What does everyone use?
1st attempt to roll my own baits used spotted fin. Rolled some 12mm baits. It didn't seem all that bouyant tbh.
1st attempt to roll my own baits used spotted fin. Rolled some 12mm baits. It didn't seem all that bouyant tbh.
In reply to Post #1
If I had to use one it would be Baf. I find Polaris very powdery and just not nice to work with but that's for another day!
If I had to use one it would be Baf. I find Polaris very powdery and just not nice to work with but that's for another day!
In reply to Post #2
You will struggle with those I'm afraid
I have never seen a commercially available one that actually works
You will struggle with those I'm afraid
I have never seen a commercially available one that actually works
In reply to Post #3
Oh no, don't get me wrong I soon realised a corkball with a nice base mix is far superior! Don't use anything but corkballs now
Oh no, don't get me wrong I soon realised a corkball with a nice base mix is far superior! Don't use anything but corkballs now
In reply to Post #3
I used a few kilos of BAF mix last year, had an facebook page admin asking for about 70 pots for his group, 12mm easily held up a size 4 ronnie, I've just checked the notes I gave him, components were size 4 TA curve shank, size 11 ptfe korda spinner swivel, ridgemonkey tungsten kicker, esp bait screw, and a 4 turn water knot as a stop ( ran out of beads)
Not a combo I fish myself but just something knocked together and it held it up for 3 days in a 2 bar pressure vessel.
Im not saying its the best but you can hardly say he'll struggle. my findings put it inline with proper jobs tests, unless I got a bad batch that happened to out perform the other batches?
I used a few kilos of BAF mix last year, had an facebook page admin asking for about 70 pots for his group, 12mm easily held up a size 4 ronnie, I've just checked the notes I gave him, components were size 4 TA curve shank, size 11 ptfe korda spinner swivel, ridgemonkey tungsten kicker, esp bait screw, and a 4 turn water knot as a stop ( ran out of beads)
Not a combo I fish myself but just something knocked together and it held it up for 3 days in a 2 bar pressure vessel.
Im not saying its the best but you can hardly say he'll struggle. my findings put it inline with proper jobs tests, unless I got a bad batch that happened to out perform the other batches?
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Polaris is a recipe gifted to mainline by the bloke who used to roll their pop ups, given that its a very old product and things have moved on massively other pop up mixes will out perform it
Polaris is a recipe gifted to mainline by the bloke who used to roll their pop ups, given that its a very old product and things have moved on massively other pop up mixes will out perform it
Oxford carp baits, the pop ups don't sink. Had a 14mm in a tank for over 10 days holding up a size 4 trig hammer, ronnie swivel and bait screw
Secret squirrel hookbaits I've had up for 3 days. 12mm holding up the same as above.
They've only stopped floating as the mrs wanted her glass vase back 😂
Secret squirrel hookbaits I've had up for 3 days. 12mm holding up the same as above.
They've only stopped floating as the mrs wanted her glass vase back 😂
Absolute rubbish. Commercialy available mix's can definitely be more than buoyant enough.
I roll popups for a small bait biz and our new modified popups have been holding up a chod for 6 days and they seem pretty much as buoyant as day 1. In the tank I also have popups from different companies for comparison, one being a mix rolled with BAF popup mix. The BAF mix is almost as buoyant as ours, the rest have failed at this point.
I'd happily use the BAF mix if starting out
I roll popups for a small bait biz and our new modified popups have been holding up a chod for 6 days and they seem pretty much as buoyant as day 1. In the tank I also have popups from different companies for comparison, one being a mix rolled with BAF popup mix. The BAF mix is almost as buoyant as ours, the rest have failed at this point.
I'd happily use the BAF mix if starting out
I rolled a couple of thousand hookbaits last year. So nothing like on the scale of the big boys, I've been making my own baits for years but when rolling for myself I wasn't ever that bothered if they weren't perfectly round or the odd one was a bit mis-shaped, so the BAF mix was fine. But a couple of years ago when I decided to start to sell a few I decided I needed better consistency, and that's where I found the BAF mix is lacking. I struggled to get consistent batches, and I'm very careful to get every mix exactly the same. I weigh everything on jewellers scales to 0.1g including the liquids. Even went so far as to buy a thermometer to get the water temps exactly the same on every batch. Yet despite this completely over the top attention to detail. I still had batches that would swell more than others. Some batches would harden off more than others. Some batches would mis shape more than others.
