Who actually came up with the very first version of Milk B+ back in the 70s/80s, and what was it primarily used as, in a bait, other than powdered flavour or palatant enhancer/feeding stimulant ? Anyone know the actual composition used way back then? Lactose + vanillin + ???
In reply to Post #1
There's actually lots of them, appetite stimulators for pigs
There's actually lots of them, appetite stimulators for pigs
In reply to Post #1
I am pretty sure it is originally a palatant for feed, cattle and/or pigs.
Also pretty sure it is vanillin and some lactones in the mix.
I am pretty sure it is originally a palatant for feed, cattle and/or pigs.
Also pretty sure it is vanillin and some lactones in the mix.
In reply to Post #2
iv'e never seen a pig that needs stimulating to eat
iv'e never seen a pig that needs stimulating to eat
In reply to Post #4
Some say it is mainly added because a farmer is more stimulated to buy a feed that smells sweet and vanilla-ish than a more bland one
Some say it is mainly added because a farmer is more stimulated to buy a feed that smells sweet and vanilla-ish than a more bland one
In reply to Post #4
Perhaps not, but I can count three brochures infront of me selling it as such lol.
Maybe it's to ween them off the mother's milk? Can't say I ever kept pigs but I can say, with conviction, then I know what I pay for 🤣
Perhaps not, but I can count three brochures infront of me selling it as such lol.
Maybe it's to ween them off the mother's milk? Can't say I ever kept pigs but I can say, with conviction, then I know what I pay for 🤣
In reply to Post #4
Damn pigs don´t need stimulating at all, so that´s a BIG myth. Greedy hogs can do away with a cadaver in no time at all.
The "mothers milk" sustenance theory is a plausible one.
Might be the Holy Grail of bait ingredients, lactating milk straight from her breasts. Several natural lactones, ethyl vanillin and gamma-Nonanolactone.
Was Milky B available when Pruteen did the rounds ?
Damn pigs don´t need stimulating at all, so that´s a BIG myth. Greedy hogs can do away with a cadaver in no time at all.
The "mothers milk" sustenance theory is a plausible one.
Might be the Holy Grail of bait ingredients, lactating milk straight from her breasts. Several natural lactones, ethyl vanillin and gamma-Nonanolactone.Was Milky B available when Pruteen did the rounds ?
In reply to Post #7
I'm sure some pigs are fussier than others, there's a few options in the canteen at selhurst park....
I'm sure some pigs are fussier than others, there's a few options in the canteen at selhurst park....
In reply to Post #7
Could have been used by you know who...
In the you know what thread ....
Could have been used by you know who...
In the you know what thread ....
In reply to Post #1
If my memory serves me right it was the original cotswold baits that first started selling it. No idea what's in it, but like others have said it is produced for the pig farming industry.
If my memory serves me right it was the original cotswold baits that first started selling it. No idea what's in it, but like others have said it is produced for the pig farming industry.
In reply to Post #8
Don't forget that the only goal of pig farming is to sell the 'bacon' as fast as possible and as large as possible.
That's also the reason why numerous researcher are trying to find cure to the intenstial worms that slow the growth of pigs.
(This is what I get straight from the source as I've got 2 friends with a PhD covering that topic)
Don't forget that the only goal of pig farming is to sell the 'bacon' as fast as possible and as large as possible.
That's also the reason why numerous researcher are trying to find cure to the intenstial worms that slow the growth of pigs.
(This is what I get straight from the source as I've got 2 friends with a PhD covering that topic)
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in all my years in the industry, ive never seen a fussy eating pig
i studied animal science at Bristol uni (Honours degree) and we did tests on the affects on CO2 and pigs behaviour
Perspex box, full of apples with a "cat flap" door in it so the pig could push in and feed
first few days, no Co2 - pig eat all it liked
3 and 4th day - we added 50% Co2 and 50% O2 - pig would gorge itself until it nearly collapsed, took its head out of said box, it then learnt to take deep breaths and recover, then feed
5th and 6th day - 85% anoxic mixture (Co2)+ 15% O2. pig fed, collapsed whilst feeding, dropped onto the floor and recovered soon after, shook its head and went in for round two, Collapsed and repeated
by the 7th day the same pig learnt how to hold its breath, take an apple, get its head out of the box, eat and then repeated
proper impressed with that and how it learnt
in all my years in the industry, ive never seen a fussy eating pig
i studied animal science at Bristol uni (Honours degree) and we did tests on the affects on CO2 and pigs behaviour
Perspex box, full of apples with a "cat flap" door in it so the pig could push in and feed
first few days, no Co2 - pig eat all it liked
3 and 4th day - we added 50% Co2 and 50% O2 - pig would gorge itself until it nearly collapsed, took its head out of said box, it then learnt to take deep breaths and recover, then feed
5th and 6th day - 85% anoxic mixture (Co2)+ 15% O2. pig fed, collapsed whilst feeding, dropped onto the floor and recovered soon after, shook its head and went in for round two, Collapsed and repeated
by the 7th day the same pig learnt how to hold its breath, take an apple, get its head out of the box, eat and then repeated
proper impressed with that and how it learnt
In reply to Post #11
It smelt like horlics and cinnamon to me.
