In reply to Post #1
They are deathtraps . All threads go the same way. Get good quality clothing, decent shelter, a good bed and bag, and plenty of hot food and drink.
They are deathtraps . All threads go the same way. Get good quality clothing, decent shelter, a good bed and bag, and plenty of hot food and drink.
In reply to Post #2
Thanks, I'll avoid.
Thanks, I'll avoid.
In reply to Post #1
I dunno - this one looks pretty good!
Gasmate Camping Heater
No idea why you'd need such a device in the bleedin outback though . . .not sure why they're not marketed over here?
I dunno - this one looks pretty good!
Gasmate Camping Heater
No idea why you'd need such a device in the bleedin outback though . . .not sure why they're not marketed over here?
In reply to Post #1
Warm clothing, and a hot water bottle for bed and a thermal cover, please don't bother with a bivvy heater!
Warm clothing, and a hot water bottle for bed and a thermal cover, please don't bother with a bivvy heater!
Carbon Monoxide is a silent killer, the only good part is that death is relatively painless.
Heaters inside a bivvy are a recipe for disaster. I've seen some with chimneys that are supposed to help, fancy cutting a hole in yours?
If it's cold enough to need one, the fish ain't feeding, go home, simples!
Heaters inside a bivvy are a recipe for disaster. I've seen some with chimneys that are supposed to help, fancy cutting a hole in yours?
If it's cold enough to need one, the fish ain't feeding, go home, simples!
In reply to Post #6
Not again... People will try to tell you you dont need one because they never been out in - 10, - 15C... CO will not kill you... Being stupid will... Just as gun doesnt kill people... Stupid people do... Get hpv or similar and CO meter for your piece of mind if you wish so and enjoy winter sessions...
Not again... People will try to tell you you dont need one because they never been out in - 10, - 15C... CO will not kill you... Being stupid will... Just as gun doesnt kill people... Stupid people do... Get hpv or similar and CO meter for your piece of mind if you wish so and enjoy winter sessions...
In reply to Post #7
CO will not kill you...
What?????
Why do you think that people who were suicidal used to run a hose from the exhaust into a car? With the advent of catalytic converters, this has made death a more drawn out procedure! Carbon Monoxide latches onto the blood 400 times stronger than Oxygen and prevents the Oxygen getting into your bloodstream. Once your blood is saturated enough, death is inevitable.
Guns don't kill? Play Russian Roulette six times and you'll find out!
CO will not kill you...
What?????
Why do you think that people who were suicidal used to run a hose from the exhaust into a car? With the advent of catalytic converters, this has made death a more drawn out procedure! Carbon Monoxide latches onto the blood 400 times stronger than Oxygen and prevents the Oxygen getting into your bloodstream. Once your blood is saturated enough, death is inevitable.
Guns don't kill? Play Russian Roulette six times and you'll find out!
In reply to Post #8
Put gun on the table and leave it there for 1 month and see how many people the gun will kill... use heater smart and see how many people will be killed... CO and guns dont kill people... stupid people kill people!
Put gun on the table and leave it there for 1 month and see how many people the gun will kill... use heater smart and see how many people will be killed... CO and guns dont kill people... stupid people kill people!
In reply to Post #9
Not worth the risk,with the clothing and bags available now
Not worth the risk,with the clothing and bags available now
In reply to Post #1
As most people have already said ....please don't use heaters in your bivvy overnight
A friend of mine is severly scarred across 1 side of his face down his neck chest and 1 arm think ...Simon Weston
all because he fell asleep in his bivvy with the door closed with his stove on and somehow it was knocked over or something fell on the stove and the bivvy caught fire and literally melted on him luckilly he managed to dive in the lake and this probably saved his life ...20 yrs on and he is still having treatment for this and is on very strong meds to allieviate the pain for the rest of his life ....it really isnt worth it
just out of curiosity are bivvy's sleeping bags etc fire retardent nowadays ?
