Has anyone got any sneaky information on the soon to be released ESP Quickdraw rods? A message from ESP suggested that these will be available in Jan '22 and the odd glimpse has appeared on Instagram (I think Alfie Russel's). Essentially they look like another Scope type rod and might be just what I have been looking for...
In reply to Post #1
Think it's 5 rods (full diploma and a couple of lengths and TC's, landing net plus luggage 👍👍 and yes, launched in January I think.
Think it's 5 rods (full diploma and a couple of lengths and TC's, landing net plus luggage 👍👍 and yes, launched in January I think.
In reply to Post #1
Where have you seen them
Where have you seen them
In reply to Post #3
Carp angle video on Alfie he was using them
Carp angle video on Alfie he was using them
In reply to Post #4
im in the market for some retractable rods, i dont suppose you have a link to where the rods are shown on video ... I appreciate it is probably just a glimpse
im in the market for some retractable rods, i dont suppose you have a link to where the rods are shown on video ... I appreciate it is probably just a glimpse
In reply to Post #5
There's glimpses throughout
https://youtu.be/yqTIhnfsQfw
There's glimpses throughout
https://youtu.be/yqTIhnfsQfw
In reply to Post #6
thanks mate
thanks mate
In reply to Post #5
Have a look at Chiltern Custom rods.
I got a set built by them and am thrilled with the quality, price and most important to me, the service was brilliant and I was kept informed and they were delivered within the time scale promised.
I have had fish to 48lb 8oz on mine and they performed brilliiantly.
I have the 10ft 3.5lb for boat work and small water big fish venues in Europe.
Have a look at Chiltern Custom rods.
I got a set built by them and am thrilled with the quality, price and most important to me, the service was brilliant and I was kept informed and they were delivered within the time scale promised.
I have had fish to 48lb 8oz on mine and they performed brilliiantly.
I have the 10ft 3.5lb for boat work and small water big fish venues in Europe.
In reply to Post #8
they do look nice... thanks for the heads up
they do look nice... thanks for the heads up
In reply to Post #8
I'll be going for a set of these but will hold out to see the esp and their price tag first
I'll be going for a set of these but will hold out to see the esp and their price tag first
In reply to Post #1
New rods and net and luggage range has just posted released on their Facebook page
New rods and net and luggage range has just posted released on their Facebook page
In reply to Post #11
Looks sensible from a price perspective. Be interested to see what the finish is like on the rods as the retractable section takes a lot of wear. Still waiting for someone to do one in a finish similar to freespirits and the tackle box CFXs
RRP 9' Rod £84.95 10' Rod £94.95 Net £139 Quiver £39.95 9' Sleeve £23.95 10' Sleeve £26.95
Looks sensible from a price perspective. Be interested to see what the finish is like on the rods as the retractable section takes a lot of wear. Still waiting for someone to do one in a finish similar to freespirits and the tackle box CFXs
RRP 9' Rod £84.95 10' Rod £94.95 Net £139 Quiver £39.95 9' Sleeve £23.95 10' Sleeve £26.95
In reply to Post #12
Forgot to add, will ESP be bringing out a brolly to match? Since wychwood stopped making the MHR 50 and nash stopped their offering the market seems wide open for a compact brolly. All these short rods but stuck with a 6ft brolly
Forgot to add, will ESP be bringing out a brolly to match? Since wychwood stopped making the MHR 50 and nash stopped their offering the market seems wide open for a compact brolly. All these short rods but stuck with a 6ft brolly
In reply to Post #13
I am a esp fan all Looks good price I think the sleeves are a bit pricey thoe compared to others I think brolly coming totally agree stupid decision by wychwood to stop the 50
I am a esp fan all Looks good price I think the sleeves are a bit pricey thoe compared to others I think brolly coming totally agree stupid decision by wychwood to stop the 50
In reply to Post #12
What do you mean by finish similar to free spirit, eyes ans reel seat all out of alignment or guides with different spacing from rod to rod lol.
What do you mean by finish similar to free spirit, eyes ans reel seat all out of alignment or guides with different spacing from rod to rod lol.
In reply to Post #15
Perdurable, developed by Gary at TB
Perdurable, developed by Gary at TB
Slightly dissapointed they bought them out as part of the Onyx range ... was hoping for something a bit more special
In reply to Post #15
Won't scratch moving rod in out
Won't scratch moving rod in out
Rods look a bit more "Dwarf" than "Scope"..........really like the quiver and sleeves though.
