A chap going by the name of DonFrenchie_ on Insta has had Tilly the Common at over 50lb out of Bluebell and posted a video of his amazing capture.....great achievement.....but....he left the fish in an unzipped retainer hanging from a tree.....I kid you not....
Guy is getting absolute pelters and rightly so.
Guy is getting absolute pelters and rightly so.
In reply to Post #1
Apparently his mate told him to rest it in the sling for 10 mins so they had a cuppa. The guy didn't realise he meant in the water!
Edit: I saw this on FB so no idea if true. But I did see the vid which is poor form either way.
Apparently his mate told him to rest it in the sling for 10 mins so they had a cuppa. The guy didn't realise he meant in the water!
Edit: I saw this on FB so no idea if true. But I did see the vid which is poor form either way.
In reply to Post #1
That is surely someone on a wind up,nobody could be that stupid
That is surely someone on a wind up,nobody could be that stupid
In reply to Post #3
Unfortunately it's not a wind up 😳 said he's weighed all his fish hanging in the tree
Unfortunately it's not a wind up 😳 said he's weighed all his fish hanging in the tree
In reply to Post #4
Anyone have a link to the video,this is unbelievable
Anyone have a link to the video,this is unbelievable
In reply to Post #3
It did happen I'm over on Kingy!! More interested in the social media post that the welfare of a fish. A fish full of spawn being stuck up in a tree stressed and two days after being caught the 1st time.
Time will only tell how she gets on...enough links on the Bluebell face book site if you want to see the footage!!
It did happen I'm over on Kingy!! More interested in the social media post that the welfare of a fish. A fish full of spawn being stuck up in a tree stressed and two days after being caught the 1st time.
Time will only tell how she gets on...enough links on the Bluebell face book site if you want to see the footage!!
In reply to Post #5
I just went on Instagram and searched donfrenchie and it was the latest video on his profile. Someone tagged the Bailiff and he said he wasn't working but would of banned him lol
I just went on Instagram and searched donfrenchie and it was the latest video on his profile. Someone tagged the Bailiff and he said he wasn't working but would of banned him lol
In reply to Post #2
Apparently his mate told him to rest it in the sling for 10 mins so they had a cuppa. The guy didn't realise he meant in the water!
No way PMSL
WTF 
Apparently his mate told him to rest it in the sling for 10 mins so they had a cuppa. The guy didn't realise he meant in the water!
No way PMSL
WTF
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ChasingChunks/permalink/5361406437244391/
In reply to Post #7
Just seen it,that is disgusting
Just seen it,that is disgusting
In reply to Post #10
Calm down Braders, not such a big deal after all, apparently it was raining 💦
Calm down Braders, not such a big deal after all, apparently it was raining 💦
That is awful and even when he has it on the mat he doesn't show it enough care.
" Thought it was normal". He says.
What an absolute Bellend!
Hope the fish is OK. 🤞
What an absolute Bellend!
Hope the fish is OK. 🤞
Should be banned from all lakes. Full on Tool
In reply to Post #14
Totally agree
Totally agree
In reply to Post #9
the spelling on that facebook post comments lol
Yeah leaving it unzipped and unattended is bang out of order, however if properly zipped and the branch sturdy and secure its a valid thing to do, but not reccomended if you have the slightest doubt to the branches integrity
the spelling on that facebook post comments lol
Yeah leaving it unzipped and unattended is bang out of order, however if properly zipped and the branch sturdy and secure its a valid thing to do, but not reccomended if you have the slightest doubt to the branches integrity
In reply to Post #16
How can it be. If it flaps about it could easily smash itself on the trunk or worse still the sling could become unhooked and it fall onto hard ground.
I don't think there is any other way to safely handle a fish other than to leave it in the water until you are fully set up and it's rested. Then lift it out of the water, preferably in a retainer. Straight onto a decent padded mat with sides. Then weigh it. Keep it wet. Lift it for photos no higher than knee height. If it must be left unattended for a moment then that should be on its side in the mat. Then straight back into the water in the retainer for release.
Anything less than that on my waters would see you a. Banned instantly and b. Probably at risk of a smack off of at least one of the bailiffs and c. Probably black listed from any other water within about twenty miles.
How can it be. If it flaps about it could easily smash itself on the trunk or worse still the sling could become unhooked and it fall onto hard ground.
I don't think there is any other way to safely handle a fish other than to leave it in the water until you are fully set up and it's rested. Then lift it out of the water, preferably in a retainer. Straight onto a decent padded mat with sides. Then weigh it. Keep it wet. Lift it for photos no higher than knee height. If it must be left unattended for a moment then that should be on its side in the mat. Then straight back into the water in the retainer for release.
Anything less than that on my waters would see you a. Banned instantly and b. Probably at risk of a smack off of at least one of the bailiffs and c. Probably black listed from any other water within about twenty miles.
I noticed Dave Lane didn't get all this flack when he weighed the burgfield common and most of his other bigguns on a tree. But tbf he didn't leave it 10 mins to have a cuppa.
In reply to Post #16
Mate seriously there is nothing "valid" whatsoever about the whole sorry episode....under no circumstances should you leave a Carp, let alone a 50lb one suspended from a tree breach 4ft off the ground.
Mate seriously there is nothing "valid" whatsoever about the whole sorry episode....under no circumstances should you leave a Carp, let alone a 50lb one suspended from a tree breach 4ft off the ground.
In reply to Post #17
I've got what I consider to be the best matt money can buy and it doesn't have sides so guess I won't be on your sindycate.
I've got what I consider to be the best matt money can buy and it doesn't have sides so guess I won't be on your sindycate.
In reply to Post #20
I guess not.
I guess not.
