Well just got an email confirming that conning **** Khan is expanding the area massively from August
despite the lack of evidence that it will NOT make ANY significant difference
BUT it does mean all the car owners with diesel or petrol engines that fly thru the MOT smoke emission tests will now have to be scrapped
me for instance have a 2003 Peugeot 406 rapier estate
that has had a Peugeot fitted new engine and clutch I have spared no expense replacing anything as and when needed and sounds and drives like a brand new car

SIMPLY because of its huge luggage capacity I can drive my motorised Fox explorer straight in the back so its as good as any van but got all the luxury of a quality estate car
so my question is with a very limited budget 3 to 5 grand tops what the hell ? comes close to the specs and is ULEZ compliant ???
gutted

In reply to Post #1
Sorry dont know what you should buy, I would personally move.

In reply to Post #1
A quick look and the obvious car to suggest from me is a volvo v70 estate will fit into your budget.

Unfortunately ulez compliant cars are at a premium for obvious reasons


Ps the evidence stated that the benefits of brining this in would likely be negligible at best.

In reply to Post #1
It's a joke, my 2nd car, which is a 2014 C4 with a little 1.6 engine can go into all of them except Bristol, which is my nearest big city.

Yet my previous car a 2018 Ford Mustang no issue at all?

Go figure

The sooner Khan is out of his post as the mayor of London the better
Can't think of anything he as done to make London any better then it was before his appointment as Mayor

In reply to Post #4
If you ditched a mustang for a C4 then you should be banned from driving altogether..

Joke btw

In reply to Post #5
unfortunately
its never going to happen that he is voted out as I know for a fact over 75% of london properties are now owned by foreign owners and they all vote for him

In reply to Post #7
Did hear Labour are putting him forward for a third term as mayor next year

In reply to Post #1
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-tory-mps-rishi-sunak-mayor-sadiq-khan-ulez-expansion-b1053906.html

In reply to Post #9
Khan won't change his mind
I hear some london boroughs have covered up the Ulez cameras

In reply to Post #10
It's very sad, he's lost the public but does not care.
Rishi asked him in PMQs a month ago to stop.

This is going to hit a lot of folk hard.

Khan ,needs to be removed,just the same as Jacinda Arden has been removed,the same genre,the same methods..

Arden is a well known supporter of WEF...I wonder if Mr Khan,who is not a proper londoner is a WEF ,green washing ,agenda idiot as well..

In reply to Post #7
I'm no fan of the man, but there are literally no facts in your post.

In reply to Post #12
She resigned. Not removed.

As for Khan not being a 'proper londoner' ... how surprising

At a time when hardworking families are struggling as it is and yet another tax..

Of course everyone can afford to buy a new car 👍🏼
https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/guides/ulez-expansion

In reply to Post #11
It's not going to hit rishi hard. He travels everywhere by jet nowadays. No more stress at the petrol station for him....

Who opened the non carp trap door 😂

My advice would be to look at petrol wheelchair access vehicles OG.

In reply to Post #16
Do you get your school kids to come up with replies for you, it is the infants you teach isn't it? 🤣🤣

In reply to Post #17
I looked at them but very poor ground clearance sadly would restrict a lot of the places I fish that are accessed thru farmers fields with ruts

Firstly he hasn't got a mandate to say it was expanding

Secondly my local council Bromley and many others are now going to ban him from putting up cameras in their borough's and I think he knows he won't win that's why he has put up the rail and council tax 👎👎👎

In reply to Post #17


Fair point



Gerry - they put all the signs up for the Manchester version of this ages ago and then shelved the plan. Still not reinstated. Who knows if the same might happen in London?

In reply to Post #19
Gerry ,what about a Honda crv petrol ,on a older plate they are ulez compliant, they also hold a lot of kit ...

They have 2x4 ...drive,4x4 when needed..high clearance, I'm on my 2nd Crv,my ist lasted nr ten years ,cost was 1.500,..which I pxd ,for a volvo 2.5 T5,with very low clearance and a terrible turning circle ..

Those crvs are seriously good cars...

Tut tut. Naughty naughty.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11645713/Sadiq-Khan-accused-ignoring-5-000-votes-motoring-groups-opposing-ULEZ-expansion.html

In reply to Post #23
You can do what you like in a Caliphate.

What about a Kangoo van. There's a 2017 Euro6 on eBay for £4K. Or pretty much anything after 2006 complies. So maybe something like a cheapo Astra van. Or even something like a later Zafira with the seats down. Ugly as hell but available for a couple of grand. Or even something like a 2010 Freelander2 can be had for about 4K. Are they compliant?