So I'd say for home use starting out it's fine but I think you will move on.
So I'd say for home use starting out it's fine but I think you will move on.
In reply to Post #9
Exactly my point
Exactly my point
In reply to Post #9
I found the exact same thing. If you are just adding flavours I'm sure it's fine, but then all you have is a cheap base mix, glass spheres and flavour.
Add a decent amount of heavier liquids and powdered additives and they struggle. You can obviously add more base mix but then you are diluting the attractors.
Cork balls are the way to get everything you want in the mix and keep reliable consistency. You can then also glug them to death once dried.
More of a faff but worth the effort.
I found the exact same thing. If you are just adding flavours I'm sure it's fine, but then all you have is a cheap base mix, glass spheres and flavour.
Add a decent amount of heavier liquids and powdered additives and they struggle. You can obviously add more base mix but then you are diluting the attractors.
Cork balls are the way to get everything you want in the mix and keep reliable consistency. You can then also glug them to death once dried.
More of a faff but worth the effort.
In reply to Post #11
If you are on about a 16mm hook bait with no additives then maybe they will be ok
I'm talking about 10 and 12mm baits with liquids, additives, fishmeal, glm etc.
I don't think those mixes would cope at all
If you are on about a 16mm hook bait with no additives then maybe they will be ok
I'm talking about 10 and 12mm baits with liquids, additives, fishmeal, glm etc.
I don't think those mixes would cope at all
The guy is getting into rolling his own hookbaits for himself, getting a perfectly rounded ball is the least important thing for the guy! His only concearn with the one he used was buoyancy anyway.
The BAF mix is absolutely fine for the guy. No need to complicate things for him.
The BAF mix is absolutely fine for the guy. No need to complicate things for him.
In reply to Post #12
I'd much rather use the exact mix I want to use with zero filler wrapped around cork at 14/15mm than have to bulk a 11mm ball out with a floaty base mix. 11mm is a tiny amount of paste to have to include the buoyancy ingredients too.
I'd much rather use the exact mix I want to use with zero filler wrapped around cork at 14/15mm than have to bulk a 11mm ball out with a floaty base mix. 11mm is a tiny amount of paste to have to include the buoyancy ingredients too.
In reply to Post #13
That's why I'm suggesting corkballs. He can put what he wants in the mix and it will be buoyant enough. Mine certainly are not perfectly round, but I'd rather they weren't.
That's why I'm suggesting corkballs. He can put what he wants in the mix and it will be buoyant enough. Mine certainly are not perfectly round, but I'd rather they weren't.
In reply to Post #1
I have used Richworth, Mainline Polaris and BAF pop-up mixes amongst others.
Richworth I do not know if it is still available. Mainline Polaris I found inconsistent, some batches were OK, yet others mixed exactly the same were not.
Last year I tried the BAF pop-up mix, and it does exactly what it is supposed to, pops up.
For a 1egg mix I add 5ml of Rod Hutchinson Megaspice, Shellfish Sense Appeal and 2ml of Verselle Laga Garlic Oil.
The attractor package is one that I have used for years and it does work.
If you need links to the flavour and attractors I can find them for you
I have used Richworth, Mainline Polaris and BAF pop-up mixes amongst others.
Richworth I do not know if it is still available. Mainline Polaris I found inconsistent, some batches were OK, yet others mixed exactly the same were not.
Last year I tried the BAF pop-up mix, and it does exactly what it is supposed to, pops up.
For a 1egg mix I add 5ml of Rod Hutchinson Megaspice, Shellfish Sense Appeal and 2ml of Verselle Laga Garlic Oil.
The attractor package is one that I have used for years and it does work.
If you need links to the flavour and attractors I can find them for you
Thanks all.
The base mix used works but like I said its not the most bouyant. I also find the secret squirrel hookbaits to be the most bouyant I have come across in my short time dedicated carp angling.
Will give the BAF mix a try and also some corkballs.
The base mix used works but like I said its not the most bouyant. I also find the secret squirrel hookbaits to be the most bouyant I have come across in my short time dedicated carp angling.
Will give the BAF mix a try and also some corkballs.