As if the video isn't bad enough. You then get all the ****y comment biggin him up. Everything that's wrong with modern day carping
In reply to Post #16
Not a good look. But you can't help but admire a bloke who starts a reply to a female angler with- love I **** dogs off for a living
In reply to Post #24
Unfortunately Bluebell is ran different to how it used to be the place is manic it's a money pit so fair play to them but it's not my cup of tea anymore,that video is shocking tbh but this is the kind of angler they attract up there so let them carry on,absolute circus up there
No thanks
Unfortunately Bluebell is ran different to how it used to be the place is manic it's a money pit so fair play to them but it's not my cup of tea anymore,that video is shocking tbh but this is the kind of angler they attract up there so let them carry on,absolute circus up there
No thanks
In reply to Post #25
Apparently the bailifs visited and joked with him, and he stayed. He posted another video later calling out 'bad attitude' (presumably from the people who didn't like his weighing technique)
Apparently the bailifs visited and joked with him, and he stayed. He posted another video later calling out 'bad attitude' (presumably from the people who didn't like his weighing technique)
I couldn't believe what I saw with this video but even worse was his attitude afterwards telling everyone he does it all the time and he knows what he is doing.
What was shocking is in the bailiffs comments when someone mentioned banning him all he said was “if I was working I would of banned him” really? Surely all he needs to do is ban him with the evidence from the video? Maybe who ever runs bluebell should ban him still but apparently they won't 🤦♀️ It's crazy just goes to show what kinda circus it is up there now
What was shocking is in the bailiffs comments when someone mentioned banning him all he said was “if I was working I would of banned him” really? Surely all he needs to do is ban him with the evidence from the video? Maybe who ever runs bluebell should ban him still but apparently they won't 🤦♀️ It's crazy just goes to show what kinda circus it is up there now
In reply to Post #27
It's crazy just goes to show what kinda circus it is up there now
You could say that of around 60% of waters I would bet?
Carpfishing is no longer about the fish, it's about peoples egos, their 5 minutes of fame and the chance of some cheap bait, that's the main motivation
All those complaining about fish care, just think yourselves lucky he didn't have a few in the night, could have been fish hung in trees all over the place
It's crazy just goes to show what kinda circus it is up there now
You could say that of around 60% of waters I would bet?
Carpfishing is no longer about the fish, it's about peoples egos, their 5 minutes of fame and the chance of some cheap bait, that's the main motivation
All those complaining about fish care, just think yourselves lucky he didn't have a few in the night, could have been fish hung in trees all over the place
He's apparently been told it's fine to hang a fish from a tree just not to walk away and leave it there....
As Yonny said, there's plenty of anglers who have used a sturdy tree branch as a weigh crook but for literally seconds and over a mat and not dangling 4ft off the chuffing ground...
Chap says he has been fishing 25 years and has always done this....
As Yonny said, there's plenty of anglers who have used a sturdy tree branch as a weigh crook but for literally seconds and over a mat and not dangling 4ft off the chuffing ground...
Chap says he has been fishing 25 years and has always done this....
He's a road-man wide-boy from the enzs it's a wonder he didn't shank it up for eating his Ghana bait without paying the "P" to the man.
I'm glad I dont fish the circus that is day ticket fishing "tooled up" literally means something else in his case.
I'm glad I dont fish the circus that is day ticket fishing "tooled up" literally means something else in his case.
It's the amount of people that have just commented and ignored it that does it for me. The fact there's even some on this forum that think it's acceptable too.
In reply to Post #31
Using a tree isn't the problem, its the wandering off for a cuppa and letting the fish flap around. I usually put one end of a weighbar in the crook of a branch and the other on my shoulder.
I'd rather use a tree than those tripod things with big fish TBH......
Using a tree isn't the problem, its the wandering off for a cuppa and letting the fish flap around. I usually put one end of a weighbar in the crook of a branch and the other on my shoulder.
I'd rather use a tree than those tripod things with big fish TBH......
In reply to Post #32
Yeah I'm not against using a tree to weigh a fish, especially if you're on your own. This prat wasn't so there is absolutely no need to do it. Two people and a heavy duty storm pole or a hefty branch if you have to.
Yeah I'm not against using a tree to weigh a fish, especially if you're on your own. This prat wasn't so there is absolutely no need to do it. Two people and a heavy duty storm pole or a hefty branch if you have to.
In reply to Post #33
And over a mat
And over a mat
In reply to Post #33
It was probably nice and dry after 10 minutes too. Another thought from me, and something I don't think anybody cares about because we fish for them. All that mass sat on its internal organs that are usually suspended in water, and as usual dragging it to the bank with its lip, I suppose looking at it, leaving it with a chance of dropping a few feet from a tree onto the floor is something else
It was probably nice and dry after 10 minutes too. Another thought from me, and something I don't think anybody cares about because we fish for them. All that mass sat on its internal organs that are usually suspended in water, and as usual dragging it to the bank with its lip, I suppose looking at it, leaving it with a chance of dropping a few feet from a tree onto the floor is something else
In reply to Post #35
Going off on a tangent - people spend far too much time with fish out of the water getting shots. You see some fish photo'd from every angle on the land (and lets face it, it won't just be one pic from each angle), then the ubiquitous "in the lake shots". People checking the shots are ok before moving to the next angle - is it really needed? Chucking a bit of water over them every now and then isn't the answer, as below - think what their internals are going through.....
Going off on a tangent - people spend far too much time with fish out of the water getting shots. You see some fish photo'd from every angle on the land (and lets face it, it won't just be one pic from each angle), then the ubiquitous "in the lake shots". People checking the shots are ok before moving to the next angle - is it really needed? Chucking a bit of water over them every now and then isn't the answer, as below - think what their internals are going through.....
In reply to Post #36
The fish is not important any more, all about the “angler” the carper
The fish is not important any more, all about the “angler” the carper
In reply to Post #36
Weigh it, take a photo, put it back. There really isn't any need for multiple shots of the same fish.
Weigh it, take a photo, put it back. There really isn't any need for multiple shots of the same fish.
In reply to Post #38
Maybe if it goes on to die they might think about banning him. Thankfully his names out there so other fisheries can make their own choice.
Maybe if it goes on to die they might think about banning him. Thankfully his names out there so other fisheries can make their own choice.
In reply to Post #38
No need to weigh it as it was only caught the week before. At least that video has condemned him to never getting a ticket for any half decent venue.
No need to weigh it as it was only caught the week before. At least that video has condemned him to never getting a ticket for any half decent venue.
Social media is to blame. Everyone wants to be a hero. I'm glad I'm not in/on any of it. This forum excepted.
In reply to Post #41
Same as
Same as
In reply to Post #17
Because it's been done since the day we got scales haha.
