As per title guys looking to invest for a water but there's a few out which is best
In reply to Post #2
How far from your standing position are you looking to deposit your bait/rig?
How far from your standing position are you looking to deposit your bait/rig?
In reply to Post #2
I've got the Nash bushwhacker and like the option of being able to add extra poles and the spoon with the floats either side make it very stable.
I've got the Nash bushwhacker and like the option of being able to add extra poles and the spoon with the floats either side make it very stable.
In reply to Post #4
Does the scoop screw on those
Does the scoop screw on those
In reply to Post #5
No it's a push fit with a small spring loaded locking button the same as the poles.
No it's a push fit with a small spring loaded locking button the same as the poles.
In reply to Post #1
Bought two Nash Bushwhacker systems as there is a Bait Boat Ban on my waters. Currently at 28.5m but can add extra sections for about a tenner per 1.5m when they eventually come back in stock. I like the Nash One because of the extra sections that can be bought, the floats that give stability on the spoon and the fact that you can attach a deeper chirp and a fishspy to it.
Not used it yet but really impressed with the quality. Small gripe was had to buy the HD carry bag at another £40 but I'm very happy with what I have seen of it.
Bought two Nash Bushwhacker systems as there is a Bait Boat Ban on my waters. Currently at 28.5m but can add extra sections for about a tenner per 1.5m when they eventually come back in stock. I like the Nash One because of the extra sections that can be bought, the floats that give stability on the spoon and the fact that you can attach a deeper chirp and a fishspy to it.
Not used it yet but really impressed with the quality. Small gripe was had to buy the HD carry bag at another £40 but I'm very happy with what I have seen of it.
In reply to Post #7
I must have been lucky as I've just managed to pick up another 12 poles.
I must have been lucky as I've just managed to pick up another 12 poles.
In reply to Post #8
Where from mate?
Where from mate?
In reply to Post #9
Local Tackle shop, he got 30 in and me and a mate had 12 each and the others didn't hang around long.
Local Tackle shop, he got 30 in and me and a mate had 12 each and the others didn't hang around long.
A good diy option on youtube 
https://youtu.be/BFBmbTFo6jw
https://youtu.be/BFBmbTFo6jw
In reply to Post #11
I'm going to have a crack at a DIY job. Won't cost that much for materials. Rather do that than spend a fair whack and find i don't use it.
I'm going to have a crack at a DIY job. Won't cost that much for materials. Rather do that than spend a fair whack and find i don't use it.
I've got the Nash Bushwhacker and its brilliant
I've got 30 extensions in total so I can go out 45m which is about as far as I think you can take it before it turns into a snake
Completely useless in any wind though once you go past about 30m .... the Only thing I've had to do is remember what side I've put the lead and line in ... It's a right p*ss off to twist it the wrong way and see the line wrapped around it !!
I sold my bait boat as the waters im on have a ban and wished I'd been able to get one of these ages ago ..... It's brilliant although only had it about 1 year so no idea what the longevity of the spring-loaded clips is
I've got 30 extensions in total so I can go out 45m which is about as far as I think you can take it before it turns into a snake
Completely useless in any wind though once you go past about 30m .... the Only thing I've had to do is remember what side I've put the lead and line in ... It's a right p*ss off to twist it the wrong way and see the line wrapped around it !!
I sold my bait boat as the waters im on have a ban and wished I'd been able to get one of these ages ago ..... It's brilliant although only had it about 1 year so no idea what the longevity of the spring-loaded clips is
I made myself a 20m pole for £50. (£18 of that was for the Cygnet Bait Spoon and Pole Float) Works a treat.
In reply to Post #14
What did you make that out off?
What did you make that out off?
In reply to Post #15
I used 20mm conduit from ScrewFix.
I also bought male and female connectors then used welding solvent to glue them on each end of each section. So each section has to be screwed together when shipping out rather than pushed on, but I havent found it an issue at all to be honest.
For piece of mind (although not really needed) I plugged each end of the conduit with foam to create an air tight cavity in each section.
Used an old brass landing net pole threaded connector for the end bit to screw the baiting spoon into, glueed that in with some marine weld.
So all the components including the two types of glue came to under £50. Only thng you need to 'acquire' is the threaded connector
All the sections sit neatly on the outside of Korda Compaq rod holdall and I just chuck the spoon and float in my bait bag.
Quite a bit of dosh saved which I can spend on bait to put into the bait spoon
I used 20mm conduit from ScrewFix.
