I caught my 1st French carp on a Nash scopex squid with livers
In reply to Post #26
I really hope not, but having had experience of similar professionally too many times over the years - it sure sounds like its cutting off the highly infected limb to save a body that is also struggling.
If Nash Tackle was healthy they may have kept the bait arm running even for sentimental reasons but at a loss and brought in some turn-around measures.
Real shame. Hope the rest of the business will be well.
Not just fishing, so many hobby/pastime/leisure industries are struggling and shops and brands closing every month.
unfortunately with the "hobby/pastime" boom that happened through covid and its recovery caused businesses to over-extend and assume that the boom was going to go on forever.
The cycling industry is shagged. All those bikes that were being bought during covid - shops and brands got order happy & committed to huge orders years in advance (not helped by the logistics issues and huge wait times) and now the leisure market demand has dropped off a cliff or industries have been saturated with over supply from newcomers - brands and shops are struggling to meet these commitments and are going under.
Several classic cycling brands have gone under the last few years. Massive shame for all involved.
I really hope not, but having had experience of similar professionally too many times over the years - it sure sounds like its cutting off the highly infected limb to save a body that is also struggling.
If Nash Tackle was healthy they may have kept the bait arm running even for sentimental reasons but at a loss and brought in some turn-around measures.
Real shame. Hope the rest of the business will be well.
Not just fishing, so many hobby/pastime/leisure industries are struggling and shops and brands closing every month.
unfortunately with the "hobby/pastime" boom that happened through covid and its recovery caused businesses to over-extend and assume that the boom was going to go on forever.
The cycling industry is shagged. All those bikes that were being bought during covid - shops and brands got order happy & committed to huge orders years in advance (not helped by the logistics issues and huge wait times) and now the leisure market demand has dropped off a cliff or industries have been saturated with over supply from newcomers - brands and shops are struggling to meet these commitments and are going under.
Several classic cycling brands have gone under the last few years. Massive shame for all involved.
Didn't John timmerman move to nash from cc Moore in the last year or so?
In reply to Post #32
If Nash have indeed got a state of the art production facility, perhaps it will be taken over by another firm. As for firms in the leisure industry in general going broke, it's hardly surprising given the state of the country and people generally getting poorer. There will always be a few rich people who can afford whatever they want. Most people have to prioritise their expenditure. I think angling in general will see a reduction in spending over the next few years.
If Nash have indeed got a state of the art production facility, perhaps it will be taken over by another firm. As for firms in the leisure industry in general going broke, it's hardly surprising given the state of the country and people generally getting poorer. There will always be a few rich people who can afford whatever they want. Most people have to prioritise their expenditure. I think angling in general will see a reduction in spending over the next few years.
In reply to Post #29
Error from my side
Error from my side
Got a litre of scoped squid red liquid
Might hang onto it
Might hang onto it
In reply to Post #32
A lot of those businesses got greedy and are paying the price now. Not much sympathy here.
A lot of those businesses got greedy and are paying the price now. Not much sympathy here.
In reply to Post #37
I was really surprised by this today as I know they had invested heavily in recent years.
I'm sure that all of the truth as to why it's closing will all come out one day but it just shows you that bait making on an industrial scale is a gamble.
Nash once had the whole bait trade in its pocket. I always had a little insight into its workings and it blew me away how vast the whole set up was. They also had one or two incredible things in the range.
We as anglers are changing and how we shop is now changing bait companies fortunes.
There will always be people who rise and fall in the fishing world and tackle shops are falling fast!
One of my good mates has put his heart and soul into Nash and i hope that he starts again.
I was really surprised by this today as I know they had invested heavily in recent years.
I'm sure that all of the truth as to why it's closing will all come out one day but it just shows you that bait making on an industrial scale is a gamble.
Nash once had the whole bait trade in its pocket. I always had a little insight into its workings and it blew me away how vast the whole set up was. They also had one or two incredible things in the range.
We as anglers are changing and how we shop is now changing bait companies fortunes.
There will always be people who rise and fall in the fishing world and tackle shops are falling fast!
One of my good mates has put his heart and soul into Nash and i hope that he starts again.
In reply to Post #38
Nash invested off the back of unsustainable Covid money, when every man and his dog bought a kilo of bait and called himself a carp angler.
Have a look at there 2023 accounts it's makes terrible reading!
I really hope that cutting the bait arm off saves the business as they do make a great bivvy.
Nash invested off the back of unsustainable Covid money, when every man and his dog bought a kilo of bait and called himself a carp angler.
Have a look at there 2023 accounts it's makes terrible reading!
I really hope that cutting the bait arm off saves the business as they do make a great bivvy.
I'm sorry to see it go even if I haven't ever really used it other than the odd flavour and the white buckets of Euroboilies from the 90's, crikey did we get through some of that!!!
I watched a Nash vid a few months ago, a return somewhere a few days after filming, maybe horseshoe...in any case the bloke had it right off. I sat there totting up the bait value of his 48hr session and it was well over £100 (can't rem how much). My 1st reaction was
who in their right mind would afford that (not could), but after a while I wondered what cost that equated to per fish, and was it so bad...hmm*
In any case the likes of DNA etc now sellling shelfies considerably cheaper can't have helped, perhaps Nash thought the brand was strong enough...who knows. If this will be a continued trend I wonder how Dynamite will get on, hopefully a lot better.