Not saying it should touch the tree but if you're in attendance you can manage all tge risk perfectly well. If someone tried to smack me for safely weighing a fish they'd get a snack right back mate 😂
Yes tge way he did it is unacceptable like I said
Because it's been done since the day we got scales haha.
Not saying it should touch the tree but if you're in attendance you can manage all tge risk perfectly well. If someone tried to smack me for safely weighing a fish they'd get a snack right back mate 😂
Yes tge way he did it is unacceptable like I said
In reply to Post #43
What snack would you give them
What snack would you give them
In reply to Post #43
If Bluebell don't ban him serious questions need to
be asked, 🤡
If Bluebell don't ban him serious questions need to
be asked, 🤡
Anyone got a working link??
In reply to Post #46
This has to be a wind-up Leave a 50ty in a sling, hanging in a tree, for 10mins while you have a cuppa
This has to be a wind-up
Leave a 50ty in a sling, hanging in a tree, for 10mins while you have a cuppa
In reply to Post #47
I don't think the leaving it in a sling for 10 mins while he had a cuppa bit is true 😂😂
I don't think the leaving it in a sling for 10 mins while he had a cuppa bit is true 😂😂
In reply to Post #48
Apparently is true his mate told him to sack it 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Apparently is true his mate told him to sack it 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
In reply to Post #49
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In reply to Post #50
wtf
wtf
In reply to Post #50
Is this the video the witch-hunt is based on with a bit of hearsay mixed in or is there proof he sat down for a brew?
To be fair he could well have gone to get his phone to make a social media post to friends the same as 90% of people probably do nowadays and it's been taken out of context. You can easily make scales more secure on a tree than holding them by hand, are we assuming a bloke who goes fishing can't tie a reliable knot?
It could all be true, but trial by social media based on that video isn't fair imo
Is this the video the witch-hunt is based on with a bit of hearsay mixed in or is there proof he sat down for a brew?
To be fair he could well have gone to get his phone to make a social media post to friends the same as 90% of people probably do nowadays and it's been taken out of context. You can easily make scales more secure on a tree than holding them by hand, are we assuming a bloke who goes fishing can't tie a reliable knot?
It could all be true, but trial by social media based on that video isn't fair imo
In reply to Post #52
The fish is four feet in the air, with no mat underneath it, against the tree trunk, with no one minding it and probably dry. Are you seriously saying that's acceptable. All of those are bad enough whether or not the tea making bit is true or not. It's hardly a witch hunt when he's filmed it himself Is it? The evidence is plain to see.
The fish is four feet in the air, with no mat underneath it, against the tree trunk, with no one minding it and probably dry. Are you seriously saying that's acceptable. All of those are bad enough whether or not the tea making bit is true or not. It's hardly a witch hunt when he's filmed it himself Is it? The evidence is plain to see.
The guy in question is acting like hes not bothered but in a recent post its obviously bothered him a bit to go out and order a Nash weighing tripod but then he doesn't even get it out the box and says what a piece of ****, if anyone wants to pay him a visit for a shank up he's giving out his address but states do it by the weekend to get it out the way.
The level of intelligence by this guy is outstanding give your address out when he breeds French bull dogs for a living and has a house full of fishing kit, I'll hazard a guess his next post might be about getting turned over tackle and dog thefts are probably not things to be posting about and giving out a full address.
The level of intelligence by this guy is outstanding give your address out when he breeds French bull dogs for a living and has a house full of fishing kit, I'll hazard a guess his next post might be about getting turned over tackle and dog thefts are probably not things to be posting about and giving out a full address.
In reply to Post #54
imagine being such a melon that you offer people out for a knife fight over the fact you were an idiot with fish care.
imagine being such a melon that you offer people out for a knife fight over the fact you were an idiot with fish care.
In reply to Post #55
Well hes not actually offering a knife fight more of a straighter but he's such a rudeboy I've put the shank bit in seems appropriate for such a Topboy.
Well hes not actually offering a knife fight more of a straighter but he's such a rudeboy I've put the shank bit in seems appropriate for such a Topboy.
In reply to Post #53
I'm saying how do you know the fish is dry? That he didn't just read the weight and run a dozen feet for his phone? That he didn't swing on the connection to the tree himself to check the strength?
I mean let's just jump to assumptions that he is going to stab people because he's brown too **** it...
Like I said it may well all be true, but people are talking about fighting the bloke rather than educating others
I'm saying how do you know the fish is dry? That he didn't just read the weight and run a dozen feet for his phone? That he didn't swing on the connection to the tree himself to check the strength?
I mean let's just jump to assumptions that he is going to stab people because he's brown too **** it...
Like I said it may well all be true, but people are talking about fighting the bloke rather than educating others
In reply to Post #57
Typical social media witch hunt, but to be fair, he hasnt exactly helped himself the way the clip is filmed
Typical social media witch hunt, but to be fair, he hasnt exactly helped himself the way the clip is filmed
In reply to Post #57
Call me old fashioned but I came into fishing from the age of four, catching Roach and Perch on our local canal with my Dad and learnt how to handle small fish first but these days young and older people come straight into the sport wanting to catch big Carp, they often spend mega bucks buying what they want, they learn about casting, rigs and bait etc but the last thing on their mind is how to care for the fish, I see it on this and many other forums and hear the same thing in tackle shops, "Where can I find a day ticket water where I can catch a 30 or 40", not asking how do I deal with a big Carp if I catch one, there is nothing we can really do if this is what they want to do only hope someone experienced is close by to help
Call me old fashioned but I came into fishing from the age of four, catching Roach and Perch on our local canal with my Dad and learnt how to handle small fish first but these days young and older people come straight into the sport wanting to catch big Carp, they often spend mega bucks buying what they want, they learn about casting, rigs and bait etc but the last thing on their mind is how to care for the fish, I see it on this and many other forums and hear the same thing in tackle shops, "Where can I find a day ticket water where I can catch a 30 or 40", not asking how do I deal with a big Carp if I catch one, there is nothing we can really do if this is what they want to do only hope someone experienced is close by to help
In reply to Post #57
Nobody's talking about fighting him I mentioned that he has put a social media clip out himself offering people up to his place if they want to sort it out, In the posts I've made about the shank bit is irrelevant to the colour of his skin everything this guy puts out is like watching an episode of Topboy my bad for making a joke of it I'll hold my hands up poor show, but the guy is comical.