I also bought male and female connectors then used welding solvent to glue them on each end of each section. So each section has to be screwed together when shipping out rather than pushed on, but I havent found it an issue at all to be honest.
For piece of mind (although not really needed) I plugged each end of the conduit with foam to create an air tight cavity in each section.
Used an old brass landing net pole threaded connector for the end bit to screw the baiting spoon into, glueed that in with some marine weld.
So all the components including the two types of glue came to under £50. Only thng you need to 'acquire' is the threaded connector
All the sections sit neatly on the outside of Korda Compaq rod holdall and I just chuck the spoon and float in my bait bag.
Quite a bit of dosh saved which I can spend on bait to put into the bait spoon
I should say, I used pipe lagging foam that I cut out and not expanding foam which I have seen being used!
In reply to Post #17
I've just ordered components... whilst laid up I'm going to make 1 during the week...starting with 18m
I've just ordered components... whilst laid up I'm going to make 1 during the week...starting with 18m
Good luck making them, that's exactly what I was going to do until I saw one of the guys on our lake with a bushwhacker and he said go on have a play with it and that was it I was sold. Let us know how you get on because I know the outlay for a bushwhacker isn't for everyone and ingenuity is a great thing on this forum.
In reply to Post #13
I took mine out today for the first time, 28.5m. Wow seriously impressed with it. I put a Nash net float on it just below the spoon as I had it filled to the brim with particle and crushed boilie.
Must admit I love it. Took it on a narrow stretch of one of my club waters and thought it would stretch to the other side but easily 20m short.
Yes it's a bit snake like but surprised how easy it was to use.
Now if I can only find another 20m lol
I took mine out today for the first time, 28.5m. Wow seriously impressed with it. I put a Nash net float on it just below the spoon as I had it filled to the brim with particle and crushed boilie.
Must admit I love it. Took it on a narrow stretch of one of my club waters and thought it would stretch to the other side but easily 20m short.
Yes it's a bit snake like but surprised how easy it was to use.
Now if I can only find another 20m lol
Posted up a link to a YouTube vid on another post of a fella showing you how to make a baiting pole out of plastic conduit and Male and female threaded connectors.. looks like he weren't the only one to have the same idea.. 
In reply to Post #20
Could you stick a pic up of it packed for transport?
I like the idea of them but they sound very bulky
Could you stick a pic up of it packed for transport?
I like the idea of them but they sound very bulky
Personally I can't see the male female lasting that long to be honest
Much better off using stainless bolts and nuts,I posted last year on how I made my marker poles using them I got them from vital parts.co.U.K.
Much better off using stainless bolts and nuts,I posted last year on how I made my marker poles using them I got them from vital parts.co.U.K.
In reply to Post #23
I've just got my screwfix bits to do 24 m its a bit of cheap fun and ive a couple of situations 18m will give a big advantage and easy to add more. I see comments about the screw fitting not lasting long they seem ok and not exactly under much pressure and if there is an issue you cut an inch off slide on another for £2.. Personally I'd much rather that than shatter the end of a section of carbon and have seen how thin some of them are that would be a major concern to me it can be so brittle. Only time will tell ... i can see the moving the lengths around more of an issue .
I've just got my screwfix bits to do 24 m its a bit of cheap fun and ive a couple of situations 18m will give a big advantage and easy to add more. I see comments about the screw fitting not lasting long they seem ok and not exactly under much pressure and if there is an issue you cut an inch off slide on another for £2.. Personally I'd much rather that than shatter the end of a section of carbon and have seen how thin some of them are that would be a major concern to me it can be so brittle. Only time will tell ... i can see the moving the lengths around more of an issue .
In reply to Post #22
I didn't take a piccy of it filled up, but I did take a piccy of it set up. I basically had 3, 9m sections made up behind me so I could attach the front spoon section and ship it out to reach 28.5m easily. Also had a padded mat on the ground to perch off and a 10 and 17 litre bucket right next to the launch spot. That spoon was absolutely rammed each time I sent it out and the Nash float which I'm not sure I necessarily needed provided a bit of extra buoyancy.
I have a big dried dogfood scoop and that heaped with hemp and corn nearly filled it allowing a sprinkle of boilie crumb and shrimp/krill pellet over the top. I could just sit my rig in it then and ship it out. What I would say is you need to keep your eye on the spoon whilst your attaching the sections so it all stays level and doesn't tip over.
