For those that haven't seen or heard about this yet, here's a link... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58322561
In reply to Post #1
I wouldn't be too concerned. The otters will soon eat them
I wouldn't be too concerned. The otters will soon eat them
In reply to Post #1
Who doesn't like a bit of beaver?
Who doesn't like a bit of beaver?
In reply to Post #1
I have seen the damage they do ...its not pretty..
I have caught two beaver rewilders on our private land ,searching for suitable areas to let them go..its the proposed licensing to remove the dams which will cause problems,have seen three dams ..
They don't eat fish,however the environmental damage and eco babble baggage and media lies and spin is untrue,they do not benefit the countryside..ask the Scottish river keepers,.
Rewilders are trying to play god ,yet again in a time zone different in everyway from years ago..same individuals who ruined the lakes and rivers are involved,known about this for a long time..
I have seen the damage they do ...its not pretty..
I have caught two beaver rewilders on our private land ,searching for suitable areas to let them go..its the proposed licensing to remove the dams which will cause problems,have seen three dams ..
They don't eat fish,however the environmental damage and eco babble baggage and media lies and spin is untrue,they do not benefit the countryside..ask the Scottish river keepers,.
Rewilders are trying to play god ,yet again in a time zone different in everyway from years ago..same individuals who ruined the lakes and rivers are involved,known about this for a long time..
There were 2 people on the radio a while back. One a scottish beaver supporter explaining what a nightmare it had been and how they were overpopulated now and an issue.
And someone from the cotswolds or somehwere who wanted to re wild them.... That wanted to take some of the excess beavers from scotland. Absolutely nuts.
Funnily though, there was a huge story when beavers were spotted on the river Otter, and once it hit the news they said they had just been released.... They had been there decades.
And someone from the cotswolds or somehwere who wanted to re wild them.... That wanted to take some of the excess beavers from scotland. Absolutely nuts.
Funnily though, there was a huge story when beavers were spotted on the river Otter, and once it hit the news they said they had just been released.... They had been there decades.
From what I have learnt so far is when they scat ,it looks like sawdust and it mainly defecates in the water so unlike lutra lutra spraint,which are easily found on prominent points of the apex preds area,Beaver is harder to find,scat wise..
However,the trail of chewed,and damaged bankside vegetation was easy to spot ,plus the dams it made..
They people I spoke to say it escaped,however I am now led to believe two ,a mating pair were released on the Devon,Cornwall border on purpose..
Tamar catchment area,ring any bells,same source as the otter ,lettings go ...the other main source,despite their procrastination,have ceased trading and the remaining otters dissipated to other captive places..
However,the trail of chewed,and damaged bankside vegetation was easy to spot ,plus the dams it made..
They people I spoke to say it escaped,however I am now led to believe two ,a mating pair were released on the Devon,Cornwall border on purpose..
Tamar catchment area,ring any bells,same source as the otter ,lettings go ...the other main source,despite their procrastination,have ceased trading and the remaining otters dissipated to other captive places..
If you want to look at the consultation docs
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-consultation-launched-on-the-reintroduction-of-beavers-in-england
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-consultation-launched-on-the-reintroduction-of-beavers-in-england
They would be fun to have in a lake you fish.
I recall being on exercise in Canada in the 80's near a lake and all you could hear on a night was Beavers smacking the water with their tails and its one hell of a splash you hear, Sounds like someone chucking a kitchen sink full of concrete into pond. They do it as a danger signal to others and as a warning to any other Beavers encroaching into there territory.
You would not get any sleep all night as you would think a 50+ has just leapt in pond every now and then.
I recall being on exercise in Canada in the 80's near a lake and all you could hear on a night was Beavers smacking the water with their tails and its one hell of a splash you hear, Sounds like someone chucking a kitchen sink full of concrete into pond. They do it as a danger signal to others and as a warning to any other Beavers encroaching into there territory.
