In reply to Post #10
I know they approached several other lakes looking to sponsor them in return that they would bring in similar rules to this lake. Didn't they sponsor the SWLT in some way at some point?
I believe this lake here is fenced, I understand its tidy with nice facilities etc.
I know they approached several other lakes looking to sponsor them in return that they would bring in similar rules to this lake. Didn't they sponsor the SWLT in some way at some point?
I believe this lake here is fenced, I understand its tidy with nice facilities etc.
In reply to Post #13
It says ALL angler MUST use minimum 14" of tubing.
I read this is that you HAVE to use it...so no idea why there is a leadfree leader rule too
It says ALL angler MUST use minimum 14" of tubing.
I read this is that you HAVE to use it...so no idea why there is a leadfree leader rule too
In reply to Post #16
Yes,they had tackle n bait in upper Tamar ,plus..the sponsored signs on the gates ,entrance by the car park..
These Gripz hooks...OK I bought some ,I have caught a few on them various waters ,including my place as well,...they made no difference in anyway shape or form to penetrative excellence, and yesterday at another water not far away from the aforementioned I caught a carp with this Gripz it didn't fare well,its a clever marketing gimmick to offset any potential future legislation or similar I believe ..or the designers own personal agenda..or outlook..
I have binned the Gripz pattern, and along with a few other places I have read about I won't be recommending them indeed some places have stopped them being used..
So let's look at this objectively, it's expensive very...overt rules ,a barren looking hole in the ground...urban mindset angling .....
Plus from my own point of view ,I have the same genetic stock as do many other local waters ...
Simply put its overkill...and uber expensive ,like a lot of others I have spoken to ,they will cater for those who think this is carp angling ..
Time will tell if its successful or no...
Yes,they had tackle n bait in upper Tamar ,plus..the sponsored signs on the gates ,entrance by the car park..
These Gripz hooks...OK I bought some ,I have caught a few on them various waters ,including my place as well,...they made no difference in anyway shape or form to penetrative excellence, and yesterday at another water not far away from the aforementioned I caught a carp with this Gripz it didn't fare well,its a clever marketing gimmick to offset any potential future legislation or similar I believe ..or the designers own personal agenda..or outlook..
I have binned the Gripz pattern, and along with a few other places I have read about I won't be recommending them indeed some places have stopped them being used..
So let's look at this objectively, it's expensive very...overt rules ,a barren looking hole in the ground...urban mindset angling .....
Plus from my own point of view ,I have the same genetic stock as do many other local waters ...
Simply put its overkill...and uber expensive ,like a lot of others I have spoken to ,they will cater for those who think this is carp angling ..
Time will tell if its successful or no...
In reply to Post #18
As a pike angler I was actually concerned about sponsored anglers writing about using large single Gripz catfish hooks in 1/0 and 2/0 for pike fishing. It has been debated within the Pike Anglers Club UK for years, I am a member, and the consensus is that trebles are better for the pikes welfare.
Large single hooks can put more pressure on a single point than a treble, in cases going up into the skull, and beyond. It's safer for the pike to fish with normal sized treble hooks than a large single.
It may be that a single hook is an attempt to reduce personal angler risk of cuts or supposedly avoiding deep hooking than actual care of the fish.
Now as a point of note, no matter how quickly you strike, at some point you will get a deep hooked fish that has swallowed the bait. Learn to deal with it safely.
As anglers in dealing with rules of a fishery you have a choice, fish there and abide them or don't fish there.
I know what I think about the MD of the said company, while I agree with some of his views, the way he has made his points within the industry I don't think has won him many friends.
As a pike angler I was actually concerned about sponsored anglers writing about using large single Gripz catfish hooks in 1/0 and 2/0 for pike fishing. It has been debated within the Pike Anglers Club UK for years, I am a member, and the consensus is that trebles are better for the pikes welfare.
Large single hooks can put more pressure on a single point than a treble, in cases going up into the skull, and beyond. It's safer for the pike to fish with normal sized treble hooks than a large single.
