This has no doubt been raised before.....
Dropping leads on the take. In 30 years time.....lake beds are going to be full of leads! I'd hate to guess how many leads are are the bottom of some of the more popular day ticket venues already!
Is anything being done about this?
Dropping leads on the take. In 30 years time.....lake beds are going to be full of leads! I'd hate to guess how many leads are are the bottom of some of the more popular day ticket venues already!
Is anything being done about this?
In reply to Post #1
I don't think it makes a difference as lakes are massive and even the small ponds hold a lot of water with depths etc so lead being dropped wont make any difference to water quality,me personally if I'm fishing some where I can catch in margins in spring/summer mostly the canals then I go for the stonez leads they are quality and something different,but if I'm fishing lakes in winter then it has to be a leads to get to the spots I want.
I don't think it makes a difference as lakes are massive and even the small ponds hold a lot of water with depths etc so lead being dropped wont make any difference to water quality,me personally if I'm fishing some where I can catch in margins in spring/summer mostly the canals then I go for the stonez leads they are quality and something different,but if I'm fishing lakes in winter then it has to be a leads to get to the spots I want.
In reply to Post #1
Matterless in my opinion.
The surfaces of the leads oxidise in a very short time forming a protective layer preventing toxic leaching.
As an example I ran a very heavily planted 80 gallon tank for decades in the Dutch aquascape style.
The plants were initially weighed down with over half a pound of lead cut into small strips before they became established and the weights never removed in over 10 years.
The tank was maintained at 5.5 Ph which is very acidic, more so than any water in Europe and the lead strips never eroded releasing toxins damaging fish health
Wild caught Amazonian Tetras and Dwarf Cichlids were quite happy to live and breed in such an environment along with nano shrimp whereas if something is wrong with water quality those fish go tits up overnight.
Matterless in my opinion.
The surfaces of the leads oxidise in a very short time forming a protective layer preventing toxic leaching.
As an example I ran a very heavily planted 80 gallon tank for decades in the Dutch aquascape style.
The plants were initially weighed down with over half a pound of lead cut into small strips before they became established and the weights never removed in over 10 years.
The tank was maintained at 5.5 Ph which is very acidic, more so than any water in Europe and the lead strips never eroded releasing toxins damaging fish health
Wild caught Amazonian Tetras and Dwarf Cichlids were quite happy to live and breed in such an environment along with nano shrimp whereas if something is wrong with water quality those fish go tits up overnight.
You cast the marker rod out and feel the telltale knocks from a bed of 3oz distance leads....
In reply to Post #4
But mostly on gravel pits
But mostly on gravel pits
In reply to Post #1
I can understand where you're coming from because I'm also concerned about the amount of Salt that gets used. It must have some sort knock on effect later
I can understand where you're coming from because I'm also concerned about the amount of Salt that gets used. It must have some sort knock on effect later
I wonder how much lead is lying at the bottom of rainbow??
In reply to Post #1
Never heard of the term until a new manufacture came on the scene, who's main business at the time was selling.......
Use a Spomb, need a float, as we don't want them sinking and causing a snag, but drop as many leads as you like folks.
I wonder if Steve Ringer drops his feeders on every fish.
Never heard of the term until a new manufacture came on the scene, who's main business at the time was selling.......
Use a Spomb, need a float, as we don't want them sinking and causing a snag, but drop as many leads as you like folks.
I wonder if Steve Ringer drops his feeders on every fish.
In reply to Post #1
Time will tell. I am certainly not comfortable polluting a lake with leads unnecessarily. Unfortunately most, including the major tackle companies and their influencers could not care less.
Time will tell. I am certainly not comfortable polluting a lake with leads unnecessarily. Unfortunately most, including the major tackle companies and their influencers could not care less.
In reply to Post #7
Or cassein
Or cassein
In reply to Post #6
Salt? You need a hell of a lot to change the salinity of a 1 acre lake. In the tonnes. Absolutely no need to worry. Even putting a 25kg sack of salt on a spot will cause a localised deadzone and do nothing to the rest of the lake.
Freshwater fish need salt to osmoregulate and most will grow better with a slightly saline water as they use less energy searching for salt and osmoregulating.
Salt? You need a hell of a lot to change the salinity of a 1 acre lake. In the tonnes. Absolutely no need to worry. Even putting a 25kg sack of salt on a spot will cause a localised deadzone and do nothing to the rest of the lake.