You would not get any sleep all night as you would think a 50+ has just leapt in pond every now and then.
DP
Carp anglers complaining about a native species that was hunted to extinction.
Think of the benefits...
the lakes will be fuller and bigger
The otter fences will keep the fish in but they may be beyond casting range
Better buy a bait boat...
the lakes will be fuller and bigger
The otter fences will keep the fish in but they may be beyond casting range
Better buy a bait boat...
In reply to Post #2
Whatever next, wolves
Whatever next, wolves
In reply to Post #12
Wolves are an amazing animal. I'm all for the reintroduction of Wolves...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q
Wolves are an amazing animal. I'm all for the reintroduction of Wolves...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q
In reply to Post #10
It is a little ironic. I think the farmers are more worried on this one to be fair.
Adams response when he saw the news...?
Dam!
It is a little ironic. I think the farmers are more worried on this one to be fair.
Adams response when he saw the news...?
Dam!
In reply to Post #15
We have them in nearly all our NC waters.
At night, they will slap their tails..hard. Think it's to show annoyance I am there with them😁
Agree you would not confuse that with a carp, Toronto, it's a great deal louder!
We have them in nearly all our NC waters.
At night, they will slap their tails..hard. Think it's to show annoyance I am there with them😁
Agree you would not confuse that with a carp, Toronto, it's a great deal louder!
In reply to Post #1
I fished a syndicate lake in the 90's through early 00's that the bloody things in an adjacent lake and the bloody things were always escaping and coming onto the lake I fished and they were a bloody nightmare for destroying trees and sticking bits of them into the bottom of the lake for some reason.
I woke up feeling uneasy during the night on one occasion and one of them was sat about 18" from my head looking at me, bloody terrifying !
These particular Beavers went onto " escape " completely and went onto populate a local river where they are to this day, ironically enough, in the River Otter !
I fished a syndicate lake in the 90's through early 00's that the bloody things in an adjacent lake and the bloody things were always escaping and coming onto the lake I fished and they were a bloody nightmare for destroying trees and sticking bits of them into the bottom of the lake for some reason.
I woke up feeling uneasy during the night on one occasion and one of them was sat about 18" from my head looking at me, bloody terrifying !
These particular Beavers went onto " escape " completely and went onto populate a local river where they are to this day, ironically enough, in the River Otter !
In reply to Post #1
How about Kodiak bears too... With an appetite for Chris Packham.
How about Kodiak bears too... With an appetite for Chris Packham.
In reply to Post #13
We don't want Wolves. I spent a night in Canada sat in a trench on exercise surrounded by them howling away with my hair standing on end. Later on next day some of the lads asked me if I had seen them as they was almost on top of me. I just said no way was I sticking my head up and let them see me. If they wanted me, they would have to jump into my trench and face my bayonet and rifle butt.
Rats are a pain, but at least they only want to eat my dinner or bait and not me.
We don't want Wolves. I spent a night in Canada sat in a trench on exercise surrounded by them howling away with my hair standing on end. Later on next day some of the lads asked me if I had seen them as they was almost on top of me. I just said no way was I sticking my head up and let them see me. If they wanted me, they would have to jump into my trench and face my bayonet and rifle butt.
Rats are a pain, but at least they only want to eat my dinner or bait and not me.
In reply to Post #3
Elton John.
Elton John.
In reply to Post #20
Will otters go onto a water where there are beavers?
Will otters go onto a water where there are beavers?
In reply to Post #19
You're just being alarmist due to an ingrained fear of the Wolf. Attacks by wolves are extremely rare. If you come across them, their natural instinct is to run away from humans.
People in remote places like in Italy and Romania have lived quite happily side by side for centuries, other than the occasional angry farmer loosing a sheep. They're certainly not the indiscriminate killers they're made out to be that's for sure.
I'd take a wolf over an otter any day of the week. As for beavers being introduced again, I don't know, maybe it'll be a good thing and rebalance some of the rivers?
