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Claiming fish on other people rods ? (77 posts / 6,553 views)
chopper chopper
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Post #1 5 Mar 2022 17:47
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I was having a discussion with a mate about claiming a fish on other people's rods. As a few months ago my brother had to pop home for about 2 hours or so. I looked after his rod's while he was away. If I hadn't of looked after them he would of had to pack his stuff away load it back in the car. Then go and do his stuff. Then come back the lake and set back up and possibly not get back in same swim. Anyway I had a half decent fish on his rods. Now in the past my brother has looked after my rods and claimed fish on them. So can I claim the fish I had on his rods ? Are mate recons I can't as I didn't cast the rod out and so on. What's your guys thorts
Lakesidecamper
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Post #2 5 Mar 2022 17:53
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Your brother should be greatful you saved his spot and karma rewarded you for your effort and consideration to rod sit. It is what it is no league table positions or sponsorship deals were effected enjoy the experience 😉
chopper chopper
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Post #3 5 Mar 2022 17:59
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It was a mate saying that I couldn't claim a fish. As I didn't cast the bit out and make the rig and so on. But the way I look at it is my brother would have had to pack up if I hadn't of looked after his rods. So there wouldn't of been a fish caught on the rods at that time as he or me wouldn't of been fishing
mark1009
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Post #4 5 Mar 2022 18:00
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Many years ago I was with a friend in his swim when he wanted to go to the local shop to get a Sunday paper. This was obviously early on a Sunday morning. My friend asked the bailiff if he would watch his rods which had been out all night, to save him reeling in. My friend had just got out of the car park when one of his rods rattled off. Bailiff landed and claimed a 32lb mirror as his fish. My friend got back about 5 minutes after the fish was landed. Totally gutted as it was one of the bigger target fish he was after. Moral of the story. Don't leave your rods at bite time.
jbruin jbruin
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Post #5 5 Mar 2022 18:00
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I don't see why you would even want to claim a fish on someone elses rods, they are the ones that picked the swim, found the spots, baited up, cast out and all the hard stuff, getting the fish in is the easy part if you're fortunate enough to get a bit. Same thing happened to me when I was younger, looking after my dads rods while he went to the shops and had a 34lb common on his rod, didn't even cross my mind to claim the fish as 'my fish', in fact I still say to this day its his fish but we just chalked it up as no ones and released it. If I had to look after someones rods for a bit nowadays I just tell them to wind them in and I'll stay in the swim, more to make sure their stuff is ok.
RKB
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Post #6 5 Mar 2022 18:02
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Not winding in, sewing up swims. Carp anglers these days, I don't know
chopper chopper
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Post #7 5 Mar 2022 18:10
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In the past he has looked after my rods for me. And had fish on them. And has claimed them. Didn't bother me as I was not there to catch the fish. And if I was I may of lost the fish. I think its just one of those things.
mark1009
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Post #8 5 Mar 2022 18:14
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Another time I was fishing with my brother. It was early in the morning and he reeled in to re-cast and got snagged up. Lost all his tackle following pulling for a break. Totally demoralised he couldn't be bothered to re-tackle. I. Put a new rig on for him, rebaited for him and told him exactly where to cast. He put it exactly where I told him first cast. Half hour later he had a run and landed a 29lb 15oz mirror. He said we'll call it 30lbs I said no way. You're not getting a 30 when I did all the hard work. Love my brother.
DavidGW
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Post #9 5 Mar 2022 18:32
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In reply to Post #4
And decent bailiffs wouldn't allow unattended rods or even attended by bailiffs.
yonny yonny
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Post #10 5 Mar 2022 18:39
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Assuming the bailiff hasn't got his own rods out what is the problem with a bailiff attending someone's rods?
AideyKaye
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Post #11 5 Mar 2022 19:06
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The only time it has occured happened to be worst case scenario. My old man only popped to the shops to get some milk and it rattled off. 33 on the nose. Would have been a PB for me at the time too, despite having a few here and abroad between 30 and 32. The details would not matter if it wasn't for the fact it would have been my old mans first 30. I was absolutely gutted for him. I should have slipped it back, but opted to sack it as I think he would have at least wanted to see the fruits of his labour despite not being the one to reel it in. We took photos, but I deleted them as it just didn't feel right.
Boo Boo
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Post #12 5 Mar 2022 19:11
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When I go fishing with my mate we normally take turns on the rods if we are doubled up or in 2 swims next to each other. Few times when one of us has had to go to the toilet or whatever the rods have gone but we've never claimed the other persons fish. If I've got the fish in the net when my mate comes back he has the photo and vica versa. The way we look at it is the person who's found the spot, baited up, cast out etc has done the donkey work so they get the credit. The other person at least gets the fun of the fight

