I've just been looking at the JAG Black Excavator Sticks as I'd like another 15" one...
Couldn't believe the price increase from this time last year. I paid £46.99 for one last year and 2 x 10" versions for £38.99 each at the same time, they've gone up to £55.49 and £44.99 respectively, 15-18% increase.
Couldn't believe the price increase from this time last year. I paid £46.99 for one last year and 2 x 10" versions for £38.99 each at the same time, they've gone up to £55.49 and £44.99 respectively, 15-18% increase.
In reply to Post #1
It's about right
Have you seen raw metal material costs lately...
It's about right
Have you seen raw metal material costs lately...
In reply to Post #2
I haven't no.
I know £45 for a Bankstick is expensive, £55 is a bit too much for me!
I haven't no.
I know £45 for a Bankstick is expensive, £55 is a bit too much for me!
While I agree that Jag stuff started out a bit silly price wise, I'd agree that these rises may be justified. Price of steel has gone stupid and hopefully they have given their guys a pay rise to help with inflation. That's not to mention utilities etc.
Nobody needs a £55 bank stick, if it's too dear don't buy.
Nobody needs a £55 bank stick, if it's too dear don't buy.
In reply to Post #4
Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't need it...
Thinking I might weigh the rest of my bankware in as scrap though!
Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't need it...
Thinking I might weigh the rest of my bankware in as scrap though!
In reply to Post #5
Might pay for one then lol
You can get 3000 for clean Ali for a tonne
https://www.reclamet.co.uk/scrap-metal-prices
Might pay for one then lol
You can get 3000 for clean Ali for a tonne
https://www.reclamet.co.uk/scrap-metal-prices
A foo... tackle tart and his money are easily parted.
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In reply to Post #1
Not really that expensive as you inly buy them once and they will last forever.
Not really that expensive as you inly buy them once and they will last forever.
In reply to Post #2
They might have been made before the increase an engineering company would have a stock of steel who knows
a lot of people are taking advantage of the situation and people sticking up for companies doesn't help going by that increase mps pods should be £100 more
They might have been made before the increase an engineering company would have a stock of steel who knows
a lot of people are taking advantage of the situation and people sticking up for companies doesn't help going by that increase mps pods should be £100 more
In reply to Post #10
I'm sure a lot of companies (not just angling) price their stuff based on not how much it costs to make but how much they think they can get away with.
Sell fewer items with a massive profit per item, rather than sell more items and accept a lower profit per item.
You'll always get people who pay over the odds because they like buying expensive things, unlike me I prefer a bargain.
I'm sure a lot of companies (not just angling) price their stuff based on not how much it costs to make but how much they think they can get away with.
Sell fewer items with a massive profit per item, rather than sell more items and accept a lower profit per item.
You'll always get people who pay over the odds because they like buying expensive things, unlike me I prefer a bargain.
In reply to Post #11
Peanuts to anyone about to receive their Shell dividends.
Peanuts to anyone about to receive their Shell dividends.
In reply to Post #9
"Not really that expensive as you inly buy them once " - is that a joke? £50 for a steel rod to stick in the ground, that's crazy money. In the early '90's, I bought some cheap Gardner extending banksticks, still got 'em, still use 'em and they're still going strong.
I agree with others - that some companies are taking advantage of the current financial situation and increasing their prices disproportionally. Whereas some are absorbing price increases and not passing it on to customers. Bait manufacturers are a good example, not really seen much of a price hike, if anything. Guess there's a bit more competition in bait making than making luxury banksticks.
"Not really that expensive as you inly buy them once " - is that a joke? £50 for a steel rod to stick in the ground, that's crazy money. In the early '90's, I bought some cheap Gardner extending banksticks, still got 'em, still use 'em and they're still going strong.
I agree with others - that some companies are taking advantage of the current financial situation and increasing their prices disproportionally. Whereas some are absorbing price increases and not passing it on to customers. Bait manufacturers are a good example, not really seen much of a price hike, if anything. Guess there's a bit more competition in bait making than making luxury banksticks.
