Just out of interest really- do people find that the full timers/banktramps on the lakes they fish actually go home at weekends any more or do they stay on ? When I started carping they used to all disappear on the Friday but in my recent experience it seems they don't seem to do that anymore, does anyone else find this?
Maybe they don't have a home to go too.
In reply to Post #2
Hmm, I'm not sure, I think it's maybe fish at all costs and **** everyone else but maybe I'm cynical.
Hmm, I'm not sure, I think it's maybe fish at all costs and **** everyone else but maybe I'm cynical.
Maybe they've paid the same price for a ticket as everyone else & are as entitled to fish as long as they like? Assuming there's nothing in the rules preventing it?
In reply to Post #4
Possibly- a fair point, but you would have thought that common decency towards people who they know can only fish at weekends would nudge the moral compass enough that they pull off- like they used to. We don't decide a moral code through a club rule book surely. No? That's a bit off topic anyway, just wondering if the sentiment had changed a lot from the time that they always used to.
Possibly- a fair point, but you would have thought that common decency towards people who they know can only fish at weekends would nudge the moral compass enough that they pull off- like they used to. We don't decide a moral code through a club rule book surely. No? That's a bit off topic anyway, just wondering if the sentiment had changed a lot from the time that they always used to.
In reply to Post #5
I have no problem with full timers. It's their choice. I'm a little jealous of their fishing time but bear in mind they'll be jealous of the house/wife/kids one day. Or will they lol.
I have no problem with full timers. It's their choice. I'm a little jealous of their fishing time but bear in mind they'll be jealous of the house/wife/kids one day. Or will they lol.
In reply to Post #6
Or anything like an income to put it in base terms.
Or anything like an income to put it in base terms.
In reply to Post #7
Exactly. You cant buy anything with a **** hot photo album.
Exactly. You cant buy anything with a **** hot photo album.
In reply to Post #8
Unless it contains incriminating evidence of politicians and celebrities...
Unless it contains incriminating evidence of politicians and celebrities...
In reply to Post #5
I had a moral compass once ... unfortunately I've now lost my way
I had a moral compass once ... unfortunately I've now lost my way
In reply to Post #6
I agree about thinking about wife, kids Etc if they haven't already got some.
I imagine some of them maybe in the bivvy at night thinking what am I doing.
They are not exactly the healthiest of people.
Back in the early 90s I used to fish Hawley Lake near Farnborough and there were a few full timers on there, nice bunch of blokes all either retired or divorced and all in need of a bath and a good night's sleep.
If someone wants to be full time I say good luck to them but it's not a lifestyle I would ever want.
If they take up a swim they pay the same as everyone else and if there's too many then fish some other water.
I agree about thinking about wife, kids Etc if they haven't already got some.
I imagine some of them maybe in the bivvy at night thinking what am I doing.
They are not exactly the healthiest of people.
Back in the early 90s I used to fish Hawley Lake near Farnborough and there were a few full timers on there, nice bunch of blokes all either retired or divorced and all in need of a bath and a good night's sleep.
If someone wants to be full time I say good luck to them but it's not a lifestyle I would ever want.
If they take up a swim they pay the same as everyone else and if there's too many then fish some other water.
In reply to Post #11
I take your point, originally I was curious to see if people had the same thoughts as I did, regarding the fact that there used to be a ‘code' that they went home at weekends and returned the following Monday and it seems that has gone.
The fish other water point isn't a valid one- most of the top waters have a few full timers on now don't they, as most club rules allow it by only stipulating how long you can stay in one particular swim. From experience It's hard to get on fish if 2 or 3 full timers are on a water.
I take your point, originally I was curious to see if people had the same thoughts as I did, regarding the fact that there used to be a ‘code' that they went home at weekends and returned the following Monday and it seems that has gone.
The fish other water point isn't a valid one- most of the top waters have a few full timers on now don't they, as most club rules allow it by only stipulating how long you can stay in one particular swim. From experience It's hard to get on fish if 2 or 3 full timers are on a water.
I do a weekday night after/before work and maybe one weekend a month. That keeps me out enough but I still have a buzz about getting out. Can't say I'm envious of full time anglers, if they want to sacrifice income/friends/family in the name of catching fish then fair play to them. I think I'd get pretty bored sitting on one lake for days on end personally.
We all had the option to take that lifestyle, no point getting bent out of shape that other people did.
