Braders has put on to this really looks the business! Does anybody see using this on a lake that doesn't allow braided leaders been a problem 
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No mate. I started using it because of a similar rule. It's awesome stuff.
No mate. I started using it because of a similar rule. It's awesome stuff.
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Its tubing, you thread it on. Why ask questions?
Its tubing, you thread it on. Why ask questions?
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The concept of a forum is questions, I was unsure how the tubing is perceived hence why I asked question! I will happily explain it in simple turns if you don't understand some of the longer words
The concept of a forum is questions, I was unsure how the tubing is perceived hence why I asked question! I will happily explain it in simple turns if you don't understand some of the longer words
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Cheers buddy, I am waiting a delivery, looks great
Cheers buddy, I am waiting a delivery, looks great
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I got some after Yonny mentioned it on here,it's the best tubing I have used
I got some after Yonny mentioned it on here,it's the best tubing I have used
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Its very different to normal tubing
I love the stuff, yeah its expensive but it sinks like a stone, is super easy to thread and is unbelievably tough. I use it a lot
Its very different to normal tubing
I love the stuff, yeah its expensive but it sinks like a stone, is super easy to thread and is unbelievably tough. I use it a lot
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It's braided tubing though so asked if it's classed as a braided leader which is band on his water.Surely that's an ok question
It's braided tubing though so asked if it's classed as a braided leader which is band on his water.Surely that's an ok question
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Been using it for years through all the slight changes in it .It's now thicker than it was and preferred the previous version but it is still excellent the best I have used .And yes it's tubing and not a leader and legal everywhere I have used it
Been using it for years through all the slight changes in it .It's now thicker than it was and preferred the previous version but it is still excellent the best I have used .And yes it's tubing and not a leader and legal everywhere I have used it
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I suppose it's the constant need of some to have everything defined to the enth degree rather than draw their own conclusion.
It's good stuff though and to be recommended 😊.
I suppose it's the constant need of some to have everything defined to the enth degree rather than draw their own conclusion.
It's good stuff though and to be recommended 😊.
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That's what a forum is for surely to help eachother out
That's what a forum is for surely to help eachother out
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I hope not because I'm in the same position, picked mine up yesterday after recommendations on another thread.
I hope not because I'm in the same position, picked mine up yesterday after recommendations on another thread.
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Ridiculous imo.
Ridiculous imo.
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49 rules and they get more ridiculous as it goes on. Don't ever mention in jest that you can't fart without the express permission of a bailiff or else they'll have 50!
49 rules and they get more ridiculous as it goes on. Don't ever mention in jest that you can't fart without the express permission of a bailiff or else they'll have 50!
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That's a lot of rules.
That's a lot of rules.
We all know The whole point of the leader ban on many fisheries is you can't have a knot above the hook link. Fact.
The Concept of this tubing clearly doesn't so I can't see an issue with it. It slides freely up your main line and the line will pull free in the event of a crack off.
The Concept of this tubing clearly doesn't so I can't see an issue with it. It slides freely up your main line and the line will pull free in the event of a crack off.
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"enth"?
"enth"?
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I couldn't agree more foxxy
I couldn't agree more foxxy
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That should have been nth as in nth degree and it's a valid scrabble word. Apologies if you already knew this mate
That should have been nth as in nth degree and it's a valid scrabble word. Apologies if you already knew this mate
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Free fall is a great tubing and I use it, however it's much stiffer that it used to be. The Previous version was much more supple and hugged the lake bed better.
Free fall is a great tubing and I use it, however it's much stiffer that it used to be. The Previous version was much more supple and hugged the lake bed better.
I've just seen, on a Catfish group, that Furnace are now allowing this tubing.
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Other way round mate. The original is the stiffer, heavier stuff. The newer stuff is lighter and more supple.
I still have both, as well as the new wide bore stuff. I actually prefer the heavier, stiffer original stuff but the new stuff is still brilliant.
Other way round mate. The original is the stiffer, heavier stuff. The newer stuff is lighter and more supple.
I still have both, as well as the new wide bore stuff. I actually prefer the heavier, stiffer original stuff but the new stuff is still brilliant.