In reply to Post #16
I've owned free spirit es, xs and hi's, all can be scratched, if perdurable was significantly better than a matt resin the likes of century, Harrison, esp etc would have adopted it.
I've owned free spirit es, xs and hi's, all can be scratched, if perdurable was significantly better than a matt resin the likes of century, Harrison, esp etc would have adopted it.
In reply to Post #20
Isn't it just bare carbon without any varnish? I have spinning rods like that and have always had ground carbon harrisons too. Did tackle box ‘develop' bare carbon blanks in the same way Kevin Nash invented the twin skinned tent lol
Nash still have the best retractable rod range IMO. Was looking forward to these but I'll go for something else I reckon.
Isn't it just bare carbon without any varnish? I have spinning rods like that and have always had ground carbon harrisons too. Did tackle box ‘develop' bare carbon blanks in the same way Kevin Nash invented the twin skinned tent lol
Nash still have the best retractable rod range IMO. Was looking forward to these but I'll go for something else I reckon.
In reply to Post #17
I felt the same Onyx is a bit disappointing
I felt the same Onyx is a bit disappointing
In reply to Post #22
Agree that can be scratched but always seems significantly less. The chiltern custom compact rods someone posted the other day look very nice.
Apart from the crap tip eyes I still can't fault my mk2 scopes
Agree that can be scratched but always seems significantly less. The chiltern custom compact rods someone posted the other day look very nice.
Apart from the crap tip eyes I still can't fault my mk2 scopes
The rods look the same colour etc as the stalker range
In reply to Post #24
Stalker is an Olive blank .. Onyx is black
Stalker is an Olive blank .. Onyx is black
In reply to Post #25
Looked green to me lol
I'll put my glasses on and have another look
Looked green to me lol
I'll put my glasses on and have another look
In reply to Post #20
You asked what Free Spirit finish he was on about, I answered. I use Harrison rods so no idea if it's any good or not.
You asked what Free Spirit finish he was on about, I answered. I use Harrison rods so no idea if it's any good or not.
In reply to Post #22
These rods are at the right price for the standard of rod same as sonik xtractor not pretending to be a top end rod priced right for what they are unlike scopes at double the price
These rods are at the right price for the standard of rod same as sonik xtractor not pretending to be a top end rod priced right for what they are unlike scopes at double the price
In reply to Post #28
agreed, but I think ESP missed a trick here .... They have an excellent track record for rods and they should of gone for something more premium
agreed, but I think ESP missed a trick here .... They have an excellent track record for rods and they should of gone for something more premium
In reply to Post #29
Probably sell a shed load of these cheaper ones then conveniently release a higher spec model. I'm sure Cotswold and sonik both did this, nash missed a trick and did it in reverse didn't they?
Probably sell a shed load of these cheaper ones then conveniently release a higher spec model. I'm sure Cotswold and sonik both did this, nash missed a trick and did it in reverse didn't they?
In reply to Post #30
Personally i wouldnt pay premium money for Sonik or Nash and i would never buy from Cotswold rods nowadays .... I would ESP
Personally i wouldnt pay premium money for Sonik or Nash and i would never buy from Cotswold rods nowadays .... I would ESP
In reply to Post #31
I agree with you mate, but Nash has the best range. The 2.25 9 footers and 1 & 2lb sawn offs are great little rods
I agree with you mate, but Nash has the best range. The 2.25 9 footers and 1 & 2lb sawn offs are great little rods
In reply to Post #32
Yep, you gotta hand it to Nash ... that and they were first to market with the concept aswell
Yep, you gotta hand it to Nash ... that and they were first to market with the concept aswell
In reply to Post #32
My 9ft 3lb Scopes have been faultless for boat work, and they just get chucked around. Heavy leads, big weed beds...not a problem. I think most of the bad rep they get from people who haven't used them and just look at the price vs some junk from Sonik.
My 9ft 3lb Scopes have been faultless for boat work, and they just get chucked around. Heavy leads, big weed beds...not a problem. I think most of the bad rep they get from people who haven't used them and just look at the price vs some junk from Sonik.
In reply to Post #34
And some people love to hate, if it ain't nash it's fox or korda etc.
And some people love to hate, if it ain't nash it's fox or korda etc.