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Inconsistency seems to be a rather disheartening issue, with most of the current popup mixes available on the market nowadays.
Why is that ???
I´ve been rolling all my popups for the last 15 or so years, and never had any issues with Richworths, Mistral Baits and the earlier CCMoores popup mixes, but nowadays, it´s either hit or miss. 
I´ve been through bags n bags of different bait company mixes, and the majority have failed, my rigarious testing.
I too use jewellers scales for precise measurements, and temperature controlled simmering, to avoid inconsistency of the final product, but most of the time, i get let down.
Gotta point out, i´m not after any pedantically perfect spheres that stay popped up for weeks, but a drenched 14mm that keeps a size 2 popped up for 48hrs
Inconsistency seems to be a rather disheartening issue, with most of the current popup mixes available on the market nowadays.
Why is that ???I´ve been rolling all my popups for the last 15 or so years, and never had any issues with Richworths, Mistral Baits and the earlier CCMoores popup mixes, but nowadays, it´s either hit or miss.
I´ve been through bags n bags of different bait company mixes, and the majority have failed, my rigarious testing.
I too use jewellers scales for precise measurements, and temperature controlled simmering, to avoid inconsistency of the final product, but most of the time, i get let down.
Gotta point out, i´m not after any pedantically perfect spheres that stay popped up for weeks, but a drenched 14mm that keeps a size 2 popped up for 48hrs
In reply to Post #18
Oxford Carp Baits Pop ups are the dogs b**lcks!
Hold up size 4's and all metal work for days, even the 12mmers
The Linch Specials are special!
PJp's are also very good but more expensive
Oxford Carp Baits Pop ups are the dogs b**lcks!
Hold up size 4's and all metal work for days, even the 12mmers
The Linch Specials are special!
PJp's are also very good but more expensive
I'm gonna be honest here and say that I don't get the fascination with needing pop ups to stay up for four days. It's not hard to make a pop up that would stay up for weeks. But I wouldn't wanna use it as it will be loads of 3M and binders with a bit of flavour chucked in. I'd much rather have a pop up that stays up 24 hours that's not hard as a bullet, that's got a load of soluble ingredients and goes soft cos it's actually leaking out attraction.
In reply to Post #20
Totally agree. I have tried the PJPs and Blake's power lifter type super pop ups and can't get my head round using them. They will hold a huge hook up for however many days and will be just the same as when you cast out, but who wants that? I'd rather my bait was softening up and leaking off like you would want your free baits. The baits I've used that do that use cork.
Totally agree. I have tried the PJPs and Blake's power lifter type super pop ups and can't get my head round using them. They will hold a huge hook up for however many days and will be just the same as when you cast out, but who wants that? I'd rather my bait was softening up and leaking off like you would want your free baits. The baits I've used that do that use cork.
The more buoyant the pop up is the less inherent food value is actually in it in my view. A corkball would be a great alternative that has actual food value with the buoyancy your after.
In reply to Post #22
its actually very difficult to explain that to customers, I feel like shouting a lot of the time. joe public wants to be able to float a car with a 15mm nowadays
its actually very difficult to explain that to customers, I feel like shouting a lot of the time. joe public wants to be able to float a car with a 15mm nowadays
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In reply to Post #23
Agreed mozzi, and you can certainly make them very buoyant but at a massive cost to actual food value as you well know. Yet people seem happy to pay certain companies £40 quid for a tub of pop ups when a corkball would catch you more fish throughout the year for 15 quid a pot.
Agreed mozzi, and you can certainly make them very buoyant but at a massive cost to actual food value as you well know. Yet people seem happy to pay certain companies £40 quid for a tub of pop ups when a corkball would catch you more fish throughout the year for 15 quid a pot.
In reply to Post #25
You have missed the point of modern pop ups. They now have real food in them where as before we could only get some liquid flavour in and that was it!
Now, it's possible to get 12mm baits made out of nut meals, fishmeals, milks and any additives we want and the biggest one, hydro liquids! All that in an easy to use 12mm bait that is more buoyant than most 16mm.
I don't like throwing my stuff into other threads but as an example if you eat a 12mm trick nut pop up you can see and taste the actual nut basemix from the boilie recipe in that pop up. Now do you see why I rate them so much compared to a bright pink blank over flavoured with maple. We can bridge the gap between a real boilie and one that keeps your rig up for 24 hours!
