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Angling Direct..KERRRCHING! (60 posts / 6,069 views)
suffokandy
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Post #1 24 Aug 2023 18:58
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I read today AD sales hit £40.9 million in the 1st 6 months of this year. That's 10% more than the same period last year. The way they're buying up outlets like Eric's etc and forcing other firms out of business its hardly surprising. They appear to have a great business model...until things go pear shaped and refunds etc are requested then their true colours emerge. Making inroads into Europe too.
mick_jc mick_jc
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Post #2 24 Aug 2023 19:15
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Such a shame really as places like Eric's and Hull angling which I've used in the past were always top on customer services and gave prices far cheaper than the cheap prices advertised on their sites. I'll only buy from AD if its much cheaper than elsewhere or nowhere have the stock item I need. Same reason I prefer to use anywhere than amazon where possible
Bornagaincarper Bornagaincarper
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Post #3 24 Aug 2023 20:15
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Are they really forcing other shops out of business? Or simply buying up what others don't want to buy and giving a retirement option for owners that doesn't exist elsewhere.

AD paid £1.1m for Eric's, what independent person is going to pay that sort of money? If "Dave" from down the road has a spare £1m in his pocket, he is unlikely to buy a tackle shop.

That's the thing when you want to sell a successful business, your buyer list is very small. Realistically it's only those on the procurement trail that will buy you.

I imagine all who have sold to AD are quite happy.
karmh karmh
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Post #4 24 Aug 2023 21:25
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I Bloody miss erics, what a shop.
Tinhead Tinhead
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Post #5 24 Aug 2023 22:07
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Yes AD provide a great service to those that want to sell up.
Not so good for those who've lost those shops.
karmh karmh
Posts: 1,177
Post #6 24 Aug 2023 22:38
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Trouble is, I use my local shops when I need little bits and I'm passing through but they don't have things in stock I want ever, and they can't get anywhere near online prices, I know they have overheads and that but they could help you out a bit!
The-Heff The-Heff
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Post #7 24 Aug 2023 23:35
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In reply to Post #3
How dare you come on here with facts and a rational argument
oldgeezer oldgeezer
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Mr Linky Poo
Mr Linky Poo Post #8 24 Aug 2023 23:40
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In reply to Post #1
FFS lmao forcing people out of business ???

Sam owner of Eric's WANTED to sell up
chanmenie
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Post #9 25 Aug 2023 07:51
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Yes Gerry, trouble is people spout a lot of assumed rubbish without knowing the true facts
Beyonce
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Post #10 25 Aug 2023 08:26
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The customer service from Hull Angling was terrible. If anything went wrong with an order they just ignored you in the hope you went away. Thank god for PayPal.

I'd take my chances with AD over them any day of the week.
chipie chipie
Posts: 1,608
Post #11 25 Aug 2023 10:42
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In reply to Post #10
Had an issue with Hull angling on a faulty product luckily the manufacturer dealt with it, Hull will never get another penny out of me.
Beyonce
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Post #12 25 Aug 2023 10:44
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Pretty sure there was whole thread on here about how useless they were.
daveave64 daveave64
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Post #13 25 Aug 2023 10:49
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I had a new Nash chair, the welding snapped the second time I used it. Angling direct arranged a return. A couple of days later a brand new one came from Nash direct. I could not fault the customer service for my problem
Darkieallard
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Post #14 25 Aug 2023 11:01
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Angling Direct gets a lot of bashing but if i go there i know i can pretty much get everything i need apposed to my small local shop which doesn't stock Thinking Anglers or ESP.

Too be fair if i need something 99% of the time i buy online (normally through Amazon or Ebay because you get free delivery) I'm a sucker for walking into a tackle shop and walking out with £50 worth of ***** i don't need.
mick_jc mick_jc
Posts: 115
Post #15 25 Aug 2023 11:09
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Personally never had a problem with Hull although it's been a while. They even let me swap a bivvy after it's first use because I didn't like it
nickfisherman
Posts: 342
Post #16 25 Aug 2023 11:21
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In reply to Post #1
If AD would just sort out their dispatch times then I'd be much better disposed towards them!

There's no question otherwise that they provide a very good range of products at largely competitive prices, and their actual physical stores are normally both large and have a great range of stock.
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #17 25 Aug 2023 11:24
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If someone offered me the right money for both of my business's, i'd flog them both tomorrow

cant blame anyone for selling up, we all have a price
oldgeezer oldgeezer
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Mr Linky Poo
Mr Linky Poo Post #18 25 Aug 2023 13:57
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I do think some people really dont live in the real world

its like a school yard with the pathetic childish comments we get on here

just because they are one of the very few that have had a problem with a shop or online seller

I dont think there is a single seller that at some point someone has not bitched about
despite the thousands that havent had a problem ?

maybe I have been just lucky ?
as I have been buying stuff from virtually all of the big names and only ever had one problem with TFT but they sorted it

and I have bought stuff from Angling Direct. and never had a problem always fast delivery and good prices and I will spend my money where ever I want to
500kg
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Post #19 25 Aug 2023 14:56
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I went into Angling Direct for the first time ever today. Having read several posts on this forum, I was expecting the staff inside to be a bunch of half-wit, inbred troglodytes who look at you as you enter as if you've just ran over a cat in the car park, and who grunt in Morse code when you ask them a question. It turns out the people who work there were actually just normal people who were pleasant to deal with.