Edit. The 2010 Nissan qashqai and 2010 Mitsubishi Outlander both show as Euro 5 and there's examples on eBay for between 3.5-4.5k

Dp

NEW AREA IN AUGUST

In reply to Post #27
How long till the outer London areas in the m25 go ulez 😡
Only just a matter of time I think

In reply to Post #25
no I dont think so
as I was looking at the Skoda Octavia estate and most are Euro 5 £30 tax but NOT compliant has to be EURO 6

In reply to Post #29
It's a complete shambles. Imagine being a small car dealer based anywhere in London now. Not a big posh main dealer that Khan and all his mates get given cars from. But just a normal guy selling normal cars to normal people. In one move Khan has just wiped out the value of your stock and probably your business.

Makes me laugh. He's banging on about pay public sector workers more money cos they are using food banks and then he's the one forcing them to sell their perfectly good bought and paid for cars and probably have to take finance on a euro six. The man's a c@@t.

In reply to Post #29
I've just looked on the TFL site and copied this from here. If I'm reading it right then if you buy a petrol car then you need Euro4 then Euro 6 is for diesels. Which screws me cos although the lakes are outside the zone, unless I buy a new van then I won't be able to go to Harefield or denham without paying £12.50. So no more trips to Harefield tackle after August. FFS.


What are the standards?
To meet the ULEZ emissions standard, your vehicle must meet the required Euro emissions standard for your vehicle and emission type. For newer vehicles, the Euro emission standard may be listed in section D.2 of your V5C.

The ULEZ standards are:

Euro 3 for motorcycles, mopeds, motorised tricycles and quadricycles (L category)
Euro 4 (NOx) for petrol cars, vans, minibuses and other specialist vehicles
Euro 6 (NOx and PM) for diesel cars, vans and minibuses and other specialist vehicles

It's not just London this effects but the whole country as when other towns see how much money this is making they will all follow on.

In reply to Post #27
Pi*s take where they extend it to Chessington, where there will be easy pickings because of a certain attraction.

Apparently Croydon council amongst a few others (Bexley, Bromley, Hillingdon and Harrow) are starting a legal challenge to block the plan

In reply to Post #28
The mayor only has control of London borough's so where you see the extended zone is the furthest he can go.

I'm reasonably sure this is correct.

Agreed that this looks like a cynical money grab, if people buy new cars they are damaging the environment futher, EV's being the worst environmental polluters to manufacture and long term environmental damage due to the materials used in batteries. And don't get me started on the electricity that is generated using up to 80% fossil fuels - gas and coal in the UK - hardly environmentally friendly, the only way EV's ever make sense is if you drive them something in excess of 200k or keep them for 15 years. That and the fact were being charged more for electric while petrol/diesel in going down.

National grid live data - worst case is at night and not windy.
https://grid.iamkate.com/

Getting a S/H low co2 output diesel is the best option from a cost and pollution perspective if you do enough milage, petrol being the best option if you don't do a lot of milage.

One thing is for sure, there will be a lot of euro 5 and older diesels on the market very soon and this will suppress values which while bad for owners is good for buyers, it might be a better idea to replace your car now than wait till nearer August when it goes live.

The other problem with doing it now is the car / van market, second hand values are very strong and for those fortunate to be able to buy a new vehicle the deliveries are very long, still some manufacturers are quoting year deliveries.
We clearly are not living in normal times.

as some one mention people like car giant etc
will have a huge amount of their stock thats not ULEZ Compliant pretty much worthless in these areas

In reply to Post #1
I believe these zones are demanded by the government, but left to to local authorities to identify and implement.
As an outsider looking in on this as a London issue I've little sympathy tbh.
The average spend per head by our taxes on public transport is £650. In my area it's less than £600. In London it's over £1200😳.
Again as an outsider is it unreasonable to get people to use what is costing the rest of us dearly?

In reply to Post #29
Ford mondeo diesel estate.

Gerry - here's what happened up here...


https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2022-05-13/charges-for-clean-air-zone-to-be-scrapped-under-new-plans

In reply to Post #38
Yeah Gerry. Walk a few miles with all your gear. Get a tube. Change to an overland a couple of times. Eventually get off at denham. Push your barrow about three miles on roads with no pavements up to the lakes. Perfectly doable for a pensioner who had poor health. Bloody Londoners and their public transport.

And another thing. Don't you even dare think about making a journey outside of London that might require you to need a car. You stick inside the M25 with all your lovely transportation links.

In reply to Post #38
Wow you've posted out of non carp

In reply to Post #38
A lot of cities are doing the same. It's not exactly a surprise is it, cities are becoming more and more choked with vehicles and air quality is p*ss poor. If you drive a more polluting car or van then you pay for it. Or maybe we should just leave it to become more and more gridlocked.

It's the government that's rinsing the entire population of their money. Reading these posts I wonder if Khans surname was ‘Smith' he'd be hated as much.

