This is really starting to push the boundaries in terms of what's ethical imo.
https://www.carpfeed.com/fishing-features/articles/video-britains-future-80-pounders-netting-the-biggest-ever-c3s
https://www.carpfeed.com/fishing-features/articles/video-britains-future-80-pounders-netting-the-biggest-ever-c3s
In reply to Post #1
Got to cater for all the clowns in the business 😉
Got to cater for all the clowns in the business 😉
In reply to Post #1
Totally agree mate , even he say's Israeli strain ... Pale , fat and that's just RH, the fish look disgusting.
Totally agree mate , even he say's Israeli strain ... Pale , fat and that's just RH, the fish look disgusting.
I acknowledge that it's hypocritical of me to talk about ethics as an angler but surely the line has to be drawn somewhere? Where does it end?
C4's despite what the article says. 3.5 years old.
In reply to Post #4
By people not fishing the waters with these monstrosities in.Its all about money making and pot noodle instant fame seeking people wanting to catch big pale horrible looking fish,just so they can say their p.b is blah blah blah
By people not fishing the waters with these monstrosities in.Its all about money making and pot noodle instant fame seeking people wanting to catch big pale horrible looking fish,just so they can say their p.b is blah blah blah
In reply to Post #5
3C means 3 summers doesn't it? At 3.5 years old they'd not have seen 4 summers surely?
3C means 3 summers doesn't it? At 3.5 years old they'd not have seen 4 summers surely?
In reply to Post #6
true dat
true dat
In reply to Post #6
That what the youf of today want from their fishing
Most of us were lucky enough to start the right way..
I hate this want it now society we have become
That what the youf of today want from their fishing
Most of us were lucky enough to start the right way..
I hate this want it now society we have become
In reply to Post #4
surely the line has to be drawn somewhere? Where does it end?
IMHO when the clowns 🤡 stop paying the money. No huge profit anymore, Without the demand there is no supply.
Carp fishing has created a monster driven by pot noodles, pounds and ounces.
surely the line has to be drawn somewhere? Where does it end?
IMHO when the clowns 🤡 stop paying the money. No huge profit anymore, Without the demand there is no supply.
Carp fishing has created a monster driven by pot noodles, pounds and ounces.
In reply to Post #10
A true victim of its own success.
A true victim of its own success.
If I had a 3 year old kid and fattened him up I would quite rightly be hammered by people
These fish cannot have a long life span as its like feeding a kid till he pops
These fish cannot have a long life span as its like feeding a kid till he pops
In reply to Post #12
RH did not give a **** when big rig died,he knew he already had the babies swimming around.Its just a conveyor system of big horrible looking fish that keep the cash coming in because the next pot noodle carper wants to catch a big pb for bragging rights
RH did not give a **** when big rig died,he knew he already had the babies swimming around.Its just a conveyor system of big horrible looking fish that keep the cash coming in because the next pot noodle carper wants to catch a big pb for bragging rights
No one has to fish for these fish and people that do fish for them do so because that's what they want from there fishing. If it makes them happy and they enjoy there time out on the bank then that's all that should matter. I guess some people don't want to be travelling the length of the country or be on a waiting list for donkeys years to catch huge rare English carp. There is obviously a demand for the fisheries and the fish as a matter of fact I am sure Nash stocked some in his lake.
In reply to Post #9
Not all youth want that. There's a lot of young lads who would love to fish on some of the dead man shoes lakes. Its the whole angling community who want there two seconds of fame catching a 50lber. Means as much to me as if it was caught in France. Absolute zero. No interest at all.
It's a Uk France venue full of characterless fish. Shame on the owner. But there is a market for it unfortunately.
Not all youth want that. There's a lot of young lads who would love to fish on some of the dead man shoes lakes. Its the whole angling community who want there two seconds of fame catching a 50lber. Means as much to me as if it was caught in France. Absolute zero. No interest at all.
It's a Uk France venue full of characterless fish. Shame on the owner. But there is a market for it unfortunately.
In reply to Post #14
Quote......
If it makes them happy and they enjoy there time out on the bank then that's all that should matter.
Total missed Yonny's point regarding ethics of breeding these fish and unnatural feeding purely to produce short lived unhealthy overweight trophy's.
Quote......
If it makes them happy and they enjoy there time out on the bank then that's all that should matter.
Total missed Yonny's point regarding ethics of breeding these fish and unnatural feeding purely to produce short lived unhealthy overweight trophy's.
In reply to Post #16
That does not matter though because there is another 1000 more of these things swimming around in one of RHs stock ponds.Short lives,easily replaced no one cares unless having their picture took after catching one.Not for me but good in one respect as it keeps them anglers off waters I'm on
That does not matter though because there is another 1000 more of these things swimming around in one of RHs stock ponds.Short lives,easily replaced no one cares unless having their picture took after catching one.Not for me but good in one respect as it keeps them anglers off waters I'm on
In reply to Post #13
If people want to fish for them – fine, but it's not for me. I was chatting with a guy on the lake at dinner time who said he might have got a place on one of these types of waters, I replied “You could offer me a free ticket for life's fishing on all of them at once, and I'd still turn it down!”
I just can't see the point in fishing for a genetically breed strain that's sole attribute is to eat everything in sight, to grow as fast as possible to provide a protein source for the population.
I just can't see the point in fishing for a genetically breed strain that's sole attribute is to eat everything in sight, to grow as fast as possible to provide a protein source for the population.
goose, there is no ethics in breeding everyone is trying to get bigger younger fish its not just RH. its just his strain are growing the biggest and they happen to be ugly. if this was scaley mirrors growing that fast no one would say anything. i don't get your point on unnatural feeding at all. i might use 3 kg of boilies over 2 nights and so might 20 other people on a lake but that aint seen as overfeeding that's just fishing.
Another point maybe worth mentioning, perhaps size of fish equates in some peoples minds to angling prowess or skill even,the big is best mantra, there fore,because they have caught a big fish ,they perceive themselves to be a good angler.
