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Stabalised bait. (55 posts / 5,895 views)
Goose Goose
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Post #1 21 Aug 2022 09:32
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What's the opinion, as good as frozen? See trent do the shrimp stabalised so especially interested in veiws of this one.
yonny yonny
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Post #2 21 Aug 2022 09:54
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I didn't think the shrimp selfies were available yet?
Elltell85 Elltell85
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Post #3 21 Aug 2022 10:26
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is stabilised not just another word for shelf life.. or is there more to it.
Goose Goose
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Post #4 21 Aug 2022 10:45
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On thier Web site but tried ordering and it says not available currently.
yonny yonny
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Post #5 21 Aug 2022 11:13
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It's a short-mid term shelfie mate.
NOJOAKES NOJOAKES
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Post #6 21 Aug 2022 12:10
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Pretty much all the same. They like to draw your mind away from the word shelf life hence calling it stabilised
snapper1 snapper1
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Post #7 21 Aug 2022 13:00
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Yes just done a nash
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #8 21 Aug 2022 14:27
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Exactly the same.

The term shelf life in food refers to the length of time something can be stored, where as shelf stable / ambient is the term for its catagory. so stabilised is the exact same as shelf life.

Shelf life baits are stabilised

stabilised baits have a shelf life.

if that makes sense.


The degree of preservation depends on many many factors. not as simple as a pinch of pot sorb anymore for true 12m + shelf bait. you also use things such as MPG, egg powder ( pasteurised ) etc, all to lmit any microbial growth and usually dried for longer.

I remember several people saying their shelf lifes were just dried an extra day, that wasnt true.
Goose Goose
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Post #9 21 Aug 2022 16:51
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Just watched a video and read a bit, all looks like smoke and mirrors. They talk or write about the stabalising process but never say what the process is and no mention of preservatives so I've got a bag of nash scope squid stabalised no use by or best before dates on the bag, does this mean it will contain a high level of preservative?
snapper1 snapper1
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Post #10 21 Aug 2022 18:28
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Had some of the 5k bags thay always have a date stamp, is it a 1k bag, but still should have date stamp on, when I have got the 5 k bags the stamp is for over a year later
Goose Goose
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Post #11 21 Aug 2022 19:04
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Yes only a kg bag as I won't use it just wanted a look to see what it's like.
mark1009
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Post #12 21 Aug 2022 19:28
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Is it like the original. Smells like old Sweaty socks. That was a great bait.
Goose Goose
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Post #13 21 Aug 2022 19:35
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From memory very similar to the original but in my mind the original had a slightly sweeter background smell. Maybe I should have bought more and tried it but as it believe it is also available in frozen that would be my preferred option.
snapper1 snapper1
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Post #14 21 Aug 2022 19:37
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Thay probably think the 1k bags will be used quick
snapper1 snapper1
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Post #15 21 Aug 2022 19:37
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Call me nieve but thay say its the same
But I suppose thay would, well apart from the shelfi stuff
Jamesvg Jamesvg
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Post #16 21 Aug 2022 21:17
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I can't see them on the website and was under the impression they are still awaiting the availability of a key ingredient to make them - where did you find them listed?
Goose Goose
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Post #17 21 Aug 2022 21:27
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How did you get on with the stabalised stuff are you still using it.
snapper1 snapper1
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Post #18 21 Aug 2022 21:33
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To be honest I can't fault it , where ever I've used it
A good proportion of my fishing is baiting and I think most good baits applied well would have given me great results but I can't fault it,
Goose Goose
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Post #19 21 Aug 2022 22:12
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Have just used the stabalised or frozen as well.
snapper1 snapper1
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Post #20 22 Aug 2022 06:23
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Used both , now just stabilised and a few tigers
Mainly, but sometimes fish other methods
To be honest I would be using the bait I was on yonks ago but had trouble getting it, hope that helps
Goose Goose
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Post #21 22 Aug 2022 11:49
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Well I've now had a few in the water tank for 24 hours plus and they are still very firm to touch with no sign of breaking down yet. This to me means it is not as soluble as fresh frozen stuff and won't be as attractive initially?
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #22 22 Aug 2022 12:01
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In reply to Post #20
Well I've now had a few in the water tank for 24 hours plus and they are still very firm to touch with no sign of breaking down yet. This to me means it is not as soluble as fresh frozen stuff and won't be as attractive initially?


I think in the lake they are more attractive initially than frozen due to the 'stabilisation'. I think many stabilised or shelf lifes are dipped in a glycerine sugar dip. I have a feeling that glycerine is an attractor in its own right
snapper1 snapper1
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Post #23 22 Aug 2022 12:27
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Your probably right, that makes scence,
A firmer bait has its uses, it keeps fishing for you while your not there longer
Vanhorne
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Post #24 22 Aug 2022 12:47
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My shelf life,sorry, 'stabilised' baits break down ok,I've often reeled in a formerly double bait to find only the hooker attached or the other bait whittled down.
essesxandy essesxandy
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Post #25 22 Aug 2022 20:53
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The Nash stabilised baits are definitely preserved in a different way from the old shelflifes. If they weren't Gary wouldn't have asked me to have half my bait in shelflife and half stabilised a few years ago (4G Squid). The stabilised baits were actually softer out of the bag than the frozen version.
Goose Goose
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Post #26 22 Aug 2022 21:11
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Mentioned to the shop the bag had no use by date and they said bring it in, my mistake but its very faded and its a best before which was end of July 22 so two weeks past that when I bought it. Got two more bags with best before 11.4.24, opened one and it looks and smell same as the first bag possibly slightly softer but still very firm, not bothered to tank it but will be using it all soon.
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #27 22 Aug 2022 23:06
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The nash shelf ones of old were completely different base mixes. Scopex squid looked like it does now ( freezer form ) but the shelf life looked like nutrabaits techni spice.

