I'm not sure whether posting something about the murder of an angler, who was bivvied up on the Thames is okay with the forum rules? Hence the title of the thread.
If not then please remove.
If okay, then a YouTube search for "Killer at The Crime Scene S01E03" might be of interest,
RIP to the angler concerned.
If not then please remove.
If okay, then a YouTube search for "Killer at The Crime Scene S01E03" might be of interest,
RIP to the angler concerned.
In reply to Post #1
The sentences they received are a disgrace,if you take a life you should receive life or even better bring back the death penalty.The three scumbags should never be part of society again
The sentences they received are a disgrace,if you take a life you should receive life or even better bring back the death penalty.The three scumbags should never be part of society again
In reply to Post #2
One of them won't .
One of them won't .
This was a while ago now wasn't it....2018 ish?
In reply to Post #2
This is every solo anglers worst nightmare fishing public areas; middle aged man vs three brainwashed lads - he should have clocked them on arrival and fished elsewhere or scarpered at the first sense of aggro; easier said than done I'm sure as they made him feel comfortable before sucker punching him etc
Lord of the flies mentality - kids and knives with zero sense of responsibility in their actions and no respect for anyone even themselves; you can blame their parents / society / whoever but I fear its getting worse and on that basis they should be jailed indefinitely or at least up to an age where it becomes impossible for them to harm others ever again . . .
This is every solo anglers worst nightmare fishing public areas; middle aged man vs three brainwashed lads - he should have clocked them on arrival and fished elsewhere or scarpered at the first sense of aggro; easier said than done I'm sure as they made him feel comfortable before sucker punching him etc
Lord of the flies mentality - kids and knives with zero sense of responsibility in their actions and no respect for anyone even themselves; you can blame their parents / society / whoever but I fear its getting worse and on that basis they should be jailed indefinitely or at least up to an age where it becomes impossible for them to harm others ever again . . .
In reply to Post #3
Why won't he
Why won't he
In reply to Post #6
Solution is very simple... Every attack with knife or similar death penalty...
Solution is very simple... Every attack with knife or similar death penalty...
In reply to Post #5
I'm on the canal now and although it's quiet I did have a guy walk past yesterday then today and this time was asking for a fag said I do t smoke(I don't anyway)but I'll keep my hammer handy just in case but never had any trouble here before,not like the town centre stretch where I saw fights from opposite side and people being cocky especially teenagers but never got guts to come round,best thing......be polite or just ignore
I'm on the canal now and although it's quiet I did have a guy walk past yesterday then today and this time was asking for a fag said I do t smoke(I don't anyway)but I'll keep my hammer handy just in case but never had any trouble here before,not like the town centre stretch where I saw fights from opposite side and people being cocky especially teenagers but never got guts to come round,best thing......be polite or just ignore
In reply to Post #6
One of 'em committed suicide in 2020 whilst inside, a little note in the end credits. Good riddance to bad rubbish and all that.
One of 'em committed suicide in 2020 whilst inside, a little note in the end credits. Good riddance to bad rubbish and all that.
In reply to Post #8
Paracorded ball bearing on key ring ..
Paracorded ball bearing on key ring ..
In reply to Post #10
Bit cyriptic for me that pal, please elaborate for those outside the gimp suit scene... 
Bit cyriptic for me that pal, please elaborate for those outside the gimp suit scene...
In reply to Post #11
Do a search for Monkey Fist Paracord Key Chain...
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Do a search for Monkey Fist Paracord Key Chain...
Disclaimer:
Other key chains are available
In reply to Post #11
Ha,ha...what Cam said... ..
(Got shown a good example in the 80s by a drunk trawlerman ,moored up.)..
Long story...!
Ha,ha...what Cam said...
..(Got shown a good example in the 80s by a drunk trawlerman ,moored up.)..
Long story...!
In reply to Post #9
Hope he got a few beatings before he did it
Hope he got a few beatings before he did it
In reply to Post #12
Don't think a monkey fist / hammer is going to help in a 3 vs 1 when the assailants have knives and in a compromised woodland space next to a deep river; even the most adept at unarmed combat wouldn't stand a chance . . .might get a few cursory blows in but that's about it; three pure knockouts with zero return damage in the process - very doubtful
Don't think a monkey fist / hammer is going to help in a 3 vs 1 when the assailants have knives and in a compromised woodland space next to a deep river; even the most adept at unarmed combat wouldn't stand a chance . . .might get a few cursory blows in but that's about it; three pure knockouts with zero return damage in the process - very doubtful
In reply to Post #15
And if you smash them to death with a Hammer, then what?