You're just being alarmist due to an ingrained fear of the Wolf. Attacks by wolves are extremely rare. If you come across them, their natural instinct is to run away from humans.
People in remote places like in Italy and Romania have lived quite happily side by side for centuries, other than the occasional angry farmer loosing a sheep. They're certainly not the indiscriminate killers they're made out to be that's for sure.
I'd take a wolf over an otter any day of the week. As for beavers being introduced again, I don't know, maybe it'll be a good thing and rebalance some of the rivers?
I fished a lake in France in the middle of some woods early hours was woken by what sounded like a cow or horse crashing thru the woods behind me branches snapping scared me to be honest I was the only one on the lake and so thought got to see what the hell it is as I pushed my way thru the dense bushes and woods I caught sight of the biggest Boar I had ever seen ! I was properly scared now heard these things can charge you and break bones ! so ran back grabbed my stove and used it to start a fire with lots of branches
I sat next to it all night with a bank stick next morning an old French guy walked round and despite his lack of english and my lack of French managed to tell him about the boar he got very excited and made the shooting sign next evening just after dark I heard gunfire no more boar
I sat next to it all night with a bank stick next morning an old French guy walked round and despite his lack of english and my lack of French managed to tell him about the boar he got very excited and made the shooting sign next evening just after dark I heard gunfire no more boar
I watch a guy on YouTube sometimes, called Tenkara addict,he fishes these Beaver pools,they don't seem to hold a lot of fish though..
People have to remember one thing..
This country ,is a lot different now ,houses,being built in numbers,are these creatures sustainable,..?
The other issue is damage ,I've seen at first hand the damage just one can do to a pristine valley,I know this as I visit it every day..
Legislation I understand is being done to protect the animal and the dams,now if a beaver dams below your lake ,property etc,the river in flood ,could potentially cause massive issues..you might not be allowed to move said Beaver or dam by law,or if you was it could take a long time to process the order..
Now the Scots, don't want them,and I understanded,sorry Toronto carp that Canadians have a real issue with them..
Like everything,rewilders paint only one side of the canvas,you won't hear about the reality..!
I asked this rewilder,if that Beaver dams the valley,what about the established fishery ,his words...we will build a tunnel..lol
Roses around the porch ,mindset..
People have to remember one thing..
This country ,is a lot different now ,houses,being built in numbers,are these creatures sustainable,..?
The other issue is damage ,I've seen at first hand the damage just one can do to a pristine valley,I know this as I visit it every day..
Legislation I understand is being done to protect the animal and the dams,now if a beaver dams below your lake ,property etc,the river in flood ,could potentially cause massive issues..you might not be allowed to move said Beaver or dam by law,or if you was it could take a long time to process the order..
Now the Scots, don't want them,and I understanded,sorry Toronto carp that Canadians have a real issue with them..
Like everything,rewilders paint only one side of the canvas,you won't hear about the reality..!
I asked this rewilder,if that Beaver dams the valley,what about the established fishery ,his words...we will build a tunnel..lol
Roses around the porch ,mindset..
In reply to Post #24
The answer is a catchment approach with the rivers as always. I would argue in the upper catchment dams and ponds created by beavers should decrease flash flooding lower in the catchment. It is also well documented now that having beavers in the catchment can have benefits for water quality and does increase the plant and invertebrate diversity in the habitats that they create (such as pools and ponds) or manipulate such as woodland. In this sense it can only be a good thing. Just different from what we know.
Like all protected species there will be a licencing process for beavers. You will be able to remove them if you can demonstrate there is no alternative. There obviously needs to be work on how we integrate mass biodiversity recovery within the existing agricultural landscape, but this will be the case regardless, whether it's a beaver, tree planting etc etc its needs to go somewhere and it's normally at a cost to agricultural land. It's interesting that thee NFU are largely on board with this approach as well.
I think Natural England will regulate this one closely.
