Something happened to me the past few days that has nver happend before.
I was fishing at 70yds in 14ft of water, tips pointing at the spot, semi tight, if pull up to the lead (4oz) then pay off about 2 ft so had a small drop in the line. Clip up Stow indicators with the added weight.
Fishing a leadclip system. I had 2 massive drop backs, i hit them but the fish was 50yds to the right or left!
I was on maximum sensitivity aswell.
My head is battered with it.
Im back at the same pake soon and do not want to be in this position again. Each time the leadxwas dropped, i was thinking of just fishing a shock running lead but it shouldnt of been happening anyway
I was fishing at 70yds in 14ft of water, tips pointing at the spot, semi tight, if pull up to the lead (4oz) then pay off about 2 ft so had a small drop in the line. Clip up Stow indicators with the added weight.
Fishing a leadclip system. I had 2 massive drop backs, i hit them but the fish was 50yds to the right or left!
I was on maximum sensitivity aswell.
My head is battered with it.
Im back at the same pake soon and do not want to be in this position again. Each time the leadxwas dropped, i was thinking of just fishing a shock running lead but it shouldnt of been happening anyway
In reply to Post #1
With lead clips the fish can kite large distances without indication. Korda underwater pt 2 showed this. Same as in-line leads. After watching that video I have used running rigs for the superior bite indication.
You may want to increase the sensitivity on your alarms if you can, obviously weather condition dependent, to help bite indication.
With lead clips the fish can kite large distances without indication. Korda underwater pt 2 showed this. Same as in-line leads. After watching that video I have used running rigs for the superior bite indication.
You may want to increase the sensitivity on your alarms if you can, obviously weather condition dependent, to help bite indication.
In reply to Post #2
Agree with below re running rig great indication provided the fish moves however poor hooking compared to inline with its direct contact with the lead. Guess a lot will depend on the feeding/baiting scenario, ie fishing over a pile of bait the fish may not move much compared to spread baiting whare the next bait may be several feet away.
Agree with below re running rig great indication provided the fish moves however poor hooking compared to inline with its direct contact with the lead. Guess a lot will depend on the feeding/baiting scenario, ie fishing over a pile of bait the fish may not move much compared to spread baiting whare the next bait may be several feet away.
I wanted to try and fish a Shock running lead but the lead HAS to drop so its not going to work.
In reply to Post #4
does the lead have to drop on the take or have the ability to drop if a fish becomes weeded? There are a couple of ways to drop the lead on running rigs, I use the fox drop off run rig system, but you could just as easily use a C clip and silicone bead over it.
does the lead have to drop on the take or have the ability to drop if a fish becomes weeded? There are a couple of ways to drop the lead on running rigs, I use the fox drop off run rig system, but you could just as easily use a C clip and silicone bead over it.
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In reply to Post #1
That fish has already moved at least 2ft before you'll even get a nod on the rod tips
That fish has already moved at least 2ft before you'll even get a nod on the rod tips
In reply to Post #6
Do you feel there is a maximum distance in which running leads are effective. I worry that casting any distance will see the lead travel too far up the line so tend to use them regularly for under 40 yards but revert to helis or lead clips (depending on fishing situation) for anything further out. Going to France next week and max cast is 92 yards, but owner has flagged the kiting issue as happening to a lot of anglers on the lake so trying to work out how best to overcome it (must use tubing and lead must be able to eject if needed are 2 rules of the lake)
Do you feel there is a maximum distance in which running leads are effective. I worry that casting any distance will see the lead travel too far up the line so tend to use them regularly for under 40 yards but revert to helis or lead clips (depending on fishing situation) for anything further out. Going to France next week and max cast is 92 yards, but owner has flagged the kiting issue as happening to a lot of anglers on the lake so trying to work out how best to overcome it (must use tubing and lead must be able to eject if needed are 2 rules of the lake)
In reply to Post #8
could always use PVA string/tape to keep the lead pinned, say tie the swivel of the lead to the hooklink swivel?
Saying that I have never had leads move up the line on casting.
could always use PVA string/tape to keep the lead pinned, say tie the swivel of the lead to the hooklink swivel?
Saying that I have never had leads move up the line on casting.
In reply to Post #8
If the lead were to move up the line there would need to be something heavier to cast so unless you're chucking baits or bags heavier than the lead,the lead will be first out.
If that makes sense.
If the lead were to move up the line there would need to be something heavier to cast so unless you're chucking baits or bags heavier than the lead,the lead will be first out.
If that makes sense.
In reply to Post #8
DP
DP
In reply to Post #8
3 in a row !
3 in a row !
In reply to Post #10
It does make sense. I often do cast out with mesh bags on which is why I get concerned. Never tried it to be honest but that is because of my concern
It does make sense. I often do cast out with mesh bags on which is why I get concerned. Never tried it to be honest but that is because of my concern
In reply to Post #12
U win a coconut
U win a coconut
In reply to Post #10
Yes, that makes sense, but I've had it with a marker (now binned) where the drag from the marker was pulling line through the run ring. The lead was still going out first but the marker was trailing a good few feet behind by the time the lead hit the water. I suppose similar could happen with a bag attached to the hook.
Yes, that makes sense, but I've had it with a marker (now binned) where the drag from the marker was pulling line through the run ring. The lead was still going out first but the marker was trailing a good few feet behind by the time the lead hit the water. I suppose similar could happen with a bag attached to the hook.