End of the day it's not a competition so we both just enjoy the moment of a fish on the bank
Jimbo6745
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Post #13 5 Mar 2022 20:21
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I would say fish caught on other peoples rods can be claimed by neither. Reeling it in is the easy bit it's the stuff that comes before that really matters. I was busting for the loo last year and passed a mate my reciver as I had fish over me ran to the loo and came back to a mid 30 in the net we had a laugh we had a picture together with it for a laugh and slipped her back. I don't count the fish but had a picture for the memories. Could be worse a bloke I knew popped to the loo and a bloke next door landed a 50+ common 😳. Moral of the story is reel them in!!😂
Andydave
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Post #14 5 Mar 2022 20:35
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Think it would be easier to just wind the rods in
Westmidsmoaner Westmidsmoaner
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Post #15 5 Mar 2022 20:38
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I take my mrs up the cut .. set the float rod up and plumb the depth . After that it's down to her and all her fish .
Lakesidecamper
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Post #16 5 Mar 2022 20:46
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Precisely.
JayRussell
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Post #17 6 Mar 2022 09:14
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In reply to Post #1
I'd never claim a fish on someone else's rod, they did the hard bit so they can take confidence in knowing the got it right. IMO no one claims it!
Leeroyjenkins Leeroyjenkins
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Post #18 6 Mar 2022 09:52
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Few years back, a lad next to me cast his rod over to the far margin, went and walked round and dropped it in by hand.

His mate was stood with the rod helping tighten the line etc. Whilst matey was walking back, the rod ripped off and his mate landed the biggun before he got back. What do you in that situation
darkoL darkoL
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Post #19 6 Mar 2022 09:55
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If you didnt have contact with the fish it cant be you fish.. simple as that... doesnt matter whos rod it is...
phil090781
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Post #20 6 Mar 2022 10:50
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What does ‘claiming' actually mean in this scenario? If you think about it it doesn't actully mean Anything. Who are you competing against? Only yourself. And deep down you know you didn't really catch those fish.
Lb1983
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Post #21 6 Mar 2022 11:55
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Nailed 👍
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #22 6 Mar 2022 12:16
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if one has to pop away from their rods for that amount of time, the rods should be reeled in regardless.
Andy_P Andy_P
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Post #23 6 Mar 2022 12:55
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100% agree, all this 'claiming' business! What a load of bowlocks.

He reeled the fish in, full stop, end of. What is there to claim?

Was the op fishing at the time with his own rods? Was it a new PB or perhaps a BRCFC record? A new record for the lake perhaps?


Now it might be different if it was one of the 'Target fish' or one of the 'A Team' maybe an 'Old Warrior' or a 'Scaley Banger'

I apologise now
mal mal
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Post #24 6 Mar 2022 13:24
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Yep

I'm inclined to agree

I know some lads who catch loads on other people's rods. They drive around on other people's alloys too...
Ged
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Post #25 6 Mar 2022 14:13
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Had an incident a couple of years ago fishing a tricky pit, more blanks than successes. My left hand rod, fished along the margin went, as I lifted into it the right hand rod sounded. My first reaction was that I must have caught the line with my rod butt, but no, the tip was right round and line was peeling off. I let it go for a while thinking it would stop soon, but it kept going. Luckily the only other member on was within earshot, so he came round with his net and lifted into it, the line zig zagged all over until he made proper contact with the fish. I got my fish into the net and he offered me my other rod back, I declined, he'd hooked it so he might as well land it. After both were safely returned we had a laugh about it and, jokingly declared it half a fish each. We've both been carp fishing long enough not to get hung up about whose fish it was.
tazi tazi
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Post #26 6 Mar 2022 16:28
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I went fishing for the week and a good mate of mine came to me to spend the day/night. As he snored his head off I baited up the area that night and then went for a 9155 up a tree just a few yards down from my swim. Alarm went off and I've never ever seen my mate move so quick as he shot out of the bivvy like superman and he's into a fish.