You cannot defend the inexcusable whether the fish was wet/dry, or he's had a cup of tea weighed from the tree or not the facts on show that cannot be defended is the sling is not fully zipped up hes walking from some distance away with his phone whether he's popped to his bivvy to quickly grab it or not it would take a split second for the fish to start flapping with how near it is to the tree to swing against it possibly harming itself or for the sling zip to pop open and the fish to fall to the ground with no unhooking mat underneath it it's just not good fish care of a fish of any size.
Have a look at Junior Obeng rather than donfrenchie top class helmet full stop.
Nobody's talking about fighting him I mentioned that he has put a social media clip out himself offering people up to his place if they want to sort it out, In the posts I've made about the shank bit is irrelevant to the colour of his skin everything this guy puts out is like watching an episode of Topboy my bad for making a joke of it I'll hold my hands up poor show, but the guy is comical.
You cannot defend the inexcusable whether the fish was wet/dry, or he's had a cup of tea weighed from the tree or not the facts on show that cannot be defended is the sling is not fully zipped up hes walking from some distance away with his phone whether he's popped to his bivvy to quickly grab it or not it would take a split second for the fish to start flapping with how near it is to the tree to swing against it possibly harming itself or for the sling zip to pop open and the fish to fall to the ground with no unhooking mat underneath it it's just not good fish care of a fish of any size.
Have a look at Junior Obeng rather than donfrenchie top class helmet full stop.
In reply to Post #60
Spot on,I can't believe people are defending his actions
Spot on,I can't believe people are defending his actions
In reply to Post #60
Mate I know that you didn't mean anything by your comment, I was making an example of how easy it is to take things out of context online.
To be honest I've not got the time or interest to look at anything else to do with it, but that video didn't look like conclusive proof of anything worth being threatened for. He wouldn't be offering to sort it out face to face without provocation, maybe not on here (though being called a bell end etc), but 100% he'll be getting grief on instagram and FB. Even more so now people are circulating his details
Mate I know that you didn't mean anything by your comment, I was making an example of how easy it is to take things out of context online.
To be honest I've not got the time or interest to look at anything else to do with it, but that video didn't look like conclusive proof of anything worth being threatened for. He wouldn't be offering to sort it out face to face without provocation, maybe not on here (though being called a bell end etc), but 100% he'll be getting grief on instagram and FB. Even more so now people are circulating his details
In reply to Post #61
My sentiments exactly ... he´s a knobhead, end of
No excuses whatsoever
If you´re alone, after landing that "big carp", you either sack it or place it in a recovery sling, safely IN THE WATER, then either contact the Bailiff or another angler within the close vicinity, to help weigh & photo the fish. NO FISH should be left unattended ... END OF. Leave the fish in the water FIRST, then get all your camera gear, mat, setup. There´s absolutely no excuse to justify his actions. You don´t leave a carp hanging in a tree, to then run and get your phone(if that was the case, or run to get help)
Leave the carp in the water to recuperate, whilst you compose yourself, and have a quick cuppa, to ease the adrenaline rush, if one chooses to do so. Weighing from a sturdy tree branch isn´t the issue, if done RIGHT, taking all the necessary safety measures.
As a responsible angler, he should man up, admit the error of his ways, and realize that he has done wrong, and vow not to make that mistake again.
My sentiments exactly ... he´s a knobhead, end of
No excuses whatsoever If you´re alone, after landing that "big carp", you either sack it or place it in a recovery sling, safely IN THE WATER, then either contact the Bailiff or another angler within the close vicinity, to help weigh & photo the fish. NO FISH should be left unattended ... END OF. Leave the fish in the water FIRST, then get all your camera gear, mat, setup. There´s absolutely no excuse to justify his actions. You don´t leave a carp hanging in a tree, to then run and get your phone(if that was the case, or run to get help)
Leave the carp in the water to recuperate, whilst you compose yourself, and have a quick cuppa, to ease the adrenaline rush, if one chooses to do so. Weighing from a sturdy tree branch isn´t the issue, if done RIGHT, taking all the necessary safety measures.
As a responsible angler, he should man up, admit the error of his ways, and realize that he has done wrong, and vow not to make that mistake again.
In reply to Post #63
Why do you think you shouldnt deal with a big carp, photo weigh etc, on your own?
Why do you think you shouldnt deal with a big carp, photo weigh etc, on your own?
In reply to Post #64
Fish safety. Always best to have another pair of hands if possible isn't it? Not that you shouldn't do it on your own but ideally you'd have someone to help you out. Whether that's to weigh it, do the pics, get the water bucket, make you a brew or whatever. Most anglers like to share that moment with someone don't they?
Fish safety. Always best to have another pair of hands if possible isn't it? Not that you shouldn't do it on your own but ideally you'd have someone to help you out. Whether that's to weigh it, do the pics, get the water bucket, make you a brew or whatever. Most anglers like to share that moment with someone don't they?
In reply to Post #65
I go fishing for the peace and to enjoy my own company, and get away from people. Ive given up on asking others to help, as it is very rarely actually any help.
I make sure everything is ready before the fish comes out of the water, Water bucket, scales, camera etc. Set the intervalometer off on the camera and lift the fish. No need for anyone else, and hardly makes it any less safe does it.
I go fishing for the peace and to enjoy my own company, and get away from people. Ive given up on asking others to help, as it is very rarely actually any help.
I make sure everything is ready before the fish comes out of the water, Water bucket, scales, camera etc. Set the intervalometer off on the camera and lift the fish. No need for anyone else, and hardly makes it any less safe does it.
In reply to Post #65
A lot of us fish alone. You just get used to it.
If its a decent fish I can do a self.take easy enough.
I have a bankstick setup ready for the camera.
Scales are next to the cradle. Safety sling always across the cradle.
A lot of us fish alone. You just get used to it.
If its a decent fish I can do a self.take easy enough.
I have a bankstick setup ready for the camera.