The facts are we need to do something as the current outlook is not good.
The answer is a catchment approach with the rivers as always. I would argue in the upper catchment dams and ponds created by beavers should decrease flash flooding lower in the catchment. It is also well documented now that having beavers in the catchment can have benefits for water quality and does increase the plant and invertebrate diversity in the habitats that they create (such as pools and ponds) or manipulate such as woodland. In this sense it can only be a good thing. Just different from what we know.
Like all protected species there will be a licencing process for beavers. You will be able to remove them if you can demonstrate there is no alternative. There obviously needs to be work on how we integrate mass biodiversity recovery within the existing agricultural landscape, but this will be the case regardless, whether it's a beaver, tree planting etc etc its needs to go somewhere and it's normally at a cost to agricultural land. It's interesting that thee NFU are largely on board with this approach as well.
I think Natural England will regulate this one closely.
The facts are we need to do something as the current outlook is not good.
In reply to Post #25
Good info thanks..
Another issue I'd like to highlight is eco tourism,now we don't want people traipsing all over private land,leaving gates open and damaging crops,and being where they should not ie private land..agricultural land etc..just to see a creature that's been reintroduced..
Like I said,two prominent ,high profile individuals were found by myself on a stretch of river,totally uninvited,not wanted,this is not right..sadly,no apology was forth coming,just the attitude of God given right to walk on someone else's land without permission..
I have found that rewilding is someone else's dream,and that in turn becomes a lot of peoples problem in the future..
I have seen this beforehand,it's potentially OTTER MK 2..,vi's a vi's legislation on the side of rewilding.....I have done lots of research on this,and all the clever buzz words and eco babble is presented..
I'm not convinced,like I mentioned,in Scotland they have a massive problem with them doing damage..its not a fable it's a truth...
Time will tell if once again the rewilding community...get it all wrong,like they seem to do with alarming regularity..
We will see..
Good info thanks..
Another issue I'd like to highlight is eco tourism,now we don't want people traipsing all over private land,leaving gates open and damaging crops,and being where they should not ie private land..agricultural land etc..just to see a creature that's been reintroduced..
Like I said,two prominent ,high profile individuals were found by myself on a stretch of river,totally uninvited,not wanted,this is not right..sadly,no apology was forth coming,just the attitude of God given right to walk on someone else's land without permission..
I have found that rewilding is someone else's dream,and that in turn becomes a lot of peoples problem in the future..
I have seen this beforehand,it's potentially OTTER MK 2..,vi's a vi's legislation on the side of rewilding.....I have done lots of research on this,and all the clever buzz words and eco babble is presented..
I'm not convinced,like I mentioned,in Scotland they have a massive problem with them doing damage..its not a fable it's a truth...
Time will tell if once again the rewilding community...get it all wrong,like they seem to do with alarming regularity..
We will see..
In reply to Post #22
You're right, the lake I fish regularly is in an area where there are wolves.
Wolves don't get close to humans they are scared about us and we aren't preys for them.
They have a lot of wild animals to choose from than to hunt for humans.
I would like to spot one, up to now it isn't happened, I only heard it howling in the distance few times during the night. Only one time I'm quite sure one of them is gotten pretty close, during the night the water level was dropped a while and, in the morning, over the fresh silt there were some paw prints very close to a rod.
I didn't heard nothing even if I was under a brolly without the front.
Others wild animals very rarely get close to humans, it's not simple to see a wild boar, roe deer
are the simplest to spot and the bellow of the deer is the most exciting experience to be into the wilderness during the night.
You're right, the lake I fish regularly is in an area where there are wolves.
Wolves don't get close to humans they are scared about us and we aren't preys for them.
They have a lot of wild animals to choose from than to hunt for humans.
I would like to spot one, up to now it isn't happened, I only heard it howling in the distance few times during the night. Only one time I'm quite sure one of them is gotten pretty close, during the night the water level was dropped a while and, in the morning, over the fresh silt there were some paw prints very close to a rod.
