country.
Cobblers. She ****ed a fat bloke who'll be off jumping some other woman in a few months.
Johnson ****ed the whole country.
In reply to Post #1646
I have to admit, call a vote tomorrow and I would put him back in. Personally I couldn't give a monkeys about the parties and gatherings, I saw it happening everywhere in all walks of life.
The government has messed up big time over the last couple of years with covid and it has without doubt cost lives but I honestly believe that all the other useless piles of crap we have as MPs would have done the exact same.
I am saying this as a man who's missis has just walked out of her job due to NHS compulsory vaccines (brought on by this government) yet due to a very strong current economy (due to this government) she now has a new job and will be paid more money 💵.
I have to admit, call a vote tomorrow and I would put him back in. Personally I couldn't give a monkeys about the parties and gatherings, I saw it happening everywhere in all walks of life.
The government has messed up big time over the last couple of years with covid and it has without doubt cost lives but I honestly believe that all the other useless piles of crap we have as MPs would have done the exact same.
I am saying this as a man who's missis has just walked out of her job due to NHS compulsory vaccines (brought on by this government) yet due to a very strong current economy (due to this government) she now has a new job and will be paid more money 💵.
In reply to Post #1646
She prostituted herself for clout, how proud her parents must be..
As for Boris, the man is a liar and a ****; so the most surprising thing about the allegations is that people are actually surprised
Still, it's good to see that covid seems to have reached the point that regular contributors to these threads feel their time is better spent on Tazi's latest shemozzle
She prostituted herself for clout, how proud her parents must be..
As for Boris, the man is a liar and a ****; so the most surprising thing about the allegations is that people are actually surprised
Still, it's good to see that covid seems to have reached the point that regular contributors to these threads feel their time is better spent on Tazi's latest shemozzle
In reply to Post #1648
What point is that? 439 dead yesterday, 1 in 20 kids off school (including both of mine). Tazi's thread was like a busman's holiday.
What point is that? 439 dead yesterday, 1 in 20 kids off school (including both of mine). Tazi's thread was like a busman's holiday.
In reply to Post #1647
We have the weakest performing economy in the G7 over the las
2 years. An easy fact check. When they bang on aboutnrapid growth that is true. Because we sunk so.low. but its still not good. Its playing with words.
We.also have one of the highest death rates per million in the G7. So we tanked our economy AND losts 1000s of lives.
We have the weakest performing economy in the G7 over the las
2 years. An easy fact check. When they bang on aboutnrapid growth that is true. Because we sunk so.low. but its still not good. Its playing with words.
We.also have one of the highest death rates per million in the G7. So we tanked our economy AND losts 1000s of lives.
In reply to Post #1650
Should have locked away the elderly and vulnerable on the second lockdown.......they had the evidence then to back it up.......economy wouldn't have suffered as much then.......I'm sure I have said this before!
Should have locked away the elderly and vulnerable on the second lockdown.......they had the evidence then to back it up.......economy wouldn't have suffered as much then.......I'm sure I have said this before!
In reply to Post #1651
They couldn't do that as they wasted all summer
Doing nothing except letting it build back up to high levels again.
They couldn't do that as they wasted all summer
Doing nothing except letting it build back up to high levels again.
In reply to Post #1651
I'm sure I have said this before!
Probably. Was it before 'it's all a scamdemic' or after 'Trump will walk the US election'?
I'm sure I have said this before!
Probably. Was it before 'it's all a scamdemic' or after 'Trump will walk the US election'?
In reply to Post #1651
Blatant discrimination
Did you learn nothing from Novak's plight?
. . ..
Blatant discrimination
Did you learn nothing from Novak's plight?
. . ..
In reply to Post #1654
Discrimination or simply saving lives.......
Get over it Jon......get over it.......pants down imoji.......
Discrimination or simply saving lives.......
Get over it Jon......get over it.......pants down imoji.......
In reply to Post #1655
pants down imoji
that'll be 'emoji'
pants down imoji
that'll be 'emoji'
In reply to Post #1655
Personally I'd want our government to protect everyone, not just the elderly or vulnerable, but that's just me
Personally I'd want our government to protect everyone, not just the elderly or vulnerable, but that's just me
In reply to Post #1656
I know but I'm from Newcastle so it's imoji.........
Andy, I took some aspirin to protect people from headaches......does that count.......
u turn is CoMing
My daughter has been on placement for 1 week and not 1 covid case.......interesting.......
I know but I'm from Newcastle so it's imoji.........
Andy, I took some aspirin to protect people from headaches......does that count.......
u turn is CoMing
My daughter has been on placement for 1 week and not 1 covid case.......interesting.......
In reply to Post #1658
Where is her placement? We can all have a look online to see if its porkies or not......
Where is her placement? We can all have a look online to see if its porkies or not......
And normal service is resumed
In reply to Post #1649
439 recorded as having died. Not deceased on yesterday's date
Hence even the ‘experts' go by rolling averages
We are below the level of elderly and vulnerable usually dying from flu. That's not to play down anybody or their relatives dying, but if we had daily reports on miscarriage, stillbirths, mothers and babies dying in pregnancy and labour.. we'd scare everyone out of parenthood
There's people with shots and boosters coming out of their ear holes who have had covid multiple times. Is it not time to accept it's futile?
439 recorded as having died. Not deceased on yesterday's date
Hence even the ‘experts' go by rolling averages
We are below the level of elderly and vulnerable usually dying from flu. That's not to play down anybody or their relatives dying, but if we had daily reports on miscarriage, stillbirths, mothers and babies dying in pregnancy and labour.. we'd scare everyone out of parenthood
There's people with shots and boosters coming out of their ear holes who have had covid multiple times. Is it not time to accept it's futile?
In reply to Post #1661
Sorry, I should have specified reported having died with 30 days of a positive test.
Is that from influenza or with it?
Sorry, I should have specified reported having died with 30 days of a positive test.
Is that from influenza or with it?
In reply to Post #1661
Sounds like the vaccine is working a treat 💪
Sounds like the vaccine is working a treat 💪
Lozza Fox getting hammered on Twitter.
Takes a selfish last week wearing a tshirt saying
'I don't need a vaccine I have an immune system'
Now a photo looking dog rough and listing 5 medications that's hes taking as he has caught Covid.
He's being asked :
Why did you test? You don't believe in it.
If its a cold. Why all the medications
Why take Ivermectin for a cold?
Such a sensational grifting hypocrite.
Takes a selfish last week wearing a tshirt saying
'I don't need a vaccine I have an immune system'
Now a photo looking dog rough and listing 5 medications that's hes taking as he has caught Covid.
He's being asked :
Why did you test? You don't believe in it.
If its a cold. Why all the medications
Why take Ivermectin for a cold?
Such a sensational grifting hypocrite.
In reply to Post #1665
The bloke is a cockwomble, couldn't of happened to a nicer person
The bloke is a cockwomble, couldn't of happened to a nicer person
In reply to Post #1666
I've never seen Wayne in real life but from his profile pic...