Scales are next to the cradle. Safety sling always across the cradle.
In reply to Post #66
Nice one, similar to me
Nice one, similar to me
In reply to Post #67
I do most of my fishing alone and never have issues with keeping fish safe and doing pics. Although self takes are never going to be better than photos taken by someone that knows how to use a camera. I know who id call if I caught certain fish to share the moment with.
My point is that if you catch a 50 on a day ticket venue there are plenty of people about to give you a hand if you're not entirely comfortable doing it yourself for whatever reason. Plenty of anglers reel in to go see the big fish when they've come out on waters don't they. So there is always a few hands on deck, “goalkeeping” as it's been called.
As safe as it is if you do things properly and you're prepared when on your own, it would clearly be even safer with someone else helping you out. Don't think anyone here is saying you should never fish alone or it's unsafe to do so, just that more hands on deck make it safer and easier. Not sure why people are getting offended/defensive about fishing alone.
I do most of my fishing alone and never have issues with keeping fish safe and doing pics. Although self takes are never going to be better than photos taken by someone that knows how to use a camera. I know who id call if I caught certain fish to share the moment with.
My point is that if you catch a 50 on a day ticket venue there are plenty of people about to give you a hand if you're not entirely comfortable doing it yourself for whatever reason. Plenty of anglers reel in to go see the big fish when they've come out on waters don't they. So there is always a few hands on deck, “goalkeeping” as it's been called.
As safe as it is if you do things properly and you're prepared when on your own, it would clearly be even safer with someone else helping you out. Don't think anyone here is saying you should never fish alone or it's unsafe to do so, just that more hands on deck make it safer and easier. Not sure why people are getting offended/defensive about fishing alone.
In reply to Post #69
My point is that if you catch a 50 on a day ticket venue there are plenty of people about to give you a hand
Or alternatively, use a tree
My point is that if you catch a 50 on a day ticket venue there are plenty of people about to give you a hand
Or alternatively, use a tree
In reply to Post #69
There's only 3 posts after yours Greekski
And mine is one of them. I dont see anyone being defensive
It's a discussion of different views
There's only 3 posts after yours Greekski
And mine is one of them. I dont see anyone being defensive
It's a discussion of different views
In reply to Post #69
If I caught a 50 on a day ticket there wouldn't be an angler on the whole lake that didn't know about it!
If I caught a 50 on a day ticket there wouldn't be an angler on the whole lake that didn't know about it!
Alot of venues now ask anglers to call bailiffs if they catch fish over a certain size
In reply to Post #73
thats cause far too many in carp angling havent got a clue how to handle fish
thats cause far too many in carp angling havent got a clue how to handle fish
In reply to Post #74
proven in this instance that it's a good rule to have!
proven in this instance that it's a good rule to have!
Education education education
I suppose you cant really bleat about the consequences when you essentially invite everyone and their dog to fish your lakes
In reply to Post #77
Especially when all your interested in is the cash and can't bailiff it properly.
Especially when all your interested in is the cash and can't bailiff it properly.
In reply to Post #77
Agreed.
I will bet you that this type of thing happens every single day in almost every single county. Only difference is it's not normally filmed and it's not normally 50+.
Agreed.
I will bet you that this type of thing happens every single day in almost every single county. Only difference is it's not normally filmed and it's not normally 50+.
In reply to Post #79
I don't fish lakes like this and probably never will just doesn't interest me but where I fish anyway fish care is paramount to me and yeah where you live or go to fish there will be people who don't care about fish care what ever fish you fish for.
I've seen people pike fishing and no net or possibly possibly unhooking equipment as well and a lot of these carpers I see on the canal or the public lakes I fish don't have unhooking mats with them at all.
I don't fish lakes like this and probably never will just doesn't interest me but where I fish anyway fish care is paramount to me and yeah where you live or go to fish there will be people who don't care about fish care what ever fish you fish for.
I've seen people pike fishing and no net or possibly possibly unhooking equipment as well and a lot of these carpers I see on the canal or the public lakes I fish don't have unhooking mats with them at all.
In reply to Post #80
Fished it once many years ago, lovely place, but the type of people it attracts, its not for me
Fished it once many years ago, lovely place, but the type of people it attracts, its not for me
In reply to Post #81
I fish one muppet lake 2 times a year, it opens one's eyes ,
People who genuinely want to learn and ask the right questions
I've got time for, we are all learning
I fish one muppet lake 2 times a year, it opens one's eyes ,
People who genuinely want to learn and ask the right questions
I've got time for, we are all learning
In reply to Post #81
Too posh for you
Too posh for you
In reply to Post #83
didnt think it was posh there
didnt think it was posh there
In reply to Post #81
Fished it myself on socials 3 times over a few years. Stunning place, has a bit of everything and has had some nice looking fish in it over the years. The pastime has changed radically and this is just one example of where we are now, banks packed out, screaming idiots (amongst the genuine folk) and lack of the basic fundamentals of the pastime, not just fish care! god I sound boring
Fished it myself on socials 3 times over a few years. Stunning place, has a bit of everything and has had some nice looking fish in it over the years. The pastime has changed radically and this is just one example of where we are now, banks packed out, screaming idiots (amongst the genuine folk) and lack of the basic fundamentals of the pastime, not just fish care! god I sound boring
In reply to Post #64
Heff ... It´s not about dealing with a "big", alone. Fish care applies to all carp in the lake. If fish care knowledge is lacking, then you should seek assistance, but if you "actually care" about fish safety, then by all means do it yourself, and do it properly.
I too fish alone, and land some "BIG" carp, and handle weighing etc, by myself. I´ve stopped taking selfies of all my captures, but usually weigh & take mat shots, for documentation. I always have my tripod set up, with mat directly underneath, water bucket filled prior to lifting the carp out of the water.
1 - Carp recuperates in the net, in the water, after an adrenaline rush after playing the fish.
2 - Fill water bucket, and wet the mat.
3 - Net handle removed, and recovery sling slipped under the net with carp in it, and zip up sling.
4 - Lift sling out of the water & carefully place it on the mat.
5 - Remove the net, zip up the sling, lift & weigh the carp.
