I see the big Dutch common is looking pristine and mid 60's now.
I reckon it must be the highest earning carp out there. Who said economic migrants don't pay their way
I reckon it must be the highest earning carp out there. Who said economic migrants don't pay their way
In reply to Post #1
I'd say the Bluebell Nederlanders earn far more. I dread to think what they take in a year over there.
I'd say the Bluebell Nederlanders earn far more. I dread to think what they take in a year over there.
In reply to Post #2
This one has been bought in as the main draw in a couple of very profitable commercial operations in different parts of the country for must be nearly 20 years though mate.
As it's the equivalent of Rebekah Vardy regards never missing a photo opportunity, it's earnings v transfer price must be huge.
This one has been bought in as the main draw in a couple of very profitable commercial operations in different parts of the country for must be nearly 20 years though mate.
As it's the equivalent of Rebekah Vardy regards never missing a photo opportunity, it's earnings v transfer price must be huge.
In reply to Post #1
Catch 22's mid league imports didn't do too bad either...
Catch 22's mid league imports didn't do too bad either...
Looks like it was sold from Pendle view in 2016 and it had broken the 50 barrier when it was sold on...
Be interested to know the figure it went for? Risk moving a fish that size...obviously it worked out fine
Be interested to know the figure it went for? Risk moving a fish that size...obviously it worked out fine
In reply to Post #1
Where is it now?
I fished pendle poo a fair bit back in the days. I know some stock went to hillside
Caught my pb grassie from there
Where is it now?
I fished pendle poo a fair bit back in the days. I know some stock went to hillside
Caught my pb grassie from there
In reply to Post #6
Girton down at Newark , Measles and Tutti also went down there , both 40's them 2 , I used to do the odd weekend on Pendle long time ago , I lost one of them big commons snagged me on the old trout staging , was gutted at the time as Butt head was around 40lb then
Girton down at Newark , Measles and Tutti also went down there , both 40's them 2 , I used to do the odd weekend on Pendle long time ago , I lost one of them big commons snagged me on the old trout staging , was gutted at the time as Butt head was around 40lb then
In reply to Post #6
Didn't it close down or something? I once heard through the grapevine as you do
Didn't it close down or something? I once heard through the grapevine as you do
In reply to Post #5
Think it was a scraper 20 when it made the trip across the channel iirc. Definitely used too being handled and traveling around
Think it was a scraper 20 when it made the trip across the channel iirc. Definitely used too being handled and traveling around
Simon Crow explains the history of the fish being moved from Pendle View to Girton in the first few minutes of his capture of it HERE
In reply to Post #1
OK, I'll bite.... it was brought into the country a long time ago and has grown on to be a magnificent fish. What's wrong with that?
Mary was moved to Wraysbury from her original home as a low twenty before becoming a record fish.
Does the origin of the fish make it any easier to catch?
FFS. OK, it's not for you, but the sneering attitude is unnecessary. And fair play to Simon Crow's capture. By any metric, it's still a PB English capture.
Said it before and I'll restate it again any record, personal or otherwise is a recorded event. Nothing more, nothing less.
OK, I'll bite.... it was brought into the country a long time ago and has grown on to be a magnificent fish. What's wrong with that?
Mary was moved to Wraysbury from her original home as a low twenty before becoming a record fish.
Does the origin of the fish make it any easier to catch?
FFS. OK, it's not for you, but the sneering attitude is unnecessary. And fair play to Simon Crow's capture. By any metric, it's still a PB English capture.
Said it before and I'll restate it again any record, personal or otherwise is a recorded event. Nothing more, nothing less.
In reply to Post #10
Nicely done video. The captor doesn't explain the fish was imported from Holland @20+ although he knows. It was part of an imported batch that went into a couple of NW waters that I know. Far as I'm aware all the others have long gone. Maybe one that could be still around but I'm not sure.