In reply to Post #35
Got to agree, i had problems with my 1st set of scopes but i also had issues with the cotswolds so ended up getting some more scopes (9ft 3.25s) and pretty much used them exclusively this year, this set has been faultless and I'm actually pretty astonished with their performance as I've been fishing seriously weedy waters and been using hefty bags up to 70 yards with not one issue. That said I'm looking forwards to seeing the quickdraws as i do love an esp rod lol!
Got to agree, i had problems with my 1st set of scopes but i also had issues with the cotswolds so ended up getting some more scopes (9ft 3.25s) and pretty much used them exclusively this year, this set has been faultless and I'm actually pretty astonished with their performance as I've been fishing seriously weedy waters and been using hefty bags up to 70 yards with not one issue. That said I'm looking forwards to seeing the quickdraws as i do love an esp rod lol!
In reply to Post #33
Nash has come up with some great ideas oval brolly the titan and retractable rods concept and more we all know that
sonik xtractor is a £60 to £70 rod I know it sonik know it so there sold for£60 £70 scopes are a £100 rod being sold for £170 or £180 that's what's being said not comparing xtractor with scopes side by side
So what's being criticised is the price
Nash has come up with some great ideas oval brolly the titan and retractable rods concept and more we all know that
sonik xtractor is a £60 to £70 rod I know it sonik know it so there sold for£60 £70 scopes are a £100 rod being sold for £170 or £180 that's what's being said not comparing xtractor with scopes side by side
So what's being criticised is the price
In reply to Post #37
I think my Scopes were £140 a rod. Not bad value considering the battering they have taken, and they are still going strong.
Have you owned a set of Scopes to judge the quality vs price?
I think my Scopes were £140 a rod. Not bad value considering the battering they have taken, and they are still going strong.
Have you owned a set of Scopes to judge the quality vs price?
In reply to Post #38
Yes I used them I've had a lot of rods over the last 40 odd years of carp fishing from cheap to top end and again I say no one's saying you can't catch a carp on them it's the PRICE that's being questioned
Yes I used them I've had a lot of rods over the last 40 odd years of carp fishing from cheap to top end and again I say no one's saying you can't catch a carp on them it's the PRICE that's being questioned
In reply to Post #37
But who is saying the Scope is a £100 rod....?
But who is saying the Scope is a £100 rod....?
In reply to Post #39
So £140 for a rod with PacBay guides, Fuji seat and a very decent retractable blank is ridiculously priced?
So £140 for a rod with PacBay guides, Fuji seat and a very decent retractable blank is ridiculously priced?
In reply to Post #39
They are £175 to £200 depends on tc at total tackle and ad
They are £175 to £200 depends on tc at total tackle and ad
Sonik also do a higher spec model that's over £100. The £60 model can't be compared to a scope
In reply to Post #43
That's the sonik insurgent not thinking of them You might have missed it if you read the posts as I said not comparing a £60 rod with scopes side by side I am saying to narrow it down that the scopes are imo are overpriced back to the subject the esp quick draw rods look a good price time will tell
That's the sonik insurgent not thinking of them You might have missed it if you read the posts as I said not comparing a £60 rod with scopes side by side I am saying to narrow it down that the scopes are imo are overpriced back to the subject the esp quick draw rods look a good price time will tell
In reply to Post #45
But you are saying scopes cost more than they actually do?! They aren't overpriced when you look at the fittings,blank, and also against comparable rods
But you are saying scopes cost more than they actually do?! They aren't overpriced when you look at the fittings,blank, and also against comparable rods
In reply to Post #46
I going by 10ft scopes on total tackle and ad websites take a look also 9ft 3llb are £185
I going by 10ft scopes on total tackle and ad websites take a look also 9ft 3llb are £185
In reply to Post #47
You can buy them for less elsewhere so your point doesn't really make sense
You can buy them for less elsewhere so your point doesn't really make sense
In reply to Post #48
Daiwa crosscast retractables look a decent rod for the money.
Daiwa crosscast retractables look a decent rod for the money.
In reply to Post #49
Just looked they look good you can't go wrong for £75 and a good company like daiwa they start at £63 bargain
Just looked they look good you can't go wrong for £75 and a good company like daiwa they start at £63 bargain
Looks like Nash are ripping folks off. Not the first time.
In reply to Post #51
Why are Nash ripping people off....
Why are Nash ripping people off....