6 - Place sling carefully back on the mat, and unzip the sling
7a - If taking selfies, then organize your camera gear, tripod etc, mat position, should all be setup before step "1"
7b - If you´re not taking any selfies, then take afew mat shots, of both sides of the fish, if you choose to, and make sure you use your water bucket at different intervals.
8 - Place carp carefully, into the recovery sling, zip up carefully and place back into the water, and secure your sling, tied to a bankstick, for the carp to further recuperate, then release when the carp is ready to swim off.
Why is that so difficult to do 
Simple fish care EVERYTIME, so no excuses.
Leaving a large carp hanging in a sling, from a tree branch, unattended, for a prolonged period, is definately BAD FISH CARE Be reponsible for your actions !!!
Heff ... It´s not about dealing with a "big", alone. Fish care applies to all carp in the lake. If fish care knowledge is lacking, then you should seek assistance, but if you "actually care" about fish safety, then by all means do it yourself, and do it properly.
I too fish alone, and land some "BIG" carp, and handle weighing etc, by myself. I´ve stopped taking selfies of all my captures, but usually weigh & take mat shots, for documentation. I always have my tripod set up, with mat directly underneath, water bucket filled prior to lifting the carp out of the water.
1 - Carp recuperates in the net, in the water, after an adrenaline rush after playing the fish.
2 - Fill water bucket, and wet the mat.
3 - Net handle removed, and recovery sling slipped under the net with carp in it, and zip up sling.
4 - Lift sling out of the water & carefully place it on the mat.
5 - Remove the net, zip up the sling, lift & weigh the carp.
6 - Place sling carefully back on the mat, and unzip the sling
7a - If taking selfies, then organize your camera gear, tripod etc, mat position, should all be setup before step "1"
7b - If you´re not taking any selfies, then take afew mat shots, of both sides of the fish, if you choose to, and make sure you use your water bucket at different intervals.
8 - Place carp carefully, into the recovery sling, zip up carefully and place back into the water, and secure your sling, tied to a bankstick, for the carp to further recuperate, then release when the carp is ready to swim off.
Why is that so difficult to do
Simple fish care EVERYTIME, so no excuses.Leaving a large carp hanging in a sling, from a tree branch, unattended, for a prolonged period, is definately BAD FISH CARE
Be reponsible for your actions !!!
In reply to Post #86
I understand what you are saying but is it not for Bluebell to worry about, it's their fish, they don't sound too bothered with what's gone off. If the feedback is true, I'm sure some other places may have banned him
I understand what you are saying but is it not for Bluebell to worry about, it's their fish, they don't sound too bothered with what's gone off. If the feedback is true, I'm sure some other places may have banned him
In reply to Post #86
I'm all for fish care. You could argue that all that zipping and unzipping is asking for trouble.
Unhook the fish in the net, get in the water for a photo or at worst break the net down and roll it to evenly distribute the load on the fish. Because as scozza says their organs aren't evolved to take the loads of slings and weighing.
And everyone that is pouring water or on the fish' gills, that's like stamping on your chest while you can't breathe I'd have thought. Given they technically need to pass water the other way to ‘breathe'?
I'm not sure I'd weigh a 40 or 50, anything really. I don't want to know, surely there has to be some mystery left or old fisherman's tales will become a bit bland
I'm all for fish care. You could argue that all that zipping and unzipping is asking for trouble.
Unhook the fish in the net, get in the water for a photo or at worst break the net down and roll it to evenly distribute the load on the fish. Because as scozza says their organs aren't evolved to take the loads of slings and weighing.
And everyone that is pouring water or on the fish' gills, that's like stamping on your chest while you can't breathe I'd have thought. Given they technically need to pass water the other way to ‘breathe'?
I'm not sure I'd weigh a 40 or 50, anything really. I don't want to know, surely there has to be some mystery left or old fisherman's tales will become a bit bland
In reply to Post #86
Was you that specified ‘big carp' mate. My question was more along the lines of why are you posting on here as if everyone else is an idiot, or everyone fishes on a close knit syndicate where everyone knows what they are doing. There are idiots out there, and not sure they really care either way. Can't treat everyone like they are thick based on the lowest common denominator, we aren't the government .
And thank you for your step by step guide, not sure what I'd have done without it
Was you that specified ‘big carp' mate. My question was more along the lines of why are you posting on here as if everyone else is an idiot, or everyone fishes on a close knit syndicate where everyone knows what they are doing. There are idiots out there, and not sure they really care either way. Can't treat everyone like they are thick based on the lowest common denominator, we aren't the government .
And thank you for your step by step guide, not sure what I'd have done without it
In reply to Post #88
surely there has to be some mystery left or old fisherman's tales will become a bit bland
Has the mystery not gone already?
I am fortunate enough to know a few waters that see little action, I guess others do too. Most of the waters in the country everybody knows what is in them and the fish are lacking a lot of credibility for me, a 30 is just a 30, 40 or 50. At one time you were searching for waters (like the great mans book, still searching, what a tile!), nowadays there are loads of waters with said fish in, loads! It's conveyor belt carping too, well managed fisheries where nothing is irreplaceable and there are still loads of back up fish coming through to keep the punters coming, purely and strictly business, nothing to do with the foundations of this pastime sadly, all about the £
The wow factor has gone in a lot of cases for me, same old, same old (there's one, and there another one)
Every now and again though you see something special
surely there has to be some mystery left or old fisherman's tales will become a bit bland
Has the mystery not gone already?
I am fortunate enough to know a few waters that see little action, I guess others do too. Most of the waters in the country everybody knows what is in them and the fish are lacking a lot of credibility for me, a 30 is just a 30, 40 or 50. At one time you were searching for waters (like the great mans book, still searching, what a tile!), nowadays there are loads of waters with said fish in, loads! It's conveyor belt carping too, well managed fisheries where nothing is irreplaceable and there are still loads of back up fish coming through to keep the punters coming, purely and strictly business, nothing to do with the foundations of this pastime sadly, all about the £
The wow factor has gone in a lot of cases for me, same old, same old (there's one, and there another one)
Every now and again though you see something special
I'm all about the fish care
That's why I intentionally never catch them - saves them so much stress and potential injury.
Nothing at all to do with my angling skills...