You have missed the point of modern pop ups. They now have real food in them where as before we could only get some liquid flavour in and that was it!
Now, it's possible to get 12mm baits made out of nut meals, fishmeals, milks and any additives we want and the biggest one, hydro liquids! All that in an easy to use 12mm bait that is more buoyant than most 16mm.
I don't like throwing my stuff into other threads but as an example if you eat a 12mm trick nut pop up you can see and taste the actual nut basemix from the boilie recipe in that pop up. Now do you see why I rate them so much compared to a bright pink blank over flavoured with maple. We can bridge the gap between a real boilie and one that keeps your rig up for 24 hours!
In reply to Post #26
I find myself using wafters more than pop ups these days. I genuinely don't think have there rigs with more rings that Mr T are actually necessary
I find myself using wafters more than pop ups these days. I genuinely don't think have there rigs with more rings that Mr T are actually necessary
In reply to Post #26
I completely get what your saying gav. We want to get as much fishmeal/milks/hydros in as possible to give it actual food value while remaining buoyant enough for the job. You can source a base mix and add a certain percentage of milks/ fishmeal/ hydros weight it all out etc. or you can just mould some paste around a corkball and it's done. Why mess around trying to add more food value into a standard pop up whilst retaining buoyancy when we have had the answer for years a corkball. The only reason we are still using standard pop ups Is because it's not commercially viable for most companies to mass produce corkball pop ups. So we have resulted to trying to mass produce a bait that preforms like a corkball without the hassle.
I completely get what your saying gav. We want to get as much fishmeal/milks/hydros in as possible to give it actual food value while remaining buoyant enough for the job. You can source a base mix and add a certain percentage of milks/ fishmeal/ hydros weight it all out etc. or you can just mould some paste around a corkball and it's done. Why mess around trying to add more food value into a standard pop up whilst retaining buoyancy when we have had the answer for years a corkball. The only reason we are still using standard pop ups Is because it's not commercially viable for most companies to mass produce corkball pop ups. So we have resulted to trying to mass produce a bait that preforms like a corkball without the hassle.
Honestly use what you want no need to kick off it's only a pop up ffs... Remember location is everything
In reply to Post #26
I used the richworth fishmeal mix for quite a few years and found it reliable, Polaris too. As you say, something I have done for a long time, added a few additional “goodies” and they are good for 12 hours and they are larger baits 15mm. Long enough for me though.
I suppose people using 12mms and size 4 hooks with loaded baits need something a bit more special? Air drying for 48 weeks is not the answer
I have tried a few and can't say I am satisfied with any but I have my preferences. A few is all about how they boil too as they distorted awfully, unless simmered, if that bothers people of course
So, who do we think is the best mix available right now based on performance not,
Genuinely interested, tried the proper job ones once quite a few years ago, ridiculously buoyant, OK for zigs!
I used the richworth fishmeal mix for quite a few years and found it reliable, Polaris too. As you say, something I have done for a long time, added a few additional “goodies” and they are good for 12 hours and they are larger baits 15mm. Long enough for me though.
I suppose people using 12mms and size 4 hooks with loaded baits need something a bit more special? Air drying for 48 weeks is not the answer
I have tried a few and can't say I am satisfied with any but I have my preferences. A few is all about how they boil too as they distorted awfully, unless simmered, if that bothers people of course
So, who do we think is the best mix available right now based on performance not,
Genuinely interested, tried the proper job ones once quite a few years ago, ridiculously buoyant, OK for zigs!
In reply to Post #1
BAF is the best I've used. My current 14mm pops are holding up a size 4 chod rig for over 48hrs.
BAF is the best I've used. My current 14mm pops are holding up a size 4 chod rig for over 48hrs.
Years ago I and many others used to make out pop-ups from decent milk protein powders, casein, Lactalbumin, calcium caseinate, whole egg powder so they were far from inert and I was able to get Minamino, CSL etc in them no problems along with flavours & colours, quick blast in the microwave.
The above probably wasn't cost / time effective for the companies hence the microspheres and other stuff, we kind of stood still in regards pop-ups / hookbaits for many years.
The above probably wasn't cost / time effective for the companies hence the microspheres and other stuff, we kind of stood still in regards pop-ups / hookbaits for many years.