He lost it as it happens so is the loss on him or me because if the loss is on me then if the fish was landed is the fish on me?.

darkoL darkoL
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Post #27 6 Mar 2022 16:55
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how could you loose a fish you didnt have contact with?
tazi tazi
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Post #28 6 Mar 2022 17:05
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Alternatively how could I claim a fish that I had no contact with?.

I appreciate I've had a long day and that I'm probably talking out of my butt ring.
tazi tazi
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Post #29 6 Mar 2022 17:07
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Got to be 50/50 surely.
darkoL darkoL
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Post #30 6 Mar 2022 17:18
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right so... you cant..
tazi tazi
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Post #31 6 Mar 2022 18:31
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Thanks for clearing that one up....
clicky clicky
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Post #32 6 Mar 2022 19:11
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you both broke the clubs rules then?
RigDemon RigDemon
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Post #33 6 Mar 2022 20:01
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Personally I wouldn't claim it. Someone else has picked the bait, chose the rig, selected the spot, and when the alarm goes and the fish hooks itself then by lifting up the rod, in my opinion to bring in an already hooked fish it would seem a very hollow victory indeed to somehow proclaim the rights to having caught that fish.

Nah, I couldn't claim any success for that and it would seem very wrong to do so imo - just my thoughts on it and I appreciate others might feel differently.

Terpinhimley Terpinhimley
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Post #34 6 Mar 2022 20:13
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The bloke should have just reeled in, might have caught 2 after resting the swim for a bit 😂
IcantCatchCarp
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Post #35 6 Mar 2022 23:03
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Sad sad bunch you ladies
Carew Carew
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Post #36 6 Mar 2022 23:15
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Reminds me of a time when anglers either side of me were both attached to the same carp. They were yelling at each other to slacken off but neither would give way. The fish surfaced in front of me so I landed it. The poor fish was wrapped in line but not hooked by the time it was on my mat. The silly burgers kept up a argument over who had caught it; I got sick of it and went home in the end.
chopper chopper
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Post #37 7 Mar 2022 02:20
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Why have we broke the club rules ? As long as there is a member fishing in the swim there is no rules broken. I could look after my brothers rods for an hour. Then go 2 swims up and do the same thing if needed. I have checked with a bailiff in the past. And he said its fine as long as I've got my membership with me. As his dad has looked after his rods while he has had to go of the complex.
dalej2014 dalej2014
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Post #38 7 Mar 2022 07:35
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I can see why this is contentious, and say why it shouldn't be allowed. It's rpart of the law on your rod license. You're allowed to fish two or three rods no more than ten feet butt to butt. You must also be in control of all rods in the water. So yeah, technically it's illegal.
Imagine you get takes on your rod and a rod in the next swim. You cannot strike and play both, so one leaves a fish tethered, and potentially in danger. I imagine that what the law is there for. Any bailiff worth their salt should know that too.
phil090781
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Post #39 7 Mar 2022 07:42
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He wasn't fishing 2 sets of rods in 2 swims.
dalej2014 dalej2014
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Post #40 7 Mar 2022 08:03
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I'd respoectfully disagree. While his brother was away, technically he was. I'm sure if you leave your swim you should reel in, or is fish safety no longer our priority? How do you think the EA would view it?

Under the section on fishing rods - "It's illegal to leave a rod and line in the water unattended or over which you don't have sufficient control."

Here's the link: https://www.gov.uk/freshwater-rod-fishing-rules/tackle-you-can-use
phil090781
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Post #41 7 Mar 2022 08:56
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The OP hasn't once said he was fishing 2 sets of rods in 2 swims. You're jumping to conclusions.

dalej2014 dalej2014
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Post #42 7 Mar 2022 09:33
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The OP states that he looked after his brother's rods, and had a half decent on one. What other conclusion is there?

Or are you jumping to the conlusion he reeled in his own rods to look after his brothers?
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #43 7 Mar 2022 09:48
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Simple answer, you leave the swim, you reel your rods in.

