Has anyone seen or taken a punt on these.
I know looks don't necessarily mean the internals are the same however Fox are notorious for relabling things from china, the cookware being the prime example.
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I know looks don't necessarily mean the internals are the same however Fox are notorious for relabling things from china, the cookware being the prime example.
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In reply to Post #1
Go on ali express website search Jy-82 bite alarms their slightly cheaper your probably get charged import tax if you buy from the eBay listing on Ali express the tax is normally already included in the price but you could still get charged import tax . From reports I've seen people that bought them for £132 posted a few weeks ago didn't pay any import tax . I did a post on here a couple of weeks ago asking about them when you could have got 4 alarms and receiver for £132 posted from Ali express but that offer has now gone they have changeable led colour , same alarm tones as the Rx+
Go on ali express website search Jy-82 bite alarms their slightly cheaper your probably get charged import tax if you buy from the eBay listing on Ali express the tax is normally already included in the price but you could still get charged import tax . From reports I've seen people that bought them for £132 posted a few weeks ago didn't pay any import tax . I did a post on here a couple of weeks ago asking about them when you could have got 4 alarms and receiver for £132 posted from Ali express but that offer has now gone they have changeable led colour , same alarm tones as the Rx+
In reply to Post #2
Someone on here bought some recently so hopefully they can feed back after 6 months of use.......
Someone on here bought some recently so hopefully they can feed back after 6 months of use.......
In reply to Post #1
I'm no scientist, but on their video showing their waterproof effectiveness there's quite a bit of air bubbles. All that water sitting in the alarm, sure it may work initially but can't see them being 'waterproof' long term.
I'm no scientist, but on their video showing their waterproof effectiveness there's quite a bit of air bubbles. All that water sitting in the alarm, sure it may work initially but can't see them being 'waterproof' long term.
In reply to Post #1
They can't be any worse than an actual Fox RX+
I bought 3, 2 of them have gone wrong so far.
I'm a long time user of Fox alarms (original DXRs and user of all their alarms since) and so this isn't sour grapes...but I am not impressed with the waterproofing of the RX+ (I had may as well have bought Delkims if I wanted leaky alarms!)
At least buying the snides will be cheaper when they go wrong...probably out of the same factory but without the Fox Tax
They can't be any worse than an actual Fox RX+
I bought 3, 2 of them have gone wrong so far.
I'm a long time user of Fox alarms (original DXRs and user of all their alarms since) and so this isn't sour grapes...but I am not impressed with the waterproofing of the RX+ (I had may as well have bought Delkims if I wanted leaky alarms!)
At least buying the snides will be cheaper when they go wrong...probably out of the same factory but without the Fox Tax
In reply to Post #4
lol yep, they are filling with water. You can see they float one end until the air comes out and water fills them up, then they sink. She's even shaking the water out when she takes them out. Working 10 seconds after being submerged is nothing like working a week or a month later when they've been left soaked through.
Unless the electronics inside are totally sealed from the case then they're not going to last long.
lol yep, they are filling with water. You can see they float one end until the air comes out and water fills them up, then they sink. She's even shaking the water out when she takes them out. Working 10 seconds after being submerged is nothing like working a week or a month later when they've been left soaked through.
Unless the electronics inside are totally sealed from the case then they're not going to last long.
In reply to Post #5
Always the case with some alarms that you get some dodgy ones unfortunately...I have owned a set of 4 RX+ for 3 years, not one of them has missed a beat
Always the case with some alarms that you get some dodgy ones unfortunately...I have owned a set of 4 RX+ for 3 years, not one of them has missed a beat
I must admit I'm a bit of a brand snob, but I'm miffed that I missed 4 of these for £130. Spend that on a few bags of bait. If anyone who got that deal wants to flog a set second hand, I'm sure I can rustle up £75 or so 🤣
In reply to Post #1
It's very likely a contract manufacturer fox were using went bust / got stuck with a load of stock stock / or an employee stole the designs and got them built elsewhere to make a quick buck
Common place sadly in China, will they stand the test of time have they been manufactured to a high quality standard, probably not.
You pays the money you take the chance.
It's very likely a contract manufacturer fox were using went bust / got stuck with a load of stock stock / or an employee stole the designs and got them built elsewhere to make a quick buck
Common place sadly in China, will they stand the test of time have they been manufactured to a high quality standard, probably not.
You pays the money you take the chance.
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You can't vote Trump but u can vote Farage at the next election, make a diff6
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You can't vote Trump but u can vote Farage at the next election, make a diff6
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In reply to Post #11
Three idiots in one post.