In reply to Post #32
Agreed.
It could be fine tuning amounts of sodium caseinate (1987/8) and/or sieving the base mix to remove lumps and larger ingredients (Enervite) to roll around corkballs.
Another trick I used was using just egg white, taking the yolk out when mixing sieved base mix for pop-ups.
Agreed.
It could be fine tuning amounts of sodium caseinate (1987/8) and/or sieving the base mix to remove lumps and larger ingredients (Enervite) to roll around corkballs.
Another trick I used was using just egg white, taking the yolk out when mixing sieved base mix for pop-ups.
In reply to Post #30
The richworth fishmeal pop up mix was excellent. It had a real shrimpy smell to it too.
Id like to add maybe 10% basemix and 5% pdfm to make them a bit more "foody" but it wasnt really necessary.
Mega bouyancy wasnt really the goal, just trying to make a pop up version of the freebies, but without the hassle of cork balling.
The richworth fishmeal pop up mix was excellent. It had a real shrimpy smell to it too.
Id like to add maybe 10% basemix and 5% pdfm to make them a bit more "foody" but it wasnt really necessary.
Mega bouyancy wasnt really the goal, just trying to make a pop up version of the freebies, but without the hassle of cork balling.
In reply to Post #34
Similar to me, match my feed baits and a doodle to roll plus the life span popped up was fine for the job
Similar to me, match my feed baits and a doodle to roll plus the life span popped up was fine for the job
In reply to Post #9
move on to what ??
move on to what ??
In reply to Post #36
Anyone know if any of the commercial popup basemixes have microspheres included in their mixes ?
Anyone know if any of the commercial popup basemixes have microspheres included in their mixes ?
In reply to Post #37
most if not all of them
most if not all of them
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Shillam doesn't
Shillam doesn't
In reply to Post #39
pretty sure they do, k20, not massively buoyant, you can see k20's if they're in a mix, you can see them in the wafter and pop ups on the shilham page, could be k15
pretty sure they do, k20, not massively buoyant, you can see k20's if they're in a mix, you can see them in the wafter and pop ups on the shilham page, could be k15
In reply to Post #40
This is what it says on their website. I took this to mean no 3M but I guess they could technically mean anything by glass beads
We at Shilhams have been perfecting our very own Pop-Up mixes for many years. We only use the highest quality ingredients and use no glass beads, cork dust or cork balls.
This is what it says on their website. I took this to mean no 3M but I guess they could technically mean anything by glass beads
We at Shilhams have been perfecting our very own Pop-Up mixes for many years. We only use the highest quality ingredients and use no glass beads, cork dust or cork balls.
In reply to Post #41
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In reply to Post #2
With the BAF popup mix...if I use 80g of the mix and then add 20g of my own additives and powders (per 1 egg), will it still hold up a size 4 for 24 hours? Or will I need to reduce the amount or powders? Is it better to stick to the popup mix alone?
I have tried using John bakers hookbait mixes with cork balls but the mix will not dye to the colour I want. Which is annoying.
Cheers
With the BAF popup mix...if I use 80g of the mix and then add 20g of my own additives and powders (per 1 egg), will it still hold up a size 4 for 24 hours? Or will I need to reduce the amount or powders? Is it better to stick to the popup mix alone?
I have tried using John bakers hookbait mixes with cork balls but the mix will not dye to the colour I want. Which is annoying.
Cheers
In reply to Post #43
The only way you'll know for sure is do a small mix and test it.
What colour do you want the JB?
The only way you'll know for sure is do a small mix and test it.
What colour do you want the JB?
In reply to Post #43
You can always wrap the finished paste around a cork ball or knead some cork granules into the paste if it doesn't pop up.
A good guide is to pinch of a piece of paste, roll into a ball and drop into a glass of water, if it rises back to the top very quickly then it's good to go. This will be even more buoyant once the paste has dried out.
It also depends on the size of bait, for example, a 15mm sphere has a volume of just over half that of an 18mm, and the effect on which a size 4 will have of it will be in relation to this mass.
You can always wrap the finished paste around a cork ball or knead some cork granules into the paste if it doesn't pop up.
A good guide is to pinch of a piece of paste, roll into a ball and drop into a glass of water, if it rises back to the top very quickly then it's good to go. This will be even more buoyant once the paste has dried out.