In reply to Post #52
Because the cost does not reflect the quality.
Are the rods we are taking about built on a Harrison blank / or something similar that's know for quality?
Because the cost does not reflect the quality.
Are the rods we are taking about built on a Harrison blank / or something similar that's know for quality?
In reply to Post #53
You do realise that a Harrison blank can cost what a complete scope costs? And could the same not be said for any rod manufacturer that sells rods over £150?
You do realise that a Harrison blank can cost what a complete scope costs? And could the same not be said for any rod manufacturer that sells rods over £150?
In reply to Post #53
But the Scope is completely different rod....a Dwarf is a better comparison but the Scope is a superior blank. As to whether it is worth the money that is down to the individual but to say Nash are ripping people off is just a cheap shot.
But the Scope is completely different rod....a Dwarf is a better comparison but the Scope is a superior blank. As to whether it is worth the money that is down to the individual but to say Nash are ripping people off is just a cheap shot.
In reply to Post #53
People talk about rod fittings in the early 90s some rod companies starting putting Fuji reel seats on there cheap range to make them more attractive
and as for minimas a lot of rod builder's have said that they like it when people ask for them because they are a cheap ring and they make more money on them and some top rod builders won't use them at all
People talk about rod fittings in the early 90s some rod companies starting putting Fuji reel seats on there cheap range to make them more attractive
and as for minimas a lot of rod builder's have said that they like it when people ask for them because they are a cheap ring and they make more money on them and some top rod builders won't use them at all
In reply to Post #56
Fuji do more than one reel seat.....your points make no sense at all
Fuji do more than one reel seat.....your points make no sense at all
Fuji reel seats are below a tenner, retail. Probably about £1.20 for mass production.
Higher modulus blanks are lighter, have thinner walls, recover quicker and cast (certain loads) better.
Lower modulus costs less and take knocks better but are heavy and sloppy in comparison.
These are really the only differences with these retractable rods and only so many factories make the blanks which is why they're very similar in performance and appearance at each price point across the board.
Higher modulus blanks are lighter, have thinner walls, recover quicker and cast (certain loads) better.
Lower modulus costs less and take knocks better but are heavy and sloppy in comparison.
These are really the only differences with these retractable rods and only so many factories make the blanks which is why they're very similar in performance and appearance at each price point across the board.
In reply to Post #54
Yes, it's not just Nash that are making very high gross profit margins.
Yes, it's not just Nash that are making very high gross profit margins.
In reply to Post #58
Makes sense what you said that's how there made so cheap when someone put a thread up on here sometime ago saying he found scopes to look on alibaba site he couldn't believe the price
Makes sense what you said that's how there made so cheap when someone put a thread up on here sometime ago saying he found scopes to look on alibaba site he couldn't believe the price
In reply to Post #59
So why did you single out nash when EVERY company does the same?
So why did you single out nash when EVERY company does the same?
In reply to Post #60
Order them from Alibaba and see what turns up....
Order them from Alibaba and see what turns up....
In reply to Post #62
As I said some time ago and it was the factory where they are made not a shop
As I said some time ago and it was the factory where they are made not a shop
In reply to Post #63
Or could it be a factory making cheap copies? Like I said, order those Alibaba ones and see what turns up.
Or could it be a factory making cheap copies? Like I said, order those Alibaba ones and see what turns up.
Harrison, century etc. still make a profit. If it wasn't lucrative nobody would make fishing rods and if every manufacturer ran at minimal profit margin there would be no free content available to watch or read.
Even if a rod costs £1 to make but £100 to buy.. spend a few weekends trying to roll blanks or split and whip some cane to make yourself a few rods lol
Even if a rod costs £1 to make but £100 to buy.. spend a few weekends trying to roll blanks or split and whip some cane to make yourself a few rods lol
In reply to Post #61
Because Nash do it to a higher extent, or at least when it comes to these fad 10 ft rods.
Because Nash do it to a higher extent, or at least when it comes to these fad 10 ft rods.
In reply to Post #66
And you'd know about their, and other makers mark ups how exactly? You dont, do you?!
And you'd know about their, and other makers mark ups how exactly? You dont, do you?!