That,in my view is not the case...
Would a big RH fish,be better then a Beechmere double,in my mind ,no.....
I can smell these people a mile away,I wouldn't want to associate or fish with anyone with that outlook..
Because for me....
They are not,and never will be an angler....
That,in my view is not the case...
Would a big RH fish,be better then a Beechmere double,in my mind ,no.....
I can smell these people a mile away,I wouldn't want to associate or fish with anyone with that outlook..
Because for me....
They are not,and never will be an angler....
In reply to Post #21
Absolutely spot on
Absolutely spot on
i just think its a bit mad how people have to fish for a certain type of carp to be worthy of being called an angler. If someone wants to catch his carp great i couldn't care less. if you want to fish for huge 50lb RH fish then go and do that if you want to fish for old English 20s then great do that. it has no impact on anybody else's fishing at all. I think people see pictures and feel threatened that a noddy has banked 5 fifties from RH and feel the need to state they aint proper anglers. and his lakes are full of huge carp and i am sure they are but i really couldn't care less why does it matter. The beauty of carp fishing is we don't need to fish anywhere we don't like or agree with but i wouldn't go as far as not going fishing with someone or telling them the carp they are catching don't count.
In reply to Post #23
You make a good point,... However have you heard of the saying..
It's not the size of the matter,but the manner of the capture,its an old saying,which still holds true today,at least for me..
To be fair,each to their own,yeah...however,big ,uber force fed genetically growth enhanced,synthol carp,lol...nah....no,no,no,..that's not n the spirit or ethos of carp angling,where you suffer the cause to reap your reward..
Today, some anglers... Want it,now now,now...when they wouldn't have served an apprenticeship first,in the actual art of fishing....
Today they are instants,that's a given...its all done for you,just add water....
😏
You make a good point,... However have you heard of the saying..
It's not the size of the matter,but the manner of the capture,its an old saying,which still holds true today,at least for me..
To be fair,each to their own,yeah...however,big ,uber force fed genetically growth enhanced,synthol carp,lol...nah....no,no,no,..that's not n the spirit or ethos of carp angling,where you suffer the cause to reap your reward..
Today, some anglers... Want it,now now,now...when they wouldn't have served an apprenticeship first,in the actual art of fishing....
Today they are instants,that's a given...its all done for you,just add water....
😏
In reply to Post #24
i suppose you could have a really basic understanding of carp fishing and go there and be in with a chance of a huge carp. But ultimately your kind of only cheating yourself having skipped learning the basics and putting in the time learning your craft. have you ever seen the Weston park strain of fish he also produces?.
i suppose you could have a really basic understanding of carp fishing and go there and be in with a chance of a huge carp. But ultimately your kind of only cheating yourself having skipped learning the basics and putting in the time learning your craft. have you ever seen the Weston park strain of fish he also produces?.
In reply to Post #25
Of course mate,agree with you..
No,never seen those fish or strain you mention,are they decent..?
Have you ever heard of Trewen wildies,off of the moor?... I have some,catch one of them and that'll put a bend in the cane...👍
Of course mate,agree with you..
No,never seen those fish or strain you mention,are they decent..?
Have you ever heard of Trewen wildies,off of the moor?... I have some,catch one of them and that'll put a bend in the cane...👍
In reply to Post #26
No I have never heard of that strain I will have a look on the net in the morning. Yea he has a strain that he puts into Weston park they are little stunners nothing like those other monstrosity's. but they don't grow anywhere near the size of the Israel's. but people don't want the smaller better looking ones they want the Freeks that will be 50lb so they can change stupid amounts for tickets. I live in the west mids so when big rig popped up every man and his Dog was on about RH. He don't struggle to fill the lakes up at 60 quid a night either I wouldn't mind being a pound behind him
No I have never heard of that strain I will have a look on the net in the morning. Yea he has a strain that he puts into Weston park they are little stunners nothing like those other monstrosity's. but they don't grow anywhere near the size of the Israel's. but people don't want the smaller better looking ones they want the Freeks that will be 50lb so they can change stupid amounts for tickets. I live in the west mids so when big rig popped up every man and his Dog was on about RH. He don't struggle to fill the lakes up at 60 quid a night either I wouldn't mind being a pound behind him
In reply to Post #27
£60 a night,....wow,that's a huge amount of money,listen to this I belong to a brilliant syndicate,fully otter fenced, with lovely history fish.....its only £55 a year...
Me thinks some people like walking round with their pants down with todger on show..
Must be wealthy upcountry,I'll have to move...(not)
£60 a night,....wow,that's a huge amount of money,listen to this I belong to a brilliant syndicate,fully otter fenced, with lovely history fish.....its only £55 a year...
Me thinks some people like walking round with their pants down with todger on show..
Must be wealthy upcountry,I'll have to move...(not)
The demand is unfortunately out there, is it so different to what some want/get when fishing certain places abroad?
Not for me but plenty only to happy for it, each to their own.
Not for me but plenty only to happy for it, each to their own.
In reply to Post #29
You mean Euro Aqua?
That's kinda my point. Is it ethical? I think it's pushing it, big time.
You mean Euro Aqua?
That's kinda my point. Is it ethical? I think it's pushing it, big time.
Everyone needs to give there head a wobble. If you don't like it don't go!!!! No point bitching and moaning on a forum just go fishing where you want to and leave people to enjoy their hobby as they see fit.
The PC old boys carp brigade out in force again..... the good old days... blah blah....
The PC old boys carp brigade out in force again..... the good old days... blah blah....
In reply to Post #31
well said, too much moaning going on these days.
Some say live and let live and all that but then go on and moan about it.
Take the rose tinted glasses off.
well said, too much moaning going on these days.Some say live and let live and all that but then go on and moan about it.
Take the rose tinted glasses off.
In reply to Post #31
You're completely missing the point buddy.
I totally agree people can fish for what they want. We're discussing the ethics of what RH is doing.