I didn't heard nothing even if I was under a brolly without the front.
Others wild animals very rarely get close to humans, it's not simple to see a wild boar, roe deer
are the simplest to spot and the bellow of the deer is the most exciting experience to be into the wilderness during the night.
In reply to Post #26
Wandle - as we have discussed before - we have differing opinions on rewilding. However, keen to understand what your view (as a resident of the SW who will be witnessing it first hand) is on the ever expanding growing of maize, which clearly damages the environment, especially rivers, far more than a few beavers ever will?
Wandle - as we have discussed before - we have differing opinions on rewilding. However, keen to understand what your view (as a resident of the SW who will be witnessing it first hand) is on the ever expanding growing of maize, which clearly damages the environment, especially rivers, far more than a few beavers ever will?
In reply to Post #28
Funky I can't give an opinion on Maize as I don't know enough to give an opinion..but,I do know a lot of fields have gone maize,one I noticed had a lovely little copse..the farmer,trashed that lovely little safe haven..such a shame to see it ruined..
That's all I know about it..sorry..
Maybe post it up,let others know..I only write about what I see or experience..personally..
Funky I can't give an opinion on Maize as I don't know enough to give an opinion..but,I do know a lot of fields have gone maize,one I noticed had a lovely little copse..the farmer,trashed that lovely little safe haven..such a shame to see it ruined..
That's all I know about it..sorry..
Maybe post it up,let others know..I only write about what I see or experience..personally..
In reply to Post #30
Toronto, maybe I have misunderstood you,but,I saw on YouTube a film showing the opposite of what your saying,I've no reason to disbelieve you however,this film and don't ask me what it waa called as I wouldn't know ..are saying there are problems with damage from them,....just as what the Scottish river keepers are saying..and I've no reason not to disbelieve them as its well known the beaver has caused immense riverside damage..and they are moving them to other parts of the UK..
Similar story to the Isle of Skye movements ,otters,this never happened of course...
Personally, I was shocked at the damage just one has done in such a short window..but that's my own observation, not on YouTube etc..
Toronto, maybe I have misunderstood you,but,I saw on YouTube a film showing the opposite of what your saying,I've no reason to disbelieve you however,this film and don't ask me what it waa called as I wouldn't know ..are saying there are problems with damage from them,....just as what the Scottish river keepers are saying..and I've no reason not to disbelieve them as its well known the beaver has caused immense riverside damage..and they are moving them to other parts of the UK..
Similar story to the Isle of Skye movements ,otters,this never happened of course...
Personally, I was shocked at the damage just one has done in such a short window..but that's my own observation, not on YouTube etc..
In reply to Post #31
Ha Ha. The beavers are coming and when they do they will be here to stay.
Ha Ha. The beavers are coming and when they do they will be here to stay.
In reply to Post #32
Watch out for beaver fever 😜 - it's actually real and is the equivalent of leptospirosis.... It'll hospitalise you!
Watch out for beaver fever 😜 - it's actually real and is the equivalent of leptospirosis.... It'll hospitalise you!
In reply to Post #33
I thought a shot of penicillin in your backside cured "Beaver Fever"?
I thought a shot of penicillin in your backside cured "Beaver Fever"?
In reply to Post #34
Quite possibly, if they know what it is you're suffering from. Not one our health service is very aware of - that's the main reason.
Quite possibly, if they know what it is you're suffering from. Not one our health service is very aware of - that's the main reason.
In reply to Post #32
Has the Commodore got to you ,...ha ha,...!!
Wait til people start to lose access to their favourite stretch of water when one of these creatures mysteriously appear ..laws and legislation will soon sharpen peoples love for them then.
I think peoples perceptions of the beaver will change then,even more so when the dams cause property damage..etc.
It's a different world now,not 450 ,500 years ago when they were in evidence..
