Well worth a watch on youtube. Got to be one of the biggest captures of big fish from a French public water captured on video ever. Just.Wow.... I now John's vids have been mentioned on here in the past. You'll find this one on CCMoores channel. 
In reply to Post #1
Enjoyed that, certainly gave the tackle a workout.
Enjoyed that, certainly gave the tackle a workout.
https://youtu.be/RpGRY-zZvv8
Sorry should of put the link up in my original post..
Sorry should of put the link up in my original post..
Didn't he do well!
In reply to Post #4
enjoyed watching that, only spoilt by the constant reminder of what bait he's using
enjoyed watching that, only spoilt by the constant reminder of what bait he's using
In reply to Post #5
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black
In reply to Post #6
ive never done a film re fishing and my otter films i dont think ive ever ever mentioned my angling
ive never done a film re fishing and my otter films i dont think ive ever ever mentioned my angling
In reply to Post #6
What bait is it again
What bait is it again
In reply to Post #8
im glad you asked, ive forgot
im glad you asked, ive forgot
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In reply to Post #10
Amazing.
Amazing.
In reply to Post #11
Thanks
Thanks
In reply to Post #5
Think I'd forgive him the odd plug Joss.. 
Think I'd forgive him the odd plug Joss..
In reply to Post #5
thats because he is sponsored by CC.MOOR
hardly surprising is it ? 
thats because he is sponsored by CC.MOOR
hardly surprising is it ?
In reply to Post #1
Enjoyed watching that, apart from the impressive catches he deserves much credit for the effort of packing up and getting back down for 3 a.m. every day!
Enjoyed watching that, apart from the impressive catches he deserves much credit for the effort of packing up and getting back down for 3 a.m. every day!
Brilliant film and I just love the un matching wonky rods and reels. A proper angler with no bull****. I think we can excuse him the odd mention of his bait co.
there are THREE threads now !! on J T`s trips
the original thread posted by Rivers is in the foreign section with Johns earlier trips LINKY POO
the original thread posted by Rivers is in the foreign section with Johns earlier trips LINKY POO
In reply to Post #13
the "Odd" one yes.
but by 15 mins in, i think the viewer may have got the message
the "Odd" one yes.
but by 15 mins in, i think the viewer may have got the message
In reply to Post #14
sometimes, less is "moore" though
sometimes, less is "moore" though
In reply to Post #5
To be fair to JT, I'm still only up to his 2018 films and the bait plugs are only relevant to him explaining the reasons as to why he is baiting the way he is. If you're using two types of baits to avoid crays/chat etc then I think it makes sense to mention why you're not using fishmeals.
It's not as if he's rubbing a live system wafter around his nipple whilst looking seductive for the 'gram
To be fair to JT, I'm still only up to his 2018 films and the bait plugs are only relevant to him explaining the reasons as to why he is baiting the way he is. If you're using two types of baits to avoid crays/chat etc then I think it makes sense to mention why you're not using fishmeals.
It's not as if he's rubbing a live system wafter around his nipple whilst looking seductive for the 'gram
In reply to Post #22
No big secret but you still set up a new account before you named it?
No big secret but you still set up a new account before you named it?
In reply to Post #1
Really love his videos,no bull ****,just good hard graft
Really love his videos,no bull ****,just good hard graft
In reply to Post #22
That area has loads of lakes especially to the southwest, remember being out there touring on the bike and seeing lakes everywhere.
That area has loads of lakes especially to the southwest, remember being out there touring on the bike and seeing lakes everywhere.
In reply to Post #22
Naming it wasn't necessary. On your first post, really? Yes, it's a well known venue on the European circuit. Man enough? It's not M is it?
Naming it wasn't necessary. On your first post, really? Yes, it's a well known venue on the European circuit. Man enough? It's not M is it?
In reply to Post #27
M had DF completely questioning his ability and without someone to hold his hand, he would have bailed at the end of the second day.
M had DF completely questioning his ability and without someone to hold his hand, he would have bailed at the end of the second day.
In reply to Post #29
I'm going to answer this simply.
It's Johns film - John posts here. John didn't name the venue - as it's his film, etiquette would suggest that would be the correct thing to do, not name it on a public forum such as this.
Phil, these are your first posts and you seem to have a bee in your bonnet over naming venues - would you be happy to name all the venues that John and others have been too then? John often mentions in his films that he's not going to name venues out of respect for the locals, which seems the right thing to do.
The venue itself is well known, it's on other vids, Korda, a french Fox one, loads of pics on the web. It's pretty safe, not like M or GL, but it can get very busy at times.
Keep it to myself? Doubt it, I haven't been since summer 2014, when a certain fish died, and that was the last one of the original big ones we'd not had.
I'm going to answer this simply.
It's Johns film - John posts here. John didn't name the venue - as it's his film, etiquette would suggest that would be the correct thing to do, not name it on a public forum such as this.
Phil, these are your first posts and you seem to have a bee in your bonnet over naming venues - would you be happy to name all the venues that John and others have been too then? John often mentions in his films that he's not going to name venues out of respect for the locals, which seems the right thing to do.
The venue itself is well known, it's on other vids, Korda, a french Fox one, loads of pics on the web. It's pretty safe, not like M or GL, but it can get very busy at times.
Keep it to myself? Doubt it, I haven't been since summer 2014, when a certain fish died, and that was the last one of the original big ones we'd not had.
In reply to Post #30
He doesn't appear to be the one who has his a bee in his bonnet to me.