It may be that a single hook is an attempt to reduce personal angler risk of cuts or supposedly avoiding deep hooking than actual care of the fish.
Now as a point of note, no matter how quickly you strike, at some point you will get a deep hooked fish that has swallowed the bait. Learn to deal with it safely.
As anglers in dealing with rules of a fishery you have a choice, fish there and abide them or don't fish there.
I know what I think about the MD of the said company, while I agree with some of his views, the way he has made his points within the industry I don't think has won him many friends.
In reply to Post #19
A friend of mine got a temporary ban for sleeping on his rods at the wrong time of day. This was in the Czech Rep and you can only sleep at certain points of the day / night and unfortunately he nodded off at the wrong time and the bailiff turned up.
A friend of mine got a temporary ban for sleeping on his rods at the wrong time of day. This was in the Czech Rep and you can only sleep at certain points of the day / night and unfortunately he nodded off at the wrong time and the bailiff turned up.
I've looked at a few waters over the years and if the rules seem too stupid, I just cross it off the list.
In reply to Post #8
I fish on a syndicate stretch of the Trent leased by the Barbel society. The only members of the public you ever see are dog walkers, but anglers aren't allowed to take dogs. There is a reason though, apparently an anglers dog attacked another dog a few years ago and the marsh society who own the land then put a clause into the lease.
Shame as I've got a dog who I'd love to take with me.
I fish on a syndicate stretch of the Trent leased by the Barbel society. The only members of the public you ever see are dog walkers, but anglers aren't allowed to take dogs. There is a reason though, apparently an anglers dog attacked another dog a few years ago and the marsh society who own the land then put a clause into the lease.
Shame as I've got a dog who I'd love to take with me.
In reply to Post #22
Hope the angler and his dog that caused the problem received a lifetime ban.
Hope the angler and his dog that caused the problem received a lifetime ban.
Anyone remember the no sleeping ban on Redesmere back in the day? You could night fish but not allowed to fall asleep. Deadly Dennis and his henchmen used to come around in the small hours to catch people sleeping and if you were....... ban was incoming 
In reply to Post #1
I actually worked my way through the list, and to be honest, there are other lakes with rules that are more stringent than these, most of the rules do actually seem very sensible, like alcohol in moderation, and no illegal drugs.
I take it the ones that bug you are only using fishery supplied baits, particles and boilies supplied by the fishery?
The particle rule is actually quite sensible, it means that particles are properly prepared, and raw particles are not a danger to carp.
Boilies; I'm not sure where I read it, (quite possibly Pallatrax bumpf) but the ingredients used are biodegradable, and the boilies themselves will break down in water.
The weights rule, using Stonze, again, responsible'ish. It means that no drop-off leads pollute the water. Stonze may not cast long distances, (not needed on such a small water), but long casting is not needed everywhere.
Hooks, having to use the Gripz hooks, open to debate. I do not know the mouth damage of a Gripz vs a crimped or standard barbed, and I do think barbless may cause additional damage.
The 'braided' hooklink rule, to prevent cheek or scissor damage, that is covered by having a shrink tubing kicker or line aligner (a presumption that line aligners are acceptable as doing the same job as a kicker).
At the end of it, the rules do look like Simon Pomeroy is trying to protect his stock.
I actually worked my way through the list, and to be honest, there are other lakes with rules that are more stringent than these, most of the rules do actually seem very sensible, like alcohol in moderation, and no illegal drugs.
I take it the ones that bug you are only using fishery supplied baits, particles and boilies supplied by the fishery?
The particle rule is actually quite sensible, it means that particles are properly prepared, and raw particles are not a danger to carp.
Boilies; I'm not sure where I read it, (quite possibly Pallatrax bumpf) but the ingredients used are biodegradable, and the boilies themselves will break down in water.
The weights rule, using Stonze, again, responsible'ish. It means that no drop-off leads pollute the water. Stonze may not cast long distances, (not needed on such a small water), but long casting is not needed everywhere.