Three idiots in one post.
In reply to Post #12
Back from your sabbatical 😀
Back from your sabbatical 😀
In reply to Post #12
Says the idiot that voted Labour.
Says the idiot that voted Labour.
That didn't take long...
In all of this the biggest losers are the tackle shops as they'll be the ones with stock they can't sell. Not for me.
In reply to Post #15
Perhaps he needs the money so he can buy a set of 4 Rx+ for £600 😂😂😂
Perhaps he needs the money so he can buy a set of 4 Rx+ for £600 😂😂😂
In reply to Post #15
It's not about budget, as I honestly don't see why you'd spend £200 on some copies with pretty much no guarantee when you can buy a set of MX for around the same money, or other tried and tested alarms, and spend it once.
These will just sell to people who don't mind losing some money and taking a punt on a possible bargain if they did turn out to be good.
It's not about budget, as I honestly don't see why you'd spend £200 on some copies with pretty much no guarantee when you can buy a set of MX for around the same money, or other tried and tested alarms, and spend it once.
These will just sell to people who don't mind losing some money and taking a punt on a possible bargain if they did turn out to be good.
In reply to Post #18
Well I took a punt on these and got a set of 4 plus remote for £128 and think they are fantastic
Value.
I have been carp fishing over 30 years and have owned lots of alarms in that time including the original fox Rx which I have a set of 4 but like most carp anglers can't help myself when I see a bargain.
I really like the way you change the colour of the LEDs and the different tones you get from these alarms but only time will tell how reliable they are.
As I have said in another thread about these alarms I will feedback after I have used them a while and been through the elements but personally I already think they will last the test of time as they feel very well built.
Well I took a punt on these and got a set of 4 plus remote for £128 and think they are fantastic
Value.
I have been carp fishing over 30 years and have owned lots of alarms in that time including the original fox Rx which I have a set of 4 but like most carp anglers can't help myself when I see a bargain.
I really like the way you change the colour of the LEDs and the different tones you get from these alarms but only time will tell how reliable they are.
As I have said in another thread about these alarms I will feedback after I have used them a while and been through the elements but personally I already think they will last the test of time as they feel very well built.
In reply to Post #19
After seeing some of the movies, it seems water ingress wil determine the life time...
I would open these up and spray the electronics with a protective layer and also seal the alarms.
After seeing some of the movies, it seems water ingress wil determine the life time...
I would open these up and spray the electronics with a protective layer and also seal the alarms.
In reply to Post #20
Well they state that they are 100% waterproof so I'm going to test them as they are👍
Well they state that they are 100% waterproof so I'm going to test them as they are👍
In reply to Post #21
Be interesting to see if they stand up to a couple of years use, as the cases do let in a fair bit of water in that submerging video. At the end of the day, Chinese factories make everything from the cheapest tat to the highest end gear, the difference is the quality of components used and quality control. Direct selling lowers the end cost significantly.
Be interesting to see if they stand up to a couple of years use, as the cases do let in a fair bit of water in that submerging video. At the end of the day, Chinese factories make everything from the cheapest tat to the highest end gear, the difference is the quality of components used and quality control. Direct selling lowers the end cost significantly.
Buy cheap buy twice. Don't see the point of buying replica bite alarms... You just know they will fail sooner or later.
If you want cheaper reliable bite alarms get a set of mini microns, mx's or a set of gardner att's.
If you want cheaper reliable bite alarms get a set of mini microns, mx's or a set of gardner att's.
In reply to Post #23
Not always. I'm not saying you are wrong but there is a chance they could be built to the same standard as the RX+.
Not always. I'm not saying you are wrong but there is a chance they could be built to the same standard as the RX+.
In reply to Post #23
I won't be buying twice as I already own dozens of sets of alarms that work I only bought these as I was curious to see if they were any near fox quality and so far I'm very impressed.
I won't be buying twice as I already own dozens of sets of alarms that work I only bought these as I was curious to see if they were any near fox quality and so far I'm very impressed.
In reply to Post #23
It's always around this time of year, money is tight and folk get caught out by scams on eBay
It's always around this time of year, money is tight and folk get caught out by scams on eBay
In reply to Post #22
It will be interesting to see if they last, has anyone filmed an original rx+ being submerged to compare it to? or any other top end alarms for that matter? I know the atts have been filmed working under water but i think they are one of the few that can withstand it.
I don't think i would be confident submerging most of the alarms on the market without the risk of any kind of problems i have had top end alarms that have suffered with water ingress through heavy rain let alone being submerged in water.