More than a passing resemblance to the former actor in question....
You never see them together....
https://images.app.goo.gl/wu7ateTntGKm77s76
I've never seen Wayne in real life but from his profile pic...
More than a passing resemblance to the former actor in question....
You never see them together....
https://images.app.goo.gl/wu7ateTntGKm77s76
In reply to Post #1667
😂
😂
In reply to Post #1669
don't encourage him....
I think Tinhead was a bit more right tbh - 'Omicron has changed things'
this bit of the article stands out
“There is a risk that other staff who have got vaccinated when they may not have will feel let down, given this is a last-minute change of policy. And this will leave social care colleagues feeling very frustrated, given they have already been through this and many have lost their jobs.”
Damn right. Lost their jobs just before Christmas... Imagine that as the singular earner in the house and how you'll be feeling now. Once again, Care sector staff **** on by Tory ********s. And the NHS workers who have already quit and found other jobs..? (one of the lads on here posted just last week I think)
Political desperation over public safety? Oh yes.
Wait for the inevitable **** storm - including such ridiculousness as 'do people have the right to 'choose' a vaccinated nurse for their own safety?' and 'Novak Djokovic to retrain as a hospital porter after the WTA tell him to sod off'
don't encourage him....
I think Tinhead was a bit more right tbh - 'Omicron has changed things'
this bit of the article stands out
“There is a risk that other staff who have got vaccinated when they may not have will feel let down, given this is a last-minute change of policy. And this will leave social care colleagues feeling very frustrated, given they have already been through this and many have lost their jobs.”
Damn right. Lost their jobs just before Christmas... Imagine that as the singular earner in the house and how you'll be feeling now. Once again, Care sector staff **** on by Tory ********s. And the NHS workers who have already quit and found other jobs..? (one of the lads on here posted just last week I think)
Political desperation over public safety? Oh yes.
Wait for the inevitable **** storm - including such ridiculousness as 'do people have the right to 'choose' a vaccinated nurse for their own safety?' and 'Novak Djokovic to retrain as a hospital porter after the WTA tell him to sod off'
In reply to Post #1670
I'd be absolutely fuming if me or mine were victims of the care home staff debacle. Though I think it's a little late for some to be concerned about doing right by the unvaccinated, don't you
As always it's hard to disagree with you mate, but I'm afraid Wayne's I told you so is inevitable
Maybe novax can retrain as a testicular cancer consultant, I'm sure he's already had a stint as a ball boy
I'd be absolutely fuming if me or mine were victims of the care home staff debacle. Though I think it's a little late for some to be concerned about doing right by the unvaccinated, don't you
As always it's hard to disagree with you mate, but I'm afraid Wayne's I told you so is inevitable
Maybe novax can retrain as a testicular cancer consultant, I'm sure he's already had a stint as a ball boy
Not again......
Joe Rogan Covid misinformation exposed.... Here's his claims fact checked, he's clearly exposed for telling plenty of bull. Do people actually believe cr@p that people like Joe spout?.... Jeez... you fear for peoples mental health if their so easily lead.
https://www.bbc.com/news/60199614
Joe Rogan has been criticised for helping spread misinformation on his podcast.
Claim: A vaccine can alter your genes
Mr Rogan said: "This is not a vaccine, this is essentially a gene therapy." But this is not true.
None of the Covid vaccines change your genetic material or DNA - essentially the recipe book containing the instructions of how to build your body.
The vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna harness a different molecule called messenger RNA.
If DNA is the blueprint, RNA is the messenger, carrying instructions to your cells.
In the case of the Covid vaccine, the message to your cells is to turn the RNA into copies of the virus's spike protein.
That's what fires your immune system up to start producing antibodies and other cells to fight off the virus.
When the message has been received, the RNA is broken down and disposed of.
Claim: Ivermectin can cure Covid
This claim was made on an episode last year featuring Bret Weinstein, an American author and professor of biology, who said: "Ivermectin alone is capable of driving this pathogen to extinction."
BBC Reality Check looked at a series of research papers claiming to show the effectiveness of this drug in treating Covid.
Many were very low quality, and in some cases the data had been clearly manipulated.
If you look only at rigorously carried out studies, there is no evidence of the drug's effectiveness.
Campaigners often cherry-pick positive examples and ignore the fact that many countries which relied heavily on ivermectin, like Brazil and Peru, had some of the worst death tolls from the virus.
The world-leading experts on reviewing medical evidence, Cochrane, concluded based on just these reliable trials that there was "insufficient evidence" to recommend the drug.
Claim: If you get vaccinated after having had Covid, you're at greater risk of harmful side effects
One of Mr Rogan's most controversial guests has been the virologist Robert Malone.
Mr Malone was banned from Twitter in December last year for violating its Covid misinformation policies. He appeared on Mr Rogan's podcast shortly afterwards.
Among the misleading claims made in this podcast episode was one suggesting people who are vaccinated after having Covid-19 are at greater risk of adverse side effects.
Following his appearance, more than 270 doctors and healthcare professionals signed a letter to Spotify, calling for Covid misinformation to be addressed.
Robust studies so far have shown that a very small number of conditions - blood clots, heart inflammation - are slightly more likely after certain vaccines, although are still very rare.
In one UK study, researchers found that vaccine after effects were more common in those who already had Covid.
However, this study only looked at mild after effects, such as fatigue, chills and headaches.
Claim: For young people, the health risks from the vaccine are greater than from Covid
Mr Rogan said: "I don't think it's true there's an increased risk of myocarditis from people catching Covid-19 that are young, versus the risk from the vaccine."
Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle that has been raised as a rare side effect of vaccination.
However, research has shown that this condition, which can lead to shortness of breath, chest pain and in very rare cases to heart failure, is considerably more common after a Covid infection than after vaccination.
It also appears that cases of myocarditis post-vaccination are generally milder and shorter-lasting.
Mr Rogan later corrected himself, but has made several other comments suggesting young people shouldn't be vaccinated as they are at low risk from Covid-19.
It's certainly the case that younger people are at much lower risk of serious illness from Covid, but they are not at zero risk of developing complications.
Covid itself has been found to be a bigger risk than the vaccines in every age group for which they have been approved.
The vaccines, particularly after a booster, can also reduce your chances of catching the virus and therefore passing it on to others.
https://www.bbc.com/news/60199614
Joe Rogan has been criticised for helping spread misinformation on his podcast.
Claim: A vaccine can alter your genes
Mr Rogan said: "This is not a vaccine, this is essentially a gene therapy." But this is not true.
None of the Covid vaccines change your genetic material or DNA - essentially the recipe book containing the instructions of how to build your body.
The vaccines made by Pfizer and Moderna harness a different molecule called messenger RNA.
If DNA is the blueprint, RNA is the messenger, carrying instructions to your cells.
In the case of the Covid vaccine, the message to your cells is to turn the RNA into copies of the virus's spike protein.