We all had the option to take that lifestyle, no point getting bent out of shape that other people did.
In reply to Post #12
I fully understand what you are saying, I know one water that in the past was very well known that has 5 maybe 6
"Hot swims" that produce more than most and it was impossible to get on those swims until the depths of winter.
The thing is there's no Code people pay there money and if the rules do not state a time limit then they are doing nothing wrong.
Its a shame really as I feel people should be able to have more options where they fish, just some people don't think like that.
But like I say if they pay their money and stick to the rules they are doing nothing wrong.
I fully understand what you are saying, I know one water that in the past was very well known that has 5 maybe 6
"Hot swims" that produce more than most and it was impossible to get on those swims until the depths of winter.
The thing is there's no Code people pay there money and if the rules do not state a time limit then they are doing nothing wrong.
Its a shame really as I feel people should be able to have more options where they fish, just some people don't think like that.
But like I say if they pay their money and stick to the rules they are doing nothing wrong.
Interesting reading 
TBH I don't give a **** about full timers, **** em. That's their choice
Over the years I've seen a lot of goings on but one thing that really pisses me off, and this is where a good bailiff comes into it for me and fishery rules, is how they can leave people to rota on a 2 weekly basis so all the hot swims are taken up for the year
Is that why you pay your money?
You can do whatever you like but there has to be a bit of fair play for me and that's where good fishery management steps in. 3 days on and then you off for 24 hours or on another water for example, It just gets completely ****ing stupid for me
Good carp angler, my ****ing arse, what was it, two weeks on?, punishing ****
TBH I don't give a **** about full timers, **** em. That's their choice
Over the years I've seen a lot of goings on but one thing that really pisses me off, and this is where a good bailiff comes into it for me and fishery rules, is how they can leave people to rota on a 2 weekly basis so all the hot swims are taken up for the year
Is that why you pay your money?
You can do whatever you like but there has to be a bit of fair play for me and that's where good fishery management steps in. 3 days on and then you off for 24 hours or on another water for example, It just gets completely ****ing stupid for me
Good carp angler, my ****ing arse, what was it, two weeks on?, punishing ****
In reply to Post #12
I am not so sure that a "code" ever existed. I do not fish weekends as it is generally very busy and also less productive. If I were a "full timer" but had to leave the water to replenish stocks, collect the Dole, shower (optional) ... it makes sense to do it at the weekend.
I think your issue is more with the volume of participants of our favoured pastime, as it now busy on some waters all the time..
therefore finding a quieter water is an option.
I am not so sure that a "code" ever existed. I do not fish weekends as it is generally very busy and also less productive. If I were a "full timer" but had to leave the water to replenish stocks, collect the Dole, shower (optional) ... it makes sense to do it at the weekend.
I think your issue is more with the volume of participants of our favoured pastime, as it now busy on some waters all the time..
therefore finding a quieter water is an option.
In reply to Post #16
I distinctly remember it being a kind of unwritten rule- even as laney alluded too in his recent blogs on Horton, you pretty much weekended or fished in the week.
I guess it was water dependent, busy circuit waters may have followed the ethos more I suppose.
And the bailiff issue- there's a water near me in tonbridge that has its better swims pretty much rotated by full timers, week in, week out, in the spring it's a nightmare- as we all know, they can be a bit balled up before they spawn. Bailiff's don't get too involved with that one- they just let them be.
I do agree though that there is far too many people putting strain on the better waters- and the only ways it could be alleviated is to put time constraints on the bank tramps or stock more quality waters. One way seems a lot easier than the other to me.
I distinctly remember it being a kind of unwritten rule- even as laney alluded too in his recent blogs on Horton, you pretty much weekended or fished in the week.
I guess it was water dependent, busy circuit waters may have followed the ethos more I suppose.
And the bailiff issue- there's a water near me in tonbridge that has its better swims pretty much rotated by full timers, week in, week out, in the spring it's a nightmare- as we all know, they can be a bit balled up before they spawn. Bailiff's don't get too involved with that one- they just let them be.
I do agree though that there is far too many people putting strain on the better waters- and the only ways it could be alleviated is to put time constraints on the bank tramps or stock more quality waters. One way seems a lot easier than the other to me.
