Anyone know ? Has anything been confirmed yet ?
In reply to Post #1
We can according to a statement by AT this morning.
We can according to a statement by AT this morning.
And overnight is allowed too
In reply to Post #1
2hrs ago Angling Trust published an updated guide.
Simply put... yes we can.... night fishing included.
Advice seems to be:
Fish safely, locally and respect the rule of 2....
2hrs ago Angling Trust published an updated guide.
Simply put... yes we can.... night fishing included.
Advice seems to be:
Fish safely, locally and respect the rule of 2....
In reply to Post #1
yes but you have to go home if you catch bream!
yes but you have to go home if you catch bream!
In reply to Post #4
https://anglingtrust.net/2020/11/04/fish-safely-locally-and-respect-the-rule-of-two-during-lockdown
https://anglingtrust.net/2020/11/04/fish-safely-locally-and-respect-the-rule-of-two-during-lockdown
In reply to Post #2
it has nothing to do with the AT, they cannot make that decision. They shouldn't put any statement out until its clarified by Government.
it has nothing to do with the AT, they cannot make that decision. They shouldn't put any statement out until its clarified by Government.
In reply to Post #7
AT are deciphering government guidelines and interpreting it for normal folk.... so yes I agree. AT don't make the decision, but they have been the lobbying group getting fishing to be exempt from being locked down again.
AT are deciphering government guidelines and interpreting it for normal folk.... so yes I agree. AT don't make the decision, but they have been the lobbying group getting fishing to be exempt from being locked down again.
In reply to Post #8
nothing should be leaked out prior to government decision.
If you read the document, it doesn't really say much.
it basically says nothing has changed, no restrictions on travel or length of stay.
of which I hope is true, but they still shouldn't say a word until firm guidance from central government
AT have literally told me within the last few mins, and I quote
"we don't know for definite"
Parliament are debate this subject and others for the next few hours!
nothing should be leaked out prior to government decision.
If you read the document, it doesn't really say much.
it basically says nothing has changed, no restrictions on travel or length of stay.
of which I hope is true, but they still shouldn't say a word until firm guidance from central government
AT have literally told me within the last few mins, and I quote
"we don't know for definite"
Parliament are debate this subject and others for the next few hours!
In reply to Post #9
Local clubs and other waters are giving the thumbs up.
Local clubs and other waters are giving the thumbs up.
If you fish for carp you can go fishing. Same as perch,roach,Dace,tench etc. If you fish for bream you MUST stay at home 
In reply to Post #11
Fishing if allowed find it weird bluebell are still closing probably don't need the money how busy that place has been lol
Fishing if allowed find it weird bluebell are still closing probably don't need the money how busy that place has been lol
In reply to Post #12
Old Bury Hill fishery also announced yesterday that they were probably shutting regardless of the final outcome of whether fishing allowed.
Old Bury Hill fishery also announced yesterday that they were probably shutting regardless of the final outcome of whether fishing allowed.
In reply to Post #1
Yes is the answer and I've just got the rods out and put the kettle on... I'm here until Sunday, just seen a big fish roll at distance, quite close to one of my baited spots. Lovely sunset... so good to be fishing in lockdown
Yes is the answer and I've just got the rods out and put the kettle on... I'm here until Sunday, just seen a big fish roll at distance, quite close to one of my baited spots. Lovely sunset... so good to be fishing in lockdown
Cottington are closing their lakes after speaking to their local authority and were told that they are a leisure business and not essential
In reply to Post #15
Stanwick lakes Northampton have closed today until they have clear direction from government
This isn't about fishing, this is about slowing down the rate on infection and social responsibility....good on them for doing the right thing until they all get the correct and proper information, NOT guess work
Stanwick lakes Northampton have closed today until they have clear direction from government
This isn't about fishing, this is about slowing down the rate on infection and social responsibility....good on them for doing the right thing until they all get the correct and proper information, NOT guess work
In reply to Post #1
Lets hope everyone behaves and we don't get out of hand 'socials', barbecues .
Lets hope everyone behaves and we don't get out of hand 'socials', barbecues .
I see a golf and fishing war brewing! 
In reply to Post #18
fishing solitary
fishing solitary
In reply to Post #18
We've had both before.
We've had both before.
In reply to Post #20
I would have thought the environment agency would have sent an email out to those that bought licence letting people know if they can fish or not there very quick to send one to buy your licence
I would have thought the environment agency would have sent an email out to those that bought licence letting people know if they can fish or not there very quick to send one to buy your licence
In reply to Post #21
its not up to the EA to make any announcement until parliament has discussed and agreed restrictions and that doesn't just include angling.
its not up to the EA to make any announcement until parliament has discussed and agreed restrictions and that doesn't just include angling.