Has to be one of the best bits of gear I've ever bought and I will be buying more sections to get it to 40m.
Post edit. I'm also thinking about some sort of screw in ground pole roller system to keep it just slightly elevated off the floor and keep it free of mud and such. I might make something up at 2m centres.
I also have a chirp and fishspy arm fixing for it as another water I want to use it on this year is very weedy and a camera/sonar looking down will be quite handy.
I didn't take a piccy of it filled up, but I did take a piccy of it set up. I basically had 3, 9m sections made up behind me so I could attach the front spoon section and ship it out to reach 28.5m easily. Also had a padded mat on the ground to perch off and a 10 and 17 litre bucket right next to the launch spot. That spoon was absolutely rammed each time I sent it out and the Nash float which I'm not sure I necessarily needed provided a bit of extra buoyancy.
I have a big dried dogfood scoop and that heaped with hemp and corn nearly filled it allowing a sprinkle of boilie crumb and shrimp/krill pellet over the top. I could just sit my rig in it then and ship it out. What I would say is you need to keep your eye on the spoon whilst your attaching the sections so it all stays level and doesn't tip over.
Has to be one of the best bits of gear I've ever bought and I will be buying more sections to get it to 40m.
Post edit. I'm also thinking about some sort of screw in ground pole roller system to keep it just slightly elevated off the floor and keep it free of mud and such. I might make something up at 2m centres.
I also have a chirp and fishspy arm fixing for it as another water I want to use it on this year is very weedy and a camera/sonar looking down will be quite handy.
In reply to Post #25
Can't wait to get out and have a go with mine, I've got the arm for the deeper and have just ordered another 8 poles which will take me up to the 30 poles when the next lot arrive.
Can't wait to get out and have a go with mine, I've got the arm for the deeper and have just ordered another 8 poles which will take me up to the 30 poles when the next lot arrive.
i made my own from screwfix conduit. 30m pole with the spoon cost around 40-50 quid.
cheap as chips for very good. i didnt bother using any expanding foam on mine and it works a treat.
cheap as chips for very good. i didnt bother using any expanding foam on mine and it works a treat.
how much are people paying for the extensions?? I've just paid 159 for the bushwacker, but been quoted 140 from another shop for 10 spare sections...if that's the case I might aswel buy another complete buswacker
In reply to Post #28
Andy, I bought TWO bushwhacker systems because I couldn't find any extensions. I was alright with that as I've now got a spare spoon and a spare handle section - actually one of those will be set up as a 'reconnaissance spoon' with both a deeper and fishspy arm for both devices.
I haven't seen any spare sections available yet but I have some email alerts set up from various places once they do come up as I want another 11.
When they come back in stock you should be looking between a tenner and 12 pounds for a 1.5m section, but I did see a shop on ebay very recently carve a set up and flog the sections at £25 each and they ALL sold
Andy, I bought TWO bushwhacker systems because I couldn't find any extensions. I was alright with that as I've now got a spare spoon and a spare handle section - actually one of those will be set up as a 'reconnaissance spoon' with both a deeper and fishspy arm for both devices.
I haven't seen any spare sections available yet but I have some email alerts set up from various places once they do come up as I want another 11.
When they come back in stock you should be looking between a tenner and 12 pounds for a 1.5m section, but I did see a shop on ebay very recently carve a set up and flog the sections at £25 each and they ALL sold
there's a shop with stock that have quoted me 140 delivered but for 19 quid more I can get a whole new one,not sure what to do
In reply to Post #30
I'd get the new system for the spare spoon personally. I paid a bit more than that.
I'd get the new system for the spare spoon personally. I paid a bit more than that.
In reply to Post #30
Infact Andy, drop me a PM with the shop details if you do go the whole system route.
Cheers bud.
Infact Andy, drop me a PM with the shop details if you do go the whole system route.
Cheers bud.
In reply to Post #31
but also the shop that done it for 159 said they would sort me out a good price just for the 10 sections when they get stock so not sure what to do.
but also the shop that done it for 159 said they would sort me out a good price just for the 10 sections when they get stock so not sure what to do.
In reply to Post #33
You could be waiting forever for the spare sections to come in that's the issue. If you want it now and it's only £19 more for the full system with an extra spoon I know what I'd do.
You could be waiting forever for the spare sections to come in that's the issue. If you want it now and it's only £19 more for the full system with an extra spoon I know what I'd do.
