I've used GR60 for ever and never really had an issue with it once it's bedded in.
Thing is I fish a lot less these days and it's not settling on my spools, so every time I go fishing it is wirey and I've had to deal with a few birds nests on the bank which is a royal pain in the ass.
What options are there for a better behaved line that won't turn into a nightmare if it isn't used for a few weeks between trips?
Braided mainline not permitted on the waters I fish.
Cheers
Thing is I fish a lot less these days and it's not settling on my spools, so every time I go fishing it is wirey and I've had to deal with a few birds nests on the bank which is a royal pain in the ass.
What options are there for a better behaved line that won't turn into a nightmare if it isn't used for a few weeks between trips?
Braided mainline not permitted on the waters I fish.
Cheers
In reply to Post #1
PB control is very limp. Gains very little memory and easily straightens back. Use 24lb. Its low diameter.
PB control is very limp. Gains very little memory and easily straightens back. Use 24lb. Its low diameter.
Put a sweat band soaked in warm water over your spools when you pack your gear to leave. Does wonders for nylon.
As Beyonce says wet your line. It's one of the first things I do when I get to the lake (after setting up my net for good luck).
I haven't found a line yet that doesn't go wirey, some are worse than others though.
I haven't found a line yet that doesn't go wirey, some are worse than others though.
Thanks re the old wristband trick, but I think I'm done with GR60
In 20 odd years, I've never had a birdsnest to deal with on the bank, then two in the last couple of trips which with bad eyes was a real faff to sort.
So sadly it's time for a change.
In 20 odd years, I've never had a birdsnest to deal with on the bank, then two in the last couple of trips which with bad eyes was a real faff to sort.
So sadly it's time for a change.
I've been using GT-HD the past several weeks without any dramas.
In reply to Post #1
Have you started using lighter leads? Ive found that causes bother as it doesnt bed in as well on the spool
Have you started using lighter leads? Ive found that causes bother as it doesnt bed in as well on the spool
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I haven't mate, always been 2.5oz or a 4oz zip when I I'm feeling a bit Terry Edmunds and wanna cast at a showing fish on the horizon
In the very old days I used to use Krystonite, honestly no idea how that compares to todays 'technology' but I don't think I ever had much trouble with it, so I am wondering if a pure fluro or coated fluro like Krystonite (much cheaper) would play nicer than just chosing another mono unless there was a clear winner
I haven't mate, always been 2.5oz or a 4oz zip when I I'm feeling a bit Terry Edmunds and wanna cast at a showing fish on the horizon
In the very old days I used to use Krystonite, honestly no idea how that compares to todays 'technology' but I don't think I ever had much trouble with it, so I am wondering if a pure fluro or coated fluro like Krystonite (much cheaper) would play nicer than just chosing another mono unless there was a clear winner
In reply to Post #8
If you can't get on with GR60 you will probably hate fluoro!
If you really want to change (GR60 is a really good line) then I rate Korda Touchdown if I have to use mono.
If you can't get on with GR60 you will probably hate fluoro!
If you really want to change (GR60 is a really good line) then I rate Korda Touchdown if I have to use mono.
In reply to Post #8
absolutely not!
Fluoro will kick you in the balls the second you arent' looking.
Great line but you have to carry out your admin on it and it definitely carries more memory and birds nest potential vs mono.
I've tried the Thinking Anglers fluoro this season, its better than most but still a PITA when you aren't careful.
I'd go for one of the pre-stretched monos' in a low diameter if you want to avoid the memory. I;ve never had any issue with the Korda Touchdown too
absolutely not!
Fluoro will kick you in the balls the second you arent' looking.
Great line but you have to carry out your admin on it and it definitely carries more memory and birds nest potential vs mono.
I've tried the Thinking Anglers fluoro this season, its better than most but still a PITA when you aren't careful.
I'd go for one of the pre-stretched monos' in a low diameter if you want to avoid the memory. I;ve never had any issue with the Korda Touchdown too
In reply to Post #1
PB Hybron behaves / is limp - and sinks incredibly well . . .the only thing it will hurt is your pockets!
PB Hybron behaves / is limp - and sinks incredibly well . . .the only thing it will hurt is your pockets!
