With sanctions imposed on Russia and China looking like it's going to choose sides , should our tackle companies start looking at avoiding using them ?
A bit hard. Most of them will have to find new manufacturers for 90% of the range.
Best get used to not getting new gear in.
Best get used to not getting new gear in.
In reply to Post #1
No. Like with sports, fishing is not a place for politics.
No. Like with sports, fishing is not a place for politics.
In reply to Post #1
As the west spends more with China than Russia it could be interesting to say the least
As the west spends more with China than Russia it could be interesting to say the least
In reply to Post #1
Tackle companies like the vast majority will use the cheapest supplier to maximise profits. If China actively supports Russia our government needs to grow a pair and ban all imports from China but of they won't.
Tackle companies like the vast majority will use the cheapest supplier to maximise profits. If China actively supports Russia our government needs to grow a pair and ban all imports from China but of they won't.
They should. But they won't.
The uk imports a heck of a lot more than fishing tat from China, if all trade stopped we'd be even deeper in the ****.
In reply to Post #1
China has no sanctions... And Russia will soon be without as well...
China has no sanctions... And Russia will soon be without as well...
The West cannot afford to sanction China in any meaningful way. We do not have the production facilities to replace what we import from China. It will take many years to re-establish our production capacity. Until then we cannot afford to cut off China. We haven't felt the force of the sanctions on Russia yet, and it's really going to hurt soon and for the foreseeable future. This won't end in 6 months.Unfortunately.
In reply to Post #1
yes, they should never have outsourced manufacturing there in the first place, they should bring production and jobs back home to this country.
yes, they should never have outsourced manufacturing there in the first place, they should bring production and jobs back home to this country.
I would not be in the least surprised if China has it with Taiwan while everyone is occupied with the Russian situation
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That will never happen again. With minimum wage climbing yearly and cost of production etc if they do prices will be double for most things. And lets face it prices are already through the roof
That will never happen again. With minimum wage climbing yearly and cost of production etc if they do prices will be double for most things. And lets face it prices are already through the roof
In reply to Post #12
And everyone wants it cheap
And everyone wants it cheap
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Wouldn't mind through the roof price if I was buying quality built to last kit which would be far more environmentally friendly than the tat we end up with that doesn't last a reasonable time considering the cost. I've just done a two hour round trip to buy a brolly, got home opened it up and one of the short internal storm poles is missing, hope they don't expect me to do another round trip to take it back as they won't have a replacement in stock, think they should come and collect it and refund me.
Wouldn't mind through the roof price if I was buying quality built to last kit which would be far more environmentally friendly than the tat we end up with that doesn't last a reasonable time considering the cost. I've just done a two hour round trip to buy a brolly, got home opened it up and one of the short internal storm poles is missing, hope they don't expect me to do another round trip to take it back as they won't have a replacement in stock, think they should come and collect it and refund me.
In reply to Post #14
Couldn't agree more I can't remember the last time I bought something that didn't have issues. And I constantly buy s+*& as bored lol.
Couldn't agree more I can't remember the last time I bought something that didn't have issues. And I constantly buy s+*& as bored lol.
In reply to Post #15
People saying we can't stop buying Chinese but we don't have to produce everything ourselves as we never have, there are plenty of other global manufacturers.
People saying we can't stop buying Chinese but we don't have to produce everything ourselves as we never have, there are plenty of other global manufacturers.
I remember the first time I went on holiday in Germany
I went into a huge tool shop and was shocked to see the Black & Decker drills were far far more expensive than the Bosch ! the guy explained we want to protect our own workers and products so imported goods get loaded with import tax as they should never be cheaper
sadly we just want things the cheapest we can get them for
its so so short sighted it started years ago when we used to produce some of the finest things in the world in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries Sheffield Steel was the best SADLY we imported cheap undercutting and killed our industry and its got worse ever since we are just a nation of importers now
I went into a huge tool shop and was shocked to see the Black & Decker drills were far far more expensive than the Bosch ! the guy explained we want to protect our own workers and products so imported goods get loaded with import tax as they should never be cheaper
sadly we just want things the cheapest we can get them for
its so so short sighted it started years ago when we used to produce some of the finest things in the world in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries Sheffield Steel was the best SADLY we imported cheap undercutting and killed our industry and its got worse ever since we are just a nation of importers now
In reply to Post #14
Yep...when I used to repair Landrovers for a hobby, Saturday mornings were completely taken up with returning defective parts that had been purchased the previous Saturday morning...not productive !