Freshwater fish need salt to osmoregulate and most will grow better with a slightly saline water as they use less energy searching for salt and osmoregulating.
Manipulative marketing ploy...
If you can't play a fish with a lead on then you shouldn't be casting out
IMHO of course
If you can't play a fish with a lead on then you shouldn't be casting out
IMHO of course
In reply to Post #1
People burry their heads in the sand. It's cool to drop a lead and a “must have” thing to do due to marketing hype and increasing lead sales
Lead is a toxic element, removed from out water sources for a reason and replaced with copper, the term mad as a hatter. Leave it to the experts who know everything about **** all is my advice then in 100 years somebody can say, we told you so
The environment is everything
People burry their heads in the sand. It's cool to drop a lead and a “must have” thing to do due to marketing hype and increasing lead sales
Lead is a toxic element, removed from out water sources for a reason and replaced with copper, the term mad as a hatter. Leave it to the experts who know everything about **** all is my advice then in 100 years somebody can say, we told you so
The environment is everything
In reply to Post #12
Well said
Fashionable for sheep
Well said
Fashionable for sheep
In reply to Post #1
I just find it ironic that anglers are so anal when it comes to fish care (rightly so) with massive unhooking mats, wound treatments and best practices etc ..yet don't think twice about dumping their leads in the lake and what it might do to the equatic environment in years to come.
I just find it ironic that anglers are so anal when it comes to fish care (rightly so) with massive unhooking mats, wound treatments and best practices etc ..yet don't think twice about dumping their leads in the lake and what it might do to the equatic environment in years to come.
In reply to Post #15
I can guarantee a vast percentage of us anglers fish waters where there is absolutely no need to drop off the lead , very weedy venues maybe ..if you are unable to play fish with lead attached you maybe shouldn't be carp fishing . Simple as that. It's a market driven exercise to sell leads at lord knows how much.......
I've got some small leads I've had for years , too tight to drop em off 😂😂😂😂
I can guarantee a vast percentage of us anglers fish waters where there is absolutely no need to drop off the lead , very weedy venues maybe ..if you are unable to play fish with lead attached you maybe shouldn't be carp fishing . Simple as that. It's a market driven exercise to sell leads at lord knows how much.......
I've got some small leads I've had for years , too tight to drop em off 😂😂😂😂
In reply to Post #16
Naaa, you have to use 3oz minimum and a bolt rig, it's the only way to hook a carp successfully but now they are getting wiser you also need hand sharpened hooks because decades of research in manufacturing technology and chenical sharpening just isn't good enough even when used with the latest ultimate rig. Yada Yada Yada.
Naaa, you have to use 3oz minimum and a bolt rig, it's the only way to hook a carp successfully but now they are getting wiser you also need hand sharpened hooks because decades of research in manufacturing technology and chenical sharpening just isn't good enough even when used with the latest ultimate rig. Yada Yada Yada.
Baffles me the amount of people dropping leads on lakes with not a snag or bit of weed in sight. Just doing what vanny fairbrass tells them to on thinking tackle Half don't have a clue in what circumstances they need to ditch the lead
Half don't have a clue in what circumstances they need to ditch the lead
In reply to Post #18
I fish for 1 bite every 4 years on a lake so densely weeded the deer walk across it in mid February..
I tie my leads on with pva.. can get bloody expensive feeling for a good drop mind
I fish for 1 bite every 4 years on a lake so densely weeded the deer walk across it in mid February..
I tie my leads on with pva.. can get bloody expensive feeling for a good drop mind
In reply to Post #12
I'd agree but in the past we generally used longer hooklengths. Some people use very short stiff links, which could in theory lead to the lead banging on the fishes head. Personally I wouldn't fish like that but some people do.
I'd agree but in the past we generally used longer hooklengths. Some people use very short stiff links, which could in theory lead to the lead banging on the fishes head. Personally I wouldn't fish like that but some people do.
In reply to Post #20
All part of the same marketing strategy maybe?
Or am I too cynical?
All part of the same marketing strategy maybe?
Or am I too cynical?
In reply to Post #21
There's not many more cynical than me. Trouble is critical analytical thinking is not taught in schools. Few people bother to develop it on their own. Occam's razor, and follow the money should be at the forefront of people's minds.