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+1 for GTHD. I've been using it pretty much since it came out. I've had no dramas that I can think of at all
+1 for GTHD. I've been using it pretty much since it came out. I've had no dramas that I can think of at all
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What he said , ive used it this year not a long term user but had no issues with it I bought the 15 lb first then upped it to 18 lb and im really pleased with it. 18 lb feels strong as tow rope. very good impressions of it so far.
What he said , ive used it this year not a long term user but had no issues with it I bought the 15 lb first then upped it to 18 lb and im really pleased with it. 18 lb feels strong as tow rope. very good impressions of it so far.
If you are looking for a line that behaves impeccably on the spool, GTHD is 100% the best that I have seen. It's amazing. As previous poster stated go for the 15lb or 18lb. Admittedly I've not seen some of the others being mentioned here. But in terms of the stuff I have seen or used, GTHD is definitely the best in terms of limpness & behaving impeccably on the spool.
Syncro has always been absolute crap from what I have seen personally. I will never forget me & my mate Jake being on the Thames a decade ago. Him trying to cast 30 yards with a 3oz lead to a wall of a garden opposite where we were fishing to get a clip mark. First ten casts did not land perfect so were reeled in.
Every single time he had to cut the mono and re tie. The line was pig tailing so very badly for a six inch length, exactly where it went through the tip ring on the cast. It was brand new line. I have never seen anything even remotely similar from any mono ever before. It was an absolute joke. The cast was thirty yards maximum, likely more like twenty to twenty five yards. It was a gentle lob with a 3oz lead. This was still enough to make it coil up & pig tail so badly that it was unreal for a very short length. It was definitely being caused by the minimal pressure on the cast, exactly where the line was sitting through the tip ring. There was zero damage to the tip ring.
He pulled it all off instantly & replaced it with 20lb Hydro-Tuff. He still had the same line on three years later.
He said he had previously used Syncro with no problems since its release. But whatever was wrong with that stuff he had on the reels that day, it was horrific. It was not loaded on incorrectly. It behaved normally apart from what is described above. I can only imagine if he had actually landed a fish with that mono, what it would have looked like afterwards.
ESP make superb bombproof kit. So heaven only knows what was wrong with that spool. This was in 2015.
Syncro has always been absolute crap from what I have seen personally. I will never forget me & my mate Jake being on the Thames a decade ago. Him trying to cast 30 yards with a 3oz lead to a wall of a garden opposite where we were fishing to get a clip mark. First ten casts did not land perfect so were reeled in.
Every single time he had to cut the mono and re tie. The line was pig tailing so very badly for a six inch length, exactly where it went through the tip ring on the cast. It was brand new line. I have never seen anything even remotely similar from any mono ever before. It was an absolute joke. The cast was thirty yards maximum, likely more like twenty to twenty five yards. It was a gentle lob with a 3oz lead. This was still enough to make it coil up & pig tail so badly that it was unreal for a very short length. It was definitely being caused by the minimal pressure on the cast, exactly where the line was sitting through the tip ring. There was zero damage to the tip ring.
He pulled it all off instantly & replaced it with 20lb Hydro-Tuff. He still had the same line on three years later.
He said he had previously used Syncro with no problems since its release. But whatever was wrong with that stuff he had on the reels that day, it was horrific. It was not loaded on incorrectly. It behaved normally apart from what is described above. I can only imagine if he had actually landed a fish with that mono, what it would have looked like afterwards.
ESP make superb bombproof kit. So heaven only knows what was wrong with that spool. This was in 2015.
It's quite a low diameter so the 18 @ 0.39 would probably be ideal for most. It's a very good sinker with minimal stretch which is perfect for me. It's also very difficult to see once submerged which is a nice bonus.
My mate recommended 18lb GTHD to me after I had a nightmare with 15lb syncro. Used syncro for years but the last 2 spools have really put me off. The GTHD has been brilliant so far. Went on the reels perfect and no twist at all, can't believe how limp it is for an 18lb line. First impressions are great and il be sticking with it for now 👍
I appreciate all your responses.
I've been a massive advocate of GR60 for a long time and never even thought to change. But like I've said I'm not fishing anywhere near as much these days (no 'campaigns') so my time on the bank is more precious now so I'll certainly take a look at the recommendations and keep away from Fluoro 😂.
I've been a massive advocate of GR60 for a long time and never even thought to change. But like I've said I'm not fishing anywhere near as much these days (no 'campaigns') so my time on the bank is more precious now so I'll certainly take a look at the recommendations and keep away from Fluoro 😂.