In reply to Post #66
I do remember the Nash hoodie £90
I do remember the Nash hoodie £90
In reply to Post #66
So you know how much nash put in to the design and development of these rods that others have copied in many cases with lower quality carbon blanks and cheaper fittings. Plus nash have invested in promoting them especially when first released. You also claim their profit margins on them are higher than others manufacturers, doubt you can prove that but would be interested if you can, and I do mean prove not just rant off the un substantiated you have been doing. The top man at kawasaki once said its nice to be first to market with a new product but often more profitable to be second with little or no R&D costs.
So you know how much nash put in to the design and development of these rods that others have copied in many cases with lower quality carbon blanks and cheaper fittings. Plus nash have invested in promoting them especially when first released. You also claim their profit margins on them are higher than others manufacturers, doubt you can prove that but would be interested if you can, and I do mean prove not just rant off the un substantiated you have been doing. The top man at kawasaki once said its nice to be first to market with a new product but often more profitable to be second with little or no R&D costs.
In reply to Post #68
And a Nash moon chair thing at 100 quid. Garden centres near me doing them for about a third of the price.
I wonder how much research and development Nash put into designing that one.
And a Nash moon chair thing at 100 quid. Garden centres near me doing them for about a third of the price.
I wonder how much research and development Nash put into designing that one.
In reply to Post #69
Did the man at Kawasaki say this before or after KTM started doing very well.
Did the man at Kawasaki say this before or after KTM started doing very well.
In reply to Post #69
Aren't they a revamped telescopic rod that's been out decades made into two piece
Aren't they a revamped telescopic rod that's been out decades made into two piece
In reply to Post #72
No, they aren't
No, they aren't
In reply to Post #73
I thought They are telescopic the blank goes into the handle
I thought They are telescopic the blank goes into the handle
The reality is, there are only so many ways to make a rod. Doesn't matter if it's made by a Korean, Chinese person, Malaysian or Steve Harrison himself.. the materials and methods are the same.
ESP/drennan have always struck the right balance with sensible assembly, so I'm sure these rods will be great. I expect a higher spec woven blank model if these do well too.
Nash did throw money at this concept and took a bashing. Now they have the best range by far and lead the market others are just tapping into. They deserve to charge a premium for a proven product that set the standard
ESP/drennan have always struck the right balance with sensible assembly, so I'm sure these rods will be great. I expect a higher spec woven blank model if these do well too.
Nash did throw money at this concept and took a bashing. Now they have the best range by far and lead the market others are just tapping into. They deserve to charge a premium for a proven product that set the standard
In reply to Post #75
Completely agree with this. If they weren't so stubborn and admitted that the guides were the wrong way round I'd give them a bit more credit aswell. It is a re invention of the wheel to some extent, but it's turned into something very popular so you can only give nash credit where it is due.
Been lucky enough to see and play about with some of the esp prototype rods, very nice for the price. I actually prefer the blanks to something with a weave, they are nice and light in the hand, well built and I think in bringing out a full range of sleeves, quiver, net etc they will be very popular. If I didn't have some proper 2 piece 10 foot rods I'd look into a set. I will however be looking at one of the nets they look really smart.
Completely agree with this. If they weren't so stubborn and admitted that the guides were the wrong way round I'd give them a bit more credit aswell. It is a re invention of the wheel to some extent, but it's turned into something very popular so you can only give nash credit where it is due.
Been lucky enough to see and play about with some of the esp prototype rods, very nice for the price. I actually prefer the blanks to something with a weave, they are nice and light in the hand, well built and I think in bringing out a full range of sleeves, quiver, net etc they will be very popular. If I didn't have some proper 2 piece 10 foot rods I'd look into a set. I will however be looking at one of the nets they look really smart.
In reply to Post #76
Have the esp ones got short handles like the Nash dwarfs ?
Have the esp ones got short handles like the Nash dwarfs ?
In reply to Post #77
I only saw the 9 footers and the handle wasn't short on them at all. I'll get a measurement for you off my mate when I get 5 minutes.
I only saw the 9 footers and the handle wasn't short on them at all. I'll get a measurement for you off my mate when I get 5 minutes.
In reply to Post #78
ESP about 3/4 years late with this range!
ESP about 3/4 years late with this range!
In reply to Post #79
PS i had a retractable Tri Cast senator extender float rod back in early 90's -its not new.Nash did not invent it just developed it for the carp market.
Cant think of another retractable rod before the Tri Casts? They never fully caught on as being a longer rod they felt unbalanced when fully extended unless you load the handle.