It will be interesting to see if they last, has anyone filmed an original rx+ being submerged to compare it to? or any other top end alarms for that matter? I know the atts have been filmed working under water but i think they are one of the few that can withstand it.
I don't think i would be confident submerging most of the alarms on the market without the risk of any kind of problems i have had top end alarms that have suffered with water ingress through heavy rain let alone being submerged in water.
I've bought the wpe version for my young lad and to honest can't fault them at all yet, I used them a few weeks ago and have left them out in the garden in up to now mild frost and moderate rain and soaked them with hose pipe and can report that they work perfectly. I will put them through there paces over the winter and report back next year with my findings.
To add the build quality is superb and equal to any fox alarms I've owned. They don't have as many features of the rx but everything you're ever going to need
To add the build quality is superb and equal to any fox alarms I've owned. They don't have as many features of the rx but everything you're ever going to need
In reply to Post #27
I find it hard to believe any alarm could be fully submerged in water and will be 100% waterproof.
Surely something will get in through the controls, switch, sockets or the sensor.
I'm trying to think how those items could be made fully submergible, without guessing does anyone know?
I find it hard to believe any alarm could be fully submerged in water and will be 100% waterproof.
Surely something will get in through the controls, switch, sockets or the sensor.
I'm trying to think how those items could be made fully submergible, without guessing does anyone know?
In reply to Post #29
As per post 28 i have been witness to a atts alarm working underwater for a prolonged period of time... implemented as a snide 4th rod fully submerged in a margin
As per post 28 i have been witness to a atts alarm working underwater for a prolonged period of time... implemented as a snide 4th rod fully submerged in a margin
With no switch or speaker and the magnetic reed switch inside the sealed case the ATTS should be able to work underwater without issue. It's a nice design in that sense. If they added a bit more intelligence to the circuit to help with false bleeps they would be very good alarms.
It really shouldn't be that difficult to make a waterproof bite alarm. The new Carp Sounder alarms are demonstrated as working while submerged. Can't find anybody that sells them over here yet.
It really shouldn't be that difficult to make a waterproof bite alarm. The new Carp Sounder alarms are demonstrated as working while submerged. Can't find anybody that sells them over here yet.
@ jhhilton1983
@Beyonce
If you say so then it must be possible
Not nowadays but electronics used to be a hobby so I'd be interested in how it's achieved
As for an alarm set up and working underwater. I would've thought the combination of line, roller and bobbin would react differently submerged as opposed to being above water in the air.
Still if it's a snide then I suppose you have to suffer sensitivity?
Getting back to the Cooner, along with Fox, Delkim and others I wouldn't submerge any of them for more than a few seconds
@Beyonce
If you say so then it must be possible
Not nowadays but electronics used to be a hobby so I'd be interested in how it's achieved
As for an alarm set up and working underwater. I would've thought the combination of line, roller and bobbin would react differently submerged as opposed to being above water in the air.
Still if it's a snide then I suppose you have to suffer sensitivity?
Getting back to the Cooner, along with Fox, Delkim and others I wouldn't submerge any of them for more than a few seconds
In reply to Post #32
The ATTS have no socket, speaker, switch. Only an LED. The case can therefore be sealed like any IP68 junction box and if done properly will not leak when immersed indefinitely.
The magnetic sensing is just magnets on a wheel (nothing to go wrong electrically there) and a reed switch that picks up the magnet moving past as the roller rotates. The reed switch, battery and electronics are inside the sealed case. Very simple and very little to go wrong.
If they would update the circuit with some sort of speed sensing to help with false indication they would be perfect.
The ATTS have no socket, speaker, switch. Only an LED. The case can therefore be sealed like any IP68 junction box and if done properly will not leak when immersed indefinitely.
The magnetic sensing is just magnets on a wheel (nothing to go wrong electrically there) and a reed switch that picks up the magnet moving past as the roller rotates. The reed switch, battery and electronics are inside the sealed case. Very simple and very little to go wrong.
If they would update the circuit with some sort of speed sensing to help with false indication they would be perfect.
In reply to Post #33
Thanks for explaining. I've never seen an ATT. I don't like too many bells and whistles on an alarm, sounds like these don't have any!
Thanks for explaining. I've never seen an ATT. I don't like too many bells and whistles on an alarm, sounds like these don't have any!
In reply to Post #34
In the past we (in the Netherlands) had a brand called Knuckleheads. Those were absolutely bomb proof and they could also be submerged. On the biggest carp fair in Europe (Carp Zwolle or now Den Bosch) they were displayed in aquariums and still working.
They had the electronics totally sealed in epoxy and were very reliable. I had 6 of them. They were available in different models up to totally wireless reciever.