#11
Untwist your knickers mate. You , me, Mr Crow can set their own goals, target's and bar. Good angling from him and the others that have caught this fish. Like I said it's a tremendous money maker and stunning fish
Nicely done video. The captor doesn't explain the fish was imported from Holland @20+ although he knows. It was part of an imported batch that went into a couple of NW waters that I know. Far as I'm aware all the others have long gone. Maybe one that could be still around but I'm not sure.
#11
Untwist your knickers mate. You , me, Mr Crow can set their own goals, target's and bar. Good angling from him and the others that have caught this fish. Like I said it's a tremendous money maker and stunning fish
In reply to Post #11
Eh?
I can't see one post in this thread saying anything about the fish being easy to catch. Or about something being wrong with it being moved. Or about the merit of Simons capture.
The only attitude I see on this thread is your post?
Eh?
I can't see one post in this thread saying anything about the fish being easy to catch. Or about something being wrong with it being moved. Or about the merit of Simons capture.
The only attitude I see on this thread is your post?
In reply to Post #13
Didn't Don Leney import his fish ? just saying.
Didn't Don Leney import his fish ? just saying.
My interpretation of this thread was that it was all pretty positive? A hell of a fish whatever the history, and the back story adds to it a bit for me. Everyone loves a journeyman. Dippy anyone?!
Most know that lots of the history fish have an import in their heritage. ECHO died out for a reason.
Most know that lots of the history fish have an import in their heritage. ECHO died out for a reason.
In reply to Post #12
My knickers are fine, thanks...... it's not me making the sarcastic, slightly covert, backhanded comments. .
My knickers are fine, thanks...... it's not me making the sarcastic, slightly covert, backhanded comments. .
In reply to Post #15
Exactly mate. If people want to tell a tale of the UK's biggest common, tell the full back story. Some angler's like yourself are interested, some as proven on here already aren't.
#16
Wtf are you on about? Spit it out mate.
Exactly mate. If people want to tell a tale of the UK's biggest common, tell the full back story. Some angler's like yourself are interested, some as proven on here already aren't.
#16
Wtf are you on about? Spit it out mate.
In reply to Post #14
But long before anyone even thought about fishing for them, they was left to their own faints.
Chalk and Cheese to the modern situation: As the thread title "Butthead", it was stocked into Pendle View to generate
income, it got sold on to this other water in order to generate ££££££ for that water. That's
just another aspect of modern Carp Fishing
But long before anyone even thought about fishing for them, they was left to their own faints.
Chalk and Cheese to the modern situation: As the thread title "Butthead", it was stocked into Pendle View to generate
income, it got sold on to this other water in order to generate ££££££ for that water. That's
just another aspect of modern Carp Fishing
In reply to Post #18
Thomas Thorpe imported carp in the late eighteen hundreds for angling purposes. People ware angling for them before Leney started to import but he only imported fingerings
Thomas Thorpe imported carp in the late eighteen hundreds for angling purposes. People ware angling for them before Leney started to import but he only imported fingerings
In reply to Post #19
1902, 26th Sep - Otto Overbeck, Common 17.8lbs from Croxby pond.
1916, 6th Sept - John Andrews, Mirror 20.3lb from Cheshunt Reservoir.
1926, 14th Aug - E.Wyatt, Mirror 21lb 10oz from Warren Pond.
1930, 24th Jul - Albert Buckley, Mirror 26lb from Mapperley Reservoir.
1951, 3rd Oct - Bob Richards, Mirror 31.4lbs from Redmire Pool.
1952, 13th Sep - Richard Walker, Common 44lb from Redmire Pool.
1980, 16th Jun - Chris Yates, Mirror 51.8lb from Redmire Pool.
Here you go , if you want to split hairs
1902, 26th Sep - Otto Overbeck, Common 17.8lbs from Croxby pond.
1916, 6th Sept - John Andrews, Mirror 20.3lb from Cheshunt Reservoir.