He doesn't appear to be the one who has his a bee in his bonnet to me.
I'm guessing freedom of speech don't exist anymore 👎👎👎👎
In reply to Post #32
Tbh this is a forum talking about carp fishing, naming a lake in another country, that 99.9% of carp anglers wont even bother to venture to, didnt really need suppressing. If he wanted to keep it a real secret he wouldn't have put a video up at all....
Tbh this is a forum talking about carp fishing, naming a lake in another country, that 99.9% of carp anglers wont even bother to venture to, didnt really need suppressing. If he wanted to keep it a real secret he wouldn't have put a video up at all....
In reply to Post #27
My point would be if John didn't want the venue to be named then he should not
Post up the videos of where he fishes.
At the end of the day he had a trip to remember which he shared on media so why can't people name the venue for others to potentially fish.
Fox,Nash,Kev Ellis etc etc to my knowledge have never not named a venue
My point would be if John didn't want the venue to be named then he should not
Post up the videos of where he fishes.
At the end of the day he had a trip to remember which he shared on media so why can't people name the venue for others to potentially fish.
Fox,Nash,Kev Ellis etc etc to my knowledge have never not named a venue
Edited this comment as I was wrong
In reply to Post #32
Is there a list what venues we can name or not on this forum? This is beyond funny... Not being able to name a public venue featured in numerous commercial videos... WTF??
Is there a list what venues we can name or not on this forum? This is beyond funny... Not being able to name a public venue featured in numerous commercial videos... WTF??
In reply to Post #34
Tbh this is a forum talking about carp fishing, naming a lake in another country, that 99.9% of carp anglers wont even bother to venture to, didnt really need suppressing. If he wanted to keep it a real secret he wouldn't have put a video up at all....
This is a bit short sighted in my view for two reasons.
1) 99.9% of carp anglers aren't on my club water. However, with a little effort, IE sticking your name on a waiting list and several hours of driving, 90% of carp anglers in this country COULD fish it. This is no different to lakes in France. Naming a venue in France because you believe 99.9% of anglers won't fish it could possibly inspire 2% of anglers to research, find videos, find forum posts, pictures, write ups and eventually be inspired to actually visit. A handful of anglers then turns into several dozen. I've seen this happen as a direct result of posts ON THIS FORUM. Heck, I even recognised a couple of them in the latter years.
2) Believe it or not many French, German, Dutch etc etc anglers can read English. Many have access to google translate. Many travel to France to fish. They have far easier car journeys to France than we do. As above, even 2% of that 99.9% number have the ability to change a water forever. I don't speak French, however during lockdown I amassed a list of around 30+ public waters in France, with night fishing, and found youtube videos, forum posts etc. to confirm there is stock worth catching, that it is safe etc. This is because people cannot help but name waters and show off what they caught through selfishness and with an aim to be recognised. These posts and videos are no different to self promotion here, usually with a plug for a garage shed swivel firm, and with Aldi bite alarms in the background of the picture, plus pods angled as if they are about to launch a V2 rocket into the post office of a village in Kent
Sorry if that sounds sarcastic, but we believe we are in our own little bubble at times. Until you give a Dutch kid a hair rig to catch his first carp because he was inspired by English anglers on youtube, you tend to forget that 40 year old blokes in Berkshire scratching their arse on the sofa aren't the only ones with access to youtube and google watching "eggy lad"...
Tbh this is a forum talking about carp fishing, naming a lake in another country, that 99.9% of carp anglers wont even bother to venture to, didnt really need suppressing. If he wanted to keep it a real secret he wouldn't have put a video up at all....
This is a bit short sighted in my view for two reasons.
1) 99.9% of carp anglers aren't on my club water. However, with a little effort, IE sticking your name on a waiting list and several hours of driving, 90% of carp anglers in this country COULD fish it. This is no different to lakes in France. Naming a venue in France because you believe 99.9% of anglers won't fish it could possibly inspire 2% of anglers to research, find videos, find forum posts, pictures, write ups and eventually be inspired to actually visit. A handful of anglers then turns into several dozen. I've seen this happen as a direct result of posts ON THIS FORUM. Heck, I even recognised a couple of them in the latter years.
2) Believe it or not many French, German, Dutch etc etc anglers can read English. Many have access to google translate. Many travel to France to fish. They have far easier car journeys to France than we do. As above, even 2% of that 99.9% number have the ability to change a water forever. I don't speak French, however during lockdown I amassed a list of around 30+ public waters in France, with night fishing, and found youtube videos, forum posts etc. to confirm there is stock worth catching, that it is safe etc. This is because people cannot help but name waters and show off what they caught through selfishness and with an aim to be recognised. These posts and videos are no different to self promotion here, usually with a plug for a garage shed swivel firm, and with Aldi bite alarms in the background of the picture, plus pods angled as if they are about to launch a V2 rocket into the post office of a village in Kent
Sorry if that sounds sarcastic, but we believe we are in our own little bubble at times. Until you give a Dutch kid a hair rig to catch his first carp because he was inspired by English anglers on youtube, you tend to forget that 40 year old blokes in Berkshire scratching their arse on the sofa aren't the only ones with access to youtube and google watching "eggy lad"...
Does this mean the end of the uk and foreign venues sections?
In reply to Post #41
There are levels.
It would be impossible to stick the lid back on when it comes to certain venues, especially those which have an active online presence and do not have a publicity ban. There are also certain venues which are still free of the watchful eyes of social media. Sadly, a few of these fell foul to furloughed, who wanted to find a "freebie" when many other waters were either absolutely rammed or closed due to paranoia.