You're completely missing the point buddy.
I totally agree people can fish for what they want. We're discussing the ethics of what RH is doing.
In reply to Post #33
Lol your right Yonny,he didn't read the post properly, did he not understand...that's because..
Tee,he...the response came from a bearded,bivvy stinker,new school...drunk on carpology ideology..
😂
Lol your right Yonny,he didn't read the post properly, did he not understand...that's because..
Tee,he...the response came from a bearded,bivvy stinker,new school...drunk on carpology ideology..
😂
In reply to Post #34
These fish were always going to cause some controversy.
Fish spawned in the UK that grow quick - reminiscent of the early (and even current) simmos? Admittedly they are from different bloodlines but the fish are still spawned and grown in this country. Essentially no different to dinks and even leneys in the past - both imported and then spawned on in this country. These are no different, apart from the intensive feeding program. All fish suppliers (like Simmo) have to feed their stock fish, RH just takes this to the next level...
Whether we like it or not these fish will be growing to some huge weights in the UK...and people will fish for them.
These fish were always going to cause some controversy.
Fish spawned in the UK that grow quick - reminiscent of the early (and even current) simmos? Admittedly they are from different bloodlines but the fish are still spawned and grown in this country. Essentially no different to dinks and even leneys in the past - both imported and then spawned on in this country. These are no different, apart from the intensive feeding program. All fish suppliers (like Simmo) have to feed their stock fish, RH just takes this to the next level...
Whether we like it or not these fish will be growing to some huge weights in the UK...and people will fish for them.
In reply to Post #33
It's all to do with Profit, Profit, and Profit Yonny – nothing what so ever to do with welfare of the fish, ethics does not come in to it.
A Business Plan is drawn up, time scale estimated, Lake dug out and landscaped to a pre-planned diagram (Which is also then printed out to show every man made feature in the lake to save the punters having to do anything or think for themselves) also made to maximise the number of punters possible on the bank. Timescale is set to opening date, then the money starts piling in, in a short time it's become profitable – then move on to the next one and the next business plan.
Nothing new, it happened in Trout Fishing in the 90's and nearly killed the sport off from what I can remember, and made the whole Trout fishing scene that was steeped in history soon looked a farcical joke!
I fear the same is happening again
It's all to do with Profit, Profit, and Profit Yonny – nothing what so ever to do with welfare of the fish, ethics does not come in to it.
A Business Plan is drawn up, time scale estimated, Lake dug out and landscaped to a pre-planned diagram (Which is also then printed out to show every man made feature in the lake to save the punters having to do anything or think for themselves) also made to maximise the number of punters possible on the bank. Timescale is set to opening date, then the money starts piling in, in a short time it's become profitable – then move on to the next one and the next business plan.
Nothing new, it happened in Trout Fishing in the 90's and nearly killed the sport off from what I can remember, and made the whole Trout fishing scene that was steeped in history soon looked a farcical joke!
I fear the same is happening again
In reply to Post #34
Tee heee..... you could not be further from the truth .. muppet
Tee heee..... you could not be further from the truth .. muppet
In reply to Post #33
You might be discussing the ethics Ian others have taken a different slant on it, Is it ethical?
In my opinion no, do I agree with it no, that's all that needs to be said really, other than how others choose to spend their time and money is of no concern to me.
You might be discussing the ethics Ian others have taken a different slant on it, Is it ethical?
In my opinion no, do I agree with it no, that's all that needs to be said really, other than how others choose to spend their time and money is of no concern to me.
Here's my take.
Carp fishing has always been about size. The "real" (sic) waters are all stitched up by "real" (sic) carp anglers. Think of places like savay etc - no new carper will ever realistically get on them. Even waters in the lower leagues, for instance season ticket waters in the nene valley require a certain level of experience. This situation has created a demand for easily accessible water with BIG fish in them. So really we only have ourselves to blame on this. There simply aren't enough waters to go around....
I'm guilty of this myself BTW, i've been carping over 30 years and have, in my time been on some very exclusive waters. There is no way on earth I would have wanted a newbie on these places with me. But I would still show off what I've caught and contirbute towards creating a demand for these instant waters.
You can't blame people for wanting to catch big fish when that's how carp fishings value is measured. This is a demon we've created ourselves. Also a lot of carpers can get overly self righteous in my opinion simply because they've been around for a few years, and consider their personal experiences to be superior to those of others.
And pretty much every fishery in the country is about money and profit. I think Rob Hales is most likely one of the least money motivated individuals in fisheries TBH - he does it because he likes it and makes plenty of money elsewhere to fund it.
Carp fishing has always been about size. The "real" (sic) waters are all stitched up by "real" (sic) carp anglers. Think of places like savay etc - no new carper will ever realistically get on them. Even waters in the lower leagues, for instance season ticket waters in the nene valley require a certain level of experience. This situation has created a demand for easily accessible water with BIG fish in them. So really we only have ourselves to blame on this. There simply aren't enough waters to go around....
I'm guilty of this myself BTW, i've been carping over 30 years and have, in my time been on some very exclusive waters. There is no way on earth I would have wanted a newbie on these places with me. But I would still show off what I've caught and contirbute towards creating a demand for these instant waters.
You can't blame people for wanting to catch big fish when that's how carp fishings value is measured. This is a demon we've created ourselves. Also a lot of carpers can get overly self righteous in my opinion simply because they've been around for a few years, and consider their personal experiences to be superior to those of others.
And pretty much every fishery in the country is about money and profit. I think Rob Hales is most likely one of the least money motivated individuals in fisheries TBH - he does it because he likes it and makes plenty of money elsewhere to fund it.
In reply to Post #37
Tee hee....
Your 4lb test curve margin rod has a speck of dirt on it...
'Bal maiden'.....!!!!!...
Tee hee....
Your 4lb test curve margin rod has a speck of dirt on it...
'Bal maiden'.....!!!!!...
Have any of you listened to the Rob Hales interview on the Carp cast, it was about the time Big Rig died?