In reply to Post #16
Has it improved your casts?
One thing that shocked me when it was being tested was how much further I could cast with it. I've always been a good caster, but this line added distance onto my longest casts, even using the 18lb.
It's such a good mono. That's from someone who will always use fluorocarbon or braid whenever possible. Even after I was no longer with Gardner, I sourced loads of spools of GTHD for the future. Can never have to much of an exceptional product.
There must be something going on during the manufacturing by the people who actually make the Syncro. Always hear the same thing. People say it's bomb proof, then get a spool or two that go completely against those thoughts.
Has it improved your casts?
One thing that shocked me when it was being tested was how much further I could cast with it. I've always been a good caster, but this line added distance onto my longest casts, even using the 18lb.
It's such a good mono. That's from someone who will always use fluorocarbon or braid whenever possible. Even after I was no longer with Gardner, I sourced loads of spools of GTHD for the future. Can never have to much of an exceptional product.
There must be something going on during the manufacturing by the people who actually make the Syncro. Always hear the same thing. People say it's bomb proof, then get a spool or two that go completely against those thoughts.
In reply to Post #18
I asked in a tackle shop the other day and ESP have changed something in the processing of syncro.They were told that by their ESP rep,looks like gthd is the one im on next
I asked in a tackle shop the other day and ESP have changed something in the processing of syncro.They were told that by their ESP rep,looks like gthd is the one im on next
In reply to Post #19
What i described was definitely 2015. I even double checked on a date stamp from a photo from that trip. It had only been released for a couple of years or so at that point.
So whatever is going on, it's been happening for at least a decade.That's clearly why they keep releasing different versions of it.
They need to change whoever it is manufacturing their lines IMO Bradders. They have such an incredible reputation. Stuff like this is not good for that. Something is clearly going wrong with certain batches/spools.
What i described was definitely 2015. I even double checked on a date stamp from a photo from that trip. It had only been released for a couple of years or so at that point.
So whatever is going on, it's been happening for at least a decade.That's clearly why they keep releasing different versions of it.
They need to change whoever it is manufacturing their lines IMO Bradders. They have such an incredible reputation. Stuff like this is not good for that. Something is clearly going wrong with certain batches/spools.
In reply to Post #18
Yes it definitely has ! It just seems a lot smoother and more supple. The last lot of syncro just seemed abit wiry and hard if you get me, but yeah the GTHD has really surprised me, I seen quite a few mixed reviews on the 15lb so I was abit dubious at first but yeah my mate assured me so I got the 18lb and first few trips it's behaved really well so far 👍 one thing with the syncro is that it held up really well in weedy conditions so hopefully this GTHD passes that test, if it does then I might have found myself a new long term mono.
Yes it definitely has ! It just seems a lot smoother and more supple. The last lot of syncro just seemed abit wiry and hard if you get me, but yeah the GTHD has really surprised me, I seen quite a few mixed reviews on the 15lb so I was abit dubious at first but yeah my mate assured me so I got the 18lb and first few trips it's behaved really well so far 👍 one thing with the syncro is that it held up really well in weedy conditions so hopefully this GTHD passes that test, if it does then I might have found myself a new long term mono.
In reply to Post #21
Yeah it's a pre stretched mono. Always best to step up slightly. If you normally use 12lb mono, the 15lb is what you want. If you normally use 15lb, the 18lb in GTHD is what you want.
I was using it on the river Thames in 18lb. 6-7-8oz leads, often with big stringers. That puts incredible strains on any mono..... Weak mono does not stand up to it whatsoever over a period of time. The GTHD did.
I was absolutely sold on Hydro-Tuff. I thought I would never use any other mono. Until I was given unmarked spools of GTHD. It really is an incredible monofilament. Lasts on the spools too, does not become hard & wiry like some other excellent monos do after a few months on the spool.
Yeah it's a pre stretched mono. Always best to step up slightly. If you normally use 12lb mono, the 15lb is what you want. If you normally use 15lb, the 18lb in GTHD is what you want.
I was using it on the river Thames in 18lb. 6-7-8oz leads, often with big stringers. That puts incredible strains on any mono..... Weak mono does not stand up to it whatsoever over a period of time. The GTHD did.