It also depends on the size of bait, for example, a 15mm sphere has a volume of just over half that of an 18mm, and the effect on which a size 4 will have of it will be in relation to this mass.
In reply to Post #43
I've used 8g of fructose with 92g of BAF mix and made 14mm baits that hold a size 4 up for 24hrs+
It guess it all depends on what powders you're using. 10g of spirulina will be more powder than 10g of a fishmeal for instance.
You could always do a half egg mix as a test
I've used 8g of fructose with 92g of BAF mix and made 14mm baits that hold a size 4 up for 24hrs+
It guess it all depends on what powders you're using. 10g of spirulina will be more powder than 10g of a fishmeal for instance.
You could always do a half egg mix as a test
In reply to Post #46
Plus with your fructose recipe it will sort of even out as it goes with fructose being replaced by lighter water.
It's probably going to “change” in buoyancy less as although more water is sucked on fructose is 1.6 x the density
Plus with your fructose recipe it will sort of even out as it goes with fructose being replaced by lighter water.
It's probably going to “change” in buoyancy less as although more water is sucked on fructose is 1.6 x the density
In reply to Post #47
The one bait I'm using krill meal, beef liver powder, full fat glm and brocacel yeast. Probs looking for a 15mm finished bait. Probably have to just give it a test I guess. Maybe I'll cut down to 2.5g of each and 90g of the BAF powder.
I tried dying JB bio shelfish with pink dye and it went a salmon pink type colour
And tried the super milk mix with mainline white dye and it was kind of a grey / beige colour.
Fail
I was after a nice clean bright white and a washed pink
The one bait I'm using krill meal, beef liver powder, full fat glm and brocacel yeast. Probs looking for a 15mm finished bait. Probably have to just give it a test I guess. Maybe I'll cut down to 2.5g of each and 90g of the BAF powder.
I tried dying JB bio shelfish with pink dye and it went a salmon pink type colour
And tried the super milk mix with mainline white dye and it was kind of a grey / beige colour.
Fail
I was after a nice clean bright white and a washed pink
In reply to Post #48
Would it even be worth adding 2.5 or 5g each of those powders?
Would it even be worth adding 2.5 or 5g each of those powders?
In reply to Post #48
Buy some Titanium Dioxide from a chem supplier. Loads on Ebay. That will dye a fishmeal white, unless the mix has Robin Red in, then you'll get a pink colour.
Buy some Titanium Dioxide from a chem supplier. Loads on Ebay. That will dye a fishmeal white, unless the mix has Robin Red in, then you'll get a pink colour.
In reply to Post #50
Yes I think bio shelfish base mix contains robin red. I ended up with a pink colour trying to dye it white with mainline try colours. Wasn't impressed
Would it dye his super milk bright white?
Yes I think bio shelfish base mix contains robin red. I ended up with a pink colour trying to dye it white with mainline try colours. Wasn't impressed
Would it dye his super milk bright white?
In reply to Post #51
Should do, if you went say 3g to 97g of base mix. Worth experimenting with.
As a side effect, I've found Titanium also hardens the bait a little too.
Should do, if you went say 3g to 97g of base mix. Worth experimenting with.
As a side effect, I've found Titanium also hardens the bait a little too.
In reply to Post #52
One thing I found with white, if you mix some into the beaten eggs before adding any powder, it helps disperse the colour better and you get a cleaner white - can also help to sieve the powder as titanium dioxide can be a bit lumpy.
One thing I found with white, if you mix some into the beaten eggs before adding any powder, it helps disperse the colour better and you get a cleaner white - can also help to sieve the powder as titanium dioxide can be a bit lumpy.
In reply to Post #55
Very much agree with the sieving comment, it helps a lot!
Very much agree with the sieving comment, it helps a lot!
In reply to Post #55
And the egg thing, makes a big difference
And the egg thing, makes a big difference
In reply to Post #55
literally just been talking a fellow bait maker through this as hes using huuuuuge amounts of TO and really didn't need too.
I'd found the best time to add it is at the stage of a thick batter, and to absolutely beat it to within an inch of its life. the more it disperses the whiter stuff gets, not unsual for the mixer to go for 20 minutes here!