As most people have already said ....please don't use heaters in your bivvy overnight
A friend of mine is severly scarred across 1 side of his face down his neck chest and 1 arm think ...Simon Weston
all because he fell asleep in his bivvy with the door closed with his stove on and somehow it was knocked over or something fell on the stove and the bivvy caught fire and literally melted on him luckilly he managed to dive in the lake and this probably saved his life ...20 yrs on and he is still having treatment for this and is on very strong meds to allieviate the pain for the rest of his life ....it really isnt worth it just out of curiosity are bivvy's sleeping bags etc fire retardent nowadays ?
Avid do a heated bag
That's got to be a safer way
That's got to be a safer way
In reply to Post #11
Because he used stove stupidly people shouldnt use bivvy heaters designed for heating? Maybe people should stop using stoves when fishing? After all there are thermos for hot water...
Because he used stove stupidly people shouldnt use bivvy heaters designed for heating? Maybe people should stop using stoves when fishing? After all there are thermos for hot water...
In reply to Post #9
Put a gun on the table and it is in nobody's hands, it is not in use.
Put a bivvy heater on, and it is immediately being used.
With a bivvy heater it may not be stupidity, it could be down to being cold.
Too many intelligent people have died from carbon monoxide poisoning.
The sensible answer is always get good clothing and a good sleeping bag that suits you.
The part of me that gets cold is my feet, normally because i forget to get out of damp socks and put clean on.
Even in the middle of winter though the most I wear in the sleeping bag is combat trousers, t-shirt and a light fleece, maybe with a wooly hat as I hate my head being undercover.
Daytime clothing wise, combat trousers, t-shirt with fleece on top then a full zip up fleece and if still cold a jacket and overtrousers.
Boots are TFG Primal Extreme boots for sitting still, Nitehawk combat boots if I'm walking around
Put a gun on the table and it is in nobody's hands, it is not in use.
Put a bivvy heater on, and it is immediately being used.
With a bivvy heater it may not be stupidity, it could be down to being cold.
Too many intelligent people have died from carbon monoxide poisoning.
The sensible answer is always get good clothing and a good sleeping bag that suits you.
The part of me that gets cold is my feet, normally because i forget to get out of damp socks and put clean on.
Even in the middle of winter though the most I wear in the sleeping bag is combat trousers, t-shirt and a light fleece, maybe with a wooly hat as I hate my head being undercover.
Daytime clothing wise, combat trousers, t-shirt with fleece on top then a full zip up fleece and if still cold a jacket and overtrousers.
Boots are TFG Primal Extreme boots for sitting still, Nitehawk combat boots if I'm walking around
In reply to Post #13
A bivvy heater will cause carbon monoxide poisoning, just like a stove.
A bivvy heater will set your bivvy on fire if knocked over, just like a stove.
A stove however is used for a few minutes to boil some water or heat some food. The problem with the heaters is it's too easy to fall asleep with it on. So easy to carelessly kick it over or for something to fall on or near it while you're asleep. That's the difference.
A bivvy heater will cause carbon monoxide poisoning, just like a stove.
A bivvy heater will set your bivvy on fire if knocked over, just like a stove.
A stove however is used for a few minutes to boil some water or heat some food. The problem with the heaters is it's too easy to fall asleep with it on. So easy to carelessly kick it over or for something to fall on or near it while you're asleep. That's the difference.
In reply to Post #15
It only took a second of carelessness 2 weeks ago for me to burn a hole in my bivvy.
I had the stove on for coffee while I went to set the bivvy up. As I pulled the bivvy out of the bag, I dropped it and it unrolled, landing on the stove, burning a hole in it.
I have seen bivvies going up in flames from someone cooking inside, a mate burnt a hole in his sleeping bag when he got up for a run and knocked his bag across the stove.
The thought of a permanently lit flame in my bivvy fills me with dread
It only took a second of carelessness 2 weeks ago for me to burn a hole in my bivvy.
