Does anyone put eggshells in there basemix, I've heard s few people do this
In reply to Post #1
Used to, don't bother these days . Makes no difference in the finished bait other than sometimes making them crack when putting the baiting needle through your hookbaits.
Used to, don't bother these days . Makes no difference in the finished bait other than sometimes making them crack when putting the baiting needle through your hookbaits.
Some companies still do it. I believe the thought behind it is adding a crunch to the bait
In reply to Post #1
Someone on here wrote about testing the difference between adding or not adding eggshells. I think that they concluded that it made no difference to results.
I have a feeling it was Ken, but could be totally wrong.
I always liked the idea of the noise from the crunch but suspect that the pharyngeal teeth make much more noise than an egg shell!
Someone on here wrote about testing the difference between adding or not adding eggshells. I think that they concluded that it made no difference to results.
I have a feeling it was Ken, but could be totally wrong.
I always liked the idea of the noise from the crunch but suspect that the pharyngeal teeth make much more noise than an egg shell!
In reply to Post #4
I do it as i cant be arsed to crack them!
I do it as i cant be arsed to crack them!
I used to, until I switched to using egg powder. Not sure it improved the bait but like frothey said it was easier than cracking the eggs
In reply to Post #1
Rollin Baits add them as a free of charge option on their boilies.
Rollin Baits add them as a free of charge option on their boilies.
In reply to Post #1
Dynamite stopped putting egg shells in the Source nowadays.
Draw your own conclusions. More aggro, than the benefits ?
Dynamite stopped putting egg shells in the Source nowadays.
Draw your own conclusions. More aggro, than the benefits ?
About twenty years ago I started adding the shells. I thought I was a right clever so and so with my secret edge.
Made f@@k all difference
Made f@@k all difference
Abs used it in the Malarky baits a few years ago but don't know if they still do 
In reply to Post #8
Doesn't go through roiling machines as well. Same reason as a lot of co's grind their base mixes down.
Kelp and red/yellow factor, for example, should make baits go all lumpy when it's been in the water, but they grind it down as it goes thru the machines easier.
Doesn't go through roiling machines as well. Same reason as a lot of co's grind their base mixes down.
Kelp and red/yellow factor, for example, should make baits go all lumpy when it's been in the water, but they grind it down as it goes thru the machines easier.
In reply to Post #11
Didn't Poacher do this.?
Lee Jackson La Crunch?
Didn't Poacher do this.?
Lee Jackson La Crunch?
I put the shells in all my baits, just gives it a nice texture.
In reply to Post #13
Hardly anyone uses eggs anymore. I love seeing a piece of eggshell in a boilie as it's the first sign of a bit of passion and thought rather than ease of production or lowering cost. Several of the brands that regularly come up on the forum have not used eggs for years or ever. Fresh eggs full of natural protein and binders or some age old powder mixed with water (heavy and cheap) that often sits around in vats for days or weeks. I know which one I prefer. I was in a meeting at one of the biggest U.K. producers two years ago and followed my nose to a foul rotten barrel covered in flies.......egg powder and water and a million dead flies! What we think and what actually happens to our baits is very different. Choose carefully
Hardly anyone uses eggs anymore. I love seeing a piece of eggshell in a boilie as it's the first sign of a bit of passion and thought rather than ease of production or lowering cost. Several of the brands that regularly come up on the forum have not used eggs for years or ever. Fresh eggs full of natural protein and binders or some age old powder mixed with water (heavy and cheap) that often sits around in vats for days or weeks. I know which one I prefer. I was in a meeting at one of the biggest U.K. producers two years ago and followed my nose to a foul rotten barrel covered in flies.......egg powder and water and a million dead flies! What we think and what actually happens to our baits is very different. Choose carefully
In reply to Post #14
Fresh eggs every time 👍🏻 I don't personally use eggs shells in the bait but the same time I don't go out my way to remove them from the liquids if there in there.