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Rather than start a new thread does anyone use this or is it safe to use with a helicopter lead or best used lead clip system, thanks.
Rather than start a new thread does anyone use this or is it safe to use with a helicopter lead or best used lead clip system, thanks.
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MVF banned it due an an instance where the inner steel core resulted in a tethering incident. They also banned cradles due to a member dropped a fish onto the frame and popping a rib of the capture.
MVF banned it due an an instance where the inner steel core resulted in a tethering incident. They also banned cradles due to a member dropped a fish onto the frame and popping a rib of the capture.
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Its all random chance and Issac Newtons fault if he had not invented gravity fish never would have fallen.
Its all random chance and Issac Newtons fault if he had not invented gravity fish never would have fallen.
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Thanks Sherlock.
Thanks Sherlock.
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Funnily enough I don't remember ever hurting a fish when everyone simply laid them on the wet grass... Or even when some visionaries started to use baby changing mats
Funnily enough I don't remember ever hurting a fish when everyone simply laid them on the wet grass... Or even when some visionaries started to use baby changing mats
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I don't get the rule banning leaders. even with tubing when the line breaks (say 6 feet) above Tubing it will generally pig-tail and make the rig a tether rig anyway. The further from the rig the break the more likely this is, especially with the tow rope people use because leaders are banned.
I don't get the rule banning leaders. even with tubing when the line breaks (say 6 feet) above Tubing it will generally pig-tail and make the rig a tether rig anyway. The further from the rig the break the more likely this is, especially with the tow rope people use because leaders are banned.
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Where's the like button lol
Where's the like button lol
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There must be numerous variables of this tubing as i have bought 3 lots now bought months apart, the first one was by far the softest and hugged the bottom, the second lot the stiffest and the third lot in between the two!
There must be numerous variables of this tubing as i have bought 3 lots now bought months apart, the first one was by far the softest and hugged the bottom, the second lot the stiffest and the third lot in between the two!
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prefered the first it was thinner and was the best thing ever still use the new tubing but it is not as good
prefered the first it was thinner and was the best thing ever still use the new tubing but it is not as good
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Been using it for a few years. Never had problems with regards to rule contravention using it, even where braid is banned. Sinks very well, extremely camouflaged as it picks up silt nicely and threads really easily.I find it especially good in the Crayfish infested waters I fish. Crays demolish tungsten tubing in no time, but the Rigmarole tubing totally resists their best efforts. The only downside is that the inner coiled wire (bit like a net curtain cable) is made of stainless steel. Should you crack off and not be able to recover the lost line, the outer fabric of the tubing will over time rot exposing the wire. I've heard of an instance of this wire being wrapped round a swan and causing severe injuries unfortunately.
Been using it for a few years. Never had problems with regards to rule contravention using it, even where braid is banned. Sinks very well, extremely camouflaged as it picks up silt nicely and threads really easily.I find it especially good in the Crayfish infested waters I fish. Crays demolish tungsten tubing in no time, but the Rigmarole tubing totally resists their best efforts. The only downside is that the inner coiled wire (bit like a net curtain cable) is made of stainless steel. Should you crack off and not be able to recover the lost line, the outer fabric of the tubing will over time rot exposing the wire. I've heard of an instance of this wire being wrapped round a swan and causing severe injuries unfortunately.
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My Local club has banned the use of this tubing. When I enquired to why? They said the inner wire coil could unravel and lead to problems. I didnt enquire to whether that had actually happened on the waters or not? But I suppose it could be an issue if it did. Anyone actually experienced this happening on the waters they fish?
My Local club has banned the use of this tubing. When I enquired to why? They said the inner wire coil could unravel and lead to problems. I didnt enquire to whether that had actually happened on the waters or not? But I suppose it could be an issue if it did. Anyone actually experienced this happening on the waters they fish?
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Nope
Nope
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Been using it for several years never hadn't issues hard as nails and like anything once gone it is a risk no more than 20lb mono or braid though or leadcore. Imo once it cracks off it is so heavy it sinks into the silt in all but the hardest of lake bed areas
Been using it for several years never hadn't issues hard as nails and like anything once gone it is a risk no more than 20lb mono or braid though or leadcore. Imo once it cracks off it is so heavy it sinks into the silt in all but the hardest of lake bed areas
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Used it for years with zero issues . Just been banned on my syndicate so I need to look elsewhere now
Used it for years with zero issues . Just been banned on my syndicate so I need to look elsewhere now
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Did they give you a reason why its banned? Or they just going on hearsay?