In reply to Post #13
In the early 90s some were still manufacturing consumer goods to last a lifetime. Over the past five years I've gone through 4 'high strength, rock solid' Avid banksticks, 2 nash and 4 Fox ones
In the early 90s some were still manufacturing consumer goods to last a lifetime. Over the past five years I've gone through 4 'high strength, rock solid' Avid banksticks, 2 nash and 4 Fox ones
In reply to Post #13
Ive just bought 4 jag 316 excavators and two staberlisers and i dont think i was ripped off even at £250. There a bit different to your banksticks from the 90's and a jag excavator 😀
I would imagine there electricity bill to run all those cnc machines has ran through the roof, mine has double and thats just for a house not a big engineering company with loads of industrial machines to run every day. If you think there two expensive then dont buy them.
Ive just bought 4 jag 316 excavators and two staberlisers and i dont think i was ripped off even at £250. There a bit different to your banksticks from the 90's and a jag excavator 😀
I would imagine there electricity bill to run all those cnc machines has ran through the roof, mine has double and thats just for a house not a big engineering company with loads of industrial machines to run every day. If you think there two expensive then dont buy them.
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I know it's not the same in terms of quality but a mate of mine at last weekends Carp show bought 8 x NGT Stainless Banksticks, 2 x 3 Rod Snag Bars, 4 x Stage Stands and 3 x Back Rests for £40.
I really like JAG Stuff, it's really well made with some nice design touches but I feel they're pushing the pricing too far now, the 2+1 Buzz Bars are £160 a pair... Custom Angling Solutions for a similar set (arguably better design) are £85
There's been a lot of chat on this forum of late about the price of other tackle items most of which I've thought the price is what it is you don't have to buy expensive rods or reels for instance, however a Free Spirit Distance Rod will give you more capability than a budget alternative, I'd imagine the development and gear used to produce it is expensive, I really do like a nice bit of fishing kit and have loads of it but a Bankstick is a Bankstick no?
I know it's not the same in terms of quality but a mate of mine at last weekends Carp show bought 8 x NGT Stainless Banksticks, 2 x 3 Rod Snag Bars, 4 x Stage Stands and 3 x Back Rests for £40.
I really like JAG Stuff, it's really well made with some nice design touches but I feel they're pushing the pricing too far now, the 2+1 Buzz Bars are £160 a pair... Custom Angling Solutions for a similar set (arguably better design) are £85
There's been a lot of chat on this forum of late about the price of other tackle items most of which I've thought the price is what it is you don't have to buy expensive rods or reels for instance, however a Free Spirit Distance Rod will give you more capability than a budget alternative, I'd imagine the development and gear used to produce it is expensive, I really do like a nice bit of fishing kit and have loads of it but a Bankstick is a Bankstick no?
I also see that jag are now selling direct from their own page at the same price it is in the shops, cutting out the tackle shop sees their profit margin increase significantly.
In reply to Post #15
I would say it's a rip off that's the problem people saying it's not so all that will happen is prices will keep going up
While on subject there lockdown's are not that good all this faffing around with these inserts over engineered having to buy a whole pk per rest so the rest of pk unused
It's like ca carryalls you have to pay extra to have stiff sides but you can buy a cheap carryall off eBay with sides stiffened it's all a rip off open your eyes there taking the pee
I would say it's a rip off that's the problem people saying it's not so all that will happen is prices will keep going up
While on subject there lockdown's are not that good all this faffing around with these inserts over engineered having to buy a whole pk per rest so the rest of pk unused
It's like ca carryalls you have to pay extra to have stiff sides but you can buy a cheap carryall off eBay with sides stiffened it's all a rip off open your eyes there taking the pee
In reply to Post #10
I am not defending them
I work for a British manufacturer and Metal is hard to get atm and are limited to how much you can buy as the stockholders share it around.
No different to say...Eggs, have you tried getting eggs lately ?
However,
They are a small part of a bigger business and not a cottage industry and have wages,tax,vat,pensions,holidays,sick,etc
No different to many other companies who have put their prices up for seemingly no reason.