Throw them in the River and hope for the best I guess.
And if you smash them to death with a Hammer, then what?
Throw them in the River and hope for the best I guess.
In reply to Post #16
Or,you could start drinking a can of Bud lite ,they'd soon go away then.!
Problem solved ,end of problem...he,he...!
Or,you could start drinking a can of Bud lite ,they'd soon go away then.!
Problem solved ,end of problem...he,he...!
In reply to Post #16
Trust know one nowadays always be on your guard
Trust know one nowadays always be on your guard
In reply to Post #18
Being street wise has jack to do with being on your guard; best form of defence is to remove yourself from the situation in the first place. Even 1v1; defending yourself from a knife wielded with intent is stupid with a very low % of any success - unless you have a katana / shotgun in which case its you that's doing life . . .lose lose situation
Being street wise has jack to do with being on your guard; best form of defence is to remove yourself from the situation in the first place. Even 1v1; defending yourself from a knife wielded with intent is stupid with a very low % of any success - unless you have a katana / shotgun in which case its you that's doing life . . .lose lose situation
In reply to Post #19
I'm on about life in general wherever I'm fishing I still trust no one even if I'm out and about I trust no one it's not like years ago for it's nothing to do with being streetwise or cocky etc
I'm on about life in general wherever I'm fishing I still trust no one even if I'm out and about I trust no one it's not like years ago for it's nothing to do with being streetwise or cocky etc
As scary these incidents are they are extremely rare , you've got more chance of being injured or dyeing in an RTA on the way to fishing .
Baseball bat in the rod holdall when fishing alone
In reply to Post #22
Doubt it would help outnumbered three to one .
Doubt it would help outnumbered three to one .
In reply to Post #22
Tazer on the bivvy table, just incase
Tazer on the bivvy table, just incase
In reply to Post #21
To dye in a RTA you'd need to hit a bleach lorry at over 40 mph whist wear goggles
To dye in a RTA you'd need to hit a bleach lorry at over 40 mph whist wear goggles
I suppose this is the next natural progression from a bivvy alarm
In reply to Post #26
Na, I like the response to be on my command, sadly some venues won't allow Poppy and Kiss to come with me.
Na, I like the response to be on my command, sadly some venues won't allow Poppy and Kiss to come with me.
In reply to Post #27
And then your dogs get taken off you and put down.
And then your dogs get taken off you and put down.
In reply to Post #28
Rubbish, when did a police dog ever get put down for obeying it's handler.
Rubbish, when did a police dog ever get put down for obeying it's handler.
In reply to Post #5
Problem is I think is its an island, not easy to get away from.
There is a Metro.uk news report with the trial sentences
https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/18/moment-i-stumbled-on-horrific-scene-of-fisherman-boyfriends-murder-8919645/
Really sad that someone doing what he loved should be killed by thugs. Sad that those thugs are in society today, not just those 3 (now 2) but how society is turning them out.
Problem is I think is its an island, not easy to get away from.
There is a Metro.uk news report with the trial sentences
https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/18/moment-i-stumbled-on-horrific-scene-of-fisherman-boyfriends-murder-8919645/
Really sad that someone doing what he loved should be killed by thugs. Sad that those thugs are in society today, not just those 3 (now 2) but how society is turning them out.
This is close to where I live and I heard at the time the story was
Scott phoned his mate about these guys chucking all the rubbish up the bank and in the river and he was going to have a word with them when they come back
how true that was will never know
I just wish we could hang people again it was stopped because innocent people were wrongly hanged
but now with terrific advancements in proving 100% with DNA and CCTV etc I would vote it in again
Scott phoned his mate about these guys chucking all the rubbish up the bank and in the river and he was going to have a word with them when they come back
how true that was will never know
I just wish we could hang people again it was stopped because innocent people were wrongly hanged
but now with terrific advancements in proving 100% with DNA and CCTV etc I would vote it in again
In reply to Post #31
I'd rather see them rot, slowly.
I think if you brought death penalty back, you'd get more crime.
I'd rather see them rot, slowly.
I think if you brought death penalty back, you'd get more crime.
