The last few weeks, down my local lake whilst doing my weekly overnighter, just after dark the carp have starting jumping and showing over a particular area of the lake, it around 20ft deep in this area, around the middle of the lake.
I had the deeper out over the area as well as a lead, and it just seems like a soft smooth bottom, maybe silty.( lead plugs a little then pulls back smoothly.
I've cast single bottom baits/pop ups/solid bags as them whilst there showing, and even before , so the rigs ready, should they turn up but can't seem to get a take, not even had a liner.
Not sure if there earing bloodworm or something or just not feeding,
Thought about trying a zig, but haven't yet.
Anything have any thoughts or ideas on this?.
Thanks.
I had the deeper out over the area as well as a lead, and it just seems like a soft smooth bottom, maybe silty.( lead plugs a little then pulls back smoothly.
I've cast single bottom baits/pop ups/solid bags as them whilst there showing, and even before , so the rigs ready, should they turn up but can't seem to get a take, not even had a liner.
Not sure if there earing bloodworm or something or just not feeding,
Thought about trying a zig, but haven't yet.
Anything have any thoughts or ideas on this?.
Thanks.
In reply to Post #1
I'd say they were smashing some kind of hatch would be my initial thoughts. I bet you'd get a take on a zig. Try putting.a few rods on that spot and change the lengths until the rods start rattling off. Try one deep and the other one shallow and work from that.
I'd say they were smashing some kind of hatch would be my initial thoughts. I bet you'd get a take on a zig. Try putting.a few rods on that spot and change the lengths until the rods start rattling off. Try one deep and the other one shallow and work from that.
In reply to Post #1
Plenty warm enough for hatches so probably is
Could always try a fly rod lol
Plenty warm enough for hatches so probably is
Could always try a fly rod lol
One place I fish is over 20ft deep everywhere, we noticed an Argulus infestation,and the fish were seen jumping, and rubbing themselves to rid themselves of this parasite.
In reply to Post #4
Hilarious replies....
Hilarious replies....
In reply to Post #2
I was watching the birds this week over a lovely clear spot on my syndicate, the coots were picking and gulls were zooming and catching what I think was an insect hatch. The water surface was 'pri cking' as tiny items hit the surface, no bubbling so the fish weren't on the lakebed feeding.
I was watching the birds this week over a lovely clear spot on my syndicate, the coots were picking and gulls were zooming and catching what I think was an insect hatch. The water surface was 'pri cking' as tiny items hit the surface, no bubbling so the fish weren't on the lakebed feeding.
In reply to Post #5
Perfectly valid responses - what so hilarious?
Perfectly valid responses - what so hilarious?
In reply to Post #5
'Not in time'...I'm giving you what you want,..!!
..stop trolling ,do you understand,...plenty of them like you ,have been on this forum...they come, and go,...you'll soon be gone !
'Not in time'...I'm giving you what you want,..!!
..stop trolling ,do you understand,...plenty of them like you ,have been on this forum...they come, and go,...you'll soon be gone !
In reply to Post #1
IMO if the fish are crashing out and splashing, it's probably parasites, usually argulus. Surface and sub surface swirls could well be feeding. It would be typical for a fish to crash out then dive and rub it's flank along the bottom. Watch out for a line of bubbles if it's silty.
IMO if the fish are crashing out and splashing, it's probably parasites, usually argulus. Surface and sub surface swirls could well be feeding. It would be typical for a fish to crash out then dive and rub it's flank along the bottom. Watch out for a line of bubbles if it's silty.
In reply to Post #1
I'd say that is not at all unusual for this time of year mate. I'd be straight on the adjustables as I've wasted hours on the deck in days gone by watching this.
I'd say that is not at all unusual for this time of year mate. I'd be straight on the adjustables as I've wasted hours on the deck in days gone by watching this.
In reply to Post #10
Thanks for the replies,
They have been doing it the last couple of weeks, same spot each week for a couple of hours after dark. Going to get a zig kit from tackle shop now, may as well give it a go..... I've tried most other things.
Thanks for the replies,
They have been doing it the last couple of weeks, same spot each week for a couple of hours after dark. Going to get a zig kit from tackle shop now, may as well give it a go..... I've tried most other things.