You can buy a bank stick from about £5 all the way up to £60
You can buy a car for £10000 or buy one for 250k what's the difference ?
Your money your choice.
I am not defending them
I work for a British manufacturer and Metal is hard to get atm and are limited to how much you can buy as the stockholders share it around.
No different to say...Eggs, have you tried getting eggs lately ?
However,
They are a small part of a bigger business and not a cottage industry and have wages,tax,vat,pensions,holidays,sick,etc
No different to many other companies who have put their prices up for seemingly no reason.
You can buy a bank stick from about £5 all the way up to £60
You can buy a car for £10000 or buy one for 250k what's the difference ?
Your money your choice.
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Had no problem getting eggs loads about I say again £55 for a bank stick is absolutely ridiculous same as £100 for a hoodie
I've seen carp fishing go to the dogs over the last 40 years so much so I started fishing the rivers 5 years ago to get away from this madness
Had no problem getting eggs loads about I say again £55 for a bank stick is absolutely ridiculous same as £100 for a hoodie
I've seen carp fishing go to the dogs over the last 40 years so much so I started fishing the rivers 5 years ago to get away from this madness
In reply to Post #15
Are you the person who posted that they don't go carp fishing, they just buy the gear and put it in a cupboard?
I suppose if you are buying just to look at and admire engineering then £250 for some stainless metalware could make sense.
If you're going to use it and put it in the ground then it's a bit silly.
Are you the person who posted that they don't go carp fishing, they just buy the gear and put it in a cupboard?
I suppose if you are buying just to look at and admire engineering then £250 for some stainless metalware could make sense.
If you're going to use it and put it in the ground then it's a bit silly.
In reply to Post #20
I suppose when people say you don't have to buy it what it comes down to carp fisherman we are all in the same boat not just on here we are a carp fishing community and complaining about these prices is like telling a friend that his flies are undone
In this case mate your being ripped off don't buy it
I suppose when people say you don't have to buy it what it comes down to carp fisherman we are all in the same boat not just on here we are a carp fishing community and complaining about these prices is like telling a friend that his flies are undone
In this case mate your being ripped off don't buy it
In reply to Post #21
I was but just started back up again as joined a new water and enjoying it again. I worked in engineering so appreciate the work and machines that are used to make them.
I was but just started back up again as joined a new water and enjoying it again. I worked in engineering so appreciate the work and machines that are used to make them.
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If you think £100 for a hoody is dear, my mate i work with has just paid £800 for a hoody that looks like someone has just flicked there paintbrush on. It just looks like any other black hoody but has white dots all over, but its his money so he can do what he likes with it, it dosent affect me.
If you think £100 for a hoody is dear, my mate i work with has just paid £800 for a hoody that looks like someone has just flicked there paintbrush on. It just looks like any other black hoody but has white dots all over, but its his money so he can do what he likes with it, it dosent affect me.
I don't think prices are too bad when you factor in everything else these days.
Labour costs, energy costs, materials, import costs etc etc
It's still a relatively cheap hobby compared to others.
Their is tackle from many different manufacturers to suit all budgets.
Labour costs, energy costs, materials, import costs etc etc
It's still a relatively cheap hobby compared to others.
Their is tackle from many different manufacturers to suit all budgets.
In reply to Post #25
You've hit the nail on the head there. There are plenty of different brands with varying prices, look at the equipment within your bracket and stick with it. Certain brands will up their prices as they don't want to lose profit with increased prices (entirely reasonable). I'd love to spend £55 on a bankstick, sadly my bank balance, and probably my wife would laugh at me 😂😂😂
You've hit the nail on the head there. There are plenty of different brands with varying prices, look at the equipment within your bracket and stick with it. Certain brands will up their prices as they don't want to lose profit with increased prices (entirely reasonable). I'd love to spend £55 on a bankstick, sadly my bank balance, and probably my wife would laugh at me 😂😂😂
In reply to Post #23
Fair enough and well done for getting back into it, you'll have some nice gear to use.
Fair enough and well done for getting back into it, you'll have some nice gear to use.