I know one "freebie" which had angling banned in it's entirety because the handful who kept their nut down had their angling ruined by anglers who just could not help but start posting on forums and social media about what was in there. It's selfish. simple as that. I'm sorry, but as someone who has spent most of their life fishing these kinds of waters, it seems irrelevant to name a water until its YOUR place of solace that gets ruined due to naming them.
There is a reason Pike Anglers (worth their salt) will not name venues full stop.
People seem to forget that many pay lakes made a mint from pillaging French public lakes and rivers, so is it any wonder that both english and european anglers who want to enjoy the stock wish to keep these lakes quiet? They also seem quite content naming French waters they don't fish/will not fish anymore on public forums yet would not dare to post their pics of their "syndicates" just incase the world and his wife sticks their name down on a 7 year long waiting list...
There are levels.
It would be impossible to stick the lid back on when it comes to certain venues, especially those which have an active online presence and do not have a publicity ban. There are also certain venues which are still free of the watchful eyes of social media. Sadly, a few of these fell foul to furloughed, who wanted to find a "freebie" when many other waters were either absolutely rammed or closed due to paranoia.
I know one "freebie" which had angling banned in it's entirety because the handful who kept their nut down had their angling ruined by anglers who just could not help but start posting on forums and social media about what was in there. It's selfish. simple as that. I'm sorry, but as someone who has spent most of their life fishing these kinds of waters, it seems irrelevant to name a water until its YOUR place of solace that gets ruined due to naming them.
There is a reason Pike Anglers (worth their salt) will not name venues full stop.
People seem to forget that many pay lakes made a mint from pillaging French public lakes and rivers, so is it any wonder that both english and european anglers who want to enjoy the stock wish to keep these lakes quiet? They also seem quite content naming French waters they don't fish/will not fish anymore on public forums yet would not dare to post their pics of their "syndicates" just incase the world and his wife sticks their name down on a 7 year long waiting list...
In reply to Post #40
Why is it short sighted? This is a fishing forum isnt it? Why cant lake names be talked about? It's like we are still living in the 80's where everything is secret squirrel. If people dont want the lake to be talked about, then they wouldn't advertise them in the first place. If you do then in my view it's fair game. I genuinely wanted to know the lakes name, not to fish it, but to cross reference the korda video.
If we cant talk about a lake in a completely different country, which involves hours and hours of driving to get there, then what can we talk about?
Why is it short sighted? This is a fishing forum isnt it? Why cant lake names be talked about? It's like we are still living in the 80's where everything is secret squirrel. If people dont want the lake to be talked about, then they wouldn't advertise them in the first place. If you do then in my view it's fair game. I genuinely wanted to know the lakes name, not to fish it, but to cross reference the korda video.
If we cant talk about a lake in a completely different country, which involves hours and hours of driving to get there, then what can we talk about?
The way I see it is that if you don't want to name/promote/whatever a venue out of respect for the locals, other anglers or whatever then don't make a video about it and post it on YouTube. People are bound to do some digging and asking questions and that's fine. If people don't want to share that info then that's also fine but you can't moan at the people that do share that info
In reply to Post #42
Do these pike anglers stick 90 min vids up on YouTube of the lakes they fish?
Do these pike anglers stick 90 min vids up on YouTube of the lakes they fish?
In reply to Post #40
Korda have a video on YouTube fishing the venue. It's not a secret club water.
That's KORDA on YOUTUBE
I reckon they may have a wider audience across Europe on a slightly bigger platform than a few hundred overweight Englishmen on a rickety old forum.
The moderation on here is highly questionable at the moment.
Korda have a video on YouTube fishing the venue. It's not a secret club water.
That's KORDA on YOUTUBE
I reckon they may have a wider audience across Europe on a slightly bigger platform than a few hundred overweight Englishmen on a rickety old forum.
The moderation on here is highly questionable at the moment.
In reply to Post #47
Totally agree, the best threads are the ones that are lively
Totally agree, the best threads are the ones that are lively
In reply to Post #48
Not sure deleting a public waters name is the way forward myself either , I found out about it by accident when researching another water north of it , and a friend told me that this lake would be an option if others were busy . I see it from both sides , but the majority , in fact the vast majority on here will never travel that far , certainly with only that lake to target without a few back up venues to go to if it's busy .
Not sure deleting a public waters name is the way forward myself either , I found out about it by accident when researching another water north of it , and a friend told me that this lake would be an option if others were busy . I see it from both sides , but the majority , in fact the vast majority on here will never travel that far , certainly with only that lake to target without a few back up venues to go to if it's busy .
In reply to Post #49
Think I'm gonna take a trip there this year
Think I'm gonna take a trip there this year
Ok, point taken guys.
Didn't think removing a venue name would cause such a stir to the point that some users have even crawled out of the non-carp section to post in here.
You all know the name of the lake I'm sure by now..
Didn't think removing a venue name would cause such a stir to the point that some users have even crawled out of the non-carp section to post in here.
You all know the name of the lake I'm sure by now..
In reply to Post #51
Definitely a strange thing for someone to do that described the location of, and asked for info on, an Essex water that is kept well under the radar.
Definitely a strange thing for someone to do that described the location of, and asked for info on, an Essex water that is kept well under the radar.