Had a ticket on a very nice syndicate which had its fair share of full timers. Most would fish midweek only then pull off Thursday night or Friday morning. Unfortunately if the fishing was good they would stay on through the weekend. A few weekend only anglers complained about all the good swims stitched up. . Eventually the owners put a 3 day on 4 day off rule. Full timers were pissed and threatened to leave. Because of the long waiting list the owners didn't care they just wanted a peaceful, pleasant atmosphere for members.
Changed the fishing and atmosphere dramatically. Even decided to go two rod instead of three. A great decision for the lake and members.
Changed the fishing and atmosphere dramatically. Even decided to go two rod instead of three. A great decision for the lake and members.
In reply to Post #17
If you think Dave Lane went home at weekends to allow the weekend chappies to catch or because of some unwritten rule, I'm afraid you are very mistaken.
If you think Dave Lane went home at weekends to allow the weekend chappies to catch or because of some unwritten rule, I'm afraid you are very mistaken.
In reply to Post #18
That's the one for me too. It's fair
That's the one for me too. It's fair
In reply to Post #19
Ok well aside from mr Lane- I can speak from personal experience of an unwritten rule on more than one so called circuit/ big fish venue.
Also the post regarding the 4 day on from hutchyfan feels fair to me too
Ok well aside from mr Lane- I can speak from personal experience of an unwritten rule on more than one so called circuit/ big fish venue.
Also the post regarding the 4 day on from hutchyfan feels fair to me too
No code ever existed and hot swims are for noddies.
In reply to Post #22
By hot swims you mean the swims that are currently holding fish or swims that get punished week in week out?
By hot swims you mean the swims that are currently holding fish or swims that get punished week in week out?
In reply to Post #23
The 2nd one
The 2nd one
In reply to Post #23
The so-called hot swims are generally ones where one or two big fish have come out in the past yet people sometimes forget fish swim anywhere they want, it maybe a spot with plenty of features an island, gravel, silt Etc.
It may just be the nearest swim to the car park, lazy bloke swim.
All lakes have spots that are fished more than others, but like I say fish go where they want.
The so-called hot swims are generally ones where one or two big fish have come out in the past yet people sometimes forget fish swim anywhere they want, it maybe a spot with plenty of features an island, gravel, silt Etc.
It may just be the nearest swim to the car park, lazy bloke swim.
All lakes have spots that are fished more than others, but like I say fish go where they want.
In reply to Post #25
That.
The best swim is where the kippers are
That.
The best swim is where the kippers are
I agree with both Yonny and Ken. If the ‘going swims' are tied up with people who can sit there for days to bore them out then so be it. These swims have lines all over them day in day out. How many times do you hear about the smarter angler slotting in the quieter swim and nicking a good fish in less than 24 hours?
It's boring angling fishing on known spots in known swims in my opinion, much rather go down the other end and nick one in the edge by putting in a bit more effort
It's boring angling fishing on known spots in known swims in my opinion, much rather go down the other end and nick one in the edge by putting in a bit more effort
In reply to Post #1
Main reason I prefer to fish lakes that don't allow night fishing, cuts down on the time bandits. Trouble is round my way this tends to equate to fishing for smaller fish.
I really am a morning person, nothing better than getting up early and arriving at an empty lake as the mist is rising
Main reason I prefer to fish lakes that don't allow night fishing, cuts down on the time bandits. Trouble is round my way this tends to equate to fishing for smaller fish.
I really am a morning person, nothing better than getting up early and arriving at an empty lake as the mist is rising
If full time fishing is what you want to do then crack on. Yes I do get jealous when I'm packing up at 6am but then I'm happy I have something to go home to, wife kids etc. If all you have in life is fishing it's probably not a great existence. Each to there own. If your happy crack on. Does make me laugh when someone says about him/her being a better angler then most catching most of the stock etc
Got nothing to do with spending half your life on the bank 😂
Got nothing to do with spending half your life on the bank 😂
In reply to Post #1
My sindicate allows 3 nights fishing 2 nights off the venue, theres other places to fish if you need to fish all week, seems to work well theres ways to flout rules of course but the main rule is dont be a d1ck or you wont get a ticket next year....
My sindicate allows 3 nights fishing 2 nights off the venue, theres other places to fish if you need to fish all week, seems to work well theres ways to flout rules of course but the main rule is dont be a d1ck or you wont get a ticket next year....