In reply to Post #20
Not only carp fishing
Everything gone to the dogs lol
Who says progress is good ..
Not only carp fishing
Everything gone to the dogs lol
Who says progress is good ..
How many shops, especially the big chains, have stock bought at the old price and charge at the new one. I've been looking at goretex chest waders and they have gone up a hundred quid in one go.
Buying in bulk 3mtr lengths of stainless tube or for solid sticks buzz bars etc...depending on grade 304, 430, 316 but probably 304 for the most part or even Ali tube, material alone for an extendable 12" stick will be expensive atm, I've seen a peak of 65% increase in stainless costs over the last 12 months it's settled down a little bit in the last few months but nowhere near what it was 12 months ago, a little less than that in other metals/alloys.
An inner and outer part with threaded insert and ground spikes, braised, machined turned down, tapped etc... energy costs, running costs, machinery costs, labour and consumables I'd say a UK company charging around £50.00 a stick for something unless lost should last a lifetime is slightly elevated but pretty reasonable.
An inner and outer part with threaded insert and ground spikes, braised, machined turned down, tapped etc... energy costs, running costs, machinery costs, labour and consumables I'd say a UK company charging around £50.00 a stick for something unless lost should last a lifetime is slightly elevated but pretty reasonable.
I do some research before I buy anything..
But,sometimes you are going to have to pay more especially if its just right or hard to find ..
Example is,for me a whychwood compact brolly ..bought brand new 99quid maybe 6 yrs ago ,brilliant brolly ... then whychwood, stopped making em,bit of a shame and mistake from whychwood in my humble..
Anyway ,I look and look,nothing came up ,two yrs gone,and my original is getting worse for wear, amazingly, a local shop,had one in the depths of a warehouse..I bought it,paid over the odds for it....in this case I felt it worth it ,got a new wrap as well..
Well,yeah it's what someone is prepared to pay
But,sometimes you are going to have to pay more especially if its just right or hard to find ..
Example is,for me a whychwood compact brolly ..bought brand new 99quid maybe 6 yrs ago ,brilliant brolly ... then whychwood, stopped making em,bit of a shame and mistake from whychwood in my humble..
Anyway ,I look and look,nothing came up ,two yrs gone,and my original is getting worse for wear, amazingly, a local shop,had one in the depths of a warehouse..I bought it,paid over the odds for it....in this case I felt it worth it ,got a new wrap as well..
Well,yeah it's what someone is prepared to pay
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It does affect you he is feeding this company paying this obscene amount because if you or anybody ever wanted one it's £800
If no one bought them they would have a warehouse full and have no choice but to drop the price
The customer is pushing the price up
It does affect you he is feeding this company paying this obscene amount because if you or anybody ever wanted one it's £800
If no one bought them they would have a warehouse full and have no choice but to drop the price
The customer is pushing the price up
I would guess you can still get a better quality entry level set up today for less than you could (inflation adjusted) 30 years ago.
If people distinguish between what they need and what they want to have or want to be seen with then it's a slightly different story.
You need to keep the rain off at night? Decent shelter can be had for £130. Much the same as 20 years ago.
Then people want to add a groundsheet, a zip in front, a capsule, a wrap, a little hat for it, some nice sticks to stop the front flapping about.
Want to hold your rods off the floor and know if you have a bite? Decent bank sticks, bars, alarms and indicators for 3 rods can be had for about £200.
Then people want bits that glow in the dark, blingy shiney bits the colour of your favourite football team, bits to clamp a rod to stop a train even though they fish loose clutches.
Then because you have all this lovely stuff you needed to put 3 baits in a pond you need a powered barrow to get it to said pond. Then you need a big vehicle so that you can zoom your powered barrow up a ramp straight in the back.
I could go on..
If people distinguish between what they need and what they want to have or want to be seen with then it's a slightly different story.
You need to keep the rain off at night? Decent shelter can be had for £130. Much the same as 20 years ago.
Then people want to add a groundsheet, a zip in front, a capsule, a wrap, a little hat for it, some nice sticks to stop the front flapping about.