You may be a club member, but you only needed to look after the gear for the time he was gone, even if it is on the bank, not cast in. Your brother or mate whatever, technically left his gear in the water when he left the fishery, he did not catch the fish.

It is not your fish, you did nothing to deserve it.

If club rules state that when you leave the water you take your gear with you, between you you have effectively stopped someone else fishing that swim or peg.

It reeks of the swim hogging, bucket placing to reserve a swim, only because the gear was left in deserves a punishment of being shot every day at dawn for the next 6 months until you learn you shouldn't do it.

phil090781
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Post #44 7 Mar 2022 09:49
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The impression I got was that he wasn't fishing at all and popped down to mind his brother in laws rods.

If as you say, he was minding both his rods and his brothers at the same time then I agree with you, but that hasn't been said once by the OP

Wilberforce
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Post #45 7 Mar 2022 11:40
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"bucket placing to reserve a swim"

Don't promote stopping that FFS....
With a swift departure ,that's how I get all my buckets !

Even better if they're full.
dalej2014 dalej2014
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Post #46 7 Mar 2022 12:32
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Sure, I could be wrong in my assumption.
Rather than challenging a hypothetical why not ask the OP for more clarity?

@chopper The assumption you were fishing came from your statement that your brother has claimed fish on your rods in the past, therefore you both fish together?

Did you reel in your own rods, to tend your brothers when he left?
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #47 7 Mar 2022 13:51
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 Post #43
"bucket placing to reserve a swim"

Don't promote stopping that FFS....
With a swift departure ,that's how I get all my buckets ! 

Even better if they're full.

And you can find out if someone is sneaking banned tiger nuts in...

I have a nice collection of buckets myself, and I have also managed to get water to last me another 3 days...
bluebeat13
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Post #48 7 Mar 2022 13:57
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I would say that the skilful act is the application of bait and rig in the correct spot for a bite. Reeling a fish in is the easiest bit, but still necessary.

If you don't do both of these things I can't see how I would merit a capture. In that case it's just a fish, enjoy it together and who cares who did what as neither counts!
Soppygit
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Post #49 7 Mar 2022 14:08
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You must be desperate for a fish photo that's all I can say .
chopper chopper
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Post #50 7 Mar 2022 16:08
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In reply to Post #46
I wasn't fishing with my stuff at this time. My brother had rang me and asked if I could look after his stuff for a few hours while he popped home.
chopper chopper
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Post #51 7 Mar 2022 16:09
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Who said I had a photo with it? Maby I just got the weight of it
chopper chopper
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Post #52 7 Mar 2022 16:11
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No I was not fishing 2 sets of rods in 2 different swims. As all my stuff was at home. What a silly comment.
chopper chopper
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Post #53 7 Mar 2022 16:13
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I didn't have my rods thay where at home.
dalej2014 dalej2014
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Post #54 7 Mar 2022 16:17
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Ah right. Thanks for clearing that up, and apologies for a mistaken assumption.

Personally I still wouldn't count the fish as mine, unless I'd setup,cast out etc. etc. That said, a photo with your brother? Absolutely! I'd count it as a joint capture, enjoy the moment, and get that rod out again
chopper chopper
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Post #55 7 Mar 2022 16:30
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It's a thing that just makes it easy. I e if I'm not fishing with my gear. And my brother needs to pop home or else where then if I'm not busy I'll pop down the lake and look after his stuff. And he will do the same for me. And the bailiffs are happy for you to do that. The only time we don't do it if we are both fishing. Then if I need to leave the lake I'll pack up then set back up when I get back to the lake . And brother will do the same. Aw
MARKerz
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Post #56 7 Mar 2022 17:32
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I'd of done the photo's and then sent them to him!

It's a risk that any angler faces when leaving the rods with someone else for a while.

As to claiming it I personally wouldn't but would have much fun winding them up.
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #57 7 Mar 2022 18:12
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I'd of done the photo's and then sent them to him!

It's a risk that any angler faces when leaving the rods with someone else for a while.

As to claiming it I personally wouldn't but would have much fun winding them up.


