Does anyone find that if they put too many baits in too small an area, the hook holds are not as good, or they see more hookpulls occuring? I stuck a kilo of boilies on quite a small spot. In my mind, due to the fish not having to travel far, they have no need to upend themselves and feel the weight of the lead, to they could literally just blow the hook into a thin bit of the scissors, therefore increasing the ratio of hookpulls.
In my 35 plus years on this planet, I've never had so many hookpulls. I could even tell by the fight that something wasn't 100%, and was just awaiting that moment when it went slack.
I'm usually a particle angler, and had more hookpulls in my last two overnighters than I did the previous twelves months. So, is too many 18mm boilies in two small an area a negative in terms of hooking potential?
In my 35 plus years on this planet, I've never had so many hookpulls. I could even tell by the fight that something wasn't 100%, and was just awaiting that moment when it went slack.
I'm usually a particle angler, and had more hookpulls in my last two overnighters than I did the previous twelves months. So, is too many 18mm boilies in two small an area a negative in terms of hooking potential?
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The denser the baiting pattern the shorter the length of the rig. Depending on the substrate you could try a stiff rig length. Or a combi rig.
The denser the baiting pattern the shorter the length of the rig. Depending on the substrate you could try a stiff rig length. Or a combi rig.
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May be worth trying to lengthen the hair and create a bit more separation between bait and hook. I favour a relatively long hair when boilie fishing, especially with larger baits, rig length more to do with substrate but if baiting as tightly as you say maybe shorten in a tad
May be worth trying to lengthen the hair and create a bit more separation between bait and hook. I favour a relatively long hair when boilie fishing, especially with larger baits, rig length more to do with substrate but if baiting as tightly as you say maybe shorten in a tad
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What length is your hook link and how have you set your rig / hook up?
Like said I usually shorten my hook links if fishing over tight areas of bait.
Maybe use less boilies on the spot?
What length is your hook link and how have you set your rig / hook up?
Like said I usually shorten my hook links if fishing over tight areas of bait.
Maybe use less boilies on the spot?
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I think you may be half right—- “too many boilies”
Chances are by the time a carp gets to your hook bait their hunger will have subsided and they will be feeding slowly so perhaps the bait doesn't' get sucked in as it should. Watching carp in my pond they certainly feed differently after several mouthfulls.
Presumably your hooks are sharp and suit your bait size.
I think you may be half right—- “too many boilies”
Chances are by the time a carp gets to your hook bait their hunger will have subsided and they will be feeding slowly so perhaps the bait doesn't' get sucked in as it should. Watching carp in my pond they certainly feed differently after several mouthfulls.
Presumably your hooks are sharp and suit your bait size.
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I work on a simple theory, that fits my fishing:
If the hook is dead spot centre lip, hair length is perfect.
If the hook is at the back of the mouth then the hair is too long.
If I'm losing fish, to hookpulls, or getting hookholds at the extreme edge of the lip, then the hair is too short. This can also be rectified at times by increasing how much I feed, so more bait, not less. Boilies alone though, it can be sucked in, and the hair does not allow the bait to the back of the mouth.
I work on a simple theory, that fits my fishing:
If the hook is dead spot centre lip, hair length is perfect.
If the hook is at the back of the mouth then the hair is too long.
If I'm losing fish, to hookpulls, or getting hookholds at the extreme edge of the lip, then the hair is too short. This can also be rectified at times by increasing how much I feed, so more bait, not less. Boilies alone though, it can be sucked in, and the hair does not allow the bait to the back of the mouth.
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Try having a longer hair, see how that goes.
Try having a longer hair, see how that goes.
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I've had this happen many times over when fishing over tightly baited spots of particles. I've found in general it is small fish that are not getting hooked or coming off quite quickly. One water I am fishing has had a surge of small commons appear... only a couple of years back, the average fish was over 20, with very few doubles. Hardly had any hook pulls back then, fishing the same way this season, flippin loads of hook pulls and it's little commons of about 7 to 10 lb doing it. Get a bigger fish and they're all hooked really well. Rig is a blowback with a single tiger, fixed lead, margin fishing over large quantities of tigers and peanuts. A mate has experienced the same thing. We hardly ever lost fish before all the little pigs arrived
I've had this happen many times over when fishing over tightly baited spots of particles. I've found in general it is small fish that are not getting hooked or coming off quite quickly. One water I am fishing has had a surge of small commons appear... only a couple of years back, the average fish was over 20, with very few doubles. Hardly had any hook pulls back then, fishing the same way this season, flippin loads of hook pulls and it's little commons of about 7 to 10 lb doing it. Get a bigger fish and they're all hooked really well. Rig is a blowback with a single tiger, fixed lead, margin fishing over large quantities of tigers and peanuts. A mate has experienced the same thing. We hardly ever lost fish before all the little pigs arrived
With a tight bed of boilies like that, the fish won't necessarily be picking up one bait at a time and then eating it...
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I would be looking more at your hooking arrangement. Potentially a bigger hook or as mentioned more separation between hook and bait
I would be looking more at your hooking arrangement. Potentially a bigger hook or as mentioned more separation between hook and bait
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Try fishing a couple of yards away from the baited area
Try fishing a couple of yards away from the baited area
Can't remember the last time I had a hook pull or losing one 🤔
Perhaps I'm lucky and doing everything right .
I do most things other posters have recommended.
I fished a lot in France 🇫🇷 and used very big beds of bait but as the bottom was clean and rock hard .
My hooklength very short about 4-5 “ tops and always off the baited area .
The better the bottom the shorter the rig , same for my UK fishing also .
It's a funny old game 🤔
Perhaps I'm lucky and doing everything right .
I do most things other posters have recommended.
I fished a lot in France 🇫🇷 and used very big beds of bait but as the bottom was clean and rock hard .
My hooklength very short about 4-5 “ tops and always off the baited area .
The better the bottom the shorter the rig , same for my UK fishing also .
It's a funny old game 🤔
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More likely a rig issue IMO.
More likely a rig issue IMO.
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Try a running rig, take the lead weight /hook link length out of the equation. Id say 90% of bites the line just pulls tight like they do not know they are hooked, and once rod is engaged, its game over for them little piggies
. Id say I've lost most fish on a lead clip.. by far the most, then some on a heli, then hardly any on a running setup.
Try a running rig, take the lead weight /hook link length out of the equation. Id say 90% of bites the line just pulls tight like they do not know they are hooked, and once rod is engaged, its game over for them little piggies
. Id say I've lost most fish on a lead clip.. by far the most, then some on a heli, then hardly any on a running setup.
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The better the bottom the shorter the rig
Exactly that for me, or worse and longer
Hook pulls = mouth damage
The better the bottom the shorter the rig
Exactly that for me, or worse and longer
Hook pulls = mouth damage