That's what fires your immune system up to start producing antibodies and other cells to fight off the virus.
When the message has been received, the RNA is broken down and disposed of.
Claim: Ivermectin can cure Covid
This claim was made on an episode last year featuring Bret Weinstein, an American author and professor of biology, who said: "Ivermectin alone is capable of driving this pathogen to extinction."
BBC Reality Check looked at a series of research papers claiming to show the effectiveness of this drug in treating Covid.
Many were very low quality, and in some cases the data had been clearly manipulated.
If you look only at rigorously carried out studies, there is no evidence of the drug's effectiveness.
Campaigners often cherry-pick positive examples and ignore the fact that many countries which relied heavily on ivermectin, like Brazil and Peru, had some of the worst death tolls from the virus.
The world-leading experts on reviewing medical evidence, Cochrane, concluded based on just these reliable trials that there was "insufficient evidence" to recommend the drug.
Claim: If you get vaccinated after having had Covid, you're at greater risk of harmful side effects
One of Mr Rogan's most controversial guests has been the virologist Robert Malone.
Mr Malone was banned from Twitter in December last year for violating its Covid misinformation policies. He appeared on Mr Rogan's podcast shortly afterwards.
Among the misleading claims made in this podcast episode was one suggesting people who are vaccinated after having Covid-19 are at greater risk of adverse side effects.
Following his appearance, more than 270 doctors and healthcare professionals signed a letter to Spotify, calling for Covid misinformation to be addressed.
Robust studies so far have shown that a very small number of conditions - blood clots, heart inflammation - are slightly more likely after certain vaccines, although are still very rare.
In one UK study, researchers found that vaccine after effects were more common in those who already had Covid.
However, this study only looked at mild after effects, such as fatigue, chills and headaches.
Claim: For young people, the health risks from the vaccine are greater than from Covid
Mr Rogan said: "I don't think it's true there's an increased risk of myocarditis from people catching Covid-19 that are young, versus the risk from the vaccine."
Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle that has been raised as a rare side effect of vaccination.
However, research has shown that this condition, which can lead to shortness of breath, chest pain and in very rare cases to heart failure, is considerably more common after a Covid infection than after vaccination.
It also appears that cases of myocarditis post-vaccination are generally milder and shorter-lasting.
Mr Rogan later corrected himself, but has made several other comments suggesting young people shouldn't be vaccinated as they are at low risk from Covid-19.
It's certainly the case that younger people are at much lower risk of serious illness from Covid, but they are not at zero risk of developing complications.
Covid itself has been found to be a bigger risk than the vaccines in every age group for which they have been approved.
The vaccines, particularly after a booster, can also reduce your chances of catching the virus and therefore passing it on to others.
In reply to Post #1673
That's alot to digest, but I did manage to catch thanks to the wonders of YouTube's algorithms his podcast with professor Brian Cox, where he stated that there were a group of scientists that believed octopus came from a different planet, obviously Brian Cox had never heard of it because it came from a dodgy conspiracy website, and was shut down when Brian said that an octopus cell is very similar cell to a humans. Hes a dangerous bloke on a platform which can reach all around the world
That's alot to digest, but I did manage to catch thanks to the wonders of YouTube's algorithms his podcast with professor Brian Cox, where he stated that there were a group of scientists that believed octopus came from a different planet, obviously Brian Cox had never heard of it because it came from a dodgy conspiracy website, and was shut down when Brian said that an octopus cell is very similar cell to a humans. Hes a dangerous bloke on a platform which can reach all around the world
In reply to Post #1673
Joe rogan podcasts are excellent........far Better listening than fishing tripe that people like listening too.......
Joe brings on guests and let's them speak and then converses with them.......doesn't mean he actually agrees with what they say...bit like this thread...
Joe rogan podcasts are excellent........far Better listening than fishing tripe that people like listening too.......
Joe brings on guests and let's them speak and then converses with them.......doesn't mean he actually agrees with what they say...bit like this thread...
In reply to Post #1674
And even worse the people who vehemently disagree with him either listen to his podcast, print stories about him or talk about him in internet chat rooms
Never listened to him, never will. He's causing uproar intentionally and making a killing, wake up and ignore him
And even worse the people who vehemently disagree with him either listen to his podcast, print stories about him or talk about him in internet chat rooms
Never listened to him, never will. He's causing uproar intentionally and making a killing, wake up and ignore him
In reply to Post #1676
...wake up and ignore him
Funnily enough, I find it easier to ignore him when I am asleep!
...wake up and ignore him
Funnily enough, I find it easier to ignore him when I am asleep!
In reply to Post #1675
I agree. There's a lot more to Joe Rogan than this news that's popped up in the last few weeks. Many years of really good content.
I might not agree with some of his & his guests views but his podcast is generally excellent imo.
I agree. There's a lot more to Joe Rogan than this news that's popped up in the last few weeks. Many years of really good content.
I might not agree with some of his & his guests views but his podcast is generally excellent imo.
In reply to Post #1678
Yep.......
Yep.......
This is hilarious. Watch with the sound off if you think she's not pithed!
In reply to Post #1680
It is hilarious and she's a national embarrassment.... but what's it got to do with covid?
(apart from we all wish she would get it and isolate for 7 days)
It is hilarious and she's a national embarrassment.... but what's it got to do with covid?
(apart from we all wish she would get it and isolate for 7 days)
In reply to Post #1680
Nadine's been watching too much 24 hours in police custody
Nadine's been watching too much 24 hours in police custody
In reply to Post #1673
One small thing to consider about the 'fact checkers' and here are two examples:
Jim Smith the Chairman of the Thompson Reuters Foundation (who run Reuters Fact Check) is also a board member at Pfizer and....... the BBC fact checking dept is funded by the UK Gov, so you could say they are all marking their own homework so to speak, just worth considering IMO
One small thing to consider about the 'fact checkers' and here are two examples:
Jim Smith the Chairman of the Thompson Reuters Foundation (who run Reuters Fact Check) is also a board member at Pfizer and....... the BBC fact checking dept is funded by the UK Gov, so you could say they are all marking their own homework so to speak, just worth considering IMO
In reply to Post #1683
OMG.. It's all a conspiracy that every country in the world is in on... We're all doomed and the end is nigh.
OMG.. It's all a conspiracy that every country in the world is in on... We're all doomed and the end is nigh.
In reply to Post #1684
With Blojo, Grease-Smug, Chuck's Nadine, Dominic (where's Dover) Raab and Penfold in charge, we are more than doomed, we are ****ed!
With Blojo, Grease-Smug, Chuck's Nadine, Dominic (where's Dover) Raab and Penfold in charge, we are more than doomed, we are ****ed!
In reply to Post #1685
Penfold
Penfold
In reply to Post #1685
Rees-Mogg = the haunted pencil.
Rees-Mogg = the haunted pencil.
Let's thank our lucky stars were not in Austria, Greece, Australia, Canada, France or Germany etc.......seriously ****ed up rules in place!!!!