Hooks, having to use the Gripz hooks, open to debate. I do not know the mouth damage of a Gripz vs a crimped or standard barbed, and I do think barbless may cause additional damage.
The 'braided' hooklink rule, to prevent cheek or scissor damage, that is covered by having a shrink tubing kicker or line aligner (a presumption that line aligners are acceptable as doing the same job as a kicker).
At the end of it, the rules do look like Simon Pomeroy is trying to protect his stock.
My club lakes have banned that free fall leader material from Rigmarole. When I inquired with the club the reason behind it. They said the in metal wire coil could unwind and cause a problem. I'm only assuming this was through experience. Anybody else had any problem with this material?
In reply to Post #26
Tethered carp have been retrieved from snags with the leader material present, so they banned in instantly.
Same with metal framed cradles. They have caused rib damaged when flipping/dropped.
Tethered carp have been retrieved from snags with the leader material present, so they banned in instantly.
Same with metal framed cradles. They have caused rib damaged when flipping/dropped.
In reply to Post #26
My last syndy had several 'rules' that were fiercely enforced - tubing only was one of them but the rigmarole stuff was openly encouraged . . .!
No leaders of any description (including PVA bag stems)
Tubing only at least 1m length
No leads over 1.5oz (any set up - eg clip / running / heli)
Leads over 1.5oz only allowed if used with MCF Dumper clip (no other brands / clips allowed)
Barbed / Micro Barbed hooks only
No Ronnie Rigs / Spinner Rigs
1kg house pellet (supplied free issue) had to be introduced every 24hrs
Nets / Slings / Cradles (all supplied) had to be thoroughly cleaned at end of session and returned to hut on numbered rack (woe betide you mistook a 6 for 9)
All captures graffed (both sides) and weights recorded and captured in book in hut on completion of sessions
to your point re Rigmarole the coils can be exposed if the outer braid is damaged / rubbed through but I've been using this stuff for some time and this has only happed once; at which point like most sensible anglers it was immediately replaced . . .
My last syndy had several 'rules' that were fiercely enforced - tubing only was one of them but the rigmarole stuff was openly encouraged . . .!
No leaders of any description (including PVA bag stems)
Tubing only at least 1m length
No leads over 1.5oz (any set up - eg clip / running / heli)
Leads over 1.5oz only allowed if used with MCF Dumper clip (no other brands / clips allowed)
Barbed / Micro Barbed hooks only
No Ronnie Rigs / Spinner Rigs
1kg house pellet (supplied free issue) had to be introduced every 24hrs
Nets / Slings / Cradles (all supplied) had to be thoroughly cleaned at end of session and returned to hut on numbered rack (woe betide you mistook a 6 for 9)
All captures graffed (both sides) and weights recorded and captured in book in hut on completion of sessions
to your point re Rigmarole the coils can be exposed if the outer braid is damaged / rubbed through but I've been using this stuff for some time and this has only happed once; at which point like most sensible anglers it was immediately replaced . . .
Small club I'm a member of in suffolk have some interesting ones as it's run by a load of old boys from the match fishing scene
- max 1oz lead
- running rigs only, no heli's, lead clips or semi fixed inlines
- max 1kg bait per angler per day
- max size 10 hooks
- no ‘mass baiting devices' including spods,spombs, baiting poles
Luckily now there are more carp anglers on the committee than match guys so we are going to get the rules amended
- max 1oz lead
- running rigs only, no heli's, lead clips or semi fixed inlines
- max 1kg bait per angler per day
- max size 10 hooks
- no ‘mass baiting devices' including spods,spombs, baiting poles
Luckily now there are more carp anglers on the committee than match guys so we are going to get the rules amended
In reply to Post #26
I used it a couple of times then stopped after I had personal concerns with it. Once the heat shrink falls off the end, it leaves the metal bit exposed. I was a bit worried about it damaging the line.
I used it a couple of times then stopped after I had personal concerns with it. Once the heat shrink falls off the end, it leaves the metal bit exposed. I was a bit worried about it damaging the line.