As for the trading practises of Angling Direct, the simply fact is that they will always out-compete the smaller tackle shops. The options are, therefore, twofold: either Angling Direct buys out existing shops, thus giving them a lump pay-out to clear off, or they set up in a different premises and force the smaller tackle shop out of business. Which would you prefer?
Rarebit Rarebit
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Post #20 25 Aug 2023 16:09
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I don't really understand why in Leeds they bought out Eric's then set up 5 minutes down the road from Bobco. I will always go to Bobco as the service is fantastic. I had my 8 month old baby with me last time I went and the guy told me to put everything I wanted in a pile and he would take it down the the checkout for me, (the carp stuff is upstairs) then he put it all in my car. He even went and got a butt section that matched my rods to make sure my butt grips fit perfectly and swapped the ones I had out to a better size. 10 out of 10 from me.
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #21 25 Aug 2023 16:45
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In reply to Post #18
its the way of the world these days mate, sadly
Goose Goose
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Post #22 25 Aug 2023 20:37
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I'd be more concerned about the oil companies , gas companies, electricity company's, water companies ect making record profits that are double ish last year's while bullshifing us it's all covid or Ukraine war blah blah. Most of us don't need to buy tackle but do need gas, electric, water and petrol/deisel.
karmh karmh
Posts: 1,177
Post #23 25 Aug 2023 22:20
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In reply to Post #22
Spot on, were never any shortages.
frothey frothey
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Post #24 26 Aug 2023 07:10
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That's more the fault of the futures market and hedge funds spotting a chance to make some serious money. The energy companies sell on an open market, it's the panic buyers that bumped it up.
And, probably, your pension fund has gone up through trading in futures....
vossy1 vossy1
MODERATORMOD
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Post #25 26 Aug 2023 08:11
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Even if we did buy it when it was cheap we'd have nowhere to store it anymore, thanks to a government that was.....yes....voted in by the majority....and then we moan.

As for pension funds, yes they probably will, as will the associated charges and fees, let's not mention if you die they'll take 50% before passing it on to your spouse in most cases.....how kind.

Dont even get me thinking about the state pension.....Happy bloody Saturday
frothey frothey
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Post #26 26 Aug 2023 10:10
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They bought cheap and then just left it on the tankers moored in the channel for as long as they could, whilst the price went up. Which helped pensions.

The lord giveth and then took a chunk away.......

But then thats what capitalism is all about, we've had some good times, now it'll be **** again for awhile.

I blame the small local tackle shops personally, for not having everything I could ever need, at the lowest price anywhere - the b***ards.
kizzi
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Post #27 26 Aug 2023 22:33
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2 and 20 will ensure that very little of the upside escapes from Lombard Street into our pensions.

FWIW - AD's share price has recovered to where it was a year ago having had a big falls before that. They may be a good example of “sales are vanity, profits are sanity, and cash is reality”!
Tadpole2 Tadpole2
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Post #28 26 Aug 2023 22:55
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Don't get me started on the electricity companies....I couldn't pay my bill for the first six months of this year... They were the darkest days of my life......
cramthenet cramthenet
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Post #29 27 Aug 2023 14:38
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That was my thinking. Sales of 40 mill or any amount don'i really matter. What profit did they make on those sales and what costs did they incur and what was the bottom line profits. Many multi mill turnover businesses have gone to the wall because at the end of the day they weren't profitable.
lilharbs lilharbs
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Post #30 27 Aug 2023 16:26
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🤣
cyprymike cyprymike
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Post #31 27 Aug 2023 19:40
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I work in retail and from my perspective AD offers shocking customer service and a terrible customer experience. There shops are untidy and un kept. I have been in quite a few.
Outlaw pro seem to have raised the bar in retail terms and in my opinion will eclipse AD in years to come because of a much better shopping experience and business model.
scozza
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Post #32 28 Aug 2023 08:25
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The ever changing face of fishing, cottage industry to a multi million pound block buster industry

Pluses

We have to be honest they are all well fitted out shops with a good amount of stock. Can't knock the staff, people need jobs ffs!