Did they give you a reason why its banned? Or they just going on hearsay?
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Love this stuff
My syndicate thought I was using leadcore which is banned
Most of the guys on there are now on it
I've never had any issues with it
Love this stuff
My syndicate thought I was using leadcore which is banned
Most of the guys on there are now on it
I've never had any issues with it
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I've been using it exclusively for some time now even on waters that allow leaders as its just works perfectly . . .however I will say after some time you do need to check it to ensure any areas haven't frayed etc . . .checked on one set of rods I hadn't used for a while the other week and there was some wire poking out of an area that must have been subject to snags/abriasion without me realising - got binned and replaced with another length immediately
I've been using it exclusively for some time now even on waters that allow leaders as its just works perfectly . . .however I will say after some time you do need to check it to ensure any areas haven't frayed etc . . .checked on one set of rods I hadn't used for a while the other week and there was some wire poking out of an area that must have been subject to snags/abriasion without me realising - got binned and replaced with another length immediately
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That was exactly why a syndicate I used to be in banned it.
That was exactly why a syndicate I used to be in banned it.
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Brilliant stuff, used it for years with no issues.
Brilliant stuff, used it for years with no issues.
It changed from the original and is far less supple to be fair, most tungsten tubing nowadays is excellent to be fair
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I use both and cant fault either, only issue i find with the tungsten, is its very hard to re-thread the same bit of tubing if you are on the bank🤦♂️
I use both and cant fault either, only issue i find with the tungsten, is its very hard to re-thread the same bit of tubing if you are on the bank🤦♂️
Only just seen a video about this stuff and it looks quite interesting. Anyone still using it? Any issues?
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Its the best tubing on the market imo,I had an issue with one piece.The rubber collar at the end came off.I contacted them and had a brand new pack sent out foc,its easy to thread,sinks like a brick and sits over the contours of the lakebed perfectly
Its the best tubing on the market imo,I had an issue with one piece.The rubber collar at the end came off.I contacted them and had a brand new pack sent out foc,its easy to thread,sinks like a brick and sits over the contours of the lakebed perfectly
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Thanks Braders. Any problems using them with running rigs?
Thanks Braders. Any problems using them with running rigs?
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I use the evolve and fox running rig kits and never had any issues at all.If you have a look on Tommy's tackle they've done some in a different colour that looks interesting,also the tubing takes on glug really well
I use the evolve and fox running rig kits and never had any issues at all.If you have a look on Tommy's tackle they've done some in a different colour that looks interesting,also the tubing takes on glug really well
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Probably going to go for the black/brown on the Rig Marole Site. 2 packs for £26 and free postage.
Probably going to go for the black/brown on the Rig Marole Site. 2 packs for £26 and free postage.
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ok mate I just thought save you a couple of quid as if its first order from Tommys you get £6 off
ok mate I just thought save you a couple of quid as if its first order from Tommys you get £6 off
I used the original coated freefall tubing ? 13-14 years ago.
Perhaps longer..has it really been that long?
Didn't have any issues with the core protrudiing as such, it wasn't cheap, less hassle than tubing but I vaguely remember it wouild stretch if the fish was in a ball of weed.
Perhaps longer..has it really been that long?
Didn't have any issues with the core protrudiing as such, it wasn't cheap, less hassle than tubing but I vaguely remember it wouild stretch if the fish was in a ball of weed.
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Actually did go with Tommys as it let me use Paypal. Couldnt use the discount tho as its only for orders over £28.
Actually did go with Tommys as it let me use Paypal. Couldnt use the discount tho as its only for orders over £28.
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I have been using it since it's inception with no problems however, I have heard of it unravelling and exposing the sharp wire.
A fair few commercial fisheries, especially in France have banned it.
I have been using it since it's inception with no problems however, I have heard of it unravelling and exposing the sharp wire.