Want to hold your rods off the floor and know if you have a bite? Decent bank sticks, bars, alarms and indicators for 3 rods can be had for about £200.
Then people want bits that glow in the dark, blingy shiney bits the colour of your favourite football team, bits to clamp a rod to stop a train even though they fish loose clutches.
Then because you have all this lovely stuff you needed to put 3 baits in a pond you need a powered barrow to get it to said pond. Then you need a big vehicle so that you can zoom your powered barrow up a ramp straight in the back.
I could go on..
In reply to Post #33
Good point been seen with that's one of the most important things got to show others look at me my set ups better than yours
As they say a fool and there. Money are soon parted
Good point been seen with that's one of the most important things got to show others look at me my set ups better than yours
As they say a fool and there. Money are soon parted
In reply to Post #33
Yes, you can get perfectly Good kit that will stand up well
For reasonable money. I still do it when it suits me.
Yes, you can get perfectly Good kit that will stand up well
For reasonable money. I still do it when it suits me.
In reply to Post #32
I would never pay £800 for hoody so how does it affect me? There is always someone out there to buy it. If i think something is to expensive then i wont buy it.
I would never pay £800 for hoody so how does it affect me? There is always someone out there to buy it. If i think something is to expensive then i wont buy it.
In reply to Post #32
Good point
In reply to Post #36
But if people buy a £800 hoody it will encourage less expensive makes to think about raising their prices. They'll sell less of them but the mark up will be greater. More profit from less merchandise. Makes good business sense to me.
Good point
In reply to Post #36
But if people buy a £800 hoody it will encourage less expensive makes to think about raising their prices. They'll sell less of them but the mark up will be greater. More profit from less merchandise. Makes good business sense to me.
In reply to Post #36
I am giving an example about everything if people pay these ridiculous prices for anything it affects us all the trouble with me is I grew up in a time where you got your moneys worth I can't be doing paying stupid money for anything I won't do it didn't you say you paid £250 for a few bits you don't think that's not expensive
I am giving an example about everything if people pay these ridiculous prices for anything it affects us all the trouble with me is I grew up in a time where you got your moneys worth I can't be doing paying stupid money for anything I won't do it didn't you say you paid £250 for a few bits you don't think that's not expensive
In reply to Post #38
Anyone paying more than a tenner on a watch is a fool. I don't even own one, i just look at my phone
Anyone paying more than a tenner on a watch is a fool. I don't even own one, i just look at my phone
In reply to Post #39
If you want a watch that get's you noticed then mine is a £7.99 Casio from Argos. I hardly use it as like you I look at my phone but when I do I get lots of people comment about it, mostly saying I'm a cheapskate
If you want a watch that get's you noticed then mine is a £7.99 Casio from Argos. I hardly use it as like you I look at my phone but when I do I get lots of people comment about it, mostly saying I'm a cheapskate
In reply to Post #40
I got a Casio F-91w...cheapest they do £4.99 on ebay..I'm on my third ,they last for ages..
I got a Casio F-91w...cheapest they do £4.99 on ebay..I'm on my third ,they last for ages..
In reply to Post #39
Anyone buying a Rolex Gmt master 2 Batman watch 5 years ago would have paid R.R.P of £7500 for it...today it'll be worth around £13k.
Your £1200 phone will be more than likely in the bin in 5 years time.
Buy whatever tackle lights your fire guys and enjoy it while you can
Anyone buying a Rolex Gmt master 2 Batman watch 5 years ago would have paid R.R.P of £7500 for it...today it'll be worth around £13k.
Your £1200 phone will be more than likely in the bin in 5 years time.
Buy whatever tackle lights your fire guys and enjoy it while you can
In reply to Post #30
The bank stick is manufactured mostly with auto cnc machines turning out large quantities of the same item.
We are currently being charged £80 per hour for cnc work
If you then include assembly, material costs and packaging £55 is very realistic
I showed them a bank stick and asked for a price - would be over £300 to produce a one off
The bank stick is manufactured mostly with auto cnc machines turning out large quantities of the same item.
