In reply to Post #1
Something worth considering, have you reeled in your rigs at the ends of blank session and checked those hooks are still sharp. I found this out the hard way after a few losses I decided to just bring my rigs in to see if the hook point was ok and all of them were burred. Maybe nuisance fish pushing baits around or something. Switching back to normal pack sharp hooks gently brushed with a point doctor sorted this problem for
Me. Just bear in mind those razor sharp hooks are only worth it if you can guarantee they stay that way before a pick up. I feel much more
Confident with gently touched up hooks these days. Also something I don't see a lot of posts about is not just hook sharpness but hook point endurance. There are some hooks
That simply hold their points better than others. ESPs new hooks for example will turn over after every fish I catch, Gardner muggas are normally good for at least a couple of fish
Something worth considering, have you reeled in your rigs at the ends of blank session and checked those hooks are still sharp. I found this out the hard way after a few losses I decided to just bring my rigs in to see if the hook point was ok and all of them were burred. Maybe nuisance fish pushing baits around or something. Switching back to normal pack sharp hooks gently brushed with a point doctor sorted this problem for
Me. Just bear in mind those razor sharp hooks are only worth it if you can guarantee they stay that way before a pick up. I feel much more
Confident with gently touched up hooks these days. Also something I don't see a lot of posts about is not just hook sharpness but hook point endurance. There are some hooks
That simply hold their points better than others. ESPs new hooks for example will turn over after every fish I catch, Gardner muggas are normally good for at least a couple of fish
For me, I'd be more worried if I weren't hooking fish. The law of averages says the odd one will fall of.. peeps you really don't need to be over thinking it.. 
I fished an easy runs water in France with my brother next to me. I had sharpened hooks and lost about a third of the runs (I hardly ever lose fish) , my brother had the same rigs but hooks from the packet and lost very few. I'm convinced hooks can be too sharp
In reply to Post #18
Hand sharpened or kamakura ?
Hand sharpened or kamakura ?
In reply to Post #1
Wasn't this the reason Darrell Peck and other Korda boys stopped using the Kamakura hooks ?
Wasn't this the reason Darrell Peck and other Korda boys stopped using the Kamakura hooks ?
In reply to Post #19
Hand sharpened. Been using J Precision ones for a few seasons but just feel I've lost more fish since using them.
Obviously expect to lose the odd fish, but feel like I lost a few more and also more that came off after being hooked for a little while before coming off.
But potentially over thinking things as most do, perhaps id not even hooked those fish or I hooked into more by using them? Who can tell.
Points weren't turned for the other person suggesting that, fish silty soft bottom lakes and as much as those hooks do blunt after each fish I fish low stock lakes so no problem for me.
Only did the post to see if anyone else had encountered the same, and if there was such a thing as too sharp / fine a hook point.
Hand sharpened. Been using J Precision ones for a few seasons but just feel I've lost more fish since using them.
Obviously expect to lose the odd fish, but feel like I lost a few more and also more that came off after being hooked for a little while before coming off.
But potentially over thinking things as most do, perhaps id not even hooked those fish or I hooked into more by using them? Who can tell.
Points weren't turned for the other person suggesting that, fish silty soft bottom lakes and as much as those hooks do blunt after each fish I fish low stock lakes so no problem for me.
Only did the post to see if anyone else had encountered the same, and if there was such a thing as too sharp / fine a hook point.
In reply to Post #20
Kamakura Choddy's (or Choddy's hand sharpened Kamakura style) have been a game changer for me. Incredible hook holds & I can't think of a time when I had a hook pull while using these. I'm 100% certain that they've led to more fish on the bank, nothing else has compared so far.
Hooks sharpened to the extreme are fragile & require obsessive care, & I can see why they may not be the best option for every water/person/situation.
IMO properly cared for razor sharp hooks used in the right application don't lead to more hook pulls, they only increase the chance of a secure hook hold & improve catch rates.
Kamakura Choddy's (or Choddy's hand sharpened Kamakura style) have been a game changer for me. Incredible hook holds & I can't think of a time when I had a hook pull while using these. I'm 100% certain that they've led to more fish on the bank, nothing else has compared so far.