In reply to Post #43
What a weird post. So people who are being forced to take on debt to replace perfectly good vehicles in the midst of a cost of living crisis are only complaining because they are racists.

Do me a favour. Post me up your copies of the Guardian and Harry's book once you've finished with them will you. Recycling and all that.

In reply to Post #43
but its tota bullshine ??? his scare mongering for the gullible is not proven at all the reverse in fact
the Stiff MOT emission tests prevent polluting vehicles
plus its based on LIES about any benefits there is however evidence that the effects are at best minimal and at worst the lower speed limit and traffic jams with engines running in grid lockes make it worse

we are close to Heathrow Airport an have the M25, M40, M4 AND M3 all around that is the cause

In reply to Post #44
Playing devil's advocate - I think the phrase 'some of the posts' is reasonable enough. 'Proper londoner' , 'caliphate' ... given previous on here its not an unfair comment - although being a 'Smith' is no guarantee of safe passage either at times 😀

The congestion problem is an issue. Ask tinhead about his friend and her very worthy campaign that has been mentioned on similar threads.

Some people could use their cars less and choose not to. Hence schemes like this that do emphasise the wealth divide in some green initiatives.

There's so much opposition to this that I can see a similar outcome to the Manchester CAZ proposal. A winding back on it in place of a requirement to meet some pollution reduction targets. Maybe that's the underlying plan all along.

In reply to Post #43
What's more polluting?

A - my euro5 diesel that I do about 3 to 4k miles a year in

Or

B - a euro 6 petrol average car doing 10 to 15k miles a year?

Exactly



Ps any car that is 40 years or older is automatically ulez exempt, them cars from days of zero emissions regs or fancy catalytic converters / DPFs etc

In reply to Post #1
I live within the current ULEZ and can confirm it's a rip off pain in ****.

No fan of Khan at all. I remember back to his first election when he only had two pledges - to not raise Oyster card fees, and to plant 1m trees. He then went on to raise oyster fees in his second week of office. Been in office now for almost two full terms he's still not planted the trees. Slippery sod he is.

In reply to Post #48
where I live he approved plans on the site of a demolished hotel to build 520 block of flats BUT just 120 car park spaces ? when questioned his answer was I want people to use public transport and not own cars luckily the council has objected and its all on hold

Some one said last week that he's a good politician but a sh1t mayor 😂

Statistically he is the worst mayor London has had i believe he's trying to push this through quickly before he runs for a third term because like I said before he has no manifesto to put the expansion through and will not get elected again if it's one of his pledges.

In reply to Post #50

the letter I got says
The Ultra Low Emission Zone is expanding from 29 August 2023 but My council (Hillingdon) is fighting it

In reply to Post #47
Depends on what you are measuring, CO or the NOx and particulates that diesels chuck out. Also diesels are even worse when cold - commuting around rush hour London won't get them warm.

You don't see many “mis-sold emissions” claims against petrol cars do you?

In reply to Post #1
Every single policy UK and EU governments have been making the past decade and more seems to be centred around taking money out of the pockets of the middle class and transferring it into the pockets of the rich.
I'm convinced they are working on the basis that a poor electorate is a compliant electorate.

Why not stop calling it ULEZ and rename it pay to pollute. It would then get rid of all the misunderstanding and ensure that the poorer in London know their place.

These scummy Londoners can't afford to eat at The Ivy, or shop in Bond Street and now the grubby little oiks want to drive an old fiesta diesel to work as a carer, for some chubby old lady that wets herself. Charge them congestion, charge them for not having a Tesla and hopefully a little further down the line we can introduce a Primark tax if they persist in using this sweat shop based establishment over Harvey Nicks.

Poor people and the working class are dragging this country down and it's us wealthy Tories that will end up giving them an extra tenner for a winter fuel allowance. If you want to go fishing in Sevenoaks use the weekly bus you horrible dirty little scum.

In reply to Post #54
If Londoners have got time for leisure activities then they aren't working hard enough.

In reply to Post #22
well looking at all the suggestions
none seem to compare but I think the one that comes close would be a 2016 or later Euro 6 Škoda octavia estate this seems to be the one with the biggest load capacity where my barrow should fit

In reply to Post #56
One of my previous cars was a 2012 Octavia estate (4wd Scout), my mate had a Peugeot like yours at the same time. The Skoda was a far nicer car, and a great fishing wagon

In reply to Post #57
thank Chris
I been to France fishing 17 times in it and a couple of times towing my caravan to Scotland been to Germany couple of times too plus a fair few 300 mile round trips to the Trent so done loads of millage and my 406 has been simply amazing so from what your saying the Octavia estate Euro 6 is the one I need to be looking for

In reply to Post #41
Why the pedantic post?
At least there's an option after disproportionate billions being invested in London public transport yearly, compared to the rest of the country mate.
There's always the Norman Tebbit option

SK Needs removing and quickly, bring back Boris as LM........