I thought he came across as a genuine bloke and the problem is he is very passionate about fish breeding (probably more than angling) and the way he sees it, he just wants to see how big he can grow his fish, like you would I suppose
Is it just a case of when worlds collide?
I thought he came across as a genuine bloke and the problem is he is very passionate about fish breeding (probably more than angling) and the way he sees it, he just wants to see how big he can grow his fish, like you would I suppose
Is it just a case of when worlds collide?
In reply to Post #39
Carp fishing has always been about size.
All that pot noodle carpers see everywhere is the sponsored angler adverts, bait adverts, face ache, insta fame, magazines, social media is BIG fish, etc, they are marketed and drawn in by it.
For me it is about Relaxation, the love of the great outdoors, nature, the adventure & solitude, sussing the venue out, meeting people and the chase leading up to getting that take, fight, the capture and a nice photo.
Carp fishing has always been about size.
All that pot noodle carpers see everywhere is the sponsored angler adverts, bait adverts, face ache, insta fame, magazines, social media is BIG fish, etc, they are marketed and drawn in by it.
For me it is about Relaxation, the love of the great outdoors, nature, the adventure & solitude, sussing the venue out, meeting people and the chase leading up to getting that take, fight, the capture and a nice photo.
In reply to Post #40
Have you been drinking the meths from your Trangia Wandle?!
Seem to be losing the plot a bit in some of your posts, life is too short to get so wound up about other peoples fishing
Have you been drinking the meths from your Trangia Wandle?!
Seem to be losing the plot a bit in some of your posts, life is too short to get so wound up about other peoples fishing
In reply to Post #36
It's all to do with Profit, Profit, and Profit Yonny – nothing what so ever to do with welfare of the fish, ethics does not come in to it.
I make you about right Keith. Take the Big Rig fiasco, the thing was fed up to an obscene weight, and looked bloody awful for it (imo), then it died within a year. If that doesn't make people question the ethical side of this I don't know what will?
It's all to do with Profit, Profit, and Profit Yonny – nothing what so ever to do with welfare of the fish, ethics does not come in to it.
I make you about right Keith. Take the Big Rig fiasco, the thing was fed up to an obscene weight, and looked bloody awful for it (imo), then it died within a year. If that doesn't make people question the ethical side of this I don't know what will?
In reply to Post #44
Are we not in a new period where decent uk fish farmers are breeding for looks? Simmo changed his blood lines, front fish, Carp4restocking, lower Berryfield etc all breed carp on looks and good bloodlines. The whole rh thing is only attracting a small minority of anglers and as this post clearly shows, most do not agree. Vote with your feet and do not go! One other issue we have is a glut of uk bred carp. They are giving them away this winter as there are so many people doing it now! Now is the time to breed long scaly stunners as thats what I would want to buy next (and have done)
Are we not in a new period where decent uk fish farmers are breeding for looks? Simmo changed his blood lines, front fish, Carp4restocking, lower Berryfield etc all breed carp on looks and good bloodlines. The whole rh thing is only attracting a small minority of anglers and as this post clearly shows, most do not agree. Vote with your feet and do not go! One other issue we have is a glut of uk bred carp. They are giving them away this winter as there are so many people doing it now! Now is the time to breed long scaly stunners as thats what I would want to buy next (and have done)
In reply to Post #45
What happens when these fish get to 40lb...50lb...60lb...and the venue owners can provide stocking pics of them at 2-3lb? It WILL happen.
Spawned fish, fed with a supplementary diet by fish farmers, from imports isn't anything new in the UK.
What happens when these fish get to 40lb...50lb...60lb...and the venue owners can provide stocking pics of them at 2-3lb? It WILL happen.
Spawned fish, fed with a supplementary diet by fish farmers, from imports isn't anything new in the UK.
In reply to Post #45
Snap, I just stocked 100 C1 Sutton's in one of my Stock Ponds to grow on in their own time – no force feeding, or indoor heated tanks involved.
Snap, I just stocked 100 C1 Sutton's in one of my Stock Ponds to grow on in their own time – no force feeding, or indoor heated tanks involved.
In reply to Post #43
No mate,I don't drink at all,meths had all the alcohol removed from it years ago...
My so called odd posts are my way of deflecting/responding to silly posts,...ie 'bal maiden' which is something best not repeated on here..
If I said,what I really think of the few,stupid ,townie minded,melt...posters...I'd get a ban...most of whom have NO understanding of rural affairs other than watching country file,
I don't class them as proper free minded individuals..I could go on...
So,no I not lost it buddy,just frustration with the lack of general rural,angling knowledge displayed on here..
No mate,I don't drink at all,meths had all the alcohol removed from it years ago...
My so called odd posts are my way of deflecting/responding to silly posts,...ie 'bal maiden' which is something best not repeated on here..
If I said,what I really think of the few,stupid ,townie minded,melt...posters...I'd get a ban...most of whom have NO understanding of rural affairs other than watching country file,
I don't class them as proper free minded individuals..I could go on...
So,no I not lost it buddy,just frustration with the lack of general rural,angling knowledge displayed on here..
In reply to Post #48
Tek no notice
Tek no notice
I agree keeperboy plenty of people breeding those scaley carp. But RH carp are clearly in demand or he wouldn't do it. RH is all about the cash and while his lakes are full why would he change.
Weston park £750 - can't fish 3 of the best pegs they are holiday pegs can be booked all year. Lake exclusive booking from April to June. Maybe 60 members.
Sitch £1000 - a holiday swim available all year. 20 pegs overfilled 80 members. Open access April to June winter tickets also sold.
Acton top lake £1000 open access April to June don't know any members who fish it so don't know to much.
Acton bottom - as above £1000
Avenue- £1500 closed 3 months of the year robs socials are held in that 3 months. I happen to know a old boy who used to have a ticket said midweek rob feeds them with 50kg of maize and the same of boilies whether your fishing or not it goes in.