In reply to Post #34
I have the Bushwacker pole and have used it up to 45m. However any sort of side breeze on the lake and it becomes very hard to be accurate.
As said below a net float is a good idea. Nash rate it to ‘about a kilo' but no way in my opinion without extra buoyancy.
I have the Bushwacker pole and have used it up to 45m. However any sort of side breeze on the lake and it becomes very hard to be accurate.
As said below a net float is a good idea. Nash rate it to ‘about a kilo' but no way in my opinion without extra buoyancy.
In reply to Post #35
Just another point I noticed when using long pre-assembled sections, 9m in my case. On feeding the sections back up the bank on the retrieve, I noticed the poles were sliding along picking mud up which was entering the sections making it difficult to attach on the next use.
Ideally it needs to be kept off the ground slightly elevated where you're picking up bits of dirt going inside the pole.
To combat this I have just bought three of these 8" rollers which are only £12 each and in my case I'll set them up at 3m centres so the poles never touch the muddy bank and just 'roll out' and in again much more easily.
Just another point I noticed when using long pre-assembled sections, 9m in my case. On feeding the sections back up the bank on the retrieve, I noticed the poles were sliding along picking mud up which was entering the sections making it difficult to attach on the next use.
Ideally it needs to be kept off the ground slightly elevated where you're picking up bits of dirt going inside the pole.
To combat this I have just bought three of these 8" rollers which are only £12 each and in my case I'll set them up at 3m centres so the poles never touch the muddy bank and just 'roll out' and in again much more easily.
In reply to Post #35
I found locking the lead into the groove at the back of the spoon makes it much easier to control and I've used mine to 35 metres so far.
I found locking the lead into the groove at the back of the spoon makes it much easier to control and I've used mine to 35 metres so far.
In reply to Post #36
So you'll have three of those things, two tripods, tablet, mobile phone, fishspy and a deeper and a double length baiting pole on the go in your swim? You should sell tickets, I'd watch the show
So you'll have three of those things, two tripods, tablet, mobile phone, fishspy and a deeper and a double length baiting pole on the go in your swim? You should sell tickets, I'd watch the show
In reply to Post #38
I'm reading all this with increasing disbelief and amazement. 50+ metre baiting poles that are clip together, that's 25 6ft sections, Aren't we getting a bit carried away. How do you carry it, how long does it all take, how heavy is it. This is a new competitive sport not a baiting aid.
If its your thing, great, who am I to judge. But this is not carp fishing as we know it. No wonder Nashy is doing well. Let's solve a minor problem by creating 20 more.
Can't wait to get out and see all this in action.
I'm reading all this with increasing disbelief and amazement. 50+ metre baiting poles that are clip together, that's 25 6ft sections, Aren't we getting a bit carried away. How do you carry it, how long does it all take, how heavy is it. This is a new competitive sport not a baiting aid.
If its your thing, great, who am I to judge. But this is not carp fishing as we know it. No wonder Nashy is doing well. Let's solve a minor problem by creating 20 more.
Can't wait to get out and see all this in action.
In reply to Post #39
1.5 m sections
Ive got 30 and they just about fit in the bag that you can buy
Does not weigh much for what it enables me to do ... Takes me about 3 minutes to get setup and about 5 min to pack away
I can put a rig and bait on a spot perfectly (as long as not to windy) .. No regrets buying the Bushwacker at all
When you say "if its your thing" which is such a dismissive statement of anyone not fishing your way is inferior somehow ?
Its all about enjoyment at the end of the day and I enjoy using a baiting spoon
It is honestly very easy to use and a great bit of kit .. quick question but would you say something like this to a match angler using a pole with the bait cup attached
1.5 m sections
Ive got 30 and they just about fit in the bag that you can buy
Does not weigh much for what it enables me to do ... Takes me about 3 minutes to get setup and about 5 min to pack away
I can put a rig and bait on a spot perfectly (as long as not to windy) .. No regrets buying the Bushwacker at all
When you say "if its your thing" which is such a dismissive statement of anyone not fishing your way is inferior somehow ?
Its all about enjoyment at the end of the day and I enjoy using a baiting spoon
It is honestly very easy to use and a great bit of kit .. quick question but would you say something like this to a match angler using a pole with the bait cup attached
In reply to Post #38
24v Power Porter and a good sized swim are you saying its not possible?
24v Power Porter and a good sized swim are you saying its not possible?