Nash were quite late on to change to the modern preservatives but in terms of what is considered shelf life nowadays it's all done in a similar vain.
MARKerz
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Post #28 24 Aug 2022 07:51
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I use shelf-life baits exclusively these days, they are different to the old preserved baits in texture & taste which is a good thing. The companies it seems have a better understanding on the processes and amounts needed.

I don't use much boilie and vary rarely use them whole so am happy with their use, it's strictly convenience for me, if I was to use loads I would probably go with fresh bait.

Maybe better to get a bottle of lake water to test the baits in as so much more is going.
Jimmers532
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Post #29 24 Aug 2022 08:04
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I've always used freezer bait, prefer the texture and just what I'm confident in, but the last year I've been using sticky krill in shelflife because I can get it really cheap and didn't have much freezer room, after I've used this last lot I won't be buying it again, it's hard and has a biscuity texture to it, plus my results haven't been too great on it either, I may try the freezer version to compare but I think il go back to using my mates bait that I've done really well on over the years.
Perry_J
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Post #30 26 Aug 2022 21:39
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Just for the record and from someone who actually worked there for a decade, your Nashbait info is not what I'd describe as entirely accurate.
scozza
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Post #31 27 Aug 2022 09:32
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That's interesting, care to spill the beans

I thought the shelf life baits used to be on the S mix and the freezer the all season S mix?
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #32 27 Aug 2022 09:58
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One seems surprised

snapper1 snapper1
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Post #33 27 Aug 2022 10:15
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We're you Darenth Valley baits, with shaggy
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #34 27 Aug 2022 11:34
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If you're gonna try and sell it they were the same basemix then you need sectioning lol
KenTownley KenTownley
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Post #35 27 Aug 2022 14:29
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Simply add 20ml of glycerin to the eggs prior to processing the paste, and an additional glug of the stuff over the baits after they have finished drying. This will add at least a month or two shelf life to your bait. No need to freeze or air dry; simply add enough glycerin to ensure that each bait receives an even coating. I put the baits in a bowl, add the glycerin and then give the bowl a good toss (imagine you are tossing a salad) to ensure each bait receives a coating of glycerin.

After a few days, the bait will absorb all the glycerin, and they will be dry to the touch. If you want to extend the shelf life even further, simply give the baits another light wash over, allow them to dry once more.

I have actually made boiled baits with a shelf life of a year or more using this method. Whether these would be considered to be stabilized, I have no idea!
snapper1 snapper1
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Post #36 27 Aug 2022 17:15
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Thanks I'm always learning
Would I be right in saying glycerin is also used as a bait hardner
essesxandy essesxandy
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Post #37 28 Aug 2022 11:13
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I was told, by those that actually know, that the shelflife/stabilised 4G Squid and the freezer version were 97% the same.
snapper1 snapper1
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Post #38 28 Aug 2022 11:55
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Bottom line get out there and fish with stuff and see
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #39 28 Aug 2022 15:09
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That doesn't surprise me as it's the modern stuff.

I'm referring to scopex squid from about 15/18 years ago. The shelfies weren't the same
JBA JBA
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Post #40 28 Aug 2022 15:55
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So you're talking about something from 15/18 years ago? When you were about 6?

You do come out with some rubbish.
capt_swearword
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Post #41 28 Aug 2022 16:16
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That's because his mate told him when he saw them in a bucket from the other side of the lake.
christian
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Post #42 28 Aug 2022 16:30
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Having seen both shelf life and freezer bait back in the day I can confirm that they were definitely a different base mix, nowadays from a visual point of view only they look identical to me, but different from either of the old baits.
Goose Goose
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Post #43 28 Aug 2022 16:41
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And you troll him under different profiles.
scozza
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Post #44 28 Aug 2022 16:53
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They were the ones in the blue bags on the S mix, orange baits
JBA JBA
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Post #45 28 Aug 2022 16:56
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First of all you're wrong, secondly pointing out facts isn't Trolling.
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #46 28 Aug 2022 22:30
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Actually you're IP matches exactly the same one used by a profile called Alby.

Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #47 28 Aug 2022 22:31
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YES! Thank you! And the freezer baits were brown lol.

Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #48 28 Aug 2022 22:32
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Funny how when I say it I get abuse lol. Cheers for verifying
CV-Deano
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Post #49 28 Aug 2022 22:55
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Back in the day Nash S Mix Squid Freezer baits were made with the Squid All season base mix and the Shelfies were made with the traditional s mix squid. That's verified by Gary Bayes himself. Incidentally he always recommended using as mixture of both for varied breakdown times.I used the bait for donkeys years and had countless conversations with Gary at shows about this.
CV-Deano
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Post #50 28 Aug 2022 23:00
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BTW i always found the freezer baits far more effective (even though the later plus version with the tiger nut flour never seemed to go off anyway) whether that was down to the fact it was the all season base mix or the fact it was supposed to be a freezer bait who knows.
midlandman midlandman
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Post #51 29 Aug 2022 09:44
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Seen it myself. Former Nash field tester friend of mine, his freezer bait just didn't go off!!
scozza
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Post #52 29 Aug 2022 10:05
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Agree
Goose Goose
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Post #53 29 Aug 2022 10:49
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And Alby had an identical ip address as another banned member, he needs to go back to school if his maths makes you 6 years old 15 years ago.
Back on thread looks like several more knowledgeable members agree.
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #54 29 Aug 2022 16:20
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I'll take it though as that means I'm 21 again

snapper1 snapper1
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Post #55 29 Aug 2022 17:44
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Lucky sod
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