I had the stove on for coffee while I went to set the bivvy up. As I pulled the bivvy out of the bag, I dropped it and it unrolled, landing on the stove, burning a hole in it.
I have seen bivvies going up in flames from someone cooking inside, a mate burnt a hole in his sleeping bag when he got up for a run and knocked his bag across the stove.
The thought of a permanently lit flame in my bivvy fills me with dread
In reply to Post #15
you obviously know nothing about modern bivvy heaters and think bivvy heaters are still those old black cat heaters from 20 years ago... Modern bivvy heaters like seven oaks and similar have oxygen deficiency protection, built in tilt protection and more...
you obviously know nothing about modern bivvy heaters and think bivvy heaters are still those old black cat heaters from 20 years ago... Modern bivvy heaters like seven oaks and similar have oxygen deficiency protection, built in tilt protection and more...
In reply to Post #17
Even with all the safety features are they really worth the risk?They're just a disaster waiting to happen
Even with all the safety features are they really worth the risk?They're just a disaster waiting to happen
In reply to Post #18
as is driving the car down to the lake... that is last one from me, looks like people are not capable of operating even the simplest of devices anymore...
as is driving the car down to the lake... that is last one from me, looks like people are not capable of operating even the simplest of devices anymore...
In reply to Post #19
There is only you who seems to think they are a good idea
There is only you who seems to think they are a good idea
In reply to Post #19
Totally agree
Totally agree
im all for safety with regards heating a bivvy, but i find the "get proper clothes and a proper sleeping bag" line as the answer very patronising and unhelpful, yes it can certainly help, but people feel the cold diffeerently and no amount of clothing/sleeping bag is enough sometimes ,,,, Heaters are perfectly safe to use if used correctly .... ie never sleep (or even go to bed with one on) and keep door open and be careful to not knock over. I lost a colleague to him foolishly running a stove over night with door down, tragic yes, but he should of known better. Treat any heater with the respect it deserves and you should be fine. The other alternative is really to stay at home
In reply to Post #22
Utter ********,im on blood thinners and feel the cold more than most.There is plenty of decent enough gear to keep warm without a bivvy heater
Utter ********,im on blood thinners and feel the cold more than most.There is plenty of decent enough gear to keep warm without a bivvy heater
In reply to Post #23
I dont give a sh*t what your situatuon is .... No-one is suggesting you need to use one and so it is not your right to decide for others who may feel differently
I dont give a sh*t what your situatuon is .... No-one is suggesting you need to use one and so it is not your right to decide for others who may feel differently
In reply to Post #24
Well it seems most are in agreement that they are not needed and are not worth the risk.If you want use one or anyone else good luck to them,it will save your family some money on your cremation
Well it seems most are in agreement that they are not needed and are not worth the risk.If you want use one or anyone else good luck to them,it will save your family some money on your cremation
In reply to Post #25
Such a drama queen
Such a drama queen
In reply to Post #26
In reply to Post #27
I have 2 or 3 tealight candles lit. it takes the edge off and if they dont actually heat the bivvy up it does feel warmer. Nice warm clothes plenty of hot tea and a few candles do it for me.
I have 2 or 3 tealight candles lit. it takes the edge off and if they dont actually heat the bivvy up it does feel warmer. Nice warm clothes plenty of hot tea and a few candles do it for me.
In reply to Post #7
I've been out in -15 and a lot colder than that without any sort of heater,
Wasn't fishing though as you'll probably find any water frozen solid in those temps 😂😂
I've been out in -15 and a lot colder than that without any sort of heater,
Wasn't fishing though as you'll probably find any water frozen solid in those temps 😂😂
i use to fish all winter years ago and i found a thin layer of that crap thin carpet to stop the ground cold and a 2 meter peice of bubble wrap inbetween the inner and outer skin, was the best option, these rolled into the bivvy bag and didnt weigh anything
In reply to Post #30
There must be an electric option out there that would work?
You may need some serious power packs to last long enough, but there are plenty of options on that front.