In reply to Post #40
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In reply to Post #40
Couple of things to clear up. I wasn't being dismissive, if you want or need a 50 metre baiting pole then go for it, buy it or make it and use it. It is not for me to say. I just think 50 metres is overkill and think it could be quite amusing to watch one in use. Learning to laugh at ourselves is a good thing.
The matchmen I watch using poles are practising a specific angling technique with their swim, ancillary kit like seat boxes, rollers and rests all set up enable them to use the pole and get the best out of it. Their whole session is focused on using a high tec carbon pole to feed, and fish super accurately and be in absolute control of the bait, then hook and land the fish. They also usually fish at much more manageable ranges than 50 metres with poles that are light enough and stiff enough to hold off the water. Hence the cost of thousands.
I own and use a telescopic 18m carbon baiting pole from the Tackle Box which with the extension kit will go to 25m. Had to learn how to use it, amusing and at times frustrating, to say the least. It's something I use occasionally. When being carried or not in use its a tube 5ft long and 2.5 ins wide that will strap to the side or fit into a rod tube or holdall. Really useful bit of kit on its day. Still think watching somebody try and use 50 metres of bendy pole will be a sight to behold. In many swims just getting it down to the lake and assembling it will be worth watching.
Couple of things to clear up. I wasn't being dismissive, if you want or need a 50 metre baiting pole then go for it, buy it or make it and use it. It is not for me to say. I just think 50 metres is overkill and think it could be quite amusing to watch one in use. Learning to laugh at ourselves is a good thing.
The matchmen I watch using poles are practising a specific angling technique with their swim, ancillary kit like seat boxes, rollers and rests all set up enable them to use the pole and get the best out of it. Their whole session is focused on using a high tec carbon pole to feed, and fish super accurately and be in absolute control of the bait, then hook and land the fish. They also usually fish at much more manageable ranges than 50 metres with poles that are light enough and stiff enough to hold off the water. Hence the cost of thousands.
I own and use a telescopic 18m carbon baiting pole from the Tackle Box which with the extension kit will go to 25m. Had to learn how to use it, amusing and at times frustrating, to say the least. It's something I use occasionally. When being carried or not in use its a tube 5ft long and 2.5 ins wide that will strap to the side or fit into a rod tube or holdall. Really useful bit of kit on its day. Still think watching somebody try and use 50 metres of bendy pole will be a sight to behold. In many swims just getting it down to the lake and assembling it will be worth watching.
In reply to Post #43
Look on YouTube, there's a clip of a bloke shipping one out to 76 metres pretty accurately.
Look on YouTube, there's a clip of a bloke shipping one out to 76 metres pretty accurately.
In reply to Post #44
Why? I can cast 76 metres pretty accurately. Being an occasional baiting pole user, the thought of hassle and ball ache feeding and dropping a rig at 76 metres or even 50 metres is beyond my understanding. Want to enjoy my fishing. If you can't get it pinpoint accurate why bother with a pole.
Why? I can cast 76 metres pretty accurately. Being an occasional baiting pole user, the thought of hassle and ball ache feeding and dropping a rig at 76 metres or even 50 metres is beyond my understanding. Want to enjoy my fishing. If you can't get it pinpoint accurate why bother with a pole.
In reply to Post #45
Personally I like the fact that I can place both a rig and nearly a kilo of bait including a good squirt of liquid directly over the rig exactly where I want within reason relatively stealthily e.g. without using a spod and peppering the area. Bait boats are not allowed on many lakes so I guess there would be less of a take up of poles if they were.
They're a tool like other tools, shouldn't be abused but if they give you a small edge and folks want to use of them then what's the harm.
Personally I like the fact that I can place both a rig and nearly a kilo of bait including a good squirt of liquid directly over the rig exactly where I want within reason relatively stealthily e.g. without using a spod and peppering the area. Bait boats are not allowed on many lakes so I guess there would be less of a take up of poles if they were.
They're a tool like other tools, shouldn't be abused but if they give you a small edge and folks want to use of them then what's the harm.
In reply to Post #46
the tackle box are advertising they have spare sections in stock now
the tackle box are advertising they have spare sections in stock now
In reply to Post #47
Great call, just got 11 from them
Great call, just got 11 from them
In reply to Post #46
Absolutely agree. Still think watching someone using a 50/75metre pole will be endlessly amusing.