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I get concerned about it too. I think that if I hit the clip then the lead will continue to fly toward the hook link thereby retrieving the line dragged through by air resistance on the mesh bag. I don't know if I'm right though . If I feel the lead hitting the lake bed I assume it's ok?
I get concerned about it too. I think that if I hit the clip then the lead will continue to fly toward the hook link thereby retrieving the line dragged through by air resistance on the mesh bag. I don't know if I'm right though . If I feel the lead hitting the lake bed I assume it's ok?
In reply to Post #8
I use a lead clip with the clip cut off, a tail rubber and tubing with a run ring which nips tight enough on the tail rubber to hold on the cast but comes loose on a shake. It doesn't drop the lead though. I haven't if memory serves me right Had an issue with kiting but have had one or two drop backs which shouldn't occur if everything works correctly.
I use a lead clip with the clip cut off, a tail rubber and tubing with a run ring which nips tight enough on the tail rubber to hold on the cast but comes loose on a shake. It doesn't drop the lead though. I haven't if memory serves me right Had an issue with kiting but have had one or two drop backs which shouldn't occur if everything works correctly.
In reply to Post #1
I've been getting that too. In addition to this, the hookholds have been really poor, but I put that down to having too many boilies in too tight an area. Size 4 hooks should not just fall out.
I think kiting depends entirely on rig placement. If you're fishing parallel to an island and the fish has to kite right to gain safety of a snag 20 yards away, that's exactly what it will do. I was getting screaming takes on one rod which was further away, yet kiting takes on the rod closer to the island.
I've been getting that too. In addition to this, the hookholds have been really poor, but I put that down to having too many boilies in too tight an area. Size 4 hooks should not just fall out.
I think kiting depends entirely on rig placement. If you're fishing parallel to an island and the fish has to kite right to gain safety of a snag 20 yards away, that's exactly what it will do. I was getting screaming takes on one rod which was further away, yet kiting takes on the rod closer to the island.
In reply to Post #19
Try using size 6's rather than 4's.
Try using size 6's rather than 4's.
In reply to Post #1
Try a running rig on one rod to see how it performs.
Add more weight to your bobbins, you need indication as soon as possible.
Try a lighter semi-fixed lead.
It's just trial & error until you get the right mix.
Try a running rig on one rod to see how it performs.
Add more weight to your bobbins, you need indication as soon as possible.
Try a lighter semi-fixed lead.
It's just trial & error until you get the right mix.
In reply to Post #1
I stopped using Lead Clips the last century for exactly the same problem you have been having, it happens an awful lot – I have zero faith in them.
if you do a lot of predator fishing as well (As I always have) always using running rigs - it soon becomes apparent that your missing nothing on run rigs, with every bit of Indication a forward movement.
I use the same identical Running Rig set up for Carp, Pike, Cats, Barbel and Chub fishing, only change I make is if fishing in deep silt, over weed or over a rockery (River Bed) The Lead goes on a 6” long stiff running Boom to combat the situations.
I stopped using Lead Clips the last century for exactly the same problem you have been having, it happens an awful lot – I have zero faith in them.
if you do a lot of predator fishing as well (As I always have) always using running rigs - it soon becomes apparent that your missing nothing on run rigs, with every bit of Indication a forward movement.
I use the same identical Running Rig set up for Carp, Pike, Cats, Barbel and Chub fishing, only change I make is if fishing in deep silt, over weed or over a rockery (River Bed) The Lead goes on a 6” long stiff running Boom to combat the situations.
In reply to Post #1
I found years ago that leadclips, even semi-fixed setups can produce exactly the problem you describe. I try to stick to running leads on run rings to reduce the problem.
I found years ago that leadclips, even semi-fixed setups can produce exactly the problem you describe. I try to stick to running leads on run rings to reduce the problem.
In reply to Post #8
Have a look at Matthew Collins from Beausoliel. He has a running shock rig and I use it in all my fishing now.
If a fishery owner, in France is advocating a rig, then there should be some confidence in it.
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Have a look at Matthew Collins from Beausoliel. He has a running shock rig and I use it in all my fishing now.
If a fishery owner, in France is advocating a rig, then there should be some confidence in it.
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I used to have this happen to me. Iv found using heavy bobbins for everything but edge fishing is a huge advantage . I haven't had it happen since
In reply to Post #25
What do you suppose the heavy bobbins do to mitigate the issue?
What do you suppose the heavy bobbins do to mitigate the issue?
In reply to Post #26
Transfer of movement – less “Slack” there is in the line between your Alarm and your Lead/Rig the better, Heavy Bobbin & Gravity or Tensioned via a Tension Arm type Indicator or as I use a Heavy Bobbin that's mounted so it's also weightless to move as such.
Transfer of movement – less “Slack” there is in the line between your Alarm and your Lead/Rig the better, Heavy Bobbin & Gravity or Tensioned via a Tension Arm type Indicator or as I use a Heavy Bobbin that's mounted so it's also weightless to move as such.
In reply to Post #27
Running rigs can also cause lack of indication on smooth bottoms where the lead can slide and acts like a tensioner. This can occur if the fish is running to either side and towards you a little bit. A heavy lead negates the issue but it can and does happen.
Running rigs can also cause lack of indication on smooth bottoms where the lead can slide and acts like a tensioner. This can occur if the fish is running to either side and towards you a little bit. A heavy lead negates the issue but it can and does happen.
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