We are currently being charged £80 per hour for cnc work
If you then include assembly, material costs and packaging £55 is very realistic
I showed them a bank stick and asked for a price - would be over £300 to produce a one off
In reply to Post #43
Gotta love set up costs lol
I asked interlok angling (owned by Kalstan engineering)for a one of item when I worked up the road from them and they said a similar kind of price and then he proceeded to explain the costs
Gotta love set up costs lol
I asked interlok angling (owned by Kalstan engineering)for a one of item when I worked up the road from them and they said a similar kind of price and then he proceeded to explain the costs
In reply to Post #38
No not really, if i thought it was i wouldnt of bought them.
No not really, if i thought it was i wouldnt of bought them.
In reply to Post #39
You will think im mad then as ive just paid £700 just to have a watch serviced. If i had a big win on the lottery i could easily spend well over 250k on watches.
You will think im mad then as ive just paid £700 just to have a watch serviced. If i had a big win on the lottery i could easily spend well over 250k on watches.
In reply to Post #46
Years ago I took a 10 year old Heuer into a jewellers for a service, they wanted more than I'd paid for the watch (I bought it new from the same jeweller)
Years ago I took a 10 year old Heuer into a jewellers for a service, they wanted more than I'd paid for the watch (I bought it new from the same jeweller)
In reply to Post #47
Yes its not cheap.
Yes its not cheap.
In reply to Post #43
In reality its nothing that a DIY'er couldn't do at home on a lathe.
In reality its nothing that a DIY'er couldn't do at home on a lathe.
In reply to Post #49
Yes but add in the cost of buying the lathe and running it and the cost of learning how to use it you may end up with a different cost. How many people know how to sharpen a lathe cutting tool. Or how much coolant is needed when cutting?
Yes but add in the cost of buying the lathe and running it and the cost of learning how to use it you may end up with a different cost. How many people know how to sharpen a lathe cutting tool. Or how much coolant is needed when cutting?
In reply to Post #49
Thats probably the silliest reply ive heard on here in all the years ive been on the forum. I spent a lot of time on a lathe during my engineering apprenticeship with rolls royce when I left school and i wouldnt want to attempt to turn a bankstick on a lathe.
Thats probably the silliest reply ive heard on here in all the years ive been on the forum. I spent a lot of time on a lathe during my engineering apprenticeship with rolls royce when I left school and i wouldnt want to attempt to turn a bankstick on a lathe.
In reply to Post #49
I know nothing about tackle manufacturing but I'd very much doubt any of the commercially available Bankware is produced in a Lathe.
I'd guess it's all just Tubing bought in tube and “some” of the fittings produced on site and assembled.
In particular JAG Excavators I'd guess the Buzzer Attachment, Point and the locking Lever are produced on site, the Aluminium Tube and Carbon Insert bought in.
I know nothing about tackle manufacturing but I'd very much doubt any of the commercially available Bankware is produced in a Lathe.
I'd guess it's all just Tubing bought in tube and “some” of the fittings produced on site and assembled.
In particular JAG Excavators I'd guess the Buzzer Attachment, Point and the locking Lever are produced on site, the Aluminium Tube and Carbon Insert bought in.
In reply to Post #52
My 10” excavator are made from solid 316 bar as the point is part of the main shaft and not pinned into place like my 15 inch ones.
My 10” excavator are made from solid 316 bar as the point is part of the main shaft and not pinned into place like my 15 inch ones.
In reply to Post #42
Got one in 2005 for £2800, not a bad return on investment if I sold it now :-)
Got one in 2005 for £2800, not a bad return on investment if I sold it now :-)
In reply to Post #54
👍🏻 nice little profit sitting there.
👍🏻 nice little profit sitting there.
In reply to Post #55
Yep, amazing really. Wouldbe nowhere near that if the money had sat in the bank!
Even the waiting list for a new one is closed now, crazy!
Yep, amazing really. Wouldbe nowhere near that if the money had sat in the bank!
Even the waiting list for a new one is closed now, crazy!
In reply to Post #56
Yes been on the waiting list for a deep sea for over two years and still waiting. More chance of finding a pot of gold and a leprechaun at the end of a rainbow.