I am under the impression ?
its not so much the fishing more you cant travel there ? unless your house is next to the fishery
its not so much the fishing more you cant travel there ? unless your house is next to the fishery
In reply to Post #23
Travel is a big issue, trying to keep the R rate down from one area to another, then letting anglers travel all over the country and then meet up for a stella
If one reads the travel guidance and "essential" travel, hobbies do not come into that category
Travel is a big issue, trying to keep the R rate down from one area to another, then letting anglers travel all over the country and then meet up for a stella
If one reads the travel guidance and "essential" travel, hobbies do not come into that category
Fishing I just one of many areas where there is a serious lack of clarity. I personally will continue to use common sense and endeavour not to spread the virus and show my fellow human beings respect and socially distance.
In reply to Post #25
shame your in the minority mate
shame your in the minority mate
In reply to Post #24
NEWS
fish safely, locally and respect the ‘rule of two' during lockdown
04 November 2020
Fish safely, locally and respect the ‘rule of two' during lockdown
Having now examined the government's new Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 4) Regulations the Angling Trust is pleased to be able to offer some initial guidance and interpretation to anglers and fishery providers. Our formal guidelines will be published following further consultation with colleagues at Sport England and DCMS once Parliament has debated the regulations today and passed them into law.
Overall the Angling Trust is pleased that ministers have recognised the value of allowing angling and some other forms of outdoor recreation to continue through the forthcoming lockdown period. However, the new rules are more complicated than we had hoped and anglers should be fully aware of what we can and can't do in the next 28 days.
How to Fish
The regulations are clear and you can only leave home to fish with members of your own household, your support bubble or with one other individual. The Rule of Six is now effectively the Rule of Two for most of us. The tightening of the rules on ‘gatherings' means that match fishing or any other organised fishing event is prohibited by law during lockdown. However, competitive fishing will be able to resume once there is a return to the three tier system of restrictions.
On this basis we can announce that all Angling Trust competitions are suspended for the period covering 5th November – 2nd December 2020.
Where to Fish
Angling is deemed a permissible form of ‘outdoor recreation', and a lawful reason to leave home. It can take place, without time limits, within the provision allowing people “to visit a public outdoor space for the purposes of open air recreation”.
A ‘public outdoor space' is defined as an ‘outdoor place to which the public have, or are permitted, access (whether on payment or otherwise).' We believe this clearly includes riverbanks, towpaths, beaches and stillwaters that can either be accessed freely or on the payment of a day ticket or subscription levied by the owner or leased to a publicly available fishing association. The government clearly intends for people to be able to take their outdoor exercise and recreation in the form of angling and these regulations allow this to occur.
Fisheries are not on the published list of businesses that the government has ordered to close and there is no reason that they should do so providing that they operate in accordance with the rules
It does not permit club outings or organised amateur sporting activities of any sort. All indoor or social facilities in any way connected with a fishing venue must close or refer to the relevant Government guidance. Fishing tackle shops, whether onsite or not, can only operate a ‘click and collect' service.
Travelling to fish
Whilst the government have chosen not to write their travel guidance into law we are urging anglers to respect the advice which states that it is permissible to travel in order to:
Put simply, you can travel to go fishing but long journeys should be avoided ‘wherever possible'.
“to spend time or exercise outdoors – this should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space)”
Sea anglers should focus on their local beaches and fishing marks and freshwater anglers should not be travelling hundreds of miles in search of fishing during lockdown. It is up to the individual to apply common sense and act within the spirit of the government's guidance. You absolutely cannot leave home to fish if you have Coronavirus symptoms or are self-isolating.
How long to fish
There are no limits on the time that can be spent on outdoor recreation which means that anglers are able to continue fishing into and through the hours of darkness providing the other rules are observed.
NEWS
fish safely, locally and respect the ‘rule of two' during lockdown
04 November 2020
Fish safely, locally and respect the ‘rule of two' during lockdown
Having now examined the government's new Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 4) Regulations the Angling Trust is pleased to be able to offer some initial guidance and interpretation to anglers and fishery providers. Our formal guidelines will be published following further consultation with colleagues at Sport England and DCMS once Parliament has debated the regulations today and passed them into law.
Overall the Angling Trust is pleased that ministers have recognised the value of allowing angling and some other forms of outdoor recreation to continue through the forthcoming lockdown period. However, the new rules are more complicated than we had hoped and anglers should be fully aware of what we can and can't do in the next 28 days.
How to Fish
The regulations are clear and you can only leave home to fish with members of your own household, your support bubble or with one other individual. The Rule of Six is now effectively the Rule of Two for most of us. The tightening of the rules on ‘gatherings' means that match fishing or any other organised fishing event is prohibited by law during lockdown. However, competitive fishing will be able to resume once there is a return to the three tier system of restrictions.
On this basis we can announce that all Angling Trust competitions are suspended for the period covering 5th November – 2nd December 2020.
Where to Fish
Angling is deemed a permissible form of ‘outdoor recreation', and a lawful reason to leave home. It can take place, without time limits, within the provision allowing people “to visit a public outdoor space for the purposes of open air recreation”.