In reply to Post #1687
steampunk C3PO
steampunk C3PO
In reply to Post #1688
I suppose they are only f##ked up if you dont approve of them
I suppose they are only f##ked up if you dont approve of them
There were 534 Covid deaths reported today - the highest figure in nearly a year.
There were over 7,000 UK Covid deaths in January alone.
Yet Boris Johnson told Parliament this week that "we are coming out of Covid so fast".
There were over 7,000 UK Covid deaths in January alone.
Yet Boris Johnson told Parliament this week that "we are coming out of Covid so fast".
In reply to Post #1691
Sounds more like trump every day
He even wore his tie in that bloody stupid 'too long' way in the Ukraine
He's a dick
Sounds more like trump every day
He even wore his tie in that bloody stupid 'too long' way in the Ukraine
He's a dick
In reply to Post #1691
Deaths by date of death are falling though, there were some changes to how the data is collected recently, which has seen huge jumps in case numbers and todays jump in deaths.
Not wishing to defend the custard bellend, just pointing that out.
Deaths by date of death are falling though, there were some changes to how the data is collected recently, which has seen huge jumps in case numbers and todays jump in deaths.
Not wishing to defend the custard bellend, just pointing that out.
In reply to Post #1693
Case numbers are no doubt way higher than reported anyway.
Firstly no requirement to get a PCR. And many getting a positive Lateral Flow never log it on a Govt site.
There may be a bit of lag causing today's high death total.
But that doesn't explain away January's shocking figure.
He's lying again
Like his great economy. Its proven lies.
600000 less jobs than pre covid. And one of the worst performing economies . He's like Trump . He worked.out that people won't check.
Case numbers are no doubt way higher than reported anyway.
Firstly no requirement to get a PCR. And many getting a positive Lateral Flow never log it on a Govt site.
There may be a bit of lag causing today's high death total.
But that doesn't explain away January's shocking figure.
He's lying again
Like his great economy. Its proven lies.
600000 less jobs than pre covid. And one of the worst performing economies . He's like Trump . He worked.out that people won't check.
So half a study group of unvaccinated volunteers without a prior infection, who were intentionally given the virus, never actually got covid?
In reply to Post #1694
Not wanting to defend him again. But case numbers by definition are precisely correct. A case is a positive test. Infections are much higher than cases (infections may be present without a positive test result)
The government are charlatans, but too many people use the handling of the pandemic as a stick to beat them with because it's convenient.
We are reaching a point in the pandemic where the majority of cases are not fatal, and where cases have the upside of giving very good, long lasting immunity. Not everyone will agree with that acceptable level of death, suffering and long COVID etc, but these things have to be balanced against disruption to normal life, the economy and our many other ongoing health issues; of which there is also a death toll.
I hate everything this govt stands for, but I think they are right to relax measures as they are doing at this point. Most other countries are doing the same or will be soon.
Not wanting to defend him again. But case numbers by definition are precisely correct. A case is a positive test. Infections are much higher than cases (infections may be present without a positive test result)
The government are charlatans, but too many people use the handling of the pandemic as a stick to beat them with because it's convenient.
We are reaching a point in the pandemic where the majority of cases are not fatal, and where cases have the upside of giving very good, long lasting immunity. Not everyone will agree with that acceptable level of death, suffering and long COVID etc, but these things have to be balanced against disruption to normal life, the economy and our many other ongoing health issues; of which there is also a death toll.
I hate everything this govt stands for, but I think they are right to relax measures as they are doing at this point. Most other countries are doing the same or will be soon.
In reply to Post #1695
Says they used an early variant from the early stages of the pandemic. Remember it wasn't actually that contagious back then.
Says they used an early variant from the early stages of the pandemic. Remember it wasn't actually that contagious back then.
In reply to Post #1697
Ffs Vince you've got an answer for everything
Surely transmissibility is irrelevant when it's shot up your nose
It's also more likely those with relatives that died, will have died with an earlier ‘variant' so it's completely fair to question why they couldn't hold their hand as they died alone.
I'd have needed stopping physically, they tried when my son was born in lockdown but they failed miserably
Ffs Vince you've got an answer for everything
Surely transmissibility is irrelevant when it's shot up your nose
It's also more likely those with relatives that died, will have died with an earlier ‘variant' so it's completely fair to question why they couldn't hold their hand as they died alone.
I'd have needed stopping physically, they tried when my son was born in lockdown but they failed miserably
I'm looking forward to the data being released of who died WITH CV or DUE to CV......can imagine the numbers tumbling......
In reply to Post #1698
FFS Jon, they squirted the equivalent of one moisture droplet! Viral load would have been tiny. More worrying is that they still have that old variant in labs
FFS Jon, they squirted the equivalent of one moisture droplet! Viral load would have been tiny. More worrying is that they still have that old variant in labs
Another concerning thing is our data for deaths did not include reinfections at all. If you were previously infected and survived then caught it again and died you were not counted. Now you are, but apologists claim this is odd?
It was massaging the data to.look better all along
Similarly if you get ill and die after 28 days from infection, you don't count. Other countries go.much further. When this all comes out. We are going to be seen to have done very badly.
It was massaging the data to.look better all along
Similarly if you get ill and die after 28 days from infection, you don't count. Other countries go.much further. When this all comes out. We are going to be seen to have done very badly.
In reply to Post #1699
Reading about this. They already put down the main cause of death in ONS stats.
In the first wave we didn't have as much testing so doctors were
Making an educated guess despite no positive test result. But falsifying that info comes with a heavy if not custodial sanction.
The way this has played out and how unprepared and unwilling we were to do some common sense strategies I imagine our death caused by Covid . In so far as IF the individual hadn't contracted Covid then they would likely have kept living, is much higher even than the ONS stats.
Certainlynif we go by surge in All Cause deaths now reliably collated for 2020
2020
In 2020, there were over 695 thousand deaths in the United Kingdom, making that year the deadliest since 1918, at the height of the Spanish influenza pandemic. While no country was able to fully escape the devastation of COVID-19, the UK looks set to be one of the worst-affected countries. Compared to the rest of Europe, the United Kingdom has the fourth-worst death rate, at 180.92 deaths per million population, and, as of March 14, 2021 has by far the highest number of deaths at over 125 thousand.
Reading about this. They already put down the main cause of death in ONS stats.
In the first wave we didn't have as much testing so doctors were
Making an educated guess despite no positive test result. But falsifying that info comes with a heavy if not custodial sanction.
The way this has played out and how unprepared and unwilling we were to do some common sense strategies I imagine our death caused by Covid . In so far as IF the individual hadn't contracted Covid then they would likely have kept living, is much higher even than the ONS stats.
