I've just counted and I have 58 pots of different pop ups and wafters - Just old of hand now!
Who else a silly amount and are you going to clear them out?
Who else a silly amount and are you going to clear them out?
In reply to Post #1
Yep had loads, so went floater fishing
Yep had loads, so went floater fishing
In reply to Post #1
Nope,
Just one type in 2 different sizes
Nope,
Just one type in 2 different sizes
In reply to Post #1
I used up most of my old pop ups when using Ian russel's flick rig. If you haven't used it, it's great in the right circumstances.
I used up most of my old pop ups when using Ian russel's flick rig. If you haven't used it, it's great in the right circumstances.
Have well over 100 pots I've collected probably closer to 150 pots. I'm a sucker for a pot of hookbaits 😩 did have a clear out of about 40 pots a while ago and in my bait box it looks no different
In reply to Post #1
Any ones I have left over I blend them up and add them to my stick mix so hopefully they rise slowly in the water columns
Any ones I have left over I blend them up and add them to my stick mix so hopefully they rise slowly in the water columns
A couple in a bit of mesh nicked on the hook work nicely; always come off and give you something to aim at when the hit the surface
In reply to Post #7
Please no one do this. Some of the ingredients within pop ups are harmful to the environment and should never be allowed to enter tge waterways untethered. Even when throwing baits away after a fish etc just use your waste bin.
Please no one do this. Some of the ingredients within pop ups are harmful to the environment and should never be allowed to enter tge waterways untethered. Even when throwing baits away after a fish etc just use your waste bin.
In reply to Post #8
Mozzi, I'm glad you have bought this to light. So you are saying that every pop up bait on sale is harmful to the environment? They should NEVER be allowed to enter the waterways because they are so dangerous?
Surely something must be done? Maybe warning labels on every pot of pop ups on sale so that people know that pop ups contain ingredients that are harmful to the environment.
Perhaps you could use your contacts in the industry to get these measures into place before it's too late?
Mozzi, I'm glad you have bought this to light. So you are saying that every pop up bait on sale is harmful to the environment? They should NEVER be allowed to enter the waterways because they are so dangerous?
Surely something must be done? Maybe warning labels on every pot of pop ups on sale so that people know that pop ups contain ingredients that are harmful to the environment.
Perhaps you could use your contacts in the industry to get these measures into place before it's too late?
In reply to Post #9
I thought people stopped using glass spheres for popups?
I thought people stopped using glass spheres for popups?
In reply to Post #10
A few hear or there isn't going to effect things but I see a lot of people throw old hookbaits in the margins / use for PVA foam type applications and stick mixes and it's just not cricket really.
Yes, I'd say 99% of air all pop ups like mentioned do contain components that's aren't cleared for feed / where you'll have a warning about it entering the environment en mass. It's designed to be encapsulateled and reduce the density of thinks like plastics, building fillers etc.
I can't force through legislations anymore than you. You'll notice on a lot of packs they say “buoyancy aid” and that's one of four products. None are great in the environment.
Cork is better but not always ideal in fluorocarbon as it darkens them.
It's just common sense and consideration for where you're fishing isn't it?
A few hear or there isn't going to effect things but I see a lot of people throw old hookbaits in the margins / use for PVA foam type applications and stick mixes and it's just not cricket really.
Yes, I'd say 99% of air all pop ups like mentioned do contain components that's aren't cleared for feed / where you'll have a warning about it entering the environment en mass. It's designed to be encapsulateled and reduce the density of thinks like plastics, building fillers etc.
I can't force through legislations anymore than you. You'll notice on a lot of packs they say “buoyancy aid” and that's one of four products. None are great in the environment.
Cork is better but not always ideal in fluorocarbon as it darkens them.
It's just common sense and consideration for where you're fishing isn't it?
In reply to Post #11
Nah mate more wide spread than ever, those who've “moved on” from glass spheres are using spheres made of equally if not even worst environmental credentials.
You can add things like krill meal / ground up floating pellets etc to a pva bag and use foam or pva bags of dig mixes in flick rig bags etc. Or the wifey avaliable corn starch nuggets if sight is an issue.
People mock it ( not you ) but even the most minute actions build up and cause a greater effect in the long run, the more we can do to responsibly care for the environment the better.
Nah mate more wide spread than ever, those who've “moved on” from glass spheres are using spheres made of equally if not even worst environmental credentials.