A fair few commercial fisheries, especially in France have banned it.
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Have heard about the unravelling issue so will just have to keep and eye on that, especially as i use running rigs predominantly. Checked the lake im fishing in France this May and no mention of it. Will keep my original tubing in case they ask me not to use it tho.
Have heard about the unravelling issue so will just have to keep and eye on that, especially as i use running rigs predominantly. Checked the lake im fishing in France this May and no mention of it. Will keep my original tubing in case they ask me not to use it tho.
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It is good stuff and easy to thread / more manageable than standard tungsten tubing IMO . . .its also braided so takes on lake bed 'detrius' and you can soak it in glug if you can be *rsed etc.
New batches are not quite as supple as the original stuff, however its still heavy and will follow undulations on a slack line etc. Standard Free fall will take 0.40mm dia mainline (and thread easily) so no need to go for the wide bore version unless using silly heavy mainlines . . .
Perfect for lead clip and running rig set ups however it doesn't like being kinked (it can fray the braided outer and expose the inner over time) so not ideal with Heli set ups etc. I use mine with an adapted drop off inline (Fox Drop off Inline kit) which doesn't require a rear tapered sleeve however you still need to be careful when using the rear peg which needs boring out slightly to get the protected end of the tubing through without damage - this also creates a lesser angle when positioned around the lead and mitigates kinking etc . . .
It is good stuff and easy to thread / more manageable than standard tungsten tubing IMO . . .its also braided so takes on lake bed 'detrius' and you can soak it in glug if you can be *rsed etc.
New batches are not quite as supple as the original stuff, however its still heavy and will follow undulations on a slack line etc. Standard Free fall will take 0.40mm dia mainline (and thread easily) so no need to go for the wide bore version unless using silly heavy mainlines . . .
Perfect for lead clip and running rig set ups however it doesn't like being kinked (it can fray the braided outer and expose the inner over time) so not ideal with Heli set ups etc. I use mine with an adapted drop off inline (Fox Drop off Inline kit) which doesn't require a rear tapered sleeve however you still need to be careful when using the rear peg which needs boring out slightly to get the protected end of the tubing through without damage - this also creates a lesser angle when positioned around the lead and mitigates kinking etc . . .
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The origional was better
The origional was better
Ordered Monday, delivered yesterday morning. Big up to Tommys Tackle.
Just need to respool before i can put them on. Nice and heavy but also very supple.
Just need to respool before i can put them on. Nice and heavy but also very supple.
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I only use running rigs so fingers crossed i shouldnt really have any issues.
Im going to be spooling up with 17lb Seaguar Invizx Fluorocarbon so shouldnt get any threading issues either?
I only use running rigs so fingers crossed i shouldnt really have any issues.
Im going to be spooling up with 17lb Seaguar Invizx Fluorocarbon so shouldnt get any threading issues either?
I used the original and yeah very easy to thread. But
Is it any better that tungsten- not for me. It's make up means it's impossible to be as flexible.
A couple of my waters have banned it so not worth the faff of chop and changing.
So for me it's a no, it makes threading easier, but imo there are better solutions that are less controversial and I feel are better options in my fishing.
Is it any better that tungsten- not for me. It's make up means it's impossible to be as flexible.
A couple of my waters have banned it so not worth the faff of chop and changing.
So for me it's a no, it makes threading easier, but imo there are better solutions that are less controversial and I feel are better options in my fishing.
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What tungsten tube is more flexible? I'm intrigued as for me it's far more flexible/supple than any of the Tungsten tube I've used(not that I've used many, only the korda and bank stuff)
What tungsten tube is more flexible? I'm intrigued as for me it's far more flexible/supple than any of the Tungsten tube I've used(not that I've used many, only the korda and bank stuff)
The ESP tube is more flexible. I stopped using the rig marole tubing when I saw it on my spot from a boat. It lays out perfectly straight due to the metal liner and stood out like a sore thumb. Might not matter for some fish but I prefer to be a bit more subtle.
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Is tungsten tubing more flexible - 100%
You can hold the end of the rig marole upwards in your fingers and a 10inch length stays straight.