Time will tell...whatever next Henk cattle roaming free,calling for the motherland...lol
Has the Commodore got to you ,...ha ha,...!!
Wait til people start to lose access to their favourite stretch of water when one of these creatures mysteriously appear ..laws and legislation will soon sharpen peoples love for them then.
I think peoples perceptions of the beaver will change then,even more so when the dams cause property damage..etc.
It's a different world now,not 450 ,500 years ago when they were in evidence..
Time will tell...whatever next Henk cattle roaming free,calling for the motherland...lol
In reply to Post #36
I think you are correct, this should be where the AT should step up and show a bit of balls, and fight the issue from the start, time will tell I suppose
I think you are correct, this should be where the AT should step up and show a bit of balls, and fight the issue from the start, time will tell I suppose
In reply to Post #37
Yep...
All the gobbledegook from the various do gooders hide the facts,dressing it up to be the second coming of beaverjesus..
Sadly..
A lot of people are going to be very angry when uber hamster,rocks up in a cage from Bavaria or Scotland via a white van,following a blaze of media publicity,lol...then they can't fish their little piece of heaven any more..
I sussed it months ago..
People should well remember,when I joined this forum,I got vilified,rude pms you name it,..I told the angling community what was going on,...re the otter...I tried to help,pass on my knowledge ...no one believed me..
All based on seeing,photographs, collation,speaking and learning, 30 years !!
The rest is history...I've done my research,months ,years ago,
You have all been warned..
Yep...
All the gobbledegook from the various do gooders hide the facts,dressing it up to be the second coming of beaverjesus..
Sadly..
A lot of people are going to be very angry when uber hamster,rocks up in a cage from Bavaria or Scotland via a white van,following a blaze of media publicity,lol...then they can't fish their little piece of heaven any more..
I sussed it months ago..
People should well remember,when I joined this forum,I got vilified,rude pms you name it,..I told the angling community what was going on,...re the otter...I tried to help,pass on my knowledge ...no one believed me..
All based on seeing,photographs, collation,speaking and learning, 30 years !!
The rest is history...I've done my research,months ,years ago,
You have all been warned..
In reply to Post #38
One thing I've noticed with all these do-gooders is – They are never ever wrong, not once have I ever heard one say “Sorry we got it wrong” or “We have made a mistake” , even when it's blatantly obvious their actions have caused a disaster.
It will be just the same with Beavers.
One thing I've noticed with all these do-gooders is – They are never ever wrong, not once have I ever heard one say “Sorry we got it wrong” or “We have made a mistake” , even when it's blatantly obvious their actions have caused a disaster.
It will be just the same with Beavers.
Always fancied a Davey Crockett hat perhaps now il be able to get me one 🦫
In reply to Post #33
Hi Bob,
Beaver fever is real, but it's nothing like leptospirosis, it certainly won't be a hospital job.
Green diarrhoea for a week to 10 days shorter if medicated.
Got a mate in Canada who got it with his son through swimming near beavers
Best
Jon
Hi Bob,
Beaver fever is real, but it's nothing like leptospirosis, it certainly won't be a hospital job.
Green diarrhoea for a week to 10 days shorter if medicated.
Got a mate in Canada who got it with his son through swimming near beavers
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #41
Hi Jon, at the moment in the UK it's so unknown that they do go into hospital until someone works it out. I work in the NHS and we had one in our hospital a few months back. I can't comment on other symptoms or reasons for admission but this is as it was told to me.
Hi Jon, at the moment in the UK it's so unknown that they do go into hospital until someone works it out. I work in the NHS and we had one in our hospital a few months back. I can't comment on other symptoms or reasons for admission but this is as it was told to me.
In reply to Post #41
Beaver Fever is that the insatiable lust for Pussy 🐈⬛
Beaver Fever is that the insatiable lust for Pussy 🐈⬛
In reply to Post #42
Hi Bob,
That's interesting, maybe I'm wrong. I was under the impression it caused an intestine infection that wasn't too serious and easily fixed.