Fresh eggs every time 👍🏻 I don't personally use eggs shells in the bait but the same time I don't go out my way to remove them from the liquids if there in there.
In reply to Post #1
It is a nightmare to roll especially smaller baits....
It is a nightmare to roll especially smaller baits....
In reply to Post #14
Does fresh eggs make that much difference to cost? I'd have thought given the volume they are buying that must be able to get them for next to nothing if they really wanted to use them
Does fresh eggs make that much difference to cost? I'd have thought given the volume they are buying that must be able to get them for next to nothing if they really wanted to use them
In reply to Post #12
Indeed they do and they always have done
Fruit Frenzy was the original and still going very strongly since they started in mid 90's
Indeed they do and they always have done
Fruit Frenzy was the original and still going very strongly since they started in mid 90's
In reply to Post #17
i buy a case of 180 when im rolling large amounts, i think they're 40 quid in total.
i dont think you can beat using fresh eggs.
i buy a case of 180 when im rolling large amounts, i think they're 40 quid in total.
i dont think you can beat using fresh eggs.
In reply to Post #19
I can't imagine using anything else personally. No matter how much I was rolling. Otherwise they might as well just use some horrid lab made chemical to bind the mix.
I can't imagine using anything else personally. No matter how much I was rolling. Otherwise they might as well just use some horrid lab made chemical to bind the mix.
In reply to Post #20
i have to agree.
fresh eggs, fresh ingredients, no chemical preservatives.
much prefer that ethos in my diet than a pot noodle
i have to agree.
fresh eggs, fresh ingredients, no chemical preservatives.
much prefer that ethos in my diet than a pot noodle
In reply to Post #14
It's all well and good saying choose carefully but how would we know that the eggs used are fresh and of sufficient quality? Likewise that the egg powder some use is fresh and made when needed etc, it's very difficult to know these things from the outside regardless of claims made.
The only way to ever have control over these things is to make your own.
It's all well and good saying choose carefully but how would we know that the eggs used are fresh and of sufficient quality? Likewise that the egg powder some use is fresh and made when needed etc, it's very difficult to know these things from the outside regardless of claims made.
The only way to ever have control over these things is to make your own.
In reply to Post #22
That's why you buy bait from people you know or trust rather than what is cheap.
That's why you buy bait from people you know or trust rather than what is cheap.
In reply to Post #22
anything that goes through a heat process has a detrimental effect on volatile products.
im not a fan of egg powder, but as like most things in life, we have choices to make.
anything that goes through a heat process has a detrimental effect on volatile products.
im not a fan of egg powder, but as like most things in life, we have choices to make.
In reply to Post #23
If you don't know someone how can you trust them? They could after all still do stuff without your knowledge.
The cheap comment gets banded about, what is cheap to you may not be to someone else, so what would you say is cheap so therefor not worth purchasing because it is, may help many of us.
If you don't know someone how can you trust them? They could after all still do stuff without your knowledge.
The cheap comment gets banded about, what is cheap to you may not be to someone else, so what would you say is cheap so therefor not worth purchasing because it is, may help many of us.
In reply to Post #24
Sure but most of us are using baits that have been boiled so will / have been affected by heat.
I'm lead to believe that whole egg powder is attractive to fish in some way, could also be a reason for it's use by some bait makers?
Sure but most of us are using baits that have been boiled so will / have been affected by heat.
I'm lead to believe that whole egg powder is attractive to fish in some way, could also be a reason for it's use by some bait makers?
In reply to Post #26
100% correct re boiling process, but the temps within the inner core of said bait wont reach the require temps to preserve have a huge affect on depletion of nutritional value
im not overly sure the reasons why powder is used if im honest, it maybe one or more of many reasons
cost
price
storage
shelflife
easier to add to dry mix
ive not used it so cant really comment fully
100% correct re boiling process, but the temps within the inner core of said bait wont reach the require temps to preserve have a huge affect on depletion of nutritional value
im not overly sure the reasons why powder is used if im honest, it maybe one or more of many reasons
cost
price
storage
shelflife
easier to add to dry mix
ive not used it so cant really comment fully
In reply to Post #22
I get mine delivered every Monday straight from the farm. Always good eggs have never had an issue on quality this way.
