In reply to Post #15
Jesus mate, do you sell salt or something?
I get what you're saying about the concentraiton, but dumping massive lumps in a swim is not the same. Too many people doing it, at the wrong time, could end up counterproductive.
Jesus mate, do you sell salt or something?
I get what you're saying about the concentraiton, but dumping massive lumps in a swim is not the same. Too many people doing it, at the wrong time, could end up counterproductive.
In reply to Post #16
As anglers there are probably far worse things we do. The topic has been brought up loads of times in various podcasts, and people who are in the know, say it will never be an issue. There's probably a lot worse ingredients in baits people are shoveling into lakes, I just think this is an absolute none issue.
The clip OP is talking about is from Cypography well over a year ago. I've personally used rock salt myself, but never found it to be any use. I've never seen anyone else on the bank doing it, let alone tonnes and tonnes of it being used. Has anyone else?
As anglers there are probably far worse things we do. The topic has been brought up loads of times in various podcasts, and people who are in the know, say it will never be an issue. There's probably a lot worse ingredients in baits people are shoveling into lakes, I just think this is an absolute none issue.
The clip OP is talking about is from Cypography well over a year ago. I've personally used rock salt myself, but never found it to be any use. I've never seen anyone else on the bank doing it, let alone tonnes and tonnes of it being used. Has anyone else?
In reply to Post #15
Not a chance any amount of anglers could dump enough salt in to affect the salinity of a lake. It's a fair question to ask why they're doing it though.
Not a chance any amount of anglers could dump enough salt in to affect the salinity of a lake. It's a fair question to ask why they're doing it though.
In reply to Post #15
Whilst I don't think it will ever be an issue, if a pond ever reached 1% salinity it would be pretty sterile. Carp can tolerate up to 0.5%, not sure about long term, but water plants much less.
Whilst I don't think it will ever be an issue, if a pond ever reached 1% salinity it would be pretty sterile. Carp can tolerate up to 0.5%, not sure about long term, but water plants much less.
I must admit that I don't have a clue about the environmental damage large amounts of salt could have. Having seen the video in question, I must admit that it just doesn't sit right.
I do know however that many places are banning the use of salt on icy roads and footpaths for environmental reasons.
Their argument is;
"Road salt gets into the soil with the seepage water and accumulates in the groundwater. The increased salt content in the soil is not good for trees and plants, as important nutrients are washed out and further absorption is made more difficult. As a result, plants can no longer be adequately supplied and slowly die."
Is there any difference in the chemical makeup of what is used on the roads and what anglers use?
I do know however that many places are banning the use of salt on icy roads and footpaths for environmental reasons.
Their argument is;
"Road salt gets into the soil with the seepage water and accumulates in the groundwater. The increased salt content in the soil is not good for trees and plants, as important nutrients are washed out and further absorption is made more difficult. As a result, plants can no longer be adequately supplied and slowly die."
Is there any difference in the chemical makeup of what is used on the roads and what anglers use?
Agreed it would take a lot of salt to change the salinity of a lake, however if you spod in a tight spot you can kill the spot, so no weed or natural food will grow for quite a while.
Imagine the impact of lots of anglers doing that and the effect on the lake.
Bathing koi in salt is for killing parasites it also anaesthetises them and de stresses them to an extent to enable other treatments, but you don't keep them in a salt bath for very long
Imagine the impact of lots of anglers doing that and the effect on the lake.
Bathing koi in salt is for killing parasites it also anaesthetises them and de stresses them to an extent to enable other treatments, but you don't keep them in a salt bath for very long
I really cant see the problem with the amount there spodding, I've used salt before and cant say I've seen any differences.
Carp do and can live in brackish waters.
Carp do and can live in brackish waters.
In reply to Post #19
As you say 1% salinity would make for a sterile environment.
Even 0.1% can affect some plants.
A concentration of 0.5% can be used as a salt treatment for a sick carp, but only for a short term, 5 to 10 minutes perhaps.
As you say 1% salinity would make for a sterile environment.
Even 0.1% can affect some plants.
A concentration of 0.5% can be used as a salt treatment for a sick carp, but only for a short term, 5 to 10 minutes perhaps.
In reply to Post #23
0.1% would still be 4000kg in a really shallow 1 acre pond though. That's a lot of Jim Shelly's.
0.1% would still be 4000kg in a really shallow 1 acre pond though. That's a lot of Jim Shelly's.
In reply to Post #22
At a maximum level of 6 parts per thousand, anything above that increases mortality. At 6ppt growth rates are decreased.
They also have to have a gradual increase in salinity to this level, otherwise stress is noted.
At a maximum level of 6 parts per thousand, anything above that increases mortality. At 6ppt growth rates are decreased.
They also have to have a gradual increase in salinity to this level, otherwise stress is noted.
In reply to Post #24
Trouble is unless there is a .mechanism, either natural or man-made to remove the salt it will continue to build up. People don't live as long as most lakes.
Trouble is unless there is a .mechanism, either natural or man-made to remove the salt it will continue to build up. People don't live as long as most lakes.
In reply to Post #26
What is the half-life of salt?
What is the half-life of salt?
In reply to Post #25
There's carp in the brackish water at oulton broad, i for one dont see the problem with adding salt.
There's carp in the brackish water at oulton broad, i for one dont see the problem with adding salt.
In reply to Post #14
Exactly so it is not up to avarage joe to chuck it in.
Exactly so it is not up to avarage joe to chuck it in.
In reply to Post #25
I did my dissertation on salinity and growth rates. Found that 2ppt was the optimum for juvenile carp. Beyond this it declined to lower than freshwater levels.
My conclusion is that the increased sodium in the water allowed for easier osmoregulation, reducing energy usage for the process, thus having more surplus energy to store.
The issue with the excess salt on one spot is that it will kill off the spot. Plants won't grow and inverts will die/not go there. This could take years to recover. However the reasoning behind it is that the carp will seek this salt out as it benefits them. Not as a good source but for bodily processes. The water will be slightly saltier here and they'll likely rub on it too.
Similar dumping a load of mineral rich clay in a lake that lacks it. You'll create a point of interest for the fish which struggle to find these minerals in their natural environment. There is a reason carp rub in clay. It's not for fun, it's to absorb minerals from it for health benefits.
I did my dissertation on salinity and growth rates. Found that 2ppt was the optimum for juvenile carp. Beyond this it declined to lower than freshwater levels.
My conclusion is that the increased sodium in the water allowed for easier osmoregulation, reducing energy usage for the process, thus having more surplus energy to store.
The issue with the excess salt on one spot is that it will kill off the spot. Plants won't grow and inverts will die/not go there. This could take years to recover. However the reasoning behind it is that the carp will seek this salt out as it benefits them. Not as a good source but for bodily processes. The water will be slightly saltier here and they'll likely rub on it too.
Similar dumping a load of mineral rich clay in a lake that lacks it. You'll create a point of interest for the fish which struggle to find these minerals in their natural environment. There is a reason carp rub in clay. It's not for fun, it's to absorb minerals from it for health benefits.