I'm with noj. If you can safely unhook in the water and let them rest up a bit there then why not? But I'm not one for the Facebook trophy shots so maybe it's simpler for me. If I caught a real monster then I guess a picture would be good to bore the wife with but I mostly fish solo so unless there's another angler nearby it's probably not happening
That's why I intentionally never catch them - saves them so much stress and potential injury.
Nothing at all to do with my angling skills...
I'm with noj. If you can safely unhook in the water and let them rest up a bit there then why not? But I'm not one for the Facebook trophy shots so maybe it's simpler for me. If I caught a real monster then I guess a picture would be good to bore the wife with but I mostly fish solo so unless there's another angler nearby it's probably not happening
Deep margins, pair of chesties, it's feasible.
I don't think there are many carp anglers out there who will not weigh and photograph the fish they catch, we often wait long enough and we remember them with a trophy shot or two
One word, sensible
Couple more, knob heads
There is enough information around to tell or teach people how to handle fish correctly. Basic fundamentals of carpfishing, end of story.
How do we police it, 5 million internet police or fishery rules and a good bailiff or 3
I don't think there are many carp anglers out there who will not weigh and photograph the fish they catch, we often wait long enough and we remember them with a trophy shot or two
One word, sensible
Couple more, knob heads
There is enough information around to tell or teach people how to handle fish correctly. Basic fundamentals of carpfishing, end of story.
How do we police it, 5 million internet police or fishery rules and a good bailiff or 3
In reply to Post #1
Saw the video briefly, I think the geezer has swallowed an NWA vinyl to help wash down his fink food cornflakes.
Got absolutely zero interest in the likes of Bluebell and Linear, mainly because its frequented by absolute weapons.
Back in the 90's these people wasn't seen by water, they were selling ten bags on the estate.
Saw the video briefly, I think the geezer has swallowed an NWA vinyl to help wash down his fink food cornflakes.
Got absolutely zero interest in the likes of Bluebell and Linear, mainly because its frequented by absolute weapons.
Back in the 90's these people wasn't seen by water, they were selling ten bags on the estate.
In reply to Post #93
Back in the 90's these people wasn't seen by water, they were selling ten bags on the estate
Deffo more mongs around nowadays, off the street to hanging around the banks
Back in the 90's these people wasn't seen by water, they were selling ten bags on the estate
Deffo more mongs around nowadays, off the street to hanging around the banks
In reply to Post #93
I blame Nash
I blame Nash
In reply to Post #93
Bags were actually a score but there was always respectable hash for 15 quid..
In the 90s I was no doubt float fishing and listening to nwa or jungle tape packs on a walkman
Bags were actually a score but there was always respectable hash for 15 quid..
In the 90s I was no doubt float fishing and listening to nwa or jungle tape packs on a walkman
In reply to Post #95
What old smiler,never.
What old smiler,never.
Judging by some of the comments in this thread, you'd think lake and river banks nationwide were thronged with people doing lines of beak off of bivvy tables, clad head to toe in shell suits. Perhaps try to not fish for mutant Simmos in mud puddles?
In reply to Post #89
My question was more along the lines of why are you posting on here as if everyone else is an idiot
Fish care applies to everyone, innit ? Those who don´t practice safe fish care are idiot, end of.
There are those that honestly don´t a give a dogs breath, about proper fish care and need to be schooled.
For your information, i can bloody well post on any thread i like, and if you feel that you´re been treated like an idiot, then maybe you are. Take a look in the mirror, and ask yourself that same question. The only idiot in question, is the idiot hanging a carp in a tree, for a "prolonged period of time", with the internal organs taking a beating due to the weight distribution, if the carp kicks off, and ends up, in the upright position.
Because as scozza says their organs aren't evolved to take the loads of slings and weighing.
And everyone that is pouring water or on the fish' gills, that's like stamping on your chest while you can't breathe I'd have thought.
Slings and weighing are all part of the sport, so that´s why, if you do intend on using em, then please use them wisely.
Not everyone is pouring water on the fish´gills, are they Those that are, should be schooled and not scorned, so please explain to those that do, what exactly happens when you pour water directly on the fish´gills Not everyone knows everything, and you´re never to old to learn. Fish outta water needs to be kept moist ... that´s what she said
Only idiot i see is the lad hanging a 50ty up in the tree, for a prolonged period of time. Heff ... if you feel you´ve been treated like an idiot, then maybe you are one Loads of folks getting into the sport, that need to be put on the right track, from the get go, and browse these forums looking for answers. Not all have a clue about fish care, so if that post of mine helps just one person, then i´m satisfied. That post is for anyone that doesn´t have a clue, or needs to be reminded about proper fish care. Not everyone knows everything like you do. Come to my lake & hang a 50ty in a tree, and i´ll hang you up by the gonads, and see if you like it
My question was more along the lines of why are you posting on here as if everyone else is an idiot
Fish care applies to everyone, innit ? Those who don´t practice safe fish care are idiot, end of.
There are those that honestly don´t a give a dogs breath, about proper fish care and need to be schooled.
For your information, i can bloody well post on any thread i like, and if you feel that you´re been treated like an idiot, then maybe you are. Take a look in the mirror, and ask yourself that same question. The only idiot in question, is the idiot hanging a carp in a tree, for a "prolonged period of time", with the internal organs taking a beating due to the weight distribution, if the carp kicks off, and ends up, in the upright position.
Because as scozza says their organs aren't evolved to take the loads of slings and weighing.
And everyone that is pouring water or on the fish' gills, that's like stamping on your chest while you can't breathe I'd have thought.
Slings and weighing are all part of the sport, so that´s why, if you do intend on using em, then please use them wisely.