In reply to Post #60
You mean bring in Tory and out with labour

In reply to Post #61
What's with the clown 🤡

I mean get SK out because he ain't got a clue and is a complete ****.......

In reply to Post #59
I wonder if that disproportionate figure you're thinking of is actually balanced by the billions of money brought in by London workers and the much higher fare income to London lol. Or all the other higher costs that come with London too

In reply to Post #62
Is that what the emoji is
I just thought it was a “jokey” one lol

In reply to Post #60
I'm all for that Wayne. It's what those cockney sods deserve

In reply to Post #65
........makes sense Mal......

In reply to Post #63
Indeed 22% of the UK GDP comes out of London.

In reply to Post #58
Diesels are becoming unaffordable in London, even if its ULEZ compliant you still have the diesel parking levy in most of the inner boroughs. I've had to order a petrol van as the parking on the diesel van is often £20+ a day more expensive

If you've got parking off street an only use it for fishing that probably wouldn't matter to you

In reply to Post #68
It's properly peed me off. My van is old but it's been well looked after all its life. It's had a couple of advisories on the last MOT but I think the previous five were clean passes. It's a good van and short of a battery and tyres it's needed nothing spent on it. I had no plans to change it for a couple of years at least. In fact it was my 50th last year and due to one thing and another we didn't go away so my plan was to squirrel a bit of cash away and have a holiday. Which would have been my first one in six years. Instead I'm now probably gonna have to sell this good van and use my holiday money buying something else as I've got customers in Finchley, Hatch End, Pinner etc, all in the ULEZ and most of the Colne Valley is gonna be in it and I'm not giving up tickets that I've had for twenty years to please that tosser. So it looks like a new van it is. Another politician without any idea about ordinary working people. The man's a loon. Where does he think everyone is going to magic up the money from for all these vehicles? Like thousands of people I'm still paying off my covid business loan that we were forced to take. Then in the middle of a computer chip shortage that's distorted the whole car/van market this clown decides to require potentially millions of Londoners to all change their vehicles in the same year. He's a complete bell end.

In reply to Post #69
Imagine being in the boat with those of us that bought new vans 2 years ago to save 12.50 only to find you need a different van to avoid the diesel parking levy

Fo some reason my dad's old caddy gets away with the parking levy, and it's usually cheaper for me to use that and pay the ulez

In reply to Post #6
C4 the 2nd car as need a 7 seater, I have ditched the mustang, accountant wasn't very happy as it wasn't very tax friendly.

In reply to Post #60
I'm not sure we could trust Boris. Let's not forget he brought in the Ulez
When he was Mayor. First in the world I believe.

He may oppose it right now for partisan reasons but
1. We.know his word mean less than nothing
2. He invented it. And is ideologically sympathetic to an expansion.

Anyway. Nows he's an ex PM he's on the gravy train good and proper.

The Leader of Bexley Council. Baroness O neal
Has stated that the council are against it. Will.oppose the cameras
And are taking legal advice.

In reply to Post #73
Yes hillingdon council are opposing it too but we will see

In reply to Post #74
Apparently he can stick them on Traffic lights
With no permission. Presumably they know that. So it might just
Be posturing. I imagine most of them are happy it's going ahead even if it doesn't suit
Them to admit it.

In reply to Post #63
Its a point of view "balance" mate and there lays the problem when you're a country. You think it's generated here so spend more here , not an uncommon view last 40 year's. I'm sure Birmingham, Bristol, Belfast, Manchester, Glasgow etc would say more infrastructure spending, even close to London levels and they'd contribute more. It's a self fulfilling prophecy transport spend.
Levelling up anyone??

In reply to Post #75
dont think my local council is posturing

In reply to Post #77
hopefully other councils will follow this lead. My mum lives on the boundary between the new proposed zone and the previous zone. She has dementia and i visit her twice a week to help with cooking etc, this will kill me financially along with my mum tbh. My small van is liable for a £12.50 fee as is the wifes small car, khan is killing london and the suburbs whilst ignoring the real knife and gang crime

In reply to Post #77
What a weasel, he's been called out for his lies and now he comes out with this cobblers to justify his stance on ulez.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-64381444

In reply to Post #79
yes but >>>> LINKY POO

In reply to Post #80
So TfL contradict what the Mayor says?
He is destroying what was once a safe, clean and beautiful city.

In reply to Post #81
Safe, clean and beautiful?

I mean, I suppose if Stoke is your reference point then...

In reply to Post #82

In reply to Post #72
Dream on.
That w*nker has a big hand (due to a current corrupt government) in what goes on in our future.