1926, 14th Aug - E.Wyatt, Mirror 21lb 10oz from Warren Pond.
1930, 24th Jul - Albert Buckley, Mirror 26lb from Mapperley Reservoir.
1951, 3rd Oct - Bob Richards, Mirror 31.4lbs from Redmire Pool.
1952, 13th Sep - Richard Walker, Common 44lb from Redmire Pool.
1980, 16th Jun - Chris Yates, Mirror 51.8lb from Redmire Pool.
Here you go , if you want to split hairs
In reply to Post #20
Not splitting hairs at all and your record list contradicts what you posted, merely pointing out tht people were fishing for them long before Leney started importing them.
George Holden caught a carp of 23lb 1oz from Broadwater Lake in 1899 but never claimed it as a record. Anyway the but head common, different time different anglers and different morals.
Not splitting hairs at all and your record list contradicts what you posted, merely pointing out tht people were fishing for them long before Leney started importing them.
George Holden caught a carp of 23lb 1oz from Broadwater Lake in 1899 but never claimed it as a record. Anyway the but head common, different time different anglers and different morals.
In reply to Post #17
Don't be disingenous is what I'm saying. It's not me who needs to spit anything out. You're the one making thinly veiled negative comments about the fish, not me.
Last comment from me. Enjoy your fishing, wherever you do it and whatever you fish for.
Don't be disingenous is what I'm saying. It's not me who needs to spit anything out. You're the one making thinly veiled negative comments about the fish, not me.
Last comment from me. Enjoy your fishing, wherever you do it and whatever you fish for.
In reply to Post #22
Get off your high horse wrap up with the aspersions and read the words . Nothing is veiled and nothing is negative. If you don't like the facts and the assumptions of it's money making down the years, or maybe the slightly jocular reference to Vardy, that's your issue.
Get off your high horse wrap up with the aspersions and read the words . Nothing is veiled and nothing is negative. If you don't like the facts and the assumptions of it's money making down the years, or maybe the slightly jocular reference to Vardy, that's your issue.
In reply to Post #21
On the contrary, it shows practically nobody what so ever took an iota of notice of Carp until an irrigation pool called Redmire started to be fished in the 1950's. That just happened to have been stocked with Carp as an experiment by D Lenny for weed control 1934.
On the contrary, it shows practically nobody what so ever took an iota of notice of Carp until an irrigation pool called Redmire started to be fished in the 1950's. That just happened to have been stocked with Carp as an experiment by D Lenny for weed control 1934.
In reply to Post #14
As king carp are not a native species in the British Isles, they are all imported. It's only a question of when, and how big they were when put in the lake / river. Most fisheries stock c3 or c4 fish and grow them on. If you stick a 40lber there is only one reason. To make money. Also you are taking a big gamble with your considerable investment.
As king carp are not a native species in the British Isles, they are all imported. It's only a question of when, and how big they were when put in the lake / river. Most fisheries stock c3 or c4 fish and grow them on. If you stick a 40lber there is only one reason. To make money. Also you are taking a big gamble with your considerable investment.
In reply to Post #24
You do many a great disservice, there were many working class anglers all over the country angling for carp after the first World War but little was ever written about them. Even Albert Buckley was fishing for them with a small group of friends twenty years before radmire. Think we may have to agree to disagree on this one. Interesting subject though and anyone interest in Leney carp should chat to Chris Ball, think most would be shocked to see just how many places he stocked, most of which would be un heard of.
You do many a great disservice, there were many working class anglers all over the country angling for carp after the first World War but little was ever written about them. Even Albert Buckley was fishing for them with a small group of friends twenty years before radmire. Think we may have to agree to disagree on this one. Interesting subject though and anyone interest in Leney carp should chat to Chris Ball, think most would be shocked to see just how many places he stocked, most of which would be un heard of.
In reply to Post #26
There's even one close to home that's a none fishing lake. Many of my locals have been stocked from that one pool. Grown on to be stunning fish.