In reply to Post #11
Zigs are definitely worth a go.
Zigs are definitely worth a go.
In reply to Post #10
Same here.
I'm glad O.P started this thread as I was going to mention similar. Possibly this is carp on a hatch, maybe not. With all of that aside, maybe I'm totally off base here, whenever a full moon is waxing or waining, the more times I'm seeing fish crash out one after another leading me to think that given hatches do happen when the moon is full, it's just a waste of time fishing on the bottom.
I don't fish with zigs all that much, I'm much more inclined be it the moon nearing its zenith, or just fish looking like they're on a hatch (turns diving is the big give away) I'll use zigs instead from now on.
Same here.
I'm glad O.P started this thread as I was going to mention similar. Possibly this is carp on a hatch, maybe not. With all of that aside, maybe I'm totally off base here, whenever a full moon is waxing or waining, the more times I'm seeing fish crash out one after another leading me to think that given hatches do happen when the moon is full, it's just a waste of time fishing on the bottom.
I don't fish with zigs all that much, I'm much more inclined be it the moon nearing its zenith, or just fish looking like they're on a hatch (turns diving is the big give away) I'll use zigs instead from now on.
In reply to Post #11
It's well worth a punt Peter. Let us know how it pans out 👍
It's well worth a punt Peter. Let us know how it pans out 👍
In reply to Post #14
Monday night is my next session, so will see how it pans out, never used a zig before... just been and got the korda one, and the fox zig aligner kit.
Monday night is my next session, so will see how it pans out, never used a zig before... just been and got the korda one, and the fox zig aligner kit.
In reply to Post #15
I've noticed this similar behaviour on my lake this year and in previous years, unlike the OP's experience it's normally over weedy areas.
I plus other members can't seem to buy a bite when they are in this mood. Like others I think they are feasting on naturals and can rarely be tempted by a conventional bait. Zigs have been tried and failed.
Having seen carp preoccupied on small food items such as hemp and pellet I can see how they could also do this on bloodworm or similar natural food.
On my lake it appears that once the weed dies back and the naturals are gone they start getting caught again.
Fish crashing out over or near my baited area rarely means feeding fish in my experience , fish head and shouldering or just slipping out to their gills is a different matter.
I've noticed this similar behaviour on my lake this year and in previous years, unlike the OP's experience it's normally over weedy areas.
I plus other members can't seem to buy a bite when they are in this mood. Like others I think they are feasting on naturals and can rarely be tempted by a conventional bait. Zigs have been tried and failed.
Having seen carp preoccupied on small food items such as hemp and pellet I can see how they could also do this on bloodworm or similar natural food.
On my lake it appears that once the weed dies back and the naturals are gone they start getting caught again.
Fish crashing out over or near my baited area rarely means feeding fish in my experience , fish head and shouldering or just slipping out to their gills is a different matter.
In reply to Post #16
I'd agree about the crashing out of the water not usually coinciding with fish on the feed.
I had a very similar session recently on hillside near Burnley. Like watching a sealife park show at times. I had bottom baits right under them and was definitely in a bed of bloodworm
Noticed fish doing similar in sudden heavy showers too.
I'd agree about the crashing out of the water not usually coinciding with fish on the feed.
I had a very similar session recently on hillside near Burnley. Like watching a sealife park show at times. I had bottom baits right under them and was definitely in a bed of bloodworm
Noticed fish doing similar in sudden heavy showers too.
Zigs, my local is over 20ft on average, this is common behaviour there, they will crash and roll over a baited area, but are in their comfort zone 6ft below the surface.
Again I mirror other guys comments went to my club lake Friday, stupidly with a pre conceived idea after a result the previous week, carp jumping not rolling over the areas I had bait, zigs would of scored well but being a small lake and having carp troughing in the margins the previous week didn't bring my long rods just 6fts and with a 1oz max lead even adjustables weren't an option
In reply to Post #19
Had the zig out last night one one rod, but no joy,
Although the fish weren't jumping about like last week,
Didn't actually see or hear a thing, the lake looked dead.