Plenty of publics on HERE for anyone feeling adventurous, my opinion if its in print on the internet it's hardly a secret "HINT" the lake in question is on this site not too difficult to find although the information is dated, anything info past 10 years and your taking a gamble of what remains as it's probably had a vindage and all the big carp sold at the auction in Paris and bought by private lake owners, although those left or restocked with smaller carp can still make for decent fishing as they don't take long to munter up.
In reply to Post #52
Yep, hindsight is a wonderful thing Andy.
Yep, hindsight is a wonderful thing Andy.
In reply to Post #51
You all know the name of the lake I'm sure by now..
Its name is common knowledge if you are a regular visitor to France. It is also featured on at least three French "Where To Fish"-type websites, on one Dutch site and a further German one and there may be more, I didn't do a deep search.
If you know, you know, and if you don't know then find out by doing your research as John will have done and as most pioneering anglers will also have done.
Incidentally, it is my understanding that pike will not take to being caught too regularly, whereas carp often get caught several times a year and still come back to a hookbait. We had a pike down here in a Cornish ressy that went in at 32lb. The news quickly spread, and it was caught three or four times in fairly quick succession. It was later found dead, possibly as a result of the stress of the multiple captures.
You all know the name of the lake I'm sure by now..
Its name is common knowledge if you are a regular visitor to France. It is also featured on at least three French "Where To Fish"-type websites, on one Dutch site and a further German one and there may be more, I didn't do a deep search.
If you know, you know, and if you don't know then find out by doing your research as John will have done and as most pioneering anglers will also have done.
Incidentally, it is my understanding that pike will not take to being caught too regularly, whereas carp often get caught several times a year and still come back to a hookbait. We had a pike down here in a Cornish ressy that went in at 32lb. The news quickly spread, and it was caught three or four times in fairly quick succession. It was later found dead, possibly as a result of the stress of the multiple captures.
In reply to Post #56
exactly right
when in 2014 a huge fish came out in an enduro the world record 34,9 kg mirror carp, captured during an official fishing enduro competition in France and the public water was all over the place and its easy to see ? its laughable that its a secret ?
bit like Rainbow shall we keep that a secret as well or Cassien etc
exactly right
when in 2014 a huge fish came out in an enduro the world record 34,9 kg mirror carp, captured during an official fishing enduro competition in France and the public water was all over the place and its easy to see ? its laughable that its a secret ?
bit like Rainbow shall we keep that a secret as well or Cassien etc
In my opinion naming the lake is a complete lake of respect. If people know they know.
I live a few hours away and have fished it a lot. It's obviously not a secret lake but encouraging more foreign interest is only going to lead this venue down one route.
Last year alone saw more damage to anglers cars than any of the previous 3 I've fished it. Naming the venue and potentially encouraging anglers who aren't experienced with fishing venues with hostile locals is negligent in my book as the car damage etc is certainly rising.
Tight lines Dave
I live a few hours away and have fished it a lot. It's obviously not a secret lake but encouraging more foreign interest is only going to lead this venue down one route.
Last year alone saw more damage to anglers cars than any of the previous 3 I've fished it. Naming the venue and potentially encouraging anglers who aren't experienced with fishing venues with hostile locals is negligent in my book as the car damage etc is certainly rising.
Tight lines Dave
In reply to Post #58
Ah, so someone who fishes said lake in France and wants to keep it a secret, finds it disrespectful when someone names the lake on an English fishing forum, and then blames them if your car gets done over??? I'm not sure I can find an emoji right now for the weird face I'm making
Ah, so someone who fishes said lake in France and wants to keep it a secret, finds it disrespectful when someone names the lake on an English fishing forum, and then blames them if your car gets done over??? I'm not sure I can find an emoji right now for the weird face I'm making
In reply to Post #59
Ha I knew I shouldn't have commented 🤣 but for what it's worth I don't fish there anymore
Ha I knew I shouldn't have commented 🤣 but for what it's worth I don't fish there anymore
🤡 maybe this one 😂😉
In reply to Post #61
As good As this forum is I'd be fairly confident it's only a minor % of carpers visit or use it,I think naming it was more than ok.
As good As this forum is I'd be fairly confident it's only a minor % of carpers visit or use it,I think naming it was more than ok.
In reply to Post #57
That fish died summer 2014 unfortunately. One of the best ever.
That fish died summer 2014 unfortunately. One of the best ever.
Great film i really enjoyed it so much i watched it twice ,,well done JT . But ref nami g the location and having experienced a lake i fish in the uk being plastered all over youube by one of the most famous carp anglers in the county, it went from being very very quiet to a circus almost overnight and does cause a fair bit of resentment. towards the new anglers, who would never have heard or thought of the place and the angler that published the youtube film . So out of respect to the anglers fishing there , you just keep it quet..
In reply to Post #64
I totally agree, no need to have named it.
I totally agree, no need to have named it.
In reply to Post #65
Agree, if the guy making the film doesn't name it people should respect his choice
Agree, if the guy making the film doesn't name it people should respect his choice
In reply to Post #66
Exactly the word you chose, respect.
There is a distinct lack of it in today's Carp scene and I for one don't care for it at all.
Exactly the word you chose, respect.
There is a distinct lack of it in today's Carp scene and I for one don't care for it at all.
I also agree to an extent
He fishes a public water, put the video on a public platform, then posted on a public forum like I said in my earlier post he or anyone for that matter should not post their video(s) ups if they don't want people to know where they are fishing.