You can add things like krill meal / ground up floating pellets etc to a pva bag and use foam or pva bags of dig mixes in flick rig bags etc. Or the wifey avaliable corn starch nuggets if sight is an issue.
People mock it ( not you ) but even the most minute actions build up and cause a greater effect in the long run, the more we can do to responsibly care for the environment the better.
In reply to Post #13
That's always good to know thanks, bluebeat13 is not the only guilty one to use a popup as a marker for presentation as I've done this in a past.
That's always good to know thanks, bluebeat13 is not the only guilty one to use a popup as a marker for presentation as I've done this in a past.
In reply to Post #14
Done it myself after taking them off at the end of a session.
Put it in the tackle box, and add it to a stringer or bag next session.
I had far too many tubs of pop-ups:
Monster Crab, Squid and Octopus, Strawberry Ice cream, Scopex, Plum, Pineapple N-butyric, Aniseed, Tutti-Frutti, Spiced Garlic, Raspberry and Black Pepper, Krill and Garlic, and more.
Of those listed 3 or 4 caught most but with that the first 2 were mostly used as the topper on a snowman baits over my food bait. The Pineapple and the Spiced Garlic are the other Catchers.
Mozzi,
Do you have any info regarding buoyancy 'ingredients' in pop-up mixes from bait companies?
I normally used to get my base mix, sieve it and add an amount of sodium caseinate to make my own pop-ups.
Done it myself after taking them off at the end of a session.
Put it in the tackle box, and add it to a stringer or bag next session.
I had far too many tubs of pop-ups:
Monster Crab, Squid and Octopus, Strawberry Ice cream, Scopex, Plum, Pineapple N-butyric, Aniseed, Tutti-Frutti, Spiced Garlic, Raspberry and Black Pepper, Krill and Garlic, and more.
Of those listed 3 or 4 caught most but with that the first 2 were mostly used as the topper on a snowman baits over my food bait. The Pineapple and the Spiced Garlic are the other Catchers.
Mozzi,
Do you have any info regarding buoyancy 'ingredients' in pop-up mixes from bait companies?
I normally used to get my base mix, sieve it and add an amount of sodium caseinate to make my own pop-ups.
i use my old ones to cast out a rig rather than pva nuggets, 2 in a mesh bag and cast out.
no chance of it not melting or staying on.
plus i like the site marker that i can use as a target for baiting up.
no chance of it not melting or staying on.
plus i like the site marker that i can use as a target for baiting up.
In reply to Post #13
You could argue that it's the sale of those pop ups by manufacturers that's the problem, not I'll informed anglers using them as sight markers or discarding them.
The fact unsustainable oceanic stock is depleted to satisfy the unnatural numbers of hungry carp bred for sport and bait trends, you could say the bait industry is nature's biggest enemy 🤷🏻♂️
You could argue that it's the sale of those pop ups by manufacturers that's the problem, not I'll informed anglers using them as sight markers or discarding them.
The fact unsustainable oceanic stock is depleted to satisfy the unnatural numbers of hungry carp bred for sport and bait trends, you could say the bait industry is nature's biggest enemy 🤷🏻♂️
Very,very interesting thread this..I only have two depleted tubs of pop ups..
Mozzi ,which products ,companies use all these nasty components to make em.pop up?
Pm me if you want to..,so as not to start ww3...
👌
Mozzi ,which products ,companies use all these nasty components to make em.pop up?
Pm me if you want to..,so as not to start ww3...
👌
In reply to Post #15
Adding a Caseinate would with most basemix, at best, make wafters. Going by today's standards I mean.
Most of them use a product called micro encapsulated glass spheres, the ones who say they don't use spheres, use the plastic ones. There are also ceramic avaliable. They're often filled with a temperature stable gas depending on the application. They are sold by PSI rating, density and micron size.
They're potentially carcinogenic.
To use them in manufacture you should be using a full face covering and positive pressure breathing equipment. Nasty stuff. It's one of the things that caused a well known bait maker to step out the game for health reasons.
Once mixed into a pop up mix, generally speaking it's fine to work with as it's not airborne any longer due to fat molecules from other ingredients sticking to it, which is why soya flour is often an ingredient.
The worry isn't so much immediate damage to an animal ingesting it so much as it breaking down and re releasing contaminants into the water body.
Adding a Caseinate would with most basemix, at best, make wafters. Going by today's standards I mean.
Most of them use a product called micro encapsulated glass spheres, the ones who say they don't use spheres, use the plastic ones. There are also ceramic avaliable. They're often filled with a temperature stable gas depending on the application. They are sold by PSI rating, density and micron size.