A ‘public outdoor space' is defined as an ‘outdoor place to which the public have, or are permitted, access (whether on payment or otherwise).' We believe this clearly includes riverbanks, towpaths, beaches and stillwaters that can either be accessed freely or on the payment of a day ticket or subscription levied by the owner or leased to a publicly available fishing association. The government clearly intends for people to be able to take their outdoor exercise and recreation in the form of angling and these regulations allow this to occur.
Fisheries are not on the published list of businesses that the government has ordered to close and there is no reason that they should do so providing that they operate in accordance with the rules
It does not permit club outings or organised amateur sporting activities of any sort. All indoor or social facilities in any way connected with a fishing venue must close or refer to the relevant Government guidance. Fishing tackle shops, whether onsite or not, can only operate a ‘click and collect' service.
Travelling to fish
Whilst the government have chosen not to write their travel guidance into law we are urging anglers to respect the advice which states that it is permissible to travel in order to:
Put simply, you can travel to go fishing but long journeys should be avoided ‘wherever possible'.
“to spend time or exercise outdoors – this should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space)”
Sea anglers should focus on their local beaches and fishing marks and freshwater anglers should not be travelling hundreds of miles in search of fishing during lockdown. It is up to the individual to apply common sense and act within the spirit of the government's guidance. You absolutely cannot leave home to fish if you have Coronavirus symptoms or are self-isolating.
How long to fish
There are no limits on the time that can be spent on outdoor recreation which means that anglers are able to continue fishing into and through the hours of darkness providing the other rules are observed.
In reply to Post #27
Nice work fella.
Although...
I'm off back to flippin work tomorrow as half term ends so I don't bloody care!
Nice work fella.
Although...
I'm off back to flippin work tomorrow as half term ends so I don't bloody care!
In reply to Post #27
that was this mornings
that was this mornings
In reply to Post #19
No, just don't be a d**k , and give people an excuse to ban it.
No, just don't be a d**k , and give people an excuse to ban it.
In reply to Post #27
Put simply, you can travel to go fishing but long journeys should be avoided ‘wherever possible'.
That's just guidance not law then
Put simply, you can travel to go fishing but long journeys should be avoided ‘wherever possible'.
That's just guidance not law then
this should be done locally wherever possible,
((((((but you can travel to do so if necessary ))))....(for example, to access an open space)”
I fish the Trent its 146 miles but its the only place Im confident that I can access an open space without seeing anyone else
EDIT
my post is a bit tongue in cheek the truth is Im classed as clinically extremely vulnerable so unlikely I will be fishing during the lock down
((((((but you can travel to do so if necessary ))))....(for example, to access an open space)”
I fish the Trent its 146 miles but its the only place Im confident that I can access an open space without seeing anyone else
EDIT
my post is a bit tongue in cheek the truth is Im classed as clinically extremely vulnerable so unlikely I will be fishing during the lock down
In reply to Post #18
Funny that my club has a couple of waters on a golf course and the golf club have told them they cant use them whilst they cant play
Funny that my club has a couple of waters on a golf course and the golf club have told them they cant use them whilst they cant play
In reply to Post #32
I fish the Trent its 146 miles
Amazing Gerry. Used to fish that in my youth, would never drive that far to fish there but I guess I take it for granted, around 1 hours drive for me
I fish the Trent its 146 miles
Amazing Gerry. Used to fish that in my youth, would never drive that far to fish there but I guess I take it for granted, around 1 hours drive for me
In reply to Post #33
One of my local waters is also on a golf course, no idea how that works. Think I will keep away and avoid any possible grief.
One of my local waters is also on a golf course, no idea how that works. Think I will keep away and avoid any possible grief.
In reply to Post #35
Hii it is good to have a good idea. fishing depends on the weather condtions.
it basically says nothing has changed, no restrictions on travel or length of stay.
of which I hope is true, but they still shouldn't say a word until firm guidance from the central government
AT have literally told me within the last few mins, and I quote
"We don't know for definite"
Parliament debates this subject and others for the next few hours!
Hii it is good to have a good idea. fishing depends on the weather condtions.
it basically says nothing has changed, no restrictions on travel or length of stay.
of which I hope is true, but they still shouldn't say a word until firm guidance from the central government
AT have literally told me within the last few mins, and I quote
"We don't know for definite"
Parliament debates this subject and others for the next few hours!
See I have this problem because in two weeks I'm meant to be fishing a lake about 1hr 20mins away from me, I contacted them to re arrange but they won't let me. The owner has said as far as he is concerned he is open and can't rearrange the session. So do I go that far or lose out on 4 days fishing that has already been paid for without a refund
In reply to Post #37
just go mate, I refer you back to post #27, everyone really is overcomplicating this
just go mate, I refer you back to post #27, everyone really is overcomplicating this
In reply to Post #37
Put simply, you can travel to go fishing but long journeys should be avoided ‘wherever possible'.
so in your particular case its not possible to avoid a long journey so you are ok its NOT LAW anyway
Put simply, you can travel to go fishing but long journeys should be avoided ‘wherever possible'.
so in your particular case its not possible to avoid a long journey so you are ok its NOT LAW anyway
In reply to Post #37
I wouldn't think twice. Just go.