Certainlynif we go by surge in All Cause deaths now reliably collated for 2020
2020
In 2020, there were over 695 thousand deaths in the United Kingdom, making that year the deadliest since 1918, at the height of the Spanish influenza pandemic. While no country was able to fully escape the devastation of COVID-19, the UK looks set to be one of the worst-affected countries. Compared to the rest of Europe, the United Kingdom has the fourth-worst death rate, at 180.92 deaths per million population, and, as of March 14, 2021 has by far the highest number of deaths at over 125 thousand.
In reply to Post #1700
That old variant is probably still knocking about. We're talking about the most dangerous pathogen known to mankind until the next variant wipes it out of existence in a fortnight It's like a daz whiter than white challenge, when white is and always will be white
Don't you go massaging those figures in your favour sundance, the number of deaths has gone up but the population is ever increasing. Average mortality rate per 100k has just gone back to (and below) 2008 levels
That old variant is probably still knocking about. We're talking about the most dangerous pathogen known to mankind until the next variant wipes it out of existence in a fortnight
It's like a daz whiter than white challenge, when white is and always will be white Don't you go massaging those figures in your favour sundance, the number of deaths has gone up but the population is ever increasing. Average mortality rate per 100k has just gone back to (and below) 2008 levels
In reply to Post #1703
Any data or actual specifics to support that last rather vague sentence mate?
Any data or actual specifics to support that last rather vague sentence mate?
I'll be hoping for this contract in the south east
Talking of under reporting
My wife has covid with symptoms
I've had a cough all week and finally tested positive.
Her mum has tested positive today. None of which will be logged.
My wife has covid with symptoms
I've had a cough all week and finally tested positive.
Her mum has tested positive today. None of which will be logged.
In reply to Post #1705
That only goes up to 2020
And can you explain what part supports what you said.
As it looks a.lot higher in 2020 than previous years.
That only goes up to 2020
And can you explain what part supports what you said.
As it looks a.lot higher in 2020 than previous years.
In reply to Post #1708
You're over emphasising the actual number of deaths, the population is bigger.. a lot of the 2000s had a worse mortality rate per 100k of the population according to this did they not?
Sadly 1or 2 thousand people usually die every day in the winter.
I hope you and the family are all ok. Bet you're glad you didn't pay for the booster
You're over emphasising the actual number of deaths, the population is bigger.. a lot of the 2000s had a worse mortality rate per 100k of the population according to this did they not?
Sadly 1or 2 thousand people usually die every day in the winter.
I hope you and the family are all ok. Bet you're glad you didn't pay for the booster
In reply to Post #1709
Maybe, if you only go up to Dec 2020. But we lost a lot more Jan to March.
Covid has wiped out all the last 10 years gains in average mortality. Gains hard won by better health practises, procedure, science and indeed vaccination programs.
And it's.done that in one fell swoop. And that was WITH lockdowns to stop the spread.
Maybe, if you only go up to Dec 2020. But we lost a lot more Jan to March.
Covid has wiped out all the last 10 years gains in average mortality. Gains hard won by better health practises, procedure, science and indeed vaccination programs.
And it's.done that in one fell swoop. And that was WITH lockdowns to stop the spread.
In reply to Post #1706
All the short kids will escape! Stupid plan.
Mind you, if they can find any classrooms with doors intact in Glasgow then fair play to them
All the short kids will escape! Stupid plan.
Mind you, if they can find any classrooms with doors intact in Glasgow then fair play to them
Our experience so far here with Omicron
Me.and wife jabbed and boosted
Son just 1 jab. But a previous Delta infection.
Sarah goes.to the gym, shops and a business conference
Last Friday. So could pick it up anywhere. Me not out so much. Dry Jan, don't like shopping. Etc.
She feels a bit rough last Saturday. Bit of a cough Sunday but all tested negative. Went to anfamily restaurant meal.
12 of us.
Tested next day, which was Monday this week, and she was positive.
I also developed a sore throat which gradually turns into a cough but
Not positive until Thursday morning.
She's already recovered. I'm a few days behind but managed
Just now to carry 6 plastic supermarkets trays of food up the drive and steps.
Touch wood, mild effects.
Now we have heard her mum has tested positive. She sat next to her at the meal.
So vaccines working well for us at least.
Me.and wife jabbed and boosted
Son just 1 jab. But a previous Delta infection.
Sarah goes.to the gym, shops and a business conference
Last Friday. So could pick it up anywhere. Me not out so much. Dry Jan, don't like shopping. Etc.
She feels a bit rough last Saturday. Bit of a cough Sunday but all tested negative. Went to anfamily restaurant meal.
12 of us.
Tested next day, which was Monday this week, and she was positive.
I also developed a sore throat which gradually turns into a cough but
Not positive until Thursday morning.
She's already recovered. I'm a few days behind but managed
Just now to carry 6 plastic supermarkets trays of food up the drive and steps.
Touch wood, mild effects.
Now we have heard her mum has tested positive. She sat next to her at the meal.
So vaccines working well for us at least.
In reply to Post #1712
Glad you're all ok. But if I'm honest all 3 of you getting covid doesn't read like the best sales pitch
Glad you're all ok. But if I'm honest all 3 of you getting covid doesn't read like the best sales pitch
In reply to Post #1713
Never meant to be a sales pitch.
Right from the start Scientists said IF we can develop a vaccine
The best we can hope for is to decrease severity.
When our kid got Delta. We sidestepped that. Probably due to last year's double jab being so efficient.
Omicron is better at evading it but we still have had it mild.
I'm 54 overweight. Reasonably active but no runner.
Wife is 51 , overweight and Diabetic.
Its a fair bet that it would have gone worse for at least one of us.
Never meant to be a sales pitch.
Right from the start Scientists said IF we can develop a vaccine
The best we can hope for is to decrease severity.
When our kid got Delta. We sidestepped that. Probably due to last year's double jab being so efficient.
Omicron is better at evading it but we still have had it mild.
I'm 54 overweight. Reasonably active but no runner.
Wife is 51 , overweight and Diabetic.
Its a fair bet that it would have gone worse for at least one of us.
In reply to Post #1714
Good job your all ok. Vaccine sounds like it worked but you will never know if you would have been the same without it......
Good job your all ok. Vaccine sounds like it worked but you will never know if you would have been the same without it......
In reply to Post #1715
That's true.mate. and without the option of using parallel timeliness we never will.
However, each day as new data comes in its increasingly obvious that vaccines and boosters do that job.
And IF one can only believe personal experience and anecdote
Then look at the state you got into.
Stand You Me and my missus together and noone would have picked you to be the one that was hospitalised.
That's true.mate. and without the option of using parallel timeliness we never will.
However, each day as new data comes in its increasingly obvious that vaccines and boosters do that job.
And IF one can only believe personal experience and anecdote
Then look at the state you got into.
Stand You Me and my missus together and noone would have picked you to be the one that was hospitalised.
In reply to Post #1716
CV revealed a pre existing condition I had with my ticker.......was in there for 9hrs......guess I should be grateful of CV for revealing it......now if I had the Jabs it may have revealed it too or possibly made it worse I'm told by doctor.......