You hold the end of tungsten and you'd have to be a snake charmer to keep it straight
The Korda nano tube is by far the most flexible but I have found it rubbish regards splitting.
The rig marole spring can never be more flexible but don't think many people claim it to be, it has some very clear advantages
Easy to thread
Abrasion resistant
Takes on sediment
But the bans and flexibility for me outweigh the above
Is tungsten tubing more flexible - 100%
You can hold the end of the rig marole upwards in your fingers and a 10inch length stays straight.
You hold the end of tungsten and you'd have to be a snake charmer to keep it straight
The Korda nano tube is by far the most flexible but I have found it rubbish regards splitting.
The rig marole spring can never be more flexible but don't think many people claim it to be, it has some very clear advantages
Easy to thread
Abrasion resistant
Takes on sediment
But the bans and flexibility for me outweigh the above
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I have to agree, bought to much of it at a show (various colours) as you do but only used it a couple of times. All about confidence I guess but I thought it looked so awful/obvious in the water.
I have to agree, bought to much of it at a show (various colours) as you do but only used it a couple of times. All about confidence I guess but I thought it looked so awful/obvious in the water.
Couldn't get on with this stuff at all. It's like the chord your nans kitchen curtains hung from. I would not advise using it on a running rig, it's far too stiff. The best tubing I've used by a country mile is Korda Nano
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If the braided leader is banned because of it's rough texture against the skin of the Carp then yes I can see it being a problem. It's equally as rough as lead core ime.
I started using it after seeing it mentioned on the forum, quite a while ago and I liked it a lot, though I didn't like the roughness of it compared to say some Tungsten tubing, but even that can be rough, the Berkley was iirc, I mostly used ESP then Korda before the Rig Marole.
The RM is not as flexible as Tungsten. I kept spare lengths of Tungsten in my older style Fox box narrow comps (top and bottom), I'd wind it round 2 fingers, tuck the tag ends in and the looped tube would sit flat on the base. The RM wouldn't wind so tightly, you could feel it really resisting, the looped lengths would sit on a diagonal or go in the bigger comps.
I tended to buy the pre made lengths which had shrink tube on the ends, but also had the full lengths. In any case, you could lose the shrink tube off the end and get fraying, I'd burn it with a lighter, cut any inner sheath back to the braid, blob of super glue, and attach another bit of shrink tube, job done
If the braided leader is banned because of it's rough texture against the skin of the Carp then yes I can see it being a problem. It's equally as rough as lead core ime.
I started using it after seeing it mentioned on the forum, quite a while ago and I liked it a lot, though I didn't like the roughness of it compared to say some Tungsten tubing, but even that can be rough, the Berkley was iirc, I mostly used ESP then Korda before the Rig Marole.
The RM is not as flexible as Tungsten. I kept spare lengths of Tungsten in my older style Fox box narrow comps (top and bottom), I'd wind it round 2 fingers, tuck the tag ends in and the looped tube would sit flat on the base. The RM wouldn't wind so tightly, you could feel it really resisting, the looped lengths would sit on a diagonal or go in the bigger comps.
I tended to buy the pre made lengths which had shrink tube on the ends, but also had the full lengths. In any case, you could lose the shrink tube off the end and get fraying, I'd burn it with a lighter, cut any inner sheath back to the braid, blob of super glue, and attach another bit of shrink tube, job done
i seen this stuff on Tommy tackle i think it was and it looked really rigid and straight and not very likely to lin down over uneven bottom
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+1 on using the ESP Tungsten tubing. I've got three packets of rigmarole still in my tacklebox after hearing some hype around it, but it's too stiff. I've had it sticking out of silt at odd angles.
Whereas the esp tungsten is heavy, supple, & contours nicely. Before the ESP I used Nash tubing. Its perfectly workable, but esp edges it out on weight & suppleness
+1 on using the ESP Tungsten tubing. I've got three packets of rigmarole still in my tacklebox after hearing some hype around it, but it's too stiff. I've had it sticking out of silt at odd angles.
Whereas the esp tungsten is heavy, supple, & contours nicely. Before the ESP I used Nash tubing. Its perfectly workable, but esp edges it out on weight & suppleness
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