It smelt like horlics and cinnamon to me.
In reply to Post #12
I don't doubt you haven't seen a fussy pig, but neither do I doubt in a five minute google search you could find a petite stimulants for them. They exist, needed or not thst fact is binary and some of them carp quite like lol
I don't doubt you haven't seen a fussy pig, but neither do I doubt in a five minute google search you could find a petite stimulants for them. They exist, needed or not thst fact is binary and some of them carp quite like lol
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i have seen weak piglets that struggle to feed, therefore yield is low, therefore milks provide "bulking" up nutrition
same with calves that struggle to gain weight, fed on the same stuff.
i have seen weak piglets that struggle to feed, therefore yield is low, therefore milks provide "bulking" up nutrition
same with calves that struggle to gain weight, fed on the same stuff.
I reckon mozzi is correct about the weaning. I'm sure I read something about cream stimulants being added to pellet feed to make it more palatable thus massively increasing weight gai in piglets.
In reply to Post #10
It´s supposed to help the weanling pigs with their dietary transition from sow´s milk to solid foods, apparently increasing palatibilty.
It´s supposed to help the weanling pigs with their dietary transition from sow´s milk to solid foods, apparently increasing palatibilty.
In reply to Post #17
small quantities, high value nutrition
small quantities, high value nutrition
In reply to Post #18
Is that what you say to the ladies 🤣🤣🤣
Is that what you say to the ladies 🤣🤣🤣
In reply to Post #18
Always wondered why my bacon butty tasted alittle milky B
Always wondered why my bacon butty tasted alittle milky B
In reply to Post #19
ive said alot worst mate
ive said alot worst mate
Those of you impressed by the relentless feeding abilities of a pig, have clearly never shared your life with a Labrador.
I'm convinced that every part of the Labrador has evolved purely to help it eat more effectively. I'm sure they only developed legs to carry the stomach around.
I'm convinced that every part of the Labrador has evolved purely to help it eat more effectively. I'm sure they only developed legs to carry the stomach around.
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ive got two labs
ive got two labs
In reply to Post #12
That's great. I am like that with hard liquor. Collapse/repeat.
I am sure there is something to learn in fishing from this. Carp may be a lot dumber than pigs but learning pattern I assume is similar.
That's great. I am like that with hard liquor. Collapse/repeat.
I am sure there is something to learn in fishing from this. Carp may be a lot dumber than pigs but learning pattern I assume is similar.
In reply to Post #24
association with danger
association with danger
In reply to Post #23
I saw 3 well behaved labs with Lucy's bowl at the weekend, lovely things so well trained yet so young.
Literally people were making so much noise bang crash wallop and hardly noticed by em, yet I know a few labs where from the moment they wake up they're friggen liabilities to the moment they go to bed lol
It shows the difference an owner can make to a dog, I don't believe in bad dogs just bad owners now, and that we shouldn't judge by breed,
I saw 3 well behaved labs with Lucy's bowl at the weekend, lovely things so well trained yet so young.
Literally people were making so much noise bang crash wallop and hardly noticed by em, yet I know a few labs where from the moment they wake up they're friggen liabilities to the moment they go to bed lol
It shows the difference an owner can make to a dog, I don't believe in bad dogs just bad owners now, and that we shouldn't judge by breed,
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I had to laugh when I saw some advice for feeding Labrador puppies. Never feed your pup more than it can eat in 5 minutes. A lab will eat until it throws up, and then eat the puke. If you are daft enough to let it. Yes I learnt that the hard way.
I had to laugh when I saw some advice for feeding Labrador puppies. Never feed your pup more than it can eat in 5 minutes. A lab will eat until it throws up, and then eat the puke. If you are daft enough to let it. Yes I learnt that the hard way.
Hi there
any ideas on the best place to get some of this Milky B +.
Thanks
any ideas on the best place to get some of this Milky B +.
Thanks
In reply to Post #28
DT Baits Milk B+
Must admit, i´m now addicted to it Everytime i enter the bait kitchen, i have to take a sniff of milky B, before i do anything else
DT Baits Milk B+
Must admit, i´m now addicted to it
Everytime i enter the bait kitchen, i have to take a sniff of milky B, before i do anything else
In reply to Post #12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3qy4Zv4snI
"Never trust a man with a pig farm"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3qy4Zv4snI
"Never trust a man with a pig farm"
In reply to Post #30
Classic.