He fishes a public water, put the video on a public platform, then posted on a public forum like I said in my earlier post he or anyone for that matter should not post their video(s) ups if they don't want people to know where they are fishing.
In reply to Post #68
And I agree with that to an extent 😁. Posted up on for all to see , keeping the name quiet seemed what he wanted , but surely people can't moan about anyone trying to track it down, as I did after the Korda video , it's in our makeup as carp anglers 😁. Then as someone names it , surely then people can't be surprised . Both examples were an obvious outcome once it was released , respect or not , it's the way things are .
And I agree with that to an extent 😁. Posted up on for all to see , keeping the name quiet seemed what he wanted , but surely people can't moan about anyone trying to track it down, as I did after the Korda video , it's in our makeup as carp anglers 😁. Then as someone names it , surely then people can't be surprised . Both examples were an obvious outcome once it was released , respect or not , it's the way things are .
In reply to Post #69
It strikes me as a complete lack of fishing etiquette how would you like it if we as English where lucky enough to have a free fishing lake that was local to you with great fishing and big fish a plenty then all of a sudden because a foreign angler started naming the place you couldn't get near it because the masses descended on it. Simple fact is you wouldn't know one would so do your homework or go and find your own piece of paradise and respect other peoples freedom of choice not to name places.
It strikes me as a complete lack of fishing etiquette how would you like it if we as English where lucky enough to have a free fishing lake that was local to you with great fishing and big fish a plenty then all of a sudden because a foreign angler started naming the place you couldn't get near it because the masses descended on it. Simple fact is you wouldn't know one would so do your homework or go and find your own piece of paradise and respect other peoples freedom of choice not to name places.
In reply to Post #70
Is that the same freedom of choice people have to name venues for those that do want to know?
And this is all over a PUBLIC lake
Is that the same freedom of choice people have to name venues for those that do want to know?
And this is all over a PUBLIC lake
In reply to Post #71
Yeah, imagine St John's being named on a French carp forum, and all the frenchies heading over to fish it, I'd be distraught 😂
Yeah, imagine St John's being named on a French carp forum, and all the frenchies heading over to fish it, I'd be distraught 😂
In reply to Post #72
My bad I didn't know St. John's was a public water
My bad I didn't know St. John's was a public water
In reply to Post #72
And yeah people could name it but that's where the poor etiquette comes in depends on your morals at the end of the day it's a shame most don't have any
And yeah people could name it but that's where the poor etiquette comes in depends on your morals at the end of the day it's a shame most don't have any
In reply to Post #74
What has morals got to do with anything when talking about a lake? Like seriously, i think people need to get down off their high horse a little, and put this situation into a bit of perspective.
What has morals got to do with anything when talking about a lake? Like seriously, i think people need to get down off their high horse a little, and put this situation into a bit of perspective.
In reply to Post #75
Agreed. People need to get a grip.
Agreed. People need to get a grip.
Nice to see respect and discretion are long dead in many's eyes
In reply to Post #77
I think the point is that they go out of the window when people start making a living out of making fishing videos. Let's all be honest, that video was a promotional video for a bait company. The video will have a far greater affect than a few names on a forum. Anyone with half a brain can figure out the waters.
Just my opinion, but we would all be much better off without these videos. They are 99% either self promotion or commercial promotion. It's all bulls***.
I think the point is that they go out of the window when people start making a living out of making fishing videos. Let's all be honest, that video was a promotional video for a bait company. The video will have a far greater affect than a few names on a forum. Anyone with half a brain can figure out the waters.
Just my opinion, but we would all be much better off without these videos. They are 99% either self promotion or commercial promotion. It's all bulls***.
In reply to Post #77
In reply to Post #78
But when the person making the video expressly says why he doesn't name the water it shows a lack of ettiquet to then name it. The guy who did made a profile on here just to do that. And then all the people saying that behaviour is fine. It shows just how downhill the angling world is going.
But when the person making the video expressly says why he doesn't name the water it shows a lack of ettiquet to then name it. The guy who did made a profile on here just to do that. And then all the people saying that behaviour is fine. It shows just how downhill the angling world is going.
In reply to Post #80
But when the person making the video expressly says why he doesn't name the water it shows a lack of ettiquet
But quite simply put, it's not his lake for it to be his choice for other people not to name it.
Probably would of fallen off the radar by now if people didn't make such a big fuss over people that did name it
But when the person making the video expressly says why he doesn't name the water it shows a lack of ettiquet
But quite simply put, it's not his lake for it to be his choice for other people not to name it.
Probably would of fallen off the radar by now if people didn't make such a big fuss over people that did name it
In reply to Post #81
What nonsense.
What nonsense.
In reply to Post #82
So would it have been expectable for someone to post in the foreign section
(What was the name of the lake that John fished in his last video)
So would it have been expectable for someone to post in the foreign section
(What was the name of the lake that John fished in his last video)
In reply to Post #82
Again , although he did not name the water , what on earth did he think , or others on here , would happen when a big catch including a 70lb carp from a mega cheap open access water get put out over Europe via YouTube . Yes it makes him feel better not naming it , but carp anglers will be carp angler etiquette or not . I'm not even sure it will increase the pressure on the lake that much in the end , as I researched it a long while ago , as part of looking around areas where you should have back up waters to move to should things go wrong or get too busy , so it's a fair distance and foolish just to travel for that lake .
The big question really is should it be moderated / deleted on here , applying the etiquette of John and his wishes to posts made on a carp post ?