Absolutely agree. Still think watching someone using a 50/75metre pole will be endlessly amusing.
just ordered 10 sections for 120 from hull angling
In reply to Post #45
I bet you can't cast it under a overhanging tree at 76 metres
I bet you can't cast it under a overhanging tree at 76 metres
Using my Nash pole today extended to 20 sections (far bank snag tree), went out fine first thing scoop of crumb, pellet and rig perfectly dropped on the edge of the tree. Couple of hours later locked up rod gave a series of bleeps that I struck to find nothing on the end. Reeled in to redo rod with pole, breeze had got up but shipping out still ‘manageable, nearly there when right hand rod fishing open water burst into life! Dropped pole and played fish during the fight the said pole was ‘snaking' uncontrollably on the surface caught by the stiffening wind. Luckily I landed a nice scaley mirror but what a 2 and 8 with the pole! Note winds will limit distance and accuracy of your baiting pole if you going across open water 
Michael
Michael
In reply to Post #51
That's true but I can have fun trying and on the odd occasion when I do, man that feels good.
Hope baiting poles don't get banned due to the excesses of a minority fishing dangerously in inappropriate spots using ridiculously long poles to overcome bait boat bans. Said bans being due to the same dangerous practices.
That's true but I can have fun trying and on the odd occasion when I do, man that feels good.
Hope baiting poles don't get banned due to the excesses of a minority fishing dangerously in inappropriate spots using ridiculously long poles to overcome bait boat bans. Said bans being due to the same dangerous practices.
In reply to Post #53
I've used a baiting pole for around the last 10 years , and with out a doubt its caught me a lot of bonus fish,
I've never used it in open water though, as I've never seen the benefit of that, preferring to use it in areas where you just can't cast like under over hanging trees or bushes.
When I first started using one I never saw anyone else with one on my water, this made it even more deadly as there were areas the fish felt safe to be in that no one else fished.
In my opinion some waters are perfect to use a pole on, and it can be deadly, and others it is of limited benefit.
I've used a baiting pole for around the last 10 years , and with out a doubt its caught me a lot of bonus fish,
I've never used it in open water though, as I've never seen the benefit of that, preferring to use it in areas where you just can't cast like under over hanging trees or bushes.
When I first started using one I never saw anyone else with one on my water, this made it even more deadly as there were areas the fish felt safe to be in that no one else fished.
In my opinion some waters are perfect to use a pole on, and it can be deadly, and others it is of limited benefit.
In reply to Post #54
It's funny how quickly the bird life has worked it out, the swans on one of my lakes only drift over once there are a few sections out, sometimes they wait, if it's too deep they just eat it out the spoon as it's going out, hilarious 😆
It's funny how quickly the bird life has worked it out, the swans on one of my lakes only drift over once there are a few sections out, sometimes they wait, if it's too deep they just eat it out the spoon as it's going out, hilarious 😆
just a couple of newbie baiting pole questions, I'm planning on fishing 3oz inline leads on a leadfree leader,semi stiff hooklink with a balanced hookbait, when you guys drop the rig/bait do you drop it on a slack line? do you worry about it tangling on the leader on the way down?? obviously if I tighten up to fel the drop I'm not going to be fishing over my bait depending on depth.
do you pva foam the hook and bait ?
many thanks for your help guys
do you pva foam the hook and bait ?
many thanks for your help guys
In reply to Post #56
Wouldn't worry. The numbers say 2.8ins dropback on a tight line fishing in 6ft of water at 25yds. Can't argue with Pythagoras although I'm sure there are some on here who will try.
Wouldn't worry. The numbers say 2.8ins dropback on a tight line fishing in 6ft of water at 25yds. Can't argue with Pythagoras although I'm sure there are some on here who will try.
In reply to Post #57
Id bet this is the exact scenario that led pythagoras to his theorem, how many feet short should I spod at 80 wraps lol
But he would have been wrong as the line doesn't move through the water in a straight line, the drop back will be a lot more
I wonder if there's a Rob Hughes vid on it?
Id bet this is the exact scenario that led pythagoras to his theorem, how many feet short should I spod at 80 wraps lol
But he would have been wrong as the line doesn't move through the water in a straight line, the drop back will be a lot more
I wonder if there's a Rob Hughes vid on it?
In reply to Post #57
I'm more concerned with tangling tbh
I'm more concerned with tangling tbh
In reply to Post #59
That's why I'm saying don't worry about a few inches. Just feel it down and catch.
That's why I'm saying don't worry about a few inches. Just feel it down and catch.
In reply to Post #58
You are absolutely right, it describes the arc of a circle which Pythagoras was well aware of.