Do small electric fan heaters really need such huge amounts of power that its forever a complete non starter?
There must be an electric option out there that would work?
You may need some serious power packs to last long enough, but there are plenty of options on that front.
Do small electric fan heaters really need such huge amounts of power that its forever a complete non starter?
In reply to Post #31
The short answer is yes, they are a non starter. Electric heaters require more power than you could supply from a sensibly sized battery.
The short answer is yes, they are a non starter. Electric heaters require more power than you could supply from a sensibly sized battery.
In reply to Post #32
Even the Lithium Ion ones that have replaced the old lead leisure batteries?
Even the Lithium Ion ones that have replaced the old lead leisure batteries?
In reply to Post #33
Yes. I did some research regarding electric cool boxes and using batteries. It was a non starter.
Assuming you are using a 12v device running on 12v DC current from a leisure battery of some sort you will need a heavy lift helicopter for the batteries needed to run a heater for even 24 hours..
In round figures the 12v cool box I wanted run was a 50 watt unit. Divide Watts by volts to get the ampage = 4.8 amps.
To run the cool box for 1 hour will require 4.8 ah(amp hours)
So for 24 hours you will need a 100ah battery. Remember this is for a 50watt device
The wattage of current small portable bivvy/camping heaters seems to go from 800/1200 watts. I don't know how much a 1600 ah battery weighs or how much it would cost. I think way too much is the answer.
Just checked. 300ah battery. £1500 at 35kilos and you would need 5 for 24 hours. Couldn't find a li/ion battery with anywhere near that capacity. Sure the price would be horrendous.
Yes. I did some research regarding electric cool boxes and using batteries. It was a non starter.
Assuming you are using a 12v device running on 12v DC current from a leisure battery of some sort you will need a heavy lift helicopter for the batteries needed to run a heater for even 24 hours..
In round figures the 12v cool box I wanted run was a 50 watt unit. Divide Watts by volts to get the ampage = 4.8 amps.
To run the cool box for 1 hour will require 4.8 ah(amp hours)
So for 24 hours you will need a 100ah battery. Remember this is for a 50watt device
The wattage of current small portable bivvy/camping heaters seems to go from 800/1200 watts. I don't know how much a 1600 ah battery weighs or how much it would cost. I think way too much is the answer.
Just checked. 300ah battery. £1500 at 35kilos and you would need 5 for 24 hours. Couldn't find a li/ion battery with anywhere near that capacity. Sure the price would be horrendous.
In reply to Post #34
Not sure why everyone's ignored my Gasmate Heater post? Its not like I'm waffling or anything . . . .
7-8hr Battery for the hot air / heat exchange mech
Screw in Gas Canister (standard sizes)
Sits OUTSIDE bivvy and vents warm air in
Safety cut offs
Looks pretty safe to me! Can you get them over here?
Not sure why everyone's ignored my Gasmate Heater post? Its not like I'm waffling or anything . . . .
7-8hr Battery for the hot air / heat exchange mech
Screw in Gas Canister (standard sizes)
Sits OUTSIDE bivvy and vents warm air in
Safety cut offs
Looks pretty safe to me! Can you get them over here?
In reply to Post #5
I bought 1 for last Winter, at my age (70) blood has really thinned out and feel the cold more than I used to. Only used it twice for a couple of hours at night, wouldn't dream of leaving it on while I was asleep and it was of no use in the morning, gas cylinders too cold to work! Of course I could have put the gas cylinders in the sleeping bag. Off again this weekend for a week or so, bivvy heater staying at home as is the Mrs, so nothing to keep me warm.
I bought 1 for last Winter, at my age (70) blood has really thinned out and feel the cold more than I used to. Only used it twice for a couple of hours at night, wouldn't dream of leaving it on while I was asleep and it was of no use in the morning, gas cylinders too cold to work! Of course I could have put the gas cylinders in the sleeping bag. Off again this weekend for a week or so, bivvy heater staying at home as is the Mrs, so nothing to keep me warm.