In reply to Post #31
I agree,a life for a life
I agree,a life for a life
In reply to Post #31
Unfortunately gerry, we don't have a police force / legal system that is 100% reliable and unbiased. Look at the recent reports on the met.
And Nick - your comment about what society is creating. ... look at this thread and how quickly it turned into a 'if it was me I'd.. etc' pissing contest. Any kid reading this is going to think he should be carrying anything between a claw hammer and a matching set of pitbulls.
Not the best example to set is it?
Unfortunately gerry, we don't have a police force / legal system that is 100% reliable and unbiased. Look at the recent reports on the met.
And Nick - your comment about what society is creating. ... look at this thread and how quickly it turned into a 'if it was me I'd.. etc' pissing contest. Any kid reading this is going to think he should be carrying anything between a claw hammer and a matching set of pitbulls.
Not the best example to set is it?
In reply to Post #32
trouble is they dont rot slowly ?
the truth is with the doo gooder society life inside is a bloody holiday camp with prisoners getting 3 meals a day TV and got knows what all their needs are catered for nothing to worry about all their clothes cleaned etc
enjoying a better lifestyle than some OAP`s AND
when the brother thats still alive completes his minimum 15 years he will still only be 34 !!!
out and free as a bird GGGRRRRR Scott is dead forever
trouble is they dont rot slowly ?
the truth is with the doo gooder society life inside is a bloody holiday camp with prisoners getting 3 meals a day TV and got knows what all their needs are catered for nothing to worry about all their clothes cleaned etc
enjoying a better lifestyle than some OAP`s AND
when the brother thats still alive completes his minimum 15 years he will still only be 34 !!!
out and free as a bird GGGRRRRR Scott is dead forever
In reply to Post #34
Agree - as a 'civilised' society I don't think stringing people up is the answer; may as well bring back stocks for the village idiot / my scolding missus whilst we are at it (actually that's not a bad idea) . . prison should be enough of a wake up call for the remaining two - that's if they survive
I've got teenage lads and its a fine line bringing them up and setting the right example these days with all the desensitising sh*te that's online . . .thats the real problem IMHO. As a parent you want them to be confident and safe, even in the face of occasional adversity without having to wrap them up in cotton wool; as time goes on I'm thinking I wish I'd done the latter . . .
Agree - as a 'civilised' society I don't think stringing people up is the answer; may as well bring back stocks for the village idiot / my scolding missus whilst we are at it (actually that's not a bad idea) . . prison should be enough of a wake up call for the remaining two - that's if they survive
I've got teenage lads and its a fine line bringing them up and setting the right example these days with all the desensitising sh*te that's online . . .thats the real problem IMHO. As a parent you want them to be confident and safe, even in the face of occasional adversity without having to wrap them up in cotton wool; as time goes on I'm thinking I wish I'd done the latter . . .
In reply to Post #23
There are three heads to aim at though.
There are three heads to aim at though.
In reply to Post #34
I'm probably not the best example of society myself, one heck of a temper, been 'warned' a few times by the old bill for defending myself, although after being stabbed by a junkie with a needle when I was working as a Loss Prevention officer and seeing him get 18months which after spending that on remand meant he was out almost straight away. Yet I had 2 years of HIV tests, Hep B immunisations and the family stress and breakdown that caused.
Any weapon, baseball bat, hammer even, shows intent to harm, even in defence, whereas a throwing stick or Maglite Torch for example is defensive, and not offensive.
Mind you, I do have a tough looking Husky, who if you approached her at night or with a walking or hiking or any stick would make you think twice with her bark.
(She is a rescue, and hates people with sticks, think I know why).
I'm probably not the best example of society myself, one heck of a temper, been 'warned' a few times by the old bill for defending myself, although after being stabbed by a junkie with a needle when I was working as a Loss Prevention officer and seeing him get 18months which after spending that on remand meant he was out almost straight away. Yet I had 2 years of HIV tests, Hep B immunisations and the family stress and breakdown that caused.
Any weapon, baseball bat, hammer even, shows intent to harm, even in defence, whereas a throwing stick or Maglite Torch for example is defensive, and not offensive.
Mind you, I do have a tough looking Husky, who if you approached her at night or with a walking or hiking or any stick would make you think twice with her bark.
(She is a rescue, and hates people with sticks, think I know why).
And this is exactly why I carry a machete on certain waters that I fish.
And Obviously it's for cutting back over grown swims like branches stinging nettles etc etc.