But I agree you can spend £7 a kilo or £12 a kilo they can both be fresh and good quality. One company may just have more expensive overheads or sponsored anglers.
I get mine delivered every Monday straight from the farm. Always good eggs have never had an issue on quality this way.
But I agree you can spend £7 a kilo or £12 a kilo they can both be fresh and good quality. One company may just have more expensive overheads or sponsored anglers.
In reply to Post #27
Probably all of those reasons but there maybe something else going on that many are unaware of?
Friend of mine has just made his new bait after many trials, no eggs or boiling, stay intact for around 5 hours, I think it's the way to go but not for the bait firms.
Probably all of those reasons but there maybe something else going on that many are unaware of?
Friend of mine has just made his new bait after many trials, no eggs or boiling, stay intact for around 5 hours, I think it's the way to go but not for the bait firms.
In reply to Post #29
yes, you can certianly use other binders, but eggs (IMO) are far the best and easier to use.
if you look at the nutritional profile of eggs, they are pretty special
yes, you can certianly use other binders, but eggs (IMO) are far the best and easier to use.
if you look at the nutritional profile of eggs, they are pretty special
In reply to Post #30
Agreed, I just don't like the fact they seal the bait, I haven't used a whole boilie for years, first thing I do is break them open, seems a waste after the effort gone into making them!
Agreed, I just don't like the fact they seal the bait, I haven't used a whole boilie for years, first thing I do is break them open, seems a waste after the effort gone into making them!
In reply to Post #31
yeah mate, i know where your coming from, but from a point of use, and longevity in the water, boiling process for baits is brilliant when you think about it.
id prefer to use a base mix paste for leakage etc, but my confidence leaving it out for 48 hours would be rather low
yeah mate, i know where your coming from, but from a point of use, and longevity in the water, boiling process for baits is brilliant when you think about it.
id prefer to use a base mix paste for leakage etc, but my confidence leaving it out for 48 hours would be rather low
In reply to Post #32
I use powdered egg from BAF, it makes the mixes far more consistent which helps with rolling machines as they are more fussy than rolling tables.
It also means I can pop out to the garage and roll a few kilos without having to go and get eggs.
To be truthful I do prefer fresh eggs but the powdered egg is just so much more convenient and I certainly have not noticed any difference in catch rates
I use powdered egg from BAF, it makes the mixes far more consistent which helps with rolling machines as they are more fussy than rolling tables.
It also means I can pop out to the garage and roll a few kilos without having to go and get eggs.
To be truthful I do prefer fresh eggs but the powdered egg is just so much more convenient and I certainly have not noticed any difference in catch rates
Will give the egg shell after reading the comments, thanks guys
In reply to Post #34
get tech data sheet re shells its more than the crunch factor
get tech data sheet re shells its more than the crunch factor
In reply to Post #33
Do you add the powder to the mix or do you have to rehydrate it back into a liquid first then add it as you would normal eggs?
Do you add the powder to the mix or do you have to rehydrate it back into a liquid first then add it as you would normal eggs?
In reply to Post #36
Interesting point, does dry egg powder mean that you can get more attractive liquid into the bait?
Interesting point, does dry egg powder mean that you can get more attractive liquid into the bait?
In reply to Post #37
I rehydrate it, by mixing the egg powder with liquids / attractors and liquidising so it ends up just like liquidised eggs.
I always use bottled water as tap water is horrible.
I do it all by weight so every mix comes out exactly the same, then i have the confidence to chuck it in the rolling machine and know it wont go horribly wrong. I use an 8 Kilo gun and auto cutter so i often just leave it to churn through, machines are more sensitive than tables so the consistency is important to me.