Monument 1 £60 quid for 36 hours
Monument 2 same as above. And you can only use there bait.
It's crazy absolutely but he is making stupid money the demand is there so I guess it will continue
Weston park £750 - can't fish 3 of the best pegs they are holiday pegs can be booked all year. Lake exclusive booking from April to June. Maybe 60 members.
Sitch £1000 - a holiday swim available all year. 20 pegs overfilled 80 members. Open access April to June winter tickets also sold.
Acton top lake £1000 open access April to June don't know any members who fish it so don't know to much.
Acton bottom - as above £1000
Avenue- £1500 closed 3 months of the year robs socials are held in that 3 months. I happen to know a old boy who used to have a ticket said midweek rob feeds them with 50kg of maize and the same of boilies whether your fishing or not it goes in.
Monument 1 £60 quid for 36 hours
Monument 2 same as above. And you can only use there bait.
It's crazy absolutely but he is making stupid money the demand is there so I guess it will continue
In reply to Post #50
Jeez I'm not surprised he's ‘passionate' at them prices
Jeez I'm not surprised he's ‘passionate' at them prices
In reply to Post #48
Love it
Love it
If a fight ever breaks out in a circus I find that it's always best to go for the jugular.
In reply to Post #48
arrogant as well as pompous, like it
arrogant as well as pompous, like it
In reply to Post #1
I'm all for it
Bowfishing, would like a go with a shotgun myself
Just let em get on with it and see where we end up
S
I'm all for it
Bowfishing, would like a go with a shotgun myself
Just let em get on with it and see where we end up
S
They are some horrendous looking fish
In reply to Post #50
I don't have, to sell my soul...
I don't have, to sell my soul...
In reply to Post #50
When you compare the Linear Syndicate is this year going to be about 750 quid with 200 members those prices look like a bargain
When you compare the Linear Syndicate is this year going to be about 750 quid with 200 members those prices look like a bargain
In reply to Post #1
Sadly it's a demand that needs feeding, that goes for all bred fish. Your wrong uns and your ‘proper' ones
It's something I struggle with. Why is one person's enjoyment of mistreating an animal any different to the next bloke? Because all stock is ethnically cleansed to some degree, kept in environments and ecosystems which could never support them without the application of processed man made garbage. Nutritionally ok to survive, but come on.. is a carp going to naturally get glm? herring meal? Krill
Being ‘cool' and having a mullered kettle doesn't give anyone the right to question ethics or morals when they're fishing for GM farmed captive fish as well. The arrogance to use any natural sea life, or life of any form not farmed sustainably, to supplement pets; when people, kids, starve to death... embarrassing really
Maybe these big **** pigs should Live in tanks at the UN and feed the world in a hurry
Then we can all go back to a genetically tampered with population that looks better in photos, maybe even pay £100's over the course of the year to feed and increase value of somebody else's business assets while also paying for the privilege of doing so
The whole ‘thing' of carp fishing makes me cringe when I look at it... but I enjoy catching carp
Catch 22
I'd rather not go than fish 95% of places in the uk for them
Sadly it's a demand that needs feeding, that goes for all bred fish. Your wrong uns and your ‘proper' ones
It's something I struggle with. Why is one person's enjoyment of mistreating an animal any different to the next bloke? Because all stock is ethnically cleansed to some degree, kept in environments and ecosystems which could never support them without the application of processed man made garbage. Nutritionally ok to survive, but come on.. is a carp going to naturally get glm? herring meal? Krill
Being ‘cool' and having a mullered kettle doesn't give anyone the right to question ethics or morals when they're fishing for GM farmed captive fish as well. The arrogance to use any natural sea life, or life of any form not farmed sustainably, to supplement pets; when people, kids, starve to death... embarrassing really
Maybe these big **** pigs should Live in tanks at the UN and feed the world in a hurry
Then we can all go back to a genetically tampered with population that looks better in photos, maybe even pay £100's over the course of the year to feed and increase value of somebody else's business assets while also paying for the privilege of doing so
The whole ‘thing' of carp fishing makes me cringe when I look at it... but I enjoy catching carp
Catch 22
I'd rather not go than fish 95% of places in the uk for them
In reply to Post #59
Maybe time to hang up the rods chap! If 95 percent of the Uk waters offends you or the morals of fishing then maybe find another hobby. Fishing is about to come under serious threat and the divided opinions we have had for the last 20 years is the ammo the antis need. I don't like what carp fishing has become at certain venues but I just don't go there. Many of the syndicates across the uk are doing things properly and the waiting lists suggest they are most popular. Time to pull together (even when we don't agree)
Maybe time to hang up the rods chap! If 95 percent of the Uk waters offends you or the morals of fishing then maybe find another hobby. Fishing is about to come under serious threat and the divided opinions we have had for the last 20 years is the ammo the antis need. I don't like what carp fishing has become at certain venues but I just don't go there. Many of the syndicates across the uk are doing things properly and the waiting lists suggest they are most popular. Time to pull together (even when we don't agree)
In reply to Post #60
I have no issue with fishing, far from it.
Just the majority of carp fishing, and if I find 95% of places unbearable at least I still have 5% and won't be in other people's way. As per the title, it's a circus.. full of clowns, captive animals and bearded ladies
I have no issue with fishing, far from it.
Just the majority of carp fishing, and if I find 95% of places unbearable at least I still have 5% and won't be in other people's way. As per the title, it's a circus.. full of clowns, captive animals and bearded ladies
In reply to Post #61
Fish farmers who as also fishery owners are quite common. We live in a capital society that requires growth. Fish farmers have two options. Breed and grow the most attractive, breed and grow the largest. When those objectives are achieved the results are put before a anglers who show the most recognition. It happened in trout fishing, originally via Avington and it happens in the world of carp. Its come to a head now because someone has made a big step, but others will make more and bigger steps.
Just go fishing and enjoy the merit of your own captures.