I wouldn't think twice. Just go.
In reply to Post #37
Just go mate it's hardly a risk. You won't come in to contact with anyone.
Just go mate it's hardly a risk. You won't come in to contact with anyone.
In reply to Post #37
He sounds like a real decent bloke..
You should ask him if he's willing to cover any fine you might get for unnecessary travel..
He sounds like a real decent bloke..
You should ask him if he's willing to cover any fine you might get for unnecessary travel..
I will be going I was just saying that I'm in that sort of situation, the way I have to drive to the area is all country roads nearly the whole way so I'm not fussed about it. Just a bit mad when the owners won't actually let someone change there session to a couple weeks time (if we actually get out on the 2nd)
In reply to Post #43
I'm off to fish the moat at Barnard Castle... Had my rods re-ringed and need to test the eyes...
I'm off to fish the moat at Barnard Castle... Had my rods re-ringed and need to test the eyes...
In reply to Post #44
In reply to Post #38
Never a truer word.
Never a truer word.
In reply to Post #37
Mate I drove 20 miles yesterday to fish, no one was in my car, no one was at the lake and I'm still here on my own. The alternative was to manage an early shift signing in 70+ people who may or may not have the virus I know where I'm less likely to get or pass on the virus!
Michael
Mate I drove 20 miles yesterday to fish, no one was in my car, no one was at the lake and I'm still here on my own. The alternative was to manage an early shift signing in 70+ people who may or may not have the virus I know where I'm less likely to get or pass on the virus!
Michael
My everyday working life verses going fishing and my take on it.
As I own a company in construction myself and my employees can go to work (considered key workers )
They "The Government" have expected me to work right through this where on a daily basis I could come into contact with a minimum and upwards of 20 people in my daily routine probably double that some days.
Whilst I'm currently wearing a facemask and washing and sanitising my hands doing my best to remain 2 metres away from another person which got dropped to 1 metre with no evidence that I'm fully protected as well as others protected from me so the best I can hope is it helps in some way, but then I return home to my bubble and just hope i've not got infected or pass it on to my family.
Now, if I get in my van in the morning fueled up and provisions bought the day before on my own and drive to anyone of the lakes I fish from 10 minutes to 40 minutes at the furthest then get out in an open environment where at any of the lakes I can keep at a minimum of 15 yards potentially upto 300 yards away from other swims and anglers depending on the lake I choose to fish should I consider myself at any more risk than going to work on a daily basis which is what they expect from me, two of the fisheries I don't even have to get out of the van until I'm parked behind the swim, if I open or shut a gate I sanitize my hands before and after.
Which is the bigger risk? the answer is probably both but to me if the Government want me to carry on as normal in my daily working life I will with my hobby fishing, I'm on my own in my own vehicle whether that's 4 minutes or 4 hours if i'm not in contact with anyone what should it matter.
As I own a company in construction myself and my employees can go to work (considered key workers
)They "The Government" have expected me to work right through this where on a daily basis I could come into contact with a minimum and upwards of 20 people in my daily routine probably double that some days.
Whilst I'm currently wearing a facemask and washing and sanitising my hands doing my best to remain 2 metres away from another person which got dropped to 1 metre with no evidence that I'm fully protected as well as others protected from me so the best I can hope is it helps in some way, but then I return home to my bubble and just hope i've not got infected or pass it on to my family.
Now, if I get in my van in the morning fueled up and provisions bought the day before on my own and drive to anyone of the lakes I fish from 10 minutes to 40 minutes at the furthest then get out in an open environment where at any of the lakes I can keep at a minimum of 15 yards potentially upto 300 yards away from other swims and anglers depending on the lake I choose to fish should I consider myself at any more risk than going to work on a daily basis which is what they expect from me, two of the fisheries I don't even have to get out of the van until I'm parked behind the swim, if I open or shut a gate I sanitize my hands before and after.
Which is the bigger risk? the answer is probably both but to me if the Government want me to carry on as normal in my daily working life I will with my hobby fishing, I'm on my own in my own vehicle whether that's 4 minutes or 4 hours if i'm not in contact with anyone what should it matter.
In reply to Post #48
Going fishing on your own doesn't generate any revenue, whereas you going to work does. You pay wages, you buy materials you pay tax. Going fishing benefits only yourself whereas going to work benefits the economy and country as a whole.
Going to work could therefore be seen as a worthwhile risk, whereas going fishing could be seen as a non essential risk.
Going fishing on your own doesn't generate any revenue, whereas you going to work does. You pay wages, you buy materials you pay tax. Going fishing benefits only yourself whereas going to work benefits the economy and country as a whole.
Going to work could therefore be seen as a worthwhile risk, whereas going fishing could be seen as a non essential risk.
In reply to Post #49
Very good point.
There's also the divide this is starting to create when some sectors - like construction - are expected to still work whilst some others are on another furlough. People are starting to feel resentment when some individuals are treating this as an extended paid holiday.