Yep...when I used to repair Landrovers for a hobby, Saturday mornings were completely taken up with returning defective parts that had been purchased the previous Saturday morning...not productive !
In reply to Post #17
We definitely killed our industries, many car manufacturers have moved away or even sold to foreign investors.
I would argue Swedish or Japanese steel is better than Sheffield steel, but as you say, we import most now from China.
Supermarkets are guilty as well, fruit and vegetables that we can grow in UK produced in Ghana and other African countries, meat imported from Denmark, New Zealand etc. because the supermarkets pushed prices paid to farmers to less than they could afford to produce for.
'We want to be carbon neutral', easy with no manufacturing industry, look at the pollution in China, coal, nuclear power stations, sweatshop factories, farms, using children and other cheap labour.
For us it is out of sight out of mind.
We definitely killed our industries, many car manufacturers have moved away or even sold to foreign investors.
I would argue Swedish or Japanese steel is better than Sheffield steel, but as you say, we import most now from China.
Supermarkets are guilty as well, fruit and vegetables that we can grow in UK produced in Ghana and other African countries, meat imported from Denmark, New Zealand etc. because the supermarkets pushed prices paid to farmers to less than they could afford to produce for.
'We want to be carbon neutral', easy with no manufacturing industry, look at the pollution in China, coal, nuclear power stations, sweatshop factories, farms, using children and other cheap labour.
For us it is out of sight out of mind.
In reply to Post #19
Perhaps we could look into more personal self sufficiency and even just buy less tat.. I've currently got 9 x 13' rods alone ,just buying for the sake of it.
Buy local, holiday inland, support your people and economy.
Perhaps we could look into more personal self sufficiency and even just buy less tat.. I've currently got 9 x 13' rods alone ,just buying for the sake of it.
Buy local, holiday inland, support your people and economy.
In reply to Post #20
As a single male I mainly shop in the local farm shop which people tell me is expensive but not true for me as I can buy all item singularly or in the multiples I want and the quality is superior and nothing gets thrown away.
As a single male I mainly shop in the local farm shop which people tell me is expensive but not true for me as I can buy all item singularly or in the multiples I want and the quality is superior and nothing gets thrown away.
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Local holidays lol. I paid £1200 for 3 x nights centre parcs local plus whatever it will cost me whilst there as everything is a rip off.
Also booked a villa in Spain for 8 people for 10 days with its own swimming pool/bbq and sea view in august for £1400 including flights(2 adults, 2 children). You tell me which sounds the best option.
Even a week caravan in devon is more then the spain trip
UK has turned into an unsustainable beast imo. Tried booking glen eagles golf in july, they wanted £3k per person for 2 nights accommodation and 3 rounds of golf. I can go play pebble beach and tour the whole CA coast and play golf for that.
Local holidays lol. I paid £1200 for 3 x nights centre parcs local plus whatever it will cost me whilst there as everything is a rip off.
Also booked a villa in Spain for 8 people for 10 days with its own swimming pool/bbq and sea view in august for £1400 including flights(2 adults, 2 children). You tell me which sounds the best option.
Even a week caravan in devon is more then the spain trip
UK has turned into an unsustainable beast imo. Tried booking glen eagles golf in july, they wanted £3k per person for 2 nights accommodation and 3 rounds of golf. I can go play pebble beach and tour the whole CA coast and play golf for that.
In reply to Post #22
Centre Parcs? About as chavvy and naff as an all inclusive in Benidorm then.
This country has a wealth of hidden gems tucked away in leafy green nowhere, I'll take a rural English summer over a package free for all on a ****ty, cheapo plane fare.
Choices of course.
Centre Parcs? About as chavvy and naff as an all inclusive in Benidorm then.
This country has a wealth of hidden gems tucked away in leafy green nowhere, I'll take a rural English summer over a package free for all on a ****ty, cheapo plane fare.