Fish farmers who as also fishery owners are quite common. We live in a capital society that requires growth. Fish farmers have two options. Breed and grow the most attractive, breed and grow the largest. When those objectives are achieved the results are put before a anglers who show the most recognition. It happened in trout fishing, originally via Avington and it happens in the world of carp. Its come to a head now because someone has made a big step, but others will make more and bigger steps.
Just go fishing and enjoy the merit of your own captures.
In reply to Post #62
amen
amen
In reply to Post #62
but then there's no such thing as angling skillls with Genetically modified fish. I like lakes where fish are hard to catch because it's as natural as possible. catching that one special fish is a once a year or more achievement. Not when it comes out every week because it bread to do so.
There is a market but there's a market because they've created it.
but then there's no such thing as angling skillls with Genetically modified fish. I like lakes where fish are hard to catch because it's as natural as possible. catching that one special fish is a once a year or more achievement. Not when it comes out every week because it bread to do so.
There is a market but there's a market because they've created it.
In reply to Post #13
“Pot noodle carper” someone I know fits that category ....mmm lets think, that's right, it's you !
“Pot noodle carper” someone I know fits that category ....mmm lets think, that's right, it's you !
In reply to Post #65
You don't know **** all about me and never will you *****.You don't even know your own family you thick mug.You got your arse handed to you on a plate in the footie thread so vanished for months
You don't know **** all about me and never will you *****.You don't even know your own family you thick mug.You got your arse handed to you on a plate in the footie thread so vanished for months
I'm struggling to think what it is exactly that RH is supposed to have done wrong in this instance? From watching the video it looks as if this group of fish have been breed and raised no differently to fish from Simmo, VS, Fishers Pond, Front Fish etc., he's just done it better. Assuming that bigger is better?
Now I know that some of you are going to say that "it's not the size that's important, but I want lookers". Well let me tell you as a lake owner, I have never, never, ever been asked what is my favourite fish, looks wise in my place, almost everyone that has ever shown interest in joining has asked "what's the biggest in here". If I were, as many lake 'owners' are, worried about selling memberships every spring, then maybe I'd be looking at stocking one of these superfast potential monsters into my place. I guarantee that once it hit 50lbs my membership would be over subscribed.
I'm pretty sure that some of these fish will be stocked 'under the radar' by fisheries who won't want the flack of stocking RH fish, but will love having a couple of 'surprise' lumps hit the bank.
Anyway I'll get back to my slow growing stock and low membership numbers.
Now I know that some of you are going to say that "it's not the size that's important, but I want lookers". Well let me tell you as a lake owner, I have never, never, ever been asked what is my favourite fish, looks wise in my place, almost everyone that has ever shown interest in joining has asked "what's the biggest in here". If I were, as many lake 'owners' are, worried about selling memberships every spring, then maybe I'd be looking at stocking one of these superfast potential monsters into my place. I guarantee that once it hit 50lbs my membership would be over subscribed.
I'm pretty sure that some of these fish will be stocked 'under the radar' by fisheries who won't want the flack of stocking RH fish, but will love having a couple of 'surprise' lumps hit the bank.
Anyway I'll get back to my slow growing stock and low membership numbers.
In reply to Post #67
that's my point. RH have created the market for people wanting a lake full of big fish. They don't put up a fight. There not difficult to catch. And they don't look nice. So where is the attraction ?
It's The big number game simple as that. People want 2 seconds of fame. If I were a lake owner I'd have the prettiest fish possible even if it meant 25lb was the biggest.
Each to there own of course. But breeding mutants and trying to claim there British is a Joke.
that's my point. RH have created the market for people wanting a lake full of big fish. They don't put up a fight. There not difficult to catch. And they don't look nice. So where is the attraction ?
It's The big number game simple as that. People want 2 seconds of fame. If I were a lake owner I'd have the prettiest fish possible even if it meant 25lb was the biggest.
Each to there own of course. But breeding mutants and trying to claim there British is a Joke.
In reply to Post #68
spot on
spot on
In reply to Post #68
I didn't realise they were easier to catch and didn't fight, is that right?
I didn't realise they were easier to catch and didn't fight, is that right?
In reply to Post #70
I did a social 3 years back on a similar venue with fish from the same stock. We had 9 fish between 4 of us Upto 28lb in 12 hours. And not one even attempted to put up any resistance. And everyone was caught over the venues own pellets. Why ? Because that's how they design and make the venues. So you catch every time get a massive head and want to come back.
Would I go again. Absolutely not but I can see why people would.
I did a social 3 years back on a similar venue with fish from the same stock. We had 9 fish between 4 of us Upto 28lb in 12 hours. And not one even attempted to put up any resistance. And everyone was caught over the venues own pellets. Why ? Because that's how they design and make the venues. So you catch every time get a massive head and want to come back.
Would I go again. Absolutely not but I can see why people would.
In reply to Post #33
Most sensible anglers wouldn't dream of fishing for these type of fish I certainly wouldn't and the ones that do don't usually last long with carp fishing
Most sensible anglers wouldn't dream of fishing for these type of fish I certainly wouldn't and the ones that do don't usually last long with carp fishing
In reply to Post #67
Andy, my issue with it is that he's feeding/breeding/feeding/breeding etc.... to the point that these things are clearly verging on deformity. Your simmos and VS etc are selected for looks (ergo health) as well as size and they're not force fed.
Andy, my issue with it is that he's feeding/breeding/feeding/breeding etc.... to the point that these things are clearly verging on deformity. Your simmos and VS etc are selected for looks (ergo health) as well as size and they're not force fed.
In reply to Post #73
Simmo made his name by selling fast growing scaleless fish though didn't he? He then switched to a scalier stock, but told me he was inundated with requests for his scaleless fish.
VS didn't put Dinks into the mix for their looks did they?
The RH fish will be fed in just the same way as just about all farmed fish, apart from the feed possibly being higher quality? You definitely can't force feed them.
I'll bet you a pound to a penny that some of these fish will end up in the right waters where they'll darken right off and be highly sought after.