Classic.
In the 80s & 90s there was a liquid doing the rounds among the cognoscenti known as Pig (or piglet) Weaner. It was a golden coloured, quite thick liquid with a very distinct buttery, vanilla-ry smell that could be used at quite high levels. I believe in the mid 90s Richworth marketed it as Bird Feed Enhancer and Nutrabaits as Cream Cajouser. At the same time a very fine white powder, said to be a non-liquid version, was finding favour. This certainly smelled very similar. I believe it was the original Cotswold Baits Milk B, and it is no coindicence that a certain well respected scientist/carp angler was connected to Cotswold Baits and had contacts at Pancosma, an agricultural food producer, apparently the source of the products.
In reply to Post #7
Was Milky B available when Pruteen did the rounds ?
Yes it was (see below). And who used a lot of Pruteen back in the day...?
Was Milky B available when Pruteen did the rounds ?
Yes it was (see below). And who used a lot of Pruteen back in the day...?
In reply to Post #33
As far as I know pruteen was developed for pig feed, however the pigs wouldn't eat it despite it's good nutritional profile because they didn't like the taste. It was in the ritchworth tutti frutti and probably other baits at the time. They were not "crap" baits the bad taste of the pruteen was masked by castor sugar and the added flavour. Both of which were found to be favourable to carp.
As far as I know pruteen was developed for pig feed, however the pigs wouldn't eat it despite it's good nutritional profile because they didn't like the taste. It was in the ritchworth tutti frutti and probably other baits at the time. They were not "crap" baits the bad taste of the pruteen was masked by castor sugar and the added flavour. Both of which were found to be favourable to carp.
In reply to Post #34
Strange that the pigs wouldn't eat it, yet ICI sold the technology to Rank Hovis who went on to produce Quorn using the same technique...
Strange that the pigs wouldn't eat it, yet ICI sold the technology to Rank Hovis who went on to produce Quorn using the same technique...
In reply to Post #35
Must have found a way to improve or mask the taste.
Must have found a way to improve or mask the taste.
In reply to Post #35
It wasn't the same culture.
ICI made Pruteen first then stopped making it as wasn't giving viable margins, they used the technology to work with Rank Hovis to develop Quorn.
Im think it was Rank Hovis who sold out first to ICI in the 90's but may be incorrect.
It wasn't the same culture.
ICI made Pruteen first then stopped making it as wasn't giving viable margins, they used the technology to work with Rank Hovis to develop Quorn.
Im think it was Rank Hovis who sold out first to ICI in the 90's but may be incorrect.
In reply to Post #35
Strange that the pigs wouldn't eat it
Apparently pigs are VERY fussy eaters, despite what we think.
Strange that the pigs wouldn't eat it
Apparently pigs are VERY fussy eaters, despite what we think.
Would a pig eat a bag of Richworth Tuttis though? I suspect the answer is yes and ICI missed a trick!
In reply to Post #32
Ken I believe this was the same stuff Chris Haswell sold through his bait company as Mental Juice. I believe Pig Nectar was the trade name or something.
Ken I believe this was the same stuff Chris Haswell sold through his bait company as Mental Juice. I believe Pig Nectar was the trade name or something.
In reply to Post #40
Yep, you are correct...Pig Nectar, not Weaner.
Yep, you are correct...Pig Nectar, not Weaner.
In reply to Post #40
We had thousands of pigs in those days and were into everything pig , must say never heard of Pig Nectar ,there was TUCKS Instant wean which was first I came across.
I suspect it was probably Palasweet trade name for Talin which was marketed by Tate and Lyle to put in the water of newly weaned piglets to encourage liquid intake.
It was brown in colour and similar to water in consistency so who ever sold it could have mixed it with glycerine to make it into a thicker. it cost £20 per litre.
We had thousands of pigs in those days and were into everything pig , must say never heard of Pig Nectar ,there was TUCKS Instant wean which was first I came across.
I suspect it was probably Palasweet trade name for Talin which was marketed by Tate and Lyle to put in the water of newly weaned piglets to encourage liquid intake.
It was brown in colour and similar to water in consistency so who ever sold it could have mixed it with glycerine to make it into a thicker. it cost £20 per litre.
How much of this would you put into a 1kilo mix in summer and winter ?
In reply to Post #43
I use 6 or 7 grams per kilo
I use 6 or 7 grams per kilo
In reply to Post #43
Varies on the potency of the powder and where it comes from, anything from 1 to 5g is usually sufficient, you can add more if you wish but it starts to take over the smell of the bait if you're going to add other ingredients
Varies on the potency of the powder and where it comes from, anything from 1 to 5g is usually sufficient, you can add more if you wish but it starts to take over the smell of the bait if you're going to add other ingredients
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