CV revealed a pre existing condition I had with my ticker.......was in there for 9hrs......guess I should be grateful of CV for revealing it......now if I had the Jabs it may have revealed it too or possibly made it worse I'm told by doctor.......
In reply to Post #1717
Nearly everyone has a pre existing mate. And the older the more of them. That's what makes Covid such a game changer. The idea of the vaccine is to protect those with pre existing
And it probably would have for you.
I like to keep an open mind with this stuff. Info changes on a daily basis. As its a new virus.
Reading though this thread, past.ones and stuff on FB and Twitter something has become very apparent. Many people
Took a view on this early and their need to not feel that they were wrong has coloured their whole experience.
Frankly. Even fairly eminent scientists. Those that totally disagree with Covid regulations and those that would have almost permanent lockdowns. Many just wont flex.
You have those calling for longer lockdowns even when cases were really really low
Against those saying we should all be licking each other despite 15000 in hospital.
Those that said it was all over everytime rates went down
To those that don't want it to be over.
I've also noticed that money/followers and clicks dictates their inflexibility. They can't alienate their followers.
Then there are people that have had their businesses ruined, lost their houses etc. Their view is going to be coloured by that
Those safely working from home and avoiding a hated commute or even better on furlough, that's going to colour their views.
The daftest are the contrarians that just don't like to be told anything. Had a couple actually PM me in in 2020 to.tell me it was all.a Bill Gates conspiracy, that's masks were all.about control etc. I was in a restaurant overlooking St Paul's cathedral for my wife's birthday Junen 2020 , not wearing a mask while he was telling me that we were in lockdown.and never going to be allowed out again.
Nearly everyone has a pre existing mate. And the older the more of them. That's what makes Covid such a game changer. The idea of the vaccine is to protect those with pre existing
And it probably would have for you.
I like to keep an open mind with this stuff. Info changes on a daily basis. As its a new virus.
Reading though this thread, past.ones and stuff on FB and Twitter something has become very apparent. Many people
Took a view on this early and their need to not feel that they were wrong has coloured their whole experience.
Frankly. Even fairly eminent scientists. Those that totally disagree with Covid regulations and those that would have almost permanent lockdowns. Many just wont flex.
You have those calling for longer lockdowns even when cases were really really low
Against those saying we should all be licking each other despite 15000 in hospital.
Those that said it was all over everytime rates went down
To those that don't want it to be over.
I've also noticed that money/followers and clicks dictates their inflexibility. They can't alienate their followers.
Then there are people that have had their businesses ruined, lost their houses etc. Their view is going to be coloured by that
Those safely working from home and avoiding a hated commute or even better on furlough, that's going to colour their views.
The daftest are the contrarians that just don't like to be told anything. Had a couple actually PM me in in 2020 to.tell me it was all.a Bill Gates conspiracy, that's masks were all.about control etc. I was in a restaurant overlooking St Paul's cathedral for my wife's birthday Junen 2020 , not wearing a mask while he was telling me that we were in lockdown.and never going to be allowed out again.
In reply to Post #1718
Up there with post of the thread
Up there with post of the thread
In reply to Post #1718
I mean no malice in this mate, it's a genuine question.
You had a year before the vaccines were available and a year of being jabbed, yet you state several times that you and your wife are overweight and susceptible to covid complications.
This has been known from day one..
Would it not have made sense to shed that weight in the first few months of the pandemic?
Please please don't take that the wrong way, but being a bit older and overweight puts people at higher risk than me being slim, highly active and unvaccinated
I mean no malice in this mate, it's a genuine question.
You had a year before the vaccines were available and a year of being jabbed, yet you state several times that you and your wife are overweight and susceptible to covid complications.
This has been known from day one..
Would it not have made sense to shed that weight in the first few months of the pandemic?
Please please don't take that the wrong way, but being a bit older and overweight puts people at higher risk than me being slim, highly active and unvaccinated
In reply to Post #1720
Perhaps I've overstated that. I.mean I'm not thin
But I was a fat kid then an overweight adult. I have actually lost a lot.of.weight in the last 5 years.
Weight is a factor but not as.much as age if one goes by the stats.
I dropped from 20 stone to a low of 15 10
Over 2 years. 46 waist to 38. Did it the right way to keep muscle.
But frankly I will never be thin.
Anyway wife has a negative test already and I toasted the end
Of my dry January with few Peroni and watching the final Battle in Vikings.
Perhaps I've overstated that. I.mean I'm not thin
But I was a fat kid then an overweight adult. I have actually lost a lot.of.weight in the last 5 years.
Weight is a factor but not as.much as age if one goes by the stats.
I dropped from 20 stone to a low of 15 10
Over 2 years. 46 waist to 38. Did it the right way to keep muscle.
But frankly I will never be thin.
Anyway wife has a negative test already and I toasted the end
Of my dry January with few Peroni and watching the final Battle in Vikings.
In reply to Post #1721
Unless you're 6' 10”. Being 15 stone + with a 38 inch waist is clinically obese.
Please think about making some changes mate, please
Unless you're 6' 10”. Being 15 stone + with a 38 inch waist is clinically obese.
Please think about making some changes mate, please
In reply to Post #1722
Well at least I'm no longer morbidly obese. Lol
Well at least I'm no longer morbidly obese. Lol
In reply to Post #1723
Every cloud....
Though I doubt your organs are quite so chipper surrounded by 6-7” of fat
Every cloud....
Though I doubt your organs are quite so chipper surrounded by 6-7” of fat
In reply to Post #1724
Blimey mate. Getting a bit personal. I dont even know you.
First time a stranger has offered their opinion on my weight
Must be a keyboard thing.
Blimey mate. Getting a bit personal. I dont even know you.
First time a stranger has offered their opinion on my weight
Must be a keyboard thing.
In reply to Post #1725
No, I'm making light of it like you did.
People have been quick to judge based on vaccine status, implying the unvaccinated are putting the health system under strain. I'm suggesting for your (and wider society's) wellbeing and the nhs' workload that the difference between clinically and morbidly obese is negligible.
Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound like a personal attack but people are eating themselves to death and my family member who is a doctor/consultant has seen more obese covid patients die than the voluntarily unvaccinated.
Surely if you've decided the vaccine outweighs (not intentional) the risk of negative side effects, losing weight (which has only positive side effects) should be top priority?
It's certainly not the keyboard talking either. Believe me I'd say whatever I want to your face
No, I'm making light of it like you did.
People have been quick to judge based on vaccine status, implying the unvaccinated are putting the health system under strain. I'm suggesting for your (and wider society's) wellbeing and the nhs' workload that the difference between clinically and morbidly obese is negligible.
Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound like a personal attack but people are eating themselves to death and my family member who is a doctor/consultant has seen more obese covid patients die than the voluntarily unvaccinated.
Surely if you've decided the vaccine outweighs (not intentional) the risk of negative side effects, losing weight (which has only positive side effects) should be top priority?