In reply to Post #35
Sorry, not ignoring your suggestion, just answering the battery powered electric heater question.
Can't find a supplier over here. Looks a lot safer than many and would definitely heat a bivvy but expensive to buy and expensive to run. 5/7hours per gas bottle and 7 hours battery life from the built in battery that takes 5 hours to charge. Also pretty big and heavy. Not sure how practical it would be on most GB lakes.
Sorry, not ignoring your suggestion, just answering the battery powered electric heater question.
Can't find a supplier over here. Looks a lot safer than many and would definitely heat a bivvy but expensive to buy and expensive to run. 5/7hours per gas bottle and 7 hours battery life from the built in battery that takes 5 hours to charge. Also pretty big and heavy. Not sure how practical it would be on most GB lakes.
In reply to Post #37
Thanks for the electric heater info, defo a non starter then! :-(
Another option maybe is heated clothing?
Dewalt and Milwaukee have been making heated jackets/gilets/hoodys etc for tradesman for a while.
They are quite pricey when you add a couple of batteries but if you really feel the cold worth looking at.
With Avids heated sleeping bag just coming out its only a matter of time before we see similar heated clothing aimed at the carp angling market.
Thanks for the electric heater info, defo a non starter then! :-(
Another option maybe is heated clothing?
Dewalt and Milwaukee have been making heated jackets/gilets/hoodys etc for tradesman for a while.
They are quite pricey when you add a couple of batteries but if you really feel the cold worth looking at.
With Avids heated sleeping bag just coming out its only a matter of time before we see similar heated clothing aimed at the carp angling market.
In reply to Post #38
only a matter of time before we see similar heated clothing aimed at the carp angling market
Saber are already onto that
SABER CORE HEATED GILET
Sorry just see Carpstar40's link
only a matter of time before we see similar heated clothing aimed at the carp angling market
Saber are already onto that
SABER CORE HEATED GILET
Sorry just see Carpstar40's link
In reply to Post #37
Soz that was not aimed at yourgoodself - just pressed reply on your post due to laziness!
Soz that was not aimed at yourgoodself - just pressed reply on your post due to laziness!
In reply to Post #41
Chap I buy my bait from (Hallum Baits P1 - excellent bait by the way) has a similar set up and fished many a winter at Elstow this way . . .2x 17l buckets of coal did the job for a 48-72hrs session . . . .madness but warm and safe(ish)!
Think the Polish lads have been fishing this way for decades . . .!
Chap I buy my bait from (Hallum Baits P1 - excellent bait by the way) has a similar set up and fished many a winter at Elstow this way . . .2x 17l buckets of coal did the job for a 48-72hrs session . . . .madness but warm and safe(ish)!
Think the Polish lads have been fishing this way for decades . . .!
In reply to Post #43
P1 Is an awsome bait! Pete is a top bloke too !
P1 Is an awsome bait! Pete is a top bloke too !
A bit late to the party on this one but if you need a heater without the dangers have a look at diesel heaters on eBay.
These come in a metal case with a tank for the diesel.
They come with a pipe which can be run into the Bivvy and the heater left outside.
A mate of mine where my boat is moored has one on his boat.
They throw out a fair bit of heat and they are quite compact.
I will try and get down there this weekend and get some pictures of your interested.
Hope that helps.
Legs
These come in a metal case with a tank for the diesel.
They come with a pipe which can be run into the Bivvy and the heater left outside.
A mate of mine where my boat is moored has one on his boat.
They throw out a fair bit of heat and they are quite compact.
I will try and get down there this weekend and get some pictures of your interested.
Hope that helps.
Legs
Before I get shot down in flames in my spitfire..bear with..
There are lots of outdoorsmen, who use various forms of small compact woodburners in there shelters,these are made out of stainless or Ti,if you've the money..