I was absolutely sold on Hydro-Tuff. I thought I would never use any other mono. Until I was given unmarked spools of GTHD. It really is an incredible monofilament. Lasts on the spools too, does not become hard & wiry like some other excellent monos do after a few months on the spool.
In reply to Post #22
Sounds perfect to me mate 👍 il definitely be giving it a good test this season anyway but first impressions are very good indeed !
Sounds perfect to me mate 👍 il definitely be giving it a good test this season anyway but first impressions are very good indeed !
If your not Fishing mega long range I suggest good old Berkley Big Game, its as tough as old boots, and casts reasonably well. My main water is pretty weedy, I was using ESP Syncro in 18lb but had a couple of breaks/cut offs, changed to TA line which I though was a step backwards and put 20lb BS big game on and have had no issues since (touch wood!).
Line is a personal choice ( hooks as well) when you find the right one stick to it and prey the manufacturers don't change it!
Michael
Line is a personal choice ( hooks as well) when you find the right one stick to it and prey the manufacturers don't change it!
Michael
I have esp syncro xt 18lb on my mono spools and it's been great.
I have a spare spool of it, bought at the same time so all being well it should be fine.
Big game will never let you down, slightly stretchy but tough.
Not had an opportunity to check out the gthd but will consider it when the time comes.
I have a spare spool of it, bought at the same time so all being well it should be fine.
Big game will never let you down, slightly stretchy but tough.
Not had an opportunity to check out the gthd but will consider it when the time comes.
I also use Big Game still. It's what I use as a long leader (50m) when boat fishing at range with braid. Use the 25lb (breaks at 40lb+) in dark green which is absolutely bomb proof, sinks like a brick & blends in with Canadian pond weed a treat. It's lovely & stretchy too which is exactly what I want when it's on the end of 600m of braid.
Big Game went out of fashion. But it's still one of the very toughest mono lines around. You would like Hydro-Tuff as well Riggy if you like Big Game. It's not quite as stretchy as BG, but it does have very similar qualities. Only goes up to 20lb though.
Big Game went out of fashion. But it's still one of the very toughest mono lines around. You would like Hydro-Tuff as well Riggy if you like Big Game. It's not quite as stretchy as BG, but it does have very similar qualities. Only goes up to 20lb though.
In reply to Post #26
Thanks for the info
I'll have a look next time I'm in the tackle shop.
Michael
Thanks for the info
I'll have a look next time I'm in the tackle shop.Michael
In reply to Post #1
Gardner GT80+ Green . Spools lovely, casts a dream, sinks very well and very strong. Can not fault it.
Gardner GT80+ Green . Spools lovely, casts a dream, sinks very well and very strong. Can not fault it.
Went to shop after work today and picked up the 18lb gt hd,will get it on the reels tomorrow.I hope it's as good as the feedback.
Yeah, I've picked up a spool of 15lb gthd to give a go too.
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In reply to Post #30
GTHD in 15 is the best casting line that I have ever used. It behaves beautifully and is an excellent all round line. That being said, it is not the toughest of line, hence why it behaves so well! I have changed over to the 18 and it is noticeably stronger than the 15. It also casts extremely well, if not quite as well as the 15.
GTHD in 15 is the best casting line that I have ever used. It behaves beautifully and is an excellent all round line. That being said, it is not the toughest of line, hence why it behaves so well! I have changed over to the 18 and it is noticeably stronger than the 15. It also casts extremely well, if not quite as well as the 15.
Funny how suddenly opinions change. I wonder how much of opinion is confirmation bias. Unless the production plant or feed ingredients change why should the line change. As Dudley Moore used to say " Funny Pete, Funny".
In reply to Post #32
Esp have changed something in the manufacturing process apparently
Esp have changed something in the manufacturing process apparently
In reply to Post #32
Not entirely sure what you're getting at Mark. My personal experience viewed with my own eyes were a decade ago. The angler involved is one of the best I've ever known. The things that numerous other people have written in this thread and plenty of other threads long before tie in exactly with what I've seen with my own eyes.
People's experiences, are people's experiences. You honestly think that people are going to lie about that to ‘join in' if that is what you're getting at? That's just strange.
Plenty of people have had the same experience with exactly the same product. It can be bomb proof for some. Then suddenly a new spool of the same line goes horribly wrong. That is clearly something going wrong during manufacturing. It can't be anything else. It's been happening for a long time too. The companies don't manufacture the lines. So it's no slight on the company involved. It's a slight on who ever is manufacturing it. ESP have no way of knowing that a sealed spool is a duff one. No way whatsoever.