There's not many more cynical than me. Trouble is critical analytical thinking is not taught in schools. Few people bother to develop it on their own. Occam's razor, and follow the money should be at the forefront of people's minds.
In reply to Post #18
No need to drop the lead all of the time it's just people never think do they a lot of so called anglers(I call them summer anglers)because they will be gone by end of September when temperatures start to drop and they can't have their picnics with the wife and kids all a lot of new comers are are sheep they follow what's happening on social media or in news,fish one way which is pellet,pva bag and boilie and lead clip and cast out that's it, no thinking outside the box
No need to drop the lead all of the time it's just people never think do they a lot of so called anglers(I call them summer anglers)because they will be gone by end of September when temperatures start to drop and they can't have their picnics with the wife and kids all a lot of new comers are are sheep they follow what's happening on social media or in news,fish one way which is pellet,pva bag and boilie and lead clip and cast out that's it, no thinking outside the box
I drop the lead every time regardless of whether the situation dictates that I should or not. The reason is simple really, I'm incredibly wealthy and I like people to know it. I even shout "THERE GOES ANOTHER LEAD" every time I reel in so people definitely know.
In reply to Post #24
Crackers
Crackers
Personally I blame the DVD,s
In reply to Post #24
I've got considerably less leads than yow
I've got considerably less leads than yow
People need to test their lead settup more, the basic lead clip and distance lead is is inherently flawed as it affords a lot of movement of the bait and hook before the fish feels the weight of the lead and even then it is tightening the hook link to the swivel which is at the top of the lead with the bulk of the weight at the bottom. The in-line pear has the bulk of the weight at the point the hook link joins it which is why I always use an online when possible.
In reply to Post #28
I also prefer an inline for this reason, find that with leadclips or helicopters I tend to get slow and twitchy bites Vs screamers with an inline. I suppose this could just be the bite developing and I may just miss this with the inline due to the lack of line movement prior to engaging the lead.
In terms of hooking properties I feel that the inline is best, then lead lip and helicopter last. However obviously this doesn't factor on presentation and getting the take initially.
I also prefer an inline for this reason, find that with leadclips or helicopters I tend to get slow and twitchy bites Vs screamers with an inline. I suppose this could just be the bite developing and I may just miss this with the inline due to the lack of line movement prior to engaging the lead.
In terms of hooking properties I feel that the inline is best, then lead lip and helicopter last. However obviously this doesn't factor on presentation and getting the take initially.
In reply to Post #29
Dunno why more manufacturers don't just swop the swivel end on flat pears / distance leads etc like the Aptus bullet leads . . .
Dunno why more manufacturers don't just swop the swivel end on flat pears / distance leads etc like the Aptus bullet leads . . .
In reply to Post #28
A flawed set up that has literally caught millions of fish??
A flawed set up that has literally caught millions of fish??
In reply to Post #31
In the massive majority of cases there is absolutely NO NEED to drop the lead.
The lead clip was invented as a way to remove the lead at the end of a trip, and leave the rods otherwise set up, NOT as a way to drop the lead.
However careful, clever or irresponsible marketing...
Invent an item of tackle, or reinvent it. A quick link on a John Roberts bead, run ring does the same.
A very good point has been made in this thread, inline leads, give the best hooking potential, and are far superior to lead clips, (and helicopter setups). Inlines also do not trap weed, they will come through smoothly, whereas a lead clip can catch up.
The lead clip was invented as a way to remove the lead at the end of a trip, and leave the rods otherwise set up, NOT as a way to drop the lead.
However careful, clever or irresponsible marketing...
Invent an item of tackle, or reinvent it. A quick link on a John Roberts bead, run ring does the same.
A very good point has been made in this thread, inline leads, give the best hooking potential, and are far superior to lead clips, (and helicopter setups). Inlines also do not trap weed, they will come through smoothly, whereas a lead clip can catch up.
In reply to Post #31
No denying it's caught a lot of fish but look at the mechanics of it as pointed out. It's massively popular because it works but not as well as an in-line, add in the media telling everyone you have to drop the lead and the fact its simple to use and carp anglers in general being lazy.
No denying it's caught a lot of fish but look at the mechanics of it as pointed out. It's massively popular because it works but not as well as an in-line, add in the media telling everyone you have to drop the lead and the fact its simple to use and carp anglers in general being lazy.
In reply to Post #33
I've also seen inlines jammed up with weed and clog the tip ring. There isn't a perfect set up for weed it's up to the angler to fish a responsible as possible.