All this said I won't be looking to purchase any, but the main reason would be the fear of khv.
Simmo made his name by selling fast growing scaleless fish though didn't he? He then switched to a scalier stock, but told me he was inundated with requests for his scaleless fish.
VS didn't put Dinks into the mix for their looks did they?
The RH fish will be fed in just the same way as just about all farmed fish, apart from the feed possibly being higher quality? You definitely can't force feed them.
I'll bet you a pound to a penny that some of these fish will end up in the right waters where they'll darken right off and be highly sought after.
All this said I won't be looking to purchase any, but the main reason would be the fear of khv.
In reply to Post #68
If you were reliant on an income from your lake you might just change your mind. Most anglers want fish bigger than 25lbs, fact.
If you were reliant on an income from your lake you might just change your mind. Most anglers want fish bigger than 25lbs, fact.
In reply to Post #75
Then I'd be in the wrong job sorry. I wouldn't fill a lake with wrong'ns regardless. I can see why people do it. But for every angler that wants them. There's another 1 looking for the right lakes.
Then I'd be in the wrong job sorry. I wouldn't fill a lake with wrong'ns regardless. I can see why people do it. But for every angler that wants them. There's another 1 looking for the right lakes.
sea fishermen don t have this problem,as for people that don't like the strain or bread or looks or they don t fight etc ,you choice your money your time. do as you please! I think carp are like a women some fight or they don t or some have the look or they don't and they are hard to get. but all cost £££ ! glad we don t fish for koi carp then we could really start 
In reply to Post #74
I'll bet you a pound to a penny that some of these fish will end up in the right waters where they'll darken right off and be highly sought after
Lol. I'll give you my bank details if these fish become sought after by what I consider an angler.
I'll bet you a pound to a penny that some of these fish will end up in the right waters where they'll darken right off and be highly sought after
Lol. I'll give you my bank details if these fish become sought after by what I consider an angler.
In reply to Post #78
So one gets quietly slipped into, let's say, Ferry Lagoon. Fish goes uncaught for five years (not at all unlikely) in which time it grows huge, goes dark as you like and then gets caught. The grapevine is then buzzing about the massive unknown 'old warrior'. Loads of people do or have fished for carp without knowing their quarries to true origins.
So one gets quietly slipped into, let's say, Ferry Lagoon. Fish goes uncaught for five years (not at all unlikely) in which time it grows huge, goes dark as you like and then gets caught. The grapevine is then buzzing about the massive unknown 'old warrior'. Loads of people do or have fished for carp without knowing their quarries to true origins.
if we are talking looks you can't say a fish like Two Tone was a really a looker or a fighter for that matter, just a big lump
How many of us are fishing for 'natural' fish? Very, very few - if any. So it's all about finding a water that suits your own personal goals.
Right from the first days on Redmire anglers were chasing some, albeit naturalised, lumps that had been put into a fertile water that contained nothing else but a few trout, eels and some gudgeon. Yet this is where the carp plague began and standards were set.
I'd love to fish a water with little pressure, heavily vetted members and some attractive fish. Size wouldn't be a big deal but, as with all of us, I do like catching big fish as they feel somehow more satisfying. It is after all, how we falsely display our prowess. Why is that? Catching a canny old fish that finds your bait before a hoard of hungry Simmo's is much more significant in the long run.
It happened in the gentle art of fly fishing back in the 70's - 80's? when massive, force grown rainbows were stocked in Avingdon. People flocked to catch fish stocked that week that were stupid, full of pellets, fought like plastic bags and had to be smoked to make them taste of wood rather than cotton wool. The man made a fortune.
As long as number chasing idiots want to throw their money on these waters and brag about their so-called skill set to anybody they can collar, good luck to them. At least they won't be annoying me as I sit quietly waiting on a quiet water for a fish that satisfies me.
Right from the first days on Redmire anglers were chasing some, albeit naturalised, lumps that had been put into a fertile water that contained nothing else but a few trout, eels and some gudgeon. Yet this is where the carp plague began and standards were set.
I'd love to fish a water with little pressure, heavily vetted members and some attractive fish. Size wouldn't be a big deal but, as with all of us, I do like catching big fish as they feel somehow more satisfying. It is after all, how we falsely display our prowess. Why is that? Catching a canny old fish that finds your bait before a hoard of hungry Simmo's is much more significant in the long run.
It happened in the gentle art of fly fishing back in the 70's - 80's? when massive, force grown rainbows were stocked in Avingdon. People flocked to catch fish stocked that week that were stupid, full of pellets, fought like plastic bags and had to be smoked to make them taste of wood rather than cotton wool. The man made a fortune.
As long as number chasing idiots want to throw their money on these waters and brag about their so-called skill set to anybody they can collar, good luck to them. At least they won't be annoying me as I sit quietly waiting on a quiet water for a fish that satisfies me.
Carp fishing is not what it was. It's just purely commercial now and that's wheres it's all going wrong for me. It will become meaningless if we are not careful 
No longer fishing for the survivors or waiting for fish to come though, it's like most things in life it's here for you now because somebody can earn something from it £
Over the last few years I have found a distinct lack of interest in what's going off in the carp world, inspiration for me is virtually zero at the moment, but that's MY personal views. Crack on for me, people can fish for what they want, ain't no rules. Just remember, when they put theirselves on a pedestal with said fish they deserve all the flack they get. Fishing is a very personal thing and means very different things to different people, that what makes it special for me.
No longer fishing for the survivors or waiting for fish to come though, it's like most things in life it's here for you now because somebody can earn something from it £
Over the last few years I have found a distinct lack of interest in what's going off in the carp world, inspiration for me is virtually zero at the moment, but that's MY personal views. Crack on for me, people can fish for what they want, ain't no rules. Just remember, when they put theirselves on a pedestal with said fish they deserve all the flack they get. Fishing is a very personal thing and means very different things to different people, that what makes it special for me.