They're potentially carcinogenic.
To use them in manufacture you should be using a full face covering and positive pressure breathing equipment. Nasty stuff. It's one of the things that caused a well known bait maker to step out the game for health reasons.
Once mixed into a pop up mix, generally speaking it's fine to work with as it's not airborne any longer due to fat molecules from other ingredients sticking to it, which is why soya flour is often an ingredient.
The worry isn't so much immediate damage to an animal ingesting it so much as it breaking down and re releasing contaminants into the water body.
In reply to Post #18
Basically everyone. But as I say, there is no harm in utilising it as a hookbait provided it's disposed of properly.
My opinion of course
Basically everyone. But as I say, there is no harm in utilising it as a hookbait provided it's disposed of properly.
My opinion of course
In reply to Post #19
"The worry isn't so much immediate damage to an animal ingesting it so much as it breaking down and re releasing contaminants into the water body."
Where do you stand on microplastics within fishmeals then?? They're even being found in HUMAN blood nowadays, so not at all unlikely that sea animals used for fishmeals will contain it too.
What levels are these contaminants at in pop ups that dilution wont have an effect?
"The worry isn't so much immediate damage to an animal ingesting it so much as it breaking down and re releasing contaminants into the water body."
Where do you stand on microplastics within fishmeals then?? They're even being found in HUMAN blood nowadays, so not at all unlikely that sea animals used for fishmeals will contain it too.
What levels are these contaminants at in pop ups that dilution wont have an effect?
In reply to Post #21
Well realistically you can't exactly screen for micro plastics in fishmeals can you? Only during process but this is far far less then the amount used in pop ups, frankly there is no comparison.
Obviously we'd all rather they didn't exist, however, as we've now made then and the flood gates are open, it wouldn't hurt for us to all be mindful perhaps of what we do for the future eh? No point in pouring petrol on the fire with our collective individual actions
Plastic pollution is a serious serious thing, I've started collecting customers line when I drop baits now, as well as gathering the off cuts from bag sealing, and sending out “refill pouches” of pop ups and wafters.
I'm also on paper packaging tape and a few of the local lads actually take their bait loose from buckets in the back of my motor into bags they save, be in the bag you get bread in, shop varied bags etc, one well known old school anglers takes it in Tupperware!
This is only around 25% of sales but if every small company did it you'd save hundreds and hundreds of kilos of plastic waste.
I like what Gav is doing at hand craft with the metal tins - I'll be doing so also upon completion of a few quick tests ( how the metal reacts to high salinity and acidic liquids )
Sorry to Yao on but it's about time the industry cleaned up its act, there is so much more companies could do to re-used recycle and stop from entering the system in tge first place,
Just look at what Steve Carrie at reworked is doing, turning fishing line and face masks into benches and voting booths!
Well realistically you can't exactly screen for micro plastics in fishmeals can you? Only during process but this is far far less then the amount used in pop ups, frankly there is no comparison.
Obviously we'd all rather they didn't exist, however, as we've now made then and the flood gates are open, it wouldn't hurt for us to all be mindful perhaps of what we do for the future eh? No point in pouring petrol on the fire with our collective individual actions
Plastic pollution is a serious serious thing, I've started collecting customers line when I drop baits now, as well as gathering the off cuts from bag sealing, and sending out “refill pouches” of pop ups and wafters.
I'm also on paper packaging tape and a few of the local lads actually take their bait loose from buckets in the back of my motor into bags they save, be in the bag you get bread in, shop varied bags etc, one well known old school anglers takes it in Tupperware!
This is only around 25% of sales but if every small company did it you'd save hundreds and hundreds of kilos of plastic waste.
I like what Gav is doing at hand craft with the metal tins - I'll be doing so also upon completion of a few quick tests ( how the metal reacts to high salinity and acidic liquids )
Sorry to Yao on but it's about time the industry cleaned up its act, there is so much more companies could do to re-used recycle and stop from entering the system in tge first place,
Just look at what Steve Carrie at reworked is doing, turning fishing line and face masks into benches and voting booths!
In reply to Post #20
In your opinion are the ingredients in Sticky and Mad Baits pop ups dangerous to the environment?
In your opinion are the ingredients in Sticky and Mad Baits pop ups dangerous to the environment?