I've also seen inlines jammed up with weed and clog the tip ring. There isn't a perfect set up for weed it's up to the angler to fish a responsible as possible.
In reply to Post #33
Didn't korda do a test in their underwater 2 that saw a diver kite an in-line lead to the near margin without a single bleep on the alarm or movement on the bobbin?
All lead arrangements offer something different. Inlines for example are pants to fish in to silt. Running rigs offer the best bite indication, helis for chod, silt or weed, etc.
Didn't korda do a test in their underwater 2 that saw a diver kite an in-line lead to the near margin without a single bleep on the alarm or movement on the bobbin?
All lead arrangements offer something different. Inlines for example are pants to fish in to silt. Running rigs offer the best bite indication, helis for chod, silt or weed, etc.
In reply to Post #33
An line lead doesn't collect silk weed? That's simply not true Nick.
An line lead doesn't collect silk weed? That's simply not true Nick.
In reply to Post #36
I remember seeing a similar video but im not sure it was by Korda, anyway, the best indication was from a running inline set up. Lead stays where it is and the fish takes line, the carp cant use the lead to shake the hook out either and you get instant feedback on the buzzer. Yet you never see anyone using these set ups .....well.......you dont see the the mainstream lot using them anyways. 😉
I remember seeing a similar video but im not sure it was by Korda, anyway, the best indication was from a running inline set up. Lead stays where it is and the fish takes line, the carp cant use the lead to shake the hook out either and you get instant feedback on the buzzer. Yet you never see anyone using these set ups .....well.......you dont see the the mainstream lot using them anyways. 😉
In reply to Post #38
I only ever use a very basic running lead. Granted I'm not fishing Cassien for 90 lb monsters, but I've always used the simplest set up and I do as well as anyone else on the waters I fish.
And I save a lot of money on leads because I am not incredibly wealthy with a need to show it off
I only ever use a very basic running lead. Granted I'm not fishing Cassien for 90 lb monsters, but I've always used the simplest set up and I do as well as anyone else on the waters I fish.
And I save a lot of money on leads because I am not incredibly wealthy with a need to show it off
In reply to Post #36
I Didn't korda do a test in their underwater 2 that saw a diver kite an in-line lead to the near margin without a single bleep on the alarm or movement on the bobbin?
Nothing new at all that, I know a very good angler who told me that years ago, went for the margins, not a single bleep, then went then for an island, way to his LHS side then he landed it
Always original, or is it scrapping the barrel now ffs
Simple really ain't it, sign up a TOP a angler who has the respect (DP) and the rest you could say is history...
I Didn't korda do a test in their underwater 2 that saw a diver kite an in-line lead to the near margin without a single bleep on the alarm or movement on the bobbin?
Nothing new at all that, I know a very good angler who told me that years ago, went for the margins, not a single bleep, then went then for an island, way to his LHS side then he landed it
Always original, or is it scrapping the barrel now ffs
Simple really ain't it, sign up a TOP a angler who has the respect (DP) and the rest you could say is history...
In reply to Post #41
There was this bloke in Essex who seamed to have lead designs 10 years before you see them in the shops, he was a friend of a friend, we go round his house he shows us stuff light years ahead
There was this bloke in Essex who seamed to have lead designs 10 years before you see them in the shops, he was a friend of a friend, we go round his house he shows us stuff light years ahead
In reply to Post #7
Tried to give that some thought once and gave up people using single leads from 4oz to 12oz mostly the upper range then you have those double leading then the amount of boats that have tipped over and sent a 12 volt 110ah lead acid battery to the depths and I've witnessed a few do that so who knows how many times that has happened.
A very conservative estimate but say potentially twenty of the twenty four anglers a week are dropping 4 x 12oz leads each (one a rod) over 51 weeks that alone is 4'080 x 12 ounce leads which is just under 1400 kilo, then consider some anglers will drop 4 leads in an hour when bream are active.
When you put that into context which in my opinion is way way way way way under what is being dropped then account for year in year out anglers have been visiting Rainbow from early mid 90's but then say from about 2000 when Rainbow became very popular you could say it has seen a minimum of 20/22 anglers a week on average I've been on when theres been three anglers in a swim.
How many six yard skips would you have filled by now? makes the mind boggle yet you try finding a lead in there you'd be hard pushed, theres a few very popular areas like the golden bush spot in peg 18 as an example you might find a few.