*I'm not insinuating just the bait caught the fish, good angling obv came into play.
I watched a Nash vid a few months ago, a return somewhere a few days after filming, maybe horseshoe...in any case the bloke had it right off. I sat there totting up the bait value of his 48hr session and it was well over £100 (can't rem how much). My 1st reaction was
who in their right mind would afford that (not could), but after a while I wondered what cost that equated to per fish, and was it so bad...hmm*In any case the likes of DNA etc now sellling shelfies considerably cheaper can't have helped, perhaps Nash thought the brand was strong enough...who knows. If this will be a continued trend I wonder how Dynamite will get on, hopefully a lot better.
*I'm not insinuating just the bait caught the fish, good angling obv came into play.
Let's just hope the boys and girls at the factory get new jobs soon whether in or out of the industry.
There are real families being affected by this news.
Unfortunately bait is a cut throat business in a race to the bottom.
People spend 1000£ on items of tackle ON the bank but only want to pay 4£ a kilo for something that does actually make a difference.(just generally not nash in particular)
There are real families being affected by this news.
Unfortunately bait is a cut throat business in a race to the bottom.
People spend 1000£ on items of tackle ON the bank but only want to pay 4£ a kilo for something that does actually make a difference.(just generally not nash in particular)
Alan Blair in his statement said Nash bait was just not profitable no more... I'm not so sure.. From what I mentioned in a previous is that they were experiencing some cash flow problems. Looks like a move to free up a bit of money to me.. but what do I know.. 
But like in any business when a company goes south.. its the employee's that suffer. Bye the sound of there set up they don't have a small workforce. Hopefully some can be relocated in other areas of the business. But if its a cost saving exercise there's going to be a lot of people out of work..
But like in any business when a company goes south.. its the employee's that suffer. Bye the sound of there set up they don't have a small workforce. Hopefully some can be relocated in other areas of the business. But if its a cost saving exercise there's going to be a lot of people out of work..
I was hoping for a return of The Key. Best bait I've used up until now.
What a shame, fished with nash bait quite a lot and they had some excellent baits. Weirdest i can remember was micro mass, still don't know what it was or how it was made.
My thoughts though, why not go direct? Yeah, i know the trade etc, but it would be the sensible thing to do, with a lot of extra customers especially if they could pull it off all over europe. It's still an extremely strong brand. Sad stuff.
My thoughts though, why not go direct? Yeah, i know the trade etc, but it would be the sensible thing to do, with a lot of extra customers especially if they could pull it off all over europe. It's still an extremely strong brand. Sad stuff.
In reply to Post #44
Firstly its a massive shame to see them stop. I think it will return at some point in another guise but lets see what the future brings. I haven't used a lot of there bait over the years but it did catch me my first 40 many years ago.
Secondly i think its been on the cards for a long time, They segmented it away from the business and split into Nash Bait and Nash Tackle a few years ago... usually a sign that one is significantly stronger then the other. Then they went big on investment with the new kit, looking back most likely a push to drop fixed costs withing the manufacturing process to enable stronger margins. Then the product range has been all over the place for a good while with no consistent solid bait (scope squid was and is a great bait but was never a mainstay over the years). Then in the last few years a drastic reduction in the range a nod to what Alan said in terms of cutting overhead costs. The above coupled with inflation & competition would have been a big strain on cash flow.
What i did find notable in his speech was that he said ingredients were imported and that the vast majority of the bait was exported back to the EU, which in turn was adding loads of extra cost. Suggesting that the UK customer based has severely diminished, which for me means they have overlooked those who served them the most in the past (I know of several people who have bought and sold huge quantities from Gary & Nash who had the door shut in there face over recent years.)
All in all a shame, and i think its a wait and see what happens to the wider business now... there seems to have been a fair few who have left the tackle side in recent times , so hopefully they are lean enough to sustain the buisness
Firstly its a massive shame to see them stop. I think it will return at some point in another guise but lets see what the future brings. I haven't used a lot of there bait over the years but it did catch me my first 40 many years ago.
Secondly i think its been on the cards for a long time, They segmented it away from the business and split into Nash Bait and Nash Tackle a few years ago... usually a sign that one is significantly stronger then the other. Then they went big on investment with the new kit, looking back most likely a push to drop fixed costs withing the manufacturing process to enable stronger margins. Then the product range has been all over the place for a good while with no consistent solid bait (scope squid was and is a great bait but was never a mainstay over the years). Then in the last few years a drastic reduction in the range a nod to what Alan said in terms of cutting overhead costs. The above coupled with inflation & competition would have been a big strain on cash flow.
What i did find notable in his speech was that he said ingredients were imported and that the vast majority of the bait was exported back to the EU, which in turn was adding loads of extra cost. Suggesting that the UK customer based has severely diminished, which for me means they have overlooked those who served them the most in the past (I know of several people who have bought and sold huge quantities from Gary & Nash who had the door shut in there face over recent years.)
All in all a shame, and i think its a wait and see what happens to the wider business now... there seems to have been a fair few who have left the tackle side in recent times , so hopefully they are lean enough to sustain the buisness