Minus

The stock is limited and they are pushing what they want to sell, of the shops I have seen they have very little TOP quality gear in stock if that what you are looking for but will try and sell you alternatives

What ever AD want to stock is what you will be having. They have monopolised the market place and they will dictate the future of suppliers, it's our way

They have blow all the competition away with buyouts so when it's Advanta for all and everything is at a premium I will just say, I told you so now shut the **** up

Fishing tackle supermarkets lol

Long live TFT and the likes
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #33 28 Aug 2023 09:07
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In reply to Post #31
Do many actually visit shops these days?

Ive not been into a tackle shop for over 15 years now, mainly use Johnson Ross, on line, and i do have a trade account with a tackle company.
scozza
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Post #34 28 Aug 2023 09:29
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Good point, EBay for most of my gear

TFT and Bobco I have used more recently and shops if I want something for the next day or to look at something before I shell out. If the price is right I will buy it from them
Tinhead Tinhead
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Post #35 28 Aug 2023 10:15
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I hadn't been to tackle shop for a number of years but did go to one a week ago to buy some tungsten tubing
I was surprised by the layout, each manufacture had it's own dedicated stand, each stand had rows and rows of plastic packaging, the shop seemed to be just that, sanitised walls of small plastic packets.
It made it difficult to compare each manufacturers version of tungsten tubing.
I was up and down the shop umpteen times just to select one item.
None of this going in for one thing and coming out with loads, I got fed up, selected the ESP version, paid and walked out.

I don't remember shops being so regimented and soulless like that, are all shops like that nowadays?


mick_jc mick_jc
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Post #36 28 Aug 2023 10:33
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pretty much
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #37 28 Aug 2023 10:38
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i used to go to the Sportsman Lodge in Northampton most weeks, if not to buy something, more for a catch up and a coffee.

Sadly closed down some years ago.
jhhilton1983 jhhilton1983
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Post #38 28 Aug 2023 11:21
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In reply to Post #33
I live a 15 min drive from a AD and the same in another direction from a locally owned shop.

I used to dabble between them, as AD had better stock of terminal bits, but the local shop would do a better price on bigger items.

This all stopped when covid hit and i heard that AD tried to buy up all the stock from the major tackle manufacturers (talking several million quid per stockist). IMO this was a play to kill off the local shops and get a monopoly.

Luckily some of the bigger brands ( i know of two) knocked them back and prioritised the local tackle shops.

Since then, they haven't had a penny from me. And i go to the local one (which has gone from strength to strength since covid) about once a month
Darkieallard
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Post #39 28 Aug 2023 11:34
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The only gripe i have about Angling Direct is there business men not fishermen.

I could go into my old local shop and ask for advice on tackle/venues, now I'm just being blagged with what makes them the most profit.
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #40 28 Aug 2023 12:01
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In reply to Post #39
Id have thought every tackle shop owners are business men first and foremost
framey framey
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Post #41 28 Aug 2023 12:30
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In reply to Post #29
Turn over =vanity profit = sanity
scozza
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Post #42 28 Aug 2023 12:40
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In reply to Post #35
soulless

Exactly that
oldgeezer oldgeezer
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Mr Linky Poo
Mr Linky Poo Post #43 29 Aug 2023 01:30
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soulless ??? sorry mate what bollix ? (no offence intended)
I think its efficient and brilliant I know if I want to look at something made by say ESP its great to see all its products in one space Im bad enough going in to buy one item and walking out with a £40 bag in my hand lol


I really do not understand how you would make it soul full in your words ?
jumble everything up ? and play a soul singer like Aretha Franklin as background music

so Cmon please explain how you would display small packet products from these
manufactures
like for example
products from
Nash ,Trakker ,ESP,Solar, Korum, Cygnet ,Avid ,Enterprise Tackle,Fox,Gardner,Gamakatsu,Guru,Greys,JRC,Korda,Mustad,PB Products,Thinking Anglers,and Wychwood to name the ones I can think of


scozza
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Post #44 29 Aug 2023 06:41
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Soulless as in you go in one you have been in them all, soulless as in close knit community's gone, fishing friends, pop in for a coffee and good chat, character, zero

What will they do now, open coffee shops to make it more real, Starbucks?

It's a money making machine. Small shops were about people, you got top advise, friendships were built and in turn they had loyal customers, all that gone or on its way out
Darkieallard
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Post #45 29 Aug 2023 07:13
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You know what i mean, the old school fishing shop that you can speak to people and get information, fishermen who have experience unlike the new retail side of Angling Direct that just get managers in who know nothing about fishing.
oldgeezer oldgeezer
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Mr Linky Poo
Mr Linky Poo Post #46 29 Aug 2023 07:27
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Angling Direct that just get managers in who know nothing about fishing.
but its a business at the end of the day
and generally they have well stocked items at much cheaper discount prices

or you could go to your small local shop they may not have such a large selection and dont get anywhere near the footfall and can afford to spend time chatting and selling you something at the RRP for the max profit

Im Lucky my local is Harefield Tackle one of the best stocked shops you could get with larger items upstairs on display
and the staff are all Anglers too and I shop there whenever they come close to the online sellers but being on a pension I need to shop wisely
Beyonce
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Post #47 29 Aug 2023 07:37
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Is all this ‘soulless' managers in suits nonsense based on experience of going into a local AD or just the imagination?