That's not to downplay the thousands who would be much happier in work and those who increasingly know that the furlough scheme is simply prolonging the inevitable loss of job.
Very good point.
There's also the divide this is starting to create when some sectors - like construction - are expected to still work whilst some others are on another furlough. People are starting to feel resentment when some individuals are treating this as an extended paid holiday.
That's not to downplay the thousands who would be much happier in work and those who increasingly know that the furlough scheme is simply prolonging the inevitable loss of job.
Go fishing and enjoy it. You're allowed to. End of story. Anyone trying to make it anything apart from perfectly fine to go fishing is a complete killjoy and needs outcasting from society. If you're worried about corona then don't go and sit in your house. Let everyone else be.
In reply to Post #49
Going fishing on your own doesn't generate any revenue
How does it not generate any revenue I'am one of thousands? the money I earn and then spend in the tackle shops has a supply chain of manufacturers so people are then further employed in the fishing industry do they not benefit from me buying fishing consumables/bait/tickets along with all the other anglers which is all part of the bigger picture, the shops and manufacturers in whatever industry all benefit and are putting into the ECONOMY it is all subject to TAX and VAT and so the wheels keep on turning.
Is my input into the economy any less important than others? I think not and I will continue whilst I can as safely as I can while I can make my own decisions and evaluate my own risk I will, it is not going to be made by a dystopian government set of rules based around a few medical experts advise? the definition of an expert "x marks the spot and a spurt is a drip under pressure"
They are treating us like mushrooms or veal calves both covered in **** and kept in the dark unable to make our own choices, contact is the vehicle for transmission if i'm not in contact with anyone whilst fishing then surely Im at less risk than being at work in contact with many, granted still at a risk but at risk either way so who deems what is a worthwhile or evaluated risk? someone living a different life to mine and knows absolutely nothing about me.
Going fishing on your own doesn't generate any revenue
How does it not generate any revenue I'am one of thousands? the money I earn and then spend in the tackle shops has a supply chain of manufacturers so people are then further employed in the fishing industry do they not benefit from me buying fishing consumables/bait/tickets along with all the other anglers which is all part of the bigger picture, the shops and manufacturers in whatever industry all benefit and are putting into the ECONOMY it is all subject to TAX and VAT and so the wheels keep on turning.
Is my input into the economy any less important than others? I think not and I will continue whilst I can as safely as I can while I can make my own decisions and evaluate my own risk I will, it is not going to be made by a dystopian government set of rules based around a few medical experts advise? the definition of an expert "x marks the spot and a spurt is a drip under pressure"
They are treating us like mushrooms or veal calves both covered in **** and kept in the dark unable to make our own choices, contact is the vehicle for transmission if i'm not in contact with anyone whilst fishing then surely Im at less risk than being at work in contact with many, granted still at a risk but at risk either way so who deems what is a worthwhile or evaluated risk? someone living a different life to mine and knows absolutely nothing about me.
In reply to Post #50
How is it inevitable,I have just been put on furlough for the second time.During the first furlough I had a payrise,a lump sum on my pension and paid 100%,this second furlough we are all being paid 100% again so far.I do work for a massive retail company and they have been absolutely amazing throughout,they even gave us a bonus when we returned from the first furlough period.
How is it inevitable,I have just been put on furlough for the second time.During the first furlough I had a payrise,a lump sum on my pension and paid 100%,this second furlough we are all being paid 100% again so far.I do work for a massive retail company and they have been absolutely amazing throughout,they even gave us a bonus when we returned from the first furlough period.
In reply to Post #53
There have been people already lost their jobs during Furlough time,
i have worked all the way thru and consider myself very fortunate to work for the company i do.
just because you are getting top notch benefits now doesnt mean your massive retail company wont cut costs going forward.
for yours and all workers sakes in every trade i hope not
There have been people already lost their jobs during Furlough time,
i have worked all the way thru and consider myself very fortunate to work for the company i do.
just because you are getting top notch benefits now doesnt mean your massive retail company wont cut costs going forward.
for yours and all workers sakes in every trade i hope not
In reply to Post #54
They may do as nobody knows how long this is all going to go on for.
They may do as nobody knows how long this is all going to go on for.
In reply to Post #52
In reply to Post #53
I meant that for some people it's inevitable - not all.
I also think that rather than an act of altruism, the extension of the furlough scheme is a government trying to spread the rise in unemployment figures out rather than them all hitting at once. But that could just be my cynicism. ...
I meant that for some people it's inevitable - not all.
I also think that rather than an act of altruism, the extension of the furlough scheme is a government trying to spread the rise in unemployment figures out rather than them all hitting at once. But that could just be my cynicism. ...
Well I came back from my Syndi this morning, (blanked.... 
) which is about 40 miles away and the volume of traffic on the road was only very slightly less than normal.....so either people aren't taking Lockdown 2 seriously or there are an awful lot of essential journeys.....