And yes Tom you can get more liquid attractors in the mix
I rehydrate it, by mixing the egg powder with liquids / attractors and liquidising so it ends up just like liquidised eggs.
I always use bottled water as tap water is horrible.
I do it all by weight so every mix comes out exactly the same, then i have the confidence to chuck it in the rolling machine and know it wont go horribly wrong. I use an 8 Kilo gun and auto cutter so i often just leave it to churn through, machines are more sensitive than tables so the consistency is important to me.
And yes Tom you can get more liquid attractors in the mix
In reply to Post #38
That's actually a very interesting point I'd never considered about powdered eggs. I guess as long as the liquids have a better profile than fresh eggs then that could be an interesting edge.
I wonder if the big companies do a similar thing with their pop ups. I've noticed that if you compare a home made CC Moores or Mainline pop up using their pop up mixes with a shop bought from the same company, the homemade is never as hard, despite adding additional hardeners.
That's actually a very interesting point I'd never considered about powdered eggs. I guess as long as the liquids have a better profile than fresh eggs then that could be an interesting edge.
I wonder if the big companies do a similar thing with their pop ups. I've noticed that if you compare a home made CC Moores or Mainline pop up using their pop up mixes with a shop bought from the same company, the homemade is never as hard, despite adding additional hardeners.
In reply to Post #37
id suspect that you defo get more liquid in due to the eggs being made up of a high percentage of water.
id suspect that you defo get more liquid in due to the eggs being made up of a high percentage of water.
In reply to Post #40
Yes about 74% water I believe Joss
Yes about 74% water I believe Joss
In reply to Post #42
indeed mate,
indeed mate,
In reply to Post #1
I used to crack the eggs into the bowl, then stick the shells through a coffee grinder and add them to the bowl with any flavours.
I can't say it improved the bait any as I caught on baits both with and without eggshell.
The white flecks on the skin looked good😆😅
I used to crack the eggs into the bowl, then stick the shells through a coffee grinder and add them to the bowl with any flavours.
I can't say it improved the bait any as I caught on baits both with and without eggshell.
The white flecks on the skin looked good😆😅
In reply to Post #44
dont grind the shells up
dont grind the shells up
In reply to Post #45
I did try that, but found that they would pass through both my dog and the carp as just broken shell, so the only nutrition gained was from the surface. Compared to ground, even if it is just surface nutrition, then they get more from it.
I did try that, but found that they would pass through both my dog and the carp as just broken shell, so the only nutrition gained was from the surface. Compared to ground, even if it is just surface nutrition, then they get more from it.
In reply to Post #46
crunch signals, i think the larger parts when being eaten add to the sound signals
crunch signals, i think the larger parts when being eaten add to the sound signals
In reply to Post #47
Often over looked is sound. When one carp starts chewing crunchy food the other fish near it can hear them and I believe it can trigger the other fish to come and see what it is eating to get in on the food source
Having said that egg shells wrecked my rolling tables so I don't add them now just a bit of kelp meal which is not quite a crunchy but also doesn't score my rolling tables up.
Often over looked is sound. When one carp starts chewing crunchy food the other fish near it can hear them and I believe it can trigger the other fish to come and see what it is eating to get in on the food source
Having said that egg shells wrecked my rolling tables so I don't add them now just a bit of kelp meal which is not quite a crunchy but also doesn't score my rolling tables up.
In reply to Post #48
crunch factor
crunch factor
In reply to Post #49
I remember Lee Jackson saying this see Post#12
I remember Lee Jackson saying this see Post#12
In reply to Post #50
pah, what does he know
pah, what does he know
I haven't rolled any bait by hand for about ten years now but the last times I did it was in very large quantities. We used to use a cement mixer to mix the eggs, liguids, base mix etc. We never used to crack the eggs and to save time just used to chuck the eggs in whole....the carp didn't seem to mind either!
In reply to Post #52
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