Polish lavuus,and the similar modern versions are designed to accept a flue and spark arrestor through the roof of the shelter,with special heat resistant material around the exhaust pipe..
They are common in many countries amongst bushcraft hunting and shooting people..you don't hear of many dying..
Anyway ,check out TA outdoors or Joe Robinet even lone wolf,or Carlisle 195 ,in YouTube..
I'm not saying make a hole in your tempest roof either lol
Just putting it out there..
BTW,down a local syndicate, we have home made chimaeras
in each swim,with a ready supply of wood stacked up ..
Just saying...
There are lots of outdoorsmen, who use various forms of small compact woodburners in there shelters,these are made out of stainless or Ti,if you've the money..
Polish lavuus,and the similar modern versions are designed to accept a flue and spark arrestor through the roof of the shelter,with special heat resistant material around the exhaust pipe..
They are common in many countries amongst bushcraft hunting and shooting people..you don't hear of many dying..
Anyway ,check out TA outdoors or Joe Robinet even lone wolf,or Carlisle 195 ,in YouTube..
I'm not saying make a hole in your tempest roof either lol
Just putting it out there..
BTW,down a local syndicate, we have home made chimaeras
in each swim,with a ready supply of wood stacked up ..
Just saying...
In reply to Post #46
if one needs a heater...then you tick the list for being a Non carp angler...
end of...lock the thread
if one needs a heater...then you tick the list for being a Non carp angler...
end of...lock the thread
In reply to Post #46
Hot tents
I watch a few of them people too
Hot tents
I watch a few of them people too
In reply to Post #48
Yes the best one I have seen in this country is Kent survival,he's got a canvas tipi,and uses a variety of tipis and tent woodstoves,another great bushcraft guy is Simon,a bloke in the woods,he does similar,cept makes his own Baker tents which would put any RM or OZ tent to shame..
I find the whole process fascinating, including the grub they cook up inside on those stoves..
As a minimalist I wouldn't do it,I'd use my layers,..but I have done winter camping using a UCO firepit,when working on a lakes fencing systems...
It's great to learn about something else.
Yes the best one I have seen in this country is Kent survival,he's got a canvas tipi,and uses a variety of tipis and tent woodstoves,another great bushcraft guy is Simon,a bloke in the woods,he does similar,cept makes his own Baker tents which would put any RM or OZ tent to shame..
I find the whole process fascinating, including the grub they cook up inside on those stoves..
As a minimalist I wouldn't do it,I'd use my layers,..but I have done winter camping using a UCO firepit,when working on a lakes fencing systems...
It's great to learn about something else.
In reply to Post #49
Not a heater but I take a robens timber mesh grill fire pit that packs down to nothing and a few self lighting g fire logs that usually last around 45 minutes and sit outside in awe nice and cozy watching the fire until bed time
Also got a hash bivvy heater with tea lights which is great as a hand warmer in the bivvy ans the trusty hot water bottle
Not a heater but I take a robens timber mesh grill fire pit that packs down to nothing and a few self lighting g fire logs that usually last around 45 minutes and sit outside in awe nice and cozy watching the fire until bed time
Also got a hash bivvy heater with tea lights which is great as a hand warmer in the bivvy ans the trusty hot water bottle
I use one of those mini UCO tea light candle lanterns, gives off no heat whatsoever but gives a nice warm glow in the bivvy which is much nicer than a bivvy light etc, let my clothes do the rest
In reply to Post #51
Try the citronella candle they do,work really well in keeping the mozzies away
Try the citronella candle they do,work really well in keeping the mozzies away
In reply to Post #51
Got one of those that i use with citronella candles to keep the mozzies away.
Mate of mine has the Nash Bivvy Heater that uses 5 tea lights.
Got one of those that i use with citronella candles to keep the mozzies away.
Mate of mine has the Nash Bivvy Heater that uses 5 tea lights.
In reply to Post #45
Would love to see this, sounds a safer option having it outside.
Would love to see this, sounds a safer option having it outside.
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