PS i had a retractable Tri Cast senator extender float rod back in early 90's -its not new.Nash did not invent it just developed it for the carp market.
Cant think of another retractable rod before the Tri Casts? They never fully caught on as being a longer rod they felt unbalanced when fully extended unless you load the handle.
In reply to Post #80
Yes I think the scopes are a converted telescope rod can't see all these R and D costs it's a fishing rod and I think your saying that the idea was already there I also agree esp to late with this quick draw gear same as ta haven't bought out 10ft rod sleeves yet was told 2023
Yes I think the scopes are a converted telescope rod can't see all these R and D costs it's a fishing rod and I think your saying that the idea was already there I also agree esp to late with this quick draw gear same as ta haven't bought out 10ft rod sleeves yet was told 2023
In reply to Post #82
Already read it good article
Already read it good article
In reply to Post #82
Very good read..
I'm surprised more people don't use water filters as weight from water is heavy,those Sawyer mini or micro filters are very safe I use the mini...in my bug out at all.times..
I keeping looking at my porterlite,...for long days don't need it,but for a short night I use it..I go minimal anyway..
Im always looking to minimalist thoughts three leads on ,3 spare ,rest in bug out...
I think there is only so far you can go with this,unless you get into Tarpology,and even then unless you can plow point or other it's just as quick under a brolly..
Very good read..
I'm surprised more people don't use water filters as weight from water is heavy,those Sawyer mini or micro filters are very safe I use the mini...in my bug out at all.times..
I keeping looking at my porterlite,...for long days don't need it,but for a short night I use it..I go minimal anyway..
Im always looking to minimalist thoughts three leads on ,3 spare ,rest in bug out...
I think there is only so far you can go with this,unless you get into Tarpology,and even then unless you can plow point or other it's just as quick under a brolly..
In reply to Post #84
That's not Going light 3 spare leads lol
That's not Going light 3 spare leads lol
In reply to Post #85
Also slightly disappointed that they went with them in the Onyx range. If they'd made a 10ft retractable TH rod then I'd rip their arms off
Also slightly disappointed that they went with them in the Onyx range. If they'd made a 10ft retractable TH rod then I'd rip their arms off
In reply to Post #86
yep, the TH blank, Matchpro or Alcolyte blanks and I would of been first in line
yep, the TH blank, Matchpro or Alcolyte blanks and I would of been first in line
Don't think 9 or 10ft rods suit Terry's style of fishing.
In reply to Post #88
Fishing from a boat, dropping from a bait boat and fishing in the edge?
Fishing from a boat, dropping from a bait boat and fishing in the edge?
In reply to Post #89
He has done all of those with his 12ft 9inch classics.
He has done all of those with his 12ft 9inch classics.
In reply to Post #84
I'm with you all the way. Except I have lost six leads in a 48 hour session due to bringing fish in through / over weedbeds so I would have had to go home after day one without any more spare leads.
I'm with you all the way. Except I have lost six leads in a 48 hour session due to bringing fish in through / over weedbeds so I would have had to go home after day one without any more spare leads.
In reply to Post #90
I'm only on the wind up really, I knew you would know which rods he actually used. Was it in the Terry Hearn fanzine, exclusively for Terry Hearn's biggest fans ever?
I'm only on the wind up really, I knew you would know which rods he actually used. Was it in the Terry Hearn fanzine, exclusively for Terry Hearn's biggest fans ever?
In reply to Post #92
Not really a fan, more an esp fan but do love his rods except the 12ft 9 inch distance model. Big fan of the new net and 12ft 3lb classics,
Not really a fan, more an esp fan but do love his rods except the 12ft 9 inch distance model. Big fan of the new net and 12ft 3lb classics,
In reply to Post #91
I know what you mean Mark..
I keep all my leads in my 4x4,....to be honest in the summer,or when weather ok,I drive across fields and park close to the lake,
I'm not a fan of carrying lots of gear ,when I think back I've always been like it,even before the lightweight trend
I know what you mean Mark..
I keep all my leads in my 4x4,....to be honest in the summer,or when weather ok,I drive across fields and park close to the lake,
I'm not a fan of carrying lots of gear ,when I think back I've always been like it,even before the lightweight trend
Video now on you tube
In reply to Post #95
The rods quiver a sleeves net are out loads on eBay
The rods quiver a sleeves net are out loads on eBay
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