Had the zig out last night one one rod, but no joy,
Although the fish weren't jumping about like last week,
Didn't actually see or hear a thing, the lake looked dead.
I had been watching carp crashing over a specific spot, got up a spotting tree and could see a group of carp being led in on large lap of this big bay, every time the lead fish came to this spot he'd head and shoulder out (shampooing 
) to mark territory, then continue to lead his gang on another lap of the bay.
I had rods out (on the deck) and there were no fish there...
) to mark territory, then continue to lead his gang on another lap of the bay. I had rods out (on the deck) and there were no fish there...
In reply to Post #21
They really are fascinating creatures carp. I'm not saying they'll ever solve a Rubik's cube or learn fluent Mandrin Chinese and recite Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching, all the same, I don't go with the they're daft at all, far from it. I remember watching a video of Dave Lane when he was talking about a weird occurrence on Horton with a fish purposely spooking another because (so Dave thought) the 'spooker' had spied him and was warning the other fish that Dave was hanging out of a tree upto no good.
I wonder what the fish you were watching upto. Do you think one of them was pointing out a feeding spot or something for the others?
They really are fascinating creatures carp. I'm not saying they'll ever solve a Rubik's cube or learn fluent Mandrin Chinese and recite Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching, all the same, I don't go with the they're daft at all, far from it. I remember watching a video of Dave Lane when he was talking about a weird occurrence on Horton with a fish purposely spooking another because (so Dave thought) the 'spooker' had spied him and was warning the other fish that Dave was hanging out of a tree upto no good.
I wonder what the fish you were watching upto. Do you think one of them was pointing out a feeding spot or something for the others?
In reply to Post #22
Why would it be unusual that one animal would alert another to danger? Even insects do it.
Why would it be unusual that one animal would alert another to danger? Even insects do it.
In reply to Post #21
I can remember fishing pendle view (going back a few years now) and there was a big orange koi that would cruise around near the surface on hot days. There'd always be a few others (less conspicuous looking fish) following close behind.
I was convinced they were there because they knew we'd all cast bait out to the orange guy when we saw him
I can remember fishing pendle view (going back a few years now) and there was a big orange koi that would cruise around near the surface on hot days. There'd always be a few others (less conspicuous looking fish) following close behind.
I was convinced they were there because they knew we'd all cast bait out to the orange guy when we saw him
In reply to Post #22
I think it was the dominant fish, leader of the pack, circling his territory and the rest of the gang just following along. The circle probably covered about an acre, and for about half of it they went out of sight, but they came back around on an identical line every time and only the lead fish would pop out halfway and splash back down on his flank, exactly the same every time.
This probably repeated 12-15 times in an hour.
The leader was a low 30, and the water was crystal clear, i could identify all the same fish (maybe 8 or 9) each lap.
I think it was the dominant fish, leader of the pack, circling his territory and the rest of the gang just following along. The circle probably covered about an acre, and for about half of it they went out of sight, but they came back around on an identical line every time and only the lead fish would pop out halfway and splash back down on his flank, exactly the same every time.
This probably repeated 12-15 times in an hour.
The leader was a low 30, and the water was crystal clear, i could identify all the same fish (maybe 8 or 9) each lap.
Has anyone ever had a carp on, and others follow the fish that's been tricked?
There's a ghost where I fish it's one of four ,but it's the smallest of them,I seen it a few times,and as its very conspicuous, I've seen it come right up as I'm even netting the fish I have on ,quite amazing really..
'Look chaps,he's blooming got 'one scale' on *******,oh hang on,he's on Solar old skool stainless,just checking to see how shiny it is '
There's a ghost where I fish it's one of four ,but it's the smallest of them,I seen it a few times,and as its very conspicuous, I've seen it come right up as I'm even netting the fish I have on ,quite amazing really..