In reply to Post #82
Carp fishing is not what it was. It's just purely commercial now and that's wheres it's all going wrong for me. It will become meaningless if we are not careful
I've noticed exactly the same as you Chris – Carp Fishing is becoming “Soul-less”, you only need to watch the reaction to a Terry Hearn video and note the reaction from the angling community, it's as if they are watching something “Mystical” – no they are not, in reality it's what real Carp Fishing has always been about.
As for C3's growing at such a rate to reach 20lb,this is exactly what the strain was originally genetically breed to do - to eat everything in sight to provide a reliable fast kosher food source.
Me personally can't see the point in “Angling” with baited hooks for something thats been genetically breed to eat everything in sight.
But each to their own, if people want to fish for them - go forth, but if I ever found myself in a situation that thanks to this strain also being riddled with herpes, had in-directly wiped out all the other legit Carp stocks in the area, I'd be packing in Carp Fishing full stop.
Carp fishing is not what it was. It's just purely commercial now and that's wheres it's all going wrong for me. It will become meaningless if we are not careful
I've noticed exactly the same as you Chris – Carp Fishing is becoming “Soul-less”, you only need to watch the reaction to a Terry Hearn video and note the reaction from the angling community, it's as if they are watching something “Mystical” – no they are not, in reality it's what real Carp Fishing has always been about.
As for C3's growing at such a rate to reach 20lb,this is exactly what the strain was originally genetically breed to do - to eat everything in sight to provide a reliable fast kosher food source.
Me personally can't see the point in “Angling” with baited hooks for something thats been genetically breed to eat everything in sight.
But each to their own, if people want to fish for them - go forth, but if I ever found myself in a situation that thanks to this strain also being riddled with herpes, had in-directly wiped out all the other legit Carp stocks in the area, I'd be packing in Carp Fishing full stop.
In reply to Post #79
I dont disagree buddy, but that would soon change should the origin be known.
I dont disagree buddy, but that would soon change should the origin be known.
In reply to Post #79
DP
DP
Supply and demand, simple business structure. I know a club and a syndicate anyone can apply to that offer unspoilt relaxation. What's your poison?
In reply to Post #75
Making money from mug's isn't uncommon or unusual. Hope your wallet is always full and the danglers go home happy.
Making money from mug's isn't uncommon or unusual. Hope your wallet is always full and the danglers go home happy.
Hi All
The uk carp scene had it all, the best venues and fish, the best fish farmers, manufacturers producing the highest quality long lengivity gear and the best anglers there were in the sport.
Then came advertising for profit
Big up for Yonny for starting this thread because it sums up everything that's bad in carping.
Sadly it's just one of the topics that sits on the tip of the UK carping iceberg
Best
Jon
The uk carp scene had it all, the best venues and fish, the best fish farmers, manufacturers producing the highest quality long lengivity gear and the best anglers there were in the sport.
Then came advertising for profit
Big up for Yonny for starting this thread because it sums up everything that's bad in carping.
Sadly it's just one of the topics that sits on the tip of the UK carping iceberg
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #87
I'm in a lucky position that I don't owe a penny on my place or worry about getting a penny out of it. This allows me to run the place, and stock, for my own enjoyment. I won't be calling RH anytime soon. I do have some lovely long, dark, old stunners (opinion) in my place that few people seem that bothered about though, due to their weights.
I'm in a lucky position that I don't owe a penny on my place or worry about getting a penny out of it. This allows me to run the place, and stock, for my own enjoyment. I won't be calling RH anytime soon. I do have some lovely long, dark, old stunners (opinion) in my place that few people seem that bothered about though, due to their weights.
In reply to Post #89
Keep it that way mate. Don't fall into the modern society of size of Quality.
Keep it that way mate. Don't fall into the modern society of size of Quality.
A lot of thoughts on this thread.
I think in todays society altogether we forget about history and heritage, and as we do have evolved into a hedonistic, instant lifestyle with no care for anything other than ourselves.
That is society as a whole, not just carp fishing.
The respect for older values has sadly gone.
We have created a market that creates a market for things we don't actually need. You don't need to buy water from the supermarket in plastic bottles, but you do. You don't need to upgrade your reels every 2 years but you do...
Carp fishing has history, from Izaak Walton, to Donald Leney, Richard Walker and how carp were stocked into waters. Those Redmire carp that were stocked in the 1930's and lived to big weights and ling lives until in cases, the 2000's.
The carp of Simmo era, those plastic looking fast growers, that often died at a young age, some at 40lb in less than 10 years of age.
Then we have the same sort of instant growth from Rob Hales, and the need for instant money from 'instant' anglers.
I noticed that many of the advocators of the fast growth big fish seem to be the younger anglers on this thread, sorry, but you may need to learn history and heritage to avoid mistakes of the past.
After every spike we have a crash, and I personally think the peak or spike of carp fishing is starting to crash.
I think in todays society altogether we forget about history and heritage, and as we do have evolved into a hedonistic, instant lifestyle with no care for anything other than ourselves.
That is society as a whole, not just carp fishing.
The respect for older values has sadly gone.
We have created a market that creates a market for things we don't actually need. You don't need to buy water from the supermarket in plastic bottles, but you do. You don't need to upgrade your reels every 2 years but you do...
Carp fishing has history, from Izaak Walton, to Donald Leney, Richard Walker and how carp were stocked into waters. Those Redmire carp that were stocked in the 1930's and lived to big weights and ling lives until in cases, the 2000's.
The carp of Simmo era, those plastic looking fast growers, that often died at a young age, some at 40lb in less than 10 years of age.
Then we have the same sort of instant growth from Rob Hales, and the need for instant money from 'instant' anglers.
I noticed that many of the advocators of the fast growth big fish seem to be the younger anglers on this thread, sorry, but you may need to learn history and heritage to avoid mistakes of the past.
After every spike we have a crash, and I personally think the peak or spike of carp fishing is starting to crash.
Some very interesting views, imo it's just madness. Can't beat a slow grown natural dark coloured carp
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