In reply to Post #1
Grafting all week then zooming up to your chosen heavenly lake only to find it stitched up by the same muppets week in week out is just heartbreaking.
Hence why I only fish rivers and abroad now.
Grafting all week then zooming up to your chosen heavenly lake only to find it stitched up by the same muppets week in week out is just heartbreaking.
Hence why I only fish rivers and abroad now.
In reply to Post #31
I've experienced that a few times over the years.
Different era now and there's far too many fame seekers stitching places up for me. Gone are the two or three night sessions, it's a week or two now. They camp on the water and watch everything what's going off, soon as somebody has a result there in there punishing it to death
Brings a whole new level to the word merit for me. Camping in a swim for two weeks at time aint cricket for me
A picture does not always tell the truth behind the capture
I've experienced that a few times over the years.
Different era now and there's far too many fame seekers stitching places up for me. Gone are the two or three night sessions, it's a week or two now. They camp on the water and watch everything what's going off, soon as somebody has a result there in there punishing it to death
Brings a whole new level to the word merit for me. Camping in a swim for two weeks at time aint cricket for me
A picture does not always tell the truth behind the capture
Reckon there may be a few more when this lockdown is over!
In reply to Post #32
Spot on, all they'd have to do is disappear on a Friday morning and there would be a happy balance. Anyway, don't suppose that's going to change until the companies pack the publicity bun fight in.
Spot on, all they'd have to do is disappear on a Friday morning and there would be a happy balance. Anyway, don't suppose that's going to change until the companies pack the publicity bun fight in.
In reply to Post #1
I live near the CWP and there are a number of lakes that have full timers on, these guys are homeless and don't always fish, they basically spend their time off there heads on drugs. I used to enjoy these lakes I don't bother anymore such a shame really.
I live near the CWP and there are a number of lakes that have full timers on, these guys are homeless and don't always fish, they basically spend their time off there heads on drugs. I used to enjoy these lakes I don't bother anymore such a shame really.
In reply to Post #35
Time limits on all waters is the only way in my opinion. 3 on 4 off........3 nights per week is more than enough for any man. Leave your swim to the next lucky fella and he will leave it for you! I have fished several waters with full timers on and although I firmly believe to live and let live, they ruined the waters for many other anglers. A man needs a real bed and the arms of a good woman 😂😂
Time limits on all waters is the only way in my opinion. 3 on 4 off........3 nights per week is more than enough for any man. Leave your swim to the next lucky fella and he will leave it for you! I have fished several waters with full timers on and although I firmly believe to live and let live, they ruined the waters for many other anglers. A man needs a real bed and the arms of a good woman 😂😂
Certainly agree and have experienced the same on a lot points Carpwill mentions.
Finding a river paradise somewhere, seems the only logical conclusion for avoiding any of this old silliness that appears to be happening on lakes nowadays.
Finding a river paradise somewhere, seems the only logical conclusion for avoiding any of this old silliness that appears to be happening on lakes nowadays.
In reply to Post #36
Have to agree with all you said here.
I have witnessed this on small club waters and the result is nothing but bad feelings and animosity amongst the members.
Swims tied up for weeks at a time by the same few anglers.
Have to agree with all you said here.
I have witnessed this on small club waters and the result is nothing but bad feelings and animosity amongst the members.
Swims tied up for weeks at a time by the same few anglers.
In reply to Post #38
Seems a common occurrence, my syndicate is the same. However, it ain't half good when you're catching and the "hot" swims aren't producing
Seems a common occurrence, my syndicate is the same. However, it ain't half good when you're catching and the "hot" swims aren't producing
In reply to Post #19
If you think Dave Lane went home at weekends to allow the weekend chappies to catch or because of some unwritten rule, I'm afraid you are very mistaken
I think you'll find that's exactly what he did apart from when he was on Wraysbury but then that was a small number of anglers fishing 120 acres, hardly an issue
If you think Dave Lane went home at weekends to allow the weekend chappies to catch or because of some unwritten rule, I'm afraid you are very mistaken
I think you'll find that's exactly what he did apart from when he was on Wraysbury but then that was a small number of anglers fishing 120 acres, hardly an issue
In reply to Post #37
Thats what some bloke did on the thames at and the poor ******* ended up catching a whacking great linear! That ended well!
Thats what some bloke did on the thames at and the poor ******* ended up catching a whacking great linear! That ended well!
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