'Look chaps,he's blooming got 'one scale' on *******,oh hang on,he's on Solar old skool stainless,just checking to see how shiny it is '
In reply to Post #23
You'd have to watch the video so as to get what I'm going on about. In essence, there was a fish a some rod lengths out in a hole in heavy weed, another fish came along the back of the weed, stopped, tipped up and was watching Dave, then started crashing out so as to spook the other fish. Thing was, the fish that was crashing couldn't see the other fish, or so Dave thought 👍
You'd have to watch the video so as to get what I'm going on about. In essence, there was a fish a some rod lengths out in a hole in heavy weed, another fish came along the back of the weed, stopped, tipped up and was watching Dave, then started crashing out so as to spook the other fish. Thing was, the fish that was crashing couldn't see the other fish, or so Dave thought 👍
In reply to Post #25
Never seen that before, really interesting 👍
The funny thing is, if you had never got up a tree and seen that, you'd most likely put a rod on that spot all expectant thinking it was going to rip as 'they're crashing out'.
Never seen that before, really interesting 👍
The funny thing is, if you had never got up a tree and seen that, you'd most likely put a rod on that spot all expectant thinking it was going to rip as 'they're crashing out'.
In reply to Post #28
Id already seen them crash and had two rods on the area, it was only 25 yards out, on the bottom bank at christchurch on my 1st visit.
Watching the fish on there was a real education, i struggled at first but soon sussed their routine and did quite well.
Id already seen them crash and had two rods on the area, it was only 25 yards out, on the bottom bank at christchurch on my 1st visit.
Watching the fish on there was a real education, i struggled at first but soon sussed their routine and did quite well.
In reply to Post #17
I've had that, but put a bait a few metres to the side of where they were rolling and caught. I think that they were feeding on a particular spot, digging deep into the lakebed, then coming up to clear themselves of silt and rolling.
I've had that, but put a bait a few metres to the side of where they were rolling and caught. I think that they were feeding on a particular spot, digging deep into the lakebed, then coming up to clear themselves of silt and rolling.
In reply to Post #17
That looks like a grim old place.
That looks like a grim old place.
In reply to Post #31
Doesn't look too bad on some vids to be fair. Try Lilly Fisheries Lavers, that's grim.
Doesn't look too bad on some vids to be fair. Try Lilly Fisheries Lavers, that's grim.
In reply to Post #32
Doesn't look too bad, a bit plain .
Doesn't look too bad, a bit plain .
In reply to Post #31
It's a tropical paradise for this part of the world....
It's a tropical paradise for this part of the world....
In reply to Post #34
It's grim oop north eh!
It's grim oop north eh!
In reply to Post #35
Breaks your heart doesn't it.
Breaks your heart doesn't it.
In reply to Post #36
Back on the bank tomorrow night, looks like it's going to be slightly warmer over night, with the pressure dropping.
Wind is going to be from the west, which in our lake is blowing down to the slightly shallower end of the lake, which forms a small bay.
If no fish are showing, Would you fish on the end of the wind, or on the back of it, in the deeper water.
Back on the bank tomorrow night, looks like it's going to be slightly warmer over night, with the pressure dropping.
Wind is going to be from the west, which in our lake is blowing down to the slightly shallower end of the lake, which forms a small bay.
If no fish are showing, Would you fish on the end of the wind, or on the back of it, in the deeper water.
In reply to Post #37
I would give the wind no regard.
I would give the wind no regard.
In reply to Post #38
Same here.
Same here.
In reply to Post #21
What makes you think carp are territorial? I've observed territorial behaviour in aquarium fish but never thought of carp as being territorial, but maybe. Interested to hear others thoughts on this.
What makes you think carp are territorial? I've observed territorial behaviour in aquarium fish but never thought of carp as being territorial, but maybe. Interested to hear others thoughts on this.
In reply to Post #40
I think you are confusing the fact that some carp like to live in certain areas of a lake with the fact that certain animals will defend a territory. For example male Robins will defend their territory to the extent of killing other males if they don't leave heeding the warning sounds.
I think you are confusing the fact that some carp like to live in certain areas of a lake with the fact that certain animals will defend a territory. For example male Robins will defend their territory to the extent of killing other males if they don't leave heeding the warning sounds.
In reply to Post #41
Thanks for your response, however I'm not confused about anything concerning carp and territory, I'm just interested to hear other people's thoughts.
Thanks for your response, however I'm not confused about anything concerning carp and territory, I'm just interested to hear other people's thoughts.
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