In reply to Post #22
Thanks for this info, I should have known, I only just chucked 3 old baits in the margins today
Thanks for this info, I should have known, I only just chucked 3 old baits in the margins today
Only have about half a dozen tubs, after a while I give them away.
In reply to Post #22
Totally agree, much more could be done in terms of recycling or alternative packaging within the industry. If i can i collect my boilies straight from the drying racks and in to my own bags. It wouldnt take a lot for plastics to not be used for packaging plastic terminal tackle would it.
When you add it all up, pop ups, plastic beads, plastic bait screws, shrink tube, rig tubing, etc, etc. there is a lot of things that will potentially cause harm.
What I was getting at with the microplastics in fishmeals is that the fish and birds actually eat them so it gets inside them, and more fishmeals enter the water than pop ups and stay there. If there was maths that could be done I would hark a guess that between fishmeal boilies, pellets, liquids and powders that get used as bait and feed on a weekly basis, it far outweighs the risk of pop ups. Most of the fish getting stocked are probably stuffed with them from being fed pellet at the fish farms eh!
Totally agree, much more could be done in terms of recycling or alternative packaging within the industry. If i can i collect my boilies straight from the drying racks and in to my own bags. It wouldnt take a lot for plastics to not be used for packaging plastic terminal tackle would it.
When you add it all up, pop ups, plastic beads, plastic bait screws, shrink tube, rig tubing, etc, etc. there is a lot of things that will potentially cause harm.
What I was getting at with the microplastics in fishmeals is that the fish and birds actually eat them so it gets inside them, and more fishmeals enter the water than pop ups and stay there. If there was maths that could be done I would hark a guess that between fishmeal boilies, pellets, liquids and powders that get used as bait and feed on a weekly basis, it far outweighs the risk of pop ups. Most of the fish getting stocked are probably stuffed with them from being fed pellet at the fish farms eh!
In reply to Post #26
Makes you think, I saw a program that took soil samples from mountains well away from civilisation and the micro plastics they found were very high
Makes you think, I saw a program that took soil samples from mountains well away from civilisation and the micro plastics they found were very high
Its addictive isn't it..I like a rattle and sniff like the next man.. but I try to keep my addiction down to a couple of pots a year. But must admit it's a struggle.. 
Some of you seem to have got it bad. We need to do more to raise awareness to this condition....
Some of you seem to have got it bad. We need to do more to raise awareness to this condition....
In reply to Post #1
i think ive got over 100 pots from loads of companies...strange, as i cant get rid of them.
i think ive got over 100 pots from loads of companies...strange, as i cant get rid of them.
I was talking about this to a fellow angler today - I have over 40. Considering I started fishing again in September after a few years off I couldn't believe it 😂
Why do people have so many pots of pop ups? I've got one pot that is simply a cork ball that matches my bottom bait and I rarely use these.
In reply to Post #34
You had such conviction in your first statement of the dangers. I was just hoping you would back it up by naming names. But as usual, no.
You had such conviction in your first statement of the dangers. I was just hoping you would back it up by naming names. But as usual, no.
In reply to Post #1
yes - i too suffer from pop-up addictions.
Just recently emptied a storage box into the old recycling with what turned out to be 2 x 5kg bags of hookbaits filled!!!
still have a mountain to purge and get to a reasonable amount LOL
Crazy considering about 2 pots could last me a spring-autumn fishing 1 trip per week on 2 rod only waters !!
Bait company profits must mainly depends on selling these - as we all have to have the colours, then the sprays, glugs etc, some also offer cured versions or systems to make your own
yes - i too suffer from pop-up addictions.
Just recently emptied a storage box into the old recycling with what turned out to be 2 x 5kg bags of hookbaits filled!!!
still have a mountain to purge and get to a reasonable amount LOL
Crazy considering about 2 pots could last me a spring-autumn fishing 1 trip per week on 2 rod only waters !!
Bait company profits must mainly depends on selling these - as we all have to have the colours, then the sprays, glugs etc, some also offer cured versions or systems to make your own
In reply to Post #36
Some companies exclusively trade in hookbaits!
My bread and butter sales are boilies but hookbaits do have a slightly higher mark up on base ingredient cost - but then more care goes into the rolling and curing etc. So it balances itself out, when you add work hours going into each batch etc
Some companies exclusively trade in hookbaits!
My bread and butter sales are boilies but hookbaits do have a slightly higher mark up on base ingredient cost - but then more care goes into the rolling and curing etc. So it balances itself out, when you add work hours going into each batch etc
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