It's certainly not the keyboard talking either. Believe me I'd say whatever I want to your face
In reply to Post #1726
Let's just leave it there then.
Let's just leave it there then.
In reply to Post #1727
In reply to Post #1726
Very flippant set of posts regarding who will be and is a burden on the NHS Noj.
So fat people should lose weight and get the jab to help themselves and the NHS out? I'd agree.
What are your views on a person with a condition like post# 1717 and vaccination helping the NHS out?
Very flippant set of posts regarding who will be and is a burden on the NHS Noj.
So fat people should lose weight and get the jab to help themselves and the NHS out? I'd agree.
What are your views on a person with a condition like post# 1717 and vaccination helping the NHS out?
In reply to Post #1729
I think anyone with a genuine health condition which the vaccine could agitate has every right to make their own decision without judgement.
I think anyone with a genuine health condition which the vaccine could agitate has every right to make their own decision without judgement.
In reply to Post #1730
Please explain how you(the individual) know a vaccine could agitate a pre existing condition?
Please explain how you(the individual) know a vaccine could agitate a pre existing condition?
In reply to Post #1731
I don't. Nobody does. But if you have a condition which ties into the known side effects of the vaccine I'd have thought it was sensible to be hesitant. Don't you?
I don't. Nobody does. But if you have a condition which ties into the known side effects of the vaccine I'd have thought it was sensible to be hesitant. Don't you?
In reply to Post #1732
Hesitant I'd expect, but this poster didn't know they had it before refusing the vaccine and refuses the vaccine since being diagnosed with a heart condition placing them in the vulnerable category. Therefore a higher risk of being a burden on the NHS.
Far more worthy of digging out than a bloke that knows he's overweight but takes the vaccine to help themselves and the NHS out, wouldn't you say?
Hesitant I'd expect, but this poster didn't know they had it before refusing the vaccine and refuses the vaccine since being diagnosed with a heart condition placing them in the vulnerable category. Therefore a higher risk of being a burden on the NHS.
Far more worthy of digging out than a bloke that knows he's overweight but takes the vaccine to help themselves and the NHS out, wouldn't you say?
In reply to Post #1733
In reply to Post #1733
Sundance is a good man with genuine concern for his fellow man. Before being labelled a keyboard warrior I was honestly trying to help and was concerned for his health.
Wayne... is Wayne, and not changing his mind
Sundance is a good man with genuine concern for his fellow man. Before being labelled a keyboard warrior I was honestly trying to help and was concerned for his health.
Wayne... is Wayne, and not changing his mind
In reply to Post #1735
Fair enough, spread your ire evenly though. A moron should never be excused scrutiny because they're a moron, I'm sure you'd agree.
Fair enough, spread your ire evenly though. A moron should never be excused scrutiny because they're a moron, I'm sure you'd agree.
So IF anyone's still interested. For those that maybe haven't had it yet.
My wife.and I have had a similar trajectory but I'm about 3 days behind.
Headaches and a tickling throat that develops into a cough.
Worse at night but not that bad.
Then snotty like a cold. And then that has slowly cleared up.
I got it lighter than her, however,
she has continued to work from home throughout.
I dont really need to work so it was a great excuse for.me.
Day 8 and she's had two negative results and is.plannning on going to the gym today.
I'm still positive but cleared out the shed and garden yesterday. Loaded the van and am fishing Friday hopefully.
My wife.and I have had a similar trajectory but I'm about 3 days behind.
Headaches and a tickling throat that develops into a cough.
Worse at night but not that bad.
Then snotty like a cold. And then that has slowly cleared up.
I got it lighter than her, however,
she has continued to work from home throughout.
I dont really need to work so it was a great excuse for.me.
Day 8 and she's had two negative results and is.plannning on going to the gym today.
I'm still positive but cleared out the shed and garden yesterday. Loaded the van and am fishing Friday hopefully.
In reply to Post #1737
My missus has had covid for a week or so, she's just coming out of it, symptoms were relatively mild.
We live in the same house and I still haven't had it.
My daughter in law got it roughly the same time, my son hasn't caught it, they don't live with us.
Maybe for others but not highly transmissible for us?
We shall see
My missus has had covid for a week or so, she's just coming out of it, symptoms were relatively mild.
We live in the same house and I still haven't had it.
My daughter in law got it roughly the same time, my son hasn't caught it, they don't live with us.
Maybe for others but not highly transmissible for us?
We shall see
In reply to Post #1738
What I have been left with is ZERO sense of smell.
I stuck my hooter in a bottle of white spirit yesterday and nothing.
What I have been left with is ZERO sense of smell.
I stuck my hooter in a bottle of white spirit yesterday and nothing.
In reply to Post #1739
5 kids in my youngest daughters class tested positive just over a week ago. One of them had been in our house all day with my daughter and complained of a sore throat. Daughter has had to do tests for 8 days, all negative. All of us still negative. How we've still dodged it is beyond me.
5 kids in my youngest daughters class tested positive just over a week ago. One of them had been in our house all day with my daughter and complained of a sore throat. Daughter has had to do tests for 8 days, all negative. All of us still negative. How we've still dodged it is beyond me.
In reply to Post #1735
Wayne... is Wayne, and not changing his mind
you know that and why should i.........Im always right.....lol
Seems the troll misread my post......
The vaccine MAY make it worse
Wayne... is Wayne, and not changing his mind
you know that and why should i.........Im always right.....lol
Seems the troll misread my post......
The vaccine MAY make it worse
In reply to Post #1739
Good to see your on the mend though hopefully sense of smell back to normal soon 👍🏼
Good to see your on the mend though hopefully sense of smell back to normal soon 👍🏼
In reply to Post #1740
I had the same a couple of weeks ago, daughter positive, me and the wife negative. Maybe, just maybe it was the vaccine that apparently doesnt work......
I had the same a couple of weeks ago, daughter positive, me and the wife negative. Maybe, just maybe it was the vaccine that apparently doesnt work......
In reply to Post #1743
A friend at work lost his father at the tender age of 66 on Sunday after he'd slipped into a coma last Friday with no underlying problems, was fit and healthy - he refused to have the vaccine.
Very sad.
A friend at work lost his father at the tender age of 66 on Sunday after he'd slipped into a coma last Friday with no underlying problems, was fit and healthy - he refused to have the vaccine.
Very sad.
So all restrictions to be lifted soon....
Hows that control and/or reset going?
Hows that control and/or reset going?
Lost my step mum Friday just gone. she went into hospital over xmas with phunomnia and then caught covid while in hospital. fully jabbed and boosted.
In reply to Post #1746
Sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss.
In reply to Post #1746
Not good clicky.......
Jason, why anyone over 65 wouldn't have the vaccine is beyond me knowing what has been learnt over the last 2 years......
Not good clicky.......
Jason, why anyone over 65 wouldn't have the vaccine is beyond me knowing what has been learnt over the last 2 years......
In reply to Post #1746
Sorry for your loss.