Again , although he did not name the water , what on earth did he think , or others on here , would happen when a big catch including a 70lb carp from a mega cheap open access water get put out over Europe via YouTube . Yes it makes him feel better not naming it , but carp anglers will be carp angler etiquette or not . I'm not even sure it will increase the pressure on the lake that much in the end , as I researched it a long while ago , as part of looking around areas where you should have back up waters to move to should things go wrong or get too busy , so it's a fair distance and foolish just to travel for that lake .
The big question really is should it be moderated / deleted on here , applying the etiquette of John and his wishes to posts made on a carp post ?
In reply to Post #83
Expectable? Do you mean acceptable? It's one thing naming it from your own trip or whatever,but when the guy made a point of keeping schtum,and his reasoning then no it's not acceptable,it's a ****ty move. It's not carp anglers ettiquet that's going to pot, it modern carp anglers. The sort that talk in wraps, spod out munga, and "run" rods.
Expectable? Do you mean acceptable? It's one thing naming it from your own trip or whatever,but when the guy made a point of keeping schtum,and his reasoning then no it's not acceptable,it's a ****ty move. It's not carp anglers ettiquet that's going to pot, it modern carp anglers. The sort that talk in wraps, spod out munga, and "run" rods.
In reply to Post #85
lol he did commercial video, put it online and that is the end of story... putting name of lake in video or not, same thing... but this lake is not unknown especially not after korda video which just shows that them not naming the lake didnt help at all it exposed the lake totally so why on earth would you/him think his video will not do the same??
lol he did commercial video, put it online and that is the end of story... putting name of lake in video or not, same thing... but this lake is not unknown especially not after korda video which just shows that them not naming the lake didnt help at all it exposed the lake totally so why on earth would you/him think his video will not do the same??
In reply to Post #86
Shouldn't this thread be in the Bait section?
Shouldn't this thread be in the Bait section?
In reply to Post #86
It should have been end of story yes. But it's not because people have no standards these days.
It should have been end of story yes. But it's not because people have no standards these days.
In reply to Post #85
What part of keeping things 'schtum' involves producing a video to promote yourself and your sponsors bait and putting it on Youtube?
If anything is taking carp angling to pot it's people using it to try and turn a few quid. That may be whoring yourself out for free tackle and bait, promoting your own products or just begging for views and likes on social media.
What part of keeping things 'schtum' involves producing a video to promote yourself and your sponsors bait and putting it on Youtube?
If anything is taking carp angling to pot it's people using it to try and turn a few quid. That may be whoring yourself out for free tackle and bait, promoting your own products or just begging for views and likes on social media.
In reply to Post #89
Odd arguments in this thread:
1. It's ok to name a venue because someone made a video there (and didn't name it)
2. It's ok to name a venue because i don't fish there any more.
As mentioned it comes down to respect. It may or may not be difficult to find out what lake it is but show the anglers who fish it the respect of not naming it. If people really want to know they can do the research and find out themselves.
Odd arguments in this thread:
1. It's ok to name a venue because someone made a video there (and didn't name it)
2. It's ok to name a venue because i don't fish there any more.
As mentioned it comes down to respect. It may or may not be difficult to find out what lake it is but show the anglers who fish it the respect of not naming it. If people really want to know they can do the research and find out themselves.
In reply to Post #85
He didnt keep schtum though did he. He didnt have to mention any names like Nick Helleur or Korda, or name any of the fish that was in there. He could have just said it's a public water in France, but after reeling off the information he essentially named the lake, so if you want to carry on down the etiquette route, maybe the issue should be with the video and not someone on here naming it, because let's be honest, without the video there is no arguing.
He didnt keep schtum though did he. He didnt have to mention any names like Nick Helleur or Korda, or name any of the fish that was in there. He could have just said it's a public water in France, but after reeling off the information he essentially named the lake, so if you want to carry on down the etiquette route, maybe the issue should be with the video and not someone on here naming it, because let's be honest, without the video there is no arguing.
Ah yes, good old carp angling etiquette of years gone by; illegally guesting on lakes, breaking rules, putting out extra rods down the margins, fishing out of bounds areas and into others anglers water.
In reply to Post #90
Respect would be not making a video and putting it Youtube to promote your sponsors bait company.
Respect would be not making a video and putting it Youtube to promote your sponsors bait company.
In reply to Post #89
He didnt name the lake though. Any idiot can see that!
He didnt name the lake though. Any idiot can see that!
In reply to Post #91
Essentially naming and actually naming are different things!
Essentially naming and actually naming are different things!
In reply to Post #95
But it's not though, if I put a video out and fished a large lake in France, then went on to say as an example, that I'm fishing Ellis point, and was after a fish that Spooner had recently caught in a monster carp episode, most people would know where I'm fishing, but because I didnt name it, then it's ok?
But it's not though, if I put a video out and fished a large lake in France, then went on to say as an example, that I'm fishing Ellis point, and was after a fish that Spooner had recently caught in a monster carp episode, most people would know where I'm fishing, but because I didnt name it, then it's ok?
In reply to Post #94
Any idiot can figure out the lake from the video without spelling out a name.
No video = No name = Respect for local anglers
Any idiot can figure out the lake from the video without spelling out a name.
No video = No name = Respect for local anglers
In reply to Post #96
Well unless the people had watched the episode then they would be none the wiser unless they already knew of the water would they?! It's very clearly 2 different things
Well unless the people had watched the episode then they would be none the wiser unless they already knew of the water would they?! It's very clearly 2 different things
In reply to Post #97
Look the guy makes his money from fishing ,and therefore has to do these vids etc. He did it and didn't mention the name to show respect to the locals, then some bellend comes on here ,makes a profile just to name it. It a **** move. End of.