Not everyone is pouring water on the fish´gills, are they
Those that are, should be schooled and not scorned, so please explain to those that do, what exactly happens when you pour water directly on the fish´gills Not everyone knows everything, and you´re never to old to learn. Fish outta water needs to be kept moist ... that´s what she said Only idiot i see is the lad hanging a 50ty up in the tree, for a prolonged period of time. Heff ... if you feel you´ve been treated like an idiot, then maybe you are one
Loads of folks getting into the sport, that need to be put on the right track, from the get go, and browse these forums looking for answers. Not all have a clue about fish care, so if that post of mine helps just one person, then i´m satisfied. That post is for anyone that doesn´t have a clue, or needs to be reminded about proper fish care. Not everyone knows everything like you do. Come to my lake & hang a 50ty in a tree, and i´ll hang you up by the gonads, and see if you like it
In reply to Post #99
Alright precious, no one said you couldnt post where you want, but you made a sweeping statement about not handling big fish alone. I challenged that. Get over it. Dont start calling people you dont know idiots, add to that your patronising attitude, and you sound like a lovely bloke.
And im not saying the guy in question is not an idiot, im just questioning the sweeping statements you have made
Alright precious, no one said you couldnt post where you want, but you made a sweeping statement about not handling big fish alone. I challenged that. Get over it. Dont start calling people you dont know idiots, add to that your patronising attitude, and you sound like a lovely bloke.
And im not saying the guy in question is not an idiot, im just questioning the sweeping statements you have made
In reply to Post #100
you made a sweeping statement about not handling big fish alone
Sometimes english is hard to understand, if you interpret things wrong.
If one is not used to handling big carp ALONE, then next bet is to seek help from someone else, if possible.
Is that so hard to understand The lad on the vid, surely isn´t capable, as shown, so according to his scenario, he should get help from someone who practices safe fish care. Why do you get so defensive, when all we´re trying to do is right a wrong
The Heff : Why do you think you shouldnt deal with a big carp, photo weigh etc, on your own?
2nd Chance : Heff ... It´s not about dealing with a "big", alone. Fish care applies to all carp in the lake. If fish care knowledge is lacking, then you should seek assistance, but if you "actually care" about fish safety, then by all means do it yourself, and do it properly.
You asked and got an answer, so what you on about, my precious ? Go roll one and chillout, mate
Oh and for the record, no hard feelings mate, all good banter luv ya
As for handling big gals, i manage just fine, hanging me ol dutch, in my bedroom sÖx swing, and she copes well, for a prolonged period of time
you made a sweeping statement about not handling big fish alone
Sometimes english is hard to understand, if you interpret things wrong.
If one is not used to handling big carp ALONE, then next bet is to seek help from someone else, if possible.
Is that so hard to understand
The lad on the vid, surely isn´t capable, as shown, so according to his scenario, he should get help from someone who practices safe fish care. Why do you get so defensive, when all we´re trying to do is right a wrong The Heff : Why do you think you shouldnt deal with a big carp, photo weigh etc, on your own?
2nd Chance : Heff ... It´s not about dealing with a "big", alone. Fish care applies to all carp in the lake. If fish care knowledge is lacking, then you should seek assistance, but if you "actually care" about fish safety, then by all means do it yourself, and do it properly.
You asked and got an answer, so what you on about, my precious ? Go roll one and chillout, mate
Oh and for the record, no hard feelings mate, all good banter
luv ya As for handling big gals, i manage just fine, hanging me ol dutch, in my bedroom sÖx swing, and she copes well, for a prolonged period of time
In reply to Post #101
Or maybe what you wrote, was understood as it was written.. Maybe its not my understanding of it thats the issue, perhaps its the english used thats the problem. And perhaps the wording should be better next time if were going to go down that road.
And the lad on the video clearly had help, but the help is clearly not very good. The statements you made, suggested that no one should do stuff alone, they werent aimed at that scenario, they were generalising that situation.
Im not really sure what you consider was me being defensive, or how you consider being all preachy on here to be righting a wrong.
Or maybe what you wrote, was understood as it was written.. Maybe its not my understanding of it thats the issue, perhaps its the english used thats the problem. And perhaps the wording should be better next time if were going to go down that road.
And the lad on the video clearly had help, but the help is clearly not very good. The statements you made, suggested that no one should do stuff alone, they werent aimed at that scenario, they were generalising that situation.
Im not really sure what you consider was me being defensive, or how you consider being all preachy on here to be righting a wrong.
In reply to Post #102
perhaps its the english used thats the problem.
thats = that´s or that is
if were = if we´re or we are
werent aimed = weren´t or were not aimed
English is all about grammar
“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
― Mark Twain
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perhaps its the english used thats the problem.
thats = that´s or that is
if were = if we´re or we are
werent aimed = weren´t or were not aimed
English is all about grammar
“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
― Mark Twain
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In reply to Post #103
When all else fails, pull people up on their spelling and grammar
When all else fails, pull people up on their spelling and grammar
In reply to Post #104
Then a few emojis and a nice quote to try and force that desperation home.
Then a few emojis and a nice quote to try and force that desperation home.
In reply to Post #103
Edit
Oops, sorry, just realised what I had quoted was actually a quote of someone else's post........ I only pointed it out as I thought the teacher in class had also made a mistake!
Back to fish care........
Edit
Oops, sorry, just realised what I had quoted was actually a quote of someone else's post........ I only pointed it out as I thought the teacher in class had also made a mistake!
Back to fish care........
Representatives from the all England regional local spelling bee clubs are facing off in such a gloriously pretentious manner once again highlighting the overflowing pisspots at modern carp anglers feet.🥱🤏🧐🤫
In reply to Post #103
Maybe read your post 99 again before criticising others. X
Maybe read your post 99 again before criticising others. X
In reply to Post #101
Fish care should apply to ALL FISH in the lake. A lot of carp ‘anglers' could do with remembering that.
Fish care should apply to ALL FISH in the lake. A lot of carp ‘anglers' could do with remembering that.
In reply to Post #109
Agreed. Except for bream
That's a joke before anyone gets upset.
Agreed. Except for bream
That's a joke before anyone gets upset.
Lot of editing gone on on some of these posts
Anglers should remember that we all do shocking fish care by hooking fish with a sharp piece of metal in its mouth, then reeling in a distressed animal which is suffering and confused, then lifted onto land where fish can't breathe! Then it is weighed to see how fat it is, as we feed them bait to make them more obese. Then pictures are taken before it is returned back to its watery home! A lot of ego in carp fishing!
In reply to Post #110
B.L.M,Bream Lives Matter
B.L.M,Bream Lives Matter
In reply to Post #112
Give it up.
Give it up.
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