Wayne my mates father lived on a French speaking tropical island with a population of 400k north of St Lucia where vaccination rates were very low less than 40% for two doses.
Sorry for your loss.
Wayne my mates father lived on a French speaking tropical island with a population of 400k north of St Lucia where vaccination rates were very low less than 40% for two doses.
In reply to Post #1746
Sorry to hear that mate
Sorry to hear that mate
In reply to Post #1739
8 days on my sense of smell is returning.
Still have a sore throat that can then make me cough.
Laughing always results in a cough now.
Right ear is still blocked.
I was very tired a lot, even had some afternoon naps. But I wonder if that's just because at can.
My wife has made a full recovery. But noticed that she's out of breath quicker when at the gym.
8 days on my sense of smell is returning.
Still have a sore throat that can then make me cough.
Laughing always results in a cough now.
Right ear is still blocked.
I was very tired a lot, even had some afternoon naps. But I wonder if that's just because at can.
My wife has made a full recovery. But noticed that she's out of breath quicker when at the gym.
In reply to Post #1751
I've a few similar afters. The shortage of breath and prone to coughing is a bloody pain.
As for the blocked ear... just make sure you sit on your wife's left and it won't seem so bad...
I've a few similar afters. The shortage of breath and prone to coughing is a bloody pain.
As for the blocked ear... just make sure you sit on your wife's left and it won't seem so bad...
So the queen has covid. At 95 you'd think it was a death sentence going by previous don't kill your granny propaganda
I bet Charlie's had a right royal bo**ocking for that.
In reply to Post #1753
Think she'll do well to recover from it
Think she'll do well to recover from it
In reply to Post #1755
Im Sure she will be fine......
So April and back to normal........good job Boris you ****......
Im Sure she will be fine......
So April and back to normal........good job Boris you ****......
In reply to Post #1755
She only has mild symptoms and is carrying on with her weekly duties
She only has mild symptoms and is carrying on with her weekly duties
In reply to Post #1756
And I reckon, by the sound of it we'll reignite this thread when the next variant arrives. I think it's been put to bed now that the next can be milder or more severe
And I reckon, by the sound of it we'll reignite this thread when the next variant arrives. I think it's been put to bed now that the next can be milder or more severe
In reply to Post #1758
Do you ever leave the house,you must live in fear of absolutely everything.
Do you ever leave the house,you must live in fear of absolutely everything.
In reply to Post #1759
Far from it, im out living my life, fully vaxed up and comfortable in what I do, but I heed the advice given by the experts, not just a bunch of saps on social media, these blokes didnt buy their qualifications on Twitter. So yes, I'll still carry on testing in certain circumstances, ie visiting old vulnerable relatives, I mean who wouldnt??
Also regarding the queen, you actually believe shes only experiencing mild cold symptoms, and carrying on with her duties?
Far from it, im out living my life, fully vaxed up and comfortable in what I do, but I heed the advice given by the experts, not just a bunch of saps on social media, these blokes didnt buy their qualifications on Twitter. So yes, I'll still carry on testing in certain circumstances, ie visiting old vulnerable relatives, I mean who wouldnt??
Also regarding the queen, you actually believe shes only experiencing mild cold symptoms, and carrying on with her duties?
In reply to Post #1760
Yeah she's a tough old cookie,what are you going do once the tests are no longer available.Will you no longer visit relatives just in case you have it
Yeah she's a tough old cookie,what are you going do once the tests are no longer available.Will you no longer visit relatives just in case you have it
In reply to Post #1761
They will always be available, just have to pay for them, and as it will be only in certain circumstances that I will need them, i am happy to do so, not sure where this leaves care workers though. The queen maybe a tough cookie, but shes still 95 odd years old, I'd imagine anyone that old who contracts covid would do well to beat it, and beat it without any other issues
They will always be available, just have to pay for them, and as it will be only in certain circumstances that I will need them, i am happy to do so, not sure where this leaves care workers though. The queen maybe a tough cookie, but shes still 95 odd years old, I'd imagine anyone that old who contracts covid would do well to beat it, and beat it without any other issues
In reply to Post #1762
It can take 4-8 days to test positive and soon you will potentially be working with people who have it and they no longer have to isolate.If I test positive I won't be going to work and putting people at risk,if that means I lose 2 weeks pay then so be it
It can take 4-8 days to test positive and soon you will potentially be working with people who have it and they no longer have to isolate.If I test positive I won't be going to work and putting people at risk,if that means I lose 2 weeks pay then so be it
In reply to Post #1763
If I get the sniffles I'll be going in and giving everyone on site a morning kiss like normal.
If I get the sniffles I'll be going in and giving everyone on site a morning kiss like normal.
In reply to Post #1764
So it's take your covid to work day.
Work from homers, mortgage holidaymakers, doom and gloomsters. Come outside, the air is... well it's cold, wet and filled with coronavirus but ignore that
That old German woman in the big house is holding on still too
Work from homers, mortgage holidaymakers, doom and gloomsters. Come outside, the air is... well it's cold, wet and filled with coronavirus but ignore that
That old German woman in the big house is holding on still too
In reply to Post #1759
Do you ever leave the house,you must live in fear of absolutely everything.
No, I don't leave the house, and yes, I live in fear. I have cancer and am at severe risk should I get infected.
Try to think of others, even if it's only briefly.
Do you ever leave the house,you must live in fear of absolutely everything.
No, I don't leave the house, and yes, I live in fear. I have cancer and am at severe risk should I get infected.
Try to think of others, even if it's only briefly.
In reply to Post #1763
I won't ever test again.......covid is over, it's all about Russia now......
I won't ever test again.......covid is over, it's all about Russia now......
In reply to Post #1767
I have thought of others ever since it started Ken,I have stuck to the rules set out by the government.The government that broke all their own rules,I know a guy who is 93 and had omicron,it lasted a day and a half and he is fine now.Im just sick and tired of all the scare mongering and the oh it could mutate and get worse,I could go outside and get run over.We never know what's around the corner but I refuse to live in fear,I never expected at 43 to have a stroke but I did,there is no way I was letting it beat me and I'm good now.I hope you make a speedy and full recovery Ken
I have thought of others ever since it started Ken,I have stuck to the rules set out by the government.The government that broke all their own rules,I know a guy who is 93 and had omicron,it lasted a day and a half and he is fine now.Im just sick and tired of all the scare mongering and the oh it could mutate and get worse,I could go outside and get run over.We never know what's around the corner but I refuse to live in fear,I never expected at 43 to have a stroke but I did,there is no way I was letting it beat me and I'm good now.I hope you make a speedy and full recovery Ken
Looks like I was right AGAIN......U turn now done on care workers having mandatory jabs........of course they can come back to the sector on new lower wage contracts..........
Good article in the FT. Re Covid and Flu etc
https://www.ft.com/content/e26c93a0-90e7-4dec-a796-3e25e94bc59b
https://www.ft.com/content/e26c93a0-90e7-4dec-a796-3e25e94bc59b
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