I'm a fan of insoluble pigments, and the more they disperse in the mixing state the better also.
literally just been talking a fellow bait maker through this as hes using huuuuuge amounts of TO and really didn't need too.
I'd found the best time to add it is at the stage of a thick batter, and to absolutely beat it to within an inch of its life. the more it disperses the whiter stuff gets, not unsual for the mixer to go for 20 minutes here!
I'm a fan of insoluble pigments, and the more they disperse in the mixing state the better also.
In reply to Post #58
Mozzi... How many grams of TO would I need to add to a 1 egg mix to get super white baits then? And you are recommending adding the powder in to the mix at a thick batter stage and whisking the **** out of it? So TO will dye most plain hookabait mixes a really bright white?
Thanks
Mozzi... How many grams of TO would I need to add to a 1 egg mix to get super white baits then? And you are recommending adding the powder in to the mix at a thick batter stage and whisking the **** out of it? So TO will dye most plain hookabait mixes a really bright white?
Thanks
In reply to Post #59
Varies depending on which pop up mix you use, anything from 2/5g usually but just had a friend use 150g to a kilo of pop up mix.
Varies depending on which pop up mix you use, anything from 2/5g usually but just had a friend use 150g to a kilo of pop up mix.
In reply to Post #60
If I'm using the TO in with a base mix and cork ball popup can I pretty much add as much as it takes to make the mix as white as I want it? It's not repellent to carp at higher levels is it?
If I'm using the TO in with a base mix and cork ball popup can I pretty much add as much as it takes to make the mix as white as I want it? It's not repellent to carp at higher levels is it?
In reply to Post #61
Ive not found it to be the case, you'll sooner reach levels that make it hard to work with I.e getting too chalky and not binding properly.
Ive not found it to be the case, you'll sooner reach levels that make it hard to work with I.e getting too chalky and not binding properly.
In reply to Post #61
Why would it be a repellant?
It is insoluble in water
You also should know the density of TiO2 is near to 4 times the one of water. So, the more you add to your pop ups the less the floating properties
Why would it be a repellant?
It is insoluble in water
You also should know the density of TiO2 is near to 4 times the one of water. So, the more you add to your pop ups the less the floating properties
In reply to Post #41
Have you used the Shilham mix?
Is it any good? Sounds like it gets its buoyancy solely from milks.
Have you used the Shilham mix?
Is it any good? Sounds like it gets its buoyancy solely from milks.
In reply to Post #64
It won't be very buoyant then 😂 milk proteins only get you so far, most modern mixes are a combo of a buoyancy aid, binders to hold it is and light weight milks to produce the least dense bulk possible
It won't be very buoyant then 😂 milk proteins only get you so far, most modern mixes are a combo of a buoyancy aid, binders to hold it is and light weight milks to produce the least dense bulk possible
In reply to Post #65
I know this doesn't add to the answer, but a piece of cork or foam topping a boilie or wafter makes a simple popup, and can add a visual element too.
Do we sometimes get carried away overthinking it all? (I do love a popup myself too though
)
I know this doesn't add to the answer, but a piece of cork or foam topping a boilie or wafter makes a simple popup, and can add a visual element too.
Do we sometimes get carried away overthinking it all? (I do love a popup myself too though
)
In reply to Post #66
Toping a boilie will usually make a wafter, topping a wafter will usually make a pop up that with water ingress becomes a wafter.
Agreed for in the past but people put more metal work on their rigs than bobby george puts on his fingers.
Toping a boilie will usually make a wafter, topping a wafter will usually make a pop up that with water ingress becomes a wafter.
Agreed for in the past but people put more metal work on their rigs than bobby george puts on his fingers.
In reply to Post #67
One of my favourite set ups will be half a pop up with 2/3rds of a bottom bait to make a balanced bottom bait.
One of my favourite set ups will be half a pop up with 2/3rds of a bottom bait to make a balanced bottom bait.
In reply to Post #1
i would say that if you start with a base mix you think that will catch a fish wrap it around a cork ball if you catch with it not only have you found a decent pop up but you have also found a freebie base mix to use as you now know that the fish like it simple really i would say
i would say that if you start with a base mix you think that will catch a fish wrap it around a cork ball if you catch with it not only have you found a decent pop up but you have also found a freebie base mix to use as you now know that the fish like it simple really i would say
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