Not entirely sure what you're getting at Mark. My personal experience viewed with my own eyes were a decade ago. The angler involved is one of the best I've ever known. The things that numerous other people have written in this thread and plenty of other threads long before tie in exactly with what I've seen with my own eyes.
People's experiences, are people's experiences. You honestly think that people are going to lie about that to ‘join in' if that is what you're getting at? That's just strange.
Plenty of people have had the same experience with exactly the same product. It can be bomb proof for some. Then suddenly a new spool of the same line goes horribly wrong. That is clearly something going wrong during manufacturing. It can't be anything else. It's been happening for a long time too. The companies don't manufacture the lines. So it's no slight on the company involved. It's a slight on who ever is manufacturing it. ESP have no way of knowing that a sealed spool is a duff one. No way whatsoever.
In reply to Post #34
I did say " unless the manufacturing plant or feed process has changed" in which case the supplier is knowingly selling a different material. Or has been duped by the OEM. Either way the wholesalers should admit to the purchaser that the product has significantly changed. I'm sure you would do so.
I did say " unless the manufacturing plant or feed process has changed" in which case the supplier is knowingly selling a different material. Or has been duped by the OEM. Either way the wholesalers should admit to the purchaser that the product has significantly changed. I'm sure you would do so.
In reply to Post #35
Yes mate but you also wrote...
“Funny how suddenly opinions change. I wonder how much of opinion is confirmation bias”
What I saw with my own eyes was a monofilament that could not deal with any kind of stress whatsoever. A gentle lob with a 3oz lead was enough to make it pig tail & coil up in the most terrible fashion. Something was not right with that line. That happened during manufacturing. Something was not in the monofilament clearly that should have been for that to be happening. It had no structural strength whatsoever. Whatever was happening during the manufacture of that particular spool, something was going badly wrong for that to happen. Other people have had terrible experiences with the same product pig tailing and ending up in a complete mess. That ties in exactly with what I've seen with my own eyes.
Yes mate but you also wrote...
“Funny how suddenly opinions change. I wonder how much of opinion is confirmation bias”
What I saw with my own eyes was a monofilament that could not deal with any kind of stress whatsoever. A gentle lob with a 3oz lead was enough to make it pig tail & coil up in the most terrible fashion. Something was not right with that line. That happened during manufacturing. Something was not in the monofilament clearly that should have been for that to be happening. It had no structural strength whatsoever. Whatever was happening during the manufacture of that particular spool, something was going badly wrong for that to happen. Other people have had terrible experiences with the same product pig tailing and ending up in a complete mess. That ties in exactly with what I've seen with my own eyes.
In reply to Post #35
Mark, you won some hook baits off us in a random comp a few weeks back, but never claimed your prize.
Go check out the SHB thread & go back a few weeks. You will see. Then contact me if you want them, you were one of a number of winners, but did not hear from you
Mark, you won some hook baits off us in a random comp a few weeks back, but never claimed your prize.
Go check out the SHB thread & go back a few weeks. You will see. Then contact me if you want them, you were one of a number of winners, but did not hear from you
Put the 18lb gthd on my reels today and im very impressed,went on the reels lovely and limp.Im not on bank until Friday 13th,hope thats not a bad omen 
In reply to Post #38
What you see already, is what you get & have already found Braders.
Every now & then reel in through a bit of wet kitchen towel to remove algae & sediment which builds up on any line after a few months of use. Avoid pulling loads of line off the clutch which twists the line up.
That limpness and well behaved line you have there, will always remain that way.
What you see already, is what you get & have already found Braders.
Every now & then reel in through a bit of wet kitchen towel to remove algae & sediment which builds up on any line after a few months of use. Avoid pulling loads of line off the clutch which twists the line up.
That limpness and well behaved line you have there, will always remain that way.
In reply to Post #39
That will do for me,just hope it sinks well
That will do for me,just hope it sinks well
In reply to Post #40
It does.
It does.
In reply to Post #41
Looks like I've found my new line
Looks like I've found my new line
In reply to Post #32
I haven't got a clue if the line changed or not, as I'd never used to before. What I do know is that the spool of Synchro XT I bought was absolutely horrible. Rough, jumping off the spool, twisting. Wouldn't settle on the reels at all. Binned it.