In the past we (in the Netherlands) had a brand called Knuckleheads. Those were absolutely bomb proof and they could also be submerged. On the biggest carp fair in Europe (Carp Zwolle or now Den Bosch) they were displayed in aquariums and still working.
They had the electronics totally sealed in epoxy and were very reliable. I had 6 of them. They were available in different models up to totally wireless reciever.
In reply to Post #35
Never heard of Knuckle Heads. Found a photo on eBay for anyone else who was curious (but possibly won't be after seeing the photo)
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Never heard of Knuckle Heads. Found a photo on eBay for anyone else who was curious (but possibly won't be after seeing the photo)
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In reply to Post #36
They've a bit of a look of the old Optonics about them. (to me anyway)
They've a bit of a look of the old Optonics about them. (to me anyway)
In reply to Post #36
Oh god now you've done it, this won't leave my head...muppets mana mana..it's the red speaker highlights
Oh god now you've done it, this won't leave my head...muppets mana mana..it's the red speaker highlights
In reply to Post #38
They weren't the prettiest things, but for people wanting ultimate waterproofness, they were the ones. I even heard stories about people fishing a sneaky rod under water with them.
They weren't the prettiest things, but for people wanting ultimate waterproofness, they were the ones. I even heard stories about people fishing a sneaky rod under water with them.
Well under water you can't hear the alarm and only frequencies up to 1Mhz work under water, with most bite alarms being 868Mhz how will it be able to connect to the receiver ?that sounds like a load of cobblers to me.
In reply to Post #32
Many years ago i turned up for a quick overnighted after dark, I'm my rush to set up i some how dropped one of my Fox SX alarms in the margin, in darkness i couldnt locate it, i had another rummage in the morning and found it, battery removed little shake, battery back in and it worked fine.... When i got home a dried again took the battery out, left it near the radiator and then in a tub of pallets for a few days and it lasted a good few years more till i sold them on, it was still working fine....
Many years ago i turned up for a quick overnighted after dark, I'm my rush to set up i some how dropped one of my Fox SX alarms in the margin, in darkness i couldnt locate it, i had another rummage in the morning and found it, battery removed little shake, battery back in and it worked fine.... When i got home a dried again took the battery out, left it near the radiator and then in a tub of pallets for a few days and it lasted a good few years more till i sold them on, it was still working fine....
In reply to Post #41
You did the right thing drying it out, its the luck of the draw with water damage what some electronics will take and then work again after drying out.
Im a maintenance engineer in a food factory and regularly come in to things in the morning failed due to water ingress after the cleaners have been in even things with high ip ratings, obviously some things do blow and fail, but you would be amazed how often things work again after drying out.
You did the right thing drying it out, its the luck of the draw with water damage what some electronics will take and then work again after drying out.
Im a maintenance engineer in a food factory and regularly come in to things in the morning failed due to water ingress after the cleaners have been in even things with high ip ratings, obviously some things do blow and fail, but you would be amazed how often things work again after drying out.
In reply to Post #36
Knuckle heads are cool as... I'd love a set of the remote versions
Knuckle heads are cool as... I'd love a set of the remote versions
In reply to Post #41
Turn of the century we were fishing Joncherry in France, got there, glorious April day, mid 70's. Started setting up and there was this single black squall cloud on the horizon, it wasn't even that big, probably a mile round. Headed straight for us and as it was almost over us, before the heavens opened the wind started. (you'll know what I mean if you've experienced these squalls). We were on a ponton about 6" higher than the lake...the waves got bigger and bigger until one came in about 6" higher than the front of the ponton, straight over it came, and on it's way back into the lake it took my mates Fox pod complete with Delks. We sat in our bivvies until it passed over, maybe a good 10 minutes then my mate managed to get in and find his pod (it was only shallow). Anyway, he left them out to dry in the sun and that night they were workig again.
Turn of the century we were fishing Joncherry in France, got there, glorious April day, mid 70's. Started setting up and there was this single black squall cloud on the horizon, it wasn't even that big, probably a mile round. Headed straight for us and as it was almost over us, before the heavens opened the wind started. (you'll know what I mean if you've experienced these squalls). We were on a ponton about 6" higher than the lake...the waves got bigger and bigger until one came in about 6" higher than the front of the ponton, straight over it came, and on it's way back into the lake it took my mates Fox pod complete with Delks. We sat in our bivvies until it passed over, maybe a good 10 minutes then my mate managed to get in and find his pod (it was only shallow). Anyway, he left them out to dry in the sun and that night they were workig again.
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