Tried to give that some thought once and gave up people using single leads from 4oz to 12oz mostly the upper range then you have those double leading then the amount of boats that have tipped over and sent a 12 volt 110ah lead acid battery to the depths and I've witnessed a few do that so who knows how many times that has happened.
A very conservative estimate but say potentially twenty of the twenty four anglers a week are dropping 4 x 12oz leads each (one a rod) over 51 weeks that alone is 4'080 x 12 ounce leads which is just under 1400 kilo, then consider some anglers will drop 4 leads in an hour when bream are active.
When you put that into context which in my opinion is way way way way way under what is being dropped then account for year in year out anglers have been visiting Rainbow from early mid 90's but then say from about 2000 when Rainbow became very popular you could say it has seen a minimum of 20/22 anglers a week on average I've been on when theres been three anglers in a swim.
How many six yard skips would you have filled by now? makes the mind boggle yet you try finding a lead in there you'd be hard pushed, theres a few very popular areas like the golden bush spot in peg 18 as an example you might find a few.
Rob Hughes does a fair bit of diving and he says he very rarely finds any leads.
I don't agree with dropping leads for the sake of it but, as far as leads being toxic aren't the vast majority plastic coated or painted. There's no comparison to lead pipes which have running water through them. Plastic coated leads on the lakebed covered in silt are very unlikely to cause any harm to the water quality.
I don't agree with dropping leads for the sake of it but, as far as leads being toxic aren't the vast majority plastic coated or painted. There's no comparison to lead pipes which have running water through them. Plastic coated leads on the lakebed covered in silt are very unlikely to cause any harm to the water quality.
In reply to Post #45
There is a lead fairy
There is a lead fairy
In reply to Post #1
Was watching some fellas pull a car engine out of a lake with magnets on YT, the magnets nowadays are proper things and super powerfull.
Put some metal in the leads somewhere and they can be retrieved, wouldnt mind doing a bit of that to be honest messing about.
If it was my lake i would not be leaving all that lead down there, no way.
The type of fishing we do you must drop the lead or you aint getting the fish in, just aint happening so drop the leads it is but im never comfy with it, just from a point of leaving all that in lakes and the water table.
Was watching some fellas pull a car engine out of a lake with magnets on YT, the magnets nowadays are proper things and super powerfull.
Put some metal in the leads somewhere and they can be retrieved, wouldnt mind doing a bit of that to be honest messing about.
If it was my lake i would not be leaving all that lead down there, no way.
The type of fishing we do you must drop the lead or you aint getting the fish in, just aint happening so drop the leads it is but im never comfy with it, just from a point of leaving all that in lakes and the water table.
In reply to Post #47
Put some metal in the leads somewhere and they can be retrieved, wouldnt mind doing a bit of that to be honest messing about.
A good idea, but would need to be regulated by the owners, imagine someone turning up next to you and flicking a magnet out and all of a sudden you get a run
One day a year in winter you just magnet fish the lake and get the leads out, either sell them or see if people want to reclaim them. Not sure why that couldnt happen, youd bring in any other old metalwork that's down there too I guess.
Put some metal in the leads somewhere and they can be retrieved, wouldnt mind doing a bit of that to be honest messing about.
A good idea, but would need to be regulated by the owners, imagine someone turning up next to you and flicking a magnet out and all of a sudden you get a run
One day a year in winter you just magnet fish the lake and get the leads out, either sell them or see if people want to reclaim them. Not sure why that couldnt happen, youd bring in any other old metalwork that's down there too I guess.
In reply to Post #48
Perfect.
Shut the lake for a week or 2, some general maintenance to the pegs and grounds, give the fish a rest and get your leads out.
Perfect.
Shut the lake for a week or 2, some general maintenance to the pegs and grounds, give the fish a rest and get your leads out.
So what about the lake owners who advocate the use of dropping leads incase the fish gets weeded up or tethered
No run rigs at all so drop off in lines or lead clips with the tail rubber only just pushed on
No run rigs at all so drop off in lines or lead clips with the tail rubber only just pushed on
In reply to Post #50
you can set up running rigs and helis to drop off
you can set up running rigs and helis to drop off
In reply to Post #51
You can yeah. Using a double ringed swivel and feeding the line / leader over the lead
You can yeah. Using a double ringed swivel and feeding the line / leader over the lead
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