Choices of course.
In reply to Post #23
I go to centre parcs for my children not me pal
I go to centre parcs for my children not me pal
In reply to Post #23
The average working family man can't afford the secluded country retreat you mention, even self catering those places are out of reach.
The average working family man can't afford the secluded country retreat you mention, even self catering those places are out of reach.
In reply to Post #23
He wasn't asking for your opinion on where he decides to take his kids on holiday.
He wasn't asking for your opinion on where he decides to take his kids on holiday.
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I wouldn't be that worried about fishing tackle.. we are just all going to have to get used to waiting a bit longer & paying more for things for the next 18 months or more. In the global world of trade China has played an important role and we've all benefited.
I would forget all the flag waving and bring back manufacturing to the UK we are a service industry and have been for any years...
“The service sector is the dominant sector of the UK economy, and it accounted for 79% of GDP in 2019”
Take consumer products (many other sectors you can look at also), most are made in China along with all the semiconductor components that go in them, whether it's the substrate material, the lead frames, testing.
More than 60% of the raw materials come from china and Russia, you only have to look at how expensive everything is becoming already due to Covid and things have not recovered take new car orders for some nearly a year some manufactures not taking any orders because they can't get the bits to build cars.
I wouldn't be that worried about fishing tackle.. we are just all going to have to get used to waiting a bit longer & paying more for things for the next 18 months or more. In the global world of trade China has played an important role and we've all benefited.
I would forget all the flag waving and bring back manufacturing to the UK we are a service industry and have been for any years...
“The service sector is the dominant sector of the UK economy, and it accounted for 79% of GDP in 2019”
Take consumer products (many other sectors you can look at also), most are made in China along with all the semiconductor components that go in them, whether it's the substrate material, the lead frames, testing.
More than 60% of the raw materials come from china and Russia, you only have to look at how expensive everything is becoming already due to Covid and things have not recovered take new car orders for some nearly a year some manufactures not taking any orders because they can't get the bits to build cars.
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85% of the UK working population work in and for the UK service sector. There's a big part of the problem with the cost of products. That's a ridiculous position to be in as we're finding out. We have no control or options over the price of everyday items we buy. It's not a good place to be at the whim of foreign governments and market's.
A good manufacturing company in the UK will have about 4% of it's costs in staff wages. Wages aren't the issue in manufacturing, speed of production, quality and efficiency are. That can only be overcome with automation and training, which requires long term investment. We all know that's an anathema in this countries current split in goods and services make up.
Just cause something's the way it is doesn't mean you have to plough on down the wrong road. The balance is wrong and needs addressing.
85% of the UK working population work in and for the UK service sector. There's a big part of the problem with the cost of products. That's a ridiculous position to be in as we're finding out. We have no control or options over the price of everyday items we buy. It's not a good place to be at the whim of foreign governments and market's.
A good manufacturing company in the UK will have about 4% of it's costs in staff wages. Wages aren't the issue in manufacturing, speed of production, quality and efficiency are. That can only be overcome with automation and training, which requires long term investment. We all know that's an anathema in this countries current split in goods and services make up.
Just cause something's the way it is doesn't mean you have to plough on down the wrong road. The balance is wrong and needs addressing.
In reply to Post #23
nothing wrong with Benidorm,ive been a few times and always had a good time. and I wouldn't call centre parks chavy..where as this year to keep my daughters happy I've a booked a week in a caravan in clacton, now that is chavy
. and it weren't cheap..and will more than likely piss down all week 
nothing wrong with Benidorm,ive been a few times and always had a good time. and I wouldn't call centre parks chavy..where as this year to keep my daughters happy I've a booked a week in a caravan in clacton, now that is chavy
. and it weren't cheap..and will more than likely piss down all week
In reply to Post #29
Oi clacton is classy
Oi clacton is classy
In reply to Post #30
ill probably last 2 days then leave the mrs and kids there, drive down the a12 home then go back to pick them up at end of the week.
ill probably last 2 days then leave the mrs and kids there, drive down the a12 home then go back to pick them up at end of the week.