And Obviously it's for cutting back over grown swims like branches stinging nettles etc etc.
In reply to Post #37
Probably more chance of yours being smashed from behind as they won't stand in a line waiting for you.
#Mal they are not pitbulls.
Probably more chance of yours being smashed from behind as they won't stand in a line waiting for you.
#Mal they are not pitbulls.
In reply to Post #40
Meh. Pitbulls, rottweilers, mastiffs..... you see one canine manifestation of aggressive male insecurity you've seen them all....
Meh. Pitbulls, rottweilers, mastiffs..... you see one canine manifestation of aggressive male insecurity you've seen them all....
In reply to Post #41
Never realised you were so narrow minded, they as actually belong to my girlfriend who has owned the breed for over fourty years
Never realised you were so narrow minded, they as actually belong to my girlfriend who has owned the breed for over fourty years
I've never taken my dog on an overnighter but must admit I'm somewhat the opposite of this thread in that, whilst visually he looks imposing and may be an effective deterrent, if anything kicked off I'd want him to stay out of it. He's like my baby and I wouldn't want him being hurt, if he did step in to protect me I'd be distracted/try to protect him and probably would end up in a worse situation than if I was alone.
Mines more of a trip hazard than a ferocious bivvy defender
All this bravado of weapons etc.
It's insured, why bother risking your life over a bunch of possessions, society is broken. I know this my wife is a teacher, year 8 kids punching teachers, calling them a C U next tuesday.
Someone comes up to me threatening to nick my stuff. Christ, if they pull a knife I'll help them carry it down the bank.
I've got 4 kids much rather wake up to see them another day
It's insured, why bother risking your life over a bunch of possessions, society is broken. I know this my wife is a teacher, year 8 kids punching teachers, calling them a C U next tuesday.
Someone comes up to me threatening to nick my stuff. Christ, if they pull a knife I'll help them carry it down the bank.
I've got 4 kids much rather wake up to see them another day
Just fish safe venues. Simples.
In reply to Post #45
I had 2 guys come past on the canal 2 nights ago they were pissed luckily the older guy said you spoke to my step son and that was it friends for life all because his son was also baiting up but had gone away on holiday,he said if I have any hassle mention his name as he was known in area now I know he was drunk and so was the younger guy but people like that are no issue just taking dog for a walk and stumbled on some one fishing,I'd much rather fish where I am now than my town stretch where kids/adults gangs used it as a short cut the amount of hassle i had even though they are on opposite side was ridiculous but I was still careful,not just me either pleasure anglers fished my side because of the hassle they got especially if they were older.
The stretch I'm on is 30 minute walk with my gear(obviously stop and starting) but i don't see many people maybe dog walkers and joggers oh I did have 3 motorbikes(well scooters)come past with 2 on each bike balaclaved up and in black like the so called road men but had no problem just stay out their way no issues it's because the wether is now picking up a lot more traffic on towpaths nowadays as people want to walk and get fit.
I had 2 guys come past on the canal 2 nights ago they were pissed luckily the older guy said you spoke to my step son and that was it friends for life all because his son was also baiting up but had gone away on holiday,he said if I have any hassle mention his name as he was known in area now I know he was drunk and so was the younger guy but people like that are no issue just taking dog for a walk and stumbled on some one fishing,I'd much rather fish where I am now than my town stretch where kids/adults gangs used it as a short cut the amount of hassle i had even though they are on opposite side was ridiculous but I was still careful,not just me either pleasure anglers fished my side because of the hassle they got especially if they were older.
The stretch I'm on is 30 minute walk with my gear(obviously stop and starting) but i don't see many people maybe dog walkers and joggers oh I did have 3 motorbikes(well scooters)come past with 2 on each bike balaclaved up and in black like the so called road men but had no problem just stay out their way no issues it's because the wether is now picking up a lot more traffic on towpaths nowadays as people want to walk and get fit.
In reply to Post #45
Absolutely spot on.
Absolutely spot on.