Yes been on the waiting list for a deep sea for over two years and still waiting. More chance of finding a pot of gold and a leprechaun at the end of a rainbow.
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In reply to Post #53
That's weird, I have a pair of 10” Excavators and they're Aluminium Tube, the extending part are Carbon with an Aluminium Machined top.
That's weird, I have a pair of 10” Excavators and they're Aluminium Tube, the extending part are Carbon with an Aluminium Machined top.
In reply to Post #51
The silliest reply?
You'd buy solid bar as it is, you really think it's that hard to turn something out on a lathe I suggest you carry out a little more training as it's basics within an engineering apprenticeship.
The silliest reply?
You'd buy solid bar as it is, you really think it's that hard to turn something out on a lathe I suggest you carry out a little more training as it's basics within an engineering apprenticeship.
I cannot wait until the carp fishing manufacturers catch onto the ultralight materials and they start making cuben fiber bivvys for £1000+.
In reply to Post #61
What's cuben fiber?it sounds expensive
What's cuben fiber?it sounds expensive
In reply to Post #62
I think it's called Dyneema now. It's an ultra light weight fabric material that they use for making tents and gear for the hiking community. It's incredibly strong for its weight and is very waterproof. It also absorbs very little water so it does not become heavy when wet - you can simply shake off surface water. I don't know what material bivvys are made of (Nylon?) but using cuben fiber would probably half the weight of a bivvy. However, it would also probably double the price tag.
To put it into perspective, a 2.5m by 1.5m cuben fibre tarp currently sells for about £200 - 250. They weight around 125 grams only. In contrast, an equivalent lightweight silnylon tarp of roughly the same size costs £55 and weighs 290 grams.
I think it's called Dyneema now. It's an ultra light weight fabric material that they use for making tents and gear for the hiking community. It's incredibly strong for its weight and is very waterproof. It also absorbs very little water so it does not become heavy when wet - you can simply shake off surface water. I don't know what material bivvys are made of (Nylon?) but using cuben fiber would probably half the weight of a bivvy. However, it would also probably double the price tag.
To put it into perspective, a 2.5m by 1.5m cuben fibre tarp currently sells for about £200 - 250. They weight around 125 grams only. In contrast, an equivalent lightweight silnylon tarp of roughly the same size costs £55 and weighs 290 grams.
In reply to Post #63
The drawback with it is its not very wear resistant, compared to more generally used materials.
The drawback with it is its not very wear resistant, compared to more generally used materials.
Ah, watch enthusiasts are easiest nibbles ever
Each to their own. The money I've spent on cricket bats and guitars is mental. Look at the money people spend on golf sticks, If you'd spent the money on watches all those years ago on Apple/Tesla/Amazon shares/bitcoin you'd be better off if you're looking at it as an investment.
Each to their own. The money I've spent on cricket bats and guitars is mental. Look at the money people spend on golf sticks, If you'd spent the money on watches all those years ago on Apple/Tesla/Amazon shares/bitcoin you'd be better off if you're looking at it as an investment.
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In reply to Post #60
So buying a lathe finding somewhere to put it without the wife moaning, buying the stainless then running the lathe off the electric is easier and cheaper than buying 4 stainless ready made banksticks?! 🤷♂️ its was 30 years since i completed my apprenticeship and ive never touched a lathe since.
So buying a lathe finding somewhere to put it without the wife moaning, buying the stainless then running the lathe off the electric is easier and cheaper than buying 4 stainless ready made banksticks?! 🤷♂️ its was 30 years since i completed my apprenticeship and ive never touched a lathe since.
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I said a DIY'er, someone who already had a lathe.
The point i was getting at is if you were into metalwork and had the materials already its really not a massive task.
Look at the cracking stuff Keith at Defiant MPS turns out as a one man band in a small workshop.
I said a DIY'er, someone who already had a lathe.
The point i was getting at is if you were into metalwork and had the materials already its really not a massive task.
Look at the cracking stuff Keith at Defiant MPS turns out as a one man band in a small workshop.
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