Have seen the Rob Hughes vid. Very poor and innacurate science.
Not arguing out something that has been proved and used for thousands of years. Go your own way and do your own thing. As a clue you need to know range and depth.
You are absolutely right, it describes the arc of a circle which Pythagoras was well aware of.
Have seen the Rob Hughes vid. Very poor and innacurate science.
Not arguing out something that has been proved and used for thousands of years. Go your own way and do your own thing. As a clue you need to know range and depth.
In reply to Post #61
I'm pretty well versed when it comes to pythagoras, I use it a lot for work, not applicable in this case tho.
If you want that tight a presentation a pva bag would be the answer
I'm pretty well versed when it comes to pythagoras, I use it a lot for work, not applicable in this case tho.
If you want that tight a presentation a pva bag would be the answer
In reply to Post #62
OK I'll bite. Why is it not applicable?
OK I'll bite. Why is it not applicable?
In reply to Post #63
As I said, the line doesn't sink in a straight line, you could calculate the hypotenuse of the distance/depth triangle, but drop miles short because the lead is on the deck before 2 thirds of the line has cut through the surface tension. The lead drops in a much shorter arc
As I said, the line doesn't sink in a straight line, you could calculate the hypotenuse of the distance/depth triangle, but drop miles short because the lead is on the deck before 2 thirds of the line has cut through the surface tension. The lead drops in a much shorter arc
In reply to Post #64
and that's why the line is always slack a few seconds later - it would remain tight if the line remained straight as it sank
and that's why the line is always slack a few seconds later - it would remain tight if the line remained straight as it sank
In reply to Post #56
Hi Andy, I've been using poles pretty much exclusively for the last 4-5 seasons, using in-lines, esp tugsten soft/semi-stiff and do both methods of holding on a tight line and letting it just drop.
Both have worked no problems though given the choice I prefer to hold just because that's generally how I'd fish with a rod and my confidence.
Interestingly with regards lead dropping back when holding the line what I witnessed fishing at just 10ft out in approximately 5-6 feet which is 90% of my fishing the lead actually finished half a foot off the front of the baited patch, so well worth doing your own tests as a lot will depend on how you drop it with the tight line, just holding it or following it down slightly etc.
I don't bother with pva at all.
Edit. The bait finished half a foot off the baited patch.
Hi Andy, I've been using poles pretty much exclusively for the last 4-5 seasons, using in-lines, esp tugsten soft/semi-stiff and do both methods of holding on a tight line and letting it just drop.
Both have worked no problems though given the choice I prefer to hold just because that's generally how I'd fish with a rod and my confidence.
Interestingly with regards lead dropping back when holding the line what I witnessed fishing at just 10ft out in approximately 5-6 feet which is 90% of my fishing the lead actually finished half a foot off the front of the baited patch, so well worth doing your own tests as a lot will depend on how you drop it with the tight line, just holding it or following it down slightly etc.
I don't bother with pva at all.
Edit. The bait finished half a foot off the baited patch.
In reply to Post #66
The nearer together the depth and range figures are, the greater the drop back. In this case on a tight line I would expect a drop back of 18 inches on a genuinely tight line. At 10ft range in 10 ft depth the lead will swing back right to your feet. Really tight close range margin fishing sets up its own problems.
The nearer together the depth and range figures are, the greater the drop back. In this case on a tight line I would expect a drop back of 18 inches on a genuinely tight line. At 10ft range in 10 ft depth the lead will swing back right to your feet. Really tight close range margin fishing sets up its own problems.
In reply to Post #64
I agree there are other factors involved when applying mathematical formula to practical uses. The point I am making is that drop back on the lead is in most cases negligible and not worth worrying about and in fact excessive dropback is caused by poor casting skills.
If you cast out unclipped and do not stop the lead either and everything lands in a heap, to all intents and purposes the lead will fall vertically in the water with no drop back.
If you cast out clipped up and hit the clip perfectly and feel the lead down on a tight line without drawing it back and you get the rod in the rest without having to tighten up ( perfect cast) then the dropback figure will be close to the pythagorean value.
However most of us most of the time aren't perfect. We don't quite hit the clip, we hit it too hard, we draw back the lead when feeling it down. If you are using a clip and you have to tighten up to the lead that's the distance from the bait your lead has landed pretty much.
My point is that dropback caused by the laws of physics is inches not feet in most fishing situations ie 60yards into 8ft and the longer the range the less it is. Ignore it. Its not an excuse. Get your casting and control right and have sensible targets and enjoy.