In reply to Post #46
they are all safe until A nutter comes along
and that can happen ANYWHERE
they are all safe until A nutter comes along
and that can happen ANYWHERE
In reply to Post #49
I remember when I lived in Southampton and was fishing a tiny lake not far from home got my dogs with me(2 Staffies) one was very protective other was friendly,anyway couple of the locals(also drunks) who fished the place one of them took exception to me fishing never had issue with him before but he was with his wife he came over and tried to start I kept my cool as I'd got a lot of gear with me didn't want hassle just wanted to fish,anyway my dog came out of bivvy as usual if he didn't like you he'd let you know about it by tail down and a warning growl,the guy started to get lairy as he'd had some Stella's tried to kick my dog or my bivvy not sure which and my dog went for him,he stumbled away as his wife kept calling him and then a guy who I knew and got on really well came round and started on him asking why's he starting trouble when I hadn't done anything to kick it off and he walked off with his tail between his legs as his wife was going mad at him.
I remember when I lived in Southampton and was fishing a tiny lake not far from home got my dogs with me(2 Staffies) one was very protective other was friendly,anyway couple of the locals(also drunks) who fished the place one of them took exception to me fishing never had issue with him before but he was with his wife he came over and tried to start I kept my cool as I'd got a lot of gear with me didn't want hassle just wanted to fish,anyway my dog came out of bivvy as usual if he didn't like you he'd let you know about it by tail down and a warning growl,the guy started to get lairy as he'd had some Stella's tried to kick my dog or my bivvy not sure which and my dog went for him,he stumbled away as his wife kept calling him and then a guy who I knew and got on really well came round and started on him asking why's he starting trouble when I hadn't done anything to kick it off and he walked off with his tail between his legs as his wife was going mad at him.
In reply to Post #29
What an utterly ridiculous argument.
What an utterly ridiculous argument.
In reply to Post #51
Same as your your original response.when has a dog ever been put down for restraining an assailant.
Same as your your original response.when has a dog ever been put down for restraining an assailant.
In reply to Post #49
Very true, I think the key is to accustom yourself to the surroundings i.e when fishing on a local canal I would have a different people perception than say I would on the syndicate.
It is a scary world when some guys feel the need to be tooled up on the bankside just incase.
Very true, I think the key is to accustom yourself to the surroundings i.e when fishing on a local canal I would have a different people perception than say I would on the syndicate.
It is a scary world when some guys feel the need to be tooled up on the bankside just incase.
In reply to Post #53
The spots I choose are normaly a good walk there tends to be hardly any people about if the weather is poor but more about when the weather takes a turn for the better ie:joggers,dog walkers,cyclists and people using the cut as a short cut to get to and from work also more lads out on motor bikes when weather is better as coppers can't see what they are upto,it's sometimes like a taxi service 2 to a scooter and up land down dressed like ninjas,but never had any problems even the odd couple of school kids taking a shortcut never an issue, but town centre stretch can be bad with gangs of young lads from all ethnic backgrounds taking short cuts from the manor hospital to town centre,I know where I'd feel safer to fish over night.
The spots I choose are normaly a good walk there tends to be hardly any people about if the weather is poor but more about when the weather takes a turn for the better ie:joggers,dog walkers,cyclists and people using the cut as a short cut to get to and from work also more lads out on motor bikes when weather is better as coppers can't see what they are upto,it's sometimes like a taxi service 2 to a scooter and up land down dressed like ninjas,but never had any problems even the odd couple of school kids taking a shortcut never an issue, but town centre stretch can be bad with gangs of young lads from all ethnic backgrounds taking short cuts from the manor hospital to town centre,I know where I'd feel safer to fish over night.
In reply to Post #46
The theory is brilliant, but sadly not always possible.
On mine and Chanmenie's syndicate, that is in theory safe, no trespassing, a gated entrance, yet while walking Sky round the lake I have had to warn off Eastern European trespassers who climbed through the fence and hedgerow.
It doesn't take much for a safe area to become a dump, Chantry Park in Ipswich, even Alton Water used to be safe, but now it seems the dregs of society rule the roost.
It takes a lot of effort to get things back to decent.
On Alton even walking miles from the car park and hiding away isn't always enough. Drink, drugs and dogging in the car parks meant that they ended up being locked at night.
The theory is brilliant, but sadly not always possible.
On mine and Chanmenie's syndicate, that is in theory safe, no trespassing, a gated entrance, yet while walking Sky round the lake I have had to warn off Eastern European trespassers who climbed through the fence and hedgerow.
It doesn't take much for a safe area to become a dump, Chantry Park in Ipswich, even Alton Water used to be safe, but now it seems the dregs of society rule the roost.
It takes a lot of effort to get things back to decent.
On Alton even walking miles from the car park and hiding away isn't always enough. Drink, drugs and dogging in the car parks meant that they ended up being locked at night.