Look the guy makes his money from fishing ,and therefore has to do these vids etc. He did it and didn't mention the name to show respect to the locals, then some bellend comes on here ,makes a profile just to name it. It a **** move. End of.
In reply to Post #98
Do you actually believe in the point you are trying to make or are you just arguing it for the sake of it?
Do you actually believe in the point you are trying to make or are you just arguing it for the sake of it?
In reply to Post #98
But I would guarantee alot of anglers would know exactly what lake it was, without me actually naming it. This is EXACTLY the same but on a lesser scale.
So going back to my original point, if I wanted to keep it hush hush, if I didnt mention Ellis point, or the Korda video, it would be a hell of alot harder for people to know where I'm fishing
But I would guarantee alot of anglers would know exactly what lake it was, without me actually naming it. This is EXACTLY the same but on a lesser scale.
So going back to my original point, if I wanted to keep it hush hush, if I didnt mention Ellis point, or the Korda video, it would be a hell of alot harder for people to know where I'm fishing
In reply to Post #100
Why do you ask such stupid questions? If someone wants something not named, then someone else basically say **** it if he won't name it I will, that a **** move. Very ignorant.
Why do you ask such stupid questions? If someone wants something not named, then someone else basically say **** it if he won't name it I will, that a **** move. Very ignorant.
In reply to Post #101
No it's not.
So all of you, if you had a piece on info you decided to keep quiet, then someone else took it upon themselves to decide to disclose it anyway, you'd all be fine with that? Because if so, you really do need to have a word with yourselves
No it's not.
So all of you, if you had a piece on info you decided to keep quiet, then someone else took it upon themselves to decide to disclose it anyway, you'd all be fine with that? Because if so, you really do need to have a word with yourselves
In reply to Post #103
I'm afraid it is
I'm afraid it is
What makes one persons decision not to name somewhere for whatever reason the basis of prohibiting any one else from naming / talking about it?
Is one persons decision enough to overrule everyone else's?
It's a public water, PUBLIC
Ps maybe those that think they have more entitlement than others should take a look at themselves rather than those that just get on with life
Is one persons decision enough to overrule everyone else's?
It's a public water, PUBLIC
Ps maybe those that think they have more entitlement than others should take a look at themselves rather than those that just get on with life
In reply to Post #103
If I had a water I wanted to keep quiet I wouldn't drive there, video myself fishing there then release it on the internet to plug my sponsors bait company.
I don't understand where you are struggling with this one?
If I had a water I wanted to keep quiet I wouldn't drive there, video myself fishing there then release it on the internet to plug my sponsors bait company.
I don't understand where you are struggling with this one?
In reply to Post #105
Well the bloke who named it after jt decided not to is the one showing the entitlement, and you lot are defending that. So that makes you as bad.
Well the bloke who named it after jt decided not to is the one showing the entitlement, and you lot are defending that. So that makes you as bad.
In reply to Post #106
I'm not struggling at all chap, you lot are the ones who don't seem to grasp simple etiquette
I'm not struggling at all chap, you lot are the ones who don't seem to grasp simple etiquette
In reply to Post #108
I wouldn't make the video in the first place. I don't agree with whoring out your fishing to make money. It ruins it for everybody.
How's that for etiquette?
I wouldn't make the video in the first place. I don't agree with whoring out your fishing to make money. It ruins it for everybody.
How's that for etiquette?
In reply to Post #108
Is this the same etiquette as Tel had when put a video out on the Blue Lagoon and named it, and the same etiquette as Dave Lane has when he puts a video out and names Kingsmead, or more recently Yateley??
Is this the same etiquette as Tel had when put a video out on the Blue Lagoon and named it, and the same etiquette as Dave Lane has when he puts a video out and names Kingsmead, or more recently Yateley??
In reply to Post #107
Nonsense. People asked, someone answered
As bad? Well, as it's not a bad thing to be sharing information about a public water on a forum for sharing information that has both a uk and foreign venues section, then that's not bad at all.
Nonsense. People asked, someone answered
As bad? Well, as it's not a bad thing to be sharing information about a public water on a forum for sharing information that has both a uk and foreign venues section, then that's not bad at all.
In reply to Post #109
Yeah climb up on your high horse chap. Disclosing info others decided not to is bad etiquette, arrogance ,plain snide. If that were really you're opinion you wouldn't be on here defending the naming. Because youre literally contradicting yourself
Yeah climb up on your high horse chap. Disclosing info others decided not to is bad etiquette, arrogance ,plain snide. If that were really you're opinion you wouldn't be on here defending the naming. Because youre literally contradicting yourself
In reply to Post #110
They chose to name. Jt didn't and matey just did it anyway. There's your difference. Arrogance
They chose to name. Jt didn't and matey just did it anyway. There's your difference. Arrogance
In reply to Post #113
Oh right, so it's ok for them to name it and not others??
Oh right, so it's ok for them to name it and not others??
In reply to Post #112
I give up
I give up
In reply to Post #114
You're just silly now.
You're just silly now.
In reply to Post #115
Good
Good
In reply to Post #117
We should all chip in and get him some butt rests. Its chaos when he get a take.
We should all chip in and get him some butt rests. Its chaos when he get a take.