Ask Bill Cottam about Pistol Pete and The Babysitter...
jim_h
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Post #58 8 Mar 2022 11:47
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It can happen when rod sitting, especially when sharing a swim.
To my mind they count for nothing on other peoples rods, and go back with no photos the same as foul hooking.
There is no value to reeling one in that someone else has done all the "graft" for.
Rich9791 Rich9791
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Post #59 8 Mar 2022 23:18
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I used to know a South African who drank in my local (nice bloke). He used to fish with 2 friends, if one of them caught a nice fish they would all take turns in having their pic taken with it and share the capture. He thought it was odd that I thought that it was odd....
alemac1 alemac1
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Post #60 9 Mar 2022 09:30
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neither you nor your brother did 100% of the work to catch & land the fish, so its just one to slip back and forget about tbh
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #61 9 Mar 2022 10:44
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In reply to Post #60
claiming a foul hooked fish amounts much the same in my book

"Can of worms"

phil090781
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Post #62 9 Mar 2022 12:59
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I was present when a bloke landed a particularly nice linear, foul hooked near its dorsal 'on the drop' I couldn't believe it when the camera came out, and was dumbfounded when i saw it on the front of Carp Talk a couple of weeks later.
Canalcarper71 Canalcarper71
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Post #63 9 Mar 2022 15:26
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I knew someone who caught the big one from lakeside county park in Southampton and he tried numerous times with bait companies to get free bait with it saying it was caught in their bait with each company
bowlsky bowlsky
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Post #64 9 Mar 2022 15:45
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In reply to Post #62
Some people have absolutely no self respect . Either that or they are living there lives to different rules
carpstar40 carpstar40
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Post #65 10 Mar 2022 08:32
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Have you got any Belgium ancestry? some I have met abroad fishing in pairs both have their photograph with the same fish and both claim it

You do what sits right with you.
Mitchawl Mitchawl
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Post #66 10 Mar 2022 12:33
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I don't really care if people do or don't claim them. If it was my brother or my mate I would still consider it their fish, even if I landed it. If they want pics then I see no problem with that.
riddler riddler
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Post #67 10 Mar 2022 22:40
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Wow
riddler riddler
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Post #68 10 Mar 2022 22:41
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Wow
riddler riddler
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Post #69 10 Mar 2022 22:42
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No shame
riddler riddler
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Post #70 10 Mar 2022 22:42
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riddler riddler
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Post #71 10 Mar 2022 22:47
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Hooked a trailing line that turned out was attached to a 40 plus moggy It flat Rodded me on 3lb plus pike rods I only weighed it out of curiosity Due to the the mighty scrap
It don't count Woulda been a PB If I was that way inclined
Mitchawl Mitchawl
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Post #72 12 Mar 2022 14:20
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😂😂😂
Jamesvg Jamesvg
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Post #73 12 Mar 2022 18:26
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I don't see why anyone needs to 'claim it' - why can't it just be the fish that you caught on your brothers rods whilst he popped home?
If it's not a competition/anything at stake why does it need to be claimed?
SilureMark
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Post #74 13 Mar 2022 22:15
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In reply to Post #22
100% agree. Far too much of this goes on - I see people nipping off home for a shower or to get food, leaving their rods out and asking a mate to keep an eye. Even when they take a dump, these guys don't reel in. If you stop fishing, you stop fishing - reel in your rods. If you leave the water, you pack up. It got so bad on one water I was fishing, that there was a rota going on with the best swims - as no one ever vacated them without one of their mates sliding on in. Sad face of carp fishing these days - noddy time bandits acting like sad **** ers.
djstrauss281 djstrauss281
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Post #75 14 Mar 2022 07:38
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In reply to Post #74
Sounds like bluebell lakes
tazi tazi
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Post #76 14 Mar 2022 08:11
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There's lots of swims available across my local.
Iwanttogofishin
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Post #77 15 Mar 2022 11:29
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Who cares what other people think? Claim it, don't claim it. Either way, you had the fun of playing and landing the fish, so that's reward enough. If you got a photo, then even better. If it was a PB, maybe then there is a bit more to the “should I, shouldn't I” argument.
I fished a local water which was hard as nails back in the day. I had to go to work but my mate had another couple of nights. I left him one of my rods out, as he only had two (yes he had the relevant licences) he had a run on my rod. Sadly he lost the fish. That would have been our first fish from the lake. Had he landed it, I recon we both would have taken some credit for it.
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