) which is about 40 miles away and the volume of traffic on the road was only very slightly less than normal.....so either people aren't taking Lockdown 2 seriously or there are an awful lot of essential journeys.....
In reply to Post #58
my brother is working in London. Apple store Covent garden is open. thats essential. lol
my brother is working in London. Apple store Covent garden is open. thats essential. lol
In reply to Post #59
An apple a day...
An apple a day...
In reply to Post #52
I'm not sure the revenue generated from fishing tackle bought by thousands of anglers can be compared to the income tax, national insurance and VAT on materials from thousands of people at work on a construction site can it? The revenue from supply chain is certainly not comparable between construction and fishing tackle.
You have misunderstood my point, I was talking about the BIGGER bigger picture. And I certainly wasn't saying don't fish. I will be working on site and fishing while I can also.
I'm not sure the revenue generated from fishing tackle bought by thousands of anglers can be compared to the income tax, national insurance and VAT on materials from thousands of people at work on a construction site can it? The revenue from supply chain is certainly not comparable between construction and fishing tackle.
You have misunderstood my point, I was talking about the BIGGER bigger picture. And I certainly wasn't saying don't fish. I will be working on site and fishing while I can also.
In reply to Post #59
Pet grooming business that operates from a high street shop is open near me, customers spotted through the shop window with their pets.
Local estate agent workers are busy inside their shop but no customers noticed.
Is this a lockdown or not?
Pet grooming business that operates from a high street shop is open near me, customers spotted through the shop window with their pets.
Local estate agent workers are busy inside their shop but no customers noticed.
Is this a lockdown or not?
In reply to Post #62
So dogs can get a haircut but people can't?
Not that I'm complaining of course...
So dogs can get a haircut but people can't?
Not that I'm complaining of course...
In reply to Post #61
Granted nowhere near what the construction industry puts in and I submit to your point on that but angling is near one and a half billion added to the economy and supports approximately 27,000 jobs so it generates an input and supports enough people and their family's not to be dismissed as doesnt generate any revenue.
Granted nowhere near what the construction industry puts in and I submit to your point on that but angling is near one and a half billion added to the economy and supports approximately 27,000 jobs so it generates an input and supports enough people and their family's not to be dismissed as doesnt generate any revenue.
In reply to Post #50
I had a contract for the nhs cancelled at the start of the first lockdown, potentially 12 months money in 4-6 months, then had a few customers pull out of projects due to start.
So I found other work and have paid my way the same as usual, 12-14 hour days as usual, 100s of miles a week as usual..
The building trade only slowed down due to material shortage and government scaremongering.
I just hope in the near future those sat at home or able to fish whenever they fancy appreciate the fact a small percentage of the population have kept the economy from collapsing altogether. Dustmen, delivery drivers, shop workers, emergency services, teachers, manual workers etc. are the backbone of the country but I'm not sure even Covid lockdowns and free money will make people realise that.
You can forget social distancing too, there are 000s on modest incomes still getting up at 5am and living in the firing line of Covid to make what meagre contribution they can towards the bill for half the nation to paint their living rooms and play with themselves at home.
I think you're right and a lot of people aren't going to forget the cards they have been dealt through this.
But obviously going fishing is top of the agenda
I had a contract for the nhs cancelled at the start of the first lockdown, potentially 12 months money in 4-6 months, then had a few customers pull out of projects due to start.
So I found other work and have paid my way the same as usual, 12-14 hour days as usual, 100s of miles a week as usual..
The building trade only slowed down due to material shortage and government scaremongering.
I just hope in the near future those sat at home or able to fish whenever they fancy appreciate the fact a small percentage of the population have kept the economy from collapsing altogether. Dustmen, delivery drivers, shop workers, emergency services, teachers, manual workers etc. are the backbone of the country but I'm not sure even Covid lockdowns and free money will make people realise that.
You can forget social distancing too, there are 000s on modest incomes still getting up at 5am and living in the firing line of Covid to make what meagre contribution they can towards the bill for half the nation to paint their living rooms and play with themselves at home.
I think you're right and a lot of people aren't going to forget the cards they have been dealt through this.
But obviously going fishing is top of the agenda
In reply to Post #64
Those figures are near that of the commercial fishing industry, can't see the pleasure angling industry being anything like those figures.
If the figures are based on the 2018 ea survey they are very suspect as it looked at 10,000 anglers at peak popularity. Also a vast number of jobs have been lost as the big online retailers have taken over from the local shops.
Those figures are near that of the commercial fishing industry, can't see the pleasure angling industry being anything like those figures.
If the figures are based on the 2018 ea survey they are very suspect as it looked at 10,000 anglers at peak popularity. Also a vast number of jobs have been lost as the big online retailers have taken over from the local shops.
In reply to Post #65
Fair play to you noj
Just looking through your list and thinking how often they are the workers who get either passed over or screwed over by government. ...
More big retail redundancies this week... covid has sped up that process of online killing off the high streets
Fair play to you noj
Just looking through your list and thinking how often they are the workers who get either passed over or screwed over by government. ...