Hooks sharpened to the extreme are fragile & require obsessive care, & I can see why they may not be the best option for every water/person/situation.
IMO properly cared for razor sharp hooks used in the right application don't lead to more hook pulls, they only increase the chance of a secure hook hold & improve catch rates.
If a hook goes in to the bend in the tough lower part of the mouth then there is little risk of it pulling out.
The only exceptions are if its in the scissors and there is some mouth damage, a heavy actioned rod overpulling, weed reducing the direct contact, or a super sharp hook has been wafting around and took hold in some random area.
A super sharp hook will easily get a hold wherever it touches, but that may not be the ideal spot to hold onto a fish through the fight.
Other variables also apply, like the end rig presentation, the feeding situation also governs how the fish will be moving over the bait and how then how effective the rig will be.
The only exceptions are if its in the scissors and there is some mouth damage, a heavy actioned rod overpulling, weed reducing the direct contact, or a super sharp hook has been wafting around and took hold in some random area.
A super sharp hook will easily get a hold wherever it touches, but that may not be the ideal spot to hold onto a fish through the fight.
Other variables also apply, like the end rig presentation, the feeding situation also governs how the fish will be moving over the bait and how then how effective the rig will be.
In reply to Post #23
Might find this interesting re heavy action or stiff rods and hook pulls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf17UE7nNNU
Might find this interesting re heavy action or stiff rods and hook pulls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf17UE7nNNU
In reply to Post #24
I know about leverage and lever lengths.
But he's saying for the same amount of pull.... and this is where the extra powerful rods can add more pressure, and the stiffer tip is much less forgiving when a fish lunges.
I know about leverage and lever lengths.
But he's saying for the same amount of pull.... and this is where the extra powerful rods can add more pressure, and the stiffer tip is much less forgiving when a fish lunges.
You could atgue that ultra sharp hooks lead to faster hooking and thus increase the chance for superficial hooking leading to pulls, where a less sharp hook in the same scenario would kinda slip and not lead to superficial hooking. So ultra sharp hooks hook more, but that could be the downside. And of course there are many other factors in play, but hookwise this could be an explanation.
In reply to Post #26
I see your point!
I see your point!
In reply to Post #24
It does actually make sense in regards to leverage but to me there's other variables at play.
Wouldn't the softer or harder a rod is, also change the way in which the pressure is applied to the fish? A softer rod being more gradual (even if it is more) & a harder being more abrupt?
It would also affect how the fish responds & how you decide to play the fish etc. The variables aren't constant & there's so many different scenarios, I find it difficult to see it as black or white .
& As B says, a soft rod acts as a shock absorber for lunges.
Its certainly interesting to think about!
I won't be buying any longer & stiffer rods soon though.
It does actually make sense in regards to leverage but to me there's other variables at play.
Wouldn't the softer or harder a rod is, also change the way in which the pressure is applied to the fish? A softer rod being more gradual (even if it is more) & a harder being more abrupt?
It would also affect how the fish responds & how you decide to play the fish etc. The variables aren't constant & there's so many different scenarios, I find it difficult to see it as black or white .
& As B says, a soft rod acts as a shock absorber for lunges.
Its certainly interesting to think about!
I won't be buying any longer & stiffer rods soon though.
Ive used sharpened hooks for over 30 years by either jason haywood or nowdays the kamakuru by korda and can honestly say in my oppinion it does not have any part in hookpulls. Having never sharpened a hook myself i have no idea if the way a hook is sharpened has any bearing on a hook pulling as in a right and wrong way to file a hook.
I think hook patterns and the way carp feed will have a massive impact. Fish that feed in silt will feed/filter in a different way to carp that feed and move between baits on gravel and clay. I've had many hook pulls on a clay bottomed venue over tight spreads of bait, too many to ignore. One night losing six fish to hook pulls on a Cryogen pattern that i'd not had issues with on other venues. Certain patterns just suit beds of particle, others suit snowman rigs with freebies over a wider area.