One could always carry a can of deep heat for a bad shoulder.
In reply to Post #29
they are licensed and doing job.
they are licensed and doing job.
In reply to Post #55
Bit of dogging would be decent entertainment on a summer evening
Bit of dogging would be decent entertainment on a summer evening
In reply to Post #40
There is that possibility but as soon as one is twitching on the floor I doubt the others would be hanging around.
I've only tried it with two though of which they soon scarpered after they realised I wasn't messing about doing my Sunday best (was a Sunday night actually, lol) to take off one of their heads with a spade.
The difference is that when you're not afraid of getting a beating then that's when one can get the upper hand.
There is that possibility but as soon as one is twitching on the floor I doubt the others would be hanging around.
I've only tried it with two though of which they soon scarpered after they realised I wasn't messing about doing my Sunday best (was a Sunday night actually, lol) to take off one of their heads with a spade.
The difference is that when you're not afraid of getting a beating then that's when one can get the upper hand.
In reply to Post #59
In reply to Post #59
Like most of the scum bags that are ruining our country. Stand up to the ****** and they bottle it. Thing is is it worth potentially not going home to your kids for the sake of these scum *****s
Like most of the scum bags that are ruining our country. Stand up to the ****** and they bottle it. Thing is is it worth potentially not going home to your kids for the sake of these scum *****s
In reply to Post #61
No, not worth it.
However, put in that situation then i still think i wouldn't let them take it without a fight.
No, not worth it.
However, put in that situation then i still think i wouldn't let them take it without a fight.
In reply to Post #19
Just in case you did ever find yourself in a situation where its 1 on 1 and the other person has a knife, when they lunge at you in a straight thrusting motion one way to quickly disarm the attacker is to slap the knife away in a clap like motion.
one hand hits the inside of the wrist where you would take someone's pulse the other hits the outside/back of the hand causing them to fold their hand in towards the chest, reflexes and pressure points make the assailant lose grip of the weapon straight away. This takes some practice and speed is required but with the world the way it is is very useful to have in the bank if you ever need it.
Just in case you did ever find yourself in a situation where its 1 on 1 and the other person has a knife, when they lunge at you in a straight thrusting motion one way to quickly disarm the attacker is to slap the knife away in a clap like motion.
one hand hits the inside of the wrist where you would take someone's pulse the other hits the outside/back of the hand causing them to fold their hand in towards the chest, reflexes and pressure points make the assailant lose grip of the weapon straight away. This takes some practice and speed is required but with the world the way it is is very useful to have in the bank if you ever need it.
In reply to Post #55
Shame to hear about Alton. Morbius (on here) who we both know has told me about less than desirable people wandering around and fishing in close proximity to him,much to his annoyance!. As for Chantry park that was on the downward spiral from the mid 80's onwards..its only got worse....and worse..... Melton had its issues a few years after I pulled off there, with stories of the baiiffs dealing to all and sundry incidents of assault etc. I think it might have pulled itself out of the mire now ?
Shame to hear about Alton. Morbius (on here) who we both know has told me about less than desirable people wandering around and fishing in close proximity to him,much to his annoyance!. As for Chantry park that was on the downward spiral from the mid 80's onwards..its only got worse....and worse..... Melton had its issues a few years after I pulled off there, with stories of the baiiffs dealing to all and sundry incidents of assault etc. I think it might have pulled itself out of the mire now ?
In reply to Post #64
The problems on Alton are much of the reason I stopped fishing it except for occasional trips, and no longer carp fishing there.
Chantry Park, a nightmare.
Drink and drugs, poaching and dead bodies...
I haven't fished Melton for ages, it just doesn't appeal except possibly for pike fishing, and I don't know if Sky (dogs) are allowed, and I rarely fish without her.
Morbeus, really nice guy. He's got a lovely lake to fish now, only 1 slightly annoying, mad man on the lake...
The problems on Alton are much of the reason I stopped fishing it except for occasional trips, and no longer carp fishing there.
Chantry Park, a nightmare.
Drink and drugs, poaching and dead bodies...
I haven't fished Melton for ages, it just doesn't appeal except possibly for pike fishing, and I don't know if Sky (dogs) are allowed, and I rarely fish without her.
Morbeus, really nice guy. He's got a lovely lake to fish now, only 1 slightly annoying, mad man on the lake...
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