More big retail redundancies this week... covid has sped up that process of online killing off the high streets
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Well said sir
Well said sir
In reply to Post #67
Those workers are generally screwed over full stop. Many haven't the means to buy a home due to what lenders deem affordable, yet rent for a 2 bed flat exceeds the mortgage on a 3 bed house. Not that I'm implying we should lend everyone 00s of 000s, because they are clearly a higher risk to lenders which is reflected in the interest rates offered and has bitten the country in the arse previously, but successive governments have failed to address making housing genuinely affordable. I've paid out north of 15k for a **** flat since all this started in rent (never a moment late) and the landlord has not only had a mortgage holiday but booted us out to sell up after we've covered almost half what the council sold to her for in 4 years.
But please take 20% of my earnings to pay the wages of homeowners taking mortgage holidays and struggling to understand simple regulations about wether they can spend time in their nylon masturbation dome. If you want to go fishing because you're bored or don't like your family just go, maybe drop me a message and I'll bring you all down a takeaway and a few cold beers between work, running around for a heavily pregnant atomic hormone bomb and putting our stuff into paid storage
Those workers are generally screwed over full stop. Many haven't the means to buy a home due to what lenders deem affordable, yet rent for a 2 bed flat exceeds the mortgage on a 3 bed house. Not that I'm implying we should lend everyone 00s of 000s, because they are clearly a higher risk to lenders which is reflected in the interest rates offered and has bitten the country in the arse previously, but successive governments have failed to address making housing genuinely affordable. I've paid out north of 15k for a **** flat since all this started in rent (never a moment late) and the landlord has not only had a mortgage holiday but booted us out to sell up after we've covered almost half what the council sold to her for in 4 years.
But please take 20% of my earnings to pay the wages of homeowners taking mortgage holidays and struggling to understand simple regulations about wether they can spend time in their nylon masturbation dome. If you want to go fishing because you're bored or don't like your family just go, maybe drop me a message and I'll bring you all down a takeaway and a few cold beers between work, running around for a heavily pregnant atomic hormone bomb and putting our stuff into paid storage
Fishing in Lockdown - what we can
and cannot do (England)
Under the November 5th 2020 Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations
fishing is deemed a permissible form of outdoor recreation and a ‘lawful excuse' to leave
home. This has been confirmed by ministers and in subsequent government guidance.
https://www.sportengland.org/news/national-restrictions-our-support-during-period
However, certain limitations have been introduced and these are enforceable by law with fines
of up to £10,000 now in place.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/pdfs/uksi_20201200_en.pdf
LOCKDOWN 2
Advice notes for anglers
Published 05/11/2020
Pleasure Fishing
You can go fishing in the sea or in freshwater (with or without keepnets) in ‘outdoor public places'
which include: neighbourhood streets, parks, beaches, and the countryside; public gardens and
grounds (whether or not you pay to enter them).
However, regulations are clear and you can only leave home to fish with members of your own
household, your support bubble or with one other individual. The Rule of Six is now effectively the
Rule of Two for most of us.
As the existing regulations, which allow for an activity to ‘continue through the night', have not
changed and there are no limits on the time that can be spent on outdoor recreation, anglers are
able to continue fishing into and through the hours of darkness providing the other rules are
observed. This is distinct from camping and campsites which are required to close.
Match Fishing
The tightening of the government's rules on ‘gatherings' means that match fishing or any other
organised fishing or amateur sporting event is prohibited by law during lockdown. However,
competitive fishing will be able to resume once there is a return to the three tier system of
restrictions.
Part Three of the regulations state:
Participation in outdoor gatherings
9.—(1) No person may participate in a gathering which—
(a) takes place in a public outdoor place and consists of more than two people, or
(b) takes place in any other outdoor place (including any outdoor part of a private dwelling) and
consists of two or more people.
A similar offence is included for the organising of any such ‘gatherings'. On this basis we can
announce that all Angling Trust competitions are suspended for the period covering 5th November
– 2nd December 2020.
LOCKDOWN 2
Advice notes for
clubs & fisheries
The Angling Trust has advised that this includes riverbanks, towpaths, beaches and
stillwaters that can either be accessed freely or on the payment of a day ticket or
subscription levied by the owner or leased to a publicly available fishing association.
Fisheries are not on the published list of businesses that the government has ordered
to close and we believe there is no reason that they should do so providing that they
operate in accordance with the rules. There is also included a non-exhaustive list of
businesses that can remain open and we are in discussions with Government about
clarifying their guidance by specifically adding fisheries to this list. It remains the case
that if Government really wanted fisheries to close they would have said so in the
regulations.
However, all indoor or social facilities in any way connected with a fishing venue must
close and fishing tackle shops, whether onsite or not, can only operate a ‘click and
collect' service.