I've only ever been into the shop in Slough and the shop in Waltham Abbey. Not suit in sight. Both of these shops are decent. Well stocked and staffed by young blokes talking about fishing.

If you wanted to I'm sure you could have a coffee with them, they are always friendly and helpful and clearly keen young anglers.

Darkieallard
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Post #48 29 Aug 2023 07:39
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Your not getting my point Gerry but yet have to argue with everyone if they don't agree with you.

I've already stated before I'm not slagging off Angling Direct, they do have a good selection of stuff and I'm lucky to have 3 shops within a 30 mile radius if i need to view or buy anything last minute.

Maybe I'm half the problem as 99% of the stuff i buy is from online, if a shop hasn't got a website/eBay page they will fall behind times.
oldgeezer oldgeezer
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Mr Linky Poo
Mr Linky Poo Post #49 29 Aug 2023 08:06
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Gerry but yet have to argue with everyone if they don't agree with you.
you cheeky ****er ?
its a forum where we all have opinions ??? and debate things you need to get a grip go smoke another one ! get even more paranoid

and its about Angling Direct I have very limited experience only been in the Slough one the staff were helpful and it was very well stocked I bought the amazing loose pellet deal and as it was the opening sale I got a huge free goodie bag too lol
Darkieallard
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Post #50 29 Aug 2023 08:20
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you cheeky ****er ?
its a forum where we all have opinions ??? and debate things you need to get a grip go smoke another one ! get even more paranoid


Paranoid

We can debate all day long but if you don't like anyone's opinion you get all defensive, exactly the same as the Global Angling barrow thread on here and Facebook.
crag crag
Posts: 146
Post #51 29 Aug 2023 10:11
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In reply to Post #49
I bought a catapult from Angling Direct online but had to return it, and went in person to a store (ex-Fosters).
Only one of the dozen or so they had, had an elastic that wasn't perishing. I took them all off the rack to the counter to show them, and they told me to put them back on the rack. That wouldn't have happened at my local tackle shop
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #52 29 Aug 2023 16:12
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In reply to Post #44
I get exactly that when I walk in my regular shop,get offered a brew have a chat with the owners and the other regulars.We chat about anything and everything,the local AD you're lucky if you get a grunt out the staff and they always look miserable as sin
Canalcarper71 Canalcarper71
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Post #53 29 Aug 2023 16:22
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I go to my local angling direct although they are polite enough and helpful I do get impression that they are too busy to have a chat,because if you say something to them it is just a nod of head or few words,but still ideal for me as I know what I want when I'm going there so now I don't bother to try to have a conversation
RKB
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Post #54 29 Aug 2023 17:21
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To be fair, I have seen and heard some utter drongos going on and on and on about nothing at all to the poor people behind the counter at AD whilst a queue is building behind them. They must get the same kind of crap day after day. They're not obliged to have long conversations with anyone, and probably have much better things to be doing, like working.
scozza
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Post #55 29 Aug 2023 17:52
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I get exactly that when I walk in my regular shop, get offered a brew have a chat

I bet they are all asleep on the counter after 10 minutes
braders1978 braders1978
Posts: 18,195
Post #56 29 Aug 2023 17:55
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Never seen you in there,they are all united fans but I don't hold that against them
scozza
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Post #57 29 Aug 2023 18:03
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In reply to Post #56
I go to angling direct

AndyClark AndyClark
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Post #58 29 Aug 2023 18:09
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20 years ago I worked in a tackle shop,a family business and I knew the family from when I was a kid.

Throughout the week I would make up rigs, changing them as and when or when people asked about them...I would put them in water in a small rectangular fish tank,pop up rigs,bottom bait rigs and choddys (the in rig at the time) I would also lay the components on the counter from various manufacturers that would make the rig....it went down a treat, the customers loved it,no pushy sales,just help...I didn't know and still don't know everything,but I would always help as much as I can.i loved working in the shop but my fishing time was the sacrifice...whichever way you look at it its still retail, its still working weekends and bank holidays....Everyone coming in would be buzzing,buying bait,terminal etc ready for their trips and you're in work, I made the most of it and on the whole did enjoy my time. This local tackle shop is no longer open, I think the online presence of bigger retailers took its toll....people locally are still gutted and its been shut a good few years now
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #59 29 Aug 2023 18:16
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and they call it "progression" today

These days, they have to have an "open day" with some "superstar"

Darkieallard
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Post #60 29 Aug 2023 18:43
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Proper old school tackle shop that ❤️
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