Best
Jon
Hi Bob,
That's interesting, maybe I'm wrong. I was under the impression it caused an intestine infection that wasn't too serious and easily fixed.
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #44
From what I've read and seen, beavers genuinely do much more good than harm for the environment.
From what I've read and seen, beavers genuinely do much more good than harm for the environment.
In reply to Post #45
It's hard to be outraged about the re-introduction of a species we hunted to extinction, just in case they damage the man made habitat. Really cant see it negatively affecting any carp lakes, apart from those that flood anyway, and besides - they are an imported, invasive species anyway.
It's hard to be outraged about the re-introduction of a species we hunted to extinction, just in case they damage the man made habitat. Really cant see it negatively affecting any carp lakes, apart from those that flood anyway, and besides - they are an imported, invasive species anyway.
In reply to Post #46
As long as its done with some thought.
Remember the do gooders releasing all those mink, with no idea about eco systems and the effects.
Its like releasing 150 native americans into Chicago and expecting them to just go on as they were before.
As long as its done with some thought.
Remember the do gooders releasing all those mink, with no idea about eco systems and the effects.
Its like releasing 150 native americans into Chicago and expecting them to just go on as they were before.
In reply to Post #46
The gravel pits were man made along with many reservoirs and as you say stocked with an invasive non indigenous species. Many of the naturally formed lakes have been overstocked to the detriment of other species and the lake itself.
The gravel pits were man made along with many reservoirs and as you say stocked with an invasive non indigenous species. Many of the naturally formed lakes have been overstocked to the detriment of other species and the lake itself.
The lack of beaver on the bank is one of the only negatives about fishing. Send them my way if you're not fussed, the more virile the better.
In reply to Post #36
What the Henk!
What the Henk!
looking at the pro "rewilding" groups,, why do a high percentage of them and their followers have dayglow green hair and seem confused about which toilet they should use?
There's a reserve up Scotland Lane,just outside Haslemere, Surrey.
In reply to Post #22
in europe they have the space for wolves to occupy a range that suits them, which means when they hunt in a chosen area they are a great distance from the other areas. this results in minimum sightings and disturbance overall.
Wolf packs usually hunt within a territory, which can range from 50 square miles (129 square kilometers) to over a 1,000 square miles (2,590 square kilometers).
this small island is totally unsuitable to wolves and many other species,
to be honest, there isn't room for that which is already present, indigenous or introduced.
in a few more decades it will be an expanse of concrete and tarmac, cities will join with no countryside between them,, go fishing,, often,, while its still possible.
a few cocos hoping to release wolves into the uk are the least of the worries for any future.
in europe they have the space for wolves to occupy a range that suits them, which means when they hunt in a chosen area they are a great distance from the other areas. this results in minimum sightings and disturbance overall.
Wolf packs usually hunt within a territory, which can range from 50 square miles (129 square kilometers) to over a 1,000 square miles (2,590 square kilometers).
this small island is totally unsuitable to wolves and many other species,
to be honest, there isn't room for that which is already present, indigenous or introduced.
in a few more decades it will be an expanse of concrete and tarmac, cities will join with no countryside between them,, go fishing,, often,, while its still possible.
a few cocos hoping to release wolves into the uk are the least of the worries for any future.
In reply to Post #53
No hoping about it, it's happened on a very small scale already.
No hoping about it, it's happened on a very small scale already.
They will only make so many reserves for them and the someone will get seriously ill with Beaver Fever down stream and then they wont be so cuddly then ....
In reply to Post #54
really??
should I make a space on the trophy wall?
really??
should I make a space on the trophy wall?
In reply to Post #43
no that's the catfish conservation group
no that's the catfish conservation group
In reply to Post #55
Beaver Fever,that sounds like a good night out around Hanley
Beaver Fever,that sounds like a good night out around Hanley
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