As a national governing body the Angling Trust is charged with interpreting the
Government's guidelines as they impact on recreational fishing. Fisheries remain free to
seek their own advice.
and cannot do (England)
Under the November 5th 2020 Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Regulations
fishing is deemed a permissible form of outdoor recreation and a ‘lawful excuse' to leave
home. This has been confirmed by ministers and in subsequent government guidance.
https://www.sportengland.org/news/national-restrictions-our-support-during-period
However, certain limitations have been introduced and these are enforceable by law with fines
of up to £10,000 now in place.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/pdfs/uksi_20201200_en.pdf
LOCKDOWN 2
Advice notes for anglers
Published 05/11/2020
Pleasure Fishing
You can go fishing in the sea or in freshwater (with or without keepnets) in ‘outdoor public places'
which include: neighbourhood streets, parks, beaches, and the countryside; public gardens and
grounds (whether or not you pay to enter them).
However, regulations are clear and you can only leave home to fish with members of your own
household, your support bubble or with one other individual. The Rule of Six is now effectively the
Rule of Two for most of us.
As the existing regulations, which allow for an activity to ‘continue through the night', have not
changed and there are no limits on the time that can be spent on outdoor recreation, anglers are
able to continue fishing into and through the hours of darkness providing the other rules are
observed. This is distinct from camping and campsites which are required to close.
Match Fishing
The tightening of the government's rules on ‘gatherings' means that match fishing or any other
organised fishing or amateur sporting event is prohibited by law during lockdown. However,
competitive fishing will be able to resume once there is a return to the three tier system of
restrictions.
Part Three of the regulations state:
Participation in outdoor gatherings
9.—(1) No person may participate in a gathering which—
(a) takes place in a public outdoor place and consists of more than two people, or
(b) takes place in any other outdoor place (including any outdoor part of a private dwelling) and
consists of two or more people.
A similar offence is included for the organising of any such ‘gatherings'. On this basis we can
announce that all Angling Trust competitions are suspended for the period covering 5th November
– 2nd December 2020.
LOCKDOWN 2
Advice notes for
clubs & fisheries
The Angling Trust has advised that this includes riverbanks, towpaths, beaches and
stillwaters that can either be accessed freely or on the payment of a day ticket or
subscription levied by the owner or leased to a publicly available fishing association.
Fisheries are not on the published list of businesses that the government has ordered
to close and we believe there is no reason that they should do so providing that they
operate in accordance with the rules. There is also included a non-exhaustive list of
businesses that can remain open and we are in discussions with Government about
clarifying their guidance by specifically adding fisheries to this list. It remains the case
that if Government really wanted fisheries to close they would have said so in the
regulations.
However, all indoor or social facilities in any way connected with a fishing venue must
close and fishing tackle shops, whether onsite or not, can only operate a ‘click and
collect' service.
As a national governing body the Angling Trust is charged with interpreting the
Government's guidelines as they impact on recreational fishing. Fisheries remain free to
seek their own advice.
In reply to Post #70
No wonder your pissed mate
went through that myself a few years back, paid some other ****s mortgage for years then get turfed out
It's hard to see so many people paid to sit on they're arses while I'm working 6 long days a week and am currently owed around 6 grand for jobs I can't finish as I can't get the appliances
No wonder your pissed mate
went through that myself a few years back, paid some other ****s mortgage for years then get turfed out It's hard to see so many people paid to sit on they're arses while I'm working 6 long days a week and am currently owed around 6 grand for jobs I can't finish as I can't get the appliances
In reply to Post #72
Some people are on furlough who don't want to be,me included.I asked if I could stay in work when we were told on Thursday.
Some people are on furlough who don't want to be,me included.I asked if I could stay in work when we were told on Thursday.
In reply to Post #73
I know that mate, I'd go nuts in that position, but many are loving it, and that makes it harder for those who have to work.
I've done more nights on thorney weir than my proper water as its quieter
I know that mate, I'd go nuts in that position, but many are loving it, and that makes it harder for those who have to work.
I've done more nights on thorney weir than my proper water as its quieter
In reply to Post #74
The warehouse i work in has stayed open but I guess they want to cut the wage bill as its quiet with our stores being shut,it makes sense really.Im hoping its only going to be for a week or so,I really don't think I can do until December without going nuts.How do these people who live on handouts do it
The warehouse i work in has stayed open but I guess they want to cut the wage bill as its quiet with our stores being shut,it makes sense really.Im hoping its only going to be for a week or so,I really don't think I can do until December without going nuts.How do these people who live on handouts do it
In reply to Post #71
It seems that very few things are actually considered 'criminal offences' and shouldn't affect any of us unless we want to go to a big demo/riot or a rave LINK
I haven't worked since March when the industry I work(ed) in was closed down with no signs of reopening for the foreseeable, if I want to go fishing (which is about the only thing at the moment that is saving my sanity) then I will and I am.
It seems that very few things are actually considered 'criminal offences' and shouldn't affect any of us unless we want to go to a big demo/riot or a rave LINK
I haven't worked since March when the industry I work(ed) in was closed down with no signs of reopening for the foreseeable, if I want to go fishing (which is about the only thing at the moment that is saving my sanity) then I will and I am.
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