I haven't got a clue if the line changed or not, as I'd never used to before. What I do know is that the spool of Synchro XT I bought was absolutely horrible. Rough, jumping off the spool, twisting. Wouldn't settle on the reels at all. Binned it.
In reply to Post #42
looking at respooling with gthd next myself, not sure its a good idea putting 18lb 0.39 on my castizms though , 18lb line is what the lake i fish now requires after some rule changes
looking at respooling with gthd next myself, not sure its a good idea putting 18lb 0.39 on my castizms though , 18lb line is what the lake i fish now requires after some rule changes
In reply to Post #44
Castizms have a pretty big diameter spool so will be fine.
Castizms have a pretty big diameter spool so will be fine.
Another vote for the GT-HD a mate put me onto it after I complained about my old mainline.
Coming back on this nearly 2 months later.
Been using 15lb GTHD and compared to the 12lb GR60 I've used literally for decades (😂
, it's another level, good knot strength, abrasive enough for me and lovely and soft so behaves really well 👍
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction Mark and the rest of ya 👍
Been using 15lb GTHD and compared to the 12lb GR60 I've used literally for decades (😂
, it's another level, good knot strength, abrasive enough for me and lovely and soft so behaves really well 👍Thanks for pointing me in the right direction Mark and the rest of ya 👍
In reply to Post #47
Does it sink ok in the 15lb only reason l ask is most of my fishing is close in up to maybe 50yards tops and always used fluorocarbon but as everyone knows it can be hard work so been looking at changing to mono.many thanks
Does it sink ok in the 15lb only reason l ask is most of my fishing is close in up to maybe 50yards tops and always used fluorocarbon but as everyone knows it can be hard work so been looking at changing to mono.many thanks
In reply to Post #48
Not like Fluoro, but with the tips dropped before setting the rods down, it has been good enough for me 👍
Not like Fluoro, but with the tips dropped before setting the rods down, it has been good enough for me 👍
How is everyone spooling up ? Even Gardner can't make up their mind. There is a video with Matt Eaton showing the the line coming off a rotating spool with a spindle through the middle and there is also a video of Lewis Read with it coming off the face of the spool. This shows line twist, so he turns the spool upside down and carries on. It's no wonder a lot of people get confused regarding spooling up 🤔.
In reply to Post #50
I did it the way lew Lew suggested in a bucket leads on top and wind. Worked on two sets.of reels without any drama or twist👍
I did it the way lew Lew suggested in a bucket leads on top and wind. Worked on two sets.of reels without any drama or twist👍
In reply to Post #50
You've just opened a can of worms..
IMO a rotating spool with a spindle every time.
You've just opened a can of worms..
IMO a rotating spool with a spindle every time.
In reply to Post #52
Absolutely agree.
Hand loop a hose pipe up then lay it flat on the ground. Now grab one end and walk backwards. The twist is unreal.
Now put the hose on a revolving spool. Wind it on the spool then pull it off the spool. Twist is minimum.
Absolutely agree.
Hand loop a hose pipe up then lay it flat on the ground. Now grab one end and walk backwards. The twist is unreal.
Now put the hose on a revolving spool. Wind it on the spool then pull it off the spool. Twist is minimum.
In reply to Post #53
But, then you loop it back onto a reel... can of worms..
But, then you loop it back onto a reel... can of worms..
In reply to Post #54
You've just given me an idea ! In the factory, bulk spools are loaded onto a revolving spool. So, has anyone ever tried loading their reel spools in the same way ? You'd need an improvised spindle for the reel spool to attach to a drill or similar. Admittedly, line lay would initially be awful, but maybe that could be remedied by walking out and then reeling in so effectively looping off / looping on.
You've just given me an idea ! In the factory, bulk spools are loaded onto a revolving spool. So, has anyone ever tried loading their reel spools in the same way ? You'd need an improvised spindle for the reel spool to attach to a drill or similar. Admittedly, line lay would initially be awful, but maybe that could be remedied by walking out and then reeling in so effectively looping off / looping on.
In reply to Post #50
You will tell straight away if its twisting. Wind a bit in stop let line hang down and if it twists turn spool the other way round but if it stays straight and limp keep winding.
You will tell straight away if its twisting. Wind a bit in stop let line hang down and if it twists turn spool the other way round but if it stays straight and limp keep winding.
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