In reply to Post #118
If only we knew where to send the donations (couldn't resist)
To be fair, it all looked very chaotic, the joys of good angling at the right time n place. He did at some point mention replacing the butt rests
If only we knew where to send the donations
(couldn't resist)To be fair, it all looked very chaotic, the joys of good angling at the right time n place. He did at some point mention replacing the butt rests
we could get real here
truth is you aint gonna get hoards of people going to that place in a million years !!
the reason is its a tiny few that would actually go there as you cant rock up with a motor stuffed full of larger that 90% of UK people think is the way forward
they aint gonna be happy just turning up to day fish ??
its only a very small % of people that would even consider a public lake with zero facilities and no night fishing
the folk that are liable to fish it already know about it be honest ?
truth is you aint gonna get hoards of people going to that place in a million years !!
the reason is its a tiny few that would actually go there as you cant rock up with a motor stuffed full of larger that 90% of UK people think is the way forward
they aint gonna be happy just turning up to day fish ??
its only a very small % of people that would even consider a public lake with zero facilities and no night fishing
the folk that are liable to fish it already know about it be honest ?
In reply to Post #120
Exactly 👍
Exactly 👍
I watched this after all the talk on here.
Am I the only person who found it boring? I've never heard of this guy before so maybe you have to watch his other stuff. His session looked insane and obviously a good angler, but the whole video is just "here's a fish I caught, oh, here's another one, *shot of rods clattering around* here's a fish i caught"
Am I the only person who found it boring? I've never heard of this guy before so maybe you have to watch his other stuff. His session looked insane and obviously a good angler, but the whole video is just "here's a fish I caught, oh, here's another one, *shot of rods clattering around* here's a fish i caught"
I'll agree JT's videos that I have seen always strike me as pretty chaotic, usually there has been a bit of drama with something not going to plan, a little rule bending here and there on occasion a big bit of rule bending which in my opinion only is when he looks like a rabbit in the headlights, but he obviously puts in plenty of effort and catches his fair share.
So long as he is enjoying himself aye.
So long as he is enjoying himself aye.
In reply to Post #122
Sounds like most fishing videos to me..
Sounds like most fishing videos to me..
In reply to Post #122
I found it a bit boring also . A fine bit of angling though . I read through the YouTube comments and it was named on there as gravierre de longville . Is that the place ?
I found it a bit boring also . A fine bit of angling though . I read through the YouTube comments and it was named on there as gravierre de longville . Is that the place ?
In reply to Post #125
So it is. I guess this makes a lot of this thread completely moot.
So it is. I guess this makes a lot of this thread completely moot.
In reply to Post #126
Yes , back to the actual video 👍 ,great catch on days only as well .
Yes , back to the actual video 👍 ,great catch on days only as well .
In reply to Post #126
Not really, there's still the principal of the matter.
Not really, there's still the principal of the matter.
In reply to Post #122
I agree went on a bit in my opinion, a bit like this thread.
I agree went on a bit in my opinion, a bit like this thread.
In reply to Post #1
Excellent video with no bull**** ..
Excellent video with no bull**** ..
In reply to Post #130
With the greatest respect to John, who I rate as a grafter, this type of scenario isn't what he is really good at. Dropping in at a going swim and winching them in is something anyone can do. Fishing a bank of rods, while risking losing all his tackle to the Rozzers, baiting three waters, fishing one during the day and another at night, off a bicycle, 700 miles from home, during a weekend session is what makes him a one in a million character. I sometimes feel he just likes to be up against it for it to be interesting for him. He is starting to mention his increasing age and I hope he keeps fit so we will have more of his cheeky, friendly style for a.few years yet.
With the greatest respect to John, who I rate as a grafter, this type of scenario isn't what he is really good at. Dropping in at a going swim and winching them in is something anyone can do. Fishing a bank of rods, while risking losing all his tackle to the Rozzers, baiting three waters, fishing one during the day and another at night, off a bicycle, 700 miles from home, during a weekend session is what makes him a one in a million character. I sometimes feel he just likes to be up against it for it to be interesting for him. He is starting to mention his increasing age and I hope he keeps fit so we will have more of his cheeky, friendly style for a.few years yet.
In reply to Post #131
Really enjoyed watching
Really enjoyed watching
I enjoy JT `s fishing vids IMO he is a proper angler and deserves all his fish
he dont sit on his arse guzzling beer or waiting for a fish to wake him up hats off to him hope he dont take any notice of the bitching tossers comments
I really doubt any of em would have the gonads to do what he does solo they wouldnt have a scooby doo
he dont sit on his arse guzzling beer or waiting for a fish to wake him up hats off to him hope he dont take any notice of the bitching tossers comments
I really doubt any of em would have the gonads to do what he does solo they wouldnt have a scooby doo
In reply to Post #133
John's vids and Kevin Ellis's vids are my absolute favourites, different styles but both make top notch watching 👍👍
John's vids and Kevin Ellis's vids are my absolute favourites, different styles but both make top notch watching 👍👍
In reply to Post #29
Omg so what its a french lake its not area 51 is it
Omg so what its a french lake its not area 51 is it
In reply to Post #135
The post you've replied to is the one who named the lake in the thread he wasn't the one being secretive.
The post you've replied to is the one who named the lake in the thread he wasn't the one being secretive.
Couple of users have 'left the building' for a while...
...the ban is to stop them posting.
I'm bored of seeing good threads ruined by repetitive squabbles
...the ban is to stop them posting.
I'm bored of seeing good threads ruined by repetitive squabbles
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