There's even one close to home that's a none fishing lake. Many of my locals have been stocked from that one pool. Grown on to be stunning fish.
Interesting about the origins of King carp...
There's been much speculation of where the original wildies or feral carp came from in Beechmere,from what I have learnt about Peter Mohan and Denis Watkins-Pitchford,even they didn't know how and why the carp ended up in the hallowed Wheal..one thing that's 100% is fish from another quarry which was disected by the A30,including mirrors ended up in Wheal St Anne,only a fairly short drive away ,it's worth noting that no mirrors were ever recorded by the priest or the famous postman u til.this introduction.
I have a solid piece of info that fish from both the above got moved to other lakes in the area, including other small quarries,they are still in those quarries..the offsprings..
So nothing is new about fish being moved ,even back in the mists of time..
What about the llyns in Wales,Pant y llyn ,and llyn gwyn,...?how did those feral or non notched wildies get up in the mountains,no one e seems to know..
There's been much speculation of where the original wildies or feral carp came from in Beechmere,from what I have learnt about Peter Mohan and Denis Watkins-Pitchford,even they didn't know how and why the carp ended up in the hallowed Wheal..one thing that's 100% is fish from another quarry which was disected by the A30,including mirrors ended up in Wheal St Anne,only a fairly short drive away ,it's worth noting that no mirrors were ever recorded by the priest or the famous postman u til.this introduction.
I have a solid piece of info that fish from both the above got moved to other lakes in the area, including other small quarries,they are still in those quarries..the offsprings..
So nothing is new about fish being moved ,even back in the mists of time..
What about the llyns in Wales,Pant y llyn ,and llyn gwyn,...?how did those feral or non notched wildies get up in the mountains,no one e seems to know..
In reply to Post #26
Put it this way it even in the early 1950's Richard Walker struggled to get a tackle manufacturer to make the specifically designed Carp Rod he had designed, even Allcocks refused to make it. Why – because there were so few Anglers fishing for Carp it was not deemed financially viable.
Back on thread - I hope Butthead lives a long life and makes a lot of people happy with a capture. Personally - even with Pendle View being very local to me, I still never bothered fishing it, just not my cup of tea so to speak.
Put it this way it even in the early 1950's Richard Walker struggled to get a tackle manufacturer to make the specifically designed Carp Rod he had designed, even Allcocks refused to make it. Why – because there were so few Anglers fishing for Carp it was not deemed financially viable.
Back on thread - I hope Butthead lives a long life and makes a lot of people happy with a capture. Personally - even with Pendle View being very local to me, I still never bothered fishing it, just not my cup of tea so to speak.
I don't know the history of carp fishing well, it's in my books and not in my head, but when I was at Capel Manor for arboriculture I was reliably informed by a lecturer that an expert is someone who can find the answer. So we are all experts lol.
Moving on a few months ago I was researching an area , old village , pub, cow shed , village store etc and came across reference to a carp pool at the back of a pub with fingerings being stocked in 1904, I have been looking at old post cards etc, early days, but fascinating, I'll keep you posted if I find anything more.
Moving on a few months ago I was researching an area , old village , pub, cow shed , village store etc and came across reference to a carp pool at the back of a pub with fingerings being stocked in 1904, I have been looking at old post cards etc, early days, but fascinating, I'll keep you posted if I find anything more.
In reply to Post #29
It was an 'interesting ' water to fish...
It was an 'interesting ' water to fish...
In reply to Post #30
That's cool..interesting..
That's cool..interesting..
In reply to Post #31
Fished it once and never went back. Circus!
Fished it once and never went back. Circus!
In reply to Post #32
It is thanks, trouble with this old script thay write like my doctor
Found some old bomb holes from the war and frogs in a forest
More work needed
It is thanks, trouble with this old script thay write like my doctor
Found some old bomb holes from the war and frogs in a forest
More work needed
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