Forget all the "I was fishing at 30 wraps on a clear spot the size of a dustbin lid, both my rigs went down sweet, one at the front, one at the back and I put 6 spombs spot on" Nobody is because nobody can. Its self delusion.
I agree there are other factors involved when applying mathematical formula to practical uses. The point I am making is that drop back on the lead is in most cases negligible and not worth worrying about and in fact excessive dropback is caused by poor casting skills.
If you cast out unclipped and do not stop the lead either and everything lands in a heap, to all intents and purposes the lead will fall vertically in the water with no drop back.
If you cast out clipped up and hit the clip perfectly and feel the lead down on a tight line without drawing it back and you get the rod in the rest without having to tighten up ( perfect cast) then the dropback figure will be close to the pythagorean value.
However most of us most of the time aren't perfect. We don't quite hit the clip, we hit it too hard, we draw back the lead when feeling it down. If you are using a clip and you have to tighten up to the lead that's the distance from the bait your lead has landed pretty much.
My point is that dropback caused by the laws of physics is inches not feet in most fishing situations ie 60yards into 8ft and the longer the range the less it is. Ignore it. Its not an excuse. Get your casting and control right and have sensible targets and enjoy.
Forget all the "I was fishing at 30 wraps on a clear spot the size of a dustbin lid, both my rigs went down sweet, one at the front, one at the back and I put 6 spombs spot on" Nobody is because nobody can. Its self delusion.
In reply to Post #68
I'm lucky if I can get it all on half a tennis court let alone a bin lid
I'm lucky if I can get it all on half a tennis court let alone a bin lid
In reply to Post #68
If it works for you then carry on, I can't see many getting the calculator out and trying to remember their year 7 homework
As I say, Ive used the formula a lot when doing roofs, it's an easy calculation, but I don't think it's applicable in fishing.
If I want rig and bait together, and not tangled I'd use pva or mold the lot in a ball of groundbait
If I didn't want pinpoint accuracy I wouldn't faf about with a baiting pole
If it works for you then carry on, I can't see many getting the calculator out and trying to remember their year 7 homework
As I say, Ive used the formula a lot when doing roofs, it's an easy calculation, but I don't think it's applicable in fishing.
If I want rig and bait together, and not tangled I'd use pva or mold the lot in a ball of groundbait
If I didn't want pinpoint accuracy I wouldn't faf about with a baiting pole
In reply to Post #70
Exactly my point. Forget drop back. For pinpoint accuracy you need a pole or boat. Also agree for bait and feed together when casting PVA is the answer.
There is no point trying to allow for drop back when casting. Be realistic. After falling through the water column, bit of undertow, bird activity, feeding fish, minor casting innacuracies you are fishing to a circle of bait 6,8,10 ft wide with fish moving in and out. Bang your bait out, cleanish drop, enjoy.
Only exception very short range, very deep water. Need to think about that one.
Exactly my point. Forget drop back. For pinpoint accuracy you need a pole or boat. Also agree for bait and feed together when casting PVA is the answer.
There is no point trying to allow for drop back when casting. Be realistic. After falling through the water column, bit of undertow, bird activity, feeding fish, minor casting innacuracies you are fishing to a circle of bait 6,8,10 ft wide with fish moving in and out. Bang your bait out, cleanish drop, enjoy.
Only exception very short range, very deep water. Need to think about that one.
In reply to Post #56
I nearly always use foam ,and pinch the line next to the rod if its on the rests, or pinch the line next to the pole if I'm not near the rod.
I know others lift the rod and feel the lead down, I find the method above the easiest 👌
I nearly always use foam ,and pinch the line next to the rod if its on the rests, or pinch the line next to the pole if I'm not near the rod.
I know others lift the rod and feel the lead down, I find the method above the easiest 👌
My new bushwhacker pole has just turned up. Looks good. Hopefully not long to wait for the 10 addidtional poles I've already ordered.
The uses are only limited by your ingenuity IMO. The package is v small for the kit as well so what's not to like
The uses are only limited by your ingenuity IMO. The package is v small for the kit as well so what's not to like
In reply to Post #73
very small,the delivery guy nearly knocked out the mrs and dog lifting it in the house 🤣🤣 sure they haven't sent you a roach pole??
very small,the delivery guy nearly knocked out the mrs and dog lifting it in the house 🤣🤣 sure they haven't sent you a roach pole??
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