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Jaywick
Jaywick
In reply to Post #31
Oooh that'll be expensive, last time I was there it was a culinary delight, you could have fish and chips, sausage and chips, burger and chips or pie and chips all of which are about to rocket in price due to 30% price increase in spuds and 40% in wholesale fish prices.
No wonder they are expecting 40% of fish and chip shops to go down the pan with these increases and the hike in energy.
Oooh that'll be expensive, last time I was there it was a culinary delight, you could have fish and chips, sausage and chips, burger and chips or pie and chips all of which are about to rocket in price due to 30% price increase in spuds and 40% in wholesale fish prices.
No wonder they are expecting 40% of fish and chip shops to go down the pan with these increases and the hike in energy.
In reply to Post #32
spent many a happy childhood in jaywick,used to work in my aunties bingo hall and amusement halls along the seafront..as for this week at orchards in a caravan it cost just over £1600 I've been to Malaysia for 10 days cheaper which included flight hotel and Moto gp ticket..@ goose, yes read about the fish and chips thing in todays times..do love me cod and chips but rising to a tenner might put me off.
spent many a happy childhood in jaywick,used to work in my aunties bingo hall and amusement halls along the seafront..as for this week at orchards in a caravan it cost just over £1600 I've been to Malaysia for 10 days cheaper which included flight hotel and Moto gp ticket..@ goose, yes read about the fish and chips thing in todays times..do love me cod and chips but rising to a tenner might put me off.
In reply to Post #34
Paid 11.60 last night before the price goes up and that was for large haddock regular chips.
Paid 11.60 last night before the price goes up and that was for large haddock regular chips.
In reply to Post #34
Some nice surprises swimming about in Orchards these days. There's quite a few that put an impressive curve into the quiver tips.
Some nice surprises swimming about in Orchards these days. There's quite a few that put an impressive curve into the quiver tips.
In reply to Post #28
4% labour cost on a finished product in a good uk manufacturing company
I have worked for some of the largest food manufacturers in the country, which have had different levels of automation & scale and i can 100% guarantee that the direct labour alone will never be 4% of a manufacturing cost. At least double digits minimum and that's in a highly automated factory - inflation tends to keep the balance between labour and materials costs in line. Also worth bearing in mind the extra that has to be paid by a company on top of the salary to employee (tax, Ni, Pension etc)
100% agree on the split between service sector and industry in the country....not a good position to be in at all.
4% labour cost on a finished product in a good uk manufacturing company
I have worked for some of the largest food manufacturers in the country, which have had different levels of automation & scale and i can 100% guarantee that the direct labour alone will never be 4% of a manufacturing cost. At least double digits minimum and that's in a highly automated factory - inflation tends to keep the balance between labour and materials costs in line. Also worth bearing in mind the extra that has to be paid by a company on top of the salary to employee (tax, Ni, Pension etc)
100% agree on the split between service sector and industry in the country....not a good position to be in at all.
In reply to Post #37
I've nearly 40 years as an electrical/robotics engineer in automotive plants, tier 1 supplier's into those plants and the aerospace sector mate. Believe me that's the ratio if not lower as advancements are made. Efficient car plants run between €500-€1000 direct labour costs per car.
I've nearly 40 years as an electrical/robotics engineer in automotive plants, tier 1 supplier's into those plants and the aerospace sector mate. Believe me that's the ratio if not lower as advancements are made. Efficient car plants run between €500-€1000 direct labour costs per car.
In reply to Post #38
I've always wondered how car plants make any money. The one I worked at had over 2k people working there, even the guys on the production line were on really good money for a non skilled job.
I've always wondered how car plants make any money. The one I worked at had over 2k people working there, even the guys on the production line were on really good money for a non skilled job.
In reply to Post #39
The more efficient you are the more money in the pot for everyone to share mate. Efficiency isn't best achieved by making humans walk faster or be more dextrous in the age of machines. Automation, training and systems are. But that takes long term investment and an economic plan.
The more efficient you are the more money in the pot for everyone to share mate. Efficiency isn't best achieved by making humans walk faster or be more dextrous in the age of machines. Automation, training and systems are. But that takes long term investment and an economic plan.
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